Syria Closes in on Four Months of Uprising with No End in Sight.
Posted by Joshua on Sunday, July 10th, 2011
Ambassador Ford, after coming under attack from the neo-con right for being a “propaganda tool of Assad,” — see the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin, “Ambassador Ford: ‘Eyes and ears’ or a propaganda tool for Assad?”— has secured his popularity in Washington with his trip to Hama and latest statement. Demonstrators in Damascus have pelted the embassy with rocks and tomatoes. Ford has accused the Syrian government of supporting the demonstrators and Syrian authorities have accused Ford of supporting the opposition in Hama. It is worth reminding readers again that Peter Harling’s report for ICG is worth reading in its entirety.
Many readers continue to hope for a compromise and democratic opening under President Assad’s leadership.
Opposition members who are committed to the road of revolution, argue that the notion of compromise is a delusion. Only uprooting the regime root and branch, they argue, will resolve Syria’s problems.
As Observer writes in the comment section:
The regime is deeply rotting from the inside and nothing absolutely nothing can save it.
The opening statement of today’s [dialogue] meeting is also a recognition of the fact that it is impossible to return to the status quo ante. The purpose of the meeting is not to stop the change but to control it in a way that is favorable to the Clan: the inner circle of the Assad family. The dialogue is designed to favor neither Syria, nor the larger circle of the elite that includes the business class.
It is telling that none of the key figures in the regime were present. This indicates that if the dialogue should lead to positive results, the Clan will claim ownership and attach itself to the success. If it fails, the vice president will act as the fall guy. He and the participants can assume the blame and pick up the pieces. [Both Michel Kilo and Louai Hussain, two leading opposition figures that attended the first round of opposition talks held at the Semiramis last week, are both apparently boycotting this round because they do not believe it is serious.]
May I ask if anyone knows if there were economic elites, business leaders, banking officials, and most importantly pillars of the security services present at this conference? This is important to know as it gives weight to the value of this conference.
Meanwhile, the repression if it continues, will mean one thing only and that is that this conference and these meetings are nothing more than window dressing.
The compromisers point to Bashar’s launching of a “national dialogue.” They also look hopefully at V.P. Farouq al-Sharaa’s recent statement to al-Hayat that The national dialogue is for a pluralist system in which the ballot box plays a prominent role. They argue that it does not matter whether President Assad is presently playing for time in the belief that he can crush the uprising and preserve the prerogatives of the Baath Party. What matters, they insist, is that the committees for constitution change and a democratic opening have been set in motion. This is good enough at this early stage. When Assad discovers that he cannot regain his former control over political events in Syria, he will be forced to breath greater seriousness into the reform process, which as this point promises only to give the ballot box “a prominent role” and not a “preeminent role.” They insist that revolution will bring only greater bloodshed and misery to Syria, that the country cannot withstand another revolution as it will only bring revenge and ethnic cleansing.
Some even argue that they would be satisfied with a mixed system that allows the President to survive and name a portion of the deputies to the Parliament, while others are elected by a ballot, as is the case in Jordan and was the case in Egypt. I have featured two such arguments today from Ayman Hakki and George Ajjan.
A Note from Ambassador Robert Ford, by U.S. Embassy Damascus on Sunday, July 10, 2011
….we respect the right of all Syrians – and people in all countries – to express their opinions freely and in a climate of mutual respect. We wish the Syrian government would do the same – and stop beating and shooting peaceful demonstrators. I have not seen the police assault a “mnhebak” demonstration yet. I am glad – I want all Syrians to enjoy the right to demonstrate peacefully. On July 9 a “mnhebak” group threw rocks at our embassy, causing some damage. They resorted to violence, unlike the people in Hama, who have stayed peaceful. Go look at the Ba’ath or police headquarters in Hama – no damage that I saw…..
Gov’t-organized consultative meeting for national dialogue opens to discuss crisis in Syria
DAMASCUS, July 10 (Xinhua) — The government-organized consultative meeting which aims to bring in pro- and anti-regime figures to discuss the crisis in the country opened Sunday here amid low-show from the opposition’s prominent figures….
Vice president Faruq al-Shara opened the meeting on Sunday, saying it aims at triggering “Syria’s transition towards a multi-party democratic state,” AFP reported. The reformed state is where “everyone will be equal and able to participate in the building of the nation’s future,” he said.
Aboud writes:
The massive, massive funeral of Hadi Jandi, killed on Friday in Homs. “Protestor fatigue”? This was a massive, massive turnout.
Hundreds of thousands of Syrians on Sunday raised the largest national flag in the world, 16 kilometers long and four meters wide, in Lattakia to show support for the gov.
“The Syrian Uprising” by Ayman Hakki
Most oppose the actions of the regime but are conflicted as to the best way to affect long overdue beneficial change. It is a historic fact that change is not always for the best in that part of the world, and a malevolent uprising is worse, not better, for Syria than its present corrupt authoritarian system….
Today Syrian Americans are well positioned to urge a rudderless administration to employ a carrot and stick approach to Syria, because we know that the stick alone won’t work. We must all resist asking for pressure and stopping at that. We must work diligently to secure Syria’s minorities’ interests before we even consider a plan to help empower Syria’s Sunni majority. Turkey and the West may be well suited to play this role. There may be better solutions for this thorny problem, but I can’t think of them. We’re all waiting for someone to articulate a vision that represents hope for change, a change free of reprisals and hatred. Then we’ll get behind that plan. Until such time we must resist the urge to reflexively and vengefully oppose the regime.
Syria: A Way Forward
by George Ajjan, July 02, 2011
….the turmoil that has engulfed Syria possesses a geographic and demographic profile opposite to that of Egypt – it was the urban middle class who turned out to reject the abuses of the Mubarak regime. Coptic priests said Mass in central Cairo while their middle-class Muslim neighbors stood guard. But there is certainly no communion being distributed in the poor towns where the Syrian youth has taken to the streets. By contrast, the multi-confessional middle class of Syria’s largest cities of Damascus and Aleppo has been unwilling to join the anti-government movement; rather, they have turned out at pro-regime counter-rallies, if only to show their support for stability….
Going forward, there are 3 main scenarios that can play out. First, the vicious cycle of protests and military crackdowns can continue for months on end,…. In other words, the country will die a slow and painful death with its problems only exacerbated.
In the second case, a foreign military coalition could intervene, mainly if Turkey – the political bridge between Syria and the West – concludes that the situation cannot be salvaged and gives the green light. ….
The third case is a “soft landing”, where all people of good conscience, Syrian or not, ought to place their hopes. In this scenario, the constitution would have to be amended to allow a multi-party system. Legislative elections would have to be held to give the protesters somewhere else to channel their energy – but within a year, not in some vague near-ish future to which the government’s latest lip service alludes. A true parliament would have to be created, in stark contrast to the circus of stooges and Baath Party hacks that Assad addressed when the crisis first erupted, which any clear-thinking Syrian ought to label a national embarrassment.
A reasonable compromise would be for a free, multi-party parliament to appoint a slate of ministers for those departments that directly impact the economy, e.g. Finance, Agriculture, Industry, Infrastructure, Tourism, Transportation, Energy, Education, etc. while the President would keep autocratic control of the military, security, and of course foreign policy. As such, Syrians would get stability and continuity in the areas where their President is perceived to be popular and effective, but they would have enough political freedom to begin to hold their government accountable to enact more responsive economic policies and tackle corruption.
For many seasoned observers of Syrian politics, the power sharing described above reads like a pipe dream. For others, it does not go nearly far enough. But those with “Assad must go” on their lips can spare the crocodile tears – it is a completely unrealistic proposition. Ceding control over domestic policies will be a hard enough pill for the Baath Party establishment to swallow, but it would be unthinkable for them to relinquish the military and diplomatic spheres without a fight to the death….If he can’t manage to deliver that much after 11 years, then quite frankly he’d be best described by the term he once infamously used to refer to the compliant rulers of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia: a “half-man”.
Jerusalem Post: As Arab Spring roils, hunger emerges, 2011-07-10
The Arab Spring was supposed to bring democracy, peace and prosperity. But stalemates between governments and opposition forces are paralyzing economic life, exacerbating food shortages that were already in the making due to unfavorable weather and …
Reports of widespread hunger have emerged in recent weeks in Libya and Syria. On Wednesday, Yemen was officially added to the list of food trouble spots when a United Nation mission visiting Yemen called on the international community to quickly provide humanitarian aid to the impoverished country, pushed to the verge of starvation by five months of protests and armed insurrection….
The FAO’s food price index, which covers prices of a basket of commodities, rose 1% to 234 points last month, up 39% compared with the same time last year and just below the record 238 points hit in February….
Syrians too have suffered hunger due to a drought that has plagued the country’s northeast since 2006, described by the WFP as “the worst in decades.” Mass migration from Syria’s rural agricultural areas into cities has ensued. Some one million Iraqi refugees living in Syria are the most vulnerable to food shortage, as they are not allowed to work or own land to sustain themselves.
For Syrians struggling with less food in the markets, the problem was made worse by cuts in food subsidies and frozen wages after 2004. In the weeks before unrest broke out in mid-March, the Syrian President Bashar Assad government restored some of those subsidies and raised salaries for civil servants. But with the economy paralyzed, it’s not clear the government can afford to increase aid or distribute it.
The fighting, however, has been a major cause of hunger in Syria. In mid-June, government forces loyal to Assad blocked food from reaching Syrian villages near the border with Turkey, where thousands of internally displaced refugees had gathered fleeing government violence.
“This is a starvation war they’re waging,” Jameel Saib, a local eyewitness, told CNN, adding that refugees were forced to pluck fruit from trees in order to survive….
‘Syrian security member’s son killed’ Press TV
Unknown assailants have killed the son of a member of the Syrian security forces after kidnapping him and have dismembered his body, an informed source says.
Talking to Press TV, the source added that police have launched an investigation into the incident and have arrested a suspect in relation to the killing.
“There are now two possibilities; one is that the murder was in line with the tribal killings, and the second, that it was committed by armed men who are killing and slaughtering people in Syria these days,” the source further said.
Protest singer Ibrahim Kashoush had his throat cut
“One of many grim videos to emerge from the Syrian city of Hama purported to show the body of protester Ibrahim Kashoush after his throat had been cut by the security forces,” reported the British newspaper The Guardian on 5 July 2011 at 4:41 PM.
The slogans that the demonstrating crowds in Hama have repeated again and again are from a song which was composed by the locally based singer Ibrahim Kashoush — a folklore singer who chanted traditional Aradah tunes as protest songs, adding new lyrics he wrote himself to the old wedding and celebration melodies. His body was reportedly found dumped in the Assi River on Wednesday morning.
Feature: Unrest across Syria casts shadow on soap operas
English.news.cn 2011-07-09, by Hummam Sheikh Ali
DAMASCUS, July 9 (Xinhua) — It appears that Syria’s once- flourishing soap opera industry is losing its glory and sliding into a recession after Arab television networks and satellite channels declined to buy Syrian soaps in retaliation for Syrian actors’ positions towards the country’s current political crisis.
Since the eruption of protests in Syria in mid March, Syrian actors and actresses have shown conflicting attitudes towards the events, with some of them supporting the protests while others openly backing the Syrian government and attacking the protests as aiming to undermine the country.
Syrian actors complain that they have been boycotted by Arab TV satellite channels owned by wealthy Saudis and Qataris, whose governments are now maintaining cool relations with Syria. The reason, they said, is their overt backing of the Syrian government and the reforms announced by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
Abdul-Rahaman Abu al-Qassem, a prominent Syrian actor, confirmed to Xinhua that the Syrian drama industry has been ” greatly influenced by what is happening in Syria,” noting that most producers depend on the Gulf funds in this respect.
“Syria is subject to an unprecedented attack at all political and cultural levels… We are living under a total siege,” he said.
Syria has been wracked by nearly four months of protests demanding sweeping reforms. The turmoil has badly hit all sectors in Syria, including the drama industry.
Most Arab networks were once racing to buy Syrian soaps to be screened during the Muslims’ holy month of Ramadan due to their unparalleled popularity and daring subjects. Arab and Gulf viewers, in particular, used to be reportedly glued to TV screens during Ramadan to watch Syrian series that tackle subjects like gallantry, terrorism, love and other social topics.
During past surveys, Syrian series ranked number one as the most watched among Arab viewers, and even those in foreign countries.
Najdat Anzour, a renowned Syrian director, said in a statement obtained by Xinhua that there is a Arab political decision that has been taken covertly not to buy Syrian soaps or at least to purchase them at low prices in a way that reduces the value of those works.
Anzour said there are 25 Syrian soaps ready for Ramadan, adding that some works have been postponed to the next season as outlooks for this season are gloomy….Syrian
Syrian Government Offers ICRC Wider Access in Syria
GENEVA — The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said on Friday it had stepped up its humanitarian operations in Syria, in line with a deal for unlimited access negotiated two weeks ago.
The independent aid agency previously had been able only to make limited visits to a few cities affected by the crackdown on anti-government protests, but its president Jakob Kellenberger won assurances of unconditional access, it said.
In the past week, ICRC officials have visited the southern city of Deraa — where it said the main hospital reported it had treated more than 1,500 wounded since violence began — and the northern city of Idlib and Jisr Al-Shughur, a statement said.
Risky Business: Getting information out of Syria Human Rights Watch
Syria: Secret journey around a nation in revolt finds protesters are not flagging Telegraph
From: Ambassador of Syria to the U.S.
To the Syrian-American Community: July 6, 2011
Since the onset of the events in Syria, many members of the Syrian-American community have been distraught over developments on the ground. Some have taken a hard-line stance, refusing any dialogue with the Syrian government. Others have chosen to engage with the Embassy and myself to express their candid viewpoints on how to pull Syria out of the current crisis and onto a brighter future. Many have voiced their interest in engaging with both, the members of the opposition in Syria, as well as the government. We believe this is a productive position.
As such, I would like to take this opportunity to inform the Syrian-American community that whoever believes in constructive dialogue and would like to visit Syria to participate in the National Dialogue between the government and opposition and/or intra-opposition meetings is welcome, and encouraged, to do so. Rest assured that they will be treated with the utmost courtesy and will face no obstacles entering or leaving the country.
I look forward to the Syrian-American community emerging as a robust and influential member of the National Dialogue that will help bring about a
more democratic, peaceful, and secure Syria.
Sincerely, Imad Moustapha, Ph.D.
Ambassador of Syria to the United States
Washington summoned the Syrian ambassador AFP
Imad Mustapha was called in to meet with top State Department officials “to express a number of our concerns with the reported actions of certain Syrian embassy staff in the United States. We received reports that Syrian mission personnel under ambassador Mustapha’s authority have been conducting video and photographic surveillance of people participating in peaceful demonstrations in the United States.”
Syria: Economic Overviews
2011-07-06 22:16:05.755 GMT
Summary: The regime of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, is not expected to hold on to power in its current form in the face of ongoing anti-regime protests. Its current method of repression and superficial reforms is unsustainable. Within the forecast period, sustained domestic, economic and international pressure is expected to cause a major overhaul of the current regime structure, possibly overseen by Mr Assad himself or after an internal coup against him. Relations with the West are likely to remain tense following Syria’s crackdown, and further US and EU sanctions may be imposed. Arab states are likely to remain quiet, fearing instability, but Turkey’s criticism will increase.
July 1 (Economist Intelligence Unit) — POLITICAL STABILITY: The Economist Intelligence Unit believes that the regime of Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, and his ruling Baath party will be unable to retain power in the face of ongoing anti-regime protests through its current method of heavy-handed repression and superficial reforms. Within the forecast period, sustained domestic, economic and international pressure is expected to bring about a major overhaul of the current regime structure. This could be done by Mr Assad himself; he could enact meaningful reforms to recast the regime in a more open style, satisfying a critical mass of Syrians and international critics, and eventually leading to the purging of unpopular security figures, notably his brother and regime enforcer, Maher al-Assad. However, Mr Assad appears weak in the face of the protests, and has shown no inclination to make such bold and decisive moves. Alternatively, sections of the army that are not from Mr Assad’s loyal Alawi sect, in conjunction with the merchant Sunni elite, which has been loyal until now, may decide that the president is too great a liability and stage a coup against the Assad family and the Alawi segments of the security and armed forces. A less likely possibility is that the security hardliners, led by Maher al-Assad, will launch a coup against Mr Assad themselves.
ELECTION WATCH: In a recent speech, Mr Assad announced that a new election for Syria’s parliament, the Majlis al-Shaab, would take place in August, the latest date allowed by the constitution after the previous four-year term expired in May. It is unclear whether the election will be held under the newly proposed political parties law and whether Article 8 of the constitution, which guarantees the Baath party and its allies two-thirds of the 250 seats, will be amended. Every seven years parliament proposes a presidential candidate who is then put to a referendum. Mr Assad was confirmed for his second term in 2007. If he stays in power and successfully reforms, it is likely that the nature of the presidential electoral process (the unlimited number of terms, the lack of a contest) will come under scrutiny.
INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS: Syria’s recent detente with the US and Western states has been ended by Syria’s crackdowns. Western states were initially cautious in condemning Mr Assad, but the continued repression has prompted substantial criticism. The EU has increased the number of regime figures subject to sanctions, bringing the total to 34, including Mr Assad. The US administration has expanded the existing economic sanctions on Syria, imposed by the administration of George W Bush, to include additional regime members, including the president. Facing growing isolation, Syria will rely on non-Western global allies for support, such as Russia and China, to veto any Western-led resolution condemning Syria’s actions at the UN Security Council.
POLICY TRENDS: The recent policy of gradually liberalising Syria’s centrally planned economy has stalled in the wake of the political unrest; its main architect, the deputy prime minister for economic affairs, Abdullah al-Dardari, was excluded from the new government formed in April. Mr Dardari’s successor as economy and foreign trade minister, Nidal al-Shaar, has a record that suggests he is in favour of economic reforms. owever, his initial priority will be to quell the unrest by implementing populist state-funded measures, such as reviving subsidies on fuel, although a complete dismantling of Mr Dardari’s reforms is unlikely.
ECONOMIC GROWTH: Central Bank of Syria provisional figures show that real GDP growth was 3.2% in 2010. Although the economy was boosted by increased oil production, growth in exports to Iraq and an expanding services sector, notably tourism, the continued weakness of the agricultural sector and increased food imports limited growth. The continuation of political unrest has caused us to revise down our growth forecast to 1.1% in 2011 and 3.2% in 2012, with any growth driven primarily by increased government spending and oil exports. Foreign investment is expected to drop as a result of the unrest, and the tourism sector will be hit badly. Business activity will be curtailed by disruptions caused by the protests, and the political uncertainty will lower private consumption (despite recently announced public-sector pay rises). In addition, any prolonged instability in Syria may persuade the Iraqi refugees living in Syria (estimated at between 500,000 and 1m) to return home, depressing consumption further.
INFLATION: We have revised down our forecast for inflation to 7% in 2011, as early signs show that the increase in global commodity prices and the increase in liquidity resulting from the hike in state employees’ salaries and tax cuts promised during March have not pushed prices as high as expected. Average inflation will drop to 5.5% in 2012, as commodity prices stabilise and the number of Iraqi nationals in Syria declines, lowering demand.
EXCHANGE RATES: The Syrian pound has been loosely pegged to the IMF’s special drawing rights since October 2007 and is tightly managed by the Central Bank. The authorities are unlikely to let the pound float freely, as they value exchange-rate stability. Recent unrest reportedly led to a temporary 15% depreciation of the pound against the dollar on Syria’s black market. (The black-market pound:dollar rate is usually in line with the official rate.) Concerns about the euro in 2011 will lead to a slight depreciation of the pound against the dollar, and we forecast that the official rate will average SP47.3:US$1 in 2011-12. Before the current crisis, the Central Bank had healthy foreign-exchange reserves (equivalent to about 12 months of import cover), leaving it relatively well placed to defend the currency.
EXTERNAL SECTOR: In 2011-12 we expect export earnings to grow modestly, to an average of US$12.5bn, although this is below the oil-price-related peak in 2008 of US$15.3bn. Oil production, which is increasing at small fields but declining at the larger, mature fields, rose by 2.9% in 2010. Several major oil companies have reported that production has been unaffected by the unrest, although there are reports of increased insurance premiums on tankers transporting oil from Syria’s ports, which might cause some delays in delivery. Output will pick up further in 2011-12, averaging 392,000 barrels/day. The impact of changes in oil prices on the trade balance is limited, because Syria’s imports of refined products are about equal in value to its exports of crude oil. Higher production in 2011, augmented by a rise in international oil prices to an average of US$101.5/barrel in 2011-12, will push up crude oil export revenue to an average of US$5.3bn in 2011-12, from US$4bn in 2010. We have revised down our forecast for the trade deficit, to an average US$1.4bn, or 2.2% of GDP, in 2011-12, as imports are expected to drop owing to the continued political unrest. Jul/06/2011
Syria’s rival hegemons
By CAROLINE B. GLICK in JPost
….In the long-term, the reestablishment of a Turkish sphere of influence in the Arab world in Syria, Lebanon, the Palestinian Authority and Egypt through the Muslim Brotherhood will be extremely dangerous for Israel. With its jihadist ideology, its powerful conventional military forces, its strong economy and its strategic ties to the US and Europe, Turkey’s rise as a regional hegemon would present Israel with a difficult challenge….
Richard N. Haass, “Arab spring has given way to a long, hot summer.” He says the Arab Spring has given way to a series of developments that are beginning to produce a region that is less tolerant, less prosperous, and less stable than what existed—and outsiders cannot do much to change the course of events…..
Arab publics emerging from the upheavals makes it more difficult for Arab governments to compromise. And while terrorist groups had nothing to do with the upheavals, they are in a position to benefit as governments with strong anti-terrorist records are weakened or ousted. Signs of exactly this are popping up in Yemen, and it only a matter of time before they do so in Libya.
Take all this together, and you see a series of developments that are beginning to produce a region that is less tolerant, less prosperous, and less stable that what existed. To be sure, the authoritarian old guard that still dominates much of the Middle East could yet be forced or eased out and replaced with something relatively democratic and open. Unfortunately, the odds now seem against this happening.
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rab publics emerging from the upheavals makes it more difficult for Arab governments to compromise. And while terrorist groups had nothing to do with the upheavals, they are in a position to benefit as governments with strong anti-terrorist records are weakened or ousted. Signs of exactly this are popping up in Yemen, and it only a matter of time before they do so in Libya.
Take all this together, and you see a series of developments that are beginning to produce a region that is less tolerant, less prosperous, and less stable that what existed. To be sure, the authoritarian old guard that still dominates much of the Middle East could yet be forced or eased out and replaced with something relatively democratic and open. Unfortunately, the odds now seem against this happening.
Mideast Youth: Arab Spring Could Never Topple Saddam
2011-07-06
Some Western anti-war activists proclaimed the Arab spring inspired by Tunisia and Egypt, could have toppled Saddam Hussein and the invasion of Iraq by the U.S. in 2003 wasn’t needed. The recent developments in Syria show this is a futile …
Kiss Of ‘Democratic’ Death: Israel’s Plot To Take Down Syria II
08. Jul, 2011, by Jonathan Azaziah / Intifada Palestine, Part 2
Israeli singer Amir Benayoun sings for the Syrian revolutionaries
Susan Dirgham writes:
The Syrian Australian community is becoming quite active in support of the president and reforms. Last week there was a huge rally in Sydney, and different community groups are organizing one for Melbourne. Also a petition has gone around the community and hopefully it will be presented to the parliament by an MP. It is a protest against the foreign minister’s call for President al-Assad to be referred to the International Criminal Court. We have a foreign minister who, unfortunately, wants to big-note himself when he can. He can be very embarrassing. Read this letter to the Australian Foreign Minister.
Comments (187)
daleandersen said:
The longer the protest continues, the worse it will be for the Assad Mafia…
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/06/stuck-in-damascus-with-memphis-blues.html
July 10th, 2011, 9:42 pm
Akbar Palace said:
Some eye-witness accounts from the BBC…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/9521198.stm
July 10th, 2011, 10:02 pm
daleandersen said:
From the preamble to the Syrian Constitution:
“…Freedom is a sacred right and popular democracy is the ideal formulation which insures for the citizen the exercise of his freedom which makes him a dignified human being capable of giving and building, defending the homeland in which he lives, and making sacrifices for the sake of the nation to which he belongs. The homeland’s freedom can only be preserved by its free citizens. The citizen’s freedom can be completed only by his economic and social liberation…”
“Free citizens.” What a joke! Bear in mind that Hafez al-Assad wrote that Constitution. And if it wasn’t his pen that formed the letters, it was his glowering, murderous face that directed the actual authors in their work.
Hafez’ body should be exhumed, a mad scientist should run jolts of electricity through him until he, zombie-like, comes back to life. Then he should be forced to apologize to every man, woman and child in Syria for LYING TO THEM…
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-z4d2zmViGwo/Tf-uTYaLB0I/AAAAAAAAAbk/dBuUSPn_u18/s1600/ventriloquist.JPG
July 10th, 2011, 10:05 pm
why-discuss said:
Joshua
Have you verified with the US Embassy that the “Note from Ambassador Ford” posted in Facebook is authentic? Isn’t unusual for an foreign ambassador to address a letter to Syrians overtly accusing their government of lying?
Maybe I am outdated about the ethics of diplomacy..
July 10th, 2011, 10:13 pm
Norman said:
WD,
What did he say ?
July 10th, 2011, 10:19 pm
why-discuss said:
U.S. Complains to Syria After 31-Hour Protest Outside Embassy
“…Ambassador Ford made clear that Syrian government incitement of Syrians against the United States, including through aggressive protesters in front of the Embassy, must stop, and the Syrian government must not use his visit to Hama — meant only to gather information and support freedom of expression — as propaganda,” the official said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/10/us-complains-to-syria-after-31-hour-protest-outside-embassy/#ixzz1RlFMR7eW
July 10th, 2011, 10:42 pm
Tara said:
“Imad Mustapha was called in to meet with top State Department officials “to express a number of our concerns with the reported actions of certain Syrian embassy staff in the United States. We received reports that Syrian mission personnel under ambassador Mustapha’s authority have been conducting video and photographic surveillance of people participating in peaceful demonstrations in the United States.”
Any chance that Joshua can ask Imad Mustafa to defend himself?
Mustafa’s statement to the American-Syrian community sounds too hollow without emphatic denial of above. If verified, this regime has absolutely learned nothing and can never be genuinely reformed.
July 10th, 2011, 10:46 pm
why-discuss said:
Tara
Did you have any hope it could be reformed? You have a long time ago made up your mind that this regime is doomed, so you should not care anymore about any member of this regime you abhore. Just sit and watch:
“the vicious cycle of protests and military crackdowns can continue for months on end,…. In other words, the country will die a slow and painful death with its problems only exacerbated.”
And prepare to send flowers for the funerals of Syria.
July 10th, 2011, 10:51 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
So Imad Mustafa is vidio taping protests,if you believe that,then you proof that you are part of :
شعب اذا ضرب الحذا براسه. صاح الحذا باي ذنب اضرب
July 10th, 2011, 11:09 pm
Tara said:
Why,
Never. .. Syria will never die.
Damascus is the oldest living city in history. Doesn’t that tell you anything?
Syria is not Lebanon..We will not slip into civil war. You’ll remember this one day.
And Asad is not immortal..Don’t you see the resolve? You just can not argue history. His time has not come yet but it is coming and Syria will emerge better than ever with equal rights to Alawis, Sunni, Shiaa, Christian and all.
July 10th, 2011, 11:15 pm
Tara said:
Why,
One last thing before the next morning, acknowledging that you never ever change your position, I want you to click above on Ibrahim Kashush and hear the lyrics and the melody. Not for anything, just to take a note of what will incorporate into our collective psych for many years to come.
In my own psych, it is Ali Abbas of Bayda and Ibrahim Kashush of Hama. Any psychotherapy for this?
July 11th, 2011, 12:00 am
AIG said:
WHY-DISCUSS,
It is really so easy for Assad to prove that he is sincere about reforms. Is Michel Kilo an unreasonable man? Why can’t his demands be met? Even if the regime just frees all political prisoners and allows the opposition a newspaper, this would cause most of the protests to stop in my opinion and people will believe that Assad really plans to reform.
You blame the opposotion but put no demands on the regime. That is unreasonable. Yes, some people may interpret concessions as signs of weakness. But so what? Isn’t that better than more months of violence?
In any case, the longer the protests last, the weaker the regime will be perceived, so it is in the interest of the regime to make concessions now. Unless you of course believe that the regime can put the genie back in the bottle using repression. Then what you say makes sense. But it is a huge risk in case of failure. Do you want to take that risk just to not look weak?
July 11th, 2011, 12:22 am
daleandersen said:
Israeli singer Amir Benayoun’s song “Zini,” has become a YouTube hit and serves as the soundtrack on a number of Syrian opposition leaders’ Facebook pages. Syrian Commando and Samara must be going nuts!
Enjoy!
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=222196
July 11th, 2011, 12:58 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
The ‘Kiss Of ‘Democratic’ Death: Israel’s Plot To Take Down Syria I & II’ is a fascinating read. Essential, if you want to really learn to know the Arab, conspiracy obsessed, mind.
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July 11th, 2011, 1:01 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/11/357613.htm
Bouthaina ‘the regime has the upper hand’ Sha’aban is begging.
But the people tells her, No Dialog With You. Leave.
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July 11th, 2011, 1:07 am
873 said:
Speaking of conspiracy… The Justice-obsessed American mind has been waiting 10yrs for an answer on this one:
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror 26.09.2001 Haaretz
Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company’s management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
“I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don’t know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don’t know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made,” said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.
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Protesters getting shot.
July 11th, 2011, 1:22 am
daleandersen said:
Wasn’t Bouthaina a sales rep for Odigo back when she was living in London? I think I read that somewhere.
July 11th, 2011, 1:40 am
873 said:
Dale Anderson
oil/gas production
d. anderson corporation
Is this your connection to Syria? If so, maybe you could update us on whats going on in Dayr Ez Zur and the oil regions in Eastern Syria. Does the offshore oil fields Noble discovered extend up to Syrian shores?
July 11th, 2011, 1:48 am
873 said:
Anyone see this on BBC, CNN or the other MSM?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WRE-y8KNEsc#at=44
July 11th, 2011, 2:17 am
syau said:
873,
No, because it wouldn’t serve their purpose. That second clip is very disturbing. It’s clear who should be referred to the ICC.
July 11th, 2011, 2:28 am
syau said:
“President al-Assad Appoints Anas Abdul-Razzaq Na’em as Governor of Hama”
http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/11/357538.htm
Jul 11, 2011
DAMASCUS, (SANA)- President Bashar al-Assad on Sunday issued Decree No. 254 for 2011 appointing Anas Abdul-Razzaq Na’em as Governor of Hama.
Dr. Na’em said that restoring security, safety and stability to the city of Hama is his first task which he will carry out in cooperation with the people of Hama.
Regarding the visit of the U.S. and French ambassadors to Hama on Friday, he noted that it came during a time when the government was holding negotiations with protestors and was close to reaching a solution, but the ambassadors’ actions aggravated the situation, adding that most of the people of Hama are unsatisfied about this visit.
The Governor hoped that people in Hama will return to their work and resume their normal lives, adding that the situation in Hama is currently relatively calm.
Dr. Nae’m holds a higher education certificate in Internal Diseases from the Faculty of Medicine at Damascus University. He also holds a university diploma from Joseph Fourier-Grenoble University in France.
Dr. Na’em held the positions of Secretary of Hama branch of al-Baath Arab Socialist Party and Head of Hama branch of the Doctors’ Union. He is a professor at the Faculty of Medicine at al-Baath University in Homs.
July 11th, 2011, 2:46 am
Usama said:
WD
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said from comment 300 and on in the last blog posting. It’s just the kinds of things I was saying on here before and it’s very clear that many expats are completely out of touch with Syrian society. They probably left Syria before I was even born and are trying to preach to us what the “Syrian people” want. However, I still don’t agree with your belief that the US wants to help Bashar. The US wants Bashar al-Asad to fall, but this has to be done from the inside. I will further explain this point in an upcoming post.
I think Ambassador Ford was up to no good (let’s face it, they’re always up to no good). The US Embassy also publicly said earlier that they were establishing contact with Syrian army leadership figures, and later they said they were in contact with “protest leaders”. I’m not sure why, but it feels like they’re inciting the Syrian government into kicking them out. A possible reason for this could be a planned “reaction” where the US and EU expel the official Syrian ambassadors and replace them with other Syrian Embassy staff as the “legitimate representatives of the Syrian people” to effect diplomatic defections (like Libya). It wouldn’t be too big of a deal, but it would still be an escalation nevertheless, and with some media magic, it would be blown way out of proportion. Remember how they treated the resignation of 300 Ba`th members (without mentioning that there are over 2 million Ba`th members).
873
If you watch Libya’s state TV, you’ll see much more graphic footage of victims of NATO bombings. Also the July 1 pro-Qadhafi demonstration was very large and it is no wonder the “rebels” did not accept Qadhafi’s offer for elections, even with NATO monitors.
July 11th, 2011, 3:07 am
Usama said:
The Mukhabarat finally sent me my paycheque so here I am again (yay!)
It is no secret that the US wants Bashar gone, period! The biggest threat to the Zionists and to American (energy) interests today is the Syria-Iran-Hizbullah axis. How do you rip this axis apart? If you attack Iran, Hizbullah will make rockets rain on the Zionist entity and Iran will destroy the Gulf’s oil and gas infrastructure. If you attack Syria, Hizbullah will make rockets rain on the Zionist entity and there’s a strong probability Iran will destroy the Gulf’s oil and gas infrastructure. If you attack Hizbullah, Hizbullah will make the July 2006 victory look like kid stuff.
So how do you go about breaking this axis without critically hurting the Zionist entity and American interests in the region? The answer is internal regime change in Syria. Since that’s clearly not going to happen under current circumstances, the next best thing is a sectarian civil war in Syria. The awareness of the Syrian people defeated any chance of wide scale sectarian violence, but you can still see the Western media, with al-Arabiya and al-Jazeera, basically begging for sectarian violence in every single article they write about Syria. This should be clear for all to see.
The Zionist entity, with the help of their surveillance activities, most likely know where many of Hizbullah’s rockets are (latest: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/188504.html ). But even then, many rockets will still make their way into the Zionist entity’s cities. The trick is to cut the supply lines so after Hizbullah use up their rockets, there would be no more to fire. The best way to do that is regime change in Syria.
Why do you “Syrians” think we have Zionists on this blog telling us the “rabbit of the Golan” should be toppled? Is it because they want to see a “lion of the Golan”? Is it because they want to see Syrians prosperous and more resistant to Zionism? For those of you who don’t visit the Qifa Nabki blog, you should know the very same Zionists on SC are over there advocating Hizbullah’s demise because it “kept the border quiet since 2006 and has its weapons pointed against the Lebanese”. There are a lot of dumb Lebanese that fall for that kind of stupid language and reasoning, but I would expect better from our Syrian compatriots.
July 11th, 2011, 3:34 am
daleandersen said:
Memo To: USAMA
RE: “…why do you “Syrians” think we have Zionists on this blog…”
Usama, my boy, you “Syrians” see Jews under every rock. If the grocer runs out of figs, you blame the Jews. If you’re having erectile dysfunction issues, you blame the Jews. If your car has a flat, some Jew probably slipped across the Golan to let out the air.
Your problem is diet. You’re not eating a proper breakfast. Here, boy, have breakfast on me. Eat. >>> http://bp3.blogger.com/_Mfj9Eu_N6Bw/RmUTG5qtokI/AAAAAAAAAFY/ctYIIQ5ZRTE/s1600-h/IMGP0867.JPG
July 11th, 2011, 3:52 am
HS said:
Dear Joshua,
Today , the link in Joshua’s news round up for
“The national dialogue is for a pluralist system in which the ballot boxe plays a prominent role.”
is not http://www.syriacomment.com/www.daralhayat.com
but http://www.daralhayat.com
( Note: The spelling mistake is not mine but it may be predicting a further development in the electoral boxing ring )
No doubt, this very unfortunate technical glitch will be repaired soon.
Also to be read in its entirety the sana.sy site including
http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/11/357613.htm
I said yesterday :
“””
I lost my access to the reports of US and French ambassadors after their visit to Jisr Al Shogour in June and their condolence letters to the families of the Security personnel which has been massacred there by the MBs.
“””
Anybody can provide a link ?
July 11th, 2011, 5:57 am
Simon said:
The Mosaic structure of the Syrian society is once again triggering many scenario for resolving the existing political chaos.
The Muslim brotherhood knows well that they are not going to be tolerated in the 21 century in any region of the globe,so they have to play it in a very subtle way if they are allowed to get involved in the National dialogue.
Assad has to fight for survival and keep the obtained privileges for the last 40 years, and the only card to play in his hand is reform at the time being and this is gradually being implemented.
The Christians minority want peace with compromise of liberty and democracy because they know no matter who is going to inherit the throne,they will never ever have a share in the pie and they just want to save their skin.
I can easily see more troubles coming in Ramadan,it has to get very dark before the sun rise unfortunately.
There are Zionist in this blog !!!! so watch them carefully please.
SC,WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK?
July 11th, 2011, 6:36 am
Tara said:
Syau,
So the new governor of Hama is yet another medical Doctor? … This is giving me a pause. I just hope he did not got to the same ” schooling” that Bashar did.
It is scary.
July 11th, 2011, 6:37 am
HS said:
On US ambassador’s Facebook report
“Other protesters threw eggs and tomatoes at our embassy. If they cared about their fellow Syrians the protesters would stop throwing this food at us and donate it to those Syrians who don’t have enough to eat.”
Some numbers :
13 999 999 999 999 $US the US government debt
1 219 288 999 999 $US cost of US wars since 2001
47 000 000 000 $US USAID budget( except Irak and Afghanistan )
100 000 $US cost of the buses burned in Hama by MBs
10 SL cost of Syrian rotten eggs and vegetables
which cannot be exported due to the embargo
by Gulf countries and others nor safely
transported around Syria thanks to
the “unarmed civilian barricades”
July 11th, 2011, 7:04 am
Tara said:
Usama and all
I want to ask you a question but I can not engage in a long conversation now because I have to go to work.
Do you really believe that Israel in its entirety is all evil? That there is no single Israeli who genuinely believe in human rights to the non-Jews?
And suppose the condition is vice versa. Israel is an authoritarian regime and Syria is democracy ( although I question Israel treatment to her Arab Israeli citizen) do you think that no Syrians would feel empathy towards oppressed Israelis watching all the you tube footage of mayhem that came.
Please think your response through and refrain from pseudo hyper-patriotic, pseudo hyper
nationalistic answer because it my weaken your argument.
I am genuinely interested in an honest answer and I open this question to whoever interested.
July 11th, 2011, 7:07 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Did you notice that the reactionary mnhebak care about the Libyan fatalities more, than they care about their own people?
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July 11th, 2011, 7:11 am
Akbar Palace said:
Do you really believe that Israel in its entirety is all evil? That there is no single Israeli who genuinely believe in human rights to the non-Jews?
Tara,
There is more than just a “single Israeli who genuinely believe in human rights to the non-Jews”. The vast majority of Jews in Israel believe:
1.) The Palestinians should have their own state at peace with Israel.
2.) Non-Jewish citizens of Israel should have equal rights.
…although I question Israel treatment to her Arab Israeli citizen…
Tara,
What question do have about Israel’s “treatment to her Arab Israeli citizen”?
Arab-Israelis already have more rights in Israel than in Syria, which is why I don’t understand why the Baathists are crying so much about the rights of Palestinians when, clearly, Syrians suffer more.
Respectfully,
AP
July 11th, 2011, 7:16 am
Samara said:
Daleanderson,
Actually, that song does not even strike a nerve. I mean, who cares right? He’s not even Syrian. Israeli? Lol. But what pisses you ALL off is the fact that people who DO matter, like Syrian singers and Lebanese singers, have many songs for BASHAR. One of them, as you must know, is MENHEBAK. Now, dale. Dale, Dale, Dale…who is going nuts now?? Habibi, no need to deny it.
Bashar al Assad is not just the leader of the Syrian people. He is our blood. He is our family. He has done so much for our country, and it is sad to see people betray him. But, people’s true colours show in tines like this. Siding with the Isralies, the US… The ones who would rather get mauled to death by a dog, than see an arab country at peace.
Dales obsession with the women in the government has many things to say about him. He apparently has lost anything constructive to say. Or he is waisting time untill he comes up with more lies, and more lies and more bull poop. Hmmmm…oh well.
Mehebak, menhebak, menhebak ya Bashar. Nehna ahlak, nehna sha3bak, 3al helwi ou 3al moura jumbak, nehna hadak kafi darbak menhebak menhebak. MENHEBAAAAAK!!!
July 11th, 2011, 7:25 am
Tara said:
Akbar Palace,
Thanks for your response.
To answer your question in an intelligent manner, I think I would dial a lifeline. If I have time today, I will email Azmi Bishara and ask him. Fair?
July 11th, 2011, 7:32 am
Samara said:
Akbar Palace,
You honestly belive that the Palestinians in occupied Palestine are treated better than the Syrians in Syria? Ya 3ayne. Ya habibi. You and the revolutionaries say that we are blinded by the Syrian regime and by our beloved Bashar. Well, looks like we are not the only ones who are deluded by our government.
I still fail to see why you all are so hostile. Defensive about your country and government, yet for us baathists, our defence and support is due to some disease perscribed by, i think it was Aboud. I honestly see the hypocracy here.
But, no. Palestinians were, and remain under oppression by tbe Isralies.
There are many Israeli people who oppose their countries treatment of the Arabs. But because of the ultimate democracy that country is, they rarely speak up.
July 11th, 2011, 7:40 am
syau said:
Tara #27,
Would you have prefered a jewelery maker as the next Hama governor? That would be sure to make the Hamwi’s shine. Another thought is a stylist with a love for all things Prada.
July 11th, 2011, 7:49 am
Akbar Palace said:
Tara,
Ask whomever you want. AIG would know because he is Israeli.
But most people have ENOUGH information to conclude that the freedoms for Arabs living in Israel are superior to the freedoms of Arabs living in Syria. IMHO, that’s a given.
You honestly belive that the Palestinians in occupied Palestine are treated better than the Syrians in Syria?
Samara,
If you check my post to Tara, I said “Arab-Israelis”, yaani, “Arab citizens of Israel”.
Arabs can either be:
1.) Arabs living as citizens of Israel
2.) Arabs living under Israeli occupation
3.) Arabs living under the Palestinian Authority
I am soley referring to 1.) Arab living as citizens of Israel
There are not that many Arabs living under Israeli occupation. West Bank population centers in the West Bank are living under the PA, and Israelis (Arab, Jewish, Chritian, etc) are not allowed to enter these areas unless they have permission.
Samara,
My “hostility” comes in direct proportion to the demonizing Israelis get on this website;)
I honestly see the hypocracy here.
Me too!
July 11th, 2011, 7:57 am
HS said:
News from the National Dialogue conference
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/11/357535.htm
Participants suggested laying plans and articles for emerging from the crisis ….
They also called for not wasting time on discussing the mistakes of the past and focusing on the future and means to emerge from the crisis, …..
My comment:
Syrian commentators on this blog should be well advised to take the same path , ignoring the provocations of some professional malevolent unSyrians like ….. ( which I no longer read past their pseudo name )
July 11th, 2011, 8:14 am
Simon said:
To the lovers of Zionists in this forum:
Scary,how they are spread in every single corner of the globe!!!
Isn’t enough that Murdoch is polluting and twisting the decent voices of journalists,now we have to suffer here from multi attack from the “repollunist” and I mean it, p instead of v.
Do we have to suffer from the Murdochochist from the whole sphere?
Who drags Syria to 1967 and 1973 wars?
Who is committing continuous genocide in Palestine?
Who is bombarding Lebanon in every single occasion accessible?
Who is intimidating the Syrian and Lebanese sky whenever they feel like it?
Who is threatening the middle East with Nuclear weapons?
And they are claiming that they have Democracy,SCARY !!!
An’t they treating Arabs well?
If some Syrians don’t like Assad doesn’t mean they adore Israel,get out of the equation.
Peace is your only card and I know that you know it well.
July 11th, 2011, 8:29 am
Revlon said:
Light break!
Confessions of a terrorist Islamist group!
أفراد الجماعة المسلحة على التلفزيون السوري
الثورة السورية – الاعلام السوري حسب مسلسل أيام الولدنة لحكم البابااعترافات
July 11th, 2011, 8:35 am
HS said:
On SOS Syrie : Le serment de Paris de Bernard Henry Levy
Signataires syriens :
Amr Al-Azm, Molham Aldrobii, Ahed Alhindi, Lama Atassi, Radwan Badini, Mohammed Karkouti, Abdel Ilah Milhem, Ammar Qurabi, Sondos Sulaiman, Khawla Yusuf, Salim Monem, Georgette Alam, Alexandre Goldfarb, Adib Shishakly.
About Molham Aldrobii : MB representative in France !!
About the “Syrian” Alexandre Goldfarb :
Alexander Davidovich Goldfarb (Russian: Александр Давыдович Гольдфарб) (born in 1947 in Moscow) is a microbiologist, activist, and author…
From 1993 to 1997 he managed the Soros Foundation in Russia…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Goldfarb_%28microbiologist%29
http://www.infosyrie.fr/actualite/escroquerie-infosyrie-etait-au-meeting-pro-syrien-de-bhl/
Une petite pensée triste pour les opposants syriens sincères : à partir du moment où leur cause est prise en main par un Bernard-Henri Lévy, elle est évidemment déshonorée, décrédibilisée, en attendant d’être démodée.
A little sad thought for sincere Syrian opponents : from the time their case is taken over by a Bernard-Henri Levy, it is obviously disgraced, discredited, waiting to be outdated.
July 11th, 2011, 8:39 am
Samara said:
SIMON,
1: ISRAEL
2: ISRAEL
3: ISRAEL
4: ISRAEL
5: ISRAEL
ISRAEL, ISRAEL, ISRAEL.
Exactly, the Syrians who oppose Assad do not support Israel. Israel has ruined many things in Syria, and the lives of Syrian people.
Hows my hypocracy now A.P?
July 11th, 2011, 8:39 am
majedkhaldoon said:
Is’nt it better for the regime to give some concessions now ,than to give huge concessions in the future? releasing all political prisoners now is better for the regime than to enter all out civil war.
The question why the opposition did not go to the conultative meeting?the answer is simple, during war you do not talk when fire is heavy, stop fire then we talk,here fire is continuous killing ,arrest and torture by the regime, first release political prisoners,stop the killing of people then we talk.
July 11th, 2011, 8:49 am
Revlon said:
Looting, destruction and arson by Jr’s thugs
Bab AlSeba3, Homs
Last night
فلاش-باب سباع-الشبيحه يحرقون مخزن الالبسه والسيارات
July 11th, 2011, 8:54 am
syau said:
“Syrian Activists Say”
by Tony Cartalucci
“Perception of Syrian conflict defined by baseless “activist” statements.”
http://www.infowars.com/syrian-activists-say/
“Of course, Syria’s mobilization of entire armor divisions and military aircraft would not be necessary if protesters were merely carrying placards and chanting slogans. The obvious gap in the corporate-owned media’s coverage of Syria is an accurate description, or even fair mention of the armed elements operating amongst the protesters.”
—–
I’m pleased to see more people are now able to see the truth behind the situation in Syria, and see through the outright lies and fabrications portrayed by the revolutionists, in conjunction with Aljazeera.
July 11th, 2011, 8:59 am
Akbar Palace said:
Israel, Israel, Israel (con’t)
Hows my hypocracy now A.P?
Samara,
I was responding to Tara’s question to Usama in post #29.
Do you really believe that Israel in its entirety is all evil?
As I have said before, the whole issue of freedom for Syria is a WIN/WIN for all peoples in the region, and that I do NOT expect the Syrian opposition to be pro-Israel.
I just want to add, don’t expect Israel not to defend herself against her enemies. I don’t expect miracles, but freedom and democracy can only get us closer to peaceful co-existence.
Simon asks a slew of questions:
Who drags Syria to 1967 and 1973 wars?
Syria.
Who is committing continuous genocide in Palestine?
There is no “genocide” in Palestine. More Syrians have been killed in Syria than Palestinians in Palestine.
Who is bombarding Lebanon in every single occasion accessible?
Lebanon gets “bombarded” in retaliation of the same from Lebanon. Recently, “bombarding” has been almost negligible. Write now, Arabs are getting killed much more by Arab governments who are dealing with the “Arab Spring”.
Who is intimidating the Syrian and Lebanese sky whenever they feel like it?
Which is necessary because UNSC 1701 has been broken by Lebanon and Syria.
Who is threatening the middle East with Nuclear weapons?
Iran. Israel doesn’t threaten the ME with nuclear weapons. At one time is was also Libya and Syria, until their nuclear programs were discovered and dismantled.
And they are claiming that they have Democracy,SCARY !!!
What is your definition of democracy, and how do the Israelis NOT meet this definition of democracy?
?An’t they treating Arabs well?
That’s a relative question. Israel treats Arabs in Israel BETTER than that of any other Arab country. Unless you can prove otherwise.
July 11th, 2011, 9:01 am
syau said:
Revlon #43,
It is a known fact that the ‘peaceful protesters’ are the ones who are burning cars, stores, destroying infrastructure, looting etc. Taping a burned down store, and saying its was done by security personnel doesn’t make it true.That was the handy work of the revolutions vandals/thugs/armed gangs aka peaceful protesters and you know it.
As the Syrian revolution doesn’t seem to have a leader at the moment to name these vandals after, (as you do) if you like, for the moment we can call them either Fida’s boys or 3ar3our’s boys, take you pick.
I wonder if you truely believe half the things you say or the links you provide.
July 11th, 2011, 9:19 am
why-discuss said:
Tara
Your sympathy and subtle preference for Israel has become so obvious that there is no point in discussing with you or give you my opinions about Syria or other and replies to your inquisitive questions.
I just regret I got fooled, as signs were clear a long time ago.
Enjoy breakfast at Tel Aviv with the Israeli parasite ecommenters, I’l stick to Hamidieh
July 11th, 2011, 9:29 am
Akbar Palace said:
“Parasite Commenters” NewZ
Tara,
cc: WD
Yes, Tara, if you don’t demonize Israel (a ME country that treats its Arabs better than any other Arab country) you’re not to be taken seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
According to Ishmael Khaldi, an Arab citizen of Israel and the nation’s first high ranking Muslim in the Israeli foreign service, while Israeli society is far from perfect, minorities in Israel fare far better than any other country in the Middle East. He wrote:
I am a proud Israeli – along with many other non-Jewish Israelis such as Druze, Bahai, Bedouin, Christians and Muslims, who live in one of the most culturally diversified societies and the only true democracy in the Middle East. Like America, Israeli society is far from perfect, but let us deal honestly. By any yardstick you choose — educational opportunity, economic development, women and gay’s rights, freedom of speech and assembly, legislative representation — Israel’s minorities fare far better than any other country in the Middle East.[192]
July 11th, 2011, 9:36 am
why-discuss said:
Majedalkaldoon
You have a point here.
Any concession given outside a complete frame of solutions will be perceived as weakness and misused.
In a war you call for a cease-fire to allow negotiations. The government is showing willineness for a cease fire provided the protesters stop making provocative demonstrations that get out of control.
While the government have the control of the security officers, Facebook x-opposition are in control of the streets and they don’t want a cease fire because the would loose the power they have acquire. They don’t want dialog, they keep repeating it.
If the opposition attends a meeting that is shown in TV by all syrians, they can challenge the governemnt overtly and retake control of the streets from the x-opposition.
I find Dalila and others who refused to show as very weak persons. They should go to these meetings, shout, call for a solution to the security issue, work out a solution , show they are the leaders of the opposition not a guy in Sweden or some zionist sympathizers in Europeh.
Where is the young opposition???
July 11th, 2011, 9:42 am
why-discuss said:
AP
cc Tara
Blurp
July 11th, 2011, 9:44 am
Revlon said:
A friend’s contact in 7ama tells that the city is currently in a state of military and security siege.
Systematic house search and arrests are being carried out.
Access of private hospital employees to work is not guaranteed.
Occupancy of some buildings in certain neighbourhoods have dropped to 25% after indeginous 7amwi families fled to safer areas in or outside 7ama.
July 11th, 2011, 9:54 am
why-discuss said:
HS
The “egg and tomatoes” is the stupidest and more infantile comment I have ever heard coming from a diplomat, since Marie-Antoinette, queen of France: “They have no bread ,give them biscuits”
I was wishing for him that it was fake.
Mr Marie-Antoinette Ford should think about sending some food to Gaza, that his dear friend is blockading with tanks, planes and navy for years, instead of “picking” on Syria (as that other dumb spokeswoman said). What a bunch or arrogant morons!
July 11th, 2011, 9:55 am
why-discuss said:
Revlon
“Systematic house search and arrests are being carried out”.
For once coming from you, not an obituary but an excellent news.
July 11th, 2011, 9:56 am
Simon said:
# 41 To Samara
This is what I am saying,it is Israel,can’t you get the sarcasm?
I am syrian.
July 11th, 2011, 9:57 am
syau said:
#51,
Was it Abu or OM M7mad?
Why Discuss,
If it’s actually true, it is good news.
Simon #54,
I think the sarcasm was noted, comments in #41 seemed an add on/answer to your questions.
July 11th, 2011, 9:59 am
majedkhaldoon said:
Why Discuss
You can not equate demonstrations with dialogue, demonstrations are all the power the people has, while the regime has ,authority,has the control of army and its weapons has the control of security forces and this has 17 branches, the regime also has the media,and has the prisoners in jail,the regime has corrupt people and judiciary system, all of these equal demonstrations, stop all of these then demonstrations will stop.
July 11th, 2011, 10:03 am
Tara said:
Why-Discuss
Congrats. You managed to get me mad. I dropped what I was doing to answer this. Had it come from someone else, I would not have bothered.
So you could not carry a conversation with me and the easiest way out was to dehumanize me?
“My sympathy and subtle preference”??? Do you not read me? did I not explain how I feel towards HA? Did you not read how I still can not condemn HA despite evidence to HA participation in our oppression. What is HA? Isn’t the only Arab entity that fight Israel? But of course, you hear all my stories about how i relate to HA and you interpret it as I am an Israel sympathizer. Am I surprised? Indeed I am.
My comment about breakfast in Tel Aviv was a sarcastic one after someone accused me of being Israeli, and since you got some heat from the same person as you dared to deviate from the scripted line, he started to accuse you too and hence, I made the comment that shortly enough , you gonna find yourself too to be Israeli.
I too regret that I got fooled, as signs were also clear a long time ago.
July 11th, 2011, 10:12 am
873 said:
Tara,
Will you go to visit any of the Iraqi Refugees from Freedom & Reform that was suggested to you? Ask them why they are still in Syria and havent returned. Ask them if they were given sanctuary in Israel, who should be paying the Iraqis reparations (who instead at one time tried to sue IRAQIS for Holocaust damages).
WD,
Tara’s faux naivete’ is touching isnt it? Why not play along? She could phone the refugees from Tel Aviv, as Israel has managed to get everybody’s phone info.
At any rate, are you following the Dow Jones today? The Arab Revolt debacle may soon take a back seat to economics 911.
France, who will be at ground zero when the PIIGS collapses just announced that the Libyan rebels should seek an agreement with Gaddaffi govt.
France tells Libya rebels to seek peace with Gaddafi
By Lamine Chikhi | Reuters July 9, 2011 -snip-
TRIPOLI (Reuters) – A French minister said on Sunday it was time for Libya’s rebels to negotiate with Muammar Gaddafi’s government, but Washington said it stood firm in its belief that the Libyan leader cannot stay in power.
The diverging messages from two leading members of the Western coalition opposing Gaddafi hinted at the strain the alliance is under after more than three months of air strikes that have cost billions of dollars and failed to produce the swift outcome its backers had expected.
French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet signalled growing impatience with the progress of the conflict when he said the rebels should negotiate now with Gaddafi’s government and not wait for his defeat.
July 11th, 2011, 10:12 am
AIG said:
WD,
So now you also start with personal attacks?
I thought there was an emerging consensus on this site of refraining from those. You have a serious problem of not understanding that you should differentiate between what is being said and who says it. Your tendency to allege that people like Tara are traitors just because she does not agree with you is despicable. You should apologize to Tara.
The more you post, the more it is clear that you are a very intolerant person that does not understand what pluralism is.
July 11th, 2011, 10:15 am
Aboud said:
@52 “The “egg and tomatoes” is the stupidest and more infantile comment I have ever heard coming from a diplomat, since Marie-Antoinette, queen of France: “They have no bread ,give them biscuits””
Hehehe, she never said that. Look it up.
July 11th, 2011, 10:15 am
Tara said:
AIG,
I ask you please to stay out of this.
July 11th, 2011, 10:17 am
Revlon said:
Dialogue by torture
Concept: Jr the deformer
Venue: Military security prison
Date and Time: Last night
July 11th, 2011, 10:19 am
Simon said:
# 55 to SYAU
Thanks for explaining,I am just tired.
July 11th, 2011, 10:23 am
AIG said:
873,
Have you visited any Iraqi refugees? After all you are American and are responsible for them much more than Tara. What are you doing to change US policy? Is your solution to what you perceive as lack of democracy in the US to support dictators in Syria? You are a little mixed up.
July 11th, 2011, 10:24 am
Samara said:
Simon,
LOL! I was actually backing you up!! I know your stance. Sorry if it seemed otherwise.
July 11th, 2011, 10:33 am
AIG said:
Tara,
In your answer to WD you are falling for his antidemocratic tricks. It is your right to hate Israel as much as you want. But it is your right to say whatever you like about the Assad regime without having to state what your views about Israel are. This is an old Assad propaganda trick. Anyone that criticized him was labeled a Zionist or Israel lover and was put on the defensive. It was a way to change the subject. Why do you continue to fall for this? Why do your opinions on Israel matter at all to the discussion? Why do you need to start apologizing for them?
July 11th, 2011, 10:46 am
AIG said:
Tara,
By the way, I like reading Azmi Bishara also. He is one of the most clear headed Arab analysts because he understands Israel well being an Israeli Arab.
I like this piece very much:
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/900/op1.htm
Don’t miss reading the last paragraph.
July 11th, 2011, 10:56 am
Syria no kandahar said:
My car was stolen last night,I live 10000 miles from Syria but I am sure the shabiha did it.I took a vidio and I will be sending to Revlon.hada colo islahak ya bashar.revlon they stool my sunglasses and my wife channel bag,I think Asma is behind this.
July 11th, 2011, 10:57 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Azmi is ( edite for bad language. Please watch your language)
July 11th, 2011, 10:59 am
Aboud said:
So, we can now all safely assume that Ambassador Ford’s comments on Facebook were not “fake”, as the Baathists earnestly hoped they would be. Never mind, you can fall back on calling him…what was the word you used…”immature” (this from the same people who gave us the Muallem Doctrine of “We don’t like their policies, so they don’t exist! Wa wa wa!”)
July 11th, 2011, 11:01 am
louai said:
Why-discuss
‘Le Monde reports that eggs, tomatoes and other food were thrown for 31 hours on the US and French embassy in Damascus. French flag was burned. The Syrian ambassador in Paris was called, as French were outraged by this demonstration against their embassy.’
Now they are angry of that the ‘peaceful demonstrators’ are expressing their views
i knew the proud Syrian people will not accept the insult ,hope the government will follow
Apparently they didn’t like eggs and potato they only consider the public hanging and buildings burning as peaceful . if the pro-Syrian pride demonstrators were as peaceful as the pro-revolution ones –the ones they support blindly- their buildings would have been burned and the ambassadors would have been kidnapped , double standards and hierocracy, why I am not surprised ?
July 11th, 2011, 11:07 am
norman said:
It is fake, there is an article from AL Quds AL Araby on the site, do you think that the American embassy will do that.
July 11th, 2011, 11:09 am
HS said:
On Marie Antoinette
The citation “They have no bread ,give them biscuits” is largely attributed to her .
But, in fact Jean Jacques Rousseau , the great french activist , reported in one of his book Confessions that he heard it from a “high level” princess without naming her .
It seems that the philosopher JJR just invented it.
It looks like he was an ancestor of the Syrian2011 activists with their lies and propaganda on Facebook and on Youtube filled with Confessions of anonymous sources.
July 11th, 2011, 11:10 am
why-discuss said:
Tara
I am sorry you got mad, but I wish you would get as mad when these Israelis try to fool you into making you believe that they are tolerant and that their country is wonderful while Syria is s…
If Israel was not a democracy, or they were dissidents, I would sympathize with them, but they are the ones voting for their hypocrite and repulsive leaders, they are the ones who are voting for the arrogant occupation of a Syrian’s land, the ones who are voting for the continuous blockade of Gaza.
They are part of the system, and their views about Syria is stained with their hegemonic mentality, so they are worthless.
It is your choice to chat with them and exchanges conversations about how bad Bashar is, how good it would be if it was like Israel’s wonderful system but don’t expect me to condone you or to encourage your friendship and cozyness as if your country was in peace with these thieves. It is simply indecent.
By the way, I don’t know what you brought up HA….It has nothing to do with that.
July 11th, 2011, 11:11 am
louai said:
Syria no kandahr 69
Azmi is ( edite for bad language. Please watch your language) 😀
al sha3ab youreed Syria no kandahar’s statement !! post it in arabic please maybe it will pass 😉
July 11th, 2011, 11:13 am
Samara said:
Aboud,
Thats right. We Baathists say what we want, do what we want, condemn who we want and which policies we dont agree with and we declare people as Zionists when we dont like them, and we do what ever possible to get those we hate off the streets. So, you better be careful. Just saying…
We can do all that. While you 3ar3oris can stuff it. You say it’s immaturity, we say it’s what you all envy.
July 11th, 2011, 11:15 am
Simon said:
this is new name for the repollunist(revolunist):Freemos
The story is: when Angelina jolly visited them in turkey, they were taught to cheer freedom, when she arrived, Instead they started cheering “freemo”
July 11th, 2011, 11:17 am
AIG said:
Samara,
And I say you Baathists are cowards because you threaten people who do not have guns. If you are so brave, how about doing something about the Golan, Mr. Rabbit? Again you show what cowards the Baathist regime is. Brave against its citizens, but cowards where it counts.
July 11th, 2011, 11:28 am
AIG said:
Has anyone else noticed how the Baathists rarely articulate an argument? They just curse people who’s ideas they do not like.
July 11th, 2011, 11:30 am
Ghat Al Bird said:
A map depicting the zionist dream of ” greater ” Israel.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-me2ekj_JHDs/ThUlaJTbkcI/AAAAAAAAAQs/stisSO5UKdc/s1600/greater_israel.gif
July 11th, 2011, 11:35 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Tara,
Unlike WD, I did notice your fondness towards HA and it’s leader. You probably know that Nasrallah refers to Israel as Fallastin mu7tala. Then, few days ago I asked you a question, which you answered “a just peace”. According to HA’s ideology, a just peace will happen when Israel is gone. They don’t want peace with this American project, the Zionist entity. So my question to you, what is “a just peace” according to Tara.
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July 11th, 2011, 11:35 am
Aboud said:
@76 “So, you better be careful. Just saying…”
HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Careful of what? Semi-illiterate shabiha who burst into homes demanding “Give us your fasbook! Where is your fasbook! Where are you hiding it?”
Funniest thing that ever happened to me at a checkpoint was a puny 18 year old with an AK-47 asking if we were carrying any “youtubes” with us.
Seriously, when junior actually comes up with a creative way to deal with the revolution, then I’ll start to get worried. As it is, the eye doctor is as creative as a baby splattering paint all over himself.
July 11th, 2011, 11:40 am
Nour said:
Majed:
I agree with you. I think the government should do all it can to show good faith to the protesters. I think most protesters are reasonable and simply want to feel like their dignity is respected. I’m sure most people in Hama don’t want the situation to go on like this indefinitely and if the regime meets some of their demands (which I don’t even see as concessions as they would be merely responding to their people) I have a feeling they will remove the barriers in the city and come to the table for a real dialogue. Of course I am not saying here that the government should concede anything to the armed elements but the old regime mentality of the government ruling the people rather than the government being of and for the people must change if we are to move forward.
July 11th, 2011, 11:42 am
why-discuss said:
HS, Abboud, Norman
I still hope Mr Marie-Antoinette Ford will deny he ever wrote that ‘infantile’ note ( that’s the word, Abboud).
Otherwise I think tomatoes and eggs are not enough, he should receive a good, heavy, hot fatteh on the face instead to shut his mouth for a long time.
The state spokewoman VICTORIA NULAND used an arrogant scolding tone I thought I recognized. It sounded very GOP, Condie Rice type of tone. Then I checked…
What can you expect from a GOP Israel’s friend woman who served as advisor to Cheney and married to one of the most notorious zionist neo-con Robert Kagan.
“Toria is very skilled and talented and will do very well here,” one denizen of the State Department’s “executive level” seventh floor said, noting that given Nuland’s ties to GOP circles – her husband is Brookings foreign policy scholar and Washington Post columnist Robert Kagan, and she previously served as an adviser to Cheney — “who better…to aggressively defend the Administration’s foreign policy?”
July 11th, 2011, 11:44 am
AIG said:
WD,
Your rhetoric about Israelis is the usual Baathist BS. You used to say that about Turkey until you became best of friends with them. Peace will be reached by negotiations, not by idle slogans and inept government’s like Assad’s.
July 11th, 2011, 11:45 am
louai said:
That is a change that we should support, soon a child of a Syrian woman from a non Syrian father will be eligible for Syrian citizenship, finally we will get red of this sexist law, if applied Syria will be the first Arabic country that give back the Syrian women their right to pass citizenship to her children, however the fight against ‘honor crime‘ should continue
قرار بتشكيل لجنة لدراسة تعديل قانون الجنسية
الاخبار المحلية
شارك
أصدر رئيس مجلس الوزراء عادل سفر، قرارا يقضي بتشكيل لجنة تكون مهمتها دراسة مشروع القانون تعديل المادة 3 من قانون الجنسية، وكذلك منح الجنسية العربية السورية لأبناء المرأة السورية المتزوجة ممن يحمل الجنسية غير السورية.
ونص القرار على تشكيل لجنة برئاسة معاون وزير الداخلية للشؤون المدنية وعضوية ممثلين عن وزارتي الخارجية والمغتربين والعدل.
وتدرس اللجنة مشروع القانون المعد من قبل الاتحاد العام النسائي والمتضمن تعديل المادة 3 من قانون الجنسية الصادر بالمرسوم التشريعي رقم 267 لعام 1969، وكذلك منح الجنسية العربية السورية لأبناء المرأة السورية المتزوجة ممن يحمل الجنسية غير السورية.
وتنص المادة 3 من قانون الجنسية الصادر بالمرسوم التشريعي رقم 267 لعام 1969، أنه يعتبر عربياً سورياً حكما من ولد في القطر أو خارجه من والد عربي سوري، ومن ولد في القطر من أم عربية سورية ولم تثبت نسبته إلى أبيه قانونا، ومن ولد في القطر من والدين مجهولين أو مجهولي الجنسية أو لا جنسية لهما، ويعتبر اللقيط في القطر مولوداً فيه وفي المكان الذي عثر عليه فيه ما لم تثبت العكس.
كما يعتبر سوريا من ولد في القطر ولم يحق له عند ولادته أن يكتسب بصلة البنوة جنسية أجنبية، ومن ينتمي بأصله للجمهورية العربية السورية، ولم يكتسب جنسية أخرى ولم يتقدم لاختيار الجنسية السورية في المهن المحددة بموجب القرارات والقوانين السابقة.
وترفع اللجنة نتائج عملها إلى رئيس مجلس الوزراء خلال مدة أسبوع من تاريخه، وتستعين بمن تراه مناسبا لإنجاز أعمالها.
وكان أعضاء في مجلس الشعب تقدموا عام 2008 بمشروع قانون يقضي بمنح الجنسية السورية للذين يولدون من أم سورية. إلا أن الحكومة رفضته بسبب تناقضه مع قرار لجامعة الدول العربية وافقت سورية عليه ويقضي بعدم منح الجنسية للفلسطينيين، لكن أعضاء المجلس الشعب نفسهم، أعدوا مشروع قانون معدل.
ويعطي القانون السوري الجنسية السورية للذين يولدون من أب سوري فيما يحرم من يولدون من أم سورية حيازة الجنسية, وذلك على عكس ما هو قائم في العديد من دول العالم.
وتعتبر قضية حق الأم السورية في منح أبنائها الجنسية مثار جدل بين العديد من الحقوقيين والاجتماعيين وعدد لا يستهان به من أصحاب هذه المعاناة, حيث يعتبر أبناء السورية التي تتزوج من غير سوري أجانبا ولا يتمتعون بأي حقوق يتمتع بها المواطن السوري.
وتطالب سوريات ممن يعانين من هذا الأمر بحقهن في نقل الجنسية السورية إلى أولادهن أسوة بما هو قائم في العديد من دول العالم، وخاصة في الغرب، حيث يتزوج بعض العرب من أجنبيات بغية نيل الجنسية لهم ولأولادهم من بعدهم.
http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=134849
July 11th, 2011, 11:47 am
majedkhaldoon said:
If the news that Imad Mustafa is ordering video of syrian demonstrators, this is spying,and he should be treated as a spy,and those who are doing it must be arrested and tried as spies,this should never be tolerated in this country
July 11th, 2011, 11:50 am
Jad said:
سيريانيوز تستطلع أراء مشاركين في اللقاء التشاوري لبحث أسس المؤتمر الوطني في يومه الثاني
طيب تيزيني: من حق الشعب أن تبث هذه لجلسات علناً فهو سيعلم من نحن وسيحاكمنا ويدخل بحالة الحوار، أما الخروج بقرارات وإعطاؤها للشعب فإن هذا لا يضفي المصداقية
ياسر حورية: الحزب لم يحسم أمره بعد فيما يتعلق بالمادة الثامنة من الدستور، والمسألة بحاجة لمناقشات عديدة، وربما يعقد مؤتمر أو يتم دعوة اللجنة المركزية للحزب لبحث الموضوع
بثينة شعبان: لا استطيع القول أن المعارضة قاطعت الجلسة، فهناك أطراف كثيرة كانت موجودة في الداخل من الطيف المعارض،وتكلمت بسقف معارض
بدأت اليوم الاثنين فعاليات اليوم الثاني من اللقاء التشاوري الذي دعت إليه هيئة الحوار الوطني لبحث أسس “مؤتمر الحوار الوطني الشامل” وسط حضور كافة الأطياف التي كانت متواجدة في لقاء البارحة من مستقلين وبعثيين وبعض المعارضين..
حيث لم يشهد اليوم الأول مناقشة أي فكرة تتعلق بالتعديلات الدستورية نظراً لرغبة الجميع إبداء آراءهم بما تمر به سورية اليوم، لذا تم تأجيل مناقشة التعديلات الدستورية إلى اليوم مع حزمة القوانين المتعلقة بالانتخابات والأحزاب والإعلام وسط شائعات تقول بأنه من المحتمل أن يقوم المجتمعون بإجراء تصويت من أجل تمديد المؤتمر ليوم إضافي.
وانطلقت يوم أمس الأحد فعاليات اللقاء التشاوري حيث عقدت الجلسة الأولى في تمام الساعة 11 صباحا وتضمنت كلمة لنائب رئيس الجمهورية فاروق الشرع قال فيها ان الحوار ليس منة من احد على احد وانه لا رجعة فيه, تلاها مداخلات, فيما كان مقررا ان تبحث الجلسة المسائية التعديلات الدستورية.
وقال ابراهيم دراجي, رئيس الجلسة التي ستبحث التعديلات الدستورية, قبيل افتتاح جلسات اللقاء اليوم إن “التعديلات الدستورية لم تناقش بالأمس لأن الحضور كان لديهم رغبة بالحديث وتم تمديد الوقت الرسمي المخصص للجلسة من أجل استيعاب أكبر قدر من المشاركات”.
وأوضح دراجي, أحد أعضاء هيئة الحوار الوطني التي دعت للقاء التشاوري, أنه “سيشهد هذا اليوم مناقشة لكافة المحاور المنصوص عليها بما فيها التعديلات الدستورية وقانون الانتخابات والأحزاب والإعلام”.
وفيما يتعلق بإغلاق الجلسة الثانية من الحوار وعدم بثها على الهواء مباشرة, قال دراجي “لم يكن هناك أي قرار يهدف لشيء فقد شاهدت الجلسة مساء أمس على التلفزيون السوري فربما كان هناك نقاش تقني أكثر منه نقاش سياسي”.
وأضاف دراجي” كنا نأمل حضور الجميع ولكن لو غابت بعض الوجوه فإن الأفكار كانت حاضرة، وتحدثنا بالأمس عن كل ما يجري في الشارع السوري ، ونأمل اليوم أن ننتقل لمستوى أكثر من تشخيص الواقع يتجسد باقتراح الحلول، فهناك كلمات كالإصلاح والحرية يرى البعض أنها واضحة ولكن باعتقادي أنها تحتاج لجدول زمني واضح للتطبيق”.
من جهته, دعا الدكتور طيب تيزيني لسيريانيوز إلى “ضرورة أن يكون بث الجلسات علنياً على الشاشات”, مضيفا “من حق الشعب أن تبث هذه الجلسات علناً فهو سيعلم من نحن وسيحاكمنا ويدخل بحالة الحوار، أما الخروج بقرارات وإعطاؤها للشعب فإن هذا لا يضفي المصداقية”.
ولفت تيزيني إلى أن “عدم بث الحوار يعود إلى وجود جهات لا ترغب بأن تكشف القوى الحقيقية في البلد، وبالتالي الأدوات السياسية التي كانت مهيمنة تظل باقية، وهذا يتعارض مع سبب وجودنا هنا وما ندعو إليه” .
وشدد تيزيني على “ضرورة البدء فوراً بالإصلاح ووقف نزيف الدم”, قائلا “الآن وليس غداً نحنا بحجة لقرارات على الأرض، لكني ألاحظ أنهم لا يهتمون، فقد طالبت مراراً وتكراراً بكف السلاح وتحريم الرصاص فمن العار أن يقتل طفل سوري برصاص سوري”.
وكان قد حمل تيزيني يوم الأحد السلطة مسؤولية عدم القدرة على جذب الآخرين للقاء لعدم توفيرها المناخ الملائم للحوار الأمر الذي اعتبره خطيئة كبرى” محذراً إياها من اللف والدوران، مبيناً أن هذا اللقاء بقدر ما سيتمتع من مصداقية وجرأة فإنه سيستطيع جذب فئات معارضة انقطعت الثقة بينها وبين النظام منذ زمن.
بدورها, قالت المستشارة السياسية والاعلامية في رئاسة الجمهورية بثينة شعبان “كما قال السيد حسن م يوسف البارحة كان هناك جوع للحوار فالحضور أرادوا أن يدلوا بآرائهم، فجلسة البارحة كانت عبارة عن ساحة مفتوحة للحوار وكان من المفيد أن نستمع ونتكلم”.
وحول موقف الغالبية المعارضة التي رفضت الدخول بحوار ما لم يتم توفير مناخ ملائم له, أوضحت شعبان “لا استطيع القول أن المعارضة قاطعت الجلسة، فهناك أطراف كثيرة كانت موجودة في الداخل من الطيف المعارض، وتكلمت بسقف معارض، وتشكل نسبتهم على الأقل 50% من المشاركين”.
وقاطع المؤتمر كل من “لجنة متابعة توصيات اللقاء التشاوري” الذي جرى الاثنين قبل الماضي, وهيئة التنسيق الوطني, مبررين ذلك بان السلطات لم تأخذ إطلاقا باقتراحاتهم السابقة” المتعلقة بتأمين “مناخ مناسب للحوار”.
ولفتت شعبان إلى أنه “ما اتفق عليه البارحة أنه كلنا معارضون للخطأ ومؤيدون للصواب، وأعتقد أن هذا شعار الجلسة فمعظم المتحدثين تكلموا عن سورية الجديدة وكانوا ممثلين لكافة أطياف الشعب السوري”.
وفيما يتعلق بالمشاركين, أوضح عضو مجلس الشعب السابق عبد السلام راجح لسيريانيوز “لابد أن نكون واضحين، ففي البداية أنا لست جزءاً من الهيئة وأشارك في اللقاء بصفتي جزء من الوطن والشعب، فالهيئة دعت الجميع, تحفظ البعض على حضور اللقاء لعدم توفر المناخ الملائم له هذا حق لهم، ولكن قلت سابقاً أن المناخ نحن من نخلقه وعندما تطالب المعارضة بمناخات ملائمة للمشاركة، ولكن إذا لم تتوفر إمكانية تحقيقها مباشرة، فهذا يعني أننا حريصون على تحقيقها وإن كان الأمر يستوجب خطوة بخطوة، لأننا معنيون بتحقيق هذه المناخات وإن تبدت إرهاصاتها ابتداء، فهناك نوايا مخلصة لتوفيرها”.
وتابع الراجح “أنا واثق من أننا معنيون أن تستمع للطرف الآخر، فالمعارضة محقة ولكن أيضاً الهيئة محقة لأنها حرصت ضمن الطاقات المهيأة والصلاحيات الممنوحة أن تحقيق معادلة البيئة والمناخ الملائم للحوار, ولكن ذلك يستدعي تنسيق جهود وأدعو الجميع إلى تنسيق الجهود للوصول أدعو لتنسيق الجهود للوصول إلى الآلية المطلوبة لأننا حريصون على وجود الطيف المعارضون وهو طيف وطني في هذه التظاهرة الحوارية الوطنية”.
من جهته, قال عضو القيادة القطرية لحزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي ياسر حورية لسيريانيوز “في الجلسة نوقش موضوع التعديلات الدستورية وإمكانية صياغة دستور جديد، وكما هو معروف أن صياغة الدستور يحتاج وقتاً طويلاً حيث يتم تشكيل هيئة، فالأسرع هو التعديلات كون الشارع يريد أن يطمئن بأن سورية تسير نحو التعددية الحزبية”.
ولفت حورية إلى أن “النقاش دار حول المادة الثامنة وطالب البعض ببقائها وآخرون دعوا لإلغائها نهائياً وما زال النقاش دائراً”, مشيراً إلى أن “احد المشاركين طالب ايضا بتعديل المادة المتعلقة بدين رئيس الدولة”.
وعن موقف حزب البعث من إلغاء المادة الثامنة, قال حورية “الحزب لم يحسم أمره بعد، والمسألة بحاجة لمناقشات عديدة، وربما يعقد مؤتمراً أو يتم دعوة اللجنة المركزية للحزب لبحث الموضوع، وهناك القليل من الوقت أمامنا لاتخاذ موقف محدد، وبما أن الشعب هو مصدر السلطة من الممكن أن يتم إجراء استفتاء شعبي متعلق بالمادة ليقرر حينها ما يريد بدوره”.
وتنص المادة الثامنة من دستور الجمهورية العربية السورية ان حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي هو الحزب القائد للدولة والمجتمع.
بدوره, قال رئيس شبكة الفجر الإخبارية في الأردن جميل المومني لسيريانيوز دعينا لهذا المؤتمر كوننا حياديين ولا علاقة لنا بنظام أو بسلطة، وأنا أرى أن هذا الحوار هو الخطوة الأولى في الاتجاه الصحيح، فهو يتيح مساحة واسعة للنقاش والتآخي، و يمثل كافة أطياف الشارع السوري، فالمعارضون فئة قليلة والمؤيدين فئة كبيرة، وهذا يعود إلى وعي الشعب السوري فهو شعب ذكي وقادر على الخلق والإبداع فهو يعرف أن الشعارات التي تطلقها الإدارة الأمريكية وبعض الأنظمة العربية الذيلية هي عبارة عن بوابة استغلال بعض الفئات واستخدامها كأدوات من أجل تصنيع الجرائم والخراب، وكون سورية النظام الوحيد المقاوم فمن الطبيعي أن يستهدف لمحاولات إضعافه والتضييق عليه”.
وحول قدرة هذا المؤتمر أن يخرج سورية من الأزمة التي تعيشها, قال الدكتور عماد الشعيبي لسيريانيوز “لقد بدأنا الحوار وهو الطريق الوحيد لسوريا الجديدة، وإن منطلق (الخرباوي) أي إن لم تخرب لن تعمر، منطق يمكن أن يؤدي لكوارث لا أحد يرضى بها، ولا يعتقد أحد أن هناك التفاف على التغيير، فقطار التغيير قد انطلق ولا أعتقد أن أحداً يستطيع إيقافه على الإطلاق”.
وصدر في الأول من شهر حزيران الماضي قرار جمهوري يقضي بتشكيل هيئة تكون مهمتها وضع الأسس لحوار وطني وتحديد آلية عمله وبرنامجه الزمني، حيث تعقد اجتماعاتها بشكل دوري وفق خطة عمل مدروسة وآليات محددة وجداول زمنية.
يشار إلى أن مدن سورية عدة تشهد منذ نحو 4 أشهر مظاهرات تتركز أيام الجمعة تنادي بالحرية وشعارات سياسية مناهضة للنظام, تزامنت مع سقوط شهداء مدنيين وعسكريين وعناصر امن, حملت السلطات مسؤولية هذا الأمر لجماعات مسلحة, فيما يتهم نشطاء حقوقيون السلطات باستخدام العنف لإسكات هذه المظاهرات.
سيريانيوز
http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=134855
July 11th, 2011, 11:52 am
majedkhaldoon said:
Nour
Thank you I know that you are patriotic,and and yes Dr, Ali Haider is a good man.
July 11th, 2011, 11:55 am
873 said:
71. louai said:
‘Le Monde reports that eggs, tomatoes and other food were thrown for 31 hours on the US and French embassy in Damascus.
Veggies are much better than throwing Depleted Uranium. I thought the NWO was pro-green? DU is now all over the middle east. Fitna Ford needs to spend his money on better things. His own country is self-destructing and soon he will need to find work doing other things.
July 11th, 2011, 11:59 am
Aboud said:
@83 Excellent sentiments Nour. I agree with every word you wrote.
July 11th, 2011, 12:07 pm
Akbar Palace said:
Has anyone else noticed how the Baathists rarely articulate an argument? They just curse people who’s ideas they do not like.
AIG,
As the GEICO commercials say, “Does a rolling stone grow moss?”
July 11th, 2011, 12:09 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
#80.
ersatz pusRAel has many dreams – all the same: stealing.
its last and it’s coming soon will be a bit different – dying.
for the fakes a nightmare.
for the world a sweet dream.
July 11th, 2011, 12:14 pm
873 said:
86. Louai,
Please think long and hard about Syrian citizenship requirements. Letting dual-nationals into America was the Trojan Horse of inside subversion that destroyed USA. This is an old list, and only a tiny fragment- of the treasoners who dragged USA into wars for Israel, the country these spies really serve. Beware.
Michael Mukasey
Recently appointed as US Attorney General. Mukasey also was the judge in the litigation between developer Larry Silverstein and several insurance companies arising from the destruction of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001.
Michael ChertoffMichael Chertoff
Former Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, at the Justice Department; now head of Homeland Security.
Richard PerleRichard Perle
One of Bush’s foreign policy advisors, he is the chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board. A very likely Israeli government agent, Perle was expelled from Senator Henry Jackson’s office in the 1970’s after the National Security Agency (NSA) caught him passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy. He later worked for the Israeli weapons firm, Soltam. Perle came from one the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktanks, the AEI. Perle is one of the leading pro-Israeli fanatics leading this Iraq war mongering within the administration and now in the media.
Paul WolfowitzPaul Wolfowitz
Former Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle’s Defense Policy Board, in the Pentagon. Wolfowitz is a close associate of Perle, and reportedly has close ties to the Israeli military. His sister lives in Israel. Wolfowitz came from the above mentioned Jewish thinktank, JINSA. Wolfowitz was the number two leader within the administration behind this Iraq war mongering. He later was appointed head of the World Bank but resigned under pressure from World Bank members over a scandal involving his misuse of power.
Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
The former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst with expertise in Iranian policy issues who worked in the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and reported directly to Feith’s deputy, William Luti, was sentenced January 20, 2006, “to more than 12 years in prison for giving classified information to an Israeli diplomat” and members of the pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Franklin will “remain free while the government continues with the wider case” and his “prison time could be sharply reduced in return for his help in prosecuting” former AIPAC members Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, [who] are scheduled to go on trial in April [2006]. Franklin admitted that he met periodically with Rosen and Weissman between 2002 and 2004 and discussed classified information, including information about potential attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq. Rosen and Weissman would later share what they learned with reporters and Israeli officials.” (source: sourcewatch.com).
Douglas FeithDouglas Feith
Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor at the Pentagon. He is a close associate of Perle and served as his Special Counsel. Like Perle and the others, Feith is a pro-Israel extremist, who has advocated anti-Arab policies in the past. He is closely associated with the extremist group, the Zionist Organization of America, which even attacks Jews that don’t agree with its extremist views. Feith frequently speaks at ZOA conferences. Feith runs a small law firm, Feith and Zell, which only has one International office, in Israel. The majority of their legal work is representing Israeli interests. His firm’s own website stated, prior to his appointment, that Feith “represents Israeli Armaments Manufacturer.” Feith basically represents the Israeli War Machine. Feith also came from the Jewish thinktank JINSA. Feith, like Perle and Wolfowitz, are campaigning hard for this Israeli proxy war against Iraq.
Feith was investigated by the FBI under suspicion of leaking classified information to Israel, being that he was Larry Franklin’s boss when Franklin leaked those documents to Rosen and Weissman of AIPAC. For that he was forced to leave the National Security Council. Feith was also investigated by the Senate Intelligence Committee for sexing up ‘intelligence’ that was used to justify invading Iraq.
Edward LuttwakEdward Luttwak
Member of the National Security Study Group of the Department of Defence at the Pentagon. Luttwak is reportedly an Israeli citizen and has taught in Israel. He frequently writes for Israeli and pro-Israeli newspapers and journals. Luttwak is an Israeli extremist whose main theme in many of his articles is the necessity of the U.S. waging war against Iraq and Iran.
Henry KissingerHenry Kissinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Kissinger sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle. For detailed information about Kissinger’s evil past, read Seymour Hersch’s book (Price of Power: Kissinger in the Nixon White House). Kissinger likely had a part in the Watergate crimes, Southeast Asia mass murders (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos), Installing Chilean mass murdering dictator Pinochet, Operation Condor’s mass killings in South America, and more recently served as Serbia’s Ex-Dictator Slobodan Milosevic’s Advisor. He consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Kissinger is the Ariel Sharon of the U.S. Unfortunately, President Bush nominated Kissinger as chairman of the September 11 investigating commission. It’s like picking a bank robber to investigate a fraud scandal. He later declined this job under enormous protests.
Dov ZakheimDov Zakheim
Dov Zakheim is an ordained rabbi and reportedly holds Israeli citizenship. Zakheim attended Jew’s College in London and became an ordained Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in 1973. He was adjunct professor at New York’s Jewish Yeshiva University. Zakheim is close to the Israeli lobby.
Dov Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co-author of the Project for the New American Century’s position paper, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations.
He was appointed by Bush as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as mentioned, was buried under 9-11’s rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim’s watch. We can only guess where that cash went.
Despite these suspicions, on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense.
Judicial Inc’s bio of Dov tells us Zakheim is a dual Israeli/American citizen and has been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel’s armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.
Kenneth Adelman
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Adelman also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle, and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Adelman frequently is a guest on Fox News, and often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. Through his racism or ignorance, he actually called Arabs “anti-Semitic” on Fox News (11/28/2001), when he could have looked it up in the dictionary to find out that Arabs by definition are Semites.
I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby
Vice President Dick Cheney’s ex-Chief of Staff. As chief pro-Israel Jewish advisor to Cheney, it helps explains why Cheney is so gun-ho to invade Iran. Libby is longtime associate of Wolfowitz. Libby was also a lawyer for convicted felon and Israeli spy Marc Rich, whom Clinton pardoned, in his last days as president. Libby was recently found guilty of lying to Federal investigators in the Valerie Plame affair, in which Plame, a covert CIA agent, was exposed for political revenge by the Bush administration following her husband’s revelations about the lies leading to the Iraq War.
Robert SatloffRobert Satloff
U.S. National Security Council Advisor, Satloff was the executive director of the Israeli lobby’s “think tank,” Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Many of the Israeli lobby’s “experts” come from this front group, like Martin Indyk.
Elliott AbramsElliott Abrams
National Security Council Advisor. He previously worked at Washington-based “Think Tank” Ethics and Public Policy Center. During the Reagan Adminstration, Abrams was the Assistant Secretary of State, handling, for the most part, Latin American affairs. He played an important role in the Iran-Contra Scandal, which involved illegally selling U.S. weapons to Iran to fight Iraq, and illegally funding the contra rebels fighting to overthrow Nicaragua’s Sandinista government. He also actively deceived three congressional committees about his involvement and thereby faced felony charges based on his testimony. Abrams pled guilty in 1991 to two misdemeanors and was sentenced to a year’s probation and 100 hours of community service. A year later, former President Bush (Senior) granted Abrams a full pardon. He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Reagan Administration’s State Department.
Marc GrossmanMarc Grossman
Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He was Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources at the Department of State. Grossman is one of many of the pro-Israel Jewish officials from the Clinton Administration that Bush has promoted to higher posts.
Richard Haass
Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Ambassador at large. He is also Director of National Security Programs and Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He was one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the first Bush (Sr) Administration who sat on the National Security Council, and who consistently advocated going to war against Iraq. Haass is also a member of the Defense Department’s National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.
Robert Zoellick
U.S. Trade Representative, a cabinet-level position. He is also one of the more hawkish pro-Israel Jews in the Bush (Jr) Administration who advocated invading Iraq and occupying a portion of the country in order to set up a Vichy-style puppet government. He consistently advocates going to war against Iran.
Ari Fleischer
Ex- White House Spokesman for the Bush (Jr) Administration. Prominent in the Jewish community, some reports state that he holds Israeli citizenship. Fleischer is closely connected to the extremist Jewish group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics, who follow the Qabala, and hold very extremist and insulting views of non-Jews. Fleischer was the co-president of Chabad’s Capitol Jewish Forum. He received the Young Leadership Award from the American Friends of Lubavitch in October, 2001.
James Schlesinger
One of many Pentagon Advisors, Schlesinger also sits on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor, who supported going to war against Iraq. Schlesinger is also a commissioner of the Defense Department’s National Security Study Group, at the Pentagon.
David Frum
White House speechwriter behind the “Axis of Evil” label. He lumped together all the lies and accusations against Iraq for Bush to justify the war.
Joshua Bolten
White House Deputy Chief of Staff, Bolten was previously a banker, former legislative aide, and prominent in the Jewish community.
John Bolton
Former UN Representative and Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. Bolton is also a Senior Advisor to President Bush. Prior to this position, Bolton was Senior Vice President of the above mentioned pro-Israel thinktank, AEI. He recently (October 2002) accused Syria of having a nuclear program, so that they can attack Syria after Iraq. He must have forgotten that Israel has 400 nuclear warheads, some of which are thermonuclear weapons (according to a recent U.S. Air Force report).
David Wurmser
Special Assistant to John Bolton (above), the under-secretary for arms control and international security. Wurmser also worked at the AEI with Perle and Bolton. His wife, Meyrav Wurmser, along with Colonel Yigal Carmon, formerly of Israeli military intelligence, co-founded the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri),a Washington-based Israeli outfit which distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs in a bad light.
Eliot Cohen
Member of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board under Perle and is another extremist pro-Israel advisor. Like Adelman, he often expresses extremist and often ridiculus anti-Arab and anti-Muslim views. More recently, he wrote an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal openly admitting his rascist hatred of Islam claiming that Islam should be the enemy, not terrorism.
Mel Sembler
President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States. A Prominent Jewish Republican and Former National Finance Chairman of the Republican National Committee. The Export-Import Bank facilitates trade relationships between U.S. businesses and foreign countries, specifically those with financial problems.
Steve Goldsmith
Senior Advisor to the President, and Bush’s Jewish domestic policy advisor. He also served as liaison in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI) within the Executive Office of the President. He was the former mayor of Indianapolis. He is also friends with Israeli Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert and often visits Israel to coach mayors on privatization initiatives.
Adam Goldman
White House’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community.
Joseph Gildenhorn
Bush Campaign’s Special Liaison to the Jewish Community. He was the DC finance chairman for the Bush campaign, as well as campaign coordinator, and former ambassador to Switzerland.
Christopher Gersten
Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families at HHS. Gersten was the former Executive Director of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Husband of Labor Secretary.
Mark Weinberger
Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs.
Samuel Bodman
Deputy Secretary of Commerce. He was the Chairman and CEO of Cabot Corporation in Boston, Massachusetts.
Bonnie Cohen
Under Secretary of State for Management.
Ruth Davis
Director of Foreign Service Institute, who reports to the Office of Under Secretary for Management. This Office is responsible for training all Department of State staff (including ambassadors).
Daniel Kurtzer
Ambassador to Israel.
Cliff Sobel
Ambassador to the Netherlands.
Stuart Bernstein
Ambassador to Denmark.
Nancy Brinker
Ambassador to Hungary
Frank Lavin
Ambassador to Singapore.
Ron Weiser
Ambassador to Slovakia.
Mel Sembler
Ambassador to Italy.
Martin Silverstein
Ambassador to Uruguay.
Lincoln Bloomfield
Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs.
Jay Lefkowitz
Deputy Assistant to the President and Director of the Domestic Policy Council.
Ken Melman
White House Political Director.
Brad Blakeman
White House Director of Scheduling.
I don’t know about you, but dual citizenship is fine with me for an ordinary citizen. But if you hold an official position that demands that you put American interests above all else — if you should look transparent and fair to the rest of the world regarding your formation of Middle East foreign policies, then this is a dangerous trend. Even if there were no pro-Israeli agenda, the fact that decision makers have a bias or an allegiance to one of the parties involved in the current conflict should have raised red flags long before now.
If you think we’re being unfair here, ask yourself: How you would react to the Head of Homeland Security if he or she were a dual national with citizenship in Iran, Lebanon or Saudi Arabia? Ask yourself why you don’t feel the same about Israeli dual citizenship. Then you will understand how powerful the Israeli lobby has been in “adjusting” your acceptance of their special status.
July 11th, 2011, 12:17 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
#90.
“His own country is self-destructing and soon he will need to find work doing other things.”
President Asad will offer him a position collecting garbage.
more than the ambassador deserves.
July 11th, 2011, 12:19 pm
why-discuss said:
AIG
#48
Blurp
July 11th, 2011, 12:28 pm
AIG said:
WD,
What would you expect from a die hard Batthist except a “blurp”? No wonder Syria is one of the most backward countries in the world. You would be told: Perhaps Syria needs freedom of speech and better education? And your answer: Blurp. And then you throw the person in jail and torture him. How are the “blurps” working for you? Are they making Syria any stronger or freer or with more dignity? Or are they just an indication of how bankrupt your action and attitudes are?
July 11th, 2011, 12:38 pm
AIG said:
873,
Keep quoting from antisemitic sites. You are a true racist and also a coward. Why don’t you quote where you take your vile postings from?
This is where your latest came from:
http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/159758
You write nothing original just re-post lies you find on the internet.
July 11th, 2011, 12:45 pm
873 said:
94. 5 dancing shlomos,
Maybe Ford can use his dual passport like the Russian Oligarchs, and when the plundering is done, get a job for Mossad or the many AIPAC-America think tanks like WINEP, AEI etc. Remember that fool UN Amb John Bolton, who the Israelis called “our fifth man at the Israel Embassy” or some such treason? Bolton was also the whore who said the proudest moment of his career was not what he had done for his alleged country, but what he’d done for Israel, which was to overturn the UN Res equating zionism to racism. American patriot alright.
July 11th, 2011, 12:52 pm
873 said:
97. AIG,
[Edited for insults and racism]
Actually the website is here:
http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
July 11th, 2011, 12:56 pm
AIG said:
873,
[Edited for insult.] John Bolton said his proudest moment was regarding the Rome Statute:
http://www.responsibilitytoprotect.org/index.php/crises/128-the-crisis-in-burma/1953-john-boltonaspirations-dont-make-foreign-policy
July 11th, 2011, 1:03 pm
AIG said:
873,
Yes, keep quoting out of racist sites. So are you also against Syrians in the US having dual citizenship’s? Or just Jews?
You are a xenophobe trying to peddle your vile racism.
July 11th, 2011, 1:10 pm
jad said:
Moderator,
Is it ok for #100 to personal attack 873?
Do your job and edit this please “You are a racist liar.”
Another thing, you didn’t edit when #100 called someone’s mother ‘A prostitute’, why?
July 11th, 2011, 1:10 pm
Akbar Palace said:
AIG,
The overwhelming majority of pro-Israelis are Christians, due to their large numbers (Jews are only ~2% of the US population).
Are these Christians “Israel Firsters”? Do THEY have dual loyalties to Israel or the UK or France or Ireland for that matter?
No, they’re just pro-Israel, and John Bolton is one of many of these pro-Israel Christians…
July 11th, 2011, 1:13 pm
AIG said:
873,
You call me: “sayan filth that flame broils little kids for a living”
Do you have any proof that I broil kids for a living? Or are you making a bigoted and racist remark just because I am Israeli?
July 11th, 2011, 1:14 pm
AIG said:
Jad,
Why exactly are you trying to help someone who consistently quotes racists and xenophobic sites?
July 11th, 2011, 1:15 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
93. 873
quick scan of the list and info seems to be accurate and is a good reminder to each of us.
even when new(and as you stated), the list was incomplete. many, many more names of duals where left off.
just a very few (pols, media, business, academia): joe lieberman, shumer, ros-lehtinen, blitzer, cantor, lowey, kristol, ledeen, chomsky, dershowitz, t. friedman, j. miller, w. safire, c.krauthamer, r. emanuel, kagans, s. adelson.
July 11th, 2011, 1:16 pm
jad said:
شو هالشعب يلي ما بيعرف غير يكون ضحية ويشحد من شئفة سفير أجنبي انو عطيني حقوقي يابا! يا سلام, شي بيرفع الراس.
السفير الفرنسي شوفالييه متل الاطرش بالزفة
http://youtu.be/JR16CwCJonM
“بدهن يقنعوا السفير الفرنسي بانهم مسالمون وهو شكله خائف , الاخ الدكتور المتخرج من يوغوسلافيا منزعج لانه راجع 4 فروع امنية من اجل وظيفة والاخر الزعيم الذي لا يظهر بالكميرا يتلقي هاتفا على اللاسكلي يعلمه ان هناك تحركات للجيش مسالمين بس هذه المرة اسلحتهم مخباة, ياترى هل تنظلي على السفير هذه الالاعيب , وشو تدخل رئيس العصابة محدثا الدكتور يطلب منه ان ينقل لهم ان من احرق المباني الحكومية هم الجيش ليلصقوا التهمة بهم, مع ان الدكتور الافندي خريج يوغوسلافيا ومدري شو اسم الجامعة كل حديثه كان بالعربي, بس اغبياء”
July 11th, 2011, 1:18 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
self declaring oneself a christian doesnt work. empty words are that – empty.
a christian cannot be a zionist. a zionist cannot be a christian. oxymorons.
they are old testament jews looking for magic via british -sraelite translations, code-searching, and schofield bible manipulations.
definitely not christian.
July 11th, 2011, 1:21 pm
majedkhaldoon said:
Syria is accused of threatening people work in Aljazeera
July 11th, 2011, 1:23 pm
Akbar Palace said:
Baathism’s Greatest Achievement
AIG,
re: #104
Expect another “blurp” for an answer…
5 Dancing Ahmads,
I wouldn’t even toy with the notion that someone can’t believe in what they want to believe. I guess I’m used to living with freedom of religion and freedom of thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Jad,
I could also say that if you “cared about Syrians”, you would welcome the protesters calls for freedom.
July 11th, 2011, 1:23 pm
jad said:
Because your discussion is so freaking repeated and so freaking boring and nobody is interested in reading your or his nonsense on SC, so take this side conversations and your spam comments somewhere else since we want to talk about Syria with Syrians/foreigners who genuinely CARE of Syria unlike some fake and provocative people.
July 11th, 2011, 1:26 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
Ikwanji greatest achievement
جنة حور العين
July 11th, 2011, 1:33 pm
jad said:
‘Dialogue’ is a always good:
Today:
لقاءات مع المشاركين في الحوار الوطني
http://youtu.be/JFYRpQUN2cA
Yesterday:
لقاءات مع المشاركين في الحوار الوطني 1
http://youtu.be/L4RnGpqakxE
Dear Nour,
Regarding the new party you linked the other day, Thank you, I’m all for such movements that organize people’s ideas and visions, that what should be the solution, organize the youth in the street through unions, parties and organizations…otherwise the streets as Mr. Alkadi wrote, ‘Disintegration’ is the worst outcome for all Syrians, regardless who they support.
July 11th, 2011, 1:33 pm
AIG said:
Jad,
Whoever is not interested in reading my posts, can just skip them. Nobody is forced to read anyone’s posts.
It seems that only people that disagree with you are “fake and provocative” while those that agree with you are welcome. I am posting on this site more years than most people. Calling my interest in Syria and concern for its people “fake” is an outright lie.
My impression is that you want to control the discussion to go in your direction. Well, pluralism ain’t like that.
July 11th, 2011, 1:34 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
Mexico Provokes Israel with Historical Question
Al-Manar – July 11, 2011
“Amid Israel’s uninterrupted efforts to manipulate history and conceal historical events, the entity has started interfering in the educational system of some countries.
Israel caused internal trouble in Mexico over a national geography exam question about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Zionist website Ynetnews reported that “a geography question was raised focusing on the economic reasons for the Israel-Palestinian conflict. It included the following answers: “The Jewish community used biased and racist methods against the Arab population when the State of Israel was founded”, and “Israel uses its military superiority to control borders, roads, airspace and maritime space.”
The Israeli community in Mexico was outraged, considering that the exam questions were biased against Israel. As a result, Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon raised the issue with his Mexican counterpart, urging Mexico’s Education Ministry to present an official apology.”
one of the projects in iraq is to re interpret history from actual to favor israel.
the same is intended syria.
u.s. history books (mostly likely all western countries) have been manipulated and altered to favor the jews and israel.
god forbid truth be told re the collective and its gangster, war criminal state.
July 11th, 2011, 1:35 pm
AIG said:
5 DANCING SHLOMOS,
Here is the full and correct story.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4093533,00.html
In fact the Mexican government apologized for its mistake.
July 11th, 2011, 1:41 pm
jad said:
رجال أمن فرنسيون يطلقون النار على المعتصمين أمام السفارة بدمشق
تواصلت الاحتجاجات الشعبية أمام السفارتين الأميركية والفرنسية على خلفية زيارة السفيرين الأمريكي والفرنسي لمدينة حماة يوم الجمعة الماضي التي أثارت رد فعل حاد لدى عموم الشعب السوري لكونها تشكل تدخلا سافرا في الشأن الداخلي السوري.
وتجمع منذ صباح اليوم أمام السفارتين الأمريكية والفرنسية مئات السوريين الرافضين تدخل السفيرين بالشؤون الداخلية. وبحسب ما نقلته قناة “الإخبارية السورية” فإن رجال أمن فرنسين اطلقوا النار على المعتصمين، كما وردت أنباء عن قيامهم باحتجاز عدد من المعتصمين داخل السفارة واعتدوا عليهم بالضرب ليطلقوا سراحهم بعد فترة من الوقت.
وأمام السفارة الأمريكية كان المشهد مماثلا حيث قام رجال أمن أمريكيون بإطلاق الغاز المسيل للدموع على المعتصمين من داخل السفارة، الأمر الذي دفع بعدد من المعتصمين إلى رفع العلم السوري على السفارة الأمريكية بدمشق.
http://www.shukumaku.com/Content.php?id=29826
July 11th, 2011, 1:42 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
deceased falwell a prime example of a “christian” zionist who was an examplar of absolutely nothing christian.
but
he did have old testament jewish values: violence, vengeance, deceit, trickery, injustice, inequality, genocide.
qualities found in abundance from israel and zionized amurderka.
if any one wants to contact falwell, call hell.
July 11th, 2011, 1:43 pm
jad said:
إطلاق رصاص من السفارة الفرنسية بدمشق لتفريق اعتصام لمواطنين في محيطها
كشف مصدر في الشرطة لسيريانيوز يوم الاثنين عن إطلاق نار من داخل السفارة الفرنسية باتجاه العشرات من السوريين المعتصمين أمام السفارة احتجاجا على زيارة السفير الفرنسي إلى حماة بهدف تفريقهم, فيما لم يتسن لسيريانيوز الاتصال بالسفارة الفرنسية لمعرفة ملابسات الموضوع.
وقال مصدر في الشرطة (رفض الكشف عن اسمه) لسيريانيوز أنه “تم إطلاق الرصاص من داخل السفارة الفرنسية خلال اعتصام العشرات من السورين أمام السفارة وذلك بهدف تفريق المعتصمين من محيط المنطقة”.
وكان العشرات من السوريين اعتصموا أمام مبنى السفارة, تأييدا للرئيس بشار الأسد واحتجاجا على زيارة السفير الفرنسي إلى مدينة حماه الجمعة الماضية.
بدوره, أكد جهاد (أحد المعتصمين) لسيريانيوز أن “موظفي السفارة قاموا برش ماء “القطرونة الحارقة” من داخل السفارة على المعتصمين لتفريقهم”، مشيراً إلى أنه “عند محاولة أحد المعتصمين رفع العلم السوري على حائط السفارة وقع إطلاق الرصاص وأصيب اثنان من المعتصمين تم نقلهم إلى المشفى”.
وأضاف أنه “بعد إطلاق الرصاص بدأ المعتصمون برشق مبنى السفارة بالحجارة, ما أدى لتدخل قوات حفظ النظام لفض الاشتباك وتفريق المعتصمين، فيما نتج على الاشتباك وقوع بعض الأضرار المادية بمبنى السفارة”.
من جهته, نفى أحد أصحاب المحال المجاورة للسفارة (رافضاً الكشف عن اسمه) “وقوع أية إصابات”, مؤكداً أن “إطلاق الرصاص كان في الهواء لإبعاد أحد المعتصمين والذي حاول تسلق أحد جدران السفارة”.
ولم يتسن لسيريانيوز الاتصال بالسفارة الفرنسية بدمشق لمعرفة ملابسات هذا الأمر, على الرغم من محاولاتنا المستمرة للاتصال بها.
ويأتي هذا الأمر بعد يوم على قيام وزارة الخارجية الفرنسية، باستدعاء السفيرة السورية في باريس لمياء شكور، احتجاجا على مظاهرات لمواطنين سوريين وصفتها بـ “العنيفة” أمام مقار دبلوماسية فرنسية في حلب ودمشق احتجاجا على زيارة سفيرها إلى مدينة حماه الجمعة الماضية.
كما نقلت وكالة (رويترز) للأنباء عن الخارجية الفرنسية قولها، في بيان لها، إننا “نحمل السلطات السورية المسؤولية عن أمن دبلوماسيينا ومبانينا الدبلوماسية”.
وكانت احتجاجات شعبية ورسمية واسعة جاءت ردا على زيارة كلا من السفير الأميركي روبرت فورد، والسفير الفرنسي ايريك شوفالييه إلى مدينة حماة يوم الجمعة الماضية، خاصة أن السفيرين لم يحصلا على الإذن الرسمي للتواجد في حماه، حيث تواجدا في مظاهرة المدينة التي شارك فيها الآلاف.
سيريانيوز
http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=134858
July 11th, 2011, 1:45 pm
5 dancing shlomos said:
116
called pressure. truth is always against israel. that’s why pressure is applied.
truth can stand on its own. lies cannot.
israel and its existence its stories its history are all lies that need force to push them onto others.
post still holds. same for america, the west, iraq.
July 11th, 2011, 1:46 pm
jad said:
To Ehsani 🙂
الدردري مستشاراً للجنة الاقتصادية في “الاسكوا”
باشر نائب رئيس مجلس الوزراء للشؤون الاقتصادية في الحكومة السابقة عبد الله الدردري صباح الاثنين 11/7/2011، عمله الجديد كمستشار رئيسي في اللجنة الاقتصادية والاجتماعية لغرب آسيا التابعة للأمم المتحدة “الاسكوا ” في بيروت.
وذكر موقع سيريانديز أن الدردري سبق له وتعامل مع الأمم المتحدة كنائب الممثل المقيم لبرنامج الأمم المتحدة الانمائي في سورية قبل تعيينه رئيساً لهيئة تخطيط الدولة في 2003، ومن ثم نائباً لرئيس مجلس الوزراء للشؤون الاقتصادية مابين 2005 -2011، وعمل الدردري بعد ترك المنصب محاضراً في المعهد الوطني للإدارة والمعهد العالي لإدارة الأعمال، ولم يتسنى له أن يكون سفيراً سوريا في انقرة بعد توارد معلومات عن ترشحه لهذا المنصب.
July 11th, 2011, 1:47 pm
daleandersen said:
Question
If I learn to dance the jitterbug and the lindy hop and start calling WHY-DISCUSS & 873 “Jews” and “zionists,” can I join the DANCING SCHLOMOS? I think it would be really cool to go to cocktail parties with a name tag that reads “Hi, I’m a Dancing Schlomo.”
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/05/hitler-and-arabs-nazis-in-middle-east.html
July 11th, 2011, 1:50 pm
jad said:
More for you Ehsani
شركات جديدة قيد الإدراج في بورصة دمشق
قال المدير التنفيذي لسوق دمشق للأوراق المالية الدكتور مأمون حمدان :إن شركة الاتحاد العربي للتأمين حصلت على الموافقة الأولية للإدراج في بورصة دمشق وخلال أسبوعين سيتم إدراجها في السوق، وإن الشركة الكويتية للتأمين أعطت مهمة محددة للإدراج ونتمنى أن تلتزم بالمهلة المحددة.
وأضاف حمدان: إن إدارة السوق تتابع بشكل يومي الشركات المساهمة لبيان الرغبة في الإدراج وقد تم الاتصال بشركة إسمنت البادية والطريق مفتوح لدى هذه الشركة للإدراج بعد أن ألغت عملية استدعاء القسط الأخير من الرأسمال.
وعن حدوث اختلاف في قيم أسهم الشركات المدرجة بعد تجزئة الأسهم وانعكاس هذه العملية على المستثمرين بيّن حمدان أنه ما دامت هناك شركات مدرجة لم تقم بتجزئة أسهمها، فإن الاختلاف في القيم الاسمية سيبقى موجوداً، وإن من إحدى مزايا التجزئة توحيد القيمة الاسمية لجميع الأسهم لتصبح 100 ليرة سورية وبهذا سيصبح المستثمر قادراً أكثر على المقارنة بين أسعار الأسهم السوقية، ولكن المستثمر هو بالطبع على علم بالاختلافات بين القيم الاسمية للأسهم وإن شركة الوساطة والمحللين الماليين وإفصاحات الشركات توضح ذلك.
وأوضح حمدان أنه خلال أسبوعين سوف تقوم الشركات المساهمة المدرجة بإصدار البيانات المالية النصف سنوية، وفي ضوء هذه البيانات سوف يتمكن المستثمر من الاطلاع بصورة أدق على أوضاع هذه الشركات، مع أنه خلال الربع الأول من هذا العام كانت البيانات المالية جيدة والآن فإن معظم الأسهم المدرجة قيمتها السوقية أدنى من الدفترية، وبالمقابل فإن السوق الآن بحالة مقبولة ويستطيع من خسر سابقاً أن يعوض خسارته ومن يرد أن يستثمر فالفرصة الآن سانحة، وقد نصحنا المستثمرين منذ البداية بعدم اتخاذ قرار البيع إلا بعد الدراسة السليمة وبالفعل من انتظر ولم يقم بالبيع مسبقاً يعوض خسارته الآن بل يستطيع تحقيق الأرباح.
وتابع حمدان: إن السوق كان في وقت سابق وحتى الآن لا يعبر عن أداء الشركات المدرجة في البورصة لأن القيمة السوقية تتأثر حالياً بعدة عوامل ومنها أن المستثمر بات يشك في مستقبل السهم.
ومن إمكانية تداول السندات الحكومية في بورصة دمشق أشار حمدان إلى أنه لا يوجد ما يمنع من الناحية القانونية والفنية في السوق من تداول هذه السندات في سوق دمشق للأوراق المالية، فأي ورقة مالية توافق على إدراجها الهيئة تصبح قابلة للإدراج في السوق. حتى إن المرسوم رقم 60 لعام 2007 المتعلق بالأوراق المالية نص في مادته رقم 16 على إمكانية تداول الأوراق المالية الحكومية بعد موافقة لجنة الأوراق المالية المتشكلة بموجب المرسوم المذكور.
وأشار حمدان إلى أن الاستمرار بزيادة رؤوس أموال المصارف المتتالية يؤدي إلى تسييل الأسهم، وهناك مناقشات واقتراحات يتم رفعها للجهات الوصائية حول هذا الموضوع ولكن ذلك الأمر يشترط تعديل قانون.
الوطن السورية
July 11th, 2011, 1:51 pm
873 said:
104. AIG said:
873,
“You call me: “sayan filth that flame broils little kids for a living”
Do you have any proof that I broil kids for a living? Or are you making a bigoted and racist remark just because I am Israeli?”
Tell us about your peacenik activities in the IDF Gen Cluster Bomb White Phosphorus? Dont know what you did to this poor little kid, but he was probably an antisemite and deserved whatever he got, right?
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m50907&hd=&size=1&l=eor
And rather than being a wuss by counterattacking whining ‘persecuted jew’ why dont you address item #16
Odigo says workers were warned of attack
By Yuval Dror 26.09.2001 Haaretz
Odigo, the Tel Aviv instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.
Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company’s management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.
Who is Mike Harari? Any relation to 911?
BTW- You seem too dense to comprehend that I dont give a bleep about being called ‘antisemite’. Couldnt care less. That one isnt going to censor me or shut me up.
July 11th, 2011, 1:51 pm
jad said:
“أنه لم يصب أي أمريكي في الهجوم.”
Thank God no American get seriously ‘hurt’ from the ‘Tomato and Eggs’ vicious attack! the UN and ‘Pokemon’ should condemn the Tomatoes and the Eggs now…
واشنطن تدين دمشق لعدم حماية سفارتها وتطالب بتعويضات عن الأضرار
أدانت وزارة الخارجية الأمريكية رسميا سورية لعدم القيام بحماية مجمع السفارة الأمريكية في دمشق من هجوم عنيف تم بتشجيع من تلفزيون مؤيد للحكومة السورية، بحسب الخارجية الأمريكية.
وقال متحدث باسم الوزارة في بيان يوم الاثنين 11 يوليو/تموز “قامت محطة تلفزيون متأثرة بشدة بالسلطات السورية بالتشجيع على هذا الاحتجاج العنيف”.
وأضاف المتحدث “ندين بشدة رفض الحكومة السورية حماية سفارتنا ونطالب بتعويضات عن الأضرار. وندعو الحكومة السورية لتنفيذ التزاماتها تجاه مواطنيها أيضا”.
من جهة أخرى ذكر مسؤول أمريكي أن وزارة الخارجية الأمريكية تعتزم استدعاء دبلوماسي سوري رفيع في واشنطن للشكوى بشأن هجوم تعرضت له سفارة الولايات المتحدة في دمشق، بحسب وكالة “رويترز”. وقال هذا المسؤول “سنستدعي القائم بالأعمال السوري للشكوى”، مضيفا أنه لم يصب أي أمريكي في الهجوم.
كما اتهم المسؤول السلطات السورية بالتقاعس عن النهوض بمسئولياتها لحماية الدبلوماسيين الأمريكيين وبالبطء فى الرد.
المصدر: وكالات
July 11th, 2011, 2:00 pm
daleandersen said:
Memo To: 873
Re: “…I dont give a bleep about being called ‘antisemite’…”
Like I said before, Dude, you’re a frightened little man hiding behind a number. Too bad about that. But some people function better in the shadows, I guess…
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/07/rock-casbah-yeahhhhhhhhhhhh.html
July 11th, 2011, 2:11 pm
873 said:
125. jad said:
“أنه لم يصب أي أمريكي في الهجوم.”
Maybe toss some DU soil back at them, blown over from Iraq. Fitna Ford can use it for Embassy flower beds. Carnation Revolution.
Marked: RETURN TO SENDER.
July 11th, 2011, 2:17 pm
AIG said:
873,
I don’t want to censor you or shut you up, just show from where the Syrian regime is getting support, from antisemitic conspiracy theorists.
Your posts are completely bonkers.
You did not answer my question: Are you for dual citizenship of Syrians in the US?
The Ordigo case was investigated by the FBI. So what is your problem? If you think Israel was behind 9/11 just say it. It will not surprise me one bit.
And I am still waiting evidence that I broil kids. All you can do is shot general accusations. You accused me personally, so where is your proof?
July 11th, 2011, 2:18 pm
jad said:
Are they kidding?
The french defense minister is saying that they wont stop bombing Libya until Libyans start a ‘DIALOGUE’! really! ‘DIALOGUE’!
But Syrians don’t deserve any chance to have any dialogue whatsoever, it’s forbidden. And they want people to believe the mighty ‘west’ moral standards. Good luck!
فرنسا: القصف سيتوقف عندما يتحدث الليبيون مع بعضهم
أ. ف. ب.
باريس: اكد وزير الدفاع الفرنسي جيرار لونغيه ان التحالف الدولي الذي يتدخل عسكريا في ليبيا بقيادة حلف شمال الاطلسي سيوقف القصف عندما يبدأ الليبيون التحاور “في ما بينهم”.
وقال لونغيه في برنامج اذاعي وتلفزيوني على محطتي “بي اف ام تي في” وراديو مونتي كارلو “سنوقف القصف ما ان يتحدث الليبيون مع بعضهم البعض، ويعود العسكريون من كل الاطراف الى ثكناتهم، بما اننا برهنا على انه لا يوجد حل بالقوة”.
وردا على سؤال عما سيحدث اذا لم يرحل الزعيم الليبي معمر القذافي، قال “سيكون في غرفة اخرى من قصره بصفة اخرى”. واضاف “رفعنا يد (القذافي عن شعبه). نطلب منهم التحدث فيما بينهم والجلوس حول طاولة واحدة”.
وكان وزير الخارجية الفرنسي الان جوبيه اكد الاحد دعوته “الى حلول سياسية للوضع في ليبيا”، مشددا على ان “العنصر الرئيس يبقى رحيل القذافي عن السلطة”. وقال جوبيه في اديس ابابا ان فرنسا ستعمل مع الاتحاد الافريقي لايجاد “حلول سياسية” للنزاع الليبي، الا ان رحيل العقيد معمر القذافي من السلطة يشكل “عنصرا رئيسا” لحل هذا النزاع.
وشدد لونغيه مساء الاحد على ان الهدف هو رحيل القذافي “من السلطة” وليس بالضرورة من البلاد. واضاف ان القذافي “ليس هدفا في حد ذاته. اذا كان في دبابة او في مركز للقيادة، فهو هدف. لكنه ليس كذلك وهو في بيته”، مؤكدا ان “الامر لا يتعلق بقتل القذافي”
July 11th, 2011, 2:25 pm
HS said:
U.S. State Department official said about the private Al Dunya TV and the demonstration in front of the US embassy in Damascus in #125
“the television station encouraged this violent protest.”
If anybody had doubt about the capacity for a satellite TV channel ( Al Jazeera and others ) to incite in violent demonstrations
just like the president said in his first speech to deputies ,
there is now the official US acknowledgment.
July 11th, 2011, 2:26 pm
jad said:
Keep your eyes on Turkey and Iran, they have the keys for the future of our region:
إيران وتركيا تتفقان على تكثيف المشاورات بينهما لحل الأزمة في سورية
اتفقت الحكومتان الإيرانية والتركية يوم الأحد على تكثيف المشاورات بينهما والعمل على حل الأزمات في المنطقة وتثبيت استقرارها وخاصة الأزمة التي تتعرض لها سورية.
وقال وزير الخارجية الإيراني علي أكبر صالحي, في مؤتمر صحفي مشترك مع نظيره التركي أحمد داوود اوغلو, إن “البلدين يراقبان التطورات المتسارعة في المنطقة وينسقان وجهات النظر بشأن التعامل معها”, مشيرا إلى أن “سورية وإيران وتركيا هم أفراد عائلة واحدة وإذا كانت هناك مشكلة في دولة منها فان على الجميع العمل على حلها”.
وكانت الحكومة الإيرانية أعلنت في وقت سابق من الشهر الجاري أن الغرب يحاول إيذاء سورية لأنها تلعب دورا رئيسيا في المنطقة, واصفة الأزمة التي تتعرض لها بأنها عبارة عن مخطط غربي يأتي في إطار مؤامرة لزعزعة حكومة تؤيد المقاومة في الشرق الأوسط.
وأشار صالحي إلى أن “سورية دولة جارة ومهمة وتركيا دولة مهمة وصديقة, وانه من خلال المشاورات ستكون الحركة في الشكل الصحيح”, مؤكدا “ضرورة الوقوف في وجه التدخل الأجنبي في المنطقة”.
وكانت طهران استدعت مؤخرا أكبر دبلوماسية بريطانية لديها للاحتجاج على اتهام إيران بمساعدة سورية في سحق احتجاجات مناهضة لحكومة دمشق.
وتعد إيران من أكثر الدول الداعمة سياسيا لسورية, حيث أبدت مرارا وقوفها إلى جانب سورية, وذلك منذ بدء الأزمة التي تعرضت لها مؤخرا, محذرة من العواقب التي قد تتجاوزها في حال تزعزع استقرارها.
من جهته, أعلن وزير الخارجية التركي داوود اوغلو انه “تم الاتفاق على تواصل اللقاءات التشاورية بشأن الأزمات بالمنطقة ولاسيما الأزمة في سورية”, مؤكدا ضرورة “عدم حدوث نزاعات طائفية وعرقية في المنطقة”.
واتهمت العديد من التصريحات الرسمية التركية مؤخرا، القيادة السورية بـ “قتل المدنيين والمتظاهرين”، داعية إلى التخلي عن “النهج الأمني” في معالجة ما يجري من أحداث وتطورات في سورية.
وأضاف داوود اوغلو أن “سورية دولة صديقة وعزيزة على تركيا كما أن لها علاقات قوية مع إيران التي هي صديقة لتركيا أيضا, كما أن إيران دولة محورية في المنطقة وسوف يكون هناك تشاور منتظم معها بشأن تطورات المنطقة”.
وكان داوود أوغلو صرح مؤخرا أن العلاقات السورية التركية أقوى من علاقات الجيرة، معربا عن أمله في أن تخرج سورية من هذه المرحلة أكثر قوة عبر تطبيق الإصلاحات، إذ أن بلاده ستقدم كل ما بوسعها من أجل ذلك.
وتمارس الولايات المتحدة وعدد من الدول الغربية ضغوطات على سورية من خلال فرضها حزمة عقوبات بسبب ما أسمته “قمع” المتظاهرين, في حين ترى الحكومة السورية أن فرض العقوبات جاء بسبب مواقفها الداعمة لإيران وللمقاومة في فلسطين ولبنان.
وحاولت دول أوروبية على رأسها فرنسا وبريطانيا اللتان تحظيان بدعم أمريكي استصدار قرار من مجلس الامن الدولي يدين ما أسموه “قمع” السلطات السورية للمتظاهرين, إلا أن معارضة روسيا و الصين حال دون ذلك.
وتشهد عدة مدن سورية منذ نحو 4 أشهر خروج مظاهرات تنادي بالحرية وشعارات سياسية مناهضة للنظام, تخللها سقوط مئات الشهداء من المدنيين وعناصر الآمن والجيش, حملت السلطات السورية مسؤولية هذا الأمر إلى جماعات مسلحة, فيما تتهم منظمات حقوقية ونشطاء الحكومة السورية باستخدام العنف لقمع التظاهرات.
سيريانيوز
http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=134847
July 11th, 2011, 2:29 pm
Nour said:
So apparently under French standards it’s only acceptable to shoot at Syrian protesters when their own forces do it.
By the way, if anyone is interested Dr. Ali Haidar will appear on Al Arabia after the 11 PM news cast.
July 11th, 2011, 2:30 pm
Nour said:
Jad,
We have to be weary of any and all foreign interference in Syrian affairs, whether Turkish, Iranian, Arabic, or western.
July 11th, 2011, 2:33 pm
jad said:
Nour,
I agree, all of them are involved in the future of our region.
My note was mostly about the relations between Iran And Turkey since the result of their talks will have a huge influence on the region in the future, to be stable or unstable…
The french are funny, they let people to throw paint on the Syrian embassy in Paris while the police were watching, but tomato and egg is to insulting for their taste.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=121003874657360&set=a.118191081605306.25129.118058678285213&type=1&theater
Check out this interview on france24
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150241460056964
July 11th, 2011, 2:41 pm
jad said:
#Syria أوغلو يغني من طهران .. “التوبي ما بقا عيدا”
الخبر برس : الإخبارية اللبنانية
من المتوقع أن يصل إلى دمشق غداً الثلاثاء وزير الخارجية التركي أحمد داود أوغلو قادماً من العاصمة الإيرانية طهران في زيارتين تكتسبان أهمية لمسار العلاقات الثنائية بين تركيا وكل من إيران وسوريا بعد الفتور والتوتر اللذين سادا بين هذه الدول، ولا سيما بين أنقرة ودمشق.
“الخبر برس” رصدت وسائل الإعلام التي وصفت الزيارة بزيارة ترميم العلاقات وأنها لا تشبه سابقاتها، آخر زيارة لداود اوغلو لدمشق كانت في بداية الاضطرابات السورية، واشتهرت بجلسة الساعات الثلاث مع الرئيس بشار الأسد وكانت على شكل محاضرات تركية للسوريين حول كيفية الخروج من الأزمة. (غادر بعدها أوغلو إلى بلاده محاولا عرض عضلاته عله ينافس مهند التركي ويصبح نجماً في سماء العرب .. لكنه خاب ظنه وها هو اليوم يقدم فعل الندامة في طهران حيث يغني “التوبي ما بقا عيدا”، تمهيداً لزيارة سوريا).
وهنا لا بد من التذكير بأبرز ما أقدمت عليه تركيا على امتداد تلك الفترة، حيث سارت في خطين متوازيين. في مرحلة أولى كانت النصائح للتغيير في سوريا طريقا للاستقرار، ومن ثم بدأت مرحلة الانتقال من النصائح إلى البدائل عبر سيناريو متعدد الجوانب يستهدف الضغط الشديد على سوريا.
أولا، عبر الرعاية التركية للمعارضة السورية، مرة عبر مؤتمر صحافي لمراقب «الإخوان المسلمين» في اسطنبول، ثم ثلاثة مؤتمرات للمعارضة السورية، اثنان في اسطنبول وثالث في انتاليا.
ثانيا، عبر استدراج فتح ملف ضاغط إنسانيا على دمشق، هو مخيمات اللاجئين على الحدود مع سوريا في منطقة الاسكندرون. واستخدمت أنقرة من وسائل إعلام ومبعوثين دوليين ومن جانب داود اوغلو نفسه هذه القضية لتشويه صورة القيادة في سورية.
ثالثا، عبر التهديد بتدويل الأزمة السورية من خلال القول انه إذا استمر تدفق اللاجئين السوريين فإن قضيتهم لن تبقى تركية الطابع، بل ستأخذ طابعا دوليا.
رابعا، عبر التهديد بتأييد أي قرار تتخذه الأمم المتحدة من خلال تصريحات رئيس الحكومة رجب طيب اردوغان بأن استمرار الممارسات السورية ضد المعارضين ستجعل من الصعب على أنقرة أن تعارض قرارات دولية ضد سوريا.
خامسا، عبر التهديد باستخدام القوة العسكرية منفردة أو بالشراكة مع «المجتمع الدولي» ضد سوريا، عبر تصريح للرئيس التركي عبد الله غول بأن بلاده اتخذت الاستعدادات الكاملة المدنية والعسكرية لأسوأ السيناريوهات. وقد واكبت ذلك «شائعات» عن احتمال إقامة الجيش التركي منطقة عسكرية عازلة داخل الأراضي السورية. ومع أن بعض الكتّاب لا يعكسون الموقف الرسمي، لكن العديد من الكتّاب الإسلاميين في الإعلام التركي دعوا أنقرة إلى التحرك عسكريا ضد القيادة في سوريا.
ربط البعض بعض هذه المواقف بالانتخابات التركية ورغبة اردوغان في نيل حفنة أصوات إضافية. لكن ذلك كان غير واقعي، إذ إن اردوغان أطلق بعد انتصاره شعار أن تركيا هي نموذج ديموقراطي لبيروت ودمشق وغيرهما، في إعلان عن رغبة في رعاية خريطة جديدة للمشرق العربي بدعم غربي. واستمر اردوغان في كلام ثقيل ضد دمشق. وكان الإعلان عن عدم مشاركة سفينة «مرمرة» وأي سفينة تركية أخرى، أو أي ناشط تركي في «أسطول الحرية ـ 2»، الذي جاء بعد الانتخابات، مؤشرا على أن البوصلة التركية الرسمية أعادت تموضع إبرتها في اتجاه التركيز على الوضع السوري دون غيره، مع إرسال رسائل ايجابية إلى تل أبيب.
لكن بعد أيام على كل هذه التطورات، بدأت نبرة الخطاب الرسمي التركي تشهد بعض الانخفاض بالنسبة للعلاقة مع سوريا، وانتهت إلى الإعلان عن زيارة لداود اوغلو لدمشق، بعد أسابيع من موجات التسونامي .
ليس من الموضوعية وضع الزيارة في إطار ترميم العلاقات بين دمشق وأنقرة، بل ربما الأكثر عقلانية وضعها في إطار تخفيض الخسائر التركية إلى الحد الأدنى الممكن، وإذا أمكن «تصفير الخسائر».
July 11th, 2011, 2:44 pm
AIG said:
Let’s be clear about what happened in the French and American embassies. They were violently attacked by mobs. It wasn’t just throwing produce. The pictures speak for themselves.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-syria-embassies-20110712,0,61077.story
July 11th, 2011, 2:45 pm
Nour said:
So when people attack western embassies, they\’re mobs, but when they attack Syrian public and private property, they\’re peaceful protesters.
July 11th, 2011, 2:55 pm
jad said:
Nour
Exactly!
July 11th, 2011, 2:57 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
It’s a waste of time to argue with reactionaries. I pity them.
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July 11th, 2011, 3:00 pm
AIG said:
Nour,
Do you really see no difference between people attacking a foreign embassy and people attacking a police station after being brutalized by the police?
And of course when people attack private property they are a mob and doing something illegal and nonconstructive. But to label ALL anti-regime demonstrators in Syria mobs, is factually incorrect. A small number of them are mobs, just like the one at the embassies, but the vast majority are peaceful demonstrators.
Nevertheless, why would you justify what is happening in the US and French embassies because you feel the press in the West is not doing a good job? Why can’t each incident stand on its own merits?
July 11th, 2011, 3:06 pm
jad said:
خطاب معارض في دار النظام: ارتفاع السقف بغياب الأعمدة
غدي فرنسيس
لم يعد هناك من جديد في المشهد السوري، لا الحوار ولا طاولاته تضيف شيئاً إلى اللغة السياسية السائدة: الحل الأمني خاطئ، البطل كسر الخوف، لكنه ليس طاهراً بالكامل، المؤامرة ليست هاجساً فقط، السلطة تغرق في الأخطاء، المعارضة خالية من البرامج. شارع الاحتجاج أكبر من أن يتسع في إطار أحد. السقف في ارتفاع، والأعمدة غائبة.
الخطاب يكاد يصبح واحداً، والاختلاف هو في موقع المنبر والوجوه… اللعب السياسي في أشدّ مواسمه والأقنعة وفيرة، ولا قائد أو بطل من أرض الغضب. ولا ملامح واضحة لآلية التغيير. التلفزيون السوري عرض «مطالبة بتفكيك النظام الأمني» على مسامع المواطن من جلسة الحوار أمس… إذن دخلنا في مرحلة اللعب بالخطوط الحمراء.
الخطوط الحمراء
حين تتبادل «دكاكين النظام» التهم، نكون في مرحلة الخطوط الحمراء. حين يدور حديث الكواليس عن أسماء «المبعَدين» من النظام… حين تصبح مناصب النفوذ المتعددة كالدوائر الصغيرة… كديكتاتوريات صغرى تخاف من العاصفة. حين تصبح «الدبلوماسية الخبيثة» خطاباً من الداخل معارضة وموالاة… حين يبدأ صراع انفصام الشخصية في العلن… حين يرتدي الفاسد قناع «الإصلاحي»… حين يلبس «العسكري» حلّة «الفيلسوف»… حين تصبح اللعبة مرتكزة على الأقنعة، نكون تجاوزنا الخطوط الحمراء، أصبحنا نلعب في المنطقة الحمراء.
تغيرت سوريا في آذار. بعد أربعة أشهر تكاد تلتاع حريقاً.. شهوة.. صراخاً.. نشوةً، ولا يزال ناظرها يفتّش عن إطار وبراغماتية وتذاكٍ في الحلول والتفاصيل. يصنع أبطالاً في الإعلام والاعتقال والسياسة، يصنع من «الأدوات» نجوماً قبل أن يعترف بنجومية الشعب السوري الصارخ. هي تغيّرت، وهو لا يزال في مرحلة تأطير تغييرها قبل إدراكه.
في موسم السياسة السورية الكل يكيل الانتقادات نفسها، والكل يجلس مع السلطة. البعض يجلس معها في قاعاتها الكبيرة وحول موائدها المستديرة، والبعض الآخر يحرّم هذه القاعات ويجلس معها على الطاولات المنفردة الصغيرة. المعارضون السياسيون جميعهم باستثناء القلة، يعيشون «نشوة» أحلامهم السياسية فوق أزهار الربيع العربي، تصريحات ومواقف وآراء واتصالات هاتفية…
وتحت كل هذا المشهد، ثمة «خدمة» دبلوماسية حصلت في حماه.. وثمة تغيير حصل: للمرة الأولى منذ سنوات يأتي النظام لحماه بمحافظ حموي. «أنس عبد الرزاق ناعم» كان قد عيِّن أميناً عاماً لفرع حزب البعث في حماه منذ شهر ونصف الشهر. اليوم، نقيب الأطباء السابق أصبح محافظاً، ويُحكى عن رواجه «شعبياً»… تعليقاً على التعيين الجديد يقول الحموي: كأنهم يقولون لنا «حلّوها بين بعضكم يا حمويّي»! حمويّ نعم، لكنه بعثي. بعثي نعم، ولكن محبوب. ومن يدري، امتحانه الأول لن يتأخر، ففي كل أسبوع هناك يوم جمعة.
وفي كل يوم جمعة هناك بطل ومندسّ ومجرم وفاسد وثائر وطائفي وعلماني وعميل وخائن ووطني ومثقف وجاهل ومتشدد ومنفتح وانتهازي وصادق ومؤمن ومنافق في ساحة حماه، وفي كل سوريا. في كل جمعة هناك أرض، وفي كل حوار وتصريح هناك تصعيد… لكن أياً من المصرّحين لم يطرح بعد ملامح الغد.
متابعة الحوار من الخارج مع المعارضين
رغم أن اللقاء التشاوري الأول للحوار الوطني بضيافة النظام خلى من وجوه المعارضة «النجومية»، إلا أن الخطاب بكليّته حمل لغتها. في منزله بينما يتناول قهوته مع رئيس تحرير صحيفة «لوموند» الفرنسية آلان غريش، ميشيل كيلو كان حائراً بجهاز التحكم بالتلفاز. يرى الطيب تيزيني، فيرفع الصوت. تنتهي مداخلة تيزيني، فيهزّ رأسه موافقاً. يرى ذاك الناطق الفصيح الخطيب باسم الشباب «يعلك»، فيخفض الصوت معلّقاً «ما الجديد في أننا سوريون؟». يلمح «قدري جميل» و«علي حيدر»، فيسمع موافقاً… لا بد من الخلاص من الحل الأمني: «طلع الشعر على لساننا». يتابع نقاش ربيع التغيير العربي مع الصحافي الفرنسي على ضفاف «حوار وطني ينقل كل مطالبه بوجوه مختلفة».
فلعلّ أبرز ما حدث، سياسياً، ولادة «جبهة شعبية للتغيير والتحرير» بين الشيوعي المنشق «قدري جميل» والسوري القومي الاجتماعي المنشق «علي حيدر» بخطاب معارض واعٍ.
فبعد مداخلة حيدر اقتنص جميل الفرصة الاعلامية للاعلان عن هذه الجبهة بين الحزبين مضيفا بذلك شرعية لفرع الحزب المنشق. فانتفض مسؤول الفرع في الحزب القومي في الجبهة صفوان سلمان، حيث قصد سلمان «الدكتورة بثينة» شعبان معاتباً: عملياً، اعطى فرع الحزب المعارض مع علي حيدر، شرعية تفوق شرعية فرعه الجبهاوي مع صفوان سلمان ممثلاً عصام المحايري التسعيني. فجأة هوى حزب وصعد آخر امام الاعلام. هكذا الجبهة وعقليتها الخائفة على الدور والحصة بينما تنزف سوريا.
بالعودة من فروع الأحزاب إلى فروع المعارضة. لو قبل ميشيل كيلو الدعوة، لكان نجم الحوار ربما، لكنه جلس مستمعاً في منزله. وفي الخلاصة قال معلّقاً: «ما قيل في المؤتمر ليس لغة حل وسط بل هو فعلياً لغة المعارضة بأشكال مختلفة. كان واضحاً في المؤتمر أثر ومعنى غياب المعارضة عندهم. أنا أعتقد أن المشكلة الفعلية، أن المعارضة لم تكن هناك. حكى لغتنا وأفكارنا… غيابنا كان ظاهراً. لكن الواضح أن مطلب التغيير الديموقراطي أصبح مطلب الجميع، ولا يمكن القفز من فوقه».
أما سلامة كيلة، الموقّع على «سميراميس 1» في المعارضة المستقلة، يدير ظهره لشاشة الإخبارية السورية في مقهى الشعلان إذ يتابع نظريته الاقتصادية السياسية: «الاميركان تخوفوا من انحراف النظام في حل عسكري على حماه، حاولوا إيصال رسائلهم للنظام وليس للشارع: لا تتهوّر. التنسيقية في حماه أخرجت بياناً يؤكد أنها ضد التدخل الخارجي».
الزيارة رغم ترحيب الأهالي هنا أو هناك، وتهليلهم لفرنسا أحياناً في بعض الأحياء، هي «استثارة لتشويه الوضع» برأي كيلة. ويضيف: الحراك يتطوّر، السلطة تحمل أزمات، إحداها اقتصادية، بدأت تظهر بوضوح. القوة العسكرية لن تبقى بهذه الفعالية. إنها مرحلة تغيّر ميزان القوى. لا يستبعد كيلة أن يبدأ ظهور شخصيات تغيّر مواقفها. لا شيء يكبح هذا سوى عنصر مفاجئ ما. طبقة التغيير الذي طرأ على سوريا أثمرت «رؤوس الأموال الجدد» راكموا أموالهم، وأصبح الجهاز الأمني يجيّر مصالحهم. الفساد المستشري في السلطة ودكاكينها من يزيله؟ الحل الوحيد خارج الحوارات واللجان والتمييع السياسي للتغيير: الحل الوحيد بالقرار الرئاسي. فليأتِ برئيس حكومة تكنوقراط ويقول له: تفضّل نظّف البلد.
مساء الجمعة، جلس لؤي حسين وفايز سارة الى يسار الطاولة، وحسان سلّوم ورامي عمران على يمينها. معارضتان، واحدة تحاور النظام في العلن، وواحدة تحاور النظام بالهواتف والتصعيد والتصريح فوق الشارع. حين احتدم النقاش عن حماه، رد حسان سلوم على فايز سارة «أنا معارض قبلك». هكذا هو شعورهم، أولئك الذين ولد وعيهم السياسي بالمطالبة بدولة مدنية وضعت لها أسس وهوية وعقيدة.
رامي عمران، الذي خرج من حزبه السوري القومي الاجتماعي حين دخل إلى الجبهة خلف البعثيين، له قوة ما في النظام نواتها عمله في الشأن العام. فهذه القوة وضعت اسمه على لائحتي فاروق الشرع وبثينة شعبان للحضور إلى الحوار. في مكتبه، وخلف حاسوبه، رامي قاد حملة «أنا سوري» الإعلانية.. منذ اللحظة الأولى هو المختلف عن حزبه وعن النظام وعن المعارضة. انتهت السهرة بأن رامي حسم بالحديث مع لؤي: «انا أرى ان الذهاب إلى الحوار سيوصل رأيي وإن اختلف، يختلف هناك» فيرد لؤي حسين: «أنا أعضّ على أصابع النظام ليأتي هو إلى طاولتي».
وبالأمس ذهب رامي إلى الطاولة في فندق صحارى. جلس واستمع إلى خطاب أعجبه، وغاب المضمون والبرنامج، فخرج منتقداً اللمحة الأولى من الحل السياسي.
رامي عمران في طريقه إلى الخارج:
لم آتِ بحثاً عن منبر!
خلع رامي سترته الرسمية ظهر الأحد، وعاد إلى مكتبه بعد الاستراحة الأولى من الحوار في فندق صحارى. لم يكمل جلسة اليوم الأول. لكنّه لم يحدث «انسحاباً درامياً».
في مكتبه العصري في المنطقة الحرة يعقّب رامي على انسحابه «الصامت» بالقول «في هذا الزمن حيث تزداد وتيرة الأزمة خنقاً على عنق الوطن… كان على اللقاء التشاوري أن يخلص أولاً بمهمته الوظيفية بالتحضير لمؤتمر حوار وطني».
يوافق عمران على ما قاله ميشيل كيلو إن بعض النقاط التي قيلت في الجلسة الافتتاحية كانت مهمة وصارمة، لكنه يضيف إنها كلمات كان من الممكن تشاركها وتداولها مع الرأي العام قبل المؤتمر، عبر فتح أي منبر صحافي في سوريا لكل الآراء مهما تنوّعت ومهما ارتفع سقفها. وبالتالي لا يكون اللقاء التشاوري المعني بالتحضير لمؤتمر حواري منبراً لإعلان المواقف، على أهميتها.
«أثبت اللقاء التشاوري في جلسته الافتتاحية أن معظم أسباب الخلاف في الرأي السياسي السوري تعود إلى المنابر واللافتات، لا إلى المحتوى والمضمون. حيث تصنّف المعارضة والموالاة على قياس المكان، لا على قياس الرأي».
في «صحارى» قيل ما يشابه ويزيد عمّا قيل في «سميراميس» وفي بيان الأحزاب المعارضة، فهل ينتقل الرأي السياسي السوري باتجاه البناء على الرؤى بدلاً من احتكار المنابر؟
أعفى اللقاء التشاوري نفسه من المهمة الأساسية التي كان عليه أن يناقشها ويسددها، حيث إن الغرض الوظيفي من اللقاء التشاوري هو تحديد ماهية مؤتمر الحوار الوطني وماهية الهيئة التأسيسية المالكة لأدائه وإيقاعه وتفاصيله، فهل ستكون ملكاً لأصحاب الدعوة أو تكون كما يجب عليها، ملكاً للمجتمع السوري بكامله، عبر هيئة تجمع فيها كل أطيافه السياسية التي تمتلك مساحة ندية من قرارها؟ هل سيكون مؤتمر الحوار الوطني استشاري الطبيعة أو تقريري الوظيفة. هذا ما يدعو إلى السؤال الأساس، هل يذهب النظام السوري حقاً إلى شراكة مع الأطياف السياسية السورية كافة لإنتاج شكل الدولة الجديد أم أنها شراكة يحتفظ فيها لنفسه بحق النقد.
إذا كان غرض مؤتمر الحوار الوطني، الاتفاق على شكل الدولة السورية المدنية التعددية الحديثة، فكيف يناقش اللقاء مجموع القوانين التفصيلية المؤدية لبناء هذه الدولة قبل أن يتفق على شكلها في مؤتمر وطني شامل.
إن معظم القوى السياسية في سوريا تشترك في شعاراتها ومواقفها تجاه الدولة المدنية الديموقراطية الحديثة التعددية، وتنأى بنفسها عن التفاصيل المؤدية إلى هذه الدولة.
لا أجد قيمة في أن أضيف خطاباً أو موقفاً إلى الخطابات والمواقف التي قيلت. سيما أن في العناوين العامة نلتقي مع مجمل الآراء داخل اللقاء وخارجه. لكن إذا لم يتم التدارك السريع لمنهج إيجاد خطة عمل لتحقيق هذه الشعارات، فيمكن الاتفاق على أن يكون الشعار لغماً مؤجلاً يختبئ في التفاصيل.
وتحت الحوار وفوقه وقبله وبعده… أجمل ما في شوارع دمشق ومقاهيها اليوم، أن كل شيء، بما فيه الطاولة، عرضة للبحث فوق الطاولات.. والأقنعة تهوي سريعاً… وكذلك الأحزاب. وريثما تعطى الحرية السريعة للشارع أن يفرز نفسه تيارات وأحزاباً جديدة، يبقى الحلم السياسي السوري بسقفه العالي من دون أعمدة… كبالون الهواء.
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July 11th, 2011, 3:15 pm
873 said:
118. 5 dancing shlomos said:
“deceased falwell a prime example of a “christian” zionist who was an examplar of absolutely nothing christian.”
So true. The xtian zionist nonsense would be a mere novelty, or footnotes of history- except that these deceived apostate American xtian fanatics are enabling all of this zionist warmongering as a “fulfillment of prophecy”. One of the quotes they keep throwing out is Isaiah 17- which is the “annihilation of Damascus” prophecy. John Haggee and others refer to it often and that is what is very worrying about all happening in Syria now. These deluded sociopaths will believe an Israeli or ‘NATO’ attack on Damascus is “Gods will”. So while one may wish to talk politics only and keep religion out of it? Not possible.
I agree with you that “xtian zionism” is a contradiction in terms. These apostates are chasing their own demise and idolizing the Talmudic Pharisees who plagiarized Babylon mysteries into the Cabbalah.
AIG,
Why is it Israel has the Rothschild crest’s Star of Molech on the flag? Why is a hex sign (used in Sumer and India long before David was born) your national symbol? Shouldnt it be the Menorah?
July 11th, 2011, 3:15 pm
jad said:
التوصيات الختامية تُرفع اليوم إلى الأسد.. وتتضمن استفتاء على تعديل الدستور
اللقاء التشاوري يرفع مطالب المعارضة.. الغائبة
زياد حيدر
تخطّى معظم المشاركين في اللقاء التشاوري السوري الذي انعقد أمس، في مجمع صحارى، خطاب المعارضة، التي لم تحضر متذرعة بعدم وجود المناخ المناسب، وارتفع السقف ليمسّ مدة الحكم الرئاسي وطريقة الانتخاب من دون الحديث عن التعديلات الدستورية وأبرز نجومها وهي المادة الثامنة، حيث جرى الدفاع عنها في مداخلات بعض البعثيين عنها، باعتبارها «مرتبطة بالكثير من القوانين والهيكليات» وستعيد «البلاد للفوضى وتحوّلها الى كانتونات طائفية»، وهو أمر سألت عنه «السفير» مصادر حزبية رفيعة المستوى فأجابت بأن التعديلات الدستورية قد تجري عبر استفتاء وطني بدلاً من أن تجري في جلسة برلمانية كما كان متوقعاً.
وجاءت كلمة نائب رئيس الجمهورية فاروق الشرع الذي ترأس اللقاء التشاوري في دمشق
بمشاركة أكثر من 200 شخصية، في سياق تصالحي، مجدّدة دعوة الحوار لحل الأزمة معتبراً أنه «لا بديل عنه في الوضع الراهن غير النزيف الدموي والتدمير الذاتي، أما فكرة اللاحوار فلا أفق سياسياً لها ولا أظن أنها مطلب شعبي في أي ظرف فكيف بالظروف هذه الأيام». وأضاف الشرع إن « اللاحوار فكرة عبثية فالحروب الكبرى والصغرى والازمات الوطنية والقبلية لم تنته الا بالحوار أو بواسطته»، وأكد الشرع أن لقاء أمس كان بداية هذا النهج وليس نهايته، مؤكداً أنه ستتم دعوة المزيد للحوار مشيراً إلى أن هدف اللقاء هو الدعوة «إلى مؤتمر شامل نعلن فيه انتقال سوريا إلى دولة تعددية ديموقراطية يحظى فيها جميع المواطنين بالمساواة ويشاركون في صياغة مستقبل بلدهم».
وقال الشرع «إن الوطن الآن على المحك في هذه الظروف التي يجب أن يستعيد فيها الشجاعة والحكم… آملين وواثقين بوفاء الرئيس بشار الاسد بما وعد به.» واعترف نائب الرئيس السوري بأنه «لولا التضحيات الجسام التي قدمها شعب سوريا من مدنيين وعسكريين في أكثر من محافظة لما كان لمثل هذا اللقاء أن يُعقد بمتابعة من أعلى المستويات… لقد كان ثمن الدماء كما يدرك المواطنون أغلى من كل الحسابات الضيقة وأسمى من كل الأحقاد التي سجلتها شاشات الأشقاء».
وعلمت «السفير» في هذا السياق أن بعض التشريعات ستصدر بصورة سريعة في حال تم الاتفاق عليها.
وكان اللقاء بدأ بدقيقة صمت «على أرواح الشهداء» تلاها النشيد الوطني، تحدث فيها مستقلون وشباب وبعثيون وكان من بين أصوات المعارضة الفكرية الاستاذ الجامعي الطيب تيزيني الذي طالب أولاً «بأن يتوقف الرصاص» في إشارة لتمادي العنف والعنف المضاد في المشهد الاحتجاجي ورأى أن «التأسيس لمجتمع سياسي يتطلب مباشرة التأسيس لعملية تفكيك الدولة الأمنية المهيمنة في سوريا»، داعياً إلى «إخراج السجناء الذين بقوا سنوات مديدة في السجون وهم بالآلاف».
بدوره طالب عضو مجلس الشعب محمد حبش بإنهاء الدولة الأمنية، معتبراً أن «المؤامرة» الخارجية لها دور في ما يجري إلا أن النسبة الغالبة هي ناتج «احتقان داخلي نشأ نتيجة الظلم والقهر والقمع وممارسة دور الدولة الأمنية». وقال إن «المخرج يتمثل في العمل على إنهاء الدولة الأمنية وتحريم الرصاص والعمل من أجل دولة مدنية متحضرة فيها تعددية وحريات إعلامية وإلغاء سيطرة الحزب الواحد».
وطالب حبش الرئيس الأسد بالقيام «باقتراح تعديل فوري للدستور يرسل إلى مجلس الشعب لعرضه على أول اجتماع له ويتضمن بصراحة تعديل المادة الثامنة والرابعة والثمانين بحيث تنتفي سيطرة الحزب الواحد، ويفتح باب الترشح للرئاسة وفق شروط مناسبة».
بدوره دعا الأب الياس زحلاوي في مداخلة له إلى «إطلاق الحريات وانشاء معارضة بناءة تتنبه الى ما يجب التنبه اليه وتحدد بصراحة مواطن الخطأ والمخطئين لتصحيح مسارات البلد ووضع حد نهائي للاعتقالات التعسفية واطلاق سراح معتقلي الرأي الحاليين على الفور».
وحول الدستور أكد على ضرورة تغيير الدستور بكامله ليتناسب مع دولة قوية متطورة، وأن يسمح بتشكيل أحزاب جديدة بما يحقق التعددية السياسية ومبدأ تداول السلطة على أن لا تؤسس على أساس ديني أو عشائري أو عائلي، داعياً إلى أن يستبدل اسم مجلس الشعب بمجلس النواب الذي يقوم بانتخاب رئيس الجمهورية لولاية واحدة مدتها اربع سنوات. من جانبه قال رئيس المبادرة الوطنية الكردية عمر أوسي «إن سوريا تتعرض اليوم لمؤامرة» متهماً تركيا بارتكاب «مجازر» بحق قرى كردية، مطالباً بتمثيل أكبر للأكراد في البرلمان والحكومة.
وكانت جلسة المساء المخصصة للتعديلات الدستورية تحوّلت الى جلسة مداخلات حيث تجاوز عدد المتحدثين التسعين شخصاً، فخصصت جلسات اليوم لمناقشة التعديلات الدستورية والانتخابات والإعلام والأحزاب على أن تنتهي ببيان ختامي يتضمن توصيات ترفع لرئيس الجمهورية مباشرة.
في هذه الأثناء، أصدر الرئيس بشار الأسد المرسوم رقم /254/ القاضي بتعيين أنس عبد الرزاق ناعم محافظاً لمحافظة حماه. وقال ناعم إن «إعادة الأمن والأمان والاستقرار إلى مدينة حماه» من أولى مهامه وذلك «بالتعاون مع أهل مدينة حماه الطيبين والشرفاء لبناء جسور من الثقة والمحبة مع القيادة الحكيمة للسيد الرئيس بشار الأسد».
وحول وجود سفيري الولايات المتحدة وفرنسا في مدينة حماه الجمعة الماضية من دون إذن مسبق أوضح ناعم في تصريح لوكالة «سانا» السورية للأنباء، أن هذا التصرف للسفيرين جاء «في وقت كانت الحكومة بالتعاون مع الطيبين في المدينة تجري مفاوضات مع المتظاهرين الذين ينصبون الحواجز ويحرقون الدواليب وكانت على وشك التوصل إلى حل إلا أن مجيء السفيرين إلى حماه أجج الموضوع»، مضيفاً «أن معظم سكان حماه غير راضين عن هذه الزيارة لدرجة أنهم قاموا برمي السفيرين بالبندورة ما أدى إلى انسحابهما من المدينة على عجل». وأعرب المحافظ عن أمله في عودة المواطنين في حماه إلى أعمالهم وأن يمارسوا حياتهم الطبيعية «لكي يتمكن الموظفون من القيام بالخدمات الموجهة إلى مواطني المدينة والعودة إلى الحياة الطبيعية ما يكفل الاستقرار»، مشيراً إلى أن «الوضع الراهن في المدينة بحالة هدوء نسبي». وشغل ناعم منصب أمين فرع حزب البعث العربي الاشتراكي في محافظة حماه ورئيس فرع نقابة الأطباء في حماه ورئيس آلية التنسيق الوطنية في سوريا.
إلى ذلك شارك مئات آلاف المواطنين السوريين في رفع علم سوري هو الأكبر من نوعه في العالم بحسب وكالة «سانا»، وذلك في إطار المبادرة الشعبية التي نظمتها فعاليات شبابية دعماً لبرنامج الإصلاح والحوار الوطني الذي أطلقه الأسد ورفضاً للتدخلات الخارجية في شؤون سوريا الداخلية وتمسكاً باستقلالية القرار الوطني. واحتشد المشاركون في هذه الفعالية الوطنية على جانبي الأوتستراد الدولي بين اللاذقية وجبلة.
وأعلن مساء أمس الاول عن تأسيس «الجبهة الشعبية للتغيير والتحرير في سوريا» وتضمّ الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي واللجنة الوطنية لوحدة الشيوعيين السوريين ومجموعة شخصيات وطنية. ودعا الموقعون على إعلان الجبهة إلى ضرورة «إجراء إصلاح شامل وجذري لمصلحة الوطن والمواطن للحفاظ على الوحدة الوطنية في وجه كل أشكال الضغوط والتدخل الخارجي وهم في سعيهم هذا سيتعاونون مع كل القوى والشخصيات الوطنية الغيورة على مصلحة البلاد». وعبرت الجبهة كما ورد في بيان إعلانها عن «رفض كل أشكال التدخل الخارجي في الشأن السوري وإدانة كل من يحاول الاستقواء بالخارج وتفعيل كل وسائل الرد الشعبي والرسمي ورفض الاستقواء على الشعب وإدانة كل أشكال الإساءة إلى المواطن السوري».
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July 11th, 2011, 3:16 pm
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July 11th, 2011, 3:22 pm
jad said:
More about the national dialogue:
«الحوار» صوتاً وصورة على التلفزيون السـوري: فكّكوا الدولة الأمنيّة
تشاركت السلطة وضيوفها الشجاعة، أمس. رفع الحظر عن وجهات النظر في المجتمع السوري لتعبّر بحرية عن نفسها، مع اعتراف رسمي بـ«الشهداء المدنيين» و«العنف غير المبرر» ووجوب «إقامة الدولة التعددية والديموقراطية». أما الضيوف فعوّضوا عن غياب معظم المعارضين التقليديين وعبّروا بوضوح تام وبأفضل طريقة عمّا تحاول الاحتجاجات الشعبية أن تقوله
غسان سعود
منذ التاسعة صباحاً، بدأ المدعوّون إلى «اللقاء التشاوري للحوار الوطني السوري» بالتوافد إلى فندق صحارى. كان يمكنهم الوصول بسياراتهم إلى الموقف الكبير، قبالة المنتجع، يركنونها بأنفسهم ويتوجهون إلى طاولة الاستقبال الكبيرة في بهو الفندق، ليأخذوا بمساعدة صبيّتين أنيقتين بطاقة التعريف وملفاً صغيراً. بعدها، يتجهون من دون أن يلمحوا أياً من أصحاب النظارات السود إلى القاعة الرئيسية، حيث يعقد المؤتمر. هناك حُجِزَت نحو عشرين كرسياً لأشخاص محددين، أما الكراسي المئة والأربعين الباقية فترك المنظمون للضيوف حرية تقاسمها: مهمة استصعبها البعض. وكثيرون استصعبوا مفارقة ثانية: اجتماع رسمي، غرفة أو قاعة في سوريا ولا صورة تتصدرها للرئيس بشار الأسد. عبثاً، بحثت العيون عن «السيِّد الرئيس»، إلى أن استسلمت للاعتقاد بأن اللافتتين العملاقتين القائلتين «هيئة الحوار الوطني ـــ اللقاء التشاوري ـــ 10 و11 تموز 2011» غطّتا الصورة.
عند الحادية عشرة، كان نصاب الملبّين للدعوة قد اكتمل: يكاد يقتصر حضور المعارضين التقليديين على المفكر طيب تيزيني، الذي كان ضحية لعنف الأمن قبل نحو شهرين فقط في ساحة المرجة في دمشق. ومحاطاً بالروائي وليد إخلاصي والاقتصادي منير حمش، يطلق نائب الرئيس السوري فاروق الشرع النقاش التحضيري لمؤتمر الحوار الوطني، بعد الوقوف دقيقة صمت «على أرواح الشهداء» ودقيقة أخرى لموسيقى النشيد الوطني السوري. بوضوح، قال الشرع إن اللقاء «بداية حوار وطني، نأمل أن يفضي إلى مؤتمر شامل نعلن فيه انتقال سوريا إلى دولة تعددية ديموقراطية، يحظى فيها جميع المواطنين بالمساواة ويشاركون في صياغة مستقبل بلدهم»، واعداً بأن تدعى شخصيات إضافية إلى اللقاءات المقبلة.
وقائع المؤتمر تنقل مباشرة على التلفزيون السوري، يقول الشرع إن «المؤتمر ينعقد في ظروف داخلية وخارجية غير مريحة، ينتابها الشك والريبة وتخفي قدراً لا يستهان به من الرفض والقلق». يتحدث الشرع بلغة حاسمة عن «التحول في مسار القوانين والانتقال من وضع إلى آخر»، معترفاً بـ«الحق المشروع» للمواطن السوري في إيصال صوته ومطالبه المحقة، ومعلناً صدور قرارات بعدم وضع عقبات غير قانونية بوجه سفر أو عودة أي مواطن سوري الى وطنه. وتضمن خطاب الشرع عدّة مواقف لافتة، أهمها: أولاً، أمله أن «يفي الأسد بما وعد به على صعيد التطبيق الكامل للقوانين التي لم تسمح الظروف بأن تدخل حيز التنفيذ، ولا سيما رفع حالة الطوارئ». ثانياً، تأكيده أن التظاهرات غير المرخصة تؤدي إلى «عنف غير مبرر» ينجم عنه سقوط الشهداء من المدنيين والعسكريين، وكلهم أبناء الوطن. ثالثاً، الاعتراف بأنه لولا «التضحيات الجسام التي قدمها شعب سوريا، مدنيين وعسكريين في أكثر من محافظة، لما كان لمثل هذا اللقاء أن يعقد». رابعاً، قول الشرع إن إثارة الغرائز المذهبية والعرقية وعرضها تحت المجهر لإدخال الرعب في نفوس الكبار قبل الصغار كان أمراً سهلاً، لكن «الحوار هو أكثر انسجاماً مع تاريخ سوريا وشعبها المعطاء». خامساً، تأكيده أن الحوار سيؤدي إلى «نظام تعددي ديموقراطي يعطي الشعب الحرية. آملاً نجاح الشعب بالتحول السلمي لكسر الحلقة المفرغة. وسادساً، إشارة الشرع إلى أن «الإصلاحات» هي الوسيلة لشفاء سوريا من جراحها والحؤول دون نكء الخارج لجراحها، ولتصبح سوريا ـــ بعد الإصلاحات ـــ خالية من الأحقاد والضغائن. لافتاً إلى أن «الحوار الوطني يجب أن يتواصل سياسياً، وعلى كل المستويات ومختلف الشرائح، وهذا خيار سياسي».
بعد إنهاء الشرع كلمته، شرح مدير الجلسة منير الحمش أنه سيبدأ توزيع الأدوار على المتداخلين، فسارع بعض الحاضرين إلى استغراب هذا الأمر. فقد أظهرت هفوة حمش منظّمي المؤتمر (النظام) كأنهم قد حضروا مسبقاً توزيع الكلمات وحددوا هوية المتحدثين. فمرر حمش ورقة ليسجل عليها الراغبون في تقديم مداخلات أسماءهم. وريثما تنجز القائمة، أعطى حمش الكلام للمفكر السوري طيب تيزيني، ليتبيّن أن منظّمي المؤتمر يهمّهم الاستماع أولاً إلى الأكثر معارضة للنظام، وسط الحاضرين. ومن دون لف ودوران، قال تيزيني في نقل مباشر على التلفزيون السوري: «لا بديل من فك الدولة الأمنية المهيمنة في سوريا». «يجب البدء بإخراج السجناء الذين بقوا سنوات مديدة، وهم بالآلاف». «تاريخية اللقاء نصنعها نحن بتأسيس دولة القانون التي انتهكت حتى العظم».
الفنانون هنا بالعشرات، وكذلك الشخصيات الإعلامية والحزبية اللبنانية والعربية. يفاجأ الحاضرون والجمهور بلهجة النائب محمد حبش الذي يصنفه كثيرون في خانة النظام. ينتقد حبش «الرصاص الغادر» الذي يقتل المواطنين المطالبين بالحرية. يقول إن حجم المؤامرة لا يتجاوز العشرين في المئة، في مقابل ثمانين في المئة من السوريين يطالبون بالحرية. ويذهب حبش في مطالب تعديل الدستور إلى درجة لم يصلها أي من المعارضين التقليديين في المؤتمرات واللقاءات، فيدعو الى تعديل المادة الثامنة لإنهاء حكم الحزب الواحد، كما يفعل معظم المعارضين. ويضيف المطالبة بتعديل المادة الرابعة والثمانين أيضاً ليفتح باب الترشح لرئاسة الجمهورية، مطالباً بإلغاء حكم الإعدام بحق المنتسبين إلى الإخوان المسلمين، أيضاً.
واحدٌ متحمس، فآخر هادئ: يدعو أنيس كنجو إلى مناقشة دستور جديد يؤسس لدولة مدنية، طالباً من المعارضة التعاون مع الرئيس المتحمس للتغيير. يحمّل الأب الياس زحلاوي إسرائيل، ومن ورائها الولايات المتحدة، مسؤوليةً عن بعض ما تشهده المدن السورية من جهة، ويحثّ السلطة من جهة أخرى على وضع حد للاعتقالات العشوائية وإطلاق سراح جميع المعتقلين. بعده، ذكّر عمر أوسي بمطالب الأكراد التي تعهدت السلطة بالاستجابة لبعضها فقط. هبة الله بيطار تنقل هواجس الشباب الذين يشعرون بالتهميش، مع العلم بأن منظّمي المؤتمر حرصوا على حضور نحو أربعين شاباً لا تتجاوز أعمارهم الخامسة والثلاثين عاماً.
بدوره، بدا رئيس الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي علي حيدر (جناح عبد المسيح) قادراً على الاستفادة من منبر اللقاء ليقول ما يقوله بعض الذين يحاولون احتكار الشارع المعارض في أماكن متفرقة. فحسم أن الحوار الذي يدعو الرئيس بشار الأسد إليه «لن يستقيم، فيما الآلة الأمنية تلاحق وتعتقل كل من يخالف السلطة في الرأي»، ولن يستقيم «في ظل استمرار الفساد الحاصل». ولا بد، بحسب حيدر، أن «يقف العنف والاعتقال التعسفي والدور الأمني المباشر في معالجة الأزمة، ويفك الحصار عن المدن وتشكيل لجان للاطلاع على الأوضاع في هذه المدن».
أما رئيس «اللجنة الوطنية لوحدة الشيوعيين» قدري جميل، فرأى أن الحراك الشعبي الأخير أفرز قيادات جديدة يجب احترامها، معتبراً أن إحباط المؤامرات الخارجية يرتبط بالتوافق الداخلي الذي باتت تحكمه شروط واضحة.
كلمة شبابية أخرى استحوذت على اهتمام الحاضرين، فقد صارح محمد الخطيب المتحلّقين حوله بخوف في داخله «من عدم تطبيق القوانين التي يجري العمل عليها»، فيما دعا الفنان عباس النوري إلى «فك عقد أحزاب الجبهة الوطنية التقدمية بقيادة حزب البعث لإعادة إنتاج حياة سياسية مختلفة وجريئة في سوريا»، معتبراً أن «عهد الشعارات قد ولى». ومع تشديده على أن «تفكيك النظام لا يعني تفكيك الدولة»، رأى أن «الحوار يكون بين طرفين متعادلين، لا على طريقة الاستماع إلى الوفود الشعبية كما جرى في الماضي».
وبوصول الدور إلى طالبة الدكتوراه في الاقتصاد رشا سيروب، كانت الأخيرة قد أعدّت مداخلة منظّمة، رأت فيها أن الحوار خطوة جيدة، لكن نجاحه يرتبط بمصارحة السلطة نفسها في موضوعين أساسيين، هما: تحديد الأسباب التي أدت إلى نشوء الحركات الاحتجاجية، والأدوات التي استخدمتها السلطة وأدت إلى زيادة حدة الحركات الاحتجاجية، مذكّرة الحاضرين بأن المشكلة الأساسية ليست في القوانين، بل في عدم تطبيقها. وانتهت سيروب إلى تأكيد استحالة تحقيق التنمية من دون حرية، والحرية بالنسبة إليها ليست سياسية فقط، بل اقتصادية واجتماعية وثقافية أيضاً، مشيرة إلى أخذ غالبية جيلها بعين الاعتبار أن الحرية والديموقراطية والحياة المدنية لا تكون بكبسة زر. يبدو الكلام هنا أكثر واقعية ومسؤولية من كلام كثير يقال في أماكن أخرى. يصل الدور إلى النظام، حتى فوزي الشعيبي يتحدث عن ضرورة الاجتماع لبناء «دولة الحق والقانون والتعددية والديموقراطية، الدولة التي لا تقصي رأياً ولا تحتكر سلطة».
هنا، رفعت الجلسة الأولى ليتوجه الحاضرون إلى الغداء الذي تحول إلى جلسة تعارف كبيرة. وعلى هامشها، كان البعض يتلقى اتصالات تهنئة ممن فضّل التغيب، مقابل آخرين بادروا هم إلى الاتصال ببعض المتغيبين لمعاتبتهم على تضييع فرصة بدت أولى ضمن سلسلة: مجموعات سورية تختلف في بعض الآراء، لكنها تجلس على طاولة واحدة، من دون ترغيب ولا ترهيب. وينقل التلفزيون السوري وقائع الجلسة كاملة، من دون تحريف ولا تزوير أو تشويش.
حوار الشجعان بدأ أمس في دمشق ويستمر اليوم. السلطة السورية كانت شجاعة في فتحها باب نقاش علنيّ لا سقف له، أظهر استعداداً حقيقياً لقيادة تحول سوريّ على مختلف المستويات. وكانت السلطة شجاعة أيضاً في مصارحتها السوريين لأول مرة بوجوب «الانتقال إلى دولة تعددية ديموقراطية»، ووجود «عنف غير مبرر» ينجم عنه «سقوط الشهداء من المدنيين والعسكريين، وكلهم أبناء الوطن». والذين شاركوا في اللقاء كانوا شجعاناً أيضاً في قولهم كل ما يقوله الشارع السوري وأكثر. وقد تحلى هؤلاء بالشجاعة ليقولوا في داخل الاجتماع العلني نفس ما يقولونه بينهم وبين أنفسهم، بوضوح وصوت عال. وبدا بعض المتكلمين كأنهم يتكلمون عن أنفسهم وآخرين كثر. وبالتالي، كفّت شجاعة من حضر، ووفت الجهود لإعداد مسودة جدية لحوار بدا أمس أنه لن يكون مجرد هروب من النظام إلى الأمام. فمن يفتح هواء التلفزيون السوري لمداخلات أمس، يكون قد بدأ رحلة المصارحة والمصالحة.
مداخلتا هيئة التنسيق وسميراميس
غطّت مداخلات بعض المشاركين في اللقاء التحضيري لمؤتمر الحوار الوطني السوري على غياب معظم المعارضين المعروفين. رئيس هيئة التنسيق الوطني لقوى التغيير الديموقراطي المعارضة حسن عبد العظيم رفض مبدأ اختيار السطة للمعارضة التي تتحاور معها، فضلاً عن استمرارها في الاتكال على الحلِّ الأمني. بالرغم من ذلك، رأى عبد العظيم، في اتصال مع «الأخبار»، أن مداخلات بعض الحزبيين والفنانين كانت أكثر من جيدة وتضمنت بعض أفكار الهيئة التي يرأسها، وتضم معظم الأحزاب والشخصيات السورية المعارضة. أما لؤي حسين المنظم للقاء «سميراميس»، فلم يفهم الهدف من المشاركة في اللقاء «بعد تقديمنا رأينا مكتوباً بمقالات وبيانات وأوراق للسلطة، وقلناه في الإعلام وفي آذان مسؤولين كبار في السلطة، ومن بينهم هيئة الحوار الوطني». ولا يفترض أن تكون الحرية وحقوق الإنسان مادة تشاور أو تحاور؛ «نفاوض على كيفية إزالة النظام الاستبدادي والانتقال السلمي والآمن إلى دولة ديموقراطية مدنية، تقوم على أساس المواطنة والقانون وحقوق الإنسان».
http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/16418
July 11th, 2011, 3:23 pm
jad said:
اللقاء التشاوري يستكمل بحث الأفكار وتبادل الآراء
http://youtu.be/-mxGRRPic7U
July 11th, 2011, 3:28 pm
AIG said:
873,
You did not answer my question. Why are you against Syrians having dual citizenship in the US? Are you a racist and a xenophobe?
As for the Israeli flag, you quote again from antisemitic and racist web sites. The truth is simple:
“The blue stripes are intended to symbolize the stripes on a tallit, the traditional Jewish prayer shawl. The portrayal of a Star of David on the flag of the State of Israel was a natural choice, as it is a widely-acknowledged symbol of Judaism.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel
July 11th, 2011, 3:29 pm
MNA said:
Majed,
“Is’nt it better for the regime to give some concessions now ,than to give huge concessions in the future? releasing all political prisoners now is better for the regime than to enter all out civil war.”
Agree 100%
“The question why the opposition did not go to the conultative meeting?the answer is simple, during war you do not talk when fire is heavy, stop fire then we talk,here fire is continuous killing ,arrest and torture by the regime, first release political prisoners,stop the killing of people then we talk.”
I fully agree that the release of political prisoners and hating the killing should have happened on the first day of the crisis. However, it shoud not be a condition for dialogue if the the other party does not fulfill these demands. Parties in conflict always talk and negotiate during time of wars. It would have been wiser for the opposition that decided not to participate to attend and say exactly what you said in your statement. Just show up and say whatever you want to say. I believe the opposition that did not attend scored major points with the portion of syrians who wishes noting but the toppling of the regime regardless of the price the Syria might pay in the process. On the other hand, the regime scored highly with the still undecided portion of the popuation that is not happy with the regime and see no good alternative with the opposition.
July 11th, 2011, 3:36 pm
Mina said:
While in Bahrain
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/11/west-averts-eyes-brutes-bahrain
Indeed, one can only wonder how many people interfere within Syria “ruling elite”. Since the beginning, every time the tide is turning in favor of the governement, a new catastrophe happens, such as today’s embassy protests…
July 11th, 2011, 3:49 pm
873 said:
AIG,
The portrayal of a Star of David on the flag of the State of Israel was a natural choice, as it is a widely-acknowledged symbol of Judaism.”
It was not a natural choice. It was the Rothschild choice. Its their brand.
There is no 6 pointed Star of David in Torah Old Testament literature (except as the condemned Star of Molech) and you know it. The facts come from jewish scholars themselves, some of whom when Israel was founded argued the same as I am arguing. But of course they- and anything you dont like or that exposes Israel- is antisemitic.
July 11th, 2011, 4:01 pm
AIG said:
873,
As usual, you are a racist liar trying to degenerate Jews.
Here is the history of the Magen David:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/star.html
From the article:
In the 17th century, it became a popular practice to put Magen Davids on the outside of synagogues, to identify them as Jewish houses of worship in much the same way that a cross identified a Christian house of worship
The founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty was born in 1744, in the 18th century, about 100 years later. It has nothing to do with the Rothschilds.
July 11th, 2011, 4:33 pm
Aboud said:
@150 “Since the beginning, every time the tide is turning in favor of the governement, a new catastrophe happens, such as today’s embassy protests…”
*facepalm*
a) How could anything that has happened recently be described as turning in favor of the regime? A conference where no key figures from either the regime or opposition turned up, massive anti-regime demonstrations, and diplomatic fiascoes.
b) A Baathist made disaster. No one forced the regime to send in idiots to ransack two embassies. When will the Baathists stop blaming people for their own screw ups. Or were the attacks on the embassies a plot by Harriri/Bandar/Human Rights Watch?
@145 I agree. The menhebak crowds’ comments have really not been equal to these momentous days.
July 11th, 2011, 4:36 pm
Akbar Palace said:
AIG,
Apparently, antisemites love to use the Star of David for their cartoons. I wonder what they know that 873 doesn’t;)
http://www.google.com/search?q=cartoons+Israel&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADFA_enUS407&prmd=ivnsu&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=uF4bTtzsAcfc0QHa2v37Cw&ved=0CCYQsAQ&biw=1258&bih=843
July 11th, 2011, 4:40 pm
majedkhaldoon said:
MNA
You said you agree 100% that release of political prisoners,was better,and I say that ,this is what the silent majority say,and they think that the regime made major mistakes
1) arrest and torture the kids in the first place.
2) resort to the violent crackdown ,(arrest kill,send Shabbiha,and security forces.
3) slow ,and infact, not doing any reform.
4) deteriorating of economy,and rise of cost of living.
5) continue the state of apprehension. God only knows how long.
I think the protection of Embassies(American,French,and Qatar) is the responsibilty of the syrian regime,this could lead to justifications for foreign invasion.
I said before you make mistake,you LOOSE.
July 11th, 2011, 4:47 pm
why-discuss said:
AIG
#97
برق
July 11th, 2011, 4:53 pm
majedkhaldoon said:
What Mrs. Clinton said today,along with Mr. Paneta visit to Iraq ,both , are ominous signs to Bashar.
Clinton said: The regime in Syria is making mistake to think that america considers that Bashar would not be abandoned.
Clinton said the syrian regime has lost its legitimacy.
July 11th, 2011, 4:55 pm
HS said:
1) Absolutely , no government can accept unauthorized and unplanned demonstrations
2) The government cannot release instantly all political prisoners because there is no easy and clear definition of a political versus criminal prisoner ( each case has to be examined and some prisoners may be dangerous even in a calm period.)
3) The government cannot take back the army from the towns torn by unrest.
4) A new law on election does not even need amendment of the badly written constitution article #8
“””
Article 8 [Baath Party]
The leading party in the society and the state is the Socialist Arab Baath Party. It leads a patriotic and progressive front seeking to unify the resources of the people’s masses and place them at the service of the Arab nation’s goals.
“””
Just ignore it , use existing shells for adding new parties and authorize new parties except sectarian one.
5) The new law on media in discussion could be promulgated quickly.
It is more than time
to have effective actions ,
to stop the quibbles and
to quell the unrest
and to see how the talkative e-opposition will react to the changes.
July 11th, 2011, 5:09 pm
AIG said:
WD,
Running away from debating the issues will get you nowhere.
July 11th, 2011, 5:10 pm
why-discuss said:
Iraqis, who fled to Syria for Safety, are leaving now
http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?articleid=89686
July 11th, 2011, 5:16 pm
jad said:
WD #156
LOLOLOLOL
“Clinton said the syrian regime has lost its legitimacy.”
Oh God have spoken!!
July 11th, 2011, 5:17 pm
AIG said:
Clinton says Assad ‘not indispensible’ amid embassy riot row
By Christophe Schmidt (AFP) – 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON — US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Monday that Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad was “not indispensible” and expressed hope for a “democratic transformation” in his country.
“President Assad is not indispensible and we have absolutely nothing invested in him… remaining in power,” Clinton said.
“From our perspective, he has lost (his) legitimacy. Our goal is to see that the will of the Syrian people for a democratic transformation occurs.”
She made her remarks shortly after Washington earlier Monday angrily summoned Syria’s charge d’affaires, accusing Damascus of an “outrageous” failure to meet its international obligations to protect foreign embassies.
Angry mobs besieged the US and French embassies Monday in apparent retaliation for alleged interference in Syrian affairs by the countries’ ambassadors, who last week traveled to the flashpoint protest city of Hama.
Tensions have been escalating sharply between Damascus and Washington over the Syrian government’s fierce response to pro-democracy protests. Activists say 1,300 civilians have been killed and 12,000 arrested since mid-March.
US officials have accused Assad’s regime of orchestrating protests at foreign embassies for propaganda purposes and to punish the French and American ambassadors for visiting Hama.
After angry mobs stormed the US embassy for the second time in three days, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the Syrian charge d’affaires Mounir Koudmani was being summoned — in place of Ambassador Imad Moustapha who was on vacation.
It would be made “clear that we consider that the Syrian government has not lived up to its obligations under the Vienna Convention to protect diplomatic facilities. And it’s absolutely outrageous,” Nuland said.
“We have to make clear that they have not done the job that all governments are supposed to do in protecting the diplomatic facilities of all resident diplomats in their country,” she said.
Nuland defended Ambassador Robert Ford’s visit last Thursday to Hama, saying “we categorically reject” accusations from Assad’s regime that it was designed to instigate disturbances.
“The ambassador’s trip to Hama made clear to average Syrians — not just in Hama, but around the world — that we stand with those who are seeking their universal human rights to stand up and be counted, to ask for change in a peaceful manner,” she said.
“This is all about the Syrian government being unwilling to live up to what’s really going, to understand what’s really going on in its country, that its own people want change,” Nuland said.
“This is not about foreign governments. This is not about outside instigators. This is not about gangs of thugs. This is about average Syrians wanting change.”
Ford complained to Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem on Sunday about the lack of protection at the US embassy after a first round of food-throwing and rowdy protests Friday-Saturday.
“In that meeting, Ambassador Ford made clear that we did not think that the Syrian government was doing a good enough job in preventing incidents around the embassy,” Nuland said.
“And in that meeting, it’s my understanding, the foreign minister pledged to do a better job. So no sooner does he make that pledge when today we have thugs going over the walls.”
The chancery was not breached but some of the crowd of around 300 climbed up on the roof and reached the ambassador’s residence before being chased away by US Marines guarding the mission. Windows were broken, cameras smashed, walls spray-painted, but no one was injured, officials said.
“I think our main concern here is that the Syrian government, rather than dealing with its own internal problems and rather than addressing the grievances of its own people, is seeking to make distractions around our embassy,” Nuland said.
“We are concerned that a government-sponsored TV station seemed to be inciting this mob earlier today.”
Ford and French counterpart Eric Chevallier visited Hama on Thursday amid fears of a bloody protest crackdown by Assad’s forces, with tanks encircling the city.
Syrian state news agency SANA said both envoys were summoned Sunday to the foreign ministry to protest the Hama trip. A senior US official in Washington said Ford’s meeting was already scheduled, at the American’s request.
Copyright © 2011 AFP. All rights reserved.
July 11th, 2011, 5:19 pm
why-discuss said:
Syria Opposition were Officially asked to Be Positive
http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?articleid=89684
….Journalist Ghassan Ben Jeddo said the opening session was good and had lots of honesty and transparency, adding that “The meeting today is a national historic moment to open the doors for a serious and comprehensive national dialogue…
July 11th, 2011, 5:19 pm
Aboud said:
So now we know what was behind Ford’s Facebook note; the US government have stopped giving a rat’s a** about junior.
I wonder how the regime can keep an ambassador in a country that doesn’t recognize the president’s legitimacy? Expect to see Imad Mustapha recalled on the next plane back.
“Mounir Koudmani was being summoned — in place of Ambassador Imad Moustapha who was on vacation.”
Hehehehe, “on vacation”. Dude, we all know that going on vacation during a crisis is an age-honored way of shirking responsibility for hard decisions. Not much of an ambassador we seem to have there….
But that’s OK, while junior loses his legitimacy, the Baathists can keep themselves distracted by discussing the origins of the Star of David.
So, any ideas who to put on the 1000 lira note to replace Papa Assad?
July 11th, 2011, 5:19 pm
jad said:
قائمة المشاركين السوريين في المؤتمر الصهيوني الذي نظمه برنارد هنري ليفي في باريس
1- عمر صادق جلال العظم : عضو مؤتمر انطاليا مقيم في أمريكا
2- عهد الهندي : عضو مؤتمر انطاليا اخوان مسلمين وهو أحد المقربين من عبد الرزاق عيد ضبط من قبل فرع الكمبيوتر في المخابرات السورية قبل سنوات وهو يقوم بإتصالات مع شبكة لجهاز الموساد في أحد مقاهي الأنترنت في دمشق الأمر الذي أدى لإعتقاله بضعة أسابيع بعدها تم إبرام صفقة معه وإرساله للخارج بسبب إجادته اللغة الإنكليزية حيث تحول لعميل مزدوج بعد أن باشر العمل مع وكالة المخابرات المركزية الأمريكية
3- لمى الأتاسي : عضو مؤتمر انطاليا وقريبة مباشرة لفرحان الأتاسي الذي أعدم في الستينيات بتهمة التجسس
4- رضوان باديني : عضو مؤتمر انطاليا كردي سوري مقيم في بريطانيا
5- عبد الإله ثامر طراد الملحم: عضو مؤتمر انطاليا إسلامي عشائري من عشيرة عنزة
6- عمار قربي : عضو مؤتمر انطاليا
7- سندس سليمان : عضو في حزب الحداثة
8- سليم منعم : فنان تشكيلي مقيم في فرنسا
9- جورجيت علم : سورية مقيمة في فرنسا
10- أديب الشيشكلي : سوري مقيم في بريطانيا كان يعمل مع رفعت الأسد والأن هو أحد أزلام خدام
11- ضيف الشرف في هذا اللقاء ألكسندر غولد فارب عضو كنيست إسرائيلي ووزير سابق عن حركة تسوميت العنصرية ولاحقا مساعد وزير الدفاع الإسرائيلي باراك ومستشاره لشؤون الصناعات الامنية والعسكرية
July 11th, 2011, 5:20 pm
why-discuss said:
Tunisians protest prospect of Israel ties
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/188507.html
Hundreds of people have taken to the streets of the Tunisian capital calling on their government to refrain from establishing diplomatic ties with Israel.
“Death to all Tunisians attempting to normalize relations with Israel,”…”We will denounce them and publish their names,” AFP quoted Ahmed Kahlaoui, who chairs a committee opposing the normalization of ties between the countries.
July 11th, 2011, 5:23 pm
jad said:
رجال أعمال أوروبيين يزورون دمشق
شوكوماكو – خاص
على الرغم من العقوبات الاقتصادية التي فرضتها حكومات الدول الأوروبية على سوريا، فقد كسر هذا الحاجز مجموعة من رجال الأعمال الأوروبيين بوصولهم إلى دمشق يوم الإثنين بهدف دعم الاقتصاد السوري وتفعيل الاستثمارات والشراكات مع سورية.
ومن المقرر أن يتوجه الوفد المشكل من 41 رجل أعمال أوروبي إلى هيئة الاستثمار صباح الثلاثاء للقاء رئيس الهيئة ومجموعة من المسؤولين الاقتصاديين في سوريا، وكان الوفد الأوروبي قد التقى لدى وصوله مع رجال أعمال سوريين ودارت حوارات حول سبل التعاون الاقتصادي.
يذكر أن الوفد الأوروبي الذي قدم من دول ايطاليا وسويسرا والسويد وومانيا برفقة صحفيين قد حضر بمبادرة من مغتربين سوريين.
July 11th, 2011, 5:23 pm
why-discuss said:
Jad
Thanks for publishing that list. Everybody should know who these people are.
I saw Mrs Atassi interviewed on the french TV, she looks totally false and incompetent. She said he was worried about her life and when the interviewer asked her if he got threats, she said with a smile: no, no but I may get, who knows, it may happen.
I wonder who would want to take seriously or even threat such a silly person.
July 11th, 2011, 5:32 pm
why-discuss said:
France tells Libya rebels to seek peace with Gaddafi
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/10/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110710
After 4 months of war, thousands of death, destruction and millions of Euros lost, this is a most brilliant move for French diplomacy that now talks about keeping Gaddafi or his son in power! A real fiasco, hardly mentionned in the french media.
A French minister said on Sunday it was time for Libya’s rebels to negotiate with Muammar Gaddafi’s government, but Washington said it stood firm in its belief that the Libyan leader cannot stay in power.
Read this too
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/188537.html
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the Libyan ruler’s son, said in an interview with an Algerian newspaper on Monday that negotiations between the Libyan regime and French government were underway.
“Our envoy to (Nicolas) Sarkozy said that the French president was very clear and told him ‘We created the (rebel) council, and without our support, and money, and our weapons, the council would have never existed,’” Saif al-Islam was quoted as saying.
France has said it will pressure the Libyan opposition council to start talks with the regime as soon as Paris reaches an agreement with Tripoli, Gaddafi’s son said.
and this
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/us-france-libya-idUSTRE76A24Y20110711
Al-Islam was quoted in Algeria’s El Khabar newspaper on Monday as saying that Gaddafi’s administration was talking directly to Paris, and not to the rebels.
French officials acknowledged the government was growing increasingly impatient with the stalemate in Libya, but denied there has been any shift in position.
“There is no change of course in the French position,” a Defense Ministry source told Reuters.
President Nicolas Sarkozy’s office declined to comment.
In an interview with French regional daily Sud Ouest, Juppe left open the possibility of Gaddafi remaining in Libya.
“The question is not to know whether he must leave, but when and how,” he was quoted as saying.
Asked whether that meant Gaddafi could stay in Libya if he stood down, or would be allowed to go to another country with guarantees, Juppe said: “I don’t have the answer to that, but the African Union is working on it.”
July 11th, 2011, 5:48 pm
AIG said:
WD,
One has every right as a Tunisian to be against normalizing relations with Israel. But no one has the right to threaten death to people who do support normalizing ties. When the Tunisians elect a parliament, it will decide how it wants to go with relations with Israel. But your and Jad’s continuing method of trying to disqualify people based on their associations is despicable. Argue the message, not the messenger.
July 11th, 2011, 5:53 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
#169
For you there is always a light that never goes out. Looking back in time I must confess that I would have never imagined that proregime supporters would put all their hopes in the future or someone like Gadafi. This is really desperate.
July 11th, 2011, 6:01 pm
why-discuss said:
SL
My point is not Ghadafi, it is the arrogance and the failure of the western powers who believe they can change countries the way they want, because they have the military power.
Whether Ghaddafi stays or not is the Libyans to decide, not anyone else.
July 11th, 2011, 6:11 pm
Tara said:
Why-Discuss
I do not want to hear ” I am sorry you got mad”. I want to hear ” I am sorry I insinuated you are a traitor and I did not really mean it”
These were my prior comments with the Israelis:
1-Discussion of 873 comment in regard to the Talmud- I did specify there that I do not hate the jews and would not challenge the answers. Israel was not discussed.
2-Discussion of the islamic penalty of the Raddah (conversion out of Islam)
3-Discussion of Christian Zionist
4-Answer to Amir in regard to the location of first opposition meeting being moved to Semiramis
5-Discussion of my view of “ultimate Arab victory” which I defined as ” a just peace”
6-Question in regard to if Arabs and Israelis school children are taught the same history of Islam tolerance towards Judaism and christianity
7-A question today in regard to the general perception whether all Israelis are evil without exception
8-Commending Amir’ opinion that he wants freedom and dignity to the Palestinian currently under the Israeli occupation
Where did you draw a conclusion that Tara has “sympathy and subtle preference” for Israel? From my opposing view to the Assad regime? From refusing a regime having a dialogue with itself? From refusing to consider any other option while the killing machine continues? From my support to HA? from the way I relate to the Palestinian cause?
I did like to talk to you and I did very much appreciate your opinions no matter how different they were from mine. I managed to see a “person” beyond your political views that I considered terrifying by supporting a regime that killed 1400 plus and tortured children. I thought you and some few others here were different…. I thought you brought substance to Syria Comment and in the interim resisted the temptation to go low…. I am sorry I was wrong. You proved that you are nothing but.. the same. You can keep your opinions. I am interested no more.
July 11th, 2011, 6:13 pm
why-discuss said:
AIG
“despicable”
Who’s talking?
July 11th, 2011, 6:13 pm
why-discuss said:
Tara
Same here
July 11th, 2011, 6:14 pm
Tara said:
Why-discuss
That is all what you can say?
July 11th, 2011, 6:22 pm
jad said:
Good luck with that WD 🙂
July 11th, 2011, 6:24 pm
Jad said:
No Jad, no. I think you are the one who needs the luck for this regime to remain in power.
July 11th, 2011, 6:28 pm
jad said:
🙂 I’m talking to myself…again!
July 11th, 2011, 6:30 pm
Tara said:
And I have no interest in talking to yourself. But when you post a specific reply whether you address it to a person or not, you should expect a reply too… Sometimes
July 11th, 2011, 6:35 pm
jad said:
Who talked to you Tara?? I was talking to WD about AIG!, Shou da7shek bi’lns?
July 11th, 2011, 6:40 pm
Tara said:
Ok jad . Then I am sorry. i thought you were talking to me. I take my comments back. I misunderstood you.
July 11th, 2011, 6:42 pm
jad said:
Tara,
No need to apologize for nothing.
July 11th, 2011, 6:44 pm
Abughassan said:
I am itching to speak but I am waiting until the rumors I heard become news. Few more days. I am reading your posts,guys. Thanks to all.
July 11th, 2011, 7:06 pm
jad said:
“I am itching to speak but I am waiting until the rumors I heard become news.”
Come-on, say it! Is Syria withdrawing Imad Moustafa or the American withdrawing Ford…or both!
July 11th, 2011, 7:17 pm
N.Z. said:
Bashar Asaad is stepping down ?
July 11th, 2011, 7:21 pm
louai said:
‘Imad Mustapha was called in to meet with top State Department officials “to express a number of our concerns with the reported actions of certain Syrian embassy staff in the United States. We received reports that Syrian mission personnel under ambassador Mustapha’s authority have been conducting video and photographic surveillance of people participating in peaceful demonstrations in the United States.”
As if the embassy need to film the protestors to know who they are
The protestors filming themselves and posting on youtube , very clear faces and smiling to the camera ? What the need to film from away?
Here an example
http://www.twitvid.com/JWWXC
not enough ? just google Syrian protest London/Washington embassy and get loads
July 15th, 2011, 1:38 am
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