“Let’s Call Bashar’s Bluff” by Reinoud Leenders
Posted by Joshua on Friday, November 11th, 2011
Let’s Call Bashar’s Bluff
By Reinoud Leenders
Guest Opinion Piece
Those who say that the Arab League initiative on Syria is already dead and buried, as could have been expected from anything generated by this dysfunctional and toothless ‘talk shop’, can and should be proven wrong. True, nothing tangible was achieved after the Arab League on 2 November committed the Syrian regime to withdrawing its military from restive cities, releasing political prisoners and starting a national dialogue on democratic reforms. Instead the violence escalated, with security forces and tanks besieging and killing protestors across the country including in Homs, now declared a “humanitarian disaster area” by the oppositional Local Coordinating Committees of Syria. Indeed, President Bashar al-Assad’s true intentions to accept the initiative deserve to be looked at with great scepticism as it gains him some time, confronts the already divided opposition with the unattractive option to dialogue with his brutal regime, and allows the latter to heap blame for further violence on terrorists, armed insurgents and even the U.S. With the Syrian uprising going into its eight month, and despite all good intentions of the Arab League, the death toll has reached 3,500, according to the UN Commissioner for Human Rights.
Consequently, talk of international military intervention to stop the regime’s atrocities has resumed, while at least some members of the Arab League appear to consider expelling Syria from the organization for not living up to its commitments. In Western capitals efforts are put into designing yet another wave of sanctions, on top of the ones already in place since May this year. The problem is that such proposed measures are at best only generating a sense of moral satisfaction among Syria’s critics, but they are unlikely to do the job. They won’t stop the bloodshed or remove the regime before the killing may reach the apocalyptic proportions of the early 1980s, or even worse. Respectively, after NATO’s Libya intervention there are no enthusiastic candidates to fly sorties over Hama or Homs while Russia and China are there to kill the idea if there were. Losing Arab League membership, given the organization’s dismal record, although resented, won’t cause the regime to lose much sleep. More sanctions may only have an effect in the long run, indeed when the revolutionary momentum is dead or a protracted insurgency may have made any dreams of a democratic transition for the country all but irrelevant.
So what will Arab league delegates at their scheduled meeting for coming Saturday, 12 November, possibly discuss? If it is going to be business as usual, the Qataris, who called for the meeting, will add their voice to the growing chorus of condemnation for the Syrian regime’s insincerity and brutality. Others may privately echo some of the options above, without addressing their futility. The U.S. and Europe, for their part, will feel vindicated in their position, hammered home at every possible occasion, that the Syrian regime simply has to go. But the Cairo meeting doesn’t have to go into history as yet another spasm of obsolete Arab unity or, for that matter, as another marker of marking the international community’s selective record on the ‘responsibility to protect’. This, however, would require the Arab League, the U.S. and Europe to change gear now.
Let’s call the Syrian regime’s bluff and bring the Arab League initiative to the UN Security Council. Yes, the same Security Council that thus far failed to agree on any initiative or words of significance pertaining to the Syrian crisis thanks mainly to Russian and Chinese obstructionism. Here the Arab League’s chief Nabil al-Arabi should politely but firmly express his organization’s concern that ‘the parties involved unfortunately cannot agree on an effective mechanism to verify compliance’. The US and Europe then could tell the Russians and the Chinese: ‘This is what your friends in Damascus and the Arabs agreed on, so let’s take this seriously, and let’s see what the UN can do to add its authority and assistance to this fully Arab initiative. Besides, haven’t you both also been recently calling on the Syrian government to initiate and expedite serious reforms? In fact, let’s improve and bolster the Arab League initiative, firmly remaining within its spirit, not in the least by explicitly recognizing the right to peaceful demonstrations and include effective (Arab) monitoring mechanisms.’ Nodding to Syrian regime concerns, a cessation of violence would also have to apply to army defectors loosely gathered in the Free Syrian Army, which two days after the Arab League initiative announced it would intensify its attacks in response to relentless regime violence. This package, then, would have to be voted on within the Security Council as the Arab League-endorsed and -led UN answer to the Syrian crisis. To the Syrian regime, always insisting on its ‘exceptionalism’, it will be a clear signal that Syria will be no second Libya, and that it is a partner in a solution, not a pariah on its way out. That, of course, will trouble the opposition. But while Syrian protestors’ calls for international intervention, vaguely defined or understood, have grown louder, time has come to acknowledge that there isn’t going to be much more on offer for them in this respect. Even if this joint Arab League – UN effort will fail, the Syrian regime’s ties with China and Russia to have greatly suffered as a result. That would leave the regime in an even more uncomfortable situation of splendid isolation, only left with Iran.
Reinoud Leenders is assistant professor in International Relations at the University of Amsterdam and co-editor (with Steven Heydemann) of Comparing Authoritarianisms: Reconfiguring Power and Regime Resilience in Syria and Iran, (Forthcoming).
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Norman said:
Anything that comes out the security council can not be trusted,after they left the Golan occupied for 40 years,
I have a question for the author and Joshua,
Do you think that the fear of the Christians in Syria especially that most of them are Orthodox, is affecting the position of Russia and to a lesser extend the West, as we know, before Russia became communist it was the protector of Christian orthodoxy in the Mideast and Egypt, and it is to the point that there is no chance for supporting the opposition of a violent overthrow of the Syrian government, President Assad and the Baath party.
November 11th, 2011, 5:00 pm
Alex said:
Norman, there is some truth to what you suggested, but it is not the major factor influencing Russian policy on Syria
Russia’s Patriarch is visiting Syria soon according to this piece of news I read on FB today:
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November 11th, 2011, 5:21 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Syria, and especially the Syrian sea ports, is Russia’s last bastion in the ME. If Syria falls under the west’s hegemony, Russia is completely out of the region. That is why Russia is going to support this criminal Assadist junta to the very end. Don’t count on the UNSC. The best it can give you is a moral support. Any thing beyond moral will be blocked by a Russian veto.
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November 11th, 2011, 5:45 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Religion has nothing to do at all with the position Russia put itself in support of this regime, it is the competition between Russia and USA ,who has areas of control.Russia has been building a base in Tartous.Russia has close relationship with Syria for long time.
AL may freeze Syria membership in AL,they did that to Lybia,more important is to kick out all syrian ambassadors from many countries,stop all trade and other financial relations.stop all travels to Syria.block syrian Media. The Syrian oil refinery must stop functioning, the generator of electricity must stop working, phone boxes, There is one in every street, they need to stop working.then you will see people on the street demonstrating in Damascus and Aleppo.
November 11th, 2011, 6:18 pm
jad said:
Long but worth reading:
American Options in Syria
Policy Innovation Memorandum No. 9
Author:
Elliott Abrams, Senior Fellow for Middle Eastern Studies
Publisher: Council on Foreign Relations Press
Release Date: October 2011
http://www.cfr.org/syria/american-options-syria/p26226
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November 11th, 2011, 6:25 pm
Norman said:
Majed,
you are advocating anarchy, Is that what you want for the Syrian people to suffer more, I do not think that is you.
November 11th, 2011, 6:25 pm
Zenobia said:
One persons’ “anarchy” is another’s Civil Disobedience….
November 11th, 2011, 6:46 pm
Tara said:
How Turkey’s Syria policy evolved
Friday, November 11, 2011
?lhan Tan?r
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=how-turkey8217s-syria-policy-evolved-2011-11-11
Jeffrey Feltman, assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern Affairs, during his testimony on Syria at the U.S. Senate this week, summarized Turkey’s contribution to the events in Syria in three points: Sheltering refugees, opening up a space for Syrian oppositions to organize and imposing arms embargo on the Syrian regime. Luke Bronin, deputy assistant secretary at Department of Treasury, at the same panel, stated, ”it is hard to overstate Turkey’s break with Syria.” Both officials compared Ankara’s close relations with Damascus only a year ago with today and appeared as if they were explaining a miracle taking place and they are certainly not alone.
One senior official from Ankara this week gave detailed account about how Turkey’s Syrian policy evolved over the summer. According to this official, “pursuing realist policy to protect our economic interests in Syria was one of the options. But we quickly brushed aside this option as we thought such policy only give more room to Assad to increase his pressure, possibly kill or torture many more people. In such a turn of events, we might have ended up facing with 300 to 500 thousand people in our borders as refugees.”
Following Davutoglu’s visit to Damascus in August, Ankara realized Assad has no intention to reform and it began its tough stance against him by blending moral concerns with realism while dealing with the situation next door.
According to this top official, Ankara came to a conclusion that as democracy is spreading around its neighborhood, Turkey only benefits from it. Countries like Bulgaria, Romania and Georgia are testament to this reality when we look at the great relations Turkey is having with these countries when compared with the past. “Just like domino theory” said the official, following a chuckle, “we see democracy as an unstoppable force of history and we arrived at its doorstep.”
Ankara also doesn’t understand why some people in the West were so taken aback by strong Islamist showings as alternative governments going forward. The dictators in those countries didn’t really allow liberal or other parties to flourish. It was only Islamists who were able to stay organized because they were able to gather five times a day
Ankara thinks its past relations with dictators now changed because people in these countries demand their freedom, protest for their rights. This erodes these regimes legitimacy greatly. Ankara wants to actively support human rights causes but at the same time maximize its economic interests. And it constantly seeks ways to meet with these two objectives at an optimal point.
The reason for Ankara to hold back on the economic sanctions currently is because there are just too many unknowns in the Syrian equation. The U.N. Security Council has not moved since the last attempt for sanctions on Assad was derailed by Russia and China. Arab League will go to another emergency meeting Nov. 12 and things there appear uncertain at best. The Syrian opposition very much fragmented. The U.S. is also not making a lot of effort. “Turkey simply can’t gamble in this environment,” the official concluded.
Currently, Ankara is taking its time and waiting for international community to come forward before it takes further steps.
Feltman said when we look at how far we came in recent weeks with regard to Syria, “I can basically say Assad is finished.” Feltman, for the first time, publicly mentioned there is the idea floating around of organizing an international contact group for Syria, one similarly and successfully done in the Libya case.
Turkey must lead such international gatherings to accelerate the transition in Syria. All indications show we are getting closer by day to that point and this time Turkey cannot excuse itself from leading.
November 11th, 2011, 6:56 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Norman
I am advocating more pressure on the regime.
November 11th, 2011, 6:59 pm
irritated said:
Majed
pressure to what? to resign and have Ghalioun and the cockroach Radwan Ziadeh in charge of the army and the country, you must be joking!
November 11th, 2011, 7:12 pm
bronco said:
Turkey`s fiasco in protecting the survivors from the effects of the second earthquake in Van shows that under the headlines of an apparently successful economy and pompous declarations of being “a model for Arabs”, Turkey has still a corrupt and incompetent system that ignores the value of people’s lives.
Blame game flares up over Van quake fiasco
Friday, November 11, 2011
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=blame-game-flares-up-over-van-quake-fiasco-2011-11-11
VAN. With no one to claim responsibility for structural assessment reports, even PM Erdo?an takes a turn pointing fingers as the blame game heats up
The main opposition party put the blame on the government’s shoulders. Republican People’s Party (CHP) deputy chairman Akif Hamzaçebi questioned how the government would explain the deaths after the government had reassured the public that the necessary precautions had been taken.
During a press conference on Nov. 11, Hamzaçebi accused the government of “committing murder.” The government gave the impression that everything in Van was OK following the first earthquake, but the second earthquake proved that the necessary precautions had not been taken by officials, Hamzaçebi said.
“A building that was damaged in the first earthquake collapsed in the second 5.6-magnitude earthquake killing people. The government is responsible for this,” Hamzaçebi said.
November 11th, 2011, 7:38 pm
jna said:
3. Amir in Tel Avivsaid:
Syria, and especially the Syrian sea ports, is Russia’s last bastion in the ME. ……
Good point.
November 11th, 2011, 7:39 pm
Norman said:
Zenobia,
Destroying public property is not civil disobedience, I am right?
Majed,
Pressure yes but no violence, it is scaring the people, That is what preventing the people of Damascus and Aleppo and the other cities from joining in fear from anarchy, which will make it difficult for everybody to make a living ,
November 11th, 2011, 7:41 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Thank you for your answer. Adding “ia”to a name takes away from it. Reem is a nicer name than Reema and Camille is a nicer name than Camilia…in my opinion.
I found a great link discussing Camille Claudel and Rodin relation. I liked the description of Camille’s raw emotions.
http://www.kellscreations.com/blog/2008/05/31/camille-claudel-and-august-rodin—a-symbiotic-love-affair-gone-wrong/
November 11th, 2011, 7:56 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: IRRITATED
RE: “…pressure to what? to resign and have Ghalioun and the cockroach Radwan Ziadeh in charge of the army and the country, you must be joking!…”
One person’s cockroach is another person’s leader. I know some people who refer to your God Bashar as a cockroach.
November 11th, 2011, 8:07 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: BRONCO BILLY COOLING HIS HEELS IN BASHAR’S BUNKHOUSE
RE: “…Turkey has still a corrupt and incompetent system…”
Nobody’s perfect, Dude. Not even your god Bashar…
November 11th, 2011, 8:10 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
How could stop phones and gasoline and electricity how could these stop people from making a living?
November 11th, 2011, 8:10 pm
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November 11th, 2011, 8:14 pm
bronco said:
Tara #14
Agree on your view on the ending “a”. Camille Claudel was a very tormented personality. I don’t know much about Camilla Al Atrash.
November 11th, 2011, 8:16 pm
jad said:
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http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=2001&ChannelId=47391&ArticleId=1060&Author=%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%B4%D9%8A%D9%84%20%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%88
November 11th, 2011, 8:18 pm
ann said:
Parts of Syria’s Homs turn normal, others seem lifeless
2011-11-12
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/12/c_122269179.htm
HOMS, Syria, Nov. 11 (Xinhua) — As sporadic gunfire could still be heard in Syria’s unrest-strewn city of Homs, many in the restive areas opted to remain at home. Yet in some neighborhoods, people braved the spotty gunshots for entertainment in an unusually balmy fall Friday afternoon.
In such neighborhoods as Fakhoura and Bab Tadmur which have witnessed intense violence recently, shop windows were seen smashed into pieces, while several civilian as well as police vehicles were destroyed and roads ravaged.
These neighborhoods have been the focal points of anti- governmental protests in the past weeks, and in some cases, hubs of armed resistance against the government forces.
But in other areas such as Muhajireen, Hamidiah, Zahra and Arman, life seems to have already returned to its normal pace. People were strolling around casually, smoking Shisha in street cafes, while some in a park in the Muhajireen neighborhood were enjoying the warm afternoon with a picnic atmosphere despite the crackles of distant gunfire as the backdrop.
“By God’s will, all people will be alright and our nation as well,” an old lady from Muhajireen, who goes by the honorific name of Um Muhammad, told Xinhua.
Her optimism was shared by Ahmad Kaser Ali from the Arman neighborhood. According to Ali, “the armed groups have ravaged our beautiful country … but thanks God, the situation is now better than before.”
In Arman, it is notable that there were now no army presence except for some law-enforcement vehicles and some checkpoints set up in some hotspots alleys.
However, a Xinhua cameraman said he still saw the existence of snipers near a rubble-strewn street during a tour to the Fakhoura neighborhood. And journalists were advised not to enter areas such Bab Amro and Bayada as the situation there was still considered unsafe.
Homs, Syria’s third largest city and home to about 800,000 people, has drawn worldwide attention due to the horrific reports emerging from the city over the past months. In a report released on Friday, Human Rights Watch said that security forces have killed at least 587 civilians in Homs from mid-April to the end of August.
But the Syrian government denies such claims, accusing the ” armed groups” of being behind the violence in Homs and other cities.
In the meantime, the opposition council has called on the Arab League, which is set to meet in an emergency session on Saturday to discuss Syrian crisis, to suspend Syria’s membership and back sanctions against those responsible for rights abuses.
According to activists, Homs is deemed as the center of the Syrian unrest as protests are being staged there on a daily basis and its resilient residents showing unrelenting determination to stick to their demands that have amounted to toppling the current administration.
Protests there have even turned violent and claimed the lives of a number of civilians and security agents and policemen in a revenge-related killings.
Syria’s state-run news agency said on Friday that clashes between government forces and armed groups had left five gunmen and two law-enforcement officials dead in the Bayada neighborhood in Homs.
Meanwhile, the pan-Arab al-Jazeera television said 21 people were killed across Syria on Friday during new waves of anti- government protests. It said 12 of them were killed in Homs alone.
But al-Jazeera’s toll could not be independently verified as it is based on tallies by witnesses and broad-based activists who oppose President Assad.
Syria has overtly charged that some countries are behind the unrest in the country and even fund what it called armed terrorist groups it blames for killing hundreds of policemen and military personnel across the country.
November 11th, 2011, 8:25 pm
jad said:
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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/25522
November 11th, 2011, 8:31 pm
Tara said:
It doesn’t look like we should expect much from the AL. Syrians are on their own….and the blood spill is going to continue.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15703311
11 November 2011
Tough dilemma for Arab League over Syria
By Jon Leyne
BBC News, Cairo
The headquarters of the Arab League is just a few hundred metres from Tahrir Square, in the centre of Cairo.
The effects of the demonstrations there, that unseated President Mubarak earlier this year, are still reverberating round the organisation’s headquarters.
For many years the Arab League was mocked, as the epitome of all that was wrong in the old Arab world.
It was seen as a body given to making grand statements, which only thinly veiled its powerlessness and its deep divisions.
But earlier this year, the surprise decision of the league to endorse a no-fly zone over Libya dramatically changed that assessment.
The move was crucial in building up pressure for a UN resolution, which in turn led to the Nato military intervention in Libya.
Huge divisions
Nervous of their restive populations, Arab governments had made a collective decision that, for once, changed history.
Now they face an even more tougher dilemma over the situation in Syria.
It took months of violence inside Syria, before the Arab League spoke out. Since then, the organisation has been increasingly outspoken.
Just under two weeks ago it negotiated a peace plan with Syria, which, if implemented, would have made a huge difference to the situation there.
Syria pledged to end violence against protesters, pull back its tanks, release political prisoners, and move quickly to open a political dialogue with the opposition.
Despite Syria agreeing to the peace plan, protesters continue to be killed.
But while Syria claims to be putting the plan into action, there’s little obvious sign of it on the ground.
So the Arab League once again faces the danger of being written off as irrelevant and powerless.
Once again there are huge divisions, between those Arab governments who represent the old order, and the countries which may now be moving to democracy.
But even the most conservative governments have realised that the situation in Syria has become dangerous to their own survival.
The dilemma for the members of the Arab League is how to wield their limited power.
Many Syrian opposition supporters want it to expel Syria.
It would be a bitter blow to a country proud of its support for pan-Arabism, and it could increase pressure for tough UN action, though no-one is expecting a Libyan-style military intervention.
But the move would also mark the end of the Arab League’s role in the crisis. Once Syria was out of the League, that would be it.
So it seems that for the moment, the members of the League are reluctant to go that far.
Suspicious as they are of Syria’s intentions, they are still working with its government, and with opposition groups, to try to encourage political dialogue.
No-one in the League has any illusions about the chances of success, and the suspension of Syria from membership may eventually become inevitable.
But it is clear that the Arab countries that make up the League want to exhaust every option before they take that radical step.
November 11th, 2011, 8:42 pm
Dale Andersen said:
From the EU/Saudi/Salafist/JewJew/al-Qaeda Press:
Syria: 250 killed in 11 Days.
Nice job, Besho. Kill one more for Asma and the kids!
November 11th, 2011, 8:50 pm
Hans said:
Anderson Cooper on 360 CNN, interviewed a Syrian activist who wanted and insisted his name to be broadcasted and displayed on the TV screen….
He spoke good enough if not excellent English…
if you watch the clip at some part of the clip you think the soldiers are the Israelis soldiers not Syrian ones the way they are dressed, it doesn’t appear the normal uniform of the Syrian army or police; “at the clip where the soldiers are pulling a child on the ground” then the Video switch to Syrian police looking at the camera… so they are not shooting but looking the camera smiling, so if the opposition is the one who are filming the video then the police won’t be smiling at the camera and if it is the pro regime taping then why the CNN broadcasting it!!!
Is it just my observation or I have a point there?
Another observation the activist referring to people in Syria suffering as being ” there” not “here” which make me think the activist lives outside Syria, therefore, video is a fabricated one if my points are accurate…. who doesn’t know that CNN is equal to Aljazeera of the ME.
November 11th, 2011, 8:59 pm
newfolder said:
an excellent video about the role of women in the Syrian revolution
November 11th, 2011, 9:01 pm
Ghufran said:
An opposition site accuses Marwa of being an agent for the regime
http://the-syrian.com/archives/52496
November 11th, 2011, 9:10 pm
Norman said:
I just do not know how long it is going to take the opposition to understand that half the loaf is better than no loaf, and i do not know how long it is going to take the government to understand that moving full speed ahead on reform and election with time table is what we need,
The question is how many people have to die before both of them recognize that they need to work for the Syrian people and save them.
November 11th, 2011, 9:15 pm
Ghufran said:
Ghalioun will pay a political price for this candid interview
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86%20%D8%BA%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%B1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.assafir.com%2FArticle.aspx%3FEditionID%3D2000%26ChannelID%3D47357%26ArticleID%3D1021&ei=W9e9TvGPDsmjtgfskpnkBg&usg=AFQjCNHbyYoke2PQgiVfyLREltT50c-9_g
November 11th, 2011, 9:20 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Norman said
half the loaf is better than no loaf
Norman is removing half the tumor is better than removing all the tumor?or better than not removing the tumor?
Ghufran
The story about Zainab is not finished yet,Zainab has not returned to her mother yet.read AlQuds you will see more to come.
November 11th, 2011, 9:25 pm
ann said:
Why Is the Obama Adminstration Arming an Islamist-Led Turkey?
http://blogs.cbn.com/stakelbeckonterror/archive/2011/11/11/why-is-the-obama-adminstration-arming-an-islamist-led-turkey.aspx
Note to America, Europe and Israel: Turkey is gone and it isn’t coming back. That is, so long as it is led by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Islamist AKP Party.
Although Israeli officials speak publicly about preserving Israel’s relationship with Turkey, they know in their guts that things are beyond salvageable, thanks to Erdogan and Co.’s relentless campaign of anti-Israel demagoguery and aggression. European powers, too, must realize this instinctively as they watch their erstwhile NATO ally cozy up to Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Muslim Brotherhood.
In fact, respected Middle East analyst Daniel Pipes now believes that a rapidly radicalizing Turkey is the greatest threat, along with a the prospect of a nuclear Iran, to Middle East stability.
The Obama administration, however, seems to consider Erdogan’s Turkey a model of moderation. Administration officials have gone out of their way to praise Erdogan. And in a particularly infuriating spectacle, Obama greeted his favorite Islamist with a big hug at the G-20 meetings in Cannes last week, in full view of other world leaders (not to mention Israeli officials in Jerusalem)
This was a natural progression (regression?), I suppose, from Obama’s now-infamous bow to the King of Saudi Arabia in 2009.
In fact, Obama reportedly talks to Erdogan more than he does any other world leader, with the exception of Britain’s David Cameron. Now comes the bitter fruit of the Obama/Erdogan bro-mance, as detailed by AEI’s Michael Rubin, writing in Commentary:
Turkey’s behavior has been atrocious in recent years. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) has presided over a regime which, according to the Pew Global Attitudes Survey, is now the world’s most anti-American. Statistics released by Turkey’s Justice Ministry to Turkey’s own parliament show that, under AKP tutelage, the murder rate of women in Turkey hasincreased 1,400 percent.
Erdo?an has placed more than five dozen journalists in prison; many have never had the opportunity to defend themselves in court. Turkey now ranks alongside Russia among the worst offenders of press freedom in the industrialized world. Namik Tan, the Turkish ambassador in Washington, has marred his tenure by facilitating the threatening of critics of Erdo?an in the United States. In recent months, Turkish ministers have even threatened Israel and Cyprus with military force.
So what does President Obama propose to do? Send Super Cobra helicopters and perhaps even armed Predators to Turkey to fight Kurdish insurgents. Granted, Turkey has been fighting a Kurdish insurgency for almost 30 years, and the United States already provides real time intelligence to support Turkish forces.
In the past, the Pentagon has declined to send Super Cobra helicopters and additional Predators to Turkey because they were needed in Afghanistan. Defense officials have not explained to Congress why the Super Cobras and Predators are no longer needed to support our troops who are putting their lives on the line to secure Afghanistan and, with it, American national interests.
Read it all. While you’re at it, click here to watch what another notorious Turkish Islamist is up to on American soil.
November 11th, 2011, 9:30 pm
ann said:
The Gülen Movement: A New Islamic World Order? – June 04, 2011
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2011/May/The-Gulen-Movement-The-New-Islamic-World-Order/
Gülen a wolf in sheep’s clothing and a modern day Ayatollah Khomeini. CBN News recently took a closer look at the the life of the reclusive imam who directs a global Islamic movement from the Pennsylvania mountains.
November 11th, 2011, 9:34 pm
ann said:
Newspaper: Israel’s spy drone crashes in Turkey – 11 November 2011
Israel’s drone ‘Heron’ crashed in the Mediterranean Sea area near the Karatas district in the Adana city, Turkey, the Sabah newspaper reported.
According to reports, local fishermen revealed the crashed drone and then it was sent to Ankara to the appropriate authorities for a specific analysis.
District Governor Mustafa Kilic refused to comment on this fact, saying that he lacks clear information about it.
November 11th, 2011, 9:42 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo to: NORMAN
RE: “…I just do not know how long it is going to take the opposition to understand that half the loaf is better than no loaf…”
Half a loaf doesn’t work. It’s been tried in Zimbabwe. The problem is, people like Besho will NEVER share. You could pass a thousand laws about sharing power and it wouldn’t matter. Pigs always remain pigs.
If you want reform, you have to kill Besho or exile him.
November 11th, 2011, 9:47 pm
ann said:
Our paper tiger begging for foreign aid – Friday, November 11, 2011
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey–appeals-for-foreign-aid-2011-11-11
Turkey has renewed its appeal for foreign aid following the minor earthquake that killed at least 22 people in Van days after the southeastern city was hit by a quake measuring 7.2 on the Richter scale, the Anatolia news agency reported Friday.
The toppling of nearly two dozen buildings in Van as a result of the 5.6-magnitude quake increased fear among locals that their houses could also be toppled, which kept them outside in harsh winter conditions. With growing demand for shelter from the government, the Foreign Ministry decided to renew its appeal for more tents and houses from countries that wish to help.
Turkey’s appeal was made upon the instruction of Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu to the countries that expressed their intention to assist Turkey.
Turkey’s appeal also reached Israel, which sent prefabricated houses to Turkey right after the first earthquake. Israel will likely send the second round of its assistance by sea, the Anatolia news agency reported.
Turkey had refused foreign assistance in the immediate aftermath of the Oct. 23 earthquake but later announced its willingness to accept aid. Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Ar?nç explained the reason for refusing foreign assistance was that Turkey could handle the results of the earthquake and did not want to create chaos in the earthquake zone.
November 11th, 2011, 9:50 pm
zoo said:
Syria sends 40 tons of humanitarian aid to Turkey’s quake-hit Van
04 November 2011, Friday / TODAY’S ZAMAN, ?STANBUL
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-261870–syria-sends-40-tons-of-humanitarian-aid-to-turkeys-quake-hit-van.html
Syria has sent 40 tons of humanitarian aid to Turkey’s Van province, which was struck by a powerful earthquake on Oct. 23, despite worsening relations between the two countries due to Turkey’s opposition to an ongoing government crackdown in the neighboring country.
The Anatolia news agency reported on Friday, quoting Syria’s state-run news agency SANA, that the Syrian minister responsible for the Syrian Red Crescent Society, Joseph Sweid, said a plane loaded with 40 tons of humanitarian aid was sent to Van on the orders of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The quake in Van left more than 600 people dead and in excess of 4,000 injured. The quake victims are still staying in tents and mobile homes set up in the province.
The aid that was delivered to Turkey in coordination with the Turkish Red Crescent Society reportedly includes 500 tents. Chairman of the Syrian Red Crescent Society Abdul Rahman Attar also said the materials dispatched are just initial aid and intended to show solidarity with the quake victims.
Turkey, once a close ally of the Syrian president, has gradually toughened its criticism of the Syrian regime for its brutal crackdown on anti-regime protests. Last month Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an slammed Assad, suggesting that Syria would be the next country on the Arab Spring list and that Assad would eventually be ousted by his own people.
November 11th, 2011, 10:06 pm
ann said:
Iraq pullout blinds U.S. intel operations – Nov. 9, 2011
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2011/11/09/Iraq-pullout-blinds-US-intel-operations/UPI-90721320860479/?spt=hs&or=tn
BAGHDAD, Nov. 9 (UPI) — The U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq is cutting off vital intelligence bases and listening posts that have played a key role in clandestine operations that have scored major successes in the global counter-terrorism campaign.
The Central Intelligence Agency, which until recently operated outside the military establishment, is expected to stay on in various guises within the 17,000 U.S. personnel who will remain under State Department jurisdiction.
The CIA has become increasingly militarized since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, and most of its establishment — including a heavily enlarged paramilitary division — is engaged in the counter-terrorism battle to one degree or another.
And with Gen. David Petraeus, the former military commander in Iraq and Afghanistan who wrote the army’s counter-insurgency manual, now the director of the CIA, the agency can be expected to maintain some covert operations.
Even so, the loss of clandestine facilities means “there will be a considerable lapse in and degradation of the U.S. intelligence-gathering and situational awareness capabilities in Iraq,” observed U.S.-based global intelligence consultancy Stratfor.
One of the major drawbacks to the military withdrawal is that Iraq’s intelligence and security services, heavily infiltrated by Shiite groups with strong links to Iran, are not likely to be capable of waging an effective and non-sectarian counter-terrorism campaign.
U.S. military intelligence and Special Forces ran operations against Iran and its proxies in Iraq, and even into Syria, Iraq’s northern neighbor and Tehran’s key ally, intelligence sources say.
With tension escalating between the Islamic Republic and the United States, not to mention Israel, the closures could impede such operations.
Iran’s influence in Iraq is expected to swell as U.S. power departs, compounding the loss of these intelligence bases around the country.
Iran has an extensive and deeply entrenched clandestine network across the entire Gulf region, and with the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq the way will be more open to expand that network across Iraq, into Syria and Lebanon, right up to Israel’s doorstep.
Without the intelligence bases in Iraq, American efforts to prevent Iran filling the power vacuum in Iraq will be seriously weakened.
“The problem is Iran’s military power in Iraq is primarily covert and unconventional, including both proxies and militias composed of Iraqis and clandestine operatives that can effectively move into and around Iraq with considerable freedom,” Stratfor noted.
One possibility to limit the damage is building a wider counter-terrorism apparatus in Turkey, Iraq’s northern neighbor, a growing power in the region and a longtime NATO ally.
But that could come with a hefty political price tag.
Turkey has been pressing U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration since June to provide it with MQ-1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicles to monitor separatist rebels of the Kurdistan Workers Party, known as the PKK, it is fighting in southern Anatolia and their havens in Iraq’s Kurdish enclave.
Turkey’s need for UAVs has heightened amid reports Heron surveillance craft acquired from Israel before the two allies broke up in 2010 are currently undergoing maintenance in Israel.
To counter this, the Americans plan to redeploy some Predators, which they used as missile-armed killer-hunters in Iraq, to the big U.S. air base at Incirlik in southern Turkey for anti-PKK operations.
The Turks have been heavily dependent on U.S. intelligence on PKK movements.
But using U.S. drones based in Turkey could drag the Americans into yet another seemingly intractable Middle Eastern conflict just as they’re extricating themselves from a disastrous nine-year occupation in Iraq.
Classified diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks reveal Turkey has persistently pressed Washington to step up its involvement against the PKK before the U.S. pullout wraps up Dec. 31.
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Sept. 24 the Americans have agreed “in principle” to station the Predators in Turkey as the 27-year-old war against the PKK escalates.
There have been some strains between Washington and Ankara in recent years, but several weeks ago the Turks agreed to station U.S. advanced radar units in their country to monitor ballistic missile launches in Iran.
U.S. cooperation with Erdogan on intelligence and security issues was given impetus after the joint Turkish-U.S. Kurdistan intelligence center in Erbil, capital of the semiautonomous Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq, closed in October.
Soon after, PKK guerrillas mounted near-simultaneous attacks on eight military targets in southeastern Turkey, killing 26 Turkish soldiers Oct. 19.
November 11th, 2011, 10:18 pm
Ghufran said:
Yes,majed,zainab story is not finished yet,it is possible that she was used to discredit the opposition,but the truth is that there are so much misinformation and a great deal of lying from all sides in Syria.I can not wait for this nightmare to end.
November 11th, 2011, 10:20 pm
Norman said:
30. majedkhaldounsaid:
Norman said
half the loaf is better than no loaf
Norman is removing half the tumor is better than removing all the tumor?or better than not removing the tumor?
Majed,
As you well know that when a patient has Glioblastoma( Brain Cancer ) for the non doctors here, the Neurosurgeon does not remove all the tumor, but does remove as much as he can without killing the patient by removing normal Brain, sometime he might even do surgery at all if the surgery can cause the death of the patient, what the opposition is doing in Syria is killing the patient for the sake of removing all the cancer, can you see the similarity here, i think everybody should think about that , Syria is dieing for trying to be idealistic with the results.
De bulking here is the standard as it is in Syria then radiation and chemotherapy afterward.
We also do that for Ovarian cancer also then do chemotherapy .
So Majed, go to the golden rule of medicine,
(( First do no harm))
November 11th, 2011, 10:41 pm
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November 11th, 2011, 10:50 pm
Hans said:
I have been reading other sites on Syria and some of the people who comment here and on other sites as well, describing people here with much insults, uncivilized language and in a slang language white trash quality…
it is same language they use here. it is unfortunate that educated people never achieve civility or democracy, you can educate a person but you can’t change the “Anima” it is not learned in school but but acquired through continuous struggle with self.
It is the problem of the some of the opposition they want their own opinion to rule ( that’s why attacked each other in Cairo) and heck with the rest which make them no different then the current regime, and if you don’t agree with their opinion or their way of living then you are outlawed and should not exist or should not be around at least.
It is amazing that this complex psychological futile fight is still exist in the 21st century, many people in the world accept the others existence, but not the Muslims.
Democracy is when you are willing to defend other right to speech in spite of not agreeing with your opinion, unless it turns into destruction which I agree with Norman that the opposition is killing Syria to achieve their way of living and have their way of life is the rule for others.
Being a doctor or anything else doesn’t make person civilized, in fact many of the radicalized closed minded people are educated… that applies to many of the Doctors, professors,engineers, Muslim brotherhood in the west. If education doesn’t trigger questioning life and religion then it is a lost opportunity, wisdom is never accepting the conventional thing.
You may think that being educated make them open minded to other ways of life, people would like to live.
Either they run away by taking their family back to the backward countries they came from, or they try to destroy and attack the new country to moved to. Muslims are the only religion couldn’t adopt to the new life in the west, in opposite to other religions like Indians, Chinese etc…
I think the west is allowing the Radical to take over the ME, so the population will reject them after they have a taste of them, but the west is naive in this theory because the common people in the ME believe naively in the destiny and “god will” in anything they are given and never challenge the status quo based on religion only that is the status of Hamas in the Gaza strip people are dying meanwhile the leaders are pocking the foreign aid they receive.
November 12th, 2011, 12:58 am
jna said:
Making sense of Syria
by Helena Cobban
“The alternatives to finding a negotiated outcome to the Syrian conflict are now all far, far worse…. As I’ve been saying like a broken record for six months now, in Syria both the regime and the opposition are resilient and won’t be defeated easily. Trying to find a negotiated and democratic way out of this impasse still seems like the best– indeed, the only– way forward. And this negotiation should only be over the form of governance inside Syria– that is, a negotiation for how a transition to democracy will be implemented– and not a negotiation over outcomes, i.e., that “Asad must go”, or whatever. It must be a negotiation that keeps a place at the table for the representatives of all significant forces in society on the basis of preserving the patriotic unity of the country and its people that they all so desperately need, despite– or rather, precisely because of– the depth of the wounds and resentments they bear from the recent and the more distant past. And they need it, too, because of the continuing state of war with Israel and the presence of very threatening Israeli forces looming on Jebel al-Shaikh right over the approaches to Damascus.”
“Look, you think it was easy for South Africans to overcome their resentments in 1992-94 and sit down at the table together? But who among the democrats of western countries is not glad today that they did so? Almost nobody. So why should we not support a negotiated transition to democracy in the case of Syria, also? (The Crisis Group report was quite right, by the way, to point out that Washington’s repeated calls for regime change in Syria have been extremely unhelpful…)”
Read it all…
http://justworldnews.org/archives/004233.html
The comments at the end are very interesting also.
November 12th, 2011, 2:15 am
Revlon said:
Another story of regime fabrication has been exposed by Revolution activists.
Photos of rockets, claimed to have been found in FSA hideouts were actually copied and pasted from Hizballah and Palestenian websites.
The following link is to a video of a demonstration comparing the aired Photos with originals from the alluded to websites.
Regime’s media and suppoters word is as good as Thug One’s; a pathological lie!
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November 12th, 2011, 3:50 am
Revlon said:
Announcement by a group of defectors,
Jabal AlZawiyeh, Idlib
Friday of Freezing of Regime membership in AL.
10/11/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikMEDJ8yTi4&feature=player_embedded
I, Policeman Mohammad AlKhidr hereby announce the formation of the unit of Martyr Sleiman Ibrahim.
We are joining AlHarmoush Phalange in their defence of civilians
Long live proud Syria.
November 12th, 2011, 4:03 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Revlon
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November 12th, 2011, 4:06 am
SYR.EXPAT said:
28. NORMAN
“I just do not know how long it is going to take the opposition to understand that half the loaf is better than no loaf, and i do not know how long it is going to take the government to understand that moving full speed ahead on reform and election with time table is what we need,”
What half loaf are you talking about? You must be out of your mind. The only thing the Assad regime offered were lies and massacres.
Those protesting in Syria want liberty from this barbaric regime and they are willing to pay the price. The reason why you’re in this country is because someone once said “Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!” Maybe you should go back home and offer your great advice to the Assad mafia. I am sure they’ll be all ears.
November 12th, 2011, 4:07 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Just a thought while Revlon is coming up with more lies:
If the next president is Alawi,he will be hated by Sunnis
If he is Sunni,he will be hated by Alawis
If he is Kurd ,he will be hated by Arabs
If he is Durzi,he will be hated by Sunnis
If he is Christian ,he will be hated by All
Conclusion:SYRIA WILL BE DEVIDED
November 12th, 2011, 4:12 am
Mina said:
Guess what? It’s not only the Syrian mukhabaraat who are famously low-tech. In the US too some high-level top-brass don’t know how to use Google.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MK11Ak02.html
‘Soviet nuclear scientist’ a rough diamond
By Gareth Porter
WASHINGTON – The report of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) published by a Washington think-tank on Tuesday repeated the sensational claim previously reported by news media all over the world that a former Soviet nuclear weapons scientist had helped Iran construct a detonation system that could be used for a nuclear weapon.
But it turns out that the foreign expert, who is not named in the IAEA report but was identified in news reports as Vyacheslav Danilenko, is not a nuclear weapons scientist but one of the top specialists in the world in the production of nanodiamonds by explosives.
In fact, Danilenko, a Ukrainian, has worked solely on nanodiamonds from the beginning of his research career and is
considered one of the pioneers in the development of nanodiamond technology, as published scientific papers confirm.
It now appears that the IAEA and David Albright, the director of the International Institute for Science and Security in Washington, who was the source of the news reports about Danilenko, never bothered to check the accuracy of the original claim by an unnamed “Member State” on which the IAEA based its assertion about his nuclear weapons background.
Albright gave a “private briefing” for “intelligence professionals” last week, in which he named Danilenko as the foreign expert who had been contracted by Iran’s Physics Research Center in the mid-1990s and identified him as a “former Soviet nuclear scientist”, according to a story by Joby Warrick of the Washington Post on November 5.
The Danilenko story then went worldwide.
The IAEA report says the agency has “strong indications” that Iran’s development of a “high explosions initiation system”, which it has described as an “implosion system” for a nuclear weapon, was “assisted by the work of a foreign expert who was not only knowledgeable on these technologies, but who, a Member State has informed the Agency, worked for much of his career in the nuclear weapons program of the country of his origin.”
The report offers no other evidence of Danilenko’s involvement in the development of an initiation system.
The member state obviously learned that Danilenko had worked during the Soviet period at the All-Russian Scientific Research Institute of Technical Physics in Snezhinsk, Russia, which was well known for its work on development of nuclear warheads and simply assumed that he had been involved in that work.
However, further research would have revealed that Danilenko worked from the beginning of his career in a part of the Institute that specialized in the synthesis of diamonds. Danilenko wrote in an account of the early work in the field published in 2006 that he was among the scientists in the “gas dynamics group” at the Institute who were “the first to start studies on diamond synthesis in 1960”.
Danilenko’s recollections of the early period of his career are in a chapter of the book, Ultrananocrystalline Diamond: Synthesis, Properties and Applications edited by Olga A Shenderova and Dieter M Gruen, published in 2006.
Another chapter in the book covering the history of Russian patents related to nanodiamonds documents the fact that Danilenko’s center at the Institute developed key processes as early as 1963-1966 that were later used at major “detonation nanodiamond” production centers.
Danilenko left the Institute in 1989 and joined the Institute of Materials Science Problems in Ukraine, according to the authors of that chapter.
Danilenko’s major accomplishment, according to the authors, has been the development of a large-scale technology for producing ultradispersed diamonds, a particular application of nanodiamonds. The technology, which was later implemented by the ALIT company in Zhitomir, Ukraine, is based on an explosion chamber 100 square meters in volume, which Danilenko designed.
Beginning in 1993, Danilenko was a principal in a company called Nanogroup which was established initially in Ukraine but is now based in Prague. The company’s website boasts that it has “the strongest team of scientists” which had been involved in the “introduction of nanodiamonds in 1960 and the first commercial applications of nanodiamonds in 2000”.
The declared aim of the company is to supply worldwide demand for nanodiamonds.
Iran has an aggressive program to develop its nanotechnology sector, and it includes as one major focus nanodiamonds, as blogger Moon of Alabama has pointed out. That blog was the first source to call attention to Danilenko’s nanodiamond background.
Danilenko clearly explained that the purpose of his work in Iran was to help the development of a nanodiamond industry in the country.
The report states that the “foreign expert” was in Iran from 1996 to about 2002, “ostensibly to assist in the development of a facility and techniques for making ultra dispersed diamonds (UDDs) or nanodiamonds”. That wording suggests that nanodiamonds were merely a cover for his real purpose in Iran.
The report says the expert “also lectured on explosive physics and its applications”, without providing any further detail about what applications were involved.
The fact that the IAEA and Albright were made aware of Danilenko’s nanodiamond work in Iran before embracing the “former Soviet nuclear weapons specialist” story makes their failure to make any independent inquiry into his background even more revealing.
The tale of a Russian nuclear weapons scientist helping construct an “implosion system” for a nuclear weapon is the most recent iteration of a theme that the IAEA introduced in its May 2008 report, which mentioned a five-page document describing experimentation with a “complex multipoint initiation system to detonate a substantial amount of high explosives in hemispherical geometry” and to monitor the detonation.
Iran acknowledged using “exploding bridge wire” detonators such as those mentioned in that document for conventional military and civilian applications. But it denounced the document, along with the others in the “alleged studies” collection purporting to be from an Iranian nuclear weapons research program, as fakes.
Careful examination of the “alleged studies” documents has revealed inconsistencies and other anomalies that give evidence of fraud. But the IAEA, the United States and its allies in the IAEA continue to treat the documents as though there were no question about their authenticity.
The unnamed member state that informed the agency about Danilenko’s alleged experience as a Soviet nuclear weapons scientist is almost certainly Israel, which has been the source of virtually all the purported intelligence on Iranian work on nuclear weapons over the past decade.
Israel has made no secret of its determination to influence world opinion on the Iranian nuclear program by disseminating information to governments and news media, including purported Iran government documents. Israeli Foreign Ministry and intelligence officials told journalists Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins about the special unit of Mossad dedicated to that task at the very time the fraudulent documents were being produced.
In an interview in September 2008, Albright said Olli Heinonen, then deputy director for safeguards at the IAEA, had told him that a document from a member state had convinced him that the “alleged studies” documents were genuine. Albright said the state was “probably Israel”.
The Jerusalem Post’s Yaakov Katz reported on Wednesday that Israeli intelligence agencies had “provided critical information used in the report”, the purpose of which was to “push through a new regime of sanctions against Tehran”.
Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specializing in US national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam, was published in 2006.
November 12th, 2011, 4:20 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Norman
Debulking does not save life, it may prolong life.the end is death.
AL may suspend Syria membership in AL
November 12th, 2011, 5:02 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Freezing Syria memebership is very serious matter,it will mean closing all relations with Syria by several members of AL, relations that include political,trade and financial relations, Syria is increasingly isolating itself,by lying,and continue the brutal crackdown,Bashar does not learn from Gaddafi mistakes,he is far from reality now.
Freezing will increase internationalization of the crisis,increase a lot the possibikity of regional military intereference, regional means forces in the region,this includes unfortunately American forces in Iraq,possibly, look for Turkish action.
November 12th, 2011, 5:26 am
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Rummors about security services´and political high ranks families leaving through Aleppo Airport in large amounts.
November 12th, 2011, 5:44 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Sandro
Mamlook Family left to Russia,I know of some came to USA with million dollar.
Where would Asma go to?
November 12th, 2011, 6:21 am
dmaak112 said:
The Arab League plan was a ruse. Among its articles, it called for the withdrawal of all forces, negotiations, presence of Arab representatives and world media. Wonderful!? Who could object expect “evil incarnate?”
While the government forces withdraw no counter requirement like ending marches and issuing harrowing videos were required of the rebels. It has been a central tenet in this rebellion to seek out confrontation so as to garner international support. The withdrawal of government forces without a counter halt to acts of face-offs by the dissidents would incite more violence. Sectarian killings like that of an attack upon a bus of Alawites would escalate. In addition, it would underwrite the rebels efforts to disrupt the economic and social fields to bring about the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad. For all the reporting on the turmoil, who and how many Syrians line up for or against (or just waiting to see who wins) Assad remains uncertain. Even if the rebels represent 25% of the population, it is not a majority and they cannot claim to speak for the country.
How can one object to talks? If any real hope lies with maintaining a united political entity–Syria–and avoiding ethnic and sectarian bloodshed, then discussions hold the best chance. Bashar al-Assad certainly would represent his government. Who is going to represent the opposition? Crucial problems of who the opposition are and what they represent makes such communications almost impossible. If the dissidents represent the will of the people (which has not been demonstrated), who is the spokesperson? What is poorly understood in the US is that the opponents of forty years of Assads rule are composed of wide variety of groups–religious, regional, tribal, ethnic, and certainly foreign. The plethora of groups purporting to represent the opposition lie in Istanbul, Paris, Damascus, etc. Names of coordinators, writers, politicians, etc. whirl by with no one able to lay claim to speak for these elements. Often, one person contradicts another as to their right to speak for Assad’s opponents. Worse, these groups do not advocate a coherent political-economic-social manifesto as a counterbalance to the present system. Bashar has no viable leader to negotiate with to reach any accommodation other then signing a death sentence for himself, family, and supporters.
The presence of Arab representatives is a farce. Individuals from former Iraq? A clear picture of national disintegration. Libya? The carnage has not stopped. Egypt? Syria already has its military in charge. Bahrain? Saudi Arabia? Yemen? I thought the idea was promoting Democracy. Syria has angered its “brotherly neighbors” in the past and now in the present. When Hafez rescued the Maronites from Sunni-Lebanese leftist-Palestinians in 1976, it was criticized. When Syria backed Iran in its war with Iraq, diplomatic isolation, economic hardship and material aid to the regime’s opponents occurred. Presently, the US sponsored war fever against Iran has Syria a target for destruction as our Arab minions line up against Damascus.
As for the allowing the press in, eight months of one sided news reporting is certainly not reassuring that it would change or improve. Major news sources such as CNN, BBC, AFP, AP, Reuters, and Al Jazeera have long made their choice of which side they were on. The litany of false and/or exaggerated stories speaks for itself. Iranians are taking part in suppressing the rebels. Hezbollah has sent its forces to assist Assad. Distressing videos of confrontation that originate outside the country. The young lesbian Syrian being oppressed (clever American male). The tortured and beheaded teenage girl. The use of unverified claims of torture in hospitals as well as grabbing babies from incubators (remember Kuwait 1990?). Given the nature of position of the governments that these news outlets represent, why would Bashar al-Assad believe that they could ever possibly broadcast differently?
The push to remove one more obstacle (however minor) to insuring a US dominated Middle East will not end with the removal of Bashar al-Assad. The Arabs have proven themselves to be easily divided and controlled. Augustus Caesar would be proud.
November 12th, 2011, 6:42 am
Mina said:
Sandro, Majed
So with such good news, why calling for more bloodshed and weapons to fill up the country?
November 12th, 2011, 6:47 am
Juergen Russ said:
I would think London is still a good hideout for all exdictators. There they could have a family reunion with their counterparts of Rifaat. I think Tehran would be the last option for them, also Saudi Arabia, one must be quite desperate to seek asylum there.
November 12th, 2011, 6:53 am
Revlon said:
Wasting more time is wasting more lives!
Reinoud Leenders’ view of “Let’s call the Syrian regime’s bluff and bring the Arab League initiative to the UN Security Council” seems to resonate with Ghalioun’s in his interview with Assafir, a couple of days ago”; Both are naive at best, and complacent with the ongoing plight of Syrian civilians at worst.
Jr’s bluff has been called several times since the beginning of the Syrian revolution.
Every time he was caught, he or his benefactors claimed that the cards were bad and asked for a new round of cards!
The first one was when he said he wanted a few weeks to introduce the reforms.
Hundreds of Syrians, including women and children paid the price with their lives “Calling Jr’s 1st bluff”
That was followed by several, successive, non-stop calls for grace periods to allow for the following initiatives to succeed: National dialogue, Turkish plan, Russians and Chinese mediation, Arab League first and second attempts, and now the genius plan of AL cum UN plan!
Hundreds more of civilians, including women and children have paid their life as a result of the regime’s intransigence and the preoccupation of the regional and international community with the fidelity of the political card game; The priority of protecting civilians and saving lives became neglected.
Here is my argument for the futility of the suggestion of an AL/UN plan.
FIRST
The AL plan ceiling is the regimes’; Reforms under the auspices of Asad.
The ceiling was guaranteed by the veto of Algeria and Sudan and the ambivalence of several other members. This ceiling is a no starter for either the revolution or for their representative, the SNC.
SECOND
The AL initiative is an agreement in principles. It is as vague as the infamous Oslo agreement (OA) between the PLO and Israel was. More than 20 years later, people are still unsure whether OA is alive, in ICU, or dead.
What is certain however is that thousands of Palestinians have died since, without realising their hopes from the agreement.
Questions to ponder:
Is the AL borne yet?
Is it in the ICU?
Is it dead?
Taking the plan to the UN would provide Jr two additional resolute supporters; China and Russia.
Their veto shall guarantee the same ceiling for any reform process.
Russia and China’s terms and conditions on the process of implementation and monitoring would by necessity favour their interests, through promoting the regime’s!
More questions to ponder:
Will the AL/UN plan be borne?
How many times and for how long each time is it going to the ICU?
Is it going to die? And when?
Personally! I do not give a damn!
The UN need to learn their lessons from the AL agreement, draw their own conclusions and refocus their efforts and diplomacy on extending their power of protection to the Syrian public, vested in their Charter of human rights and related agreements.
In the meanwhile, The SNC need to seek support for empowering the FSA and the implementation of other ground measures that could stop the regime’s killing machine.
November 12th, 2011, 7:00 am
Revlon said:
More bad news for the regime and good news for Aleppine revolutionists.
13 cadets of Aleppo’s Police Academy have defected and joined the Free Syrian Army.
Friday of Freezing of Regime membership in AL
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November 12th, 2011, 7:08 am
Revlon said:
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Homs Philosopher breaks with the regime.
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Homs Philosopher, Attayyeb Tizini to Asad: Step aside, and let your rotten regime go away.
2011/11/10
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Hasan Abdallah
http://alwatan.kuwait.tt/ArticleDetails.aspx?Id=150534
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November 12th, 2011, 7:20 am
Revlon said:
Defected Regime TV Camera man to Al Arabia:
– Purported, casual interviews with civilians in the streets are forced upon them, and their statements are dictated by regime security.
– All purportedly confiscated arms and munitions are the security forces’. They do the lay out for their display.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnDltKtr76E&feature=player_embedded
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November 12th, 2011, 7:33 am
Tara said:
Looking at Fadwa Sulyman’s picture wearing the traditional Arab headdress overwhelms me with a great sense of pride and humility. Proud of being a Syrian and humble in front of the inner beauty and strength of these great women of the Syrian revolution.
This headdress looks way more worthy than any Louboutin shoes Asma can wear.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2011/11/syria-actress-fadwa-sulaym-protest-hunger-strike.html
REPORTING FROM BEIRUT — Criticizing President Bashar Assad and denouncing the government are risky moves in Syria. Artists are not immune. Some who dared to speak out have reportedly been targeted.
An amateur Syrian poet in the troubled city of Hama, Ibrahim Qashoush, penned anti-regime lyrics that became popular among protesters, who chanted one of his compositions: “Come on, Bashar, time to leave.”
In July, opposition activists say, his body was found, his throat slit, in a river in his hometown. The widely reported account of his death could not be independently confirmed.
In August, masked gunmen in the Syrian capital, Damascus, reportedly attacked renowned cartoonist Ali Farzat after the appearance of a series of his caricatures mocking Assad. The assailants broke his hand and left him bleeding on a road in the capital, according to published accounts.
Such reports, however, have not deterred Fadwa Sulayman, a Syrian actress who has taken a very public stance against the regime and become a heroine in opposition circles. Assad supporters are said to be furious.
She has emerged as a rebellious woman championing a movement mostly featuring men. Earlier this week, Sulayman appeared alongside protesters in the besieged city of Homs during a live interview with Al Jazeera, the pan-Arab television news channel.
She denounced what she called government efforts to sow sectarian hatred. The regime says Sunni Muslim extremists are behind the violence. Protesters blame security service thugs.
“Regardless of how the regime plays the [sectarian] card … we are proving this is not true,” she told Al Jazeera. “The awareness of the Syrian street and the Syrian person is much deeper.” As the interview continued, the host reminded Sulayman that she was live on air.
“Are you not afraid for your life?” the interviewer asked.
“There is no one who does not fear for their life,” Sulayman said. “But we reached a stage, a moment you cannot fear for your life, when everybody’s life is in danger.… Any human watching what we are seeing in the country cannot remain silent.”
The following day, Al Jazeera broadcast video purportedly showing Sulayman, wearing a traditional Arab headdress, mounting a makeshift podium during a Homs protest, raising her arm in the air defiantly and leading anti-sectarian chants. “One! One!” she shouts into the microphone, as the crowd replies: “The Syrian people are one! One! One!”
Sulayman’s stance is also noteworthy because she is said to be a member of the minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam. Assad is the most prominent member of the sect, which plays a central role in the Syrian security services. The protest movement is rooted in Syria’s majority Sunni community.
Another video, shown below, has surfaced in which Sulayman apparently announces that she is going on a hunger strike until the siege on Homs is lifted.
“I declare that I will continue to participate in the protests and keep the hunger strike … to break the siege on the besieged areas of Homs, and to prove to all our partners in the homeland the lies of this government,” Sulayman declares in the clip.
November 12th, 2011, 7:39 am
zoo said:
Arab League suspends Syria and calls for sanctions
Agence France-Presse
Nov 12, 2011
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/arab-league-suspends-syria-and-calls-for-sanctions
CAIRO // Arab foreign ministers were deeply divided on suspending Syria’s Arab League membership in an emergency meeting today amid mounting pressure for a firm stance towards Damascus after a week of deadly violence in Homs.
The ministers, gathered in the Arab League’s Cairo headquarters, called a recess early into the meeting to allow a narrowed ministerial committee to work out a final position, a source who was inside the meeting said.
He said there was a strong push by some states to suspend Syria, while others wanted to give President Bashar al-Assad’s regime more time.
Khaled al-Habbas, an assistant to Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi, told reporters before the meeting that the situation in Syria was “complex” and “Arab countries are trying to find a solution that reconciles different viewpoints.”
Assad’s regime agreed on November 2 to an Arab roadmap which called for the release of detainees, the withdrawal of the army from urban areas and free movement for observers and the media, as well as negotiations with the opposition.
Yusef Ahmed, Syria’s Arab League representative, told the ministers that Damascus was committed to implementing the agreement and had withdrawn heavy weapons from the streets of violence-hit cities, the source said.
But human rights groups say all the evidence is that the regime has actually intensified its crackdown on dissent, especially in Homs, killing at least 125 people in the flashpoint central city since signing onto the League’s deal.
“Homs is a microcosm of the Syrian government’s brutality,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director of Human Rights Watch, which accused the regime of crimes against humanity based on its systematic abuses against civilians.
“The Arab League needs to tell President Assad that violating their agreement has consequences, and that it now supports Security Council action to end the carnage,” she said.
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November 12th, 2011, 8:49 am
zoo said:
Officials who served Syrian leader’s father urging the son to negotiate
Phil Sands
Nov 12, 2011
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/officials-who-served-syrian-leaders-father-urging-the-son-to-negotiate?pageCount=0
DAMASCUS// The Arab League is set to convene in an emergency session in Cairo today to discuss Syria, as international pressure grows on President Bashar Al Assad to find a political solution to an eight-month anti-regime uprising that has left more than 3,500 people dead.
The meeting takes place against a background of growing impatience and frustration not only from other Arab capitals and protesters in Syria but from another more surprising source: former Syrian officials who served under the late president, Hafez Al Assad, Bashar’s father.
A group of former high-ranking Baath party members and regime officials, led by Mohammad Suleman, a long serving minister under Hafez Al Assad, has proposed that the Syrian leader hold talks with anti-regime activists as part of a wider plan to transition to democracy. That is also part of the peace plan Mr Al Assad agreed with the Arab League this month.
Meanwhile, Syrian security forces fired on anti-government protests yesterday and conducted sweeping raids during violence that killed at least 13 people, activists said. Mass protests after Friday prayers, followed by crackdowns by security forces, have become a weekly cycle throughout the uprising. But in recent weeks, the violence has spiked dramatically amid increasing signs that some protesters are taking up arms to protect themselves.
To date, there have been no direct political talks between the authorities and those calling for their overthrow. A regime-sponsored “comprehensive national dialogue” has not included opposition political figures or representatives of the protest movement.
During two separate meetings, the first a one-on-one talk with Mr Al Assad on September 20 lasting more than an hour, Mr Suleman said he had outlined a detailed plan that would quickly result in power sharing and a coalition government involving members of the opposition, including protesters.
“The plan was comprehensive. It would result in the creation of a modern, civil, democratic state, with rule of law, an elected president with a limit on how many terms they can hold office, and a division of power between the judiciary, the executive and parliament,” he said last month.
Four days after that initial meeting, Mr Suleman and a delegation of 31 other members of the National Democratic Initiative (NDI), the group of former ministers and Baathist officials he heads, made a more detailed three-and-a-half-hour presentation to Mr Al Assad at his behest.
Mr Suleman said the Syrian president had asked detailed questions of all of the NDI members and his reaction to their proposal had been “positive”. It also calls for an end to heavy security measures against peaceful protests, for thousands of political prisoners to be freed and for security officers and opposition militants to be held accountable for any killings they have carried out.
“Calling a national congress with the opposition, sitting down for talks with them will cut the way for foreign military intervention in Syria which is something we all want to avoid,” Mr Suleman said. “And by clearly marking out a road map to achieving a civil democratic state and circulation of power, we can get out of this crisis.”
He warned that delaying sweeping reforms would only deepen the problems Syria faces.
“There are peaceful protesters but we must now admit there is an armed element to the uprising,” Mr Suleman said. “We must also realise that the longer political reforms are delayed, the bigger the armed uprising will become because it has a pretext.”
The Arab League made a broadly similar proposal, which was accepted by Syria on November 2. It called for a withdrawal of military forces from residential neighbourhoods, freedom for political prisoners and for talks between the regime and the opposition in Cairo under Arab League mediation.
That plan has been thrown into disarray, however, with continued deadly operations by Syrian security forces and little sign that either side is prepared to sit down and talk.
During preliminary talks at the Arab League talks yesterday, Syria’s ambassador to the organisation insisted that Damascus was not only committed to the plan but had “already put most” of its articles into effect. He proposed an Arab League delegation visit Syria to see for itself. Protesters and human rights activists insist those promises are hollow, citing the deaths in Homs yesterday. Two members of the security services were also killed in the city, state-run media said. It made no mention of any civilian casualties, except for two deaths in Idleb province it blamed on a “terrorist group” .
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Speaking of the officials who worked with Hafez Al Assad, an analyst, speaking on condition of anonymity, said, “These are people Mr Al Assad can trust, people who do not have an agenda against him so it is important for him to be hearing this from them.”
Mr Suleman’s proposal is certain to be hamstrung by the same apparently intractable problems that have blocked any solutions to the crisis.
Opposition groups have said all political prisoners must be freed, peaceful protests allowed and army units returned to their bases as a minimum precondition for talks. Many protesters have gone further, calling for Mr Assad’s overthrow and execution.
Syrian officials, who insist they are fighting a foreign-backed Islamic insurgency, say that cannot happen and that security operations will continue in tandem with incremental political reforms. They have not proposed Mr Al Assad face an open election for the presidency.
Part of the NDI proposal includes a maximum of two terms of office for any future president, with each term strictly limited in duration. Mr Al Assad is in his second seven-year term as president but under the existing constitution there is no requirement for him to stand down or face a competitive election when that period expires. His father ruled the country for three decades until his death in 2000.
The NDI plan would leave the path open for Mr Al Assad to run for a third term because it would be his first under the new democratic legal code.
“Assad and his supporters are still confident that he has the support of the majority in Syria so for that reason they might be prepared to have an election,” said one adviser to the NDI group, on condition of anonymity.
The NDI also believes that, with the majority of Syrians not openly supporting street protests and the momentum of demonstrations curtailed, opposition groups would agree to contest a presidential election, if real reforms had been enacted and guarantees could be given about its integrity.
With neither side able to comprehensively defeat their opponents, the only alternatives to a rapid transition to democracy under Mr Al Assad’s stewardship are the “nightmare” scenarios of civil war or foreign military intervention, Mr Suleman warned.
November 12th, 2011, 8:55 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Would the regime learn……NO
It is a big slap in the face of Syrian regime and its supporters.Assad thought he can continue to lie,continue to take time,the regime days are very few,
November 12th, 2011, 9:00 am
Revlon said:
Immediately upon annoncing the AL resolution, Syrian regime security and Shabbeeha went on a rampage of random shooting in civilian neighbourhoods in Homs city.
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11/11/2011
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November 12th, 2011, 9:00 am
zoo said:
Russian media:
http://rt.com/news/arab-league-suspends-syria-179/print/
The Arab League has voted to suspend Syria from all meetings until Damascus ends its bloody crackdown against anti-government protesters.
Eighteen countries supported the move, while Lebanon, Yemen and Syria voted against it and Iraq abstained. The suspension will come into effect on November 16, unless it ends bloodshed, according to Qatari FM.
On Saturday, hundreds of people gathered in front of the Arab League headquarters in Cairo to demand that it freeze Syrian membership of the League in order to defend civilians in the country.
The Syrian opposition has been calling for the League to take action against the Assad regime for some time. The move deals a powerful symbolic blow to a nation that prides itself on being a powerhouse of Arab nationalism.
November 12th, 2011, 9:07 am
majedkhaldoun said:
It is interesting to see the syrian delegate to AL Yousef Al Ahmad how mad he was and listen to him shouting ,angrily and saying bad words exactly similar to what his supporters say here on SC,Alex you need to ban Yousef Al Ahmad.
November 12th, 2011, 9:13 am
bronco said:
Majedalkhaldoon
This slap may have exactly the opposite effect.
We have to admit that no external force can “protect” the demonstrators on short notice, therefore since the regime is already condemned for ‘crime against humanity”, and is submitted to crippling sanctions, it has nothing to loose anymore, so it will proceed as it chooses. It has the upper hand, while the opposition (the SNC) has nothing to propose than more demonstrations, calls for Bashar to step down and threats of international sanctions.
The SNC has been invited in Russia who is trying to convince them to accept the dialog. They are the ones who must make concessions to accept to start the dialog. If they continues on this line, the situation can drag for months and the only losers will be the syrian people.
The AL is trapped because either they reach a peaceful solution by forcing the opposition to agree to the dialog with Bashar’s governemnt and to renounce asking for his stepping down or they decide reluctantly to ask the UN security council to take over the issue, which I doubt. Despite the freezing ‘in 4 days’ of Syria, there has been a clear statement by the AL that it is an ‘arab’ initiative and it so not “dead” as France has declared it.
If and when the UNSC meets and agrees (provided China and Russia don’t put a veto again) weeks and weeks can pass and on the ground the situation will become more violent on both sides.
In my view, the freezing is just a symbolic move to appease the international community until the foreign-lead opposition makes necessary concessions to agree on the dialog and the military situation on the ground becomes clearer.
November 12th, 2011, 9:37 am
Norman said:
Is there a difference between suspending Syria’s participation in the meetings of the Arab league and suspending the membership of Syria in the Arab league, I am just asking.
November 12th, 2011, 9:51 am
zoo said:
“For 50 years, America dealt with two kinds of Arab leaders: the adversarials (Syria, Libya and Iraq) and the acquiescents (Egypt, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan and a few key Persian Gulf states). ”
Arab Spring, American winter
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-miller-arabs-america-20111113,0,7814930.story
By Aaron David Miller November 13, 2011
All Gaul was divided into three parts, Julius Caesar wrote in his “De Bello Gallico.” For America, the Arab world had been divided into two: adversarial and acquiescent Arab authoritarians.
Until now.
The last eight months have witnessed profound changes. The willing and unwilling Arab autocrats have gone or are going the way of the dodo.
What remains — Arab states without strong and authoritative leaders and caught up in lengthy, messy transitions, monarchies trying to co-opt and preempt transformational change (Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Jordan); and nonstate actors still at war with themselves (Hezbollah and the Palestinians) — guarantees a turbulent and complex environment for the United States. Few offer a hook on which to hang a set of American policies now broadly unpopular throughout the region.
The long arc of the Arab Spring may yet bring more transparency, accountability, gender equality and, yes, even some semblance of real democracy. But the short term all but guarantees a much less hospitable and forbidding place for America, whose credibility has shrunk.
For 50 years, America dealt with two kinds of Arab leaders: the adversarials (Syria, Libya and Iraq) and the acquiescents (Egypt, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan and a few key Persian Gulf states). At times, each of the adversarials also played the role of partners for brief periods: Iraq against Iran; Syria on the peace process; Libya on giving up WMD in exchange for an end to its pariah status. But leopards really do not change their spots. The violent ends of Saddam Hussein, Moammar Kadafi and perhaps at some point even the younger Bashar Assad make the case.
For the most part, these Arab authoritarians guaranteed a relatively stable and predictable region in which U.S. interests thrived: successful containment of the former Soviet Union, access to oil at fair prices, security for Israel, close relations with the acquiescents and even progress on Arab-Israeli peacemaking. This left America with a role it understood and could play rather well.
It wasn’t pretty, of course. There was that pesky Arab-Israeli conflict that drove a handful of wars, oil shocks, an Iranian revolution and Islamic extremism, and a few self-inflicted disasters such as Operation Iraqi Freedom. But by and large, the U.S. got by, its prestige high with acquiescent autocrats and low with their publics.
And why not? America had cut the devil’s bargain: In exchange for giving the friendly autocrats a pass on governance and human rights (and at times reaching out to the adversarials), it was able to enlist their cooperation on a range of issues. But Washington may now find itself in the strange position of getting neither democracy nor stability. America’s stock is lower than it’s ever been, its partners are gone, along with the familiar bad guys, and it’s not at all clear who or what will take the place of those partners. We confront not just an Arab Spring but an array of uncertainties complex enough to run many years to come.
Tunisia, where it all began, appropriately offers the best chance for a working democracy, in part because it’s small and largely irrelevant. In Egypt and Libya, where hopes have been high, you have to wonder. The former is less free, prosperous and secure than it was under Hosni Mubarak and is likely heading for a future like Turkey — but two decades ago. Libya, a country the size of Alaska with only 6 million people and a lot of oil money, should do well. But it isn’t Western Europe. Rival militias, Islamist radicals, outside meddling and just the lack of traditions and experience in self-governance guarantee that Libya will be a long slog.
Elsewhere, matters look a lot worse. In Syria, nobody has a clue: The scenarios run from more of the same to civil war to an Alawite coup against the Assads — even the possibility (now don’t shoot me) of some kind of external military intervention should the bloodletting rise exponentially. We can be pretty confident that whatever transpires, it will be long, complex and bloody. Yemen, which most people (including myself) don’t really understand, is equally opaque. But dollars to doughnuts that won’t be a polity of which Thomas Jefferson would have been proud.
Strange as it seems, the monarchies may well have the best shot at avoiding these kind of painful transitions. Where in varying degrees money, legitimacy from Islam and some enlightened leadership combine (Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Jordan, Oman), reckonings have been averted. For how long is unclear. At some point, if they’re not smart on reform — and even if they are — the bell may toll for the kings too.
I know that people say, be patient, the arc of the Arab Spring is long and potentially a happy one. And for the Arabs, that may well be true. They are seizing control of their destiny and they will be allowed — as they should be, finally — to make their own beds.
But for America, it may not be such a happy experience. Our policies, opposed from one end of this region to the other, are unlikely to change. Our capacity to succeed at war and peacemaking — the real measure of respect and admiration (Libya notwithstanding ) — has diminished along with our street cred. We can’t solve the Palestinian issue, can’t stop Iran from getting the bomb, can’t find a way to achieve victories in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we are still caught up in the devil’s bargain with Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.
We resemble more a modern-day Gulliver tied up by tiny tribes and by our own illusions than a smart, tough and fair superpower.
If we could disengage and spend more time and resources on our own broken house, we should; but alas, we can’t. And therein lies the conundrum for
November 12th, 2011, 9:53 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Bronco
You said it will take months, we will see, I doubt it very much.
You said SNC has to give concession,,No and there will not be dialogue,forget about dialogue.
You said the regime will resort to more brutality, yes but everything has a price.
November 12th, 2011, 9:58 am
bronco said:
#66 Norman
It is confusing. If it is a suspension of membership, it means that Syria has nothing to do anymore with the Arab League and that the AL initiative requiring Syria’s active participation is dead.
Breaking news coming on twitter gives confusing pictures:
“Arab League excludes Syrian delegations from its ac
activities until peace plan is implemented – al-Jazeera via Reuters”
lArabiya_Eng
#BreakingNews: Egypt opposes suspension of Syria’s membership in the Arab League: Egyptian sources
Just a reminder about the AL
The full list of members is as follows: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros — an island nation near Madagascar in the Indian Ocean — Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
Through institutions such as the Arab League Educational, Cultural and Scientific Organization and the Economic and Social Council of the Arab League’s Council of Arab Economic Unity, the Arab League facilitates economic, cultural, scientific and social programs designed to promote the interests of the Arab world. But on contentious political issues, their cooperation has been more strained.
November 12th, 2011, 10:13 am
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear Regime Supporters:
It is time for you to change mind, before its it is too late. It is not good for your health to be called losers.
We will forgive you for all the insults that you insulted the revolution with.
November 12th, 2011, 10:18 am
louai said:
Suddenly in the last two days the opposition don’t claim any more they are peaceful any more, they post video showing their gangs in action and they were very proud of it
i see a big correlation between this and today’s news , its obvious now KSA and Qatar trying to lead the Arab world to support an assault on us ,the opposition proved ones and for all that they are bunch of traitors and power obsessed monsters
Arab world without Syria is but a dumb joke and Syria without Arabs is better off , the opposition did not find enough support inside Syria so they turned to the outside world ,you cannot go further than the truth the people do not want your bloody revolution .
November 12th, 2011, 10:19 am
Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:
@47
Once a sectarian always a sectarian.
November 12th, 2011, 10:20 am
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November 12th, 2011, 10:32 am
Ghufran said:
Syrians now have to pay the price for a brutal and stubborn regime and an incompetent and corrupt AL. Bashar and his immediate circle of hawks may be willing to push the country to the edge thinking that regional and international powers will not push Syria off the cliff,he is wrong,the US decided to weaken Iran and pave the way for a military action through its proxy,Israel,and Syria to them is the logical first target.
I do not know what Syrians are waiting for,it is clear that a leadership change is needed and we want that leadership to be chosen by Syrians,not NATO and the goat princes.
A transitional government that is inclusive and headed by a civilian accepted by the army is the only bloodless exit because the alternative is a long and bloody civil war which seems to be an acceptable solution to many expats and some militants in Syria.
The regime is still counting on Lebanon and Iraq but these two countries are not enough to save the regime.
November 12th, 2011, 10:36 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
I’m against any military intervention. This criminal junta will eventually fall under it’s own weight.
But assessing the options for an international intervention, Russia’s veto power will, somehow, have to be bypassed. Maybe in a form of an Ad-hoc cooperation between the AL and NATO. Just as it worked in Libya, but with out going through the UNSC.
Again, I’m against this, but I’m sure that there are planners who sit right now and are looking for a legal solution to an armed intervention.
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November 12th, 2011, 10:36 am
Norman said:
Bronco,
I thought that the AL chapter says that to suspend a state membership, you have to have a full agreement except the state involved,
Do you think that Syria now will move to reinstate martial law and militery courts and curfew.
November 12th, 2011, 10:39 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Norman
The syrian delegate is no longer to attend AL meetings, it means it lost its legitimacy, this is a step means that the AL will recognize SNC and ICC as the representatve of syria,Syria is an Arabic country and future goverment will automatically will come back .to suspend membership requires all members approval.
Norman read Zoo comment, the former Baath party members are calling to quickly perform reform and election,and stand for the will of the people,open election,that should be free.
Louai
you call oppositions are traitors,this is an opinion of a frustrated defeated party.throw accusations,out of touch, angry person who does not realize what he says.
Things will take quick course from now on, what happened today should be expected.I am waiting for neighbouring country statements.
November 12th, 2011, 10:39 am
Mina said:
Apparently, the suspension should be effective only in four days, if ever.
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/513989
Who is next ? KSA ?
November 12th, 2011, 10:43 am
bronco said:
Majedalkhaldoon
“You said the regime will resort to more brutality”
Did I say that?
Thanks for distorting again what I write… It seems to be a habit with you.
November 12th, 2011, 10:44 am
Norman said:
president Assad and the Baath party are the only legitimacy in Syria , how do you know that the army taking over will not be used as a coupe and not legitimate until the SNC take over which is the goal. the goal is and was never democratic reform, the goal is a coup .
November 12th, 2011, 10:44 am
irritated said:
Majed #7
The next delegate of Syria to the AL will be Radwan Ziadeh
I can’t wait, Hurray!
November 12th, 2011, 10:47 am
louai said:
Dear Haytham Khouri
‘Dear Regime Supporters:
It is time for you to change mind, before its it is too late.’
We will forgive you for all the insults that you insulted the revolution with.
its time for you to wake up , you have no support in the ground the simple Syrian man in the street dose not buy your promised McDonald democracy ,you showed your real intention from the very beginning and everyone knows what kind of monsters you are ,that’s why you don’t have enough supporters to fill al abasyeen square? And don’t tell me its the oppression of the regime preventing the people,mubarak killed 300 people I’m 8 days and he is a history now ,you killed 1100 but you killed 110 Syrian soldiers in 8 moths using olive branches and white flags ,its true that
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and this is why your cloned revolution is not getting us any where
by doing the killing and blame it on the regime you transferred the majority passive opposition to a hard core supporters ,the sample man in the street knows the difference between the state and the regime ,no one will let you destroy the state in order to get your canned leaders to power
‘It is not good for your health to be called losers.’ isn’t it better than being called a traitor?
‘We will forgive you for all the insults that you insulted the revolution with.’
we will never forgive you for all the lives you took so far and all the destruction you are causing .
wake up !! Syria will always BE.
November 12th, 2011, 10:48 am
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Breaking News: Al Assad to get political asylum in Israel
Al Assad Clan has been offered political asylum in Israel. A new sionist settlement will be built in the Golan Heights to alocate the notorious family and its private milicias. The 4th Division will be in charge of protecting Golan Heights in the event of any syrian attack. According to sources the plan comes after secret negotiations that began 44 years ago when the leader of Assad family rented Golan Heigts to the jewish state for an unknown amount of money.
November 12th, 2011, 10:50 am
Ghufran said:
The US is leaving Iraq but keeping thousands of troops and all of its army bases in the Gulf,and supplying the gulf countries with weapons paid for by these countries but can only be used by the US and will only be used against Iran,and possibly Iraq.
The AL is practically being replaced by the GCC and anything that comes out of the AL will reflect the will of the GCC and the US. Israel is no longer the enemy,it is Iran.
November 12th, 2011, 10:54 am
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear All:
I wrote this yesterday
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http://haytham-khoury3.blogspot.com/
I got the answer today.
November 12th, 2011, 10:56 am
Halabi said:
Is anyone surprised that Bashar isn’t able to game the Arab League of kings of dictators? People will look back at the Assad dynasty centuries from now as a sort of parable:
A father schemes his way into power, vanquishes his foes and expands his realm into a neighboring state, and then passes the presidency to his son, who is forced out of Lebanon and is ultimately defeated by a populist movement that grew tired of the family’s corruption and brutality.
Bashar will go down in history as the son who wasn’t able to keep his father’s throne. Behind the stupid giggle, I know that he thinks about this legacy, but unfortunately he can’t do anything to change it. He might be able to live a life of luxury for decades in exile, but he will always know that history will view him as an inept leader who used violence to perpetuate an unjust regime.
Or he could actually win, and Syria will become more like North Korea, just like Hafez wanted. Then he can have his own history books that everyone has to memorize and we will all worship the Assads as gods. Sounds like a minhebak paradise.
November 12th, 2011, 10:57 am
Mina said:
Ghufran
I think it would make sense to let the AL explode. It is worth nothing anyway, and with only the GCC (including now Morocco and Jordan) at the next crisis in Gaza or elsewhere, people will see the real face of the GCC. Who needs the AL?
November 12th, 2011, 10:57 am
bronco said:
Norman
“Do you think that Syria now will move to reinstate martial law and militery courts and curfew.”
As it is a stalemate, one scenario plausible is that there will be take over of the country by the army as it is in Egypt. Bashar will step aside (not step down) and will release temporary his authority to the army until all the reforms are announced and implemented.
It’ll be like a soft coup. That should satisfy the international community and the US who has asked Bashar to ‘step aside’.
The SNC objection to deal with Bashar’s government will be satisfied as the dialog, if ever agreed will be done with army.
Under the army’s control, curfews and military courts will be reinstated just like Egypt.
November 12th, 2011, 11:01 am
Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:
@71
“its obvious now KSA and Qatar trying to lead the Arab world to support an assault on us”
Yes, to get rid of YOU, the criminal, murderous, thieving gang that has been robbing, killing, and raping with immunity for decades. Finally their conscience could no longer permit them to go along with the bloody show of the Assadist mafia and their associates.
As I write this Mousa Ibrahim has morphed into a fat white-haired old man frothing at the mouth in the Syrian Mafia’s embassy in Cairo.
November 12th, 2011, 11:03 am
louai said:
MAJEDKHALDOUN
‘Louai
you call oppositions are traitors,this is an opinion of a frustrated defeated party.throw accusations,out of touch, angry person who does not realize what he says.’
so let us know as relaxed victorious party, what would you call a group of people killing soldiers and civilians kidnapping citizens and calling NTO to bomb their country? ah sorry you just called them Angels yesterday … who is out of touch then?
you are right I am angry , I am angry of considering myself am Arab all this time , what a shame , but more angry that you claim to be a Syrian , I hope you are not .
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November 12th, 2011, 11:03 am
Tara said:
Bashar remained up intil now detached from reality. This is a true mental illness. I wish and pray that the decision of the AL today to expel Syria serves as a rality check and a wake up call.
It is way too sad that the regime supporters are allowing one man or one family to destroy a country. Intelligent people are those who can read the present and predict the future. The Syrian people are resolute in their quest for toppling Assad. They are non-stoppable. Intensifying brutality is not going to break the revolution back. Syrians are fearful no more. Bashar will go down no doubt about it. It is the regime supporters who are going to decide at what cost! I am sorry that you guys can not see this. It really is very very clear. The more this goes on, the more hatred and desire for revenge are going to set in and with full scale civil war we will all lose the Syria that we have known before. Group mentality will justify the unjustifiable. Watch the recent slaughtering True on the Wall warned every one not to watch and determine if this is the price the regime supporters want to pay to try to save Bashar. The irony is that Bashar’s fate has been sealed. It is the future of Syria that is now left to be drawn.
November 12th, 2011, 11:14 am
Mina said:
What is in the background is the US election and the withdrawal of Iraq.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/middle_east/mk10ak04.html
They don’t want to look like they have lost the whole Middle East except for the elderlies and their slaves in the Gulf.
November 12th, 2011, 11:23 am
Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:
@90
We would rather be human first and support people seeking freedom and dignity than “true” Arabs or Syrians who serve and defend the gangesters, killers and rapists.
November 12th, 2011, 11:23 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Bronco
You said: the regime” it has nothing to loose anymore, so it will proceed as it chooses. It has the upper hand,” ,
What does the regime is doing ,brutal crackdown.this is what they chose.
You have a habit of denying what you said earlier.
Bronco said:
“that there will be take over of the country by the army as it is in Egypt. Bashar will step aside (not step down) and will release temporary his authority to the army until all the reforms are announced and implemented.”
This is deceiving and maneuvering.will be exposed soon.real reform is accepted, fake reform will not be accepted.
I doubt the army can stage a fake coup.
November 12th, 2011, 11:24 am
bronco said:
Tara #91
“The irony is that Bashar’s fate has been sealed. It is the future of Syria that is now left to be drawn.”
The irony is that the key issue has never been about when Bashar would go, but it has been what comes after.
And how do you see it? Who takes over? When? How?
November 12th, 2011, 11:28 am
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November 12th, 2011, 11:35 am
Revlon said:
AL suspend Syrian regime mebership
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fhHId2IbtE&feature=player_embedded
Qatari PM and Al Secretary Press conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fhHId2IbtE&feature=player_embedded
11/11/2011
November 12th, 2011, 11:41 am
Tara said:
Bronco
One of the solution would be for Bashar to appoint a figure from the regime who does not have blood on his hands and who is acceptable to the opposition to have a dialogue under the supervision of the AL in regard to peaceful transition of power and to immediately step down and exile himself with his immediate family somewhere.
November 12th, 2011, 11:43 am
zoo said:
Syria: AL decision is Illegal and Violates AL’s Convention and Internal Charter
(Dp-news – Sana)
http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=102886
CAIRO- Syria’s Permanent Representative at the Arab League, Ambassador Yousef Ahmad, said that the decision to suspend Syria’s membership is illegal and violates the Arab League’s charter and internal regulations.
He said that this decision is a eulogy for Arab common action and a blatant announcement that its administration is subordinate to US-western agendas.
Earlier on Saturday, the Arab League Council on Ministerial Level suspended the participation of Syria’s delegation in its meetings.
Earlier, Ambassador Ahmad affirmed Syria’s commitment to implementing all the articles of the Arab work plan on the situation in it, noting that Syria made strides in doing so despite armed groups’ attempts to foil the plan since it was announced.
During the extraordinary meeting on the level of foreign ministers held on Saturday at the Arab League headquarters to discuss developments in Syria, Ambassador Ahmad stressed that armed groups, the opposition abroad and all the various forces that seek to escalate the situation in Syria in terms of politics and media are obligated to discard and surrender weapons, cease all acts of violence, comply with the Arab plan, accept national dialogue, and put an end to instigator and negative stances and statements.
Ahmad said that hostile atmospheres, blatant political instigation and media attacks are still taking place with the aim of escalating the situation inside Syria and urge opposition abroad and armed groups in Syria to not cooperate with calming efforts and foil any positive Arab role.
He reviewed the various steps taken by the Syrian government in terms of the Arab work plan, which includes withdrawal of army units from cities and urban areas and replacing them with law-enforcement personnel, noting that despite that, the remnants of the armed terrorist groups continue to use heavy weaponry still being smuggled from neighboring countries to murder and terrorize people in cities and their outskirts.
Ahmad also denied the allegations of some Arab and international mass media which claimed that the Syrian army used military machinery and heavy weapons inside Syrian cities, adding that the Syrian government released 553 detainees involved in recent events with more detainees to be released gradually quite soon, in addition to granting amnesty to those who surrender their weapons as long as they haven’t committed murder.
He pointed out to the dangerous development in the US stance regarding the crisis in Syria, with the US Department of State Spokesperson announcing that her country advises gunmen to not surrender their weapons, which shows the degree of the US blatant interference in Syria’s internal affair and its clear instigation of violence and murder, adding that this stance also constitutes an official US acknowledgement of the existence of active gunmen in Syria which contradicts previous US statements and allegations which said that what is happening in Syria is merely “peaceful protests and demonstrations.”
Ahmad went on to note that Syria invited Arab and foreign mass media to visit Syria and witness the reality of the situation, and that Syria continues to provide information and reports on terrorist acts to the Ministerial Committee and the Arab League General secretariat.
“On 2/11/2011, the night of the Arab League Council’s decision was issued, the bodies of 68 citizens murdered by the gunfire of these armed terrorist groups were found… their bodies were mutilated in horrible ways that shame all of humanity… we will show the Arab League delegation the photos and documents related to these crimes as soon as they reach Syria,” he said.
Ahmad affirmed that the Syrian government will provide all the necessary facilitations and guarantees to the Arab League delegation which will visit Syria soon, giving them full freedom of movement and guaranteeing their security, voicing Syria’s confidence that the presence of the delegation and the professional and credible fulfillment of its duties will play a vital role in ensuring the success of the Arab work plan.
He also underlined some of Syria’s official remarks and demands regarding the Arab work plans and the elements to ensure its success, stressing the necessity of shedding light on the attempts of external forces and some members of the Syrian opposition to undermine the plan and show the Arab League as a being helpless to play an active positive role in the Syrian crisis in order to summon foreign interference, regardless of its form or the price it will entail.
Ahmad noted that the US blatant instigation and calls for gunmen to not surrender their weapons is linked to another US stance which calls on Arab countries to join the political and economic boycott in Syria, which also matches the stance of the French Foreign Minister who described the Arab work plan as being dead. He affirmed that these stances show that these despotic forces aren’t comfortable with the Arab role and shocked by Syria’s response to the Arab initiative.
He said that these negative and serious stances required an official statement from the Arab League or the Arab committee that rejects calls for using weapons and violence and Syria and affirming the continuation of the Arab work plan, inviting all sides within Syria and abroad to play a responsible and constructive role and reject violence. Ahmad called on the Arab Ministerial Committee and the Arab League Council to issue a clear statement in this regard.
He also expressed Syria’s surprise over the statements made by the Arab League Secretary General in which he said that Syria isn’t committed to the Arab initiative, ignoring in his statement the grave instigator statements of the US and France and the stances of the Istanbul council who rejected the Arab work plan and dialogue.
Ahmad pointed out that after approving the Arab work plan, many Syrian national opposition figures within Syria and abroad became subjects to a campaign of intimidation and coercion to make them reject dialogue with the authorities and join the Istanbul council which seeks to summon foreign interference regardless of its price.
He went on to affirm that media instigation against Syria doubled in a rabid and unprecedented rate since the Arab League Council’s decision, manifesting in the way reports are being formed and the broadcast of images, the fabrication of news and focusing on the one side which rejects the plan and dialogue, all which aims at promoting the continuation of violence and creating instability to foil the Arab plan and encourage some opposition figures abroad to adhere to their negative stances, all which would lead to preventing any peaceful solution and opening the door to foreign interference with all its disastrous consequences on the region’s security and stability.
Ahmad said that Syria believes that the Arab Ministerial Committee’s role and the Arab work plan’s articles include basic responsibilities entailing that Arab countries must reign in the unprofessional practices of some Arab mass media which seek to escalate the situation in Syria under the pretext of independence of opinion and funding.
“We don’t ask for silencing an opinion or the other opinion… we demand exercising the optimum amount of responsibility, professionalism and neutrality and dealing with the events taking place in Syria,” he said, stressing that those who ignore the reality of the negative political and media interference and instigation are attempting to blot out the son with their fingers.
Ahmad said that the Arab Ministerial Committee should play an active and serious role and that it must have a real, organized presence in Syria along with the Arab delegation, calling on the Arab League Council to make clear stances by rejecting the statements of some countries and foreign forces who seek to continue bloodshed and violence in Syria heedless of the interests and aspirations of the Syrians and the serious repercussions of their reckless policies.
November 12th, 2011, 11:43 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Louai
The regime through its criminality, is to blame for outside forces to interfere,the demonstrators are peaceful and powerless, the regime is killing by all its military security and shabbiha power,the only one thing is reasonable is to call for outside power to help.
The rule of nature is no matter how powerful you are, there is always someone more powerful than you.
November 12th, 2011, 11:44 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Revlon
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No it was not the membership that was suspended, it was the participation that was suspended, it means the regime is no longer represent the syrian people and lost its legitimacy and no longer will be allowed to get back.
The pro regime are deceiving and lying when they say the membership is susended,they soon will realize they are wrong.Syria as a country and people are still members of the AL but the regime ,the assadist are no longer admitted.
November 12th, 2011, 11:52 am
Uzair8 said:
Can the Arab League now suspend Lebanon and Yemen please? And Iraq given a final warning?
November 12th, 2011, 11:55 am
Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:
@95
Oh, so now it isn’t about Bashar and his mafia and the other parasites that have been sucking the blood of the Syrian nation, is it? It is who comes after, eh? Heard of something called democracy, elections, and transparent referendums? You don’t think Syria has enough honest, educated patriots who can run the country? Nooo, it must be only god’s very own son, BASHAR and his sycophants who can do the job, the rest are just inferior rubbish, fit only to be slaves to serve the great leader.??
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November 12th, 2011, 11:57 am
Ghufran said:
I agree that a new order is being forced on the region and the goal is to contain Iran and its allies and impose friendly regimes across the region headed by the GCC.
Qatar Emir was clear since 2003 that he wants the region to follow his country’s model which requires an alliance with the US and casual but friendly relations with regional powers including Iran. He and others see Iran as a bigger threat than Israel because Iran has the potential to dominate and the ability to destabilize the Gulf.Israel is seen as a powerful but small country that has no chance of threatening the gulf emirates. The biggest victim here is the Palestinians who will be forced to accept a mediocre state that has no sovereignty and little chance to be independent.Jordan will be offered the chance to keep its royal family but will be asked to absorb its palesinian population and reduce the need for the refugees return to their homeland. Lebanon will also pay a price,its Shia and Christian sects will have to allow the Harirites to rule in return of new order that will also require the absorption of 600,000 pals in the Lebanese society.
The desired outcome is a region ruled by regimes dominated by the GCC and the US,by default,and a contained Iran. Syria is just one piece of the puzzle. The problem is that the GCC itself is neither free nor democratic,and that Syria and Lebanon are not similar to the GCC countries and still have considerable ethnic and religious diversity which will make it very difficult for these countries to follow the GCC model especially that their biggest asset is man power not oil.will Syrians manage to transform their country without becoming an extension of the GCC? My own prediction is that they can,and they should.
November 12th, 2011, 11:57 am
bronco said:
Tara #98
I agree with the concept, but I doubt Bashar will step down. The large part of the population who support him will feel let down and react. The door to civil war will be wide open.
I believe that if the army takes over part of the leadership and Bashar steps ‘aside’ that may be more acceptable because his presence has become a thorn in the side of the opposition, even though I think his stepping aside will change nothing of the reality of the government as Bashar is only the visible tip of the iceberg. Yet, it will give the hardline protesters the impression they won, maybe enough to calm them and allow the opposition to sit around a dialog table.
November 12th, 2011, 11:58 am
ss said:
100 Majedkhaldoon;
“the only one thing is reasonable is to call for outside power to help”
Sure, if I am one of the handful people in the opposition I would want a solution and a win situation. I would be calling for international force. This is easy said than done and the internation community knows that very well. The international community wanted an intervention in Syria for years. Russia and China will not let Syria go. Sayed Nasrallah in his speech clearly stated that any attack on Syria or Iran will have a very bad consequences and the war will be moved to Israel let us say it out and frankly. If Israel is ready to pay the price for the islamic move in Syria then yes the international community will conduct a strike, if Israel feels that the price is too heavy, no one will throw a stone on Syria. Power speaks and Assad the father was aware of this fact and for that he was building a stong ties in the region and this is paying off. Qadafi took off his clothes, Mubarak was a slave, etc….Syria is different and the regime proved again that it has a solid base and both internal and regional power. I assure you that no war will take place.
November 12th, 2011, 11:58 am
Revlon said:
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SNC Press release on Today’s AL resolution that suspended The regimes’s membership.
The SNC:
WELCOMED the AL resolution,
THANKED the supporting Governments, The Qatari PM, and the Saudi prince, and
EXPRESSED readiness to engage in negotiations that would lead to a Regime-free, transitional government and the the stepping down of Asad.
12/11/2011
http://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Revolution
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November 12th, 2011, 12:08 pm
irritated said:
Majed
“the only one thing is reasonable is to call for outside power to help.
Syrians begging for help from outside like the coward Libyans?
Where is your pride?
People martyr for a revolution, not sell themselves to foreign country to get help.
November 12th, 2011, 12:09 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Bronco said
And how do you see it? Who takes over? When? How?
Wait and see what the opposition will say in three days.they seems they are getting closer to a unified decision,listen to Haytham Manna3 today and what he said on Aljazeera.
Irritated
When the regime is killing me, and I have to choose between death and pride, you know what I will choose and what you will choose.
November 12th, 2011, 12:21 pm
bronco said:
majed
“it means the regime is no longer represent the syrian people and lost its legitimacy and no longer will be allowed to get back.
If what you say is true then the Syrian government is no more bound to the AL initiative and thus the initiative is dead. So why did the Qatari minister repeated that the initiative is alive, despite what France and other country said and the AL wants to pursue it and they are sending a delegation to Syria?
Or do you think that the Al initiative will be declared dead in 4 days?
There is a bit of contradiction here, don’t you think?
November 12th, 2011, 12:22 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
There are people,who still think that the regime has popular support, if it is true the regime should go for immidiate free election. the fact that they are under illusion and they are afraid to know the truth.
November 12th, 2011, 12:25 pm
Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:
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@105
“The biggest victim here is the Palestinians who will be forced to accept a mediocre state that has no sovereignty and little chance to be independent.”
My goodness! You actually believe that a Syria under the heel of the Assadist mafiosi and associates is going to give the Palestinians a better chance of getting a proper sovereign state?! You will not find anyone more supportive of the Palestinian cause than yours truly, but hey, let’s be honest here, Israel and America will NEVER, EVER allow that state you’re speaking of to ever exist.
Have you ever looked in detail at the economy of the Palestinian territories? I don’t care what sort of political independence the Palestinians win, they will be FOREVER under the stranglehold of Israel. So to hold the Syrian People’s freedom and dignity hostage to such wishful thinking is…unfair, to put it mildly.
November 12th, 2011, 12:25 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
So, now we have to believe that due to these sionist terrorists and thugs in Homs the Illuminated President of Syria has not been able to make amendments and reforms. Eleven years lost for nothing from his election. Seven months lost for nothing since the wake of the revolution. He was trying to implement reforms in the best way but he never found the suitable way or time to do it. What a fraud. Pfuah!!!
November 12th, 2011, 12:25 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Nothing will satisfy the Syrians who are anti-regime short of Bashar stepping down! I most definitely do not see any dialogue happening without that. It has really become up close and personal. Bronco, one needs to be realistic here. Take me for example. I lived a privileged life in Syria with many family members either part of or married into the regime including prior heads of intelligence etc . I do not have any family member who was hurt by the regime and I have said this before, yet I personally would not support a dialogue before Bashar steps down. If that what I feel, what do you think Syrians inside Syria feel? Parents no longer asking their kids not to demonstrate. Syrians can not just forget the killing and torture. They are all traumatized. They hold him accountable for all the killings whether he ordered it or not. If he steps down, he saves us civil war and/or foreign intervention both will destroy the Syria we both love.
November 12th, 2011, 12:26 pm
Revlon said:
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Egyptian lady tells horrors of her escape with her two kids from Syria to Amman.
By Otaf AlRowdan
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10 / 11 / 2011
http://ar.ammannet.net/?p=132677&ref=nf
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November 12th, 2011, 12:28 pm
irritated said:
Majedalkhaldoon
“When the regime is killing me, and I have to choose between death and pride, you know what I will choose and what you will choose.’
A real convinced revolutionary dies proudly as a martyr.
Did you hear proud Bahrainis calling for external help as they are being crushed by an external army? Did you hear Yemenis calling for external help? Did you hear Egyptians or Tunisians calling for external help?
Iran, Russia, Cuba and others did not ask for ‘help’ when they made their revolution. Thousands died but they build a country proud of its victory not like Libya’s NATO victory.
November 12th, 2011, 12:29 pm
ann said:
Muslims angry over New York police surveillance program find law may not be on their side
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/muslims-angry-over-new-york-police-surveillance-program-find-law-may-not-be-on-their-side/2011/11/08/gIQAQrHxyM_story.html
NEW YORK — Even before it showed up in a secret police report, everybody in Bay Ridge knew that Mousa Ahmad’s café was being watched.
Strangers loitered across the street from the café in this Brooklyn neighborhood. Quiet men would hang around for hours, listening to other customers. Once police raided the barber shop next door, searched through the shampoos and left. Customers started staying away for fear of ending up on a blacklist, and eventually Ahmad had to close the place.
But when asked if he would consider legal action against the police, Ahmad just shrugs.
“The police do what they want,” he said, standing in front of the empty storefront where his café used to be. “If I went to court to sue, what do you think would happen? Things would just get worse.”
It’s a common sentiment among those who are considering their legal options in the wake of an Associated Press investigation into a massive New York Police Department surveillance program targeting Muslims. Many of the targets feel they have little recourse — and because privacy laws have weakened dramatically since 9/11, they may be right, legal experts say.
“It’s really not clear that people can do anything if they’ve been subjected to unlawful surveillance anymore,” said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
The AP investigation revealed that the NYPD built databases of everyday life in Muslim neighborhoods, cataloguing where people bought their groceries, ate dinner and prayed. Plainclothes officers known as “rakers” were dispatched into ethnic communities, where they eavesdropped on conversations and wrote daily reports on what they heard, often without any allegation of criminal wrongdoing.
The NYPD did not respond to repeated requests for an interview, but it has insisted that it respects the rights of people it watches. Commissioner Ray Kelly says each request for surveillance is thoroughly examined by the department’s lawyers.
“The value we place on privacy rights and other constitutional protections is part of what motivates the work of counterterrorism,” Kelly told a city council committee. “It would be counterproductive in the extreme if we violated those freedoms in the course of our work to defend New York.”
But critics of the surveillance say the NYPD is taking advantage of a general weakening of state and federal restraints, many of them forged during the 1960s and following the Watergate scandal:
—The USA PATRIOT Act, passed after the 9/11 attacks, reduced legal limits on wiretaps imposed by the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. The same law also amended the Right to Financial Privacy Act of 1978 to allow banks to release records to intelligence agencies investigating terrorism.
—A 2007 law changed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, originally a reaction to former President Richard Nixon’s spying on political groups, to allow wiretaps of international phone calls.
—In 2002 the Supreme Court decision ruled that students cannot sue universities under the 1974 Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act. That could make it harder for Muslim student groups to seek redress over infiltration by NYPD undercover officers.
November 12th, 2011, 12:31 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Clinton said, USA want QUICK answer from Iran,this imply an action that is very imminent.
November 12th, 2011, 12:35 pm
Mina said:
The suspension is only “to AL ministerial meetings”
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/26381/World/Region/Main-points-of-Arab-League-decision-on-Syria-.aspx
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/26362/World/Region/BREAKING-Arab-League-temporarily-suspends-Syrias-p.aspx
today there was a huge explosion in a military base in Iran.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/26348/World/Region/UPDATED-Blast-in-military-barracks-west-of-Tehran-.aspx
Hans Blix warns: to let Israel attack Iran would be the best way to “ensure” Iran will seek the bomb.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/26367/World/Region/Israeli-strike-would-ensure-Iran-seeks-bomb,-warns.aspx
I suspect Fisk is in Homs and we’ll soon get news from on the ground, unless he decides again to auto-censure.
November 12th, 2011, 12:49 pm
Mina said:
Iran has already answered and said there is no proofs whatsoever, but the US need something to keep people busy instead of watching the economic downfall and withdraw all their savings and policies.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MK11Ak02.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MK11Ak01.html
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/iran-rejects-iaea-findings-on-its-nuclear-activities-as-lousy-intelligence-work-1.395087
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/230076?CMP=twt_gu
(on Iran’s answers)
And by the way,
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/turkey-fm-we-oppose-any-military-strike-on-iran-1.395174
November 12th, 2011, 12:53 pm
bronco said:
Tara
“If that what I feel, what do you think Syrians inside Syria feel? ”
That’s the key point: you are outside, you are not affected by the sanctions and the threats of a civil war so you can refuse the dialog as long as Bashar did not step down without any direct impact on you daily life.
When you are inside, you would make a compromise even with the devil to avoid being caught in a civil war and the terrible long term consequences it may have on the country and its citizens.
When the 15 years old civil war in Lebanon ended, difficult compromises were made with criminals like Geagea and Joumblatt for the sake of stopping the bloodshed and the further destruction of the country. While these men are still around in the political life of Lebanon, the country is in peace.
Compromises may save lives, while obstination destroys them.
The Syrian government has shown its readiness to rescind article 8, multiparty law has been announced, the constitution is being revised, the AL will supervise the dialog, what compromises did the opposition offer to do? They refused the dialog, they only want personal revenge, not the sake of the country.
Without renouncing to revenge and accepting compromises, the people living in Syria will continue to suffer.
November 12th, 2011, 12:56 pm
Revlon said:
101. Dear majedkhaldoun,
“Revlon: ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????
No it was not the membership that was suspended, it was the participation that was suspended”
Thank you for the feedback.
I watched both the reciting of the resolution as well as the following press conference of Qatari PM and AL secretary.
In the first, Qatari PM read: suspension of participation of Syrian delegation in all AL meetings (27 seconds)
In the press conference, and in an answer to related question, Mr N AlArabi provided the title of the resolution in Arabic: Suspension of membership(6.58 minute).
I found it confusing!
However, It appears to me that the AL secretary provided the technical title of the procedure, which is suspension of membership, while Qatari PM read what it entailed; the suspension of …..
I agree with you Syria as a member state was not expelled from the AL.
Cheers.
November 12th, 2011, 12:56 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: IRRITATED
RE: “…Syrians begging for help from outside like the coward Libyans?…”
Sure! Why not? You know the revolutionary principle: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
And they weren’t cowards. They killed what’s-his-name…er…Qaddafi. Let’s see if you can kill your what’s-his-name…
November 12th, 2011, 12:58 pm
jad said:
Ghufran,
I agree with your view.
I think that the war is coming sooner or later, there is nothing left for diplomacy and Turkey will get involved as soon as Wednesday when the next AL meeting will give the green light for the west to take over and start the military actions against Syria.
It was clear from the beginning that the goal wasn’t really about freedom or democracy it was about getting rid of Syria to get to Iran.
What’s unclear is the regime reaction; is it going to come up with a strategic moves as Bronco wrote, or is it going to intensify the military action on ground, or is it going to use it’s regional cards including ignite Bahrain situation or is it willing to let the civil war go without any interference, or take more dangerous approach and poke Israel somehow or just simply surrender and spare Syria all the destruction?
The next step by the regime will determine the outcome; I’m sceptical about the future of Syria though.
“My own prediction is that they can, and they should.”
Unfortunately I think that the people can’t do much against this attack, Damascus is the last place in the middle east to be conquered by the bedouins, as they say who rules Damascus rules the middle east and that is the goal.
November 12th, 2011, 12:58 pm
bronco said:
Revlon
Reported by Mina
“BREAKING: Arab League temporarily suspends Syria’s participation in ministerial meetings
Syria’s membership in the Arab League is not frozen but its participation in ministerial meetings is suspended pending an end to violence against demonstrators ”
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/26362/World/Region/BREAKING-Arab-League-temporarily-suspends-Syrias-p.aspx
November 12th, 2011, 1:07 pm
Dale Andersen said:
From the EU/JewJew/CIA/al Qaeda/Salafist/Saudi Press:
“…an explosion today at a base for Iran’s elite Republican Guard killed at least 27 soldiers and shook buildings west of Tehran, according to authorities, who downplayed any hint of international sabotage aimed at Iran’s nuclear program…”
Massive explosion near Teheran? If you think it was an accident, you are in total denial. Strap yourselves in, boys and girls. It has started…
November 12th, 2011, 1:07 pm
Revlon said:
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Coalition of Kudestan in Iraqi Government: Zibari’s abstention does not represent the coalition’s position. We support changing the oppressive regime in Syria.
12/11/2011 18:43
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http://www.aknews.com/ar/aknews/4/272059/
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November 12th, 2011, 1:11 pm
ss said:
111 by MajedKhaldoon “There are people,who still think that the regime has popular support, if it is true the regime should go for immidiate free election. the fact that they are under illusion and they are afraid to know the truth”
The word “SHOULD GO” needs to be modified. After all the internal and extrenal pressure the regime has to face the last 8 months and after all the toll death which topped 3500 on both sides, I do not think the regime is following the (SHOULD GO) phrase anymore. I think presendent Assad the father is still ruling Syria from his grave. He was one of the smartest politicians the Arab region ever had. The regime is surviving the current pressure as a result of Assad father vision. I would advice you to focus the conversation on how to unit the fragmented opposition. For God sakes they are throwing eggs on each other.
November 12th, 2011, 1:15 pm
Tara said:
I find Iraq abstinence from voting as opposed to decline the suspension at the AL to be very telling about Iran’s future position towards Bashar. Simply put it, when Bashar falls, Iran is not going to back him up! Iran is not going to engage in a regional war for Bashar’s blue eyes.
November 12th, 2011, 1:18 pm
norman said:
Syria is going the civil war path and the result is going to be a divided Syria and Lebanon on religious lines, probably, I do not know if president Assad will declare martial law and call for full mobilization and high alert,
We still should recognize that the army and Baath party are still together,
I wonder if what we see is the revenge for all the poems that we heard in Syria and Iraq about backward of the gulf region.
November 12th, 2011, 1:39 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
This step by AL, will be followed by another suspenstion by the Islamic union which Syria is part of, this may not be as important,but UN will consider such decision.
More isolation
November 12th, 2011, 1:40 pm
ss said:
The ties between Iran, Syria, HA, and now Iraq under Almalki regime are very hard for some Arabs to understand. I do not blame some Arabs who have learned only see the Saudi, Turkish, and Qatar style of relations. Qatar stabbed Syria in the back, the same with Turkey. Those people appraising these countries are not to blame if they state that Iran will care less about Syria. Sayed Nasrallah speech yesterday came to offend these claims and put the lines under the words. Iran, Syria are in the same boat, either they go all or they stay. Remember HA never said a word in the past and remained quite but yesterday they delivered just to remind people who are doubtful; not to be becaue the relations are healthy and alive.
November 12th, 2011, 1:43 pm
Dale Andersen said:
I went to the kinds of news sources Spammie Annie gets her news from (you know, sensationalist, questionable, barely literate) and here’s what I got on the Teheran explosion thing:
“…the Mujahedin-e-Khalq or MEK in Washington, citing reliable sources inside Iran, said the explosion hit the Modarres Garrison of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps west of Tehran. MEK spokesman Alireza Jafarzadeh said the garrison belongs to the IGRC’s missile unit and the blasts “resulted from the explosion of IRGC missiles…”
So it was maybe a Mujahedin-e-Khalq attack. This is cool shit!
November 12th, 2011, 1:46 pm
Tara said:
HA and Hassan Nasrallah made themselves irrelevant in the Arab discourse. They lost their Arab base. They turned themselves into a mere militant faction in Lebanon and that is that….Iran is not going to bleed it’s wealth or manpower for a ..dictator.
I must admit that I have never ever imagined I would feel this way about HA. Tis is a lost love, yet well deserved to be lost….
November 12th, 2011, 1:55 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
I trust prince Hamad. I think he is a good man. I think he is an Arab patriot. May be because I know as a fact that he and his siblings and cousins were indoctrinated into the Arab nationalism by Syrian Baathists ( Baathist Syrian teachers during their childhood). I bet he regards Arab nationalism the same way you ,Norman, and Tara view it.
November 12th, 2011, 2:05 pm
ann said:
Looks like the israel lobby and their islamist terrorist errand boys are overjoyed today!
November 12th, 2011, 2:07 pm
Majed97 said:
The AL was, is, and will always be irrelevant. The whole world knows who controls the gulf countries; and the fact that those countries are in process of imposing their will on the region through their GCC alliance means the U.S. and its allies will soon have full control of the world oil supply and secure the most strategic region in the world. Do you really think Russia and China will sit this one out?? Syria is the last front for this war; it will not go down easily, not without a bloody fight. The Syrian regime has been working hard for 40 years building its defenses (politically and militarily) in preparation for such confrontation. It is naive to think the regime will surrender its valuable assets that easily and allow Syria to be broken apart without a big fight. Unfortunately, if dialogue is not agreed on, I don’t see how a prolonged civil war will be avoided.
By the way, those who believe, naively, this unrest is all about Bashar, they are fooling themselves. The jackpot is much bigger than him; it’s all about the Iran/Iraq/ Syria/ Lebanon potential alliance. The west has worked very hard for decades keeping the Middle East divided in small and powerless pieces. For the first time since the demise of the Islamic Empire, the Middle East has a legitimate chance to develop a credible and independent regional powerful alliance capable of commanding respect and protecting the region’s interest, which represents a nightmare for the U.S. and its allies.
November 12th, 2011, 2:12 pm
norman said:
Tara,
Please watch BBC Arabic, they are talking about Qatar rule in the Mideast,
By the way, did any Arab or foreign leader call for the opposition to join the government in talks and did they call for the opposition to hold fire , It looks like they are only blaming the government .
November 12th, 2011, 2:12 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
The regime was wrong from the beginning by engaging with beduin Al,Syria should withdraw from Al ASAP.Arabs are not worth it,20000 Syrians killed in 1973 war with Israel ,were killed again today by Hamad beduin council.what is Syria benefit from AL?nothing.As a general principle Qatar and Hamad and Qaradawi are directly responsible for thousands of deaths in Syria. This knife directly stabbed into syria’s back by ????? should by the last time,next knife will be in the heart.Monsters Jumping happily her for today’s Arab’s stabbing should remember how many times isreal was condemned in the united nations,and that the US used Veto 50 times to protect isreal.This movement by AL could actually be good for Syria in general,it will make people more aware of their enemies,it will also stop ????? ????? and remove the masks.Beduin now removed their gloves and have their swords out,Syria’s neck is needed…Sadly some traitors like Revlon and Majedoglu and Tara are singing as they help to hold the neck straight .
November 12th, 2011, 2:15 pm
Pirouz said:
RE: the explosion at the IRGC munitions depot. This isn’t the first time this has happened in Iran. In the past, this kind of accident has even afflicted US and NATO sites. Was it sabotage? None of us can say with any degree of certainty.
Regarding an externally applied war against Syria, I think the chances of such are low at this point. Russia and China will not subscribe to such at the UNSC.
Regarding talk of a civil war, I’ve yet to see a “defector formation” larger than platoon strength. The same observation applies to “armed groups”. When we see multiple formations of company size or larger among the armed opposition forces — with vehicles — then we can entertain the notion of a civil war.
November 12th, 2011, 2:15 pm
ann said:
*** SO WHAT? ***
League initiative for Syria will not fly – October 25, 2011
There is no common ground to build on between the opposition and government or between both sides and the Arab bloc
Sami Moubayed
http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/league-initiative-for-syria-will-not-fly-1.917919
Although their country is a founding member of the Arab League, Syrians of all colours, both the opposition and regime, were never too fond of the Cairo-based organisation. The Syrian regime understands its symbolic value of adhering to League resolutions, but realises that the League has failed, almost at every single occasion of its 67-year history, at preventing “undesirable events” from happening in the Arab World. The most recent failures, Syrian officials say, are the 2003 war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon and the 2011 Nato war on Libya.
Now the League is positioning itself as a credible mediator in the Syria crisis, offering to bring the government and the exiled Syrian National Council for talks at the League’s headquarters in Cairo. That needs to be done within a 15-day grace period, whereas violence needs to stop on the Syrian streets and so do operations of the Syrian Army in different Syrian cities. To date, Syria’s strong ally, Russia, has extended support to the League Initiative.
The street is furious with the 15-day grace period, staging demonstrations last Friday against the League timeframe, claiming that it paves the way for more bloodshed in Syria. The opposition also claims that the League is biased towards Syrian officialdom, and does not want more regimes to fall in the Arab world. For its part, the Syrian government has said that it will accept the League initiative, “with conditions.” Condition I would be for dialogue to take place in Damascus rather than Cairo. Condition II is for talks to take place with the Syrian opposition at large, and not the National Council, which was created in Istanbul last month and which includes the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. As far as the regime is concerned, the Council “does not represent the Syrian street.” Condition III is that operations of the Syrian Army are “not up for negotiations” within the League framework.
Progress in doubt
Another sticking point is that Qatar currently heads the League and is due to supervise the upcoming League ministerial committee that is due to arrive in Damascus on Wednesday. The delegation will include the League Secretary General Nabeel Al Arabi and the foreign ministers of Algeria, Egypt, Oman and Sudan. The Syrian government is saying that Qatar is no longer impartial and has taken sides with the opposition against the Syrian regime. Syrian officialdom is furious, to say the least, with Al Jazeera’s coverage of events in Syria. Then last Wednesday, Qatar announced that it was willing to step down from the League’s ministerial committee, if that made life easier for the Syrians. Because of these two developments, Syria will welcome the League committee this week, but it is highly doubtful if any progress will be made, for the following reasons:
1. The League lacks enforcement measures to pressure Syria, if negotiations reach a bottleneck. The only measure it can take is freezing Syria’s membership in the League, which although symbolic, would not really damage or even hurt the Syrians. Egypt had its membership frozen for an entire decade, right after Camp David, but it eventually turned a new page with the League by the 1990s. Syria can do the same, if need be, although Syrian authorities are certain Arab countries would vote against suspending Syria’s membership, such as Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan and Algeria.
2. The Syrian government is not willing to sit and talk with the National Council, and the Council has said that it will only sit down with regime officials to negotiate exodus of the Syrian regime. Both parties refuse to budge and the League is completely incapable of changing their views.
3. Syria is saying that dialogue in Damascus will take place with “the national opposition” that refused foreign intervention in the Syrian crisis. They point to figures like ex-economy professor Aref Dalilah, former Baathist Hussain Al Odat, and exiled human rights activist Haitham Manaa, who recently shocked the Council by siding with the regime against it, saying that its members are creations of the US, Turkey, and France. Manaa, who remains persona non grata in Damascus, remains one of the most balanced and respected opposition figures in the diaspora. Back in 2003, he visited Syria at the invitation of the Syrian government, hailed as an iconic figure for saying that there will be no Ahmad Chalabis in Syria willing to topple the regime through the assistance of US tanks.
Now he is positioning himself as a moderate yet again, although he was among the loudest of voices in the opposition back in March, when disturbances started in his native Daraa. The Council, which is already being courted by world capitals and Arab ones like Libya, has said that it refuses any dialogue with anybody but the Council itself. Al Odat, who is spokesman of the National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change, welcomed the League initiative as it stands.
Precisely because of the points mentioned above, it is doubtful that the League initiative will fly. Neither side takes the League very seriously, and today, eight months into the crisis, Syria feels it is “back in control” whereas the foreign-based opposition is certain that the regime “is about to fall, any minute now.” There simply is no common ground to build upon between the Council and government on one front, and between both sides and the League, on the other.
November 12th, 2011, 2:17 pm
norman said:
Majed97 ,
I do not know if you know the reason to establish the GCC, i am old enough to remember that it was started as a response to the unity attempt between Syria and Iraq during Ahmad Hasan AL Baker, it came to stop that union and soon after it was started Saddam Hussein took power and finished that union,
So what you say started in the seventies to stop Arab nationalism and pan Arab State as advocated by the Baath party in Syria and Iraq.
November 12th, 2011, 2:20 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
“When you are inside, you would make a compromise even with the devil to avoid being caught in a civil war and the terrible long term consequences it may have on the country and its citizens.”
No Bronco. That is you perception of what Syrians syria want. The fact of the matter is “al shaab yoreed isqat alnizam”, ” the people want the execution of the president”, “no dialogue”, and “SNC represents us” and” NCC does not represent us” is what the Syrian street has been calling for, for the last 8 months. Did you forget all these slogans?
November 12th, 2011, 2:21 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: PIROUZ
RE: “…I’ve yet to see a “defector formation” larger than platoon strength…”
Fidel Castro’s revolution started out with a group of less than platoon strength. All the FSA needs to do is survive and carry out military operations against Regime forces. As the body bags get more numerous, more and more soldiers in Besho’s army will come to the conclusion that the Assad Mafia is not worth dying for…
November 12th, 2011, 2:37 pm
Mina said:
Let’s pray these guys won’t win any seats in the coming elections:
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/26379/Egypt/Politics-/AlJamaa-AlIslamiya-demands-female-talk-show-host-c.aspx
November 12th, 2011, 2:41 pm
norman said:
Apparently the AL will be responsible for the destruction of another Arab State, they are setting in motion the justifications that the West need for the attack.
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November 12th, 2011, 2:42 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
SS,
“…The ties between Iran, Syria, HA, and now Iraq under Almalki regime are very hard for some Arabs to understand”.
You still live in the authoritarian Baathist dimension. No one asked the Syrian people about, what relations they want to have with Iran, HA and their ilk.
Also, you say HA. You don’t say ‘Lebanon’. Wont it be more accurate to say “The ties between Iran, the Syrian Alawi community, etc” ?
Sorry for the sectarian language. You started.
.
November 12th, 2011, 2:43 pm
Uzair8 said:
Part 1 of Yousef al Ahmed’s word at the press conference after the AL meeting.
November 12th, 2011, 2:55 pm
Mina said:
Norman
It is also bluff from the AL; in a way it is giving time to the regime while the (manufactured) ‘opinion’ can be happy with “the bad is punished” for another few days.
But the tsar Putin does not seem to have changed his mind, and this AL meeting comes also in competition with the meeting scheduled in Moscow, no?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-attacks-britain-and-us-for-violating-libya-resolution-6261163.html
November 12th, 2011, 3:02 pm
Uzair8 said:
This may be another part: (Yousef al Ahmed) #148
November 12th, 2011, 3:04 pm
jad said:
If this news is true then the transition to the military rule started tonight, it may be followed by imposing emergency law and curfew and changing all high positions from civilian to military:
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November 12th, 2011, 3:31 pm
Tara said:
This Time We Mean It: The Arab League Gets Tough on Syria
By RANIA ABOUZEID / BEIRUT Saturday, Nov. 12, 2011
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099360,00.html
Syria appears to have lost its political cover from the Arab world. Damascus, the self-declared beating heart of pan-Arab nationalism, was suspended from the 22-member Arab League on Saturday. It was an unusually bold move by a body not known for achieving consensus or results, especially on the divisive issue of Syria’s handling of its ferocious eight-month-old crackdown on pro-democracy supporters.
In a stronger than expected move, 19 states approved the suspension, which will take effect on Nov. 16, when the League will meet again in Morocco to discuss Syria’s compliance (or lack of) on its latest demands. Iraq abstained, a move some observers interpreted as a measure of Iran’s influence over Baghdad. Iran remains Syria’s staunchest ally in the region, but Saturday’s vote clearly shows that both Tehran and Damascus have become pariahs in their neighborhood. Yemen, battling its own pro-democracy movement, objected to the suspension, as did Syria’s smaller, weaker neighbor Lebanon, which shook off Damascus’ 29-year occupation back in 2005, but now appears to be firmly back in Syria’s grip.
(See pictures of Syria’s ongoing bloody protests.)
The League also decided to impose political and economic sanctions against Damascus, and urged its member states to withdraw their ambassadors from the Syrian capital in protest. “Syria is a dear country for all of us and it pains us to make this decision,” Qatari Foreign Minister Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani told a news conference at the League headquarters in Cairo. “We hope there will be a brave move from Syria to stop the violence and begin a real dialogue toward real reform.”
With its surprising decisiveness, the league managed to repair a measure of its credibility, badly damaged after Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had made a mockery out of a supposed agreement with the League announced just 10 days ago. Under the terms of that deal, Assad was supposed to withdraw his security forces from Syria’s besieged cities, stop violence, free all political detainees, hold a national dialogue with the Syrian opposition within two weeks, and to allow media, the Arab League and international monitors access to the closed country. He didn’t do any of that. Instead, more than 100 people were killed in the tormented central city of Homs alone since the “deal” was announced on Nov. 2, according to a Human Rights Watch report issued this week. HRW has accused the Syrian regime of committing crimes against humanity in Homs. Syria will be excluded from the pan-Arab body until it implements the terms of this earlier agreement.
“We were criticized for taking a long time but this was out of our concern for Syria,” Qatari Foreign Minister Thani said of the perceived foot-dragging on censuring Syria. “We needed to have a majority to approve those decisions.” The concern, of course, is that instability in Syria, particularly of a sectarian nature, could surge across its borders and ignite similar sectarian conflict in the patchwork societies of Iraq and Lebanon as well as foment trouble in Jordan and Israel, perhaps through Syria’s militant allies, the Lebanese group Hizballah and the Palestinian Hamas organization.
(See TIME’s complete coverage of the Syrian uprising.)
Still, despite these fears, Arab League Secretary General Nabil Araby suggested that the body had run out of patience with Assad. “The Arab League started asking Syria four months ago to stop this killing, but without a response,” he said, later adding that “Assad can stop the killing in four days, we’ve been asking him to do so for four months.”
Predictably, Syria’s representative to the Arab League, Youssef al-Ahmad, slammed the body’s “illegal” decision, describing it as a violation of its charter and an indication that it served a Western and U.S agenda, the state-run Syrian news agency reported. In an undiplomatic moment, he also allegedly called Araby and Thani “pigs and traitors,” according to Arabic satellite channels.
Name-calling and finger pointing aside, the question is what happens next? The Qatari foreign minister urged Syria’s fragmented opposition to meet in Cairo over the next three days “to discuss how they can have one opinion.” The Syrian National Council (SNC) was recently formed as an umbrella organization, but it has been marred by infighting and breakaways. Although the SNC has yet to be recognized by most states (apart from Libya’s new leaders), the Arab League went further than it has gone before in anointing the Syrian opposition council as the legitimate representatives of the opposition.
“This is if everything goes okay,” Thani added. “If the killing stops. But if the killing doesn’t stop, we have to come back and see where we are going.” That may include seeking assistance from the United Nations to help rein in Assad, a move that could echo international military action against Libya’s Colonel Muammar Gadhafi. But once again, the League shied away from the specifics, although Thani stressed that arming the Syrian opposition was not on the table — for now. “Nobody in the League is talking about arming [the opposition], or creating a no-fly zone. Not one member mentioned these. The mechanisms will be considered on the 16th.” Will the international community — specifically Russia and China, which have prevented a U.N resolution against Syria — now take cues from the Arab League and move more firmly against Assad? That remains to be seen. But one thing is definitely clear: the Arab deadlines are becoming shorter. Syria’s Baathist regime — which has been in power for five decades — now has four days to act.
November 12th, 2011, 3:53 pm
Tara said:
Makari: Lebanon’s position on Syria ‘reveals’ cabinet appointed by Syria
November 12, 2011
http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=331554
Deputy Speaker Farid Makari on Saturday slammed the Lebanese position opposing the Arab League’s decision to suspend Syria and said that Lebanon’s stance “revealed the truth that the [Lebanese cabinet] was appointed by the Syrian regime.”
The cabinet’s position is a “flagrant bias” toward the Syrian regime and contradicts the cabinet’s statement that it wants to distance Lebanon from Syrian events, he said in a statement.
“The Lebanese official position [on Syria] is an obstruction of the Syrian people’s will and a violation of Arab consensus.”
Makari also said that it is “more honorable” for Prime Minister Najib Mikati to step down and “distance himself from more shameful and embarrassing situations.”
Earlier on Saturday, the Arab League suspended Syria until President Bashar al-Assad implements an Arab deal to end violence against protesters and called for sanctions and transition talks with the opposition.
Lebanon, Syria and Yemen objected while Iraq abstained from voting.
-NOW Lebanon
November 12th, 2011, 3:59 pm
Mina said:
Fisk is in Beirut:
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/syria-nov-12-2011-1734
“violence from the protesters”
“impotent AL”
back on earth, uh?
November 12th, 2011, 4:04 pm
Hans said:
It is all in the hands of Putin, he knows very well what the radical Islam means! he felt their pain when they attacked him in the core if Russia few years ago.
he knows that USA is playing a dirty game with Syria and he has no love for Obama, he is going to make sure that UNSC never approve a military action against
Russia may look bad but that’s not a problem because many of the world knows that the USA is a dirty country all what it cares about is the Zionist interest and its own interest regardless of human being rights and all other public consumption empty words.
it is well know that in GSC countries pedophilia is wide spread do you think the human rights watch every done anything about it.
we all hear about the abuse of foreigners in those countries, men and women, have we ever seen anything done about it!!!
the people who are asking for international intervention in Syria are the one who should try the abuse of GSC first, it is the time coming when all radicals ruling the ME, I doubt if these countries would be different than Gaza strip living in poverty each family has a dozen or more of malnourished kids and all when they learn is the Quraan in school.
the west pays money for oil to the GSC but they know how to take the money back, all the GSC are in debts including KSA, there are poor Saudis who live below the standard of living of an american dog, how can that be when the oil at its highest prices for decades.
The best time of Syria has came and gone, during the last ten years where people were happy making lots of money.
Syria is going to be destroyed and put back for hundreds of years with the help of the radical traitors who are hungry for a stupid theology belongs to the stone age.
I read the retards here who advocate the military intervention and I wish them all to be inside Syria when that happen
I thought being a martyiers is a great thing, don’t you get 72 virgin and rivers of wine!!!! btw I thought alcohol is forbidden in Islam why is it allowed up in heaven….
I guess god either made mistake in that Ayaah or maybe it is a fake one or god was drunk at the time of Ayaah given out.
I hope people have some intelligence to understand that Islam is full of non sense like any other religion and accept that religion is not the only way to live life but using wisdom, intellectual and respect of human mankind is the way of the 21st century not teaching belongs to the stone age of human mankind.
November 12th, 2011, 4:06 pm
Tara said:
Mina boycotts Aljazeera on ” when needed” basis. She does when she doesn’t like what being said and provides link from the same Aljazeera when it helps her agenda. I call that not being genuine. I am so unimpressed with in-genuine people.
November 12th, 2011, 4:16 pm
Mina said:
Tara
You buy brands, I look for people. If you see what I wrote earlier, I was surprised the last two articles of Fisk in The Independent (his newspapers) were not about Syria, while he had written one week ago about the ongoing civil war and the fact some of the 3500 deads are from the military (but you prefer to believe they have been killed by bad-regime-guys).
So when I saw a link about him talking about the AL decision, I checked it of course. Fisk has his ups and downs but he knows conflicts and the Middle East far better than, let’s say, Tara, Hamster, or Revlon…
November 12th, 2011, 4:23 pm
Hans said:
it is Ungenuine. 🙂
November 12th, 2011, 4:23 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
The Arab league supported the syrian troops to go into Lebanon,Syria then,hailed that.
The Arab League supported the US troops to invade Iraq, Syria under Hafez Assad joined in.
Now AL action to protect syrian lives and avoid further spilling of syrian blood,is opposed by Syria.
On Arabiya Sharif Shahadeh yelled and shouted,at Bassam J3ara and told him you are thief son of thief,I think he has picture of Bashar infront of him.
November 12th, 2011, 4:24 pm
Tara said:
Then Mina next time please don’t tell us you boycott Aljazeera, just tell us you boycott what does not fit your views or agenda on Aljazeera.
I do believe what people say until they unintentionally make a mistake and reveal they were not saying the truth. Then I don’t believe anything else they say. And BTW, just in case you don’t know, there is no relationship whatsoever between not buying brands and being intellectually honest.
November 12th, 2011, 4:35 pm
jna said:
133. Dale Andersensaid:
here’s what I got on the Teheran explosion thing: ….. So it was maybe a Mujahedin-e-Khalq attack. This is cool shit!
Yes, cool shit like when al-qaeda blew up part of the Pentagon ten years ago.
November 12th, 2011, 4:37 pm
Tara said:
Thanks Hans. It did not sound right.. Please feel free to correct me when indicated.
November 12th, 2011, 4:37 pm
Mina said:
Tara, I am sorry but I feel like answering a robot, because you sound not genuine at all. Really, you did not understand my lousy English, and that the “brand” here is al jazeera? Could you also consider that to boycott al Jazeera Arabic, which I was watching before they launched their psyop campaign last winter, should not necessarily include al Jazeera English, since the first one is more important? That indeed, to boycott means “not to lose time with” but that it does not mean I should ignore real news? And you really have nothing to say on the respective expertise of Tara and Fisk when coming to the Middle East?
For Hans: al Jazeera is launchig a satellite channel in the Balkans. I bet Putin will not appreciate. Nor should the EU, unless they continue to follow Sarkozy-Carlyle-Cameron.
November 12th, 2011, 4:45 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
MABROUK SYRIA !!!!1
November 12th, 2011, 4:50 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
TARA and others,
One important thing that will come out of this is that Assad will be embarassed to pedal his Pan-Arabism and Arab Nationalism anymore, since 19 Arab countries gave him a slap on the face. For long this regme was able to establish support among Sunnis, especially rural Sunnis in places like Raqqah, Deirezzor, Tadmur, Hasakeh and other such desert bedouin places, on the basis of Arab nationalism. Also, many Syrian Army recruits come from these places and from Arab bdeuin background. Now with Assad openly showing his contemp for A.L and getting totally isolated in the Arab world and increasingly dependant on Iran and Russia, many Sunni Arab Nationalists in the Army who are still supporting him will get totally disillusioned and start to defect.
What do you think of this Dr. Norman ?
November 12th, 2011, 4:56 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
This is the prove Mr. Assad thinks it is too late for any reform and he will not do it. In his own words on 2nd february 2.011:
In an extremely defiant interview that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad gave to the Wall Street Journal (31st January 2011), al-Assad spoke frankly about a series of demonstrations and protests taking place in a number of Arab countries, saying: “If you didn’t see the need for reform before what happened in Egypt and Tunisia, it is too late to do any reform.”
November 12th, 2011, 4:59 pm
bronco said:
Tara #143
What percentage of the Syrians were demonstrating and/or using these slogans: 2%, 5%?
That’s is not “the Syrians”, that is a tiny noisy minority.
Not a single arab country (except Libya) has recognized the SNC, as none is sure that the SNC really represents the Syrians. All this is fuzzy and therefore jumping to conclusions without serious evaluation is irresponsible.
The only way to know is either a referendum or election. All the estimations based on Youtube and the expats talking to eyewitnesses is totally unreliable.
November 12th, 2011, 5:08 pm
bronco said:
#153 Tara
“This Time We Mean It: The Arab League Gets Tough on Syria”
If, in the next 2 days, the AL does show it is fulfilling its part of the deal:
a) Get a formal agreement from the opposition that they will come to the dialog table
b) Stop the media reporting unverifiable infornation
c) Advise the US to stop their incitation to violence
d) Condemn the armed rebellion
The whole AL initiative would then look more like a trap than a help.
Then Syria had rather call the deal off and withdraw unilaterally from the AL.
Qatar and KSA, both open US allies, are dominating the AL, while the usually strong partner, Egypt is entangled in a post-revolution mess, and the other Arab countries have all internal problems.
It is becoming clearer that the AL is manipulated by the GCC to force Bashar Al Assad to step down.
They have an agenda close to the US agenda. They want to weaken Iran and lead the Arab world, while we all know that all non-gcc Arabs secretly despise the ‘khalijis’.
With brothers like that who needs enemies
November 12th, 2011, 5:20 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
#167 BRONCO
Are you asking a referendum or an election? So you are an anti-Assad. He knows better than you and me what the people of Syria needs.
It is too late to try to use arguments like referendums when no single free election has taken place in Syria for decades under Assad tirany.
Regarding the percentage of syrians actively opposing the regime just notice that 800.000 egyptians who represent 1 % of the population did the job by themselves. Nothing else to be said.
Just relax and be realistic.
November 12th, 2011, 5:21 pm
Hans said:
The minute the AL and the barbaric USA and its puppets announce the military action against Syria, the ME will go on fire, the Russians are there to tell the regime where are the American ships and Americans can’t use the air power without the ships, unless it is done from Turkey, Iraq or Israel and in any one these situation the world will know that Syria is being attacked by criminals. Syrians are going to react in a storm and the popularity of Bashar is going to soar remember there is no true love for the USA between the Syrians.
I wonder what is the best reaction Bashar can do! launch missiles against Israel or against the USA ships in the sea.
or send some of our brave Kamikaze pilots against these ship to give the Cowards Arabs a lesson in Martyrdom.
it is a shame that Syria not only has to deal with own issues but we have to deal with traitors, cowards, bunch of Arabs who are worth nothing but being dragged behind a pick up truck, i never wanted to live or work in the GSC, I could make four times more in money then what i make which is a lot, but I refused to serve pigs.
I live and work with dignity.
November 12th, 2011, 5:27 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
#170
Sorry, just a question, What beneffit could Assad get from bombing US ships or launching an attack on Israel? War or better an all out war is just won by one side. If he launches one single missile outside syrian borders NATO will enter war. Do you think he can destroy Nato machinery? So, you think he will suicide and will cause the massive destruction of Damascus?
November 12th, 2011, 5:37 pm
bronco said:
Sandro #169
In Egypt, the demonstrations were in the capital not only in villages and towns. In Egypt the army was neutral. In Egypt they did not need to call for intervention of neigboring and foreign countries.There was never a fear of civil war as most Egyptians were against Mobarak
Anyway Egypt situation is far from being solved as the country is still under the army authoritarian regime and this is probably what will happen to Syria sooner than later.
November 12th, 2011, 5:37 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Did you notice that the AL statement addressed the army directly, over the head of, and by ignoring the Syrian leadership?
“We ask the Arab Syrian Army to not be involved in the violent actions and killing of civilians,” Sheikh Hamad said, quoting from an Arab League statement.
Did you notice that Nasrullah, in his speech yesterday, sounded even more pro-junta than in his earlier speeches?
What is the point in which you say with certainty, that there’s a civil war going on?
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November 12th, 2011, 5:42 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Did you notice that the deadlines that the Syrian junta is faced with, become shorter?
First, it was 2 weeks: Turkey gave Assad 2 weeks, about 2 months ago. The AL gave Assad 2 weeks to redraw the army, then again 2 more weeks.
Now it’s 3 days.
“Sixth: Call on all sides of the opposition to meet in the League’s headquarters within three days”.
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November 12th, 2011, 6:00 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Bronco, yes the egyptian army was a major factor in getting rid of Mubarak, why don’t you wait and see what the syrian army might do,I don’t think that the army is 100% loyal to Assad,just wait,just wait.
The AL addressed the army,this tells me something.
November 12th, 2011, 6:00 pm
zoo said:
Al-Jazeera slammed for biased coverage
Sat Nov 12, 2011
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/209731.html
Scores of Jordanian activists have rallied in front of the local offices of the Doha-based Al-Jazeera and Riyadh-based Al-Arabiya news channels in Jordan, slamming their sympathetic coverage of Syria’s opposition.
The rally on Saturday led to minor clashes between staff members of the two channels and the protesters, DPA reported.
Protesters said the employees of the two news outlets were “Zionists and agents” who sought to help implement an “America agenda.”
The rally was organized by the Jordanian Popular Committee for Supporting Syria, which consists of several hundred Jordanian trade unionists, academics as well as politicians.
Meanwhile, activists in Qatar had earlier also accused Al-Jazeera of serving Israeli interests in the region.
They posted photos showing the Emir of Qatar, Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, and his prime minister shaking hands with Israeli officials, activists also criticized the government for its close ties with Tel Aviv.
It is widely believed that the Emir of Qatar has direct influence on the nature of programs broadcast by Al-Jazeera, which has repeatedly been accused of an uneven coverage of the events of the “Arab Spring.”
Al-Jazeera is accused of blowing the opposition movement in Syria out of proportion while turning a blind eye to the Bahraini government’s violent crackdown on peaceful anti-government protesters.
A number of well-known journalists, including Ghassan Ben Jeddo, have resigned from the TV in the past months over the channel’s coverage of Middle East events.
November 12th, 2011, 6:03 pm
jad said:
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November 12th, 2011, 6:05 pm
Tara said:
Bronco 167
People who went out and demonstrate are not your average gals or guys. They are heroes. I looked up the percentage of heroes in general population and I found a study showing 1 in 5. Assuming an average family in Syria consists of 5 people, quick mental math tells you that the percentage of the demonstrators (even after using your percentage) reflects the majority of Syrian population. Of course this is all semantic and only free election or referendum is what actually determine the opinion of majority Syrians, something that Bashar is fighting tooth and nail not to have.
November 12th, 2011, 6:08 pm
Ghufran said:
I can not help expressing my curious amusement at khaled’s sudden improvement in his English and the relative moderation in his posts. Please give my best regards to whoever took over khaled’s name and helped us read his posts.
The army may have to take over and give Bashar a break from politics,this can provide a face-saving exit but there are serious doubts whether the ruling family will consider it and whether this will be enough to stop the attack on the regime because the target is still Iran and the attackers need assurances that old Pro-Iran Syria will be replaced by a new pro west Syria. Frankly-speaking,I only care about the welfare of my fellow Syrians and I could not care less about other details. Arabs will always be Arabs
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November 12th, 2011, 6:13 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: HANS IN HIS PANTS
RE: “…the world will know that Syria is being attacked…”
The world doesn’t care about Syria. Syria is on her own on this. But the neat thing is, the rest of the world gets to watch while Syria implodes.
The lesson is this, Hans. Syria, for the past forty years has had a foreign policy which projected hostility to almost all outside entities. It would be okay, I guess, if it were just hostility toward Israel. But it was hostility toward almost everyone. But that’s what you get when you let a mafia run the show.
So don’t be surprised when the rest of the world just stands back and watches. But that’s what you get when no one likes you.
November 12th, 2011, 6:14 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear Hans:
There will not be a military action. The regime is already suffocated economically it has no money to pay the money due to Shell and Total.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/118eec00-0bb7-11e1-9310-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1dXGijjUC
By more economical sanctions the regime will fall within weeks
Dear Bronco:
All what happened was a trap for an elusive regime. This is the only way to catch the criminal regime.
November 12th, 2011, 6:15 pm
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November 12th, 2011, 6:16 pm
Ales said:
Just wants to state that nowlebanon.com is the worst news portal in Lebanon.
November 12th, 2011, 6:18 pm
Tara said:
Ghufran
Khaled is probably not as sectarian as he sounded to be and probably did not mean what he said. At least, I hope so. He is angry and hurt and that is why he said what he said.
Khaled
I hope what you said is true and the “Bedouin” officer see the light and refuse to obey orders to kill civillians.
November 12th, 2011, 6:19 pm
ann said:
What is the point in which you say with certainty, that there’s a civil war going on?
When bombs start falling over your heads in your beloved tel aviv
November 12th, 2011, 6:19 pm
ann said:
179. Ghufran said:
I can not help expressing my curious amusement at khaled’s sudden improvement in his English and the relative moderation in his posts. Please give my best regards to whoever took over khaled’s name and helped us read his posts.
It’s ABOUD
November 12th, 2011, 6:23 pm
bronco said:
#175 Majedlalkaldoon
I much prefer the anonymous Syrian army to the pumped egos of the SNC puppets, that’s for sure.
Haytham Khoury
Traps when uncovered could backfire on the ones who put them.
Economic sanctions will hurt the Syrians in the opposition too. Hotels, offices closing and continuous demonstrations do not bring food on the table. The protesters need to eat too.
November 12th, 2011, 6:27 pm
Norman said:
Khalid,
After what happened to the Baath party and the army of Iraq, i do not see but a solid Syrian Baath and army that will stick together and fight till the end, The people who think that president Assad will be set aside are dreaming , I think, he is the face of the Baath party and army, not their leader, we all remember how he changes his mind , that is because he is the first among equals of the ruling Baath party not his head .
By the way, Does Syria have Missiles that can reach Qatar.?
I hope it does.and have it ready.
November 12th, 2011, 6:31 pm
Tara said:
Bronco @ 168
Yes it is probably a trap. And yes, the AL outsmarted Mr. Assad. Bashar is plain stupid. He knew he could not have possibly abided by the terms of the initiative yet agreed to it thinking he could buy time to subdue Homs and the revolution. He could not read into what was happening around him. He thought he can subdue the revolution. He was wrong. He thought that the AL is going to give him more time. He was wrong. He thought he could fool everyone else with announcement of cosmetic reforms, he was wrong. He chose the security option at the beginning. He was wrong. History can not tolerate too many mistakes.
It would have perhaps been better for him to refuse the AL initiative, insist on his conspiracy theory of armed gangs that need to be neutralized, and refuse any interference in Syria sovereignty. That may have bought him some more time. However, what ever path he could have chosen after 3500 death would have eventually lead to the same end.
November 12th, 2011, 6:34 pm
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November 12th, 2011, 6:46 pm
jad said:
Democracy in Syria
I just heard a representative of the Syrian National Council on AlJazeera Arabic: he thanked Qatar and Saudi Arabia “and the other Gulf countries”. I kid you not. How I worry for the Syrian people: from the lousy Ba`th to the lousy tools of GCC. And some out there expect me to support either the regime or the Syrian National Council?? You must be kidding me.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
“Arab spring”
We really have to abandon this typically Western-imposed title of “Arab spring”. Somebody in some office in Washington, DC came up with this name thinking it was cute and original. It came out of a mentality that expected the Arab uprisings to be a flowery hippie affairs guided by ideas of Gene Sharp. Blood is flowing in the streets of Syria and Yemen among other places. This is no spring, damn it.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
November 12th, 2011, 6:51 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: NORMAN
RE: “…President Assad is the face of the Baath party…”
Pencilneck is the face? God help us!
November 12th, 2011, 6:54 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
I’m surprised and puzzled by today’s Arab League decision.
Qatari foreign minister Al-Thani said today:
Constructive dialog with most of the opposition elements is not feasible because their core objective is to overthrow the regime without having to compete against the regime in elections. They know democracy is of no use to them unless the regime were to be overthrown because they know the regime would trouce them all bigly in elections.
This action by the Arab League exacerbates instability in Syria without a good ulterior purpose.
Syria’s Ambassador to the Arab League, Yousef Ahmad, said about today’s decision by 18 sovereign Arab countries: “it’s obvious that they’re following the US agenda and carrying out ordered issued by the US and Europe.”
http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/11/12/381118.htm That ambassador should be fired. It was his job to prevent what happened today, and what he says in that quote tells me that he wasn’t listening to what people were thinking and saying at the meeting. However, I don’t know myself what thinking they were following. I am having cognitive dissonance.
November 12th, 2011, 6:56 pm
Norman said:
It is interesting how for months , the opposition kept denying the presence of armed groups that are attacking the army and the civilians all the time claiming that the army is killing his own members who are refusing to shoot at ( Peaceful ) demonstrators, when that became a laughing matter, they came out with the FSA that is fighting back and defending the people, It is all along gangs that are trained and armed by the Saudi and Qataris who are trying to break the association between Syria and Iran and the support that Syria and Iran have toward the Palestinians , the goal is for a massive sell out of Palestine,
November 12th, 2011, 7:10 pm
Norman said:
Now the Jordanians are with president Assad and Syria,
It looks that there are still real Arabs,
http://www.alquds.co.uk
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November 12th, 2011, 7:16 pm
Dale Andersen said:
This isn’t about Palestinians, Norman. It’s not even about Iran. It’s simply people who are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.
As the pictures on the wall of Besho get bigger and bigger, his relevance to the people becomes less and less…
November 12th, 2011, 7:18 pm
jad said:
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November 12th, 2011, 7:49 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
What AL did today is that they kicked the syrian delegation out, practically saying no dialogue, with the syrian regime, how would anyone blame the SNC to refuse dialogue?
Why would Syria needs Iran for? it would be better if Syria has good relation with Turkey and KSA than Iran,the only possible reason that Syria want to have good alliance with Iran is to help HA, syrian policy is a continuation of Hafez Assad policy,there is no adjustments to the new enviromentin, in diplomacy alliance may and should change.
November 12th, 2011, 7:49 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear Bronco:
The regime has trapped a lot of people in the past. The regime prosecuted a lot of people in the past on false charges, just to mention few Michel Kilo, Loui Hussein, Aref Dalilla, Riad Seif, Anwar al-Buni, Fiaa Hourani and Riad al-Turk.
The charges that the AL holding against the regime are not false.
November 12th, 2011, 7:53 pm
Tara said:
Crowds attack diplomatic missions in Syria: residents
Reuters
6:44 p.m. EST, November 12, 2011
http://www.dailypress.com/news/national/sns-rt-us-syria-missions-attackstre7ab0yz-20111112,0,1887862.story
AMMAN (Reuters) – Crowds armed with sticks and knives attacked the Saudi Arabian embassy in Damascus and French and Turkish consulates in the city of Latakia on Saturday after the Arab League suspended Syria, residents said.
They said hundreds of men shouting slogans in support of President Bashar al-Assad beat a guard and broke into the Saudi embassy in Abu Rummaneh, three blocks away from Assad’s offices in one of the most heavily policed areas of the capital.
“We sacrifice our blood and our soul for you, Bashar,” the crowd shouted, according to neighbourhood residents.
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The Saudi Foreign Ministry said in a statement that a group of demonstrators “gathered outside the embassy, threw stones at it, then stormed the building.”
The statement, carried by the Saudi Press Agency (SPA), said Syrian security forces “did not take measures to stop them ransacking the embassy,” adding that the demonstrators stayed inside for a while before they were ordered out by Syrian security.
“The kingdom of Saudi Arabia strongly condemns this incident and holds Syrian authorities responsible for the security and protection of Saudi interests and citizens in Syria.”
Saudi Arabia withdrew its ambassador from Damascus in August, when King Abdullah demanded an end to the crackdown.
Similar attacks took place in Latakia, 330 kms (210 miles)north of Damascus on the Mediterranean coast, where French and Turkish consulates were the targets of angry crowds, residents said.
A French Foreign Ministry spokesman said France had only an honorary consulate in Latakia and he was unaware of it having been attacked. He quoted the French ambassador to Syria as saying late on Saturday that he was unaware of any attacks on French diplomatic or other interests in Syria.
The attacks took place hours after the Arab League suspended Syria for failing to carry out a promise to halt its armed crackdown on eight-month-old pro-democracy demonstrations and open a dialogue with its opponents.
A senior diplomat in Damascus confirmed the attacks. “They did a fair bit of damage to the Saudi embassy. We do not have the full picture from Latakia, but the attacks there appear to have been really bad,” the diplomat said.
A crowd held a pro-Assad demonstration in front of the Qatari embassy in Damascus earlier in the day. Qatar is the current head of the Arab League.
(Reporting by Khaled Yacoub Oweis, Amman newsroom; Editing by Tim Pearce)
November 12th, 2011, 8:15 pm
bronco said:
#189 Tara
No one should call victory yet..
You know very well that Bashar Al Assad has no other choice than to accept the deal as China and Russia were after him to accept.
It is early to say if the deal is a trap for Bashar. This first step of the temporary exclusion of Syria from ministerial meetings could be just a show off to calm the angry international community that complained that nothing was done. It got praises from the USA, and the EU and the SNC.
Yet, we will only know if it is a trap in 3 days when the AL will meet with the opposition to discuss ‘the transition’ and invite them officially to the dialog.
This is where we will see if the trap was not in fact intended to also corner the Opposition. As the Opposition brings in their demands and conditions, the AL will have to decide on the “steps to the transition”.
If the AL’s conclusion is to request Bashar to step down, the Syrian government may consider the deal broken as this condition was not included in the requirements on the Syrian government.
In addition I believe AL does not have the authority to ask a president of a member country to resign and if it has, it must be an unanimous decision and we know it won’t be. In this case, should the escalation reaches the UNSC, China and Russia will stand on Syria’s side.
If the AL fails to get an agreement with the Opposition then the deal is dead and Syria is no more bound to respect it as the other party is not. Here again Syria will get the support of China and Russia who will note the refusal of the opposition to dialog.
If the AL succeeds in getting the Opposition to accept the dialog while Bashar is still in power, then the Syrian government will be cornered to implement all the points agreed upon.
I guess the AL is looking for a success , not a failure. They have trapped themselves too.
Until we get there and analyze what will happen, there is plenty of time.
November 12th, 2011, 8:17 pm
newfolder said:
hahaha
so who’s laughing now minhibakji scum?
this is the beginning of the end of your evil murderous regime, we will have fun dismantling it …… and hanging Bashar and his cronies too ..stay tuned for more ….
November 12th, 2011, 8:18 pm
Tara said:
Is Turkey warning against military attack on Iran a price for Iran keeping quiet about Syria?
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=245320
Turkish FM warns against military attack on Iran
By JPOST.COM STAFF AND REUTERS
11/12/2011 17:22
November 12th, 2011, 8:30 pm
Norman said:
bronco,
you are making a lot of sense, i hope that you are right.
November 12th, 2011, 8:30 pm
Hans said:
Alex and Josh!
I was hopping we have a new posting by now in regards to the today event!
I know it is a tedious work but you both are up to the responsibility
thanks both.
November 12th, 2011, 8:33 pm
Tara said:
Bronco @202
Agree too early to claim victory, yet I think it is probably one step towards victory. Remember that the sanctions applied by the Arab countries will help closing up on the regime even further. I don’t know the impact of these superimposed sanctions on the longevity of the regime., I hope they are going to be significant. Agree that the next 3 days are very important in how the struggle is being shaped.
November 12th, 2011, 8:44 pm
Hans said:
Ann
FYI
Khalid says on other Syria Sites that he is not Aboud and he laughs there at people here who think that he is Aboud!
I don’t believe it until I have a proof, same spelling, grammar mistakes and Very low class ( White trash if you will) language used by both it makes it difficult to believe they are two individuals.
If this is the quality of people who are congratulating to rule the new Syria, god help the civilization.
But at any rate they could be two but they think alike.
I know that there are lots of doctors here but as I said in the past, many of them don’t have the privilege to see me or any of my family, good doctors is not about reading and knowing books, but it is about civility which I don’t see it in many of them who write here, I guess genes are what matter not where someone lives, eats, practices.
November 12th, 2011, 8:56 pm
SF94123 said:
What all the fuss about the AL’s most anticipated move? Is there anyone who did not know it is a useless organization? AL was unable to deal correctly with any issue concerning its body since its inception. Today was no exception.
The SNC missed a golden opportunity to gain a little legitimacy and to sell its vision of future Syria to the remaining 98% of Syrian who never heard of SNC except from the Media. Bourhan Ghalioun televised speech was a failed bid to connect with Syrians instead he should have agreed unconditionally to dialogue to save Syria and its people from destruction and death. Today, calling on Syrian people who have nothing in common with him to escalate tension is an attempt to push the country faster into a full scale civil war.
Dialogue. Dialogue. Dialogue is still the only way to move forward. The window is closing fast and I am not sure if Syria can be saved at this point. Sadly, too many regional and international powers influence events in Syria.
November 12th, 2011, 9:01 pm
hans said:
Here is the future ruler of the Arab spring
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=255971564450040&set=a.202494713131059.44408.142952112418653&type=1&theater
November 12th, 2011, 9:06 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: HANS
RE: “…white trash…”
Who’s to say you’re not white trash?
November 12th, 2011, 9:08 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
There is nothing int he Al rules that prevent them from requesting that Bashar needs to leave,AL policy is similar to united nation policy.
They kicked bashr delegate out,there is no way they will ask the SNC or NCC to engage in dialogue.
keep on dreaming, it is time for action against Bashar.
November 12th, 2011, 9:14 pm
Hans said:
@ 210
” white trash”
it seems it means lots to you.
woot woot.
November 12th, 2011, 9:15 pm
ann said:
Hans, they shared with ABOUD their e-mails, giving him the capability to post whenever he wants. Making it impossible to prevent him from posting.
November 12th, 2011, 9:15 pm
Revlon said:
FSA statement on AlMsaifra military operation
– Asad forces fired at unarmed demonstrators killing two, and seriously wounding several others.
– In response, Phalanges of Freedom Martyrs and Martyr Ahmad AlKhalf confronted Asad security and Shabbeha forces killing 15 and seriously wounding many more.
Friday of Freezing Membership.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n1W1R_cMHw&feature=player_embedded
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November 12th, 2011, 9:16 pm
Hans said:
Syria is called from now and on :
The Syrian Republic.
no need for the “Arabic”, until the Arabs become humans then they can join Syria.
November 12th, 2011, 9:19 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
The Constitution of Syria, which was ratified in 1973, contains thirteen instances of the phrase “Arab nation”. The phrase refers to all of the Arabic-speaking jurisdictions on the planet. The Constitution states among other things:
I sincerely hope the committee currently rewriting the Syrian Constitution will delete the “Arab nation” stuff as unrealistic, outdated, and undesirable. Syria shouldn’t burden itself with “struggles” and “aspirations” for a “comprehensive unity” with the Khaleejis. The Khaleejis are a foreign people. Syria can be friends with them but it’s bonkers to aspire to be married to them.
November 12th, 2011, 9:20 pm
jad said:
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http://binaa-syria.com/B/ar/content/press15
November 12th, 2011, 9:25 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
You always admired the Syrian regime because it championed the Arab causes, from supporting the resistance to opening its borders to Arab refugee, etc. I did too.. in the past.
Doesn’t it sound strange to you how almost every regime supporter on SC (eccept Norman) wants to distance him/herself from the Arab nationalism. I take that as a mere reflection of what the Syrian regime is really about: an Arab- cause pseudo champion to give itself the legitimacy that it lacks as well as the alliance it needs to sustain power. A regime with supporters like the people on SC can never be genuine about Arab nationalism.
November 12th, 2011, 9:35 pm
bronco said:
#204 Norman
I also think that Qatar wants the ‘moderate’ MB back in the future government of Syria. This is also a demand from Turkey.
The street demonstrations are organized by local committee mostly linked to the Moslem brotherhood. It is not a coincidence that each call for a general strike fails lamentably while demonstrations coming out of mosque and during funerals get a response.
In order to stop them, the order must come exclusively from MB members of the SNC, from KSA or from Qatar. The NCC having no MB members among them have no power to stop the demonstrations.
This is the strength to the SNC, this is why they won’t budge.
Therefore whatever the Syrian government will attempt to do to discourage the demonstrations, the street demonstrations and confrontations will not stop until any of the MB, Qatar or Saudi Arabia will tell them to.
What price will Saudi Arabia and Qatar will ask Syria to exercise their influence on the street?
I think they want Bashar al Assad to accept the MB in the future government of Syria that he has excluded in the new party law.
There is probably an arm twisting going on in the background before the AL meets the Opposition in 3 days.
If Bashar accepts that, Qatar will give the orders to the committees to stop calling for Bashar’s head and stop the demonstrations. The SNC will then accept to enter in dialog.
In 3 days we’ll know.
November 12th, 2011, 9:36 pm
hans said:
Here is one of the internal movements which can represent the Syrians, not associated or financed by KSA, Qatar and doesn’t belong to the Zionist lobby or the USA devil circuit
http://www.souria-alwatan.org/?page_id=2
November 12th, 2011, 9:47 pm
Jacques said:
#202 Newfolder
So let’s assume the regime is indeed as you describe it, and I’m not going to discuss this affirmation right now. How would you call what you’re advocating for? Your behaviour and thoughts don’t differ in any way from the regime’s murderous ones. You want to put an end to this regime by replacing in with a similarly terrific one. How is this going to be worse? In the actual case, no matter how tyrannic and monstrous the regime is, it cannot “manipulate” a portion of the population that is not a minority. The regime itself is issued from a ethnic minority, and having a larger portion of the population exerting the same behaviour would be disastrous for the minorities. No matter what degree of tyranny would the actual regime maintain, it will never be as disastrous as having a larger ethnic group holding the same behaviour. What people need to remember is that democracy isn’t obtained as a result of a democratic regime. It’s the total opposite. So before even calling for a change in the political situation in order to reach democracy, try to arrange what is most crucial to a democracy, the people that constitutes it.
However, if we look throughout history, the way emancipation had taken place to lead us to democracy isn’t as spontaneous as one might think. In Europe, or in France most specifically, the french revolution was pumped with the Lumiere’s reflections (an intellectual french movement at the last moment of the monarchy that ultimately lead to the revolution). These as still taken as reference as of today and are taught in philosophical classes in France. So the “cover” of that french revolution at the time was really attractive, and looked so favourable, and it is… but today. The current state France is in, the state of democracy it is in, wasn’t gained miraculously and directly after the revolution. Instead, this was ultimately one of the most terrific and darkest moment of the history of France, this lead to worst direct consequences than the pre-revolution state, words can’t not describe the monstrosity that had taken place. The population simply couldn’t have undergone this transition directly. Isn’t it reminiscent of something?
A saying from the famous french philosoph Hegel in french would say: “Mais ce qu’enseigne l’experience et l’histoire, c’est que les peuples et les gouvernements n’ont jamais rien appris de l’histoire, et n’ont jamais agi suivant des maximes qu’on aurait pu en tirer”.
Or: What history and experience teaches us, is that populations and governments never learned anything from history, and never reacted following maxims that could have been deducted.
If we make the analogy to Syria, basically, democracy is a state we want to reach, and the cover of the revolution seems really favourable and attractive. But that’s not what’s going to happen most certainly, and it would get worse. Will it tend to democracy afterwards, like in the case of France? Absolutely. But in the meantime, there are those terrific consequences that might happen.
However, the status quo is even less favourable, and the situation in Syria cannot remain as such forever.
Is it that hard to learn for once something from history and to evolve in the manner we react in? If revolution isn’t the right way, does it mean there is no other way we could do it? Obviously not, everyone knows it and some were advocating for discussions. Again, now this doesn’t fulfill the expectation of many, and it has shown to be not effective at all either.
So, do we give up and lean towards the only other way we have experienced?
No, and no. I didn’t suggest and I’m not going to suggest in that post any other mean. One of the distinctive feature of human, is it capacity to innovate. Let’s try to do it for once and find an undefined path we would built to reach our goal in the best way possible, and not the easiest.
November 12th, 2011, 9:47 pm
bronco said:
Tara #218
I disagree. Only a country that believes in Arab nationalism would accept without conditions more than one million refugees from Iraq and hundred of thousands from Lebanon and provide them services and support. I can’t say the same about Saudi Arabia who closed their border to the Iraqi refugees.
Syria has also given a home to Palestinians refugees and facilities that they were not obliged to give.
It is the only Arab country that does not require a visa from Arabs to get in.
You may have heavy reservations about the Baath party, but you cant accuse it of being pseudo-arab-nationalist.
November 12th, 2011, 9:50 pm
hans said:
Here are the MB bosses…. it is a history buried in cowardness, traitors.
it is why many innocent Syrians paid the ultimate price in life for these pigs to live and destroy Syria.
http://ahlalbeit12.blogspot.com/2011/10/blog-post_1346.html
November 12th, 2011, 10:06 pm
bronco said:
Qatar is violating the charter by suspending Syria.
The Arab League charter
http://www.mideastweb.org/arableague.htm
Article 18.
If one of the member States intends to withdraw from the League, the Council shall be informed of its intention one year before the withdrawal takes effect
The Council of the League may consider any State that is not fulfilling the obligations resulting from this Pact as excluded from the League, by a decision taken by a unanimous vote of all the States except the State referred to.
November 12th, 2011, 10:07 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: HANS IN YOUR PANTS
RE: “…pigs to live…”
It takes one to know one.
I know lots of Syrians who call Besho a pig and a coward, rutting in the mud as he does, protected by his Shabeeha thugs. So you say the Muslim Brotherhood are cowards and pigs? They would disagree and they would point to Hama and ask you, Hans, who was the coward in Hama? Who was the pig in Hama?
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/06/stuck-in-damascus-with-memphis-blues.html
November 12th, 2011, 10:21 pm
sheila said:
To all,
I just wanted to drop in and point out to you that there is a revolution going on in Syria, just in case you have not notice. There are people dying everyday; some are called citizens, some are called soldiers and some are called Shabiha, they just all happen to be Syrian. Our beloved regime seems to be incapable of controlling the situation, regardless of who or what caused it. So, it is high time for this regime to go. If you are afraid of chaos, we already are in complete and utter chaos, if you are afraid of sectarian violence, we already are experiencing sectarian violence and if you are afraid of the collapse of the Syrian economy, it is already in the gutter. Now you have to choose between continuing with the incapable or trying some other trick. (Hint: your choice will have high correlation with your IQ level).
November 12th, 2011, 10:22 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Well put, Sheila.
Besho has already failed. No amount of rhetoric can save him. His government is a no-hoper and needs to go!
November 12th, 2011, 10:27 pm
Jacques said:
#202 Newfolder
So let’s assume the regime is indeed as you describe it, and I’m not going to discuss this affirmation right now. How would you call what you’re advocating for? Your behaviour and thoughts don’t differ in any way from the regime’s murderous ones. You want to put an end to this regime by replacing in with a similarly terrific one. How is this going to be worse? In the actual case, no matter how tyrannic and monstrous the regime is, it cannot “manipulate” a portion of the population that is not a minority. The regime itself is issued from a ethnic minority, and having a larger portion of the population exerting the same behaviour would be disastrous for the minorities. No matter what degree of tyranny would the actual regime maintain, it will never be as disastrous as having a larger ethnic group holding the same behaviour. What people need to remember is that democracy isn’t obtained as a result of a democratic regime. It’s the total opposite. So before even calling for a change in the political situation in order to reach democracy, try to arrange what is most crucial to a democracy, the people that constitutes it.
However, if we look throughout history, the way emancipation had taken place to lead us to democracy isn’t as spontaneous as one might think. In Europe, or in France most specifically, the french revolution was pumped with the Lumiere’s reflections (an intellectual french movement at the last moment of the monarchy that ultimately lead to the revolution). These as still taken as reference as of today and are taught in philosophical classes in France. So the “cover” of that french revolution at the time was really attractive, and looked so favourable, and it is… but today. The current state France is in, the state of democracy it is in, wasn’t gained miraculously and directly after the revolution. Instead, this was ultimately one of the most terrific and darkest moment of the history of France, this lead to worst direct consequences than the pre-revolution state, words can’t not describe the monstrosity that had taken place. The population simply couldn’t have undergone this transition directly. Isn’t it reminiscent of something?
A saying from the famous french philosoph Hegel in french would say: “Mais ce qu’enseigne l’experience et l’histoire, c’est que les peuples et les gouvernements n’ont jamais rien appris de l’histoire, et n’ont jamais agi suivant des maximes qu’on aurait pu en tirer”.
Or: What history and experience teaches us, is that populations and governments never learned anything from history, and never reacted following maxims that could have been deducted.
If we make the analogy to Syria, basically, democracy is a state we want to reach, and the cover of the revolution seems really favourable and attractive. But that’s not what’s going to happen most certainly, and it would get worse. Will it tend to democracy afterwards, like in the case of France? Absolutely. But in the meantime, there are those terrific consequences that might happen.
However, the status quo is even less favourable, and the situation in Syria cannot remain as such forever.
Is it that hard to learn for once something for history and to evolve in the manner we react in? If revolution isn’t the right way, does it mean, there is no other way? Obviously not, everyone knows it and some were advocating for discussions. Again, now this doesn’t fulfill the expectation of many, and it has shown to be not effective at all either.
So, do we give up and lean towards the only other way we have experienced?
No, and no. I didn’t suggest and I’m not going to suggest in that post any other mean. One of the distinctive feature of human, is it capacity to innovate. Let’s try to do it for once and find an undefined path we would built to reach our goal in the best way possible, and not the easiest.
November 12th, 2011, 10:34 pm
Pirouz said:
Can anyone confirm this PressTV report?
Syrian protesters storm the Saudi embassy
Syrian protesters have stormed the Saudi and Qatari embassies in Damascus to voice their outrage at an Arab League’s decision to suspend Syria’s membership in the Pan-Arab body.
The incident occurred late on Saturday when thousands of people poured into the streets of Damascus to stage protest rallies in front of the Qatari, Saudi, Turkish and US embassies.
Demonstrations were also held in Syria’s major cities of Aleppo, Raqqa, Lattakia, Tartous, Hasaka and Sweida.
In Damascus, some protesters broke into the Saudi embassy while some accessed the rooftop of the Qatari embassy building and raised the Syrian national flag.
Others pelted the Qatari facility with tomatoes and eggs to protest against Doha for heading the Arab League emergency session, where the suspension was announced earlier in the day.
Chanting slogans in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the protesters then gathered in front of the Turkish and US embassies, condemning the Arab bloc for acting out a plot they said had been hatched by the United States.
A similar protest was held against the Saudi-based Al-Arabiya and the Doha-based Al-Jazeera news channels in the Jordanian capital, Amman.
The angry protesters tried to break into the buildings of news channels, which they blamed for following a US and Israeli agenda against Syria.
November 12th, 2011, 10:50 pm
jad said:
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http://www.arabtimes.com/portal/news_display.cfm?Action=&Preview=No&nid=9790
November 12th, 2011, 11:11 pm
Norman said:
Tara,
I agree with Bronco of# 221, We still believe in Arab unity and nation, it is unfortunate but many of us are sad and angry on how other Arabs could stab Syria in the back, after all what Syria did for the Arabs, Iraqis, Palestinians and Lebanese,
Hans,
You are wrong about the doctors here and you have no right to generalize, your experience with some should not be generalized,so please CUT IT OUT. Or we are going to complain to the chief Doctor, president Assad.
November 12th, 2011, 11:17 pm
Hans said:
@ Norman,
don’t feel targeted, I never said ALL… obviously you are excluded, I am referencing to the Doctors who can be characterized as being the Dr. Zawahiri of the SC.
November 12th, 2011, 11:55 pm
Norman said:
Shiela,
The regime is not going anywhere, the only chance for Syria and especialy for the opposition to win anything for the people is for the opposition to reach an agreement with the government on the mechanism of free election so the Syrian people and the Syrian people only will chose their represanitives , this take over that the opposition is trying to do will only replace a dictatership with another.
November 13th, 2011, 12:08 am
Jacques said:
My post is showing, why?
November 13th, 2011, 12:14 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
From the pro-regime blog http://www.facebook.com/SyrianTruthEnglish?sk=wall
This is part of the REAL Syrian Revolution of 2011.
November 13th, 2011, 12:28 am
Ghufran said:
I do not think elections were on the mind of people like Hamad Bin Jasem and the goats princes. What the AL did was shooting its own initiative down and paving the way for international intervention and more sanctions. The focus is on toppling the regime not creating a democratic system. SNC exec member Ahmad Ramadan was publicly criticized on Aljazeera by Egypt’s previous rep at the AL for lack of political vision before he was interrupted by the host.
????? ?????? ????? ? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ? ???????? ? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? ??????? ? ??????? ? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????
There is hope that a coup from within may reverse course in Syia but most people do not think that is going to happen and very few are willing to count on that possibility and are fearful that a civil war and a foreign invasion of some sort are more likely now.
I have not met any Syrian who was against regime change but the devil is in the details and what the AL did was throwing Syria to the devil.
November 13th, 2011, 12:30 am
ann said:
Syria’s Christians back Assad, fear unknown future – 2011-11-12
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/12/c_131243107.htm
DAMASCUS, Nov. 12 (Xinhua) — Syria’s Christians, accounting for 10 percent of the country’s Sunni-dominated population, showed unwavering support to embattled Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after roughly eight months of political crisis.
Observers said that the Christians’ support for Assad was due to fear that a regime change could deprive them of the veneer of protection Assad has long ensured for them.
Such fears haven’t however resonated among other minorities in Syria that have shown incongruous stands towards the uprising in Syria.
Kurds, for instance, have at the beginning demonstrated against Assad demanding improvement of their living conditions as most of them are living in impoverished areas in northern Syria.
However, even after being granted by Assad the Syrian nationality which topped their demands, some of them are still taking part in the anti-regime protests in northern Syria. The stands of other minorities are still ambiguous.
Christians in Syria, unlike the Kurds, are quite well off and some even hold senior positions in the government. This might be one of the causes that have raised their concern over a possible regime change and the following financial losses.
It’s common in Syria to see a mosque adjacent to a church not only in Christian neighborhoods but in every part of the country. Syria boasts itself of the coexistence among different sects, mainly Muslims and Christians.
Damascus still contains a considerable proportion of Christians, with churches all over the city but particularly in the district of Bab Touma. Masses are held every Sunday and civil servants are given Sunday mornings off to allow them to attend churches, even though Sunday is a working day in Syria.
Yet, the idea that Muslim extremists might assume power in the country distresses Christians enormously despite repeated assurances made by some Syrian opposition parties.
Ali Sadr Al-Din Al-Bayanouni, former general supervisor of the banned Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, said during a recent interview broadcasted by al-Arabyia TV channel that should Muslims assume power in the country, they would adopt the principle of citizenship regardless of the concept of sects and religious beliefs.
The Brookings Doha Center hosted last month a policy discussion with al-Bayanouni, who charged that the Syrian regime had for five decades presented itself as the protector of minorities. In reality, he said, the regime encouraged sectarian divisions.
Bayanouni said, national unity should remain the focus of the demonstration, stressing that the project of the Syrian opposition is based on shared demands: ending the oppression of the old regime and building a modern, civil state that believes in partnership and using elections as the means of decision-making.
“We believe that the current situation is better than a mere promise,” Patriarch of Antioch and All the East for Greek Orthodox Ignatius IV Hazim told Xinhua in an interview in response to al- Bayanouni’s remarks.
He said the current events in Syria haven’t at all influenced the Syrian Christians, stressing that Christians in Syria have always been in a good situation.
Christians prefer Assad’s rule to an “unknown future,” he said.
“We believe that President Assad will fulfill his promises and he is the best man to achieve the reforms,” he added.
He rejected the idea about a possible infighting between Muslims and Christians, saying all Syrians are hopeful to live peacefully regardless of their religious doctrines.
Samia Hadad, a Christian woman, said “I don’t believe in Bayanouni’s remarks as this is no more than propaganda to gain power.”
Antoine Karam, a merchant in the old city of Damascus, said “I staunchly back President Assad because he is a respected, educated and open-minded man… under the Assad government there has been tolerance towards religious minorities, an issue that is not guaranteed by any other would-be president.”
A peace plan initiated by the Arab League two weeks ago aiming to find a solution to end the crisis seems to be stillborn amid mounting accusations by opposition figures that the regime doesn’t honor its promises and is still harshly cracking down on protesters.
The Syrian government denied such accusations and said it had showed commitment to the peace plan by granting amnesty to hundreds of Syrians arrested during the unrest in the country, pledging to withdraw its military vehicles from violence-hit areas in central Syria, as well as approving to hold dialogue with opposition figures under supervision of Arab and international observers.
The Arab League would convene an emergency meeting in Cairo on Saturday to weigh the possibility of undertaking stiffer measures against the Syrian regime given its alleged breach of the plan.
AL chief Nabil al-Arabi said that the AL plan is, till now, workable and Syria’s Christians and Muslims are waiting to see the outcome.
November 13th, 2011, 12:32 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Ghufran, who lives in USA, says at #233: “I have not met any Syrian who was against regime change.” Based on that comment Ghufran can’t have met any Syrians for the last forty years. Here, Ghufran, let me introduce you to some Syrians who were and are against regime change: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J4nJUAMTjQ
November 13th, 2011, 12:38 am
ann said:
‘Shame on you’ Syria tells Sudan – November 12, 2011
http://www.sudantribune.com/Shame-on-you-Syria-tells-Sudan,40708
The Syrian ambassador to the Arab League Yussef al-Ahmad on Saturday lashed out at the Sudanese government for approving a resolution suspending his country’s membership in the Pan-Arab body.
The surprise decision taken by Arab foreign ministers in Cairo also called for imposing economic and political sanctions on Syria and urged member states to withdraw their ambassadors in Damascus.
Today’s move was in response to what was described as Syria’s failure to implement the Arab plan to end months of brutal crackdown on protestors who are demanding political reform and more recently the departure of president Bashar al-Assad.
More than 3,500 people have been killed so far in the Syrian crackdown, according to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (UNHCR).
All Arab countries voted in favor of today’s decision with Lebanon and Yemen against. Iraq on the other hand abstained from voting.
Sudan not only supported today’s resolution but convinced Mauritania and Somalia to back it, according to diplomats who spoke to Reuters.
Up until recently officials in Khartoum including president Omer Hassan al-Bashir have voiced staunch support to the Syrian regime describing the ongoing events as an international conspiracy.
“Syria is exposed to a foreign conspiracy because of its firm position on Arab issues and any weakening of Syria is a free service to enemies of the Arab nation” Bashir was quoted as saying last month after meeting with Syrian deputy foreign minister Faisal al-Mikdad in Khartoum.
But Sudan’s change of heart today irked the Syrian ambassador in Cairo who represented his country in the Arab league meeting.
“Syria for example during the Sudan [Darfur] crisis was more Sudanese than Sudan. President Bashar al-Assad in Doha [March 2009 Arab League] summit when he made his remarks all people that day said that he went so far in defending Sudan even more than the Sudanese president,” al-Ahmad said.
“Me myself in the Arab League council was more Sudanese than Sudan’s ambassador and this was the analogy used by the Sudanese and not me,” he added.
Syria strongly backed Sudanese leader when an arrest warrant was issued for him in March 2009 by the International Criminal Court (ICC) for war crimes he allegedly masterminded in Darfur.
The Syrian top diplomat Walid al-Muallem has reportedly chided ICC prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo in late 2008 in New York when he was addressing Arab foreign ministers in New York to explain his case against Bashir.
“When you talk about President Bashir should speak politely, and deal with his titles with the required respect,” al-Muallem was quoted as saying at the time.
The Syrian ambassador in Cairo expressed his disappointment with what he suggested was betrayal on the part of Sudan.
“So how did Sudan act with us today? Total silence. Why? Of course they have their reasons but I don’t want to justify these excuses,” he said.
“You all remember that the president of Sudan was wanted [by the ICC] but when Sudan was partitioned do you hear now about any specific requests? That’s it. The required task was dividing Sudan,” al-Ahmad added.
Arab newspapers had published that Syrian ambassador in the closed session today admonished Sudan’s foreign minister Ali Karti for his country’s stance.
“This is shame on Sudan and the Arab League,” Yussef al-Ahmad said according to teh London based Al-Sharq Al-Awsat.
“All the Arab countries stood against you so why are you picking on us?” was Karti’s response.
A political analyst who spoke to Sudan Tribune from Khartoum said that Qatar, which took the lead on Syrian issue, has likely influenced today’s vote by the Sudanese government.
In October hundreds of Sudanese Islamists and others staged a demonstration decrying the Syrian government.
It was the first protest against the Syrian government in Sudan, which has good ties with Damascus and Assad’s main ally, Iran.
“Oh Bashar, oh you coward, the Muslims are right here,” the protesters chanted after leaving Khartoum’s Grande Mosque following Friday prayers. “No to the Alawites, and no to Iran, the army of Mohammad is right here.”
November 13th, 2011, 12:53 am
Hans said:
If the opposition from the beginning of the revolution were inclusive of all the Syrians based on the national unity of all sects including the some of the Alawite who were not part of the regime or even some of them who were jailed by the regime… we would not have been in this shoes now. unfortunately, they followed the foreign powers who brought them up and gave them the orders.
it is a problem for the opposition even after the fall of the regime if it ever happens but with bloody years to come. it may take more than just the Nato bombing Syria and killing lots more then what have died so far. it is going to be a difficult task for the opposition to win the trust of all sects of the Syrians people which is not going to be a easy task and has no interest from the out side powers that it happens, it much more important for the outsiders that Syrians fight each others, than building a democratic country which means the destruction or of Syria for many years. Although the foreign media always try to present the supporters of the regime as thugs and shabiha not one can deny that there is still a large majority of support on the ground for the regime, in part because people in the last ten years felt, more happy, rich, freedom they never had or experienced in the last 50 years of life in Syria. it includes lots of Sunni, who has no interest in KSA style regime or foreign intervention destabilizing the country into bloody endless civil war and possibility of dividing Syria into pieces to serve only Israel.
November 13th, 2011, 12:54 am
ann said:
Syrian Christian archbishop backs Assad – newspaper – Nov 11, 2011
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE7AA1YR20111111
VIENNA (Reuters) – A senior cleric from Syria’s Christian minority said “everyone loves” President Bashar al-Assad and that he was still the best man to enact reforms, despite his military crackdown on pro-democracy unrest.
Yohana Ibrahim, the Syriac Orthodox Archbishop of Aleppo, told the Austrian newspaper Die Presse that most Christians supported both Assad and demands for democracy, but that killings by Assad supporters and opponents had to end.
“If he is willing to lead these (democratic) reforms, then he is the best man for this because he has the experience and has led the country for more than 10 years,” Ibrahim was quoted as saying in an interview published on Friday.
“He is the president, everyone loves him. Not just Christians, the Muslims too. But that is not enough. We need good leadership for the future. Assad is one of the right people to attain the changes that are needed.”
Ibrahim acknowledged, however, that others — including opposition figures — could also govern the country.
“Yes. Why not? Syria is open,” he said in the interview that was conducted during a trip to Vienna.
Syria’s minority Christians have watched protests sweeping their country since March with trepidation, fearing their religious freedom could be threatened if Assad’s autocratic, but secular rule is overthrown.
Sunni Muslims form a majority in Syria, but under four decades of rule by Assad and his father, who belong to the minority Alawite sect, varied religious groups have enjoyed the right to practice their faith.
For many Syrian Christians, the flight of the co-religionists from sectarian conflict in neighbouring Iraq and attacks on Christians in Egypt highlight the dangers they fear they could face if Assad succumbs to the wave of popular uprisings in the Arab world that broke out early this year.
November 13th, 2011, 1:04 am
ann said:
Crowds attack diplomatic missions in Syria – 11-13-2011
Enraged by Arab League decision to suspend Syria, Pro-Assad protesters storm Saudi Arabia embassy in Damascus, French and Turkish missions in Latakia
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4147316,00.html
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Crowds armed with sticks and knives attacked the Saudi Arabian embassy in Damascus and French and Turkish consulates in the city of Latakia on Saturday after the Arab League suspended Syria, residents said.
They said hundreds of men shouting slogans in support of President Bashar Assad beat a guard and broke into the Saudi embassy in Abu Rummaneh, three blocks away from Assad’s offices in one of the most heavily policed areas of the capital.
“We sacrifice our blood and our soul for you, Bashar,” the crowd shouted, according to neighborhood residents.
The Saudi Foreign Ministry said in a statement that a group of demonstrators “gathered outside the embassy, threw stones at it, then stormed the building”.
The statement, carried by the Saudi Press Agency (SPA), said Syrian security forces “did not take measures to stop them ransacking the embassy”, adding that the demonstrators stayed inside for a while before they were ordered out by Syrian security.
“The kingdom of Saudi Arabia strongly condemns this incident and holds Syrian authorities responsible for the security and protection of Saudi interests and citizens in Syria”.
Saudi Arabia withdrew its ambassador from Damascus in August, when King Abdullah demanded an end to the crackdown.
Similar attacks took place in Latakia, 330 kms (210 miles) north of Damascus on the Mediterranean coast, where French and Turkish consulates were the targets of angry crowds, residents said.
A French Foreign Ministry spokesman said France had only an honorary consulate in Latakia and he was unaware of it having been attacked. He quoted the French ambassador to Syria as saying late on Saturday that he was unaware of any attacks on French diplomatic or other interests in Syria.
The attacks took place hours after the Arab League suspended Syria for failing to carry out a promise to halt its armed crackdown on eight-month-old pro-democracy demonstrations and open a dialogue with its opponents.
A senior diplomat in Damascus confirmed the attacks. “They did a fair bit of damage to the Saudi embassy. We do not have the full picture from Latakia, but the attacks there appear to have been really bad,” the diplomat said.
A crowd held a pro-Assad demonstration in front of the Qatari embassy in Damascus earlier in the day. Qatar is the current head of the Arab League.
November 13th, 2011, 1:18 am
ann said:
Raising the Issue of Iran to Cover Up the Issue of Syria –
Raghida Dergham
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raghida-dergham/raising-the-issue-of-iran_b_1088509.html
The next few days will be difficult for the governments of Iran and Syria, which are responding to international criticism by handing out accusations of treason, interference and conspiracy. They will be difficult because “hiding behind one’s finger” has become an obvious gambit, and also because the time to be held to account is now imminent, and because Russia and its ilk in the alliance of “defiance” at the Security Council have not been able to protect the regimes in Tehran and Damascus from the consequences of stubbornly behaving with arrogance. But Iran and Syria are not alone in facing difficult days ahead. Their companion in arrogance, conceit and deception with regard to international and humanitarian laws and customs, i.e. Israel, is with them. For one thing, Benjamin Netanyahu’s Israel is tightening the noose around its own neck in the process of hanging the Palestinians. French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s comments to US President Barack Obama – which he was not supposed to say publicly – were, at the end of the day, sincere, when Sarkozy described Netanyahu as a “liar”. The fact of the matter is that most politicians, journalists and experts on the Middle East repeatedly describe Netanyahu as “a professional and pathological liar”. This time, the lies might not be restricted to promises about the peace process with the Palestinians, but could encompass what Netanyahu has in mind regarding Iran and Syria as well. There is a great deal of suspicion over this issue – and this would not be for the first time. The Israeli Prime Minister’s past record in supporting that the Syrian regime should be kept in place, and opposition to pressures on it, are well known, especially by the US Administration. It has been said that Israel changed its opinion in opposition to regime-change in Syria over the past few weeks, yet there are indications that this is being reconsidered, among them Netanyahu’s efforts to force a the subject to be changed and turn international focus away from Syria, and towards Iran. These are favors Netanyahu is providing to both Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in the form of threats and suggestions that an Israeli military operation is being prepared to put a stop to Iran’s nuclear programs. Such “favors” benefit Netanyahu himself because they could implicate the US Administration in confrontations and excursions in the Arab region, something that would be of service to Netanyahu within the Palestinian-Israeli context and would keep pressures away from him. They are shared favors for Assad, Ahmadinejad and Netanyahu, their main feature being to divert attention in order to buy time; as well as a service for the trio’s intersected interests.
Any Israeli military attack against Iran would serve first and foremost to gather Arab and Muslim popular sympathy to the benefit of the Islamic Republic of Iran. This is true because first, Israel is a nuclear state that challenges international laws and customs; second, because such emotions categorically reject Israel’s claim that a nuclear Iran would pose a threat to its existence; and third, because Israel does not have the legal authority to take the matter of a nuclear Iran into its own hands, with complete disregard for the Security Council, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the world’s major powers. Furthermore, the timing of such threats and hints at an Israeli military operation against the Iranian nuclear reactor nearly represents a gift to Iran’s primary ally in the Arab region – i.e. Bashar Al-Assad’s regime in Syria. If such an Israeli attack were to take place at this delicate stage for Syria, the regime would exploit this “gift” to its benefit at the expense of the opposition, and would seize the opportunity to crush the opposition on account of the transformation in the regional balance of power, especially at the popular and emotional levels.
The countries of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), the greatest fear of which is for Iran to obtain military nuclear capabilities, will see its strategy suffer a major setback, if Netanyahu and his Defense Minister Ehud Barak were to order a military strike against Iran. For inasmuch as some of those countries wish to sever “the snake’s head” in Tehran, so as for the two allies – Iran and Syria – to put an end to their dangerous axis, it is their view that the worst favor Israel can do them is that of taking military action against Iran. Such action is of great service to the rulers of Iran and Syria, not to those of the GCC. Netanyahu may be practicing the skill that he is addicted to, in a shrewd policy aimed at driving the major powers with permanent seats at the Security Council to stop delaying and being lenient with Iran, as it moves forward to obtain nuclear weapons. If his goal is to contribute to awakening Russia, China, France, Britain and the United States and informing them that their inaction is unacceptable and that they must take measures, then fair enough. But what some of those countries, and especially the United States, fear, is for Netanyahu’s decision to be aimed at dragging Washington into military action against Iran, or at least on leaving the impression that Washington has approved Israeli military action. In both cases, there would be a high price to pay for Washington.
Perhaps Netanyahu does not intend to take military action at present, but instead to put the option forward in such a way as to embarrass Barack Obama and unleash an electoral backlash against him, showing him as weak and hesitant in the face of a nuclear threat such as this. There is no love lost between the two men. The Israeli Prime Minister does not want the US President to win a second term that would make him more determined in dealing with Israel, whether at the level of illegal settlement-building or with regard to Netanyahu’s typical insincere two-state solution promises. The Obama Administration has given the Netanyahu government everything it wanted, yet in spite of this it is being blackmailed by the Israeli right and by the one-upmanship of the Republicans. As such, Barack Obama has been forced to progressively backtrack on the promises he had made at the beginning of his term with regard to the two-state solution, and has so far failed to stop illegal settlement-building. In fact, he has even been forced to use the veto power at the Security Council against the draft resolution on the settlements. This is while bearing in mind that American policy has for many years been based on opposing settlement-building.
Furthermore, regarding the membership of Palestine at the United Nations, the Obama Administration enlisted all its efforts to influence Security Council member-states in order to deprive the resolution on full membership of the nine votes it requires, so as not to be forced to make use of veto powers again, and so as to nip the Palestinian bid in the bud. In spite of all this, Netanyahu and his team dislike the administration. His priority is for Barack Obama not to remain in the White House, so as for him not to have the boldness to do in his second term what he was not bold enough to do in his first, for electoral or other reasons.
It would be better for Palestinian diplomacy to head to the General Assembly to secure a resolution in clear and plain language, one that would gather the greatest extent of support for it obtaining the status of a non-member “observer” state at the United Nations. Such a classification would not negate the status of “state” obtained by Palestine at the UNESCO. Indeed, one of the most important reasons for ensuring the status of a “state” is the subsequent ability to join the International Criminal Court (ICC) in order to challenge Israel’s violations, such as the settlement policy, legally. Thus, the General Assembly recognizing Palestine as an “observer state” would take away from the hands of the UN’s Office of Legal Affairs (OLA) and its head, Under-Secretary-General Patricia O’Brien, any pretext for rejecting the application of Palestine the “state” to join the Rome Statute that established the International Criminal Court. It has been mentioned that O’Brien would find loopholes in a Palestinian application based solely on the UNESCO resolution, on the basis that it is one of many UN organizations. Legally, the flaws are in O’Brien’s own loopholes. Nevertheless, it would be politically more intelligent for Palestinian policy to obtain a clear mandate from the General Assembly.
This is no time to allow any party to exploit the Palestinian issue for any other considerations. It is true that the duplicity of the Obama Administration is as clear as its failure to fulfill its promises regarding the establishment of the state of Palestine, as well as regarding the Middle East peace process. Yet it is also true that the tension in the relationship between Iran and Syria on one hand, and the international community on the other, must not be allowed to make use of Palestine to fuel emotions to the benefit of Tehran-Damascus. The responsibility of the Palestinian leadership lies in preserving Palestinian interests first. And such interests now require lucidity, pragmatism and moving one step at a time towards achieving its goals, not towards failure and detonating the situation at the expense of Palestine.
The priority now should go to what is happening on the Syrian scene, where over 3500 people have been killed, and where the Arab League’s initiative is collapsing to the tune of continued oppression and killing at the hands of Syrian authorities. It is clear that Western states at the Security Council will not make a move until the Arab League does, a move that is expected to happen tomorrow, Saturday, during the meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Cairo. It is also clear that Russia and its ilk in the defiance camp may seek to complicate the Syrian issue by forcibly linking it to the Iranian issue.
It is the duty of the Arabs not to fall into the trap of confusion or forceful complication, whether it comes from Israel, Russia, the United States or Europe, when those who have been killed are in the end, Arabs. The responsibility of the Arabs requires clarity of vision and of deeds, whether regarding Syria or regarding Netanyahu’s intentions towards Iran or Palestine, especially as the next few days will be difficult, and as the time of “hiding behind one’s finger” has passed for everyone.
November 13th, 2011, 1:23 am
ann said:
UNESCO: Israel Cartoon Showing Pilots Bombing Agency Endangers Lives
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/unesco-israel-cartoon_n_1087838.html
JERUSALEM — UNESCO has reprimanded Israel over a newspaper cartoon showing the Israeli prime minister telling pilots to bomb the U. N. agency’s office after bombing Iran, a spokesman for Israel’s Foreign Ministry said Friday.
The U.N.’s Paris-based cultural arm called in Israel’s ambassador, Nimrod Barkan, on Wednesday and handed him a protest note saying the cartoon “endangers the lives of unarmed diplomats,” according to the Israeli spokesman, Yigal Palmor.
The note came from the organization’s director-general, Irina Bokova, he said. Officials at UNESCO in Paris were not immediately available for comment Friday.
The cartoon was published last week in the liberal daily Haaretz, known for its criticism of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s hardline government.
It depicts Netanyahu and his defense minister briefing pilots before a hypothetical attack on Iran, telling them to target UNESCO’s office in the West Bank on their way back.
The cartoon was a jab at Netanyahu’s policies and his displeasure over the U.N. culture agency’s recent recognition of the Palestinians as a member state. The recognition led U.S., Canada and Israel to cut off funding to the agency.
The reprimand reflects an apparent misunderstanding of the cartoon – which was aimed at Netanyahu, not at UNESCO.
Palmor said the Israeli ambassador responded by telling UNESCO his country has a free press.
“We’ve heard of Islamists raging against supposedly disrespectful cartoons, but U.N. officials going down the same road – that’s a whole new ballgame,” Palmor said.
On Thursday, UNESCO said it would not undertake new projects this year as it decides how to respond to the funding cutoffs following the move to recognize the Palestinians last month.
The U.S. typically provides one-fifth of the agency’s annual budget – some $80 million, three-quarters of which has not yet been handed over and which will now remain unpaid.
UNESCO protects heritage sites and works to improve literacy, access to schooling for girls and cultural understanding.
November 13th, 2011, 1:27 am
ann said:
Kurdish Leader: We Oppose Foreign Intervention in Syria – 13/11/2011
http://www.rudaw.net/english/news/syria/4142.html
Will the Syrian uprising ignite the Kurdish powder keg? Syria has a sizeable Kurdish population, marginalized by successive military regimes that have ruled Syria for decades.
It is surprising to see that, while the rest of Syria is torn by violence, the Kurdish populated provinces remain quiet.
“It’s a tactical choice,” say politicians from the Syrian Democratic Union Party, a Kurdish opposition party.
“There is a de facto truce between the Kurds and the government. The security forces are overstretched over Syria’s Arab provinces to face demonstrators, and cannot afford the opening of a second front in Syrian Kurdistan. On our side, we need the army to stay away. Our party is busy establishing organizations, committees, able to take over from the Baath administration the moment the regime collapses.” said one PYD leader.
To enforce this truce, their cells in Afrin and Kobane stopped some Kurdish activists from organizing demonstrations. They claim that all their efforts are about maintaining calm to avoid a bloodbath.
Syrian Kurdish leaders have advised the Kurdish youth to remain peaceful. They argue that an open confrontation with the regime would be disastrous.
“Our people would become military target, not only for the army but also for some militias made of Arab settlers present in our provinces,” said Muslim. “The demonstrations would turn into an ethnic conflict that the government would use to its own advantage.”
Syrian Kurdish leaders are skeptical about the Syrian opposition that met several times since the unrest started in Syria in March. The Kurds say the Arab parties do not recognize the rights of the Kurdish population of Syria.
“Amongst the Arab opposition, some groups do not accept us Kurds as equal citizens. They want to keep Syria an Arab homeland, where minorities are kept in a state of submission,” said Muslim. “We need to build our strength to be able to deal with them on an equal basis at the fall of the regime.”
Turkey’s Islamic government, the Justice and Development Party (AKP) has been a major supporter of the Syrian opposition. Some observers believe that Turkey does not want the Kurds of Syria to have any role in the future of that country.
Some observers believe that Turkey was unsettled when tens of thousands of Kurds poured onto the streets of the Kurdish city of Qamishli following the assassination of Mishaal Tamo, the leader of the Kurdish Future Movement by unknown gunmen last month.
Some of Syria’s Kurdish parties have links with Turkey’s nemesis—Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) that has been engaged in a bloody war against the Turkish state for the past three decades. In the meantime there are many Syrian Kurds in the ranks of the PKK.
But Zuhat Kobani, a leader of the PYD that has close links with the PKK said, “It is not in our agenda, and it would be very difficult from a practical point of view. We do not avoid a confrontation with the Syrian army only to get one with the Turks.”
Meanwhile, the Syrian Kurdish opposition is skeptical of Turkey’s intimate involvement with the Syrian Arab opposition.
A high-ranking PYD leader said, “We want change. But it must come from the Syrians, and be for the Syrians.
It must not come from any external power willing to make Syria a satellite state. The PYD so opposes any foreign intervention in Syria.”
November 13th, 2011, 1:42 am
ann said:
‘Gaddafi couldn’t kill more people than NATO did’ – Syrian deputy FM
13 November, 2011
http://rt.com/news/syria-religious-extremists-finance-007/print/
Even if Gaddafi had lived for another 100 years, he could not have killed even a fraction of the number obliterated by NATO during its intervention in Libya, claims Syria’s deputy Foreign Minister, Faisal al-Mikdad, in an exclusive interview with RT.
The top Syrian diplomat recalled that NATO’s aggression against Libya was carried out under the guise of restoring human rights and protecting civilians.
‘They send money to kill Syrians’
Syria’s deputy FM has demanded that the countries financially and militarily supporting armed religious extremists on his country’s soil assume responsibility for financing terrorism.
Faisal al-Mikdad acknowledges that terrorist groups within Syria are being financed in an unofficial way by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Jordan, and he has appealed to the people of these countries not to support such activities.
“Our appeal to our brothers and sisters in all those countries is not to allow that, because under the UN this is called ‘financing of terrorism’. They send money to kill Syrians. And I believe this should be stopped,” explains al-Mikdad.
Soldiers’ deaths disregarded
The senior diplomat’s comments come as the UN human rights chief warned that Syria is very close to a Libya-style situation, where an uprising against a long-standing leader morphed into a civil war.
Syrian human rights organizations and the UN say that 3,500 people have died in the anti-government protests since their start eight months ago.
However, Syria’s deputy FM Faisal al-Mikdad has cast doubt on the wisdom of the West’s approach to the crisis in his country.
“The credibility of some international non-governmental organizations has been lost because they do not take into consideration what is really happening [in Syria]. Not one of these organizations has mentioned that Syria has lost more than 1,150 martyrs from the army and security forces,” the deputy FM says.
Extremists shoot civilians to keep show on road
He confirms that many civilians have been assassinated in the unrest, but “people have to ask the questions, who killed them and why were they killed?”
Faisal al-Mikdad says that criminals detained by police confessed to shooting at peaceful demonstrators and killing them, “to keep the pace of demonstrations going on.”
The deputy FM denies that Syria is in a state of civil war but stresses that those provoking the unrest aim to push the country into civil conflict. Syrian society is very complex, and as Faisal al-Mikdad put it, “we have something from everything.”
Syria historically has three monotheistic religions, with lots of denominations in each one of them. Those well-organized and equipped foreign religious extremists who instigate violence need the people of Syria to fight each other, admits Faisal al-Mikdad.
The Deputy FM stresses that billions of dollars and tens of thousands of small arms have been smuggled into Syria from Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and other neighboring countries to encourage people to incite disturbances in the country.
Faisal al-Mikdad assures that among the armed protestors there are no civilians fighting for a better life but only radical Islamists, and that the peaceful opposition has been officially recognized by the Syrian government and its views taken into account in order to work together to build a new Syria.
‘We did not expect such violence’
The deputy Syrian FM recognizes that mistakes have been made and time lost in reforming the political landscape within the country.
“These are realities, we have to accept them,” Faisal al-Mikdad says. “What we did not expect was that things would develop in such a violent way that contradicts the spirit of the Syrian people,” he confesses, stressing that social media has not been banned in the country despite the apparently negative role it played in the unrest.
Faisal al-Mikdad insists that all talk of a conflict of the ruling Alawite minority and the Sunni majority is misleading and aimed at disintegration of the country, as every Syrian citizen, despite his religion or nationality, has the right to occupy any official position.
“In Syria we have a political system that defends the sovereignty of the country,” he says.
“In Syria we are under such an attack because we say no to the policies of the US in the region, supporting the subjugation of the region to their interests and serving the major interests of Israel,” proclaims the Syrian deputy FM.
He believes that NATO has not intervened in Syria because the whole region opposes it, after seeing Gaddafi’s Libya bombed out.
The majority of the UN Security Council is against aggression in Syria, with Russia and China even using their veto right to block a Western resolution designed to slap tougher sanctions on Damascus.
“If they [the West] manipulate the situation in the Middle East – they will do it everywhere in the world.”
November 13th, 2011, 2:00 am
ann said:
Cain: Obama ‘on the wrong side’ of Arab Spring – 2011-11-13
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1757472
Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain says President Barack Obama has been on the wrong side of nearly every situation in the Arab world and the United States has mishandled the uprisings in the region.
Other Republicans, too, were tough on Obama’s handing of Libya, Egypt and Yemen during Saturday night’s debate on foreign policy. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says the United States wrongly dumped overnight an ally in Syria, while Mitt Romney says it is time for the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad to end.
Rep. Ron Paul of Texas says it would be wrong for the United States to take active stands in the region. He says it’s up to each country to determine its future.
November 13th, 2011, 2:02 am
ann said:
Arab League suspends Syria; imposes sanctions – 13.11.11
Syria’s representative at the Arab League said the decision was ‘not worth the ink it was written with.’
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/arab-league-suspends-syria-imposes-sanctions-1.395212
On Saturday, the Arab League suspended Syria and called on its army to stop killing civilians in a surprise move that turned up the heat on President Bashar Assad.
At a meeting in Cairo, the League said it will impose economic and political sanctions on Syria’s government and has appealed to member states to withdraw their ambassadors. It will also call a meeting of Syrian opposition parties.
“We were criticized for taking a long time but this was out of our concern for Syria,” Qatar’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani told reporters at the League’s headquarters in Cairo. “We needed to have a majority to approve those decisions.”
Syria’s representative at the Arab League said the decision was “not worth the ink it was written with.”
U.S. President Barack Obama praised the League’s decision. and France said it was time for international bodies to take more action.
“After the Assad regime flagrantly failed to keep its commitments, the Arab League has demonstrated leadership in its effort to end the crisis and hold the Syrian government accountable,” Obama said in a statement. “These significant steps expose the increasing diplomatic isolation of a regime that has systematically violated human rights and repressed peaceful protests.”
Syria’s suspension is seen as an invitation for Western states and the United Nations Security Council to step up efforts to intervene and stop the violence, despite Russia and China’s objection to imposing sanctions on Syria.
After the Arab League reached a cease fire agreement between the Syrian regime and the opposition, the League’s unequivocal statement now makes it clear there are no chances of reaching an agreement between Bashar Assad’s opponents and his supporters.
Fifteen Syrians were killed in various shooting incidents on Saturday, most of them in an attack by deserters from the Syrian army on a bus filled with officers in the northwest of the country.
On Friday, 23 people were killed in Syria, most of them during demonstrations in Homs, which has been under prolonged military attack at the hands of Assad’s supporters.
Saudi Arabia and a number of Gulf states like Qatar, Oman and Bahrain are apparently behind the League’s move.
These states see the fighting in Syria as part of a covert war with Iran over the Middle East’s future.
“We are calling all Syrian opposition parties to a meeting at the Arab League headquarters to agree a unified vision for the transitional period,” said Hamad, who is also Qatar’s foreign minister.
“This gives a lot of strength to the position of the Syrian National Council. This is now an Arab position,” said Basma Qadmani, a member of the executive committee of the Syrian National Council, the most prominent opposition group.
“This step introduces a possibility of foreign intervention and opens the door for engaging the international community in the case,” said Nabil Abdel Fattah, a political analyst at the Al-Ahram Centre for Political and Strategic Studies in Cairo.
Hamad raised the possibility that the Arab League may ask the United Nations to help protect Syrians.
“If the violence and killing doesn’t stop, the secretary general will call on international organizations dealing with human rights, including the United Nations,” he said.
November 13th, 2011, 2:08 am
Uzair8 said:
Seems like someone’s Hajj prayer was accepted.
Who changed the hearts of the members of the supposedly useless AL?
The regime’s sins have come back to haunt it. It is drowning and suffocating in the evil of its own hands. Horrific unspeakable evil.
God forgive us and protect us.
November 13th, 2011, 3:56 am
SYR.EXPAT said:
246. UZAIR8
Nice post UZAIR8. Keep them coming.
November 13th, 2011, 4:55 am
SYR.EXPAT said:
It seems that the terrorists running the Syrian regime have miscalculated big time. Let’s see what the next few days bring. One thing for sure, many people in Syria have a good reason to be happy, at least for a few days. The pressure is mounting and news is coming out that high ranking officers are sending their families abroad. Would like to hear confirmation. Also, it seems that more people will be encouraged to defect and join the Free Syrian Army. And to make things worse, one of the Syrian government’s media thugs makes a most blasphemous utterance on Manar TV, a so-called Islamic channel. Let’s see how Hassan Nasr Allah is going to react.
Final call to the supporters of this terrorist regime: the ship is sinking. Jump ship before it’s too late and make sure you prepare your mea culpa. You’ll need it to board the new ship.
November 13th, 2011, 5:11 am
Revlon said:
Cracks are widening in Asad forces.
A recent development is the defection of units commanded by corporals, instead of just officers.
Officer Mohammad ALNa3san of the Military college announces defection and joining of the FSA, along with 10 seargents and soldiers.
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Corporal Ahmad Alyousef of the artillery College announces defection and joining the FSA, along with 9 seargents and soldiers.
Jabal AlZawiyeh, Idleb
12/11/2011
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=VBSe-QlXPj8
A unit of 10 soldiers and officers defect from Asad army and and form the Phalange of Abi AlFidaa to be part of the FSA.
(11.12.2011) Hama | Defection of a group of soldiers – Free Syria
http://www.facebook.com/Syria.Revolution.Intelligence
November 13th, 2011, 5:51 am
louai said:
in respond to the AL prostitution Alepo and Damascuse went to the streets
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RmWVaVPbJks#!
Lattakia – Massive gathering to protest the Arab league decision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7BWXSPRaxrQ
Tartus
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247371671984850&set=a.247370188651665.71557.163129913742360&type=1&theater
Homs
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=228840507182489&set=a.144269402306267.31482.144220648977809&type=1&theater
the terrorists open fire on the president supporters in Homs
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the entire world trying to hide the truth but it dose not matter the Syrians including the opposition know exactly what is the truth and that what it matters
November 13th, 2011, 6:58 am
Mina said:
Egypt rejects any interference in Syrian affairs (why not abstaining during the vote, then?) :
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/514190
November 13th, 2011, 7:17 am
Revlon said:
Air force intelligence colonel Muhammad Hassan Kairout announces his defection – Free Syria
Uploaded by SyrianDaysOfRage on Nov 12, 2011
I, Muhammad Hassan Kairout, colonel indefence forces and of the Shiaa community hereby announce my defection from Asad Army due to the following:
– their crackdown and the use of all sorts of arms against unarmed civilian demostrators.
– their devious efforts to incite sectarian violence.
– giving me the assignment of assassinating several activists
– their preying on the need of the unemployed and poor youth to recruit them to quell demonstrations in return for instant payments.
– I urge the Shiaa and Alawi communities to sober up; The regime is bent on inciting seeds of sectarian conflict.
– In urge Bashar to learn the lessons of Giddafi and his son’s fate. He who does not learn from other’s mistakes shall duely learn from his own.
November 13th, 2011, 7:18 am
louai said:
Damascus 7 lakes square today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zsm-myI69OY#!
protesting against the AL action
November 13th, 2011, 7:19 am
Revlon said:
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Arab governments ponder a Turkish no-fly-zone,
Defections in Dar3a and Rastan,
General Commission of the revolution is working on promoting a country wide disobediance,
UN ready to shoulder the responsibility of protecting civilians.
2011/11/13
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http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=37937
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November 13th, 2011, 7:24 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Tara said #218
“…You always admired the Syrian regime because it championed the Arab causes, from supporting the resistance to opening its borders to Arab refugee, etc. I did too.. in the past”.
What is the “Arab causes”? does such a thing really exist?
So far, the “Arab causes” is being used as a tool to oppress some, and to gain power by deception:
HA is using the “Arab causes” (muqawama against Israel) to keep it’s arms and maintain it’s state within a state.
Sudan is using the “Arab causes” to commit genocide in Darfour and in the south.
Syria is using the “Arab causes” to preserve and promote it’s criminal junta.
And so on.
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The “Arab causes” was never a tool used to improve the lives of commoner Arabs. Was it?
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November 13th, 2011, 7:36 am
Mina said:
Media war for the Western dummies (continued):
In today’s twelve o’clock journal, French public radio “France Culture” mentions the dispute over US Deparment call to the Syrians “not to surrender to the authorities” last week, instead of “not to bring their weapons”…
In UAE’s The National, a picture where the banned has (in Arabic) the date 26th August, is given as from last Friday (“In this citizen journalism image provided by Shaam New Network…Edlib province, on Friday” just bring the cursor on the picture to see this title.
So in the UAE too they don’t speak Arabic anymore?
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/some-fear-war-foreign-intervention-in-syria
Two other articles today in The National:
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/arab-league-suspends-syria-and-threatens-sanctions
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/aleppo-merchants-abandon-a-regime-that-fails-on-stability
November 13th, 2011, 7:55 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
What do they try to prove with this mnhebak demonstration in 7 seas square?
That the regime has a power base? We know that they have a power base.
A power base, based on fear: Christian, Alawi and other minorities fear of change.
State employees, fear their jobs.
Military personnel, fear their positions and retirement pensions.
Other beneficiaries, who fear their benefits.
This is a criminal power base, which is fear driven, and who tries to impose and dictate the terms.
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November 13th, 2011, 8:10 am
Mina said:
So on one side, the Syrian police and army should stop beating protesters, but on the other side, they should have protected the emptied Qatar, Saudi and French embassies and consulates?
Remember the Danish cartoons? Even then the police did not even know how to stop the violent protesters.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4681294.stm
Still, that this violence is exacerbated by the Syrian failed “political” system makes no doubt, so why not publishing whatever they have on the “friendly” governements, including the pictures of the 40 bodies found mutilated in Homs last week which Ahmad Yousef alluded to in his press conference? At least this is the way Western governments fight each other, they leak something here and there.
They are all betting against time unfortunately. It is bluff for everybody: the US, the EU, who are bankrupt and whose opinions will never accept again that they go to war simply because they are paid for it by Kuwait, KSA, or this time Qatar; but also Israel, who needs Iran to shoot first, and then of course, the Syrian governement, squized between Israel and Iran.
November 13th, 2011, 8:11 am
irritated said:
#255 Amir in Tel Aviv
The Arab causes? Did you ever hear about a cancer called Israel?
“This is a criminal power base” The Israeli is a viral and racist power base.
November 13th, 2011, 8:11 am
Norman said:
Vice president Biden is going to Iraq to lure them away from Syria and to break relation between Syria and Iraq,
Does anybody have any doubt on what the goal here, It is the destruction of Syria.
Ann,
Sudan is under the US influence , She is protecting AL Bashir,
So Sudan will do what the US want and the US wants a new regime in Syria ,
November 13th, 2011, 8:19 am
irritated said:
#225 Sheila
“Hint: your choice will have high correlation with your IQ level).”‘
With this hint, you really show what is your own IQ level.
November 13th, 2011, 8:20 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Irritated #259,
This is exactly my point. There’s no “Arab cause”. There’s the “Israeli cause”.
The Arabs always defined themselves through and by Israel.
Or more accurately: Arab despots and beneficiaries always propagated the idea, that Israel is the cause of all of the misery in Arabia (aka the “Arab cause”). They did it (and still do) in order to preserve their benefits.
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November 13th, 2011, 8:22 am
zoo said:
Syria Arab League suspension unacceptable: Iraq
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27306
BAGHDAD, (AFP) — Iraq on Sunday slammed the Arab League’s decision to suspend Syria as unacceptable while also calling on Damascus to open dialogue with the opposition.
“Suspending Syria’s membership in the Arab League came in an unacceptable way,” Iraq government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said on Iraqiya television.
Iraq was the only country to abstain from the Saturday vote to suspend Syria’s membership in the Arab League over its crackdown on dissent which has left more than 3,500 people dead, according to UN figures.
Eighteen countries voted in favour of Syria’s suspension from the pan-Arab body while Yemen, Lebanon and Syria voted against the decision.
“This decision was not taken against other countries that have bigger crisis than the Syrian crisis,” said Dabbagh.
Libya is the only other country that has been suspended from the regional bloc since a wave of pro-reform protests swept across the Arab world this year.
“The stability and security of Syria is important to Iraq, and the Iraqi government has called its Syrian counterpart to dialogue with the opposition, and to carry out the requested reforms.
“We want complete freedom for (Syrians), but not in this forced way that moves the Syrian issue … to internationalisation,” he said. “This issue is very dangerous.”
November 13th, 2011, 8:25 am
Mina said:
260 Norman
I read in some links posted here about a week ago that Sudan has sent troops to Lybia under the command of Qatar just a few months ago.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8611199/Sudanese-army-seizes-southern-Libyan-town.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/279049/sudanese-libya-john-rosenthal
November 13th, 2011, 8:26 am
Norman said:
Mina,
Money corrupts and there is a lot of money in the Gulf states, and the poor Arab states are for sale with their corrupt leaders.
So the people with money and their protectorate the US are leading the destruction of Syria ,
in days like these i long for president Hafiz Assad to show them what they deserve.
November 13th, 2011, 8:33 am
zoo said:
Hassan Abdel Azim: “As to the accusation against the United States, it is out of place and there is no evidence of it.”
“( we ask for the) presence of civilian observers from the AL, United Nations, and Arab and regional human rights organizations to confirm the peacefulness of the revolution and the non-existence of armed gangs.”
A talk with Syrian Oppositionist Hassan Abdel Azim
12/11/2011 By Sawsan Abu-Husain
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=3&id=27293
Cairo, Asharq Al-Awsat- Hassan Abdel Azim, general coordinator of the National and Democratic Forces Committee for Change in Syria, was able to meet with Arab League [AL] Secretary General Nabil el-Araby and avoided by pure chance the protesters’ attack on the Syrian opposition delegation outside the AL premises.
In an exclusive interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Abdel Azim stressed that the Committee rejects the suspension of Syria’s AL membership and the imposition of a no fly zone because these tools would be seen as the main route to foreign intervention and hence the destruction of Syria like it happened in Libya, adding “we believe that the people and not the deposed regime will pay the price for the destruction.”
Following is the text of the interview:
[Asharq Al-Awsat] In your opinion, is the Arab initiative capable of resolving the Syrian crisis?
[Abdel Azim] We are wagering on the steadfastness of the Syrian people’s uprising which enters its ninth month maintaining its peacefulness despite the regime’s talk about taking up arms. This is not true. We also believe that internal steadfastness constitutes a principal factor for avoiding being dragged into taking up arms, violence, and doctrinal and sectarian conflicts. The Arab role that was embodied in the Arab initiative is what we want, that is, the withdrawal of all weapons from Syrian cities and village, allowing peaceful demonstrations, the release of detainees, and the opening of doors for Arab, regional, and international observers to confirm there is no armed opposition as the regime is claiming. We are at the same time watching the extent of the response to the Arab papers and statements issued by the Arab foreign ministers and therefore the right environment for the political process under the AL’s supervision and the action mechanisms such as the presence of civilian observers from the AL, United Nations, and Arab and regional human rights organizations to confirm the peacefulness of the revolution and the non-existence of armed gangs.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] The AL is saying that all the options are on the table. Why are you rejecting the membership suspension and imposition of a no fly zone?
[Abdel Azim] Because this means foreign intervention which we believe it is like the internal tyranny. We are committed to the Arab solution.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] What if the Arab solution fails?
[Abdel Azim] We have the steadfastness of the uprising and the Arab and international pressures as well as action to dismantle the regime by the peaceful revolution.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] Some believe the Arab initiative has failed and that the Arab solution means more martyrs and wounded.
[Abdel Azim] The Arab initiative has a chance and needs action mechanisms to pressure the regime, expose the facts on the ground, release the detainees, allow peaceful demonstration, and provide solutions aimed at protecting the civilians.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] Is the uprising inside the country capable of bringing down the regime?
[Abdel Azim] Certainly, and we have an example in the peaceful Yemeni revolution that has entered its 10th month without the people using weapons, though weapons in Yemen are available in all houses and streets.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] What happened to you outside the AL premises and the demonstrators’ refusal to talk about the revolution in the dialogue with the AL?
[Abdel Azim] The National Coordination Committee delegation had asked to meet the AL secretary general who agreed. But when we arrived at the AL premises, we were surprised by the gathering of Syrian youths carrying clubs and cameras who prevented us from entering. We went to the second door and they moved and attacked us. But I was able to enter the AL premises and meet the secretary general because the youths did not know me. The delegation remained clashing with them until I came out.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] What did you propose to the AL secretary general?
[Abdel Azim] I presented our vision for resolving the crisis and the need to adhere to the Arab solution. I demanded protection for the Syrian people through international observers and the opening of mechanisms for the media.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] Did the Committee meet officials from Al-Assad’s regime to receive instructions as the demonstrators had accused you in front of the AL premises?
[Abdel Azim] We in the National Coordination Committee represent 15 parties and have an honourable history of struggle. We represent parties and national figures and have been struggling against tyranny inside and against corruption since the mid-1960’s to this day. At the same time, we reject foreign intervention which threatens the Syrian state and national unity but back the provision of all kinds of protection.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] What are you demanding from the Arab foreign ministers at their meeting?
[Abdel Azim] We demand from them to continue to work with us. We must benefit from the revolutionary state through which the region is passing before we move to internationalization. The AL too is in a revolutionary state that is better than the past. We repeat for the umpteenth time we want the Arab solution and allowing the Syrian people to express freely. They are capable of bringing down the regime.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] Is it better to freeze Syria’s membership as the Syrian people are demanding?
[Abdel Azim] We are committed to an essential role for the AL to pressure the regime and force it to implement the Arab initiative. The AL can declare what it wants when the regime refuses. We trust its role.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] What are you expecting and what is your assessment of the situations in Syria?
[Abdel Azim] We will triumph thanks to the uprising of the Syrian people and the Arab role supporting us. We will reach the comprehensive change and not reform and patching up the present regime. We will not accept any partial reforms but want comprehensive change and a democratic national system through elections that meets the Syrian people’s demands and leads to the regime’s departure. We are neither exclusionists nor totalitarians but want a democratic experience where everyone rules. We have parties whose hands are not covered in blood and corruption. We are hoping to have a pluralistic, parliamentary, and democratic state and a new system that satisfies all the aspirations of the Syrian people who are the architect and source of all authorities. [Asharq Al-Awsat] How do you see the Syrian regime’s accusations that the United States is involved in Syria’s events?
[Abdel Azim] The Syrian regime will not last under the internal, Arab, and regional pressure through Turkey and other countries. Even the corrupt’s allies in Russia, China, South Africa, and Brazil are demanding from Al-Assad to comply. As to the accusation against the United States, it is out of place and there is no evidence of it.
[Asharq Al-Awsat] Will the Syrian people remain in the street for a long time? When will they get their rights?
[Abdel Azim] It is not going to be much longer and the change in Syria is coming. It can be said that we are getting close to ending the tyranny and bringing down the regime.
November 13th, 2011, 8:36 am
irritated said:
#262 Amir In Tel Aviv
You’re are right. Let Israel move back the millions of Palestinians they have kicked out from their homes like dogs and who are living in Arab countries in desperate conditions and who are resorting to violence to get back their stolen land, then there will no major Arab cause anymore…
November 13th, 2011, 8:42 am
Mina said:
Media manipulation for dummies (continued)
The article posted by ZOO just above, very subtle specimen:
the date, before yesterday’s vote, but some people will read it as from after the vote, thinking it shows how the opposition is mild and ready for concessions and opposes the suspension from the AL (actually, it is possible that the reason the opposition was not allowed to see al Arabi – as if they could not meet somewhere else and later – is precisely because the opposition was too mild);
the sentence “avoided by pure chance the protesters’ attack on the Syrian opposition delegation outside the AL premises.” in the introduction, which makes the reader believe that it is the usual crowd of pro-Syrian governement which has attacked the opposition delegation.
November 13th, 2011, 8:47 am
zoo said:
Turkey evacuates embassy officials’ families in Damascus following attack
Sunday, November 13, 2011 ISTANBUL- Hürriyet Daily News
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-says-crowds-attack-its-syrian-embassy-2011-11-13
Syrians protest outside the Qatari Embassy in Damascus on November 12, 2011, hours after a statement, read by Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassem Al-Thani, said the Arab League had decided “to suspend Syrian delegations’ activities in Arab League meetings” and to implement “economic and political sanctions” against Damascus. AFP Photo
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Turkey has decided to evacuate the families of the embassy oficials in Damascus while the ambassodar is set to remain in the city, CNN Turk channel reported.
A crowd of around a thousand attacked the Turkish embassy in Damascus on Saturday evening, throwing stones and bottles before Syrian police intervened to break up the protest, Turkey’s state-run Anatolian news agency said on Sunday.
Attacks were also staged against Turkey’s consulate in Aleppo and its honorary consulate in Latakia, the agency reported Turkish embassy officials in Damascus as saying.
The attacks took place hours after the Arab League suspended Syria for failing to carry out a promise to halt its armed crackdown on eight-month-old pro-democracy demonstrations and open a dialogue with its opponents.
On Saturday evening, residents in Syria said crowds armed with sticks and knives attacked the Saudi Arabian embassy in Damascus and the French and Turkish consulates in Latakia after the Arab League suspended Syria.
They said hundreds of men shouting slogans in support of President Bashar al-Assad beat a guard and broke into the Saudi embassy in Abu Rummaneh, three blocks away from Assad’s offices in one of the most heavily policed areas of the capital.
Outside the Turkish embassy, protesters chanted anti-Turkey slogans, tried to climb the walls and force the gates open. Syrian police intervened using teargas to break up the protest as the demonstrators threw stones and bottles, Anatolian said.
After cultivating ties with Assad and Syria for several years, Turkey has this year robustly condemned the repression of peaceful protests, fearing Syrian violence could spill over the border if it develops a stronger ethnic or sectarian dimension.
Syrian opposition figures have met in Istanbul to forge a united front, the Syrian National Council. Turkey has also given sanctuary to Syrian military officers who have defected.
In Aleppo, demonstrators entered the consulate garden and tried to lower the Turkish flag but were prevented from doing so by consulate officials.
A group of some 5,000 gathered outside the Turkish honorary consulate in Latakia, 330 km (210 miles) north of Damascus on the Mediterranean coast, and broke windows. The officials said a Turkish flag was burned at this protest, Anatolian said.
No officials at the Turkish diplomatic missions were injured in the protests, it added.
November 13th, 2011, 8:49 am
Shami said:
Dear Norman ,you keep repeating that we are in danger to see Syria divided in mini sectarian states,who are those minorities who want such thing?
You and your dying God can not be right ,a nusayristan for example will not exist for the all obvious facts that you can not ignore ,an attempt in this direction would end in a massive suicide for those who called for such a state.
Also , the statues of hafez are an insult to your dignity ,for this reason our people are going to topple all of them ,even inside qurdaha,syrian history in the end is independant of the wishes of the Makhlouf,Asad,Shaleesh…
Alex ,are you still in love with imad mustafa ?
What will be your stance after assad-makhlouf regime end ?
November 13th, 2011, 8:50 am
zoo said:
Millions of Syrians nationwide rally against the Arab League
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/13/c_131244294.htm
DAMASCUS, Nov.13 (Xinhua) — Millions of Syrians on Sunday thronged main squares and streets in various Syrian cities to lend support to their embattled President Bashar al-Assad and to express discontent with the Arab League (AL) decision to suspend Syria’s membership.
In the capital of Damascus, hundreds of thousands flocked the Saba Bahrat Square, either came on foot or using public transport such as by bus. It looks as if the whole city was out on the streets on Sunday.
Some people waved Syrian flags along with Assad’s posters and shouted slogans such as “God, Syria and Bashar only,” while others carried banners, some of which read “down with the Hebrew League,” referring to the AL, accusing it of acting out a Western and Israeli conspiracy against Syria.
The nationwide raucous rallies came a day after the AL decided to suspend the activities of Syrian delegation in the pan-Arab body.
…
The international community along with some opposition activists welcomed the resolution. United Nations (UN) chief Ban Ki-moon on Saturday voiced support to the resolution, urging Damascus to heed the AL call to “stop violence” and “implement the work plan fully and speedily.”
U.S. President Barack Obama praised the League’s move, and France said it was time for international bodies to take more action against Syrian government.
An hour after the League’s decision, angry rallies swept across Syria to express resentment with the AL stance.
The rowdy crowds pelted the Qatari embassy in Damascus with eggs and tomatoes and shouted obscenities at Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jasim al-Thani, who headed the AL emergency session on Saturday.
Protestors reportedly stormed the Saudi embassy, which is located near the Qatari one, to bring down the Saudi flag.
Meanwhile, Syria’s official media blasted the AL decision and confirmed that the country is still capable of encountering the challenges and even of emerging stronger.
The Arab decision was also slammed by some opposition figures inside Syria, such as Mohammad Habash, a parliamentarian who heads the Third Way movement that gathers around 40 politicians and intellectuals. Habash said in a statement that the AL has ” deviated from its charter and internal system” by suspending Syria ‘s membership.
Syrian Ambassador to the AL Yusuf Ahmad said on Saturday that the AL’s latest decision came in contravention to the AL principles, accusing the AL of acting out a foreign agenda by applying such decision.
The Syrian opposition abroad has recently called on the AL to suspend Syria’s membership and to back sanctions against those responsible for human rights abuses in the country.
November 13th, 2011, 8:55 am
Tara said:
Zoo
The attacks on Arab and foreign embassies reflect a great sense of defeat, humiliation, and incivility by the regime. Don’t you think?
November 13th, 2011, 9:03 am
irritated said:
#270 Shami
“Who are those minorities who want such thing?” ( divide Syria)
The pygmies
November 13th, 2011, 9:07 am
zoo said:
Tara #272
Maybe more of a justified outrage at Qatar to have pressured the AL members to blatantly violate the Arab League charter.
The protesters have not attacked other Arab embassies
November 13th, 2011, 9:45 am
zoo said:
“The time to seriously think through the military option in Syria is now.”
What a Syrian Civil War Means for the U.S.
Bilal Y. Saab November 9, 2011
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/what-syrian-civil-war-means-the-us-6138
According to the United Nations, the death toll in Syria has exceeded three thousand people, roughly one-third of which the Syrian government claims are its own security forces.
If you take that number in isolation, it already has tripled the one thousand deaths per year that is used by most academic scholars as an indicator of civil war. And we still have five months to go before we reach the one-year mark.
So is it time for us to view and treat the domestic unrest in Syria as a civil war?
{…}
November 13th, 2011, 9:55 am
zoo said:
Syria calls for emergency Arab summit to handle the Syrian crisis
2011-11-13 20:44:59
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/13/c_131244340.htm
DAMASCUS, Nov.13 (Xinhua) — An official source has called for convening an emergency Arab summit to handle the Syrian crisis and review its “negative repercussions on the Arab situation.”
In a statement carried by Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA), the source said Syria is welcoming a visit by the Arab ministerial committee to Syria before Nov 16.
It said Syria, which has approved an Arab plan on Nov 12, “is still regarding this plan as a suitable framework to handle the Syrian crisis away from any foreign intervention,” despite the fact that this plan lacks the practical mechanisms agreed upon between Syrian government and the Arab committee to implement it.
The source said “due to the repercussions of the Syrian crisis that might affect the national security and inflict gross damage with the common Arab action, the Syrian leadership is calling for an emergency Arab summit.”
It added that Syria is welcoming a visit by the Arab committee to be accompanied by what it considers suitable of civil and military experts from the committee’s member countries, along with Arab journalists to directly get familiar with what is happening on the ground and supervise the implementation of the Arab plan.
November 13th, 2011, 9:58 am
Tara said:
They attacked Turkey and KSA ones. No?
Diplomatic missions should be protected nevertheless. Government can sever diplomatic relationships if they want yet they still need to protect embassies and their staff. This is a universal understanding that should be respected.
November 13th, 2011, 9:59 am
majedkhaldoun said:
AlArabiya said a high ranking syrian official has called for Arab summit to discuss syrian crisis.Is it possible? and where would they hold it?can Bashar leave Damascus?
The meeting in Morroco in Rabat,will include Turkish FM,this will follow AL meeting with SNC and NCC in preparation to recognise them as the legitimate representative of Syria.
The demonstrations in Sabe3 bahrat followed the security forces confiscated I D Cards from people using minibuses and told them they will get it after going there.
November 13th, 2011, 10:26 am
Ghufran said:
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November 13th, 2011, 10:43 am
irritated said:
Among the Arab countries who voters to suspend Syria from the Arab League: Palestine
Palestinians should not live in a country that does not belong to the Arab League. Some richer Arab country should welcome all the Palestinians that have been benefiting from the generosity of Syria for decades. Expelled from the Arab League and under economical sanctions, Syria cannot afford to keep them.
Where is Qatar Airways?
November 13th, 2011, 10:50 am
irritated said:
#278 Majedalkhaldoon
“and where would they hold it?can Bashar leave Damascus?”
In a Arab country freed from the hyenas: Iraq
November 13th, 2011, 10:52 am
Revlon said:
Colonel in Republican Guard, Ghassan Hlaihel defected from Asad army and joined the FSA.
13/11/2011
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November 13th, 2011, 11:01 am
Ghufran said:
I have to admit that my circle of relatives and friends will never pass the litmus test of the pro regime crowd,in that sense I am not neutral,but I still see that Syria’s main problem is the Assad family and the regime as a whole. As for Arabs,I quit on them a long time ago and I was always suspicious of Turkey and Iran and never trusted NATO.
As you can see I may not pass any loyalty test because I care about one thing:
The average Syrian.I want to be able to visit Syria and call relatives without asking ten questions about how they manage their finance and whether they are safe or not.
Syria will always be the center of conspiracies and power struggle,it is a special country with a lot of potential and a lot if challenges. It may be politically naive to say this but we all can get out of this if we love Syria more than the regime,our sheikhs and our own urge to get even.
November 13th, 2011, 11:02 am
bronco said:
#277 Tara
Don’t you think the Charter of the Arab League and a country sovereignty should be respected too?
Turkey threatening to eat up a piece of Syria to store weapons to be used against a sovereign country is in line with international laws?
Why anyone would respect other international laws if these are violated under the eyes of the UN?
November 13th, 2011, 11:06 am
ann said:
Algeria not to withdraw ambassador from Syria: FM – 2011-11-13
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.asp?id=30312
ALGIERS, Nov.13 (Xinhua) — Algeria will not recall its ambassador to Syria, Algerian Foreign Minister Mourad Medelci said Sunday.
“The ambassador of Algeria to Syria and the Syrian ambassador to Algeria are still welcome and will continue working fraternally and as positively as possible,” Medelci said at a joint press conference held in Algiers with his Egyptian counterpart Mohammed Kamel Amr.
“There’s no question for Algeria to implement the Arab League decision (related to the withdrawal of Arab ambassadors in Syria), which permit each country to take its own decision supremely,” Local APS news agency quoted Medelci as saying.
Algeria has already made its decision, as it will not recall its ambassador to Damascus, Medelci added.
“On the contrary, more than ever before, the time being requires to reinforce relations with the Syrian government to put into effect concretely the peace plan which we adopted on Nov. 2 in the Arab League,” the foreign minister stressed.
The Arab League (AL) on Saturday decided to suspend the activities of Syrian delegation in the pan-Arab body.
The suspension will take effect on Wednesday, Nov. 16, Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jasim al-Thani said in an official statement released after an emergency meeting of Arab foreign ministers in the Egyptian capital of Cairo, where the AL headquarters is.
Meanwhile, the AL statement called for its members to withdraw their ambassadors in Syria and urged sanctions on Damascus until a peace plan it brokered is implemented.
November 13th, 2011, 11:07 am
newfolder said:
#280
hahahahah, did you see that? nizam el momana3a, the champion of Arab rights wants to kick the Palestinians out of Syria because their leaders didn’t support Bisho and his killing machine …
hahahah, OMG can’t get more comical than these minhibakji idiots. Hey I have an idea, why don’t you change your cliche from Arab Nationalism to Slavic nationalism? And side with the Russian issues as they seem the only ones prepared to put up with your homicidal regime.
November 13th, 2011, 11:12 am
jad said:
As expected, Turkey starting the ‘humanitarian’ work:
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http://www.aldiyaronline.com/index.php/aldiyar-topic-article/184/10875
November 13th, 2011, 11:13 am
Ghufran said:
Irritated and other friends,
I never liked the policy of allowing Arabs to get into Syria without a visa,and I realized since 1974 or before that pan Arabism is an empty slogan. Egyptian friends share the same sentiment about Palestinians in Egypt,but as the son of a Palestinian mother who was more syrian than many syrians,I assure you that many Palestinians in syria are as angry as you about Abbas vote,he is part of the corrupt leaderships that plague the Arab world.
Syria’s generous positions regarding Arab refugees never paid off.
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November 13th, 2011, 11:14 am
irritated said:
Newfolder #286
That vote and threats of Arab sanctions on an Arab country has killed Arab nationalism with all its consequences.
Bear them with a laugh!
November 13th, 2011, 11:18 am
Revlon said:
Staged, pro-Asad demonstration in Deir Azzor suddenly turned anti-Asad, prepitating frenzied random shooting by puzzled, onlooking Asad militia!
13/11/2011
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November 13th, 2011, 11:21 am
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November 13th, 2011, 11:25 am
irritated said:
Ghufran #288
I haven’t heard the voices of the Palestinians in Syria.
If they remain silent, it means they are accomplice to that stabbing in the back of a country that has been more generous to them than any Arab country.
At least the Iraqis had the decency to abstained.
I am sure that after that event, many Syrians are going to look suspiciously at the Palestinians living in Syria.
Ungratefulness and treason are unforgivable.
November 13th, 2011, 11:27 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
I LOVE THE ARAB SPRING !
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November 13th, 2011, 11:29 am
jad said:
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November 13th, 2011, 11:32 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Ghufran said
but as the son of a Palestinian mother who was more syrian than many syrians,
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I would add, those whose statement does not make any sense.
November 13th, 2011, 11:37 am
Ghufran said:
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November 13th, 2011, 11:38 am
ann said:
293. racist amir from apartheid tel aviv said:
I LOVE THE ARAB SPRING !
A love shared by al qaeda islamist terrorist errand boys
November 13th, 2011, 11:38 am
bronco said:
#287 Jad
If a single centimeter of Syria is invaded by Turkey, the fight back will be ferocious and I expect the syrian Kurds to participate in fighting the Turkish invaders.
No Syrian should allow Turkey to put its foot in Syria under any pretext.
November 13th, 2011, 11:40 am
newfolder said:
#289
Toz feek wa fel Arab nationalism. for 40 years you robbed us and stripped us of our dignity in the name of Arab nationalism. Well guess what, it’s payback time now. So you can go shove your empty slogans up your ass while we take our country back from your homicidal Assad family.
#292 you mean those Palestinians whom the regime sent to be slaughtered at the Golan border? or their family members shot in the refugee camps for protesting against this?
November 13th, 2011, 11:40 am
Ghufran said:
Majed,
I am sorry you had difficulty reading my post. I hope this is an isolated problem.
November 13th, 2011, 11:40 am
ann said:
Turkish FM to meet Syrian opposition in Ankara – 2011-11-14
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.asp?id=30316
ANKARA, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) — Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu will meet members of the Syrian opposition in the Turkish capital of Ankara Sunday evening, one day after the attacks on Turkish diplomatic missions in Syria, the Turkish foreign ministry said.
“We call on the Syrian government to immediately identify those who are responsible for the attacks and initiate legal proceedings. Turkey expects assurances from the Syrian government to increase security measures to ensure that such incidents do not occur again. Turkey is determined to monitor developments on this issue and it is ready to take any measure it sees necessary,” the ministry said in a statement.
The Turkish foreign ministry summoned the Syrian charge d’ affaires in Ankara earlier Sunday, it said, adding: “These points were conveyed strongly and a diplomatic note was handed over.”
The foreign ministry also advised Turkish citizens to avoid travelling to Syria, Turkish newspaper Hurriyet Daily News reported on its website.
The move came one day after hundreds of Syrian pro-government demonstrators attacked the Turkish embassy and consulates in Syria.
Hundreds of Syrian government supporters attacked the Turkish embassy in Damascus Saturday evening after the Arab League (AL) voted to suspend Syria’s participation in its meetings and impose sanctions against the Syrian government for its alleged crackdown on protesters, Turkish semi-official news agency Anatolia reported.
The Turkish consulates in the Syrian cities of Aleppo and Latakia were also attacked Saturday. No diplomatic staff were hurt in the attacks, according to the report.
In a separate statement on Sunday, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said Turkey had welcomed the AL’s decision to suspend Syria’s activities in the organization and impose sanctions on it.
November 13th, 2011, 11:44 am
Revlon said:
Officer Fayez AlAbdallah of the FSA to demonstrators in AlHuleh:
– The tyrant’s days are numbered.
– We are all Syrians, we ought to stand with, respect, and help each other, whether Alawis, Druz, or Sunnis.
– Carrying arms by civilians or demonstrators is not acceptable
AlHuleh, Homs Governorate.
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November 13th, 2011, 11:47 am
irritated said:
Newfolder #299
Violent and dirty swearing suits you well and it helps.
November 13th, 2011, 12:01 pm
Areal said:
223. bronco said:
Qatar is violating the charter by suspending Syria.
The Arab League charter
Article 18.
The Council of the League may consider any State that is not fulfilling the obligations resulting from this Pact as excluded from the League, by a decision taken by a unanimous vote of all the States except the State referred to.
REALITY
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,LAS,,,3ae6b3ab18,0.html
CHARTER OF THE ARAB LEAGUE
Syria is not excluded from the Arab League,
Syria can no longer participate to the current meeting of the Council of the Arab League.
November 13th, 2011, 12:03 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
ANN’s ation
297. ANN Mentally Dumped:
A love shared by al qaeda islamist terrorist errand boys
What a limitation of imagination that defy’s the imagination of limitation
November 13th, 2011, 12:04 pm
bronco said:
#301 Ann
A better suggestion would be to move the Turkish Embassy in Damascus to Edleb ready to settle in the buffer zone in preparation for the Benghazification of Edleb.
November 13th, 2011, 12:05 pm
Revlon said:
The surviving young man shows the damage to his residence inflicted by shelling and ramsacking of Thug One forces
AlBayadah neighbourhood, Homs Governorate
12/11/2011
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November 13th, 2011, 12:05 pm
Areal said:
PALESTINE STATE
CHARTER OF THE ARAB LEAGUE
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/publisher,LAS,,,3ae6b3ab18,0.html
ANNEX ON PALESTINE
Therefore, the States signatory to the Pact of the Arab League consider that in view of Palestine’s special circumstances, the Council of the League should designate an Arab delegate from Palestine to participate in its work until this country enjoys actual independence.
CONCLUSION
Palestine is a FULL member of UNESCO.
Palestine is still not a FULL member of the Arab League.
November 13th, 2011, 12:06 pm
irritated said:
#305 Hamster
“What a limitation of imagination that defy’s the imagination of limitation ”
Who’s talking! Bold is beautiful!
November 13th, 2011, 12:07 pm
Revlon said:
10 Martyrs fell victims to Asad forces today in Hama city and country side.
AlFatiha upon their souls,
May God bless their families with solace and empower them with patience.
http://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Revolution
13/12/2011
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3 hours ago
November 13th, 2011, 12:09 pm
irritated said:
#308 Areal
“Palestine is still not a FULL member of the Arab League.”
So why was it allowed to vote? Another violation of the Charter?
ALL medias and the AL declaration reported : Syria membership suspended, membership frozen, excluded from the AL etc.. Even the Syrian envoy pointed to the violation.
The ambiguity was never clarified by the AL, why?
November 13th, 2011, 12:11 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
The regime lost its legitimacy when Bashar started killing his own people. When you lose legitimacy, you lose sovereignty. You can’t claim sovereignty when your own people are pleading for international protection against their own government. You just can’t have your cake and eat it too.
I view the attack on embassies as yet another stupidity sanctioned by the regime. Bashar is going to make toppling him a personal vendetta not just to the Syrian people but also to the regional players.
November 13th, 2011, 12:12 pm
jad said:
Dear Bronco,
I agree, if Turkey invaded the Northern border it means a full scale war and I’m guessing that the regime will have no choice but to unleash its full power. Allah Yester!
On another issue; I came to a conclusion that the Syrians are so ‘loving’ people; they are seeing each others split between being ‘Menhebak’ to Basahr under Baath, or ‘Menhebak’ to Ghalyoun under the ‘SNC’, and the war ‘lovers’ crowds are ‘Menhebak’ to Al As’aad under ‘FSA’…isn’t that a real Black Comedy, the whole society is somehow ‘menhebkjiye’, and all of them want to kill for ‘LOVE’
November 13th, 2011, 12:13 pm
Revlon said:
A sample of the staged pro-Asad demonstrations in Hama:
Students of schools and university, private shop owners, as well as employees of public sector were routed to march so they can be videoed as pro-Asad marches.
The result: most turned anti-Asad and received the attention of the savage Shabbeeha.
The Syrian Revolution 2011 ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????
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3 hours ago ·
November 13th, 2011, 12:18 pm
bronco said:
#312 Tara
I thought we agreed that there is no proof that the majority of the “Syrian people” are considering the regime as ‘illegitimate.’ So why do you keep using ‘the syrian people’ for a group of unverified number that is much probably much less than 50%?
November 13th, 2011, 12:22 pm
irritated said:
Revlon #314
If ALL the pro-Assad demonstrations are “staged”, what about the anti-Assad demonstrations happening only on fridays and after prayers in mosques and funerals, you mean they are not “staged” ?
Note that repeated calls for general strikes against the regime can’t easily be staged and therefore they all failed miserably.
November 13th, 2011, 12:28 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
IRRITABLE @ 311
Bold is beautiful!
Answers:
1. Depends on the style and type of font.
2. And yes, it is bold to tell pencil-neck to buzz off and take his mafia with him, and it is beautiful.
3. As for Bald is beautiful, it is the eye of the beholder.
Bonus: Irritability inhibits appreciation of beauty
November 13th, 2011, 12:30 pm
jad said:
The other side of the story in Hama, pro-stability wanted to have a demonstration against the Al, the pro-change didn’t like that so some of their terrorists start bombing and attacking people in the demonstration, which forced the security to act and protect people.
How come AlHawla demonstration with a defected guy as claimed and many people was let go and was so cheerful without one gun shot from the security? Because it was peaceful, so when it’s peaceful nobody get hurt.
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November 13th, 2011, 12:31 pm
jad said:
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November 13th, 2011, 12:41 pm
Mina said:
Wasn’t there a scheduled meeting of the opposition in Moscow? Does the AL move cancel it?
November 13th, 2011, 12:47 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Absence of evidence is simply not evidence of absence. No?
The burden of proof in this case lies on the regime. If Bashar is so certain that Syrians love him, he should call for immediate free referendum under international monitor and we can all find out. Wouldn’t that restore his legitimacy?
BTW, Your analysis last evening was intelligent. I am glad you don’t work for Bashar.
Zoo, I am sorry. I inadvertently omitted your name from a previous post I wrote in response to your answer.
November 13th, 2011, 12:59 pm
Sunny said:
Reading this and watching the police hitting the unarmed Occupy Wall St protesters in many US cities (Democratic and humanitarian disasters) … the question is … how would have the police acted if these protesters were armed? These protesters can just go Walmart and obtain guns….no need for smugglers!
November 13th, 2011, 1:01 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
FULL or HALF Membership
Amazing, I just love the way things get omitted conveniently:
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So after selling and buying the Palestinian cause for 40 years, the assadists and assadistas now want to sell the Palestinians’ dream as well.
There is a glitch, and it is related to the charter, but smarties like you should find it not invent one. Didn’t the talking point from the propaganda outfit and the Syrian electronic army tell you what the problem is,…..?
I have been telling you, your REALITY is a fraud.
November 13th, 2011, 1:03 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Ershad Hermozlo,said on AlArabiya,he was asked about buffer zone:
Turkey is ready,but needs cover from AL
I think most observers should anticipate such thing,here on SC some are threatening that one sentimeter of Syria if invaded by Turkey Syria will unleash full military power, Bombastic statement, Turkish army is much stronger than syrian army, when Israel desroyed places in Syria Assad responded we will respond in the appropriate time, after three years and nothing happened,while I do not wish Turkey fight with Syria, I doubt Syria is capable of fighting back.
Buffer zone in the north west of Syria means Aleppo will be involved,Tired and weakened army ,army has many who are willing to defect,very difficult economic conditions, poor leadership in the army,I mean not smart generals, all indicates Syria will not last a week.
November 13th, 2011, 1:04 pm
Pirouz said:
The recent storming of embassies is a good indication of what would happen if a foreign military intervention were to be directed against Syria. We might expect the mass majority of Syrian people inside the country to behave the way the Iranian people did in 1980 when Iran was invaded: rallying behind the regime and nation.
November 13th, 2011, 1:11 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
AL must quickly form a committee that goes to Syria and verify things on ground
November 13th, 2011, 1:13 pm
jna said:
Armed rebels begin to defend neighborhoods, says Homs activist November 12, 2011 01:26 AM By Lauren Williams
The Daily Star
BEIRUT: Earlier in the Syrian uprising, Homs resident Wassim believed in a peaceful revolution. Not any longer.
Wassim is among thousands of “active” Homs residents who are taking part in protests and are increasingly supportive of what he terms “armed resistance” to the Syrian security forces and army offensive against the city.
Wassim believes his own shift in thinking is similar to most others in the city, who, fed up and desperate, now say taking up arms is their only option.
Over an informal conversation, Wassim – who asked that his surname not be used – detailed how the defensive strategies were working in the city, where resistance was centralized, and described a usual day in the besieged city.
“Life starts as normal at about 8 or 9 a.m. If we haven’t heard gunshots, then we go about our needs, grocery shopping, getting food, carrying on with life. Until about 3 p.m.,” he said.
“Between those hours – 9 and 3 – there is still a risk they will start to shoot, but you have to go on living.”
“There are checkpoints everywhere at the entrances to the neighborhoods, the ends of the streets.”
“So, life in some way does go on between those hours, but it has happened that I was just buying a bag at the market at around 1 p.m. and then we heard shooting nearby. We don’t feel afraid anymore. Everyone just made their way home as best they could.”
Wassim said there doesn’t appear to be any strategy behind the shootings.
“The shooting is unpredictable,” he said, explaining that security forces don’t appear to just target houses they believe contain rebels or dissidents.
“We just believe they are trying to scare us to death.”
“We can’t be sure why or when they will start to shoot. It might just be at a building, a residential building for some time. But it makes people afraid to go outside.”
“Somehow, life goes on sort of normally, until about 3:30 p.m., after that you will not see another human being on the street.”
And, after 5 p.m., he said “it is starting to get dark and that’s when the only people that come out are the protesters.”
Now, because they have killed so many people in Homs, he said there are very few left who don’t know someone who has been killed.
The Syrian government claims it is fighting armed gangs that are terrorizing neighborhoods in Homs and elsewhere. Wassim described his version of who the armed gangs are.
“We recognized the need for self defense,” he said.
“They are not afraid anymore; they are just so angry now. So they did what they needed.” “So they started to organize themselves. If someone had a gun he would bring it to that neighborhood to defend it.”
Describing the strategy, Wassim said the tactic mainly used is to target one of the security checkpoints.
“We decide on one checkpoint – it might be because that checkpoint has been firing a lot on people.”
From there, he said the armed groups position themselves at the end of the streets to fire on them at a medium distance.
“Mostly they are using hunting rifles,” he said, making it clear he had never taken part in an assault himself.
Asked what the response to a stage attack against the security forces had been, he said it is predictable.
“Once you attack a checkpoint and kill some of the soldiers, they come back harder and will for sure start shooting like crazy, in a madness way to pay back.”
“But we do it because it has become now the only way to fight back and claim our cities.”
“People are not afraid of more deaths now, of getting shot.”
Despite the higher casualty rates such tactics might result in, Wassim said he believed the majority of residents across Homs support armed defense.
“We believe they are going to kill people anyway, so we don’t care, we prefer to fight.”
“It makes you feel like at least you are … defending your people.”
“I used to believe that we could do this peacefully, now I don’t. And I think there are a lot of people like me. Mostly they support the attacks. They see it as defense.”
Asked whether the armed groups were defectors, or organized into any hierarchy, Wassim was vague.
“They are starting to,” he said.
“They are starting to organize themselves in some areas.”
With talk circulating about a Free Syrian Army at work, Wassim said some defectors would, after turning from the army, run to safe houses in the area.
Mostly, he said, they are low ranking officers who were now, in some places, applying their military training.
But he said they are not an army, or organized militia.
“Not yet.”
Asked who is organizing and giving orders, he would not say.
At this point, Wassim started to cry.
“For you outside, you want to know how it is organized, and how it is working. What is going to happen next.”
“For me, I have just seen so much, so much death after eight months. Personally, psychologically, it is too much.”
“In theory, like others, I believe in a peaceful revolution. But when you are there you know that is just impossible. It is instinct to defend your home, your family.”
“We know that by turning to arms we are doing exactly what they wanted us to do, that we are playing in to their hands.”
“But we have to defend ourselves.”
He said for the most part, residents of Homs want support.
“Politically, yes.”
And militarily?
“Yes, in the form of foreign support from the other Arab countries, mostly.”
And what about from other groups, who may supply arms?
“We just need support.”
Wassim said there had been more arms coming in recently and that more were needed for the resistance around the neighborhoods.
“We feel like orphans in Homs. No one is helping us and we are occupied.”
What about in the other cities – do Homs residents feel like they are suffering more?
“Yes. We feel that we are the ones carrying the revolution in Homs all on our own.”
“We understand that there are other cities where it is impossible, where they are also taking part in the revolution,” he said.
“But for me, if I meet someone and they tell me they are from Aleppo, I feel so angry, like I want to reach out and attack him, for doing nothing while so many people die.”
And the other cities, like Hama?
“If there was just one other city doing like we are in Homs, then the regime would be over in days.”
Wassim has now fled Syria. With most independent media now banned from Syria, his claims could not be independently verified.
A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Daily Star on November 12, 2011, on page 8.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2011/Nov-12/153836-armed-rebels-begin-to-defend-neighborhoods-says-homs-activist.ashx#axzz1dbtIjpsK
November 13th, 2011, 1:19 pm
jna said:
Syrian troops crush opposition in key Homs neighborhood
By Liz Sly, Published: November 7
BEIRUT — Syrian troops on Monday routed government opponents in a neighborhood of Homs that had emerged in recent weeks as a center of armed resistance to the regime led by President Bashar al-Assad, dealing what appeared to be a serious setback to the protest movement and to an Arab League peace initiative designed to end the violence.
Homs residents and human rights groups said security forces stormed the Bab al-Amr neighborhood in the small hours of the morning, concluding a six-day assault in which dozens were killed and scores injured, many of them in tank bombardments.
Defected soldiers who had been defending the protest hot spot either fled to the surrounding countryside or were captured or killed, said residents and activists. Syrian troops combed through the neighborhood Monday detaining all the young men they encountered, and government supporters staged a noisy demonstration through the deserted streets.
The assault came as Assad’s government braced for the potential fallout from its failure to abide by the terms of an Arab League-sponsored peace initiative agreed to last Wednesday. Under the deal, Syria was to withdraw troops from cities, allow peaceful protests and release detainees.
Instead, the army launched an offensive in Homs, surrounding Bab al-Amr on the eve of the league’s announcement of the deal in Cairo and bombarding it with tank fire.
The offensive was accompanied by a surge in retaliatory sectarian killings in which hospital workers and human rights groups have said at least 70 people died, illustrating the potential for this religiously mixed city in the heart of Syria to serve as a crucible for a civil war many have feared since the uprising erupted in March.
For three days last week, members of the Sunni majority and the Alawite minority, to which Assad belongs, targeted one another in sectarian killings.
Those attacks appear to have abated in the past few days, but the military’s offensive has not. On Monday evening, several activists said a fresh government force of about 5,000 was seen assembling at the southern approaches of the city, apparently in preparation for an assault on other neighborhoods.
The Local Coordination Committee, which monitors and supports protests, said at least 40 civilians had been killed in the Homs offensive since the league peace plan was announced. Rami Abdelrahman of the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the death toll could be higher because many injured civilians were unable to reach hospitals.
Abdelrahman said that at least 30 defected soldiers died in a final pitched battle to defend the neighborhood Sunday, before the survivors fled. A medical worker at one of the city’s hospitals saw tanks firing at each other, suggesting some of the defected soldiers had access to significant firepower.
Medical teams that ventured into streets on the outskirts of the neighborhood Monday found the bodies of seven civilians who apparently had been injured in the bombardments but were unable to reach hospitals, said the medical worker, who was reached via Skype and spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared for his safety.
Opposition groups said the assault demonstrated that the Syrian government was not serious about the peace deal, and they again appealed to the international community to provide protection for civilians.
The Syrian National Council, the umbrella organization formed last month in Istanbul to represent the opposition, said that Homs should be declared a “disaster” zone and that the international community should act to provide medical relief and monitors.
Arab leaders have effectively declared the initiative dead, and Qatar has summoned an emergency meeting of the league to address next steps against Syria.
But the emergency meeting won’t take place until Saturday, and Syrian activists accused Arab leaders of slowing their response to give the government time to crush the revolt in this last major opposition stronghold. The Syrian Revolution General Commission, which represents several protest groups inside Syria, urged the league to meet sooner and “not to give the regime another opportunity to bombard, strike and burn.”
Homs has emerged in recent months as the epicenter of the nearly eight-month-old revolt, replacing the city of Hama after protests there that drew hundreds of thousands of people to a central square were crushed in August.
The sprawling, working-class Bab al-Amr neighborhood on the southeastern edge of the city, where dozens — and, some say, hundreds of defected soldiers — had gathered to defend protesters and keep government forces out, had become the focus of the opposition movement in the city.
The crushing of yet another protest hot spot suggests the government’s strategy of relying on overwhelming force to quell the uprising is working, at least for now. The uprising has emerged as the most serious challenge to four decades of Assad family rule.
But human rights activists pointed to the persistence of protests in other parts of the country that apparently had been crushed, including the southern town of Daraa and Hama, where demonstrations have been staged in recent days.
“It’s bad news in the short term but not in the long term,” Abdelrahman said. “The Syrian regime can win a battle, but we are sacrificing our blood and we will win the war.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syria-troops-crush-opposition-in-key-homs-neighborhood/2011/11/07/gIQAmDONwM_story.html
November 13th, 2011, 1:21 pm
Uzair8 said:
Fawaz Gerges was on the BBC talking about Syria a couple of hours ago. I caught the end of it. I haven’t seen a proper interview with him on Syria for a while now. Keep an eye out for it when the video (accessible to outside UK) becomes available.
November 13th, 2011, 1:24 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Rif’at al Assad to Bashar: Return Syria to the Syrians. Step down.
I have no link, but saw it on TV channel 10.
.
November 13th, 2011, 1:27 pm
Shami said:
Amir,
Rifaat is wanted to be put on trial as much than Bashar.
November 13th, 2011, 1:31 pm
Shami said:
Pirouz ,you must be very emotional person ,rational persons are not deluded by the images that come from countries under totalitarian dictatures.
You will see the guenine character of Syria in post-assad Syria and i’m sure that you guess it.
Of course your theocratic propaganda regime is going to suffer from the downfall of the assads and makhloufs…
November 13th, 2011, 1:48 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Dear Shami,
You’re right of course. Rif’at was the executioner in his brother’s service. He is as equally criminal. But his statement suggests that there are cracks within the Alawi elite.
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November 13th, 2011, 1:55 pm
Tara said:
Amir
The love between Hafiz & sons and Rifaat was lost long time ago. It was Bushra al Assad who convinced her father not to throw his brother in jail and rather to exile him to Spain. Rifaat statement does not mean anything. He is much more thuggish than Bashar.
November 13th, 2011, 2:06 pm
Norman said:
Shami,Tara, Bronco,
We said the same thing about Israel, you might be too young to remember, but the Arabs thought that they can spit and drown the Jews, and that Israel can not survive between all these Arabs, look where we are now, Israel is the most advanced in the Mideast and we are fighting each other.
So be aware, that the minorities of the Mideast will seek their own states if they feel threatened and so far i do not see anything that can comfort them from what is going on in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya,
Tara, Bronco,
I believe that Bronco is right, the president has at least more than 50% of the people, otherwise how do you explain that the opposition is not calling for free election but asking for the execution of the president and the demise of the regime and the Baath party.
if they have enough support then they will call for free and fair election, That is not the case which makes things clear to me.
To the people who want Syria to denounce the Arab nation have to understand that Syria is the heart of the Arab nation in spite of the Arab rulers and will always be,
And that is my take JAD .
November 13th, 2011, 2:09 pm
annie said:
Uzair8
Have you paid a visit to Walls ? I am sure you would like it and they would like you. One address : http://7ee6an.wordpress.com/
November 13th, 2011, 2:16 pm
Mina said:
Syria does not need to be the heart of a so-called Arab nation of traitors. What is in common in the history of the South Sudanese, the Algerians, and the Kuwaitis? Nothing except Islam. So let religion to the corrupt religious scholars, and get back to your roots. Yes, Syrians are Arabs, but many of them are Armenians, Rums, Turks, Kurds, and have no claim for an identity that would get them closer to the Gulf people (South-Arabian and India-related, through history) or the Moroccans! Even in the ancient history of the Arabs there was always Adnan and Qahtan, and they really have nothing in common.
November 13th, 2011, 2:18 pm
Uzair8 said:
Annie #336
Annie thanks.
Im already on there.
CSI HAMA
Mr Assad “We wont get fooled again”.
November 13th, 2011, 2:20 pm
Uzair8 said:
I wouldn’t want a Nato or UN military intervention. It should be a joint Arab-Turkish action.
Operation “PROTECT CIVILIANS.”
November 13th, 2011, 2:25 pm
Tara said:
Norman
The people are certain that no free election can take place while Bashar is in power. It did not happen in 40 years and it will just not miraculously happen. Bashar talked about reforms but did nothing! In the interim, he is accountable for the death and torture because it happened under his watch. People can’t simply trust a serial killer, a rapist, or child molester. Same logic is applied here. Trust is acquired feeling and when it is lost, it is lost and that is that. People want to topple the regime because they don’t trust it and that is enough reason.
Btw, I have no issues with the principals of Baath party. I always thought that the Baath principles in theory are good and noble. I however would never agree that it should be the single leader of the state and the society. The problem is, it has proven itself to be obsolete and not doable. I am still taken back though by the fact that Arab nationalism is not as prevalent among Syrians as much as I thought it would be.
November 13th, 2011, 2:29 pm
Tara said:
I am not clear to the recent request by a high-ranking Syrian official for an Arab summit. Was their any reply from the AL? Can Syria request an Arab summit after its suspension?
November 13th, 2011, 2:35 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Tara
All Arab leaders will not attend,it is a desperate attempt by the regime to buy time.
November 13th, 2011, 2:41 pm
OFF THE WALL said:
Dear TARA
The suspension is not activated until after review of a report on the 16th of November. Legally the Syrian government is entitled to ask for a summit as well as for a fact finding mission. The issue is whether the AL council believes that this is genuine or not. But given the gravity of the situation, at least a fact finding team should be convened promptly and get to Syria no later than Tuesday morning. A summit is a long shot, as the regime’s propaganda has declared the death of Arabism and of the Arab nation (speaking of exceptionalism).
The Syrian regime as it orchestrated the “spontaneous” outbursts has shot itself in the foot. The mission may even have reasons to fear for its own safety.
November 13th, 2011, 2:47 pm
jad said:
Some ‘stan’ boys&gails&inbetween, why don’t you mind your own ‘Stan’ problems and leave the Syrians to decide what’s in their country’s best interest instead of giving us your ‘Stani’ operation ideas, we all know how good your ‘tribalstan’ is.
I fed up with all those non-Syrians telling us what to do, mind your own tribal, occupied and ‘the no-government left over European country ‘Stan’s’ you coming from, will call you when we need your worthless opinions.
November 13th, 2011, 2:50 pm
Tara said:
If bloodshed in Syria continues at the same rate, Turkey involvement would be inevitable and Bashar has only himself to blame. At that time, Bashar should expect that he will only have part of the 4th brigade to defend him. Turkey will not be viewed by majority Syrians as a foreign invader. It will be viewed as people’s protector.
Did Iraqi Shiite opposed The American invasion to topple Saddam?
It is my hope that Syrians will do it all alone but if it to happen, it is Bashar fault.
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/turkey-evacuates-non-essential-staff-syria-132422234.html;_ylt=A2KJh8b_A8BOpG8AzgnqV8d_;_ylu=X3oDMTNxdDYwYXFyBG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBXb3JsZFNGBHBrZwM0OGQ4YjI2OS1hZmVjLTM2MTctODc0Ni1hNDFjM2VjZjkzZjYEcG9zAzQEc2VjA3RvcF9zdG9yeQR2ZXIDNmE1M
Turkey calls for united response to stop Syria bloodshed
By Safak Timur | AFP News – 3 hours ago
Turkey on Sunday called on the international community for a united response to stop the bloodshed in Syria and summoned the Syrian envoy to condemn attacks on its diplomatic missions by pro-regime protesters.
“The attitude of the Syrian government … demonstrates the need for the international community to respond with a united voice to the serious developments in Syria,” the Turkish foreign ministry said in a statement.
Turkey summoned the Syrian charge d’affaires, the country’s envoy to Ankara, and submitted a diplomatic note, as it condemned the attacks on its diplomatic mission.
“Turkey strongly condemns… the loathsome attacks on its embassy in Damascus, consulate in Aleppo and honorary consulate in Latakia,” the foreign ministry said.
On Saturday night, thousands of protesters carrying knives and batons attacked Turkey’s diplomatic missions, furious over Ankara’s support for an Arab League decision to suspend Syria, state-run news agency Anatolia reported.
In Aleppo, protesters managed to break into the consulate building, Anatolia said, while in Damascus they pelted the embassy building with stones, plastic bottles and tear gas shellings, which the police used to disperse the crowd.
No one was injured in the attacks, however Turkey decided to evacuate the families of diplomats and non-essential personnel from Syria.
A Turkish Airlines plane brought a group of 60 people to Ankara, Anatolia said. Ambassador Omer Onhon and diplomatic staff will stay on in Syria, the ministry said.
Arab League foreign ministers earlier Saturday voted to suspend Syria over its failure to comply with an agreement to end the crackdown on a nationwide protest movement calling for President Bashar al-Assad’s resignation.
Turkey on Sunday hailed the decision saying it was “on time and of common sense”, highlighting the “seriousness” of the situation in Syria.
Syria’s failure to fulfil its commitments to the Arab League is a “disappointment” for Turkey, the statement said.
“The Syrian government should read the message of the Arab League right and stop the violence against its own people,” it added.
Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu is to meet representatives of the Syrian opposition movement in Ankara at 1800 GMT Sunday, his ministry said.
“The Arab League took the right step … with this decision, we support it,” Davutoglu said Saturday during a visit to Serbia, media reports said.
Davutoglu said he would meet with the foreign ministers of Arab countries in Morocco on Wednesday during a Turkish-Arab Forum and would discuss Syria further, media reports added.
Ankara, once a close ally to Assad, has expressed frustration for his failure to listen to the people, whose almost daily pro-democracy rallies have been met with violent repression, at a cost of 3,500 lives, mostly civilians.
Turkey shares a long border with Syria of more than 800 kilometres (500 miles) in its south, and some 7,500 Syrians have fled to Turkey where they live in border camps in Hatay province.
November 13th, 2011, 2:56 pm
Tara said:
Majed & OTW
Thanks for your answers. I too do not expect that an Arab summit will take place. It is becoming more and more personal to other Arab leaders. Thanks to Besho’s vision.
November 13th, 2011, 3:00 pm
Tara said:
28 civillians killed in Syria today, mostly in Hama.
November 13th, 2011, 3:01 pm
Mina said:
There was supposed to be an AL fact-finding mission and journalists on the ground already 10 days ago when Syria complied with the exit plan, so why haven’t we heard of them in 10 days?
November 13th, 2011, 3:04 pm
Mina said:
Ghalyoun’s council agenda plain and clear, admitting they decided to fail the AL initiative because they were not consulted:
http://blog.lefigaro.fr/malbrunot/2011/11/syrie-ghalioun-demande-que-le.html
It’s full of contradictions, I would say.
November 13th, 2011, 3:18 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
I do hope the FSA behaves a bit and slows down the aggression in these 3-4 days, otherwise it will have an adverse effect if there is indeed an AL fact-finding mission or summit.
And any fact-finding mission must include 1 rep. from GCC (Qatar/Kuwait), 2 from Levant ( Jordan and Lebanon), 2 from North Africa ( Libya and Algeria) and 1 from sub-Saharan Africa. ( Mauritana/Sudan).
November 13th, 2011, 3:19 pm
Tara said:
Khaled
If you believe that FSA’s objective is rather aggression not in degense of the unaemed civilians against Assad’s army atrocities then you should change your position and start supporting the regime. I am offended by your statement.
November 13th, 2011, 3:26 pm
ss said:
The only sectarian place is here in SC not in Syria. The regime has a wide base support from and all sectors. The opinion of some people here represents the Muslim brotherhood agenda. Some names here are available 24/7; that means they are either agents who get paid for their job or losers in life who has nothing to do. Millions of Syrians went to streets today to declare their support against the conspiracy of the AL. This is never new for the regime who had survived countless political pressure in the past. What distinguish Syria from Lybia, Egypt, Qatar, and Saudi is that Syria never surrendered to the west. There is not going to be a role for Muslim brotherhood in Syria. There is no government in the west that is going to pay the bill to bring some radicals to rule Syria; and yes Sunnis do not want them either.
November 13th, 2011, 3:50 pm
Ghufran said:
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November 13th, 2011, 4:00 pm
Norman said:
Mina,
the relation between the people of Syria and the people of Morocco is stronger that the one between the people of Vermont and the people of Tennessee, or the people of Oregon and the people of Arkansas, They are still part of the American nation, Black , White, Muslims, Christians and Jews, Mexican, Irish, and Cuban and orientals, The US is more diverse than the Arab Nation and if it can be done in the US , it can be done in the Arab Nation,
By the way, in the Arab Nation, the leaders do not represent the people , we saw that with their support for Syria when Syria was the leader to push the US out of Iraq.so the people what makes the Arab nation not the traitors called leaders,
I went one day to the Moroccan section of Disney world and met some college age Moroccan girls, their favorite poet was Nizar Qabbani, that is why it is one Arab nation.
Tara, Said,:
Btw, I have no issues with the principals of Baath party. I always thought that the Baath principles in theory are good and noble. I however would never agree that it should be the single leader of the state and the society. The problem is, it has proven itself to be obsolete and not doable. I am still taken back though by the fact that Arab nationalism is not as prevalent among Syrians as much as I thought it would be.
I am glad that you are on the right track, I do not think that the single party system is good for any country, I did not think that during the last crises in 1979 and 1980 , the single party system is the worst thing that happened to the Baath party and to any party as that will attract opportunists and makes it difficult to fight corruption when the legal system is used to prosecute criminals.
November 13th, 2011, 4:11 pm
Ghufran said:
As much as I would like to believe that the conflict does not have a sectarian flavor,facts on the ground speak against this rosy assessment. The more blood is shed,the more sectarian this crisis will become. The speed at which the AL took their decision to suspend Syria’s participation in its meeting,as early as November 16th,clearly indicates that the mood is set for more escalation. Without a roadmap that has the support of all parties in the opposition and the army,nothing but a civil war can be expected. I am still waiting for a sane person to tell me how they are going to handle 1.5 million armed men,most of whom are still loyal to the regime. The only answer I got was the FSA and NATO.
November 13th, 2011, 4:12 pm
Ghufran said:
Tara,
Did you really believe that those anti regime armed men are only shooting when they are shot at?
Most of what I have seen was ambushes and random firing on any target that is associated with the army and security forces in addition to attacks on civilian vehicles coming from or going to alawi towns. Alawi gangs are not innocent either and the regime is a big part of this mess and that is why this conflict is already militarized despite the demos that take place in certain areas.
Without a real political compromise we will see a long and a bloody conflict. Turkey can weaken the regime but Turkish troops will not attack Syrian targets,at least for now.
As for the AL,they will provide lip service to the opposition as long as they get paid.
November 13th, 2011, 4:25 pm
Some guy no longer in damascus said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dBdP63SItY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Staged…..
November 13th, 2011, 4:36 pm
ann said:
306. bronco said:
#301 Ann
A better suggestion would be to move the Turkish Embassy in Damascus to Edleb ready to settle in the buffer zone in preparation for the Benghazification of Edleb.
turkey’s dream is annexing your beautiful city ALEPPO, and the islamist terrorist muslim brothers already signed it away as a gift to turkey.
Free for all.
November 13th, 2011, 4:45 pm
ann said:
Tens Of Thousands criticize suspension of Syria – 2011-11-14
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=487383&type=
TENS of thousands of Syrian government supporters poured into the streets yesterday to protest against an Arab League vote to suspend the country’s membership, as Turkey sent planes to evacuate diplomatic staff and their families after a night of attacks on embassies.
The Syrian government called for an urgent Arab summit to discuss the deepening crisis and invited Arab League officials to visit before its membership suspension was to take effect on Wednesday.
The government said the officials could bring any civilian or military observers they deem appropriate to oversee implementation of an Arab League plan for ending the violence.
The United Nations estimates government forces have killed more than 3,500 people since mid-March. The violence continued yesterday, with activists reporting at least 11 people killed by security forces in several parts of the country.
Yesterday’s protests in support of the government drew large numbers in the capital, Damascus, and other cities. “You Arab leaders are the tails of Obama,” read one banner held by protesters accusing the Arab League of bowing to US pressure.
Thousands of people carried Syrian flags and posters of President Bashar Assad in Damascus. Similar demonstrations were held in Aleppo, Latakia, Tartous and Hasakeh.
The Syrian leader claims extremists pushing a foreign agenda to destabilize Syria are behind the country’s unrest. Yesterday’s demonstrators accused Arab countries of being complicit in this conspiracy.
The government called the Arab League decision “illegal,” claiming it was intended to set the stage for foreign military intervention such as that in Libya.
The pro-government protests came after a night of assaults by demonstrators on the diplomatic offices of countries critical of the Syrian government, including break-ins at the Saudi and Qatari embassies and attacks at Turkish diplomatic posts.
Syrian security forces confronted Saturday night’s protesters at embassies with batons and teargas but were unable to stop a group from breaking into the Qatari embassy and replacing the Qatari flag with a Syrian flag.
Others entered Saudi Arabia’s embassy compound, broke windows and ransacked some areas. Saudi Arabia condemned the attack and said Syrian authorities are responsible for protecting its interests.
Protesters also tried to break into the Turkish Embassy in Damascus on Saturday and into the country’s consulates in Aleppo and Latakia. Turkey is not a member of the Arab League but has welcomed the league’s decision.
November 13th, 2011, 4:48 pm
Ghufran said:
Denying that the regime still has support inside Syria may sooth the sour feelings of many but it does not bring us any closer to a solution. Those regime supporters who are not clearly indicated in killing civilians must be included in any future political dialogue and so does the army. Those people are Syrian too and not every regime supporter is a criminal that must be jailed or excluded from talks about a regime change.
November 13th, 2011, 4:48 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
LOL LOL LOL ppl still think I’m ABOUD.
And btw ABOUD really hates me nowadays, just go to 7ee6an and check it out yoursleves, he has even called for me to be banned.
TARA, did you know I am banned on 7ee6an till November 26 ? .
November 13th, 2011, 4:49 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
NORMAN, since you’re the few authentic baathists around here,
Did you or did you not support Saddam Hussein and his Baath part in his War against IRAN ?
Did you or did you not support Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Baath Party policy of arming the PLO in Lebanon between 1975 and 1982 ?
Did you or did you not support IRAQ under al Baath cutting off all diplomatic relations with SYRIA in 1980 ?
Also, since you claim to be a Baathist, how do you explain your support for IRAN when a Iraqi Baath Party official statement from 1980 declares IRAN the eternal enemy, as bad as ISRAEL.
Pls explain, Norman.
November 13th, 2011, 4:57 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
NORMAN, since you’re the few authentic Baathists around here,
Did you or did you not support Saddam Hussein and his Baath part in his War against IRAN ?
Did you or did you not support Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Baath Party policy of arming the PLO in Lebanon between 1975 and 1982 ?
Did you or did you not support IRAQ under al Baath cutting off all diplomatic relations with SYRIA in 1980 ?
Also, since you claim to be a Baathist, how do you explain your support and love for IRAN when a Iraqi Baath Party official statement from 1980 declares IRAN the eternal enemy, as bad as ISRAEL.
Saddam Hussein, Batalul Arab declared that Allah shouldn’t have created 2 races, one was the Jews , the other the Majoos ( PERSIANS).
Yet how do you explain the Syrian regime that you love being Iran’s closest friend ?
Also, you cannot claim that Saddam Hussein was not authentic Baathist, since MICHEL AFLAQ, the founder of Baathism, preferred Saddam over Hafez.
Pls explain, Norman….
November 13th, 2011, 5:01 pm
Tara said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/by-suspending-syria-arab-league-finally-breaks-from-its-past/2011/11/13/gIQAjxudIN_blog.html
Posted at 03:24 PM ET, 11/13/2011
By suspending Syria, Arab League finally breaks from its past
By David Ignatius
ABU DHABI — There’s a weird poetic justice to the Arab League’s decision to suspend the membership of Syria, a country that worked hard for so many years to make the Arab League a house of lies and a dictators’ protection society.
Modern Syria has been a champion of the sloganeering “Arabism” at which the Arab League was so adept. This was the Arabism that backed the military dictatorships that bludgeoned unwieldy nations into place and denounced Israel’s failure to resolve the Palestinian issue, even as the Arab League states themselves gave miserable, second-class status to the Palestinian refugees who lived within their borders.
It’s not that the Israeli policies were justified, but that the Arab League members were hypocrites.
The Assad regime in Syria has lived by this code of Arab nationalism — or, at least, by the cover that it provided for maintaining power by a corrupt and feeble Baath Party. An air force general named Hafez al-Assad had gained power in a coup in 1970 brandishing his Arab credentials; they helped shield the fact that he, like many military officers, was from the Alawite minority that was strong in the military and disliked by the Sunni majority.
President Hafez Assad marched his troops into Lebanon in 1976 to defuse the Lebanese Civil War, in what was called the “Arab Deterrent Force” and sanctioned by the Arab League. It’s useful, in understanding the minority politics of the region, to remember that the practical effect of this Syrian intervention was to rescue the Maronite Christians, who were fighting the Palestinians and an alliance of Sunni Muslims and Druze.
Once the Syrians arrived in Lebanon, they stayed to feast on its spoils — until they were driven out by popular demand after the assassination of former prime minister Rafik Hariri in 2005, a crime for which the Syrians were initially blamed but that a U.N. investigator now says was the work of Hezbollah. Looking back, you can argue that the “March 14 movement” that expelled the Syrians six years ago was the start of what we now call the Arab Spring.
How ironic that the Syrians, who for decades refused to demarcate their border with Lebanon (arguing that it was really part of “Greater Syria”) are now mining that same border. To quote the un-Arab but still apposite Sir Walter Scott, “What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive.”
Bashar al-Assad has never been as adept at operating in the Arab League’s hall of mirrors as was his father. Perhaps he lacks the talent for giving the big, empty speeches that were a specialty of such gatherings. He has also proved to be a man who starts things he can’t finish — reform of the Baath Party, constitutional change — which is a mistake his father never would have committed. Hafez was secretly admired by former secretary of state Henry Kissinger, and even by the Israelis — because if he made a promise, he kept it.
Bashar has been the opposite. He promised reform to an Arab League mediation committee that was dispatched last month — in what could have been a lifeline for his regime. But despite the pledges (similar to the ones he has been making since February) his troops kept on killing Syrian protesters—showing either that Bashar was lying or that he can’t control the army. Not good for Bashar either way.
Over the weekend, the Arab League suspended the Syrian regime’s membership and called for meetings with the Syrian opposition to plan “a unified view of the coming transition.” True to form, the Syrian president responded by calling for an emergency meeting of the Arab League — and suggested, bizarrely, that the effort was all part of a foreign plot to invade Syria.
It was a classic Arab League move: Hide from your people and blame your troubles on sinister outside forces allied with the West.
But this chapter of Arab history seems mercifully to be passing — with even the Arab League becoming a force that takes action to protect oppressed Arab citizens and restrain autocratic rulers. This is a snapshot of what’s changing in the Middle East, and why it’s worth celebrating.
November 13th, 2011, 5:41 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Ghufran
in 355 you mentioned 1.5 million armed men, can you tell me what do you mean by 1.5 million armed men
November 13th, 2011, 5:47 pm
ss said:
Khalid Tlass 363;
It has beena while since I made a comment on what you say. If you look at the big picture; Syria is a victim of a big war between Slafi and Majoos (as you call them). The salafi wants to break down the regime who has strong ties with what you call ALMAJOOS. This is it, and Qatar along with Saudi will do everything to bring the regime down, it has nothing to do with Syrian people. The MBs on the other hand, sharing the same genetic material as Salafis are the agents for this evilish agenda. Thankfully the majority of Syrian people realized this early on. The Majoos influence is inevitable, it started from the big mistake of Bush the son who brought down Sadam Hussien regime. If you want to blame someone then go and blame him. His father was able to capture Saddam but let him go because he knew that he created a stability against Majoos. Iraq refused to vote with teh current AL deal. Did you ask yourself why???.
November 13th, 2011, 5:54 pm
Norman said:
Khalid,
363. Khalid Tlasssaid:
(( NORMAN, since you’re the few authentic Baathists around here,))
I never joined the Baath party i always liked the Baath party principles, but felt the the single party system that Syria has opened the Baath party to opportunists that do not deserve to be in the Baath party and i did not want to be associated with them,
((Did you or did you not support Saddam Hussein and his Baath part in his War against IRAN ?))
I did not, i felt that after years of Iran being pro Israel and anti Arab and Palestinians, after the revolution Iran became pro Arabs , i felt that Saddam Hussein was doing the dirty work of the Gulf states that were afraid of extending the revolution to their states and Saddam fell for it, ( Stupid)cost Iraq money and lives for the sake of the coward gulf states,
He started that war and as we can not stand by the aggressor in Palestine we can not support one in Iraq/Iran conflict.
((Did you or did you not support Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Baath Party policy of arming the PLO in Lebanon between 1975 and 1982 ?))
I support the Palestinian cause, I did not support what the PLO did in Lebanon which was to take over Lebanon, they lost my support when they did that, and Syria’s too,Saddam was not helping the Palestinians he was trying to cause trouble to Syria and Lebanon,
((Did you or did you not support IRAQ under al Baath cutting off all diplomatic relations with SYRIA in 1980 ?))
That was a response to Syria standing by the right of Iran to defend itself,
((Also, since you claim to be a Baathist, how do you explain your support and love for IRAN when a Iraqi Baath Party official statement from 1980 declares IRAN the eternal enemy, as bad as ISRAEL.))
I like the Baath party principles , i do not agree with what the members do, the Baath party members in Iraq were mislead by the Saudi, Kuwaiti and the US who wanted an Iranian/Arab conflict to keep both parties weak , i still remember from the Eighties when American officials were asked about which party the US want to win , the answer was always neither.
((Saddam Hussein, Batalul Arab declared that Allah shouldn’t have created 2 races, one was the Jews , the other the Majoos ( PERSIANS).))
And I am glad that he was executed, for one thing that he was ignorant, The Jews are Semitics like the Arabs,
Iraq, the Mideast and the Baath party would have been much better off if Saddam Hussein was a still born,
((Yet how do you explain the Syrian regime that you love being Iran’s closest friend ?))
Syria has one issue in foreign policy, It is the Golan and the Palestinian rights, Syria is a friend to any country that support Syria in her goals, The US , KSA, even Israel , Iran has supported Syria more than any other Arab country.
((Also, you cannot claim that Saddam Hussein was not authentic Baathist, since MICHEL AFLAQ, the founder of Baathism, preferred Saddam over Hafez.))
After the birth of the Baath party , the deeds of it’s members are their own, i do not know the policies of Michael Aflaq or Salah AL Din AL Bitar, to decide if i agree with them or not but Aflaq, even if started the Baath party he does not own it, The Arab people do, i do not agree with Aflaq, he was wrong and the history of Saddam proved it, and the members of the Baath party are responsible for their deeds as are Christians, Muslims Jews and Hindu .
((Pls explain, Norman….))
I hope i did,
One last word, The Baath party principles is what i like i do not like many of the deeds that the members did, and should be held accountable for.and i do not think that the Baath party has to have set aside and qoutas to stay in power, the Baath party can win elections fairly, with the understanding that they will lose the next election but if democracy is real, the Syrian people are going to find out that the Baath party is better than the rest.
NORMAN
November 13th, 2011, 6:05 pm
irritated said:
Revlon #249
Please update us on the the tallied number of soldiers defected: 15,000? 40,000?
We haven’t heard anymore of Riad Al Assad. Are the turks still preventing the media to visit him and his troops in Turkey?
Any new phone interview?
November 13th, 2011, 6:10 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Interesting video. Joshua in it.
The Regime – PBS – Syria Undercover
November 13th, 2011, 6:11 pm
ann said:
Israel acts to cut back ‘meddling’ funding – 2011-11-14
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/?id=487384&type=World
SENIOR Israeli Cabinet ministers took a significant step yesterday toward curbing foreign funding for political not-for-profit organizations, a measure that opponents see as trying to muzzle dovish groups critical of the government.
The Ministerial Committee for Legislation approved a bill that would limit donations by foreign governments or international bodies such as the United Nations or European Union to 20,000 shekels (US$5,200) annually. The bill requires a parliamentary vote.
The funding comes from countries considered friendly to Israel, not enemy nations, and goes to groups such as Peace Now. But critics of the funding see it as meddling in Israel’s internal affairs.
Lawmaker Danny Danon said: “Cutting off the funding of the organizations is a first step in removing the marginal affliction of the extreme left wing from Israeli society.”
The largest organization affected, the New Israel Fund, said it will continue to battle the legislation as it makes its way through parliament. The fund raises money for peace causes.
The group said: “If this legislation passes, Israel will become the only Western democracy to outlaw outside funding for organizations it designates as ‘political.’ We call on all Israelis and lovers of Israel worldwide to reject this latest assault on the values and freedoms maintained by every real democracy.”
Israeli media reported that the EU has been pressing Israel to scrap the new law.
The bill was drafted after Israel-based groups funded by foreign sources gave critical testimony about Israeli military conduct during the 2009 war in the Gaza Strip to a UN-appointed commission.
November 13th, 2011, 6:12 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Norman
Please explain why does Syria need Iran?
November 13th, 2011, 6:15 pm
newfolder said:
great news from Homs, a Christian demonstration coming out from the Ghassaniya church against the regime and calling for national unity.
Video here:
This must have the regime pissing it’s pants more than the Alawi actress Fadwa Sulieman leading protests in Homs!
also, the idiotic fiasco that is Addounia T.V, for the first time in 40 years on Syrian T.V appears wearing a headscarf!!!!! lol, now the regime is trying to appease the salafis or the MB or what? lol
link here:
http://www.facebook.com/homs.syr/posts/218336431570247
November 13th, 2011, 6:16 pm
ann said:
Lebanese president warns against isolating Syria – 2011-11-14
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.asp?id=30338
BEIRUT, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) — Lebanese President Michel Sleiman warned Sunday that isolating Syria could lead to foreign intervention in the country and urged Syrian President Bashar Assad to implement an Arab League initiative to end political crisis.
“Isolation carries dangers and it is possible it could lead to foreign intervention, but in return, the Syrian government should implement all reforms,” Sleiman told reporters in the northern coastal city of Tripoli.
“In terms of isolating Syria, Lebanon is against it because the people [are the] ones who pay [the price] and [isolation] impedes dialogue,” Sleiman added.
The Arab League decided Saturday to suspend Syria’s activities at the pan-Arab organization. The suspension, which will take effect on Nov. 16, was approved by 18 member states. Syria, Lebanon and Yemen voted against the motion while Iraq abstained.
The Arab League said the suspension would remain in force until Damascus abided in full with the initiative it signed up on Nov. 2.
November 13th, 2011, 6:25 pm
irritated said:
#339 Uzair
“I wouldn’t want a Nato or UN military intervention. It should be a joint Arab-Turkish action.
Operation “PROTECT CIVILIANS.”
”
Poor imagination:
Operation “HAJJI BABA SHIELD”
November 13th, 2011, 6:30 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Another video
November 13th, 2011, 6:31 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
A bit of bad news in SANA’s estimates of turnout at rallies today (note: in general this year SANA has overestimated crowd sizes at pro-regime rallies):
Nobody on the pro-regime side can be happy about that relative turnout at Hama. SANA also says that “in Homs huge masses flocked to the President Roundabout”. Video footage from overhead of that rally in Homs today is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4bBXJYrphM and I wouldn’t call it “huge masses”. But despite that, I don’t see anyone with a sound basis for forecasting that anti-regime candidates can win a substantial share of the city council seats in Homs and Hama. The Local Council Elections take place nationwide in Syria on 12 Dec 2011.
November 13th, 2011, 6:40 pm
bronco said:
MajelAKhaldoon
To temper you high expectations:
“Arab League Secretary General Nabil Elaraby said on Sunday that League officials would meet representatives of Syrian opposition groups on Tuesday, but added that it was too soon for the Cairo-based body to consider recognizing the Syrian opposition as the country’s legitimate authority.
Answering a question at a news conference in the Libyan capital Tripoli, Elaraby said: “Recognition of them as a government? Maybe it is a bit premature to discuss that.”
It was not clear how the 22-member Arab League would react to Syria’s request for an emergency Arab summit.”
http://news.yahoo.com/syria-calls-arab-league-meet-avert-suspension-151134269.html
November 13th, 2011, 6:41 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Algeria’s Foreign Minister, Mourad Medelci, said in a press conference today 13 Nov 2011: “More than ever before, the time requires reinforcing relations with the Syrian government to put into effect the Arab League’s work plan.”
He was speaking about Algeria’s intention to keep an ambassador in Damascus. But it begs the question why did Algeria vote to suspend Syria from the Arab League’s meetings?
November 13th, 2011, 6:46 pm
bronco said:
Davuto?lu met with the Syrian National Council (SNC) late Sunday.
Any Turkileaks?
November 13th, 2011, 6:50 pm
Majed97 said:
Forget the AL conspirators and just keep your eyes on Moscow and Beijing. They hold all the cards when it comes to Syria’s fate internationally. The AL has no collective vote at the UN, so their calls for UN interference (if they do) is like having Spanish speaking Latin American countries calling for action on Cuba, or Venezuela. What vested interest does the AL have in Syria exactly? This organization has always been a symbolic entity with no muscles, or coherent agenda.
Before the AL confirms Syria’s membership suspension on Wednesday, Syria should preemptively break away with the AL and declare itself a Syrian Republic. Most Syrians have little to no respect for the AL, specifically the gulf countries. Arabism was never a good fit for Syria anyway; it was more of a burden than anything else.
November 13th, 2011, 6:51 pm
ann said:
Russia to honor Syria arms contracts – MOSCOW, November 13, 2011
http://en.ria.ru/world/20111113/168663837.html
Russia will honor all arms contacts with Syria despite continuing violence against anti-government protesters in the country, a senior military official said on Sunday.
“Since there are no restrictions on the supply of arms to Syria, Russia will fulfill its obligations under the contracts signed with this country,” Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, deputy head of Russia’s Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation, told reporters in Dubai.
Dzirkaln said Moscow saw “dialogue between the government and opposition as the only solution to the current crisis” and called on Damascus to end its crackdown on protesters.
Rights groups more than 3,500 people have been killed since protests against President Bashar al-Assad began in March.
On Saturday, the Arab League voted to suspend Syria from its meetings and impose sanctions. The Damascus government condemned the decision, saying it was made under the orders of the United States and violated the regional body’s charter. Bashar supporters held mass rallies in Damascus and other cities on Saturday to protest against the suspension.
Speaking in Dubai, Dzirkaln also warned against a “repetition of the Libyan scenario” in the country.
He said Russia was keen to resume arms sales to Libya.
“Russia is interested in continuing mutually beneficial cooperation with the new Libyan government, both on the already-signed contracts and prospective deals,” he said.
In September, Libya’s National Transitional Council (NTC) chair Mustafa Abdul Jalil said his country would not buy Russian arms. Observers said the decision came as little surprise because of Moscow’s links with the late Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s regime and its slowness to recognize the rebel leadership as the legitimate government.
Dzirkaln also said Russia hoped to continue arms sales to Yemen when violence there ended.
November 13th, 2011, 7:01 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Majed97
Should Syria change its name from Syrian Arabic republic to Syrian persian republic?
November 13th, 2011, 7:08 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
The Sin of Omission
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What is the matter?. Mr. Alkadi fans are too embarrassed to share his Fatwa with us today. I condemned Aroor long time ago, so did most of the opposition people, I am waiting for the enlightened peace advocating fans of Mr. Alkadi to condemn Shaikh Bassam Alkadi and his fatwa. I am going to my imaginary rat hole, you simply get in the gutter of Mr. Bassam Alqadi and his new found status as a pathetic Syrio-nazi servant of his master Betho.
Enjoy your Fatwaji
November 13th, 2011, 7:13 pm
Tara said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8887454/Syrias-isolation-grows-as-neighbours-react-with-fury-to-embassy-attacks.html
Syria’s isolation grows as neighbours react with fury to embassy attacks
By Richard Spencer, Middle East Correspondent
13 Nov 2011
….
Worse was to come afterwards when officials said the League was seeking to unify the Syrian opposition into a coherent force similar to Libya’s opposition National Transitional Council, which was eventually recognised as the sole legitimate government.
In another echo of the stance which led to it arguing for the UN’s no-fly zone in north Africa, the League’s secretary general, Nabil al-Arabi, yesterday used a visit to the Libyan capital Tripoli to say it was “studying mechanisms it could implement to protect civilians in Syria”.
“There is nothing wrong with going to the UN Security Council,” he added, ominously.
Russia and China both vetoed United Nations sanctions last month, but Amr al-Azm, a Syrian-American academic prominent in the opposition movement said it would be different if the resolution were not sponsored directly by the United States or European countries.
“It’s much harder for the Russians to say no when it’s the Arab League pushing it,” he said.
Western countries have ruled out military action over Syria, particularly since in the early days of the uprising opposition activists themselves called for them not to intervene. But as the uprising increasingly takes on the appearance of a civil war, with armed defectors attacking Syrian forces, and the Libyan war finishing in a clear victory for the rebels, more activists are talking of the possibility of international intervention.
A statement by Turkey, which has already allowed an armed opposition group to base itself in the country, showed a hardening of its attitude.
“The attitude of the Syrian government demonstrates the need for the international community to respond with a united voice to the serious developments in Syria,” it said.
….
November 13th, 2011, 7:15 pm
Ghufran said:
Majed,
The number,1.5 million,is an estimate on the conservative side of army,security and militia forces largely believed to be loyal to the regime. This force was not built over a year or two,it has been slowly building up since the early 1960s. We can argue about the number or the degree of loyalty all day long,but no solution will see the light without addressing that crowd.I was told by a couple of people who claimed to know more than me about the subject that even Ghalioun realizes that he eventually has to initiate a dialogue with those people,look at what happened in Iraq when an idiot,Paul Bremer,sent 300,000 soldiers,mostly Sunni, home with their weapons.the problem with pro regime armed people is not just their loyalty to Bashar,which may not be unbreakable,but it is also their loyalty to their villages,families and sects and their fear that a regime change will take them back to the stone age. To my knowledge,nothing was done to address this explosive issue.
Remember that Tunisia,Libya and Egypt did not have this problem.
November 13th, 2011, 7:17 pm
ann said:
Syria can mobilize a total of 2,500,000 combatants
November 13th, 2011, 7:19 pm
Ghufran said:
Hamster,
Alqadi is wrong here,however ,inviting NATO in to destroy Syria is unpatriotic,but I support outside observers and mediation because I clearly do not trust the regime.
Majed ,
Iran and turkey are Muslim countries but anybody who gives Syria to them or any foreign power is asking for the end of Syria’s independence.
I am not a member of the SSNP but I understand their suspicion about Arab countries other than Lebanon and Palestine .
November 13th, 2011, 7:21 pm
ann said:
Jordan advised to play it carefully as powers seek more sanctions on Damascus
Saturday, November 19th, 2011
http://www.jordantimes.com/index.php?news=43253
AMMAN –– As economic sanctions against the Syrian regime are set to be broadened, experts stressed that Jordan has to carefully weigh its interests before joining the drive.
With the US and the European Union (EU) still working to put more pressure on Syria to end the violent crackdown on demonstrators through expanding sanctions, the Arab League on Saturday suspended Damascus and said it would impose economic and political sanctions against the Syrian government but did not disclose details or the mechanism of implementation.
On Sunday, US Treasury Assistant Secretary for Terrorist Financing Daniel Glaser arrived in Amman to brief officials on the US and EU sanctions against Bashar Assad’s regime and discuss possible attempts by the Syrian government to evade the sanctions through the Jordanian banking sector, a US embassy statement said.
The statement, which was e-mailed to The Jordan Times, said Glaser was scheduled to meet with banking sector executives “to underscore the importance of Jordan’s continued efforts to maintain a transparent, sound and well regulated financial sector”.
Commenting on Glaser’s visit and on the way the local banking sector would respond to the sanctions, Marwan Awad, chairman of the Association of Banks in Jordan (ABJ), told The Jordan Times over the phone that banks in the Kingdom implement all regulations issued by the Central Bank of Jordan, adding that the central bank is committed to implementing decisions taken by the United Nations rather than individual countries.
ABJ Director General Adli Kandah said Glaser had not met with representatives of local banks by yesterday afternoon.
Economist Jawad Anani indicated that Jordan will find itself with no choice but to implement the sanctions against Syria because the Arab League decisions early this week included economic and political sanctions that are mandatory to member states, including Jordan, which voted for suspending Damascus’ membership in the group.
Internationally, he explained that the US is pushing hard for imposing sanctions against Assad’s regime.
Implementing the sanctions against the northern neighbour will cause large losses to the Kingdom in terms of trade, transport and investments, elaborated Anani, who has served as Royal Court chief and held several ministerial posts, pointing out other interrelated issues between Jordan and Syria such as security and water.
“All these issues will have great costs involved and it is important for Jordan to carefully calculate these costs and their repercussions in the long run,” he emphasised.
What makes Jordan’s stance more complicated, according to Anani, is that the sanctions against Damascus are supported by Gulf countries.
Political and economic analyst Zayyan Zawaneh said although Jordan is only obliged to implement international organisations’ decisions, the US has the power to put pressure on Jordan and other countries to implement the penalties even if the sanctions were not issued by the UN.
The Kingdom has always enjoyed strong relations and strategic interests with Syria as a country, not the regime, he said, noting that decision makers should be careful when responding to the desires of the US and the EU.
“Although Jordan is a small player in the issue of sanctions against Syria endorsed by major powers, it can resist for too long,” Zawaneh, a former adviser at the International Monetary Fund, remarked, adding the country has to study thoroughly its security, political and economic interests with Syria.
Pointing to the Kingdom’s stance towards the crisis in Syria by providing advice to the regime, the analyst expected that Jordan would not be among the first to implement sanctions against its strategic neighbour, whether the penalties are issued by countries or international organisations.
If Jordan is pressured to implement the sanctions, officials should work hard to defend the country’s long-term strategic interests with Syria through drafting a plan for long-term compensations, he said.
“As any sanctions will hurt Jordan’s strategic interests, officials should not accept compensations for a limited number of years in return of damages to our national economy that may last for tens of years,” Zawaneh stressed, warning against repeating the scenario of 2003, when the US invaded Iraq, noting that the compensations Jordan received in terms of US aid cannot be compared to the pre-war era, when Iraq used to supply Jordan with all its needs of oil as a grant in part and at preferential prices for the rest of the imported quantities.
November 13th, 2011, 7:23 pm
bronco said:
Would the Arab League exclude Syria from the AL ministerial meetings on 16 November?
I think it all depends on the outcome of the meeting on Tuesday 15 november of the AL with the opposition where they would ask them to agree on the dialog with Bashar al Assad government, despite their previous refusal.
Davutoglyu met the SNC Sunday 13 November probably to press them to accept the Arab League deal that the SNC have previously rejected.
If the AL failed to obtain that agreement, on Wednesday 16, it will be difficult to justify the expulsion of Syria of the Arab league since the other party of the deal has defaulted.
The Al will therefore ask for more time to negotiate with the SNC, therefore the expulsion of Syria vote will be postponed. Russia and China will stand by Syria
If, with a very big luck, the AL succeeds in convincing the SNC to the conditions of the dialog and its collaboration, then it is possible that the AL will proceed in suspending Syria from the AL ministerial meetings but keep its membership until it is able to honour its part of the agreement.
The dialog will start in parallel with the Syrian government- AL-SNC joint actions to bring security back to Syrian cities.
November 13th, 2011, 7:30 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Ghufran said 1,500,000
Ann said 2,500,000
Common . would someone else say 3,500,000
November 13th, 2011, 7:35 pm
irritated said:
#382 MajedalKaldoon
Should Syria change its name from Syrian Arabic republic to Syrian persian republic?
It’s certainly better that The Syrian Province of the Turkish Republic.
November 13th, 2011, 7:38 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
oooops, forgot something
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B. Alkadi, Fatwa against B. Ghalyoun and his colleagues.
I forgot. Mr. Alkadi (AKA Alqadi) was introduced here as a MODERATE opposition voice. Was it the same time he advocated Surgical Strikes against the not so moderate opposition voice (i.e., those who dare to demonstrate against the regime). Some of us knew he is heading this way, the sewer of fascism.
Again, Enjoy your Fatwaji
November 13th, 2011, 7:39 pm
irritated said:
#390 majedkhaldoun
I’d said 15,000 just like the FSA, why lying?
November 13th, 2011, 7:39 pm
Ghufran said:
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Majed,
What number can make you feel better?
Does it make a difference if the number was 1,2 or 3 million?
I hope you got the point.
November 13th, 2011, 7:40 pm
Majed97 said:
While my vote goes for the Syrian Republic, I’m not sure how he Syrian Persian Republic can be worse than the Syrian Arab Republic?
November 13th, 2011, 7:41 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
” Davutoglyu met the SNC Sunday 13 November probably to press them to accept the Arab League deal that the SNC have previously rejected.”
I am surprised that despite all the aggressive statements we heard from the Turks in regard to the Syrian regime since the AL decision to suspend Syria, you still can’t see that Bashar is not viewed positively by the Turks. Turkey is not pressing the SNC into dialogue. To the contrary, it is planning the toppling of Bashar with the SNC.
Bashar did not see the AL suspension coming. He was in denial. Do not make the same mistake.
November 13th, 2011, 7:43 pm
Ghufran said:
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I hope he brings a helmet to that meeting to protect him from eggs and tomatoes or at least a frying pan to make shazz mazz.
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November 13th, 2011, 7:50 pm
Ghufran said:
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November 13th, 2011, 7:58 pm
ann said:
*** REMEMBER WHEN? ***
Zionists Chair Syrian Opposition Meeting in France – July 9TH, 2011
http://hamsayeh.net/society/921-zionists-chair-syrian-opposition-meeting-in-france-.html
Key Zionist philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy; former French Minister of Foreign Affairs, and major advocate of the war against Iraq Bernard Kouchner; member of the youth movement in the Israeli right wing Likud party Frederick Ansel; and former Knesset member and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak’s advisor Alex Goldfarb who was not questioned by anyone for claiming to be a Syrian opposition member and spokesman of “Democratic change in Syria” assembly; were basic participants in the Syrian opposition conference in Saint-Germain in France.
This “Zionist” atmosphere did not bother the attendees, which Muslim brotherhood representative in Paris, Moulhem Droubi, was among. One young Syrian girl “Souraya” interposed saying: “In this hall there is not one Syrian. In this hall, I only see Zionists.” However, she was immediately interrupted and dragged out by the French security under the eyes of the police.
According to the Lebanese daily As-Safir reporter in France Mohammad Ballout, Frederick Ansel responded to the young girl saying: “Unfortunately, some Arabs still regard Zionism as an insult, although it is a source of pride and honor.”
The Syrian opposition conference on Monday included speeches that called for toppling down the regime, and attacked Iran and Hezbollah, while completely ignoring occupied Palestine and the occupied Golan Heights.
Some speakers condemned “Iran and Hezbollah’s interference in Syria.”
However, representative of the so called “Salvation Front” headed by former Syrian vice-president Abdul Halim Khaddam, Ashraf Al-Moqdad called for “urgent assistance of Western countries,” and defended the participation of racist Zionist figures saying: “We are ready to meet with anyone in order to stop the bloodshed in Syria. The Syrian regime had conducted negotiations with Israel directly and indirectly. Then why can’t we meet with French officials who want to help the Syrian people? “
For his part, Zionist Journalist Bernard Henri-Levy called in a statement the Security Council to refer the Syrian regime to the international tribunal. While Bernard Kouchner went further by saying that the international community should intervene militarily in Syria.
“We went to Libya, and we feel great injustice for leaving the Syrians alone,” he said, calling on “Arab spring” countries to end diplomatic relations with Syria.
Supporters of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s regime as well as opposition activists protested outside the conference location, against opposition parts that do not hesitate to cooperate with Israel to fulfill an apparently international agenda.
November 13th, 2011, 7:58 pm
Ghufran said:
Division about Syria reaches Jordan
http://www.alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=today%5C13z499.htm&arc=data%5C2011%5C11%5C11-13%5C13z499.htm
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November 13th, 2011, 8:03 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
Patriotism
GHUFRAN
Alqadi is wrong everywhere. He is a fascist and his language is just that of fascism.
No one wants intervention, but neither you or me have the right to tell someone whose child was murdered by regime thugs and asking to be protected from the Assad Mafia hyenas that she is not patriotic because she does not want the hyenas to kill her second and only left son. Every time one of the people on this site equivocate, and talk about patriotism, they are aiding and abetting the criminal who is ordering the murders, while sitting and mentally dumping series of none-sense about a nation they know nothing of. The nation is its people, and protecting them is the patriotic duty of their army. Alas, it is their army and those paid by their tax money and money stolen from them who are killing them. So spare me please the theoretical definition of patriotism. The country is ruled by traitors, who are defended on this site by cynics, at best.
A Nation is its people
November 13th, 2011, 8:04 pm
zoo said:
Israel refuses to alert US over Iran attack
Adrian Blomfield, Jerusalem
http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-refuses-to-alert-us-over-iran-attack-20111113-1ndq4.html
ISRAEL has refused to reassure President Barack Obama that it would warn him of a pre-emptive strike on Iran’s nuclear infrastructure, raising fears that it may be planning an attack as early as the next northern summer.
The US leader was rebuffed when he demanded private guarantees that a strike would not go ahead without White House notification, suggesting that Israel no longer plans to ”seek Washington’s permission”, sources said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-refuses-to-alert-us-over-iran-attack-20111113-1ndq4.html#ixzz1ddV2MM9E
November 13th, 2011, 8:05 pm
bronco said:
Tara #396
“Turkey is not pressing the SNC into dialogue. To the contrary, it is planning the toppling of Bashar with the SNC.”
I should have mentioned that Turkey has repeatedly said that it supports fully the Arab League initiative (that includes the dialog with the Syria government that the SNC has rejected).
I guess Turkey for commercial reasons would prefer to be on good terms with the Arab League than please the SNC that could eventually become a headache to Turkey.
November 13th, 2011, 8:15 pm
Ghufran said:
Hamster,
Iraq is a living example of the virtue of military intervention.
Far more Iraqis were,and still are,killed by foreign invasion and civil war than by Saddam.
There is nothing wrong in trying to change the regime without the friendly fire of NATO.
I see no hope for this regime to survive because of what it did to Syria,but NATO is not the answer.
November 13th, 2011, 8:15 pm
Hans said:
Ya Zoo
the only ones who seek Washington permission are the trashy Arabs and the SNC!
Israel runs Obama therefore not need for him to know.
although I don’t understand how can the Israelis plane can make it to Iran without the USA central commands not noticing, it is all empty words for public consumption for stupid Arabs to waste time on it.
November 13th, 2011, 8:17 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Syrian Hamster #401
Excellent comment
November 13th, 2011, 8:22 pm
Ghufran said:
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November 13th, 2011, 8:23 pm
bronco said:
Ghufran #404
By changing the constitution and having a multiparty law and other reforms, the ‘regime’ will cease to exist in the form it is now. It may still keep many of the positive aspects of the institutions while eliminating others. There is no question about it.
I just hope it is given the time to metamorphose itself into a full fledge democracy with new faces and new leadership and save the country from the chaotic future the divided and confused opposition would bring it to.
November 13th, 2011, 8:23 pm
Ghufran said:
Egypt
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/13/egypt-protesters-clashes-security-forces
November 13th, 2011, 8:29 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
“I think it all depends on the outcome of the meeting on Tuesday 15 november of the AL with the opposition where they would ask them to agree on the dialog with Bashar al Assad government, despite their previous refusal.”
Moreover, I don’t think that the meeting on Tuesday between the AL and the opposition is meant to ask them to agree to dialogue with Bashar government despite their previous refusal, but rather to discuss mechanisms for transition. I think the AL would never bring up dialogue again until Bashar unilaterally pulls all armed forces and completely stops the killings for at least a week or two, a condition everyone knows Bashar is incapable of doing.
It is a matter of time until you believe that I have the sixth sense.
November 13th, 2011, 8:30 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
The regime is extremely nervous worried,confused,he realized that military confrontation is imminent,in his mind the fate of Gaddafi,he is begging for a summit,but who will go, none except the lebanese president,he does not realize that he lost his friends, bashar blood sugar must be way high,in the past I said Bashar is extremely slow,he proved it lately,bashar is like someone who missed the court,it closed, he stands outside shouting and yelling he says he wants to go inside,it is too late, the judgement was issued, what you can do is to run away,and hide, to save your life and your family, but agian he is going to be too late.
November 13th, 2011, 8:35 pm
zoo said:
Hans #408
After the US clearly opposed the attacks on Iran and the strong sanctions that Israel has been pushing for, this is probably a threat to Obama.
The message is intended to humiliate Obama as part of a campaign to prevent him from being re-relected.
In the absence of any credible candidate, Obama has high chances to be reelected which is a nightmare for Israel. They’ll do anything to prevent that, even a small attack on an Iranian target, just to flex their muscles. With a ‘liar’ like Netanyahu anything is possible
November 13th, 2011, 8:39 pm
irritated said:
#414 Majedalkhaldoon
What suspenseful cinema scenes, and you are describing them with such inspired talent!
November 13th, 2011, 8:46 pm
Norman said:
Bronco,
i think that Tara is right, the opposition do not want equal access, they and their supporters in the AL want the overthrow of the government of president Assad , so all these talks are just to show that they are trying but the goal is the same, an attack on Syria, Syria should be ready for a rapid change, we should remember that the decision on Libya came suddenly after there was a feeling that nothing will happen and that Qaddafi will be able crush the rebellion.
Dark days are comming to Syria,
November 13th, 2011, 8:46 pm
Ghufran said:
What made many of us less sympathetic to the idea of foreign intervention is our personal experiences not just personal convictions. I happen to know a number of Iraqis who disagree on many things but agree that Iraq was better off being left to handle its own problems than allow others to bomb their country to get a regime change.
If you are still unconvinced go and ask any Iraqi refugee in Syria.
The lesson from Iraq is clear and screaming at us,and Syrians are fully able to change their government without the help of the Ottomans,the GCC and their western friends.
November 13th, 2011, 8:47 pm
bronco said:
Tara #413
In 4 days, we will now if you have James Van Praag’s talent or you surestimate yourself.
November 13th, 2011, 8:51 pm
sheila said:
To Irritating,
I do not know if you can get any more pathetic than this. Now that you can not find anyone else to play macho on, you are showing your muscles against the Palestinians? What do you want from them? You are the type of person who does good expecting a payoff. I do not know what religion you are, but this does not work in any religion. And if you do not believe in religion, this is called indecency. I hope that when Syrians opened their country to the Palestinians it was not to hold them hostages and expect them not to have an opinion of their own ever again.
No one is looking suspiciously on the Palestinians living in Syria except sick people like you.
November 13th, 2011, 8:51 pm
Jacques said:
#202 Newfolder
“this is the beginning of the end of your evil murderous regime, we will have fun dismantling it …… and hanging Bashar and his cronies too ..stay tuned for more ….”
So let’s assume the regime is indeed as you describe it, and I’m not going to discuss this affirmation right now. How would you call what you’re advocating for? Your behaviour and thoughts don’t differ in any way from the regime’s murderous ones. You want to put an end to this regime by replacing in with a similarly terrific one. How is this going to be worse? In the actual case, no matter how tyrannic and monstrous the regime is, it cannot “manipulate” a portion of the population that is not a minority. The regime itself is issued from a ethnic minority, and having a larger portion of the population exerting the same behaviour would be disastrous for the minorities. No matter what degree of tyranny would the actual regime maintain, it will never be as disastrous as having a larger ethnic group holding the same behaviour. What people need to remember is that democracy isn’t obtained as a result of a democratic regime. It’s the total opposite. So before even calling for a change in the political situation in order to reach democracy, try to arrange what is most crucial to a democracy, the people that constitutes it.
However, if we look throughout history, the way emancipation had taken place to lead us to democracy isn’t as spontaneous as one might think. In Europe, or in France most specifically, the french revolution was pumped with the Lumiere’s reflections (an intellectual french movement at the last moment of the monarchy that ultimately lead to the revolution). These as still taken as reference as of today and are taught in philosophical classes in France. So the “cover” of that french revolution at the time was really attractive, and looked so favourable, and it is… but today. The current state France is in, the state of democracy it is in, wasn’t gained miraculously and directly after the revolution. Instead, this was ultimately one of the most terrific and darkest moment of the history of France, this lead to worst direct consequences than the pre-revolution state, words can’t not describe the monstrosity that had taken place. The population simply couldn’t have undergone this transition directly. Isn’t it reminiscent of something?
A saying from the famous french philosoph Hegel in french would say: “Mais ce qu’enseigne l’experience et l’histoire, c’est que les peuples et les gouvernements n’ont jamais rien appris de l’histoire, et n’ont jamais agi suivant des maximes qu’on aurait pu en tirer”.
Or: What history and experience teaches us, is that populations and governments never learned anything from history, and never reacted following maxims that could have been deducted.
If we make the analogy to Syria, basically, democracy is a state we want to reach, and the cover of the revolution seems really favourable and attractive. But that’s not what’s going to happen most certainly, and it would get worse. Will it tend to democracy afterwards, like in the case of France? Absolutely. But in the meantime, there are those terrific consequences that might happen.
However, the status quo is even less favourable, and the situation in Syria cannot remain as such forever.
Is it that hard to learn for once something from history and to evolve in the manner we react in? If revolution isn’t the right way, does it mean, there is no other way? Obviously not, everyone knows it and some were advocating for discussions. Again, now this doesn’t fulfill the expectation of many, and it has shown to be not effective at all either.
So, do we give up and lean towards the only other way we have experienced?
No, and no. I didn’t suggest and I’m not going to suggest in that post any other mean. One of the distinctive feature of human, is it capacity to innovate. Let’s try to do it for once and find an undefined path we would built to reach our goal in the best way possible, and not the easiest.
November 13th, 2011, 8:54 pm
Norman said:
Zoo,
Israel does not have to tell the US because it is not Israel that will attack Iran,Israel can not sustain the attack that is needed to destroy the Iranian nuclear project, and if Israel attacks, Iran can easily retaliate against it and cause significant damage while if the US attacks Iran it can sustain a bombing campaign that can lasts months, Iran can not retaliate against the American land but might retaliate against the basses in the gulf and cause significant damage in these states, all for the better as these states will need western help that they will pay for to rebuild,
November 13th, 2011, 8:56 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
I can always say ” there is a margin of error to any prediction”.
Don’t get mad and don’t tell me about creepy people who connect with a medium. I get scared. You know I am joking… I don’t have the sixth sense. The difference between you and me is that we are painfully similar.
November 13th, 2011, 9:07 pm
bronco said:
Norman $417
Are Russia and China going to be fooled by the AL setting up a trap to Syria and disregarding the key point they have repeatedly asked: The dialog ?
Do you think Russia, China, Iran will let a civil war explode in Syria?
I still hope you and Tara are wrong as that would be a catastrophy whose importance cannot be imagined.
The anger of the pro-regime would be devastating, we have seen only a small sample on the embassies. Heavy weapons will be used.
The country will fall into a full scale civil war that the AL will have to stop by calling again for foreign intervention.
November 13th, 2011, 9:10 pm
ss said:
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November 13th, 2011, 9:12 pm
irritated said:
Sheila
“I do not know if you can get any more pathetic than this”
Yes I can, especially when I read your allusions and suspicions about my religion that tells me more about you than all the pretentious nonsense you write.
November 13th, 2011, 9:20 pm
bronco said:
Tara #423
I share your disclaimer. I too, have moments of doubts. I want Syria to be peaceful and proud, not agitated and humiliated as it could well become with the Turks and the foreigners messing it up .
November 13th, 2011, 9:26 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Had you added “free”, you would have made me cry.
November 13th, 2011, 9:33 pm
Hans said:
Today many innocent Syrians killed in Syria, their only fault that they are expressing their opinions in support of the regime even if some think that they are on the wrong side of history there is no justification of killing Syrians people. Given that the revolution is being hijacked by killers and foreign entities, therefore the terrorists on the ground have the right to shoot at them!
This is the reality of the Arabs democracy is it is one way street, no respect of other opinion or acts.
The terrorists are fighting the regime by killing the innocent Syrians, which make them no different than he regime.
News reports that many of these terrorists are not even Syrians but mercenary soldiers some are Sudanese or other African national being paid by the KSA,USA, to kill the Syrians.
It is clear that the SNC is proud of their act on the street. It is very clear to everyone out there that the Syrian army was never firing at innocent people who didn’t carry weapons, the manipulation was well explained to the Russian and Chinese earlier.
Terrorists already killed more than 1500 Syrians or more.
The bloody hands of the MB all over these acts but the traitors of SNC and other who sold their souls to the devils are proud of it.
I hear people saying that regime is killing kids!!!
don’t put your kids in a dangerous situation and they won’t be killed.
but as we know in the teaching of Islam kids are not counted given that god gives them out and takes them away whenever he will, Therefore, if they are killed they are martyrs…. and what the heck when you have a dozen or more of them who cares if few die the machine is still spitting them out or will get a second or a fourth one.
I think people can’t have their cake and eat it at the same time.
Either you risk your kids in a dangerous condition and shut up or keep them in the house and don’t bring them out where you know there is risk of them being killed.
November 13th, 2011, 9:37 pm
Real Syrian said:
To the Islamic revolutionists in the middle east , I think you do not know more than killing and hate. Minorities should find a deal to unify against your brutal way of life………
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November 13th, 2011, 9:37 pm
Norman said:
Tara,
You can not be proud if you are not free, so cry.!!
November 13th, 2011, 9:39 pm
Tara said:
Norman
So you agree that we were never proud? I hope you do. If so, we have come a long way and I will then cry.
November 13th, 2011, 9:43 pm
zoo said:
“If Syria explodes, this entire region may explode.”
Isolated Damascus….
YUSUF KANLI
http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-refuses-to-alert-us-over-iran-attack-20111113-1ndq4.html
Very much like the “Libya episode” of the “Arab Spring,” the Arab League, frustrated with its pertinent calls for moderation, a halt to use of state’s armed forces on masses demanding “democratic reforms” that would bring landmark individual and social democratic rights to the Arab streets, ruled to excommunicate the Basher al-Assad regime of Syria.
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Yet, no one should think for one moment that Syria might be another Libya. Unlike Libya where former dictator Gadhafi had eliminated all potential “enemies” and left the country with no proper armed forces, Syria has first of all a very-well established state tradition. It has been one of the most consolidated police states of the world, has an extraordinary web of intelligence services and it has remarkable armed forces. A peaceful transition is not possible at all in Syria. As it appears, the country is heading to a bitter civil war, which might not be in the interest of the regional or global game setters, particularly of Turkey.
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If Syria explodes, this entire region may explode. If those who make plans with the assumption that Assad will be another Gadhafi and Syria another Libya don’t wake up from such utopias, I am afraid soon we will all start talking about an even graver situation.
Sunday, November 13, 2011
November 13th, 2011, 9:45 pm
zoo said:
Syrian Politicians and Oppositions comment at AL Decisions
(Dp-news – Sana)
http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=103018
DAMASCUS- In a statement to the United Press International, some of Syrian politicians and opposition figures criticized the Arab League decision on suspending Syria’s membership in the League.
They considered it as a start to internationalize the crisis and a declaration of war on Syria.
Head of “Building the Syrian State” Party Louai Hussein said that the AL decisions aim at internationalizing the situation in Syria, proving that it failed to perform its role and confined itself to issuing decisions.
Hussein added that inviting the Syrian opposition to hold a meeting during three days is impossible because of the different views among these sides which means that the AL intends to hold a meeting with the Syrian National Council only.
For his part, Leader of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP) Dr. Ali Hayder considered the AL decisions as a declaration of war on Syria and first step towards taking it to the UN Security Council through the Arab League.
He added that the decision is a turnabout on the understanding atmospheres which prevailed earlier after Syria’s welcome of the visit of delegations and observers of the AL, accusing Qatar and Saudi Arabia of playing a key role in that.
November 13th, 2011, 9:50 pm
Norman said:
Bronco,
I think that the civil war is underway and the AL will use that to call for a foreign intervention, will Russia and China alloy that, we have remember that the attack on Iraq was not sanctioned by the UN security council.So that is desirable but not needed.
November 13th, 2011, 9:50 pm
ann said:
Fiery Chavez slams West over Syria – November 14 2011
http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/fiery-chavez-slams-west-over-syria-1.1177226?showComments=true
Caracas – Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez lashed out at Washington and its European allies on Sunday over the Syrian crisis, insisting they were preparing the groundwork to topple President Bashar al-Assad just like they worked to “assassinate” Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The firebrand leftist leader of one of the world’s top oil producers has been criticising Western intervention in the Middle East at least since 2000, when he showed support for Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein on a visit to Baghdad.
“The United States and its European allies are intensifying their offensive against Syria, infiltrating terrorists to generate violence, bloodshed and death, just like they did in Libya at the beginning of this year,” Chavez told supporters at a rally in downtown Caracas.
“They managed with bombs not only to topple the Libyan government but to destroy that country and assassinate Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.. and now they are taking aim at Syria,” said Chavez.
The bald Venezuelan leader, 57, who spoke for about an hour at his first open-air public rally since he had surgery in June to remove a malignant tumour, also decried the Arab League’s decision “against the government of Syria”.
On Saturday the Arab League announced Syria’s imminent suspension, drawing international praise but sparking mob attacks on foreign embassies in Damascus.
Chavez had earlier referred to Assad and the late Libyan leader as “brothers”.
Since March Assad’s regime has been trying to suppress a popular revolt, in which more than 3 500 people have been killed, according to UN figures.
In October, the foreign ministers of Venezuela and Cuba led a delegation of leftist Latin American countries to Syria to meet with Assad in a show of support.
After several rounds of chemotherapy, mostly in Cuba, Chavez claimed last month that he was cancer-free. – AFP
November 13th, 2011, 9:54 pm
Norman said:
Tara,
We were proud of some things and not proud of others, having one party system with all the corruption that comes with it is not something to be proud of but supporting Arab and Palestinian rights are.
November 13th, 2011, 9:57 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
The following is what the regime thinks. Some people on this board argue that what the regime thinks is erroneous. But they can’t argue that this is not what the regime thinks.
November 13th, 2011, 10:00 pm
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November 13th, 2011, 10:03 pm
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November 13th, 2011, 10:08 pm
jad said:
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November 13th, 2011, 10:08 pm
Revlon said:
363. Dear Ghufran, you said: “ Denying that the regime still has support inside Syria may sooth the sour feelings of many but it does not bring us any closer to a solution. Those regime supporters who are not clearly indicated in killing civilians must be included in any future political dialogue and so does the army. Those people are Syrian too and not every regime supporter is a criminal that must be jailed or excluded from talks about a regime change”
Supporters of the regime, irrespective of religion/ideology or ethnicity share various degrees of responsibility for ongoing crimes against civilians.
Those found to be suspected to have had physically participated in ordering, organizing, facilitating, and executing crimes against civilians, and their properties shall have a fair chance to defend themselves before independent, and internationally observed civil court of justice. If indicted they shall never be qualified to hold a public post or be employed in public sector.
Those found to have had freely and publically morally supported the regime while being aware of their ongoing crimes against civilians shall be liable for acting as accomplices to such crimes.
The argument is that it would be logical and probable to assume that their support may have been misconstrued by the regime as an approval and legitimizing of their crackdown, resulting in prolonging civilians plight and causing more and potentially avoidable loss of lives.
Such supporters would have to clear their record in civil courts of justice before becoming eligible to hold any public position.
If indicted, they shall never be qualified to hold a public post or be employed in public sector.
Regime campers who present credible reasons for acquiescing to the regime, such as for fear for their lives or living, yet did not proactively support them, shall have no problem carrying on with their lives as before.
November 13th, 2011, 10:10 pm
Darryl said:
341. NORMAN said:
“Shami,Tara, Bronco,
We said the same thing about Israel, you might be too young to remember, but the Arabs thought that they can spit and drown the Jews, and that Israel can not survive between all these Arabs, look where we are now, Israel is the most advanced in the Mideast and we are fighting each other.”
Dear Norman, the Arabs have more important things to do like, well we need to settle on what is the proper length of the beard to get to heaven. The Salafi and Saudi Sheikhs say a man’s beard should be as long as possible like caliph Omar’s (your hero).
The Shia Sheikhs on the other hand, say it should not be longer than what you can grab with your hand. There are millions of Arab men who are at risk if the issue is not settled. This is especially important as we still do not know what pleases Allah so that the one sect in 73 gets in. So who cares about semiconductors, microelectronics, Gene therapy, IT etc etc.
See Tara, you asked why the Shias have smallish beards some weeks ago and now you know the answer. I do all this research and provide information for you and you still accuse me of being Islamophobe.
November 13th, 2011, 10:10 pm
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http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionID=2002&ChannelID=47411&ArticleID=1261
November 13th, 2011, 10:10 pm
bronco said:
Tara #435
Sorry to disappoint you. I always thought that among all Arabs, the Syrians were the most nationalistic, genuine, unpretetentious, non sectarian, generous and proud people.
It is a country loved by all Arabs (with some exceptions)
Many foreigners who lived in Syria share my views.
I am not sure if a humiliated, unpoverished, wounded and revengeful Syria will be the same.
I look at the Libyans and I pity them. They had to beg for foreign help to liberate their country. In what I hear now, after a period of euphoria, we can see the resentment creeping in against their saviours, Qatar in particular.
They lost their pride by owing their ‘victory’ to foreigners.
I am convinced that just to regain some of their pride, they will become a hard line islamic country, rejecting the ‘advices’ and the ‘control’ the Christian Western countries are trying to impose on them.
I wish Syria could achieve even half of a victory without the need of foreigners.
November 13th, 2011, 10:10 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
I love the Grand Mufti; he has been superb this year. Here’s his most recent nugget, 13 Nov 2011, via http://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria?sk=wall
The opposition doesn’t have a reform program that differs from the regime’s reform program.
November 13th, 2011, 10:13 pm
???? said:
343. TARA said:
Btw, I have no issues with the principals of Baath party. I always thought that the Baath principles in theory are good and noble.
Tara,
Ba’ath principles are not just bad in theory, they are evil. They are the source to our nightmare in Syria today.
The Ba’ath party has been evil from the outset. They took power thru a military coup. They denied others their political rights. Its call for secularism was not really a call for the separation of church/mosque and state. They suppressed freedom of religion.
As for socialism, they destroyed the country economically. They stole people’ properties. They destroyed all industries. We had companies in the fifties that would be world class by today’s standards. They created class warfare. They destroyed the middle class.
Their call for pan-Arab unionism was nothing but a propaganda to advance their own interest (the proof is their reaction today to the blessed Arab resolutions yesterday)
If there was anything noble about the Ba’ath ideology, you would’ve seen some positive results. They failed at everything. They destroyed every aspect of life in syria. The proof is today’s Syria- a failed state.
November 13th, 2011, 10:13 pm
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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/25633
November 13th, 2011, 10:15 pm
zoo said:
“The largely peaceful protests have turned increasingly violent, because an estimated 25,000 defectors fought back against loyal government troops. This was the heart of the dilemma that confronted Damascus, given that 25,000 deserters, if confirmed, represented approximately 15 per cent of all active personnel”
Military machine under threat
By Joseph A. Kechichian, Special to Gulf News
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/military-machine-under-threat-1.929746
Army fails to suppress protests across country as tensions rise
In the aftermath of the latest political clashes between the Syrian government and the Arab League, will tensions now escalate, and will the country witness a full-fledged militarisation on the ground?
What will the consequences of such steps be for the Syrian Army? Will it split, or will Damascus rely on its raw capabilities to muzzle opposition forces? Will the regime rely on the army to play the Kurdish card against Turkey, perhaps by launching a Kurdish counteroffensive along the borders, even at the risk of retaliation?
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November 13th, 2011, 10:33 pm
jad said:
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November 13th, 2011, 10:40 pm
zoo said:
Arab League: Preparing for Syria After Assad
By: Basheer al-Baker
Published Monday, November 14, 2011
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/arab-league-preparing-syria-after-assad
In a surprise vote last Saturday, the Arab League effectively suspended Syria’s membership in the organization. The decision appears to mark the beginning of a transitional period preparing Syrians for life after Assad.
Although it reflects a change in their position, the Arab League’s recent resolution regarding Syria did not come out of nowhere. It is the product of four months of negotiations and haggling over the situation in Syria.
From the beginning, the League insisted that it was working to help both the Syrian regime and the opposition to find a solution without recourse to the UN, by keeping it within the Arab house, as it were.
Arab League Secretary General Nabil al-Arabi and Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem, currently heading the ministerial committee on Syria, have maintained that the League’s aim is to prevent foreign intervention in Syria, so as not to repeat the Libyan scenario.
However, despite continued assurances that Syria is not Libya, many observers have begun to say that regardless of the differences between the two cases, there is nothing stopping the Syrian situation from playing out as it did in Libya.
Over the past month, it has become increasingly clear that the Arab states are taking up the Syrian case only to place it before before the UN under the banner of protecting civilians.
The Arab League’s resolution has not only violated the terms for suspending a member-state – which requires the agreement of all members – but it has further positioned the pan-Arab body as a side in the Syrian crisis. Paragraphs 2,3, and 6 of the resolution make this abundantly clear.
The resolution’s second paragraph aims to provide protection for Syrian civilians through Arab organizations, and “in the event that acts of violence and killing do not cease, the Secretary General [of the Arab League] will contact international organizations concerned with humans rights, including the UN…”
Over the past month, it has become increasingly clear that the Arab states are taking up the Syrian case only to place it before before the UN under the banner of protecting civilians. This paragraph clearly opens the door to internationalizing the crisis via the Arab League. It meets the calls of the Syrian opposition for “international protection,” and can be considered an open adoption of the Syrian National Council’s repeated demands that the Arab League bring the Syrian crisis to the UN Security Council.
The third paragraph asks “the Syrian Arab Army to not participate in acts of violence and killing against civilians.” On the surface, such a statement appears to stem from a purely humanitarian concern, but in so far as it calls for the soldiers to rebel, it gains importance in light of the growing number of Syrian military defections.
If the numbers cited Saturday by Ammar al-Wawi, an officer in the opposition Syrian Free Army, are correct, the number of defectors is increasing daily and has already reached 25,000.
The Arab League seems to be offering legal cover to defectors that could form a reliable base in some of the northern border regions close to Turkey, where it is said many soldiers who have left the army are gathering.
The sixth paragraph of Saturday’s resolution is the most important, since it is unprecedented in the history of the Arab League. It calls for “all sides of the Syrian opposition to meet at the Arab League headquarters within three days to agree upon a unified vision for the coming transitional period in Syria.”
This signifies that the Arab states have begun planning for the post-Assad era, talking about a “transitional period” rather than a mere solution to the crisis. This matter appears to be settled as far as the Arab League is concerned, and all that is left is to do is to agree with the opposition on the details and arrangements.
Until the Arab League’s November 16 suspension deadline arrives, there will be meetings in Doha and Cairo between opposition figures and Arab officials in order to work out a unified vision for what comes next. This step is intended to help build international consensus on a position towards Syria in the Security Council.
Many believe that the League’s acknowledgement of the Syrian opposition will begin the process of politically isolating the Assad regime, and may be followed by its embassies and missions being surrendered to the opposition.
November 13th, 2011, 10:46 pm
jad said:
Collection of comments by As’ad Abukhalil
Demonstrations in Syria
When you tell a story about a country, you are obligated to tell that story and to report on the various narratives regardless whether its fits your political agenda or not. That is not the case with the Zionist Western press or with the Saudi-, Qatari-funded Arab press. There were massive demonstrations in Syria in support of the lousy regime, but they were totally ignored in the Arabic and Western press. It does not fit the agenda.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Corrupt Arab Opposition
Here is my definition from my FB page of a corrupt (politically) Arab opposition: it is one that takes a soft or compromising stance toward Israel and its war crimes; it accepts foreign intervention to boost its fortunes; it establishes links with repressive governments in the region; and its lies and deceives. The Syrian National Council, the NATO transitional Council fit the bill, for example.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Syria between two counter-revolutions
The Syrian people is caught between two counter-revolutions: the regional one spearheaded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar (supported by US and its clients) and the local one perpetrated by the Syrian regime (supported by Iran and its allies). It is not an easy task to launch an assault by the Syrian people against two counter-revolutions.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Pro-Saudi Syrian Opposition
Let me be clear. My criticisms of the Syrian opposition does not apply to the brave Syrian protesters or to various opposition trends suppressed in Syrian jails. It applies to the pro-Saudi elements of the opposition: those Ikhwan and their liberal affiliates (the March 14 movement of Syria). I realize I now oppose them in the same degree that I oppose the lousy Syrian regime. To the same degree. People say that we should wait until a group reaches power before we criticize them. Really? It would be too late then. The gallows would have been mounted. As a youth I spoke against any leftist alliance with Khumayni during the Iranian Revolution, and I speak forcefully against any alliance with the lousy and politically corrupt elements of the opposition in any Arab country. The Syrian National Council is a lousy tool of the Arab tyrannical order. I participated in a day-long conference at UC, Berkeley. In the plenary panel, I was with a supporter of the Syrian National Council, along with others. I could not believe that schtick of that element of the opposition. The person in question basically gave this narrative: that the uprising in Syria is led by two women only: Suhayr Atasi and Razan Zaytunah. And that the entire Syrian National Council and their supporters in Syria demand secularism for Syria and democracy. She said that Ikhwan has no role whatsoever inside in the country. I hope the session is somewhere in video and would be available soon. And since she had to leave right after her remarks I asked for a chance to respond quickly to that narrative. As soon as I started, she started yelling and screaming and doing what PLO representatives used to do in debates in the US when I first came to US (they used to resort to shouts and screams and tears, hoping that it would evoke emotions in the audience. It never worked, of course). I reminded the audience that when i was in Washington, DC in the 1980s, the Islamic fanatical terrorist groups that were fighting the communists in Afghanistan, used to do the same dog and pony show that supporters and representatives of the Syrian National Council are now doing in Western cities. The Afghan Mujahdin (the friends and comrades of Bin Laden) used to tour US cities and used to do a dog and pony show and used to speak about the future Afghanistan that they had in mind: they also spoke about women’s rights and about a new democracy. Well, they gave us the Taliban. We don’t have to wait long to see what the Ikhwan has in mind for Syria. Look at Libya. It is right there. People like me were saying that the pro-Qatari Islamists and Bin Ladenites in Libya will be bringing an Islamic state, even while putting civilian left-overs from the Qadhdhafi dictatorship up front to speak to Western audiences. Those forces stole the glorious popular uprising of the Libyan people just as the Ikhwan and their affiliates are trying to steal the glorious uprising of the Syrian people. We should speak forcefully: for the overthrow of the Syrian regime at once. The blood letting has not stopped and the Asad dictatorship complains about the Arab league while continuing to kill Syrians. We should also speak against the lousy Syrian National Council. It is just another NATO opposition group that should not enjoy any minute in power. We need to move from the Ba`th to a new political order not tainted with Gulf money and NATO agendas. The charade should end.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Impudence of the Syrian government
The Syrian government is characterized by waqahah (impudence): it complaints about the Arab League and then continues to kill protesters.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Arab League and the Syrian Crisis
By As’ad AbuKhalil – Sun, 2011-11-13 11:04- Angry Corner
The Arab League has been flexing its muscles as of late. It authorized NATO bombings in Libya and it has denied that it has invited NATO to serve as the official guardian of Arabism in the world. There is a reason why the Arab League is showing firmness toward the Syrian regime: never in the history of the League has there been such a firm control of its affairs by one or two governments.
The Arab League has always been torn asunder by the famous Arab disputes, divisions, and wars. There were always rival camps within the Arab League which kept it frozen or rendered it a place for secret intrigues and conspiracies. Arab leaders often met behind closed doors only to exchange insults and accusations. In the 1970s, Saddam Hussein and Hafez Assad did not refrain from referring to one another in obscene terms. Nasser, in his heyday (prior to 1967), had tremendous influence among the Arab people but he could not translate his influence within the League because all the monarchies and sheikhdoms were subservient to Saudi Arabia, and because the Ba`thist regimes rarely, if ever, wished to help him.
After the outbreak of the bloody Arab uprisings (it is offensive to refer to the uprisings as “the Arab springs” when blood is on the streets of Arab capitals — maybe it is the spring time for the Western calendar), Saudi Arabia took matters into its own hands. It no more felt it could trust Arab affairs to the US and its control. It wished that the US let Mubarak massacre as many of his people as necessary to stay in power. Saudi Arabia struck an unusual alliance with its bitter rival, Qatar, within the GCC. The purpose was to preserve the regimes of the GCC and to counter the trends of the Arab uprisings by imposing a rigid tyrannical order that would not allow any dissent. Those regimes that were not on good terms with the GCC became objects of GCC conspiracies.
This, of course, should not give credibility to the propaganda of the Syrian regime that does not want to give legitimacy to the grievances of Syrian protesters. Those people are not tools in GCC hands. They have been suffering under the tyrannical regime of Assad — father and son, since 1970. They have had enough. But the GCC became a player in the affairs of every other country. They would not allow things to get out of their hands. They interfered in the affairs of opposition forces to deprive any movement from freedom of action. Money is not an issue, nor moral or political consistency.
The new move by the Arab League against the Syrian regime should be read as part of the new rule of the new Arab League. Its secretary general, Nabil al-Arabi, was sacked from his position as Egyptian foreign minister when he made statements that welcomed normalization of relations between Egypt and Iran. GCC countries complained and al-Arabi was expelled to the Arab League. A more subservient foreign minister took his place.
It would be foolhardy for the Syrian people to trust the intentions of the Arab League. This is a body that is led by some of the worst offenders of human rights the world over. The GCC countries never expressed any respect for the suffering of the Syrian people: they bankrolled the Assad tyranny for years. Any hope placed on the Arab League by any Syrian will be dashed. They can just as easily and quickly strike a deal with the Syrian regime at the expense of the Syrian people. The region is changing fast: GCC countries are getting more aggressive, and Arab countries facing uprisings continue to kill people in large numbers.
But the rules of the game are not entirely set but the Arab League’s new masters. GCC countries are dealing with a new environment where “masked men” have bombed the Egyptian gas pipeline to Israel for the 7th time. And more “masked men” will be seen roaming the Arab streets in the near future.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/angry-corner/arab-league-and-syrian-crisis
November 13th, 2011, 10:54 pm
ann said:
AL chief visits Libya, says premature to recognize Syrian opposition
2011-11-14
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/14/c_131244439.htm
TRIPOLI, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) — The Arab League (AL) Secretary General, Nabil al-Arabi, said here Sunday that it is premature to recognize the Syrian opposition at this moment, calling for a more significant role of Libya in regional affairs.
“The AL has consistently asked the Syrian government to stop killing and detaining civilians since four months ago. We are trying to help the press to enter Syria to find out who is responsible for the bloodshed,” the AL chief said, adding that it was premature now to recognize the Syrian opposition.
Arabi’s remarks came one day after a total of 18 member nations of the 22-nation AL agreed to suspend the activities of Syrian delegation in the pan-Arab body, while Lebanon, Yemen and Syria voted against it and Iraq abstained.
Meanwhile, Arabi said the AL and Libyan authorities have reached a certain understanding on the AL’s role in the rebuilding of Libya, wishing it can play a more significant role in regional affairs.
“Unlike the experiences of Tunisia and Egypt, the Libyan people have sacrificed a lot for their freedom,” the AL chief said after holding talks with the head of Libya’s ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) Abdul Jalil. “I greatly admire their achievements.”
On his part, Jalil welcomed Arabi’s visit by hailing the historical role that AL played in the liberation of the Libyan people.
“The Arab League has played a courageous and historical role in our revolution,” said Jalil, hoping the two sides can bear more promising cooperation in the future.
Concerning about the fighting between local armed groups near Tripoli, Jalil assured the Libyan people by saying that the NTC was working on this issue.
“We are getting closer to restore stability now, we are working to achieve something soon,” said Jalil.
Clashes between two local armed groups on the outskirts of Tripoli had lasted for two days after one side called the other one supporters of fallen Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, leaving several killed.
November 13th, 2011, 10:56 pm
???? said:
jAD, ZooZoo, and Ann,
Do you get paid by the word you post?
November 13th, 2011, 11:11 pm
ann said:
456. ????
are you ashamed of using your real name?
November 13th, 2011, 11:15 pm
Hans said:
“Let the Arabs kill the Arabs and let the Muslims kill the Muslims”
This is the best cheap policy the Zionists came up with and have the Americans do the dirty work to achieve it.
congratulation to every Arab and Muslim on killing each others, no cost policy… in the last 40 years there have not been any year where there was no killing on going in the Arab world.
No American or Israeli causality and guess what? we will use drones, air power if you ask us but you pay the bill in oil or cash. I love the idea that the KSA still paying America the first bill from gulf war 1.
As long as we have people like the GSC will continue to have wars in the Arab world who cares someone paying for it.
November 13th, 2011, 11:18 pm
zoo said:
Iran says Arab League’s Syria move unhelpful
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/us-syria-iran-idUSTRE7AC0UX20111113
TEHRAN (Reuters) – Iran said Sunday the Arab League’s decision to suspend Syria was unhelpful and played into the hands of foreign countries at a time when President Bashar al-Assad’s reforms should be given a chance.
“The statement of the Arab League about developments in Syria will not only not help to solve the problem but will complicate the issue,” Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast was quoted as saying by state broadcaster IRIB.
Non-Arab Iran is closely allied with Syria and both support militant groups Hamas and Hezbollah and while Tehran has backed uprisings of the “Arab Spring” that have toppled Sunni Muslim dictators, it has maintained support for Assad, a member of the minority Alawite sect.
“The issuance of the Arab League statement happened as foreign forces are trying to interfere in the internal affairs of Syria,” Mehmanparast said, calling for dialogue and actions “in line with maintaining peace and stability.”
“The ground is prepared for success in the reforms being implemented by the president of Syria and the people of that country.”
Syria has called for an emergency summit of Arab League heads of state in an apparent attempt to thwart the suspension decision.
November 13th, 2011, 11:20 pm
zoo said:
#456. ????
“jAD, ZooZoo, and Ann,
Do you get paid by the word you post?”
Of course, I never work for free? Do you?
November 13th, 2011, 11:22 pm
ann said:
*** OOPS! ***
Cracks show as Arab League to meet again on Syria
Posted by AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE on November 14, 2011
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2011/11/cracks-show-as-arab-league-to-meet-again-on-syria/
DAMASCUS, Nov 14 – The Arab League is to hold a fresh meeting on Syria on Wednesday, an official said, amid signs of cracks in the resolve of the 22-member bloc to suspend Damascus over its lethal crackdown on protests.
Sunday’s announcement of a new meeting came just a day after the League announced Syria’s imminent suspension, drawing international praise but sparking mob attacks on foreign embassies in Damascus.
“We have decided on a meeting of foreign ministers of the Arab League on November 16 at Rabat, on Syria,” on the sidelines of a Turkey-Arab world forum, Algerian foreign ministry spokesman Amar Belani told AFP in Algiers.
Belani said that at a meeting in Cairo on November 2, the Arab League’s foreign ministers had decided to give Syria 15 days to implement a peace plan Damascus had agreed that day with the League.
Saturday’s vote to suspend Syria from the Arab League was not consistent with that earlier decision, he added.
Earlier Sunday, Algerian Foreign Minister Mourad Medelci had suggested that the Arab League’s suspension of Syria from its ranks was only temporary.
“The suspension of Syria is temporary and we will be able to lift it as quickly as possible,” he said at a joint press conference with Egyptian Foreign Minister Mohammed Kamel Amer.
The League’s foreign ministers at a meeting in Cairo on Saturday voted 18-22 to suspend Syria with effect from November 16 over its failure to comply with an agreement to end its crackdown on protests, which according to the United Nations have left at 3,500 people dead since mid-March.
Syria, Yemen and Lebanon voted against the measure while Iraq abstained.
The foreign ministers recommended the withdrawal of Arab envoys from Damascus and agreed on sanctions, while inviting “all currents in the Syrian opposition” to meet at its Cairo headquarters in Cairo to map out a transition.
It said the suspension would remain in place until President Bashar al-Assad implements the November 2 accord which his government signed, in which Damascus was to release detainees, withdraw the army from urban areas, allow free movement for observers and media, and negotiate with the opposition.
The Arab League resolution won widespread praise from the international community, with UN chief Ban Ki-moon praising the “strong and courageous” call, while the opposition Syrian National Council said the decision was a “step in the right direction.”
In a surprise announcement seen as an attempt to head off the suspension, Syrian state television said on Sunday Damascus had called for an urgent summit of the Arab League “to address the crisis and its negative consequences in the Arab world.”
The report came even as Arab League head Nabil al-Arabi was announcing that the pan-Arab group would be “studying mechanisms it could implement to protect civilians in Syria.”
Arabi hailed the League’s decision to suspend Syria as “historic,” and said it had called for the “international protection” of civilians in the country as it did not have the means to act alone.
The League’s decision prompted an outpouring of anger among Assad’s supporters who surged in their tens of thousands into central Damascus on Sunday to show their support for the president.
“The Syrian people are filling the squares of the nation and announce their rejection of the Arab League decision,” state television said, showing more protests in the commercial hub of Aleppo and other cities.
Late Saturday, hundreds of angry demonstrators had attacked the embassies of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which were among the countries that voted to suspend Syria. The attacks sparked howls of international outrage.
“The Saudi government strongly condemns this incident and holds the Syrian authorities responsible for the security and protection of all Saudi interests in Syria,” SPA quoted the Saudi foreign ministry as saying on Sunday.
Anatolia news agency said thousands of protesters had also attacked Turkey’s diplomatic missions in Syria, furious over Ankara’s support for the Arab League decision.
In response, Turkey ordered the evacuation of non-essential diplomatic personnel from Syria, Anatolia reported.
“The attitude of the Syrian government… demonstrates the need for the international community to respond with a united voice to the serious developments in Syria,” Turkey’s foreign ministry said in a statement.
France also condemned protesters’ attacks on diplomatic missions in Syria and summoned the Syrian ambassador.
Russia meanwhile said it will continue exporting arms to Syria since no international decision has been made outlawing it.
“Since there is no restriction on arms deliveries to Syria, Russia respects its contractual obligations with the country,” deputy director of the Russian Federal Military and Technical Cooperation Service (FSVTS) Viacheslav Dzirkaln said at the Dubai air show, as quoted by the news agency Interfax.
November 13th, 2011, 11:23 pm
???? said:
“457. ANN said:
456. ????
are you ashamed of using your real name?”
Im very proud of my name.
You know Ann, here’s a contemporary Syrian real life story. Once upon a time in the 20th and into the 21st century, there was an illegitimate ruler who passed the country on to his son. They were (notice it’s in the past tense) both brutal. They imprisoned and tortured the Syrian Citizens for just simply speaking their minds. ???? is a real life hero unlike superman, batman, or spiderman.
No go to sleep, you’re off the clock. You won’t get overtime. Besh is going bankrupt.
November 13th, 2011, 11:29 pm
???? said:
460. ZOO said:
#456. ????
Of course, I never work for free? Do you?
yes I do this for free. I love my country.
November 13th, 2011, 11:32 pm
ann said:
Russia “ready to assist Syrian dialogue”
http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=102838
HAWAII- Even though the substance of the APEC summit is officially focused on economics, a range of political issues have been surfacing too.
Russia believes it is important for negotiations to take place and says that it intends to help kick-start these talks in Syria. The Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said it is the only responsible thing to do.
“Some opposition groups, particularly those based in Turkey and the US, are boycotting any calls for dialogue,” Lavrov said.
Lavrov expressed regret over the fact that certain representatives of the Syrian opposition, especially those residing in the United States and in Turkey, are boycotting any proposals aimed at the talks with the Syrian authorities.
“We will attempt to convince [the opposition] to take a more constructive approach and to care about their country,” the minister said.
A delegation of the opposition Syrian National Council is expected to visit Moscow next week to meet with Lavrov and Russian lawmakers.
“This position can be neither supported nor understood. We will continue to encourage the opposition to act more constructively and to show concern about their country and the Syrian people.” Lavrov added.
Russia believes it is important to avoid a Libya scenario when it comes to Syria. However, this is certainly not the only political issue that is being touched upon.
Russia is willing to help the opposing sides in the Syrian political crisis to start a reconciliation dialogue, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday.
Opposition leaders maintain that Syrian authorities continue to use force against “peaceful demonstrations” and many people were killed or injured as a result.
“We feel the responsibility to make everything possible to initiate an internal dialogue in Syria,” Lavrov said after a meeting of APEC foreign ministers in Honolulu.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, expressed her country’s views on the unrest sparked by anti-government protests in Syria, saying America believes that the Syrian president should step down.
“Regarding Syria, we discussed the ongoing and escalating violence perpetrated by the Assad government against its own people,” Clinton said. “Our position is clear – we are supporting a peaceful transition. Assad has lost his legitimacy to rule and he should step down.”
According to UN estimates, more than 3,500 people have been killed in Syria since mid-March, when first protests against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime began.
Russia and China vetoed in October a UN Security Council draft resolution that urged the Syrian regime to immediately stop using violence against protesters or face “targeted measures.”
However, Moscow and Beijing have called on the Syrian government to quickly carry out its commitment of political reform and to resume and promote an inclusive political process that involves the wide participation of all parties in the country.
November 13th, 2011, 11:42 pm
zoo said:
Channel 4 News is broadcasting extraordinary footage tonight of Syria’s fledgling revolutionary army, smuggling themselves into the country illegally from Lebanon and in the dead of night.
The fighters of the “Syrian Free Army” claim that they operate under a unified command based in Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan as well as inside Syria itself. Estimates of their numbers go as high as 15,000, which may well be an exaggeration, yet the situation on the ground is clearly changing.
http://blogs.channel4.com/world-news-blog/on-patrol-with-the-syrian-free-army/19162
November 13th, 2011, 11:43 pm
zoo said:
463. ????
“yes I do this for free. I love my country.”
Don’t we all?
November 13th, 2011, 11:50 pm
???? said:
466. ZOO said:
463. ????
“yes I do this for free. I love my country.”
Don’t we all?
Nope
November 13th, 2011, 11:55 pm
ann said:
ABOUD your lack of sleep is negatively affecting your brain and behavior. Also refusing to take your medications is seriously contributing to the deterioration of your mental illness.
SEEK HELP!
November 14th, 2011, 12:14 am
ann said:
*** WOULD YOU TRUST THIS TURKISH CARPETBAGGER? ***
Turkey FM: We oppose any military strike on Iran – Nov. 12, 2011
Turkish FM Davutoglu says that nuclear weapons should be eliminated from all countries of the Middle East.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/turkey-fm-we-oppose-any-military-strike-on-iran-1.395174
Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Saturday that his country opposes any military strike on Iran, AFP reported, citing the Anatolia news agency.
“We do not think it is right even to talk of possible military intervention in the region…We are against such intervention and believe it would create more instability,” Davutoglu was quoted as saying in the AFP report.
In reference to Israel, Davutoglu said that it “is unacceptable that countries suspected of having nuclear weapons cause new tensions in our region.”
Davutoglu called for nuclear weapons to be eliminated in all countries of the Middle East.
The U.S. and Israel have not ruled out conducting military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities.
Tensions over Iran’s nuclear program increased this week following the release of an IAEA report which found that Iran has been working to build a nuclear weapon since 2003.
November 14th, 2011, 12:25 am
???? said:
468. ANN said:………
I’m no psychiatrist. But you seem obsessed with Aboud.
November 14th, 2011, 12:26 am
ann said:
I’m just concerned about the poor little fellow.
Hey, if you hear from him give him those numbers they might save his life:
1-800-suicide
1-800-274-talk
1-800-799-4tty (Hotline For The Deaf)
November 14th, 2011, 12:37 am
ann said:
Is Iran’s Ahmadinejad Hinting At Non-Violent Response to Israel?
November 13, 2011
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Is-Iran-s-Ahmadinejad-Hint-by-Sherwood-Ross-111113-385.html
If Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convinces his cabinet to okay an attack Iran’s nuclear sites, Israel may suffer a diplomatic disaster.
Never mind that Netanyahu’s own top military and intelligence advisers are said to oppose the scheme. Never mind the Secretary-General of the UN is against it. Never mind U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta warns an Israeli attack could trigger “unintended consequences” such as “a serious impact on U.S. forces in the region.”
Israel’s overt use of force will isolate it diplomatically from the world community as never before. It’s not just the Muslim world that’s unhappy with Israel’s recent conduct.
There is widespread criticism over Israel’s attack on a relief “Freedom Flotilla” of aid-carrying vessels attempting to break the siege of Gaza; over Israel’s announcement of construction of 2,000 more homes in West Bank Jerusalem, and over Israeli foot-dragging on negotiations for a Palestinian state, favored by a great majority of General Assembly members but thwarted by USA’s Security Council veto.
UNESCO’s emotional reception Oct. 31st for its new Palestinian Authority members after a lopsided 107-14 vote reflects the world’s sympathetic attitude toward Palestinians and their right to nationhood. It also reflects the UN’s displeasure with Israel. The vote came in spite of the threat of a U.S. fund cut-off that would wipe out 22% of UNESCO’s budget if it voted Palestine in.
Now news reports are flying that Israel is considering an attack on Iran’s nuclear sites before Christmas—denied by Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak. The Israelis, who refuse to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty—and are said to have got some 200-plus nuclear weapons in their own arsenal—are determined that Iran shall not make even one. (Iran insists its work to enrich uranium is to boost electricity output, not to make a bomb.)
Mohamed ElBaradei, former Director-General of the IAEA, said recently there is no “shred of evidence” that Iran is turning the atom to military use. Yet Israel chooses to believe IAEA’s latest report under its new Japanese director implying Iran is walking the military road.
Uri Avnery, an Israeli peace activist and former Knesset member, writes in ” Palestine Chronicle” that Israeli threats are so much bluff and bluster. His article is titled, “Israel Will Not Attack Iran. Period.” ” In a rare show of unity, all of Israel’s service chiefs, including the heads of the Mossad and Shin Bet, are publicly opposing the whole idea.” Avnery explains why: “An Israeli assault on a major Muslim country would instantly unite Sunnis and Shiites, from Egypt and Turkey to Pakistan and beyond. Israel could become a villa in a burning jungle.”
And he predicts “it is quite certain that with the beginning of a war, missiles will rain down on Israel — not only from Iran, but also from Hizbollah, and perhaps also from Hamas. We have no adequate defense for our towns. The amount of death and destruction would be prohibitive.”
At a time when as many as 100,000 protesters have taken the streets seeking funds for human needs, out come the politicos with an Iran scare. Avnery mocks them, writing, “We need every shekel to buy more planes, more bombs, more submarines. Schools and hospitals must, alas, wait.” (Sounds a lot like what’s happening in America as military contractors reap historic profits while human needs are ditched.)
Meanwhile, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon “reiterates his belief that a negotiated rather than a military solution is the only way to resolve this issue,” a UN spokesman told AP. Avnery predicts Iran’s armed forces chief General Hasan Firouzabadi will respond militarily to an Israeli strike but Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has hinted at a radically different response.
Reiterating Iran’s stance that it is not involved in making a nuclear weapon, he added: “They should know that if we want to remove the hand of the U.S. from the world, we do not need bombs and hardware. We work based on thoughts, culture and logic.”
Is Ahmadinejad hinting at a non-violent response to an Israeli attack? That would be both novel and welcome on the international stage. It would recall the successful strategies of Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King. And it would stand out in stark relief to Israel’s use of force, particularly if an Israeli strike spread radioactivity across Iran and other countries.
November 14th, 2011, 12:47 am
Dale Andersen said:
I LOVE THE ARAB SPRING!
November 14th, 2011, 1:01 am
jad said:
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http://youtu.be/W4NNHucyHoA
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November 14th, 2011, 1:44 am
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
No wards about Fatwaji
Anyone cares to make a statement about Shaikh Bassam Alqadi murderous Fatwa?
didn’t think so.
And by the way, any one knows anything about Najati Tayyara, thought that the regime complied (my tail) with the AL initiative 10 days ago according to ZOO. Why is Najati Tayyara still in Jail even though he advocated peaceful protest and Shaikh Alqadi is still out despite of his fatwa for murder.
Think, you may regain some capacity for that
November 14th, 2011, 2:58 am
Mina said:
Norman,
I am afraid you are a bit naive here. Indeed “fi l ghurba”, people get closer on a minimal common element, but ask the Yemenis if they consider that the Syrian and Iraqi Christians are Arabs and you’ll be surprised (don’t even try to explain the martyrs of Najran).
And if you think the North African Berbers are happy with the “umma arabiyya” idea, again, you are deluded.
Why trying to claim the existence of something that doesn’t exist? Let the Gulf to its own problem instead of giving it access to the Mediterranean. Moroccans and Syrians, by the way, share in their history the fate of the Umeyyad dynasty, and the travels between Syria and Andalus were intensive, no doubt, but ask the Syrians what they think of the Tunisians…
The Gulf has a lot of cash, and this is not going to change. But they are very few and have ridiculous armies, so they fight proxy-wars, through guerillas. Maybe they launched this one because of the Wikileaks which revealed that they were begging the US to attack Iran. So let the Gulf fall in its own khyana and double-standard, you can’t help them with the dream of an umma arabiyya which they have already perverted by trying to make it equivalent to an umma islamiyya.
November 14th, 2011, 3:10 am
Mina said:
378 Newfolder
What you present as a anti-regime demo seems to me a pro-regime one, and there is no indication these 15 guys came out from the church they are in front of! Is it a signal against some who may visit it?
November 14th, 2011, 3:19 am
Dale Andersen said:
Guess what? A number of Arab states have signaled their willingness to give Besho refuge and immunity from prosecution in the hope of bringing a rapid resolution to the Syrian crisis.
http://thearabdigest.blogspot.com/2011/11/syria-bashar-al-assad-urged-to-take-up.html
November 14th, 2011, 3:36 am
Volk said:
“MOSCOW (Reuters) – Russia opposes the Arab League’s decision to suspend Syria and believes Western nations are inciting opponents of President Bashar al-Assad to seek his removal, Russian news agencies quoted Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as saying on Monday.
Lavrov also underlined Russia’s opposition to imposing new sanctions on Iran over its nuclear programme and said nations were whipping up tension over Tehran to impose additional unilateral sanctions against it, the reports said.”
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-opposes-suspending-syria-arab-league-085442438.html
November 14th, 2011, 4:53 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/ In Idlib City on Saturday evening there was a large anti-regime gathering to celebrate the Arab League’s decision against the Syrian State. They used fireworks and were peaceful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa4A-3ddgMQ
The Khalidiya neighborhood of Homs was another place that had a public celebration on Saturday evening. Although smaller than the one in Idlib, when I have in mind the violence against security forces that people in the Khalidiya neighborhood have commited over the past six weeks, this video of them celebrating gives me the creeps. The Arab League’s decision lends those people moral support to continue with violent rebellion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiSVbM2acfE
The Arab League’s spokespeople have said their decision is intended to promote dialog but I fail to see how it can promote dialog. I agree with Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov who said today Monday that the Arab League’s move is “incorrect” or “mistaken” — a bad move badly reasoned. Lavrov said that the extremist opposition members have been encouraged by the Arab League’s decision to maintain an extremist stance that aims at toppling the regime, and rejects dialog, and this is a stance that would bring the country down the path to more violence and mayhem, and not to institutional reform. http://www.sana.sy/eng/22/2011/11/14/381439.htm
The text of the Arab League’s resolution dated Saturday 12 Nov 2011 is in Arabic at http://www.arableagueonline.org/wps/wcm/connect/d43bf0004909713580a8ed7abaae88c3/LAS+COUNCIL+RES+SYRIA+12-11-2011.pdf?MOD=AJPERES . During the past couple of days, I haven’t come across any of the foreign ministries of the 18 countries who voted for it explaining themselves in public about why they voted for it (except Qatar). So I’m still mystified at why a number of them voted for it.
November 14th, 2011, 6:18 am
Mohamed Kanj said:
nh
November 14th, 2011, 7:08 am
Uzair8 said:
Irritated said:
“Operation: HAJI BABA SHIELD”
A Turk-Arab ‘Operation: PROTECT CIVILIANS’ sounds more honourable than the regime’s ‘Operation: WE RULE YOU, OR WE KILL YOU’.
November 14th, 2011, 7:32 am
Uzair8 said:
Exiled Assad uncle wants to lead Syria’s transition
November 14, 2011
Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad’s exiled uncle, a former regime insider accused of carrying out a massacre in 1982, says he wants to oversee a peaceful transition of power in his homeland.
On Sunday, Rifaat al-Assad took charge of a new opposition movement in exile. Afterwards, in an interview with AFP and Le Monde, he urged Arab and world powers to negotiate his nephew’s safe departure from power.
“The solution would be that the Arab states guarantee Bashar al-Assad’s security so he can resign and be replaced by someone with financial backing who can look after Bashar’s people after his resignation,” he argued.
“It should be someone from the family… me, or someone else,” he said.
Read more:
http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=332027#ixzz1dgOrHAoD
November 14th, 2011, 7:39 am
Mina said:
It looks like someone on this forum who was expecting some agitation in the North-East already a few months ago was right:
Maliki frets over ‘Iraqi Spring’
By Sami Moubayed
DAMASCUS – Moves by an Iraqi Sunni-dominated province to demand autonomy from Baghdad and rumors of coup d’etat led by Ba’athists have Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki very worried about the prospects of a rebellion. (read more)
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MK15Ak02.html
November 14th, 2011, 7:46 am
Tara said:
Bronco
You asked for any Turkileak about the meeting between SNC and Turkey Sunsday evening. Here is it:
Syrian opposition seeks representation in Turkey: diplomat
Monday, November 14, 2011
ANKARA- Hürriyet Daily News
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=syrian-opposition-seeks-representation-in-turkey-diplomat-2011-11-14
This file photo shows members of Syrian opposition living in Turkey waving their national and Turkish flags as they stage a protest against the Syrian regime in Ankara. AFP photos.
Syria’s opposition has asked Turkey for permission to open a representative office in the country, a Turkish diplomat said Monday.
The Syrian National Council, the country’s largest and most representative opposition grouping, put the request to Turkey’s Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu during talks on Sunday, the diplomat said.
“Discussions and work will take place towards this end,” said the diplomat, without specifying whether Ankara had approved the request.
Davutoglu, who met previously with the council on October 18, said Syria’s future “belonged to the Syrians and would be built by them,” added the diplomat, who declined to be named.
Turkey, a close ally of Syria before unrest swept the country earlier this year, has strongly condemned government repression of opposition protests, and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he has cut ties with the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.
Turkey on Sunday called on the international community to act together in dealing with Syria following violent demonstrations against its diplomatic mission in Syria, from which Ankara has pulled out its diplomats and non-essential personnel.
November 14th, 2011, 8:01 am
Uzair8 said:
Jordan’s King Abdullah calls on Assad to ‘step down’
14 November 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15723023
November 14th, 2011, 8:07 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
I don’t want to cause any panic, so please, stay calm, but,
My neighbors and I received today a letter from the local municipality, telling us to get the shelter in our building, ready with water, conserved food, flash-lights batteries, radio and so on.
.
November 14th, 2011, 8:14 am
mjabali said:
Mr. Hamster:
There is a huge difference between al-Qadi and Tayyara. One is screaming and threatening others to be killed while no one is listening to while the other is in prison threatened to be killed for the few things he said criticizing al-Assad and his crew.
al-Qadi is like Hizb al-Baath screams a lot and call for lots of violence to all of those who oppose it should be dealt with toughness and force. The word traitor in their dictionary is used on every twist and turn. You are a traitor if you like this and not that…you know..
When al-Qadi calls for the killing of others, of course it should not be passed and neglected, he is showing what he really is built from. He is built with al-Baath building material: hate, incompetency, empty slogans, and of course the wrong interpretation of history.
What the Arab League did to al-Assad and al-Baath is EPIC for the mere fact that al-Baath fought tooth and nails to brainwash us Syrians with the myth of Arabism and now the what so called “Arabs” kick al-Baath from the club it established and almost died for.
al-Baath with its brainwashing methods created monsters like al-Qadi who think that anyone who is not thinking like him is a traitor.
Here, we also have to recognize the many elements in those opposing al-Assad which could be termed as Baathi also. The only way for Syria out of this mess is to look inward and create a safe haven to the GOOD and MORAL thinking to flourish.
November 14th, 2011, 8:23 am
Uzair8 said:
Mr Muallem there wouldn’t be a ‘crisis’ in Syria if you had treated the people better. This not about Syria paying a price for its ‘strong positions’.
November 14th, 2011, 8:23 am
zoo said:
Russia is not fooled by the tricky game played by the AL
“And this looks pre-planned.”
Russia condemns Syria’s suspension from Arab League
MOSCOW – Agence France-Presse
Monday, November 14, 2011
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Monday condemned Syria’s suspension from the Arab League over its lethal crackdown on protests, saying the move was “incorrect.” “We believe this to be incorrect,” Russian news agencies quoted Lavrov as saying in the Russian Far East city of Khabarovsk. “And this looks pre-planned.” Late last week the League announced Syria’s suspension, drawing international praise but sparking mob attacks on foreign embassies in Damascus.
The move, to take effect on Wednesday, was prompted by Syria’s failure to comply with an agreement to end its crackdown on protests, which the United Nations says has left at least 3,500 people dead since mid-March.
“Those who took this decision have lost a very important opportunity to make the situation more transparent,” Lavrov was quoted as saying.
“Someone really does not want the Syrians to agree among themselves.” Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in October called on the embattled Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad to accept reforms or resign but Russia has nevertheless opposed UN sanctions against Syria, insisting on the need for dialogue instead.
Lavrov also accused the West of instigating the Syrian opposition to seek regime change in the country.
“When these people hear tough statements from Washington and Brussels that it’s impossible to conduct any dialogue with Assad and there’s a need to let him know that he needs to go, this, of course, does not encourage them to have constructive dialogue,” he was quoted as saying.
Separately, Lavrov said that Russia on Tuesday would host one of Syria’s top opposition leaders, Syrian National Council president Burhan Ghalioun.
“We will try to get them to understand our concern that the fight for power is a thing that can often become a goal in itself,” ITAR-Tass quoted Lavrov as saying. “But you have to think about your country, your people.”
© 2011 Hurriyet Daily News
URL: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=russia-condemns-syrias-suspension-from-arab-league-2011-11-14
November 14th, 2011, 8:27 am
zoo said:
Robert Fisk: Arab League’s ‘roar’ at Syria shows how tiny Qatar is starting to flex its muscle
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/robert-fisk-arab-leagues-roar-at-syria-shows-how-tiny-qatar-is-starting-to-flex-its-muscle-6261944.html
The once pathetic group has now got the clout to stand up to Damascus
So did the “Arab Spring” infect the Arab League this weekend – or was it leaned on by the British Empire-style ambitions of tiny, rich Qatar?
The League – one of the silliest, most impotent, preposterous organisations in the history of the Arab world – has suddenly turned from mouse to lion and roared that Syria will be suspended from membership on Wednesday if it does not end violence against protesters, withdraw armour from cities, free political prisoners and start talking to the opposition.
Back roared Damascus: that Syria had already implemented the League’s peace plan – a dodgy statement – that the decision was “illegal and a violation of the League’s charter” (possibly true) and that Syria’s potential suspension was an attempt to “provoke foreign intervention in Syria, as it did in Libya”.
But the vote was pretty grim for the Assad regime. Of 22 states, only one abstained – Shia Iraq, for which thank you very much George W Bush – and two voted against: Yemen (of course) and Lebanon, which still lies in the sisterly embrace of Syria.
Qatar, which is Syria’s current nemesis – along with the Al-Jazeera satellite channel – was behind the vote, cajoling, pleading and, so they say, paying out large amounts of gas profits to those who might have second thoughts.
Qatar’s power in the Arab world is beginning to look distinctly imperial. With its money and its own air raids, it helped to bring down the Gaddafi regime. Now it is the League’s vanguard against Syria.
There won’t be a Nato no-fly zone over Syria. The Israelis would quite like to keep the Assad regime, on the grounds no-one knows who would come next. Iran would doubtless ask the Lebanese Hezbollah to bombard northern Israel if Nato attacked Syria. The Iranians themselves might get up to mischief with the US fleet in the Gulf. And not a single Arab wants a Libyan-type civil war to burn up Syria. Besides, Leon Panetta, the CIA chief, has already ruled out US firepower.
Nonetheless,it is a serious challenge to President Bashar al-Assad. He and his father Hafez promoted Syria as the “Mother of the Arab Nation” – now the “Arab Nation” wants to humiliate it.
The threat of economic and political measures is a real worry to a nation whose economy is already wearing at the edges after US and EU sanctions.
November 14th, 2011, 8:50 am
zoo said:
The Sunni spring is knocking at Iraq’s door
By Sami Moubayed
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MK15Ak02.html
DAMASCUS – Moves by an Iraqi Sunni-dominated province to demand autonomy from Baghdad and rumors of coup d’etat led by Ba’athists have Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki very worried about the prospects of a rebellion.
Such an “Iraqi Spring” would enjoy the full financial and political backing of Saudi Arabia’s new Crown Prince, Nayef Ibn Abdul-Aziz. In recent years Nayef has seen his country’s influence in Iraq drop dramatically as Tehran’s star rose.
The uprising would be very different to the Arab Spring. Instead of a grassroots revolt against an autocratic ruler, this would see Sunnis revolt against the Shi’ite politicians imposed on them since Iran established its hegemony over Iraqi politics in 2003.
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November 14th, 2011, 8:56 am
zoo said:
Qatar’s Achilleus’s heel: Internet
The Middle Eastern Nation Most Vulnerable to Internet Shutdown
By Jared Keller
Sep 4 2011, 8:44 AM ET 3
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/09/the-middle-eastern-nation-most-vulnerable-to-internet-shutdown/244507/
It’s not Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, or Syria. With a single Internet service provider, Qatar’s Web access could go down with just one click.
…
Qatar’s weakness is that the nation only has a single ISP provider, Qtel.
…..
Qatar’s government could easily shut down Internet access during a political exigency: The state has an unelected, monarchic, emirate-type government with virtually no democratic institutions or elections, and a serious uprising against the Emir would probably face an almost immediate rebuke. The likelihood of this happening is minimal: Qatar is one of the richest nations in the world (per capita), and protests didn’t take hold during the early weeks of the Arab Spring because, simply, “there was no reason to protest.” But, in terms of the technological integrity, Qatar’s Internet could be wiped out with a spilled glass of water on a particularly essential mainframe.
November 14th, 2011, 9:06 am
Revlon said:
Jr has been planning all along to deceive the AL about his real intentions from signing the agreement.
A leaked memo from the Ministry of Interior to its branches in Daraa, dated 08/11/2011, listed, among other things, the following two directives:
– The Ministry of Interior is calling upon its branches to tap on intelligence resources of Baath party members and public sector employees, and relay gathered information to relevant apparatuses, in order to prevent demonstrations from happening.
– Take necessary steps to implement earlier command in gradually changing the appearance of armed forces activities to take on the form of anti-riot police forces
End of quote
_________________________________________________________________
Those two items prove beyond doubt that Jr is willing to change only his tactics, even under pressure. He has not yet made the strategic decision to engage in negotiating the terms of his stepping down.
-Jr,-The-Liar is lying about his promise to the AL of his willingness to allow peaceful demonstrations. He is planning to use intensified intelligence gathering and stealth to prevent them instead.
-Jr intended to deceive the AL, even after signing the agreement. Replacing the wardrobe of his armed forces with that of anti-riot police would make them appear to have complied with withdrawing armed forces from city!
-Jr’s procrastination in implementing the agreement aimed at using its full grace period in applying maximum brutal power in the hope of softening up resistant areas.
The time was also used to communicate new tactics to his ground armed and security forces in order to change their uniform so as to appear as civil police forces.
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http://www.facebook.com/Syria.Revolution.Intelligence#!/photo.php?fbid=265671976816717&set=a.170186573031925.48606.165780076805908&type=1&theater
November 14th, 2011, 9:40 am
Revlon said:
475. Dear SYRIAN HAMSTER,
I am baffled by Mr Alqadi’s statement!
I find it at odds with his CV and alleged life long suffering from opression and carreer in human right’s activism.
Which begs the question: which is more likely to happen?
A stoolpigeon blows own cover
or
a genuine human rights activist threatens with murder!
November 14th, 2011, 9:56 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Rethloon
You make this site another Aljazera with your lies.you and your terrorists friends have made most of the people who used to hate the regime ,the regime best lovers now.that is something the regime has to thank you for.The AL has also turned most of the Syrians into believers in the ????? ????????.very soon you can get ready to read Alfatiha on your ugly Qatari Qararadawi Aroori crap.
November 14th, 2011, 10:11 am
Revlon said:
9 members defect from Asad army and formed Abulwalid Unit and joined Abu Ubaida Phalange of the FSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC2M6Osedao&feature=player_embedded
AlQalamoon, Reef Dimashq Governorate
12-11 2011 alkalamon ??????? || ??????? – ??? ???? – ???? ?????.
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3 members of Asad police force defect and join the FSA
Idlib
??????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ????????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? 13 11 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M18u9rM1Puk
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3 members of Asad army special forces defect and join the FSA
?????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???? 12-11-2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpXam_6tOqU&feature=player_embedded
__________________________________________________________________
3 members of Asad army defect and join the FSA
?????? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????? ????? ?????? ???? 13 11 2011
November 14th, 2011, 10:19 am
Ghufran said:
Russia is unlikely to change its position on Syria even if China decides to abstain.
The SNC will eventually have to moderate its position or continue to bet on a military intervention that is unlikely to happen.
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November 14th, 2011, 10:19 am
Revlon said:
Commander of AlOmari Phalange, Officer Qais AlQata3na communicates the result of their latest military operation against Asad forces in Khirbet Ghazaleh, Governorate of Dar3a:
At dawn, checkpoint of Asad forces was attacked 25 to 30.
Soldier, Anas AlKhidr, and seargent, Tammam AlQata3na of the FSA were wounded.
??????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? 13 11 2011
November 14th, 2011, 10:32 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Rethloon
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The dessed up people in your clips look so scared as if your terrorist friends are ready to kill them.do you watch what you post mr Rethloon?
November 14th, 2011, 10:32 am
Ghufran said:
Revlon,
Soldiers who have seen their houses destroyed and their relatives killed may choose to leave the army if they find out that their army participated in attacks on unarmed civilians.
Self defense is understood and so is defection when there are clear and legitimate reasons for it,but random ambushes and indiscriminate violence is different and will only inflame the people and increase the blood shed. We want a quick end to violence and that can not come if the two fighting parties refuse to talk. Bashar has to leave but we should be ready to sit down with all Syrians who were not implicated in killing unarmed civilians,
You claim that you know who did what and when,then you should give that list of perpetrators to the AL and Russia and tell them that we will not negotiate with killers but we are OK with regime supporters who are willing to compromise. As much as I hate to say this but there is still considerable support for the regime,that support is the subject of intense debate with people estimating it to be at 40% (fawaz gerges). Even if only 25% of Syrians support the regime,those people want a voice and can not be eliminated.
The current strategy of armed resistance is a double edge sword that will be used to pressure the regime but it also has the potential to hurt the opposition and reduce the chances of a peaceful end to this crisis.
November 14th, 2011, 10:36 am
newfolder said:
so why didn’t any of you minhibakji dogs comment on the Cristian demonstration from the Al Bishara Church yesterday? are they also salafi zionist arouri terrorists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfYIaJmeFPE
Don’t you think your lies have been exposed? not even school kids believe your crap anymore
November 14th, 2011, 10:40 am
Mina said:
Newfolder
Why don’t you read the comments? I did comment on it. Why is the voice who is making the recording that on an Iraqi?
These 15 guys look like they make a pro-regime protest and they certainly don’t look like they are coming out of the church (don’t you know people dress up when they go to church in Syria?)
November 14th, 2011, 10:50 am
majedkhaldoun said:
AL shunned Syria demands,for Arab summit.
Embassies preparing to evacuate.
November 14th, 2011, 10:59 am
newfolder said:
#502
lol , yeah should have figured. Every video which shows evidence contradictory to your regime’s propaganda is “faked”, just like the Banyas video which you claimed was the Bishmarka in Iraq! lol at your idiocy.
Of course, the fact that countless undercover journalists from around the world all confirm what the opposition has been saying all along; doesn’t fit into your delusional lala land fantasies of Assadian utopia.
In any case, it’s over, the regime is finished, we’ll be cleaning up its mess very soon. Everyone knows the truth now, the whole world does, your lies are pathetic.
November 14th, 2011, 11:04 am
ann said:
486. racist amir in apartheid tel aviv said:
I don’t want to cause any panic, so please, stay calm, but,
My neighbors and I received today a letter from the local municipality, telling us to get the shelter in our building, ready with water, conserved food, flash-lights batteries, radio and so on.
Enjoy!
November 14th, 2011, 11:05 am
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November 14th, 2011, 11:06 am
irritated said:
Revlon #493
A version more in touch with reality from DoubleFacebook:
-AL,-The-Liar is lying about his promise to Bashar of its willingness to prevent violent demonstrations. It is planning to use intensified intelligence gathering and stealth to allow them instead.
-AL intended to deceive Bashar, even after signing the agreement. It will accuse him to disguise the armed forces as anti-riot police but it wouldn’t make any move to stop the armed gangs to disrupt any peaceful demonstrations city!
-AL’s procrastination in sending a delegation to check the reality on the ground, as it was specified the agreement, shows that they are not serious in implementing their part of the deal while they criticize Bashar for his slowness in dealing with the armed gangs and the armed terrorist defectors.
– AL’s refusal to rebuff the USA about its encouragement to armed violence in Syria, indicate that the AL is only acting as the arm of the US and its Arab allies.
November 14th, 2011, 11:07 am
Revlon said:
500. Dear Ghufran, you said:
“Revlon, You claim that you know who did what and when”
Could you please quote the claim tha I made, like I quote your statements when I do comment on them?
Cheers!
November 14th, 2011, 11:09 am
jad said:
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November 14th, 2011, 11:11 am
anton said:
Dear # 501 can you please respect each Syrians on this blog …
Appreciate your compliance in the future
THANKS IN ADVANCE
November 14th, 2011, 11:13 am
irritated said:
newfolder #504
“In any case, it’s over, the regime is finished, we’ll be cleaning up its mess very soon. Everyone knows the truth now, the whole world does, your lies are pathetic.”
Is it? You seem to be repeating it too often, as if you want to convince yourself while ‘everyone’ is not.
Keep repeating and prepare your brooms, you may need them to fly out of the country sooner than you think.
November 14th, 2011, 11:15 am
jad said:
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November 14th, 2011, 11:20 am
jad said:
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November 14th, 2011, 11:24 am
irritated said:
Mina, Newfolder #503
“don’t you know people dress up when they go to church in Syria?)”
How could he know, he lives in Saudi Arabia where churches are banned.
newfolder sounds more and more like defunct Abboud, maybe he is his ghost coming back from “lala land-lol-hahahaha” and “filth city’
November 14th, 2011, 11:39 am
Tara said:
It is so hypocrite and deceiving to criticize the AL over Syria’s suspension. 250 civilians killed by the regime since Bashar signed the AL’s initiative to stop the killing. 550 some out of 20,000 prisoners were released despite clear text demanding freeing ALL political prisoners. What did he expect? AL giving him carte blanche to continue the killing? He should wake up and start realizing that contrary to what have taken place in Syria for the last 40 years, it is a universal value to punish people for their crimes.
November 14th, 2011, 11:42 am
bronco said:
#513 Jad
“???? ???? ????? ????????? ????? ????? ???? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? “?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ??????? ????? ???? ???????? ????? ??????? ?? ???
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So “The Deal” is still a verbal deal? A week has already passed. What is the AL waiting for to make it a written one? Are they waiting to get the opposition on board before they have it signed by all parties?
A very tough article from Saudi owned Ashark al awast criticizes so heavily Nabil Al Arabi that I have renewed hopes that the guy is genuine and not (yet) bought by the Qataris or the Saudis.
“I hate Israel, but I also hate Nabil Elaraby”
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=27301
November 14th, 2011, 11:57 am
irritated said:
#475. MASTER SYRIAN HAMSTER
Since you are inquiring about people who disappeared maybe you can tell us what happen to the Scoopy Adnan Bakkour, the only government defector who was supposed to tell us “Everything he knows about Bashar that we are afraid to ask”?
He seems to have been forgotten, like many others scoops, by the opposition and the media.
November 14th, 2011, 12:17 pm
jad said:
Hi Bronco,
(So “The Deal” is still a verbal deal?)
It seems like the AL didn’t even bother doing anything about ‘the deal’, not even one thing other than encouraging Turkey to invade Syria and start killing Syrians.
(I have renewed hopes that the guy is genuine and not (yet) bought by the Qataris or the Saudis.)
Do you really think that Alarabi or any official in the AL or in the whole world is genuine. I don’t think so.
November 14th, 2011, 12:43 pm
Tara said:
Bashar carries the historical responsibility of preventing a possible foreign intervention by immediate cessation of all the killing. If the killing continues, a foreign intervention is inevitable. Withdrawing of armed forces and stopping the killing should be unilateral and unconditional. He should announce immediate admittance to interested free press. This is going to be his last chance before “running out of time”
“running out of time” sounds like a tired phrase, but the foreign intervention threat way too real.
http://blogs.cfr.org/cook/2011/11/14/syria-when-is-enough-enough/
…..
The advocates of the so-called “right to protect” principle, which gives the international community sanction to violate the sovereignty of another state if civilians are at great risk,
…
November 14th, 2011, 12:44 pm
bronco said:
Tara #519
“If the killing continues, a foreign intervention is inevitable.’
In all conflicts there is something called a ceasefire but it must be accepted by both responsible sides.
While Bashar can commit his side since he controls the army, no one is able to commit the other side, as it is unconditionnally rejecting any negotiation.
The responsibility of the escalation is therefore on the hardline opposition who could call for a stop to the demonstrations and therefore immediately stop the bloodshed. But they are so desperate and revengeful that they are ready to bring hell to Syria rather than accepting a dialog.
They may succeed but then they will fail the goal of making Syria a free country.
About the press admittance and the AL delegation:
Al Araby is reported to have said the AL wouldn’t send anyone to Syria until a written agreement was made between all parties specifying each one’s responsiblities. I guess one of the party is the undecided opposition… so it is still pending, don’t blame Bashar for that.
November 14th, 2011, 1:04 pm
Mina said:
Jad
They really have a problem with Hassanein Heikal’s interview. Could you try to find it? The link you gave to the aljazeera interview disappeared quickly, just by miracle.
I have found that, about the al Ahram’s interview in Arabic, but of course without the translation of the full Arabic.
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2011/1066/eg1.htm
And today I see that The Arabist is supposed to have posted it, but it was instantly “404 No Page Found” shortly after.
(here is what i see on Google:
In Translation: M.H. Heikal on the “new Sykes-Picot” – Blog – The …
http://www.arabist.net/…/in-translation-mh-heikal-on-th... –
1 day ago – Mohamed Hassanein Heikal: “What’s happening now is not a ‘spring,’ but a new ‘Sykes-Picot’ to divide the Arabs”. Revolutions are not a deal ..
and pages which had the link to the now dead link:)
http://features.rr.com/article/0eVQ28u3G75ak?q=David+Cameron
http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/article/0eVQ28u3G75ak?q=Iraq
November 14th, 2011, 1:14 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Is there going to be a meeting of opposition parties tomorrow in Cairo ?
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November 14th, 2011, 1:33 pm
jad said:
Mina,
Here you go, the three parts of the interview, he talked about Syria in part2 and I link it at the moment he started talking about Syria:
?? ???? – ??????? ??????? ?1
http://youtu.be/ZUj9dfDA6jI
?? ???? – ??????? ??????? – ?2
http://youtu.be/k7auKeYXWlg?t=31m44s
?? ???? – ??????? ??????? – ?3
http://youtu.be/00KUNBN6Fkw
And here is the original article when he said (“What’s happening now is not a ‘spring,’ but a new ‘Sykes-Picot’ to divide the Arabs”)
http://www.ahram.org.eg/664/2011/09/23/12/102838/219.aspx
November 14th, 2011, 1:44 pm
Dale Andersen said:
From the EU/CIA/Jew/Saudi/Salafist press:
“…An explosion at a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant Monday in Latakia killed at least eight people and injured 31 others. Authorities said the cause appeared to be substandard chicken…”
November 14th, 2011, 1:54 pm
Ghat Al Bird said:
According to the BBC Jordan’s “King” is on record as advising the President of Syria to resign. The grandson of a man “made King” by the British is aping the jew’s “chutzpah” by getting involved in somebody else’s affairs.
Wonder if he’ll be getting more dollars for his stand.
November 14th, 2011, 1:54 pm
jad said:
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November 14th, 2011, 2:04 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
I never understood what’s the big deal about Muhammad Hassanein Heikal. After all he’s an Arab. Therefor, as all Arabs, he has an obsessed mind with conspiracy theories and concoctions.
Again, according to Heikal, the Arabs are being subjected to a grand conspiracy scheme, designed by omnipotent powers (Elders of Zion?). And again the poor, naive and passive Arabs, will fall in a trap set for them by those who covet their precious treasures.
Aren’t you tired of this neo-orientalistic BS?
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November 14th, 2011, 2:05 pm
irritated said:
527. Amir in Tel Aviv
“he has an obsessed mind with conspiracy theories and concoctions.”
What are the Mossad and the pitbull doing all they long, they play backgammon?
November 14th, 2011, 2:23 pm
jad said:
I just noticed the ‘OMG’ ‘challenging’ comment by bold ‘Hammy’
Why don’t we Let the man himself, Bassam Alkadi, explain what he wrote and why through his own words on his FB page, every person is responsible of what he/she says/writes NOBODY else:
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http://ara.reuters.com/article/topNews/idARACAE7AB0J920111112
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November 14th, 2011, 2:24 pm
Mina said:
Allah yikhallik Jad,
Here it is in English
http://www.arabist.net/blog/2011/11/13/in-translation-muhammad-hassanein-heikal-on-the-new-sykes-pi.html
November 14th, 2011, 2:32 pm
jad said:
Bronco,
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http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=139979
November 14th, 2011, 2:33 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: GHAT AL BIRDINSKY
RE: “…aping the Jew’s “chutzpah” by getting involved in somebody else’s affairs…”
Screaming “The fucking Jews did it!” when everything’s falling apart around you ain’t gonna save you, Dude. Besides, the JewBoys didn’t do it. You did it to yourself. You’re paying for not getting rid of the Assad Mafia long ago when you had the chance….
November 14th, 2011, 2:36 pm
irritated said:
#525 Ghat Al Bird
This is how BBC distorts shamelessly what people say to create scoops immediately copied by the international media.
THE MEDIA wrote:
“King Abdallah URGES Bashar Al Assad to step down”
“King Abdallah call for Syria’s Bashar to step down”
etc..
WHAT KING ABDALLAH ACTUALLY SAID as reported by a more honest media, not the BBC.
1) “I believe, if I were in his shoes, I would step down,” he has told BBC in an interview.
2) “I would step down and make sure whoever comes behind me has the ability to change the status quo that we’re seeing.”
3) “If Bashar has the interest of his country, he would step down, but he would also create an ability to reach out and start a new phase of Syrian political life,” Abdullah said.
Do you see any “Urge” or ‘should’, I only see ‘would and ‘if’
In addition, you will notice that sentence 3) makes no sense at all, it is bad english
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Jordans-king-says-Syrian-President-Assad-should-step-down/articleshow/10732560.cms
November 14th, 2011, 2:46 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
LOL Dale… Ghata’le Birdinski… LOL
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November 14th, 2011, 2:48 pm
zoo said:
Arab League to send 500 observers to Syria
(AFP)
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle09.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2011/November/middleeast_November352.xml§ion=middleeast
14 November 2011, 7:01 PM
CAIRO — The Arab League is preparing to send a 500-strong delegation of observers to Syria following a decision to suspend Damascus from the bloc over its deadly crackdown on protests.
The decision to send the delegation — made up of human rights groups, media and military observers — came after a meeting at the Arab League headquarters aimed at studying measures to protect civilians in Syria.
The 22-member Arab bloc on Saturday voted to suspend Syria from all league activities over its failure to implement a deal to end the violence which has left around 3,500 dead since March, according to UN figures.
Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi is also to meet with Syrian opposition groups in Cairo on Monday, as agreed during the Saturday meeting.
“The Secretary General will meet representatives of the Syrian opposition (on Monday) afternoon at the league headquarters,” the official told AFP.
Arab League foreign ministers are due to meet in Rabat on Wednesday to discuss the crisis in Syria and the visit by the delegation for which no date has yet been set.
Syria’s suspension is due to go into effect on November 16.
At Saturday’s emergency meeting, the League agreed on the principle of economic and political sanctions against Syria and urged the withdrawal of Arab ambassadors from Damascus.
It also called for a meeting with Syrian opposition groups “to agree a unified vision for the coming transitional period in Syria.”
Arab top diplomats at an earlier meeting in Cairo on November 2 drew up a plan to end the violence in Syria which has left 3,500 dead since mid-March according to the United Nations.
Under the deal, Syria was given 15 days to pull back its troops from the cities that were the focus of anti-government protests, release detainees, allow free movement for observers and media and negotiate with the opposition.
More details from Naharnet:
“The decision to send a 500-strong delegation follows a vote to suspend Damascus from the 22-member Arab bloc over its deadly crackdown on protests. It came a day after Syria said it would welcome such a mission.
“None of the delegates of Arab organizations tasked with protecting civilians will go to Syria until a clear memorandum of understanding is signed with the Syrian government spelling out the duties and rights of all the parties,” Arabi told reporters.
He made the remarks after separate talks in Cairo with representatives of Arab human rights groups and Syrian opposition figures.
Arabi chaired a meeting of the groups at which it was agreed a 500-strong delegation made up of rights activists, media and military experts would head to Syria on a fact-finding mission to study measures to protect civilians.
Arab foreign ministers are due to organize the trip and set a date for the mission on Wednesday, on the sidelines of a meeting in Rabat, according to a League official.
A senior member of the Union of Arab doctors, Ibrahim al-Zaafarani, said Syrian authorities will be asked to sign a document providing the delegation “guarantees” for their protection and freedom of movement.
“We will go everywhere and write up reports on the conditions of civilians and means of protecting them, and we will submit the reports to the Arab foreign ministers,” he added.
November 14th, 2011, 2:53 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: IRRITATED
RE: “…do you see any “Urge” or ‘should’, I only see ‘would and ‘if’…”
The king was being polite, you doofus. The deep structure of his remarks, which the Jew/Saudi/EU/CIA press got right was, “Bashar, get your loser ass out of Syria ASAP!”
November 14th, 2011, 2:53 pm
Majed97 said:
It’s funny how when the “king” of an invisible country (Jordan) speaks, calling for Bashar to step down, he is suddenly king of the world and headline news all over the Western media. But somehow when one of the two most powerful countries in the world (Russia) speaks, condemning the AL action and confirming its support for the Syrian government, the same media goes completely silent.
Is there anyone who actually believes the Jordanian ruling family has any credibility left? They’ve been selling out the Arab cause for over 50 years. By the way, expect more rulers of the GCC countries to make similar calls in the coming days/weeks; and they’ll do it in an orchestrated way, one at a time, in order to keep the spotlight and increase the media pressure on the Syrian leadership.
As I’ve been saying for a while now, forget the useless AL; Russia and China are keys in this blunder, as they have far more to lose than anyone else. Syria is Europe’s gate to the largest oil reserves in the world, and the Middle East’s lucrative markets.
November 14th, 2011, 2:53 pm
Dale Andersen said:
And when the Russians and the Chinese turn their backs on Besho, Majed, where then will you go? To Zimbabwe? Albania? Khazakstan? North Korea?
I can hear you then. You’ll be saying, “Kim Jong-Il won’t desert us. And Robert Mugabe. He’s a lion of support. Oh yes. And Hugo Chavez! There’s a pillar of strength, even if he does have cancer…”
November 14th, 2011, 3:02 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
502. Mina said:
“Newfolder
Why don’t you read the comments? I did comment on it. Why is the voice who is making the recording that on an Iraqi?
These 15 guys look like they make a pro-regime protest and they certainly don’t look like they are coming out of the church (don’t you know people dress up when they go to church in Syria?)”
It was indeed an anti-regime demo, did you not see the revolution flag ( green, white and black) strung up on the Church ? And it is a night time demo so obviously ppl are not coming out of Sunday mass.
November 14th, 2011, 3:06 pm
Mina said:
A night demonstration?
You guys are getting very imaginative. At the 10th second, you can see the sky and it is full afternoon!
Folder was saying, yesterday and today, wince he posted the link twice, that these guys were coming out of the church. So since you admit they are not, it is indeed a bunch of guys threatening this church, isn’t it?
November 14th, 2011, 3:12 pm
Ghat Al Bird said:
While lengthy most all commentors might find it interesting. Its a commentary that can likened from the horse’s mouth.
How The Jews Think
11/12/11
Brother Nathanael Kapner
Editor: The concepts of ‘the Jew’ and ‘the Jewish mindset’ are abstractions, emblematic of certain personality traits seen as a whole and in the real world, any given person is much more than can be summed up by a cluster of abstract personality traits. However, we already know that around 100% of Israeli Jews are in favor of stealing the land from underneath the Palestinians and that around 94% of them also support killing them off as well. So we know for certain that ‘the Jewish mindset’ is not just an abstraction; it refers to real people and the kind of thinking that lies behind what they actually say & do. That said, we may get a better handle on the subject matter if would take a look at the mindset involved in this article by Br. Nathanael Kapner and try and think of it in terms of narcissism. Clearly, this mindset essentially is narcissistic. But again, there are many people who have at least some narcissistic traits, not just many Jews, because narcissism is a spectrum disorder on a continuum. There are some useful links to explore, here & here.
The Jewish State and its lobbies are the greatest threat to world peace. If we want to save ourselves, there is no other way of doing so than looking closely into Jewish, Israeli and Zionist culture, identity and ideology. ~ Gilad Atzmon
I grew up as a Jew. And having gone to an upper middle class synagogue throughout my childhood up through my young adult years, I am uniquely qualified to do an expose on the inner workings of the Jewish mind.
Now that I am an Orthodox Christian, having converted in 1971 to Christianity, I can see very clearly how the Jew thinks.
1. The Jew sees himself as a “Jew First.” In any nation that the Jew may reside in, he is an “American Second” or a “Frenchman Second” etc. – for the Jew is always a Jew First. Thus the Jew puts his interest first before national interests.
2. The Jew promotes secularism in any nation he may reside in. This works to his benefit. For the Jew fears nothing more than a Christian World View which has at its root the absolutism of Christianity over all other faiths as being false religions including Judaism. But the Jew believes that Judaism is the only true religion and it is his province alone. For the Jew looks upon the Gentiles, “the Goyim” as being inferior to him.
3. The Jew uses the indictment of “Anti Semitism” to prevent any criticism of his conduct, his ideas, and his agenda.
4. The Jew is hell bent on his self-preservation. Though American and European Jews love the good life, they promote Zionism, in order that they will always have a place to escape to.
5. The Jew would like to see the New Testament destroyed, defamed, discarded, and mocked. For in it contains the historical record of the Jewish leaders committing Deicide against the Eternal Son of God Who became man for our salvation, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Jew wishes to eradicate this historical fact for it places him in a position as having to repent, an act that the Jew finds repulsive.
6. The Jew though he may be non religious still honors the rabbis as having final authority on all religious questions and matters. The rabbis have as their authority the Talmud which contradicts the Old Testament and blasphemes Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary, and Christians.
7. The Jew may promote “equality amongst men” yet he sees himself in a self conscious ethnic group that he considers as being superior to all others.
8. The Jew when confronted with the claims of Christianity will always reply, “I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew.” What he means is, “I will never become a Christian like the dumb goys.”
9. The Jew loves to be in control. The Jew loves to be at the top of the ladder. If Christianity were again to be in predominance in America, the Jew would be horror-struck. For then he will have the finger pointed at him that he is a Christ denier, a stubborn, stiff-necked hater of Jesus Christ, and a supporter of the Jews who brought Christ to Pilate to have Him crucified.
10. The Jew will use every means possible to undermine Christianity in whatever nation he may reside. He will always cry, “Look what they did to us!” as if he is an innocent lamb without any faults. But whenever someone shows why “they did this to them” he shouts back, “You’re an Anti Semite!’
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1. The Jew has divorced from his mind all spiritual hopes of the next world. The Jew sees his continuity in his progeny so to carry on his name in this earthly and material existence.
2. The Jew lives for this world not for the world to come. The Jew is therefore a crass materialist.
3. The Jew, though “non religious” gives tacit compliance to the vision of their rabbis who foresee an earthly messiah who will establish a messianic kingdom in which the Jews will be the supreme heads of the nations.
4. The Jew does not like to perform manual labour. To make money the Jew is dependent on the labours of others. Therefore the Jew is primarily to be found in the service professions: whether financial, academic, medical, legal, mercantile, journalistic, or entertainment.
5. The Jew in the financial realm hopes to have all capital beneath his control. The Jew strives to get the possession of riches without industry on his part.
6. The Jew, in order to attain financial power, views Christianity, with its attendant moral influence, as a threat. For profligacy, dissolute manners, and perversion of sexual mores, places the Gentile, the “Goy” under his dominion.
7. The Jew in the academic realm strives to educate according to his Jewish World View. The Jewish World View is the unspoken perception that the Gentiles, the “Goyim,” are ultimately his enemies.
8. The Jew, therefore, who operates in the academic realm, will educate the “Goyim” to believe that the Jew has been an innocent victim of Gentile enmity throughout the centuries. Thus a certain level of obligation is inculcated into the “Goyim” toward the Jew – that he is deserving of deferential treatment.
9. The Jew who operates in the journalistic realm, which today is his total control of the Press, presents current events in favour of the Jew.
10. The Jew, who operates in the journalistic realm, which today is total control of all Media, presents Christianity in a bad light. This works to his benefit. For Christianity confers strength and moral fiber to the Gentile population, which the Jew wants under his dominion.
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1. The Jew is a perpetual outsider. The Jew is a ceaseless “observer” and consequent “actor” & “reactor” upon the world’s stage. The Jew seeks to impose his will upon the Gentile whom he looks down upon as being inferior in intelligence and activism to him.
2. The Jew is always on a “mission.” The Jew always has a “cause” he must fight for. The mission and the cause of the Jew is hostile to the mission and cause of Jesus Christ and Christianity.
3. The Jew wishes to remain aloof and separate from the nations. That is why Winston Churchill initially used the term, “The International Jew.”
4. The Jew holds himself separate from the nations, not primarily for ideological reasons as prescribed in the Old Testament. Rather, the Jew remains aloof from all others because he sees himself as belonging to an elite.
5. The Jew may proclaim and propagandize though his monopoly of the Media the slogan, “Diversity Is Our Strength!” Yet the Jew will never live in a neighborhood where poor Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics live. Why not? Because the Jew despises working class folk as being culturally inferior to him and socially impotent.
6. The Jew at heart despises the ideal of the “Brotherhood of Man.” For it is only through acceptance of Jesus Christ, the Christian Church, and the Christian Universal vision of the “new man in Christ” that the Brotherhood of Man can be realized.
7. The Jew wants nothing to do with Jesus Christ, the Church, and the Christian Universal vision of the new man in Christ. Why not? First because Jesus Christ calls all men to repent which the Jew finds repulsive; Second because the Church with its eyes set on the kingdom to come is disagreeable to the Jew who seeks a kingdom of this world; Third because the new man in Christ whereby all elitist distinctions are dissolved, is an identity the Jew finds repugnant to his love of ’separateness’ and control over others.
8. The Jew, through his monopoly of the Media, the Judicial System, and Academia, wars against Christianity. Why? Because Christianity indicts the Jew as being unrepentant. This puts the Jew in a position of weakness and beholden to the dictates of the Christian. The Jew considers this the greatest of all calamities.
9. The Jew falsely believes that he is part of the “chosen people.” Thus the Jew deems that he has the “divine right” to have his “rights” implemented and secured. In fact, the Jew with his Jiddische chutzpah demands this. What are the Jew’s rights as he perceives them? First and primarily, that the world around him should conform to his point of view and to his point of view only.
10. The Jew will ignobly hold on to his identity unto death. To die for the truth rather [than] for one’s racial identity is a valid martyrdom. But “truth” for the Jew is not in the realm of absolutes. “Truth” for the Jew is to assert and impose his will upon others. And what is the Jew’s will? That Jesus Christ is not be loved, believed in, and worshipped.
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Published here in Real Zionist News
URL: http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2011/11/03/how-the-jews-think
November 14th, 2011, 3:32 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: GHAT AL BIRDOWITZ
RE: “…the horse’s mouth…”
You, of all people, should know what a horse’s mouth tastes and smells like, you pathetic little man…
http://www.flickr.com/photos/playwrighter/3010176237/
November 14th, 2011, 3:44 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
LOL… Ghat’le Birdovski.. this is the best text I read in a long time #541.
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“..The Jew promotes secularism in any nation he may reside in”.
I’m in!
“…The Jew when confronted with the claims of Christianity will always reply, “I was born a Jew and I will die a Jew.”
Yep..! that’s true.
“…The Jew lives for this world not for the world to come”.
Yep.. that’s me.
“…The Jew does not like to perform manual labour”.
Who likes?
“…The Jew in the financial realm hopes to have all capital beneath his control”.
Yep.. who wouldn’t?
“…Therefore the Jew is primarily to be found in the service professions: whether financial, academic, medical, legal, mercantile, journalistic, or entertainment”.
Sound’s fun to be a Jew.
“…The international Jew”.
Is it better to be a provincial Jew, or a peripheral Jew?
I prefer to be international Jew. Sounds more exciting!
.
November 14th, 2011, 4:08 pm
Halabi said:
#520
“The responsibility of the escalation is therefore on the hardline opposition who could call for a stop to the demonstrations and therefore immediately stop the bloodshed.”
Demonstrations aren’t the cause of the bloodshed, it’s the security forces and pro-Assad militias shooting at them that’s the cause. The Syrian constitution gives us the right to peaceful demonstration, rights that don’t include shooting at police nor trashing foreign embassies.
Chanting ???? ???? ?? ???? can only hurt the minhebaks’ feelings. It isn’t the cause of the bloodshed, and there is no need to use tanks to quell this sentiment.
Demonstrations will not stop until Assad falls, and then there will be more demonstrations calling for justice, and still more from people like who oppose both Assad and the Muslim brotherhood. In a couple of decades we might reach the point when we demand action on the environment, women’s rights, and other advanced demands.
November 14th, 2011, 4:20 pm
ann said:
“Financing of Terrorism” in Syria Must Stop – November 14, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnwpqtO3jz4&feature=player_embedded
http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/11/financing-terrorism-syria-must-stop
Even if Gaddafi had lived for another 100 years, he could not have killed even a fraction of the number obliterated by NATO during its intervention in Libya, claims Syria’s deputy Foreign Minister, Faisal al-Mikdad, in an exclusive interview with RT.
The top Syrian diplomat recalled that NATO’s aggression against Libya was carried out under the guise of restoring human rights and protecting civilians.
‘They send money to kill Syrians’
Syria’s deputy FM has demanded that the countries financially and militarily supporting armed religious extremists on his country’s soil assume responsibility for financing terrorism.
Faisal al-Mikdad acknowledges that terrorist groups within Syria are being financed in an unofficial way by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Jordan, and he has appealed to the people of these countries not to support such activities.
“Our appeal to our brothers and sisters in all those countries is not to allow that, because under the UN this is called ‘financing of terrorism’. They send money to kill Syrians. And I believe this should be stopped,” explains al-Mikdad.
Soldiers’ deaths disregarded
The senior diplomat’s comments come as the UN human rights chief warned that Syria is very close to a Libya-style situation, where an uprising against a long-standing leader morphed into a civil war.
Syrian human rights organizations and the UN say that 3,500 people have died in the anti-government protests since their start eight months ago.
However, Syria’s deputy FM Faisal al-Mikdad has cast doubt on the wisdom of the West’s approach to the crisis in his country.
“The credibility of some international non-governmental organizations has been lost because they do not take into consideration what is really happening [in Syria]. Not one of these organizations has mentioned that Syria has lost more than 1,150 martyrs from the army and security forces,” the deputy FM says.
Extremists shoot civilians to keep show on road
He confirms that many civilians have been assassinated in the unrest, but “people have to ask the questions, who killed them and why were they killed?”
Faisal al-Mikdad says that criminals detained by police confessed to shooting at peaceful demonstrators and killing them, “to keep the pace of demonstrations going on.”
The deputy FM denies that Syria is in a state of civil war but stresses that those provoking the unrest aim to push the country into civil conflict. Syrian society is very complex, and as Faisal al-Mikdad put it, “we have something from everything.”
Syria historically has three monotheistic religions, with lots of denominations in each one of them. Those well-organized and equipped foreign religious extremists who instigate violence need the people of Syria to fight each other, admits Faisal al-Mikdad.
The Deputy FM stresses that billions of dollars and tens of thousands of small arms have been smuggled into Syria from Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and other neighboring countries to encourage people to incite disturbances in the country.
Faisal al-Mikdad assures that among the armed protestors there are no civilians fighting for a better life but only radical Islamists, and that the peaceful opposition has been officially recognized by the Syrian government and its views taken into account in order to work together to build a new Syria.
‘We did not expect such violence’
The deputy Syrian FM recognizes that mistakes have been made and time lost in reforming the political landscape within the country.
“These are realities, we have to accept them,” Faisal al-Mikdad says. “What we did not expect was that things would develop in such a violent way that contradicts the spirit of the Syrian people,” he confesses, stressing that social media has not been banned in the country despite the apparently negative role it played in the unrest.
Faisal al-Mikdad insists that all talk of a conflict of the ruling Alawite minority and the Sunni majority is misleading and aimed at disintegration of the country, as every Syrian citizen, despite his religion or nationality, has the right to occupy any official position.
“In Syria we have a political system that defends the sovereignty of the country,” he says.
“In Syria we are under such an attack because we say no to the policies of the US in the region, supporting the subjugation of the region to their interests and serving the major interests of Israel,” proclaims the Syrian deputy FM.
He believes that NATO has not intervened in Syria because the whole region opposes it, after seeing Gaddafi’s Libya bombed out.
The majority of the UN Security Council is against aggression in Syria, with Russia and China even using their veto right to block a Western resolution designed to slap tougher sanctions on Damascus.
“If they [the West] manipulate the situation in the Middle East – they will do it everywhere in the world.”
November 14th, 2011, 4:52 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Halabi
You are good person, we love to read your comments more,glad you start commenting.
November 14th, 2011, 4:56 pm
annie said:
407. SYRIAN HAMSTER Love it like everything you write
493 REVLON I am copying this to my fb page
541 Ghat el Bird This text comes from an anti zionist web site.
It is not as if this came from the horse’s mouth itself.
November 14th, 2011, 5:16 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
?? ???? ??? ????????: ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ?????!
This Syrian revolution is by far the best revolution in the Arab spring,they will keep demonstrating till they win, no dictator can win against people like the syrian people.
November 14th, 2011, 5:26 pm
Son of Damascus said:
@ Ghat Al Bird
I find it odd and peculiar when us Syrians blame the Jews for all our problems. Jews have been living in Damascus longer than any Allawi, Christian, or Muslim, our problem is not with the Jews or Israelis it is with ourselves. We chose (and for some sadly continue to do so) to be slaves to rulers that used us and deceived us, we chose to back a gang of despots not just in our country but through out the Arab world, and called them heroes for it. Our infighting and bickering is what made Israel so much more powerful than us today, not the Jewish mind.
@ Amir In Tel Aviv
The Arab cause according to dicktraitors/fundamentalist is the annihilation of Israel, to me the Arab cause is the annihilation of tyranny not just for the Palestinians but for all Arabs. Every human has a right to live in a free, democratic, and tolerant country, or at least they should; no matter their skin, faith, language, or social/economical status.
November 14th, 2011, 5:29 pm
zoo said:
As Libya is turning against its Arab saviour’s excessive meddling, is Qatar loosing his clout with Arabs ?
“Mahmud Jibril, former chairman of the NTC’s Executive Council; and Abdul-Rahman Shalqam, former Libyan foreign minister; launched an unprecedented scathing criticism [of the Qatari role]. The Qatari authorities have ignored the criticism and have not issued any statements either.”
“Numerous civil society organizations intended to stage a demonstration in Tripoli over the weekend, in protest of the Qatari role in Libya, but the demonstration was postponed until a later date.”
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27316
November 14th, 2011, 5:30 pm
irritated said:
Son of Damascuss #549
“Every human has a right to live in a free, democratic, and tolerant country,”
Provided he has a country. The Palestinians don’t, as Israel took it away for them: The worst form of tyranny: theft, occupation and oppression.
November 14th, 2011, 5:35 pm
Son of Damascus said:
@ Irritated
Yes you are right, and that is precisely what Bashar is doing!!
November 14th, 2011, 5:37 pm
irritated said:
Majedalkhadoon #548
“This Syrian revolution is by far the best revolution in the Arab spring”
Sorry! Until now Libya is the Best
– 15,000 and 30,000 dead and estimated 60,000 wounded,
– 3 or 4 cities cities totally destroyed,
– thousands of weapons available for any one
– thousands of displaced people
– and militias fighting with other today with a few more dead.
A real display of courage and tenacity.
Syria would probably do better if they follow your advices.
November 14th, 2011, 5:44 pm
irritated said:
#52 Son of Damascus
“that is precisely what Bashar is doing!”
…while he is actively supporting the resistance against the Israelis who are doing worse in a much larger scale on oppressing the Palestinians: He is a despot and/or a hero, you choose.
November 14th, 2011, 5:49 pm
bronco said:
The opposition new tricks: With the decline of anti-regime protesters, they now infiltrate pro-government rallies to turn them violent.
“The Local Coordination Committees activist network told AP that at least four of the deaths occurred in the central city of Hama when security forces fired on a group of opposition protesters who infiltrated a pro-government rally in the area.”
http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=103049
November 14th, 2011, 5:57 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
TARA,
357. Tara said:
“Khaled
If you believe that FSA’s objective is rather aggression not in degense(sic) of the unaemed civilians against Assad’s army atrocities then you should change your position and start supporting the regime. I am offended by your statement.”
Tara, sorry if you misunderstood my statement abt the FSA. I firmly believe that offensive operations and ambushes against loyalost Army is necessary and justified, whatever ppl like Ghufran may say. Offense is sometimes the best way of defense, and FSA does just that, I don;t criticise them for that. FSA is both an offensive and a defensive role, its promary role is defensive BUT if need be it SHOULD and it DOES undertaje offensive actions. What I meant in my original statement was that NOW IS NOT THE TIME to undertake offensive actions, what with the AL trying to send “observers”, and especially after Egypt, Algeria and Sudan have been more than kind in voting in our favor and Iraq has been kind enough to abstain, we should not do anything IN THESE 3-4 DAYS that will send out a wrong message to A.L. Its all okay to protect neighborhoods in Homs but at this moment it would be FOOLISH to attack a checkpoint in rural Idlib. Let things die down, let the AL go away and SYRIA AL ASSAD get suspended permanently, then we can go back to our plans. You must understand that the AL has been pretty generous to us by not mentioning that FSA needs to disarm and things like that, frankly I was expecting the Qatari FM to demand FSA to disarm and Riyad al Asad to surrender, fortunately that hasn’t happened, and now we should make the most of it. After 1 week, when things have died down in Cairo, we should go on the offensive again and pursue the tyrants everywhere and give them the ultimate punishment.
I hope I clarified any misunderstanding Tara. We need to avoid these and stick together in times like these.
November 14th, 2011, 5:58 pm
Son of Damascus said:
“…while he is actively supporting the resistance against the Israelis who are doing worse in a much larger scale on oppressing the Palestinians: He is a despot and/or a hero, you choose.”
As I recall his father lost the Golan, and since then NOTHING not one bullet to try to get it back. I guess “actively supporting the resistance” means something completely different to you than me!.
And he is occupying Syria, while he and his cronies rob syrians from any dignity. You know something the Israelis never did anything remotely like this to their OWN people, any injustice (which there are plenty of) that they have done is to OTHERS. While your traitorous hero claims he is the head of the resistance, he kills, tortures and oppresses his own people. Where was our mighty Syrian army when the Israeli’s flew a sortie over his Palace? where was our mighty leader of the resistance when they attacked Deir el Zour?
November 14th, 2011, 6:01 pm
jad said:
The work of the terrorists in Homs continue, kidnapping and killing, today a whole family was kidnapped,’peacefully’!
In Edleb, it’s even more ‘peaceful’, the terrorists are forcing school students at gunpoint to demonstrate:
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November 14th, 2011, 6:02 pm
irritated said:
Khalid Tlass #556
“After 1 week, when things have died down in Cairo, we should go on the offensive again and pursue the tyrants everywhere and give them the ultimate punishment.”
What a brilliant military strategy! I hope the FSA listen to you. It’s assured victory.
November 14th, 2011, 6:05 pm
Khalid Tlass said:
Tribal JAD,
So apparently the “terrorists” in Homs are still having a free run and going about a killing spree eh ? So whatever happened about the much boasted “clean up operation” the Syrian Persian Army conducted in Baba Amr ? What about declaring Baba Amr and Ba el sbaa sanitised and “safe for decent people”. Failed miserably ? Declared victory too early ?
November 14th, 2011, 6:16 pm
Tara said:
Bronco@ 555
“The opposition new tricks: With the decline of anti-regime protesters, they now infiltrate pro-government rallies to turn them violent.”
This is what actually happened. Was posted by Revlon in # 320. I think you missed it.
The Syrian Revolution 2011 ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????
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November 14th, 2011, 6:17 pm
irritated said:
#557 Son of Damascus
The Israelis are angels, tell this to the 2,000 families of the Lebanese who died in 2006 and the millions of Palestinians refugees living in Syria and Lebanon and not in the USA!
Spare me that stupid argument that the Israelis are admirable because they don’t kill their own citizens while they are allowed to kill and oppress thousands of others. A human life is a human life and an Israeli life is not more important than an Arab life.
Obviously your knowledge of the support Syria gave to Resistance is seriously flawed. Educate yourself better on the “angels” who occupy our land.
November 14th, 2011, 6:17 pm
jad said:
Blowing up the train tracks, again!
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http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=139975
November 14th, 2011, 6:20 pm
bronco said:
#56 Tara
Sorry but I skip Revlon’s numerous reports originated from Doublefacebook.
I have already hard time believing some medias reports, imagine if I would rely on Syrian Revolution postings to understand the truth on the ground!
What I posted was reported in AP, not on a blog.
November 14th, 2011, 6:24 pm
Tara said:
Khaled
I think you are trying to project your dogma as a salafist on the Syrian revolution forgetting that salafists virtually do not exist among the rank of the demonstrators. The FSA goal is to defend the demonstrators and the innocent civilians. They were not engaged in offensive operations against the army. If you think otherwise, you have to prove it and please don’t quote SANA or Aldoonya.
November 14th, 2011, 6:28 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Who own dp (day press)?
November 14th, 2011, 6:37 pm
Tara said:
Mundas
I agreed to all you said about how the Baathist destroyed the country. I was referring to the Baath ideology of Arab nationalism.
November 14th, 2011, 6:43 pm
jad said:
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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/25730
November 14th, 2011, 6:46 pm
jad said:
Terrorists attacked the Syrian Army in Daraa yet they come back saying that they were protecting civilians, ?? ?????????
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November 14th, 2011, 6:52 pm
bronco said:
Tara #566
It was quoting an AP report from the LCC not from eyewitnesses.
While not totally independent, DP news is less close to the regime than Al Jazeera is to the Qatar rulers.
I have not seen them yet distorting information.
If you insist, I could try to locate the AP report they refer to.
Do you really doubt that story? Infiltration is common in all demonstrations. It is an easy way to create havoc and I am sure the opposition wouldn’t shy away from doing it especially when the anti-regime protesters number is stumbling while the pro-regime rallies are growing stronger.
Funnily Le Monde recently used a photo of a pro-regime rally with the subtext describing it as as anti-regime demonstration.
November 14th, 2011, 6:53 pm
Tara said:
Darryl @445
“…the Arabs have more important things to do like, well we need to settle on what is the proper length of the beard to get to heaven. The Salafi and Saudi Sheikhs say a man’s beard should be as long as possible like caliph Omar’s (your hero). The Shia Sheikhs on the other hand, say it should not be longer than what you can grab with your hand. There are millions of Arab men who are at risk if the issue is not settled. This is especially important as we still do not know what pleases Allah so that the one sect in 73 gets in. So who cares about semiconductors, microelectronics, Gene therapy, IT etc etc.”…
Thank you for your answer in regard to the beards. No assessment is complete in that regard without further delineation of what hair and beard is to orthodox Christians and Catholics. I found you this page .
http://orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/clergy_hair.aspx
It appears tedious to read so I left it to you to give us a summary so we are all enlightened on how a good Christians go to heaven through beard and hair so all of us meet up there… I personally prefer to read about Camille (Rodin’s lover) and her raw unabashed emotions. Pity that she ended up institutionalized. Mental instititions should be the desting of people who hate, not people who love. Don’t you think?
November 14th, 2011, 7:03 pm
jad said:
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https://www.facebook.com/I.LoveHoms
November 14th, 2011, 7:04 pm
bronco said:
Dr. Ibrahim Zafarani, a veteran Muslim Brotherhood activist and former member of its Shura Council is part of the fact finding committee to visit Syria.
“4.20pm: Syria has agreed to receive a 500-strong fact-finding committee as part of efforts to find a peaceful resolution to the bloodshed, Reuters reports.
Ibrahim al-Zafarani, of the Arab Medical Union, is quoted as saying that Damascus has given the green light to such a mission, which would include military personnel. The committee was agreed upon during a meeting between Arab League officials and human rights groups in Cairo today.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/middle-east-live/2011/nov/14/syria-middle-east-unrest-live-updates
November 14th, 2011, 7:07 pm
jad said:
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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/25731
November 14th, 2011, 7:10 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
No Bronco. I insist not. Don’t waste your time.
Btw, talking about quoting from a blog, do you know who is Angry Arab? I assume he is a guy with an opinion. I am not really interested in knowing his personsl life story but want to know why some on SC have the tendency to quote him rather than telling us their own opinion. I find it odd.
November 14th, 2011, 7:15 pm
Darryl said:
549. SON OF DAMASCUS said:
“@ Ghat Al Bird
I find it odd and peculiar when us Syrians blame the Jews for all our problems.”
Son of Damascus, I second your thoughts as I have written about it months ago. The unfortunate thing is that Israel and the Jews are the only entity that Syrians and Arabs can criticize as everything else will attract violence and off limit to criticism.
Syrians, of all ethnic and religious affiliations need to win their earthly place first and then deal with the heavens. The revolution in Syria needed to have started in the halls of worship and the family home first.
November 14th, 2011, 7:15 pm
zoo said:
An excellent yet depressing and all encompassing analysis
Syria uprising victim of outside game
Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:52PM GMT
By Ramzy Baroud
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/210143.html
Syrians continue to be victimized, not only in violent clashes with the Syrian military, but also by regional and international players with various agendas.
Protests in Syria began on January 26, and a more inclusive uprising was set in motion on March 15. The initial demand was for serious political reforms, but this was eventually raised to a demand for full regime change, encompassing the unconditional departure of President Bashar al-Assad and his Baath Party, which has ruled Syria for decades.
Soon, there was a deadlock. The uprising failed to weaken the links between the regime, army and other security agencies. It also remained confined to areas outside the two most populated cities, Damascus, in the southwest, and Aleppo in the north. On the other hand, protests seemed extensive and prevalent enough to reflect a real sense of outrage at government practices, which grew with the reported deaths of Syrians all over the country. Despite a relentless military crackdown, and the killing of 3500 Syrians (according to a recent UN human rights office report), the government has not been able to quell the uprising, nor to provide a convincing political initiative that could spare Syria further bloodletting.
It could be argued that the impasse originated in Syria’s own political culture, espoused by the Baath Party’s legacy of shunning dialogue in times of crisis. More, those who ultimately designated themselves as Syria’s opposition remain largely divided, and often seemed to provide conflicting roadmaps for achieving democracy.
Earlier revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt were spared the terrible fate of people’s priorities becoming merely another agenda item to be decided by outside powers. Both revolutions had quickly reached the critical mass required to topple their dictators, denying outsiders the chance of meddling in the outcome. The situation in Syria, however, developed at a different pace. The uprising lacked the full support of the urban middle class. The army neither broke away from the ruling party, nor remained neutral. Additionally, months of violence – in which a successful Western military intervention in Libya toppled the regime of Mummer Ghaddafi – provided outside powers with the needed time to position themselves as the caretakers of Syria’s future. In other words, a popular uprising was decidedly hijacked and is currently being managed from Western and Arab capitals.
It was as though ordinary Syrians began realizing that their vision of achieving revolution from within was futile, and they bought into the illusion that only outside intervention could bring lasting change. These voices were emboldened by members of the Syrian National Council – seen as the lead opposition to the Baath regime – whose behavior seemed to model that of the Libyan National Transitional Council. The latter had blithely welcomed NATO to Libya, initially to ‘protect civilians’ from possible Libyan army retaliation, but eventually to carry out an airstrikes campaign that largely increased the number of deaths in Libya.
Adopting a model that rationalizes foreign intervention – which is incapable of exacting change without extreme violence – will bode horrible consequences for the Syrian people and the whole region. With the Syrian government failing to win the trust of large segments of the Syrian population, the opposition’s growing dependency on outside forces, and some Arab media networks fanning the flames of sectarianism and civil war, the Syrian deadlock is morphing into something even more dangerous: a Lebanon-style civil war or a Libyan-style foreign military intervention.
The fate of Syria is no longer likely to be influenced by the Syrian people themselves, nor by their government. All eyes are now on the United States. US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton tried to clarify the US position in her recent comments. In the case of Libya, NATO and Arab countries banded together “to protect civilians and help people liberate their country without a single American life lost,” she said. But in other cases, as in Syria, “to achieve that same goal, we would have to act alone, at a much greater cost, with far greater risks and perhaps even with troops on the ground.” For now, according to Clinton, US priorities in the region would have to remain focused on “our fight against al-Qaeda; defense of our allies; and a secure supply of energy” (The Washington Post, November 7).
Russia and China, worried that another US regime change venture could jeopardize their interests in the region, remain steadfast behind Damascus and critical of the factions that oppose the Assad regime. “We are concerned with news of ongoing aggression by extremist gunmen such as those which took place in Homs, Hama and Idlib in recent days with the provocative aim of forcing security agencies and the army in Syria to retaliate, and then launching a campaign via international media outlets,” said Russian Foreign Affairs Minister Sergei Lavrov in a recent statement (The Lebanese Daily Star, November 11).
The lines are thus drawn, between US-led Western camp and Russia and its own camp, which vehemently rejects a repeat of a Libyan scenario in a volatile region of unmatched geopolitical significance.
Whatever the outcome of this tussle, the Syrian uprising is increasingly being deprived of its own initiative. Currently, the issue of Syria is being entrusted to the Arab League, which lacks both credibility (since it is too divided between regional interests) and any history of successful political initiatives. On November 2, Syria announced that it had agreed to an Arab League plan which called for the withdrawal of security forces from the streets, the release of prisoners and talks with the opposition.
However, it is very probable that some Arab countries are keen to employ the league in a similar fashion to the way it was used with the war on Libya: a mere springboard that eventually allowed NATO’s war to take place. Signs of such a scenario are becoming clearer, especially following the league’s vote to suspend Syria’s membership on November 12. Indeed, In a New York Times editorial on November 8, the role of the Arabs seems to be confined to just that. The Arab League “should eject Syria and urge the United Nations Security Council to condemn Mr. Assad and impose international sanctions against the regime,” the Times counseled. “Russia and China will find it harder to block a Security Council resolution – as they did in October – if the Arab world calls for action that goes beyond the sanctions already imposed by the United States and Europe.”
And so the saga continues. If Syria doesn’t wrestle its fate from the hands of these self-serving forces, the Syrian uprising and Syria as a whole will continue to be marred by uncertainties and foreboding possibilities.
– Ramzy Baroud (www.ramzybaroud.net) is an internationally-syndicated columnist and the editor of PalestineChronicle.com. His latest book is My Father Was a Freedom Fighter: Gaza’s Untold Story (Pluto Press, London), available on Amazon.com.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/210143.html
November 14th, 2011, 7:20 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
I dont believe in Beard and I dont believe in veil,both are not part of Islam, Islam is about believe in God and do good deeds only,all those who believe in god and do good deed and avoid bad deeds are moslems,we have problems with the interpretations of Quraan and true Hadiths.
I have a question, if the syrian crisis refered again to UNSC would Russia, China and india be against the decision by AL,it is no longer an issue with Syria only, those countries has to consider their relations with the GCC,and now there is big evidence that Bashar is a lier,I think next time the resolution may pass .
November 14th, 2011, 7:25 pm
bronco said:
#575 Tara
I usually don’t quote from a blog unless the owner is a very well known analyst. The others are just different point of view, that’s all
Finding the truth in the labyrinth of the medias, all looking for rewarding scoops at any cost is an exhausting experience.
I guess I better sit and wait as anyway none of us can affect the development on the ground, it is beyond us.
November 14th, 2011, 7:27 pm
Ghat Al Bird said:
@542. nice of you to add a link of a foto of your mother.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/playwrighter/3010176237/
November 14th, 2011, 7:29 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
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November 14th, 2011, 7:30 pm
Darryl said:
578. MAJEDKHALDOUN said:
“I dont believe in Beard and I dont believe in veil,both are not part of Islam, Islam is about believe in God and do good deeds only,all those who believe in god and do good deed and avoid bad deeds are moslems,we have problems with the interpretations of Quraan and true Hadiths.”
I am sorry to say this Dr Khaldoun, did you have a “road to Damascus” conversion?
What has prompted this post?
November 14th, 2011, 7:36 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Agree with your views of not quoting from a blog unless the author is a well known analyst. I like a life opinion not a qoted one.
Yes, It is difficult finding the truth. I wonder if pro regime who insist on totally believing the regime narrative still defending the regime’s initial approach of banning foreign press especially now that the regime seems to change position in allowing observers on the ground.
It doesn’t look like the wait is going to be that long. The AL is meeting on Wednesday. I think we will have a good idea of what moth happen then. No?
November 14th, 2011, 7:46 pm
jad said:
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November 14th, 2011, 7:50 pm
bronco said:
Tara #583
I am not sure things will go fast. It never is when the situation is so intricated and the stakes so high. Lebanon civil war has similar intricacies and it lasted 15 years.
Ramzy Baroud’s article posted by Zoo (577) convinced me that it is going to a long, long and depressing journey for Syrians and for people who love Syria as they watch the country falling apart slowly.
https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=12690#comment-283170
November 14th, 2011, 8:05 pm
jad said:
Bronco,
You might find this interesting, it’s about the meeting between the SNC and Oglu pasha:
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November 14th, 2011, 8:08 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
It is so annoying to read how Khaddam and Rifaat al Assad both drooling and dreaming about potential seats in the new government of Syria. Don’t these people know how much they bare hated by the average Syrian citizen? They are completely detached from reality!
November 14th, 2011, 8:10 pm
jad said:
Some of As’ad AbuKhalil comments today:
This is like Hitler asking Mussolini to respect his people
This is the butt of jokes by Arabs on the internet: that Jordanian King–of all people–has called on Syrian president to step down. In other news, Saudi King has called on the Sultan of Oman to promote women’s rights.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Yemeni opposition versus Syrian (official) opposition
Mohammad sent me this (I cite with his permission): “notice how the yemeni protesters publicly, explicitly and repeatedly denounce saudi arabian meddling in their country, but the syrian national council always praises saudi? and despite the violence perpetrated by yemeni forces against protesters, no yemeni has called for a no fly zone, unlike in syria where every other day we say huge signs at the protests calling for a no fly zone-even though the syrian air force hasn’t been used! nothing against the syrian people protesting, but this is getting very frustrating.”
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Nada Bakri on Syria–again: when a mob is a mob, and when a mob is not a mob
First notice the title: it talks about a mob. So a mob is a group of Arabs who don’t support the US and its clients in the region. When “people” attacked Syrian dissidents in Cairo and threw rocks, eggs, and tomatoes at them and beat the shit out of some of them, the New York Times did not describe them as mobs, as in “Mobs Strike Embassies After Group Bans Syria.” If protesters in Lebanon attack the Iranian or Syrian embassies, do you think that Barki or the Times would describe them as a mob? You know the answer. Then Bakri seeks an independent analysis of the situation in Syria, so since the “objective” Zionists of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy were not available, she settles on the second best. A propagandist for the House of Saud who writes in the mouthpiece of Prince Salman, Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat. She then describes Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat thus: “a Saudi-owned Arabic newspaper.” A few sentences later she describes Syrian newspapers thus: “The Thawra and Tishreen newspapers, both mouthpieces of the government”. So a question must be raised about the obvious biased standards of Barki: why is a Saudi-owned newspaper not described as a mouthpiece of the Saudi government very much like Tishrin and Thawra are indeed mouthpieces of the lousy Syrian government? Or is Bakri implying that House of Saudi, when they own a newspaper, never interfere with the journalistic process? But Bakri then reports in passing about the pro-regime demonstrations: “The Arab League decision was met by popular anger across Syria on Sunday, and tens of thousands of government supporters poured into the main squares of major cities, expressing their anger at Arab officials and shouting slogans in support of their embattled leader.” Pictures are not necessary although youtube footage of much smaller anti-regime demonstrations are always provided in Western media. But Bakri, to be fair to her, decides to interview one protester out of the thousands that she mentioned: he is described as “government employee” thereby implying clearly that the mob or pro-regime demonstrators are all state employee. I mean, forget about politics, and knowing that foreign editors of US newspapers forget their job when they read over texts about a government that is not on the side of the US/Israel, but what about the journalistic standards of Bakri?? Ms. Bakri when reporting on matters against the Syrian regime never even bothers to provide sources: can you imagine if she is reporting about matters against Israel or the government of Jordan. Look at this sentence: ” including four who were killed by security forces for chanting slogans against Mr. Assad at a pro-government rally in Hama (.” How did you know that, Ms. Bakri? You are based in Beirut, did you see it from your window just as “Abu Muhammad, the witness” sees events all around Syria from his window in Idlib and reports about it for Aljazeera?
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
November 14th, 2011, 8:20 pm
Darryl said:
571. TARA said:
“Thank you for your answer in regard to the beards. No assessment is complete in that regard without further delineation of what hair and beard is to orthodox Christians and Catholics. I found you this page .”
Dear Tara my pleasure, I am always obliged to help my fellow Syrians. I just thought it was a burning issue for you as to why Shia don’t have long beards. Rest assured I am still trying to keep with all the volleys being fired across Bronco’s bow.
“It appears tedious to read so I left it to you to give us a summary so we are all enlightened on how a good Christians go to heaven through beard and hair so all of us meet up there… I personally prefer to read about Camille (Rodin’s lover) and her raw unabashed emotions.”
I have a hard time trying to balance many things and don’t get enough time to practice my musical instruments. I do not know how you do it Tara, where do you get the time?. Oh wait, you didn’t do what that Texan did many years ago who invented a 25 hour day by making a 55 minute clock?
To be more serious, Priests do not waste their time arguing that Christians need to have a beard or not in order to get to heaven. Priests do not waste their time debating whether women are allowed in heaven or not. Priest do not waste their time making heaven appear as a place of women, wine and song. Priest do not waste their time talking about eating with your right hand otherwise your personal devil will eat your food if you use the left one. The list goes on and on.
At least they are not being scientific about it like the Sheikhs who measure it to the length of Caliph Omar’s beard or what you can grab with a hand. I mean these measurements are so accurate and are on par to using Cesium wavelengths as a measurement tool.
I hope we see you in heaven Tara, but I am saddened to say you are dis-qualified according to the Messenger. Even UZAIR8 was embarrassed to respond to my query.
“Pity that she ended up institutionalized. Mental instititions should be the desting of people who hate, not people who love. Don’t you think?”
I am assuming, you mean resting place instead of desting? I totally agree, you are not accusing me of hate are you?
November 14th, 2011, 8:50 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
http://all4syria.info/web/archives/36745
November 14th, 2011, 9:01 pm
Ghufran said:
Majed,
I share your belief in what it means to be a Muslim
As for the UNSC,I still believe Russia will veto any aggressive resolution.
November 14th, 2011, 9:02 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Syria’s Journalists Union on 14 Nov 2011 condemned Syria’s suspension by the Arab League (AL) as irresponsible and ill-informed, and based on unverified and false TV reports. The Union said that the AL Committee should have taken up the government’s suggestion of visiting Syria to find out the facts before it reached any decision. The Union stressed that Syria is able to overcome the present crisis through the awareness of the Syrian people and their support for the government of President al-Assad which is the leader of the comprehensive reform program. Note: All the trades unions in Syria are pro-regime. This is one of the things that makes the regime strong. http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/14/381595.htm . Syria’s Minister of Information, Adnan Mahmoud, on 14 Nov 2011 said that the Syrian people have rejected the Arab League’s resolution of 12 Nov 2011. The Minister described the AL’s resolution as “a violation of the Arab League’s work plan which was agreed to on November 2nd”. He reiterated that the government is committed to implementing the work plan of November 2nd as it is consistent with the government’s vision for solving the crisis. http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/11/14/381572.htm
November 14th, 2011, 9:03 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Darryl
No conversion,this is my believe all along.
November 14th, 2011, 9:03 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
The committee revising the Constitution was created a month ago on 15 Oct. It was given a deadline of four months to finish. Today 14 Nov it held only its third meeting. Its previous two meetings were mostly about administration and housekeeping for the committee. Clearly, this committe could be moving at a faster pace than it is moving at. Equally clear to me, the committee didn’t need to be given four months to do the job. Four days would’ve been enough, four weeks would’ve been more than enough. I’ve said that repeatedly before. Yesterday the President of Lebanon said he wished the government would carry out the reforms program “quickly”. The Prime Minister of Qatar said the same on Saturday. The Russian and Chinese governments have been saying the same repeatedly for months. It is only at the top regime, and not among the friends of the regime in Syria or abroad, where it’s contended that the revision to the Constitution is moving at the right pace. The top of the regime has not supported its contention with clear and sensible reasoning. Since the process is very clearly capabIe of moving at a faster pace, I have to expect that the top of the regime thinks it sees a tactical advantage in not moving faster, something I don’t see.
November 14th, 2011, 9:06 pm
Son of Damascus said:
@ Irritated
If you bothered to actually read my post, you would see that at no point do I claim Israel is an angel, actually I said the latter that they are part of the tyranny in the mideast. However you showed me with your quick and might I add baseless post what a typical menhabakji state of mind is at. Blame the whole world before we take a look at ourselves, because how dare a Syrian criticize or even have the thought of criticizing your god Bashar, well I am a Syrian through and through and I don’t only criticize him, I want to see his neck dangling in marjeh square like the traitorous scum he is. He was NEVER for Syria, he was and will always be for the Assad clan, and the Assad clan ONLY.
November 14th, 2011, 9:10 pm
son of Damascus said:
@ Darryl
I don’t care if your god is Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, or even the flying spaghetti monster. What matters is what you are inside, your god does not define you, your actions do.
This revolution is not a religious uprising, but an uprising for freedom and dignity. Syrians have had enough of tyranny, humiliation, and false promises.
November 14th, 2011, 9:17 pm
Tara said:
Darryl
Ah…The burning issue for me was to know the length of beard that get you to heaven across ALL religions and sects. I thought the link discussed that matter well but I am interested in a summary only. No need for intricacies. May be in your spare time you can read it and summarize it to us.. Oh wait… Yes, priests do not waste their time arguing stuff Muslim sheiks argue. Perhaps they did in the past. They now have more important stuff to talk about. The pressing issue in the catholic church recently was in regard to how to prevent child molestation by the catholic priests across the church and how not to reappoint the same child molersting -priests in positions where they are exposed to children again.. Did they reach a resolution yet?
Erdogan can’t talk on the phone while being driven around. He once had to stop the traffic in a busy intersection in Istanbul for half an hour to answer a phone call from another prime minister or president. People like Erdogan should not complain about not having enough time to do stuff. One needs to drive and talk at the same time. They can find plenty of time with simple multitasking.
Desting was a typo. I meant destiny.
November 14th, 2011, 9:30 pm
Ghufran said:
Saying that the FSA is simply in the business of defending unarmed civilians is not much better than NATO’s claim that it only targeted Qadhafi’s troops in Libya or Saddam’s forces in Iraq,much of what the armed opposition groups are doing is indiscriminate killing,and a lot of that is actually done by plain criminals that were never part of the Syrian army.
The label of FSA is a political one since much of the dirty work is not done by soldiers who are “defending” civilians. I will be the first to accept acts of self defense and the last to believe the myth that random killings is honorable and justified,whether done by the regime or anybody else.
Tara,I think the new khaled and the old revlon helped us understand where this armed movement is going.
November 14th, 2011, 9:38 pm
Norman said:
I have a question,
The AL is sending 500 monitors to Syria,
Does that mean, we are not going to expect an air campaign against Syria, at least soon,
November 14th, 2011, 9:56 pm
Tara said:
Zoo @ 577
Bronco@ 583
Agree with most not all of Ramzi Baroud’s article. It does sound depressing yet you both need to have faith. The way I see it is that there is a reason why Damascus is the oldest city alive, and there is a reason why all Arabs and foreigners who live in Syria have deep affection to the Syrians. Syrians are exactly like how Bronco described them, nationalistic, genuine, generous, non-sectarian, and deeply rooted. The same way Syrians are now redefining courage, Syrians will find their way to build their own democracy that will be an example to all in the ME. I truly do not believe that Syria will not see a civil war. May be isolated acts of revenge here and there but not full scale civil war. We are just different.
November 14th, 2011, 9:57 pm
Norman said:
The king of Jordon was the first Arab leader to warn of the Shea crescent, this all Shea/Sunni war withe help of the US trying to make up for getting rid of Saddam Hussein,
November 14th, 2011, 10:11 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Where’s Spammie Annie?
She must be out buying a bunker to hide in now that it’s finally hitting the fan. I’m not gonna miss all the cut and paste numbers she posted on SC.
November 14th, 2011, 10:11 pm
Ghufran said:
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Time will tell whether Islamist parties can govern and improve the lives of their fellow citizens without forcing non believers into accepting a second class status. You can initiate political reform but you can not predict the outcome.
November 14th, 2011, 10:17 pm
Norman said:
This is what my favorite uncle said about Syria when i asked him what he thinks, I asked his permission to share with all of you,
(( In my opinion: The dark tunnel gets darker, the journey is long, the losses have not even started yet. The West wants the removal of the Regime at the expense of the Syrians. The opposition abroad is enjoying the 5 star hotels and the recognition they are getting and are spending all their time inciting the poor Syrians at home, who are partly genuine, but paying with their blood. As for Assad: The alternative of ending the bloodshed is coupled with the thoughts: 1. To whom should I give the keys? (2) Who has the keys (3) Having killed 5 thousand they are certainly going to cut my throat, if I kill 50000 will they cut it twice??? The only hope would have been the The Arab Union demanding binding negotiations leading to Parties, Elections, Constitution within 6 months under their and the Carter Institute observation, with immediate stoppage of all demonstrations. They missed the chance.
Pray for loved ones unfortunately living in Syria.))
November 14th, 2011, 10:18 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
No ghufran, FSA are angels.
Norman
The delegation that will observe things on ground will only take three days and report to AL, by next week action should start.
November 14th, 2011, 10:33 pm
???? said:
595. SON OF DAMASCUS
I agree with your answer. I love it.
November 14th, 2011, 10:56 pm
jad said:
Bronco,
Read this, Alarabi was busy taking orders from pokemon of how to protect the Syria civilian!? Seriously who believe these BS!
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November 15th, 2011, 12:13 am
son of Damascus said:
@ 606 ????
Irritated really irritated me (I guess he is true to his name) with his selective, and limited ability to actually read something from start to finish before regurgitating the verbal diarrhea that we all have been fed before.
I’m just sick (who wouldn’t after being fed diarrhea for so long!) and tired of people trying to defend betho or his regimes actions. To claim that they are against the regime yet call the heroes that are standing up to a tyrant a terrorist is just pure and utter garbage.
@Menhabakji
If you claim you are a secularist but don’t “trust” the opposition because of their religious tone, then why are not doing something about it to make sure the opposition represents you? Do you really believe that dialogue with the regime will achieve democracy? Can you really reason with a man that lost touch with all moral and human aptitude. This banality of evil should and must end, you cannot continue to condone and sheer the regime while they beat and humiliate us to submission.
November 15th, 2011, 12:50 am
jad said:
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November 15th, 2011, 1:05 am
Uzair8 said:
Darryll
Only God Knows who is going to heaven.
November 15th, 2011, 1:29 am
Dale Andersen said:
Forty-one percent of Israelis favor an attack on Iran. Thirty-nine percent are opposed. The other twenty percent want to know what’s for lunch.
November 15th, 2011, 2:42 am
ann said:
Arab League playing by US rules – expert – Nov 15, 2011
Interview with Vyacheslav Matuzov, President of the Russian Society for the Promotion of Friendship and Business Ties with Arab Countries.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/11/15/60405996.html
I was talking to political observers who supported involvement of the League of Arab States in Syrian affairs to settle all political discussion over Syria and prevent from foreign interference in internal affairs of Syria as an independent state, member of the United Nations Organization. But I applauded to results of meeting on the level of Minister of Foreign Affairs of the League of Arab States who sent to Syrian leadership their constructive project to solve internal political issue in Syria and after Syrian response for that apply of League of Arab States what’s to be occurred is the process for normalization the situation in Syria going ahead. But suddenly we hear that the United States of America demanded from the opposition leadership, that is organized by the US on Turkish territory and some other European countries too, demanded from the opposition leaders not to put down their weapons and to fight for throwing political leadership of Syrian republic. It was a contradiction to the principles of the United Nations Organization, international law and principle of settlement of Syrian issue that was demanded by Arab countries, by all world public opinion and Syrian people. Unfortunately we found out that this American demand found a good response from leaders of League of Arab States and they dramatically changed their position and converted to rules dictated by the United States. In my opinion the League of Arab States after taking decision to suspend Syrian participation in that League lost a great deal because Syria is one of those so called founders of League of Arab States. Syria is an Arab state; you cannot exclude or include on the level of the Minister of Foreign Affairs one very important state in the Arab world. It is the result of dictate of the United States of America but not the Arab will. Unfortunately this decision of League of Arab States showed that the role of League of Arab States in international affairs is lowering and we cannot consider from that moment that League of Arab States could be a reliable organization to support Arab states in our turbulent world. It’s unfortunately I can state this is a very true thing.
Mr. Matuzov, do I get it right that you believe that the League of Arab States is taking a bias position and it does not impose any requirements for the Syrian opposition, it is just addressing its concerns to Mr. Bashar Assad and his Government?
That’s absolutely correct conclusion because Russian position for example also bases on demand to Syrian Government to slow down using its military forces, to calm down the situation on the subject. But at the same time Russia, being independent from America, address the same demand to the Syrian opposition concentrated mainly on Turkish territory. We well know that militarized opposition in Syrian cities Homs and Hama and Der’a in quite a lot of cases used its weapons against military targets, against police stations, against governmental organizations establishments and so on. I think that this was lack of this demand to opposition forces to put down their weapons; it directly showed that one intention from the United States of America, American representatives and it reflects in League of Arab States’ position automatically. It was demand to withdraw Syrian Government and President Bashar Assad to put them out of the power and replace it by the opposition by force. It is not the way for negotiations that was contained in the first League of Arab States offer to the Syrian Government but a new form of coup d’état in Syria by the demand of the League of Arab States. These are unacceptable conditions and I think that it is a wrong role of the League of Arab States in this case.
Mr. Matuzov now, these days we are witnessing a visit to Syria by the head of the Russian Orthodox Church. So how would you comment on that?
Well it is a coincidence because this visit of Russian Holiest Patriarch Cyril to Damascus was planned beforehand, it was a regular visit but it is considered with the events developed on Syrian spring and the position of the Russian Orthodox Church, Christian Church. This links the Russian position and this visit of Russian Holiest Patriarch Cyril to Damascus reflects the opinion of all Russian people, Russian Federation, population in all their religious groups and segments of our society. I think that this visit of the Patriarch it was blessed by God to bring peace not war to Syria, to Arab world, to Islamic world. I think it was a very successful visit to this region and Russian Orthodox Church plays a very positive role in this case.
November 15th, 2011, 3:05 am
Mina said:
Syrian opposition in Moscow
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/26580/World/Region/Syrian-opposition-in-Moscow-for-official-talks-.aspx
November 15th, 2011, 4:34 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/
Demand for electricity grew year-on-year by 3.4% as of October 2011. We can take that as one indicator that broad economic activity is huming along steadily. The Minister of Electricity also said that supply of electricity is able to meet the demand and new power plants are currently under construction to meet anticipated continued growth in demand. http://www.sana.sy/ara/2/2011/11/13/381114.htm
Via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/
A large cement production company in Tartous says it’s having a banner year. http://www.aksalser.com/index.php?page=view_news&id=c98c9834b23008d436ffd5e6f8741109&ar=823116134
November 15th, 2011, 4:59 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com. In a publishing organ of the Syrian Baath Party, http://www.albaathmedia.sy , in the conclusion of an article dated 12 Nov 2011, we have a statement that I believe reflects today’s consensus within the Baath party: “I and all the Syrians are not with the dictatorship, and we are not with stagnancy, and we do not want to impair the potential of the individual. Instead we are with President Assad, who has promised that errors of the past are about to be corrected… And we can build a better Syria together, all for Syria and Syria for all.” More disputably the same article also says: “We stand with President Assad, because all the other Arab leaders are ignoramouses, ignorant of the facts, ignorant in policy and morals, ignorant of the justice of the Resistance… “Ref.
November 15th, 2011, 5:01 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
A video via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/. Pretty high resolution Syrian State TV news video of the pro-regime rally in Deir Ezzor on Sunday (denouncing the Arab League’s action). Coverage of Deir Ezzor city starts at time 13:40 in this video. The primary thing to see, and I’ve said this before about earlier rallies, and I’m saying it again because I think it’s important to appreciate it, is that the great majority of the women are wearing hijabs which is proof that the religious conservatives support the regime, in Deir Ezzor at least. The second thing to see is that the crowd size is seriously big. The intention to have this rally was only announced only around 18 hours before it took place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zcZd41NVNSY#t=821s Starting at around time 17:40 the video’s the coverage moves to Sunday’s rally in Raqqa. The same two points apply to Raqqa as to Deir Ezzor. Starting at time around 20:40 the coverage moves to the rally in Hasaka, where the same applies again, although not as intensely as in Deir Ezzor. Starting at time 22:30 the coverage moves to the rally in Suweida. The people of Suwieda are predominantly non-Sunni in religion. So the fact that almost none of the women at the Suweida rally are wearing hijabs is nothing to be worried about.
November 15th, 2011, 5:08 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
@ JAD, since you’re still banging on about Turkey, you might still be interested in this dated 25 Sep 2011: http://www.alwatan.sy/dindex.php?idn=109097 Here’s a summary of it. On 29 Aug 2011 Bashar Assad met with a delegation of people who are Syrians living in Kuwait. In response to a question concerning the reasons for Turkey’s tough talk against the Syrian regime, Bashar replied by saying, according to some members of the delegation: “Erdogan and the army and security in Turkey are supportive to us, the only opposition for us in Turkey is Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu and he was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, then turned Salafi.” To illustrate what he was saying Bashar reportedly went on to say that senior personnel in the forces of law and order in Syria contacted their counterparts in the Turkish forces for advice and coordination regarding the pursuit of terrorist groups in the Mount Zawiya area of Idlib province adjacent to the Turkish border. In the course of discussions the Turkish side recommended using heavier-bore weapons and more armour than the Syrians were using against the terrorists, according to Bashar, as reported by members of the Syrian Kuwaiti delegation. I got that via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/
November 15th, 2011, 5:13 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Via http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/ quoting http://www.aksalser.com/ . On Sunday the Aleppo Chamber of Industry denounced the Arab League’s action that was announced only the day before, on Saturday. That was quick! No need to poll the Chamber’s members to find out whether a denunciation would be approved by the members. The members are known to support the regime one hundred percent. The regime’s support is very broad and very deep in Aleppo city.
Here’s a duplicate of a post in the previous thread about Aleppo city last Friday.
November 15th, 2011, 5:16 am
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
Here’s my caricature of my opinion of what the fundamental foreign policy of Jordan is: “Our Jordan is a weak concubine in this world. We love to suck the dicks of the Western countries. It gives us a sense of security. Their mightiness turns us on, and it makes us flaccid, pliable, and supine, yet safe and sort of respected when we’re with them. We don’t spend our time analyzing our various foreign policies. It’s a man’s world.”
November 15th, 2011, 5:21 am
Revlon said:
590. Dear majedkhaldoun, thank you for the link to this historic annoncement.
I am hereby posting it in its the entirity, along with personal translation.
http://all4syria.info/web/archives/36745
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The FSA forms the Transitional Military Council (TMC)
2011/11/14
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Announcement
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Due to current events and in reponse to demands of the Syrian Revolution we hereby decree the following:
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FIRST
A TMC is established within the FSA.
It is staffed by hereunder named Colonels
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1. President, Riad AlAsaad
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2. Member, Malek Kurdi
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3. Member, Ahmad Hijazi
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4. Member, Arafat AlHmood
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5. Member, Aref AlHmood
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6. Member. Abderrazzaq AlHmood
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7. Member, Abdessattar Younso
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8. Member, Ghassan Hlaihel
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9. Member, Maher Alrahmoon
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SECOND
FSA tasks include the deliberation of the following matters:
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1. Armed forces goals of
– taking down the regime,
– protecting civilians from attacks by regime forces
– protecting public properties
– preventing choas and acts of revenge upon the collapse of the regime.
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Organisational; including census,deployment, logistics, and training.
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3. Issuing military decrees
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4. deliberating arising matters presented by the president of the TMC.
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The TMC assumes the responsibilities of the Amnesty commision, stipulated in the current laws, applicable to civil and military court rulings on cases related to the revolution since its inception.
The president of The FSA have the power to present to the TMC requests for amnesty for consideration.
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4. The TMS appoints a secretary from its members to look after administrative matters.
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5. members of the TMC may assume additional administrative or combat related military positions.
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6. Decrees are passed if agreed upon by majority of 2/3rds of members.
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7. The council appoints an Official Military Spokesman,tasked with issuing FSA announcements, congruent with the TMC strategy.
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8. Powers of the FSA in combat and security shall be absolute.
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9. A finance committee is established the instruction of the FSA commander. It is tasked with controlling army income; The FSA commander shall be the authorised singatory for expediture.
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10. The headquarter is Damascus; other places could be chosen if needed
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The flag adopted by the SNC shall be the official flag of the army.
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Teh TMC convenes at the order of the President, or whom he chooses to deputise.
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13. A special Revolution Military Court is is established to prosecute members of the regime who are found guilty of murder or assault on civilians or vandalsim, as deemed fit by the commander of the FSA.
It applies related rules of martial courts.
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14. TMC members are prohibited from joining any political or religious parties.
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15. The TMC is the highest military authority in Syria; It has the vested powers to disciplin as it deems appropriate any disobediant member of the armed forces.
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The TMC may initiate contacts with foreign governments, organisations, individuals, or military groups within and outside Syria.
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A military Police force is established. It is tasked with tracking regime fugitives and investigating the crimes that they committed in order to present their files to the Revolution Court.
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All security apparatuses of the fallen regimem are considered disbanded; All of its members who have not committed crimes are to join the FSA immediately.
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All officers, ranks and files of the Syrian armed forces are to join the FSA.
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All government and political insitutions must cooperate with the FSA and abide by its decrees.
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Syrian nationals anywhere, ought to cooperate with the TMC since it represent their National Army.
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The mandate of the TMC ends with the democratic election of a representative government.
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The Army in this decree refers to the FSA and the Commander to that of the FSA
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The commander instructs all elements of the army to abide by the international laws concerning the protection of civilians and civil properties.
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Colonel, Riad Al Asaad
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FSA xommander, Colonel Riad AlAsaad announces the formation of
the TMC and lodges a request with the Turkish Government for military assistance, in order to bring Asad regime to an end.
November 15th, 2011, 5:32 am
majedkhaldoun said:
The regime is turning to a mad cow,over 70 were killed by the regime yesterday.
November 15th, 2011, 7:38 am
Uzair8 said:
The regime forces must be exhausted. A tired demoralised force being harrassed by FSA.
Homs #Syria Free Syrian Army IED attack on bus filled with #Assad thugs
November 15th, 2011, 7:42 am
majedkhaldoun said:
SNC team that visited Moscow said
1- Russian veto encouraged the syrian regime to kill more arrest more and get more stubborn.
2 – Russia is risking in its support for Assad, risking to loose its good relations with future goverment in Syria.
3- Russia needs to help avoid foreign military intervention by applying much more pressure on Bashar.
4- Bashar and his regime has committed a lot crimes,while SNC wants dialogue ,they will not have dialogue with criminals, ,Bashar has to leave and any dialogue will be with the substitute goverment.
November 15th, 2011, 8:23 am
Haytham Khoury said:
Enjoy reading this, Guys.
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http://haytham-khoury3.blogspot.com/2011/11/blog-post_15.html
November 15th, 2011, 8:24 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Dear Revlon,
Thank you for the translation!
I like the ideas expressed by the opposition. Even if so far, this is just a paperwork, it’s significant. Because ideas create reality.
I liked particularly the idea that it is not about a person (Riad AlAsaad), but about a team work. The idea of decentralizing power. The idea of creating multiple institutions, with a vision of checks and balances.
I liked also those ideas:
@Decrees are passed if agreed upon by majority of 2/3rds of members;
@The flag adopted by the SNC shall be the official flag of the army (they leave the politics of national flags to the politicians);
@TMC members are prohibited from joining any political or religious parties (very wise);
@The mandate of the TMC ends with the democratic election of a representative government (extremely wise!).
I recommend reading about George Washington’s ideas, that he expressed during the war against the Brits. The TMC statement reflects those ideas.
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November 15th, 2011, 8:41 am
Tara said:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-has-lost-faith-in-syria-turkish-prime-minister-erdogan-2011-11-15
Turkey has lost faith in Syria: Turkish Prime Minister Erdo?anFont
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
ANKARA – Agence France-Presse
Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan gestures while addressing members of Parliament from his ruling AK Party during a meeting at the parliament in Ankara, on November 15, 2011. AFP Photo
Turkey has abandoned hope that Syria will respond to international demands to halt violence and initiate democratic reforms, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an said today.
“We no longer expect the Assad government to show honest, persuasive, brave and determined leadership,” Erdo?an told his party’s lawmakers. “No one expects him to respond to the demands of the international community anymore.” Erdogan, once a close political ally and a personal friend of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, has for months expressed frustration at Assad’s failure to listen to his people.
“The Syrian government is on a very dangerous and narrow path, like the edge of a knife,” he told the weekly meeting. “It is our common desire for him to turn back from this path, which has a cliff at the end.” Erdo?an slammed Assad over weekend attacks on Turkey’s diplomatic missions in three Syrian cities.
“It is the honour of every country to protect foreign citizens and diplomats. Syria should understand that trying to send a message through those attacks shows weakness and ignorance,” he said.
Thousands of pro-regime protestors armed with knives and batons attacked Turkish diplomatic missions in the Syrian capital Damascus as well as Aleppo and Latakia on Saturday over Turkey’s support for an Arab League decision to suspend Syria.
Around 5,000 demonstrators smashed the windows of Turkey’s honorary consulate building in Latakia and burned a Turkish flag.
Turkey hailed the Arab League decision as “timely and one of common sense.” On Sunday, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu met with representatives of the Syrian opposition movement, the Syrian National Council, which was founded in Turkey in August.
The council, the country’s largest and most representative opposition grouping, sought permission to set up an office in Turkey. A Turkish diplomat who declined to be named said Ankara was considering the request.
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
November 15th, 2011, 9:17 am
bronco said:
Jad,
Latest BBC reports from Russia: Ghalioun has failed to convince Russia to follow his request for pressuring Bashar al Assad to step down as prerequisite to the dialog.
Ghalioun is trying to lure Russia to accept a UN resolution ‘to protect the civilians’, but Russia, after Libya’s resolution, would probably reject it.
Russia insists on a dialog between the opposition and Bashar al Assad’s government. The arrival of Poutine in the next few months may bring Russia to change its mind about Bashar staying in power, but for now Russia stands by Bashar.
Ghaliun declared that the dialog should aim at removing the regime and setup a transition to democracy, while Russia insists that its aim is to reach a progressive transition to democracy under the leadership of Bashar Al Assad.
Ghalioun’s position indicates that he got the full support of the Turks, without spelling it out.
Is it a coincidence that the AL informed today that they canceled the planned meeting with the Opposition?
The pretext is that Nabil Al Arabi is in Morocco preparing the meeting on the 16th november.
It is possible that the AL understood that are getting into a stalemate with the opposition as Ghaliun’s view could not be changed and that they would have to admit their failure in securing the other party of the ‘dialog’.
It could also may mean that they can’t proceed further with the deal and they would prefer to get rid of it and move it to the UNSC after the AL meeting on the 16th.
Now the next step is the AL meeting the 16th of november
In the meeting on the 16th that will decide if Syria will or will not be expelled from the Arab league there are
two avenues:
– AL will not freeze Syria because that would mean the end of the deal as Syria would not cooperate anymore with the AL. Syria has accepted to fulfill its part of the deal, even though they have not totally succeeded in stopping the violence, while the Al has been unable to ensure a united opposition for the dialog. The Al may use that as a pretext to postpone the decision. They will ask the Opposition to come with a united front and a united position within a certain time before a final decision is taken. In the meantime the AL will send observers and report about the situation to the AL.
The situation will move according to the Al deal but with new deadlines both for Syria and for the opposition.
– AL will proceed with the freezing Syria from the Arab League, close the Arab embassies, impose sanctions and require Bashar al Assad to step down. If he does not without a certain deadline, they will refer the issue to the UNSC. Russia will veto any resolution.
Syria will reject the decision and call for an Arab summit for the leaders of the Arab countries. There will be renewed violence and massive demonstrations in favor of Bashar al Assad and a clear move toward a civil war. Chaos will prevail in Syria.
It’s still open to multiple interpretations, this is only one.
November 15th, 2011, 9:29 am
bronco said:
#626. Tara
“It is our common desire for him to turn back from this path, which has a cliff at the end.”
Erdogan is hesitant to tell Bashar to step down. He probably waits for the AL to spell it out.
November 15th, 2011, 9:36 am
Tara said:
Is Russia a loyal ally?
Who remember the ethnic cleansing war in former Yugoslavia? Did Russia stand by the Serbs against the NATO?
November 15th, 2011, 9:39 am
Haytham Khoury said:
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November 15th, 2011, 9:50 am
bronco said:
Tara #629
Contrary to the US and the EU, Russia has always had the same position: non interference in other countries internal conflicts. In any case, they never had with the Serbians the same long history as they have with Syria.
November 15th, 2011, 9:59 am
norman said:
look at this ,
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/world/middleeast/qatar-presses-decisive-shift-in-arab-politics.html?_r=1&emc=tnt
November 15th, 2011, 10:07 am
jad said:
YMG
For these reasons I bring Turkey position to the discussion:
-If the plan for Syria to be attacked and invaded, Turkey is the one going to do the dirty work, and apparently it is preparing for that. Arab press predicts regional war over Syria
-I never trust the Turks, until today they have this complex that Syrians betray them and kicked them out of Syria, they want revenge.
-In this region, I think Turkey and Iran have the key for the Syrian solution, one of them is adamant to win Syria in anyway possible.
November 15th, 2011, 10:18 am
ghufran said:
Ghalioun on Russia trip
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November 15th, 2011, 10:23 am
jad said:
Bronco,
Knowing our Arab history should be enough to give us a clear indication of what’s coming next, option b is more realistic under the circumstances of today, and I think both sides were extremely ungenuine in their call for change by making the issue stuck to one person instead of working t change the whole flawed system that no one party alone can do, you need the security system to have the needed stability to do the changes and you need the new political system to model the security system the way we all want, it’s impossible to do any of those two missions separately from the other, you will get chaos for sure and unfortunately we are cursed as Syrians with both sides being so blind they are leading us nowhere but chaosland.
I think that all sides of this international dilemma called Syria have one request: (lets remove ‘Bashar’) as if doing that means the end of all Syrian troubles, in my opinion if the issue was really about this person the problem wouldn’t be that difficult, Bashar is stuck there because both sides made him God, and for the naive SNC people to think that they can run Syria with ease after they ‘tear down’ the system is another BS of their propaganda.
November 15th, 2011, 10:55 am
ghufran said:
modern age slavery
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/11/world/meast/emirates-workers-art/index.html?hpt=imi_t3
Baha’ai followers under attack in Iran
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/10/world/meast/iran-bans-bahai-university/index.html?hpt=imi_t5
November 15th, 2011, 10:59 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Ghalioun is doing a mistake by wooing Russia. He should focus on Turkey and the AL.
Russia is a lost case, and should be isolated along with the Syrian junta.
This is a tactical mistake. Ghalioun should be threatening Russia, not trying to appease it. Ghalioun should be working towards the aim of Russia wooing the Syrian opposition, because other wise, Russia will lose it’s last bastion in the ME.
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November 15th, 2011, 11:01 am
jad said:
If Haytham as he claimed is their consultant for politics, Syria is doomed.
November 15th, 2011, 11:01 am
irritated said:
#632. norman
While some Arab leaders continue to court Qatar for its money and despite his its link to extreme islamists, most common Arabs despise them for the pretense of that rich midget stuffed with gas to represent them. Now that the US and the EU are endorsing Qatar as they key ally in the region, Qatar will be used, yes, but hated even more.
In addition Saudi Arabia, its rival, will not stay silent.
Not that Qatar cares…
November 15th, 2011, 11:09 am
jad said:
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DAMASCUS, (SANA) – 1,180 detainees who are involved in the recent events in Syria and didn’t commit murder were released on Tuesday.
553 detainees involved in the events were released on November 5th on occasion of Eid al-Adha.
H. Sabbagh
November 15th, 2011, 11:13 am
jad said:
Dear Louai,
In Homs today:
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http://www.facebook.com/HNN.SYRIA
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November 15th, 2011, 11:17 am
bronco said:
Amir In Tel Aviv
“Ghalioun is doing a mistake by wooing Russia”
Ghalioun has, for now, the full support of the EU and the US, but he has only a cautious support from Turkey as Turkey has not accepted to open an office of the SNC in Turkey, another cautious support from the AL who has ignored their call for recognition and have even canceled the meeting planned today and he has no support at all from Russia.
Ghalioun has a long way to go to get a recognition in the Middle East, as he is perceived as an agent of the US. Until now, the SNC is loosing this battle.
November 15th, 2011, 11:18 am
jad said:
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November 15th, 2011, 11:24 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Bronco,
“…the SNC is loosing this battle”.
Ohh.. I really don’t think so. The opposition is setting, determining and defining the agenda. The junta only reacts to events, that are being imposed upon it.
Poll showed that 84% (Morocco, if I remember)-100% (in Jordan), support the opposition. The Arab peoples support the winning opposition.
The opposition (represented in the SNC) is winning big time.
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November 15th, 2011, 11:36 am
jad said:
If you want to visit Homs, wear a real gold CROSS!!!!!!!!!!
Peaceful and non sectarian ‘angles’ indeed:
Sectarian warfare in Homs
I received what one resident of Homs wrote. Apparently a sectarian warfare is raging there. Sunni versus `Alawites and vice versa. Christians are displaying large crosses to identify themselves. I am told that even some Sunnis and `Alawites are wearing crosses but that sectarian checkpoints examine the quality of crosses to decide if they are real gold or fake.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Analyzing Syria
The analysis of Syria in Western and Arab (Saudi and Qatari-funded) is so filled with propaganda that you can’t really understand what is going on. I mean, there are certain things that I personally don’t understand. The opposition says that the no one in Syria supports Bashshar and that people are dragged against their will to the streets to demonstrate in support of the regime (but that does not explain who people oblige when many Syrians are protesting against the regime). But forget about politics: no one has explained to me how the regime has remained unified: how no diplomat has defected, how no politician has defected, how the army and intelligence apparatus has by and large remained united (oh, I know: according to the Ikhwan opposition, there has been 2 million Syrian soldiers and officers who have defected from an army of half a million people). The internal dynamics of Syria in government and in Damascus has not been analyzed as far as I have seen.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
Burhan Ghalyun
I could not believe that Burhan Ghalyun would wind up playing this role; a role that runs counter to all his writings and his secularism. Today, I saw him standing next to the Cicero of the Syrian opposition. I felt bad for him. He either could not see the extent of the conspiracy that has nothing to do with the plight of the oppressed Syrian people, or he sees but decides to go along for political reasons. Either way he is not excused.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
November 15th, 2011, 11:39 am
jad said:
Israel apartheid rules: Palestinians are NOT allowed to ride Jewish settlers buses or walk in the streets of some cities…
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November 15th, 2011, 11:44 am
ann said:
oh! no
“”Poll showed that 84% (Morocco, if I remember)-100% (in Jordan), support the opposition. The Arab peoples support the winning opposition. The opposition (represented in the SNC) is winning big time.””
Polls also show 100% of all arab countries support eliminating israel and returning all palestinians back to their home land palestine.
November 15th, 2011, 11:49 am
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear Jad #638
Thank you for the compliment. I worked on dissecting the Russian policy for four weeks.
I studied the Russian policy toward Syria in the last 10 years.
I sent all these information to SNC. I can send you the e-mails, if you wish.
November 15th, 2011, 11:50 am
Haytham Khoury said:
The Russian visit was a very intelligent move.
You will remember me.
November 15th, 2011, 11:55 am
Haytham Khoury said:
Amir in Tel Aviv #637
Dear Amir:
In diplomacy you never threaten people, particularly if they are more powerful than you.
For every matter there is a door and for every person their is a window to enter to them through.
The most important is to understand their pattern of thinking. After that you can always find keywords that you can provoke their positive emotions through.
November 15th, 2011, 12:02 pm
ann said:
649. Haytham Khoury said:
The Russian visit was a very intelligent move.
You will remember me.
You’re already a legend haytham khoury with all your personal contacts with all those legendary peoples.
I was wondering if you could put in a good word for me with the pope
Another one of your legendary friends maybe
November 15th, 2011, 12:03 pm
bronco said:
Jad #635
I am afraid I tend to agree with you. Stupidity and shortsighted vision may prevail as it has always prevailed in the Middle East.
I had hopes that after the arab spring in Tunisia and Egypt, the Arab League will detach itself from the dictatorship of the Western countries.
I see now that, after having gotten rid of dictators who were subservient to the US and its allies, Arabs are now faced with a new kind of dictatorship that are as subservient to the US and its allies because they are weak and terrified: The rich gulf country.
To prevent the influence of the dreaded and increasingly powerful Shia Iran, they are attempting to buy out the Arab countries and impose their Sunni vision under the call for a ‘democracy’. A democracy that they don’t even have in their own country.
They are therefore directly cooperating with the US and its allies in the region. The new approach is to hide the hegemonic strategy and the opposition to Iran under the promises of prosperity to Arab masses within ‘freedom’ of ‘democracy’.
Like all the strategies that the US and its allies have tried to impose on the Arabs to protect Israel and its oil interests, this one is also doomed. Arabs won’t be fooled for long.
November 15th, 2011, 12:04 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Dear Haytham,
Firstly, I very much appreciate your efforts!
By “threatening”, I meant, presenting to the Russians with the possibility that the junta is inevitably doomed, and that Russian interests in Syria might go down with the junta.
You’re hinting about what was discussed in Moscow. Can you elaborate, and provide SC with it’s first journalistic scoop? 🙂
I see that Dr “Zibbale” was traveling to Moscow with Ghalioun. He can be a great foreign minister in the new Syria. He reminds me of Abba Eban.
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SpaANN,
Unfortunately you’re right.
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English AJ reports that Turkey might cut electricity supply to Syria.
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November 15th, 2011, 12:16 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Tara#629
Dear Tara:
There is no loyalty in politics. There are interests and also personal connections. The most important is how to make people feel that their interest is with you and that you can be happy dealing with you in the long term.
November 15th, 2011, 12:18 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
The reason the meeting between AL and the opposition was canceled because Ghalioun was in Moscow, he finished his meeting at 4 pm cairo time,if he is to leave Moscow at 6 pm it will take five hours to get to Cairo, it will be 11 pm, so to get to the meeting it will be midnight, that is why the meeting was canceled.
November 15th, 2011, 12:19 pm
bronco said:
#644 Amir in Tel Aviv
“The opposition (represented in the SNC)”
Who said so, except 200-500 demonstrators with a banner and themselves?
The SNC has a big budget, big connections, loud voice but it represents a very tiny part of the opposition mostly living in the western countries.
The AL did no even bother meeting them officially while they met the NCC officially.
November 15th, 2011, 12:24 pm
bronco said:
655 MajedlAlkhadoon
The BBC said that Nabil Al Araby left to Morocco, this is why the meeting was canceled as he was planning to meet the SNC, the NCC and other opposition groups to get a unified position. Ghalioun’s statement in Russia shows that there can NOT be a unified opposition.
November 15th, 2011, 12:27 pm
Tara said:
Majedkhaldoun
Isn’t odd though that Ghalioun went to Russia knowing in advance that he will be missing the meeting with the AL? That means one of two things, the AL and the SNC are in complete agreement on the future OR in complete disagreement. No?
November 15th, 2011, 12:28 pm
bronco said:
#658 Tara
Yes, that is the puzzling question.
I hope that they are in total disagreement, but I suspect they are in total agreement.
November 15th, 2011, 12:32 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Bronco,
The NCC is as important as last year’s snow (as we say in Hebrew).
Ghalioun is positioning himself as the leader of the transitional period. If you don’t like it, go and drink from the sea of Gaza.
.
November 15th, 2011, 12:33 pm
Tara said:
Bronco @659
Remained to be seen. As far as I know, there has been one unofficial meeting between Nabil Al Arabi and Ghalioun and none between prince Hamad and Ghalioun after Ghalioun became the head of the SNC. How can they be in total agreement unless there is an intermediary or meetings behind the scene?
November 15th, 2011, 12:40 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
The meeting in Moscow is extremely important,it implies partial recognition of SNC,it is with Mr. Lavrov, and canceling it would enrage Russia.
AL is in complete agreement with SNC.
November 15th, 2011, 12:45 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
The Israeli spy to Cairo, Ilan Grapel, talks to CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/11/14/erin-ilan-grapel-release.cnn?iref=allsearch
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November 15th, 2011, 12:45 pm
bronco said:
#660 Amir Al Amir
“If you don’t like it, go and drink from the sea of Gaza.”
OK, and you try the dead sea, it’s tastier…
November 15th, 2011, 12:46 pm
jad said:
Dear Haytham
You are welcome 🙂
Thank you for the offer to send me your Russian policy research, however, I’m not very keen on such information at the moment.
“I worked on dissecting the Russian policy for four weeks.
I studied the Russian policy toward Syria in the last 10 years.”
Do you honestly think that 4 weeks worth of dissecting the Russian policy is enough work to be taken as a solid base for a milestone meeting with them?
I don’t think so. I think that you need a real expert on that matter. How many Syrian policy’s ‘expert’ spending almost all their academic and research life studding and dissecting every little piece of it, have failed to give us or anybody else a clear idea of what’s going on or what will happen?
Haytham, be sure that I have nothing personal against you, nothing but respect to Haytham Khoury the doctor and the researcher, however, in politics my guts in telling me not to trust your judgment or your naive take on the subject of the Syrian struggle, your comments sounds a bit immature in politics and that from me the inexperienced average guy and not the politician, sorry.
November 15th, 2011, 12:51 pm
bronco said:
#661. Tara
If, as I am starting to believe it, the AL is under Qatar’s control (and indirectly under US control) there is no need for any agreement. They could simply ignore their commitment to obtain a unified opposition as a partner in the dialog they are promoting and blame Syria for not fulfilling completely its commitments. That would trigger a UNSC intervention and almost certainly a civil war.
November 15th, 2011, 1:13 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear Amir:
The strategy of the talk with the Russian was very simple.
It is the bad management of the Assad regime that made the situation reach this point (the brink of a civil war). If civil war happens in Syria, the whole region will explode. The Russian has a moral obligation to prevent that by letting the regime fall.
November 15th, 2011, 1:13 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Regarding using the term Zibaleh to describe Dr. Ziadeh. I personally find it very inappropriate. Dr. Ziadeh is a personal friend of mine and he never hurt anybody in his life. By the way, he is a well respected scholar
November 15th, 2011, 1:16 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
Dear Jad#665
I will respect your judgement. However, I do not agree with it.
November 15th, 2011, 1:20 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Praise in one comment, insult in another comment, this reflect evil nature,just to make fun.
November 15th, 2011, 1:26 pm
Tara said:
Dear Haytham
Please ignore 665. Your analysis is always intelligent. I am glad yup give advises to SNC. Keep the good work.
November 15th, 2011, 1:28 pm
jad said:
“Dr. ‘Zibaleh’ is a personal friend of mine” you just met that scum, dude “he never hurt anybody in his life.” He just want to kill all Syrians and destroy Syria, basee6ah mou mistahleh, few hundreds of thousands of dead Syrians and millions of refugees and a country with a civil war….
Haytham, you are either genuinely super naive person that don’t see people for who they really are or a blunt liar, and I don’t think that you are not a liar.
Dude, you need to change your ‘Zibaleh’ friend, he is an obvious american cheap agent..’Zibaleh’ is a very generous description for such scum.
November 15th, 2011, 1:37 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
SNC is saying they are willing to dialogue with figures in the regime that have no blood on their hands. Bashar should step down after appointing few people acceptable to the opposition to discuss peaceful transition to democratic elected government. This is the only way to avert civil war or foreign intervention. That is what Russia needs to understand and i believe this is what Ghalioun was trying to convince the Russian with. If Russia and Iran put pressure on Bashar towards that effect, it will be a win- win situation to all.
November 15th, 2011, 1:39 pm
Haytham Khoury said:
jad # 672
Dear Jad:
Radwan is very nice person. This my personal experience with him. There are people who do not know how to present themselves in a nice way.
By the way Radwan was the person to present the first initative for peaceful change in Syria.
November 15th, 2011, 1:43 pm
jad said:
kharyoun, mind your ‘Angles’!
Nobrainer #671, don’t you have an imaginary toddler to take care of!
November 15th, 2011, 1:43 pm
jad said:
Haytham
A garbage bag is a garbage bag regardless of how much you are trying to make it look pretty and attractive.
Radwan is Dr. Zibaleh.
November 15th, 2011, 1:48 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Jad
you are very impolite comes from impolite family, you are paid to make comments , we are not, all your quots come from the most unrespected sources, worthless.
November 15th, 2011, 1:51 pm
jad said:
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November 15th, 2011, 1:52 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: JADDIE
RE: “…I’m not very keen on such information at the moment…”
Obviously, because you’re too busy humping the Regime’s message and spending that Besho bribe money…
November 15th, 2011, 1:52 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: MAJEDKHALDOUN
RE: “…JAD is paid to make comments, we are not…”
And you have to ask yourself, how stupid are Jaddie and the others like him? You’d think by know they’d see that the regime is going down. You’d think they’d be busy making plans for post-Besho survival. You’d think they’d be holding garage sales, buying canned food and hiding it in the basement next to the rifles. But no….
November 15th, 2011, 1:59 pm
jad said:
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November 15th, 2011, 1:59 pm
norman said:
677. majedkhaldoun said:
Jad
you are very impolite comes from impolite family, you are paid to make comments , we are not, all your quots come from the most unrespected sources, worthless.
0 1
Majed,
I do not think that you know him or his family, so how do you say that, he does not belong to a tribe.
November 15th, 2011, 2:07 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: NORMAN
RE: “…JAD does not belong to a tribe…”
Sure he does. He’s a charter member of the Besho Bootlicker tribe.
November 15th, 2011, 2:20 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
You should watch Faisal Qasem’s program on Aljazeera now. It is about the AL’s initiative. Mohamad al Abdallah and a Lebanese sycophant are the guests.
November 15th, 2011, 2:37 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Norman
Read Jad comment # 675, and 681, you can easily say he is impolite, , impolite person relect his family the way they raised him.
I am glad I do not know him or his family, my raising is much much better.
November 15th, 2011, 2:43 pm
norman said:
Majed,
I understand, but families are not responsible for the deeds of their sons and daughters,
just remember that we have honor killing because families think that the deeds of their daughters reflect on them, everybody is responsible for his deeds , if we understand that many honer killings will not take place.
November 15th, 2011, 3:06 pm
jad said:
Dear Norman,
Thank you!
I won’t waste my paid time on the little captain majed or his family.
November 15th, 2011, 3:12 pm
son of Damascus said:
A link to the debate to lebanese MPs had about Syria (Mustafa Alloush and Fayez Shakour). I guess menhabaks can’t stand their god Bashar being called a liar. Wonder if he had a gun would he have shot him?
November 15th, 2011, 3:20 pm
irritated said:
Son of Damascus #688
“I guess menhabaks can’t stand their god Bashar being called a liar.”
Did your friends the Israelis minded that Sarkozy called their pitbull a liar. They could’nt care less.
November 15th, 2011, 4:25 pm
irritated said:
Radwan Ziadeh?
For a totally americanized Syrian, he seems reasonably articulate but he should take singing lessons: his shrieking voice won’t take him very far in the opposition hierarchy. However inspired his statements are, you can’t listen to him more than 10 seconds without either putting plugs in you ear or rushing to switch off the TV or the radio.
November 15th, 2011, 4:34 pm
bronco said:
Tara #673
“Bashar should step down”
Why would he? Because Hillary wants it, because Ghalioun wants it? because Qatar emir wants it? or Saudi Arabia? Because Erdogan secretly wish it? or because less than 40% of the syrians want it?
He has no reason to step down as none of his ambassadors, no government official, no army generals nor any the significant element of his government resigned and he is able to bring in hundred of thousands supporters in the capital and other cities of Syria and because his allies Russia, China, Iran and others do no want it.
I am still waiting for Adnan Bakkour’s promised “revelations”.
Forgotten?
November 15th, 2011, 4:46 pm
zoo said:
Hands off Syria, Arabs tell Turks
By: Samuel Segev
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/columnists/hands-off-syria-arabs-tell-turks-133864038.html
Posted: 11/15/2011 1:00 AM |
“The Arab world wants an Arab solution to the Syrian crisis. In a meeting with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davotuglu, the Qatari minister explained that, unlike Libya, Syria is at the heart of the Arab world.”
“According to some diplomatic sources, Davotuglu was unhappy with the Arab message.”
TEL AVIV — The Arab League decision to suspend Syria’s membership is one of the most important decisions since the beginning of the Arab Spring over a year ago.
On the face of it, the Arab League decision affects Syria’s domestic policies only. In reality, if the suspension grows into an expulsion, it could have regional ramifications as well. Arab foreign ministers are due to meet in Rabat Wednesday to discuss whether Syria’s suspension becomes permanent.
Nabil el-Arabi, a former Egyptian foreign minister and the Arab League’s secretary general, made it clear that Syria’s suspension will remain in force until President Bashar Assad abides by all the provisions of the Arab plan. That plan, which Assad accepted on Nov. 2, called on Syria to withdraw its army units from all the cities, to release all prisoners and to allow foreign correspondents free coverage of all Syrian events and free access to opposition groups. Assad did not honour any of these conditions.
However, beyond these inter-Arab moves, it is also time to discuss the regional ramifications of the Syrian Spring.
From the very beginning of the Syrian uprising, it was clear that Assad preferred his alliance with Iran over his new friendship with Turkey. Assad also feels that his alliance with Lebanon’s Hezbollah is his security valve against Israel. Along the way, however, the Arab countries felt that they were being outmanoeuvred by the two non-Arab, Muslim countries in the region — Turkey and Iran. From the very beginning of the Syrian unrest more than eight months ago, Turkey opened its borders to Syrian refugees, conducted military exercises along the Syrian border, hosted the Syrian opposition groups and was ready to lead a military intervention against Syria, on condition that it had an Arab cover.
Unlike in Libya, however, where the Arab cover gave NATO the legitimacy for overthrowing Moammar Gadhafi, Turkey was offered no such aid. On the contrary. In the cases of Libya and Syria, we witnessed totally different approaches on the part of the Arab League and Turkey.
In the case of Libya, the Arab League was quick to give its support to NATO, while Turkey — because of its economic interests — was slow to join.
In Syria, it was just the opposite. Turkey was fast to react, while the Arab League’s reaction was more hesitant.
United States President Barack Obama’s decision to withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq, by the end of this year precipitated the Arab League’s movement. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, in particular, led the Arab move — Qatar up front, Saudi Arabia in the background.
Both countries feared that Turkey and Iran planned to divide the region between them: Iran in Baghdad and Turkey in Damascus.
In a move that received little public attention, Qatar’s foreign minister flew two weeks ago to Ankara, to convey the Arab message.
The Arab world wants an Arab solution to the Syrian crisis. In a meeting with Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davotuglu, the Qatari minister explained that, unlike Libya, Syria is at the heart of the Arab world. Syria was among the founders of the Arab League, it participated in all the wars against Israel, its actions have affected the policies of both Jordan and Lebanon and its conduct since 1973 has assured a peaceful and stable situation on the Golan Heights and along the border with Israel. Hence, it is up to the Arab world to try to solve the Syrian crisis.
According to some diplomatic sources, Davotuglu was unhappy with the Arab message. Immediately after the Qatari foreign minister’s departure, Davotuglu convened the Turkey-based Syrian opposition and promised assistance for toppling Bashar Assad. When the Arab foreign ministers convene Wednesday in Morocco, Davotuglu will be also there.
Turkey is not a member of the Arab League. Hence, Davutoglu won’t be able to participate in its deliberations. But Turkey is determined to try to be part of the Syrian solution. After all, Syria was the cornerstone of Turkey’s new Arab policy. A failure in Syria means a collapse of the entire policy, for which Turkey was even ready to sacrifice its long and fruitful relationship with Israel. As an architect of this policy, Davotuglu is determined to try to be a part of the Arab solution of the Syrian problem.
Samuel Segev is the Free Press Middle East correspondent.
November 15th, 2011, 4:53 pm
zoo said:
Christians in Egypt: a surprising interview
“Because the minute moderate Muslims are okay in Egypt, Christians can breathe. Christians can live. If there are no more moderates in power in Egypt, Christians will be very limited. But they won’t be as badly off as the Muslims. We are a sort of protected species in Egypt. We will suffer less than the Muslims.”
“The possible scenario, the likely scenario, is a Muslim Brotherhood government with a Muslim Brotherhood prime minister. The other possible scenario is having another president from the army.”
http://pjmedia.com/michaeltotten/2011/11/15/the-christians-of-egypt-part-i/?print=1
November 15th, 2011, 5:02 pm
Tara said:
Bronco, and Haytham
Here is my prediction or hope for the road map that the opposition have or should adopt. The AL will meet tomorrow on Syria. The body should ask Bashar al Assad to step done. They will guarantee his safety along with his immediate family members. Some Arab countries will declare their willingness to accept him in exile. They will ask the regime to come up with few names of high-ranking officials that are potentially acceptable to the opposition to form a body to negotiate with the SNC/ NCC peaceful transition to democratic elected government in one year. By doing so, foreign intervention and/ or civil war are averted. A solution like that would alleviate minorities’ fear of chaotic transition and potential revenge act.
Below is what happened in the last 24 hours which points to the above scenario:
State Department Spokesperson Mark Toner told a news briefing on Tuesday. “We look for the Arab League tomorrow to again send a forceful message to Assad that he needs to allow for a democratic transition to take place and end the violence against his people,”
Erdogan told his party’s lawmakers “We no longer expect the Assad government to show honest, persuasive, determined, and honest leadership….No one expects him to respond to the demands of the international community anymore.”
Jordan’s King Abdullah said Monday that he would step down if he were Bashar al-Assad, a statement observers interpreted as a call for the Syrian president to do just that. He also said ““I would step down and make sure whoever comes behind me has the ability to change the status quo that we’re seeing.”
The AL ruled out a summit requested by al Mou’alem on Syria and the GCC stated they don’t see any benefit from the summit.
By having the AL requests Bashar to step down and the dialogue to be carried out between the external/ internal opposition and remnants of the regime, the AL would have then outsmarted Russia and cornered it in case Bashar does not comply with stepping down and Syria is referred to UNSC.
November 15th, 2011, 5:04 pm
Darryl said:
652. BRONCO said:
“Like all the strategies that the US and its allies have tried to impose on the Arabs to protect Israel and its oil interests, this one is also doomed. Arabs won’t be fooled for long.”
Dear BRONCO, Mark Twain discovered that the Pen was mightier than the Sword. The Americans and west over the years discovered that through ignorance, poverty and money, the Fatwa is mightier than a Nation.
I am afraid I will have to dis-agree with you above. It is very clear strategy in the middle east that existed since the Iran-Iraq war. The US and Israel have absolutely no plan to attack Iran and they know the Arabs are only seeing the dust clouds behind Iran’s technological advancement. Teach your children this saying: “Only the lead dog sees a change of scenery”.
Back to my thoughts, America and the west know the Arabs will not catch up to Iran, they are only threatening and imposing sanctions on Iran to try to even the playing field so that the Sunni-Shia fights continues because, the Fatwa is mightier than a whole nation and they are both armed with it. The Arabs have been stuck in this mode since late 70 and unlikely to stop being fooled anytime soon.
November 15th, 2011, 5:19 pm
bronco said:
Tara #694
Consequences to your prediction:
Bashar will certainly not step down, Syria will be expelled from the Arab League, the AL will tell the Arab ambassadors to leave Damascus (some won’t obey), sanctions will be announced, some arab countries will refuse to abide by the sanctions. Syria will close its border with Turkey and Jordan.
A full scale civil war will then start in Syria. There will be much more death and the AL will stand impotent in front of the chaos they have started. The AL will meet again but Syria won’t participate since it is expelled and it will ask the UNSC to intervene. The UN security will meet and would not be able to reach any resolutions as none want a military intervention and Turkey will refuse to play the mini-NATO for fear of the Kurds.
There will be daily outcries in all the media for weeks and weeks with no result.
and the saga continues…..
Is the AL fool enough to go this way, I hope not, but they may very well go this way.
November 15th, 2011, 5:22 pm
bronco said:
Darryl #695
“The Arabs have been stuck in this mode since late 70 and unlikely to stop being fooled anytime soon.”
So what is the big fuss about “The Arab Spring” ” The Freedom of Speech” , “The Fall of Wall of Fear” ? It will bring no change? was it all fake?
So why all the rush on removing Syria’s regime, if nothing will change?
November 15th, 2011, 5:30 pm
bronco said:
Tara
You quoted:
“State Department Spokesperson Mark Toner told a news briefing on Tuesday. ”We look for the Arab League tomorrow to again send a forceful message to Assad that he needs to allow for a democratic transition to take place and end the violence against his people,”
Note that the US is NOT asking Bashar to step down, neither Erdogan (He said Bashar should turn back from the road that leads him to a cliff)…
Why don’t they spell it out like they did with Qaddafi? Are they waiting for the AL to say it?
November 15th, 2011, 5:38 pm
Tara said:
Bronco
Consequences to my prediction in case Bashar does not comply:
Syria will be expelled from the AL, most Arab Ambassadors will leave Damascus ( except for Iraq, Algeria?, and Yeman?). Arab sanctions will take place. Erdogan will visit Hatay and announce sanctions. The killing will continue. The case will be referred to the UNSC. Russia will eventually budge but may not. The Turks will establish a 10 km buffer zone, Bengazi-style. Turkey will not refuse. Weapons will be abundant. More defection will occur and armed struggle will ensue between all armed Alawis supporting Bashar and the defected All Sunni FSA. And voilà, Bashar will enter history as Neron who burned Rome. He will eventually die like Quaddafi.
November 15th, 2011, 5:40 pm
zoo said:
SNC fails to gain backing from Russia
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
MOSCOW/DAMASCUS – Agence France-Presse
Burhan Ghalioun, heading Syrian opposition delegation, attends a
The exiled Syrian opposition on Tuesday failed to convince Moscow to toughen its stance against the regime of defiant leader Bashar al-Assad, the leader of the Paris-based dissident delegation said.
Members of the largest and most representative Syrian opposition grouping, the Syrian National Council — led by its head Burhan Ghalioun — travelled to Moscow for talks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
“We have asked several times (that Russia pushes for the resignation of Assad), but the Russians responded that even the Arab League does not demand this,” Ghalioun said as translated from Arabic to Russian.
“We told our Russian colleagues that to make the start of the talks possible we believe it is necessary for Russia and the international community to send an important signal and demand Bashar al-Assad’s resignation,” Ghalioun said after the talks at the Russian foreign ministry.
But Lavrov “did not make any concrete propositions,” he said.
“We want the crisis to be overcome,” he said, stressing that Assad’s departure is a priority. “And we would like this without military interference from the outside.”
The United States Monday welcomed a strengthening of an international drive against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad after the Arab League and the EU piled on the pressure.
“We’re going to continue to consult not only with the Arab League, but also with the EU and our other partners as we move forward in trying to find ways to increase the pressure on Assad,” said State Department spokesman Mark Toner.
He added that “the international community, the US, the EU, the Arab League, individual states like Turkey, (are) taking stronger and stronger stances against what’s going on in Syria.”
Meanwhile, more than 70 people died in one of the bloodiest days of Syria’s eight-month uprising, activists said Tuesday, as President Bashar al-Assad’s loyalists reacted angrily to growing isolation.
November 15th, 2011, 5:43 pm
Tara said:
Bronco @698
I think they are playing with words waiting for the AL to say it first as they are afraid of a negative impact on the opposition in the context of the Arabic mentality that is quick in takhween.
November 15th, 2011, 5:43 pm
zoo said:
Arab world fears a bloody internal showdown
Mehmet Ali Birand – [email protected]
Tuesday, November 15, 2011
I am writing this from Dubai where I stopped on my way back from vacation. When I opened the newspapers in front of me, the situation became clear. When you are far away, you cannot get the same impression. The moment you open “Gulf papers,” you recognize the graveness of the situation.
The Sunni Arab world is concerned. The steps taken by Iran on the way to building a nuclear bomb have been seen for a long time around here as an open Shiite threat. Nowadays, with Washington’s provocation, concerns have intensified.
Two fronts have been built: The Shiite front (Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas) and the Sunni (Saudi Arabia-Egypt-Gulf countries-Palestine-Jordan) front.
Iran’s becoming a nuclear power scares the Sunnis a lot. This fear is good for the United States. Nowadays, Washington is both trying to change the regime in Syria, as it is considered to be the weakest link in this chain, and arming the Sunnis against Iran. If the Syrian regime is toppled then the Hezbollah-Hamas ties will be easier to break. They can kill two birds with one stone this way.
On one hand, Iran will be isolated. It will be easier to strike, while the Sunnis will be freed of their concerns; on the other, pressure on Israel will be eased. Yet, however, the credibility of the U.S. is down to its lowest levels in the region. Even pulling out of Iraq won’t save Washington. It is pretty obvious it is leaving Iraq in a worse state than it was before. Despite this, there is no other power to fill in for the U.S.
The latest developments show that Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad has been slowly driven into a corner in the Arab world. But still, nobody has a specific idea on who would replace him. If Assad does not make a firm “U-turn,” then his situation will get even tougher in the coming months.
Turkey’s ‘tough power’ (military and economic) not enough
Turkey is being observed very carefully in the region, but no one thinks it will yet use its military power in a way to affect the balances. We have an image suggesting that it is dubious that we will do anything beyond what our “soft power” (cultural and social power) allows us to do. Quite simply, the widespread belief is that Ankara will not go beyond politics and dialogue.
Erdo?an is applauded on the streets, he is carried on shoulders, but the decision-making powers in the Arab countries have doubts about Turkey. Ankara’s true intentions are being questioned. It is being debated whether it is sub-contractor for Washington.
Despite all this, the Sunni world sees Turkey right beside them, and they are content with this.
Let us be prepared. The Middle-East will be overwhelmingly stirred in the coming period. The disturbances of this time will definitely be unlike any other of the past. Nobody will be able to manage a possible Shiite-Sunni fight. It will again be Westerners that benefit from such a situation.
Ankara’s major concern is this anyway.
Erdo?an is warning Iran at every opportunity about its nuclear program. He tries to calm the Saudis. But, regardless of what is being done, we are facing a situation where it is as if the Arabs are getting ready to scratch each others’ eyes out; Western powers, meanwhile, don’t want to miss the opportunity.
© 2011 Hurriyet Daily News
URL: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=arab-world-fears-a-bloody-internal-showdown-2011-11-15
November 15th, 2011, 5:46 pm
bronco said:
Tara #701
You are probably right about their waiting for the AL to say it.
We’ll know tomorrow if the AL would dare say it. In my opinion they won’t.
November 15th, 2011, 5:49 pm
bronco said:
#699 Tara
“And voilà, Bashar will enter history as Neron who burned Rome. He will eventually die like Quaddafi.”
You forgot to mention small details that are not of your concern since you live outside Syria:
This will probably end in 2026 with Damascus, Aleppo and other cities in ruins and hundred thousands of dead.
Fortunately Qatar and Turkey will be in charge of rebuilding the country.
November 15th, 2011, 6:08 pm
zoo said:
Is Egypt is changing?
Elmahdy: Egypt’s Nude Rebel
By: Muhammed Shuair
Published Tuesday, November 15, 2011
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/elmahdy-egypt%E2%80%99s-nude-rebel
Egyptian blogger Aliaa Magda hits back at sexist comments attacking her after posting nude pictures of herself on the web.
Cairo – Egyptian blogger Aliaa Magda Elmahdy might enter the Guinness Book of World Records for the number of hits on her arabic blog Memoirs of a Revolutionary blog http://arebelsdiary.blogspot.com, that went from 10,000 to 110,000 visitors within two days.
November 15th, 2011, 6:25 pm
Tara said:
Bronco@704
No Bronco. I am a better person that you may think I am. I get angry and at times wish Bashar an eye for an eye especially when i watch how ordinary Syrians being degraded by ugly Syrians but I am not revengeful. I am sorry if I sound “insensitive” to this small detail. The truth is my daughter was tugging on my arm wanting me to do something for her so I ended short. As I was pressing “submit comment”, I had a feeling that your “politely critical” post is coming. I hope and pray civil war will never happen and no one get killed.
November 15th, 2011, 6:27 pm
Dale Andersen said:
From the Jew/CIA/EU/Saudi/al Qaeda/Salafi Press:
“…Turkey is considering the possibility of deploying troops in Syria to create a buffer zone in the country’s north if the situation deteriorates. The Muslim Brotherhood, the largest opposition group, announced on Thursday that ‘the Syrian people would react more calmly to an intervention by Turkey rather than by the West, if its actions are aimed at protecting civilians in Syria.’…”
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/04/arab-news-fox-news-style.html
November 18th, 2011, 3:06 pm
kiara said:
tara ..how u can talk abt sunni and shia conflicts? we speak abt politic and interest and i dont think that Hamas is a shia..so how do u explain the axis that u wrote above Hamas Hezb syria and iran? .here we are fight for power no religion… please
November 25th, 2011, 7:25 am
Ayman Salama said:
In light of the recent statement issued by the Higher Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva , calling for the referral of Syrian President to the Chief Prosecutor of the I.C.C in the Hague
I would like to legally revise and expound a bit on this important statement :
1- The international community bears a responsibility to protect unarmed Syrian civilians under SC and GA different Resolutions that had been initiated in 2001 and till the last two resolutions 1970 and 1973 in Feb this year concerning the situation in Libya
2- The only competent body that can refer the situation ( and not Bashar ) in Syria to the Chief Prosecutor of the I.C.C in the Hague is the SC UN under Rome Statute of the I.C.C.
3- The referral of the situation in Syria should be adopted under Chapter 7 of UN Charter with no Veto from any permanent member of the SC UN
4- It is indispensable to highlight the urgent measures that might be adopted to protect civilians in Syria in light of the previous experience of the UNPROFOR in Bosnia in 1995 when the UN Forces safeguarded and protected 6 cities there which were called save heavens .
5 – There are other various measures to be adopted in this regard
Best wishes
December 2nd, 2011, 7:39 am
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