Jabhat al-Nusra and Other Islamists Briefly Capture Historic Christian Town of Ma’loula

 

A hard-to-reach tomb in Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

A hard-to-reach tomb in Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Jabhat al-Nusra and Other Islamists Briefly Capture Historic Christian Town of Ma’loula

Matthew BarberBy Matthew Barber for Syria Comment

 

Ma’loula (or Maaloula) is one of those unique places you may be lucky to visit—or perhaps were lucky to have visited, were you fortunate enough to have been in Syria before the conflict began. An ancient town in a hollow encircled by mountain cliffs descending from their heights to offer shelter to the homes built directly against their sides… exploring its many secrets is to be transported back in time. Ancient monasteries, old churches, rock faces with cave dwellings and tombs—the place is brimming with rich historical treasures.

Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula is also unique for being among the minority of Syrian towns where Christians comprise a majority, though this status has by now eroded to the point where Christians are only a slight majority. Still, the town represents the survival of the Christian community stretching back to the early days of Christianity.

 

A Church in Maaloula. Photo: Kellie Stirling / Syria Comment

A Church in Maaloula. Photo: Kellie Stirling / Syria Comment

But the cultural wealth preserved in the town precedes Christianity; Ma’loula is one of the last places on earth where the pre-Christian language that once dominated the Near East, Aramaic, is still spoken. In use from almost 1000 years BCE, Aramaic was the most important language of Syria, Palestine, and Mesopotamia by the time Christianity entered the scene. Aramaic remained the lingua franca of the Near East until its ascendent position was supplanted by Arabic when Islam spread east, west, and north from the Arabian Peninsula. Aramaic had been an important language for conducting trade from Egypt to the borders of India, until the arrival of a sacred text—the Qur’an—whose effect was strong enough to issue the challenge that its own language take the place of most important tongue.

The dialect used in Ma’loula is labeled “Western Aramaic,” and is now only spoken in this small city and in two neighboring villages. A few years ago, President Assad began to officially support the efforts of Ma’loulans to conduct language preservation through Aramaic education programs in local schools. Though the generous Ba’athists never extended this right to the Kurds, it was a positive step toward strengthening the health of the local culture of Ma’loula. But yesterday, both the actions of Syrian rebels, as well as the response of the regime, will have the opposite effect on this fragile community.

Today, the position of such highly endangered languages is made more precarious by instances of violent conflict. It is important to note that most speakers of Aramaic dialects—Eastern and Western—are minorities: Christians, Jews, Assyrians, Chaldeans, and Mandeans. We’ve been able to observe clearly the destructive toll that conflict in the Middle East takes on minority and Christian communities, a phenomenon that unfolded before the world’s eyes in Iraq, and which has also been recently intensifying recently in Egypt. As the Syrian conflict has developed, we’ve also seen that minority Christian communities are often some of the most vulnerable segments of the population, and their numbers have already vanished from many of their cities, after fighting has become intense, or after rebels gained control of their areas. Being caught between warring factions, as well as a sense of exclusion experienced as non-Muslims when something that Islamists call “Islamic law” is implemented, prompts many Christians to emigrate from their homelands in the Middle East.

Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Image: New York Times

Image: New York Times

The Syrian conflict has certainly affected every Syrian to some degree, but it affects some areas more than others. Many towns have still managed to escape direct involvement, but given enough time, the conflict manages to find its way to everyone’s doorstep.

Until yesterday, the community in Ma’loula had avoided the direct presence of the conflict, but that all changed in the early morning (Wed., Sept. 4, reportedly around 5:30 am) when a Jordanian suicide-bomber named Abu Mus’ab al-Zarqawi (yes, same name as the famous al-Qaida figure) detonated a car bomb at the checkpoint guarding the entrance to Ma’loula, killing the soldiers there and allowing al-Qaida-linked rebels to roll into town in 20 pickup trucks with machine-guns mounted in the back.

Here’s a photo of the bombing of the Ma’loula checkpoint from Jabhat al-Nusra:

suicide car bombing of Ma'loula checkpoint

Nusra also posted photos of the bodies of the soldiers they killed at the checkpoint:

bodies of soldiers after attack on Ma'loula checkpoint

The following video shows rebels in the center of Ma’loula, firing weapons. It’s not clear if they are firing at specific targets, or merely announcing their arrival by firing into the air. Regardless, it was quite effective in terrorizing the local inhabitants.

 

And another video shows the rebels declaring their capture of the town after entering:

The video and photographic evidence available after the attack indicates that the operation was a coordinated effort between (at least) the following groups: Ahrar al-Sham, Jabhat al-Nusra, the Baba ‘Amr Brigades (a rebel group possibly affiliated with the SIF – Syrian Islamic Front), FSA Commandos Unit, and Soqour al-Sham. A video from Ahrar al-Sham can be found here. A video of shooting, apparently as part of the initial attack, is here.

My own Ma’loulan sources tell me that displaced people from Duma (between Ma’loula and Damascus) had taken up residence in Ma’loula, and cooperated with the rebels to facilitate their entrance. Ma’loulans now resent them for acting as a 5th column inside the very community that gave them shelter when they fled their own town as refugees. The danger with such cases is that it will generate suspicion and ill-will toward refugees generally.

Other photos of rebels posted online after taking Ma’loula can be found here, here, and here. One poster of photos from the operation to take the checkpoint refers to the soldiers as “apostates.” One poster seems to be from Somalia (unknown if he participated in the attack).

A Facebook page shows an alleged photo of one of the soldiers killed in the attack. Reportedly, at least 8 soldiers were killed on the first day.

Ma’loula only has one mosque. When the rebels entered the city center, they went to that mosque to declare victory and perform a typical chorus of takbiir (the shouting of Allahu Akbar).

According to Ma’loulans I spoke with, the attack involved two fronts. After the checkpoint was disabled, the Safir Hotel, located on the rocky cliffs overlooking the city, was appropriated by the rebels, who used it as a staging point for shelling. Some have said that they shelled the city from there; it seems that shells were fired from outside the city, as well.

The Safir Hotel can be seen atop the cliffs in the following two images. The strategic value of the site for anyone wanting to attack the town is obvious:

Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma'loula 2

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

 

After the Islamist-led rebel alliance took the town, the Syrian regime responded by sending in aircraft to attack the rebel positions. This is the ever-disastrous pattern to the Syria conflict: rebels take a town doing its best to mind its own business, and the regime comes to the defense of the town and destroys it in the process. I spoke yesterday with a Syrian Christian who traveled near Ma’loula during the time of the attack. Like many Christians in the country, he has no love for the oppression of the regime, but remains somewhat “pro-regime” in relation to the conflict, since the threat of Islamists showing up and taking over his town outweighs his dislike of the regime. I asked him, “Regardless of the fact that these rebels invaded uninvited, would it not be better for the regime to just leave them alone, rather than conducting an airstrike on one of the most historical places in the country?” He responded sadly: “They don’t care. They will destroy anyplace the rebels are to be found.” He reminded me of other historical treasures that have been damaged through the regime’s response to rebel incursions, such as occurred in Palmyra, and recently at the Qal’at al-Hosn (Crac des Chevaliers), a magnificent Crusader castle and important tourist attraction that the regime bombed after rebels set up base inside. For someone who has defended the regime’s side during the conflict, his attitude of exasperation toward the scale of their responses was telling. Still, residents of Ma’loula have expressed gratitude for the military reinforcements sent in to expel the unwanted rebels. Many in Syria still prefer the devil they know to the one they don’t—though they’re getting to know the latter all the same.

Footage of a helicopter filmed by rebels discussing whether to try shooting it down can be found, here.

After the regime’s counterattack, the rebels withdrew back inside the Safir Hotel. Initial reports said that after a 3-hour battle the military was able to drive the rebels out of the town. Today this has proven to be otherwise; rebels remained in the hotel all night and all the next day, and fighting resumed around 6:00 pm today, when rebels conducted another attack. The rebels lost the town yesterday in the sense that those in the city center were driven out, and only those in the hotel were able to remain. But the presence of rebels was not eliminated, as hostilities resumed today. Today’s fighting was allegedly more intense, as rebels moved through the alleys between homes, shooting. Apparently, young residents of the town tried to defend their areas even though they lacked weapons, and some were injured when standing up to the rebels.

The big question is: Why Ma’loula? What need is there for rebels to capture this town? Talk of “liberation” certainly has no currency when the local residents aren’t asking for any and would prefer to be left alone. Was there any strategic importance to the town? Or was it merely an easy target for “victory,” not well-guarded and unable to resist being taken over? Some have suggested that taking the town was needed in order to link to opposition resistance efforts in the nearby Qalamoon region. Jabhat al-Nusra’s official account, however, referred to the attack as part of the “Eye-for-an-Eye” revenge campaign, initially declared after the chemical weapons attacks in the Ghouta.

Al-Jazeera’s reporting was one-sided, as usual. It explained the attack exclusively in strategic terms, noting the town’s connections to other nearby communities with a rebel presence. They failed even to mention Jabhat al-Nusra’s presence in this campaign, instead referring only to the FSA’s involvement and ignoring the central role of Islamists in the operation.

When the rebels first came into the town, they reportedly told people “Don’t be afraid; stay inside your homes.” A video posted online by the Katibat Souwar Bab ‘Amr shows a rebel speaking to his men, affirming that (paraphrase, not verbatim):

We don’t shoot at any church or at civilians; we’re only here to push back against the oppression and will only target those who target us. They (the people of the town) are our people and part of our country. The regime has persecuted everyone, from all sects. Here we are in front of the church and everything is safe and the houses are safe.

Despite the affirmation of goodwill toward civilians and the pledge to not harm churches, I was told that the first mortar fired by rebels hit a church. Since then, others have conveyed to me that churches and monasteries have been damaged in yesterday and today’s fighting. Even if the damage is unintentional, local residents will likely not feel very understanding toward their uninvited “liberators.” I was told that at least some of the rebels cursed some Christians and threatened to kill them for being infidels. The rebel speaking in the video quoted above may reflect one group’s approach to taking the town, but several groups with different ideologies were participating, and Nusra’s presence confuses things. When Nusra’s revenge campaign began, many threats were voiced against towns and civilians. Though it seems that civilians survived largely unscathed in the events in Ma’loula, it is disconcerting to see the attack associated with a revenge campaign. One of Nusra’s photos for the attack on Ma’loula was published on Facebook with a verse from the Qur’an stating: “Allah give us patience and victory over the infidels”—perhaps not the best slogan to use when launching an al-Qaida-led attack in which a Jordanian Islamist blows himself up at the gate of the oldest Christian village in the country.

It is hard to know how unified they were on their post-invasion behavioral code, but we have more than one report (including from my own contacts) alleging that multiple churches/monasteries were damaged and/or ransacked. Reports online of churches burned in Ma’loula are false and can be attributed to propaganda sources with a pro-regime orientation, exaggerating the degree and kind of damage that occurred. However, my own source alleges that the Mar Taqla monastery was hit with two shells, and there are varying reports of other attacks. Three articles on Lebanese and Syrian websites offer conflicting reports on exactly which churches were damaged: 1, 2, 3. In one of them, the Melkite patriarch is quoted claiming that rebels broke into multiple Christian homes and churches, burning crucifixes and icons. The other two articles give conflicting accounts of the report received by the head nun of the Mar Taqla Monastery. One account has her claiming that 15 nuns and the orphans they care for had to sleep inside of a cave in the mountain, while the other has her claiming that the monastery was not attacked.

While we’re waiting for more details on the actual damage, my contacts claim to be certain that Ma’loula’s Aramaic Language Education Center (an institute that works for the preservation of the language) was broken into by rebels and looted.

There are no details on what was stolen, but that this particular institution would be targeted seems to underscore the earlier point about the vulnerability of religio-linguistic minorities. This vulnerability is what has prompted Pope Francis to issue a statement today to the leaders of the G20 countries, opposing military intervention in Syria.

… amid the U.S. threat of military intervention, Vatican and church officials have warned that a world war could erupt, with Christians in the region bearing the brunt of the fallout…

Though many details on this story need further clarification, one thing is certain: the situation led to the fleeing of many Ma’loula residents to Damascus. An area that previously received refugees is now sending out its own, and the dwindling numbers of Aramaic-speakers are no longer comfortable within their remote mountain fastness.

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Ma'loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

Ma’loula, Syria. Photo: Matthew Barber / Syria Comment

 

For an interesting read about Ma’loula during the conflict, see this article by Robert Fisk.

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Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following very important heads up.

Reviewing the material presented in this latest falsification of truths and facts on this site, an ongoing process fueled by its owner and side-kicks, we came to the unavoidable conclusion that most of the material and so-called evidence of photos and videos are in total contradiction to the gist of the post seeking in essence to tarnish the repuation of the glorious revolution of the peope of Syria, implying a clear desperate attemp to spread propaganda on behalf of the falling and desperate regime of pervert criminals.

We found, on the other hand, al-jazeera reporting to be the the most accurate representation of events. We did not find any evidence in the material presented in this post of falsification supporting the alleged connections to phantom so-called terrorist groups amongst the fighters who liberated Maalola as part of the strategic objective of liberating Al-Qalamoon. Whatever happened in that city in the last two days was strictly a military operation aimed at liberating north west Damascus which is still an ongoing operation as of this writing.

Therefore, we urge readers to exercise extreme caution, sound judgement and critical analysis when reading anything emanating from the administrators of this site.

September 6th, 2013, 2:22 am

 
 

annie said:

An urgent appeal from Krak des Chevaliers: Please share with media and humanitarian organisations:
Media awareness campaign for Krak des Chevaliers: 09-09-2013

In the name of God the merciful

Krak des Chevaliers (a.k.a. Qalat al Hosn), Homs province, 05-09-2013: This is an urgent appeal to the world to help save the lives of hundreds of civilians trapped under regime bombardment and siege in Krak des Chevaliers (a.k.a. Qalat al Hosn) in Homs province.

The people of Krak des Chevaliers have now been suffering daily bombardment and siege for over two years, with continuous and relentless bombing and massive destruction by Assad’s forces. Many residents, including women and children, have been killed or wounded; the regime siege which has cut off all supplies of food, water, medicine, fuel and electricity means that there is no food and no milk or infant formula for children.

More than 500 families are trapped under the suffocating siege and living amid catastrophic daily destruction, and the lack of communications means that the world barely knows about residents’ daily suffering and slow death from starvation.

We – the coordination staff from Free Krak des Chevaliers and the Krak des Chevaliers youth group – ask all activists and media professionals to help us to raise awareness of the horrendous situation in the village and to launch an information campaign to spread the word and show the scale of the suffering. On Monday September 9th, we are holding a social media awareness-raising day – you can participate on Twitter, on Facebook or in any other media. To find out more, please contact us with any enquiries on our Facebook page at:

https://www.facebook.com/freehosn?ref=hl

Anyone able to provide any aid or assistance or wishing to find out more can call:
00965-55280675

Please do whatever you can to help your brothers and sisters in Krak des Chevaliers. Thank you.

September 6th, 2013, 2:30 am

 
 

SYRIAN ACAHAMSTER said:

Chemical Weapons Massacre:
More than 1400 Civilians Murdered.
More than 10,000 Affected , many perhaps permanently
SC response time 5+ days

Maloula Military Operation
Civilians Murdered:0
Civilians wounded: 0
SC response time: 1 day

Impressive academic credentials.

September 6th, 2013, 2:57 am

 
 

Alan said:

Falsely charging the Russians with supplying military helicopters to Assad is an unnecessary provocation. Falsely blaming the Assad government for a so-called massacre perpetrated by a violent warring rebel faction is nothing more than war propaganda. Most knowledgeable people now recognize that the planned war against Syria is merely the next step to take on the Iranian government, something the neo-cons openly admit. Controlling Iranian oil, just as we have done in Saudi Arabia and are attempting to do in Iraq, is the real goal of the neo-conservatives who have been in charge of our foreign policy for the past couple of decades.

War is inevitable without a significant change in our foreign policy, and soon.
http://youtu.be/8rCvfwoRGMg?t=1s

September 6th, 2013, 3:40 am

 

Matthew Barber said:

Hamster,

You have a penchant for unfair characterizations. Syria Comment is not a full-fledged news source with a media team working day and night in a situation room, and it is not responsible to cover every Syria-related story.

The few people here write when they are able, and when they have particular knowledge on a topic. If I had had connections to the area of the Ghouta that was attacked with chemical weapons, I would have written as much detail about it as I did about Ma’loula. As it happens, I didn’t know anyone there, so I relied as much as the next person on reports from others to understand what was taking place. Brown Moses and others were very helpful in collecting and presenting the convincing evidence that it was the regime who conducted those attacks, something I wouldn’t have been able to do without that level of insight regarding weapons and munitions.

After those contributions brought clarity to the situation, I posted numerous stories on the topic in a round-up (though I didn’t have any original material to contribute), and JL made numerous statements in public media asserting that the regime was behind the chemical weapons attacks. At one point, he had to defend that position against a CNN anchor who didn’t seem convinced, and who seemed to want to blame the rebels. Did you miss what he said in the Bloomberg article? Perhaps you should take another glance: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-27/assad-s-brother-seen-linked-to-syria-chemical-attack.html

As it happened, I do have more of a connection to Ma’loula, and immediately had people to contact after the situation developed. Since I was able to contribute something in that regard, I did so. This is not selective coverage for political reasons; it’s about personal knowledge and limitations.

The CW attacks pained me greatly, as did this photo today of a boy shot in the face by a sniper: https://twitter.com/GeredaV/status/372723785956220929/photo/1

September 6th, 2013, 3:45 am

 

Uzair8 said:

From the main post above:

Al-Jazeera’s reporting was one-sided, as usual. It explained the attack exclusively in strategic terms, noting the town’s connections to other nearby communities with a rebel presence. They failed even to mention Jabhat al-Nusra’s presence in this campaign, instead referring only to the FSA’s involvement and ignoring the central role of Islamists in the operation.

AJE Live Syria Blog about 6 hours ago:

Syrian rebel fighters withdrew after briefly capturing a historic Christian town near Damascus.

Syrian rebel fighters withdrew on Thursday after briefly capturing a historic Christian town in the centre of the country as part of a campaign to take control of strategic mountains near Damascus, opposition sources said.

Several rebel brigades, including a contingent of the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front, swept into the town of Maaloula in the Qalamoun mountains on Wednesday after overrunning a roadblock manned by troops and militia loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, the sources said.

Read more:

September 6th, 2013, 5:40 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Tara

Glad you liked it. Thought it may have become buried at the end of the previous (x2) post.

Yes I did consider Zoo for the NightCall slot (10pm-1am), perhaps as studio/phone guest, or one of the various alternating daily guests along with others (Commando, Rev, Syrian Girl etc). Required more thinking time to integrate the idea while keeping it as realistic as possible.

Zoo

Glad you sensed the humour. However, by your response I sense I’ve stumbled on to something (?). Hmm…this radio thing may have something to it.

Anyway, I can imagine the NightCall phone-in, of recent a decrease in the Ghufran/Apple-Mini type callers, with more Ali-type callers hogging the airways.

I can imagine some callers phoning in under different names with slightly disguised voice, to give the Shabeeha listening audience a morale boosting impression of greater support than actual.

September 6th, 2013, 6:03 am

 

Jabhat al-Nusra and Other Islamists Briefly Capture Historic Christian Town of Ma’loula | Middle East Musings said:

[…] Barber, of the University of Chicago and contributor at Syria Comment, has written a detailed article on the recent fighting in the historic Christian town of Ma`loula.  Ma`loula, until a few days ago, […]

September 6th, 2013, 6:06 am

 

Hopeful said:

This incident is a clear proof to me that many of the rebels on the ground do not report to the central command of the FSA. I highly doubt that the FSA central command will approve of such operation. It has disastrous implications on the FSA and the revolution. I won’t be surprised if the regime intentionally ensured that the checkpoint is weak enough as to invite the rebels to attack it. The soldiers manning these checkpoints are poor drafted young boys whom the regime could care less about. Within my extended family today, we have two boys who just finished college and waiting for their draft orders. Their parents are desperately trying to get them out of this, but how can they?. They will either end up manning useless checkpoints and getting blown up by the rebels, or they will try to escape and get killed by the regime. They are helpless.

I have said it before here on SC. The opposition made a fatal strategic mistake by not speaking up strongly against Al-Nusra. Last year, when the US added Al-Nusra to the terrorist list, they should have at least kept quite. Anyone who understands the US system and psyche knows that the US president cannot do anything without public and congress support. If the opposition wanted the US to help, which they did, they should have helped the administration with its public opinion struggle, not worked against it. You cannot, on one hand, keep saying that “we do not need anyone but God”, and on the other hand be bitter and negative that the US is not doing enough to help you.

In the war of public relation to influence the West’s public opinion, Assad and his regime are doing much better than the opposition. Until now. Assad’s use of chemical weapons may prove to be his fatal mistake that will put an end to his regime. I do not believe this incident in Maaloula will change much in that regards. I believe it was a stupid and irresponsible move from the rebels, especially at this time when they need the West’s public opinion more than any other time during the revolution. Enough pretending that, without a direct western help, they will be able to defeat the regime while winning the hearts and minds of the Syrian people.

Despite all the criticism they get, I believe Josh, Matheaw, and their team are doing a great job with their reporting and analysis. I, for one, am very thankful for their contribution. In this ugly dirty war, it is very difficult to remain objective and distinguish the facts from the lies.

September 6th, 2013, 6:12 am

 

Uzair8 said:

This is worth a listen. On Up All Night (last night after 1am) on BBC Radio 5, the presenter had a discussion with PJ Crowley and a Russian guest. As it went on I became increasingly engrossed as it seemed to be getting to the heart of the matter, what we haven’t seen until now (?), but perhaps due to the focusing of minds in anticipation of military intervention…

Listen from 7:04. The discussion begins a minute or so into it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039czxy

September 6th, 2013, 6:15 am

 

Uzair8 said:

On Sunday morning on Radio 5 Anita Anand hosted an international debate on the Syrian issue. I had to head to work but am now catching up online. If anyone else is interested they can listen below.

Listen to the introduction from the start and then you can skip the news/sport headlines and listen from 6:04:

Double Take – 01/09/2013

As President Obama hits the pause button on military strikes against Syria – Anita hosts an international debate on the crisis with guests from the US (Jonathan Paris), Syria (Halla Diyab), Russia (Andrey Kortunov) and France (Vivien Pertusot).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b039c2t1

September 6th, 2013, 6:50 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Journalist, Press Tv presenter, convert to Islam, activist, vehement opponent of Iraq war and general western wars, Yvonne Ridley:

Forget the red lines and political egos – focus on saving lives

Yvonne Ridley | 30th August 2013

I am a peace activist but at the moment one wrestling with her conscience because, in truth, if someone gave me a gun and Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad strolled into the crosshairs I think I would struggle not to pull the trigger.

The former eye doctor is a monster who has no boundaries when it comes to killing his own people. I have known this for many years and so has America, Britain and their allies.

In fact, until recently, the US has been more than happy to hand over people to the Assad regime in the full knowledge of what would happen to them in the notorious torture dungeons hidden across Syria. As a craven partner in the war on terror, Britain will also have been kept in the loop.

These same dungeons were set up by Bashar’s father Hafez al-Assad, a man who ordered the massacre of 20,000 Syrian citizens in the city of Hama in 1982. It was a brutal operation supervised by younger brother General Rifaat al-Assad. It seems that the apples do not fall far from the Assad family tree.

As such, for Obama to talk about red lines and for David Cameron to try and do a Blair, please forgive me for gagging with the stench of hypocrisy.

A red line was crossed way back in February 2011 when 18 schoolboys were “disappeared” by the Assad regime for daubing some harmless graffiti on a wall in Dera. ; another red line was crossed when the 11-year-olds re-emerged three weeks later with all of their finger nails missing, some of them castrated and every single one with at least one broken bone in his body.

A red line was crossed when, after six months of public rallies demanding justice over the treatment of the Graffitti Boys, more than 1,000 civilians had been killed; that was the breaking point for ordinary Syrians who had, until then, resisted calls to join the Arab Spring.

A red line was crossed a few weeks ago when the civilian death toll exceeded 100,000 and millions of Syrian men, women and children were listed as refugees in squalid camps in neighbouring countries.

The world is now confronted by a humanitarian disaster on a rapidly unfolding scale which can barely be compared with any other in recent times, man-made or otherwise. That the West thinks it can drop some bombs and cure the disaster speaks volumes in itself and reveals that nothing has been learned from the mess that is Iraq.

Nevertheless, the reality is that chemical weapons are being dropped on the Syrian people and they do need help from somewhere; anywhere. So what is a person of conscience to do or think?

[…]

http://yvonneridley.org/analysis-and-opinion/forget-the-red-lines-and-political-egos-focus-on-saving-lives

September 6th, 2013, 7:25 am

 
 

Hopeful said:

lol – this could be used to teach “political correctness” classes!

http://youtu.be/3xIIsHY-gi4

What an embarrassment this guy is!

September 6th, 2013, 7:42 am

 

zoo said:

Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/saudi-egyptian-relations-fault-lines-future-conflict


The nightmare scenario for the Saudis is for Egypt to take its own course on the Syrian crisis, realizing – as many Egyptians already know – that its national security is intimately linked to what happens in the Levant. The destruction of the Syrian army and the fragmentation of the country could very well be a prelude to subjecting Egypt – the Arab world’s largest nation – to the very same catastrophe, thus weakening it before the Zionist enemy.

Therefore, Saudi’s rulers are today pursuing a dual strategy in containing Egypt. On the one hand, they are working to undermine any independent course that the Muslim Brotherhood may take, in an attempt to subordinate them to Riyadh’s priorities in the region. At the same time, by showering the new government in Cairo with billions in aid and diplomatic support, it is hoping to keep Egypt under US-Saudi influence.

For the time being, the Egyptian government is doing its best to avoid any tensions with the Gulf kingdom, building on their mutual antagonism toward the Brotherhood and hoping to buy time until the country gets through this delicate transitional period. In the end, however, there is no avoiding the day when Egypt stands on its own, and conflict seeps back into its relationship with Saudi Arabia.

September 6th, 2013, 8:23 am

 

Tara said:

Hopeful,

The link should be sent to the congress. And to Suzan Rice.

May be to Mil Gibdon too? …Nay!

September 6th, 2013, 8:30 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Maaloula is more than what you said,Matthew,much more
I spent a summer there, I don’t enjoy seeing barren mountain, caves dug in a rocky mountain,I enjoyed seeing the mountain split Gorge(couloir), but more than that I enjoy the holy spirit that overwhelm you as you hear the beatiful stories ,as told by the nuns,so many great stories,by the history of Maaloula,by the fact that inspite of two thousand years an island where people still speak Araimic language,the clean very white houses, I slept with my mother in what we call DAIR, the priest split the frenulum under my sister tongue, cured her from her jaundice,that was a medical miracle to me, my mother saw a dream,the holly Teqla telling my mother about the fate of my other sister,which turned to be true.

Maaloula is a holly place,we should be proud of,however the regime committed obscenity in placing a military base there

September 6th, 2013, 8:38 am

 

zoo said:

Will more follow after listening to the wishy-washy Obama plan?

One House Republican Moves From “Do Something” to “Eh, Maybe Not” on Syria

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/09/05/one_house_republican_moves_from_do_something_to_eh_maybe_not_on_syria.html

llinois Rep. Randy Hultgren represents some of Chicago’s southwest surbubs, a generally conservative area …

Today, following a briefing, Hultgren said this.

The President’s case and the facts presented failed to make a compelling case for why it is in the national interest of the United States to engage our military in Syria. This is a tragedy that the international community must be fully engaged in, and we must pursue all options to determine what other actions can be taken to stop the bloodshed and pursue peace. But we cannot commit our military forces when there seems to be no clear objective or path to ending our involvement. History shows that there is no such thing as a limited or surgical strike – that every action will be met with a reaction. In this instance, I am concerned that military strikes could result in many unforeseen consequences.

Not quite “no,” but more of a “no” than he was hinting at before. And he’s a conservative in a safe seat.

September 6th, 2013, 8:43 am

 

zoo said:

AIPAC joining forces with Saudi Arabia and Qatar

AIPAC in Full Court Press on Syria
by Eli Lake Sep 3, 2013 6:00 PM EDT

AIPAC is breaking precedent to support war resolution on Syria. Eli Lake reports.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/03/aipac-in-full-court-press-on-syria.html

America’s largest pro-Israel lobby has deployed its organization in Congress to push for the president’s war authorization against Syria, according to a senior official with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) who called the effort a “full court press.”
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SANA/Reuters

Earlier Tuesday, AIPAC issued a strong statement supporting the president’s call for congressional authorization of limited airstrikes against Syria. A senior official at AIPAC tells The Daily Beast that the organization’s leadership received a phone call from a senior White House official on Saturday, after the president’s surprise announcement that he would be seeking congressional authorization for a Syria strike, asking what AIPAC’s position would be on a congressional resolution. This official said the lobby received similar calls from Republican and Democratic leaders in the House and Senate.

While AIPAC lobbies Congress for a stronger U.S.-Israel relationship, the group rarely deploys its lobbyists in favor of war resolutions like the one before Congress on Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

zoo said:

Is Hollande looking at the EU for a face saving retreat for his warmongering stances?

http://rt.com/news/g20-political-tension-syria-473/

French President Hollande, whose country was divided over supporting a strike on Syria, said that he expects some “political progress,” calling for a unified EU position on the issue. It was not immediately clear if Hollande had a change of heart in his readiness to join the US in military intervention. e

September 6th, 2013, 8:54 am

 

zoo said:

What might be targeted and how ?
US plans to carry out ‘limited Syria strike’ with stand-off weapons
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=61168

IHS Jane’s Defence expert says US does not have munition that is capable of safely destroying chemical weapons stockpiles.

LONDON – The alleged chemical weapons attack carried out by the Syrian forces last month has put the US intelligence in uncomfortable zone as Washington plans to carry out a limited strike with stand-off weapons, according to IHS Jane’s Defence.

“We are told that the current plan is to carry out a limited strike with stand-off weapons. That means that there will be no US aircraft in range of Syria’s air defences, so there will be no specific requirement to take out the surface-to-air missile sites and radars,” said Jeremy Binnie, an expert at IHS Jane’s Defence.

“Meanwhile, the admission that the US did not have the capacity to process the intelligence showing that Syrian forces were preparing a chemical weapons attack on 21 Aug until after the incident has flagged up the difficulties of tracking everything that is going on. For this reason, the extent to which the US will be able to hit mobile targets that require real-time intelligence is debatable. That said, if you wanted to hurt the Syrian military and limit its ability to attack neighbouring countries, then its longer-range ‘Scud-D’ ballistic missile launchers would be priority targets,” Binnie said.

“The cruise missile strikes that have opened other campaigns have typically targeted numerous fixed sites, especially buildings and bunkers that are associated with the Ministry of Defence, the military and intelligence services – we expect the same in Syria. Weapon storage facilities could also be targeted, much like the Israelis did earlier this year,” he noted, adding that “as the US does not have a munition that is capable of safely destroying chemical weapons stockpiles, these will not be on the target list.”

However, Binnie said that US planners would probably want to hit other targets that are associated with the chemical weapons programme when they believe this can be safely done.

Binnie expressed doubts that Syria’s infrastructure such as bridges and power plants would be targeted.

“I am not sure about this as that would create significant post-war problems for Syria, as it did for Iraq where the US struggled to get the country back on its feet because it had inflicted so much damage to infrastructure,” he said.

Binnie explained that weakening Syrian regime’s military capabilities such as air bases would not make too much difference to the conflict, as the Syrian military is more reliant on surface-to-surface weapons.

“Another possibility is that a more determined attempt to degrade Syria’s military capabilities will simply involve a wider campaign against division- and brigade-level headquarters and communications infrastructure, thereby decreasing the ability of the Syrian Arab Army to co-ordinate its operations,” he said.

September 6th, 2013, 8:59 am

 

jo6pac said:

Please remember if Amerika comes to the Syria rebels rescue they will destroy water, sewer, power, airports, bridges and all thing needed for citizens of Syria to live. Syria will look like this in the future and it isn’t pretty. I feel very sad my country does this to other nations that mean us no harm.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/05/lawlessness-and-ruin-in-libya/

September 6th, 2013, 9:02 am

 

zoo said:

The SAA comes to rescue Maaloula from Al Nusra Islamist fighters

Fri., 8:53am: Syria sends reinforcements to Christian village
September 6, 2013

http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/592643/Fri—8-53am–Syria-sends-reinforcements-to-Christian-village.html?nav=5192

BEIRUT – The Syrian government has dispatched reinforcements including tanks and armored personnel carriers to a predominantly Christian village north of Damascus where rebels have clashed with regime troops this week, a monitoring group said Friday.

Opposition fighters led by an al-Qaida-linked rebel faction attacked the mountainside sanctuary of Maaloula on Wednesday, and briefly entered the village a day later before pulling out in the evening. The assault has spotlighted fears among Syria’s religious minorities about the prominent role of Islamic extremists in the rebel ranks fighting to overthrow President Bashar Assad’s regime.

The government forces sent to Maaloula have taken up positions outside the village, which is still under the control of local pro-regime militias, said Rami Abdul-Rahman, the director of the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. He added that there were skirmishes Friday around the village, which is home to two of the oldest surviving monasteries in Syria – Mar Sarkis and Mar Takla.

The assault is being spearheaded by Jabhat al-Nusra, one of the most effective rebel factions and a group the United States has deemed a terrorist organization. The group includes Syrians as well as foreign fighters from across the Muslim world.

September 6th, 2013, 9:04 am

 

jo6pac said:

673. revenire said:

JO6PAC yes, they’ve censored it (along with many comments as well).

Thanks revenire, jo6pac

September 6th, 2013, 9:07 am

 

zoo said:

WANTED WITH REWARD

Syria offers bounty for foreign “terrorists”

(Reuters) / 6 September 2013

For the first time in Syria’s 2-1/2 year conflict, the government is offering a bounty to anyone who captures a foreign “terrorist” – the word authorities use for rebels fighting to topple President Bashar Al Assad.

In a brief statement on Syrian television, authorities said they would give 500,000 Syrian pounds to anyone who brought in a “non-Syrian terrorist” and 200,000 pounds to anyone who gave information on their whereabouts or helped apprehend them.

September 6th, 2013, 9:09 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Obama will speak in one hour

September 6th, 2013, 9:14 am

 

zoo said:

Is Erdogan going nuts?

Turkey’s Erdogan: Almost all G20 leaders call for operation in Syria
September 06, 2013 03:59 PM

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-06/230263-turkeys-erdogan-almost-all-g20-leaders-call-for-operation-in-syria.ashx#ixzz2e7NREr2Z

September 6th, 2013, 9:14 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our most distinguished benefactors of well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of these very important heads up.

1) German government is seeking to refer the recent CW attack to the International Court of Justice. Among those named for referral is none other criminal pervert, B. Al-Assad. This development followed recent German Intelligence revelations about the attacks.

2) President Obama has increased dramatically the scope and objectives of the upcoming strikes to include other branches of the military and expanded revised list of targets.

3) Non-essential U.S. personel in Beirut and Ankara have been ordered out of those places by the US State Dept. it is not clear if the move is a signal for the countdown to the zero hour.

4) Secretary Kerry has been very successful in enlisting support for the American move against Criminal Pervert among US alles particularly in Europe. There are increasing calls within NATO, that the operation should become a NATO operation.

September 6th, 2013, 9:15 am

 

zoo said:

#28 Majed

It will be Obama’s last chance…

Obama Losing The War At Home (The Note)
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/obama-losing-the-war-at-home-the-note/


As of now, he’s one of many House Democrats poised to vote no. Has anything in the administration’s argument been persuasive? “No,” he told ABC News after the meeting. “I listened to an official from the administration yesterday and while he was certainly powerful in his statements about why we should go alone, in terms of striking targets in Syria, I don’t think he said anything compelling.” When it comes to Syria, Cleaver ultimately said he has to treat President Obama like he would President Bush: “It doesn’t matter who sleeps in the White House,” he said.

September 6th, 2013, 9:17 am

 

revenire said:

“Brown Moses and others were very helpful in collecting and presenting the convincing evidence that it was the regime who conducted those attacks, something I wouldn’t have been able to do without that level of insight regarding weapons and munitions.”

Dr. Matt BARBER you are aware that Eliot Higgins aka Brown Moses is an unemployed video gamer with ZERO expertise in weapons/military hardware correct? Higgins has no military background.

If you don’t believe me just Goggle the stories that have been done on him in the UK press. I believe there are two. Here are links from the UK:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/21/frontroom-blogger-analyses-weapons-syria-frontline

http://www.channel4.com/news/brown-moses-blog-syria-arms-weapons-croatia

And from the propaganda site Syria Deeply:

http://beta.syriadeeply.org/2013/04/profile-man-brown-moses/#.UinaFtJ01gE

I am sorry to say this but it is sloppy intellectual work on your part to rely on Higgins for analysis of videos. It certainly isn’t proof.

September 6th, 2013, 9:37 am

 

revenire said:

“Annie” Krak des Chevaliers was overrun by Nusra. They will all be annihilated by the SAA. My army sources tell me it has already happened.

September 6th, 2013, 9:38 am

 

zoo said:

This is a much more sensible resolution. Has it any chance to fly?

Two senators mulling alternative Syria resolution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/09/05/two-senators-mulling-alternative-syria-resolution/

A draft resolution being circulated by two moderate Democratic senators would give the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad 45 days to sign an international chemical weapons ban or face the threat of “all elements” of U.S. military power.

Sens. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) are working on the alternative proposal, which would delay the immediate use of military force and compel the Obama administration to build more international and American political support for striking the Assad government, according to Senate aides familiar with the talks.

The resolution would give the Assad government 45 days to sign the chemical weapons ban and require President Obama to present lawmakers with a plan to end the violence in Syria through diplomatic means, according to a draft copy of the resolution obtained by The Post from Senate aides.

Aides cautioned that the final wording of a resolution is still in the works, but provided this proposed language:

“The failure by the government of Bashar al-Assad to sign and comply with the [Chemical Weapons] Convention clearly demonstrates a disregard of international norms on the use of chemical weapons. If the Government of Syria does not sign the Convention within 45 after the date of the enactment of this resolution, all elements of national power will be considered by the United States government.”

“Not later than 45 days after the date of the enactment of this resolution, the President shall submit to Congress a long term strategy for Syria, while concurrently using all appropriate diplomatic tools to develop and secure commitments from the international community with the shared strategic interest of preventing the proliferation and use of Syria’s chemical weapons.”

“This is a draft proposal Senator Heitkamp is working on to approach the very complex situation in Syria. It is one idea that is still a work in progress,” said her spokeswoman, Abigail McDonough.

September 6th, 2013, 9:41 am

 

revenire said:

No European nation, outside of France (and they say without the US forget it), that I am aware of is an illegal act of war and aggression against Syria. Quite the contrary.

If anyone has a list of nations who are for war – in or out of NATO – please post it for the readers because I say they’re lying.

September 6th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

zoo said:

“Limited strikes” he said? Well it seems there will be “Limited retaliation”

US intercepts Iranian order for attack on US interests in
6 September 2013 /REUTERS, WASHINGTON

The United States has intercepted an order from an Iranian official instructing militants in Iraq to attack US interests in Baghdad in the event the Obama administration launches a military strike in Syria, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.

September 6th, 2013, 9:45 am

 

Ghufran said:

Obama and Putin did not come up with an agreement on Syria according to CNN

September 6th, 2013, 9:55 am

 

zoo said:

Who is for, who is against and who is cautious?

Putin disputed that his dinner guests were split over the White House’s push for military intervention in Syria, saying only the U.S., France, Saudi Arabia, Canada and Turkey backed the move. He said British Prime Minister David Cameron supported it, but his Parliment does not and that German Chancellor Angela Merkel is “cautious.”

And he added, “who was opposing and condemning: Russia, India, Indonesia, China, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa, Italy… and also the Secretary General of the UN voiced his protest against, and let us not forget the address of the pope.”

Read more here: http://blogs.mcclatchydc.com/washington/2013/09/putin-disputes-suggestion-that-his-dinner-guests-were-split-5050-on-syrian-intervention.html#storylink=cpy

September 6th, 2013, 9:58 am

 

Uzair8 said:

27. Zoo said:

‘WANTED WITH REWARD

Syria offers bounty for foreign “terrorists”’

Sounds like clever improvisation. Lacking manpower the regime can get citizens to in effect help out.

September 6th, 2013, 10:02 am

 

don said:

JONES OPPOSES OBAMA ON SYRIA

http://jones.house.gov/press-release/jones-opposes-obama-syria

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressman Walter B. Jones (NC-3) issued the following statement regarding next week’s expected vote on a resolution that would authorize U.S. military intervention in Syria.

“I will vote against any proposal to authorize U.S. military intervention in Syria,” said Congressman Jones. “The reality of America’s dismal fiscal situation is that any money spent to bomb Syria will be borrowed from overseas or will be taken from the Defense Department’s already-shrinking budget – resulting in even fewer resources for Eastern North Carolina military installations. Neither of these options is acceptable.”

“Furthermore, there are serious questions about the credibility of the Obama administration’s claims regarding the use of sarin gas in Syria. The president has failed to explain how our national security depends on engaging in yet another Middle Eastern civil war on the side of radical Islamist rebels who have been documented as possessing sarin gas and BEAHEDING CHRISTIANS, among other atrocities.”

September 6th, 2013, 10:05 am

 

Syrian said:

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September 6th, 2013, 10:05 am

 

Syrian said:

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September 6th, 2013, 10:07 am

 

Uzair8 said:

CHEMICAL ATROCITY – THEORY #10

Assad lost his nerve*, perhaps in part pushed to the brink by the alleged assassination attempt, and went for it. Thinking the UN inspectors would be an alibi of a sort and that world focus was on Egypt.

*German Intelligence – Listening into Hezbo/regime they conclude/suggest Assad lost his nerve. See report online.

September 6th, 2013, 10:09 am

 

Uzair8 said:

General Ali Habib.

Assuming his defection is true…

Is the Syrian Army, or sections of it fed up of the mess created by the hardcore (4th Brigade, Republican Guards, Shabeeha etc) and wants out? Have they sent out Ali Habib, some suggest an acceptable figure to the opposition, as an alternative to Assad, someone who the army and opposition could get behind?

Has Gen. Habib discussed with friends in the army who are unhappy at the situation and particularly the upcoming intervention? Have they discussed, briefed, agreed on a plan and snuck out the General?

September 6th, 2013, 10:17 am

 

don said:

Bishops in US come out against military strikes on Syria

Leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in the United States opposed military action against Syria on Wednesday, saying it would led to “unintended negative consequences.”

In a letter to President Barack Obama, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops said Washington should instead “work urgently and tirelessly” with others to end Syria’s drawn-out civil war.

While condemning the use of chemical weapons in Syria, it said Pope Francis and Christian bishops in the Middle East have both urged the international community to avoid military intervention.

“They have made it clear that a military attack will be counterproductive, will exacerbate an already deadly situation and will have unintended negative consequences,” it stated.

Co-signing the letter were New York’s Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the Conference, and Bishop Richard Pates of Iowa, chair of its international justice and peace committee.

The Roman Catholic Church is the biggest Christian denomination in the United States.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130904/bishops-us-come-out-against-military-strikes-syria

September 6th, 2013, 10:19 am

 

zoo said:

That may save Obama’s face and makes him switch to push for the Geneva conference and guarantees that WMD won’t be used again

House Might Not Vote on Obama’s Syria Resolution

September 6, 2013 10:04 AM
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/357794/house-might-not-vote-obamas-syria-resolution-john-fund

Congressional aides in both parties tell me that the chances of President Obama winning House approval for military action in Syria are so bad they actually doubt the House would ultimately vote on it if failure seemed certain.

Two new whip counts of House members by ABC News and the liberal Firedoglake web site show a majority of House members firmly or leaning against intervention. The Washington Post’s more conservative count stands at 204 “no” votes, only 13 short of the majority needed to kill the president’s request.

President Obama’s aides say he will begin lobbying Congress personally after he returns from the G-20 summit in Russia late tonight. But his troops have been oddly nonchalant about building support. Organizing for America, the Obama political action group, has been silent and hasn’t communicated at all with its millions of e-mail subscribers about putting pressure on Congress. The White House’s legislative-affairs office has talked with only about 30 percent of House members so far — and some of those contacts are two weeks old.

“I just don’t believe that if defeat is certain, the House leadership will want to see a president utterly humiliated on the House floor in a public vote,” one top aide to the Republican leadership told me. Should the full Senate vote to approve an attack on Syria — as still appears somewhat likely — the battle would shift to the House. “An attempt would be made to let the whole thing go away. I don’t think it would be done to give the GOP any extra leverage in debt-ceiling or budget negotiations — Obama isn’t the grateful type — but simply because the weakness it would demonstrate wouldn’t be good for the country,” the aide told me.

September 6th, 2013, 10:19 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

I’ll give the coordinates, and zouzou can collect all the money for itself, being true secular, shxxt is shxxt to me independent of sect. So here you go

Foreign Jihadis
1. Presidential pallace: big contingent of Iranian Jihadies. Given the size, and their real value, 100,000 per person would be enough

2. Qusair: a contingent of nus-lira jihadi terrorist. Also since they are worthless to their owner nus-lira, 50,000 per terrorist is enough

3. Various locations in Aleppo, Also nus-lira jihadies same price as above, as well as near Sit-Zaynab shrine in Damascus. Big Iraqi terrorist contingent likely . 50,000 per terrorist.

4. Aleppo country side: ISIL and NUSRA, –various nationalities including Iraqis, Tunisian, Chechen, etc… 10,000 per each one. No more is needed. For some leaders, who are agents of the big-terrorist (Code named dog-poop chemical athad) reward should be full. (all for zouzou).

5. Same as above, Raqqa and sorrounding

6. Same as above, Idleb country side

Now if one is looking for foreign cyber terrorists and trolls … hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

*Note: condition: In case any of the above is captured, zouzou can only collect after they are handed to the US so that they can be given “humanitarian refugee status” in Guantanamo.

September 6th, 2013, 10:23 am

 

revenire said:

“Lucky 13” votes away from the humiliation of Obama and the victory of Assad.

Uzair General Habib is in Damascus. If not why haven’t the opposition paraded him around?

September 6th, 2013, 10:25 am

 

don said:

Probes from Khan al-Assal show chemicals used in the March 19 attack did not belong to standard Syrian army ammunition, and that the shell carrying the substance was similar to those made by a rebel fighter group, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated.

A statement released by the ministry on Wednesday particularly drew attention to the “massive stove-piping of various information aimed at placing the responsibility for the alleged chemical weapons use in Syria on Damascus, even though the results of the UN investigation have not yet been revealed.”

By such means “the way is being paved for military action” against Damascus, the ministry pointed out.

But the samples taken at the site of the March 19 attack and analyzed by Russian experts indicate that a projectile carrying the deadly nerve agent sarin was most likely fired at Khan al-Assal by the rebels, the ministry statement suggests, outlining the 100-page report handed over to the UN by Russia.

( the rush to bomb before an independent UN team publishes its findings should raise flags even among those who oppose Assad but it did not, we all know why)

September 6th, 2013, 10:25 am

 

don said:

I agree

69. sf94123 said:

I was very skeptical as I was analyzing the victims’ photos and videos- even I wrote about it at that time. Poor Children!! Absolutely, they don’t look like the Ghuta Sunni kids- even their clothes were different. Oh my God! Now we know that they were Alawis kids who have been kidnapped by the terrorists from the Alawi mountains of Lattakia then transported to the countryside of Damascus. Jihadists gassed them and then took photos of them and videos. CRIMINAL, Terrorists, Jihadists, Islamists, THOWRAT KHRA –

September 6th, 2013, 10:31 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

touche, i was waiting for the headless horseman who will pick up on buthaina thu3baan’s hysterics. Great. We now have today’s losers. classy sf and it wouldn’t be completed without DONANN. Lovely couple.

September 6th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

don said:

Vote “YES” on invading Syria against the will of the American people, and you’ll be voted out of office

Syria vote will ripple through 2014 campaigns

On Wednesday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted to approve authorization, over the “no” votes of two possible GOP 2016 presidential candidates, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul and Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. Both the full Senate and House are likely to vote on the resolutions next week.

Whatever the outcome of the vote, Syria could be an issue in key Senate races next year, when Republicans hope to wrest six seats away from Democrats and take control of the chamber. “If (a war in Syria) gets complicated, then it could become a problem for everybody,” says Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report.

On all sides, the longer the United States remains engaged in Syria, the bigger a political liability a “yes” vote would become – as did the 2002 Iraq vote.

http://www.kare11.com/news/national/article/1037956/18/Syria-vote-will-ripple-through-2014-campaigns

September 6th, 2013, 10:37 am

 

don said:

73. Ali said:

sf94123

Absolutely correct, the color of their skin and hair in addition to their facial features are so different to the peasants of East-Ghouta. Sunni kids tend to be more darkish brown with dark hair not like Alawis. In addition, it’s not school time in Syria and there’s noway to have these number of kids gathered in one place at the same time in a terrorists occupied area. That’s why they brunet their pure bodies to ashes instead of burying them with respect, they wanted to hide their crime.

The UN team has asked specifically to see some dead animals, but to their surprise there was none. So in summary, there was a CW attack where only kids and women have been killed while nobody else have been affected (except the acting videos) including dogs, cats and plans.

They have kidnapped more Christian kids this time from town of Maaloula, which mean another CW attack is about to happen.

We need an international protection from these terrorists, we need UN investigation.

September 6th, 2013, 10:39 am

 

don said:

76. Ali said:

PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY….

U.S. Hands Off Syria! – No War!

All Out Saturday, Sept. 7, Boston!
Rally at Park St. Station (Tremont & Park Sts.), 1:00 PM

All out to oppose any U.S. attack on Syria! We stand for peace!

September 6th, 2013, 10:41 am

 
 

don said:

79. Ali said:

Hands off Syria! Not another war! September 7 Demonstrations

From: Ramsey Clark former U.S. Attorney General

Let’s make our voices heard BEFORE the U.S. Congressional war vote. All out! Saturday, September 7

Join the call for united, regional and local actions.

In NYC come to Times Square –

42nd St & 7th Ave at 1pm.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/01/hands-off-syria-not-another-war-september-7-demonstrations-2/

September 6th, 2013, 10:43 am

 

don said:

80. Ghufran said:

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Terrorists in reef Latakia and reef dimashq are preparing for another attack with Turkish support in the north and ksa- Jordanian support in the south but this new adventure will not be the same as the last one, the type of attack Obama seems to be pushing for will only strengthen the regime and increase blood shed, obama does not have support for a wider war and he is simply defending his ego not the interests of the USA, that is why he will either deliver a halfhearted strike or starts another war and be remembered as GW Bush II and take this country into another Iraq war or worse, I still think he will choose the first option but that choice will be risky too.

this is not about Assad any more , and calling the attack, as aljazeera and alarabiya are doing now, a war on Assad will only fool those who want to be fooled.

September 6th, 2013, 10:45 am

 

don said:

81. Ali said:

Reuters: Protesters against U.S. military intervention cry “Hands off Syria” internationally

http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/08/31/protesters-against-us-military-intervent?videoId=263175079&videoChannel=1

September 6th, 2013, 10:47 am

 

revenire said:

BIG NEWS FROM THE G20 – PUTIN “WILL WE HELP SYRIA? WE WILL.”
OBAMA DONE FOR

Putin: Syria chemical attack is ‘rebels’ provocation in hope of intervention’

The alleged chemical weapons use in Syria is a provocation carried out by the rebels to attract a foreign-led strike, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at the G20 summit.

There was no 50/50 split of opinion on the notion of a military strike against the Syrian President Bashar Assad, Putin stressed refuting earlier assumptions.

Only Turkey, Canada, Saudi Arabia and France joined the US push for intervention, he said, adding that the UK Prime Minister’s position was not supported by his citizens.

Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Argentina, Brazil, South Africa and Italy were among the major world’s economies clearly opposed to military intervention.

President Putin said the G20 nations spent the “entire” Thursday evening discussing the Syrian crisis, which was followed by Putin’s bilateral meeting with UK Prime Minister David Cameron that lasted till 3am Moscow time.

Russia “will help Syria” in the event of a military strike, Putin stressed as he responded to a reporter’s question at the summit.

“Will we help Syria? We will. And we are already helping, we send arms, we cooperate in the economics sphere, we hope to expand our cooperation in the humanitarian sphere, which includes sending humanitarian aid to support those people – the civilians – who have found themselves in a very dire situation in this country,” Putin said.

http://rt.com/news/putin-g20-syria-meeting-511/

September 6th, 2013, 10:49 am

 

don said:

83. Ali said:

U.S. Hands Off Syria! – No War!

US Vs Syria-No War: For Once, The Might Of The People Have Stalled The War Mongers!

http://www.carbonated.tv/news/us-vs-syriano-war-for-once-the-might-of-the-people-have-stalled-the-war-mongers

84. Ali said:

U.S. Hands Off Syria! – No War!

“Protesters take to the streets around the world to march against U.S. military strikes”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408320/Protesters-streets-world-march-U-S-military-strikes–gather-support-Obamas-action.html

September 6th, 2013, 10:50 am

 

don said:

Allen West Rails On Obama’s Approach To Syria

Former Florida Rep. Allen West (R) took to Facebook once again on Wednesday to criticize President Barack Obama’s approach to a possible military strike in Syria.

“As a leader, he did nothing for all these months and now wants to enjoin everyone in his abject failure and abdication of accountability,” West wrote on his Facebook page. “I am not buying into Obama’s weak attempt of guilt-tripping us.”

West asked Obama to recall the outcome of unilateral action in Libya, and said that House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D), former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and current Secretary of State John Kerry all “sat with and praised” Syrian President Bashar Assad within the last six years, but now “want to blow him up.”

Less than a week ago, West took to Facebook to criticize Obama for his “strategic incompetence.”

“A year ago President Obama fired off his mouth,” he said, “and now he wants to fire off missiles.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/allen-west-obama-syria_n_3870105.html

September 6th, 2013, 10:52 am

 

don said:

RAND PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

“I think the Islamic rebels winning is a bad idea for the Christians, and all of a sudden we’ll have another Islamic state where Christians are persecuted,” Paul said.

September 6th, 2013, 10:53 am

 

don said:

88. Ali said:

Hands Off Syria – Take action in LA against U.S. intervention!

IN LA, THIS PROTEST IS SCHEDULED FOR THE DAY OF THE U.S. ATTACK. THE DAY OF THE ATTACK, BE AT CITY HALL (WEST STEPS) AT 5:30PM N. Spring St

PLEASE SEE THIS ACTION FOR SATURDAY’S PROTEST: http://www.answercoalition.org/la/events/la-rally.html

September 6th, 2013, 10:54 am

 

don said:

Grayson’s Opposition

Representative Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, is trying to harness public opposition to Obama’s request through a website his campaign created,

http://www.dontattacksyria.com <<=== Please VOTE here

He said 25,000 people in 48 hours signed a petition against military intervention. It’s at 59,812 votes so far.

“We needed a way to call the attention of open-minded House members,” he said in an interview.

September 6th, 2013, 10:57 am

 

don said:

Allen West to Congress: Don’t Let Obama Make You a Scapegoat for Syria (video)

http://townhall.com/video/allen-west-to-congress-dont-let-obama-make-you-a-scapegoat-for-syria-n1689574

September 6th, 2013, 10:59 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Seems like DONANN has been kicked out from the “cesspool” sites it used t o siphon content from. Most likely for excessive violations of the “copy rights” of the retarded anti-imperialist “thinkers”. Neat. Now we have DONAAN recycling local manure.

September 6th, 2013, 11:01 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Slow down DON..slow down..LOL!

DON’s fired up today!

What’s Radio RagimeLand (RL) been broadcasting today I wonder?

September 6th, 2013, 11:02 am

 

revenire said:

Support for US attack in the Congress has crumbled.

LOL

September 6th, 2013, 11:02 am

 

revenire said:

How Intelligence Was Twisted to Support an Attack on Syria

Secretary of State John Kerry assured the public that the Obama administration’s summary of the intelligence on which it is basing the case for military action to punish the Assad regime for an alleged use of chemical weapons was put together with an acute awareness of the fiasco of the 2002 Iraq WMD intelligence estimate.
Nevertheless, the unclassified summary of the intelligence assessment made public August 30, 2013, utilizes misleading language evocative of the infamous Iraq estimate’s deceptive phrasing. The summary cites signals, geospatial and human source intelligence that purportedly show that the Syrian government prepared, carried out and “confirmed” a chemical weapons attack on August 21. And it claims visual evidence “consistent with” a nerve gas attack.
But a careful examination of those claims reveals a series of convolutedly worded characterizations of the intelligence that don’t really mean what they appear to say at first glance.
The document displays multiple indications that the integrity of the assessment process was seriously compromised by using language that distorted the intelligence in ways that would justify an attack on Syria.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18559-how-intelligence-was-twisted-to-support-an-attack-on-syria

September 6th, 2013, 11:06 am

 

Hopeful said:

#52 Don

Why hasn’t the Syrian government of state TV eulogized or talked about these victims like it usually does with other supposed victims of the terrorists?

September 6th, 2013, 11:07 am

 

don said:

“Diplomacy is the Best Way to Intervene in Syria,” By Max Weiss
Posted by Joshua on Wednesday, September 4th, 2013

Diplomacy is the Best Way to Intervene in Syria
By Max Weiss – Princeton University

“Every time the Syrians mourn a martyr another martyr falls, and that’s the way funerals drag along behind them…more funerals.” So wrote Samar Yazbek in her diaries of the Syrian revolution that I translated from the Arabic.

The specter of greater violence and even more funerals now looms on the Syrian horizon.

Following the massacre of over 1,000 Syrians in an alleged chemical weapons attack, which crossed a “red line” uttered by President Obama last year, our country is now hurtling towards a military campaign against Damascus, ostensibly to punish President Bashar al-Assad.

“We cannot raise our children in a world where we will not follow through on the things we say, the accords we sign, the values that define us,” Obama declared, announcing that he would deign to seek congressional support for armed action in Syria.

However, Mr. Obama is finding it hard to justify intervention.

The White House might summon the responsibility to protect (R2P), an emerging doctrine meant to guide the ethical conduct of states and international institutions, as a justification for intervention. The elephant in the room is that the first 100,000 lives lost to bullets and non-chemical attacks did not seem to activate the moral sensors of the R2P crowd. The nature of the weapons involved—be that chemical or biological, nuclear or conventional—should have no bearing whatsoever on the responsibility of the international community.

They could cite humanitarian suffering as a justification for intervention, but the United States and its allies have consistently lacked the political will to mitigate the humanitarian catastrophe inside Syria as well as among the
mushrooming refugee populations in Jordan, Iraq, Turkey and Lebanon. Given the deterioration of the security situation inside the country and the constantly shifting battleground, non-lethal aid has had a notoriously difficult time finding its way into the hands of those who need it most.

In June of this year, the White House rolled out $300 million in humanitarian assistance on top of $515 million that had already been committed, which sounds like a lot of money. But assuming a conservative estimate of over one and a half million refugees scattered around the region, and as many as 4 million people internally displaced, even if the entire $815 million were doled out in a single year and miraculously made it inside Syria, with no overhead costs, this would work out to $148/refugee. But the displacement crisis is years old now, and on the brink of spiraling out of control: the true assistance is probably closer to $40-50/refugee. In response to the UNHCR’s appeal for $4.4 billion, the largest in the organization’s history, the Obama administration responded by offering to take in 2,000 of the more than 5 million displaced.

So what justification for intervention is left?

For lack of a compelling legal, moral or humanitarian argument, the U.S. administration seems to be ramping up for what might be called Operation Save Face. Obama wants to drop bombs because he once said he would. Such a callous calculus is hardly grounds for a just and viable Middle East policy.

Key figures in the Syrian opposition abroad and inside the country reject negotiations with the regime; they want al-Assad’s head on a pike. Yet there is good reason to believe that military escalation in Syria will likely only result in further military escalation in Syria. Bashar al-Assad is unlikely to respond without a credible threat, but a stick-heavy approach devoid of carrots is a policy bound to fail.

The best course of action for the United States in Syria remains aggressive diplomacy and a more robust commitment to humanitarian assistance.

To begin with, U.S. diplomats and government representatives must live up to their titles and redouble their efforts to unclog sclerotic diplomatic channels. We could urge Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to stop fanning the flames by arming various rebel groups. We could make every effort to ensure that the upcoming Geneva peace talks do not fail. We could throw our weight behind the Friends of Syria initiative that is set to reconvene in Paris soon. Obama should set aside his dispute with President Vladimir Putin over Edward Snowden and demand a sit-down to resume discussion on this burning issue. Moreover, the election of moderate Iranian president Hassan Rouhani and U.S diplomat Jeffrey Feltman’s recent visit to Tehran represent an opportunity to improve U.S.-Iranian relations that must not be squandered. Unless the White House immediately builds upon these developments, then U.S. diplomacy is once again consigned to enabling militancy rather than defusing conflict.

“Just longing for peace does not necessarily bring it about,” Secretary of State John Kerry concluded in his recent remarks on the crisis in Syria. Through Kerry, the Obama administration affirmed its commitment to “a diplomatic process that can resolve” the conflict “through negotiation.” If diplomacy is the ultimate goal, how does a limited bombing campaign advertised well in advance work in the service of such a negotiated solution?

The Obama administration has made clear once again that the “values that define us” include unilateralism and punitive foreign policy—in other words, vigilantism and thuggery.

If the Obama administration remains loath to actively engage the diplomatic front with the same tenacity it seems to be pursuing military action, then we ought to drop the charade that the Syria crisis has escalated over a concern to protect the Syrian people and acknowledge that this is a policy of machismo: we said we would use our stick, and now we must prove to the world that we can.

*Max Weiss is assistant professor of History and Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University.

LINK WAS CENSORED BY SYRIA COMMENT

September 6th, 2013, 11:14 am

 

Uzair8 said:

“They kidnapped children and men from the villages of Latakia and they brought them here put them in one place and used chemical weapons against them.”

BS

September 6th, 2013, 11:27 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Listening to President Obama,I believe he made up his mind,unless Assad agrees to leave, If Assad gave up CW and signed to join anti chemical ban,that would not be enough, Obama will make the case for strike on tuesday as he will address the nation

September 6th, 2013, 11:35 am

 

Alan said:

BREAKING: Russia will help #Syria in case of foreign military assault – Putin
http://rt.com/news/syria-crisis-live-updates-047/
******
memo to Max Weiss @70.
/ Diplomacy is the Best Way to Intervene in Syria / Princeton University
Mr Max!
Your articles look without access to intelligence data of the Russian Federation and the United States of America gaunt and without any benefit!I advise you to dive more beyond the known masses

September 6th, 2013, 11:36 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our most distinguished, well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following heads up marked by them as of extremely high importance.

Mr. Obama made his speech. He sounded resolute, determined and stronger than ever. He clearly stated that the UNSC no longer is a priority for his stated objective. He also seems to have a clearer vision as to what should be accomplished in Syria by the coalition of the willing against criminal pervert, CWACP for short.

On the other hand, Putin seemed completely lost repeating his oft-repeated tirades about the so-called legality of the defunct UNSC, due to his own incompetence no doubt. Regarding the question he was asked about expected Russian support to Criminal Pervert once attacked, and whether Putin will come to the defense of his criminal comrade, Putin sounded timid and resorted to all sorts of obfuscations and convoluted arguments about the support Russia is already providing, but he emphatically stated that Criminal Pervert’s war is NOT Russia’s war. Putin seems to be content to continue to sell weapons for future Syrian governments, thus confirming the expected sell-out of criminal pervert in the end of the day, and providing so-called humanitarian aid (often poisoned with some forms of strings attached) to the civilian population that he never cared about for the last two years and a half.

September 6th, 2013, 11:40 am

 

apple_mini said:

It seems a quiet day. No major news or development. But underneath current is reversing.

Just several days ago Obama and Kerry made a momentum to push for military strike with the help of those top brass law makers. It is dissipating fast. Overwhelmingly people express their repulsion for another war no matter how the administration has been tailoring it. Congressman who supports the resolution is facing warning from their constituents.

As we have guessed Obama is still not liked on the other side of political arena. I have confidence to predict the house will NOT pass it.

Whether Obama will still go for the strike without congressional approval, it is his call.

Those Syrian expats who are calling for strike. I challenge you to put a sign in your front yard to express your support for military operation as a Syrian.

September 6th, 2013, 11:51 am

 

sf94123 said:

Criminals, Jihadists, Islamists and Fanatics in Syria with the support of Muslim Brotherhoods are doing what Muslim jihadists used to do 1400 years ago- They viciously attack and terrorize peaceful communities in the name of Allah (they liberated them from the infidels). Today they use pickups and machine guns instead of horses and swords. They go inside a community, slaughter, kidnap, rape and kill innocent women, men and children to please their twisted mind ALLAH – MR. MCCAIN: SHOUTING ‘ALLAHU AKHBAR!’ is not the SAME AS CHRISTIANS SHOUTING ‘THANK GOD!’ Just keep playing poker! – Thanks God you are not the president of the United States of America.

https://joshualandis.com/blog/jabhat-al-nusra-and-other-islamists-briefly-capture-historic-christian-town-of-maloula/?cp=2#comments

September 6th, 2013, 11:56 am

 

Alan said:

After launching a war low intensity for two years and a half of the lineup global Formatted led by the United States, Israel and some European countries and the Arab Gulf states and Turkey, with the participation of all the radical guys and attack fierce on the Syrian Arab Republic and the financing of financial supernatural by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and military aggression launched by Israel on the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic . After all this aggression cup-reader comes from America to prefer a peaceful solution!
If speech is silver , the silence is gold!

September 6th, 2013, 11:56 am

 

Rancher said:

When Obama loses this he’s done. So are many who vote for this. The big question is will he go ahead anyway? That will surely drag under many of his supporters in 2014.

I wish we would help the Kurds, they seem to be the best use of our resources. The least we can do is help the tens of thousand refugees in Kurdish Iraq. The money can be pretty assured to go toward relief which can’t be said of any funds or supplies going into Syria.

Israel will attack Iran sooner or later, it can’t allow Iran to get nukes. This war is cumming whether we attack Assad or not.

September 6th, 2013, 12:08 pm

 
 

Alan said:

Some here raises the subject of the Kurds! He believes they are illiterate! Kurds will be the fiercest enemies of the collapsed States of America!!!

September 6th, 2013, 12:14 pm

 

revenire said:

I think any elected who votes for this stands a great chance of losing the 2014 election.

September 6th, 2013, 12:16 pm

 
 

zoo said:

#81 Revenire

That’s why Hillary and usually passionate Bill remain silent…

September 6th, 2013, 12:35 pm

 

revenire said:

The remaining filth has been cleaned out of Ghota. Congratulations to the heroes of the SAA and President Assad!

Syrian Army Controls Der Salman in East Ghota Amid Clashes in Homs, Daraa

The Syrian news agency SANA confirmed that units of the national army restored security and stability to the Der Salman town of East Ghota in Rural Damascus on Friday, after the army stormed the town this morning.

A military source said an army unit active in Homs arrested “members of an armed terrorist group coming from Iraq,” as the army continued “chasing terrorists in the neighborhoods of Al-Qarabis and Qosoor, as well as in the towns of Khalidiya and al-Dar al-Kabira, leaving a number of them killed or injured.

The source told SANA that terrorists have targeted with rocket-propelled grenades big Homs hospital in the al-Wae’r neighborhood, which led to serious material damage to the place.

The army also targeted ” gatherings and strongholds of terrorists in al-Sa’n and Hosh al-Shabbout in Homs countryside and Rastan, killing many of them and destroying a number of their vehicles including.

An official source told SANA correspondent that “other army units targeted a number of terrorists’ communities east of engineers’ building and near the Zawiya Mosque in Bab Hood neighborhood , in the vicinity of the Al-Qarabis National Hospital, killing a number of them and destroying their crime tools.

The source pointed out that the Engineering troops dismantled two explosive devices weighing 30 kg each, primed to explode remotely and planted in bags inside the cemetery of Al-Meshrefa village east of Homs.

In Daraa city and its countryside, army units destroyed arms and ammunition depots and hideouts of militants.

A military source told SANA that “army units have left large numbers of dead and wounded terrorists in the city, and destroyed their arms and ammunition depots, in addition to a number of their communities and their hideouts.”

The Syrian army launched a wide-scale military operation to clear the country of al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front terrorist militiamen active in the state.

Syria was hit by a violent unrest since mid-March 2011, where the Syrian government accuses foreign actors of orchestrating the conflict by supporting the militant opposition groups with arms and money.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=109382&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=20&s1=1

September 6th, 2013, 12:36 pm

 

revenire said:

The American people are ENRAGED that this war criminal Obama dares to use the US military to support Al-Qaeda.

September 6th, 2013, 12:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Heads up

“Just so you may know, our most distinguished, well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following heads up marked by them as of extremely high importance.

Obama speech was a disaster, he totally lost any chance of getting other that the usual “ex” and “future” colonialist countries on his side.

Obama seems to be content to continue to sell (offer) weapons for present and future Israeli governments

Putin was firm and defiant while Obama looked like a smart kid who got himself in deep trouble.

The Congress may either vote NO or cancel the vote and ask for another resolution, one of negotiations.
End of chapter.

September 6th, 2013, 12:44 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Al said “You’re a respectable real Syrian, thanks to all Sunnis similar to you”

Just for the record, I am not Muslim.. I care less about all religious!

September 6th, 2013, 12:45 pm

 

Alan said:

SPASIBO Mr Putin !
http://youtu.be/ftdO71cdRRg?t=1s
http://inotv.rt.com/2013-09-06/Putinu-hvataet-muzhestva-zadavat-neudobnie
******
Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov.
In all this the action of the main purpose of the West – is not Syria. Syria – it’s just an obstacle that must be removed. A goal – Russia and China.

September 6th, 2013, 12:48 pm

 

revenire said:

Just in…

No real surprises here EXCEPT Matt Barber, Joshua Landis and other writers at Syria Comment have cited the Institute for the Study of War’s propaganda as source material without divulging the fact that O’Bagy is on the payroll of the “opposition”.

Shame on Syria Comment for not doing due diligence on their sources.

=====================

Woman informing Kerry, McCain’s opinions on Syria also an advocate for Syrian rebels, Scholar cited by Kerry and McCain as authority on Syrian rebels is actually paid by Syrian rebels

The woman whose opinion lawmakers are relying on to go to war in Syria is also a paid advocate for the war-torn country’s rebels.

On Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry encouraged members of the House of Representatives to read a Wall Street Journal op-ed by 26-year-old Elizabeth O’Bagy — an analyst with the Institute for the Study of War — who asserted that concerns about extremists dominating among the Syrian rebels are unfounded.

“Contrary to many media accounts, the war in Syria is not being waged entirely, or even predominantly, by dangerous Islamists and al-Qaida die-hards,” O’Bagy wrote for the Journal on Aug. 30. “Moderate opposition groups make up the majority of actual fighting forces,” she wrote.

Scholar cited by Kerry and McCain as authority on Syrian rebels is actually paid by Syrian rebels; Woman informing Kerry, McCain’s opinions on Syria also an advocate for Syrian rebels

The woman whose opinion lawmakers are relying on to go to war in Syria is also a paid advocate for the war-torn country’s rebels.

But in addition to her work for the Institute for the Study of War, O’Bagy is also the political director for the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), a group that advocates within the United States for Syria’s rebels — a fact that the Journal did not disclose in O’Bagy’s piece.

In an interview with The Daily Caller, O’Bagy said that despite her title as the group’s political director, she is paid as a contractor.

She insisted that she is not involved in the political lobbying that SETF does. “They kind of have two departments within the Task Force — one focused on working with the government on the Hill on advocacy and then the other working inside Syria and directly implementing government contracts,” she said.

O’Bagy’s relationship with SETF is a serious conflict of interest, according to David Reaboi, vice president for strategic communications at the Center for Security Policy.

“While there’s been a lot of worthwhile effort to expose activists considered pro-Assad or pro-Hezbollah — or, at least, to consider their analysis as coming from an interested party — O’Bagy seems to pass herself off as an impartial observer of the situation. Her access to Congress, intelligence services and to think tanks should be regarded as what it really is, which is a reflection of the Syrian rebels’ cause and aspirations,” Reaboi said.

In speaking with TheDC, O’Bagy regularly insisted that she was not a salaried employee of SETF, but a paid contractor acting in an advisory role.

“I’m the political director and aid coordinator, and that’s my official title at the organization, but that’s mostly because it provides me an opportunity to engage on humanitarian issues and to be a part of some of these larger government contracts going to humanitarian aid,” O’Bagy said.

The Foreign Policy news site reported in June that SETF “boasts extensive contacts with rebel commanders” and “spent months lobbying Congress, the State Department and the White House for everything from small arms to anti-tank and and anti-aircraft weapons to body armor to advanced communications equipment for the rebels.”

O’Bagy is quoted in the Foreign Policy piece saying that the Obama administration’s June decision to openly arm Syrian rebels didn’t go far enough. ”Small arms and ammunition really only get you so far against airplanes,” she said then.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/05/woman-informing-kerry-mccains-opinions-on-syria-also-an-advocate-for-syrian-rebels/

September 6th, 2013, 12:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
If you borrow someone else brain, you will realize that if the strike was successful,those who voted for it will have more chance to win re election

September 6th, 2013, 12:53 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our most distinguished, well informed and highly reliable sources authorized the release of the following heads up marked by them as of extremely high importance.

The defense ministers of the EU, meeting in Vilnius, Lithuania, just agreed on important resolutions with regards to the use of banned CW’s by the Criminal Pervert who goes by A.K.A. B. Al-Assad.

The ministers condemned Criminal Pervert for his most recent crime against humanity which crowned his long and lustred career of continued murders and slaughters of innocent Syrian people. The ministers called for full accountability measures to be enforced against Criminal Pervert Inc. They further called upon the international community to show unwavering resolve in confronting Criminal Pervert, apprehending him and bringing him to justice.

On the other hand, British media came out today with a flurry of articles all stressing the importance of military action against Criminal Pervert as the only way forward to deal with the situation. It looks like the British public opinion has been misgauged by the parliamentarians who clearly betrayed traditional British values that are clearly being violated by the recent developments and the capitulation of the British Parliament to Crimes Unlimited, a clear black mark on the record of this institution that will take quite sometime to erase.

September 6th, 2013, 1:01 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Elizabeth O’Bagy was cornered by Fox news yesterday- They unmasked her live- She is an opportunist- Sold her soul for few bucks !

September 6th, 2013, 1:02 pm

 

Tara said:

I called Senator McCain office today and I expressed my great appreciation on behalf of Syrian Americans to his effort saving Syrian children.

September 6th, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

revenire said:

I’ve always been disgusted with the 26 year old O’Bagy. The ISW reports are full of glaring holes.

September 6th, 2013, 1:04 pm

 

revenire said:

I called Senator McCain’s office today to express great disgust, on behalf of all Syrian-Americans, for his rapacious efforts to murder Syrian children.

September 6th, 2013, 1:05 pm

 

zoo said:

#78 Rancher

“When Obama loses this he’s done. So are many who vote for this. The big question is will he go ahead anyway? That will surely drag under many of his supporters in 2014”

Obama would have lost, I think he will be “winning”. The American people will love and respect him more to have allowed them to give their opinion, when he could have just bypassed them.

I have repeated that I think Obama secretly wants the Congress to say NO, because while he is saying that ‘justice’ must be done, he is not at all convinced that a military strikes will do that. The plan he presented look so improvised and wishy-washy that it seems to be designed to be unconvincing.

He was certainly pressed by the warmongers ( France, UK, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey) to react fast, without thinking too much. Well he managed not to act so fast. Yet he could not get an alternative resolution in the short time after UK backed off.
To buy time, he threw the warmongers plan to the Congress, while he is working on developing a diplomatic plan B.

I still think that the plan B involves first the neutralization of the chemical weapons, not militarily as this is impossible, but through a diplomatic deal where Russia would play a role, second forcing the opposition to go to Geneva.
well, all this maybe wishful thinking..

September 6th, 2013, 1:07 pm

 

zoo said:

#94 Reve

Why doesn’t any one ask Elizabeth O’Bagy how much money she is paid as ‘a contractor’ and who is paying her, Saudi Arabia, Qatar of Israel?

Another opportunistic oily sandals licker…

September 6th, 2013, 1:15 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
I called senator McCain office they said they have not received your message

September 6th, 2013, 1:17 pm

 

Alan said:

McCain has not received Vietnamese message until they broke his both hands and bones!

September 6th, 2013, 1:24 pm

 

zoo said:

Hollande backs off.
He will now wait for the UN report and the Congress, despite having repeated that France has all the proofs that Bashar did it and he was going to show them at the G20 meeting.
Obviously the proofs were so weak that he decided he wouldn’t want to ridicule himself

http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2013/09/06/2669205/france-urges-eu-to-be-united-on.html

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — French President Francois Hollande said Friday he will wait for the U.N. inspectors’ report on their investigation of a chemical weapons attack in Syria before deciding whether to intervene militarily.

That means even further delay in potential international armed action against Syrian President Bashar Assad’s military. France and the United States are preparing possible strikes, saying they have convincing evidence that Assad’s regime launched the Aug. 21 attack.

France, which firmly backs the Syrian rebels and has strategic and historic interest in the region, had been ready to act last week but held off when President Barack Obama declared he would consult Congress first.

Hollande told reporters at a Group of 20 summit in St. Petersburg, Russia, on Friday: “Yes, we will wait for the inspectors’ report, as we will wait for the Congress vote.”

It was the first time Hollande said he would wait for the U.N. report.

Read more here: http://www.sanluisobispo.com/2013/09/06/2669205/france-urges-eu-to-be-united-on.html#storylink=cpy

September 6th, 2013, 1:27 pm

 

zoo said:

98. majedkhaldoun

Do you know Revenire’s real name to check if Mccain received his message or not?
Has he received other commenters message?

September 6th, 2013, 1:30 pm

 

revenire said:

I always wanted to be a bounty hunter. $4000 seems a little skimpy but the emotional rewards seem high.

Syria’s govt offers bounty for “non-Syrian terrorists”

The Syrian government has announced that it is offering a bounty to anyone who captures a “non-Syrian terrorist”, or helps to apprehend one, state television said. A bounty of 500,000 Syrian pounds (roughly $4,000) will be offered for capture, while 200,000 pounds (about $1,500) goes to anyone who gives information regarding terrorist locations. The statement said the identities of those who provided information would be kept secret and their “protection ensured”. Concerning Syrian rebels who informed on their comrades, state television added, that they would be granted amnesty and “their affairs will be settled.” The ongoing Syrian civil war started two and a half years ago and has already cost over 100,000 lives, according to UN estimates.

September 6th, 2013, 1:32 pm

 

Alan said:

@Zinvor
Those Americans who vote FOR war on #Syria serve Israel’s national interests & those who vote AGAINST it serve America’s national interests.

September 6th, 2013, 1:36 pm

 

revenire said:

Just got off the phone with ISW about O’Bagy to see if they had a comment to the press on her being on the insurgent payroll.

I’ve never talked about this here but I do a little press work myself.

🙂

Details on their reply will be published.

🙂 🙂

September 6th, 2013, 1:36 pm

 

zoo said:

Al-Qaeda Demands Congress Pass Obama’s Syrian War Resolution

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/09/al-qaeda-demands-congress-pass-obamas-syrian-war-resolution-2754700.html

Below is a statement by Jamal Ahmed al-Tahiri, the spokesman for Al-Qaeda in Damascus (AQD), demanding that Congress pass President Obama’s Syrian War Resolution.

In the Name of Allah the Merciful, America the Accursed, Aslam O’ Alikum,

Very rarely in history do states go to war for moral reasons and higher values of civilization as opposed to the safeguarding of national interests, or national defense.

In our day, humanity is confronted with crimes and injustices that are committed by intolerable dictators, as well as the indiscriminate use of weapons of mass destruction by rogue regimes.

In Syria, Bashar the dog has transgressed against the moral laws of mankind, the divine laws of God Almighty, and basic international norms. In the face of this reality, America has decided to act, not for its own selfish reasons and petty national interests, but to defend the values, interests, and laws of a new global civilization. America is acting against Assad to uphold the basic rules of law on the international stage.

Al-Qaeda in Damascus respects this decisive and courageous step taken by America. We see in Washington a light that can illuminate Syria in our darkest night.

September 6th, 2013, 1:36 pm

 

revenire said:

Brother Majed calm yourself. God watches over the great president of Syria and his army.

Victory is near.

September 6th, 2013, 1:38 pm

 

Tara said:

Almost everyone knows Revenire name. He is a public figure.

September 6th, 2013, 1:38 pm

 

zoo said:

98 Majed

I didn’t know you had an assistant secretary on SC.
Congrats!

September 6th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
What victory?
Is getting hit hard ,is it victory, I told you you need to borrow a brain

September 6th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you have no idea who I am, where I am or what I am. Go back to licking Obama’s boots for an attack on Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 1:52 pm

 

Alan said:

Russian members of Parliament “regret” refusal of US congress to discuss in DC Syria chem weapons. Say it proves weakness of US position. 🙂

September 6th, 2013, 1:52 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed today the army has killed 387 terrorists so far – only 7 SAA soldiers have died, 34 wounded.

I don’t see any attack. I see a desperate Majed crying for someone to murder Syrian women and children on an Internet forum.

September 6th, 2013, 1:53 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
Take care of Revenir well as obviously you are his secretary now, get him a brain

September 6th, 2013, 1:54 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed

You seem to be convinced that even if the Congress says Yes, Obama won’t do it ( “its not in his nature”).
It seems now that France won’t do it either before the UN report.
Whats your next prediction?

September 6th, 2013, 1:55 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed my friends in Air Force Intelligence asked me to ask you when the attack is coming.

September 6th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed is going to predict the sun will rise tomorrow. Everyone pay attention.

September 6th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
you are desperately in need of a brain

Assad is hiding in sewage tube,his thugs are losing,Your Assad needs Axiron, you need M.o M.

September 6th, 2013, 2:01 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Majed

Reve takes well care of himself, he does not need any help at all.
I can’t say the same about you.

I worry that, in despair, you stop taking your aspirin that you have been advised to take. Why don’t you take comfort with people who share you anxiety on SC and keep calling McCain, if that helps.

September 6th, 2013, 2:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed lay off the Captagon – you’re hallucinating.

September 6th, 2013, 2:03 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Reve,

You know I do.

But do not worry. Zoo asked me to close that subject and I abided.

And I genuinely believe you are entitle to your opinion.

September 6th, 2013, 2:06 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
The strike will be loud,Assad will come out deaf,will not be able to hear anymore, you see the bombing sounds will have echo inside the sewage tube
Also he will be cross eyed
I told you ,you need it

September 6th, 2013, 2:07 pm

 

ghufran said:

Again, Ali Habib is in Tartous:
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sorry if I busted anybody’s bubble

September 6th, 2013, 2:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Another delay? Bandar ben Sultan should organize the next ‘chemical weapon attack’ urgently. He is loosing the momentum of the first one

Russia demands IAEA to declare risks of military strike against Syria on nuke safety
06/09/2013

http://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2332183&Language=en

VIENNA, Sept 6 (KUNA) — The Russian Federation has asked the International Atomic Energy Agency to reveal negative consequences of any military action against Syria.
“In order to prevent further negative scenarios, we urge the IAEA Secretariat to react without further delay to the current situation and to provide member states with full analyses of risk associated with possible American strikes on the Miniature Neutron Source Reactor (MNSR), near Damascus, ” Valdimir Voronkov, Russia’s resident representative at IAEA, said in a letter to IAEA Secretary General Yukiya Amano.
Russia warned that any strike on Damascus could have catastrophic consequence on nuclear nonproliferation.
“In light of aggravation of the situation around Syria of particular concern is the possibility that a military action against this country may affect the sites sensitive from the point of view of nuclear safety, security and nuclear nonproliferation,” Voronko wrote.
“Thus, if a bomb deliberately or inadvertently hits the Miniature Neutron Source Reactor (MNSR) near Damascus the consequences could be catastrophic.” (end) amg.ibi KUNA 062100 Sep 13NNNN

September 6th, 2013, 2:09 pm

 

Tara said:

Finally at last!! …. I got the Aspirin massage through.

At least that was worth the trip,

September 6th, 2013, 2:11 pm

 

zoo said:

“72 percent of respondents.. said their country should stay out of Syria”,

Majority of Turks against Syria intervention: Survey
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/majority-of-turks-against-syria-intervention-survey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=53995&NewsCatID=341

A majority of Turks disapprove of any potential military intervention in Syria, much like their European and American counterparts, a survey has revealed.

In Turkey, 72 percent of respondents to the Transatlantic Trends 2013 survey, which was conducted by the German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF), said their country should stay out of Syria, up 15 percentage points from last year, while only 21 percent – down 11 percentage points – favored intervention.

September 6th, 2013, 2:12 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you have no idea who I am. You have no access to people’s IP addresses so how could you know?

?

Your troll game is to look for the emotional response from posters you disagree with. I have seen it dozens of times with dozens of posters.

I think you’re a reprehensible human being calling for Syrian babies to be murdered. You’re totally amoral and a liar to boot. I don’t care what you say about me.

September 6th, 2013, 2:13 pm

 

don said:

Obama/McCain/NATO death squads execute 7 Syrian soldiers

Graphic video footage of OBAMA/McCain/NATO death squads shooting and burying Syrian soldiers.

http://www.nytimes.com/video/2013/09/05/multimedia/100000002421671/syrian-rebels-execute-7-soldiers.html#100000002421671

September 6th, 2013, 2:14 pm

 

zoo said:

@124 Ghufran

Does this Ali Habib has the gift of ubiquity, he has a double or the opposition continue to lie and lie in despair ?

Defecting former Syrian defense minister reaches Istanbul: Sources

Bashar al-Assad’s former defense minister has reached Istanbul after a defection that betrays cracks in the president’s support among his own Alawite sect, opposition and diplomatic sources said on Sept. 5.

“My information, based on a trusted Western source, is that he is in Istanbul,” veteran dissident Kamal al-Labwani, now based in Paris, told Reuters on Sept. 5. “Habib exited with Western intelligence involvement, so do not expect public statements by security operatives on his whereabouts.”

September 6th, 2013, 2:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
you can use mebendezol(vermox),if you are in a hurry to know

September 6th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

revenire said:

The idea Ali Habib defected with chemical weapons proof was always ridiculous. The people spreading this foolishness look even more stupid than before – if that’s possible.

Just go look up “Curveball” and Iraq and see the reason the story was spread.

September 6th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

don said:

Brutality of Syrian Rebels Posing Dilemma in West
By C. J. CHIVERS
Published: September 5, 2013

The Syrian rebels posed casually, standing over their prisoners with firearms pointed down at the shirtless and terrified men.

The prisoners, seven in all, were captured Syrian soldiers. Five were trussed, their backs marked with red welts. They kept their faces pressed to the dirt as the rebels’ commander recited a bitter revolutionary verse.

“For fifty years, they are companions to corruption,” he said. “We swear to the Lord of the Throne, that this is our oath: We will take revenge.”

The moment the poem ended, the commander, known as “the Uncle,” fired a bullet into the back of the first prisoner’s head. His gunmen followed suit, promptly killing all the men at their feet.

This scene, documented in a video smuggled out of Syria a few days ago by a former rebel who grew disgusted by the killings, offers a dark insight into how many rebels have adopted some of the same brutal and ruthless tactics as the regime they are trying to overthrow.

As the United States debates whether to support the Obama administration’s proposal that Syrian forces should be attacked for using chemical weapons against civilians, this video, shot in the spring of 2012, joins a growing body of evidence of an increasingly criminal environment populated by gangs of highwaymen, kidnappers and killers.

The video also offers a reminder of the foreign policy puzzle the United States faces in finding rebel allies as some members of Congress, including Senator John McCain, press for more robust military support for the opposition.

In the more than two years this civil war has carried on, a large part of the Syrian opposition has formed a loose command structure that has found support from several Arab nations, and, to a more limited degree, the West. Other elements of the opposition have assumed an extremist cast, and openly allied with Al Qaeda.

Across much of Syria, where rebels with Western support live and fight, areas outside of government influence have evolved into a complex guerrilla and criminal landscape.

That has raised the prospect that American military action could inadvertently strengthen Islamic extremists and criminals.

Abdul Samad Issa, 37, the rebel commander leading his fighters through the executions of the captured soldiers, illustrates that very risk.

Known in northern Syria as “the Uncle” because two of his deputies are his nephews, Mr. Issa leads a relatively unknown group of fewer than 300 fighters, one of his former aides said. The former aide, who smuggled the video out of Syria, is not being identified for security reasons.

A trader and livestock herder before the war, Mr. Issa formed a fighting group early in the uprising by using his own money to buy weapons and underwrite the fighters’ expenses.

His motivation, his former aide said, was just as the poem he recited said: revenge.

In Washington on Wednesday, Secretary of State John Kerry addressed the issue of radicalized rebels in an exchange with Representative Michael McCaul, a Texas Republican. Mr. Kerry insisted, “There is a real moderate opposition that exists.”

Mr. Kerry said that there were 70,000 to 100,000 “oppositionists.” Of these, he said, some 15 percent to 20 percent were “bad guys” or extremists.

Mr. McCaul responded by saying he had been told in briefings that half of the opposition fighters were extremists.

Much of the concern among American officials has focused on two groups that acknowledge ties to Al Qaeda. These groups — the Nusra Front and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — have attracted foreign jihadis, used terrorist tactics and vowed to create a society in Syria ruled by their severe interpretation of Islamic law.

They have established a firm presence in parts of Aleppo and Idlib Provinces and in the northern provincial capital of Raqqa and in Deir al-Zour, to the east on the Iraqi border.

While the jihadis claim to be superior fighters, and have collaborated with secular Syrian rebels, some analysts and diplomats also note that they can appear less focused on toppling President Bashar al-Assad. Instead, they said, they focus more on establishing a zone of influence spanning Iraq’s Anbar Province and the desert eastern areas of Syria, and eventually establishing an Islamic territory under their administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/world/middleeast/brutality-of-syrian-rebels-pose-dilemma-in-west.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

September 6th, 2013, 2:22 pm

 

ghufran said:

These are your heroes:

Video footage has emerged which shows the moment seven of President Bashar al-Assad’s Syrian soldiers are executed on camera by rebels fighting to overthrow the regime.
The soldiers are stripped, bound and pushed to the ground where a number of rebels stand over them pointing guns at their bodies. Some bear vicious injuries on their backs and arms.
Just before they are killed, the ring-leader Abdul Samad Issa – known as ‘The Uncle’, recites a poem before he fires the first bullet.

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(this video was widely posted and was seen by a lot of Americans, I was asked about it 3 times today from people who are not usually interested in politics and international affairs)

September 6th, 2013, 2:25 pm

 

Tara said:

No. You are wrong. I am not interested in your emotional response. I occasionally give you hard time because you are not Syrian and you have no stake in Syria.

And I am saying occasionally because I do put conscious effort to “behave nice” but fail occasionally.

September 6th, 2013, 2:25 pm

 

zoo said:

@128 Revenire

I fully agree with you and a game player and a liar too.

September 6th, 2013, 2:27 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, we just received a most important heads up from our well informed and highly reliable sources.

There was a competition that was not lost on the roving media cameras in Petersburg on seating arrangements which involved specifically neighboring seat to the head of the Saudi delegation. David Cameron left his seat next to Al-Assaf, Saudi minister of treasury, for a brief period of time. Cameron came back from behind to find Angela Merkel seated next to the Saudi minister and engaged in a long conversation. Cameron then tapped Merkel on her shoulder, and when she looked and saw Cameron she did not understand at first the object of the tap until Cameron pointed to the plaque in front of her with his name on it. Politicians have a unique way of faking ignorance in public.

There was also a slur made by Putin’s spokesman in which he said that Britain is a small island to which no one cares about or pays much attention. Cameron had to take issue of the slur to remind the Russians and the audience, that even though Britain is an island and small, yet its historical grandeur is unparalleled by even the much bigger states. Cameron also reminded the audience that the Brits gave the world the most lasting inventions in addition to the Beatles and Elgar.

Our most distinguished benefactors wish to remind Cameron that Elgar is in fact of Arab origin.

September 6th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

Alan said:

Position of the Syrian government in response to allegations
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/06-09-2013/125591-position_syria-0/

September 6th, 2013, 2:31 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Mr. Shahror is coming along with Jarba to present their evidence about CW in front of the congress.
Mr Abdul Tawwab Sharor was head of CW medical committee in Syria, he is general, just defected, and has several evidences

September 6th, 2013, 2:33 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Majed

“Mr. Shahror is coming along with Jarba to present their evidence about CW in front of the congress.”

Yawn….

September 6th, 2013, 2:35 pm

 

revenire said:

Ha ha if I had a nickel for every prediction the blowhard Majed has made over the last three years I’d have at least $10-20 bucks. He makes several per day!

Majed you an endless source of laughter for me. I can’t believe you’re a real person.

September 6th, 2013, 2:38 pm

 

zoo said:

#137 Headsup

Ha Ha Ha ! Sir Edward William Elgar, 1st Baronet was of ‘Arab origin’

Just like Al Bert, El Ectricity , El Ephant and El Ementary…

Well done !

September 6th, 2013, 2:42 pm

 

revenire said:

Britain isn’t a small island no one cares about?

Could of fooled me.

September 6th, 2013, 2:43 pm

 

Tara said:

Zoo,

You are calling me liar?

Thank you.

September 6th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
it is a shame to insult a friend of long time,is this part of your religion, or the way you were raised?

September 6th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 

revenire said:

Tara you have no idea who I am or what my origin is. No one gave you my IP address to guess with. This is mere childish trolling on your part.

What else would we expect from a woman who claims to be Syrian (I don’t believe you’re Syrian at all – anyone can say anything on the Internet) who calls for the murder of Syrian babies by Obama?

What kind of Syrian would do that? What kind of mother?

I smell a fraud.

Go back to begging the Zionists to murder Syrian women and children.

September 6th, 2013, 2:47 pm

 

zoo said:

Now that UK and France backed off, is Obama preparing his safe landing strategy?

Obama Still Losing on Syria Abroad, in Congress

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/obama-still-losing-on-syria-abroad-in-congress.html

“It’s conceivable at the end of the day I don’t persuade a majority of the American people that it’s the right thing to do,” said Obama from Russia today. “And then each member of Congress is going to have to decide.” He added, “I trust my constituents want me to offer my best judgment. That’s why they elected me. That’s why they re-elected me.”

The obvious subtext of President Obama’s plan to speak to the American people about Syria on Tuesday ahead of a planned congressional vote next week — and his refusal to say what happens if he’s shot down — is that things are not going well. If yesterday’s rough vote estimates were bad, today’s are worse: “If the House voted today on a resolution to attack Syria, President Barack Obama would lose — and lose big,” Politico reports.

September 6th, 2013, 2:49 pm

 

Alan said:

“The U.S. Continues To Use Depleted Uranium White Phosphorous WOULDN’T Join The Landmine Ban”
http://youtu.be/3WvvXFoXBGo?t=1s

September 6th, 2013, 2:49 pm

 

Alan said:

Truth May Scare You!! What The Media Isn’t Telling You About Syria. US Boots On The Ground Syria 24 FSA Battalions Join Al Qaeda!!
Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/truth-may-scare-you-what-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-syria-us-boots-on-the-ground-syria-24-fsa-battalions-join-al-qaeda/#XWHQjD7r7G0HoLqQ.99

September 6th, 2013, 2:51 pm

 

zoo said:

146. majedkhaldoun

Come on you know the answer!

September 6th, 2013, 2:53 pm

 

Alan said:

Senators Authorizing Syria Strike Got More Defense Cash Than Lawmakers Voting No

Senators voting Wednesday to authorize a Syria strike received, on average, 83 percent more campaign financing from defense contractors than lawmakers voting against war.
Overall, political action committees and employees from defense and intelligence firms such as Lockheed Martin, Boeing, United Technologies, Honeywell International, and others ponied up $1,006,887 to the 17 members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee who voted yes or no on the authorization Wednesday, according to an analysis by Maplight, the Berkeley-based nonprofit that performed the inquiry at WIRED’s request.
Committee members who voted to authorize what the resolution called a “limited” strike averaged $72,850 in defense campaign financing from the pot. Committee members who voted against the resolution averaged $39,770, according to the data.

It’s all about the money, folks. The military industrial complex owns various assets in Congress, through overt and covert contributions to finance their election cycles: it’s just that simple.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/syria-war-authorization-money/

September 6th, 2013, 2:54 pm

 

revenire said:

MA’LOOLAA HAS BEEN CLEANSED COMPLETELY OF THE CHECHEN RODENT INFESTATION. THE SYRIAN ARMY’S REACTION WAS SUDDEN AND TOTAL WITH 49 ____* KILLED AS THE ARMY SURROUNDED AND SNUFFED THEM OUT. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE PEOPLE OF MA’LOOLAA.

We are pleased to report that our prediction yesterday, based on intel from Syria, proved to be correct as to the exact hour. The Syrian army, which was devastated on Wednesday by a Jordanian suicide bomber operating for the Chechen group, “Brigades of the Immigrants” (yawn), recovered its bearings immediately and took control of all quarters in the city by Thursday at 11:00 p.m. Damascus time.

The details are that a Jordanian national vermin had prayed and was given the assurances of eternal life by some quack fake-Muslim shaman 2 hours before he got behind the wheel of a Mercedes truck loaded with a ton of military-grade TNT and apparently C-4. The truck was reinforced with protective metal to prevent SAA soldiers from disabling him before he reached the checkpoint at the northern entrance to the city. The terrorist rodents had gotten used to the SAA’s quick response to approaching trucks and provided protection in just the right amount to allow the Jordanian weasel to reach his goal.

Monzer reports that a resourceful sergeant in charge of the unit reported the advance of a “suspicious” truck and was told to order it to stop. When it did not, the sergeant ordered his men to open fire. When the truck did not stop after being riddled with hundreds of shells, an RPG was fired at its engine compartment. That was too late as the truck had reached a high rate of speed and was hurtling toward the checkpoint. Some soldiers were saved by armored vehicles and trenches around the checkpoint. All told, though, 13 SAA fighters were martyred by this Satanic monster who is now swimming in his own impersonal Oblivion.

After the usual Chechen-style slaughter-orgy now familiar to Syria-watchers, the SAA regrouped under command of a Major Salaah —– and worked around the Chechen ____*. Just a few hours ago, the word came that the SAA broomed them out of existence as of last night. There were no rat survivors but 2. The only names of carcasses sent by Monzer are:

“Abu Al-Qafqaas Al-Sheeshaani” (CHECHEN INTESTINAL PARASITE)
Muslim Ghurbaal
‘Ali Jabaara

There were many foreigners among this particular group which originated in the Dayr El-Zor area.

*censored by Matt Barber

September 6th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 
 

Syrian said:

This is how Obama is going to deal with Chemical Assad
http://youtu.be/187zSv_IoOU

September 6th, 2013, 3:07 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

The lethal toxin released by Assadist elements clings to Syria Comment. The main action of the agent seems to be confusion and partial blindness.

As with the cheerleader comment above about the ‘silence’ of former secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Several times we have seen this news-junkie propose that Clinton has said nothing in way of support to a military strike on Syria’s civil war machine.

There is this: “Hillary Clinton Backs Obama on Limited Syria Strike” datelined Washington, Sept. 3, 2013:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton today endorsed President Obama’s plan for limited U.S. military action in Syria, giving a boost to the administration as it mounts a full-court press to win over Congress and the public.

“Secretary Clinton supports the president’s effort to enlist the Congress in pursuing a strong and targeted response to the Assad regime’s horrific use of chemical weapons,” a Clinton aide told ABC News.

Meanwhile, the more loony of the SC regimists, represented by the
headless horseman from the Urals, continues on the path laid down by Bouthaina Shaaban, everyone’s favourite demented Assad propagandist.

With a fresh turn, however, the faceless cheerleader suggests that Alawite children are ‘different’ from other Syrian children, lighter in skin … we have descended past stupidity to the grinning face of racism.

Does it occur to the squad and its intellectual leaders that this kind of racist dodgem does nothing to support the fantasy of Auntie?

Here’s a challenge to the squaddies: assemble a coherent, comprehensive and warranted account of the Magical Alawi Airlift Gassing to Ghouta. Fill in the blanks. Give us one real name of one real child who was ‘taken’ … sketch a map of the evil plot as it happened.

Meanwhile, the sideshow of political machinations in Hogwallow on the Potomac continues. I have zero confidence in the US Congress to support Obama — there are too many domestic partisan blockades and no history of putting aside differences to speak with one voice. We can be amazed, appalled or bored sick by the amount of posturing on the issues, heartened, saddened or revolted by the messy work of US democracy.

But contrast the congressional chest-beating and electoral tactics to the utterly quiescent and powerless structures of state ‘reformed’ by Assad. Where there is never a debate, only endorsement, never any sharp questions raised against presidential policy, only hosannas (or, if a mild dissent, prosecution).

It bears mentioning that the massive destruction of urban infrastructure is the responsibility of the Assad war machine. At no time did the powers at the top of the pyramid deign to ask for commentary or votes on war plans. Each escalation of the war machine was a choice by the war cabinet alone.

I cannot see the future dreamed of by the headless horsemen of war here. I cannot picture what kind of Syria these folk want to see — beyond a dictator on his throne with unlimited power and control.

We catch only glimpses of this glorious future: a place where absolute power is vested in a family, where all laws are decreed, where total annihilation of the ‘terrorists’ is accomplished, where the secret Terrorist Court is the highest assizes, where no independent media may act, where all those who are opposed to the dictatorship can languish in prison or be dispatched by a bullet to the head or tortured in perpetua.

A country of iron rule, fear, obedience and subjection. What a dream. Stalingrad as far as one can see, this is what comes after the final peace/victory/annihilation wished for by the hatemongers here.

Note well that the greatest war cries in these comments are not from the side of the anti-Assads. Remember the numerous instances of aggressive hate and threats and demands from this side. Remember the boasts, the calls to destruction and domination, the knives of fanaticism and intolerance.

Note that the cheerleaders have cheered on and will cheer on the dictator in every measure, in every atrocity, in every lunatic re-casting of history. at every step and level of madness. Note the silent support for the crazy claims of Shaaban. And wonder with me just what stores of crazy await us still in the horror that is Syria. Wonder also about the post-war Assadist paradise the headless hope will emerge from the carnage.

What will the cheerleaders cheer if Assad can regain total control and vanquish the enemy? We see the signs of this magical future state here every day, a state of coercion, led by war criminals, slaked by blood.

Cheer on the war machine, horsemen. Cheer on Assad chemotherapy, summary executions, terror-rockets, fuel-air bombs, and daily tallies of innocent non-combatant lives lost. Cheer on the Terrorist Court, and cheer on the unelected thugs who lead the security services. Cheer on the total annihilation of the Other, and cheer on the relentless purges that will follow the consolidation of power by the criminals.

I suspect the Assad squad will become more shrill in the days to come, in suspense, in not knowing what decision will come from America.

September 6th, 2013, 3:13 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Hey everyone, we have the full name of the body which posts here as DON.

Disinformation Or Nonsense. (D.O.N.)

It’s their official departmental title. It describes the material they use to spam SyriaComment with junk cutpastes.

(As TARA pointed out, they are the re-branded ANN (Assad News Network) on this forum)

September 6th, 2013, 3:15 pm

 

Rancher said:

Some of you believe, or at least are selling the idea, that if this goes well it will be a win for Obama. First off, this isn’t going to pass, maybe in the Senate, maybe, but it stands no chance in the House. It looks like the House won’t even put it to a vote because it has no chance. So he will have wasted time allowing Assad to make the mission far tougher and thumb his nose at the will of the people, 60% who oppose this, if he goes ahead and strikes. In that case it has to be a resounding success, even though he hasn’t even defined what success would be. We can’t stop Assad from doing this again, especially if he didn’t do it in the first place. He will have no down side using chemical weapons after this and has much to gain. He can say I might as well use them if I’ve already been punished. He can show that the Americans can’t push him around. Trying to sell a second strike for a second use of WMDs after the first failed will be more than even this egomaniac can contemplate.

A successful strike will be if there are no civilian casualties, he stops further use of WMDs, no chemical weapons are released into the environment, there is no retaliation from Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, or Russia, and Assad takes a beating but not too big a beating. Imagine being a general planning that? There will be dead children even if Assad has to plant them after the fact. Iran will have to react, otherwise its credibility takes a hit. Any excuse to attack Israel will be pounced on. Jordan could be hit. Lebanon might be hit. Depending on the scope of any retaliation Israel will counter attack, we might have to counter attack, we could escalate this into a nightmare. This cannot go well for Obama, it’s just impossible.

September 6th, 2013, 3:24 pm

 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

Rancher
US would love for HA to retaliate, that will be the end of HA, Persia can not be successful.
Success is destroy CW,destroy airports and aircrafts
Most important is to destroy Assad thugs around Damascus,to enable the FSA to enter Damascus

September 6th, 2013, 3:34 pm

 

Syrialover said:

It’s diplomacy that stops other countries from holding their noses and pointing out Putin’s stinking, leaking trousers.

Known but unspoken fact: Russia is a collaborator and facilitator in the atrocities committed by the Assad regime against the Syrian people.

Which makes nonsense of involving Russia in any actions to stop Assad using chemical weapons. It’s asking Putin himself to surrender, admit full blame and stop what he’s doing in Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 3:37 pm

 

Syrialover said:

How to disband Hezbollah instantly: offer its members and their families visas, mainstream jobs and a chance to make a life in the west.

Watch Nasrullah being knocked over and trampled to dust in the rush.

Same thing would work with members of the Iranian militia teams in Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 3:50 pm

 

revenire said:

Ha ha buck up Syriahater! Victory is coming for Syria and Assad!!

September 6th, 2013, 3:51 pm

 

omen said:

what a beautiful image to be greeted by.

September 6th, 2013, 3:53 pm

 

revenire said:

‘Buffalo’ Bill Scherk the fired ex-Syria Comment moderator. Scherk was running his own NSA spy ring when he had an all-access pass to your private information. He was giving his Nusra cannibal friends poster’s private IP address so they could be harassed at their homes and places of business.

Shame on Syria Comment for allowing private information about posters to leak out via Scherk.

Ann told me all about it.

PS – Scherk you don’t delude yourself into believing anyone reads your long-winded drivel do you? Zzzz.

You are no Danielle Steel ‘Buffalo’ Bill.

September 6th, 2013, 3:53 pm

 

omen said:

cnn had a dr. khaldoun (from philly) arguing against intervention! how ironic is that? made my heart skip for a second. i was like, nah, that can’t be our doc. ?

September 6th, 2013, 3:55 pm

 

Rancher said:

158. William Scott Scherk said:

Several times we have seen this news-junkie propose that Clinton has said nothing in way of support to a military strike on Syria’s civil war machine.

Well this quote from your link is where we got that idea:

After allegations of a horrific Syrian chemical weapons attack surfaced last month and the Obama administration prepared a response, Clinton remained silent, even as other recent Obama administration alumni, including former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and several of the president’s political rivals, spoke out.

Now that she’s spoken out I would bet she is hoping that when it fails to pass congress Obama lets the matter drop. She is like McCain, she wants substantial support for the rebels not a “message” meant to be just strong enough to avoid being mocked.

September 6th, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

apple_mini said:

After Obama gets defeated at Congress, someone in his administration needs to take the heat.

The indisputable candidate would have to be John Kerry.

Otherwise, imagine in the future diplomatic scene, his counterpart would ask him whether he has authority for the decision or he needs to get a vote from Congress. That would be too embarrassing for him and US.

September 6th, 2013, 4:02 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

Majedkhaldoun would you support Christian heavily armed militias (not regular armies) coming to Syria in order to defend the Christian minority and their holy places against you know who? Would you support European and Latin American countries directly or indirectly donating money and weapons to these “Christian helpers”? Should the Pope demand a new modern crusade? It could become a popular and effective way to erase Al Qaida extremists in Syria.

September 6th, 2013, 4:03 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s a crystal clear reminder that Assad is NOT Syria.

Imagine how much toxic fog would disappear if this went viral on the internet and was shown on prime time TV.

September 6th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

ghufran said:

These are your heroes:

(surgeon, Muhammad Abyad, working for Doctors Without Borders was killed by ISIS according to SOHR)
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ISIS also killed a poet, Muhammad Al-Hamadeh, who is known for his anti regime stance:
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September 6th, 2013, 4:10 pm

 

revenire said:

I heard Kafranbel was gassed by Nusra. Is that true? Someone said it would ensure Obama attacking if the entire town was wiped out in a new chemical attack.

I believe it is only a rumor.

September 6th, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

Alan said:

I am very curious watching the actions of the United States. They really want to overthrow Assad. Very , very, very much. But the original plan to change the political system of a sovereign state has failed . The Islamists have been so stupid that even with the help of American trainers , losing a civil war. Obviously, the need to help themselves. It is curious that the Islamists , who consider the United States the number one enemy , touching look into the mouth Americans waiting for help . They are so stupid that they think : ” Use of Americans in their own interests, and then he ‘ll count them as their primary foe .” Americans think exactly the opposite . Islamists want them to get their hands (which, as it turned out , grow out of ass ) to change the regime in Syria. The fact that it will be then supplied weapons used against them , they now do not think , because the main objective of the operation is in danger …

Thus , the debit to credit . Islamists get kicked . And waiting for help from the U.S.. And the U.S. hesitates to drop the mask and very very insolently climb into Syria. In the first place , because it will be a signal to all without nuclear countries: ” No weapons of mass destruction and their means of delivery – you are nothing . You not independent . We can bend when you want. Gird active .” In short , the United States really need a reason . Americans are unsophisticated . They say: ” We will intervene if Assad is killing civilians en masse .” And here again! A few facts massacre . But very quickly it turns out that the ” brutal regime ” was not involved in the massacre . The Islamists have worked too rough. Then the U.S. makes another statement : “We will intervene if it used chemical weapons .” And then , how to order – it applies. How apropos !

Let’s say it was used Assad . What for ? In order to lure the United States into a trap. To get them to get into a conflict . Probably some kind of ruse , eh? And if Assad does not , it turns out the Americans , too, must intervene – but on the side of the regime. They wanted to overthrow . Naturally, the U.S. never and that will not help Assad . So what? No options . You need not deviate from the version that used the chemical weapons Assad . Otherwise Americans fall into the same trap laid for them . What evidence there is in the U.S.? Actually no . Only statements that they believe in the guilt of Assad. Excellent . It would be nice to extend this practice to the courts of all instances. Here we are sure that the person is guilty , the evidence we have , like, is there, but the secret , no one will show . Write down the ten citizen , your honor.

Now, for example , a call from the U.S. State Department to some president of some country and begin to make : what the opposition is something you behind bars , a peace rally was shot ? We express our concern. And he answered them : “We have no choice. They used chemical weapons. Proof? Secret .” That’s all. In modern politics the main foreign policy that ? To be able to lie with abandon , despite the fact that everyone knows that you are lying, as Trotsky . Moreover , it is curious that the Americans took all the complaints about the lie chimical weapons in Iraq , as God’s dew. And now the same crank in Syria. Of course , the chemical weapons from al-Assad is. He applied it against the citizens of the country ? The big question. And apply whether against a foreign aggressor ? In this I do not doubt for a second . Americans also nothing to prevent drop nuclear bombs on the Japanese cities of peace . And can I apply poisons Islamists against their supporters ? Yes easily. These gentlemen end justifies any means. And when the whole thing at stake, can be sacrificed as an offering for its bloody deity that it would send for a rain of fire on enemy troops .

In fact, we are now seeing the panic the U.S. State Department . It always happens when the primary plan collapsed , and spare not. But panic soon gave way to a primitive ” will act on the Iraqi version .” Nothing that we then screwed up ? Nothing , the world gobble . The main thing is to pretend that we do believe in your nonsense . Americans do not want to send troops to Syria. They want a little bombing to help Islamist s. And if that does not work ? The U.S. will be in the role of golife , grab a little ass kicked by David. Worse, Syria may transfer to the United States , some fighting, because military intervention – a declaration of war . Worse may be that disloyal U.S. Middle Eastern states will realize that the ” superpower ” is not omnipotent , and its opinion is negligible.

Among other things , the protection of civilians in the United States is always associated with the massive loss of most of these civilians. Point strikes prove to be carpet bombing . And then it’s all in the WikiLeaks lay out . Because ordinary Americans meanness and lies . So much so that even the beautiful patriotic scenes in Hollywood movies , it is not capable of varnishing . Lying U.S. will inevitably become apparent. U.S. leadership for several years in fact tramples his country’s flag , destroying the state’s authority in the international arena . Little lies creates a lot of mistrust . But Americans do not enjoy a little lie. Only global lies, only the hardcore …

September 6th, 2013, 4:15 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SIMOHURTTA #171. Wrong. They wouldn’t be normal Christians with the approval of any church or government any more than the “foreign fighters” having a violent fantasy adventure in Syria are normal Muslims.

If they existed, any such group would be misfits, losers or mentally unstable types with their own invented religion just like their ISIS counterparts.

September 6th, 2013, 4:20 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s the core case for doing something in Syria. So why such a tsunami of irrelevant noise and hysteria obscuring it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/09/05/the-real-case-for-syria-strikes-makes-sense-so-why-isnt-anyone-making-it/

September 6th, 2013, 4:26 pm

 

Alan said:

Shame on Syria Comment for allowing private information about posters to leak out via Scherk.
It seems that Scherkov Surveyors shoes looking for work to improve their situation! Also leaked about me the ID to their masters!

September 6th, 2013, 4:30 pm

 

revenire said:

If Christians acted to protect Christian towns in Syria they’d be worshiped as heroes.

September 6th, 2013, 4:33 pm

 

apple_mini said:

I am still convinced regardless of the outcome of this CW. The war is entering to its last phase: path to ceasefire and peace.

The scenario in my mind is this: No military strike. Further US covert military involvement in Syria will be under tighter scrutiny. That does not mean Assad is the winner. Russia will exert more pressure on him. John Kerry will “voluntarily” resign. US administration has enough of Syria war and it also pushes for political solution.

For American politics, Americans saying NO to their government’s military aggression and its success will have profound impact in the future.

As for the Jihadi in Syria, American’s drone attacks might be the best way to get rid of them.

September 6th, 2013, 4:33 pm

 

Syrialover said:

175. ALAN

Please, have mercy. Stop adding here to the torrents of confused pseudo-analysis and speculation about America.

Instead, help the world out by talking about things you have special knowledge about.

Like how is Putin seriously expecting to wash the stinking dripping mess he’s made in Syria out of his pants?

September 6th, 2013, 4:36 pm

 

revenire said:

“178. ALAN said:
Shame on Syria Comment for allowing private information about posters to leak out via Scherk.
It seems that Scherkov Surveyors shoes looking for work to improve their situation! Also leaked about me the ID to their masters!”

Long ago I emailed Joshua Landis asking about ‘Buffalo’ Bill Scherk. This was after the now-banned Ann told me Scherk was handing out IPs to Nusra supporters here. Landis replied that Scherk no longer had access to the private IPs. I asked Matt Barber about it too and he said he’d never give out private IPs. That is good but this invasion of privacy did happen.

September 6th, 2013, 4:36 pm

 

Alan said:

182. REVENIRE
U R absolutely right!

September 6th, 2013, 4:42 pm

 

revenire said:

This Canadian abomination writes these long, boring odes to Al-Nusra. Who reads them? Other Nusra supporters? Does this odd person feel that Syrian women and children will be spared Obama’s smart bombs? Spared a cannibal’s hunger? Do Syrian women really deserve to be raped just because Obama and a few traitors hate Assad?

How many Syrian women and children must die for Bill Scherk to be sated? Or, is it all Assad’s fault? Missiles will fall on civilians because of Assad?

Assad Assad Assad.

These are real animals in action. I have to say I find them all highly disgusting and immoral. Every pro-“revolution” post nauseates me.

September 6th, 2013, 4:50 pm

 

Rancher said:

The Generals don’t want this:

A war the Pentagon doesn’t want
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-military-planners-dont-support-war-with-syria/2013/09/05/10a07114-15bb-11e3-be6e-dc6ae8a5b3a8_story.html

Money quote:

“They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.”

September 6th, 2013, 4:53 pm

 

Syrian said:

A film about Ghouta Massacre using chemical weapons. More than 1600 civilians died including about 400 children.
When will you act silent world?..
When will stop the Syrian bleeding?..
Where is your humanity?..

#Act2EndAsaadsWar #CWMassacre #Syria #Obama #USIntervation #Yes4Obama #WakeUpAmerica #SOS

http://youtu.be/V8yheuQekMI

September 6th, 2013, 4:57 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

176. Syrialover said:

SIMOHURTTA #171. Wrong. They wouldn’t be normal Christians with the approval of any church or government any more than the “foreign fighters” having a violent fantasy adventure in Syria are normal Muslims.

If they existed, any such group would be misfits, losers or mentally unstable types with their own invented religion just like their ISIS counterparts.

Well, well. Who had approved that Finnish Muslim convert who was killed in the fights of Aleppo? Who had approved the Russian Muslims fighting in Syria? Or those from Libya etc. Let us not forget, that those numerous foreign Muslims on their violent fantasy adventure are well paid, armed and trained. The foreign religious Muslim mercenaries are not a rumour. They are a well organized and expensive reality.

It would be naive to believe, that there would not be “private” interests on the Christian side to intervene (not in the form USA and others governments want). A couple more attacks by Muslim extremists against Christians and those foreign Christian religious militias could be a existing reality. Religious extremism is not a monopoly for Muslims. Christians have been at least as “successful” on that questionable field (using religion in wars and conflicts).

September 6th, 2013, 5:04 pm

 
 
 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, we have been made privy by our well informed and highly reliable sources of this most important of all heads up which we now release to the genetal public.

We have been informed that Criminal Pervert, A.K.A Ass-Head, is now confined to living in one of three farms all located in Yaafour (?????). It is further revealed that C.P. (criminal pervert for short from now on) never leaves the Yaafour farms for any reason whatsoever. This could be out of fear due to circumstance, or it could be due to an inherent trait of preference to living close to like-natured animal species such as dogs, donkeys, rats and the like.

Nevertheless, a plan has been put in place to transport C.P. by a Gazelle helicopter to a naval base in Tartous if and when the skies start falling. However, the flying distance between Yaafour and the Tartous naval base is 350 km over hostile terrain which may expose C.P.’s flying chopper to downing either by the Americans, or by the Syrian fighters who have recently acquired means to down such flying machines.

So, the plan is to fly over Lebanese airspace, evading detection by the Lebanese but not necessarily by the Americans. Hezbollah promised to provide the necessary logistics for the fateful flight which would put C.P. out of the Syrian theatre of operations in preparation for his eventual shipment to the Hague.

September 6th, 2013, 5:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Contrary to what Obama thinks that the world is looking at the USA to do something drastic, the world is telling him do something political, but no war
What if Congress votes no on Syria?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23997250

President Obama’s heading back to the US for a horrible week ahead. He spoke at at news conference in Russia like a man who felt agonised by his own choice.

He said: “I’m not itching for military action”. He added: “I’ve spent the last four-and-a-half years doing everything I can to reduce our reliance on military power as a means of meeting our international obligations and protecting the American people.”

To some, watching him wrestling with difficult issues will make him a more authentic proponent of a tough choice. But it may not be the best frame of mind for a man who has to sell a plan like his whole reputation rests on it.

“This is not convenient. This is not something that I think a lot of folks around the world find an appetising set of choices,” he said.

“But the question is, do these norms mean something? And if we’re not acting, what does that say?”

He added that the leader of a small country said he was glad nobody looked to his country to take action. But people did, the president said, have that expectation of America.

“It’s tough because people do look to the United States. And the question for the American people is, is that a responsibility that we’re willing to bear?

“And I believe that when you have a limited, proportional strike like this – not Iraq; not putting boots on the ground; not some long, drawn-out affair; not without any risks, but with manageable risks – that we should be willing to bear that responsibility.”

Intriguingly, he suggested he went to Congress because he knew he didn’t really have the authority under the law to take action, in this case, without it.

“I put it before Congress because I could not honestly claim that the threat posed by Assad’s use of chemical weapons on innocent civilians and women and children posed an imminent, direct threat to the United States,” he said.

But he refused to say what he would do if Congress voted “no”. That, he said, would be jumping the gun.

But all the indications from Congress are that the “no” votes are piling up. If there is one, that will present the president with his next agonising choice.
Mark Mardell, North America editor Article written by Mark Mardell Mark Mardell

September 6th, 2013, 5:24 pm

 

revenire said:

Saw this at http://www.iranmilitaryforum.net/military-conflicts/updates-on-military-action-in-syria/11850/ today and was amused: “Do not underestimate Canada. In addition to the gay pride squad, two mounties on their horses and a small fishing vessel recently transformed into a destroyer could head toward Syria. I know a couple of armchair warriors here who sworn that Saddam Assad will be teach a lesson soon an will leave the Kuwaitis alone.”

September 6th, 2013, 5:29 pm

 

revenire said:

Hamas: called Islamic world to stand against US attack on Syria.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=1&id=459883
http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13920612001315

10,000 Hezbollah fighter are in damasus to backup Syria government.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=1&id=459832

September 6th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Alan

Until the fall of Morsi, the Americans were convinced by Qatar and Turkey that, except for a few, the Islamits in Syria were “moderate” Moslem Brotherhood rebels sympathizers who will obey the emir of Qatar who is paying them their salary.
The plan was that the MB would take over Syria as it took over Egypt and Tunisia and Israel is in security for ever.

The shock of the Egyptian upheaval on the MB, supported by Saudi Arabia who could not accept Qatar’s leadership and even less the MB, left the USA in dismay. The fall of the Qatari architect of that scenario and his replacement by Bandar Bin Sultan was not a good omen.
Suddenly the USA realized that the Islamists were mostly Al Qaeda sympathizers, that the FSA was a hopeless skeleton and that Bashar al Assad was winning over militarily as well as the hearts and minds of Syrian. The USA has to save its face.
It did an improvised change by naively allowing the Saudi Arabia to take the matter in their hands.
Bandar Bin Sultan’s immediate plan was to bring the USA to attack Syria, since he could not count anymore on the FSA, still loyal to Qatar and weak.

The ‘chemical attack’ came just to rush the USA to war after assuring Obama that the UK, France and all Europe will follow. Stupidly Obama believed Israeli and Saudi Arabia intelligence.
Second shock for Obama: UK backs off and it appears that Europe is far from supporting war on Syria.
Obama panics and throws the decision to the Congress thinking that if the Israeli lobby and Arab money succeed in convincing the American people the whole world will follow.
It does not seem to happen.
Before he gets another shock, isn’t time for Obama to ask the Russian and Europe for help out of that quagmire his amateurism has put him in?

September 6th, 2013, 5:48 pm

 

don said:

Turkey finds Sarin gas in the hands of Syrian Rebels.

September 6th, 2013, 5:56 pm

 

don said:

Syria, Hama: FSA/al-Nusra Terrorists Sized with 2 Cylinders of Sarin Gas

September 6th, 2013, 6:00 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria vote: What happens if Obama loses?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2013/0906/Syria-vote-What-happens-if-Obama-loses

Current polls show the House opposing a strike on Syria. Obama is not saying whether he would order an attack anyway, but a loss could have long-lasting political effects at home and abroad.

“I can’t believe how badly he’s mishandled this issue,” said Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona to a local radio show.

But left-leaning pundit Greg Sargent makes another argument: in such a situation voters will see a president abiding by the will of the people. The liberal Democratic base, which largely opposes Syrian intervention, would rally to support Obama.

“Independents, who have tilted strongly against an attack, might be supportive, too,” writes Sargent.

And the Weekly Standard’s William Kristol, a conservative who supports retaliation against Syria for its chemical use, warns that GOP lawmakers who vote “no” on the use of force may be handing Obama a domestic political weapon.
..
“The only thing that can get Obama off the hook now is for Republicans to deny him authorization for the use of force against the Assad regime,” writes Kristol. “Then the GOP can be blamed for whatever goes wrong on Syria, and elsewhere in the Middle East, over the next months and years.”

September 6th, 2013, 6:02 pm

 

revenire said:

A VIPS MESSAGE FOR OBAMA, AMERICA AND THE WORLD
By Larry Johnson on September 6, 2013 at 4:46 PM in Current Affairs
The following was drafted today and is being posted at http://consortiumnews.com. Signatories, so far, include the following patriots who stand under the umbrella of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity:

Thomas Drake, Senior Executive, NSA (former)

Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

W. Patrick Lang, Senior Executive and Defense Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Todd Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General (ret.)

Coleen Rowley, Division Council & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

In February 2003 I failed to challenge aggressively the deceit pushed by the Bush Administration in persuading Americans to attack Iraq. I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt. I was wrong to do that and vowed never again. Obama and his team are following the same playbook and it is incumbent that they be stopped before American military personnel are put in harms way once again for no good reason.

September 6. 2013

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

Precedence: IMMEDIATE

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

We have been down this road before – with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powell’s Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he pedaled fraudulent “intelligence” to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled – or, at the least, very poorly advised.

The fraudulent nature of Powell’s speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to “widen the discussion beyond … the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.” [[[[[[[please embed this link.]]]]]]]

http://warisacrime.org/downloads/vipstwelve.pdf

We offer you the same advice today.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/76331/a-vips-message-for-obama-america-and-the-world/#more-76331

September 6th, 2013, 6:38 pm

 

revenire said:

Obama and Kerry Are Lying About Syria
By Larry Johnson on September 5, 2013 at 1:03 PM in Current Affairs
Barack Obama and John Kerry are lying about what has happened in Syria.

Yes, I have a record of doing this. Friends on the inside of the CIA warned me back in May of 2003 that the intel on Iraq was cooked and the American people were being fed a lie. Unfortunately, I learned this too late and was unable aggressively to make the case before we launched the invasion. Here’s what I said back then, and I was right:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UP-OnykKw6U

My friends in the CIA are still around and they are now warning me that both the United States and the United Kingdom know that Bashir Assad is not responsible for the incident on 21 August that killed and maimed Syrian civilians. While it is true that a chemical of some sort caused the fatalities and injuries, it was not the result of an attack by the Syrian Army using military quality chemical weapons from the Syrian arsenal. The CIA knows that this is the case yet, with John Brennan at the head of the Agency, is deliberately lying and misleading members of Congress, the media and the public.

As I noted in an earlier piece, this was a pre-planned effort by the rebels to create an incident that would bring the United States into the war.

It was prepared in collaboration with the Saudis and the Turks. The canisters containing the chemical agent were opened and people in the immediate vicinity were affected. Some died and some suffered physical injuries.

Important to note that no single Syrian military rocket capable of carrying a chemical agent has been recovered from the area. Not a single shred of physical evidence exists to support the claim that this was a result of a strike by a Syrian military unit with expertise in Chemical weapons. And, there still is no medical evidence backing up the specious claim by Kerry and Obama that this was sarin.

I personally call on President Putin and other leaders at the G-20 to hold Obama to account and to demand proof. Obama cannot supply it. He is lying. He is being aided in this deceit by David Cameron, the British Prime Minister. If the United States proceeds to carry out a military strike on Syria it will be committing the same kind of crime committed by Adolf Hitler in launching an unprovoked and unwarranted attack on Poland in 1939. The stakes are this high and the United States must be stopped from committing war crimes against the government and people of Syria.

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/76328/obama-and-kerry-are-lying-about-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 6:39 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
I stand for freedom and justice for dignity and equality, if a moslem ruler persecuted a majority christians, I will definitely call to help the majority, democracy is important

Revenir
You are not Syrian,get brain

September 6th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

So Apple Mini thinks Kerry will resign,for failing to get congress approval.
Apple would this ever happen in a democracy headed by Assad?

September 6th, 2013, 7:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Only 25 Congressmen for the war, 222 against and 188 undecided.

September 6th, 2013, 7:13 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

Excellent reporting Matt! Thank you! I still remember one of my visits to Ma’lula in which we visited the monastery. I hope to wake one day and hear that the Assad regime and the extreme elements in the opposition are gone.

September 6th, 2013, 7:21 pm

 

don said:

Hacked documents reveal Syria chemical attack was staged, sponsored by US

A hacker by the name of €Wagn3r claims to have hacked approximately 20 members of the Pentagon and some of their spouses. In their emails US Colonels utilize a high number of military acronyms which, when looked, up point to a conversation about intelligence budgets and how to fund operations. The correspondence indicates the US government was the most probable sponsor of the latest chemical attack in Syrian Ghouta.

Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_03/Hacked-documents-reveal-Syria-chemical-attack-was-staged-sponsored-by-US-8631/

September 6th, 2013, 7:37 pm

 

don said:

“It is difficult to resist a president’s call to war. Nothing comes close to stirring the same passions, especially because they come wrapped in patriotism” – Geraldo Rivera

Not This Time. Not in Syria.

You don’t think much about the Military-Industrial Complex lobbying or the other special interest groups, and you discredit as naïve the misguided anti-war protestors. You think about the troops. You think about their families and your own, and protecting the homeland from terror.

Now the new boogeyman, the Enemy of All Decency is in Syria. The video of those Syrian children dead or dying because of a poison gas attack is hard to watch without retching. I’m the father of five and it makes my skin crawl.

But equally hard to watch is that other video of the Syrian rebels murdering Assad’s soldiers. The rebels executed them in cold blood after having tied their hands behind their backs and torturing them.

These are the people we will be helping if we attack Assad’s forces as President Obama wants. Many of them are or want-to-be Al Qaeda-affiliated. They hate us. They hate freedom. They hate Israel and they hate Syria’s own Christian minority. Many of the so-called Syrian rebels aren’t even Syrian. They are from Libya and Chechnya and I don’t want them in control of this country at the heart of the Mid-East and on the border with Israel. There is no such thing as a limited, surgical strike. Once we pick a side, it is our war.

I’m not going for it again Mr. President. Not this time. Not in Syria.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2013/09/06/geraldo-rivera-not-this-time-not-in-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 7:38 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The pic of ” Hollande The Village Idiot” may not be fake after all :
(Reuters) – France will await conclusions by U.N. inspectors investigating last month’s chemical weapon attack in Syria before deciding on any action, President Francois Hollande said on Friday.

September 6th, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is the answer to those who claimed that Jewish Americans are against a war on Syria:
“US Jewish leaders petition Congress to authorise Syria strike
Change.org petition evokes memories of Holocaust and urges leaders to act to deter future atrocities in ‘Syria and elsewhere'”
(The Guardian)

September 6th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrians inside Syria urge Congress to back the strike.  Those against the strike want the butchery to continue for sectarian or corruption reasons.

Protesters in the northern Syrian town of Kafranbel have urged Congress to back air strikes against the Assad regime, in their latest Friday banner.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RamiAlLolah/status/375947241938112512/photo/1?screen_name=RamiAlLolah

September 6th, 2013, 8:15 pm

 

Tara said:

Ghufran,

The American Jews I know are not part of the AIPAC. They are againt the strike.

September 6th, 2013, 8:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

More Than 3-to-1 Against an Attack on Syria

Huge Momentum Building in U.S. House of Representatives Against Military Intervention in Syria

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) – Enormous momentum has built against U.S. military intervention in Syria. Four national news organizations that are currently tracking vote counts have reported that members of the U.S. House of Representatives are overwhelmingly against authorizing a war in Syria:

From ABC News: “After this week’s full court press by the Obama administration, the president does not yet have the votes to authorize the military strike on Syria.”
199 Members Against Military Intervention [63 ‘No’, 136 ‘Lean No’]
Only 45 Members For Military Intervention [20 ‘Yes’, 25 ‘Lean Yes’]
From the Washington Post: “Already, scores of members of both parties have expressed skepticism about the administration’s cause for intervening in that country’s civil war, despite intelligence reports that say the Syrian regime used chemical weapons on its own people.”
178 Members Against Military Intervention [86 ‘No’, 92 ‘Lean No’]
Only 19 Members For Military Intervention
From Fire Dog Lake: “House leadership tried to create the illusion of “momentum” yesterday…Nonetheless, the number of representatives coming out in opposition to the vote continue to dramatically outstrip those in favor.”
144 Members Against Military Intervention [48 ‘No’, 96‘Lean No’]
Only 58 Members For Military Intervention [28 ‘Yes’, 30 ‘Lean Yes’]
From The Hill: “The White House faces a tough task in convincing a majority in the House and Senate to approve authorization for a military strike against Syria.”
89 Members Against Military Intervention [‘No’ and ‘Lean No’ reported together]
Only 28 Members For Military Intervention [‘Yes’ and ‘Lean Yes’ reported together]
“A huge, bi-partisan majority has recognized that a unilateral attack on Syria is not our responsibility, it won’t accomplish anything, it’s expensive, and it’s dangerous,” said Rep. Alan Grayson, a leader of opponents against military intervention.
Congressman Alan Grayson represents Florida’s 9th Congressional District, which includes Osceola County, as well as parts of Orange and Polk counties. He previously served as the U.S. Representative for Florida’s 8th Congressional District in the 111th Congress.

September 6th, 2013, 8:22 pm

 

Tara said:

Is Samia Elias not one of Matt’s contact? 

Syrian opposition forces have withdrawn from Maaloula, the ancient Christian village they first entered on Wednesday, the BBC reports based on a Syrian National Coalition account:

“For months the rebels have been around Maaloula but there has been a sort of an understanding with the residents that they would not enter,” Samia Elias, a resident who stayed in Maaloula during the fighting, told the Reuters news agency.

“To be fair, they do not seem to have touched churches or homes.” […]

Overnight, the National Coalition issued a statement confirming that FSA units had withdrawn after destroying army posts at Maaloula.

The opposition alliance also stressed its “commitment to protect all Syrians, no matter what their religion, race, confession or political belief, and its constant concern to preserve Syria’s human and religious heritage by every means possible”.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/06/syria-crisis-splits-g20-live#block-522a1304e4b0b4804819a33d

September 6th, 2013, 8:23 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Holland said he will wait till he sees the result of UN inspectors
Obama will wait till the congress approves
It is two weeks since Assad killed 1400 Syrian, it looks we are going to wait at least one more week,may be two, so the strike is going to be the week after 9/17/13

September 6th, 2013, 8:27 pm

 

don said:

Al-Qaeda Vows to Slaughter Christians After U.S. “Liberates” Syria

While U.S. leaders continue pushing for war against the Syrian government, today “Al-Qaeda-linked rebels,” reports AP, “launched an assault on a regime-held Christian mountain village in the densely populated west of Syria and new clashes erupted near the capital, Damascus, on Wednesday… In the attack on the village of Maaloula, rebels commandeered a mountaintop hotel and nearby caves and shelled the community below, said a nun, speaking by phone from a convent in the village. She spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.”

Arabic news agency Al Hadath gives more information concerning this latest terror attack on Syria’s Christians, specifically how the al-Qaeda linked rebels “terrorized the Christians, threatening to be avenged on them after the triumph of the revolution.”

Thus al-Qaeda terrorists eagerly await U.S. assistance against the Syrian government, so they can subjugate if not slaughter Syria’s Christians, secularists, and non-Muslims

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/al-qaeda-promises-to-slaughter-christians-after-u-s-liberates-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 8:29 pm

 

revenire said:

I have photos of the damage Nusra did to at least one church in Ma’loula.

Why do you lie about it Tara?

September 6th, 2013, 8:45 pm

 

Tara said:

Is the US going to place Arab shiaa under close surveillance?  The Iranian Quds Force is ordering Iraqi shiaa in Iraq to target Americans. 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/iran-plots-revenge-u-says-004600132.html;_ylt=A2KLOzKgVSpSpRQAVxtDDex_

Iran Plots Revenge, U.S. Says
By Julian E. Barnes | The Wall Street Journal –

WASHINGTON—The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria, officials said, amid an expanding array of reprisal threats across the region.
Military officials have been trying to predict the range of possible responses from Syria, Iran and their allies. U.S. officials said they are on alert for Iran’s fleet of small, fast boats in the Persian Gulf, where American warships are positioned. U.S. officials also fear Hezbollah could attack the U.S. Embassy in Beirut.

While the U.S. has moved military resources in the region for a possible strike, it has other assets in the area that would be ready to respond to any reprisals by Syria, Iran or its allies.
Those deployments include a strike group of the USS Nimitz aircraft carrier and three destroyers in the Red Sea, and an amphibious ship, the USS San Antonio, in the Eastern Mediterranean, which would help with any evacuations.
The U.S. military has also readied Marines and other assets to aid evacuation of diplomatic compounds if needed, and the State Department began making preparations last week for potential retaliation against U.S. embassies and other interests in the Middle East and North Africa.

The Iranian message, intercepted in recent days, came from Qasem Soleimani, the head of Revolutionary Guards’ Qods Force, and went to Iranian-supported Shiite militia groups in Iraq, according to U.S. officials.

In it, Mr. Soleimani said Shiite groups must be prepared to respond with force after a U.S. strike on Syria. Iranian officials didn’t respond to requests for comment.

U.S. officials said the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad was one likely target. The officials didn’t describe the range of potential targets indicated by the intelligence.

Militants also have used suicide bombers and IEDs to attack Americans leaving the embassy compound, one of the largest American diplomatic facilities in the world, located in Baghdad’s fortified Green Zone.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324144304578624104001847008.html

September 6th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 
 

Tara said:

Once again: From the Guardian

““For months the rebels have been around Maaloula but there has been a sort of an understanding with the residents that they would not enter,” Samia Elias, a resident who stayed in Maaloula during the fighting, told the Reuters news agency.

“To be fair, they do not seem to have touched churches or homes.””

September 6th, 2013, 9:02 pm

 

Syrian said:

Donana just like rev the dont read Arabic
This is from the comment section

Waheed Shama
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Like · 5 hours ago

That picture is from Homs that is being bombed relentlessly by chemical Assad

September 6th, 2013, 9:06 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Thank you. So the loyalists are using a picture from a church in Homs bombarded by the regime and post it as a picture of a destroyed church in Maalola.

These people nauseate me. They are beyond disgusting. They are buying and selling the blood of the Christ to advance their cause. This is a real filth. You people have no shame!

September 6th, 2013, 9:15 pm

 

Tara said:

The rebels are mostly moderate indeed.  As Mr. Kerry put it, I doubt that extremists constitute more than 10%.  A percentage we can easily deal with and neutralize in new Syria.  Can Aron Lund take a note?   

In a recently published report, ‘Syria’s military opposition: How effective, united or extremist?” the Washington Institute for Near East Policy paints, in broad terms, a vague picture of the “nature of rebel forces”:

The kaleidoscopic nature of the rebel forces makes generalizing about their quality and capabilities very difficult and puts a premium on detailed information about specific units … Some appear disciplined, well-armed, responsive to their commanders, and tactically competent. Others appear much less so, especially in terms of armament and tactical skill. The rebels come from all strata of Syrian society: wealthy and poor, urban and rural, secular and religious, tribal and urbanized, educated and uneducated, former military and civilian. Many units are local in origin, raised by local people for the defense of a town or village. Some are centered on defectors. Many are religious, though not necessarily radically religious, in orientation. While some Kurdish elements fight alongside them in Aleppo and some Kurds and, perhaps Christians, are in rebel formations, the rebels are overwhelmingly a Sunni Arab army. Rebel units are distributed across a broad ideological spectrum, with secular units at one pole and Salafi jihadists at the other, and most falling between the two. Over time the units have tended to become more Islamic, certainly in religious language, visual symbols, prayer, and general orientation. A major differentiation among Islamic units is between those that are Islamic with a national or Syrian agenda and those with a global jihadist mission.

Above summary from the Guardian 

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/PolicyFocus128WhiteTablerZelin.pdf

September 6th, 2013, 9:18 pm

 

Syrian said:

In the main time another MIG has been eliminated in Edlib and the dead pilot was one of the most hardens criminals in his service to chemical Assad and his father Said Mahfod
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http://youtu.be/JMZyT6ii54E

September 6th, 2013, 9:20 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Hundreds of western peace activists, including from Britain and from the US, have volunteered to become “human shields” in government-held parts of Syria, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

September 6th, 2013, 9:27 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara
When did they ever post anything but filth?both DonAna and Rev from long time ago. They used to take FSA You Tube videos of the regime atrocities and change the titles and put their name on it as an atrocities of the FSA

September 6th, 2013, 9:33 pm

 

revenire said:

My friends in Damascus tell me that human shields from Western countries are arriving this weekend.

September 6th, 2013, 9:39 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is a small sample of how rebels treated Christians. That does not include father Paolo and the two kidnapped bishops:
(American Orthodox Institute)
Ancient Christian monasteries are being regularly plundered in Syria by anti-government forces. In May of this year, rebels attacked the 1500-year-old monastery of the Prophet Elijah near the city of Al-Qusayr. They stole the sacramental vessels, destroyed the altar and the baptismal font, blew up the bell tower, and knocked down the sacred statue of Elijah.
On June 23, a Syrian Catholic priest was murdered in a monastery in Gassanieh, Idlib. François Murad, 49, was a member of the Franciscans and lived a life of prayer at the monastery. Gunmen entered the monastery, plundered it, burned the building and executed Murad. Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the head of all Franciscans in the Holy Land, told the Vatican News Agency that “The world must know that the support of gunmen by the west is helping extremists in killing Syrians.”
On 27 May this year, the ‘Free Syrian Army’ raided the Christian-populated village of al-Duvair in Syria’s Western province of Homs. Arriving in the village they proceeded to massacre all its civilian residents, including women and children. The army of the Syrian government intervened to protect the Christians, but only after most of the population had been slaughtered.
On 11 June, a massacre was reported in the town of Hatlah, close to Deir el-Zour city. An organisation of armed militants converged on the town to ‘cleanse’ it. At least 60 people were slaughtered.
In other Christian villages, rebels have suddenly appeared and declared, “Flee or be killed.” With nowhere to go and little hope of finding employment, thousands of Christian families face little prospect of a hopeful future. Many have fled to refugee camps, though conditions there are little better since they make “soft targets” for criminals and Islamic thugs.

September 6th, 2013, 9:40 pm

 

Syrian said:

This a sample chemical Assad work
A film about Ghouta Massacre using chemical weapons. More than 1600 civilians died including about 400 children.
http://youtu.be/V8yheuQekMI

September 6th, 2013, 9:48 pm

 

Tara said:

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Enough for me today. I received my fair share of tashbeeh.

September 6th, 2013, 9:49 pm

 

don said:

BROOKINGS INSTITUTION and SABIN CENTER = NEO CONS = Guess Who?

Obama employing think-tank plan to oust Assad?

Critics warn of war doctrine that threatens national sovereignty

Produced by the think tank’s Sabin Center in March 2012, “Middle East Memo #21,” titled “Saving Syria: Assessing Options for Regime Change,” proposed the United States should implement a policy aimed at destabilizing Syria with the explicitly stated goal of ousting the Assad regime.

http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/papers/2012/3/15%20syria%20saban/0315_syria_saban.pdf

The authors’ underlying justification for removing the Assad regime was that it was engaging in acts of violence against civilians that violated international standards of human rights.

The memo, however, made clear that the real gain to be achieved in toppling Assad was not the humanitarian protection of the Syrian population but the removal from the Middle East of “Iran’s oldest and most important ally in the Arab world.”

The critics see the plan as a pretext designed to cover the real goal of destabilizing Syria to depose the Assad regime. The plan would provide weapons to rebel groups, combined with U.S. air attacks and the possibility of a U.S.-backed, internationally configured military invasion with ground troops.

The memo cautioned, however, that actually ousting Assad “will not be easy.”

Even after acknowledging the Free Syrian Army, or FSA, “is more a brand than a meaningful, united force,” the Brookings Institution memo proceeded on the premise the FSA is the rebel force the Obama administration should champion.

The memo proposed six strategies the U.S. “should consider to achieve Asad’s overthrow”:

1. Removing the Assad regime via diplomacy;

2. Coercing the regime via sanctions and diplomatic isolation;

3. Arming the Syrian opposition to overthrow the regime;

4. Engaging in a Libya-like air campaign to help an opposition army gain victory;

5. Invading Syria with U.S.-led forces and toppling the regime directly; and

6. Participating in a multilateral, NATO-led effort to oust Assad and rebuild Syria.

The four authors of the report include three from the Sabin Center for Middle East Policy, Daniel Byman, the director of research, along with Michael Doran and Kenneth M. Pollack, both senior fellows.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/obama-employing-think-tank-plan-to-oust-assad/

September 6th, 2013, 9:50 pm

 

SyrIan said:

His name is Ali, he is 4 years old. Unfortunately, he lost a leg due to the shelling of Assad regime.

Just imagine a 4 year old kid with an artificial limb trying to get accustomed to a new way of life, destroyed by Assad thugs.

This ugly war waged by a criminal against civilians necessitates an organised workshop to cater for the need of the wounded, or those who have lost a limb, especially children.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151676254338577&id=558523576&set=a.440596723576.200433.558523576&source=46&__user=100003131418721

September 6th, 2013, 10:00 pm

 

revenire said:

‘Syrian’ no one except the liars and collaborators on your side cares about your fake stories of children.

===

There is no room for any kind of bargaining, and there is no room for any discussion or debate. There is no room to listen to any collaborator touting the list of causes of war and the causers, and there is no room for those who cling to their opinions, positions, or labels, wearing bandanas on their foreheads after wearing blindfolds on their eyes, and joining forces with collaborators and takfiris.

To begin with, these people live on the crumbs thrown to them by the robbers of Arab resources and fortunes. They work for them and receive from them money and all kinds of support.

It is a duty for every capable person to fight these killers, wherever they may be, wherever there is a chance to take revenge against them, and punish all the traitors, one after the other, in their beds, behind their desks, inside their tanks, or in their palaces, whether they are alone, or among their families.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/resistance-our-destiny

September 6th, 2013, 10:03 pm

 
 

revenire said:

He’ll not have to worry about gas when the army finds him.

He’ll be shot.

September 6th, 2013, 10:19 pm

 

don said:

The fact that President Barack Obama has canceled his appearance at the AFL-CIO convention is no reason to ignore the challenge this new war poses

Open letter to the AFL-CIO leaders — Oppose war on Syria

Sept. 6 — At this critical moment, the number one priority for organized labor must be to publicly, unequivocally, and loudly oppose the president’s plans to attack Syria.

Understandably, the question of another war, this one against Syria, was likely not on the agenda of the AFL-CIO convention beginning this weekend in Los Angeles. Recent events, however, have changed everything and there’s no point in pretending that the situation is the same as before.

If the plans to attack Syria are denounced from the podium of the labor convention, this would mean that organized labor has risen to the challenge of becoming the militant, thoroughly progressive, independent movement of working people in the United States. Not to do it would reduce the leadership of the AFL-CIO to providing cover for the president’s war plans.

The fact that President Barack Obama has cancelled his appearance at the convention is no reason to ignore the challenge this new war poses.

The most important lesson from the last twelve years of war against Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya — and other countries where people have been bombed by U.S. drones — is not just that George W. Bush was an evil liar and a war criminal. Of course Bush was that and more. It is a humiliating miscarriage of justice that Bush, Rumsfeld and all of the other architects of endless war are not in jail or on trial for premeditated mass murder.

The most important lesson from the recent past, however, is that when U.S. presidents order the Pentagon to unleash its awesome killing machine, this is not done for humanitarian reasons. Another lesson is that the sole purpose of the demonization of Saddam Hussein or Bashar al-Assad is to herd the reluctant U.S. population into supporting a criminal war.

The real objectives of the Pentagon’s wars are always to secure the empire and terrorize all who would dare to challenge U.S. imperialism. It is for the strategic and economic gains of the U.S. super rich. And it is always the working people and all the poor who pay the most for the war and make the greatest sacrifices.

Again, this is the real goal of war plans against Syria.

President Obama, who was elected to end endless war, once again is betraying those who elected him.

At home and across the world, virtually everyone is against war on Syria.

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/09/06/open-letter-afl-cio-leaders-oppose-war-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 10:20 pm

 

Syrian said:

Yeah Rev. Really funny
A guy from Chicago putting a Lebanese news paper editorial about Syria. Threatening and barking.
Go get a life.

September 6th, 2013, 10:24 pm

 

don said:

Women speak out against U.S. intervention in Syria

The U.S. Senate’s recent approval of a punitive missile strike on Syria constitutes a direct act of aggression masquerading as humanitarian action. Despite widespread opposition from the international community and lack of authorization from the United Nations, the U.S. remains hell-bent on attacking Syria, even as reports show that Syrian rebels funded by the Saudi government — a close U.S. ally — were the ones responsible for the March 19 simultaneous chemical assaults in Aleppo and Ataybah, which left approximately 26 people including 16 Syrian soldiers dead, with 86 more seriously injured.

Indeed, the Obama administration’s obstinacy in waging war on Syria is reminiscent of Iraq, where the supposed existence of weapons of mass destruction was used to justify gross violations of national sovereignty and the people’s right to self-determination. Contrary to their claims of protecting civilians and upholding democracy, history has unveiled the devastating consequences of U.S. military aggression, including rampant human rights violations such as rape, torture, detention and murder of innocent civilians.

As thousands of Syrians continue to flee the capital in fear of foreign military airstrikes, the real motive of the U.S. becomes clearer — to advance its own geopolitical and economic agenda in the region, particularly to gain control of the country’s massive oil reserves. Syria has one of the biggest conventional reserves of crude oil in the eastern Mediterranean, and exploration opportunities have largely been limited to Russia, making it especially vital to U.S. interests.

U.S., keep your hands off Syria!

Women, girls and children remain as the most vulnerable sectors in times of conflict and this most recent act of aggression by the U.S. will undoubtedly cause untold suffering for thousands of Syrian women, girls and children who will be displaced, harassed, violated, deprived of basic necessities, injured or even killed as they are caught in the crossfire.

http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/09/06/women-speak-u-s-intervention-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 10:32 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

The rootless entity presently known as “Don” seems to think this photo on Facebook represents a Maloula church damaged by rebel bandits. It is not. The same picture has been appearing in Kremlin-run media since at least May of this year.

I know that the war party will swallow anything and invent anything that supports exaggerated charges against the darker-complected Other, but I advise using image-comparison software to test claims using images. I recommend the tools at TinEye.com to find the first appearance of this image: http://www.tineye.com/search/ceade0f7de160a1960d527f3fe78c65251d287aa/?sort=crawl_date&order=asc**

It is instructive how many here have become ardent experts in American politics, electoral psychology and law. Some are inside Obama’s mind as well as the future. Yet they fail to assemble a coherent narrative, again. By loading on the unnecessary BS, they undercut their larger project. If the war party is winning, if the demi-god Assad is going to be on the throne till doomsday, if the rats and heart-eating nusra monsters will all be vanquished, what’s with the pot beating and hysteria? What’s with the war-lust? Assad seems relatively stable and confident, at least in his TV appearances. Why not the regimists here? There is nothing to fear.

It is not so amazing how many crank websites and war-gossip blogs are currently cited by the hooded ones. In an attempt to support the claims about false-flag Alawi-kid kidnap chemotherapy performed by the rebel side, anything goes except credible analysis.

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** regarding the Facebook photo illustrating a presumed destruction of churches in Maloula, did Assadforever acolytes not ask themselves why over two millennia the christians of Maloula had not moved beyond plain plastered breezeblocks and lawn chairs and paint by numbers Virgin portrait? For all that they would have us believe they are sons of Syria, how could they be so easily gulled by this photo?

September 6th, 2013, 10:38 pm

 

revenire said:

Fake Syrian you have no idea where I am or who I am.

You can dismiss the Lebanese editorial. I don’t care.

I believe the Resistance will carry out their promises.

September 6th, 2013, 10:48 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This is getting more interesting by the minute:

BEIRUT — Rebel Islamist groups are expressing opposition to U.S. strikes against the Syrian regime, putting them at odds with the leadership of the mainstream Free Syrian Army and underscoring the deep rifts within Syria’s opposition that threaten to complicate future efforts to end to the war.
The leading hard-line Islamist group in northern Syria issued a statement on its Facebook page cautioning its followers against supporting U.S. intervention, saying it would only serve American interests and not the cause of those seeking to topple President Bashar al-Assad.
The Syrian Islamic Front, which is dominated by the Salafist Ahrar al-Sham group, stopped short of directly opposing American intervention in Syria’s 21 / 2-year-old conflict, which many in the opposition hope would accelerate the fall of Assad’s regime. But, the group warned on its Facebook page, the true goal of U.S. attacks would be to “advance the interests of the perpetrators.”
Another gathering of smaller Islamist groups issued a video condemning outright the threatened strikes, which the Obama administration has said are needed to deter further use of chemical weapons after hundreds of people were killed in the suburbs of Damascus in a poison gas attack widely blamed on government forces.
“We reject Western military intervention in Syria and consider it a new aggression against Muslims,” said a group of fighters who identified themselves as representatives of eight “jihadi brigades,” according to a video posted on YouTube.

September 6th, 2013, 10:57 pm

 

Observer said:

how racist indeed to tout the democratic travails in the West and denying it to common Syrians back home.

how racist indeed for outrage to come forward when it involves minorities and callous disregard when it involves the common Syrian back home.

how about the news that HA and Iran and Syria have established a joint command structure and that Iran is prepared to use its strategic missile forces and that Syria is aiming to target Turkey Jordan and Israel and that intercepted communications show the Iranians ordering attacks on US installations in Iraq.

I am rooting for a response by the axis of resistance and I rooting for a big regional war and I am rooting for missiles to rain on Israeli cities and Turkish airbases and Cypriot airbases and for Putin to join in and send his Sptenatz to boot.

I pray and hope that they finally put their money where their mouth is. I also hope the Congress votes down intervention for this will mean arming the rebels and allowing weapons to reach them and they can finish the job.

Please though for those cheering democracy in action in the West why don’t we ask the Iranian people whether they are for intervention in Syria? Or ask the Lebanese whether HA should be able to send fighters to Syria? How about asking the Syrian people what type of government they want?

News are that the Maliki proposal to get the stooge leave is a non starter.

I hope and pray that the regime responds against Israel if attacked.

Break the stupid place up. Read this post, all of sudden there is a whole post about Maloola and not a single post about many areas devastated by the regime.

I see the ME explode and implode and continue to be ruled by none other than barbaric regimes from Sissi to Abdullah to iPad Ray Ban to Saddam to Maliki and to the Algerian junta and the families with flags in the UAE and Qatar and the stooge in Oman and the Sudanese buffoon.

September 6th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

revenire said:

Is the circus in town?

September 6th, 2013, 11:13 pm

 

don said:

Pope Francis takes on Obama

Head of Syrian Catholics says U.S. strike would be ‘criminal’

NEW YORK – Pope Francis and the head of the Catholic Church in Syria have decided to take on President Obama, with both issuing direct appeals for the United States not to launch a military strike on Syria.

To thousands of the faithful assembled below, he said: “My heart is deeply wounded by what is happening in Syria and anguished by the dramatic developments” on the horizon, an apparent reference to the reports that the U.S. and France were considering a military strike to punish the Syrian regime for a chemical weapons attack.

Francis was joined by Gregory III, the head of the Greek Catholic Church, who said the U.S. launching a military strike on Syria would constitute “a criminal act” that would “reap more victims” as Islamic jihadists continue to flow into Syria.

Gregory III, the patriarch of Antioch, who oversees the Melkite Greek Catholic Church in Syria and Lebanon, said:

We must listen to the pope’s appeal for peace in Syria. If Western countries want to create true democracy then they must build it on reconciliation, through dialogue between Christians and Muslims, not with weapons. This attack being planned by the United States is a criminal act, which will only reap more victims, in addition to the tens of thousands of these two years of war. This will destroy the Arab world’s trust in the West.

What or who have led Syria to this thin red line, this point of no return? Who created this hell in which our people have been living for months? Every day, Islamic extremists from all over the world are pouring into Syria with the sole intent to kill and not one country has done anything to stop them; even the U.S. has decided to send in more weapons. We renew our rejection of any foreign military intervention in the Syrian crisis.

Following Francis’ lead, Cardinal Dolan of New York and leaders of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, or USCCB, wrote to every member of Congress on Thursday, urging them to vote against military intervention in Syria, Time magazine reported.

The Catholic bishops stressed their longstanding position that the Syrian people need a political solution.

“We ask the United States to work urgently and tirelessly with other governments to obtain a cease-fire, initiate serious negotiations, provide impartial humanitarian assistance, and encourage efforts to build an inclusive society in Syria that protects the rights of all its citizens, including Christians and other minorities,” the bishops wrote.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/pope-francis-takes-on-obama/

September 6th, 2013, 11:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

A friend asked me to repost this:

There is proof the footage of the alleged chemical attack in Syria was fabricated, Mother Agnes Mariam el-Salib, mother superior of St. James Monastery in Qara, Syria, told RT. She says she is about to submit her findings to the UN.
Mother Agnes, a catholic nun, who has been living in Syria for 20 years and has been reporting actively on what has been going on in the war-ravaged country, says she carefully studied the video featuring allegedly victims of the chemical weapons attack in the Syrian village of Guta in August and now questions its authenticity. 
In her interview with RT, Mother Agnes doubts so much footage could have been taken in so little time, and asks where parents of the supposedly dead children are. She promises to send her report to the UN. 
The nun is indignant with the world media for apparently turning a blind eye to the Latakia massacre by rebel extremists, which left 500 civilians including women and children dead.
( I hope the report that Obama called Putin a ” jackass” at a joint press conference is just bad humor and not true)

September 6th, 2013, 11:34 pm

 

don said:

World Leaders refuse to back Obama on Syria

US president faces uphill battle to secure congressional approval for intervention

Russian president Vladimir Putin, Mr Obama’s host at the St Petersburg summit, said that a majority of political leaders opposed military strikes against Syria without the approval of the United Nations.

French president François Hollande, who has strongly supported joining the US in military strikes against Assad, put further pressure on Mr Obama, stepping back from immediate action.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/leaders-refuse-to-back-obama-on-syria-1.1519031

September 6th, 2013, 11:37 pm

 
 

Syrian said:

A friend asked me to say this
Now we are supposed to believe a known lier over doctors without borders?

September 6th, 2013, 11:52 pm

 

don said:

99% of Calls to Congress Are AGAINST War in Syria

On the heels of Reuters poll showing only 9% support military action.

Millions of Americans are completely overloading the phone lines of Congress in a historical, unprecedented response to shut down the Obama war machine.

This comes in the wake of the recent Reuters poll that found only 9% of respondents back Obama in his quest for a military strike on Syria.

Here’s a sample run-down of statements made by House and Senate members showcasing the almost unanimous opposition from their constituents for a war in Syria:

http://www.infowars.com/99-of-calls-to-congress-against-war-in-syria/

September 6th, 2013, 11:52 pm

 

don said:

Austin Texas Protest Syrian War Lies

September 6th, 2013, 11:58 pm

 

Syrian said:

The leaders of the Syrian Christian churches are not doing their communities any favors by standing with the regime and spreading lies about the FSA fighters,
Now if Obama donot go through with the strike, a lot of the moderate fighters will lose hope of any help from the west and they will join radical groups,they will hold them accountable later they will not hold their fire at Christians neighborhood any more nor will they leave Ma’oloula intact the next time they go through town,
All false reporting so far about attacks and destructions will become a self fulfilling prophecy.

September 7th, 2013, 12:16 am

 

don said:

Syria War Opposition Goes Viral: Americans Expose Graham’s “S.C. Nuke Threat” As War Mongering

In yet another example of the emerging power of alternative media, Americans are openly rejecting Sen. Lindsey Graham’s “us vs. them” rhetoric that if the U.S. doesn’t attack Syria, terrorists could nuke South Carolina.

In an article by CBS Charlotte, Graham said that if the U.S. doesn’t proceed with military action against the Russian-backed Assad regime, Iran will not take “America’s resolve” to stop their nuclear weapons program seriously.

As a result, Graham said, terrorists could easily detonate a nuclear device in Charleston Harbor.

http://www.infowars.com/syria-backlash-to-sen-grahams-nuke-threat-spreads-as-opposition-to-war-goes-viral/

September 7th, 2013, 12:19 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know and not get confused by known fabricators and cheap propagandists, our most knowledgeable and highly reliable sources decided to release this very important heads up and put you in the picture of what really went on in St. Petersburg.

Yes, Mr. Obama called Putin a jackass straight to the face and also jabbed a finger towards him, while Putin was stone-faced all the time during the ten minute dressing down he received from Mr. Obama.

“Everyone here thinks you are a jackass”. Obama said to Putin while the press corps was listening and recording every word and taking pictures.

“Look, I’m not just talking about Snowden and Syria,” Mr. Obama said. “What about Pussy Riot? What about your anti-gay laws? Total jackass moves, my friend.”

“If you think I’m the only one who feels this way, you’re kidding yourself,” Mr. Obama said, jabbing his finger in the direction of the Russian President’s face. “Ask Angela Merkel. Ask David Cameron. Ask the Turkish guy. Every last one of them thinks you’re a dick.”

Mr. Putin would only admit that he is a real bear afterwards. He released a terse official statement, reading, “I should be afraid of this skinny man? I wrestle bears.”

May be everyone should go home. All the G20 members agreed on the last statement, as an official closing statement, just one day after the meeting.

Looks like no one enjoyed Russian hospitality!

September 7th, 2013, 12:27 am

 

don said:

Rodney Alexander opposes action against Syria

One of 5th District U.S. Rep. Rodney Alexander’s final votes in Congress will be against using U.S. military force against Syria, he told The News-Star.

“I hate what’s going on over there and what’s happening to the Syrian people, but I’m not convinced it’s a national threat to us,” Alexander said. “We’ve found ourselves in trouble in the past when we’ve become involved in other countries’ conflicts.

“I think we need to be very cautious before we begin meddling in other people’s business.”

http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20130906/NEWS01/309050055

September 7th, 2013, 12:29 am

 

revenire said:

No Syrian Christians will stand with Nusra. That is insane.

Are you thinking okay “Syrian”? You sound nuts to me.

September 7th, 2013, 12:30 am

 

revenire said:

Heads-Up >

G20 ENDS ABRUPTLY AS OBAMA CALLS PUTIN A JACKASS
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/09/g20-ends-abruptly-as-obama-calls-putin-a-jackass.html

In the real world the SAA bagged 467 terrorists today. No prisoners were taken. The SAA is saving space in Syrian prisons for special guests once the war starts.

September 7th, 2013, 12:35 am

 

don said:

The Era of Disbelief

This is a particularly bad time to sell the American people a war, and make no mistake: we are being sold, and this “military action,” in another time and place — and in some quarters, here and now — would be called an act of war.

Americans are not only weary of war, they’re weary of the politicians who commit us to it.

According to Gallup, only 10 percent of Americans now have a “great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress, a record low since Gallup started tracking the measure in 1973.

Only 36 percent have the same level of confidence in the presidency.

Furthermore, the degree to which Americans trust the government in Washington to do the right thing at least most of the time has tanked since peaking in the jingoistic, post-9/11, post-traumatic-stress era.

People are questioning everything — as they should. Are we absolutely sure of the evidence? Are there no options other than military options? Can we be guaranteed that we won’t face retaliation and that we won’t be drawn into a protracted engagement? Will bombing ease the refugee crisis or exacerbate it? Is this really about sending a message to Syria about its use of chemical weapons, or is Syria just a proxy, a small state on which we can make a big statement, a way for us to send a signal to others that our word is absolute? Is this an act of humanitarianism or militarism?

And what do we hope to accomplish? The president has said that he’s not interested in regime change with this action, and many fear that deposing Syria’s president, Bashar al-Assad, at this moment could cause more problems than it would solve. We are wary of terrorist elements within the opposition who would love to get their hands on Syria’s weapons. In this community of thought, the Syrian civil war is a war among demons with few angels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/opinion/blow-the-era-of-disbelief.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

September 7th, 2013, 12:47 am

 

Syrian said:

Rev.
Same as chemical Bashar did at the start. When it was only popular demonstrations. He said if it they want war I welcome it, that was a self fulfilling prophecy that came to pass.
Now all the lies about the destructions and attacks, like the fake photo donAnn posted among many other lies.Will also might very well come to pass

September 7th, 2013, 12:54 am

 

Ghufran said:

Dear Christians ,
You have nothing to fear, what you read below is fabrications.
Sincerely,
Islamist thugs

DALGA, Egypt –  The Coptic Orthodox priest would only talk to his visitor after hiding from the watchful eyes of the bearded Muslim outside, who sported a pistol bulging from under his robe.
So Father Yoannis moved behind a wall in the charred skeleton of an ancient monastery to describe how it was torched by Islamists and then looted when they took over this southern Egyptian town following the ouster of the country’s president.
“The fire in the monastery burned intermittently for three days. The looting continued for a week. At the end, not a wire or an electric switch is left,” Yoannis told The Associated Press. The monastery’s 1,600-year-old underground chapel was stripped of ancient icons and the ground was dug up on the belief that a treasure was buried there.
“Even the remains of ancient and revered saints were disturbed and thrown around,” he said.
A town of some 120,000 — including 20,000 Christians — Dalga has been outside government control since hard-line supporters of the Islamist Mohammed Morsi drove out police and occupied their station on July 3, the day Egypt’s military chief removed the president in a popularly supported coup. It was part of a wave of attacks in the southern Minya province that targeted Christians, their homes and businesses.
Since then, the radicals have imposed their grip on Dalga, twice driving off attempts by the army to send in armored personnel carriers by showering them with gunfire.

September 7th, 2013, 12:57 am

 

don said:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz plans to vote ‘no’ on Syria attacks

SALT LAKE CITY — Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, warned Friday that the United States launching missile strikes against Syria means going to war against the Middle Eastern country.

“That’s what it is. Don’t think that we’re just going to lob some Tomahawk missiles in there and call it a day and say, ‘Hey, we did our part.’ I don’t think it ends with that,” the congressman said.

“At this point, my constituents don’t want to see us go to war in Syria, and neither do I,” the 3rd District representative said. Of the 1,000 telephone calls and emails his office has received about Syria, only three were in favor of the strikes, Chaffetz said.

Chaffetz said he will listen to the case the president makes and continue to review intelligence reports on the situation, but he doesn’t expect to see “a clear and present danger” to the United States.

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=960&sid=26754546&fm=most_popular

September 7th, 2013, 1:00 am

 
 

Syrian said:

Egypt comment room is at the end of the hall next to the clogged bathroom.

September 7th, 2013, 1:09 am

 

Syrian said:

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September 7th, 2013, 1:28 am

 

don said:

BREAKING NEWS

Syria resolution likely to fail, Lindsey Graham says

GREENVILLE, S.C. — South Carolina’s senior senator continued to argue for U.S. military intervention in Syria in a speech to 300 Chamber of Commerce members here while acknowledging his position is unpopular with voters.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., also said Congress is not likely to authorize a strike, predicting a close vote in the Senate where the resolution is likely to come up next week and a larger margin in the House where the timing is less certain.

Graham, whose three opponents in next year’s Republican primary are all on record against U.S. action, said he understands Americans are war weary and reluctant to battle again in the Middle East.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/06/syria-south-carolina-lunch/2777445/

September 7th, 2013, 1:31 am

 

sf94123 said:

Obama will not use force against Syria without Congress’ support: adviser-
“The president of course has the authority to act, but it’s neither his desire nor his intention to use that authority absent Congress backing him,” deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken told National Public Radio.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/06/us-syria-crisis-usa-obama-idUSBRE9850N420130906

September 7th, 2013, 2:23 am

 
 

Juergen said:

History repeats itself

Syria: western activists volunteer to become ‘human shields’
Hundreds of western peace activists, including from Britain and from the US, have volunteered to become “human shields” in government-held parts of Syria, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10292367/Syria-western-activists-volunteer-to-become-human-shields.html

September 7th, 2013, 3:19 am

 
 

Badr said:

“A friend asked me to repost this”

Translation: I hate to admit I believe this myself.

September 7th, 2013, 3:45 am

 

apple_mini said:

Let us review what the opposition have said about growing number and influence of the radical Islamists.

They always accuse the regime being the cause. Even gave us the conspiracy that the regime hired those extremists.

Reluctance of the west to provide direct military supports and intervention are also used to attribute to the aggravated extremism problem.

Then Kerry said during senator hearing the rebels are getting more moderate now. It is time to help them more.

Now we have a speaker for the rebels here threatening that the rebels will be feeling very devasted if US does not intervene and the rebels can only get more radical. We even get a veiled threat against Syrian Christians.

You gotta admire those shameless backward thugs.

Thanks to the latest NYtimes article about the brutality among the so-called moderate rebels. Millions of Americans watched the chilling and graphic video. This is golden time to expose the true face of the rebels since so many Americans are showing interest about Syria conflict and they want to know more what exactly those rebels are.

September 7th, 2013, 5:36 am

 
 
 
 
 

majedkhaldoun said:

SC is becoming a blog for lies, Ghufran decided to repost his lies several times,blatant lies by Revenir and Don and others,their lies exposed yet they continue to lie.
There has to be a punishment for lying, lying is evil,this blog will lose its credibility if lies are allowed to continue.
Mr. Barber admitted the comment section is embarrassment,yet nothing is done to stop the lies
Buthaina Shaaban decided to join the club of lying, she made the biggest lie.no shame anymore.there is no limit to their lies.they compete ,who will lie more.
Their religion is religion of lies, they call it Dissimulation, Taqiyyeh

September 7th, 2013, 7:35 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ali Redha Farqani threatened Obama, he said he will kidnap Obama daughters ,to rape them and kill them, AlArabiyeh said

September 7th, 2013, 7:52 am

 

Juergen said:

That is a real evolution, back in 2003 Saddams useful idiots rounded up around hospitals and schools, cant wait to see Syrian state tv show us human shields around the state tv building, at bait ul shaab and Maze military airport. I get bored by the left wing pacifists who board planes once a new dictator faces his fate.

September 7th, 2013, 8:09 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

?????? ???? ??????? ??? ??????? ????? ?? ???????

???? ????? ????????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????.

????? ?????? ” ??? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ????????? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????”.
Assad son Hafiz was denied admission to enroll in Switzerland schools
Asma is worried about Hafiz education,and the enviroment in Syria is not good for him

September 7th, 2013, 8:15 am

 

Juergen said:

Syrian state Tv gets more and more pathetic, endless watani programms. half of whats shown is no longer, destroyed by the Assad mafia.

http://www.teledunet.com/Index.php?channel=syria#

September 7th, 2013, 8:21 am

 

zoo said:

#275 Juergen

I guess you prefer they’d show Kafranbel cartoons?

We are waiting for more of them as you are their impresario

September 7th, 2013, 8:34 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

Thanks for expressing openly your disgusting racist beliefs that lying is part of the religion of the Alawites and Shias.
Then you dare talk about morals..
The trouble is that you are too primitive to be even aware that you are a racist.

September 7th, 2013, 8:41 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

“SC is becoming a blog for lies,”

I agree, your contribution to lies, false rumors, racist remarks and absurd predictions is greatly appreciated.

September 7th, 2013, 8:43 am

 

revenire said:

Kerry Fails to Sway European Skeptics on Urgency of Syria Strike

Secretary of State John Kerry failed to sway his European counterparts on the urgency of a U.S.-led military strike to halt the use of chemical weapons in Syria’s 2 1/2-year civil war.

France, the principal U.S. ally in a possible assault, signed on to a European Union declaration to put off an armed response until the United Nations delivers a report on last month’s use of chemical agents in a massacre near Damascus.

“The EU underscores at the same time the need to move forward with addressing the Syrian crisis through the UN process,” the 28-nation bloc’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton told reporters after EU foreign ministers met Kerry in Vilnius, Lithuania.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-09-07/kerry-fails-to-sway-european-skeptics-on-urgency-of-syria-strike

September 7th, 2013, 8:46 am

 

revenire said:

Majed easy fix for you – leave (and take your bloodthirsty friends with you).

September 7th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

revenire said:

Juergen who cares about their TV? You sound like an old woman complaining about her husband. Endless moaning.

At least Syrian media doesn’t lie like German media does.

September 7th, 2013, 8:50 am

 
 

zoo said:

While Europe, obviously unconvinced of the identity of the chemical attack perpetrators, wants to wait for the official UN report before taking any ‘strong action’, the USA administration, under heavy pressure by the Israeli and Saudi lobbies is in a hurry. It probably fears that the momentum may fall or more doubts will emerge that would contradict the running propaganda and derail the process.
One wonders why curiously Europe does not seem worried about another imminent chemical weapons attack predicted by the opposition.

Kerry Fails to Sway European Skeptics on Urgency of Syria Strike

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-07/kerry-fails-to-sway-european-skeptics-on-urgency-of-syria-strike.html

Secretary of State John Kerry failed to sway his European counterparts on the urgency of a U.S.-led military strike to halt the use of chemical weapons in Syria’s 2 1/2-year civil war.

France, the principal U.S. ally in a possible assault, signed on to a European Union declaration to put off an armed response until the United Nations delivers a report on last month’s use of chemical agents in a massacre near Damascus.

“The EU underscores at the same time the need to move forward with addressing the Syrian crisis through the UN process,” the 28-nation bloc’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton told reporters after EU foreign ministers met Kerry in Vilnius, Lithuania.

U.S. setbacks in securing international backing for targeted strikes on Syria’s war-making capability were matched by President Barack Obama’s trouble at home in persuading Congress to authorize an American intervention.

September 7th, 2013, 8:56 am

 

zoo said:

There is not yet proofs beyond any doubts on the perpetrators identity and the chain of command of the chemical attack.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/169705/

The European Union’s foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said on Saturday, Sept 7, the EU’s 28 nations agreed that available information seemed to show strong evidence that the Syrian government perpetrated a chemical attack in August, Reuters reported.

Ashton was speaking at the end of a meeting of EU foreign ministers in the Lithuanian capital Vilnius, where they discussed the situation in Syria and Europe’s response.

Meanwhile, with the United States threatening to attack Syria, U.S. and allied intelligence services are still trying to work out who ordered the poison gas attack on rebel-held neighborhoods near Damascus.

No direct link to President Bashar al-Assad or his inner circle has been publicly demonstrated, and some U.S. sources say intelligence experts are not sure whether the Syrian leader knew of the attack before it was launched or was only informed about it afterward.

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the August 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital.

It is one of the biggest gaps in U.S. understanding of the incident, even as Congress debates whether to launch limited strikes on Assad’s forces in retaliation.

After wrongly claiming that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction before the 2003 U.S. invasion, the U.S. intelligence community, along with the Obama administration, are trying to build as solid a case as they can about what it says was a sarin nerve gas attack that killed over 1,400 people.

One possible link between the gas attack and Assad’s inner circle is the Syrian government body that is responsible for producing chemical weapons, U.S. and allied security sources say, according to Reuters.

Personnel associated with the Syrian Scientific Studies and Research Council (SSRC), which has direct ties to Assad’s entourage, were likely involved in preparing munitions in the days before the attack, they say. Much of the U.S. claim that Assad is responsible was initially based on reports from witnesses, non-governmental groups and hours of YouTube videos.

U.S. officials have not presented any evidence to the public of scientific samples or intelligence information proving that sarin gas was used or that the Syrian government used it.

The United States has also not named any Syrian commanders it thinks gave the green light to fire gas-laden rockets into Ghouta.

September 7th, 2013, 9:06 am

 

zoo said:

Maaloula still under fire.
Didn’t the SNC said that the fighters have withdrawn?

http://newsok.com/syrian-regime-shelling-near-damascus-kills-16/article/feed/587927


The group also reported heavy fighting between rebels and troops loyal to President Bashar Assad around the Christian village of Maaloula. The rebel advance into the area that began on Monday was reportedly spearheaded by al-Qaida-linked fighters, exacerbating fears among Syrians and religious minorities in particular that Islamic extremists are playing an increasingly important role in the rebellion.

Fighters from the Western-backed Free Syrian Army have also participated in battles around Maaloula, destroying two government checkpoints near the town earlier this week, according to a statement by the main opposition coalition on Friday.

September 7th, 2013, 9:11 am

 

revenire said:

Someone told me that the FSA is beheading Christians Ma’loula.

September 7th, 2013, 9:15 am

 
 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, a very important heads up was made available to us by our most knowledgeable and highly reliable sources. We make it available for release based on their request.

Secretary John Kerry succeeded in bringing Germany on board while meeting with EU ministers in Vilinius, Lithuania. German foreign minister, Guido Westrewelle, announced his government’s support for strong and decisive response from the international community against Criminal Pervert.

Twelve European countries are now in full support of decisive strikes against the regime of Crimes Unlimited.

Considering the Turkish and Arab partners of the coalition, It looks like that the key states on this planet are all in agreement on the need to take action. Rogue nations are rogue by definition. Just so you may know.

September 7th, 2013, 9:36 am

 

revenire said:

Majed you never provided me any PROOF that U.S. generals supported a war with Syria. I will provide you some PROOF they don’t.

Majed I am sure the U.S. military would have you arrested on terrorism charges if they were in charge instead of Al-Qaeda ally Obama.

===

U.S. military planners don’t support war with Syria
A war the Pentagon doesn’t want

The tapes tell the tale. Go back and look at images of our nation’s most senior soldier, Gen. Martin Dempsey, and his body language during Tuesday’s Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings on Syria. It’s pretty obvious that Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, doesn’t want this war. As Secretary of State John Kerry’s thundering voice and arm-waving redounded in rage against Bashar al-Assad’s atrocities, Dempseywas largely (and respectfully) silent.

Dempsey’s unspoken words reflect the opinions of most serving military leaders. By no means do I profess to speak on behalf of all of our men and women in uniform. But I can justifiably share the sentiments of those inside the Pentagon and elsewhere who write the plans and develop strategies for fighting our wars. After personal exchanges with dozens of active and retired soldiers in recent days, I feel confident that what follows represents the overwhelming opinion of serving professionals who have been intimate witnesses to the unfolding events that will lead the United States into its next war.

They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-military-planners-dont-support-war-with-syria/2013/09/05/10a07114-15bb-11e3-be6e-dc6ae8a5b3a8_story.html

September 7th, 2013, 9:37 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

troll is nothing but a bag of gas

September 7th, 2013, 9:40 am

 

revenire said:

Umm…

“Just over half of the G20 states signed up to a statement calling for a ‘strong’ response to last month’s alleged chemical attack,” Agence France-Presse reports. “France, the only EU nation to have offered to take part in an attack, was one of four European states — with Britain, Italy and Spain — among the 11 nations that signed the statement.”

That group did not include Germany. But the nation did join in the European Union’s blaming of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad Saturday, the AP reports.

September 7th, 2013, 9:41 am

 

revenire said:

Syria Vote May Be Delayed in House as Leaders Fear Major Defeat
Congressional Black Caucus Warned Against Criticizing War
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/09/06/syria-vote-may-be-delayed-in-house-as-leaders-fear-major-defeat/

September 7th, 2013, 9:43 am

 
 

revenire said:

American “freedom” in action:

Congressional Black Caucus instructed to hold tongue on Syria

WASHINGTON — As an increasing number of African-American lawmakers voice dissent over the Obama administration’s war plans in Syria, the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus has asked members to “limit public comment” on the issue until they are briefed by senior administration officials.

A congressional aide to a caucus member called the request “eyebrow-raising,” in an interview with FP, and said the request was designed to quiet dissent while shoring up support for President Barack Obama’s Syria strategy.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/congressional-black-caucus-instructed-to-hold-tongue-on-syria-1.239706

September 7th, 2013, 9:45 am

 

revenire said:

G-20 Ends, EU Declares ‘No Military Solution’ to Syria
Echoes Russian Calls for Diplomatic Solution Through UN
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/09/06/g-20-ends-eu-declares-no-military-solution-to-syria/

September 7th, 2013, 9:46 am

 
 

revenire said:

The world stands with Syria. No one can call millions of Americans, Europeans, Ibero-Americans, Africans and Asians Assad regime agents.

If this is really about freedom and the voice of the people why doesn’t Obama listen to his people? The overwhelming majority of Americans are against this war.

Congressmen tell us the calls are 100 to 1 against it.

I understand the weak Obama regime wants to put off the vote to try to get more support. What is the coward waiting for? Is he afraid?

Assad has more support in America than Obama does. That is just a simple fact.

September 7th, 2013, 9:58 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir , Now, is blatant in his lies and joined by Zoo,
Zoo said FSA is back in Maaloula, yet if you read what he wrote the fight is outside Maaloula.

Revenir
General Dempsey said :Free my hands I will do more destruction of Assad army in Syria,
There is nothing the military generals like more than they show their power, they like to use cruise missiles

Revenir said
FSA attacking churches, another flagrant lie, flouting morality is his style,it is his religion,,he belongs to the party of lies

September 7th, 2013, 9:58 am

 

revenire said:

Nonsense Majed. Dempsey has been against war with Syria from the very start.

Provide me a link with a quote from him.

Generals do not like war at all. You’re totally insane. You’re a terrorist backer.

September 7th, 2013, 9:59 am

 

Syrian said:

The nytimes issues correction on Syrian rebel story
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/09/06/new_york_times_issues_correction_on_syrian_rebel_story
“But the Syrian Support Group, a Washington-based advocate for more aggressive U.S. intervention in Syria, said Issa and his group, Jund al-Sham, has no connection to the Supreme Military Council and never did, in a statement to The Cable:”

“Sometime after the SSG issued this statement to The Cable, the Times posted a correction to its article noting that the execution video was not from this year. In fact, it was “made in the spring of 2012,” according to a correction at the bottom of the article. In a statement to The Cable, the SSG’s media director Dan Layman said the correction further vindicated the group’s point. “The Times just corrected their article to show the time stamp on the video was the spring of 2012. Before the SMC even existed,” said Layman.”

“In any event, Layman and other members of the opposition lobby say presenting the year-old video in the middle of the Congressoinal debate over authorizing war was tendentious. “It really suggests how they’re willing to sacrifice truth for their own anti-war sentiments,” he said, referring to the newspaper.”

September 7th, 2013, 10:11 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
If yo watched the minutes of senate committee you will find it,

Revenir can you show me a quote where any active general said he is against the strike? if you show where Dempsey said he is against the strike, please show it.
There is nothing to support your lie, have shame, if you have any

September 7th, 2013, 10:15 am

 

revenire said:

You’re out of your mind Majed.

Dempsey has long warned of going to war with Syria:

Gen. Martin Dempsey Warns U.S. Intervention in Syria Will Trigger Wider War
Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff: Intervening on behalf of rebels risks widening conflict
http://freebeacon.com/gen-martin-dempsey-warns-u-s-intervention-in-syria-will-trigger-wider-war/

Gen Martin Dempsey Warns Not To Strike Syria: US Not Ready, A Fools Errand: McCain Calls Dempsey “Disingenuous”
http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2013/09/gen-martin-dempsey-warns-not-to-strike-syria-us-not-ready-a-fools-errand-mccain-calls-dempsey-disingenuous/

Everyone’s laughing at you Majed. You’re a fool.

September 7th, 2013, 10:25 am

 

revenire said:

General Dempsey Again Warns on Syria War

General Martin Dempsey is at it again. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is traveling in the Middle East, seemingly making it clear that he doesn’t want any part of the war in Syria. As I reported a while back, in a letter to members of Congress Dempsey had earlier warned that all of the options open to the United States in the Syrian civil war are bad ones. At that time, Dempsey drew fire from hawks and from advocates who want more and stronger direct US involvement in the Syrian war.

Now, it appears that both Dempsey and the Obama administration are concerned about the Syrian war spreading into Jordan. In the past, the United States has used Jordan as a launching pad for CIA-trained rebels fighting the government of President Bashar al-Assad. But the rebellion in Syria is boomeranging, or “blowing back,” as these things usually do.

Following reports that Syrian rebels, especially the radical Islamists, are trying to spread the conflict into Jordan—particularly ironic, since Jordan is funneling weapons to the anti-Assad fighters—The New York Times reports that Dempsey is concerned over the threat to Jordan:

Syria has accused Jordan of acting as a transit point for weapons supplied to Syrian rebels, an accusation Jordan has denied. In recent days, the Jordanian authorities have detained suspected smugglers, including Syrians, accused of attempting to bring antitank missiles, surface-to-air missiles, assault rifles and other arms from Syria into Jordan—possibly part of an attempt by jihadists in Syria to foment unrest in Jordan as well.

Dempsey, whose earlier letter was released by Senator Carl Levin’s office, was outspoken during his trip to Israel and Jordan. Said Dempsey:

“I am very concerned about the radical element of the opposition, and I am concerned about the potential that extremist ideologies will hijack what started out to be a popular movement to overthrow an oppressive regime.…

“The issues that are fueling the conflict in Syria will not be resolved in the short term, even if the Assad regime were to fail tomorrow,” he said. “This is a regional conflict that stretches from Beirut to Damascus to Baghdad.”[…] “It is the unleashing of historic ethnic, religious and tribal animosities that will take a great deal of work and a great deal of time to resolve.”

http://www.thenation.com/blog/175729/general-dempsey-again-warns-syria-war#axzz2eDWhlaTv

September 7th, 2013, 10:28 am

 

revenire said:

I can do this all day Majed. I just might too.

You won’t find a single news story anywhere on the planet where Dempsey says he is for war on Syria.

No place.

What a clown.

You see Majed I know what I am talking about when it comes to politics and war. I don’t talk out of my a$$ like you do.

You’re just a terrorist.

September 7th, 2013, 10:30 am

 

revenire said:

MA’LOOLAA:
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___*-Stats are coming in quite furiously as the extent of the damage and horror inflicted on this historically important Christian city are finally being absorbed. Families who fell into the grip of the Chechen nihilist atheist fake-Muslims were forced to kneel and convert to Islam lest they be shot in the presence of other Christian families. OBAMA! YOU ARE A WAR CRIMINAL!

In any case, near the Ambassador Hotel in the city, at the Waadi Al-Saleeb (Valley of the Cross) and at the junction of St. Sarkis Church, the last rodents were exterminated. SAA confiscated Saudi-bought heat-seeking missiles and a mortar. We will use these to annihilate the entire Saud Family.

http://syrianperspective.blogspot.com/2013/09/first-post-september-7-2013-dayr.html

*censored by Matt Barber (pro-terrorist posts are okay, calling terrorists ____* isn’t)

September 7th, 2013, 10:41 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
Only stupid can not differentiate between the word concerned about spreading and to say he is against the strike,
Go ahead deceive yourself, only your self will be deceived, You are american, you either don’t understand or you are pretending to be stupid, he never said he is against, go learn english again ,stop this nonsense,to be concerned is different from being against, he is supportive of this strike.

September 7th, 2013, 10:41 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Sound like the son of one of Robert Fisk and other blue eyed anthropologists? friends, wonder if hardly-a-massacre was a neighbor…

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September 7th, 2013, 10:44 am

 

Atassi said:

Your master Assad is a dead man walking …little days left for this SOB ..What is your plan?
And to the author of this latest topic, do you really think the real FSA did invade this town!! Those are the regime men dude …… Think!

September 7th, 2013, 11:13 am

 

zoo said:

The opposition is spreading a flurry of rumors and false news to force Obama’s hand
Syrian rebels attempt to force Obama info ousting Assad
September 7, 2013 – 19:06 AMT
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/169707/

PanARMENIAN.Net – Syrian rebels seem to have become wearied of waiting for Assad forces to be bombed and decided to use a well-proved “weapon” – accusation of using chemical agents.

According to some sources of the so-called Syrian opposition, the Assad forces used poisonous shells while attacking rebel positions in Damascus suburb of Al Kabune. To prove their claim, the rebels cite a video featuring a person being examined by doctors after having been poisoned by some agent. No official response followed the statement. Earlier, Al Arabiya TV channel reported the deaths of 56 over the past day, which, however, were unconnected to the use of chemical weapon.

Looks like Syrian rebels will stop at noting in forcing Obama to oust Assad, although the U.S. is planning no such step. As Obama repeatedly stated, the strike aims at punishing, rather that ousting Assad. However, the militants, unsatisfied with such an outcome, continue spreading deliberately false reports, in full knowledge that the media will be thriving on another report of “murdering of peaceful population.” No one seems to care about the fact that the militants have more than enough blood on their hands – Assad is the only “source of evil” in the world and he needs to be punished.

Unfortunately, logic does not seem to be either the rebels, or the U.S. president’s forte. Why poison one’s people with gas when government forces are gaining ground against rebels? And it’s utterly unclear why Obama chose this method to make Iran and South Korea (which the U.S. believes to be guilty of developing their own nuke programs) “see reason.”

Somehow, Pakistan and Israel are allowed to have nuclear weapons, yet the countries of “evil” are not. And what further defies understanding is that the Christians, whose fellow believers are being killed and tortured, are the ones to write about Assad’s “atrocities.” However, the misfortunes of the Near East Christians remain unheeded these days, with rare articles being published. In September, only one serious article was released in The American Conservative.

“So here is the nightmare. If the U.S., France, and some miscellaneous allies strike at the regime, they could conceivably so weaken it that it would collapse. Out of the ruins would emerge a radically anti-Western regime, which would kill or expel several million Christians and Alawites. This would be a political, religious, and humanitarian catastrophe unparalleled since the Armenian genocide almost exactly a century ago,” Philip Jenkins said in his article Syria’s Christians Risk Eradication.

“Around the world, scholars and intellectual leaders are debating how to commemorate the approaching centennial of that cataclysm in 2015. Through its utter lack of historical awareness, the United States government may be pushing towards not a commemoration of the genocide but a faithful re-enactment,” the author said.

In his weekly address to the nation, Obama reiterated that the Syria strike aims to protect the U.S. interests in preventing Syria crisis from turning into another Iraq or Afghanistan. Yet every one of the U.S. President’s steps is proving the opposite.

September 7th, 2013, 11:20 am

 

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September 7th, 2013, 11:26 am

 

zoo said:

@2888 Heads up

That is a LIE.

“Twelve European countries are now in full support of decisive strikes against the regime of Crimes Unlimited.”

11 countries support a “strong response”. 9 disagree.
All calls for a political solution.

NO country in the world except France and Turkey officially support military strikes.

“France is the only foreign nation yet to support military action against Syria in response to Syria’s alleged use of chemical weapons against its own citizens.”

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/09/07/Kerry-to-meet-with-European-diplomats-over-possible-Syrian-strike/UPI-33431378567444/#ixzz2eDnRiyte

September 7th, 2013, 11:31 am

 

SimoHurtta said:


273. Juergen said:

That is a real evolution, back in 2003 Saddams useful idiots rounded up around hospitals and schools, cant wait to see Syrian state tv show us human shields around the state tv building, at bait ul shaab and Maze military airport. I get bored by the left wing pacifists who board planes once a new dictator faces his fate.

Jürgen were those people who with their own body tried to block the war against the state of Iraq (not Saddam) useful idiots or were those useful idiots who in UN told wild stories of moving chemical weapon factories, nukes, forced “dossiers” how Saddam in 45 minutes can send WMD missiles to Europe, who told how Al Qaida is commanded and trained by Saddam, who told stories of yellow cake etc?

The lies these useful militant idiots told to the world did cost USA over 5000 lives, trillions of dollars and in the end a political humiliation when they were kicked out. For Iraqis did the lies of US and Britain mean hundreds of thousands killed, millions displaced, a politically dysfunctional ruling system, oil income vanishing heaven knows where, robbed museums and historical sites, polluted enviroment with DU etc. The ironical thing is that Iraqis had a better functioning electrical network, social security and general security during Saddam’s time. Few Iraqis miss Americans, many surprisingly “the old days”.

Surely people, who are ready to try to stop the real possibility of a large regional war which could in worst form cost millions of lives and ruin the world economy, by offering to be as human shields are no idiots. Idiots are those who try with a strait face to convince, that the planed US acts are no acts of war, they are “international” punishments “authorized” by the (nonexistent) international community against those they think are guilty (and the “main proof” are those numerous YouTube videos and twitter feeds of those like Find A Way (former Kill Assad, known in SC as Omen)).

September 7th, 2013, 11:33 am

 

Syrian said:

Russian tv RT in his report, shows clearly that chemical Assad using tanks to shell Ma’aloula
http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_articles&id=df5594fe814c16c88424c466437f2e6d&ar=323340376

September 7th, 2013, 11:37 am

 

ziad said:

Giancarlo G-Syria No War

September 7th, 2013, 11:39 am

 

zoo said:

While Germany supports a “strong response” to the chemical attack, the Germans oppose a “military response”

“An opinion poll published last Thursday showed 70 percent of Germans oppose U.S. military action in Syria.”

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/18827210/germany-backs-g20-statement-on-syria-a-day-late/

September 7th, 2013, 11:43 am

 

zoo said:

312. Syrian

Yes.. yes .. sure… see #308

September 7th, 2013, 11:44 am

 

Hopeful said:

#303 Rev

That was *before* Assad launched chemical weapons on innocent civilians. He is dragging Obama and his staff into this war kicking and screaming. History will show that Assad managed to get the most dovish US administration in history involved in a war in the Middle East. It is beyond me why anyone with a brain would still support him, other than for sectarian purposes or selfish benefits.

September 7th, 2013, 11:46 am

 

zoo said:

311 Simo

Thanks for showing arrogant “useless idiots” on this blog what the “militant idiots” in the West have done with Iraq.

September 7th, 2013, 11:49 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou again conveniently forgets to mention that that the majority of the dead in Iraq were murdered by the same fanatics supported, trained, and transported to Iraq by non other than the dog-poop chemical athad zouzou loves to snort. These are the same bastards that now form dog-poop chemical athad scarecrow plan. zouzou also does not want to mention that the huge corruption in Iraq is being committed by the hands of those who are “tightly close” to the muh-laaas of Iran and that corruption of the muh-laaas snorters like al-malki is also responsible for as many deaths and as much misery as the war itself.

these are all irrelevant facts to zouzouz. They don’t serve its message, which is……..

September 7th, 2013, 11:59 am

 

Hopeful said:

#311 Simohurtta

Iraq was a mess – everyone agrees on that. Many are to blame: US military incompetence, US intelligence failure, Iraq opposition lies, neighboring countries interference, Iraqi sectarian divide, jihadists, etc. But let us not forget the main cause of that mess: Saddam Hussain and his regime.

Similarly in Syria, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the main culprit remains Assad and his incompetent, corrupt and brutal regime. Let’s not forget that and allow him and his thugs to steer us away from that message.

September 7th, 2013, 12:02 pm

 

Syrian said:

315Zoo
Wrong Wrong ,312 has nothing to do with the chemical attack on Qaboon in 308,
312 is a tv report by your favorite RT with their camera man filming Chemical Assad tanks hitting Ma’aloula , open link

September 7th, 2013, 12:06 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Don’t you love it. The meeting is over. Kerry is probably on the way for talks with AL and Gulf states, and dog-poop chemical athad snorters are still busy analyzing the pre-meeting “lefty” speculations.

Now, post meeting news from a russian news service states

MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) – EU foreign ministers have called for a “clear and firm” response to those guilty of using chemical weapons in the conflict in Syria, the EU’s top diplomat Catherine Ashton said Saturday at a security policy meeting in Vilnius attended by US Secretary of State John Kerry, Reuters reported.

Kerry expressed his gratitude to the EU ministers for their “strong position” on Syria, Reuters reported.

But that call came with an appeal from the EU to the United States not to commence military operations against the Syrian regime until the publication of a UN report into the alleged use of chemical weapons in the conflict, The Associated Press reported.

On a different news service, the EU ministers seem to also have been convinced that it was dog-poop chemical athad and a bunch of its inhalers behind the massacre (which first did not happen, then was done by the rebels, then turned out to have been the results of the rebels using bad weapons, and last-but not finally was found to be a major inter-county transportation fiasco). Here is how convinced were the EU minister with the arguments from dirty-kill-them-all troll, nus-lira/aoun zouzou, and a couple of racist blokes who defecate words on this site:

The European Union agreed on Saturday that the Aug. 21 chemical attack outside Damascus appears to have been the work of Syria’s regime, but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a UN inspectors’ report.

To sum it up:
1. EU knows it was dog-poop chemical athad who massacred Syrian children and women

2. EU supports a strong action against the bastards who murdered Syrian children and women

3, EU asked Kerry, to hold-on on the strong response until the UN inspectors confirm that there was a cowardly massaccre with chemical weapons..which they themselves know and have confirmed it has.

Very very complex “logical problem” for the headless horsemen and “useful idiots”.

To sum it up even more
You’r S C R E W E D

September 7th, 2013, 12:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian

I haven’t seen nothing of that sort. You have hallucinations of taking sand dust for chemical weapons. Nobody wears a gaz mask. Your accusations are ridiculous.

I won’t open any of your silly video anymore, it’s a waste of time.
You proved to be a typical pro-rebels propagandist.

September 7th, 2013, 12:18 pm

 

zoo said:

#321 Hamy

To sum it up even more:
Y A W N

September 7th, 2013, 12:24 pm

 

zoo said:

Let’s not forget that it’s the Syrian opposition who invited the scourge of Al Qaeda in the country.

September 7th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

Hopeful said:

It is normal that the majority of people in Germany, India, Brazil, Mozambique, etc., are opposed to a US strike against Syria. Why would anyone who is not directly involved support a military strike by one nation on another nation? It does not surprise me that 70% of Germans are against the US strike. What surprises me is that 30% of them DO support the strike! Do you know what it takes to get 30% of Germans to support any military action by anyone against anyone?

The US intervention in Kosovo and Bosnia was very unpopular. But thank God Clinton ignored public opinions in Italy and Germany, skipped the UN, and did the right thing to save the Muslims there.

September 7th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

zoo said:

Pro-Israel U.S. lobbying group sets major push for Syria action

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pro-israel-u-lobbying-group-sets-major-push-153922015.html#QsTTdFw

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The influential pro-Israel American Israel Public Affairs Committee will deploy hundreds of activists next week to win support in Congress for military action in Syria, amid an intense White House effort to convince wavering U.S. lawmakers to vote for limited strikes.

“We plan a major lobbying effort with about 250 activists in Washington to meet with their senators and representatives,” an AIPAC source said on Saturday.

Congressional aides said they expected the meetings and calls on Tuesday, as President Barack Obama and officials from his administration make their case for missile strikes over the apparent use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government.

September 7th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

Syrian said:

ZOO
I did not say Ma’aloula was shelled by chemical weapons, I said “shows clearly that chemical Assad using tanks to shell Ma’aloula”
slow down on your snorting.

September 7th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

zoo said:

#325 Hopeful

Please provide the source that 30% of Germans support the strikes.

September 7th, 2013, 12:32 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

freaking powerful answer…
Naturally, facts are boring… delusions are far more exciting.

I am surprised that dog-poop chemical athad snorters on sc have not yet mentioned and reserved their seats in the “arab nation” conference to be held in cairo and called for by the fascist and defunct dead-wood pan-arab socialist parties to protest the american action. ooops forgot, many of SC dog-poop chemical athad snorting trolls don’t even know arabic.

September 7th, 2013, 12:32 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian

The opposition badly needs propaganda on the recurrent use of chemical weapons by the SAA to force Obama’s hand.
Tanks are legal weapons and won’t change the world’s mind
So don’t waste your times and mine of reporting tank attacks. Nobody cares.

September 7th, 2013, 12:34 pm

 

Alan said:

United States of America – a large and important country in the world which has A failed foreign policy!
Instead of being a PARTNER in international AFFAIRS and an important PLAYER which has become PUPPET clique of young amateur!!! It is unfortunate to lose polarity

September 7th, 2013, 12:36 pm

 

zoo said:

Direct link between Assad and gas attack elusive for U.S.
By Mark Hosenball, Reuters

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2013/09/07/21104916.html?cid=rssnews

WASHINGTON – With the United States threatening to attack Syria, U.S. and allied intelligence services are still trying to work out who ordered the poison gas attack on rebel-held neighbourhoods near Damascus.

No direct link to President Bashar al-Assad or his inner circle has been publicly demonstrated, and some U.S. sources say intelligence experts are not sure whether the Syrian leader knew of the attack before it was launched or was only informed about it afterward.

While U.S. officials say Assad is responsible for the chemical weapons strike even if he did not directly order it, they have not been able to fully describe a chain of command for the Aug. 21 attack in the Ghouta area east of the Syrian capital.

It is one of the biggest gaps in U.S. understanding of the incident, even as Congress debates whether to launch limited strikes on Assad’s forces in retaliation.

September 7th, 2013, 12:40 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The terrorist attack on Maloula has backfired, western press has reported the attack and questioned the purpose of this attack on a Christian symbol known all over the world.
Rebel mouthpieces lied again and said that nothing was damaged inside Maloula and that rebels left the area out of ” respect” for its religious value, we learned today that there was looting and burning of at least one church and we now know that there is still a fire fight around town. Who needs enemies with friends like these !!

September 7th, 2013, 12:41 pm

 

Alan said:

United States of America – a large and important country in the world which has A failed foreign policy!
Instead of being a PARTNER in international AFFAIRS and an important PLAYER which has become PUPPET clique of young amateur!!!
America’s involvement in Syrian affairs in this way shows how much is in crisis and need help!!!
Did not win this time in the gambling game (regime change)! There is no way out but to save the rest of the face
It is unfortunate to lose polarity
************
Obama Prepares to Wage Offensive, First-strike Strategic Nuclear Warfare against Russia, China, Iran, North Korea and ?????

I have now had the chance to read Obama’s recently released Report on Nuclear Employment Strategy of the United States, (June 21, 2013). The critical passage can be found on page 5:

“The 2010 Nuclear Posture Review established the Administration’s goal to set conditions that would allow the United States to safely adopt a policy of making deterrence of nuclear attack the sole purpose of U.S. nuclear weapons. Although we cannot adopt such a policy today, the new guidance re-iterates the intention to work towards that goal over time.”

In other words, “nuclear deterrence” is not now and has not been the policy of the Obama administration going back to and including their 2010 Nuclear Posture Review as well.

Since “nuclear deterrence” is not now and has never been the Obama administration’s nuclear weapons policy from the get-go, then by default this means that offensive first-strike strategic nuclear war fighting is now and has always been the Obama administration’s nuclear weapons policy………
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-prepares-to-wage-offensive-first-strike-strategic-nuclear-warfare-against-russia-china-iran-north-korea-and-syria/5340299
****************
Rush Limbaugh: Americans Starting to Notice Obama’s ‘Incompetence’ Thanks to Syria
http://youtu.be/OntizL5INHE

September 7th, 2013, 12:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Hamy

“Naturally, facts are boring… delusions are far more exciting”

In view of the smell and the length of you h-p, you apparently are very excited by your own delusion.

Pseudo-facts parroted infinitely are extremely boring

September 7th, 2013, 12:47 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#328 Zoo

I stand corrected.

In #314 you mentioned that a poll shows that 70% of Germans were against the strike. Doing the math, I assumed that 30% supported it.

But after your challenge, I did some digging, and found out that 23% of Germans support it according to the poll referenced below. Still a very high numbers for Germans in my opinion, but feel free to disagree.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/27/us-syria-crisis-germany-idUSBRE97Q0P420130827

September 7th, 2013, 12:48 pm

 

Syrian said:

ZOO. You are missing the point deliberately,the link is not for you, this link for Syrian Christian, who knows exactly what the link is showing. Assad’s tanks using their normal way of selling a town to liberate their historic town

September 7th, 2013, 12:51 pm

 
 

zoo said:

After France suddenly and inexplicably backed off from immediate military attacks and decided to wait for the UN report planned for end September, will isolated USA do it alone?

Europe urging US to delay action in Syria

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/80994/World/Region/Europe-urging-US-to-delay-action-in-Syria-.aspx

European foreign ministers might ask John Kerry to be leery with intervention in Syria until UN report on whether chemical weapons were used is released
AP , Saturday 7 Sep 2013

….
Britain’s Parliament has already voted against military action. And French President Francois Hollande displayed sudden caution on Friday, saying he would wait for a UN report before deciding whether to intervene militarily.

The UN report is expected later this month, although some European officials are asking the UN to speed up the probe or issue an interim report.

September 7th, 2013, 12:54 pm

 

don said:

Guy calls for John McCain to be “arrested and tried for treason” at town hall meeting

September 7th, 2013, 12:59 pm

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

Contrary to you,I am amazed that despite the huge media propaganda, the zionist media and demonization of the Syrian government in Western newspapers, the poll against an attack is as high as 70%

September 7th, 2013, 1:01 pm

 

don said:

Syrian Rebels Using Chemical Weapons in Syria

September 7th, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our distinguished benefactors have made this vey important heads up available for release.

Laurent Fabius and John Kerry are holding a joint press conference right now.

They are saying that they received all the support they need from the world. They are now ready to drive the final nail into Ass-head.

September 7th, 2013, 1:31 pm

 

Ghufran said:

??? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ????? ???????? ?? ??????.
Kerry just declared that the US is not planning a strike similar to what it did in Kosovo

September 7th, 2013, 1:45 pm

 

Alan said:

/to drive the final nail into Ass-head/.
may be the final nail to drive into Kerry-Fabius head.

**********
Pro-Israel lobby says 250 activists will meet with their senators and representatives in Washington in a bid to win support Congressional support for military action in Syria.
Obama!
AIPAC is bellwether! and who are you?

September 7th, 2013, 1:49 pm

 

Atassi said:

where is my comment!!

September 7th, 2013, 1:51 pm

 

Atassi said:

YOUR MASTER ASSAD IS A DEAD MAN WALKING …LESS THAN 72 HOURS LEFT

September 7th, 2013, 1:55 pm

 

Alan said:

inflated frog!

September 7th, 2013, 1:57 pm

 

revenire said:

Syrian rebels threaten humanitarian workers, kill 11 – top UN official

Armed groups openly threaten humanitarian workers in Syria, said top UN official Valerie Amos on Friday. The UN humanitarian chief also stated that 11 UN staff members have already been killed in the country, and cited several cases of abductions.

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_07/Syrian-rebels-threaten-humanitarian-workers-kill-11-top-UN-official-2808/

September 7th, 2013, 2:03 pm

 

Ghufran said:

It is not a done deal yet, we have at least 8 days before a vote is done at the Congress, if a vote is done today the congress will vote NO, Obama is not likely to strike before that and may not strike if the congress says NO. This makes some comments on this blog almost worthless. The EU members support a decisive response but almost none spells the word ” military”. One potential exit is waiting for UN report then finding out who was behind the attack, if Assad regime is found guilty, Putin will sign up on a deal that allows the UNSC to take guilty officers and politicians to a war crime court and will agree that Assad can not be part of any future government. This scenario has a lot of ifs and buts but it may save Syria from a war that may spread to other countries and make a bad situation worse.
I agree that those behind the attack must be punished, I disagree that attacking Syria is the answer, many of you are driven by hate and revenge not common sense.

September 7th, 2013, 2:24 pm

 

revenire said:

Assad won’t be taken anywhere. Every Syrian will fight to the death to defeat the enemy.

Iran and Hezbollah will send 100s of 1000s of soldiers to help. Russia already said they will help militarily – Putin himself said it for all to hear.

When the missiles hit Syria the response will be an attack on Israel.

September 7th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#350 Ghufran

I remember the OJ Simpson trial in 1995. When the innocent verdict was announced, the American Blacks celebrated justice, and the American Whites cried foul. Everyone looked at the same evidence, and made the opposite conclusion, each side based on what they wanted to believe.

My point is, after 2.5 years of this war, I do not believe facts and truths will change minds of the people who want to believe what they want to believe. After September 11, there were video tapes of of the terrorists in their own words describing what they intended to do. There was a video tape of Bin Laden talking about the operation. Yet, there are tens of millions around the world who still believe that Al-Qaeda had nothing to do with 9/11. Those video tapes were “obviously” fabricated. So will any evidence showing that the Syrian regime had anything to do with the chemical attack. It will be “obviously” fabricated by the CIA and the Saudi intelligence.

It will take a miracle to find a political settlement, one that both sides can feel that they have won something. The scenario you paint sounds great, but I am afraid it has a zero chance of becoming a reality. Unfortunately.

September 7th, 2013, 2:50 pm

 

Badr said:

Syrian Anarchist Challenges the Rebel/Regime Binary View of Resistance

By Joshua Stephens, Truthout | Interview

Nader Atassi: “If the US wants to help, it can start by using diplomacy to talk to Russia and Iran and convince them to stop the war so that Syrians themselves can determine what is the next course of action.”

September 7th, 2013, 2:57 pm

 

revenire said:

Syrian Parliament Letter to U.S. Congress: Let Us Cooperate Against Our Common Enemy, Saudi-funded Al-Qaeda

Greetings,

Please find attached an urgent formal Open Letter from myself as Speaker of the Syrian Parliament. I am sending this on behalf of the Members of the Syrian People’s Assembly. The institution that has functioned continuously since its foundation in 1919.

In view of today’s crucial debate on a possible American military attack on our country, it is vital that the attached letter to be circulated immediately to every Congress Member prior to the debate.

In addition, we kindly ask you read out the letter during the opening stages of the debate in order to ensure that the Honourable Members are fully appraised [sic] of the situation in Syria and of the proposals included in the attached letter, and in order to ensure that the full text of the letter is registered in your records.

It is important to note that we have sent an explanatory letter regarding the situation in Syria to our colleagues at the British Parliament who took the responsibility to exhaust all avenues of diplomacy before involving their nation into war.

We hope that your Honourable Members will also take a similar approach.

Yours faithfully,
Speaker of People’s Assembly
MHD. Jihd AL-LAHHAM

Dear Sirs and Madams,

“If civilization is to survive, we must cultivate the science of human relationships — the ability of all peoples, to live together, in the same world at peace.”
Franklin D. Roosevelt

We write to you urgently as you are debating the process of launching an attack on Syria. Additionally, we write to you as fellow Parliamentarians and representatives of our peoples.

It is still important that, we write to you as fathers and mothers, as members of families and communities which really are not so different to yours. Moreover, we write to you as human beings asking: if you bomb us, shall we not bleed?! The innocent people will be harmed.

Local tragedies become regional wars that led to global conflict because of the lack of communication among nations. We urge you to communicate with us through civilized dialogue rather than the language of fire and blood.

In Syria, we are keeping in mind the American dream of family values, the opportunity of success in a peaceful environment. James Truslow Adams said in 1931, “life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement” regardless of social class, religion or circumstances of birth.

Before your debate at the Congress let’s recall the following:

1. Common facts:

* The main factor of 9/11 attacks was the hatred Wahhabi Jihadist Ideology adopted and financed by Saudis.

* The hatred Wahhabi Jihadist Ideology was born from the Muslim Brotherhood jihadist doctrine. One of the living example is Omar Abdel Rahman, who’s actually in your prison, where many parties claiming to be your allies are seeking his release.

* More than 3 trillion USD, hundreds of thousands of killed and injured Americans and Iraqis and millions of Iraqi refugees were the cost of the ongoing military war on terrorism.

* Due to the Saudi money the Salafi Wahhabi different jihadist “Madrassas” are still operating and where thousands of kids are graduated every year from these terrorist centers.

* Kitchen tools plus Wahhabi Ideology are the main factors behind the horrible terrorist attacks around the world and Boston crime is the living example of the present and future sleeping cells model.

* Since late seventies, Syria was the first country that faced fundamentalist fanatic terrorism.

* Now, Syria is fighting tens of thousands of Non-Syrian jihadists.

* Syria is the last living genuine secular state in the Middle East.

* The United States and Syria both suffered and are still suffering from the terror of the same enemy which is the hatred Wahhabi Ideology adopted and financed by Saudis.

* Both of our countries fully supported the Security Council resolutions 1373 and 1624 to combat terrorism.

“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made ”
Franklin D. Roosevelt

The main common enemy to our two nations is the hatred wahhabi Jihadi ideology represented by Al- Qaida, A1 Nusra Front and its affiliates,

2-Alleged Chemical Attacks:

2-1 Evidences of possessing Chemical Weapons by the armed fanatic terrorist groups:

* On 19.03.2013 Khan Al-Asal, Aleppo chemical attack on civilians and military personnel, Syrian Government asked on 20.03.2013 for an immediate UN investigation.

The investigation Team visit was delayed for more than 5 months by US, France and UK intervention.

* On 30.05.2013 Turkey announced the capture of an Islamist fanatic terrorist group possessing two litres of Sarin Gas. Therefore, Mr. Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, on 31.05.2013 urged the Turkish Government to cooperate to avoid the possibility of any future chemical attack in the Middle East and Europe.

* On 01.06.2013 the Iraqi Army announced the capture of a fundamentalist fanatic terrorist group on the Iraqi-Syrian borders, and seized chemical weapons and a remote control of a small helicopter.

* On 28.07.2013 the Syrian authorities handed to the Russian and Chinese diplomatic missions in Damascus the evidence of the possessing chemical weapon by al Nusra Front and their intention to use them to attack Muaaret al Numan and the suburb of Aleppo.

Conclusion: the above facts proves that the fundamentalist Jihadist terrorist groups possessed and used chemical weapons previously.

2-2 Question: Logically, what is the benefit of the Syrian Government to commit a chemical attack crime during the visit of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria within less than 4 miles from the Commission residence at Four Seasons Hotel?!

3. For that reason, we urge you to come to Syria, to send a delegation, as soon as you can to see and discover for yourselves what is going on here. We invite you to come to Syria to measure the situation before you cut—especially when the cloth that will be cut is human flesh. Where we can together generate a road map for a joint effective effort against terrorism.

We believe that such an aggressive and unjustified act of war would be unfair and illegal due to the following reasons:

a) Syria is a sovereign state that does not pose any threat to the United States of America;

b) The UN Security Council did not adopt such an action.

c) The UN Report about the terrible incident in Damascus Countryside – Ghotta- has not been formulated. No-one can even know whether it will include enough evidence for any claims and allegations.

d) On the contrary, the UN has already concluded that there is a very strong evidence that the fundamentalist terrorists from the al-Nusrah Front – a terrorist organization affiliated to al Qaeda- have used a poison gas against Syrian soldiers and innocent civilians. Consequently, any aggressive act against innocent and sovereign people, without any legal evidence, would be a criminal act breaching the principles of the International Law. While some of the western circles are offering all possible support to the fanatic Wahhabi rebels who were accused of committing crimes by the UN, which is surely a breach of your declared basic principles of justice.

We highly appreciate your moral feeling of sorrow at the images of the chemical attack victims. We the Syrians, are fully co-operating with the UN Investigation Team, Syrian experts are also investigating the question of who carried out this atrocity and sharing the UN Team with the results. We Parliamentarians, are determined to reach the truth and to bring the involved criminals to justice, regardless whoever they are.

In the meantime we urge you not to rush into any irresponsible reckless action. You have the power and the responsibility today to convert the United States of America from the war track to the diplomatic path. We hope to meet there, and to talk, as civilised peoples should. We adopt a diplomatic solution, as we realize that war would be a bloody destructive catastrophic track, which does not have any benefit for all nations.

In fact, the most important matter is that we all face the same terrorist threat. Attacking Syria and weakening its establishments and infrastructure would automatically strengthen the power of our common enemy, Al Qaida and its terrorist affiliates. Instead of fighting each other, we should be working together to fully implement UN Security Council Resolutions 1373 and 1624 against terror. Instead of being enemies, we should be walking the road to peace and truth together.

With Best Regards,
Speaker of People’s Assembly
MHD. Jihad AL-LAHHAM

September 7th, 2013, 2:59 pm

 
 

revenire said:

Majed these AMERICAN veterans are not afraid to say what they believe and put their real names down saying so. This isn’t your BS about Dempsey, your lies, but the REAL DEAL:

Obama Warned on Intel about Syrian
by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) / September 6th, 2013

Exclusive: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.” We have been down this road before – with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powell’s Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he peddled fraudulent “intelligence” to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled – or, at the least, very poorly advised. Secretary of State John Kerry departs for a Sept. 6 trip to Europe where he plans to meet with officials to discuss the Syrian crisis and other issues. (State Department photo) The fraudulent nature of Powell’s speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to “widen the discussion beyond … the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.” We offer you the same advice today…

Thomas Drake, Senior Executive, NSA (former)
Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)
Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan
Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)
W. Patrick Lang, Senior Executive and Defense Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.)
David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)
Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)
Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)
Todd Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General (ret.)
Sam Provance, former Sgt., US Army, Iraq
Coleen Rowley, Division Council & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)
Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

September 7th, 2013, 3:46 pm

 

ghufran said:

A U.S. strike would be self-wounding
By Kapil Komireddi, Special to CNN

To rid Syria of al-Assad’s dictatorship and prevent it from falling into the hands of jihadists who are cut from the same ideological cloth as the men who drove the planes into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, the United States may have to commit itself to Syria for more than a decade — fighting the jihadists, subduing al-Assad and his allies in Hezbollah, protecting Israel and preserving Lebanon’s fragile peace. After Afghanistan and Iraq, is there an appetite for such an enterprise anywhere?
Intervening in Syria will perhaps pacify Obama’s conscience. But in Syria, there’s every chance that it will escalate the conflict. Ultimately tantalizing the losing side in the Syrian civil war with a brief, punitive, “limited” entry on its behalf will only hasten the creation of conditions that will eventually suck America back into the conflict

September 7th, 2013, 3:52 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

#357….a strike would be self wounding …..but to the chosen people its a crusade according to a Congresswoman from Florida

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2013/09/as-a-jew-wasserman-schultz-invoked-holocaust-in-making-case-for-bombing-syria.html

September 7th, 2013, 4:06 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
You failed to come out with a single statement from any active general who spoke openly against the strike, further you made a fool of yourself by not knowing the difference between concernd,and against, no wonder someone said you have low IQ

September 7th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Protest at White House against Syria strikes

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/protest-at-white-house/805716.html

Waving signs and placards, some 200 protesters gathered at the White House on Saturday before marching to Capitol Hill, in a demonstration opposing possible US military strikes against Syria.

“Congressional offices are being flooded with calls, faxes and emails,” said Sarah Sloan, of the ANSWER Coalition – the group organising the protest – in a statement before the demonstration.

“Congressional officials report that by a margin of 100 to one, people are telling the elected representatives from their district that they should vote no on the war resolution,” she added.

September 7th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Human shields waiting authorization from Syria to enter

Volunteers to Serve as Human Shields in Syria
The ‘International Human Shields’ movement, plans to bring to Syria civilians from countries around the globe.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171654#.UiuIBjdk34s

The ‘International Human Shields’ movement, founded by a group of activists in Britain and the US, plans to bring to Syria civilians from countries around the globe, who will try to deter US strikes on the country by staking out potential military targets and serving as human shields there.

The British Telegraph said that Franklin Lamb, a lawyer recently appointed as the legal adviser for the group, said he had been “inundated” with requests from activists including from Canada, France, Italy, the US, and Britain.

The Syrian regime has not yet told the group whether it intends to let it enter the country.

Many of those volunteering to go to Syria also took part in the ‘Human Shields’ movement that traveled to Baghdad, initially to protect hospitals and schools, and later, key government infrastructure sites.

Ken O’Keefe, an ex-US Marine who gave up his American citizenship in disgust at Iraq war and who became a leader of that Human Shields group, told The Daily Telegraph that he has been acting as an adviser for this Syrian-focused movement.

“I have been sharing my experience with Mr Lamb. I have a feeling that if the Syrian government allows it, there would be a huge inundation of volunteers,” he said. “The policies of Britain and the US make no sense; we are aligning ourselves with the people who we were supposedly fighting in Iraq.”

September 7th, 2013, 4:11 pm

 

zoo said:

“The White House will get the votes it needs in Congress to pass a resolution in favor of military action in Syria?,
Grayson said no”

Grayson: All we really know about bombing Syria is that we don’t know what happens next
By David Ferguson
Saturday, September 7, 2013 16:03 EDT

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/07/grayson-all-we-really-know-about-bombing-syria-is-that-we-dont-know-what-happens-next/

In an interview with Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) laid out a case against military intervention in Syria and said that not only is the U.S. unlikely to affect the outcome of the current conflict between Syrian Pres. Bashar al-Assad, but that no one knows exactly what would happen after the raid.

“(T)here’s a substantial amount of hubris here,” alleged the Florida congressman. “They think they know where the targets are, they think they know how to hit it with enough force but not too much force, they think they know how the Russian and the Iranians will react. We cannot determine all this. On some level, we’re assuming the reaction from Russia and Iraq and Syria will be zero: We’ll carry out this attacks, and there’ll be no response.”

“This is a bit of a sensitive subject, but the administration has been honest that they have no smoking gun that the attack was ordered by Assad. The evidence of his involvement is circumstantial,” he continued. “We’re two years into a civil war that he’s winning. The Russians and Iranians have told him not to use chemical weapons. Hezbollah has told him not to use chemical weapons because their fighters are at risk. So he’s winning, there’s scant and circumstantial evidence that he ordered the attack. Why are we gaming out his incentives when we don’t know he ordered it?”

This position would fly in the face of the current conventional wisdom in Washington, which considers the chemical attacks an act of the Assad regime proper, not rogue elements within it.
..
When asked whether he believes that the White House will get the votes it needs in Congress to pass a resolution in favor of military action in Syria, Grayson said no. Not only is the administration losing the proposition in Congress, he said, but the public is also against it. With the public so closely watching the president’s decision, Grayson asserted, there will be no way to hedge or finesse the matter, either.

He asked, “When has the White House ever — ever — been able to turn around a vote? It hasn’t happened in the entire Obama administration; much less happened when the constituent mail is running 100-1 against. When nobody is paying attention, anything is possible. The president can offer you favors or employ moral suasion or enlist lobbies. But the public is watching and is extremely angry about the president’s position. In that kind of environment, the president doesn’t even have the tools.”

September 7th, 2013, 4:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Not to go on with the strike is a serious matter, which have serious consequences against US security
1- Persia will dare to test the US resolve, and will be encouraged to make nuclear bomb.
2- the rebels in Syria,when they see no response to CW use, they will seek to acquire CW, probably Jabhat Al Nusra can acquire these weapons and will use them.
3- Other countries will rush to manufacture CW, making it easy for AlQaida to acquire them,this means future terrorism will depend on the use of CW,this represent major threat to US security.
It is too late to stop

September 7th, 2013, 4:21 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

319. Hopeful said:

#311 Simohurtta

Iraq was a mess – everyone agrees on that. Many are to blame: US military incompetence, US intelligence failure, Iraq opposition lies, neighboring countries interference, Iraqi sectarian divide, jihadists, etc. But let us not forget the main cause of that mess: Saddam Hussain and his regime.

Similarly in Syria, there is plenty of blame to go around, but the main culprit remains Assad and his incompetent, corrupt and brutal regime. Let’s not forget that and allow him and his thugs to steer us away from that message.

Hopeful do you understand how idiotic you sound by admitting, that Iraq was total mess and then demanding actions against Syria using much of the same “reasoning” which were used in Iraq invasion. What guaranties can USA give that Syria will not become a even bigger mess than Iraq was. It can’t. The only guaranty USA can give is to its own military industry, that their turnover and profits will increase. The chance to limit the war from USA’s side to a couple of days cruise missile “lesson” are naive.

USA can’t give any guaranties, that Syria would in future be ruled in a better way what the present regime has done. The likelihood that the government which would emerge after years of internal fighting will be much more brutal and corrupt (religious dictatorship). Do you seriously believe, that this fragmented opposition and the countless criminal and religious militias could produce in a couple weeks/months security, order and a ruling system which even remotely resembles some kind of democracy? If you do you are like your nickname – hopeful. Hopeful like a person who says, that he will win in lotto next week.

September 7th, 2013, 4:25 pm

 

Syrian said:

From CNN
Disturbing video from Syria is shown by the Obama administration to US senators in an effort to justify military action.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/politics/2013/09/07/nr-vo-tapper-classified-congress-syria.cnn.html

September 7th, 2013, 4:34 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou said

In view of the smell and the length of you h-p, you apparently are very excited by your own delusion.

Yeah, I received many complaints about smelly posts;but only those that mention nus-lira/aoun zouzou. Once I almost got sewed for what people thought was a”fart bomb”, but that was a post that mentioned the troll.

September 7th, 2013, 4:35 pm

 

zoo said:

Youtube seems to be the main High Tech Intelligence source for the White House to show ‘proofs’ just like in High Tech satellite photos showed the Iraq “chemical weapons trucks” that started a war that killed millions.

Now is the US Congress seriously going to makes decision to kill people based on Youtube videos?

September 7th, 2013, 4:45 pm

 

zoo said:

Hammy

You don’t need to be “sewed”, you already live like other rodents of your kind in smelly “sewage” feeding yourself with sarin gas that Bandar Ben Sultan has stored there to keep it fresh for the next ‘attack’.
No wonder you h-p are so suffocatingly stinking.

September 7th, 2013, 4:50 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

336. Hopeful said:

#328 Zoo

I stand corrected.

In #314 you mentioned that a poll shows that 70% of Germans were against the strike. Doing the math, I assumed that 30% supported it.

But after your challenge, I did some digging, and found out that 23% of Germans support it according to the poll referenced below. Still a very high numbers for Germans in my opinion, but feel free to disagree.

Hopeful I was told, that there is a poll in which the clear majority of US citizens supported sending the whole Congress to Syria without a need to return them. Have you heard of this poll?

Anyway these “attack Syria” polls are infantile propaganda. The result depend totally of that what the questions asked are. The more general the question are the more support for the attack. The more exact and revealing the less popular. Asking “Should Assad be punished” would probably be rather popular. Asking the same in style “Should we punish Assad using our military” would be very unpopular. ETC.

September 7th, 2013, 4:52 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed

You are not up to date. The rebels have already used rebel-made Sarin several times , they did’nt wait for your permission.

Just ask Bandar Ben Sultan and the Ghouta inhabitants.

You said
“they will seek to acquire CW, probably Jabhat Al Nusra can acquire these weapons and will use them.”

September 7th, 2013, 4:56 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama plan for a ‘mini-war’: “amateurish, murky, contradictory, frustrating, incoherent, unconvincing… ”

Obama faces scepticism in Congress over plans to attack Syria
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1305844/obama-faces-scepticism-congress-over-plans-attack-syria

Analysts and lawmakers doubt the Obama administration can make good on its pledge that a strike will be of limited scope and duration
Sunday, 08 September, 2013 [Updated: 4:36AM]

The first week of US President Barack Obama’s bid to build political unity on Syria by bringing in Congress ended in near disarray, with top cabinet officers and Pentagon officials providing murky or even contradictory responses to inquiries from frustrated lawmakers and reporters.

Kerry also raised eyebrows when he testified that 15 per cent to 25 per cent of the Syrian opposition fighting Assad is made up of “bad guys” – radical Islamists, many with al-Qaeda ties. That range flew in the face of much higher figures provided to lawmakers by intelligence agencies.

The week’s lobbying has had such little success that authorisation for a strike would likely fail in Congress if the vote were today, as sceptical lawmakers consider heeding war-weary constituents who firmly oppose military intervention.

“I think for many, absent of being convinced, ‘no’ is going to be the answer” on Syria intervention, congressman Kevin Cramer said.

The Senate is expected to vote this week on allowing a limited attack, while the House is due to vote within the next two weeks.

September 7th, 2013, 4:59 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

bandar … again, it said.
sorry…. and again… and again… and again…..

September 7th, 2013, 5:14 pm

 

zoo said:

CNN says that Hollande by backing off has a good reason: a deal has been made that once the UN ‘preliminary’ report gives indication that the Syrians are behind the attack, then the whole EU will join the coalition. It is still not clear if that would result in military strikes.
The key question is will the UN report indicate clear cut and without any doubt who is behind the attack? The UN team original mandate was to determine the chemical nature of the toxic gas used in other locations. While the inspectors may have interviewed and investigated more what happened in Al Ghouta, they were not authorized by the UN to do so.
Logically, another UN team of military and balistiqc experts should be send back to Al Ghouta to make a thorough investigation.
Will the West follow that logical step or will try to skip it?
If the Congress say No ahead of the UN report, then the whole EU plans collapses and back to square one.

European dealmaking on Syria as U.S. tries to build coalition

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/07/world/europe/eu-syria-strikes/index.html

European diplomats say Hollande seemed to be left hanging when President Barack Obama decided to seek authorization for strikes from Congress. He is facing pressure from the French public and Parliament for a stronger international backing and U.N. imprint before taking military action in Syria.

European diplomats tell CNN that Hollande struck a deal with the European Union. In exchange for more European political support for action, he would wait for the U.N. inspectors’ report. That was the genesis of the E.U. statement, which now has all 28 countries on record.

Until now, just a few countries were even expressing support for such action, as evident by the fact only 10 countries joined the United States in signing onto the G-20 statement (France, the U.K. and Spain were the only European nations).

September 7th, 2013, 5:17 pm

 

Alan said:

American aggression on Syria will turn the table on the heads of the actors, and U.S. allies will burn with fire of this aggression. As for Israel, it will be more affected by it.
The war, inevitably, will not end with U.S. victory. There will be surprises and unforeseen things. The silence of the other party reinforced the confusion with the American administration.
Syrians understand well that they are in front of the battle and existence and will certainly take the initiative to break the case of no war and no-peace!

September 7th, 2013, 5:23 pm

 

zoo said:

Former U.S. Ambassador Cautions Against Attack on Syria
September 07, 2013 3:00 PM

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=220106490&ft=1&f=1003

Audio for this story from will be available at approximately 7:00 p.m. ET.

Peter Galbraith, U.S. ambassador to Croatia in the 1990s who was involved in the Croatia-Bosnia peace process, has made a career of studying conflict.
Historically a strong interventionist, Galbraith argues against military intervention in Syria and outlines possible alternatives.

September 7th, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

General Petraeus endorsed the strike against Assad

September 7th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 
 

Alan said:

U.S. administration go to an intensive campaign to win the support of the deputies Congress of African descent and the support of deputies from the Latin American assets and congressional deputies of the Jews!It hides the Americans the real cost of the war!They are lying by claiming that the war is limited and cosmetic!The war will be a big, serious and long-lasting!!
http://youtu.be/1wia0cw0Upk?t=8s

September 7th, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

ghufran said:

The videos that were leaked to CNN, on purpose, are not new and they do not tell who was behind the attacks or where the attacks were conducted, there are many holes in the story and I do believe that leaking the videos to CNN provides further evidence that Obama has little support among Americans and is trying to change public opinion in the next 2 weeks, but most Americans are already suspicious of their government and will now be more suspicious, no American believes that a US president should attack a foreign country that did not attack the US based on questionable evidence and unauthenticated videos which are rarely admissible in any international court. People want to see the evidence before they give Obama a green light to attack, many Americans think Obama is doing this to help himself and Israel not the average American.
Look, something terrible probably happened in Ghoutah and it needs to be investigated and those who are proven to have ordered or carried at attack with CW must be brought to justice, keep in mind that the victims of alleged attacks in Ghouta are less than 1% of victims of this war and that many atrocities went unpunished because most countries prefer to watch Syrians killing each other instead of spending money and risking lives to stop this insanity.

“General Petraeus endorsed the strike against Assad”
This is old news, the man wanted to bomb Syria since 2012, I am glad he got busy cheating on his wife.

September 7th, 2013, 5:38 pm

 

Alan said:

The majority of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans serving in Congress are lining up against President Obama’s plan for military action in Syria.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/operations/320823-congressional-vets-line-up-against-action-in-syria#ixzz2eFIdahCW

September 7th, 2013, 5:45 pm

 
 
 

revenire said:

YouTube videos? That’s Obama’s evidence? How stupid does he think the American people are?

September 7th, 2013, 6:01 pm

 

revenire said:

381. TARA said:

https://sphotos-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1229864_10100989862858967_1768062522_n.jpg

The children in Syria is asking the US to come and protect them.

===

The photo is of some middle-aged bald guy, probably in Qatar or KSA.

September 7th, 2013, 6:02 pm

 

zoo said:

12 U.S. Intelligence Officials Tell Obama It Wasn’t Assad
Posted on September 7, 2013 by WashingtonsBlog

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/09/12-u-s-intelligence-officials-tell-obama-it-wasnt-assad.html

By Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials

Editor Note: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

Precedence: IMMEDIATE

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

September 7th, 2013, 6:07 pm

 

Alan said:

Correct analogy: Bush was looking for a pretext to invade Iraq, Obama is looking for a pretext to bring down Assad.

This is exactly the argument the Bush adm. used in order to explain it’s aggression against Iraq.We know

Congress may yet save the U.S. from a big stupidity and big crime. Congress leadership-for hitting. But the sentiment “against” getting stronger.

USA pretend that an attack on Syria supports the entire world. Complete nonsense. – Against the “twenty”, most of the EU, part of the Arab League and the Pope

They said that Obama does not want to fight in Syria. This myth is destroyed by Obama. He finally turned into a “war president” – the second Bush

@Alexey_Pushkov
Chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the State Duma

September 7th, 2013, 6:11 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

When was the last time Ray McGovern entrusted with any intelligence, reliable or unreliable?

This is pathetic.

September 7th, 2013, 6:14 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

The videos that were leaked to CNN, on purpose

Smart… Brilliant…. why would one purposelessly release anything? beats me.

September 7th, 2013, 6:18 pm

 
 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

funny how nus-lira/aounites think. Success of the French president in making a deal with 27 other countries is viewed as failure. Wonder how many countries can nus-lira or the discredited general can make deals with. (We are not talking about drug smuggling deals with mafia gangs, we are talking about real sovereign countries)

Before I forget… it seems that DU is very popular…Wikipedea states:

The Russian military has used DU ammunition in tank main gun ammunition since the late 1970s, mostly for the 115 mm guns in the T-62 tank and the 125 mm guns in the T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90 tanks.

One wonders which tanks served in Afghanistan, which tanks are now serving in the dog-poop chemical athad army. No one has yet checked. We thank the russian agents on SC for reminding us to look these little “conveniently ignored” matters.

September 7th, 2013, 6:31 pm

 

Warren said:

It would appear that not all Pallies are ungrateful treacherous parasites. Some Pallies recognize the sacrifices Syria has made for them.

September 7th, 2013, 6:52 pm

 

revenire said:

“When was the last time Ray McGovern entrusted with any intelligence, reliable or unreliable?”

Like YouTube videos produced by Nusra? That kind of intelligence?

September 7th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

revenire said:

Libya Objects to Foreign Intervention In Syria

Libyan Foreign Minister Mohamed Abdulaziz has called upon the Arab League to reject the use of force against Syria outside the framework of international legitimacy. The minister’s stance has come as a great surprise to many. Those who enthusiastically back the strike wondered how a state whose new regime was established on the basis of foreign intervention can oppose a similar intervention in other Arab countries.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/2013/09/libya-objects-military-strike-syria-egypt.html#ixzz2eFbKqLcQ

September 7th, 2013, 6:59 pm

 

Alan said:

American officials have a track record of lying to start wars against other countries. This has been the consistent modus operandi of the US from Vietnam to Yugoslavia, and from Iraq to Libya.

Washington is threatening to attack Syria as a means of prolonging the fighting inside Syria. The US government also wants to have a stronger hand in the country’s future negotiations by restoring the balance of power between the Syrian government and America’s anti-government insurgent allies, thus weakening the Syrian military and ending its winning momentum against the insurgency. If not softening Damascus up for the insurgents, America wants to level the equation and undermine the Syrian government before a final negotiation takes place.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabians-chemical-bandar-behind-the-chemical-attacks-in-syria/5348464

September 7th, 2013, 7:02 pm

 

zoo said:

Reve

Libya knows too well what is the aftermath of Western attacks: Chaos and expansion of the islamists. But blinded by the crusade against elusive chemical gas, the West doen’t even want to know what happens after. They only want to satisfy their “moral outrage” and their ego.

September 7th, 2013, 7:06 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Spare us your sarcasm mr hamster, you know the leak had an evil purpose and not just for the sake of FOi, if Obama had a strong case for bombing Syria he would not need to unleash his employees all over TV to sell a car that is too expensive to own, Syria’s war.
I remain confident that Obama will either change his mind or perform a cosmetic strike.
There is a always risk for a wider war even with a small attack but I do not believe Assad will respond unless the attack crosses Assad’s own redlines,ie if he believes that his regime may collapse or sustain severe damage, that is still unlikely.

Erdugang lost his bid for the 2020 Olympic Games but he still can arrange for special Olympics for Nusra and the GCC bedouins.

September 7th, 2013, 7:07 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

dirty little carpet-bombing troll deflects issues. Busy sucking the rotten egg form last time, or was it a rotten military boot?

September 7th, 2013, 7:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Hammy

You have a lucrative deal with Saudi Arabia and Qatar: keep the h-p’s coming
Are rotten eggs your favorite food? you can’t stop talking about it.

September 7th, 2013, 7:09 pm

 

zoo said:

Listen to Peter Galbraith, U.S. ambassador to Croatia in the 1990s who was involved in the Croatia-Bosnia peace process, has made a career of studying conflict.
Historically a strong interventionist, Galbraith argues against military intervention in Syria and outlines possible alternatives.

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=220106490&m=220106485

September 7th, 2013, 7:20 pm

 

Ghufran said:

??? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? “???? ?????” ???? ????? ????? ??????.
????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ????????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? “???? ?????” ???????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? 26 ?? ???? ????? ???? ???? ????????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?? ??????? .
One untold story is the involvement of many corrupt security officers in arms smuggling and other activities that helped rebels, a lot of people did what they did to make money, most people today hate both sides in this war.

September 7th, 2013, 7:29 pm

 

zoo said:

If Obama looses the vote, there is something he is winning that is extremely valuable for the region. He would have made for once the Congress inflict a overreaching defeat to… Israel.

The message to Israel will be: There will be no attack on Iran or any if its allies unless it is proven they used WMD.
It is therefore time for Netanyahu to forget about threatening Iran and work seriously in the current negotiation with the Palestinians.

September 7th, 2013, 7:32 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

For The strike to be very successful, 10% of Assad supporting generals will die, and 90% of Assad remaining aircraft will be destroyed,and his two famous palaces will be leveled
And from now on Assad will live in hiding

September 7th, 2013, 7:32 pm

 

revenire said:

Al-Qaeda/Muslim Brotherhood ’embrace’ of love.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTmLLvECEAEv2Pj.png

September 7th, 2013, 7:36 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our behind-the-scenes benefactors, with sources implanted in the deepest recesses of covertness who can bring you the news before it happens authorized us to make this heads up public.

Hollande of France made it clear to various heads of states he met with recently that he will kill Ass-head for what he has done no matter what parliaments or congresses decide. Holande said this is his final decision and he has a plan to do it which he and Obama of America have agreed upon.

And just so you may know, the G20 meeting was not a total failure as many would have thought. Leaks have surfaced that a deal between Obama and Putin was discussed in which Obama would forget about the Snowden case in return for Ass-head’s head presented to the Americans onboard an MI 5 helicopter which will transport Ass-head from a Tartous naval base to a nearby US destroyer once Ass-head makes his final journey from Yaafour to the naval base aboard a Gazelle chopper when the bombs start falling.

It wasn’t lost on Mr. Obama that the proposed deal favors the Russian team more than the American. For it was obvious that the Russians were offering a dead dog walking for an agent packed with esppionage secrets that could have serious repercussions on US National security. In the end the Russians had to sweeten the deal and agree to offer more in the Syrian theatre. They were willing to allow the Americans free hand in shaping the future Syrian government without any Russian bickering. The Russians also figured out that it is best to allow the Americans to seek to rebuild a destroyed Syria since it has not much more to offer in terms of arms deals struck on credit ratings below CCC.

And so it came to pass. The greatest sell-out ever came to light, and Hollande will get to shoot the last bullet on Ass-head’s head courtesy of Putin’s airforce delivery services.

September 7th, 2013, 7:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Thank you Angela, can’t you keep your wild dogs home

German jihadis kill Syrian Christians
By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL, JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
09/08/2013 01:59

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/German-jihadis-kill-Syrian-Christians-325495

Expert says the number of German Islamists in Syria has increased from 60 to 150 in the last six months.

September 7th, 2013, 7:38 pm

 
 

zoo said:

Heads up

I have never seen a jellyfish shooting bullets.
I can’t wait to see Hollande doing it.

September 7th, 2013, 7:42 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

has zouzou ever come up with an original non-plagiarized attack?
man its answers are like a 6 years old child.

me: you suck because you said is a lie, and here is why (facts presented)
zouzou: no you suck, and you smell*

me: your arguments are stupid, and here is why…(clear explanation)
zouzou: you smell

me: athad is a dog-poop because it has no brain and acts like a poop
zouzou: no you are a smelly poop

at least SNK had a couple of originals, kept repeating them over and over and over, but darn it, they were original.

September 7th, 2013, 7:43 pm

 

zoo said:

@401 Majed

And how many non-sunnis civilians should die to make it even more successful?

401. majedkhaldoun said:

For The strike to be very successful, 10% of Assad supporting generals will die.

September 7th, 2013, 7:46 pm

 

zoo said:

#407 hammy

You are obsessed with rotten eggs. Did your father fed you with some when you were naughty?
No wonder you ended up by being a brainless hamster with smelly h-p..

September 7th, 2013, 7:49 pm

 

zoo said:

Tolerance for Christians to end if Assad deposed

September 7, 2013
http://www.examiner.com/article/tolerance-for-christians-to-end-if-assad-deposed

The fact that Syrian president Bashar al-Assad is an authoritarian dictator is well known and reported widely nearly every day in the mainstream media. What is not being reported is that Assad belongs to a Muslim sect that believes in tolerance toward other religions, such as Christianity.

Assad is an Alawite, a relatively small sect within Islam that comprises roughly 12 percent of the population of Syria. The Alawites are considered to be an offshoot of Shia Islam and are hated by nearly all of the major sects within the Muslim religion.

One of the main sticking points between the Alawites and the rest of Islam is the fact that the Alawites have a long history of living in close proximity to Christians in peace. This has been a characteristic of Syria for centuries and has continued under the Assad regime. Christians have been free to practice their religious beliefs and to live without fear of persecution.

Such tolerance is not a mainstay within the rest of Islam. Many of the Syrian rebels who currently fight to remove the Assad regime are extremists who belong to factions within Islam that wish to kill Christians and Jews, burning down their churches and synagogues. The very same scenario was at play in Egypt.

At the forefront of the Islamic extremists is the Muslim Brotherhood. Despite its attempt to portray itself publicly as a “moderate” group, the Brotherhood is the parent organization of al Qaeda, Hamas, and other violent Islamist groups that believe all “infidels” should be killed.

Of immense importance is the fact that to the Brotherhood, al Qaeda, and other sects within Islam, the Alawites are considered infidels as well, even worse than Christians and Jews. It is no wonder, then, that the Brotherhood, al Qaeda, the Sunnis, and other Islamic groups wish to oust Assad and obliterate the Alawites.

Thus, when it comes to extremist Muslims in Syria, the issue is not and never has been Assad’s atrocities. Were al Qaeda or the Brotherhood in power, those atrocities would be multiplied ad infinitum.

September 7th, 2013, 7:56 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Erdugang lost his bid for the 2020 Olympic Games but he still can arrange for special Olympics for Nusra and the GCC bedouins.

So did Spain,…. what was the name of their PM? ya shater….

Really I knew this was coming. I even told the Mrs, wait and see, the men7ebaakjis will start blabbering about Erdogan’s major defeat, and you’ll never hear a single ward about Madrid. You guys are such a predictable bouquet of headless horsemen.

September 7th, 2013, 7:57 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

I point at the moon, and the fool stares at my finger.
(Chinese Proverb)

September 7th, 2013, 8:15 pm

 

Syrian said:

“Tolerance for Christians to end if Assad deposed”
How come their numbers were cut in half pre 2011 under the leadership of Assad Jr.and Sr.and how did they survive for 1400 years before the 2Assads came down from the mountains?

September 7th, 2013, 8:22 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Japan hosted summer Olympics in 1964
Spain held summer olympics in 1992
Istanbul would have been a good choice but not when there is a war south of the borders with Turkey being knee deep in it.
For selfish reasons I would have preferred Istanbul, a wonderful city to visit, but not now even if the games are 9 years away.

September 7th, 2013, 8:30 pm

 

Syrian said:

After the ill advised move on Ma’aloula by the Qalmoan fighters,now Chemical Assad militia is trying to liberate Ma’aloula the same way they libreated Baba Ammer and half Darayya.
This is from the page of the republican Gaurds that changed its name to Damascus now
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3 hours ago ·
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????? “???? ????” ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ?#????? ??????? ?????? ??? ???????? ???? ?????? .

????? “???? ????” ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? .

??????? ??? ??? ??????? ?????

September 7th, 2013, 8:36 pm

 

zoo said:

After the defeat of his protege Morsi, here is another major defeat for Erdogan with the loss of the 2020 Olympics.
The next one will the collapse of his child and protege, the Syrian opposition, and the biggest defeat will be on 2014: the loss of his bid for the presidency.
Erdogan does not seem to be in good terms with God

September 7th, 2013, 8:56 pm

 

zoo said:

When are Jarba and the defected WMD expert supposed to appear in front of the Congress?
I cant wait to see that.

September 7th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

Ghufran said:

??? ????? ???? “???????” ?? ????? ?? ????? ?? ???? “???? ????? ??????” ?? ????? ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????.
????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?? “???? ????? ??????” ????? “???? ????? ????”? ??? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?? “???? ???????”? ???? ????. ????? ?? ????????? ?????? ???? ?????.
This has the signature of Nusra

September 7th, 2013, 9:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Report on the expectations of the rebel leaders in Turkey

Syrian rebels prepare for U.S. strike

Free Syrian Army rebels are concerned that a delayed U.S. military strike on the Assad regime could diminish their chance to capitalize on it — especially if it is not severe enough and does not prevent the regime from resuming air strikes. Clarissa Ward reports.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50154576n

September 7th, 2013, 9:11 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama will make 6 interviews on Monday and an address to the Americans on Tuesday as the vote is scheduled for Wednesday before the UN report.

The president does seem to expect the UN report to offer a casus belli as it will be incomplete and contested.
Therefore he is betting on the Congress.

September 7th, 2013, 9:21 pm

 

zoo said:

A special report for the “fans” of Elizabeth O’Bagy and the suspicious “Institute of War”

Shady PR operatives, pro-Israel ties, anti-Castro money: Inside the Syrian opposition’s DC spin machine

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Shady-PR-operatives-pro-I-by-Max-Blumenthal-Inside-Job_Intervention_Obama_Opposition-130907-836.html

During the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing on Syria on September 3, Secretary of State John Kerry and Senator John McCain both cited a Wall Street Journal editorial by Elizabeth O’Bagy to support their assessment of the Syrian rebels as predominately “moderate,” and potentially Western-friendly.

“She works with the Institute of War,” Kerry said of O’Bagy. “She’s fluent in Arabic and spent an enormous amount of time studying the opposition and studying Syria. She just published this the other day. Very interesting [Wall Street Journal] article, which I commend to you.”

Kerry added, “I just don’t agree that a majority are al-Qaida and the bad guys.”

What Kerry and McCain neglected to mention was that O’Bagy had been recently hired as the political director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force (SETF), a little known outfit that functions as a lobbying arm of the Syrian opposition in Washington.

Until today, O’Bagy had failed to note her role as a paid Syrian opposition lobbyist in her Wall Street Journal byline and did not note the position in her official bio at the Institute for the Study of War. Only after a storm of criticism did the Wall Street Journal insert a note in O’Bagy’s recent op-ed disclosing her paid position at SETF. O’Bagy was also compelled to amend her bio with a lengthy clarification about her work at SETF.

But her work at the Institute for the Study of War should have been enough to set off alarm bells.

“Logrolling for war”

The Institute for the Study of War’s (ISW) board of directors is led by William Kristol. Kimberly Kagan, the group’s president, was on General Stanley McChrystal’s strategic review team in 2009, advocating for a dramatic expansion of the US presence in Afghanistan. Her husband is Frederick Kagan, the AEI fellow who is the uncle of fellow neocon Robert Kagan.

In its 2011 annual report [PDF], the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) detailed its close working relationship with Palantir Technologies, a private surveillance firm contracted by Bank of America in 2011 in an unsuccessful plot to dismantle Anonymous and sabotage Glenn Greenwald.

The report listed New York Times reporter Michael Gordon as “ISW’s journalist in residence.” Back in January 2013, Gordon published an article pushing claims that Syrian army forces had used sarin gas, thus crossing Obama’s “red line” and triggering a US intervention. Noting that the State Department could not confirm the information in Gordon’s report, former Defense Intelligence Agency officer Pat Lang accused Gordon of “logrolling for war in Syria.”

Despite his past affiliation with a think tank dedicated to pushing for US intervention in Syria, Gordon remains on the Times’ Syria beat.
much more….

September 7th, 2013, 9:27 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors with their deep cover sources have been working hard behind the scenes and around the clock to bring to you the news before any one else does. They made this heads up available to us for release.

In an effort to gauge the Congress’ mood following the release of the incriminating videos, our team of deep cover implants explored the opinions of 300 congressmen about what they saw. The verdict was clearcut and unanimous. All 300 congressmen agreed that Mr. Obama has a slam dunk case to which they have to respond to positively when it comes to the vote sometime next week. The congressmen stated that they have a duty towards their conscieous not to let the horror perpetrated by Ass-head to go unpunished. They further stated that they will push for a revised resolution authorizing Mr. Obama to do whatever it takes in US power and its allies to make of Ass-head an example for future would-be despots. The congressmen also expressed their confidence that the American public would rally behind the Congress and President when it becomes fully aware of the depth and breadth of the atrocities perpetrated by Ass-head and his comrade gangs of Criminals Without Borders.

September 7th, 2013, 9:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrians close to the opposition are no more welcomed in Egypt.

Syrian refugees find hostility in Egypt

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-refugees-find-hostility-in-egypt/2013/09/07/fc54b832-17cc-11e3-961c-f22d3aaf19ab_story.html
….
The rebel Free Syrian Army, which Egyptian media has tied to the Brotherhood, is no longer seen as a friend to the Egyptian people, Bilal said. “People now look at us and say, ‘You are the traitors. You are the ones doing the killing in Syria.’?”

Syrian refugees say they are insulted and taunted on the streets, charged double for commodities and services, increasingly mugged and robbed, and are harassed by police. Many said they hope to leave.

Linked with Morsi backers

Two weeks before the coup, Morsi delivered a fiery condemnation of Assad and vowed to support the Syrian revolution — words that proved unpopular at home.

Since Morsi’s ouster, Egyptian television channels have reported that pro-Morsi sit-ins have been packed with Syrians. Some outlets attributed both the Syrian uprising and the rise of Morsi in Egypt to an American plot to destabilize the region. Government officials said the Brotherhood was “exploiting Syrian refugee youth” in its struggle against “the Egyptian people.”

September 7th, 2013, 9:35 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama appeals to public to back US mly force in Syria

Sunday, September 08, 2013
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-1-200670-Obama-appeals-to-public-to-back-US-mly-force-in-Syria

A Reuters/Ipsos poll this week said 56 per cent of Americans believed the United States should not intervene in Syria; only 19 per cent supported action.

September 7th, 2013, 9:38 pm

 

revenire said:

I remember the 2006 victory. That was only a few thousand rockets. You can imagine the rain of Hellfire that will come down now.

This might be the end of the Zionists once and for all.

September 7th, 2013, 9:46 pm

 

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September 7th, 2013, 10:12 pm

 

Syrian said:

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September 7th, 2013, 10:17 pm

 

Tara said:

Heart breaking videos! Can some one post individual links to the videos included in this article? Please !

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/500932/20130823/syria-chemical-attack-videos-gas.htm#.UivWC_q9Kc1

The one with the mother saying Goodbye to her dead child is very very painful.

September 7th, 2013, 10:23 pm

 

revenire said:

To Hell

September 7th, 2013, 10:23 pm

 
 

revenire said:

France Backs off Support for Syrian Strike

France backed away Friday from joining the U.S. in swift military action against Syria, isolating President Obama even more as he threatens limited strikes on the Damascus regime for its alleged use of chemical weapons.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/09/07/france-backs-off-support-for-syrian-strike.html?comp=7000023435700&rank=3

September 7th, 2013, 10:52 pm

 

revenire said:

Obama hints he may abandon Syria strike

President Barack Obama hinted Friday that he might not strike Syria if Congress rejects his authorization request.

“I’m not itching for military action… and if there are good ideas that are worth pursuing, then I’m going to be open to them,” he told one reporter who asked if he was seeking alternatives to a missile strike.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/06/obama-hints-his-may-abandon-syria-strike/#ixzz2eGZUzwOg

September 7th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Thanks very much.

All the while, Asma is celebrating the birthday of her alive child. 11,000 Syrian children were butchered by Assad since the beginning of the revolution.

http://syrianobserver.com/News/News/Asma+Celebrating+Daughters+Birthday+A+Slap+in+the+Face+for+Syrians

September 7th, 2013, 10:58 pm

 

revenire said:

What a great family the Assads are. So caring. They love Syria more than they love themselves.

September 7th, 2013, 11:09 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Armed men who are dying in Syria are called criminals or martyrs based on who is talking, I prefer to call them victims, except for foreign jihadists. This war needs to end even if that leads to the partition or semi partition of Syria. One has to ask what those victims from Bab Amr ( 7 of them) were doing when they stormed the little Christian town of maloula and who sent them to their unnecessary death. The cowardly attack on maloula did a lot of harm to the rebels cause and they gained nothing from it. Rebels did not only killed 8 soldiers they also killed and kidnapped 8 civilians, their names were published today. Western and local reports blamed Islamists for the attack, as usual the FSA is trying to take credit for something they did not do, it was a nusra terrorist who dentonated himself inside a car full of explosives that started the senseless attack on maloula, the news of the invasion of that Christian town angered so many Christians all over the world, the regime could not have done a better job in portraying rebels as Christians hating violent thugs.

September 7th, 2013, 11:22 pm

 

Ghufran said:

This had more than 22,000 viewers in 24 hours:
Jumanah gives McCain a piece of her mind:

September 7th, 2013, 11:40 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara.
Hafer paid for Hama’s kids with Basel and Amjad in his life time.She will go through the same suffering that the Syrian mothers are going through. all those celebrating their death,or those with their kids and grand kids around them making up stories or looking for technicalities to deny those who lost their families to have thier story told ,will go through some kinda suffreing where they won’t find anyone to feel thier pain.

September 7th, 2013, 11:41 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

from walls

September 7th, 2013, 11:51 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Syrian
Our martyrs died for free Syria, we will have memorial for them,and every martyr name will be written on it, Syrians will be proud of this revolution for hundreds of years to come.
Those criminals who died for Assad will be forgoten,
Assad like nero,like Hitler, ceausescu,Gaddafi, like all other dictators will be remembered for their crimes, people will spit on them, curse them,

September 8th, 2013, 12:17 am

 

Ghufran said:

As insecurity becomes the norm in many parts of Syria and as hundreds of militias roam the streets in large parts of Syria, new business opportunities emerge: private security firms. Welcome to the new Syria:
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September 8th, 2013, 12:17 am

 

Syrian said:

“private security firms. Welcome to the new ”
in other words,we are out of fighters we will hire mercenaries.

September 8th, 2013, 12:27 am

 

Syrian said:

Majed,
Notice how the FSA never hide the names of their fallen, and how the mafia regime never acknowledge thier dead,they are already forgotten, chemical Assad did not even go to his brother in law funeral or his assassinated defense minster.
Ours are always in our heart and their families on our mind forever

September 8th, 2013, 12:40 am

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

Video including footage from RT showing the shelling of Ma’lula by Assad forces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll9fVpmsX9A#t=134

September 8th, 2013, 12:50 am

 

Hopeful said:

#364 Simohuttra

“Hopeful do you understand how idiotic you sound by admitting, that Iraq was total mess and then demanding actions against Syria using much of the same “reasoning” which were used in Iraq invasion. What guaranties can USA give that Syria will not become a even bigger mess than Iraq was. It can’t. The only guaranty USA can give is to its own military industry, that their turnover and profits will increase. The chance to limit the war from USA’s side to a couple of days cruise missile “lesson” are naive.”

First, where did you see in my post a “demand” for action against Syria? My point was that if an action happens, I will blame the regime for it first and foremost.

Second, yes Iraq was a mess, for all the reasons I stated in the post (which starts with Saddam), but that does not mean all military interventions will end up in a mess. I believe Kosovo and Bosina were successful and much-needed interventions.

Thirdly, of course there is no guarantee that things will be better after the strike. But I will rephrase what one young man in Syria once told me: there is no guarantee that things will get better after the revolution wins, but at least we will have a chance to try to make things better. Before the revolution, the only guarantee we had was that things WILL NEVER be better under this regime.

September 8th, 2013, 1:03 am

 

don said:

The White House’s Syria secrets

John Kerry was making his “beyond a reasonable doubt” case against Syria’s Bashar Assad last Wednesday when he gave lawmakers a bit of faulty intelligence.

“Just today, before coming in here, I read an email to me about a general, the minister of defense, former minister or assistant minister, I forget which, who has just defected and is now in Turkey,” the secretary of state testified before the House Foreign Affairs Committee. “And there are other defections that we are hearing about because of the potential that we might take action.”

A few minutes later, Kerry revised his account: This official-sounding “email” was actually a Reuters news account about a former defense minister based on a claim by the Syrian opposition. “Reuters has now said the Syrian government is saying the defection has not taken place,” Kerry said. “So who knows whether it has or hasn’t?”

Who knows?!!!

This is the problem with the case the Obama administration is making for attacking Syria.

Estimates of collateral damage? “Lower than a certain number which I would rather share with you in a classified setting,” Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told lawmakers.

Response of the Arab and Muslim countries? “This is something I’d be happier discussing in greater detail with you in the closed session,” Kerry said.

Safeguards to keep military action limited? “We can talk about that in a closed session,” Dempsey said.

How would Russia and other Syrian allies respond to a U.S. strike? “We all agree that that would be best handled in a classified session,” Kerry said.

No, we don’t all agree.

Arming the Syrian opposition? That “would require a closed or classified hearing.”

The broad effects of the military strike? “I would prefer to speak out in a classified setting.”

Could Hezbollah have chemical weapons? “We need to talk about that in our classified session.”

Would allies join an attack? It “would not be appropriate to speak about in an unclassified setting.”

Could an attack make Assad use chemical weapons again? “I urge you to go to the classified briefing.”

At Wednesday’s hearing, Kerry said that “beyond a reasonable doubt, the evidence proves that the Assad regime prepared this attack.”

He then dangled this: “In an appropriate setting, you will learn additional evidence which came to us even today.”

But isn’t it “appropriate” for the American public to see some hard evidence? During Tuesday’s Senate hearing, Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass., asked for the administration to “declassify a higher percentage of the information that we have so the American people and the international community can see it.”

Kerry said that the amount declassified is “unprecedented” and that what’s out there now is “sufficient.”

He may think so. But it’s not sufficient until the American public believes it.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/00redesign/opinion/op-ed/the-white-house-s-syria-secrets/article_51df777a-6ff2-58cc-a1ef-bfcd71595b47.html

September 8th, 2013, 1:26 am

 

don said:

This one had 250,000 viewers so far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzH7BxFEzDs

This one had 68,000 viewers so far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOapBU5eZHA

436. Ghufran said:
This had more than 22,000 viewers in 24 hours:
Jumanah gives McCain a piece of her mind:

September 8th, 2013, 1:44 am

 

Hopeful said:

#443 Syr.Expat

Of course the regime will shell the rebels, hit the churches, and blame the rebels for destroying Maaloula. These idiots are handing the regime a great PR victory, at a time when Obama needs to rally public opinion to support his intervention in Syria. The people who decided to “invade” Maaloula now are either complete morons or are idiots used by the regime to do exactly that.

Many on this board do not like it when I criticize the rebels and opposition. But I have to agree that one reason this struggle has taken so long is because of the mistakes the opposition has made throughout the past 2.5 years. Assad said in his latest interview that he would not discuss/debate his own mistakes until after the war is over. I believe the opposition should do much better and debate its mistakes publicly and openly – starting with tolerating the foreign jihadists and their insane ideology.

September 8th, 2013, 1:59 am

 

Hopeful said:

Who are the victims of the chemical attack?

The videos clearly show faces of many of the victims of the attack:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/07/politics/us-syria-chemical-attack-videos/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Has anyone come across any web articles. blog posts, facebook pages, youtube videos, etc., identifying any of these victims?

September 8th, 2013, 2:25 am

 

revenire said:

At the G-20, Obama’s Syria Efforts Take a Hit as Putin Gains Support

The clearest blow to U.S. coalition-building at the summit came from the leaders of the E.U. In a briefing on Thursday afternoon, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso said the Syrian conflict was a “stain on the world’s conscience,” but stressed that the E.U. believes in a “political solution” to the crisis. Standing beside him, E.U. President Herman van Rompuy drove this point home. “There is no military solution to the Syrian conflict. Only a political solution can end the terrible bloodshed,” he said. Of all E.U. members, he added, “only France is ready to cooperate” with the U.S. on a military strike. So Europe’s joint statement at the G-20 would urge the U.N. Security Council to deal with the crisis politically, he said, echoing a point that Putin has long been making.

http://world.time.com/2013/09/05/at-the-g20-obamas-syria-efforts-take-a-hit-as-putin-gains-support/#ixzz2eHPhC5K7

September 8th, 2013, 2:25 am

 

revenire said:

Hopeful just make up names. That’s the whole idea.

September 8th, 2013, 2:26 am

 

revenire said:

People of the US hate McCain. You see it at his town hall meetings. He is an evil man.

September 8th, 2013, 2:29 am

 

Sami said:

Hopeful,

“Has anyone come across any web articles. blog posts, facebook pages, youtube videos, etc., identifying any of these victims?

So far the VDC has compiled a list of 620 names with corresponding pictures identifying the martyrs, the list is updated weekly.

http://www.vdc-sy.info/index.php/en/martyrs/1/c29ydGJ5PWEua2lsbGVkX2RhdGV8c29ydGRpcj1ERVNDfGFwcHJvdmVkPXZpc2libGV8ZXh0cmFkaXNwbGF5PTB8Y29kTXVsdGk9MTV8c3RhcnREYXRlPTIwMTMtMDgtMjB8

September 8th, 2013, 3:00 am

 

Juergen said:

BILD, one leading german newspaper has today published an interesting article.
They have summoned some information which leaked last weeks briefing of the parliament.

The german espionage ship “Oker” has collected phone calls between local military commanders and the high command in Syria. The commanders asked according to the report many times for a chemical attack on rebel hold areas, such pleas were always declined, also the order for the 21st of August attack was probably not given by Assad himself.

The german intelligence chief Gerhard Schindler (BND) has given a briefing for the security council of the german Parliament last week. Asked by the politicians whether we witness the end battle in Syria now, he used the comparison of Stalingrad.

“For the rule of the Alawite minority in Syria, which Assad belongs to, Damascus has a similarly high symbolic meaning as Stalingrad was for the Soviet Union under Stalin.”
Asked how long the war could long, he answered: “that could go on for years.”

September 8th, 2013, 3:52 am

 

Juergen said:

Reve

you should rejoice, the Nazis are demonstrating nowadays for Assad here- just a handful, but hey, we can make a bargain, I organize an flyout to happy basharland for these d***heads.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=585345811504492&set=a.512021808836893.1073741828.512020392170368&type=1&theater

September 8th, 2013, 3:55 am

 

Alan said:

Jurgen
your comment is a chronic condition of madness
The west is suffering from hysteria and blockage in the awareness and Bankruptcy!

September 8th, 2013, 5:15 am

 

apple_mini said:

I do hope the world will take this momentum of against any foreign military strike and intervention and elevate it to a powerful drive to end the war. At least give peace a chance.

The biggest hurdle is US policy. Its hitman in GCC and Turkey can be reined in just by pulling the leashes. John Kerry has been very vocal of hard-lined approach on Syria. His ambition is like a kite flying high. Yet his clumsy personal characters and conscience is like wild hog keeping wallowing in mud. His belligerent and vile obsession of military prowess contradicts his appointed role as someone in charge of foreign affairs of the most powerful country in the world. That kind of mindset even shocks Dempsey who is in charge of military affairs of US.

Only a moderate SOSD replacing Kerry might be able to make progress on Syria crisis.

We dare those handful leaders defy the united calls for Hands off Syria. This time people will win. And this will have long lasting impact and influence on modern history.

September 8th, 2013, 5:36 am

 

Alan said:

Syrian rebels post image of burning U.S. Capitol

As debate grows over the extremism of some armed factions battling to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime, an incendiary illustration on the Facebook page of one such group leaves little doubt where its leaders envision the uprising ending – with masked Islamic fighters marching through Washington, D.C., as the U.S. Capitol burns in the background.

The image is one of eight photos posted on the official Facebook page of the “Al-Aqsa Islamic Brigades,” a small armed Sunni rebel faction fighting with the Free Syrian Army, the main umbrella military organization of the opposition forces. Two other photos posted on the group’s page feature the widely recognized black flag of the al Qaeda in Iraq terrorist group, which operates freely in Syria.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/syrian-rebels-post-image-of-burning-u-s-capitol/

September 8th, 2013, 5:37 am

 
 

Alan said:

Fabius!
European jihadists are learning to use chemical weapons against civilians in Syria; soon they will use their skills against Europe.

Ils braquent un Quick pour financer leur jihad en Syrie
http://www.planet.fr/societe-ils-braquent-un-quick-pour-financer-leur-jihad-en-syrie.451129.29336.html

September 8th, 2013, 6:02 am

 

Syrialover said:

Little Bashar meets Gaddafi, while Daddy Hafez looks on proudly – photo from the archives.

Bashar with the role models he believes would be deeply proud of him today.

(Is that Bassel there as well? One day there’ll be reunion for all four in hell.)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=292165977510511&set=a.101506976576413.1946.101315439928900&type=1&theater

September 8th, 2013, 6:28 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

The west is suffering from hysteria and blockage in the awareness and Bankruptcy!

If i only had a penny for each time a mouthpiece blabbered this pathetic schizophrenic phrase, ir one of its endless variations, i would be able to finance a full cycle of US election. And perhaps there will be left-over to buy most of the senior officials in Russia.

Perhaps the agent cares to explain why is Russia trying so desperately to catch up with the “bankrupt west”?.

September 8th, 2013, 6:46 am

 

Hopeful said:

#400 Zoo

I disagree. This has nothing to do with Israel and Iran. Congress simply does not see Syria as something that affect the national security of the United States. Assad never threatened Israel in any meaningful way, and he is now reaping a reward in Congress who does not see him as a threat to the US. Iran, on the other hand, had directly threatened to wipe Israel off the map, and at the same time is developing nuclear weapons. Israel’s security affects directly the US’s national security, and therefore you will see a completely different response when it comes to that issue.

Having said that, Congress always only considers short-term national security issues, whereas the President considers both the long-term and the global responsibility of the United States as a super power. This is exactly why Clinton decided to go ahead and attack the Serbs in Kosovo despite both Congress’s and the Public’s opposition. Those lessons will not be lost on Obama.

I am hearing/reading rumors that there is behind-the-scene diplomacy and deal making regarding a settlement. I do hope it is the case. A serious threat of attack sometimes bear more fruit than the attack itself. I do not wish for the attack to happen, for the sake of Syria and for the sake of the US, but the “paralysis” on the ground has to be shaken, and I am 100% sure that it is the regime who committed this atrocity. (Just so that you do not jump on it, I am not claiming that the rebels did not commit other atrocities – perhaps chemical ones too – but not this one. Credit for this one goes to Assad’s thugs).

If Obama attacks, I support him, both as a US citizen and as a Syrian citizen.

September 8th, 2013, 7:01 am

 

Syrialover said:

With every post from APPLE_MINI I hear a voice wistfully, longingly singing the song of the Damascus bourgeoisie. The people depicted here:

http://www.maysaloon.org/2013/09/a-eulogy-for-damascus-bourgeoisies.html

Little Apple, you and all those others have to move on.

September 8th, 2013, 7:09 am

 

Juergen said:

strong words from Rafik Schami

“In the chaos, the dictatorship is the best organized force. ”

Rafik Shami was born in 1946 in Damascus. In 1971 he moved to Germany and studied chemistry in 1979 and put his doctorate. Today he lives in Marnheim (Pfalz). He is one of the most important German language authors. His work has been translated into 27 languages. Since 2002, Rafik Shami is a member of the Bavarian Academy of Fine Arts.

translated:

“The Syrian people wanted to breathe free, only live without fear. Forty years, the Assad clan enslaved and robbed the country. The West looked to not only but also helped with technical and military means, so that the regime remained as it was. Poison gas, internet technology, listening devices, missiles and advanced weapons would never have been possible without Russia, China and the West in the hands of the regime.

Since the first shot at protesters and a half years have passed. Meanwhile, the revolution has gone into a civil war. Revolutions suddenly come into the world, but they are slowly dying. Only the people rebelled six months peacefully, then soldiers split from the Syrian army and protected the demonstrators, then poured different groups of Islamists added to take advantage of the favorable moment, the largest group itself has contributed to the regime to do so. Islamist prisoners were released and armed to the intelligence so that they lead to confusion, division and chaos.”

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stern.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Frafik-schami-zum-buergerkrieg-in-syrien-der-freiheit-wuerdig-sein-2055880.html

September 8th, 2013, 7:49 am

 

Syrialover said:

HOPEFUL, a voice of sanity.

Reason.

Realism.

Optimism.

Stay with us.

September 8th, 2013, 7:49 am

 

Syrialover said:

– We must keep faith with millions of people in Arab world who want the dignity & freedom we have in our country.

– What want is a transitional gov drawn from the regime & opposition & the introduction of democracy in Syria.

Above are the latest tweets from the British Foreign Office (https://twitter.com/foreignoffice)

Now, let’s hear the brilliant and inspiring thoughts on offer from the Russian and Iranian Foreign Affairs Ministries.

Waiting, waiting …. the world is waiting.

To hear more of the dark, destructive and deadend vision these foreign totalitarian “governments” have for Syria.

September 8th, 2013, 8:15 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

JUERGEN,
Rafik Schami’s point of view on the role of the regime in arming the terrorist gangs and using them as its extension has also been considered, in details, in OTW’s recent post on WALLS

In the meantime, anyone heard much about the reported dramatic increase in suicide among die-hard loyalist soldiers in assad’s army?

September 8th, 2013, 8:20 am

 

Alan said:

war propeller
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BToeK2FIUAAcZLH.jpg
Wall Street Journal correspondent Adam Entous said in an interview with Democracy Now TV on Friday that Prince Sultan is already leading a covert campaign with the CIA to support the Takfiri militants operating in Syria.

September 8th, 2013, 8:31 am

 

Alan said:

/And perhaps there will be left-over to buy most of the senior officials in Russia./

These are the limits of the Western mentality!
Hamad and came after him Bandar missionaries from the United States and the result is clear to you! You have people sold and bought and track your history in this backward mentality!

September 8th, 2013, 8:40 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

So Apple Mini wants to oust John Kerry, next Apple will ask to replace Obama.

September 8th, 2013, 8:53 am

 

Tara said:

Hands Off Syria needs to shut up

10913 children slaughtered by Assad since the start of the revolution.  Among them 2305 were below age 10.  530 children were either summarily executed or slaughtered with knives.  9000 children below age 18 were arrested by the regime.  Lots of them were tortured.  79 died of torture.  Torture method used were similar to the ones used on adults such us causing rib fractures, pouring boiling oil on the skin, cutting the ears off, and using metallic forceps to remove human flesh.   

http://www.aljazeera.net/Home/GetPage/c54c246c-3a58-42e6-8ebc-076c30f509ce/544a0f3f-2428-4723-83b9-682aaf06005a

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September 8th, 2013, 8:57 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Russia is buying Dubai
US is buying Russia
China is Buying the US.

Darn it, in the end, ALAN, who may own a laundered money apartment in Dubai, is itself owned, indirectly, by a chinese farmers’ collective on the borders with Mongolia.

September 8th, 2013, 8:57 am

 

Syrialover said:

MAJEDKHALDOUN, don’t be concerned by APPLE_MINI’s comments.

Little Apple wants the entire world to stop, to shut down, to go away. He just wants those elite shops and the rest of his dream world in Damascus to be left alone.

There’s a guide to his thoughts and feelings here: http://www.maysaloon.org/2013/09/a-eulogy-for-damascus-bourgeoisies.html

September 8th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

Observer said:

This is a superb article about Syria from Sadek Jalal Azm published in Dimashq a London based web site.

It is meant for Tara and Syrian Hamster and Syria Lover and Syrian and Hopeful especially. I also would like Mjabali to comment on it if he agrees to.

I doubt Ghufran will comment but the analysis is superb

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September 8th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

Alan said:

I’m happy for the English! at the end, some of their voices became a law for UK !

Today we are witness to the emergence of new changes in the Western world! the whole world is up! Bravo! here it is the most natural western spring!

Britain has banned the U.S. to use its air force base in the operation against Syria
U.S. aircraft are prohibited from using British military bases to strike at Syria, ITAR-TASS reported. The ban came Air Force Base Akrotiri in Cyprus and the long-range strategic air base of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean……

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September 8th, 2013, 9:16 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALAN, our expert on matters Russian.

What is Putin’s response to this statement from the British Foreign Office?

“We must keep faith with millions of people in Arab world who want the dignity & freedom we have in our country.”

(https://twitter.com/foreignoffice)

Has he got a counter-comment?

September 8th, 2013, 9:18 am

 

Syrialover said:

ALAN, now’s your chance to make Putin shine.

What does he think of this proposal from the British Foreign Office?

“What we want is a transitional gov drawn from the regime & opposition & the introduction of democracy in Syria”

(https://twitter.com/foreignoffice)

September 8th, 2013, 9:23 am

 

Alan said:

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Kou Kou !!!
Turkish and British fighters were alerted and went to the borders of Syria. The reason for departure were unidentified planes …

September 8th, 2013, 9:33 am

 

apple_mini said:

As expected, given enough time the lies and exaggeration provided by US administration are gradually exposed and debunked, in particular those hypes and shameless claims done by John Kerry.

In the last several days, some main stream media started to publish doubts about the direct link between Assad and his inner core to the CW attack in Ghouta.

Today intel picked up by German intelligence was reported and it clears the connection.

My personal guess is that some rogue commander in SAA ordered the attack and even that was miscalculated. Hence we saw heavy casualties among civilians.

Nevertheless, we do hope the culprit will be held responsible and be punished.

Kerry and US government deliberately omit the arguments whether Assad is directly responsible. They intentionally blur the lines to demonstrate the chain of commands in order to serve their agenda.

The moral obscenity of US government just keeps piling up.

September 8th, 2013, 9:36 am

 

revenire said:

Is Putin a member of Syria Comment? That would explain how Matt and Josh knew Assad was living on a Russian ship.

September 8th, 2013, 9:42 am

 

Alan said:

483. REVENIRE
LLLOOOOOOLLLLLL !!!!

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

revenire said:

Apple – I can’t imagine any Syrian commander stupid enough to use chemical weapons knowing it would only give a reason to the US to attack. That would be suicide.

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

To say there is no military solution(MS) for the conflict in Syria is wrong, they should say we are for political solution(PS) not military solution.US does not want for either side to win militarily.

Political solution depends on the military power for each side, change the balance of military power will directly effect the political solution.

Arrogance on either side is the cause of MS, arrogance is due to ideology or believes,one side believes in freedom and democracy, the other side believes in dictatorship and dominance, there is no compromise between the two believes, political solution requires compromise, so political solution is only a temporary arrangement(transitional period),or postponing the end

September 8th, 2013, 9:44 am

 

Syrialover said:

REVENIRE, why are you mocking ALAN?

His job is to channel and represent Putin here and he is proud of it.

Let him answer my serious questions for Putin without your space-wasting childish antics.

September 8th, 2013, 9:54 am

 

???? said:

I look forward to Bisho’s first tape recorded speech 🙂

September 8th, 2013, 10:00 am

 

Syrialover said:

#482. APPLE_MINI

Are you trying to tell us now that Bashar isn’t in control and responsible for the burning and gassing of Syria being done in his name?

Do you see little Bashar standing there in short pants in a puddle of piss looking anxious and saying “teddy did it” ?

I think it’s because he can’t grow a moustache that you dismiss and disrespect his role as a powerful “leader”.

September 8th, 2013, 10:05 am

 

Alan said:

Syria: The Cost of Irresponsibility
http://journal-neo.org/2013/09/07/rus-siriya-masshtaby-agressii-i-otvetstvennost/
….
It’s crystal clear now that there’s no stopping the American war machine, that has decided to crush the Assad regime no matter what. All the attempts to reason the White House warmongers by saying that they are crossing all the red lines in the world will fall flat. It’s the help of Iran and Hezbollah that can make a change for Syria in the face of all-in military assault. But if Assad should really fall, it will change nothing. The Iraqi-like civil war will last for years to come and should the former pro-Assad fighters resort to subversive activities at home and abroad, blowing the American, Turkish, Israeli, Qatari and Saudi cities, a word “terrorist” won’t be applied to them. They will be the patriots striking back at the heart of ruthless aggressor’s lair, just like the Belarusian, Polish and French guerrilla were fighting the Nazi. This will put an end to the anti-terrorist activities worldwide, since the word itself will lose its meaning. If it hasn’t lost it already due the United States that have been fighting alongside Al-Qaeda and Taliban in the Syrian conflict, obeying the will of the countries that have been supplying terrorists for decades. The heritage of 9.11 is now all but forgotten.

Mr. Obama clearly fails to understand what he is up to. The total chaos on a worldwide scale, the extinctions of all norms of international conduct, the decay of international law and a final blow to the UN as a place to communicate and reason – this is the outcome of his actions that will serve a doubt-proof excuse for all those willing to attack the European and the American cities, for those who are willing try to destroy the global economy as it is, those willing to establish a total Wahabiite rule across the Arab world. They are there, waiting to get an excuse for their future actions…

These days even a cold mind can easily believe the Nostradamus predictions, feel uncomfortable about the Mayan calendar, since the world these days can easily come to an end. The horsemen are coming and people soon will be fighting for food, water, ethnicity, religion, regime change, borders, pretty much for everything in the absence of international norms. And there will be only one country, one person left to blame.

There’s still time, but in order to stop this mayhem the world should say “no” to war in Syria, not only for the sake of Syrian people, but for the sake of all people worldwide

September 8th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

Tara said:

So now the loyalists admit that the regime committed the chemical massacre but in an effort to save Batta, they are placing the blame on rogue elements within the regime that acted on their own to exonerate dear leader.

I find that a more compelling reason for the west to intervene militarily. Syria has the largest stockpile iof chemical weapons in the world and Assad can’t control his own commanders who have used it against Syrian children and in the future can sell it to another rouge elements that can use it against Israel.

Please continue to shoot your self in the foot. Your stupidity is staggering.

September 8th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

revenire said:

The People of Syria Support President Bashar al-Assad
From our Dear friend Qussay

Let me tell you about my beloved SYRIA …

Syria … the land of Jasmine and Roses … their fragrance lingers on you while you walk the ancient roads of Damascus the oldest city in the world … Syria … the land of peace and harmony … Syria … the home of the Profits and prophesies … Syria … the home of Jesus and Mohammad … Syria … the land where the Church and the Mosque stand hand in hand … Syria … the Nation where the State’s head Islamic reference is assisted by a Christian adviser … the land where History started … and where History is going to end … Syria … the home of generosity … Hospitality … and kindness … !!!

Syria … is where every guest is welcomed and pampered … Syria … is every genuine smile … handshake … and invitation you receive when visiting … Syria is Freshness … fresh food … fresh breeze … fresh water … fresh smiles … !!!

Syria … the Den of the Lions … the home of a young … educated … kind … brave … courageous … peace loving … patriotic … faithful and honorable leader by the name of Dr. Bashar AlAsad … !!!

A leader who has rebuilt Syria … who encouraged education … who fought literacy … who insured free schooling … free medical treatment … who raised the national budget from 43 Billion Syrian Pounds to over a Trillion Syrian Pounds within 10 years … a leader that increased minimum wage for the Syrian worker 3 times within 10 years from almost 3.5 thousand S.P a month to almost 15 thousand S.P a month … !!!

Syria a country free of DEPT !!! a country that is totally self sufficient … starting from a little screw to the car … a country that survives on it’s own food and produce … Syria … is one of the few countries in the world where you buy bread and Fuel at a price of 1/3 of it’s cost … !!!
For God’s sake … is this a country that deserves to be hurt … ???
Is this a leader that deserves to be fought … ???

To all of you out there … open your minds … open your eyes … open your ears … after all this … do you think you live in a better country … ???

And do you have a leader more loving and more patriotic than ours … ???

I assure you not … !!!

It is actually your leaders that should step down … for all the harm they have done to you … your Economy … your International reputation and relations … !!!

They are making the whole world hate you … !!!

So Please wake up and do something for your country and yourselves … !!!

This is Damascus …

The Den Of The Lions …

So Keep Your Filthy Hand Off Of It …

Qussay …

—Shaima

September 8th, 2013, 10:17 am

 

revenire said:

Tara’s hatred is only matched by her ignorance.

If memory serves, the nation with the largest stockpile of chemical weapons on Earth is the USA.

The US used these chemical weapons in Iraq just a few short years ago (after Bush lied about WMDs and over a million Iraqis died).

Syria never signed the CWC. It is a sovereign nation. If attacked it should use whatever weapons it has to defend itself. This would also be the perfect time to use them on any, and all, armed opposition groups inside Syria. Make the American allies inside Syria suffer. Annihilate them.

Isn’t that what anyone would do if someone was coming to kill them?

Of course it is.

It is called the right to self-defense. The US has nothing to say. They dropped the atomic bomb on the Japanese. They used napalm on Vietnamese women and children. They will use giant ‘smart’ bombs to murder Syrians. Syrian women and children will be torn to a million pieces by American bombers. Syria has the right to defend herself with any weapon it has. Obama doesn’t run Syria. Assad does.

Give the order Dr. Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 10:24 am

 

revenire said:

I believe everyone here, no matter what side they are on, remembers the American lies about Iraqi chemical weapons that led to a war where over one million died through the combination of savage bombing and genocidal sanctions against the Iraqi people.

The Americans knew they were lying before they started the war.

It is the same today in Syria. Obama knows that neither Assad, nor his generals, ordered any attack with chemical weapons.

Everyone here knows it too.

September 8th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

If the senate passes and alllows the strike it does not matter for Obama when the house declines, The president can go on with the strike, Senate support guaranttees there would not be impeachment of Obama if he strikes.
Then comes the outcome, if Assad becomes weak as the results of the strike, and lose, all members of the house who oppose the strike will be in very embarrassing situation when re election comes
A strong detering strike is the only choice for Obama

BTW I agree that calling the strike equal to AlQaida airforce is ” cheap line to garner headlines”as Adam Kenzinger said

September 8th, 2013, 10:42 am

 

zoo said:

Al Ghouta: The SNC has only identified 395 victims many by only their first name. The question is: If they are from the village, why can’t each of the ‘1459’ victims be fully identified? These are some of the many mysteries of that attack that the US prefer to ignore.

Doubts linger over Syria gas attack evidence

http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Doubts-linger-over-Syria-gas-attack-evidence-4796441.php?cmpid=usw

The Obama administration says 1,429 people died in 12 locations mostly east of the capital, an estimate close to the one put out by the Western-backed Syrian National Coalition. When asked for victims’ names, however, the group provided a list of 395. On that list, some of the victims were identified by a first name only or said to be members of a certain family. There was no explanation for the hundreds of missing names.

In Ghouta, Majed Abu Ali, a spokesman for 17 clinics and field hospitals near Damascus, produced the same list, saying the hospitals were unable to identify all the dead.

Casualty estimates by other groups are far lower: The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says it only counts victims identified by name, and that its current total stands at 502. It has questioned the U.S. number and urged the Obama administration to release the information its figure is based on. The AP also has repeatedly asked for clarification on those numbers.

The humanitarian group Doctors Without Borders says it has not been able to update its initial Aug. 24 estimate of 355 killed because communication with those on the ground around Damascus is difficult. That estimate was based on reports from three hospitals in the area supported by the group.

Moreover, the group, whose initial report was cited in U.S. and British intelligence assessments, has rejected the use of it “as a justification for military action,” adding in a disclaimer published on its website that the group does not have the capacity to identify the cause of the neurotoxic symptoms of patients nor the ability to determine responsibility for the attack.

September 8th, 2013, 10:52 am

 

Alan said:

Redjeb T Ardogan ! can use paracetamol Suppository to lower the temperature!
Turkish jets “have the permission to open fire in case of hostile movement” on the border – local media

September 8th, 2013, 10:54 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

OBSERVER
Thank you for posting Sadeq Jalal Alazm’s article. I have seen it before, but I confess my guilt in having read it, perhaps a little hastily the first round over. Your posting encouraged me to read it again, but with more focus this time, hence the delay in responding.

It will take much longer space than one would find here to discuss Alazm’s ideas, densely peppered throughout the article. I think he is writing with cautious optimism concerning the role of intellectuals in the future, and with generous, yet contemptuous but masked cynicism about the “traditional” left, especially those who upon the collapse of the soviet union fraud, managed to hide their deep sectarian fears behind a thin veneer of liberal-secularism in general, and/or so called Anti-imperialist Syrian Nationalism, more specifically. The old days of Syria comment were rife with such examples, as well as of the examples of those who can easily describe an experience similar to that of Alazm in the sense of “surviving” and being able to pass a long an idea or two showing some sort of “independent” thinking from the flock.

First, i thought that Alazm seems to under estimate the numbers of those leftists or intellectuals (the two are not necessarily synonymous) who adopted the liberal ideas at first, but then became vicious enemies of the revolution. But after thinking a little bit more, i gathered that Alazm’s definition of intellectual is for sure to be more rigorous and demanding than mine. For example, he would never call someone like Charmine Narwani (even though she is not an Arab) an intellectual. Adonis, on or Nazih Afsh, on the other hand are intellectuals, and we found like we found with Alazm, that their role may later be judged, independently of their current stance, as part and parcel of the collective, incremental formation of the revolutionary consciousness, or of parts of it. I would not say the same about Saadi Youssef, but that is a purely personal judgement of the value of his work. With that in mind, i realized that the group he talks about is a rather narrow group. The rest, which would not enter his calculations, are mere demagogues, with little deep knowledge of history and much hype, borne of their artificial stature, made through regime controlled media. The group that falls well within this description, which should have never been looked upon as an “intellectual” group, is the actors group. Syrians tended to look at actors, without any real justification, as intellectuals. Now we find that a vast majority of them were mere “professional” actors and are completely out of their league with respect to humanity and culture. Nothing is really wrong with this image, and it is a healthy discovery that will allow us to start demanding more from ourselves and less from what we create as role models.

Like Alazm, my concern with political Islam in the “political” life in Syria is almost identical to that of the philosopher and sociopolitical thinker. I do fully agree with him that the real problem is in our inheritance of despotic tools, mindset, and vulnerabilities. We see this everyday now with the ability of groups like the Islamic State of Iraq and Levant to establish despotic rules with threat and intimidation, and outright criminal replay of the thuggish regime. Notwithstanding the fact that in this particular case, we are talking about a terrorist group that was founded by assad and his goons and that is peppered with his men at various levels of its hierarchy, their ability to enforce, even if temporarily, and with terrorism, a despotic primitive structure, reaffirm Alazm’s idea.
One group of potentially very influential intellectuals that has skipped Alazm, perhaps because of the fact that he moves within the circle of professional intellectuals whose primary “intellectual” output is writing or in the art, is that group of intellectuals who do not produce much in the arts or literature, but are more tuned to the pulse of society, are activists (whether political or civil society) or are merely content with their other professional roles in the society. There is no need to enumerate these possible professions, but it suffices to say that in their case, these are both consumer of the work of productive intellectuals, but also translators of that work into daily life, be it political, professional or social.

There is much more to say, and perhaps more at length later. But for now, I will refrain from saying it, mainly because the difference between a giant thinker like Alazm and someone like me is that thinkers can read the details, but never allow such details to preoccupy their realities, which provides them with the clarity of vision to see trends, larger movements. People like me tend to remain occupied with the ripples and we have to keep watching for the thinkers to see and recognize the wave.

This has always been my beef with Joshual Landis and his colleagues, whose obsession with the details of each and every single “family” size armed group with beards has completely blinded them, and continues to blind them from being well informed about the far more important issues. They have taken that to the far extreme, to the point that robbed their product from intellectual content. I can afford that, because my professional life is not centered on making intellectual contributions. Sadly, neither they, nor us, can afford the anemic intellectual level, and occasionally counter-intellectual level of their work. Sorry I had to write that, but my feelings are well known and I have never shied from expressing them on this issue.

September 8th, 2013, 10:58 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

robbed not robed….

September 8th, 2013, 10:59 am

 

Tara said:

“There was no explanation for the hundreds of missing names.”

Simple explanation. Families in there enteritis perished so no one looked for them.

So far not a single lie is sticking. Try harder.

September 8th, 2013, 11:19 am

 

ghufran said:

WASHINGTON (CNN) – After endorsing President Barack Obama’s plan to launch military strikes against Syria, Sen. John McCain warned the president would face impeachment if he were to put “boots on the ground.”
McCain told Phoenix radio host Mike Broomhead on Thursday that the president had “bungled” the entire handling of the Syria crisis and would open himself up to impeachment hearings if he overstepped the limits of the authorization before Congress.

Obama is already looking at an expanded bombing campaign despite his famous ” little strike” slogan:
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is preparing for a longer bombardment of Syria than it originally had planned, with a heavy barrage of missile strikes followed soon after by more attacks on targets that the opening salvos missed or failed to destroy, officials said.
The planning for intense attacks over a three-day period reflects the growing belief in the White House and the Pentagon that the United States needs more firepower to inflict even minimal damage on Syrian President Bashar Assad’s forces, which have been widely dispersed over the last two weeks, the officials said.
(such a plan, if delivered, will undoubtedly lead to the expansion of the war, Assad may not be willing or able to hit US targets but he will hit Syria’s neighbors)

If you were wondering why parties like Assad, KSA, Erdogan, KSA and Qatar are not budging, the answer is simple:
they asked Pharaoh: who pharaonized you? he said I did not meet anybody who was able to stop me !!
The coward Bedouins in the GCC in particular will not stop until they feel the heat.

(I indeed like Sadeq and I have relatives who personally met with him. people like him will be useless if we end up with a divided country ruled by war lords or if Islamists ascend to power. This uprising was a problem waiting to happen, I warned my family about it since the early 1990s, and I knew that there will be some type of a civil war with a sectarian tint instead of a white popular coup, most of my relatives , Syrian and Palestinian, refused to leave Syria and they have not changed their mind yet. The article is a good read)

September 8th, 2013, 11:24 am

 

revenire said:

Identification of the dead children in Ghouta

Following the broadcasting of the images of the massacre in Ghouta, distributed by the Free Syrian Army and relayed by US and French services, Alawite families from Latakia have filed a complaint for murder.

Some of these videos were filmed and posted on Youtube before the events they picture [1].

They show children suffocating from a chemical intoxication that can’t possibly be sarin gas (the latter provokes yellow drool, not white drool).

The children do not correspond to a sample of the population: they are all almost of the same age and have light hair. They are not accompanied by their grieving families.

They are in fact children who were abducted by jihadists two weeks before in Alawite villages in the surroundings of Latakia, 200km away from Ghouta.

Contrary to the sayings of the Free Syrian Army and the Western services, the only identified victims of the Ghouta massacre are those belonging to families that support the Syrian government. In the videos, the individuals that show outrage against the ’’crimes of Bashar el-Assad’’ are in reality their killers.

[1] « About the videos of the August 21st massacre », Voltaire Network, August 30th 2013.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article180015.html

http://www.voltairenet.org/article180130.html

September 8th, 2013, 11:26 am

 

revenire said:

Tara’s own rebels murdered these Alawite children. She has no shame. As long as America attacks Assad and murders him she will be happy. That is all it is about for her – hatred of Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 11:28 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
Previously you said the strike will be mild, now you are saying the strike will be strong and over long period of time, can you make up your mind please?

Apple Mini admitted that rogue officers decided for CW use ,and Assad has not ordered it, Apple says she is looking forward to punish such officer, I wonder if Maher ordered the CW attack would he be punished?the answer no, not even if a cousin of Assad ordered such attack

September 8th, 2013, 11:39 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

499. Tara said:

“There was no explanation for the hundreds of missing names.”

Simple explanation. Families in there enteritis perished so no one looked for them.

Impossible to believe your explanation Tara. Surely the people in Syria have besides family members, friends, neighbours, teachers etc who know their names. Not all were killed. Also I believe in Syria all adults must have personal identity papers in their pockets when they are not at outside their home. If it was a chemical attack most victims died at home/place were they lived, so their name and address is known. As you know the bodies of killed in this kind of chemical attacks are not difficult to recognize. Not like those killed in explosions of suicide bombers or bombs.

If US president and foreign secretary claim exact numbers of victims USA also must have watertight proof of that on what those numbers are based. They can’t do like they did in case of Iraq, if the truth is something else what USA claims, when the said “well, well also all others believed that Iraq has hidden WMD’s”. There is no room to “believe” this time.

September 8th, 2013, 11:48 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir
What a stupid idea you come out with, in Ghouta there are white and brunette color people, and in Alawi mountain there are white and brunette color people.
I am not surprised that you come with such stupid idea, Buthaina Shaaban is not white

Further why Ghouta, why not gas them in Aleppo or Homs?

September 8th, 2013, 11:52 am

 

Tara said:

Buthina is blond blue eyed but masquerading as dark.

I am glad WSS caught the hint if racism.

September 8th, 2013, 11:59 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
If you are intelligent you would have known that identification of anyone who has no ID or relative close by, ID will be difficult right away, it takes days or months to ID someone,but sooner or later they will be identified

September 8th, 2013, 12:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Majed I only report the facts. Please don’t shoot the messenger. If the truth makes you squirm I suggest asking God to help you atone and repent. I can’t do that. Sorry brother.

I am not certain why talk to me here… perhaps you see me as a father figure and want me to forgive your sins?

These were kidnapped Alawite children. Your Nusra friends used chemical weapons. This puts you, and your associates, in an impossible position.

September 8th, 2013, 12:01 pm

 

revenire said:

Iran, Iraq Warn against Repercussions of Syria Strike

Iran-Iraq FMs Iran Foreign Minister Mohammad Jawad Zarif stressed that who will launch an aggression against Syria will not be able to set limits for it, noting that Obama was entrapped.

“Iran is worried about inflaming a regional war whose repercussions will reach the world,” Zarif said,” We call on the parties of the Syrian crisis to pursue the political track in order to reach a solution.”

Iran FM pointed out that Tehran will exert all possible efforts to prevent the US-led strike against Syria, adding that the role of Iraq and other states is basic to halt the war which harm the entire region.

“Iran and Iraq have the right to condemn the use of chemical weapons more than any other country as we were the victims of these weapons,” Zarif emphasized.

Iran FM had already met Iraqi PM Nuri al-Maliki ad Speaker Osama al-Nujaifi to view Iraq’s attitude towards the war against Syria.

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=109569&cid=23&fromval=1&frid=23&seccatid=24&s1=1

September 8th, 2013, 12:04 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Revenir said he only report facts,
Revenir these are lies not facts

September 8th, 2013, 12:15 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Back to Prof. Landis statement
Bombing is not a solution,
Please remember bombing was a solution in Kosovo, President Clinton won,and ended Molosovic, Clinton was praised for what he did.
At that time Russia did not defend the Serb as much as Putin supported Assad.
Obama will come out very victorious,and it will be what Obama will be remembered for,

September 8th, 2013, 12:44 pm

 

revenire said:

Can Obama look stupider? He now says “common sense” is the proof Syria used chemical weapons. Common sense and YouTube videos provided by Nusra. It is hard to believe this is real.

US: ‘Common-Sense Test’ Holds Assad Responsible
WASHINGTON September 8, 2013 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/white-house-gain-support-syria-strike-20191391

September 8th, 2013, 12:44 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#468 SL

Thank you for your compliment. Judging by the number of “thumbs down” I get (and you got on your post), many on this forum either do not share your opinion, or do not like sanity, reason, realism and optimism!

Take your pick 🙂

Do not worry my friend, I am not going anywhere! Despite the fact the Zoo decided he won’t talk to me anymore!

September 8th, 2013, 12:56 pm

 

ghufran said:

“Ghufran
Previously you said the strike will be mild, now you are saying the strike will be strong and over long period of time, can you make up your mind please”

majed, I am not sure what is wrong with you, however, let me assume that you really did not understand:
I have not changed my opinion on the scope of the strike if it happens because I do not believe Obama is ready or willing to be part of another war. what I posted was information given to news sites by pentagon officials, sometimes that is done as part of a welfare. I hope this ” helps” you understand, a round of barbaric Persian tea and asfahani argileh may also help, my friend.

September 8th, 2013, 12:58 pm

 

revenire said:

BIG NEWS: French president Hollande now saying UNSC agreement should be sought for any attack on Syria.

September 8th, 2013, 1:02 pm

 

Alan said:

Excuse me, Mr. Putin! seems a monkey with a grenade does not want to go out of the impasse?

US snub of Syria talks ‘proof of weakness in position’ – Duma speaker
http://rt.com/politics/russia-us-syria-parliament-503/

September 8th, 2013, 1:04 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Now, “COMMON SENSE” is proof to start a new war in the toxic Muslim world of the Middle east! Can’t wait to hear from Judge Jeanine on Fox News!

September 8th, 2013, 1:13 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our deeply entrenched benefactors who are able to bring you the news before it happens have made these two extremely important heads up available for release.

First, our benefactors would like to assure you that despite their success in lobbying the US administration to reconsider its initial plans for the upcoming military operation against Criminal Pervert, Ass-head, they continue to work hard and around the clock to convince the Administration to further increase the scope and objectives of the much awaited operation. Our benefactors hope that their efforts will bear fruit and will keep you posted as they develop.

Second, we would like to bring to you the glad tidings that Operation Ma’aloula has born fruit. The city is now under the full control of the glorious revolution of the Syrian people. This development happened overnight with the influx of huge number of revolting Syrians into the city forcing the coward and lowly Shabiha of Ass-head and other outcasts of the Criminal Pervert gangs of criminals to withdraw after suffering heavy losses in lives at the hands of the brave and victorious fighters of the Syrian Revolution.

In a related development, our benefactors have decided to blacklist this site and its administrators as tools and accomplices of the regime of the Criminal Pervert. The decision has been taken due to reports which surfaced recently clearly showing that the objective of this post is sheer propaganda, falsification and aiding and abetting the crimial regime. One such report came to the open in which Father Yazigi categorically denied any so-called targeting of historical sites such as Deirs or Churches by the glorious revolting Syrians. Father Yazigi was speaking from Amman under no duress whatsoever and he affirmed that what is going on in Ma’aloula is no more than a military operation. On the other hand, reports surfaced about plans being drawn by the Criminal Regime to send in teams of Shabiha dressed in Revolutionary uniforms to commit atrocities against Christian people and sites, record the atrocities, and publish them as acts perpertrated by the revolution. Needless to say, this tactic has always been a trade mark of the Criminal regime since the glorious revolution of the Syrian people was born.

September 8th, 2013, 1:13 pm

 

ghufran said:

Charlie Rose interviews Syrian President Bashar Assad:
Assad gives his first interview with an American TV network in nearly two years
a summary is available at cbsnews.com

the interview in whole will be available tomorrow, I did not hear any thing new based on the summary by Charlie Rose but Assad seems to be convinced that Obama’s assurance of a limited strike is for public consumption, he believes the US is after him and the army not just CW. I hope the speculations of a wider war are wrong, I think they are, the Middle East had enough.

September 8th, 2013, 1:16 pm

 

Tara said:

The takeover of Maalola by the rebels is stupidity on action. We know the regime is waiting for such a chance to send his Shabeehas masqarading as rebels to desacre churches and old monasteries and to massacre christians. Why on earth to give it a massive propaganda chance at this time?

God. Batta is not the only stupid in town!

September 8th, 2013, 1:23 pm

 

revenire said:

Report: Iran, Syria and Hezbollah planning response to attack on Syria

Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have set up a military room to coordinate activities in the case the US and other countries attack Syria, according to sources quoted on Friday in the Lebanese Daily Star. The sources confirmed an earlier report by the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar that Hezbollah is mobilizing its forces in anticipation of an attack, specifically stating that “tens of thousands” of fighters and reservists have been called up.

Iran has begun readying its missiles. “The aim of the move was to demonstrate to the United States that Iran was serious,” the diplomat said. Syria also has a bank of targets in Israel, as well as US bases in Turkey and Jordan.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Iran-Syria-and-Hezbollah-planning-response-to-attack-on-Syria-325497

September 8th, 2013, 1:24 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

There were rumors that Assad was hiding in Maaloula

September 8th, 2013, 1:41 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

507. majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
If you are intelligent you would have known that identification of anyone who has no ID or relative close by, ID will be difficult right away, it takes days or months to ID someone,but sooner or later they will be identified

Majedkhaldoun in what world do you live? Do seriously believe, that Damascus suburbs are full of people who do not know do not know each others, by look and by name. I understand, that killed foreign fighters are difficult to identify, because they might have no papers and “no names”. But claiming, that those claimed hundreds of civilians (children and adults) are unknown is a pure lie. If a school for example gets poisoned the victims are certainly known. If a civilian area is attacked by gas the victims die in their homes or near them. Also as said the bodies of victims of gas attacks are very easily to identified because they look almost “normal”.

I have always believed that in a clan society like Syria the bindings of people in a neighbourhood are close and people have numerous acquaintances. It is impossible to believe, that for example no parent would not know the looks and names of their child’s classmates. It is impossible to believe that in Syria people do not know their neighbours names and looks. It is impossible to believe that there are no records of children in a school or registers of inhabitants of buildings in a town.

If most of the alleged victims can’t be identified a completely legitimate and proper question to be asked is WHY NOT.

September 8th, 2013, 1:44 pm

 

sf94123 said:

“Common Sense” is to round up Dr. Death, SyriaHater, Tera “Snakehead” and other Muslim Brotherhoods in the US who provided false materials and conspired to provoke the U.S into launching an air strike against their country of origin- They should be charged for conspired to kill Americans, treason, fraud, and forgery. What goes around comes around- Just a matter of time!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2330622/Why-Drummer-Rigbys-killers-charged-treason.html

September 8th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

Alan said:

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern predicts false flag attack on US destroyers off Syria coast, to start US/Zionist planned military attack
http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/former-cia-analyst-ray-mcgovern-predicts-false-flag-attack-on-us-destroyers-off-syria-coast-to-start-uszionist-planned-military-attack/

September 8th, 2013, 1:58 pm

 

Alan said:

??? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? : ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ????????
http://youtu.be/hqPUbNCui5Q

September 8th, 2013, 2:02 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Now the invisible Allah of the the Khra Thowra is back with his favorite sport playing with with thumps up / thumps down- Fraud and forgery! That’s what they know best..

September 8th, 2013, 2:06 pm

 

Juergen said:

Syrian Hamster

Its quite strange someone like Sister Agnes Mariam de la Croix can travel to the archdevil empire of Israel and still be able to return to Basharland. Whatever happend to the life sentence one would face doing so?

September 8th, 2013, 2:10 pm

 

Syrian said:

Observer:
Thanks for posting that article by Mr Alazm .he started great with describing the dynamic of the uprising that is now a full fledged war with all regional and international powers are involved in.
The middle and last part described the intellectuals stand of the revolution.the few that survived the Assds’s cultural’s gulag.
While I think any help where ever it comes from is a great help.I think unlike that Egyptian 2011 demonstrations that ended Mubarak rules, where the younger liberal intellectual started it. The Syrian uprising started in the unlikeliest place of Dara’a and Homs. and later the Syrian intellectuals followed them.while this is not hard to understand because Egypt pre 2011 was way ahead of Syria pre 2011 in every thing,economically,freedom and justice.So most of the Syrian intellectuals contributions came late to have real effect now, specially that the revolution is being fed by the unlimited numbers of the 70% of Syrians under 30 who oprobably never heard of Adonis nor care much for his stand either way,
Like what I guess Syria hamster was saying that mr Alazm is looking at the very big picture from his intellectual perspective. We are looking more at a smaller one.
If I want to look at the big picture, I can see locally the majorly against the minorities.
Regionally Iran versus Turkey, KSA, with maybe Israel, internationally Russia versus the West. So eventually the Syrian people will win against the mafia regime.

September 8th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
The picture of those dead kids was taken from treatment centers,
they were pronounced dead and placed there.
I hope you are not implying that those kids jihadis from chechnia,
And for your question,yes some are not known to others, Zamalka Saqba and Irbin and Douma has grown recently to a degree it is hard to know immidiately their ID.
Do you know all your neighbours in your area, no

SF94123
is SF stands for stinky faggot?

September 8th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

ghufran said:

(Reuters) – Syrian government forces may have carried out a chemical weapons attack close to Damascus without the personal permission of President Bashar al-Assad, Germany’s Bild am Sonntag paper reported on Sunday, citing German intelligence.
Syrian brigade and division commanders had been asking the Presidential Palace to allow them to use chemical weapons for the last four-and-a-half months, according to radio messages intercepted by German spies, but permission had always been denied, the paper said.
This could mean Assad may not have personally approved the attack close to Damascus on August 21 in which more than 1,400 are estimated to have been killed, intelligence officers suggested.
Germany’s foreign intelligence agency (BND) could not be reached for comment.
Bild said the radio traffic was intercepted by a German naval reconnaissance vessel, the Oker, sailing close to the Syrian coast.
Last week the head of the BND, Gerhard Schindler, gave confidential briefings to the German parliament’s defense and foreign affairs committees. Bild said Schindler told the defense committee that Syria’s civil war could continue for years.
The chief of staff of Germany’s armed forces, General Volker Wieker, also told lawmakers the influence of al-Qaeda linked forces with within the rebels was becoming stronger and stronger

September 8th, 2013, 2:31 pm

 

Alan said:

Playing with fire – the Americans are trying to raise a fist to strike on Syria ( Video )
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1tv.ru%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F241356&sandbox=1
*************

Former intelligence and military urged Obama not to war in Syria
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frussian.rt.com%2Farticle%2F15114&sandbox=1

September 8th, 2013, 2:32 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran
If Assad did not approve the CW attack,he should have punished the officers who committed this murderous attack, it has been three weeks, since he did nothing ,then the responsibility is his.
All what we heared from B Shaaban that the rebels did it

September 8th, 2013, 2:44 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

On the early humanitarian work of young dog-poop cousin theresa makhrouf…

Jamal Mansour

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September 8th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 
 

revenire said:

I have little doubt Britain and the US supplied Nusra with chemicals. The extremists were more than happy to murder Alawite children.

September 8th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

Warren said:

According to the Soonite insurgents books are more dangerous than chemical weapons!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=76a_1378378285

September 8th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

revenire said:

524. SF94123 said:

“Common Sense” is to round up Dr. Death, SyriaHater, Tera “Snakehead” and other Muslim Brotherhoods in the US who provided false materials and conspired to provoke the U.S into launching an air strike against their country of origin- They should be charged for conspired to kill Americans, treason, fraud, and forgery. What goes around comes around- Just a matter of time!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2330622/Why-Drummer-Rigbys-killers-charged-treason.html

===

I agree with this. These ‘people’ are horrible, horrible specimens of humanity. Each of them is calling for 100s of 1000s of Syrians to die because they hate Assad. It is depraved. I feel sick to my stomach.

September 8th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

While we wait for the Reverend Mother of all chemical conspiracies to lay out her case for the United Nations, and while we wait for the hog-wallow in Washington to vote up or down on Obama’s strike plans, and while we wait for the details of the plot that transported lightly complected (“white”) children from Latakia to E Ghouta, and while we entertain illogical and unwarranted charges about the complicity of rebel/Nusra/FSA in the August 21 chemotherapy … while we wait for a coherent tale of the chemical attack to be assembled by the hooded trumpets of Assadism, some questions:

— where are the names of the Latakia children stolen from their parents?
— what was the name of the village(s) from which the children were snatched?
— what was the name of one single parent who claims this plot?

While we continue to wait for something that makes sense of the latest Bouthaina fantasy, there is an answer for those folks who want names of those who perished on August 21. I note the staggering ignorance of those who pretend there are no names. It shows us that the Assadists do not read anything but their own side’s confections.

Yes, there are names of some of the perished, at the Syrian Violations Documentation Center

Follow this link to find names of the dead, and then, if you swallow the ‘white-children-of-the-hills’ plot, you can cross-reference with those families who have claimed a disappeared child — once you have a name or names.

VDC result of database search of VDC — the two criteria were Date and method of death, respectively Aug 21 and Chemical weapons.

I am still struck by the ignorance posing as wisdom of Mother Agnes Mirian de la Baath, where she argues from personal incredulity, where she says she does not understand ‘the video.’

From Russia Today: Mere de la baath “doubts so much footage could have been taken in so little time, and asks where parents of the supposedly dead children are

How is it even possible to collect a dozen different pieces of footage, get more than 200 kids and 300 young people together in one place, give them first aid and interview them on camera, and all that in less than three hours? Is that realistic at all? As someone who works in the news industry, you know how long all of it would take.

The bodies of children and teenagers we see in that footage – who were they? What happened to them? Were they killed for real? And how could that happen ahead of the gas attack? Or, if they were not killed, where did they come from? Where are their parents? How come we don’t see any female bodies among all those supposedly dead children?

Funny, sad stuff. Mere Agnes Miriam seems not understand that uploading videos can happen at the same time by separate actors, in close to real time …

In any case, the headless horsemen, to a man, are going with this version of events. They will stick to this tale to the end.

Common sense is no guide here. A better guide would be the essence of Ockham’s Razor. As Ptolemy once wrote, “We consider it a good principle to explain the phenomena by the simplest hypothesis possible.”

The mess of the Assadist ‘explanation’ is well apparent. The simplest possible explanation, the one that comprises all extant evidence, the one that does not have multiple add-ons (stolen white-skinned babies, magickal unnoticed transport through multiple front-lines, vast numbers of conspirators), this is the one that is most likely to be accurate.

I suggest that none of the Baathist cheerleaders here have any doubt that SAA possesses and has used chemical weapons in E Ghouta, despite the ridiculous cover stories they drag out from the Nutterzone.

September 8th, 2013, 3:02 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

From Facebook, a comment on Jamal Mansour’s post

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September 8th, 2013, 3:06 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#523 Simo

Firstly, hundreds have already been identified. Thanks to Sami in #455 – there you can find the link to a site documenting the victims.

Second, you’d better believe that Reef Dimashq has become a shelter to Syrians opposing the regime from everywhere so it is not unusual for people living in the same neighborhood not to know each other. Normal life has all but vanished from these areas. And you are talking about children going to school?

Thirdly, I personally am in touch with a family in Lebanon who just escaped from Ghouta. A grandmother just smuggled her four grandchildren after both parents died in the chemical attack. She had no one left. She just took the kids and ran away. She did not get the chance to bury her son and his wife. Trust me, these people are no kidnapped Alawii villagers.

People, have some shame and some decency!

September 8th, 2013, 3:11 pm

 

ghufran said:

Congressman Justin Amash said last week:
What I heard in Obama admn briefing actually makes me more skeptical of certain significant aspects of Pres’s case for attacking
He noted yesterday, after attending another classified briefing and reviewing more classified materials:
Attended another classified briefing on #Syria & reviewed add’l materials. Now more skeptical than ever. Can’t believe Pres is pushing war.

Congressman Tom Harkin said:
I have just attended a classified Congressional briefing on Syria that quite frankly raised more questions than it answered. I found the evidence presented by Administration officials to be circumstantial.

Congressman Michael Burgess said:
Yes, I saw the classified documents. They were pretty thin.

New Hampshire Democratic Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, for instance, left Thursday’s classified hearing and said she was opposed to the effort “now so more than ever.”
“I think there’s a long way to go for the president to make the case,” she said after the briefing. “It does seem there is a high degree of concern and leaning no.”

Senator Joe Manchin announced he was voting “no” for a Syria strike right after hearing a classified intelligence briefing.

(Obama may be committing the biggest mistake of his presidency)

September 8th, 2013, 3:12 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

HOPEFUL
I quote you, with emphasis

People, have some shame and some decency!

There is a qualifier in your admonition. Sadly, it is inapplicable to assad’s headless horsemen

September 8th, 2013, 3:17 pm

 

DAMASCUSROSE said:

I have posted last week that the CW attack was carried out without the consent of the ????? ???????? and that is being corroborated by intelligence agencies. That explains why General Mohammad Aslan was killed and that also explains why the Americans are talking about a limited attack and not a regime change. In a way, Kerry is coming to the aid of his old friend, Bashar, by taking out the extreme elements and degrading their capabilities to carry out another attack and really blow the conflict wide open. I’ve also posted that there are different loyalties and allegiances between the 4th division and the Republican Guard and Special Forces regiments. If you think about it, if the U.S. gets dragged into Syria and gets its nose bloodied, that also means Iran may be off the radar (and proverbial hook) for a while. I’ve heard that elements in the presidential palace have been trying to convince Assad to negotiate a political solution but he’s being met by hardliners in the mostly Alwaites army corps and by the Iranians. The Americans keep talking about a limited strike because they don’t want a regime change, at least not now, and they don’t to completely destroy Syrian institutions and infrastructure like they did in Iraq. They are hoping that they could do enough damage to the main Alwaite army divisions that would allow a coup from within and empower some of the other divisions that have been kept sidelined up to now. Lots of moving parts and not all seem as what they appear on the surface. There are also speculations that something may happen without the Americans firing a single shot!

September 8th, 2013, 3:23 pm

 

Alan said:

SH
-evaluative judgments,
-misanthropy,
untidiness-relations
-pride
-hypocrisy
-do magic and witchcraft
and spiritual degradation,
, immorality,
-idleness
-parasitism,
-permissiveness
-dependency,
, laziness,
-justification of their degradation,
-aggression,
idea of retribution,
-failure to render aid in trouble
-cynicism
-the struggle for power,
-the struggle for attention
-arrogance
-vanity,
-ambition
-swearing,
-doubt
, hopelessness,
state closed circle,
fear of change,
-gloom,
-stuck in the past,
syndrome victims
-sadness,
-dramatization of the future,
non-promise:
-manipulation of people’s minds,
-suppression of the people in order to manipulate,
-killing people for profit,
-killing of people from religious or political beliefs,
-killing children in the womb,
-indulgence of killing children
-betrayal
-cruelty
-heartedness,

September 8th, 2013, 3:39 pm

 

zoo said:

Observer

“This is a superb article about Syria”

That’s not an article, that’s a long and boring novella.
Highly skippable.

September 8th, 2013, 4:11 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

530. majedkhaldoun said:

Simo
The picture of those dead kids was taken from treatment centers,
they were pronounced dead and placed there.
I hope you are not implying that those kids jihadis from chechnia,
And for your question,yes some are not known to others, Zamalka Saqba and Irbin and Douma has grown recently to a degree it is hard to know immidiately their ID.
Do you know all your neighbours in your area, no

Majedkhaldoun do you claim, that the killed children are unknown. Do you seriously believe that if the children were local kids nobody knows who the majority of them are? Come-on. If the children were from somewhere else for example hostages from different areas of course they will remain unknown, because it is in the interest of the bearded men not to identify them.

Surely a fortified rebel region has to be rather careful not to receive hostile elements working in favour of the government side. That demands that people know each other and their backgrounds. They simply do not allow unknown adult men to wander there. And I suspect that they are very suspicious with all strangers.

September 8th, 2013, 4:20 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

@545. DAMASCUS ROSE.

Interestingly provocative commentary. Still the US based on what CNN reported, see below is indicative of almost double dealing.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/sources-defense-contractors-training-syrian-rebels-in-chemical-weapons/

September 8th, 2013, 4:23 pm

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

“The people who decided to “invade” Maaloula now are either complete morons or are idiots”

There are the same morons and idiots who attacked alawites villages near Latakia and massacred hundred. The same morons who put car bombs all over Aleppo and Damas, who have murdered Al Bouti and Alawites sheikhs, who kidnapped christian religious figures etc….
They have one name: “The FSA” and they are supported militarily by Al Qaeda and advised and financed by Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

Get used to it, that’s the new reality of the ‘noble’ fighters for freedom.

September 8th, 2013, 4:24 pm

 

ghufran said:

It is unlikely that Assad has ordered a CW attack but if his troops, a big if, have actually carried out the attack without his knowledge that means he is not fit to be president, something I established a long time ago. I am not sold on the idea that it was regime troops who carried the attack but I certainly believe an independent investigation should be conducted and guilty people must be brought to justice. Rushing to bomb Syria now after waiting 2.5 years clearly shows that there are political calculations behind the decision. A limited attack will only boost Obama’s ego and a massive attack will have disastrous consequences and strengthen militant elements on both sides and speed up the process of dividing Syria.
No attack should be conducted but Assad must be pressured to step aside while war crimes tribunal takes over the Syrian file and look at ALL crimes not just the atrocities committed by Assad loyalists. Minorities are not hooked on Assad but for 2.5 years they were given nothing but threats and heavy doses of sectarian violence, alawite families lost more than 20,000 of their sons and for them to give up Assad they need to trust the new regime, very little has been done to make sure that the removal of Assad will not be followed by indiscriminate killings by Islamists and common thugs. As much as I hate to say this but for now Assad is the only game in town for minorities, call me when you have an alternative !!

September 8th, 2013, 4:26 pm

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

“Trust me, these people are no kidnapped Alawii villagers”.

Trust you? Are you joking? I want proofs, 100% proofs not your gibberish of the lady who knows a lady who knows the children.

Come on, this is not a hide and seek game. If you don’t have full proven evidence, it’s better you shut up.

September 8th, 2013, 4:32 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

@ 546

Opening up your thought process, weird, and confused as it is, is still the first step to recovery, but you still need a professional psychiatrist help. Sorry dude, can’t help you here.

*Note: Make sure to copy the list. It seems that it took more than half an hour of reflection. Don’t waste that.

September 8th, 2013, 4:46 pm

 

Sami said:

Zoo,

Even with facts such as the UN report over the Houla Massacre you deny it, so why demand facts in the first place when in reality you have no qualms spitting in te face of facts to further whatever narrative you are pushing down our throats?

September 8th, 2013, 5:09 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SYRIAN HAMSTER #498

cc OBSERVER, SYRIAN, HOPEFUL, SAMI, TARA (and others who “get it”)

Thank you for your thoughtful commentary, which is deeply satisfying and inspiring to read. And re-read.

A post like yours reinforces and reminds the world how much high quality intellectual brainpower there is sitting out there in Syrian heads.

I had my own remarks which vanished into the black hole of SC about the left and the distortions and limitations in thinking created by living in Assadland. But I won’t re-post it because your comments cover the subject better than I did.

You nailed and brilliantly articulated so many things I agree with. Including your frustrations with the approach taken at times by Joshua Landis and others who lead this site.

What you write in #498 shines with clarity, warmth and strength that is all the more impressive because we all know the crushing anxiety and numb grief that swamps our heads and hearts every time we now try to think about Syria.

Reading a piece like yours allows us a moment to unclench intellectually and breathe again. To reflect on the Syria that has always mattered, matters now and will matter so much in the post-Assad future.

September 8th, 2013, 5:10 pm

 

Sami said:

Ghufran,

If you believe that it is a big IF that the regime is guilty of gassing Syrians, what evidence led you to believe that?

Do you think the rebels gassing their own in 17 separate locations during a regime shelling onslaught is more plausible than the regime doing it?

September 8th, 2013, 5:14 pm

 

apple_mini said:

The opposition group here just never ceases to disgust us. Right here on the same page, I suggested a personal theory. Those opposition fanatics just cannot waste a second to pick it up and twist it like I was giving them an inner scoop.

The famous drama queen as usual squeaks her lungs out. Calm down, please. And at least try to be an honest commentator. I am not asking you that much to be an honest person in real life.

Ghufran, you probably have sensed milder nature among most Alawites. They have sacrificed over 20,000 young men in this fighting. That cannot be just “charm or charisma” by Assad.

In a small town called Jableh near Lattakia city, there are about 50-50 Sunni and Alawites populations. The very first demonstration by the Sunni was purely sectarian. Not only it appalled their generation old neighbors, but also scared them. The town has been seemingly peaceful. No bloodshed or anything like that. But the population has been divided since.

Assad did not scare them or fooled them. This unrest had all the sectarian drive underneath the popular demands for political reforms.

Nowadays, even those popular demands are just slogan for propaganda.

I honestly don’t think those minorities would feel terribly sad or depressed if the country is partitioned, considering what the alternative would mean to them.

Just check out the recent reports on MSM, the wind of change is there. The rebel/opposition are not only losing on battleground, but also on propaganda front line.

September 8th, 2013, 5:16 pm

 

don said:

Israel Lobby Backs Bombing Syria

AIPAC made it official on Tuesday.

The Israeli government may have the deciding vote on the matter before Congress, not so much because it appears to have been the source of intelligence that the Obama administration is relying on to make a case tying the chemical incident two weeks ago to the Assad regime (although there are interesting questions to be raised about that) but because members of Congress anticipating their next re-election campaign will be thinking about what type of vote Benjamin Netanyahu’s government desires, a criterion that routinely gets equated in American political discourse with “support for Israel.”

One is the theme that any US military action would be strictly limited in duration as well as intensity. Neither the administration nor anyone else has adequately explained how this can be assured if subsequent escalation or retaliation from the other side follows a US strike. As California Republican Ed Royce observed in a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs Committee Wednesday, “the Assad regime would have a say in what happens next.”

Another major theme in the administration’s case concerns upholding international norms of behavior. But no one has explained how violation of one of the most fundamental international norms — against attacking another sovereign state if the attack is not in self-defense or under the sanction of the United Nations Security Council — is a blow in favor of norm-upholding.

Here again, this is not a quandary for Israel, which has long flouted the non-aggression norm as it has gone about its repeated lawn-mowing in Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and elsewhere.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=61172

September 8th, 2013, 5:22 pm

 

Observer said:

Syrian Hamster and SL and Syrian and Hopeful and yes Ghufran

The article by Al Azem was actually meant to show in my opinion two major points

1. The clear failed state that Syria was in that led to the revolution

2. The emptiness of the intellectual left when it came to making a stand for freedom and dignity especially for those that continue to spew conspiracies right and left.

It is in the face of such bankruptcy that we find ourselves with young people changing the course of history.

As ultimate proof of the impossibility of the regime to reform and for its uprooting in its entirety is the torturing to death of Omar Aziz in his effort to create
“local councils” for governance and for peaceful action. Someone like Omar Aziz is even more valuable to the regime than to the revolution for if the regime had an ounce of intelligence it would have promoted people like Omar Aziz to bridge the divide and start a new chapter.

Clearly it reverted to its basic sectarian mafiosi mentality and proclaimed Athad or we burn Al Balad.

If the West needed pretexts to intervene it had more than 100 000 dead people and more than 250 000 disappeared and more than 2 million external refugees and more than 7 million internal refugees and an attack on a NATO ally all of which could have been used to intervene.

Now that he used CW he is trying to wiggle his way out of the retaliation.

I hope and pray that he responds against the fleet and against Israel.

Zoo you cannot read. I know that for a fact you can only parrot.

September 8th, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

ghufran said:

The AL chief deals a blow to Kerry and KSA:
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???? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????? “???????” ???????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? “????? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ??????”? ????? ??? ?? “????? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ??????? ???????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????
Even the AL is not in support of a war on Syria, that puts supporters of such a war at a lower level than the Arab League !!

Sami,
both sides are brutal and have lied before, Assad had no reason to use CW at the time when the alleged attack took place and with UN inspectors being 5 km away. I can not rule out that his troops did that without his consent, but what I would like to see is a credible investigation and yes I want just to be served, those kids did not deserve to die.

September 8th, 2013, 5:35 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SIMOHURRTA, I am now stunned at how little you seem to comprehend the realities of life on the ground inside war-torn Syria.

Your points insisting that if the victims aren’t named to your satisfaction it didn’t happen are so weak and ridiculous I am laughing.

Here’s a little bit of news for you – one third of the population of Syria are now displaced, many millions of them internally. And well over a million or more desperate people and fractured families from all over are estimated to have flocked to Damascus.

There will be thousands of Syrians murdered by the regime who are buried unidentified.

But that doesn’t suit your rusty broken template.

September 8th, 2013, 5:36 pm

 

zoo said:

@482 Apple_mini

Rogue? I would think ‘bribed’.

There is no doubt in my mind there is a well prepared plot behind that story. Look at the sequence of events:
– Syria asks the UN to investigate the chemical attack in Khan Al Assal where they accused the rebels to have used chemical weapons.
– France and the UK refuse that investigation without any serious reason. They try to derail the investigation by asking that it also be done in 3 other locations that they claim were subject to attacks.
Why would the UK and France delay the UN inspectors visit to Khan Al Assal? Obviously they had good reason to believe the rebels did it. For them, Khan al Assal was a place that the UN inspectors should NEVER visit.
– France and the UK and the Saudi were taken by surprise when Syria accepted the condition to include 3 other places whose name remained secret. Then the UN inspectors were on their way.
– The plotters had to quickly find a way to prevent the UN inspectors to go to Khan al Assal.
– Once the inspectors were in Syria and ready to go to Khan al Assal, the Al Ghuta attack suddenly takes place.
– Pressure is made by France and the UK on the UN to ask the inspectors to forget about Khan al Assal and go to al Ghuta instead..
– This is what happened. The inspectors went to Al Ghuta and forgot about Khan al Assal.
The plotters were satisfied.

My belief is that France, UK and Saudi/Qatar intelligence either heavily bribed a Syrian commander or pushed rebels commanders to send a toxic gas on Al Ghuta to create two effects: First, divert from the Khan al Assal investigation that could have proved without any doubts that the rebels have access to chemical weapon and second put the blame of the Al Ghuta attack on the Syrian army by having “massive” deaths and a well orchestrated graphic media propaganda. They knew that the shocked and outraged world would have no choice that to finally react militarily.

That’s why I think the UN inspectors should go back to Khan al Assal, as planned. That would prove that the rebels have access and ways to deliver chemical weapons. It would blow up the whole US argument.
Of course France UK and the Saudi/Qatar would do all they can so that won’t ever happen.
I still hope one day that this horrible plot will uncover the war criminals in France, UK and Saudi/Qatar that did that.
The trouble is that it will come too late.

September 8th, 2013, 5:37 pm

 

zoo said:

#558 Observer

You are right, I admit, I can’t read your posts. I find them extremely pompous and boring. After reading 2 lines, I have an urgent need for a nap
Sorry

September 8th, 2013, 5:42 pm

 

zoo said:

553. Sami

Grin and Yawn…

September 8th, 2013, 5:47 pm

 

don said:

Assistance, persuasion: Netanyahu joins Obama’s cause

AIPAC has been doing its part for US president; Israeli officials say prime minister has joined efforts, spoke with members of Congress, government officials, to persuade for support attack

At an hour that US President Barack Obama is struggling to achieve a majority in Congress to support an attack on Syria, he is aided by pro-Israeli groups, at the front of which is AIPAC. Additional surprising assistance in light of the tense relations between the two, is coming from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Ynet learned Sunday.

Israeli officials close to the prime minister told Ynet he recently held talks with members of Congress, government officials and AIPAC officials, to explain the importance of American military action against the Assad regime. Incoming Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer explained in Washington the Israeli position on the attack.

The deep involvement of AIPAC, an organization that is in on many briefings and receives information from Israeli sources regarding sensitive issues such as Iran’spush for nuclear capablities or the war in Syria, shows that Israel is not really sitting on the sidelines.

In addition, 250 members of AIPAC are expected to flood the Capitol for the historic vote to put pressure on members of Congress in support of the attack.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4427269,00.html

September 8th, 2013, 5:48 pm

 
 

ghufran said:

Patrick Cockburn- The Independent-UK

Maloula used to be one of the safer places in Syria for Christians, who once made up 10 per cent of the population. Many have already fled from Aleppo and northern Syria. Their priests and bishops have been kidnapped and murdered. In their part of the Old City of Damascus they are under mortar fire from rebel districts leaving no doubt that they are being punished as government supporters. Those with money have mostly left the country. Even a previously secure place in the mountains such as Maloula, where persecuted Christians once sought refuge, is safe no longer.

Suppose US missile strikes take place, will they tip the military balance decisively towards the insurgents? It looks unlikely, though elimination of the Syrian air force would enable the rebels to gain ground. The stalemate will continue. Syria has a failed government and a failed opposition. Both still think they can win if they get enough outside support but have few ideas other than to fight on. The only good news here is that government and rebels have become so much the dependent proxies of foreign powers that the US and Russia could force them to negotiate at least a ceasefire. But this may come too late for Maloula.

September 8th, 2013, 6:14 pm

 

zoo said:

Count Cher as one of the few politically active celebrities to weigh in on President Barack Obama’s war stance against Syria.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/09/08/cher-obama-syria

Cher routinely uses social media to defend the president and/or slam conservatives in the most callous fashion she can muster. Today, the singer/actress took a different, more defiant tone, warning Obama of the consequences of betraying the will of the American people.

Believe,If Pres.Obama,Bombs Syria,it might b His Downfall.He could go From Loved 2 Loathed.U Cant Go Against The Will Of 80% Of AMERICANS

September 8th, 2013, 6:24 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

SYRIALOVER
Thank you for you kind words.

OBSERVER,
Thanks again for the crisp clarity and right to the point approach. The inability to reform, while clearly exemplified in the nurder of Omar Aziz (and many others like him), can also be exemplified by the behavior of regime loyalists here on this same blog.

Just consider the herd-mentality, prevalent among the “few” active regime posters. A new “theory” comes up, it promptly get amplified, and new tracks are found, be it rogue-to-bribed transformation, white-children transport, and before it, bad weapons, self immolation, and the list goes on. And in each step, a source of information that was considered “blasphemous”, all of the sudden is relied on extensively, without even showing a sign of self-respect that would have demanded some sort of visible dizziness as one jumps a hoop with five loops.

This, my friend, is a sign if extreme inferiority complex brought by recognition of the absence of legitimacy in its historical , social, economic, psychological, and/or political dimensions. This of course has nothing to do with sect or class, and all to do with the the mean of acquiring ones position in each and every one of these dimensions. Collectively, such inferiority complex, when mixed with its byproduct insecurity complex become a witch-brew the degenerates into calling for and murdering all who expose the naked king, who becomes the embodiment of both inferiority and insecurity.

September 8th, 2013, 6:28 pm

 

zoo said:

Alone among the Arab countries, Saudi Arabia agrees to join France, Turkey and the USA in “supporting the strikes on Syria”

Kerry Announces Saudi Support for Syrian Strike
September 8, 2013 6:03 pm
The New York Times

PARIS — Secretary of State John Kerry said Sunday that Saudi Arabia had agreed to support military intervention in Syria.

At a news conference on the sidebar of a meeting with Arab League foreign ministers, Mr. Kerry noted that he had received Saudi assurances of support for what he called “the strike.”

Qatar’s foreign minister, Khalid Al Attiya, who joined Mr. Kerry at the news conference, stopped short of explicitly endorsing a military strike but said his nation would back foreign intervention

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/world/kerry-announces-saudi-support-for-syrian-strike-702517/#ixzz2eLJphwNk

September 8th, 2013, 6:30 pm

 

don said:

Rep. Grayson’s Opposition

Representative Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat, is trying to harness public opposition to Obama’s request through a website his campaign created,

http://www.dontattacksyria.com <<=== Please VOTE here

He said 25,000 people in 48 hours signed a petition against military intervention. It’s at 82,000 votes so far.

“We needed a way to call the attention of open-minded House members,” he said in an interview.

September 8th, 2013, 6:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed cc Matthew Barber

You are certainly improving your english. I am sure Matthew Barber would appreciate your latest vulgarity.

531. majedkhaldoun said:

SF94123
is SF stands for stinky faggot?

September 8th, 2013, 6:42 pm

 

Syrialover said:

OBSERVER,

Thanks for your thoughts in #558 and for lifting the game here again above the flood of waste material from Team Assad.

Throughout history there have been invaders and occupiers who at the time brought with them ideas, technology and cultural practices which contributed to the opening and development of different parts of the world (e.g. the Greek and Roman empires, and before that some of the earliest city states in the Middle East).

But Syria for the past 40 years has been forcibly occupied and controlled by a primitive and ignorant force, the Assad dictatorship, which stalled and suffocated the economic, political, social and cultural development

People only expand what they know and think through exposure to alternative realities and the thinking of others. We would all still be living in caves otherwise.

The Assads by controlling at gunpoint the media, state institutions, the arts, educational curriculum etc to their own low standards and limits turned Syria into an intellectual cave, even a prison, where people could only see fragments of intellectual sky and work with that.

Considering leftist ideals is a natural part of anyone’s intellectual journey, even of humanity’s makeup, and no thinking person would reject every part of it no matter where their thinking finally ends up.

But adherence to the Left is also for some an expression of their personality and negative impulses, where they see a chance to be involved in control and power over others. It is a useful garment they feel strong and justified and special in. They twist it to meet their own needs. Which is why the MB and crude leftism is such a natural internal marriage for many.

September 8th, 2013, 6:47 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou’z analysis reads like ????????? ?????? I wounder who is lozeh and who is takhtakh.

September 8th, 2013, 6:53 pm

 

Syrialover said:

I love it! Team Assad and their camp follower GHUFRAN are desperate, repeatedly trying to reassure themselves and tell others that Bashar Assad wouldn’t be so stupid and reckless as to use chemical weapons.

They need to think that, to deny it, because the reality of Bashar’s idiocy is unbearable for them.

We are seeing they have a fracture point when it comes to blindly supporting Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 6:56 pm

 

zoo said:

#519 Headsup

Boycott or manipulation?
Have the ‘benefactors’ decided to boycott the Blog or rather they started to hack it and manipulate the Thumbs up/down to make readers believe that the opposition posts are the more popular?

“In a related development, our benefactors have decided to blacklist this site and its administrators as tools and accomplices of the regime of the Criminal Pervert. The decision has been taken due to reports which surfaced recently clearly showing that the objective of this post is sheer propaganda, falsification and aiding and abetting the crimial regime.”

September 8th, 2013, 6:57 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Bill
There you go, here is another headless horseman in 575 smashing into the conspiracy, like a blind frog, mouth first.

I think it is manipulation, the regime loyalists are so easy to manipulate. Thank god we don’t have a remote-hypnotist on board, or DO WE?

September 8th, 2013, 7:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Mainstream US media questions Obama’s lies as opposition builds

Doubts linger over Syria gas attack responsibility
http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Doubts-linger-over-Syria-gas-attack-responsibility-4796441.php

September 8th, 2013, 7:03 pm

 

revenire said:

I bet some of you guys never imagined there would be an American, and a worldwide, opposition to you did you?

Well, there is.

September 8th, 2013, 7:06 pm

 

ghufran said:

Rebels attack on Maloula is all over the news, that forced Jarba and Idris to hold a news conference where they said they directed their troops to protect Christians in that area, the problem is that they hardly have any troops in maloula , Nusra is in charge, and nobody believes idris and jarba anymore.
CNN story alone drew more than 10,000 comments.
The idiotic move in Maloula will make it harder for pro war politicians to convince Americans that this is a war worth fighting, even local people who rarely watch the news are outraged.
thanks Nusra et al, Assad could not have done a better job portraying rebels as savage anti Christians hateful head chopping terrorists, these are not my words, these are the words of people in my community !!

September 8th, 2013, 7:17 pm

 

zoo said:

#573 Hammy

I am glad you read and was able to reach the end of my theory of the plot without collapsing.
I am not sure brainless rodents can grasp it well so don’t be shy, ask a non-rodent ally to help you. Contrary to me, they seem to appreciate you farty h-p’s, especially the pseudo-intellectual ones.

September 8th, 2013, 7:18 pm

 

revenire said:

Assad is the protector of all minorities in Syria. Without Assad they’d all be slaughtered by Nusra and their allies.

September 8th, 2013, 7:20 pm

 

zoo said:

Ghufran

“they directed their troops to protect Christians in that area”

Oh, it must the “National Syrian Army” funded by Saudi Arabia that Jarba announced a few weeks ago!
Mabrouk!

September 8th, 2013, 7:24 pm

 

revenire said:

More reports from mainstream American media questioning the Obama administration’s lies:

Chemical attacks in Syria. Where’s the proof Assad was responsible?

So far, no convincing evidence has been made public proving that Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons to kill hundreds of Syrian people. That has left the door open to alternate scenarios and conspiracy theories.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2013/0908/Chemical-attacks-in-Syria.-Where-s-the-proof-Assad-was-responsible

September 8th, 2013, 7:28 pm

 

revenire said:

HANDS OFF SYRIA! 7000 people demonstrating against Obama on his visit in Stockholm

September 8th, 2013, 7:36 pm

 

Syrian said:

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September 8th, 2013, 7:49 pm

 

zoo said:

Jarba sure keep his promises.

Syrian Rebels to Form Govt. Late August, Says Jarba
by Naharnet Newsdesk 30 July 2013, 10:34

The Syrian opposition will form a provisional government in the second half of August after months of failed efforts, Syrian National Coalition chief Ahmad Jarba said on Tuesday.

“I expect a government in exile to be formed around 10 days after Eid al-Fitr,” the Muslim feast that falls on August 8 or 9, he told AFP in Doha, which he is visiting to seek support.

“There are several candidates” for the post of prime minister, he added, saying one “will be chosen by consensus or through election.”

September 8th, 2013, 7:50 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#514. HOPEFUL

Sadly the vote function on this forum has been corrupted and disabled by spammers. You can easily pick who is doing it.

It now has little to do with real reader votes, so most people ignore it and don’t vote.

September 8th, 2013, 7:55 pm

 

ghufran said:

a friend tried to answer why now? to explain the timing of US intervention:
This is typical, the best time to attack an enemy is when he is weak, Iraq was attacked after two wars and now Syria may be attacked after 2.5 years of an insurgency and a devastating internal war.
the downside: you may end up with an enemy who is worse than the one you attacked !!
The Americans are learning, I hope their politicians and our Syrian thawrajiyyeh and Assad loyalists learn too.

September 8th, 2013, 7:57 pm

 

Tara said:

Sami @553

The facts are irrelevant.

The new talking points are taken from Assad interview with Charlie Rose. The talking points are quickly disseminated. Even Hardly-a-Human issued a retract and almost an apology from an earlier comment.

Here is the summary of the interview:

“Assad denied involvement the attack and said if the United States has evidence, Washington should produce it, CBS reported on Sunday on its news program “Face the Nation.” [ID:nL1N0H404W]

“There has been no evidence that I used chemical weapons against my own people,” CBS reported Assad said in an interview conducted in Damascus. The report was a summary of the interview and did not contain any audio or video of Assad.

Assad said he feared an attack might degrade the Syrian military and tip the balance in the 2-1/2-year-old civil war, CBS reported.”

September 8th, 2013, 7:59 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors deeply implanted in the deepest recesses of covertness continue to monitor the volatile situation and for that reason it authorized the following heads up for release.

First of all, the upcoming Charlie Rose production of wag the dog coming up monday evening to American living rooms across the nation carries with it three messages from Criminal Pervert. The first message is deniability of facts and responsibility. The second message is a play on the American psychy implying that Amircan wars were all failures. The third message is a threat to the American public at large of so-called counter strikes by Criminal Pervert and its Criminal Gangsters of so-called allies. Ass-head is counting on a perceived sense of fatigue among the general public and hoping that his three-pronged media blitz courtesy of American free speech provided by free speech suckers like Rose would succeed. We at Heads-up believe that it will fail and produce a counter effect among the Americans. The simple fact is Americans don’t give in lightly to threats from Hitler-like despots, not to mention bull-sh*t such as failed American wars.

Secondly, we would like to present to you some very important scholarly well researched article written by veteran Middle Eastern correspondent which would stand in stark contrast to the propaganda material presented on this site which is singularly aimed at aiding, abetting and falsifying on behalf of Criminal Pervert.

Enlighten yourself about the cunning of the snake and enjoy reading Hussein Abdul-Hussein piece exposing the agents of Ass-head in Washibgton. Abdu-Hussein exposes both current and sleeping cell agents of Criminal Pervert who have been busy like bee-hives during the last two weeks trying to save the skin of their criminal master:


Assad lobbies in Washington capitalize on anti-war sentiment

A majority of Americans are opposed to military action in Syria. But in a country where many people cannot point to France on a map, American opposition seems to have little to do with Syria, and more to do with general war fatigue. As a result, opponents of the strike put out arguments that are either false or blatant Assad propaganda.

From the Right are the Libertarians, who advocate small government and thus oppose all U.S. foreign activity, and those known as the “Christian Right,” who believe that Assad’s survival is instrumental for the safety of the Christians of Syria and the Levant. Never mind that between 1975 and 2005, the two Assads – father Hafez and son Bashar – systematically undermined the Christians of Lebanon by assaulting them militarily and assassinating their leaders or sending them into exile.

The Assads have been always known for their pragmatism, despite their ideological outlook. Between 2003 and 2011, Bashar al-Assad opened his Damascus airport to Islamist Jihadists who arrived from around Arab countries with one-way tickets. Assad’s intelligence agencies penetrated Islamist networks, groomed them, sponsored their bomb-making machinery, and later facilitated their crossing into Iraq where they bombed innocent Iraqi civilians of all faiths, as well as US troops.

From the Left is a mix of war-weary liberals, counterculture activists, and some Assad friends. Moveon.org, America’s biggest grassroots liberal organization, launched an effort against a possible strike on Assad.

The group’s goals, as relayed to its members in an e-mail, are to “galvanize world leaders to demand a multilateral cease-fire, arrange to evacuate people who choose to flee harm’s way, care for the evacuees, [and] assist with re-settlement once the civil war has ended.” But where was Moveon.org over the past two years when the world – including Washington – struggled to arrange a cease-fire in Syria. Whether through the Arab League’s Initiative or the UN’s Six-Point Plan, a Syria truce proved impossible.

Moveon.org’s call for evacuation of Syrians in harm’s way suggests that whoever authored its memo is unaware that at least two million Syrians have been displaced since the beginning of the anti-Assad uprising, or that America has been the largest donor of humanitarian aid to these refugees. Its goal of “assisting with resettlement” after the war shows that Moveon.org is even more amateurish in understanding what is at stake now, as opposed to what will be needed in the future.

Another leftist organization that also put out a memo arguing against a strike in Syria was the International Crisis Group (ICG). Headed by former Ambassador Thomas Pickering, who often appears alongside the most visible defenders of the Iranian regime in Washington, ICG’s statement called for talks with Iran over Syria, a point endorsed by a few in Washington including Andrew Parasiliti, former Chuck Hagel top aide and now CEO of the media website Al-Monitor.

Heading the Middle East program at ICG is Robert Malley, one of the staunchest advocates of “engaging Assad” prior to 2011. In fact, Malley repeatedly visited Assad in Damascus, and was often invited to dinner at the residence of Syrian Ambassador in Washington Imad Mustafa. A picture that Mustafa posted on his blog, and later removed, shows Malley and Seymore Hersh, famous for his New Yorker article in which he accused the Hariri Movement of supporting radical Islamists who fought the Lebanese Army in the Nahr Al-Bared Palestinian refugee camp in 2007.

Malley and the ICG may have laid low since March 2011, but seem to have come back now, believing that Assad has a chance. In its memo, the ICG links a possible strike on Assad to all the images that resonate negatively with Americans. “A military attack” has no “international consensus,” ICG said, arguing that “solid evidence of regime use of chemical weapons is futile, [g]iven the false pretenses that informed the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.”

Despite solid evidence to the contrary, ICG employed one of Assad regime’s main talking points about the August 21 chemical attack in Damascus: “Elements within the opposition also might be tempted to use such weapons and then blame the regime, precisely in order to provoke further U.S. intervention.”

And similar to stories that appeared in Al-Monitor and other media outlets with pieces favorable of Assad and Iran, ICG put out a threat to America’s regional allies: “Major regional or international escalation (such as retaliatory actions by the regime, Iran or Hezbollah, notably against Israel) is possible but probably not likely given the risks involved, though this could depend on the scope of the strikes.”

The Assad lobby may have been dispersed since March 2011, but Assad’s friends in Washington still linger. With Americans looking for whatever arguments they can get against the war, and with misinformation abound, the Assad and Iran lobbies now find it ideal to pitch their theories on the inevitability of letting Assad get away with chemical attacks, as the only option available, and engaging Iran over Syria, or maybe just let Tehran build a nuclear bomb.

September 8th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

revenire said:

America can’t defeat millions of Syrians with bombs.

September 8th, 2013, 8:17 pm

 

zoo said:

#591 Headsup

Why are you posting here, I thought you were boycotting that blog under the instructions of your masters?

September 8th, 2013, 8:19 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Alert for REVENIRE, ZOO, ALAN and other Team Assad hacks on this forum.

Here’s another thing to deny to yourselves and scratch around for ways to justify or try to convince others it’s not true:

Assad’s air forces have started bombing the Euphrates dam.

September 8th, 2013, 8:28 pm

 

zoo said:

More about Maaloula’s fate under attack by Morocan, Tunisian, Libyans and Chechens, the close friends to the FSA

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/assad-denies-ordering-chemical-attack-and-warns-of-retaliation-against-any-us-strikes-1.1520400

In Syria, rebels and jihadi fighters remained in control of the heights above the ancient Christian town of Maaloula, 60km (37 miles) north of Damascus, while government forces continued to fight for possession of the town, a proposed Unesco world heritage site.

Maaloula is built into the cliffs of rugged mountains where Christians constructed the churches of St Sergius and St Takla. In the vanguard of the campaign to wrest control of the town is Jabhat al-Nusra, the most effective fighting arm of the local al-Qaeda franchise.

Rami Abdel Rahman of the Britain-based opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said: “The army pulled back to the outskirts . . . and [rebel and jihadi fighters] are in total control of Maaloula now.”

However, video from news channel Russia Today showed government forces at the town’s entrance arches being fired upon by jihadi snipers on buildings. A resident of the town said these forces, largely composed of Tunisians, Moroccans, Chechens and Libyans, attacked both civilian homes and churches as many townspeople fled. One church has been torched and two others have been pillaged, the resident said.

Jihadis were said to have forced Christians to convert to Islam or face beheading.

Syrian state news agency Sana, however, reported that military operations were ongoing and the churches were “safe”.

September 8th, 2013, 8:28 pm

 

revenire said:

Syriahater no one gives a sh*t about your dam story. Go away. You’re a fraud with a capital F.

September 8th, 2013, 8:33 pm

 

revenire said:

Heads-Up copy paste King. LOL I actually laugh when you post.

Yeah yeah Assad is gonna get it. Assad this Assad that.

I bet you get up in the morning thinking about Assad.

September 8th, 2013, 8:35 pm

 

Tara said:

????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ????

????? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???????? (??????)

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September 8th, 2013, 8:38 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Stung REVENIRE! Swarm of bees on your ass again.

You must feel so tired thinking of all the lying and denying ahead that dam attack by Assad will need.

Already your bosses demand you have to provide 30% of the posts on this forum. Then you had the Assad chemical attack, and now this.

The tide of junk food wrappers and empty red bull cans around you at the computer must have risen to ear level. Can you even leave your seat?

September 8th, 2013, 8:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Plan for duration of strikes: 72 hours

The Los Angeles Times reported that the Pentagon has made contingency plans for 72 hours of intense strikes not only designed to deter Syria from using chemical weapons but also to degrade its forces.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/assad-denies-ordering-chemical-attack-and-warns-of-retaliation-against-any-us-strikes-1.1520400

September 8th, 2013, 8:43 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Sohr ( anti regime site ) poll about war on Syria:
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??? – 60.2%
?? – 39.8%

Gallup:
51% of Americans are against the war
51% of Syrians think the war in Syria will last more than 1-2 years

September 8th, 2013, 8:48 pm

 

zoo said:

Preparing an exit? The US to return to the UNSC? so what’s the point of the Congress vote?

http://www.china.org.cn/world/2013-09/08/content_29965415.htm

U.S. did not rule out the possibility of returning to the UN to secure a resolution on Syria once U.N. inspectors complete their report, Kerry said, adding that U.S. President Barack Obama had yet to make a decision on the issue.

September 8th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 

Tara said:

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September 8th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 

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September 8th, 2013, 8:57 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Below is a link to a video showing where airstrikes have hit the Euphrates dam and remnants of the bomb.

Bashar Assad’s Iranian bosses would think it’s fair game and smart strategy to hit Syria’s biggest dam and destroy the country’s electricity and agriculture infrastructure.

And the hate-fuelled Assad family agrees with them: the Syrian people need to be taught a lesson for disrespecting Bashar.

September 8th, 2013, 8:59 pm

 

zoo said:

Alawites escape jihadists in Syria, take shelter in Turkey

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/alawites-escape-jihadists-in-syria-take-shelter-in-turkey.aspx?PageID=238&NID=54073&NewsCatID=352

Many Syrian Alawites are escaping the violence in Turkey’s neighbor and have come to Istanbul, where they are living in the parks and streets. Some say their children were kidnapped by jihadists

In increasing number of Syrian Alawites, who fled from Aleppo to Turkey’s southeastern province of Gaziantep two months ago, have come to Istanbul in search of a safe haven.

Hundreds are now living in the parks and streets, mainly in the Kumkap?, Fatih and ?irinevler districts of the city. In the last week alone, Alevi associations, led by the Haci Bektas Veli Foundation in Istanbul, have taken more than 200 Syrians from the parks and streets and brought them to cemevis (Alevi worship houses) in order to provide them with shelter.

According to the accounts of these refugees, at least 3,000 escaped from an Alawite neighborhood in Aleppo two months ago, after being targeted by an al-Qaeda-linked jihadist group battling the Syrian regime, Jabhat al-Nusra. “The rebels attacked us in Aleppo. We had to run away. They were not Syrians, they were jihadists coming from other countries. Some of them come with the aim of jihad, and some of them come for money,” said Hasan (not his real name), who fled to Istanbul with his family.

‘Frightening rumors’

Witnesses spoke on condition of anonymity and asked for neither the name of the cemevi where they are being looked after, nor their names, be written.

They said they were afraid to stay in the refugee camps located in the border areas of Turkey with the other Syrians who had fled al-Assad’s forces. Although none have stayed in these refugee camps, they are frightened by the rumors they heard.

“The Turkish government wanted to take us to the refugee camp in Kilis but we resisted, we didn’t go. More than half of the Syrians in the camps are supporters of the opposition forces. They force people to go into Syria to fight against the regime. We also heard from our relatives who stayed in these camps that they were threatened with death, and that some women had been raped in the camps,” Hasan said.

“We know what has been going on in the camps. We heard women were being raped there, the supporters of the opposition forces dominate the camps,” said Hasan’s sister-in-law.

September 8th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

zoo said:

As long as the opposition does not officially condemn Al Nusra and the Jihadists, it remain an accomplice to their crimes and bear the responsibility of the death and tortures the Jihadist have perpetrated on Syrians.
The opposition have invited that cancer in Syria and keep feeding it.
No one will ever forget or forgive.

September 8th, 2013, 9:06 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian@ 603

Finally at last. Some Syrian Christians are dissociating themselves from the regime, speaking loud and clear and asking the regime not to buy and sell the blood of Christ.

September 8th, 2013, 9:06 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The Syrian opposition has not even tried to win the support of the country’s minorities. There is no program, or even meaningful discussion, of how a post-Assad regime might protect Syria’s Alawites from retribution. The Kurds are unwilling to fight for an opposition that says future arrangements for the Kurds will be decided democratically — in other words, by a Sunni Arab majority that has never shown any sympathy for Kurdish linguistic and citizenship rights, much less for their demands for regional autonomy. Nor has the opposition acknowledged or addressed the fears of Syria’s Christians.
Twenty-five years ago this month, I led a Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff mission that went along the entire Iraqi-Turkish border documenting the use of chemical weapons against Iraq’s Kurds. These are horrific weapons, and their use demands a response.
But the United States should be cautious about a strategy involving military support, including airstrikes and arms supplies, to a Syrian opposition that has neither the ability nor the inclination to reach out to Syria’s minorities. Such a strategy is not likely to succeed and, more important, we may not want it to succeed.
Peter W. Galbraith is a former U.S. ambassador and the author of two books on the Iraq war.

( as for maloula, both sides will try to look civilized and act as protectors of Christians but the buttom line is that the Christians in maloula did not invite the rebels and did not want them there, it is well documented that the army has a nominal presence in maloula for a number of reasons, if that precious town gets destroyed most people will blame the rebels not the regime, those rebels had no business being there)

September 8th, 2013, 9:13 pm

 

atassi said:

One more call :ideas for averting the incoming escalation!
1.Immediate and clear announcement of Assad intent to hand all executive power to a national transition panel (Army, civilians)
2.Immediate and clear announcement by the SNC of excepting the announcement and declaring any elements opposing it as outcasts
3.Immediate halt of all military activities
4.Reintegrate the deserted FSA into the national Syrian army
5.Declare the Syrian Army and Police the sole military and security forces
6.A UN NGO Facilitated a free and fair transition parliament elections process, taking into account the open and transparent competition among election candidates and ensuring the highest ethical and moral standard of electoral conduct.
7.Grant the freely-elected parliament most of the legislative power to effectively serve the interests of the citizens of Syria only.
8.Amend the current constitution to explicitly set a limited term for the presidency.
9.Remove any elements opposing the needs for institutional reform and draft laws to protect the civil and political rights of the diverse Syrian minorities and ensure they are fully represented in a national government.
10.Establish an independent localized transparent transitional nation rebuilding structure
11.Establish an independent transitional justice system to fight corruption and enforce transparency in public entities

September 8th, 2013, 9:14 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Come on weary REVENIRE, prod, prod keep rolling out your lines. You’ve already given us “it’s just lies” about the dam.

It’s quickly getting to the phase where you insist “naughty rebels commandeered Syrian airforce aircraft and did it”.

Then the next step, when you start telling yourself and others that it was a silly useless old dam anyway and Syrians don’t need (ie deserve) such infrastructure.

And finally, the best stage, where you say that Bashar was out of the room, sitting on the lavatory absorbed with his laptop, when the orders were given to bomb the dam.

September 8th, 2013, 9:17 pm

 

revenire said:

Who cares? A dam. A chemical attack. Assad Assad Assad.

Yawn. Same thing from Syriahater for years. I could have walked away for 5 years, come back and it would have been the same post.

September 8th, 2013, 9:23 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#608. GHUFRAN you have worrying memory loss. There was a lot of discussion by the opposition in the early stages about protecting the Alawites. And Moaz al Khatib had plenty of constructive things to say on this subject.

It led to Assad massively stepping up the scare and disinformation campaigns to worry the Alawites into becoming more dependent on him.

Was it you saying this – or are you pretending to quote some outsider again without any supporting references?

What’s WRONG with you GHUFRAN???

(No, don’t say anything. I don’t want to think about you).

September 8th, 2013, 9:27 pm

 

revenire said:

Khatib is forgotten by everyone. He’s a nothing. He never was something except a fictional character.

It is like this dam. Who cares? If u want to get worked up knock yourself out. It it is a military target then bravo. It not who cares?

September 8th, 2013, 9:30 pm

 

revenire said:

SL to me the bottom line is are you going to support cannibals or are you going to support a president who is protecting the population from the cannibals.

This is an easy choice for me. I am sorry you have a hard time deciding.

I hope one day you get what it is you want. I doubt Syria will ever satisfy you but who knows? When Assad gets old and his son takes over perhaps things will be better.

Just joking friend.

As far as the dam look at it this way: those who need a bath will get one. A lot of the videos indicate to me that many of the insurgents 1.) do not like bathing 2.) are unable to bathe because they’re so busy raping women or beheading priests (Father Paolo) etc.

This way they get a free bath. I think we can agree that isn’t so bad.

September 8th, 2013, 9:38 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara:
They know that the regime will have no problem what so ever destroying their historic town for some publicity and propaganda purposes
There is a famous story that all christians from Hama know, after Hafaz destroyed Hama and the battle was completely over, Hafez found out that only the masjids of Hama were destroyed and none of it church’s, so he ordered for the oldest church of Hama in the center of town to be demolished by explosive,so the Hama bombing can not be described as a sectarian war, all the pleading of went unread and was demolished , ask any Christian from Hama.

September 8th, 2013, 9:38 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

From using CW against civilians,to destroying Euphrate Dam , to bombing Maaloula
Assad decisions are getting very desperate,

Ghuran brought an article claiming that the Assad army in and around Maaloula is” nominal”
I have been to Maaloula several times and actually there are large military presence in that area, I dined in that hotel on top of the mountain, and looking at the left side the other hills are studded with houses of military officers, I counted over 30 houses in one area that I saw, brigade 155 is large one, to say nominal is very inaccurate

September 8th, 2013, 9:39 pm

 

Syrialover said:

REVENIRE #609, you sound so tired, so stale and jaded. Finding it an even greater struggle than usual to process stuff.

Those bees of reality are stinging your backside and you are too worn out to even brush them off. Even pouring Red Bull over your head and into your lap won’t revive you.

How you must be craving the end of this game. Don’t despair, it won’t be long before you and Team Assad lose your employer.

September 8th, 2013, 9:41 pm

 

revenire said:

Nusra beheaded Christians in Ma’loula. It is all over the American and Russian news.

I believe Obama said he is angry that his allies have attacked a Christian town and will now hold off bombing for another month to punish them.

September 8th, 2013, 9:41 pm

 

revenire said:

Who remembers Khatib? I can recall many here greeting him as the savior. Then came Hitto. Now no one even talks about these losers. They are gone.

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Yes. I am very very familiar with Hama Christians. And yes, they stand side by side to Muslims in Hama.

September 8th, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

revenire said:

SL sorry. I don’t get too excited about a dam being blown up. If the SAA did that they had a good reason. It rates a 1 out of 5 for me. What can I say?

September 8th, 2013, 9:44 pm

 

Syrialover said:

REVENIRE, here let me help you in your struggle.

Cut to the chase. Go straight to your last-resort dam destruction script:

“Bashar was out of the room, sitting on the lavatory absorbed with his laptop, when the orders were given to bomb the Euphrates Dam.”

September 8th, 2013, 9:46 pm

 

don said:

OBAMA’s death squads

Syria Islamist rebels take control of historic Christian town of Maaloula

(CNN) — An al Qaeda-linked rebel group has wrested control of the historic Christian town of Maaloula from regime forces, opposition groups said Sunday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the hardline Islamist rebels of the al-Nusra Front seized control Saturday night.

Antoinette Nassrallah, the Christian owner of a cafe in Maaloula, told CNN last year she had seen government TV images depicting radical Muslim attacks on Christians. She said she has heard about such violence in Aleppo.

“For now in our area here it’s fine,” she said last year. “But what I heard, in Aleppo, they are killing, destroying many of churches — very, very old churches.”

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/08/world/meast/syria-civil-war/

September 8th, 2013, 9:50 pm

 

revenire said:

SL I don’t care about the dam. Sorry. Like I said, if the SAA blew it to pieces they had a good reason – like with all they do.

I guess you wanted me to get excited about this but it isn’t that exciting. It is like the chemical attack stories = boring. The videos = boring.

Everyone knows the so-called opposition is a mess and lies about everything.

Frankly, after three years of crying “massacre” no one cares. The world gave the opposition the Middle Finger and backed Syria against Obama.

You saw all those people in Italy demonstrating for Syria this weekend.

What can I say? Tweets saying “Assad killed 1,000,000 people” are silly. No one believes you guys.

September 8th, 2013, 9:51 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Fortunately what I posted was not written by me, look at the source, Syria lover.
The rebels lost minorities a long time ago, nothing I say or you say will change this fact,
Keeping Sabrah in the NC and allowing kilo to write an article and attend a conference is too little too late.

September 8th, 2013, 9:59 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#623 REVENIRE you are brain dead and rambling. Still stuck in the stage of “it was a silly little dam anyway and deserved to be destroyed”.

Why don’t you just move on to the bit where Bashar wasn’t in the room when the orders were given to bomb the dam (see script #621)?

Answer: Because your handlers expect you to keep your posts to at least 30% of the forum here and you need to spin things out.

I’ve been too kind helping you. Game’s over.

September 8th, 2013, 10:00 pm

 

atassi said:

one more call——- :ideas for averting the incoming escalation!
1.Immediate and clear announcement of Assad intent to hand all executive power to a national transition panel (Army, civilians)
2.Immediate and clear announcement by the SNC of excepting the announcement and declaring any elements opposing it as outcasts
3.Immediate halt of all military activities
4.Reintegrate the deserted FSA into the national Syrian army
5.Declare the Syrian Army and Police the sole military and security forces
6.A UN NGO Facilitated a free and fair transition parliament elections process, taking into account the open and transparent competition among election candidates and ensuring the highest ethical and moral standard of electoral conduct.
7.Grant the freely-elected parliament most of the legislative power to effectively serve the interests of the citizens of Syria only.
8.Amend the current constitution to explicitly set a limited term for the presidency.
9.Remove any elements opposing the needs for institutional reform and draft laws to protect the civil and political rights of the diverse Syrian minorities and ensure they are fully represented in a national government.
10.Establish an independent localized transparent transitional nation rebuilding structure
11.Establish an independent transitional justice system to fight corruption and enforce transparency in public entities
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DO IT

September 8th, 2013, 10:02 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Assad Suggests Retaliation Against US in Charlie Rose Interview

September 8th, 2013, 10:03 pm

 

Syrian said:

Majed;
Not just the 155tth,The whole 3rd division is around the Qalmoan mountains and the huge castle that Shafiq Fayad built can be seen from the highway of Damascus Homs, the FSA were attacking some of its bases in when they stumbled on Ma’aloula witch had a huge army check point that they had to destroy,
The FSA did not capture Ma’loula because it was “christian” town, it just happened to be around the fighting areas.

September 8th, 2013, 10:04 pm

 

Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN you DIDN’T properly state a source – don’t you know how to?

September 8th, 2013, 10:06 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ATASSI #625 what you suggest should have been swung into place two years ago. And at many points since.

But it was impossible then and we know more than ever that it’s impossible today because the Assads will not move an inch.

They have shown their determination to destroy all Syria’s infrastructure and kill or force its entire population into refugee camps rather than concede the slightest fragment of power.

September 8th, 2013, 10:21 pm

 

Syrian said:

An RT (Russia Today) TV report showing clearly that Tanks of the mafia regime hitting Ma’loula with tank shell right next to the church of mar sarkis
http://youkal.net/2012-12-02-14-05-23/24-26/26647-??????-???-????-?????-??????-???????-???????

September 8th, 2013, 10:34 pm

 

Syrian said:

The attack on the head of Mar Taqla for speaking the truth has begun
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https://m.facebook.com/317735528320836/timeline/story?ut=69&hash=-4840625859479031619&wstart=0&wend=1380610799&pagefilter=1&ustart&__user=100003131418721

September 8th, 2013, 10:45 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

The only way US will not strike is for Assad regime to collapse,

Assad threat that he will retaliate will work in favor of Obama strike

September 8th, 2013, 10:49 pm

 

don said:

hehehehehehehe!

After Bold Step on Syria, French Leader Finds Himself Dismissed as Lackey

PARIS — As portrayed in a satirical television show here this week, President François Hollande is left behind to hold President Obama’s coat while the American leader and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia hold private talks. Mr. Hollande gullibly concludes he is playing a key role.

Later in the show, “Les Guignols de L’Info,” a rough French equivalent of Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show,” Mr. Hollande is seen interrupting a visit to a school to ask Mr. Obama’s permission to use the bathroom.

If Mr. Hollande ever thought that his decision to stand steadfast alongside the United States in backing a retaliatory strike against Syria would give him new stature on the global stage or help him at home, the last week has been a sharp shock.

Public opinion is running STRONGLY AGAINST him; a poll published this weekend in the conservative daily newspaper Le Figaro showed about TWO-THIRDS of the French OPPOSED to military action against Syria.

There are growing demands that he grant Parliament a vote on the matter, and considerable speculation that he could lose if he did.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/09/world/europe/after-bold-step-on-syria-french-leader-finds-himself-dismissed-as-lackey.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

September 8th, 2013, 11:00 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Sl,
This is the source, it is in my original post, it is time that you check with your optometrist
Peter W. Galbraith is a former U.S. ambassador and the author of two books on the Iraq war.
Back to maloula,
Why did rebels invade that town in the first place?
Another question:
Why does a popular revolution need foreign jihadists and foreign military intervention ?
I see that Atassi is moderating his language.
Without including acceptable regime and opposition elements in any future government no solution will be found and Syria will eventually get partitioned. I blame militants from all sides, the GCC and Iran for the failure to pursue a political solution.
I have to admit that such a solution is less likely today.

September 8th, 2013, 11:26 pm

 

Syrian said:

A petition to support actions against the use of chemical weopons in Syria
Please send it to all your contacts and put it in relevents web sites, FB, twitter…

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/support-us-action-to

September 8th, 2013, 11:34 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Key congressmen received a copy of the CSM article on maloula, I hope they read it.
Here is a piece of it:

During the storming of armed Islamists into Maaloula, in an attack they dubbed a “conquest” in reference to the era of Islamic conquests, they vandalized the church, considering it a “war prize.” This is also a tribal tradition that existed prior to Islam and was practiced by Muslims for a while during their wars to bribe tribesmen and talk them into accepting the idea of fighting Jihad with the prophet. Later on, the Prophet Muhammad set war standards, prohibiting the killing of captives, the burning of trees and ensuring the preservation of sacred sites of other religions.
However, in their fight against Christians, those attacking Maaloula are still implementing the old legacies of Islam in its early stages. Back then, the prophet was compelled to make concessions to gain the support of tribes in his conflict with the Quraysh — rich Arab tribes at the time — and those opposed to his call for Islam in the Arab peninsula.
Storming into Maaloula and calling upon its residents to convert to Islam as the only option to stay alive — only days prior to a possible US military attack against the Syrian regime — once again prompts questions about a potential alternative. While, according to the West, President Bashar al-Assad prevents the establishment of democracy in Syria, the Islamist opposition threatens —  if it were to usurp power — to destroy 1,000 years of religious tolerance in the Levant.
Nasser Chararah is a contributing writer for Al-Monitor’s Lebanon Pulse, as well as for multiple Arab newspapers and magazines, and the author of several books on the Hezbollah-Israeli conflict. He is also the head of the Lebanese Institute for Studies and Publications and has worked for the Palestinian Research Center.

September 8th, 2013, 11:37 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our all pervasive benefactors know all and hear all and bring the news to you before it happens. They have authorized the following heads up for release.

Nasser Charrarah is a known agent of hezbollah, and a full fledged resistance bum. He is a mediocre Lebanese journalist who often writes in the rag-tag mouthpiece of hezbollah, the lebanese newspaper, al-akhbar.

Check him out at the rag-tag al-monitor of Lebanon, which is also a mouthpiece for hezbollah,

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ar/contents/authors/nasser-chararah.html

September 8th, 2013, 11:56 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#635. GHUFRAN. Are you playing a game? Or do you genuinely not understand what people are talking about when they demand that you give a source???

Mentioning a name in a torrent of script is not giving a source. In fact it looks suspiciously like you are making it up.
Or pretending that what you have said is said by someone else.

WHAT is the date of what you are allegedly quoting? WHO is the author? WHERE was it published – what newspaper, book, web site? Is there an online link? That in standard necessary information.

If you can’t follow this simple rule taught in elementary school you cannot expect anyone to take you seriously here.

OK here’s an exercise. See if you get a pass or fail.

You mention “Peter W. Galbraith”. So where and when exactly did he allegedly write what you claim?

Galbraith himself would demand you put that, so people will know it is genuine and you are not just using his name for yourself.

Go on, do it.

September 8th, 2013, 11:59 pm

 

don said:

OBAMA Death Squads Executing Unarmed Civilian Christians in Maaloula

Al-Qaeda-linked fighters seize ancient Christian village in Syria

Al-Qaeda-linked fighters gained control of a Christian village northeast of the capital Damascus, Syrian activists said Sunday.

It was impossible to independently verify the reports from Maaloula, a scenic mountain community known for being one of the few places in the world where residents still speak the ancient Middle Eastern language of Christ Aramaic. The village is on a UNESCO list of tentative world heritage sites.

Rami Abdurrahman of the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the Nusra Front backed by another group, the Qalamon Liberation Front, moved into the village after heavy clashes with the army late Saturday.

A Maaloula resident said the REBELS, many of them SPORTING BEARDS and shouting ALLAHU AKBAR, or God is great, ATTACKED CHRISTIAN HOMES and CHURCHES shortly after moving into the village overnight.

“They shot and killed people. I heard gunshots and then I saw three bodies lying in the middle of a street in the old quarters of the village,” said the resident, reached by telephone from neighbouring Jordan. “So many people fled the village for safety.”

Now, Maaloula “is a ghost town. Where is President Obama to see what befallen on us?” asked the man, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal by the rebels.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/al-qaeda-linked-fighters-seize-ancient-christian-village-in-syria/article14179580/

September 9th, 2013, 12:03 am

 

Hopeful said:

#551 Zoo

” it’s better you shut up.”

Assadist tactics at their best!

September 9th, 2013, 12:03 am

 

ghufran said:

LA Times:
A dilemma for Syria’s minorities
Peter W. Galbraith is a former U.S. ambassador and the author of two books on the Iraq war.

The mostly Sunni Muslim rebels’ inability to win over the country’s Kurds, Alawites and Christians raises the question of whether their victory is even desirable.

September 9th, 2013, 12:19 am

 

Syrian said:

Here is the link SL
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77304367/

Ghufran probably dose not want us to see this from the article

“Syria’s largest minority is the Kurds, and their case is the most curious. Unlike the Alawites and Christians who have done well under the Assads, the Kurds have been brutally repressed”

September 9th, 2013, 12:28 am

 

don said:

China tells Washington to return to U.N. on Syria, urges caution

BEIJING (Reuters) – China’s Foreign Minister Wang Yi said relevant countries should “think thrice” before acting and exercise “extreme caution”.

” should return to the United Nations Security Council framework to seek consensus and appropriately handle the Syria issue,” Wang told U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry in a telephone call late on Sunday night.

Chinese state media said on Monday Obama’s “all-guns-blazing campaign to lobby” for armed intervention did not hold up and that a military strike on Syria would be a violation of international law.

“It is high time to let reason prevail over recklessness,” the official Xinhua news agency said in a commentary, which reflects official thinking.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/World/2013/09/09/China-tells-Washington-to-return-to-UN-on-Syria-urges-caution.aspx

September 9th, 2013, 12:29 am

 

don said:

AIPAC running into buzz saw of public disgust for wars: Webster Tarpley

Tarpley: I think we’re going to find that their influence has fallen fast and that they’ve chosen a battle that they’re destined to lose. AIPAC, I think, is much overrated. It’s sort of like the Israeli Defense Force before they invaded Lebanon or even in 2006. They are trading on the basis of victories that are now several decades in the past. No matter what their power might be, they are running into a buzz saw.

That buzz saw is the fact that the American people are not just sick of war but disgusted by war, as Congressman Grayson of Florida – of all places – was saying the other day, ‘the American people are simply fed up and disgusted’.

You’ve got to look at the count of the votes in the House of Representatives in particular. Remember, that the magic number is 217. 217 votes mean that the resolution will fail; the war bill will not go through. Normally it’s a little bit more but there are now two vacancies in the House of Representatives. As I am speaking here, we have one count, the ThinkProgress leftist group. They have 217 ‘no’ or ‘leaning no’. The more conservative, bank-oriented Washington Post has 205 ‘no’ or ‘leaning no’.

So, we’re told by Kerry and others that Obama’s got to convince the undecided. Well, if it’s 217, he can convince any number of undecided that he wants and it won’t go through.

The other thing is if AIPAC brings lobbyists, they will not be alone – believe me – in the halls of Congress. There will be dozens, scores, hundreds of peace activists in the halls of Congress. You saw those red hands up in the air while Kerry was testifying? The calls into those Congressional offices are running 100-to-1, minimum, against Obama’s war. In some cases, there is no single phone call coming into some of these offices in favor of war.

Let’s also remember, inside the Republican Party there is, of course, the traditional hatred of Obama, which is now coming into play in this case, ironically, on the side of peace. The guy who came in second for the Republican president nomination was Rick Santorum, and he’s also on record now saying ‘no’. He’s against it. I think AIPAC should not be overrated.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/09/322848/syria-war-aipac-running-into-buzz-saw/

September 9th, 2013, 12:34 am

 

don said:

Obama awaits approval as tensions in Syria rise

Logan Bayless, an Army veteran who served in Iraq and senior from Great Bend, Kan., said he feels the outcomes and goals for the U.S. in Syria are unclear.

While President Barack Obama awaits Congressional approval to send a warning signal to Syria for its use of chemical weapons, Bayless wonders what potential military action in Syria will mean for the rest of the world.

Bayless also said he sees parallel between the potential conflict in Syria and the way the U.S. entered war with Iraq.

“Most of us believed our government and we took their word for it (that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction),” Bayless said. “But we found out that was not the best thing to do.”

Though Bayless makes comparisons to Iraq, he said that a war in Syria would be a much worse conflict than the Iraq war. He said he fears that any action in Syria could lead to a ground war involving the U.S. or a broader regional war because of Iran’s alliance with Syria and Russia.

The Syrian army is more equipped for a counter attack than the Iraqi army was, which means the U.S. is more likely to get drawn into a ground war in Syria, Bayless said.

Because of the potential consequences of a U.S. intervention in Syria, Bayless said he would encourage students to do their own research beyond the mainstream news and read about the conflict in Syria before forming an opinion.

“It’s more important for everybody to not only not rush into this war, but also to question it,” Bayless said.

http://kansan.com/news/2013/09/08/obama-awaits-approval-as-tensions-in-syria-rise/

September 9th, 2013, 12:47 am

 

Syrian said:

The new and improved editorial of Al Quds Alarabi after Abdel Bari Atwan was kicked out.
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Read more
http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=82293

September 9th, 2013, 1:15 am

 

revenire said:

SL yes, Assad was out of the room and gave me command over the SAA. I ordered the strike on the dam.

Sorry.

September 9th, 2013, 1:25 am

 

ghufran said:

“Ghufran probably dose not want us to see this from the article

“Syria’s largest minority is the Kurds, and their case is the most curious. Unlike the Alawites and Christians who have done well under the Assads, the Kurds have been brutally repressed”
(I actually agree with the statement, kurds were not treated well by arabs governments including the Syrian regime)

Here is a piece from an assessment about alqaida:

By Deborah Charles

WASHINGTON | Mon Sep 9, 2013 12:15am EDT

(Reuters) – A weakened al-Qaeda has the potential for resurgence in Syria, where the turmoil of civil war could help revive one of the group’s close affiliates, a report by a U.S. think tank said on Monday.
“It is too soon to predict the long-term threat posed by al Qaeda and allied groups as the movement is undergoing a transition that may end up proving to be its last gasp; but the right set of circumstances in the unstable Middle East could also revive the network,” the Bipartisan Policy Center’s Homeland Security Project said in the report called “Jihadist Terrorism: A Threat Assessment.”
One of the most effective Syrian rebel groups fighting President Bashar al-Assad is the Nusra Front, effectively a branch of al Qaeda. Opponents of President Barack Obama’s plan to attack Syria point out that hitting Syrian government forces in response to a chemical weapons attack last month might end up helping Nusra.
“Al Qaeda’s future rises and falls in Syria to some extent,” said Peter Bergen, an al Qaeda expert and one of the co-authors of the threat assessment. “We can look around the world – there are actually a lot of places they’re not doing well. But clearly they’re doing very well in Syria.”

one more reason not to strike Syria:

By Oliver Holmes and Khaled Yacoub Oweis

BEIRUT/AMMAN | Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:34pm EDT

(Reuters) – Military sites in Syria are packed with soldiers who have been effectively imprisoned by their superiors due to doubts about their loyalty, ex-soldiers say, making them possible casualties in any U.S.-led air strikes.
Thousands of loyal security forces and militia, meanwhile, have moved into schools and residential buildings in Damascus, mixing with the civilian population in the hope of escaping a Western strike, according to residents and opposition activists.

September 9th, 2013, 1:33 am

 

Syrian said:

A petition to support actions against the use of chemical weapons in Syria
Please send it to all your contacts and put it in relevant web sites, FB, twitter…
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/support-us-action-to

September 9th, 2013, 1:37 am

 

Syrian said:

(I actually agree with the statement, kurds were not treated well by arabs governments including the Syrian regime)
That is not what the statement said

How about the rest if the statement?
“Unlike the Alawites and Christians who have done well under the Assads”

September 9th, 2013, 1:42 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

SYRIAN

Unlike the Alawites and Christians who have done well under the Assads

I actually disagree with this statement. The assads robbed both communities of their real representation, like the did with the kurds, the sunni arabs, and all other groups in Syria. The worst, least civilized, and most brutal and thuggish bastards in each community were the ones selected by the assads as “representatives” of the community in their machine of theft, intimidation, and torture.

What the assads call representation was merely their clients within each community. These clients have presented a deformed view of the community’s need. Just consider the substantial deceline in the number of Christians in Syria, during the time when Syria was supposed to be the most “secular” country in the ME.

For the Alawite, a majority of them were kep in poverty, so dependent of state resources, especially within security and oppression machinery of the regime. I know several retired alwaite officers who now lament the state the Army they have worked very hard to build, but are still too afraid to face up publicly given the backlash they expect in their villages and towns from the assad’s surfs. But the situation was similar in poor sunni villages and neighborhoods all over the country. The shabee7a did not all come from one place, each town, village, neighborhood, and even building produced its own thugs, which were all connected to the corrupt gand called assad mafia.

To many of the capable, from all over syria, the way out was to immigrate, be it for temporary, yet lifelong stay in the GULF, or to a more permanent, secure citizenship of Europe North America, and Australia. Families would be eager to wed their daughters to expats, for that gave the family a bridge to self imposed exile, and allowed their daughters a chance for a better life, even if their domestic happiness was not guaranteed, it was a necessity of escaping the bullies.

Poverty and illiteracy were the assads best friends and they worked hard to perpetuate both in the vast majority of Syrian communities. They were the tools he used to ensure that the young men, drafted in his army and his security machinery are fed constant barrage of propaganda, given excessive amount of power over those who are far better educated, and much more qualified. His officers allowed these saps “brush” on some cheep life luxuries, such as the case when the “personal guards” of a colonel accompany their master into a banquet hosted by one of the corrupt-business men, and are given the scraps of the table. The “special” soldiers may have had a fancy dinner, but their boss, had dinner and walked out with a bag of cash or a sweet partnership deal in a business he did not deserve, and did not invest anything in but his bullying. In assad’s farm, bigger fishes gave scrap to little fishes and they all fed, like Parana on the wealth and dignity of Syrians, poor and rich. It was a predatory frenzy, and the thugs on this board are in all likelihood beneficiaries of this frenzy. The Lebanese thugs are no special case, for they know well that the salafi party of nus-lira and its thugs, would not have accumulated such power over Lebanon due to their own abilities, but for the meddling, sabotage, and assassinations they were able to carry out with the help of the assads and under the protection of assad’s goons in Lebanon.

September 9th, 2013, 2:36 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

–continued—
At the end of Assads rule, both the Alawites and Christians are left not with being better off than before, but with insecurity, fear, self-perpetuated hate to the others, and much uncertainty about their future in their own homeland. In essence, they are no different from the other Syrians. They have received the ultimate of assads contemptuous inhumanity. Would such a state be called “better off”. Fools are those who think they are protected by some mafia family whose major accomplishment within the minorities in Syria, was to gut the future of these minorities and to turn many of their proud people into mere surfs by robbing them of real opportunities and by making their self perception so dependent on the lasting of the thuggery and crimes of a gang of murderers. There are of course voices within all syrian communities that are aware of this, who fought against it, who paid dearly and will continue to pay until the assads rule is fully eradicated from Syria, its tools demolished and its masters punished for their crimes against humanity, especially in Syria and its neighboring countries. How do we rebuild our communities after such destructive half a century will be the biggest challenge any nation can face. It will take a lot. The biggest challenge would be those who would opt for fake victimhood in order to do nothing worthy of real communities.

September 9th, 2013, 3:00 am

 

don said:

“Overwhelming disapproval” from Americans for Syria strike, congressmen say

There’s “no doubt about it,” though, that the bulk of Americans oppose U.S. involvement in Syria, Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., said later on the program; Rep. Justin Amash, R-Mich., in the same segment, agreed.

Amash said in town halls across his state he has gauged “not just disapproval of the war – overwhelming disapproval – from Republicans, from Democrats. And when you’re dealing with an issue like war, you must take into consideration what the public thinks. You’re asking people to possibly send their loved ones into harm’s way.

“…Based on the objectives that the administration has laid out, based on the strategy they’ve laid out,” Amash continued, “I can’t come up with a reason right now why the United States should support this action.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57601892/overwhelming-disapproval-from-americans-for-syria-strike-congressmen-say/

September 9th, 2013, 3:02 am

 

Badr said:

Same War, Different Country

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

The center exists in these countries, but it is weak and unorganized. It’s because these are pluralistic societies . . . but they lack any sense of citizenship or deep ethic of pluralism. That is, tolerance, cooperation and compromise.
. . .
We’ve struggled for a long time, and still are, learning to tolerate “the other.” That struggle has to happen in the Arab/Muslim world, otherwise nothing we do matters.

September 9th, 2013, 5:14 am

 

Hopeful said:

House #23 in the neighborhood. Every night, the father comes back home drunk. One can hear screaming and shouting for hours. The next morning, the mother and kids walk around with visible bruises on their faces. Who did that to you? The neighbors ask. They do not answer. They seem terrified.

One day, they start telling the people in the neighborhood that their father is beating them up every day. That day, the screaming and shouting seem louder than usual, and the next morning, one can see that the bruises and cuts on their faces are deeper.

Should we get involved? The neighbors ask each other? It is none of our business, they conclude. Why should we bother? The guy is obviously crazy, and the mother and kids have never really been that friendly to us. They always seemed different. We can just ignore them all. One neighbor says: I go out with that guy every night drinking. Don’t you dare spoil my nightly fun!

One day, one neighbor had enough and decided to step in. I’ve had enough, he says. He walks to the house and knocks on the door. The door opens. The father tells the guy this is a domestic issue, that he has no right to get involved. He threatens to burn down the entire neighborhood if anyone tries to stop him from “disciplining” his family. Show me the proof that I am beating them up, he says. You have none, he says. These bruises mean nothing, he says. They are beating each other. My wife is actually crazy, he says. She beats herself up every night, can you believe that?

The neighbors got really angry…. at the intruding nosy neighbor. Who cares about them? They say. We have families to feed, friends to visit, lives to live. Don’t you dare get involved and burn down our neighborhood.

September 9th, 2013, 6:19 am

 

Alan said:

Malik Obama’s oversight of the Muslim Brotherhood’s international investments is one reason for the Obama administration’s support of the Muslim Brotherhood, according to an Egyptian report citing the vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Egypt, Tehani al-Gebali. In a news report on Egyptian television of a Gebali speech, translated by researcher Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian Liberation Organization operative, Gebali said she would like “to inform the American people that their president’s brother Obama is one of the architects of the major investments of the Muslim Brotherhood.” “We will carry out the law, and the Americans will not stop us,” she said. “We need to open the files and begin court sessions. “The Obama administration cannot stop us; they know that they supported terrorism,” she continued. “We will open the files so these nations are exposed, to show how they collaborated with [the terrorists]. It is for this reason that the American administration fights us
http://youtu.be/6dYKd8DX20E?t=41s

September 9th, 2013, 6:28 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

The “best” header of today

White House: Evidence against Assad not ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ but passes ‘common-sense test’

Well we have obviously been lied for decades of that Japanese sarin gas attack in 1995. The “common-sense test” says that Japanese Ground Self-Defense Force was/is the only which had knowledge and means of using chemical weapons. Members of Aum Shinrikyo could not have had that knowledge. Of course it is not ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that the Army did it under the commands of the “criminal gas-emperor” Akihito.

It is astonishing, that with this kind of “common-sense tests” a superpower is demanded to go to war. Well not to war – as Kerry said today: We are not going to war. We will not have people at risk that way. Bombing a country is obviously in the American leaders’ imagination not an act of war. So bombing USA would be obviously purely a “punishment”, not a …

“Common sense test” says that USA is lead by “not very talented” people, that is so also “beyond reasonable doubt”.

If a tiny Japanese terrorist cell was able to produce and use sarin gas almost 20 years ago, why is it with this “common-sense” reasoning impossible for a much larger, better resourced and financed extremist terrorist army?

September 9th, 2013, 6:50 am

 

Hopeful said:

#657 Badr

Thanks for sharing. A great post!

“In short, the problem now across the Arab East is not just poison gas, but poisoned hearts” – Thomas Friedman

September 9th, 2013, 7:02 am

 

AKbar Palace said:

Sim,

Don’t you think you’re spending too much time arguing with Syrian opposition supporters? I mean who are you to tell these people to give up fighting for their basic human rights while you live comfortably in a free country called Finland?

Why don’t you go back to your usually anti-Zionist platform? I’m sure you can find some Israeli-arabs that would prefer living somewhere else (just not sure where).

September 9th, 2013, 7:07 am

 

Hopeful said:

#660 Simohurtta

Why isn’t the Syrian regime trying to collect and show ANY evidence that the rebels did this or ANY evidence that the victims were the kidnapped villagers? Why aren’t they even PRETENDING that they are trying to collect and gather evidence? Why not even create their own internal committee to look into allegations that chemical weapons were used?

The answer should be obvious!

Instead, they first remained silent, then they denied that chemical weapons were used, then they accused the rebels of accidentally triggering them, then they accuse the rebels of intentionally launching them to invite intervention, then they accused the rebels of kidnapping villagers and bringing them to Ghouta to gas them. All without ANY evidence – circumstantial, common-sense, or otherwise!

September 9th, 2013, 7:14 am

 

Alan said:

U.S. practicing unconventional warfare (Al Qaeda, etc.) and its effect they will get!

September 9th, 2013, 8:02 am

 

Tara said:

The offer was just rhetorical. Killing one’s own people should not go unpunished.

It seems that when John Kerry told Syria it could only avoid military attack if it handed over its stocks of chemical weapons within a week, the most eye-catching line from his comments in London this morning, he was not being literal.

In an emailed statement of clarification the state department said:

Secretary Kerry was making a rhetorical argument about the impossibility and unlikelihood of Assad turning over chemical weapons he has denied he used.

His point was that this brutal dictator with a history of playing fast and loose with the facts cannot be trusted to turn over chemical weapons, otherwise he would have done so long ago. That’s why the world faces this moment.

The Guardian

September 9th, 2013, 8:41 am

 

revenire said:

One of the great things about this war is it actually could mean the end of Israel.

September 9th, 2013, 9:10 am

 

revenire said:

That petition has only 1900 signatures. There are that many against the war in this room alone.

September 9th, 2013, 9:11 am

 

revenire said:

I love how calm Assad is with Charlie Rose. Even CBS noticed it.

September 9th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

I see that you use a typical pro-rebels tactic: Amputate the sentence to give another meaning

Therefore I repeat the whole sentence I wrote:

“If you don’t have full proven evidence, it’s better you shut up.

I can see that you are enjoying playing the oppressed and hopeless victim. I have no sympathy for traitors to their country who call foreign powers to take over their country that fought hard against them to get its independence

September 9th, 2013, 9:20 am

 

zoo said:

Syrian army tries to recapture Christian village

The village is empty, and there are only 50 people there

http://gulfnews.com/news/region/syria/syrian-army-tries-to-recapture-christian-village-1.1229123

Beirut: Syrian troops launched an attack Monday on hills overlooking a Christian-majority village near the capital Damascus, two days after rebel forces captured the ancient community, an activist group said.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said fighters from the Al Qaida-affiliated Jabhat Al Nusra or Nusra Front and the Qalamon Liberation Front still control Maaloula, an ancient village that is home to two of the oldest surviving monasteries in Syria. Rebels captured the village on Saturday.

The battle has thrown a spotlight on the deep-seated fears that many of Syria’s religious minorities harbour about the growing role of Islamic extremists on the rebel side in Syria’s civil war.

Rami Abdul-Rahman, who heads the Observatory, said troops attacked the hills around Maaloula early Monday under the cover of heavy shelling. He said the aim of the troops appears to “isolate the rebels in the village”.

The village, famous for being home to two of the oldest surviving monasteries in Syria, is nearly empty of its inhabitants. Only around 50 people remain there, according to a resident who left the area in the past days.

September 9th, 2013, 9:32 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

John Kerry statement, that if Assad gives up all his CW in THIS WEEK,US may reconsider the strike , Muallem in Moscow with Lavrove,
I believe that there is offer by Syria in this regard, the question would Assad do this in one week?can we believe him that he will give up ALL his CW?could it be a maneuvre only to avoid the strike?
This offer only exposes the degree of fear inside the Assad regime ,they realized that the strike will degrade their military power,,they realize this strike may cause them to collapse, they are hanging on to a straw
Defections,losing grounds to FSA,losing airforce power,their morals has deteriorated both among the military and the top leadership, they are in deep trouble

September 9th, 2013, 9:39 am

 

ghufran said:

I agree that using CW in Syria should not go unpunished, I disagree with bombing Syria. I say take those who are proven guilty to international court and let them face justice. what rebels and their supporters want is revenge and domination not justice and partnership, revenge and justice are not interchangeable.
Kerry’s statement is further proof that there is an israeli role in all of this, forget the regime, why would any Syrian sign on a deal that takes away deterrence ability against Israel which has nuclear weapons and one of the best air force systems in the world ?
Obama fell in a trap that was set for him by members of his own cabinets and now he is stuck.

September 9th, 2013, 9:41 am

 

zoo said:

Public flogging and Sharia law now prevail in ‘liberated North of Syria’. Fanatics are ruling the area aiming at creating the Caliphate. Who will dislodge them? A ‘degraded’ Syrian Army or a patched up “secular” fighters?

Hidden struggle among Syria’s rebels

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23231763

On my last tour of rebel-held areas in northern Syria, the streets looked very different.

The black-and-white banners representing Islamist factions are now prevalent in most areas, instead of the green flag of the revolution.
Nusra Front in Saraqeb, checking its fighters at the entrance of the town Nusra Front in Saraqeb, checking its fighters at the entrance of the town

Abu Qudama, a Jordanian member of the al-Qaeda-backed al-Nusra Front, commands the Security Brigade in Saraqeb, a collection of Islamist fighters from different factions that enforces rulings of the town Sharia court.

He says the people of Saraqeb supported Islamic rule and demanded his faction’s intervention to administer civilian life.

One of the signs of the rising influence of Islamism is the Sharia court. In Saraqeb, the Sharia judge presides in the court, first over a car crash and later over an accusation of assault against another al-Nusra Front commander.

Outside the court, a civilian called Samir has come with a group of supporters to complain about a public flogging administered to his neighbour.

The man had been convicted for allowing his daughter to remarry before her period of enforced isolation had elapsed. For this he was flogged and is now too ashamed to show himself in public.

During a conversation about their vision of a future Syria, Abu Dujanah, an Iraqi-American who had recently joined the al-Nusra Front, expressed anger to hear fellow Sunnis talk about a parliamentary democracy with legislative elections.

For him this was the chance to establish an Islamic caliphate envisioned by the Prophet Muhammad in Greater Syria,

September 9th, 2013, 9:42 am

 

zoo said:

#672

“Obama fell in a trap that was set for him by members of his own cabinets and now he is stuck.

Israelis and Saudis are not stranger to the trap. They used all the means at their disposal to buy out Obama’s advisors

September 9th, 2013, 9:46 am

 

don said:

Syria: US strikes would help those who ‘blew up World Trade Center’

MOSCOW – Syria’s foreign minister accused Barack Obama of backing terrorists as the White House ramped-up its efforts to make the case for military strikes to punish President Bashar Assad’s regime for the alleged use of chemical weapons.

“We are asking ourselves how Obama can … support those who in their time blew up the World Trade Center in New York,” Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem said during a press conference with Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Moscow.

Lavrov said there was enough evidence to show that the rebels fighting Assad have chemical weapons themselves, raising questions about who was behind the gas attack on August 21.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/09/20399319-syria-us-strikes-would-help-those-who-blew-up-world-trade-center?lite

September 9th, 2013, 9:46 am

 

Tara said:

Ghufran,

I agree. If Assad is taken to The Hague and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity, the strike should not occur.

Now can you please have someone surrender him to The Hague.

No sarcasm intended. But one should offer a realistic alternative.

September 9th, 2013, 9:55 am

 

zoo said:

Around two years ago, the Russians approached the USA to set up a plan to ensure the control the use of the chemical weapons in Syria.
The USA was not interested.

I am not surprised that this plan is popping up again in view of the plausible failure of the resolution of a military strike.
In such deal Syria will not be asked to renounce the CW, but it may accept to keep it under a joint control with Russia and Iran.

If this happens, the opposition is finished. They will be politely asked to go to Geneva.
Of course, so close to a victory, Israel and Saudi Arabia will fight hard against any deal other than a military attack. The struggle may be bloody.

Nevertheless Kerry’s offer shows that Obama is seriously envisaging a defeat at the Congress and tries to find an honorable face saving exit.

September 9th, 2013, 9:56 am

 

zoo said:

DEM CONGRESSMAN: Obama Is Going To Struggle To Even Get 100 Syria Votes in The House

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/alan-grayson-syria-resolution-house-vote-whip-count-2013-9#ixzz2eP7E0QMH

“It’s almost incomprehensible to a rational person that they would ask us to go to war based on a four-page [unclassified] report and a 12-page [classified] report written by the proponents of war when all of the information can and should be readily available to all of the people with classified clearance.”

September 9th, 2013, 10:02 am

 

ghufran said:

Tara,
we have a week or two before the UN publishes its initial results and then another investigation to determine who was behind the attack. I do not see why the US has to bomb now if it was not an attempt to help the rebels and Israel.
BB is busy calling US congress members and lobbying for the bombing, those who say Israel has nothing to do with this are naive.
This is from aksalser not SANA, it was widely reported in Western press too:
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I do not see why we have to bomb Syria to the ground to punish one person or a small group of people, if Assad is found guilty nobody will protect him including Russia.

September 9th, 2013, 10:04 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Zoo
It is not Kerry offer, it is Muallem offer thru Lavrove

September 9th, 2013, 10:10 am

 

revenire said:

Iraq War Vet in Congress Opposes Syria Strike
WASHINGTON September 9, 2013 (AP)
By DONNA CASSATA Associated Press

One of two female Iraq war veterans in Congress is opposing President Barack Obama’s call for military strikes against Syria.

Democratic Rep. Tulsi Gabbard said Monday that she cannot support any resolution authorizing the use of military force. The Hawaii lawmaker said the Mideast nation does not pose a security threat to the U.S. and it would be a mistake for Americans to get involved in a sectarian civil war.

Democratic Rep. Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, who was wounded in Iraq, remains undecided about Obama’s request though she has expressed serious reservations about military action.

Gabbard’s opposition underscores the difficulty facing the Obama administration faces as it tries to rally support on Capitol Hill. The president is struggling to gain support with members of his own party.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/iraq-war-vet-congress-opposes-syria-strike-20199602

September 9th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

zoo said:

Just a reminder: Pierre Piccinin is a fierce pro-rebels journalist who entered illegally in Syria. When he was kidnapped, it was published that he was kidnapped by the regime for his pro-rebels stance. Now we see it was another lie.

Freed Belgian, Italian faced ‘mock executions’ in Syria

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/freed-belgian-italian-faced-mock-executions-in-syria.aspx?pageID=238&nid=54116&NewsCatID=359

Pierre Piccinin, the Belgian freed in Syria with Italian journalist Domenico Quirico, said Monday they faced “real violence” and mock executions after being captured by rebel forces in April.

Scant detail has emerged of their release on Sunday but Quirico’s newspaper said Italy’s secret services had stepped up efforts to secure their release ahead of feared US military strikes.

“Physically, we are okay despite the torture we suffered,” Piccinin told Bel RTL radio station shortly after returning to Belgium.

“There was sometimes real violence … humilation, bullying, mock executions … Domenico faced two mock executions, with a revolver,” he said.

Piccinin, a history teacher in a southern Belgian town, and Quericio, a correspondent for Italy’s La Stampa daily, entered Syria via Lebanon in April.

Shortly afterwards, the Western-backed Free Syrian Army picked them up and handed them over to the Abu Ammar brigade, a rebel group “more bandit than Islamist,” Piccinin told Le Soir daily.s

September 9th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

revenire said:

Most of the US is pro-Assad – something like 70%. There are no demonstrations for war.

September 9th, 2013, 10:14 am

 

revenire said:

Support grows for Russia view of terrorism increase after Syrian strike – Lavrov

More and more states share Russia’s belief that military action in Syria will only enable terrorism, according to Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. He and his Syrian counterpart have urged the West to focus on a peace solution.

As part of their meeting, Lavrov re-iterated Moscow’s full support for calls by the UN Security Council to bring chemical experts back to Syria to complete their mission.

He also emphasised that Damascus has reacted positively to Moscow’s urging for the opposition and the government to unite their efforts in expelling terrorists from Syria. “Although the situation is very serious,” both countries are certain that a political settlement is still possible, said the foreign minister.

On the subject of the chemical incident, the Russian FM stressed that “there is more than enough evidence to support the claim that the rebels are behind the chemical attack.” His counterpart, Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem, supported the view, adding that “there is the testimony of Mother Agnes – a Mother Superior at a monastery in Syria – suggesting that the whole affair with the chemical weapons was a staged frame-up operation.”

The Syrian FM questioned America’s proposed idea. “We ask about the motivation of US to launch a strike against us”, he said, emphasizing that “diplomatic efforts have not been exhausted.”

He also argued that the impending intervention will first and foremost affect the peaceful Syrian population. “As history shows, the first victims in any military conflict are women and children”, the FM said.

The Syrian FM went on to express his admiration with a large portion of the American public for voicing their outright disagreement with the proposed strike. He also praised the Russian administration for its continuing efforts to “prevent an act of aggression”, adding that the Syrian side “holds in high regard the unflinching position of Russia’s President Vladimir Putin.”

The much-delayed Geneva-2 peace talks were also on the meeting’s agenda, with both ministers admitting that any chance of getting both sides to the table is very welcome and much needed.

Lavrov, for his part, said that any aggression by the United States would derail the talks. “We shall continue working to prevent any intervention from taking place,” the FM said, adding that if the US is as concerned as it claims about the issue of chemical weapons use, “that issue can be solved.”

The meeting comes on the heels of yesterday’s incident involving Turkish jets and additional troops deployed to the border with Syria, in the country’s south-east, following reports of “movement” there, reportedly after an explosion.

http://rt.com/news/lavrov-syria-foreign-minister-603/

September 9th, 2013, 10:15 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

It seems the Russians are offering that face saving solution to Obama.
He should jump on it instead of facing a humiliating defeat at the House.
Of course that would enrage Israel and the Saudi lobbies.

September 9th, 2013, 10:16 am

 
 

Tara said:

Ghufran,

How could the UN investigation ever conclude culpability? It is impossible to determine culpability through the UN team collecting samples. The sample will provide evidence of the use of chemical weapon but will not prove who ordered it.

Therefore, the evidence comes from the fact that the US intercepted a conversation where a regime man ordered the attack. Of course in addition to the fact that the regime has the stockpile and the delivery method while the opposition lacks it. And that the rocket loaded with Sarin was launched from the regime land to the rebels land.

Ghufran, how else you think culpability can be proven? Sample? Victim’s interview? Really how?

September 9th, 2013, 10:19 am

 

revenire said:

Obama turns US Air Force into Al Qaeda’s Air Force

Republican Senator Ted Cruz said in an interview with the Blaze television network that by insisting on a military operation President Obama is turning the US Air Force into al-Qaeda’s Air Force.

“The President has been advocating arming the rebels in Syria in a move that makes no sense whatsoever. Of the nine major rebel groups that are fighting there right now at least seven of them appear to have some significant ties to al-Qaeda. I’ll give you one of the simplest principles of foreign policy that we are to be following, which is ‘don’t give weapons to people who hate you, don’t give weapons to people who want to kill you.”

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_09/Obama-turns-US-Air-Force-into-Al-Qaeda-s-Air-Force-expert-4347/

September 9th, 2013, 10:22 am

 

don said:

679. ghufran said:
BB is busy calling US congress members and lobbying for the bombing, those who say Israel has nothing to do with this are naive.

This is from the Israeli media. Today is AIPAC day in Congress.

Assistance, persuasion: Netanyahu joins Obama’s cause

AIPAC has been doing its part for US president; Israeli officials say prime minister has joined efforts, spoke with members of Congress, government officials, to persuade for support attack

At an hour that US President Barack Obama is struggling to achieve a majority in Congress to support an attack on Syria, he is aided by pro-Israeli groups, at the front of which is AIPAC. Additional surprising assistance in light of the tense relations between the two, is coming from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Ynet learned Sunday.

Israeli officials close to the prime minister told Ynet he recently held talks with members of Congress, government officials and AIPAC officials, to explain the importance of American military action against the Assad regime. Incoming Ambassador to the United States Ron Dermer explained in Washington the Israeli position on the attack.

The deep involvement of AIPAC, an organization that is in on many briefings and receives information from Israeli sources regarding sensitive issues such as Iran’spush for nuclear capablities or the war in Syria, shows that Israel is not really sitting on the sidelines.

In addition, 250 members of AIPAC are expected to flood the Capitol for the historic vote to put pressure on members of Congress in support of the attack.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4427269,00.html

September 9th, 2013, 10:22 am

 

revenire said:

The US didn’t intercept anything – Israel did.

Show us the proof Obama. Tell the world it was Syria’s enemy Israel who faked the evidence.

You’re clueless Tara.

September 9th, 2013, 10:23 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Some recent quotes from Shaykh Yaqoubi (shared on facebook):

Posted on 4th September

‘The land of Shaam is the land where victory for Islam starts; it is the land of Imam Mahdi and the land where Prophet Isa (peace be upon him) will come down. Western powers aiming to harm the Syrian people will not reach their goals and will badly fail. They are welcome to rid us from Assad as he is the worst enemy of Islam.’

– Sayyedi Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi

September 9th, 2013, 10:28 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

663. Hopeful said:

#660 Simohurtta

Why isn’t the Syrian regime trying to collect and show ANY evidence that the rebels did this or ANY evidence that the victims were the kidnapped villagers? Why aren’t they even PRETENDING that they are trying to collect and gather evidence? Why not even create their own internal committee to look into allegations that chemical weapons were used?

The answer should be obvious!

Instead, they first remained silent, then they denied that chemical weapons were used, then they accused the rebels of accidentally triggering them, then they accuse the rebels of intentionally launching them to invite intervention, then they accused the rebels of kidnapping villagers and bringing them to Ghouta to gas them. All without ANY evidence – circumstantial, common-sense, or otherwise!

Well Hopeful how could the government inspect what happened on the rebel side? The government denied being behind the gas attacks and did let UN to inspect. What else could it do in those circumstances. Maybe all the hundreds of rebel groups could prove not having chemical weapons. Surely numerous trained Syrian chemical war expert soldiers have defected during this civil war and joined the jihadists. Claiming that the rebel side doesn’t have needed know-how and training is totally unfounded. Al Qaida has studied chemical warfare for decades, as Israelis and USA have so often claimed. If a small Japanese terrorist cell could do it, certainly the much larger and stronger Al Qaida is capable of that.

I must admit that on one of the first videos which emerged showing only military age men and children laying on the floor obviously dead is a strange combination. Where were the dead mothers in that video? I read that during the attack Syrian schools had holidays so children should have been at home with their mothers and siblings. Anyway this and other unclear details must be inspected thoroughly before nations rush to war.

Demanding nations and maybe the whole world to go to war because of some cruel and horrifying anonymous videos, very unclear and incoherent claims is simply not acceptable. Without doubt those behind the chemical attacks must be punished, but only when it is 100 percent clear and proved who did it. There is no hurry and reason to kill more in that revenge. The case must be ‘beyond reasonable doubt’, passing some idiots ‘common-sense test’ is not enough.

We Finns have also an interest in this escalating war. We have our soldiers in UN troops in Lebanon. If the Persian Gulf is closed by Iran the economical “waves” hurt us as much as it will hurt all Europe and rest of the world. This is no private matter of “Obamas” and Syrians. We all have to pay of that what will follow.

——
662.

Akbar to whom is Israel going to give back Golan if (= when) Syria is divided? Are you going to take more as in the old Zionist plans is planed …

September 9th, 2013, 10:30 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Posted on 31st August

‘For those who support Bashar Assad, they will be held responsible on the Day of Judgement for supporting an enemy of Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) and an enemy of Islam.

For those who are against a military strike, your ignorance of what is happening in Syria is so embarrassing; so better you keep silent.

For those have done nothing to help the Syrian people, Allah will ask you what you did to prevent the killing of men women and children, the raping of your sisters in Syria and the torture of over 200.000 prisoners in the dungeons of Assad.

For those who cry that the conflict is between Wahabis and Assad, I say we and the Syrian people all united against Assad and we are not Wahabis nor the Syrian people are.

Wahabis have come from around the world to fight Assad and spread their ideologies; what have Sufis around the world done to fight Assad and support the Syrians and support the Deen of Allah and spread the way of Ahl Al-Sunna?’

– Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad al-Yaqoubi Hafidahullah!

September 9th, 2013, 10:31 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Posted on 30th August

Syria is the land where the real Christ Sayyiduna Isa (Peace Be Upon Him) will come down and where the real Mehdi of Ahlu’Sunnah will reside. We are preparing to receive both.

Blessed Shaam Sharif.

– Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad al-Yaqoubi

September 9th, 2013, 10:33 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Posted on 30th August

‘The West has an agenda; Syrians have an agenda; and Allah has his plans.

The West’s agenda is to support Israel. Ours is to get rid of mass murderer Assad and his gang and reestablish Muslim Syria. The plans of Allah for Shaam are to prepare for the coming of the Mehdi.’

– Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad al-Yaqoubi

September 9th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Ghufran said why US doesnot wait,
There is major risk on thousands of innocent civilian lives, children included, the risk of imminant holocaust requires immidiate action,US has to protect further loss of thousands lives

September 9th, 2013, 10:35 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

LOL, most US is pro-assad. The dirty troll wants to think this way.

US is not pro assad, they think of it as a dog-poop full of ticks that they don’t want to bother with, dog-poop athad is so insignificant that most US people think that with all of its boasting and barking, it is not even worth spending a few missile on.

September 9th, 2013, 10:36 am

 

zoo said:

693. Uzair8 sai

The guy your keep quoting is cracking up like a rotten nut.

Spare us the sound.

September 9th, 2013, 10:37 am

 

ghufran said:

Who said that the investigation is only good if done by a government that is hostile or friendly to the regime?
The US credibility is in question after Iraq and that makes a US investigation inadequate, I assure you that most Syrian Americans are not happy with this fact but it is a fact.
There is an army of investigators at the UNSC disposal. People have complained that the investigation of Hariri’s assassination is taking too long (the reason in my opinion is simple, the UNSC could not prove that Syria was behind it), but there are many recent cases where war criminals were arrested and taken to court. This may be a good way to help force a regime change if suspicions of guilt are high in the case of CW, nobody in the international community will defend people who used CW.
Curiously enough, rebels supporters skipped my questions:
1. why did rebels attack Maloula in the first place
2. why do you need foreign jihadists and international intervention if this is a popular revolution?

September 9th, 2013, 10:39 am

 

revenire said:

I fully support Russia’s call:

Moscow proposes Syria’s chemical disarmament in exchange for peace
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_09/If-establishment-of-control-over-chemical-weapons-in-Syria-can-help-avoid-a-strike-Russia-will-immediately-join-it-Lavrov-7982/

Bravo Mr Lavrov!

September 9th, 2013, 10:43 am

 

don said:

Blumenthal and Himes, ‘skeptical’ on Syria strikes, hears from constituents

U.S. Rep. Jim Himes and U.S. Sen. Richard Blumenthal told area residents Sunday that they are not sure how they will vote on a resolution that would grant of President Obama approval to strike Syria.

Based on the comments from constituents who filled the Darien Library for a community discussion, area voters are against military action.

More than 400 people crowded into the library Sunday, Sept. 8, for the town-hall-style meeting. Most of those who spoke are hoping that Connecticut’s representatives in Washington tell Obama that a Syria military campaign is not what the nation wants.

Anna McGovern, who was raised in Syria, said the people of Syria are being used as “pawns in a proxy war” and she hoped that the nation’s leaders would consider everything before getting the U.S. involved in another war.

“Before you cast a vote to send more of our children and to send innocent lives in Syria to their deaths, weigh, weigh every piece of evidence,” she said. “There should be no doubt. If there’s any doubt, then you should cast a no vote,”

Sandra Eagleman of Stamford wondered if military intervention would really make things better, especially with more people possibly potentially dying.

“When I see these pictures of children who are suffering and dying from the chemical weapons there and my heart opens and I want to help, how is more violence going to help?” she said. “When we helped Iraq, a million Iraqis were killed.”

Other residents worried about America getting involved in a war that would only benefit major corporations and not necessarily the people of the country in question. Some also did not want to take action because of how long it may take to exit.

http://www.eastoncourier.com/6080/himes-skeptical-on-syria-strikes-hears-from-constituents/

September 9th, 2013, 10:46 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Here is the loser’s logic of the dog-poop chemical athad snorting trolls and loyalists

Syria spends Billions of Dollars, the energy of some of its most bright people (at least those who stayed in Syria) to develop a program of internationally banned cehmical weappon. The stated goal (achieve parity with Israel)

Looks like parity achieved and even surpassed.Not even Israel can kill as many Syrians as dog-poop chemical athad did.

Congratulation 7afer, may you, and your loyalists, rot and in hell.

Secondly. Billions of dollars investment will now be wasted by giving up the banned program only to preserve wet-pants dog-poop chemical athad , the whole thing will now be scrapped. Of course this is what happened to laughing pieces of shxxt like dog-poop chemical athad who do not learn from the lesson of other fools like saddam husein.

And giving up the “strategic parity” will naturally be sold now as victory for dog-poop chemical athad and its snorters. Wow, impressive standards.

Dumb snorters just wasted their dislike. I edited and now I am calling their master wet-pants dog-poop chemical athad

The missed the wet-pants part. Most likely because they also are now wet-pants

September 9th, 2013, 10:48 am

 

zoo said:

Majed

You were wrong. It is Russia who proposed to Moallem. Syria has not yet replied.

Russia has offered Syria to put its chemical weapons under international control, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.

After talks with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem in Moscow, Lavrov called on Syria to “place the chemical weapons under international control and then have them destroyed”.

“We have passed our offer to Al-Muallem [Syrian Foreign Minister] and hope to receive [a] fast and positive answer,” Sergey Lavrov said.

“We are calling on the Syrian government to reach agreements on the putting their chemical weapons storage facilities under international control, subsequent destruction of these weapons, and on the full-fledged joining to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW),” he said.
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_09_09/If-establishment-of-control-over-chemical-weapons-in-Syria-can-help-avoid-a-strike-Russia-will-immediately-join-it-Lavrov-7982/

September 9th, 2013, 10:56 am

 

ghufran said:

The ultimate goal for people is to live in peace and freedom, people who suffered from war are best qualified to appreciate peace. There is an opportunity for peace if the US and Russia reach the conclusion that their little kids in the region need to change course and are not able to win. This is why a parity or a semi parity with israel is important for peace, and this is why those who want to unilaterally disarm Syria are pro israel and anti peace, the regime is being used as an excuse to achieve larger strategic goals to help Israel and hurt Iran, this is where I disagree with some of you who can can not see beyond their nose.

September 9th, 2013, 10:59 am

 

revenire said:

Majed is always wrong. I can’t remember a single thing he’s been right about in over three years of 1000s and 1000s of posts.

The goal is peace.

Syria’s chemical weapons are a strategic deterrent against Israel. That was the entire reason they had them. If they determine they don’t need them – via Russian guarantees – that is good news.

This will further frustrate the madman Obama.

Putin has completely humiliated Obama.

Assad 13
Obama 0

September 9th, 2013, 11:07 am

 

zoo said:

Thanks to the Syrian opposition lack of support from the Syrian people and the West’s short-sightedness obsession of quick regime change in Syria….

Al Qaeda may rise from ashes of Syria: report
The Washington Times

The current turmoil in the Arab world and in particular Syria’s 2½-year old civil war could revive the fortunes of a battered al Qaeda, according to a report from the former co-chairmen of the 9/11 Commission.

“The civil war in Syria may provide al Qaeda with an opportunity to regroup, train and plan operations. Foreign fighters hardened in that conflict could eventually destabilize the region or band together to plot attacks against the West,” former Rep. Lee H. Hamilton and former New Jersey Gov. Thomas H. Kean wrote in a summary of the report’s findings.

SEE ALSO: Weasel words? Assad says there is ‘no evidence’ he used chemical weapons

Titled “Jihadist Terrorism: A Threat Assessment,” the report was published Monday by the Bipartisan Policy Center, a Washington think tank.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/9/al-qaeda-may-rise-ashes-syria-report/#ixzz2ePN0G7be
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
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September 9th, 2013, 11:08 am

 

Syrian said:

Syrian Hamster@ 654
I agree with you that the statement by itself don’t stand but as a whole in compression to the Kurd minority status it is valid in that sense,
I took issue with Ghufran taking part of the whole statement, then water it down spun it a little more, then agreeing to it, sI put that missing statement from Ghufran article to Syrian lover as an example of why Ghufran might have did his usual way of not posting links to his posts.
Yet that part of the statement you mentioned is also very important issue and some Syrians believe in it.While of course it is not fair to generalize, but its war and in war most don’t have the luxury of being able to think fairly,
Same way they minorities have been demanding assurances, they have not shown or made some steps to at least be neutral or shows some sympathy to the just cause of the majority
They know the regime is using them, like putting the Christians Michelin Azzar after Darayya massacre to do the most horrible interview ever of a frighten kid sitting over the corpse of his mother, not objecting to Waleed mo3lek lies about hitting eastern Ghouta to protect them in Bab Toma and Jaramana and not to stand and expose his lies dose not help their case.
I agree with you that the Assads picked the worst from every city, town group and sect to be their representives, and I’ will add the current religious Christains leadership was picked by the regime the same way it picked Mofti Hasson,

still they have not been moral as they should be, of course there was the great Basel Shahda, and father Paolo,and others, but they were the exceptions,

the statement by the Youth of Kassa3 and Bab Toma that was issued yesterday was a good start and example I hope more wake up to the regime manipulation of them

September 9th, 2013, 11:12 am

 

revenire said:

Syria sends jets to taunt Cyprus

TENSIONS soared when two RAF Typhoon jets were scrambled after reports that Syrian ground attack fighters had entered Cypriot airspace.

The incursion, later dubbed a “goad-and-probe” sortie, happened within days of six Typhoon fighters, the UK’s newest interceptor jets, arriving at RAF Atrokiri, Britain’s military base in Cyprus, in readiness for any attack by Syrian forces.

The scare also led to Turkey scrambling two F-16 fighters from its base in Incirlik after radar detected “suspicious flights” over Northern Cyprus’s eastern coast.

Last night the Ministry of Defence confirmed the deployment of two Typhoons after the unidentified fighter jets, thought to be Russian-made Sukhoi Su-24s, were spotted but said they did not leave international airspace before flying away.

However, Cypriot newspapers cited reports by local air traffic control sources that the Syrian air force jets had been observed flying over the city of Famagusta well within North Cypriot airspace.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/427802/Syria-sends-jets-to-taunt-Cyprus

September 9th, 2013, 11:15 am

 

revenire said:

The second hostage freed yesterday with the Belgian, and who is a veteran war correspondent for La Stampa also says he overheard rebels say it was not Syrian troops who used chemical weapons:

Quirico: “E’ folle dire che io sappia
che non è stato Assad a usare i gas”
http://www.lastampa.it/2013/09/09/esteri/quirico-e-folle-dire-che-io-sappia-che-non-stato-assad-a-usare-i-gas-D6D63hs2C8E7yMNEDINwGL/pagina.html

September 9th, 2013, 11:19 am

 

Tara said:

I think the coward will surrender his chemical weapon to avoid the strike. He will wait until the last second but will agree to it. The strike is not going to happen and he will continue slaughtering Syrians using approved weapons with impunity.

September 9th, 2013, 11:24 am

 

zoo said:

Chemical weapons are bad deterrent. The Al Ghuta attack shows very well that any group can fabricate them , use them and accuse the government in the international arena.
Nuclear may appear to be a much better one as it can’t be fabricated in a garage and used on small scale.
Yet Iraq is an example of how just hints of intention to use them can trigger a strong international reaction.
All WMD are not believable deterrent anymore. After Hiroshima, Nagasaki and recently Fukuyama, it is clear that only mentally deranged leaders would make use of nuclear weapons.
The world has changed. People know the consequences of a nuclear attack. They won’t allow it to happen.
The Middle East should be WMD free.

September 9th, 2013, 11:26 am

 

Hopeful said:

#692 Simo

“Well Hopeful how could the government inspect what happened on the rebel side?”

Classic! The Syrian government cannot in anyway come up with ANY evidence because this is a rebel side, but at the SAME TIME, you demand that the US come up with a “beyond-a-reasonable-doubt” evidence to implicate Assad in a completely different country!!

I repeat what I said: I see the rebels and their backers work hard to collect and gather evidence, and I hear THE SAME story from them. What I hear/see from the regime’s side is a new story every day, and not a single attempt to collect evidence. Heck they did not even talk about the victims who are supposedly Syrian civilians killed by the rebels in this heinous crime!

September 9th, 2013, 11:29 am

 

zoo said:

708. revenire

Very smart move from Syria: North Cyprus is Turkey’s Achille’s heel.

There will be no international protest for that simple reason:

“The international community, with the exception of Turkey,[3] does not recognise Northern Cyprus as a sovereign state, but rather as territory of the Republic of Cyprus under Turkish occupation.”

September 9th, 2013, 11:32 am

 

revenire said:

We have a very special “heads-up” to give to you, our esteemed readers, regarding the Russian checkmate of Obama.

Our private and respected sources inform us that upon hearing the news Obama collapsed to the ground in a fetal position, rocking back and forth, repeating the words “damn that Putin, damn that Putin” over and over.

Our private and well respected sources tell us that Kerry is on his knees consoling the humiliated Barry Obama.

Syria 1224
Obama -0

September 9th, 2013, 11:34 am

 

revenire said:

Yes Zoo, I am very happy to see the Syrian air force frightening the planes of that weak island no one pays any attention to (I refer to the home of the Beatles – England).

Assad is laughing at Cameron.

September 9th, 2013, 11:36 am

 

Syrian said:

“the regime is being used as an excuse to achieve larger strategic goals to help Israel and hurt Iran, this is where I disagree with some of you who can can not see beyond their nose.”
So said the resistance preacher sitting very comfortably in the US with all his family around him, asking the Syrians to do a war that can never be won by military ,nor the current regime was ever serious to do it, while syrian kids are dying left and right in the most horrible way, he ran away from the fight and now asking other people to pay with their kids while his kids and grand kids enjoying life to the fullest
What a hypocrite.

September 9th, 2013, 11:38 am

 

revenire said:

“Syrian” faker why not go to Damascus and fight? The only war here is one of words and your side always loses that one.

If you believe that Assad is killing children why not put your life on the line to stop it coward?

September 9th, 2013, 11:42 am

 

Hopeful said:

#669 Zoo

“I have no sympathy for traitors to their country…”

Ah – another great Assadist tactic!

Zoo, you are no better than the radical Jihadis you like to say how much you despise. They call anyone they don’t like an “infidel” and condemn him/her to death. You label anyone whom you do not like a “traitor”. To them, a true “believer” is anyone who follows their insane ideology. To you, a true “patriot” is anyone who licks Assad’s boots.

Well let me tell you something. They have no right deciding who is a believer and who is an infidel, as much as you have no right deciding who a is a patriot an who is a traitor.

I consider myself a patriot because I want freedom and dignity to my homeland. You consider yourself a patriot because you care about the “nationality” of the missile that is bombing them from the air!

Note that I included “…” in my quote lest you accuse me of intentionally trying to take things out of context.

September 9th, 2013, 11:44 am

 

ghufran said:

with or without an agreement with the US, Assad and Makhlouf clans will not be able to do business as usual, they will focus on areas that are still under regime control but that will not be enough to satisfy their hunger for money and power, I know for sure that when this war is over the next uprising will be in the coast if the same corrupt people try to extend their monopoly on money and power.
20,000 soldiers did not die to keep things the same, a change is needed and that means changing people at the top.

September 9th, 2013, 11:44 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Edward Dark hasn’t tweeted since 27th August.

I suppose the chemical attack puts someone like him (position-wise) in a difficult position.

September 9th, 2013, 11:49 am

 

revenire said:

Syria has accepted the Russian proposal.

The American warmongers are on suicide watch.

Assad 2457
Obama -123

September 9th, 2013, 11:50 am

 

zoo said:

Hopeful

You are right, you are as much a patriot as the Tunisians, Morroccans, Libyans and Chechens and other ‘friends of Syria’ that you have invited to invade Syria to give your country the ‘freedom’ it did not have.
Looking at the result, you should be proud to be part of the “patriots” that have destroyed the country and brought misery, humiliation and despair to the Syrians instead of ‘freedom and dignity’.

September 9th, 2013, 11:53 am

 

revenire said:

Uzair you like Twitter. Enjoy.

Prudence ?@dennygirltwo 7 Sep
“@atomiktiger: #Syria rebels have killed 80,000 Christians in Homs alone. Beheading is common. http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/319747-limited-intervention-in-syria-is-an-illusion … #tcot #ccot #UniteBlue

September 9th, 2013, 11:57 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

If Obama does not go on with the strike he will look very impotent.
For Assad to give up CW is great concession,but it is not enough, he should be punished.
A strike that degrades Assad military capability,is needed for Obama to look strong,it should force Assad to give more concession.
If Assad gives more concession now,then he can avoid the strike.

September 9th, 2013, 11:57 am

 

zoo said:

From ‘limited’ to ‘small to “unbelievably, small, limited”
when is the world ‘symbolic’ going to be used?

Kerry Strikes Fear in Syria with ‘Unbelievably Small’ Strike

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/09/09/kerry-strikes-fear-in-syria-with-unbelievably-small-strike/

‘U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States is considering only an “unbelievably, small, limited” strike on Syria as punishment for allegedly using chemical weapons and he insisted military action will not end that country’s civil war.;

September 9th, 2013, 12:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Syria: Damascus streets a day before Congress reconvenes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24010060

September 9th, 2013, 12:02 pm

 

revenire said:

Zoo the possibilities for the humiliated Kerry are endless: tiny, very small, diminutive, petite, flyspeck, minute, slight, mini, wee, miniature, trifling, insignificant, negligible, microscopic, puny, pint-sized, infinitesimal, teeny-weeny, Lilliputian, dwarfish, teensy-weensy, pygmy.

I am sure there are far more creative pro-Syria posters than myself here who can embellish on this.

September 9th, 2013, 12:07 pm

 

zoo said:

In parallel with Russia, a new resolution is floating in the Congress asking Syria to comply with the Chemical Weapons ban in exchange for the cease of hostility and a comprehensive peace plan

Dems float Syria alternative

President Barack Obama would have to detail a comprehensive diplomatic, political, humanitarian and military strategy toward Syria under a proposal drafted by a pair of Senate Democrats obtained by POLITICO.

The resolution was written by Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Heidi Heitkamp (D-N.D.) and is seen as an alternative to the compromise measure approved last week by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that gives Obama 90 days for military action in Syria, and bans ground troops there.

The Democrats’ proposal would give Syrian President Bashar Assad 45 days to comply with an international chemical weapons ban after which “all elements of national power will be considered by the United States Government” in reaction to alleged chemical weapons usage by Assad’s forces against hundreds of Syrians.

But Obama would also face a 45-day deadline of his own under the Manchin-Heitkamp resolution. The White House would be required to submit a strategy to Congress that would review all aid to the Syrian opposition, detail “efforts to isolate” terrorist groups within Syria from future governments, coordinate security with allies Jordan, Israel and Turkey and limit Iran’s support of Assad.

Heitkamp and Manchin’s bill would also ask Obama to sketch out humanitarian efforts for millions of displaced Syrians and refugees in surrounding nations. Both senators oppose the 90-day limited military intervention set for consideration in the Senate this week.

The two senators have yet to win any additional co-sponsors for their measure but have begun actively shopping their alternative to lawmakers in both parties, a Democratic source said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/manchin-heitkamp-float-syria-alternative-96466.html#ixzz2ePcZatBt

September 9th, 2013, 12:09 pm

 

zoo said:

UK’s Cameron joins calls for Syria to surrender chemical arms

‘a step forward’ forward what?

http://www.courant.com/news/nation-world/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-britain-20130909,0,5548755.story

September 9th, 2013, 12:14 pm

 

ghufran said:

I am glad that “bomb bomb bomb” advocates are talking because that helps others understand why this rebellion failed to win public support. Syrians may be poor but they are not stupid, they have seen how the rebels behave and who is giving them money and how they treat other Syrians, they have also seen jihadists who are not Syrian and jihadists who do not even speak Arabic.
My two simple questions about the “revolution” and Maloula were never answered, we all know why, this is a war not a revolution, this means we need to stop the war first and not make it worse, then it will be easier to tackle other issues.
Those who want justice should not be calling for the destruction of the Syrian army, instead they should demand an investigation and accountability, I really think that all masks are off, I am ashamed that some of you have, or had, Syrian passports.

September 9th, 2013, 12:15 pm

 

zoo said:

Khan al Assal is coming back to haunt France, the UK and Saudi Arabia.

U.N. rights team aims to probe chemical weapons in Syria: del Ponte

http://www.courant.com/news/nation-world/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-chemical-rights-20130909,0,4414887.story

GENEVA (Reuters) – U.N. human rights investigators hope to get into Syria soon to try to find out who carried out apparent chemical attacks and other war crimes, Carla del Ponte, of the U.N. commission of inquiry on Syria, said on Monday.

Del Ponte gave no time frame for a visit but said that the team was in touch with U.N. chemical weapons inspectors and awaited their findings from the scene of an August 21 poison gas attack. She said the rights team’s work would continue whether or not the United States carried out mooted punitive military strikes against the Syrian government over the attack.

“We are in touch with Syrian authorities to enter and we are on the right track,” she told the Swiss Press Club in Geneva.

September 9th, 2013, 12:18 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our all pervading benefactors who know all and hear all can bring you the news before it happens. They just made the following heads up and analysis available for release.

The snake is in full cunning mode, desperate, and seeking to get away with the poisonous crimes that it committed in the Ghouta on Aug. 21. It now agreed to the American ultimatum. It deceptively says it will destroy its OWN poison!!!

However, we at heads up do not believe that a snake can live without its poison. So it is the opinion of our distinguished benefactors that the snake is deceiving. We are certain the snake will seek to hide the major part of its stockpiles of poison before it destroys a nominal portion of it in order to deceive the world. But rest assured the snake will not succeed this time as it did with our forefathers.

Our benefactors believe that the snake will transport its poison to the head of yet another bigger snake, i.e. the mullocracy of Iran. When things cool down, its master snake will reimburse it with all it needs to carry out its poisonous mission and continue committing crimes against humanity as its habits tell us.

For that reason, our benefactors are continuing to work hard, around the clock and behind the scenes to circumvent this deception of a snake running out of its cunning wit. They will continue to press ahead with wider scope and objectives for military strikes against the very head of stockpile of poison until the head is completely destroyed. Our benefactors also believe that such course of action of letting the snake get away with crimes ALREADY committed sets a very bad precedent for other bigger snakes such as the snakes of Iran and N. Korea.

Rest assured that nothing short of the total destruction of the head of the snake would suffice. As long as the snake is alive and slithering, the world can never achieve peace.

Mr. Obama, a Noble Peace Prize Winner, ought to know that peace can only be achieved with strength and NOT through the deception of snake cunning.

September 9th, 2013, 12:22 pm

 

zoo said:

Knowing that the US is looking for a face saving exit, the ball is now in Syria’s hand

Syria welcomes proposal on chemical weapons
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/09/201399144556640217.html

Syria has said it welcomes Russia’s proposal for the country to put its chemical weapons under international control, Reuters reports quoting Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem.

The reaction followed a statement by the Russian foreign minister on Monday that it had Syria to put its chemical weapons under international control if the move would avert military strikes

Sergey Lavrov said he had already conveyed the idea to Moallem during talks in Moscow and that Russia expected “a quick and, I hope, a positive answer”.

As well as handing over the weapons and having them destroyed, Syria should also become a full member of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Lavrov said.

September 9th, 2013, 12:22 pm

 

Syrian said:

717.
revenire,
I would not talk to you like I talk to Ghufran, because we all know you are nothing but a troll, loser with no life , that no one take seriously,
on the other hand Ghufran unlike you we take him seriously because he talks out of his principles,

Shoo,stay away,

September 9th, 2013, 12:24 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#722 Zoo

You can twist the facts, and my words, as much as you want, but all my comments on SC are on the record – you cannot bully me. I dare you to find a single comment from me condoning, praising, or even accepting Jihadis or foreign fighters.

On the other hand, I will be happy to show you many posts where you condone, and even praise, Assad and his gangsters: a brutal and corrupt regime that stole Syrians’ pride, dignity and wealth and is now killing them indiscriminately. You cry foul when a US drone kills Afghani’s civilians by mistake (as you should) when it goes after a known Al-Qaeda target, but you praise Assad when he indiscriminately shell an entire neighborhood because its Syrian residents (or traitors as you would call them) are sympathetic to the rebels. What hypocrisy!

September 9th, 2013, 12:26 pm

 

revenire said:

So, your answer is no fake Syrian, you are not willing to fight for what you drone on about. You’re a coward and don’t even really believe what you post about.

September 9th, 2013, 12:28 pm

 

zoo said:

Headsup

Of course Bandar Bin Sultan and his Israeli lobbies friends are working hard to derail any proposition that would threaten to destroy the effect that the chemical attack on al Al Ghuta has achieved.

I am sure they are working on another plot to force the Americans to vote for the resolution.
Time is running out and it is getting very competitive as the Syrians are showing amazing intelligence in counteracting these plots.

September 9th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

revenire said:

Hopeful the entire world stands with Assad against Obama. No one supports a war with Syria.

September 9th, 2013, 12:30 pm

 

sf94123 said:

At least be on the same page:
“In London, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry was unmoved by Assad’s denial, saying he would be confident going into any courtroom with the evidence gathered by the United States that Syria’s government used chemical weapons against its people. On the other hand, McDonough said on Sunday, This is not a court of law. “The common-sense test” says he is responsible for this.”

We all know a chemical agent was used in the GHUTA.. Americans and the world need to know for certain who used it- High probability or common sense test is not applicable and it is not a valid reason to go to war in Syria- Show us the proof- not a collection of videos and photos from the internet – The civil war in Syria is none of our business and don’t shove a new war down our throats. If you must do something for mankind- Go ahead and strike against our real enemies Sunni Muslim jihadist, Islamists, Jabhat Al Nusra and Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant who attacked us here on 9-11.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/jabhat-al-nusra-merger-al-qaeda-iraq_n_3044020.html

September 9th, 2013, 12:35 pm

 

zoo said:

#735 Hopeful

You are totally out of your mind. I have never praised any killing of innocents.

I have always recognized that the sole legitimate army in Syria is the Syrian Army and is has all the rights in the world to defend the country from invaders and criminals who want to replace the Syrian government with chaos.

I have repeated over and over that there should be negotiations in Geneva without any pre-conditions.

I consider the opposition responsible of all the killing because they have repeatedly refused to negotiate and have called on foreigners to kill Syrians .

And don’t manipulate what I wrote by adding “….”. Everybody knows where I stand

September 9th, 2013, 12:39 pm

 

don said:

Remember Libya ZOO. It was supposed to be just a No Fly Zone. wink wink …

725. zoo said:
From ‘limited’ to ‘small to “unbelievably, small, limited”
when is the word ‘symbolic’ going to be used?
Kerry Strikes Fear in Syria with ‘Unbelievably Small’ Strike

September 9th, 2013, 12:40 pm

 

zoo said:

Et Tu, Paris? France’s Hollande Faces Growing Opposition Against Syrian Intervention

Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/09/09/et-tu-paris-frances-hollande-faces-growing-opposition-against-syrian-intervention/#ixzz2ePlgCzxo

September 9th, 2013, 12:43 pm

 

revenire said:

Support for war evaporating… only 22 Congressmen are for it

Uphill battle for Obama: Where Congress stands on Syria

WASHINGTON — President Obama faces a daunting and uphill battle to win congressional authorization for a military strike on Syria, a USA TODAY Network survey of senators and representatives finds.

The comprehensive poll of Congress finds that only a small fraction of the 533 lawmakers — 22 senators and 22 House members — are willing to say they will support the use of force in response to the reported use of chemical weapons by the Syrian regime. Far more overall — 19 senators and 130 House members — say they will oppose a resolution that would authorize military strikes. There are two vacant seats in the House where lawmakers resigned and have not yet been replaced.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/08/usa-today-network-survey-of-congress-on-syria-as-obama-lobbies-for-support/2781739/

September 9th, 2013, 12:43 pm

 

ghufran said:

In principle, anything that helps save Syrian lives should be welcomed but people do not want a deal that keeps the regime in place and strip Syria of the ability to deter Israel while the latter is allowed to keep nuclear weapons and occupy Arab land.
If Assad needs to go he should at least make sure he is not remembered as the president who gave all to keep his seat and avoid prosecution. I am not jumping to any conclusions because I am not sure what is the scope of this initial agreement with Russia but it won’t surprise me to see Assad and his associates make a U-Turn on a number of issues to keep their seats. Let us wait and see.

September 9th, 2013, 12:46 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

US will demand immidiate take over of CW by UN, destroy ALL CW , and arrest and punish those who were involved in using them,Syria must accept to join the ban on CW
UN must convene and approve such resolution.
US position officially is not known yet.
Would Russia veto such resolution?

September 9th, 2013, 12:55 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

“Battah” seems to have “quacked” under pressure. So much for “Mukawamah and mumanaah”. Let’s wait and see.

http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-handover-619/

September 9th, 2013, 12:56 pm

 

Sami said:

“Everybody knows where I stand”

Yes, it is very clear to anyone not blinded by the sectarian and thuggish hatred that has filled you where you stand.

Keep standing there and soon enough you’ll drown in the blood your master is spilling.

September 9th, 2013, 12:57 pm

 

revenire said:

This is for Akbar Palace:

Syria / War “200,000 missiles pointed at Israel by Hezbollah”!
Syrie/Guerre : “200.000 missiles du Hezbollah braqués sur Israël”!!
http://french.irib.ir/info/moyen-orient/item/273978-syrie-guerre-200-000-missiles-du-hezbollah-braqu%C3%A9s-sur-isra%C3%ABl

:. “The United States planned to overthrow the Assad regime after three months three months have increased tenfold without Assad falls, although it across some thirty allies under the banner American countries, having sworn his loss “recent victories of the Syrian army plunged into deadlocked U.S. and Arab plans and blocked the way for the smear campaign to destroy Assad with the Syrians. the release of Qousseir was probably the climax of the military successes of the Syrian army, and a rotating plate that has changed everything. At this rate, Israel biggest loser of a victory Syrian state can feel safe. American Arab war against Syria may lead to the downfall of Assad if the United States continues ç bet on takfiris terrorists qaidistes, and other nosratistes they arm, entailing for months. Americans therefore have three options before them:
Show indifference in this case, which is impossible given the immediate effect that this indifference would on the ground and that would result in the victory of Assad maintain the status quo, continue to support terrorists. in this case the war of attrition will continue to the detriment of Americans will their allies because the terrorists are far from being effective a real army. these are mercenaries who e go to war in exchange for money. Attacking Syria militarily with prior work own propaganda to convince international opinion of the merits of the war, something difficult if not impossible, since the public is allowed to more fooled by campaign lies of its leaders?. it is also for this reason that the United States has been obliged to postpone military action .. because no doubt the falsity of the chemical argument Washington to attack Syria. the sarin gas, the whole world knows, has been provided to terrorists by Western manufacturers. and then how can we believe that Assad has gassed his people while leaving his opponents shoot scenes and disseminate all the images? brief is sewn with white thread and the lie is too large to pass. the fact remains that the resistance is ready to go all the way … 200000 Hezbollah’s missiles are pointed at Israel. all the sensitive points of the Zionist entity are accessible for Hezbollah rockets. and if countries like Saudi Arabia and Jordan also involve them in the war against Syria, they are not immune to the response of resistance … “

September 9th, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

revenire said:

“US will demand immidiate take over of CW by UN, destroy ALL CW , and arrest and punish those who were involved in using them,Syria must accept to join the ban on CW
UN must convene and approve such resolution.
US position officially is not known yet.”

Majed if the US position isn’t know I am baffled by how you already know their response. Are you really John Kerry?

September 9th, 2013, 1:07 pm

 

revenire said:

Ghufran I am stunned that after all this time you believe Assad is going anyplace. That isn’t even being considered. It is not part of a solution. It is a non-starter for discussion. It is really could be labeled a call for more death because it is so extreme.

September 9th, 2013, 1:08 pm

 

Rancher said:

Russia is backing the CW weapons turnover and Assad seems to accept it. It was Kerry’s idea and is an out for Obama so maybe this might happen. Assad doesn’t really need them, he’s winning, so why not get rid of them if it takes away an excuse for US action?

September 9th, 2013, 1:11 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors work hard, behind the scenes and around the clock giving them the unique characteristics of hearing all and knowing all. So they can always bring you the news before it happens. Our distinguished sources gave the following most important heads up which is now released for public consumption.

Well, the US did not buy the snake’s gambit as expected by our benefactors and lobbied for hard by them. The US just announced that a military solution with Ass-Snake-Head has become an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY thus short-circuiting any further talk of so-called political snake-like-cunning half measures.

Our benefactors have full confidence that America will always choose the right path which leads to human dignity and honor. That is destiny foretold.

Snakes may slither and cheat but their ultimate destiny is head crushing. Have no doubt America will do the right thing.

September 9th, 2013, 1:17 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Susan Rice is so far completely ignoring Lavrove initiative,she is talkin about strike only

September 9th, 2013, 1:20 pm

 

revenire said:

Bravo Dr. Assad the surgeon!

CHARLIE ROSE: But now they say, their words, a “butcher.” Comparisons to the worst dictators ever to walk on the face of the earth. Comparing you to them. Using weapons — that go beyond warfare. Everything they could say bad about a dictator, they’re now saying about you.

BASHAR AL-ASSAD: First the following have — doctor who cut the leg to prevent the patient from the gangrene, if you have to, we don’t call him butcher, we call him doctor. And you — thank you for saving the lives. When you have terrorism, you have a war. When you have a war, you always — you always have innocent lives that could be the victim of any war.

September 9th, 2013, 1:26 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our deeply entrenched benefactors work hard, around the clock and behind the scenes in order to keep you always informed by getting you to know the news before it happens. They now have the following very very important heads for you to read.

Just in case you haven’t noticed, the words dictator and doctor in Arabic sound similar. In addition, those with mediocre knowledge of Arabic script, like Ass-Snake-Head, can easily confuse the two. Arabic does not have the vowel letters which would make the distinction quite obvious for the reader or listener.

When Ass-Snake-Head is asked a question in any language, it has to refer to the frame of reference which is the Arabic script. Sometimes, the Ass-Snake-Head out of presumed cunning would feigns ignorance and suppose dictator means doctor or vice versa.

It is obvious that Ass-Snake-Head confused the two terms when responding to the beguiled Charlie Rose who obviously didn’t know what Ass-Snake-Head was talking about.

This is how Ass-Snake-Head pictured the question in its poisoned head:

??????? = ?????= ???????

Dictator = Doctor = Tractor

September 9th, 2013, 1:41 pm

 

Alan said:

We’re witnessing the last grotesque convulsions of a dying empire. As it threatens humanity with annihilation, it’s also nauseating the still sane among us with an unending farce, as in the hypocrite Kerry declaring, “this is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter,” but John, you lying cynic, the world has been asked to be a mute audience to American mass murder for how long now? But Johnny wants more, much more.

Feigning outrage, the former anti-war darling and Democratic Presidential candidate was talking about the Syria chemical attack, which was likely the work of America itself, through its crazed terrorists, though Washington is trying hard to convince incredulous listeners that Assad somehow did this just so the US of A could have the excuse to destroy him, along with thousands of innocent Syrians. Putin called this explanation nonsense, and even branded Kerry a liar, and the UN has even concluded that an earlier chemical attack, also blamed on Assad, was committed by the American-backed “rebels.”

As in so many other wars, the US must save civilians by killing or maiming them, as well as poisoning their environments for centuries. Though the US routinely targets civilian infrastructures such as electrical stations and water treatment plants, and uses war means that murder long after the last bullet is fired, as in cluster bombs and depleted uranium, for example, it is now acting livid over Assad’s alleged use of sarin.

But in his ketchup-bleeding heart, Kerry knows full well that America’s aggression against Syria is not over sarin but natural gas. First of, Syria’s biggest supporter, Russia, is the world’s leading exporter of this stuff, and supplies Europe with nearly 40% of its needs, so that’s a lot of leverage, Watson. If overly irked by America’s puppets in NATO, Russia can retaliate by turning off the gas, as has been done several times already.

To wiggle out of this dependence, another source of natural gas was needed, and Qatar proposed a pipeline to Europe by way of Syria, except Assad would not acquiesce. Russia is Assad’s main protector, after all, and Russian navy ships have docked in the Syrian port of Tartus since 1971. Rebuffed, the US, France, England, Germany, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and others decided to back terrorists to unseat Assad. Aiming to destroy Syria, this charming group calls itself the Friends of Syria, naturally. A long time enemy of Syria, Israel also supports this hostility, though its escalation might just wipe a good chunk of this pariah state off the map.

Syria has agreed to a pipeline originating from Iran, however. A much less significant source of natural gas than Qatar, Iran will hardly dent Russia’s profits, and since it’s also a Russian ally, the gas flow to Europe will still be controlled by Moscow. So Russia has Europe by the balls, so to speak, especially in winter, when enough people freeze to death as is. Many countries are entirely dependent on Russian natural gas, while France only imports a manageable 14%, and the UK, none, so they can afford to kiss Uncle Sam’s withered ass a bit harder, though the Brits, interestingly this time, have opted out of the current madness.

A war on Syria, then, is an attack on Russia itself, and that’s why Russian warships are patrolling the Mediterranean. Countering the American menace, Russia will certainly be no silent spectator, and to show support for Russia and Syria, a Chinese warship has also shown up, with more coming. Though Washington talks of a “warning shot across the bow” or “tailored strike,” a quickie hit and run that won’t distract too much from the exhilarating start of football season, World War III might just erupt, for we haven’t been this close to universal calamity in half a century.

Two weeks ago, only 9% of Americans favored a military strike against Syria, but now, with such an onslaught of propaganda, up to 42% support it, but this figure might be exaggerated since it is reported by NBC News, a subsidiary of war profiteering General Electric.

Voices of dissent have surfaced even in the mainstream media, however, for wiser heads can’t help but realize that a war against Syria and Russia will bring much grief and terror to us all, including those busy watching a missed tackle or punt return. The New York Times even showed on its front page a photo of Syrian “rebels” about to execute kneeling, shirtless prisoners, with their heads close to the ground. Much more damning images exist, and the Times has surely known about them, but it is choosing to feature this now, as if to put the kibosh on Obama and his war mongers. CNN televised war nut McCain being challenged by outraged citizens at a town meeting, though it did allow the old POW to have the last word in a live interview.

As America oscillates over its death wish, Obama himself is blinking, and we can only hope that Barack will just go on unleashing unnatural, gaseous nonsense, and not Tomahawk missiles towards Damascus. It’s hard to believe, but this man has turned out to be more preposterous than Bush, so if the trend holds, our next President will be a Mummer, some Lucha Libre guy or, why not, a real rodeo clown. In any case, it was quite a spectacle to see Obama fly to Russia to become Putin’s court jester, for he delivered one joke after another, most of them unintended.

En route to Saint Petersburg, Obama stopped in Sweden, and there, promised that he would bug Putin about Raoul Wallenberg, a Swedish diplomat who died in Soviet custody in 1945. The Nobel Peace laureate never wastes a chance to appear humanitarian and noble, and the Swedes had also done him a favor by prosecuting Assange over that CIA-staged threesome, but the real reason Obama dug up this man, one suspects, was to draw a parallel between Wallenberg’s protection of Jews in World War II with himself trying to “save” Syrians today. Brilliant! He’s evoking this famous saver of Jews to mass murder more Arabs. In the process, though, he will trigger the deaths of countless others, maybe even you.

Mr Linh Dinh

September 9th, 2013, 2:07 pm

 

revenire said:

For my dear Akbar Palace… take it as good, or bad, news. Enjoy.

RT sources: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories

A chemical attack may be launched on Israel by Syrian rebels from government-controlled territories as a “major provocation”, a number of sources have told RT.

http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-chemical-attack-israel-618/

September 9th, 2013, 2:08 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Assad gave concessions under pressure, the congress understands that, so most likely the congress will go for more pressure on Assad to get more concessions

September 9th, 2013, 2:09 pm

 

revenire said:

The wise doctor has all things under control.

Free eye exams for all.

September 9th, 2013, 2:10 pm

 

revenire said:

More bad news for Obama and is lap dog Erdogan:

The PKK has just suspended its withdrawal from Turkey.

Terrorist PKK halts withdrawal from Turkey, maintains cease-fire
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-325823-terrorist-pkk-halts-withdrawal-from-turkey-maintains-cease-fire.html

September 9th, 2013, 2:12 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

A fuller response from the Syrian government should be expected, if they are serious about the Russian proposal to contain and destroy its stocks of chemical weapons.

Lavrov appeared to seize on the idea as a means of averting US military intervention.

“If the establishment of international control over chemical weapons in that country would allow avoiding strikes, we will immediately start working with Damascus,” he said.

“We are calling on the Syrian leadership to not only agree on placing chemical weapons storage sites under international control, but also on its subsequent destruction and fully joining the treaty on prohibition of chemical weapons,” Lavrov said after a meeting with his Syrian counterpart, Walid al-Moallem.

He added that he has already handed over the proposal to Moallem and expected a “quick, and, hopefully, positive answer”. Moallem was quoted by the French Press Agency as welcoming the Russian proposal.

Now Moallem ‘welcomes’ the proposal, but that statement is meaningless diplospeak at the moment. Of course he ‘welcomes’ the proposal sitting on the table, but neither he nor any other mouthpiece has given a sign that the government agreed or accepted the proposal.

In any case, such a containment is not a simple or quick process. The Syrian government can simply use the proposal to buy time. If they really believe a) that the US will not strike, then they have no reason to give up their ‘resistance’ weapons, nor to place them under another ‘international’ regime.

I think if the Syrians are serious about this proposal, they will do anything they can to spin it out, in hopes that the threat from America will dissolve. Of course, nothing in their calculations is for certain. Although Obama seems unlikely to garner a congressional sanction for a strike, it is not obvious what this means — I think it will merely stretch out the suspense for everyone.

It is a momentous proposal in one sense: Syria will have to surrender its sovereignty over a crucial part of its armaments against the Zionist entity.

The indications I will look for of seriousness on the part of the Syrian government is twofold: we will learn from the Syrian media itself that the government will sign the international chemical weapons convention, and we will see this proposal be actually touted by regime organs.

It took five months before the Syrian government got its sh** together and allowed in the UN inspectors. How long will it take to sign the chemical ban treaty? Will it take interim measures to make the world believe its word?

Some press reports not cited here in the last few days have noted that the Iranians are on board with the Russian proposal.

Can diplomatic pressure by the two Syrian allies make Syria move from ‘welcome’ to ‘acceptance’ to real concrete moves to place its chemical arsenal under international control?

It is a stark choice for the Assad regime. It can agree to the Russian/Iranian framework or not — “Agree on placing chemical weapons storage sites under international control, but also on its subsequent destruction and fully joining the treaty on prohibition of chemical weapons”

Will Syria agree? Will it waffle? Will it play?

September 9th, 2013, 2:13 pm

 

Alan said:

758. MAJED
Chemical weapons are weapons of the First World War-style!You simply have to imagine such as gum chewed by the majority of new American presidents! Certainly is not commensurate with the necessities of modern times!

Syria welcomes Russia’s offer to put its chemical weapons under intl control
http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-handover-619/

September 9th, 2013, 2:26 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Further to my comments above, an analysis from Timeon September 4th that looked at Iran’s role in the chemical weapons file preceding the Russian proposal:

Can Iran, Victim of Chemical Weapons, Help Fix the Syria Crisis?

As it happens, circumstances are something near ideal for drawing Iran into a diplomatic process. The key is the Islamic Republic’s horrific experience with chemical weapons in its 1980–88 war with Iraq. Saddam Hussein’s unchecked use of mustard gas, cyanide and other chemical weapons against Iranian front lines left Tehran with both a deep abhorrence of chemical weapons and a deep skepticism of the international community that did nothing to enforce the treaties banning their use. The question, analysts say, is what Iran does with those feelings.

If, as a crucial ally of Assad, Tehran can help coax the Syrian dictator to amend his behavior — perhaps by a dramatic gesture such as surrendering its stockpiles of WMDs to a third party, like Russia — the implications would be immense. Not only would chemical and biological weapons exit the Syrian theater, where combatants include Islamist extremists, but the West would also have an encouraging answer to the question of whether the Iranians, represented by a newly elected leadership, can negotiate in good faith on the question of controlling weapons of mass destruction.

More details of Iranian diplomatic moves that have been unnoticed here in comments, from Haaretz (emphasis added):

While United States President Barack Obama and his Secretary of State John Kerry continue their never-ending efforts to convince the Congress and America’s allies to support an attack on Syria, Iran and Russia are promoting a proposal for a diplomatic compromise that could prevent such an attack.

The details of the proposal are not known, but it was discussed by Ala Al-Din Boroujerdi, the chairman of Iran’s Parliamentary Committee for National Security and Foreign Policy, and his Syrian interlocutors a few days ago.

Reports in the Arab and Iranian media say Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem is expected to present the proposal to Russian President Vladimir Putin when the two meet on Monday. The proposal includes a plan for a “democratic transfer” of power in stages. This seems to be an improved version of the proposal presented in the past, according to which elections for the president of Syria will be expedited and President Bashar Assad will not run again .

In another proposal, which was reported in Haaretz last week, Syria will agree to completely remove its inventory of chemical weapons from the country and transfer it to Russia or another country. This proposal is also expected to be discussed in the meeting between Putin and al-Muallem. Other reports say al-Muallem will ask Putin for permission to move Scud and other missiles to the Russian naval base in Tartus, to protect them from the American attack. It is possible that the chemical weapons stores will also be moved to this base.

September 9th, 2013, 2:28 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Part 2 of the proposal:
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey must also stop sending jihadists, Islamists, throat-cutters, criminals, boogeymen, arms and weapons to Syria-

September 9th, 2013, 2:29 pm

 

revenire said:

This was a masterstroke by the Russians and Syrians.

Syria: Lavrov Checkmates Kerry Over Offhand Remark
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/syria-lavrov-checkmates-kerry-over-offhand-remark.html

September 9th, 2013, 2:57 pm

 

Afram said:

what-what-WHAT? Must see Video!
Check out the video below. You won’t be sorry.

In a scathing “opening statement” Saturday night, Fox News’ Judge Jeanine Pirro laid out the case against President Obama’s “dithering” on Syria – and it was damning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEJSoJvmNQ&feature=player_embedded#t=655

Judge Pirro to Obama: ‘Didn’t you win Nobel Peace Prize . . . Give it back!’

“Really, Mr. President?” Pirro asked rhetorically, before launching into a description of the building of Russian and U.S forces in the eastern Mediterranean and Iranian “fast boat” action in the Persian Gulf that poses a danger of conflict far wider than the “quick military slap” Obama’s talking about.

judge pirro haircut“It’s teed up,” Pirro said.

She also noted brutality of the Syrian civil war over the past two years that has killed more than 100,000. The gas attack – widely ascribed to Syrian government forces – killed about 1,400, Pirro said.

“Why is killing one way more heinous and worthy of our response than another?” she asked.

Pirro also called out Obama’s ludicrous statement last week in Stockholm that he had not drawn a “red line” against the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian war, and showed a clip of the president doing exactly that during a news conference last year.

“A lie is a lie is a lie,” Pirro said, noting the whole world had heard the president say something he now denies. And that fecklessness can have tragic consequences.

“Your red lines are nothing more than green lights,” she said.

And more than once, she brought the conversation into the context of the shameful attack on the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, where four Americans – including Ambassador Chris Stephens – were killed in a terrorist attack that the administration refused to even acknowledge for weeks afterward.

“You lost credibility when you left American in Benghazi, then fired up Air Force One to go to your fundraiser in Las Vegas,” Pirro said, in a brutal, unsparing takedown of the series of lies, misstatements and obfuscations Obama and his minions have engaged in over the past year.

“It’s amateur hour in Washington,” Pirro said.

It might be amateur hour in Washington, but Pirro’s 10-minute indictment of the Obama administration is one that bears repeating, in Washington and throughout the country.

“Didn’t you win the Nobel Peace Prize?” Pirro concluded, in her rhetorical interrogation of the president.

“Yeah, you were the one …. Give it back!”

September 9th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

revenire said:

‘Buffalo’ Bill have you been harassing poor Susan Dirgham again? Please apologize to her. It is thoroughly disgusting to see a depraved, aging ex-punk rocker/lounge lizard attack a nice Australian woman.

Add that onto your abuse of the trust placed in you here at SC – with your own private NSA scandal – and we don’t have a very flattering portrait of you.

I don’t like to get personal but must say I find you rather offensive.

September 9th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

Alan said:

Exactly!Walid al-Moallem and Lavrov pulled the rug from under the feet of Kerry!No anymore gum chewed on the subject of chemical!

September 9th, 2013, 3:02 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

From the horse’s mouth: In this video, Nadim Qutaish shows a clip by a pro-Syrian TV station absolving the rebels from harming the churches and monasteries of Ma’lula (14:31). What interesting is that the same news presenter for the same station had accused the rebels of burning the Ma’lula church of Marias al-Ghaiour, one of the old churches in the world (14:08).

The regime’s propaganda machine needs help. I am sure some of the brilliant commenters on this board can provide the necessary help.

September 9th, 2013, 3:13 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

From the little that I have seen from Charlie Rose interview wet-pants chemical assad it was clear that wet-pants chemical assad was:

1. Scared shxxt to its begeebus
2. Lying, as its face grew yellower and yellower with every lie
3. fully out of league, even though charlie was polite and reserved

Given history, a major american newscaster always interviewed dictators before they are swept into the gutter. What can I say, we brave american hunters like to look the prey in the eye before we shoot. The problem here is that some hunter friends of mine are against this media ritual, their argument is that you only look a noble prey in the eyes not a skunk or a hyena such as wet-pants chemical assad . These parasites you simply eradicate without warning.

All I can say is that with or without strike, stinky wet-pants chemical assad is screwed. Russia may change its diaper now, but the next time over, it may just suffocate the parasite with its own —–

September 9th, 2013, 3:14 pm

 

sf94123 said:

The Leader of the Fake Syrian Army (FSA) along with his Muslim Brotherhoods, jihadists, Islamists, terrorists, are deeply disappointed and angered by the recent development.. No more Air Shrike on Syria- WTF!
And the Invisible Allah of the opposition (SYRIAN HAMSTER) is working his magic again today on this blog!
http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=163053

September 9th, 2013, 3:18 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

You have to give the supporters of the terrorist Syrian regime credit. They are masters at turning defeat into victory. They are now celebrating the surrender of the strategic advantage that the Assad mafia had wasted the Syrian people’s money on obtaining to the international community.

The Russians, rather than stand up for Assad, they are helping America declaw him. Still early to see what the conditions are and whether the terms (most likely humiliating) will be accepted, but Saddam’s story with weapons of mass destruction is apparently being repeated.

So, to the supporters of the terrorist Syrian regime, enjoy this great victory. More will be coming your way. Be ready.

September 9th, 2013, 3:23 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Same thing may happen to Iran. This giving up WMD’s to avoid attack seems to work. Sets a precedent.

Iran better watch out.

September 9th, 2013, 3:52 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Reminder to self…

Rely on Heaven, rely on Heaven.

Heaven will decide.

If Allah Wills, the Regime is doomed.

September 9th, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

syrian atheist against dictatorships said:

World to Assad: bad boy, BAD BOY! You dared to kill all those people with chemical weapons?! Boy you messed up big now. You deserve what’s coming: we’re going to lock up all those chemical weapons in your cupboard and install a live webcam over it. That’ll teach you. Go play with your guns and barrel bombs and scuds.

We’re watching you, Naughty boy!

September 9th, 2013, 4:04 pm

 

revenire said:

It’s all over boys. Syria Comment can probably close up now.

Assad won.

September 9th, 2013, 4:05 pm

 

Rancher said:

766. Afram said:

what-what-WHAT? Must see Video!
Check out the video below. You won’t be sorry.

In a scathing “opening statement” Saturday night, Fox News’ Judge Jeanine Pirro laid out the case against President Obama’s “dithering” on Syria – and it was damning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GEJSoJvmNQ&feature=player_embedded#t=655

Judge Jeanine rocks!

September 9th, 2013, 4:07 pm

 

Alan said:

The Story Of Issa, A 10-Year-Old Boy Making Arms For Syrian Rebels, Will Break Your Heart
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/the-story-of-issac-the-10-year-old-syrian-army-fighter-will

September 9th, 2013, 4:14 pm

 

Afram said:

OBSCENE is the correct word…

John Heinz – Ketchup Kerry,s Morally,Linguistically, and Historically Obscene Case for War in Syria.

** Asking us to trust U.S. intelligence on chemical weapons because of James Clapper.

Presented with historically understandable skepticism about the quality of U.S. intelligence about Assad using chemical weapons, Kerry said this:

The intelligence community, represented by DNI Clapper, has released a public document, unclassified, available for all to see in which they make their judgment with high confidence that the facts are as they have set forth. So you know, I think that speaks for itself.

Clapper, as you may recall, is a sworn liar. That, like so much of Kerry’s testimony yesterday, indeed speaks for itself.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/04/john-kerrys-morally-linguistically-and-h

If we are to take our roles as citizens as “seriously” as members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee claim to take their decision to support the bombing of Syria (“very, very seriously,” said Bob Corker [R-Tennesse]; “seriously and solemnly,” added Dick Durbin [D-Illinois]), then we really ought to give full attention to the testimony yesterday by the war’s principal salesman, Secretary of State John Kerry.

Unfortunately for the politician who made famous the line “How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?”, Kerry’s case in front of the committee was more a textbook example of how acting as the world’s policeman for decades has warped the country’s values, judgment, and even language.

I counted at least seven moments that qualified in my judgment as obscene, exposing along the way the administration’s empty and contradictory arguments for air-mailing death upon a regime that does not pose a direct threat in the United States:

1) Repeatedly insisting that the war would not be a “war”

During a testy exchange with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky), Kerry introduced into the lexicon of political evasion a jaw-dropping new phrase, war in the classic sense:

[W]e don’t want to go to war. We don’t believe we are going to war in the classic sense of taking American troops and America to war. The president is asking for the authority to do a limited action that will degrade the capacity of a tyrant who has been using chemical weapons to kill his own people. […]

[W]hen people are asked, do you want to go to war with Syria, of course not! Everybody, a hundred percent of Americans will say no. We say no. We don’t want to go to war in Syria either. It’s not what we’re here to ask. The president is not asking you to go to war. He’s not asking you to declare war. He’s not asking you to send one American troop to war. He’s simply saying we need to take an action that can degrade the capacity of a man who’s been willing to kill his own people by breaking a nearly hundred-year- old prohibition, and will we stand up and be counted to say, we won’t do that. That’s not — I don’t — you know, I just don’t consider that going to war in the classic sense of coming to Congress and asking for a declaration of war and training troops and sending people abroad and putting young Americans in harm’s way.

The 1949 Geneva Conventions, to which the United States is a signatory, is the basic international legal framework of what can and cannot be done during war. There is no definition of what the U.S. plans to do in Syria that doesn’t qualify under that treaty:

[T]he present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them…. Any difference arising between two States and leading to the intervention of members of the armed forces is an armed conflict within the meaning of Article 2, even if one of the Parties denies the existence of a state of war. It makes no difference how long the conflict lasts, or how much slaughter takes place.

Pretending that a campaign of hostile, deadly bombing overseen by the U.S. military is somehow not a “war” is both an Orwellian mangling of the English language, and a formulation central to the administration’s sale. As Kerry said in his prepared remarks,

So let me be clear: President Obama is not asking America to go to war. And I say that sitting next to two men — Secretary Hagel and Chairman Dempsey — who know what war is. Senator McCain knows what war is. They know the difference between going to war and what President Obama is requesting now. We all agree, there will be no American boots on the ground.

There were no American boots on the ground in NATO’s 1999 bombing of Kosovo, either, but the 38,000 combat missions over 78 days killed an estimated 500 civilians and changed the political reality on the ground. It was a war.

2) Insisting simultaneously that the military action will be “limited,” with no boots on the ground…and also that Assad’s behavior could trigger an expanded U.S. retaliation, including boots on the ground.

As seen above, Kerry maintained throughout the day that “there will be no American boots on the ground.”Well, except for maybe….

But in the event Syria imploded, for instance, or in the event there was a threat of a chemical weapons cache falling into the hands of al-Nusra or someone else and it was clearly in the interest of our allies and all of us, the British, the French and others, to prevent those weapons of mass destruction falling into the hands of the worst elements, I don’t want to take off the table an option that might or might not be available to a president of the United States to secure our country.

WHAT? Kerry then walked the dog back a couple of times. Here’s one of them:

And I want to emphasize something. I want to come back to it because I don’t want anybody misinterpreting this from earlier. This authorization does not contemplate and should not have any allowance for any troop on the ground. I just want to make that absolutely clear. You know, what I was doing was hypothesizing about a potential it might occur at some point in time, but not in this authorization, in no way—be crystal clear—there’s no problem in our having the language that has zero capacity for American troops on the ground within the authorization the president is asking for. I don’t want anybody in the media or elsewhere to misinterpret that coming out of here. As I said earlier, I repeat it again now, that’s important.

Got it! Except, uh, if Assad responds to being attacked by acting like the illogical, murderous dictator that he’s already acting like:

You all have to make a kind of calculation here, just as Assad does. If he is foolish enough to respond to the world’s enforcement against his criminal activity, if he does, he will invite something far worse, and I believe, something absolutely unsustainable for him.

So in that case the U.S. would be using its military for regime change, even though the congressional authorization is not about regime change (even if the administration’s stated policy since before the authorization is to remove Assad, which would be regime change). But that’s OK, because it’s still not war!

That doesn’t mean the United States of America going to war, as I said in my comments. There are plenty of options here.

3) Using as a causus belli the fact that the U.S. turned away a boat of Jewish refugees from the Third Reich in 1939.

After being asked a series of appropriately skeptical questions from Sen. Tom Udall (D-New Mexico), such as “How can we guarantee that one surgical strike will have any impact other than to tighten the vice grip Assad has on his power or allow rebels allied with al-Qaida to gain a stronger foothold in Syria?”, Kerry got haughty and uncorked this historical haymaker:

History is full of opportunity of moments where someone didn’t stand up and act when it made a difference. And whether you go back to World War II or you look at a ship that was turned away from the coast of Florida and everybody on it lost their lives subsequently to German gas, those are the things that make a difference. And that’s what’s at stake here.

That ship was the MS St. Louis, which was indeed a historically bungled opportunity. To take in refugees fleeing Hitler. Any usable analogy with refusing to accept Jewish refugees in June 1939 should be focused on the U.S. taking in Syrians displaced by Assad’s butchery. And how have we been doing on that score? Abysmally: Just 90 refugees granted permanent asylum in the last two years, with a recent announcement that we’ll expand the number to 2,000, though asylum seekers will have to undergo terrorist background checks that could last as long as one year.

To sum up: The administration is so shamed by America’s historical behavior with the MS St. Louis that it has accepted only 10 percent the St. Louis’s passenger cargo as refugees from Syria in the last two years, yet has seen fit to invoke the lesson as a non-sequitur in its publicity campaign to launch a war that isn’t being called a war.

The final insult? Kerry was wrong that “everybody” on the St. Louis “lost their lives subsequently to German gas.” Here’s the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:

Great Britain took 288 passengers; the Netherlands admitted 181 passengers, Belgium took in 214 passengers; and 224 passengers found at least temporary refuge in France. Of the 288 passengers admitted by Great Britain, all survived World War II save one, who was killed during an air raid in 1940. Of the 620 passengers who returned to continent, 87 (14%) managed to emigrate before the German invasion of Western Europe in May 1940. 532 St. Louis passengers were trapped when Germany conquered Western Europe. Just over half, 278 survived the Holocaust. 254 died: 84 who had been in Belgium; 84 who had found refuge in Holland, and 86 who had been admitted to France.

4) Describing this decision as a “Munich moment”

In a conference call Monday with congressional representatives, Kerry characterized the upcoming Syria vote as a “Munich moment.” In his testimony yesterday, he aimed to send “the unmistakable message that when the United States of America and the world say, never again, we don’t mean sometimes; we don’t mean somewhere; never means never.”

Along with the MS St. Louis anecdote above, the three Hitler references center on the infamous September 1938 Munich Agreement, at which British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain and French Premier Edouard Daladier handed western Czechoslovakia to the expansionist Nazi dictator without representatives of Czechoslovakia even being present, and despite the fact that France had treaty obligations to defend the Czechs from attack. That act of appeasement and treachery is to the Syrian civil war what a fish is to a bicycle.

“Munich” has been the go-to historical analogy for every sizable U.S. intervention since World War II. As former Armed Services Committee staffer Jeffrey Record wrote in a March 1998 Air War College paper titled Perils of Reasoning by Historical Analogy: Munich, Vietnam, and American Use of Force Since 1945, “Reasoning by historical analogy can be dangerous, especially if such reasoning is untempered by recognition that no two historical events are identical and that the future is more than a linear extension of the past….In Vietnam…Munich blinded rather than enlightened American policy-makers….[And] helped lay the foundation for the very disaster, memories of which today shape U.S. policy just as profoundly as did Munich in Southeast Asia.”

5) Denying that the U.S. is the self-appointed policeman of the world.

Sen. Udall made another worthwhile and factually accurate point:

To the international community we’re saying once again the United States will be the world’s policeman. You break a law, and the United States will step in. We are on shaky international legal foundations with this potential strike[.]

In many ways, this is one of the key questions about U.S. foreign policy, about which there is plenty of dispute: Is playing the world’s policeman a wise, cost-effective, or legal role? Kerry responded with a humdinger of a euphemism:

[Y]ou raised the question of doesn’t this make the United States the policeman of the world. No. It makes the United States a multilateral partner in an effort that the world, 184 nations strong, has accepted the responsibility for.

Besides attempting to sustain the cognitive dissonance of having a strategy to remove Assad but seeking the authorization to only lob bombs at him, the administration is attempting to claim the mantle of international legitimacy for a strike that has no international legal footing, and which almost the entire rest of the world has chosen not to join.

6) Making the laugh-out-loud claim that a post-Assad Syria will be “secular.”

A classic lie, when selling Americans on intervening in civil wars from Vietnam to Nicaragua to Iraq, is over-hyping the democratic and peace-loving credenials of the side who stands to gain most from U.S. military intervention. Here are a couple of passages from Kerry, in response to understandable concerns by senators that the opposition to Assad is composed of Islamic militants:

The opposition has increasingly become more defined by its moderation, more defined by the breadth of its membership and more defined by its adherence to some, you know, democratic process and to an all-inclusive, minority-protecting constitution, which will be broad-based and secular with respect to the future of Syria. And that’s very critical. […]

I would also say to you, Syria historically has been secular, and the vast majority of Syrians, I believe, want to remain secular. It’s—it’s our judgment that—and the judgment of our good friends who actually know a lot of this in many ways better than we do because it’s their region, their neighborhood — I’m talking about the Saudis, the Emirates, the Qataris, the Turks, the Jordanians—they all believe that if you could have a fairly rapid transition, the secular component of Syria will re-emerge […]

[T]he fundamentals of Syria are secular, and I believe, will stay that way.

The recent historical record of secular dictators in the Muslim world being removed suggests that Kerry’s optimism is fantasia.

September 9th, 2013, 4:14 pm

 

Rancher said:

Will Assad be able to retake Northeastern Kurdistan if he succeeds in putting down the insurrection?

September 9th, 2013, 4:15 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Certainly the vast majority of Muslims would have a problem with actually beheading another human being or slitting a toddler’s throat but there are many Muslims who find nothing wrong with this behavior. They read their Quran and agree that it is all justified. Indeed, if one reads the Quran, just about everything from slavery to pedophilia to rape is justified. The only thing that matters is who is doing what to whom. If it is a Muslim beheading an infidel then it has Allah’s blessing and thus is perfectly legal and is encouraged….Read more -History is repeating itself in Syria:

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/stock/041115

September 9th, 2013, 4:15 pm

 

revenire said:

Rancher the SAA will retake the entire nation. Nothing can stop them short of an all-out US attack. It is only a matter of time. This is precisely the reason the US wants to attack so badly.

September 9th, 2013, 4:24 pm

 

Alan said:

Will Assad be able to retake Northeastern Kurdistan if he succeeds in putting down the insurrection? = Translation: Divide and Conquer.
to retake -the spiral twisted word!

September 9th, 2013, 4:25 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#740 Zoo

Here you go again with the “laf wa dawaran”! It is really simple. Let’s see:

I, Hopeful, condemn blowing up cars in residential areas, like this one:

http://youtu.be/jQPyaTStAEU

Do you, Zoo, condemn firing missiles in residential areas, like these ones:

http://youtu.be/kiKWduUOMtM
http://youtu.be/S7-mqVmuTcw

September 9th, 2013, 4:28 pm

 

sf94123 said:

From the Quran: Surah 5: The Table Spread — Christians will be burned in the Fire. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom… They burned 57 churches so far and harassed and forced Christians out of their homes in Homs, Hama, Hasakeh and Aleppo..

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=18973

September 9th, 2013, 4:28 pm

 

Consider_change said:

You may want to view this article and link and then make your judgement regarding the US, Russia and Syria:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10288193/Syria-crisis-live.html

September 9th, 2013, 4:30 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Next to hand out…. athma

September 9th, 2013, 4:33 pm

 

Majed97 said:

Now that Israel’s goal of disarming Syria of CW seems about to be achieved, watch how quickly and majically the calls for “freedom and democracy” will quite down…The Saudi/Qatari families have performed their mission as instructed by Israel and the west. Now they’ll be asked to call their dogs back to hound; of course they will comply, as usual.

I just hope in exchange for giving up CW, Syria will gain its freedom to completely abandon the Arab world for ever. It’s time to rebuild Syria as a Syrian, not Arabic, state. First step, change the language from Arabic to Aramaic.

September 9th, 2013, 4:33 pm

 

Rancher said:

780. Rancher said:

Will Assad be able to retake Northeastern Kurdistan if he succeeds in putting down the insurrection?

Sorry, I meant Southwestern Kurdistan but I think you all know what I meant. It would be nice if we could establish a no fly zone over the area but I don’t see that happening. That’s all that was necessary for the Iraqi Kurds to gain autonomy. I think Assad’s days are numbered; it will be difficult to put this genie back in the bottle. The American airstrikes would accomplish nothing so if they don’t happen it also changes nothing. Whatever gains Assad may be making won’t be enough to end the rebellion, it will simmer and flare like a bad rash for years until some form of democracy is imposed. In the meantime the Kurds will prosper and grow stronger, much to the chagrin of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria.

September 9th, 2013, 4:39 pm

 
 

zoo said:

A pro-rebel journalist
Rebels used sarin not Assad, says former hostage

(AGI) Brussels – The rebels used sarin gas and not Assad, said French former hostage in Syria, Pierre Piccinin . .

September 9th, 2013, 4:43 pm

 

zoo said:

#784 Hopeful

I condemn the coward rebels who hide in residential areas and use the civilians as human shield as the SAA tries to restore security and prevent sectarian killings..

I condemn the close Islamist friends of the rebels who become suicide bombers to blow up civilians and spread fear
.
Yes I do.

No laf wa dawaran: The opposition has refused negotiations, therefore it is responsible for the escalation of violence and for every Syrian dead. Until they accept, there is no point to discuss who bears the responsibility, it is clear.

September 9th, 2013, 4:58 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama must be praying that Syria accepts the deal to avoid a humiliating defeat at the House

Russia offers face-saving deal on Syria crisis

Sep 10, 2013

http://www.thenational.ae/featured-content/channel-page/news/world/middle-teaser/russia-offers-face-saving-deal-on-syria-crisis

NEW YORK // Russia and the United Nations yesterday offered Barack Obama and Bashar Al Assad a potentially face-saving way out of a missile strike on Syria.

Moscow said it would push Syria to place its chemical weapons under international control and the UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon urged the Assad regime to move its stockpile to a safe place for internationally monitored destruction.

“If the establishment of international control over chemical weapons in Syria makes it possible to avoid strikes, then we will immediately get to work with Damascus,” The Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said yesterday.

Syria’s foreign minister, Walid Al Moallem, welcomed “the Russian initiative … which is attempting to prevent American aggression against our people”.

September 9th, 2013, 5:06 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#791 Zoo

I rest my case.

Now you sound exactly like the Israelis. Same logic. Same denial. Same arrogance.

September 9th, 2013, 5:07 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors pervading all layers of covertness always work hard, behind the scenes and around the clock. They always succeed in bringing the news to you before it happens.

The world which is now fully behind initiating full military operation against Ass-Snake-Head, having added recently 14 new members to the coalition of the willing, 14 new members of the world nations that count , i.e. not characterized by the stigma of rogueness, have now spoken in one voice to counteract the deception and duplicitousness of the snakeness of Ass-Head.

The coalition of the willing has made it clear that it will not deal directly with Ass-Snake-Head for several very valid reasons. First Ass-Snake-Head is a certified criminal The civilized world will not strike deals with criminals. That by and in itself is sufficient reason to dismiss the maneuver that Ass-Snake-Head came up with this morning. Secondly Ass-Snake-Head is known to renege on its deals when and if the opportunity arises. Thirdly, Ass-Snake-Head has a huge debt to pay for past crimes it committed and the payment for those crimes is way past overdue. Ass-Snake-Head is dead dog walking as far as the coalition of the willing is concerned.

The coalition of the willing will, however, deal with the Russians through the UNSC by forcing the Russians and their side-kicks, the Chinese, to go along with a UNSC resolution under Chapter 7 authorizing the use of the full might and power of the US of A and its partners in the civilized world to punish the snake for the ultimate purpose of destroying it once and for all.

The resolution will include provisions to surrender the poisonous stockpiles of Ass-Snake-Head to the coalition and NOT to so-called ineffectual international agencies. The coalition will take possession of all the sites within Syria and proceed with destruction on its own terms. It also includes conditions for Ass-head to surrender and head over to the Hague for questioning then sentencing along with his criminal gangs. Finally the resolution will have provisions for the Shabbiha and their Hezbollah and Iranian criminals to be surrendered to the Hague along with other accused in other crimes committed not long ago.

Chapter 7 provisions will automatically trigger upon any violation Ass-Snake-Head or its agents or masters may commit with no need to convene UNSC again.

September 9th, 2013, 5:11 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Hypothetical Chronology

1. Obama is in a bind, he wants to teach wet pants chemical assad a lesson but the american people have no stomach for cockroach smashing now….the cockroach isn’t in their house, yet

2. Putin is sick an tired of wet-pants chemical assad especially after the major embarrassment, but he is also in a bind, he can’t throw his pet cockroach under the bus right in front of everyone eyes. It wouldn’t look cool, and it may even make him look weak like Obama

3. Obama and Putin have a 30 minutes talk, mostly about wet-pant chemical assad No one knows what they decided

4. Kerry, throws in a trap, telling wet-pants chemical assad to surrender its most potent murder instrument in a week…it may be spared the spanking.

5. wet-pant chemical assad sends blubber to meet with laughrov.

6. Laughrov makes a proposal, telling blubber that wet-pants chemical assad must now be only wet-pants dog-poop athad no longer it should be chemical

7. blubber accepts.

8. Orange vest UN monitors make visits after visits after visits frisking every general and snorter. They install webcams in wet-pants dog-poop athad hiding sewer…no cam installed in blubber’s house. orange vests value their sanity. Results, So much for wet-pants dog-poop athad pretending to be sovereign

9. IRAQ anyone…..

10. weak obama and foxy Putin shake hands, and go back to business. Trap is set

11. Like big mustachio macho saddam , wet-pants dog-poop is victorious.

12. Hurrrrray… Bare-chested resisting snorters can come down from Qasioun.

Like Canada Bill said, frog in the trap mouth first

September 9th, 2013, 5:17 pm

 

zoo said:

Once the Russians get a deal on the chemical weapons, the Geneva II conference is next… Bitter drink for the opposition after months of refusal that killed thousands Syrians

On 29th august I wrote

https://joshualandis.com/blog/should-the-use-of-chemical-weapons-prompt-a-us-attack-in-syria/?cp=all#comment-388487

“As the whole purpose of the military strikes is to prevent further use of chemical weapons from either sides, Russia may accept to work out a way to guarantee that the Syrian government stockpile will be controlled while the countries supporting the opposition will have to offer similar guarantees.

Overall , if it works well, the conference will held in October. If Bashar succeeded to pass through that military attack reinforced then he will still be in power and the opposition would have lost the political battle”

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August 29th, 2013, 10:01 am
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on 3rd september I wrote:

“If the Congress say No then the next step will be the Geneva II conference after Russia would offer the necessary guarantees to protect the chemical weapons stockpile which is finally the only reason the USA is considering strikes.”:

September 9th, 2013, 5:29 pm

 

revenire said:

Where’s Tera and Dr. Death? Hope they are okay! Hate to see two such lovely people feel sad they didn’t get their long dreamed of attack that would murder thousands of innocent Syrian women and chidren!!

🙁

September 9th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 

Alan said:

Opposition forces in Syria are preparing a large-scale provocation towards Tel Aviv. It may go on strike on Israel.

September 9th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 

zoo said:

Poor hamster

Your h-p are becoming so weird and incoherent. I worry for your mental health…

September 9th, 2013, 5:35 pm

 
 

Observer said:

Well well. Samir Aita wrote a piece in An Nahar last week in which he argued that the threat of an attack is more potent than the attack itself.

Well well. The fighting reaching the pro regime villages and areas and the regime’s inability to protect its shrinking is leading to defections.

Well well. Summary executions in Mezzeh airport of officers that presumably fired the gas. No one admits as to who ordered the attack.

Well well. the regime admits it has chemical weapons and agrees to its handing over to international supervision. So the corrollary to that would be

1. We used chemical weapons and therefore we agree to give them up as it is a war crime or

2. We cannot guarantee their safety and therefore we agree to give them up

3. We do not have control over our units and generals that used the chemical weapons without the retard ordering it therefore we agree to give them up

4. We are giving away are deterrent against an Israeli nuclear attack therefore we are giving up on the safety of the majority of Syrians from this threat for the sake of staying in poewr

5. We are fighting for our sovereignty but now that that concept is threatening the existence of the regime we will reliquish it for the sake of staying in power.

The other corrollary is that the threat of attack has done the beginning of the job of bringing the regime to the transition phase on the US’s terms.

Fabius said that the regime will have to give up its weapons on the condition that a UNSC resolution under chapter 7 is passed forcing it to do so.

Let us see the Russians veto that. They are finished. If they veto that there will be a massive campaign to get rid of the entire regimes in the region that pose a threat.

Congress will give Obama what he wants as he can argue rightly that the threat did the trick and that any weakening of that threat may force a strike whereas a yes vote will show the other side that we mean business and we may get our concessions without firing a shot.

September 9th, 2013, 6:05 pm

 

zoo said:

Kerry’s Comments on Syria Mark a Shift Over Strike
September 9, 2013 6:04 pm

By DAVID E. SANGER / The New York Times

WASHINGTON — When Secretary of State John Kerry dangled for the first time on Monday actions that President Bashar al-Assad of Syria could take to avoid a military strike, it seemed an acknowledgment that Congress, America’s allies and the Russians were all looking for an off-ramp for what a week ago seemed like inevitable military action against Syria.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news/world/kerrys-comments-on-syria-mark-a-shift-over-strike-702637/#ixzz2eR5iJg84

September 9th, 2013, 6:09 pm

 

zoo said:

Observer

Right, console yourself with these fabulations…

September 9th, 2013, 6:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Majed
Susan Rice = Condoleeza Rice = wild poodle

September 9th, 2013, 6:18 pm

 

zoo said:

Desperate Obama asks Hillary to influence Americans in exchange for covering up her mismanagement of the Ambassador murder in Libya?

Hillary supports the Syria attack

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chapman/chi-hillary-supports-another-war-20130909,0,7799965.column

The political fallout of the crisis goes beyond President Obama. It could also have a big effect on his heir apparent, Hillary Clinton.

The showdown with Syria has taken a toll on President Obama’s standing with the electorate. Only 40 percent approve of his handling of foreign affairs — the lowest number ever for him.

But the political fallout of the crisis goes beyond the incumbent. It could also have a big effect on his heir apparent, Hillary Clinton. She came out today in favor of the strikes Obama wants to carry out, and if things go badly, that decision will come back to haunt her — as her vote for the Iraq war did in 2008. It would invite a challenge in the Democratic primary from someone opposed to the Syria attack.

September 9th, 2013, 6:21 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama confident the U.S., Russia can work toward diplomatic solution to Syria

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=epmT2SQrJj8

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/09/obama-confident-the-us-russia-can-work-toward-diplomatic-solution-to-syria.html

President Barack Obama spoke with PBS NewsHour anchor Gwen Ifill Monday about recent reports that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is willing to consider handing chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria over to international control.

Obama said he favored diplomacy to military strikes and that he is encouraged that the U.S. can work with the Assad regime’s allies, Russia and Iran, to find a diplomatic solution. The president talked with Ifill in the Blue Room at the White House.

September 9th, 2013, 6:26 pm

 

zoo said:

“CIA fabricated evidence to lure US into war with Syria”

http://www.opednews.com/articles/CIA-fabricated-evidence-t-by-RT-TV-Fabricated-Data_Intelligence_Israel_Political-130909-733.html

The intelligence gathered against Syria’s Assad was manufactured by elements within the spy community in order to mislead the US President to take punitive action, Ray McGovern, a veteran CIA analyst, told RT.

McGovern was among the signatories to the letter from veteran intelligence professionals to Obama, warning the US president that Assad is not responsible for the chemical attack, and that “CIA Director John Brennan is perpetrating a pre-Iraq-War-type fraud on members of Congress, the media, [and] the public.”

RT: You were one of the signatories to that letter to the US President. Do you think it will influence Obama?

September 9th, 2013, 6:31 pm

 

Rancher said:

Zoo, who or what is RT?

September 9th, 2013, 6:32 pm

 

zoo said:

Rancher

Russian TV

September 9th, 2013, 6:37 pm

 
 

Syrialover said:

ALAN #768

That’s so funny you say the world’s most absurd foreign minister Walid Moallam pulled a rug from under John Kerry’s feet.

How could someone that grotesquely fat bend over to do it?

Here is what really happened!

http://akhyasouria.tumblr.com/post/29984363488/walid-muallem-during-lunch

September 9th, 2013, 6:42 pm

 

zoo said:

More on Christian Maaloula where the heroic secular Syrian Army is fighting a magma of Sunnis Al Qaeda, Al Nusra and FSA criminals

Assad forces launch offensive on historic Christian town
By REUTERS
09/09/2013 15:22

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Assad-forces-launch-offensive-on-historic-Christian-town-325623

Violent clashes renewed in Christian town of Maaloula near the Syrian capital, a town that has changed hands three times.

Abdelrahman said 18 rebel fighters were killed and over 100 injured during Saturday’s fighting. He could not confirm the extent of casualties among government forces.

September 9th, 2013, 6:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Report: Saudis sent death-row inmates to fight Syria

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/01/21/saudi-inmates-fight-syria-commute-death-sentences/1852629/

Michael Winter, USA TODAY 5:53 p.m. EST January 21, 2013

Secret memo says more than 1,200 prisoners fought Assad regime to avoid beheading.

Saudi Arabia has sent death-row inmates from several nations to fight against the Syrian government in exchange for commuting their sentences, the Assyrian International News Agency reports.

Citing what it calls a “top secret memo” in April from the Ministry of Interior, AINA says the Saudi offered 1,239 inmates a pardon and a monthly stipend for their families, which were were allowed to stay in the Sunni Arab kingdom. Syrian President Bashar Assad is an Alawite, a minority Shiite sect.

According to an English translation of the memo, besides Saudis, the prisoners included Afghans, Egyptians, Iraqis, Jordanians, Kuwaitis, Pakistanis, Palestinians, Somalis, Sudanese, Syrians and Yemenis. All faced “execution by sword” for murder, rape or drug smuggling.

September 9th, 2013, 6:48 pm

 

zoo said:

811. SyriaHater

Kerry, Hillary and Fabius don’t reach the small toe of Moallem… Davutoglu is even lower than that,

Syrian Sunnis should be proud to have such a smart foreign minister in charge.

September 9th, 2013, 6:52 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

It is now established
Threat Assad, credible threat, and he retreats
In Lebanon, when he found out he will get hit ,he pulled out of Lebanon,
Now he felt the threat is credible , he gave up his CW.
Assad does not understand except the threat of using power.

Question,without CW can Assad put down this revolution?, he was not able to do that up till now, and my answer is NO
Let us not forget that his gains recently was due to CW use, he used them on small scale, further his airforce is dwindling, the economy is deteriorating, how long this attrition war can go on?.
I call for the Arab states to arm the FSA more and more

Also the use of CW was a major crime, violates international law, and this crime has to be punished, removing CW doesnot mean forgiveness

September 9th, 2013, 7:00 pm

 

Tara said:

The conditions of McCain and Graham proposal for surrendering the chemical weapons are much more humiliating and damaging than the “unbelievably limited” military strike.  Would Assad take the slap on his face and his “sovereignty” and bow down?  I find it really humiliating!  

Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, the senate’s two most vocal Syria hawks, have put out a statement echoing much of what the president said in his interviews tonight: that a credible military threat is necessary to back any possible diplomatic solution.

They also say that the UN security council would be needed to formalize and enforce such a diplomatic solution:

It should be clear to Members of Congress that only the threat of military action against the Assad regime’s chemical weapons capabilities is what could create a possibility for Assad to give up control of those weapons. For this reason, Congress should proceed with its plans to consider and vote on the authorization for use of force that is now before the Senate, and today’s development should make Members of Congress more willing to vote yes. This will give the President additional leverage to press Russia and Syria to make good on their proposal to take the weapons of mass destruction out of Assad’s hands.

At the same time, all of us need to be realistic about this situation. We should not trust, and we must verify. The only credible way for the Obama Administration to test this proposal is to immediately introduce a U.N. Security Council Resolution that spells out in clear, detailed terms exactly what the international community should expect of the Assad regime if it is serious about abandoning its weapons of mass destruction – weapons that it does not even admit to possessing at this point. Such a resolution must include specific requirements for immediate and intrusive inspections, unfettered international access to every site and suspected site in Syria possessing any weapons of mass destruction, guarantees for secure freedom of movement for all international inspectors, immediate steps by Assad to begin transferring his weapons of mass destruction to international custody, and clear consequences and triggers for action if obligations are not met by a time certain, among other commitments. Most importantly, this resolution must be presented as a take-it-or-leave-it offer and agreed to within a week at the Security Council, or else we run the risk that Russia and Syria will use this gambit as a way to play for time and continue the massacre of innocent men, women, and children in Syria.

The Guardian

September 9th, 2013, 7:13 pm

 

Tara said:

We are tired of toe fetish.

We know. We know. Please spare us.

September 9th, 2013, 7:17 pm

 
 

Tara said:

The capability and “heroism” of Jaysh Abu Shahatta is not a secret.

“NBC’s Savannah Guthrie asks the president how he is accounting for potential retaliation by Assad. “Nothing is 100% guaranteed,” he says.

But I think it’s fair to say that our military is outstanding, our intelligence is outstanding.

He says the US can strike without provoking a counter-attack.

First of all, Syria doesn’t have significant capabilities to retaliate. Iran does. But Iran is not going to risk war with the United States.

Guthrie challenges the president to explain Kerry’s remark earlier in the day that US strikes would be “unbelievably small”. He replies: “The US does not do pinpricks.”

September 9th, 2013, 7:29 pm

 

Afram said:

Christian Maaloula Now is a sunni Tora Bora.
Soon the CANNIBALS[self-proclaimed sushi connoisseurs] will munch on SABRA&KILO,S hearts and testicles.

September 9th, 2013, 7:34 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#814. ZOO

You are giving us all a really big laugh now. It is Moallam who can’t reach his own small toe.

And you are being very satirical saying Syrians should be proud to have him in charge.

In charge of what? All the Syrian embassies operating in the west and Arab world? You’re out of touch ZOO.

Seriously, many Syrians cringe whenever freak fatman Moallam is presented on the world stage as representing them.

September 9th, 2013, 7:39 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

It will be easier in the future to strike Assad without the fear of CW
Further Jordan and Turkey will feel safer.
And to worry that radicals may put their hands on CW is gone

Take away Assad military might piece at a time

September 9th, 2013, 7:42 pm

 

Tara said:

Majed,

Dismantling Assad’s chemical stockpile will alse preempt an Alawistan forming and threatening Syria with chemical weapon.

September 9th, 2013, 7:50 pm

 

revenire said:

Total retreat for Obama. Congress 10-1 against it. I wonder if there will even be a vote now.

September 9th, 2013, 7:52 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Tara
Yes, Assad lost his only remaining tromp Card, his end is nearer

September 9th, 2013, 7:56 pm

 

revenire said:

No vote, no strike

US Senate delays Syria strike vote over Russian ‘chemical handover’ proposal
http://rt.com/usa/obama-us-syria-chemical-631/

September 9th, 2013, 7:57 pm

 

revenire said:

No talk of Assad stepping down any longer. That’s over.

September 9th, 2013, 8:00 pm

 

Syrian said:

It look like Waleed mo3lek read Gasan Sherbal this morning
http://alhayat.com/OpinionsDetails/549836

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September 9th, 2013, 8:02 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Revealing, but not surprising. Read who actually makes up the group staging the “Hands off Syria” protest outside the UN in Geneva:

“What I saw today at the “Hands Off Syria” rally”

https://medium.com/syrian-uprising/77f4a0071da9

September 9th, 2013, 8:09 pm

 

revenire said:

As opposed to say cannibals, and other FSA freaks, right?

September 9th, 2013, 8:12 pm

 

revenire said:

You know what would be funny? Going back over old SC comments from last week and seeing how many times certain parties said that Obama would attack.

I’d laugh and laugh.

Maybe later.

September 9th, 2013, 8:17 pm

 

Ghufran said:

(??? ?????? ?????) ??? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ???????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ????????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????.
??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??????.
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?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ???? (????? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????????)? ??? ???? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???(?? 52) ???????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ????.
?????? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???????? ?????????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ????????? ??????????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???????? ????????.
Time will tell if Atwan is right in his predictions. It is still too early to tell. Few things are certain:
1. Russia out maneuvered the US
2. What almouallem did was a concession done under pressure
3. The regime will not sign up on the deal without certain guarantees
4. This is already raising many eyebrows among regime supporters
5. It is still likely that the regime is just trying to buy time
6. Obama and Cameron were quick to call the move a ” positive development”
7. The dismay and disappointment among some of you that their birth country may not be bombed is disgusting.

September 9th, 2013, 8:20 pm

 

revenire said:

Start popping the champagne boys!!

Bill Neely ?@billneelyitv 1h
BREAKING. The vote in the US congress on military strikes on #Syria is OFF. For the moment, delayed in Senate. Amazing #Obama off hook.

Bill Neely ?@billneelyitv 1h
#Putin bails out #Obama. #Congress vote is OFF. Mil.strikes off for now if not 4 good, as e’one examines plan 2 destroy #Syria Chem.weapons

September 9th, 2013, 8:21 pm

 

revenire said:

Tera if you need a shoulder to cry on that Syria hasn’t been bombed please don’t look at me.

Thank you.

September 9th, 2013, 8:22 pm

 

revenire said:

Awwww…

Senate delays Syria vote as Obama loses momentum

WASHINGTON — President Obama’s push for congressional approval for military airstrikes in Syria ran aground Monday, forcing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., to delay a procedural vote as opposition builds among senators in both parties.

Six senators, including five Republicans and one Democrat, announced Monday they would vote against a resolution authorizing the use of force — a strong indication that the administration’s efforts to build bipartisan support have been ineffective.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/09/obama-congress-syria-vote-in-doubt/2788597/

September 9th, 2013, 8:34 pm

 

Syrialover said:

So Russia is trying to save face and save Assad. Doubt it will work. Too little too late.

The issue is not simply to remove chemical weapons, but to disable the capacity of people who stockpile and use them.

Below is a head-clearing reminder of why the world needs to stop the use of chemical weapons.

Reading this shows you how distorted, confused and remote from the point all the “debate” against the action is.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/09/05/the-real-case-for-syria-strikes-makes-sense-so-why-isnt-anyone-making-it/

September 9th, 2013, 8:35 pm

 

Afram said:

825. majedkhaldoun said:

Tara
Yes, Assad lost his only remaining tromp Card, his end is nearer
———–
tromp Card?

September 9th, 2013, 8:49 pm

 

Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN in #832 appears to be telling himself excitedly that Assad has “won”.

Surely GHUFRAN couldn’t have meant to have paraded his pro-Assad sentiments so openly. He usually tries to be cunning and speak out of both sides of his mouth.

So let’s give him an out and the benefit of the doubt.

He writes:

“The dismay and disappointment among some of you that their birth country may not be bombed is disgusting.”

Of course he got confused and actually meant to say:

“The dismay and disappointment among some of you that their birth country may not STOP BEING BOMBED BY ASSAD is UNDERSTANDABLE.”

September 9th, 2013, 8:50 pm

 

revenire said:

Go easy on poor Tera. Her one woman campaign to bomb Syria has failed.

September 9th, 2013, 8:51 pm

 

revenire said:

Syrialover do you need a road map to try to understand what has happened? Okay.

You, and all the rest of you who called for the overthrow of Assad, wanted Syria bombed and Assad overthrown for the glory of the ‘secular’ Nusra cannibals.

You failed. You all failed.

Syria won.

Assad won.

Those who hate Syria lost.

September 9th, 2013, 8:53 pm

 

revenire said:

Assad’s victories just keep piling up:

Obama Admin Keeping Syrian Rebel Leader Out of DC, Congressional Sources Say

As skepticism mounts in Congress over a proposed military strike in Syria, hawks on Capitol Hill are questioning why the Obama administration isn’t using one of its most powerful advocates for intervention: General Salim Idriss, commander of the rebels’ Supreme Military Council.

Long heralded as the poster child for Syria’s moderate rebels, Idriss has yet to travel to Washington to make his case for U.S. intervention — and it’s not for lack of trying. Congressional sources and members of the Syrian opposition tell The Cable that the Obama administration has delayed or cancelled at least three scheduled trips for Idriss to come to Washington since March.

“The White House has stepped in at the eleventh hour to cancel planned trips in which tickets were bought and hotels were booked for Gen. Idriss to come to Washington,” a frustrated Congressional aide tells The Cable. “It’s beyond me why the administration is trying to prevent a very articulate person from answering the fundamental question that almost every lawmaker wants to know: Who the Hell is the opposition?”

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/09/09/obama_admin_keeping_syrian_rebel_leader_out_of_dc_congressional_sources_say#.Ui5maiO8cTI.twitter

September 9th, 2013, 8:56 pm

 
 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

strange that foreign policy doesn’t get the very important concept of “Stay the Message”. Even the dirty troll gets it.

and by the way wet-pants dog-poop athad‘s medals are fake. They are plated and not gold. Even silver medals are plated.

So what, LOL, it even sounds neat: the tramp lost the tromp

September 9th, 2013, 9:01 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Sl
All Syrians should be dismayed that people are dying and getting bombed regardless of who does the bombing, dying from a car bomb is as bad as dying from an air raid or a missile unless you think that those car bombs are holy but regime bombs are evil.
As for whether Assad has won or not, I am not sure but I know that Syria is lost because the war was mostly about dominance and not about the welfare of Syrians.
Your rhetoric is getting old, just saying.

September 9th, 2013, 9:23 pm

 

Observer said:

It is the not the country that will be bombed. It is the regime; the one that killed 200 000 and disappeared 250 000 and exiled millions internally and externally and destroyed 65% of all the buildings in the country.

The regime will give up its CW and its own children to stay in power for it leaves the heavy weapons active against the population. If the regime and the Russians that this is going to be a saver then they are delusional.

Russia cannot do anything anymore. If the US and France ask for a UNSC resolution under chapter 7 they cannot veto it.

Kerry now has the ball in his court and can return with demands that will be quite humiliating and crippling. But the regime has no shame. It left Lebanon with its tail between its legs and in trucks filled to the brim with looted houses. Even the fixtures were looted.

Now this Congress will not vote for a military strike; so what? Obama can order a strike without authorization if he deems the regime’s use of CW as a national security threat.

Samir Aita was right. The threat of the strike was more potent than a limited slap on the wrist.

He got whacked. I saw his interview with Charlie Rose. The iPad retard supposedly studied ophthalmology in England and cannot speak proper English. The pronunciation defect was most pronounced as Charlie Rose trounced him again and again. He said we care about the region. We do not want to have the region go through another war. And he is not a butcher he is a surgeon saving the patient by amputating a gangrene. The gangrene is made up of women and children and of his own people. The Drum in Moscow surrounded by the Witch of Damascus is saying that he is accepting the Russian proposition to spare his countrymen further suffering. Well well, 200 000 late Mr. Foreign Minister. HA is quiet all of sudden. They claim it is a face saving for Obama. Since when does Putin try to save the face of Obama? Pray tell me. Athad won. Won what? a koursi to sit on and play his iPad.

Hehehehe I love it. Any way you turn it, the Foreign Minister Drum and the Witch of Damascus have had their Russian patrons make them swallow the bitter medicine.

WIll see what happens next. In the meantime, the fighting on the ground continues to eat away at the regime outposts. Defections are increasing. Summary executions are common. The rebels chased out of baba amr are taking over check points.

Meanwhile on the NPR this morning, the CIA expert predicted significant increase in supply to the FSA. As the US and others are putting support behind the effort, there will be a consolidation of groups on the ground.

Meanwhile carrying the fight into loyalist areas as happened in Latakia and in Homs and in other areas has now brought home the price to pay for supporting the regime.

My sources on the ground tell me that control of various units and how they operate is becoming a real problem. Many commanders resort now to arrests for extortion. The prisons have no food for it stolen by hungry troops.

After CW he will have to give up his missile delivery system and he will have to give up his air force.

Cheers.

I am amazed that regime trolls are reading anything

Go watch Charlie Rose trounce the iPad retard.

He is threatening us with his allies. Go ahead, make my day.

September 9th, 2013, 9:25 pm

 

majedkhaldoun said:

His Allies, who are they? he is not refering to HA,HA will be smashed if they make any move, It is not Persia,they want to avoid war, his allies are people in US like Revenir and Zoo who will be asked to commit terroristic acts,just like Miqdad was refering to few days ago
Assad in his interview with Charlie Rose looked tired, talking nonsense, about amputating leg for gangrene, well he is amputating the wrong leg,next he will have no legs to stand on
A resolution under chapter 7 ,Russia can not veto, I don’t know what guaranttees Ghufran is asking for, his concession is weakness,he can not wiggle his way out,can he change his mind, too late, he surrendered

September 9th, 2013, 9:48 pm

 

revenire said:

Both sad and funny (Majed please keep the predictions coming):

10. MAJEDKHALDOUN said:

If the american congress decides against the strike
There will be permission to use CW in Syria and in other countries, by the regime or by any faction ,this will change the future of terrorism,rather than use explosives ,terrorist will use CW

===

19. TARA said:

Blood and hair samples collected from Wastern Ghouta tested positive for Sarin.

The regime is damned!

===

20. MAJEDKHALDOUN said:

I am surprised by the statement that testing will take three weeks,,my understanding of chemistry lab it should takes only hours, unless there will be biological testing

===

31. MAJEDKHALDOUN said:

Rand Paul admitted that the senate will endorse Obama decision.He further said the decision in the house is 50-50
The case for strike will only grow in the next week as the evidence of Sarin use has been documented

the discussion in the congress will re enforce the idea that Assad may use CW again so a more support for ousting Assad will certainly prevail

I am very optimistic that Obama will prevail,and Assad will go to the corner

===

162. SANDRO LOEWE said:

This the last chance for Syria and for many syrians to survive. Also this the last chance for the Unitedd States to survive politically in the Near and Middle East. The strike must be too hard, otherwise Assad will remain doing more massacres and standing like a model and heroe for all antidemocratical regimes. Then the US would be forced once and again to intervene…

===

193. TARA said:

If Russia was shown an iron clad proof of the regime culpability, it will not budge. Russia will always declare it non-sense. Bypass the Russians and do not bother.

===

229. HEADS-UP said:

Just so you may know, the following heads up is now officially released.

The French have decided to have it both ways. Their parliament will debate but not decide the go ahead or go backward. There will be no vote. The decision is left for the prez.

This confirms our previous heads up about a consensus building towards considering the issue subject to criminal law proceedings and not the rules of engagements among nations. However, only arresting the criminal in this case will prove the determination of those behind enforcing the law.

===

711. TARA said:

Majed,

In regard to Obama, I think he has not really made up his mind contrary to what he has said. I think he is awaiting for the congress to vote and for the G20 summit before he actually makes the final decision.

The American president is not supposed to shy away from making tough decision. He should lead and not be led. It will be a shameful chapter in American presidency if he doesn’t do it.

September 9th, 2013, 9:50 pm

 

Ghufran said:

“It is the not the country that will be bombed. It is the regime; the one that killed 200 000 and disappeared 250 000 and exiled millions internally and externally and destroyed 65% of all the buildings”
It is the lack of access , by rebels, not the lack of intent that skewed the damage volume in regime’s favor, just study rebels behavior,my friend.
This ” istwaneh” ignores the fact that the death toll and refugees stats were the result of a war that involved two sides even if one agrees that the regime deserves most of the blame.
Syrians will remember all who were responsible for their misery, rebels without jets and large rockets inflicted a lot of damage, I have no doubt that rebels’ share of the destruction would have been far greater if they had access to more lethal weapons, you are kidding yourself if you think that thugs with guns and bombs will hesitate to use jets and missiles if they can, Syrians have discovered that the term ” freedom fighters” is for the birds, ask the victims of Nusra and other terrorists in areas like idleb, Latakia, Damascus and Aleppo.

I think some of you are reading too much into this initial baby deal, many details have to be worked out, I am sure many people on both sides would have preferred war over a political settlement. Assuming that Russia will allow another Iraq in Syria reflects a high degree of ignorance that has characterized many comments on this blog. Time not rhetoric is the judge, the political dance has just started, I am for any deal that stops the war and gives Syrians hope, I could not care less if certain figures in the regime or outside the regime feel humiliated.

September 9th, 2013, 9:58 pm

 

don said:

NO means NO Mr. President

Most in Miss. delegation oppose action in Syria

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Five of the six members of Mississippi’s congressional delegation say they’ll vote against the U.S. taking military action in Syria.

Those who say they’ll vote “no” are Sen. Roger Wicker and Reps. Alan Nunnelee, Gregg Harper and Steven Palazzo, all Republicans; and Rep. Bennie Thompson, a Democrat.

Wicker, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement Monday that Obama “has not made a clear case about his strategic or tactical goals” or exhausted diplomatic efforts to mobilize other countries to respond to Syria.

“Any use of military force abroad must be rooted in a coherent strategy that is worthy of our men and women in uniform and has the support of the American people,” Wicker said. “The president’s plan has not met this threshold.”

Thompson, the top Democrat on the House Homeland Security Committee, said in a phone interview Monday that he’s opposed because any U.S. military action in Syria “stretches our already overtaxed military even further.”

“Right now, it appears that we’re going alone and nobody else is putting in any assets or manpower other than saying, ‘We are with you,'” Thompson told AP.

Harper said in a statement Monday: “After careful consideration of the classified documents, I will vote against authorization of a U.S. military strike on Syria.” He did not elaborate.

Palazzo said in a Facebook post Thursday: “I’ve looked at the evidence, I’ve heard from the President and his advisers, and I’ve weighed the options of authorizing the use of military force. But more importantly, I’ve spoken with you, the voters of Mississippi. And you have overwhelmingly said that America needs to stay out of the Syrian conflict. I agree.”

http://www.greenwichtime.com/news/article/Most-in-Miss-delegation-oppose-action-in-Syria-4799768.php

September 9th, 2013, 10:23 pm

 

Syrian said:

Hey Ali, we were kidding about the NSA watching this site, will you come back, I’m sick of the HA Lebanese, the American troll, and god knows who the hell is donAnn,we want a real Syrian from the regime side to explain how is this a victory.
I’m so bored with those outsiders I will even listen to Appel mini

September 9th, 2013, 10:40 pm

 

don said:

Obama concedes he might lose on Syria

WASHINGTON — Battling stiff resistance in Congress, President Barack Obama conceded Monday night he might lose his fight for congressional support of a military strike against Syria, and declined to say what he would do if lawmakers reject his call to back retaliation for a chemical weapons attack last month.

In a separate interview with NBC, the president took the step — unusual for any politician — of conceding he may lose his campaign in Congress for legislation authorizing a military strike. “I wouldn’t say I’m confident” of the outcome, he said.

The president picked up a smattering of support but also suffered a reversal when Sen. Johnny Isakson, a Georgia Republican, announced he had switched from a backer of military action to an opponent.

“They’re in tough shape. It is getting late,” said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., after he and other lawmakers emerged from a closed-door meeting with administration officials. The New York Republican favors the legislation that Obama wants, but he said the president didn’t need to seek it and now must show that a strike “is in America’s national security interest.”

Classified briefings for lawmakers just back from vacation, the public release of cringe-inducing videos of men, women and children writhing in agony from the evident effects of chemical gas, and a half-dozen network news interviews featuring Obama were folded into the White House bid to avert a humiliating defeat over the next 10 days.

Obama met with members of the Congressional Black Caucus during the day, and arranged a trip to the Capitol as well as a prime-time speech from the East Room of the White House on Tuesday.

“I will vote `no’ because of too much uncertainly about what comes next,” said Sen. Lamar Alexander, a Tennessee Republican. “After Step A, what will be steps B, C, D and E?” he added, reflecting concerns that even the limited action Obama was contemplating could lead to a wider war. Missouri Republican Roy Blunt also announced his opposition.

In the House, one of two female Iraq war veterans in Congress announced opposition to military strikes.

“As a soldier, I understand that before taking any military action, our nation must have a clear tactical objective, a realistic strategy, the necessary resources to execute that strategy, including the support of the American people, and an exit plan,” said Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii. She said Obama’s plan “fails to meet any of these criteria.”

The public opinion polling was daunting for the president and his team.

An Associated Press poll showed that 61 percent of those surveyed want Congress to vote against authorization of U.S. military strikes in Syria and 26 percent want lawmakers to support such an action, with the remainder undecided.

http://www.king5.com/news/politics/US-Syria-chemical-weapons-222955501.html

September 9th, 2013, 10:44 pm

 

revenire said:

Heads-Up I will take all your posts and encapsulate them:

____

There you go. They amounted to nothing.

Enjoy.

September 9th, 2013, 10:54 pm

 

Syrian said:

Until Ali or little Apple shows up. We have Ghufran telling us how the present would have happened if the event in the past were deferent.
He said
” I have no doubt that rebels’ share of the destruction would have been far greater if they had access to more lethal weapons”
And that is for those who studied some Islamic teaching?? as Ghufran is a pious Muslim man,a privilege not even prophets are allowed to acquire.

September 9th, 2013, 11:02 pm

 

revenire said:

“Syrian” are you sad that there will be no American strikes? That Assad will remain in power? That the “revolution” will be crushed?

September 9th, 2013, 11:19 pm

 

Syrian said:

Rev,
Really man you need to get a life, if you put all this energy into a good cause in Chicago, I guarantee you will have Rahm Emanuel job within10 years.

September 9th, 2013, 11:21 pm

 

Syrian said:

Rev.
BTW,you are officially an Arab now. The way you turned a defeat into a victory is an Arab thing, but hanging out too much with ZOO will make you a Lebanese though not Syrian.
Watch what you are getting your self into.

September 9th, 2013, 11:34 pm

 

revenire said:

So it doesn’t bother you? Assad is still going to be president next year. By that time he will have crushed the life out of the enemy.

You guys lost.

Assad won.

He is laughing at you and so am I.

You were another one who said strikes were coming. You were wrong – dead wrong.

September 9th, 2013, 11:34 pm

 

revenire said:

The place is dead as a door nail tonight. Did someone die? Oh yeah – the Syrian “revolution” died.

Time to bury it.

September 9th, 2013, 11:35 pm

 

revenire said:

Where are all the big mouths who said that Obama was riding a cruise missile into Damascus to install Al-Qaeda?

He didn’t have the votes. If he had let it go to a vote he’d have been humiliated like Cameron was – humiliated by Assad.

Russia saved Obama a humiliating defeat. I hope he sends Putin a dozen roses and some candy to thank him.

I am handing out candy to all my neighbors.

🙂

September 9th, 2013, 11:37 pm

 

47th said:

DR comment 545, last sentence was very telling, you knew something two days ago, who are you?

September 9th, 2013, 11:45 pm

 

Syrian said:

Rev,
How did we lose, the 3 major victory for Assad in Bab Amor , half Darayya and the Ataiba in eastern Ghouta, happened only after he used a small amount of CW , now he can it use it anymore, the other heavy weapons has been used for 2 years and it did not kill the revolution,
Even now with no strike, more arm will get to the FSA to compensate for the strike.

September 9th, 2013, 11:51 pm

 

sf94123 said:

Why don’t you go to your liberated Syria (Islamic Ummah- Khalifat Rasul Allah) and tell your Khalifah in Al Raqqah that you have failed his mission- You weren’t able to deceive the world and the Americans aren’t buying your lies. Don’t forget to ask for mercy and forgiveness – You will be beheaded according to the Shari’ah by representative of Allah on earth- The good news, you have 72 virgins are in Paradise waiting for you – I pity you. You should be deported.

September 9th, 2013, 11:55 pm

 

Syrian said:

Obama has won without even firing a shot, he made Assad agree to scrap 30 years program that cost billions of dollars that was his last line of defense if he ever wanted to make an Alawi Stan, if go you read the FB pages of the regime, you will see the denial of that deal, they know that the CW was for their protection when they want to make their own country and now it is no more, they can kiss that dream good bye

September 9th, 2013, 11:58 pm

 

Syrian said:

LOL SF 12345
You are a funny guy,Good thing we are in the US and your tashabee7 dose work here.
Pitt me all you like, it is very clear who is the miserable soul in here
You are in America but the tashbee7 in you did not stay in Syria. He is still here with you.
You can take a Syrian shabee7 out of Syria but you can not take the Tashbee7 out of a Syrian Shabee7
.

September 10th, 2013, 12:08 am

 

Ghufran said:

Syrian,
Wrong as usual. Chemical weapons unfortunately are cheap and easy to make , that is why all super powers are against them. The issue for me is never whether Assad wins or not, the issue is to stop the war and close the door at the face of jihadists and their GCC financiers. Syria will be better off with a new inclusive government and that can also help prevent partition of Syria. I am sorry that some of you are disappointed at this new development but I am not , however, it is still early to draw conclusions, I see this as a mini step in the right direction.
Do not kid yourself,my friend, the rebels failed despite the billions spent on them because they did not give Syrians an acceptable alternative, the sooner thawrajiyyeh accept this fact the faster Syria can get out of this mess.

September 10th, 2013, 12:11 am

 

majedkhaldoun said:

Nothing is changed till the deal is signed sealed and delivered.if Assad changed his mind, or wiggle ,then there is no deal,and the strike will go on.
It has to go thru UNSC,and under chapter 7
The next few days are decisive.

Revenir if you need antidepressant let me know
Syria news: nothing is mentioned about accepting the deal

September 10th, 2013, 12:38 am

 

Syrian said:

Ghufran.
Wrong about what? If the CW was that easy to make some of the rebels would have had it by now and not just used it on “themselves”
The majority are with the inclusive government. But the Assad regime wants it all.after all these miseries,no reconciliation can happen with the one who caused it all, Bashar, is around.
The rebel have not won yet because of the unlimited support Assad is getting from Iran and Russia, so you can not fault the rebel for taking the support from wherever they can get it. Every one is stuck, there is not even a door for a fighter to leave if he wants to. and that should answer your earlier question,what was the Baba Amer fighters doing around Ma’loula? because hey know what is waiting for them if they get captured, so the fight will rage on until everyone is completely exhausted and no one knows when that will happen.

September 10th, 2013, 12:42 am

 

sf94123 said:

Wrong as usual. You and others Syrian Muslim Sunni expats who tried to deceive the world to bomb your homeland got educated for free in Syria- Some of you stole millions of dollars from poor Syrians and moved to the West and some of your friends and families still live in Syria on government subsidiary and uninterrupted salary – Most likely, you got married from a Christian to stay in the west- Got divorced and now live a lonely life. Never contributed anything good to your community or to the country you live in – You are a fake and you knew it! This is the land of infidel. You are always the victim! Remember!!!- The Alawites stole the presidency from you and you resent it since- Your heart after 40 years is still full of revenge and hate- You even made a pack with the devil and brought all these jihadists criminals to Syria and asked your uneducated poor Sunnis people to hide and protect them – You want to establish an Islamic Ummah- Khalifat Rasul Allah in Syria and you want the West to help you- No, you are a traitor! Remember!! You can’t be trusted- You are on your own- Your free rid is ended. You have no shame! Very Sad!

September 10th, 2013, 1:32 am

 

Alan said:

Syria Hater @ 812 !
The nations will judge this matter, not you, not the rulers of the western half! Today hide behind the argument has become more difficult to justify to the peoples of the world

http://youtu.be/T_F0xWfObSk

September 10th, 2013, 1:45 am

 

revenire said:

Ha ha the silence from the usual “experts” is deafening.

September 10th, 2013, 1:53 am

 

revenire said:

You expats: Assad has a message for you > stay in the US and dream of Syria. He will be happy to send you a postcard.

September 10th, 2013, 1:54 am

 

Hopeful said:

#869 SF94123

First, you live in a lovely spot! You must be single? Enjoy the night life in SF 94123.

Second, the sectarian tone in your comment is really frightening. Seriously, if this is truly how you feel, this war has the potential to become even worst than the Israel-Palestine conflict. I have heard similar frightening language from the other side, so I am not just trying to single you out. But you live in San Francisco – learn something about tolerance and coexistence!

September 10th, 2013, 2:01 am

 
 

Matthew Barber said:

Tonight al-Jazeera America interviewed State Dept. veteran Thomas R. Pickering, and he suggested outright that the entire affair of Kerry’s “gaffe” and Lavrov’s quick “pick up” looks like it could have been planned behind the scenes. It is either the most successful diplomatic accident in history, or quite plausibly (he feels), something orchestrated beforehand.

September 10th, 2013, 2:46 am

 

apple_mini said:

Yes, the regime should give up CW. It is a terrible WMD as deterrent tool. Only nuclear weapons are true WMD.

By giving up CW, the regime can release the resources and manpower locked on maintaining and securing those CW stockpiles. After all, the priority is to win this nasty and brutal ongoing war before ceasefire and peace. Not only it is an existential problem for the regime, but also lots of Syrians’ lives, minorities in particular.

The regime needs to make demands asking the west to lift the embargo and sanctions. The fact is this time, the regime has more cards to play. As I mentioned before, even US decides to strike Syria, the CW will still be there. And it will remain a threat to US and Israel as long as the CW is there.

September 10th, 2013, 2:59 am

 
 

Alan said:

876
There is no justification existence of nuclear weapons at all! No to Israel and no to others! We want a Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction! Without exception!

September 10th, 2013, 3:17 am

 
 

Matthew Barber said:

Busyness has lately prevented me from attending to much-needed moderation. Far more happens in the comments than I have time to monitor, but I’ll attempt to rectify the (slight) degeneration of manners of late… (Even the attacks that have begun proliferating recently aren’t as violent and nasty as was found on the forum previously, but let’s keep improving it and foster an environment of thoughtful discussion, where ideas are exchanged and examined, shall we?)

1) Revenire is banned. I know, many of you think it’s long overdue. But I believed in giving people chances for reform (just like those years Bashar had for reform), and he played the game so well: pressing right up against the line and almost crossing it… but not crossing it. But after waiting for clear and obvious violations before ending his tenure here at SC, ample such violations have presented themselves recently. I’m banning him for insults, taunting, making threats, gloating, and generally filling the airwaves with noise. Examples (of what the rest of us should avoid):

Insults:

155. revenire said:
Tara do you ever get anything right?
47. revenire said:
Heads-Up no one cares. You are a comedy act.
304. revenire said:
What a clown.
You see Majed I know what I am talking about when it comes to politics and war. I don’t talk out of my a$$ like you do.
You’re just a terrorist.
727. revenire said:
Majed if you need me to help you read the following report let me know. I know you have a hard time digesting English.

(Is it so difficult to speak with respect? Rev, I believe I warned you in the past not to insult Majed’s nor anyone’s English)

Useless provocation:

80. revenire said:
Heads-Up more silly rumors please. I need a good laugh this morning after reading Majed saying how happy he will be when Sunni woman and children die in Obama’s war crime attack.

(I haven’t been reading comments closely, but I really doubt that Majed said that. This isn’t conversation; this is the continual monotonous hammering away with the same sound bites in an attempt to drown out opposing views, rather than responding to disagreement in a thoughtful way. I’m weary of hearing it.)

Gloating:

271. revenire said:
I laugh at the despair the opposition feels. When the bombs fall they will die too.

(Really Revenire?)

Threats:

195. revenire said:
I’ve been told Air Force Intelligence watches this site very closely. Lists have been made.
Just a “heads up”…

(This is entirely inappropriate and I will not tolerate such threats, even if they are supposedly jokes.)

Lastly, I don’t much appreciate being called a terrorist-supporter merely because I criticized the use of “cannibal” as unfair for referring to the entire opposition:

**please go to the link because I had to censor this one pretty badly to appease the terrorist supporters on staff.

Now that the chief antagonist is gone, I expect better behavior from everyone. Absent the constant attempts to provoke you, there should be less reason for angry and insulting responses.

2) Ali, you’re banned. This stuff is way out of line:

183. Ali said:
176. Heads-up
You’re fr!ken pathetic piece of sh!t, son of liar
wo 7aq ilimam badi qawsak wo 3alqak min bydatak ya manyak
706. Ali said:
“Posters like Ali will definitely get arrested if they ever set foot on US controlled port.”
You piece of sh!t I’m in the state now come and get me.

And I believe you’ve posted worse, but I’m not going to go digging right now.

3) Majed, I’ve done my best to keep you around, given you plenty of warnings and such. I especially feel that you’ve been treated abusively by many here on SC. But you’ve gone over the line in the following, and I’m sorry but I have to ask you to no longer participate:

370. majedkhaldoun said:
Apple Mini
… We will see who needs it in the future, we will pursue you, chase you where ever you hide, in sewage tube , in a hole underground we will find you you must face humanity court and then you will be begging crying for help and you will regret every hateful statement you made
531. majedkhaldoun said:
… SF94123
is SF stands for stinky faggot?

4) SF94123 is banned for many insults, such as calling Tara “snakehead” and ??????, and calling Majed “Dr. Death.” Also for highly sectarian comments, attacking people based on religious affiliation.

5) Tara and Zoo, you have both recently made some nasty and insulting comments:

26. Tara said:
Apple, Hardly-a-Human: “we the people in Damascus”
Sorry. You “are not the people in Damascus”. You are the occupier of Damascus. You came from the mountains, enriched by this corrupted mafia regime, displaced the “people of Damascus” to its poor suburbs and Ghouta and shamelessly declared yourself as “we the people in Damascus”
You have no shame. We do not want you. Get out of our hairs. Leave Damascus to its people and go to where you came from.

Tara, this is pure sectarian nastiness. I really expect better from you. It is no one’s place to tell another person whether they are or are not a citizen of a country, or whether they have or don’t have the right to belong to a place/nation/region. This is exactly the kind of communication that I ban here (some comments I catch and they never make it to the board—neither do those posters), but I will give you a single warning on this. I hope to never see such a sectarian message again. Please offer apple_mini an apology—not for your political disagreements, but for the “go back where you came from.”

370. zoo said:
Hammy
You don’t need to be “sewed”, you already live like other rodents of your kind in smelly “sewage” feeding yourself with sarin gas that Bandar Ben Sultan has stored there to keep it fresh for the next ‘attack’.
No wonder you h-p are so suffocatingly stinking.

Zoo, really? I think you’re above this and should know better. Let it be the last time.

6) Ameera, I’m giving you a warning following your message attacking Majedkhaldoun:
326. AMEERA said:

…??? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???????? ????????? ? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??????…

Someone is not a terrorist merely for their opinions, particularly when their opinions on a civil war differ from yours. Further, I consider your use of ???? ????? to be sectarian prejudice. Members of this forum must show respect to practitioners of all religious, including old, earth-based and animistic traditions that venerate fertility, even when disagreeing with their beliefs. Please continue participating, but without attacking others here.

7) “Don,” the link wasn’t “censored by Syria Comment.” Syria Comment posted Max’s article. Why would we censor ourselves? The article was removed in anticipation of being published in another venue. For someone who is allowed complete freedom to post and re-post an incredible amount of online content, and whose post-banishment ???? was ignored, you sound rather ungrateful to the forum you seem to enjoy so dearly.

8) I’m tired of people reposting the same comment twice, with “YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITING MODERATION” at the top of the second comment. If your comment is awaiting moderation, do you really think that submitting the same comment twice will speed up the process? That message occurs occasionally, is automated, and results when the system detects suspected spam. Sometimes those very same comments end up being cleared automatically after a few minutes, in which case you’ve now spammed the thread with a second comment containing the same text plus your added quote about moderation. Other times, an admin has to clear the comment manually. If you receive the “YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITING MODERATION,” just sit tight. The comment will be cleared eventually (though possibly not promptly if manual approval is required; this is due to the fact that I don’t spend every waking hour following the forum, and I understand that it’s sometimes annoying when your comment doesn’t appear at its relevant point in the conversation).

That’s it for today. My apologies for overlooking other instances of needed moderation. Everyone please help to keep this place useful, stimulating, and civil.

September 10th, 2013, 6:02 am

 

Syrialover said:

So REVENIRE is gone.

It is a great relief. Not just because he was insulting, provocative and threatening, as Matthew says.

For me, was worse than that. He treated the suffering of the Syrian people and the terrible destruction of the country as a joke. Something to mock and jeer at, a subject to have fun with.

I felt this debased the forum, made worse by his posts occupying 30% of the space here.

Whatever his agenda for being here, it has been disturbing to see this forum dominated by someone who did not appear authentically engaged in the issues or to care about Syrians on either side of the conflict.

I don’t always agree with the decision to ban some people – I feel the punishment in some cases is out of proportion to the crime.

But I feel the decision to ban REVENIRE was necessary to preserve the integrity of this forum and make it tolerable for others.

September 10th, 2013, 7:40 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Thanks God Revenire is gone. Now we only need Assad to go. But according to US politics it may take 5 years more to liquidate him.

The US is making the dirtiest and poorest paper in its foreign policy history. They are going to support Assad regime. They will not even punish but will give the placet to Assad dictatorial criminal mafia regime if Assad puts CW under UN control

So, the whole thing is now clear.

1- Obama had to react when CW were used, but only words and interpretation. If he did not anything in 29 months there was a clear reaspn why.

2- US with Russia want to keep Assad in power if he delivers CW and in this ways guarantees the safety of Israel.

US will never act to defend the syrian population from being massacred with conventional weapons. US will only act to protect Israel.

September 10th, 2013, 7:49 am

 

Observer said:

I disagree with banning anyone. The ACLU sued a town in Mississippi for denying the KKK a right to march down main street.

I also find the comments of the pro regime trolls to be invaluable as an attempt at understanding the mind set and psychology of subjugation to the cult of personality.

I also find the expressions of emotions to be important in venting all of our frustrations at the dialogue of the deaf exemplified by some who keep pointing to us the defects of the regime on the one hand and denying the revolution the basic right of expression and self defense.

I also find it most informative to understand the minorities fear of the majority as they continue to harp on the idea of secularism for the country while they maintain their sect’s unique status and characteristic

I will miss ALI

As for hardly a massacre this regime is buying time and it has been trying to buy time for the last 2 and some years and thinks it can outlast the revolution. It has forgotten one thing: fear is out, finished, non existent, kaput, gone, pulverized.

The so called recent gains by the regime are simple mirages and at every front it is just in reaction mode.

No CW are not cheap to make and offer an only deterrent to the nuclear arsenal of Israel. Now that they will give it up if they dare to send missiles against Israeli cities, Israel can threaten retaliation with tactical nuclear missiles with impunity.

It means that all of your “cheap” SCUDS are useless. But oh i forgot they are being utilized on Idlib and Aleppo and other villages and towns in Syria proper.

As I predicted the French will introduce a chapter 7 resolution today.

As we say in Damascus follow the liar to his doorstep.

Ilak al kazzab la atabet al bab

September 10th, 2013, 7:51 am

 

zoo said:

I think Revenire was cool and had a dry and enjoyable humor. He never used vulgarity, he wasn’t racist and his attacks were always funny. His posts were short and to the point.
This is not what I can say of many on this blog, where their hatred is apparent in every single of their heavy and lengthy posts.
SC will never be the same without Revenire.
I will also miss Majed, I thought that despite his excesses, he is kind of funny and I really loved teasing him.

In my view, vulgarity, racism ( ethnic or religious) and threats of violence are the only valid reasons for banning someone.

September 10th, 2013, 8:08 am

 

apple_mini said:

How many people out there like me are seeing a glimpse of light in the end of the tunnel?

The opposition and the rebels are irrelevant in this heating-up diplomatic move. It has nothing to do with them. Actually it is a measure to against them if they cross the line again.

Most likely the regime will say Yes to disarm its CW.

Details will be tedious and possibly insulting. But if the regime and Russian bargain it right, sanction and embargo should be lifted.

More importantly, the fighting in Syria can only become less intense and the rebels will be feeling neglected.

Those foreign Jihadi will be feeling pressure and heat. I do not believe they want to stay in areas where UN peacekeepers and in particular US and Russian forces will present.

There is positive sign of change of this war happening right in front of us.

We hope more positive news will somehow match predictions of ours.

Syria has suffered enough.

Syrian refugees have been treated badly in other countries. They constantly face insult, humiliation and poor treatments from those nasty people in hosting countries. We really don’t believe how those people could not just show a little sympathy and compassion toward others who fleeing their country because of a devastating war.

September 10th, 2013, 8:14 am

 

Rancher said:

We were about to go to war over Obama’s off teleprompter red line remark and are now saved by Secretary Kerry’s offhand remark about Assad giving up his chemical weapons.
Stumble diplomacy. Incompetence reigns supreme in the US now days. This will give everyone time to maneuver but is by no means a done deal. The devil’s in the details.
Obama claimed he didn’t set a red line and is now saying he has been discussing this deal with Putin for some time. Fact is he has been terribly damaged and Putin has made him look amateurish. Still if we actually do get the CW out of Syria it will be a victory for everyone except for maybe Hamas and al-Qaeda who were probably hoping to get their hands on them at some time in the future.

September 10th, 2013, 8:15 am

 

zoo said:

#883 Observer

Who cares about obsolete chemical weapons, who cares about Chapter 7 only applied to the use of chemical weapons?
What counts is that the opposition will be forced by a UNSC resolution to go to Geneva without any pre-conditions

The bla-bla of the UNSC resolution is only to make France, UK, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey claim a victory when it is actually a huge defeat of all their plans to remove Bashar Al Assad.
It is also a huge defeat and a warning to Israel that the USA will never attack Iran unless it uses its nuclear weapons.
The sloppyness of the whole ‘minimal strikes’ resolution clearly shows it was a well staged act between the US and Russia to bring the opposition to the negotiating table without given them any weapons and without ‘degrading’ Syria military power.
Well done Obama and Putin

I fully agree with Pickering. I had expressed ny suspicion several times on this blog

“Tonight al-Jazeera America interviewed State Dept. veteran Thomas R. Pickering, and he suggested outright that the entire affair of Kerry’s “gaffe” and Lavrov’s quick “pick up” looks like it could have been planned behind the scenes. It is either the most successful diplomatic accident in history, or quite plausibly (he feels), something orchestrated beforehand.”

September 10th, 2013, 8:18 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

I wonder how Obama and the US administration thinks Assad will have legimimacy to rule Syria after he destroyed all cities and kill 200.000 more people.

The only and easiest thing US can do is finishing the Assad regime now. They are specialist in bazaar last minute negotiations. Assad has been hiding his last minute cards. And Obama looks like an inexpert child in front of Russia and Assad.

How can US accept this ?

September 10th, 2013, 8:24 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

US is negotiating with a Criminal Against Humanity and with the Russian Mafia Politburo about the future of the syrian people WITHOUT any representative of Syrian Opposition having a single Word to say.

Obama you are fooled !!!

September 10th, 2013, 8:26 am

 

Syrialover said:

MATTHEW #880,

I want to appeal against the banning of MAJEDKHALDOUN.

He has been a long-term serious and sincere contributor to this forum. I don’t always agree with him, but I respect and value his voice here and the way he shares his thinking.

I feel it’s a bit unfair to lump him in with the most serious offenders here. His comments spring from authentic emotions in this nightmarish life and death struggle, not trying to upset others or score points.

I did not see his outburst APPLE_MINI as personal, for example, but a general railing directed at those forces in Damascus which are sustaining the behaviour of the Assad regime. The regime which killed his brother.

And his comment on SF was not nice, but far from sinister or aggressive.

These are not times where people can always feel polite, calm and normal when we are being beaten up hourly by Syrian events.

This is why I feel the punishment given the context is disproportionate to the crime.

I really hope you will reconsider and allow MAJEDKHALDOUN to stay with us.

September 10th, 2013, 8:29 am

 

zoo said:

I won’t be surprised if it happens. The opposition and its Saudi/Qatari allies are going to be cornered by the UNSC resolution. They must urgently do something drastic and shocking they can pin on Syria

Russian report: Syrian rebels planning chem. attack on Israel

Published: 09.09.13, 20:20 / Israel News

Arabic-language Russian news site Rusiya Al-Yaum has reported that Syrian rebels are planning a chemical attack on Israel.

In the report, it was claimed that “armed Syrian militants will use territories controlled by the Syrian regime to perpetrate their provocation plan.” (Roi Kais

September 10th, 2013, 8:35 am

 

Rancher said:

John Sexton:

Obama created the red line.

Kerry created the red eraser.

I hope the rebels don’t loose hope but I hope the jihadist do and leave. Both were putting way too much hope in the “incredibly small” strike.

September 10th, 2013, 8:37 am

 

zoo said:

Are leaks of the UN inspectors report behind that U-Turn as they implicate the rebels instead of the Syrian Army?

Obama “jumps” on Russia proposal (that he probably knew about weeks ago). Russia “prepares” the details ( there were ready weeks ago) .
Obama “postpone” sine die the vote in the Congress ( he never intended to get a YES vote)
Back to the UNSC (only on the chemical issue and Geneva)
The opposition is in trouble ( They will be obliged to go to Geneva by a UNSC resolution)

If the UN reports leave doubts about the chemical attacks, Bashar Al Assad will be getting stronger ( politically and militarily)

“Earlier, Lavrov said Moscow was in talks with Damascus to develop a “concrete plan” for the Syrian regime to hand over its chemical weapons arsenal.”

“We (Russia) are currently working on preparing a workable, precise and concrete plan and for this there are literally right now, in these minutes, contacts with the Syrian side,” the minister said at a news conference with his Libyan counterpart.

“And we expect to present this plan soon and we will be ready to work on it with the UN secretary general, the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, with the participation of members of the UN Security Council,” Lavrov added.

Russia’s proposal to stave off threatened US strikes Syria through a handover of chemical weapons received a cautious welcome Tuesday even from backers of military action, with President Barack Obama describing the idea as a “potential breakthrough”.

Only the opposition fighting the regime of President Bashar al-Assad for control of Syria openly denounced the Russian idea, describing it as a political manoeuvre that will waste time and cause more deaths.

Lavrov had announced the plan on Monday during a hastily called news briefing after talks with Syrian counterpart Walid al-Muallem.

He said that the plan could avert threatened military strikes by the United States after a chemical weapons attack outside Damascus on August 21 which the West believes was carried out by the regime.

Obama warned Monday he had not taken military strikes off the table but, in agreeing to consider the Russian initiative, he effectively pushed back the timetable for possible action.

“I think what we’re seeing is that a credible threat of a military strike from the United States, supported potentially by a number of other countries around the world, has given them pause and makes them consider whether or not they would make this move,” he told NBC television.

“And if they do, then this could potentially be a significant breakthrough. But we have to be skeptical because this is not how we’ve seen them operate over the last couple of years.”

Obama, who faces a tough task winning Congressional approval for even a limited military action, admitted that US lawmakers were not close to voting on the issue.

“I don’t anticipate that you would see a succession of votes this week or anytime in the immediate future,” he told ABC news.

September 10th, 2013, 8:49 am

 

Syrialover said:

APPLE_MINI #885 said:

“Syrian refugees have been treated badly in other countries. They constantly face insult, humiliation and poor treatments from those nasty people in hosting countries”

But NOWHERE are they treated as badly as in their own country. Those other countries did not massacre them, arrest and torture them, bomb them in bread queues, gas them as they sleep, destroy their homes and livelihoods or terrorize them by tanks and aerial bombing.

The Assad regime has also made few visible efforts to assist or even express sympathy for the millions of Syrians made refugees inside their own homeland. Quite the opposite, they have upped the harassment and terror, forcing more and more into that situation.

Little Apple do you seriously think there is any hope of reconciling and rebuilding Syria while Bashar Assad remains?

Apart from hostility, ongoing resistance and distrust from those who have stood up to or suffered from the regime, for a big start there will be zero aid and investment from outside while Assad is presented as the “leader”.

September 10th, 2013, 8:54 am

 

zoo said:

The opposition: More blood and destruction, please!

Syria Opposition Dismisses Russian Proposal, Calls For Strikes

http://www.wltx.com/news/national/article/249024/2/Syria-Opposition-Dismisses-Russian-Proposal-Calls-For-Strikes

BEIRUT (AP) – Syria’s main opposition bloc is urging the West to strike Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime despite Russia’s initiative to have Damascus surrender its chemical weapons to international control.

The Syrian National Coalition dismisses the proposal as a maneuver to escape punishment. It has been cheering for international military action, hoping a blow would shift the bloody war of attrition between rebels and Assad’s forces, which has left more than 100,000 dead in more than 2 ½ years of fighting.

In a statement Tuesday, the coalition said Moscow’s proposal “aims to procrastinate and will lead to more death and destruction of the Syrian people.”

The group says, “A violation of international law should lead to an international retaliation that is proportional in size.” It adds that handing over the weapons isn’t enough to offset crimes against humanity.

September 10th, 2013, 8:55 am

 

Syrialover said:

#658. HOPEFUL that’s an excellent analogy you have given comparing the situation of Syrians with people who are being brutalized inside a suburban home and the reaction of the neighbors.

It made me think of this comment:

“Strange world for Syrians. They never understood why their government is this committed to their destruction. Now the wider world is worse.”

(Hassan Hassan – https://twitter.com/hhassan140)

September 10th, 2013, 9:07 am

 

citizen said:

syria comment as a man who sings himself in the bathroom! can enjoy conversation with yourself

September 10th, 2013, 9:11 am

 

apple_mini said:

Who are those opposition joking? The opposition and the rebels without their foreign backers are nothing which stand the way in the process of peace.

They have been begging for weapons, money and even direct intervention only because they are far away from gaining support from Syrians. This whole scenario just debunks the lie about the opposition and the rebels are fighting for a popular revolution.

After the west decides it it time for a real peace talk, the GCC and Turkey will start to hold their tails and obey their masters’ order to cut down the military support for the rebels.

Without military support, the rebels and the opposition can go on their “holy war”, but it will just a matter of time to be quelled.

And that stopping the foreign military support for the rebels is the regime’s objective. That will be enough to declare a ceasefire and path to peace.

As for those who have been killed in this war, remember there have been near 50% of them being SAA and regime supporters. And the latest victims from this war are those villagers from Maaloula.

So if reconciliation is in process, do the opposition just allow their side of loss to seek revenge and compensation?

As I declared, after 2 and half years of this mainly sectarian war, what is left in the opposition are hard to understand reasons and truth.

September 10th, 2013, 9:28 am

 

Alan said:

Looking at Obama, for some reason you start to understand the real meaning of jokes about a monkey with a grenade.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfaQhF_SkYKqoldO5bjgcjH2TJ6FyItN3AGpJw58WPxuESdV98

Intl experts have strong proof images of chemical victims fabricated – Moscow
http://rt.com/news/experts-un-syria-chemical-649/

‘US neocon fanatics will target Syria no matter what Assad does’
http://youtu.be/Od_HKnVGWak?t=1s

September 10th, 2013, 9:54 am

 

Tara said:

Matt,

Please reconsider the duration of your ban. Banning posters forever is very harsh punishment. Previous moderators banned people for a wk and allowed them to return after “spending their time in jail”.

Having personally complained about Ali’ s use of sexual insult directed at me twice, I appreciate very much your taking the time moderating this site.

Majed has contributed significantly to this site. He is never malicious. He is just angry. Please reconsider.

I agree Reve is not a racist and not sectarian and in a way he is much more polite than many others… I personally think that his non-racist, despite outrageous, posts make me consider that not all supporters are fed with hatred since childhood and I take a lot if comfort in this thought.

In regard up my comment to Apple_mimi to go back to where she came from, I agree it is outrageous. I do not agree it is motivated by sectarianism. I do not reject her because she is Alawi. I reject her because she called the pile of slaughtered children with their slaughtered mothers in Bayda, Banias “hardly a massacre”. Apple by denying the massacre made me indeed think of her as a subhuman, and hence, I couldn’t resist showing how I reject her presence . I can see however how one can’t use the phrase with a relative Sunni shabeeh who denies the massacre. So yes, my comment does sound sectarian. I give you that and I will put conscious effort into not challenging the rules again. I won’t read any of her comments from now on to avoid having to express such negative emotions.

September 10th, 2013, 10:01 am

 

Alan said:

Congressman Alan Grayson “The PUBLIC Ends Up Paying For It and Bleeding For It”
http://youtu.be/A6QUBA5Kw5k?t=1s

America Says ‘No!’ to a Beltway War
http://buchanan.org/blog/america-says-beltway-war-5868

September 10th, 2013, 10:04 am

 

Hopeful said:

#880 Matthew

Regardless of how I feel about the “bans”, I salute you for taking the time and energy to articulate the offenses and explain why they are offenses. Doing so shows that you care – you could have chosen to get more sleep or read a book instead. It also shows that you are an excellent moderator – I hope to see you on TV one day. More importantly, your comments and rebuffs show that you are a decent human being. Thank you!

September 10th, 2013, 10:18 am

 

Alan said:

Head of the Duma Committee on International Affairs Alexey Pushkov “Next week we can expect a military strike against Syria”
http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_09_09/exvideo-Aleksej-Pushkov-Na-sledujushhej-nedele-mi-mozhem-ozhidat-voennij-udar-po-Sirii-2376/

September 10th, 2013, 10:42 am

 

Alan said:

@FrankfurtFinanz
Gulf dictatorships not happy about Syria chemical weapons deal ; Saudi dictators likely to stage more false flag attacks to trigger war
****
Obama, Syria, and Interventionism: Ten Questions Worth Pondering
http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2013/september/10/obama,-syria,-and-interventionism-ten-questions-worth-pondering-.aspx
1) Question: Is it justifiable for America to go to war in Syria to get President Obama out of the box he created for himself by talking about a “red line” in the Syrian civil war, a conflict in which no genuine U.S. national interests are at risk?

Answer: No. Obama’s inexperience in foreign affairs and his seeming personal arrogance got him — and America — into this mess, and so little a man is he that he now refuses to accept responsibility for foolishly drawing the red line, instead blaming it on “the world.” Let him swing.

2) Question: Will America’s credibility as a great military power be denigrated if it does not attack Syria?

Answer: No. We have already lost most of that credibility because Mr. Bush, Mr. Obama, and their generals waged wars in Afghanistan and Iraq they did not intend to win. The wanton waste of American military lives and money by these men, and their willingness to admit defeat to men armed with weapons from the Korean war, have largely destroyed America’s military credibility among allies and foes alike. Compared to failure in Iraq and Afghanistan, a failure to attack Syria is small potatoes.

3) Question: Is it unacceptable for one side in a civil war — as in Syria — to use every weapon it needs to try to ensure its survival against an enemy who started the civil war and whose military power is supplied by the Islamist fighters who are at war with America and the West? In other words, must the legitimate government of Syria — which we and all the world recognized before the Syrian opposition started the civil war — commit suicide rather than defend itself and prevent the slaughter of Syria’s million-strong Alawite community?

Answer: No. The right to self-defense is the first law of nature and the Asaad government has as much right to exercise it as does — as Washington always and correctly insists to be the case — the Israeli government.

4) Question: Is it acceptable for the great majority of Americans — who polls show are opposed to a Syrian war — to be ignored by both houses of Congress because they cannot offer the same slate of enticements that are available to their elected representatives from pro-Israel U.S. citizens and organizations, as well as from the Saudi and other Gulf regimes and their subordinates in the lobbies of the U.S. oil and arms-making industries?

Answer: No. Unless, of course, our country exists only to supply money and cannon fodder for attaining the foreign policy goals of Israel, the Saudis, and other Gulf tyrants while they stand safely on the sidelines.

5) Question: Do American parents whose soldier-children were killed or maimed in Afghanistan and Iraq deserve to have their and their children’s sacrifice made a mockery of by having U.S. military forces ally themselves with and try to deliver victory to the same mujahedin who killed and maimed their offspring? Do the families of those killed and maimed on 9/11 merit the same treatment?

Answer: No.
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Russia acts in advance. Playing around the transfer of chemical weapons under the UN
/ Feel? And when did you last see a split in the elite of the United States?

This panic. This is the feeling that all your steps calculated in advance. That all your actions are ready to counter. Yes, it is not surprising if you act on the Manuals 90s./

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftelegrafist.org%2F2013%2F09%2F10%2F85146%2F&sandbox=1

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“We will not send America’s sons and daughters to fight another country’s civil war,” says Defense Secretary Hagel

September 10th, 2013, 10:52 am

 
 

don said:

Fox News Poll: Despite chemical weapons, voters oppose US action in Syria

As President Obama gets ready to address the nation on Syria on Tuesday, a majority of voters say the Syrian government used chemical weapons on its citizens. Even so, most say the United States should stay out of that country’s civil war.

A Fox News poll released Monday also finds disapproval of Obama’s handling of Syria has jumped to 60 percent, up from 40 percent in May. And more voters describe him as a “weak and indecisive leader” on foreign policy (48 percent) than a “strong and decisive leader” (42 percent).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/09/09/fox-news-poll-voters-say-us-less-respected-since-obama-took-office/

Overall, 40 percent approve of the job Obama’s doing as president, while a record-high 54 percent disapprove. Approval of Obama’s performance has only been this low once before (December 2010).

Voters also oppose using force to help the anti-government rebels (by 67-27 percent), and to send a message to Iran about using chemical weapons (by 61-36 percent).

Despite two-thirds of voters (66 percent) saying the Syrian government used gas on its citizens, just 36 percent favor using force to punish Syria for that (61 percent oppose).

Even among just those who believe Syria used gas on its citizens, more oppose (53 percent) than support (42 percent) using force as punishment.

The new poll finds a 57-percent majority says Obama hasn’t adequately explained why U.S. action against Syria is necessary, and 67 percent say he hasn’t clearly identified what the goals would be in taking action.

Two-thirds think the U.S. should stay out of Syria because it’s a civil war and the U.S. could end up helping anti-American extremists (68 percent). That’s unchanged from earlier this year.

Also, most voters think taking action will provoke (74 percent) rather than prevent (15 percent) additional violence in the Middle East.

Then just a week ago Obama insisted he didn’t draw a red line on Syria — it was Congress and the international community who did so through previous agreements on chemical weapons. 54% of voters think Obama was ducking responsibility for his earlier red-line statement, while 35 percent say he was stating an historical and political fact.

On the whole, voters disagree that crossing a red line mandates a military response: just 34 percent say the U.S. should respond with force “anytime a country uses weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical weapons.” And while 39 percent believe the U.S. has a “moral responsibility” to act when chemical weapons are used, 56 percent say it doesn’t.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/09/fox-news-poll-despite-chemical-weapons-voters-oppose-us-action-in-syria/

September 10th, 2013, 11:04 am

 

apple_mini said:

I do hope the regime knows how to play the politics. The Obama and his administration are desperately hoping they can score diplomatically.

Now it is very likely they won’t even get the senate to pass the resolution. Let alone the House.

It is time to let those harmful sanctions and embargo to be lifted as a condition to give up the CW.

Also, use the politics wisely to take out John Kerry. He will remain a threat to the peace process. He needs to go!

September 10th, 2013, 11:05 am

 

Alan said:

Kerry says U.S. isn’t “waiting for long” to see Russian proposal on #Syria’s chemical weapons
Just shut up already Kerry!

September 10th, 2013, 11:06 am

 

don said:

Poll Finds Support Fading for Syria Attack

Only 33% Favor Action as Backing by GOP, Independents Slumps; Almost 75% Say Focus Needs to Be on Home Turf

In a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News survey, just 33% of those polled said Congress should approve Mr. Obama’s request to attack Syria, while less than a quarter thinks military action is in the national interest.

More daunting for the president is that support for U.S. involvement is declining as the political negotiations over a potential strike play out.

“As the public hears more information, they are coming down on the side of ‘don’t do it,’ ” said Bill McInturff, a Republican pollster who conducted the survey with Democratic pollsters Fred Yang and Peter Hart.

Public unease over military action in Syria overlaps with growing opposition to interventions aimed at promoting freedom and democracy abroad, and increasing support for focusing the country’s resources on needs at home.

Almost 75% of participants in the new poll said the country should focus on domestic problems instead of working to promote democracy elsewhere, a sharp shift from 2005, when 54% said the U.S. should keep its focus at home.

Support for promoting democracy overseas has fallen among Republicans to 19% from 60%. More than three-quarters of Republicans now say the U.S. should focus on challenges at home.

Should Congress turn down the president’s request to authorize force, 59% of those polled said they would

Richard Dickinson, a 58-year-old retiree in Phoenix, said he approved of Mr. Obama’s decision to refer the Syria matter to Congress. But the Republican-leaning independent doesn’t support Mr. Obama’s overall direction on Syria, saying the U.S. should stick to helping Syrian refugees, and no more.

June Conaway, 74, of Allentown, Pa., is also opposed to strikes. The White House should have pushed for peace talks “two years ago, when it all started,” she said, adding that nothing could change her opposition to military action now.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323595004579065284261448614.html

September 10th, 2013, 11:29 am

 

Hopeful said:

“What happened in the beginning was completely different from what is happening now. It is not the same!” says Bashar Assad in his interview with Charlie Rose (51st min).

Yet if you go back and listen to his first speech two months after the revolutions started, he described it exactly how he describes it today: terrorists with arms supported by the west and paid by gulf states aiming to destabilize Syria for the benefit of Israel.

This sums ups what his strategy is to defeat the revolution.

September 10th, 2013, 11:41 am

 

don said:

Michelle Obama Opposes Syria Strike, President Says

First Lady Michelle Obama opposes military action in Syria.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/09/michelle-obama-syria_n_3896436.html?ir=Politics

September 10th, 2013, 12:13 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Human Rights Watch released its report yesterday. It is worth reading in detail, to understand the weight of evidence that support its conclusions. Even those who ‘grin and yawn’ at lengthy articles can find value in it:

Attacks on Ghouta: Analysis of Alleged Use of Chemical Weapons in Syria

Summary

This report details two alleged chemical weapons attacks in Syria on the opposition-controlled Damascus suburbs of Eastern and Western Ghouta, located 16 kilometers apart, on the morning of August 21, 2013. The attacks killed hundreds of civilians, including large numbers of children. Human Rights Watch analyzed witness accounts of the rocket attacks, information on the likely source of the attacks, the physical remnants of the weapon systems used, and the medical symptoms exhibited by the victims of the attack as documented by medical staff.

Our investigation finds that the August 21 attacks were likely chemical weapons attacks using a surface-to-surface rocket system of approximately 330mm in diameter—likely Syrian-produced—and a Soviet-era 140mm surface-to-surface rocket system to deliver a nerve agent. Evidence suggests the agent was most likely Sarin or a similar weapons-grade nerve agent. Three local doctors told Human Rights Watch that victims of the attacks showed symptoms which are consistent with exposure to nerve gas, including suffocation; constricted, irregular, and infrequent breathing; involuntary muscle spasms; nausea; frothing at the mouth; fluid coming out of noses and eyes; convulsing; dizziness; blurred vision; and red and irritated eyes, and pin-point pupils.

The evidence concerning the type of rockets and launchers used in these attacks strongly suggests that these are weapon systems known and documented to be only in the possession of, and used by, Syrian government armed forces. Human Rights Watch and arms experts monitoring the use of weaponry in Syria have not documented Syrian opposition forces to be in the possession of the 140mm and 330mm rockets used in the attack, or their associated launchers.

The Syrian government has denied its responsibility for the attack, and has blamed opposition groups, but has presented no evidence to back up its claims

September 10th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

don said:

880. Matthew Barber

Akbar Palace from Israel calling us TOWEL-HEADS is not ground for banning him/her from SC?!

September 10th, 2013, 12:34 pm

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

Some people thought that Kerry made a gaffe, but it looks like it was planned all along:
“(Reuters) – Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Barack Obama discussed the idea of placing Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal under international control on the sidelines of a G20 summit last week, Putin’s spokesman said on Tuesday.”

The real goal, it appears, is to declaw Assad by depriving him of his chemical weapons, which his father, we are told, acquired them to gain a strategic advantage. Now, the US can, with the cooperation of Russia, achieve this goal and place Syria under a binding UN resolution. God knows what else is in store.

September 10th, 2013, 12:49 pm

 

zoo said:

Is it trying to find a reason why Bashar Al Assad’s propaganda turned out to be stronger than the massive Western and Saudi/Qatar funded propaganda?

How Assad Wooed The American Right, And Won the Syria Propaganda War

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/09/10/how_assad_wooed_the_american_right_and_won_the_syria_propaganda_war

September 10th, 2013, 12:53 pm

 

zoo said:

France is trying to use the pretext of the new offer to condemn Syria without proofs at the UNSC. Russia will never accept that and will veto it. Russia wants to use that resolution to push for Geneva II. The war is now between Russia and France.

MOSCOW, Sept 10 (Reuters) – Russia told France on Tuesday that a proposal to adopt a U.N. Security Council resolution holding the Syrian government responsible for the possible use of chemical weapons was unacceptable.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told his French counterpart that Moscow would propose a U.N. draft declaration supporting its initiative to put Syria’s chemical weapons under international control, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

September 10th, 2013, 1:01 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our well informed and highly reliable sources who work hard, behind the scenes and around the clock always bring you the news before it happens. They now made this very important heads up available for release.

Preparations for the upcoming military operation against Criminal Pervert, Ass-head, by the Willing Coalition are continuing unabated. The scope and objectives of the operation have also been expanded exponentially, despite Ass-head’s latest maneuvers to escape long overdue punishment for crimes committed long long before the latest crime against humanity of Aug 21. Ass-head has crowned his ‘illustrious’ career in his own Syndicate of Crimes Without Borders by joining the exclusive club of the three most wanted in the history of Crime Perversion.

The world has not bought the latest gambit of the cornered snake-head which is rightly perceived by the world community as a flagrant attempt at buying time and then at the opportune moment will once again proceed with its inherent nature of poisonous criminal behaviour and sadistic atrocious actions.

His masters in Russia are scurrying to respond to the demands of the world by calling the now-defunct UNSC, thanks to their incompetence, to discuss ways to save their snake proxy from the certain doom awaiting it. It is the opinion of our benefactors that the Russians will not change their behavior inside this institution for which they worked hard to make it go down the drain. The Russians are more eager than ever to exercise their most cherished habit of raising their hands in arrogant veto gestures in front of the whole world, a habit they feel they have been unjustifiably deprived of during the last few weeks or so.

September 10th, 2013, 1:09 pm

 

Matthew Barber said:

Tara,

It was about more than calling her “hardly a human.” There’s no way that I can’t see the following as sectarian: “You are not the people in Damascus, You are the occupier of Damascus, You came from the mountains… go to where you came from”
But I understand your anger.

And I understand Majed’s, and I can consider your and SL’s request that he come back, but I think there needs to be an apology. Despite high levels of anger, people are responsible to control their actions and words amidst their emotions, and homophobic speech isn’t acceptable. But I don’t “lump him in” with repeat defenders, because I recognize that this kind of thing is more of a rarity for him, whereas the others were banned for long-term patterns.

In general, temporary bans are just pointless. There’s been plenty of moderation here in the past, with ample opportunity for people to change their tune. Some people just can’t change. Rev was not racist, and I also often enjoyed the humor that was part of his style, but he was not banned for “racism;” the ban was for continually antagonizing other members, which he would do quite cleverly without crossing visible lines, as well as for an overabundance of comments which often didn’t contribute to the debate but just filled up space. The few messages I listed as examples were not even the tip of the iceberg.

After the many, many times that you posted comments complaining about him and his frequent calls for violence and “carpet bombing,” I’m honestly bewildered that you’re now defending him.

September 10th, 2013, 1:22 pm

 

Alan said:

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September 10th, 2013, 1:59 pm

 

Mina said:

Matthew is trying to do a coup that is not a coup. Let’s watch what will come next.

September 10th, 2013, 2:06 pm

 

don said:

918. Matthew Barber

This is from post 917!

917. Heads-up … repeated “Ass-head” three times in his second paragraph!

September 10th, 2013, 2:07 pm

 

Alan said:

kindergarten!
Could the participation of variety peoples on highly sensitive topics to be such as /successful Hair Cutting/ at the Barber?

September 10th, 2013, 2:22 pm

 

apple_mini said:

Somehow you got the impression Syria is protected from foreign invasion and military attack by the help from Russia.

The west and US do not have any moral ground or legal ground to attack Syria. Syria is even willing to give up a deterrent tool for trade. And if that is not enough to satisfy the west, then just let it be.

The fact is at this moment, Obama and his goons want the pact done in UN more than anyone else.

The heat from Americans and politicians who oppose the military strike is indisputable. And even the rating for Obama just keeps slumping.

September 10th, 2013, 2:23 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our benefactors, who are highly reliable, work hard behind the scenes and around the clock in order to bring you the news before it happens. They made the following most important heads up available to us for release.

The Russian gambit of the snake has failed. In its attempt to get around the Willing Coalition’s resolve, the Russians caused the defunct UNSC not to convene based on their request to discuss the snakeness of their proposal.

Now, it is all laid bare for the naked eye to see. The Russians were cheating and whoever suggested that this whole thing was pre-arranged didn’t know what the hell he was talking about.

We are back to square on, and preparations for the upcoming military solution are accelerating.

September 10th, 2013, 2:36 pm

 

Rancher said:

912. William Scott Scherk said:
“Human Rights Watch released its report yesterday.”

Looks like it was the regime. I doubt Assad ordered it but that is irrelevant, if he can’t control the weapons or his generals then he or the weapons must go. It looks like Obama will take the out that Putin and Kerry gave him which he will spin as a brilliant initiative that he started weeks ago. The media is already backing that meme. Whether the CWs will ever leave or be destroyed is highly debatable but that probably doesn’t matter to Obama. Meanwhile Assad can continue to murder his own people, including civilian men, women, and children, so long as he uses regular bombs and bullets.

September 10th, 2013, 2:41 pm

 

Alan said:

Russia can not stop the march of folly in the hot heads! But Russia is uniquely capable of forcing the common sense!

September 10th, 2013, 2:43 pm

 

Alan said:

US Government Refuses to Compensate Victims of Chemical Weapons in Vietnam
Terrible consequences of Agent Orange – Dioxin
http://youtu.be/VNfzXSWb1Ko?t=45s

September 10th, 2013, 3:23 pm

 
 

Alan said:

The two strongest voices pushing for war with Syria come from two nations that typically prefer to remain in the shadows – Saudi Arabia, who’ve recently negotiated openly with John Kerry to bankroll the proposed bombing campaign, and Israel, via AIPAC, who have launched a high-pressure lobbying campaign to gain support from Congress.
The American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), self-proclaimed to be one of the most powerful lobbying groups in Washington, is descending on Capitol Hill to make a hard push to authorize strikes on Syria – with future action against Iran in view, even as Congress is poised to vote no on Obama’s authorization for Syrian strikes…
AIPAC and its cutouts are the only lobbying forces supporting the administration’s plans for war and Congress will make the decision. It should be a good moment for AIPAC to make its case. Members of Congress are now in intense fund raising mode for the 2014 primaries and general election. When AIPAC visits in the next week or two, it will make the case for war with that looming overhead.
And that is why AIPAC should win. If it doesn’t and if the Members of Congress who voted “no” are re-elected anyway, then the 1 tool AIPAC has going for it will be broken. That is the belief that it is invincible because of the campaign donations its directs both to those who support it and to defeat those who don’t.

September 10th, 2013, 3:46 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

A tearful, almost heartbroken, (attempt at a) rallying cry from a desk in a bunker.

Evocative of Hitlerian final days.

“This may be the most important video that I will ever make…”

September 10th, 2013, 4:21 pm

 
 

ghufran said:

I did ,on a number of occasions, ask everybody to consider moderating their language to keep this blog clean and enjoyable especially for outside readers, I see a loss in taking out opposing voices that can enrich the discussion but I understand the moderator’s frustration and his duty to protect this forum from becoming a playground for people who can not keep the discussion civilized.

September 10th, 2013, 4:51 pm

 

omen said:

Channel4News is just outstanding. Watch “Is it the end of the world” on Bilad al-Sham & End Times

https://twitter.com/UTD67/status/377516211908907009

September 10th, 2013, 4:54 pm

 

Rancher said:

930. Uzair8

Wow, Syria Girl sure wants to keep that gas! As a deterrent to Israeli attack? The Israelis are the one nation totally prepared for chemical attack.

September 10th, 2013, 4:55 pm

 

don said:

OBAMA already lost the vote in the house of representative

Here’s the latest voting count from both houses of Congress:

http://data.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/congress-syria-positions?rr

September 10th, 2013, 5:12 pm

 

Rancher said:

933. omen said:

Channel4News is just outstanding. Watch “Is it the end of the world” on Bilad al-Sham & End Times

https://twitter.com/UTD67/status/377516211908907009

Thank you for that Omen, that’s an angle to this I did not know. So in that narrative Assad is the anti-Christ? How does that fit with prophesy, Islamic or Christian? This does strengthen my belief that this conflict isn’t going away anytime soon despite any gains Assad is making.

September 10th, 2013, 5:17 pm

 

omen said:

rancher, uzair is the one to ask for this question. this is new to me too. i’m not muslim.

September 10th, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

don said:

ARAB SPRING

An Italian war correspondent held captive by multiple armed groups in Syria has spoken of how he was treated “like an animal”.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24039309

Domenico Quirico was freed on Sunday, after being held hostage for five months along with Belgian teacher Pierre Piccinin da Prata.

In the pages of his newspaper, La Stampa, the 62-year-old described being subjected to two mock executions.

“Our captors were from a group that professed itself to be Islamist but that in reality is made up of mixed-up young men who have joined the revolution because the revolution now belongs to these groups that are midway between banditry and fanaticism,” he said.

“They follow whoever promises them a future, gives them weapons, gives them money to buy cell phones, computers, clothes.”

Such groups, he said, were trusted by the West but were in truth profiting from the revolution to “take over territory, hold the population to ransom, kidnap people and fill their pockets”.

Mr Quirico said he and his fellow captive were kept “like animals, locked in small rooms with windows closed despite the great heat, thrown on straw mattresses, giving us the scraps from their meals to eat”.

September 10th, 2013, 5:25 pm

 

ghufran said:

Joshua posted this piece earlier:

Yasin Hajj Saleh is one of Syria’s most thoughtful leftist. He writes: “What Syria needs is a legitimate government that is strong enough to delegitimize militias, to disarm and integrate them, and to enforce adequate policies to confront them. The Assad government does not have popular legitimacy. Only its demise can signal the beginning of the end of nihilist jihadism, and thus the beginning of Syria’s recovery.”

September 10th, 2013, 5:36 pm

 

Tara said:

I just received an email survey from my representative in regard to Syria. Interestingly while I was opening the link provided by DonAnn. This particular representative was listed as No/leaning No. And more interesting is that I live in a mostly Jewish neighborhood.

It seems like nothing is written in stone as of yet.

And I yet to see the mighty power of the AIPAC on swaying his vote.

September 10th, 2013, 5:42 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi ?@Shaykhabulhuda 9 Sep
Music is here but the wedding is somewhere else. So, is the military built-up in the region for another target while Syria is merely a cover

September 10th, 2013, 5:49 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

The regime, infuriated, must be thinking ‘will the west make it’s mind up?! To attack or not! Already many members of the regime have sent family and much money out of syria in anticipation of an attack, which may now not happen at all.’

September 10th, 2013, 6:00 pm

 

Syrialover said:

For those who think REVENIRE was a bit of a joke, I suggest you take his comments and market test them with anyone who is actually living with the reality, desperation and pain of Syria.

People who have woken up daily for over two years with the sick fear of news of death or injury of loved ones, destruction of homes and places that form their sense of home, endless, relentless suffering and loss.

Go on. Show them his crude, ignorant and contempt-filled wisecracks and insults about Syrians and what is happening to their country and see if they get it.

He didn’t take the Syrian situation seriously, and made clear he didn’t care about it. And his lack of meaningful connection and understanding about Syria made it easy for him to fire deliberately extreme, nasty and outrageous shots then run off laughing.

But it also made it more obscene that such a cyber entity could come onto this previously quality Syrian discussion forum and dirty and dominate it the way he was.

Whenever I suggested people look at Syria Comment they instantly came back to say how bizarre and trashy the forum was, pointing to REVENIRE.

REVENIRE was a joke that always went too far and was never funny. A joke carried out for the entertainment and self indulgence of the repulsive “jokester” himself and those Assadists who pathetically found comfort in his remarks.

A joke from his sofa in the west at the expense of the most desperate, suffering and helpless threatened people in the world.

Sure, MATTHEW, REVENIRE was not “racist”. He was something much worse.

September 10th, 2013, 6:37 pm

 

don said:

John Kline: ‘I Cannot Support U.S. Military Strikes in Syria’

Eagan’s representative in Congress had indicated he might back an attack. On Tuesday, he said no.

U.S. Rep. John Kline (R-MN) announced his opposition to President Obama’s plan for a military attack on Syria Tuesday:

“For more than two weeks, the President has failed to convey to the American people a clear objective for military intervention in Syria. He continues to offer no persuasive rationale, which is why I cannot support the President’s request at this time for U.S. military strikes in Syria.”

Kline, sits on the House Armed Services Committee.

http://eagan.patch.com/groups/politics-and-elections/p/john-kline-i-cannot-support-us-military-strikes-in-syria_2db5b148

September 10th, 2013, 8:04 pm

 

Ghufran said:

AB Atwan was wondering if Syria will face the same fate as Libya and Iraq, both countries were attacked after they gave up their chemical weapons, it is a legitimate question but I do not believe the comparison is accurate, Syria is Russia’s last hope of having any allies in the Middle East , also Iraq and Libya had no support at the time they were attacked.
The investigation by the UN will take weeks or months, even years if the goal is to find the culprits, unless the UN comes up with a report that surprises everybody the regime will have little choice but to surrender chemical weapons. The theory that chemical weapons were a deterrent is challenged by some people but I still think those weapons would not have received this attention if they were not a concern for Israel.
Since pressure seems to be bearing fruits, the threat of a military action is not likely to disappear any time soon, indeed NATO may try to include long range missiles in any futures agreement which will leave Syria with nothing if the regime complies.

September 10th, 2013, 8:10 pm

 

Ghufran said:

What is the point of a compromise if NATO will win a unsc under chapter 7?

LAVROV: PROPOSAL OF FRANCE TO ADOPT UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION IN LINE WITH CHAPTER 7 ON SYRIA UNACCEPTABLE http://bit.ly/17nKiCa

Russia considers the pics from Ghoutah attack to be fabricated:
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September 10th, 2013, 8:22 pm

 

don said:

Colorado’s U.S. Congressman Jared Polis argues against military action in Syria

I have now reviewed the classified materials and nothing I’ve seen or heard has changed my opinion. I plan to oppose military action in Syria.

We should be cautious in evaluating who we are assisting. While there are responsible elements among the Syrian opposition that want peace and democracy for Syria, extremists — some affiliated with Al-Qaeda — are growing stronger each day, and an American attack may inadvertently strengthen extremists.

One of the factors that led me to run for Congress was my opposition to the unnecessary war in Iraq, which was predicated by faulty intelligence and cost almost 7,000 American lives and, countless Iraqi lives. During my tenure in Congress, I have consistently voted against continued funding for the Iraq war and am proud to have been a part of ending the conflict. I am now in a position to stop another unnecessary war before it begins.

The President has chosen to ask for the advice and counsel of Congress, and with my voice and my vote, I respond: do not attack Syria.

Jared Polis is the member of the United States House of Representatives for Colorado’s 2nd congressional district.

http://www.summitdaily.com/news/8080398-113/syria-president-action-weapons

September 10th, 2013, 8:42 pm

 

Tara said:

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The motto of the Syrian regime is that “we will drawn them in details and they should learn how to swim”.  There is no way that Syria will effectively surrender its chemical weapon.  It will take a decade.   

And yes, the Syrian butcher and his Russian patron outsmarted the US.  What a pity!

September 10th, 2013, 8:44 pm

 

Tara said:

What have we become!!.  

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24039309

Syria hostage Domenico Quirico ‘treated like animal’

“Even children and old people tried to hurt us. Maybe I am putting this in overly ethical terms but in Syria I really found a country of evil,” he said.

September 10th, 2013, 8:52 pm

 

zoo said:

If anyone had still doubts, here is what a captive of the rebels had to say:

“the revolution now belongs to these groups that are midway between banditry and fanaticism,”

Syria hostage Domenico Quirico ‘treated like animal’

“Our captors were from a group that professed itself to be Islamist but that in reality is made up of mixed-up young men who have joined the revolution because the revolution now belongs to these groups that are midway between banditry and fanaticism,” he said.

“They follow whoever promises them a future, gives them weapons, gives them money to buy cell phones, computers, clothes.”

Such groups, he said, were trusted by the West but were in truth profiting from the revolution to “take over territory, hold the population to ransom, kidnap people and fill their pockets”.

Mr Quirico said he and his fellow captive were kept “like animals, locked in small rooms with windows closed despite the great heat, thrown on straw mattresses, giving us the scraps from their meals to eat”.

September 10th, 2013, 9:02 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Tara,
You showed more courage than many by posting a real story from a kidnapped Italian journalist. I was attacked and ridiculed when I brought similar stories in the past and described many rebels as thugs fighting for money. The report is a must read.
Make no mistake about it, the story does not mean that thugs with guns who support the regime are much better. Syria today is a haven for thugs, that is why I always argued for one uniformed force that can keep the peace and protect Syrians, rebels clearly failed to keep their promise after they became servants of anybody who pays more.

September 10th, 2013, 9:07 pm

 

zoo said:

#943 SyriaHater

Thanks for pseudo-psychological analysis of Revenire.
I repeat that I miss him as he was at least putting some fun and humor.

We are left with dull and boring ‘analysis’ like yours.

September 10th, 2013, 9:11 pm

 

zoo said:

#951 Ghufran

There is no possible comparison between the Syrian army and the rebels. With the the army, cruel behavior was exceptional and often in reaction while with the rebels sadism and evil were the norm.

September 10th, 2013, 9:17 pm

 

Tara said:

Strong message I felt from the President.

Well done!

September 10th, 2013, 9:17 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Obama minutes ago:

9:13 p.m. ET – Obama said it’s too early to tell if the latest diplomatic efforts will succeed, but there is now the possibility that Syria will be rid of chemical weapons “without force.” As part of those efforts, he said he asked Congress to put off any votes on action and will send Kerry to meet with Lavrov this week.
9:12 p.m. ET – Obama said he agrees the US should not be the world’s policeman and said he has a “deeply held preference for peaceful solutions.” But the United States “does not do pinpriks.”

Aljazeera poll:

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September 10th, 2013, 9:29 pm

 

Ghufran said:

From Syrian Facebook pages:
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September 10th, 2013, 9:41 pm

 

don said:

ARAB SPRING

“The nuns huddled in monastery rooms tunneled under the cliffs. About 25 fighters entered, including some who appeared to be Saudi, Mother Sayaf said, and one who did not understand Arabic.”

Assault on Christian Town in Syria Adds to Fears Over Rebels

BEIRUT, Lebanon — For Syrian rebels fighting in recent days around the ancient Christian town of Maaloula, any gains made in battle could be wiped out in the war of perceptions.

Their incursion into the town, led by extremist Islamists, reinforces the worst fears of Syrian Christians and could bolster President Bashar al-Assad’s claims that he is the Christians’ protector. It may also complicate President Obama’s task as he struggles to convince Americans that a military strike against Mr. Assad will not strengthen Islamic extremists.

But the damage was already done. Most of the town’s residents have fled, and Maaloula, one of the last places where Aramaic, the language of Jesus, is still spoken by Christians and some Muslims, has become a one-word argument against Western support for the rebels — at the worst possible time for Mr. Obama and the opponents of Mr. Assad.

Syrian-Americans lobbying against the proposed American missile strike flooded Congressional message boards with appeals for Maaloula. A common refrain was that Mr. Obama was throwing Syria’s Christians “to the lions.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/world/middleeast/assault-on-christian-town-complicates-crisis-in-syria.html?_r=0

September 10th, 2013, 9:50 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO, are you now trying to replace REVENIRE as a comedy act?

“With the army, cruel behavior was exceptional and often in reaction ” (ZOO #953).

Are we supposed to laugh at that statement about Assad’s military forces? The Assad militia body that has shown “Assad or we burn the country” is their slogan and action plan.

ZOO, it’s no surprise you miss ugly hoaxer REVENIRE. You are telling us you took comfort from his twisted joking approach to the Syrian nightmare.

Plus he single-handedly helped ramp up Team Assad’s score to almost 80% of the posts on this forum.

You’ve suffered a significant loss. It’s now back to your life here like it was before he arrived.

September 10th, 2013, 10:01 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian Conflict Goes Back 13 Centuries

History of Syrian Conflict
By Dmitry Chen Sep 10, 2013 10:08 AM ET

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-10/syrian-conflict-goes-back-13-centuries.html


To understand what is happening in Syria, one must look at the larger picture. And that larger picture is the ancient and bitter Arab-Iranian rivalry, today manifested in the Arab world’s attempts to nip off bits of the Iranian sphere of influence, this particular bit being Syria.

When the conflict began, there was no America. There was no Europe, not really (we have to wait for Charlemagne to be born). The eastern Roman Empire was half alive, half gobbled up by the Arabs. And Iran — well, it had been wiped out as an enlightened, ancient empire a century before, in 651. After that, the Arabs took a long rest on the borders of Sogd (modern-day central Asia, with its capital in Samarkand), which they began to conquer only in 712.

Why the rivalry? Why did the conquerors (the Arabs) so loathe the conquered (the Iranians)? That’s where the eighth century comes in. A hundred years after the Arabs destroyed Iran, their own empire, which stretched from Spain to the Chinese border, was a teetering wreck, being devoured from the inside by rivalries and bad government.

Then, in 747, a revolt began in Iran that would eventually overthrow the Umayyad dynasty, replacing it with the Abbasids. The Abbasids would go on to build Baghdad and rule the huge Islamic caliphate for 500 years — until the arrival of Genghis Khan and his Horde.

Yes, the Abbasids were Arabs, but their scribes, builders and literati were Iranians and the Arabs who cared to learn from them. As a result, the Iranians gradually all but took over their conqueror’s empire from the inside.
….

September 10th, 2013, 10:05 pm

 

zoo said:

@958 Syriahater

Yawn… so boring.

Where are you Revenire!

September 10th, 2013, 10:09 pm

 

Tara said:

SL,

I wonder if they love each other that much, why don’t they make a groupie and establish their own chat forum. They can enjoy each other alleged sense of humor until intoxication. They can share the gore privately and relish on it.

And I promise I won’t visit.

September 10th, 2013, 10:33 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

USA Today suggests a chemical-containment plan was fruit of an Obama/Putin discussion many months ago:

The idea of coming up with a plan to secure Syria’s chemical weapons dates back more than a year, when President Obama and Russian President Vladimir Putin first discussed the matter on the sidelines of an economic summit in Los Cabos, Mexico.

At the time, the two — as they’ve been for much of the 2½-year Syrian civil war — remained far apart in their views on the conflict. During their talks in Los Cabos, Obama complained to Russia that its arms sale to Syria perpetuated the bloody conflict, while Putin argued that the sales were part of a longstanding relationship with the Bashar Assad regime, according a senior administration official, who was not authorized to discuss the deliberations and spoke on condition of anonymity.

But the two leaders seemed to find some common ground on the need to secure Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile, although no agreement was reached.

“I suggested the need for the United States and Russia to work together to deal with this particular problem,” Obama recalled to Fox News in an interview that aired Monday [9 Sept]. “It doesn’t solve the underlying Syrian conflict. But if we can solve this chemical weapons issue — which is a threat to us and the world — then it does potentially lay the groundwork for further discussions around how you can bring about a political settlement inside of Syria.”

Incidentally, the Syrian Government has moved past a ‘welcome’ to the proposal to a firm ‘agreed’ — at least according to Syrian State TV, the prime minister, and the foreign minister:

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So, the government agrees with many of the points of the proposal (not mentioning permanent destruction, but if they sign the Chemical Weapons Convention, the procedural machinery will move into gear). The devils will be in the details and the timeline. The Iraq UNSCOM and UNMOVIC saga tells us how long a government can dally on its commitments and frustrate international agreement on chemical weapons. Who knows what benchmarks the US is watching for, as the pause on a congressional vote continues? What explains the alacrity with which the government has agreed (in words) to international custody and containment? Can the word of its leaders be trusted, and will President Assad put this proposal to a referendum?

Will anybody, any actor in the theatre, be able to pivot from this proposal to a reinvigorated Geneva 2 process?

Meanwhile, the stalemate continues on the ground in Syria, 1500 more civilian dead since August 21, and no ceasefire is anywhere on the horizon. The war grinds on at mounting cost to the material and social wealth of the nation.

I am sure we all ask, what exactly has Syria won in the last three weeks? How will it have won by agreeing to give up its chemical weapôns, what are the military gains? Those who support Assad 100% may be able to share their notions about a win … Alan and Don excepting,

I think any fewer bombs on Syria are good news, whether from the regime or America — and events suggest that no more regime-side use of chemical weapons will take place.

September 10th, 2013, 10:50 pm

 

don said:

Mark Mardell: Obama’s Syria speech almost irrelevant

“The US military does not do pinpricks.” That was about the only good line in a speech by President Barack Obama that may not have won many converts.

He stood behind a podium rather than sitting at the desk in the Oval Office, and made a speech that was clear but almost entirely lacking in passion and devoid of new arguments.

Indeed, the first two-thirds seemed cut and pasted from earlier speeches.

The President’s speech was for a few days a hugely important date in the diary, but by the time he came to deliver it, events had rendered it almost an irrelevance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24044008

September 10th, 2013, 11:08 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, we at heads up rely on well informed sources that are very reliable and who work hard, behind the scenes and around the clock in order to bring you the news before it becomes news. Our benefactors have brought us yet one more very important heads up which we gladly release on their behalf.

The count down has just begun. And you need to count in French for that matter: quinze, quatorze, treize….

Just so you may know. Serpent-head once tried to speak French to Francois Mitterand. Remember the speech with mon chapeau, just after he killed Harriri? Serpent cheat in full swing.

That is it. The sepent has fifteen days left (quinze jours) to surrender its poison with no questions asked. This is the time left for it before it gets cursed above all cattle, and above every beast in the field for what it has done.

And the serpent helpers were uncovered at the defunct UNSC tonight.

No more sepents cheating from now on. Crush the head.

September 10th, 2013, 11:11 pm

 

Syrian said:

Obama sensing a tough vote in congress, decided to delay the vote,throwing the ball into Assad’s masters the Russians court, while he keeps building support for the authorization for a strike.This way he is keeping the threat of strike leaving Chemical Assad waiting for the spanking.wondering how hard it is going to be.
As I said before the Syrian people should not put all their hope on Obama’s strike.and now that chemical Assad has shown that he is willing to give up Syria’s only strategic weapon to save his rule, those who supported him because of the so called his resistance stand can see that he is nothing but a fraud.
In the mean time the facts on the ground is still the same minus the threat of Chemical Assad using CW again, and that is a great plus

September 10th, 2013, 11:14 pm

 

Syrialover said:

What a mistake for Bashar Assad to parade himself on western TV screens.

Audiences were confronted with an unpleasant alien-like creature, not resembling any other public political figure they have seen.

They saw the pointed ears and undersized head, the sunken dark eyes, the failed mustache, and the comically weird lisping unmasculine voice.

But best of all…

They heard the President of the USA respond on national TV with scorching comments about creepy-looking Assad’s claims in the interview.

This included Obama saying:

– “I think that Mr. Assad has been making claims that proved to be untrue for quite some time”

– “There’s nobody in the international community who credibly thinks that chemical weapons were not used on August 21st –”

– “I don’t think people consider Assad to be a real credible person on the international stage.”

– “I’m pleased to say that the [Syrian] opposition that we work with, that we’ve been in conversations with, the international community supported, they’ve been very clear, in statements, they don’t want chemical weapons, they don’t believe in them, they think it’s a terrible crime to have used them.”

– “…that’s not going to happen if Assad thinks that he can lie his way through this and eventually the world forgets the images of those children who were gassed”

– “..it’s important to recognize that Assad does not have significant military capabilities relative to us. ..He has obviously significant capabilities relative to those women and children who were gassed, but not with respect to us”

– “I don’t think either Iran or Hezbollah thought that what Assad did was a good idea. And you know, for us to take a limited proportional although significant strike on Assad’s capabilities to degrade them I don’t think would prompt them to get involved.”

(Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/july-dec13/obama_09-09.html)

COMMENT: What a self-inflicted PR disaster for Assad’s advisers!

Mistake 1. letting people see how strange and unpleasant Assad looks and sounds in real life and

Mistake 2. giving the President of the US – no less – the opportunity to announce to the nation and world that Assad’s interview confirmed him as a liar, that he was a cowardly killer of women and children, and an internationally discredited and isolated figure whose allies won’t even fight for him.

September 10th, 2013, 11:15 pm

 

don said:

Obama Should Have Put His Speech on Pause

Obama has no idea how to win friends and influence people. He managed to alienate both the Right and the Left. With regard to conservatives, Obama said, “I ask you to reconcile your commitment to America’s military might with the failure to act when a cause is so plainly just.” Could President Obama please tell me what is so “plainly just” about aiding al Qaeda? What is so plainly just about aiding an organization that 12 years ago tomorrow al Qaeda murdered 3,000 on our own soil? What is so plainly just about aiding an organization that one year ago tomorrow al Qaeda killed four Americans at our consulate in Benghazi?

And please don’t tell me about this “moderate opposition”. There is no moderation amongst al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood or any other Islamist entity.

http://spectator.org/blog/2013/09/10/obama-should-have-put-his-spee

September 10th, 2013, 11:18 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

From EA Worldview, some interesting reporting:

Defecting Doctor from Chemical Weapons Programme: “I Have Witnessed Cold Blooded Massacres

Dr. Abdel Tawwab Shahrour, a high-level defector from Syria’s chemical weapon program, has said at a Tuesday press conference, “I have witnessed cold blooded massacres, and I coordinated with the rebels and documented these crimes before defecting in August 2013.”

[…]

Shahrour disappeared last month and was believed to have been abducted until the opposition claimed last week that he had quit the regime and was in Turkey.

Shahrour spoke about the March 19 Khan al-Assal chemical attack, in which the regime and opposition have traded claims of responsibility — he said that all forensic investigations indicate that the victims of the strike “inhaled chemical substances such as toxic gases and phosphoric substances”.

The doctor claimed authorities tried to cover up the investigation:

We took samples from the soil in Khan al-Assal, a dead bird, a piece of a victim’s clothing as well as pack of cigarettes and we delivered them to the judiciary. However, these samples’ laboratory results have yet to be released, even though the analysis does not require more than three weeks.

When the Syrian State TV arrived at the scene of the chemical attack, [residents] and the paramedics became nervous. A man was screaming, saying that a warplane bombed the area, causing the attack. He was forced to shut up in order for Syrian State TV to reshoot the scene.

Shahrour later showed documents he said proved that insurgents could not have been behind the Khan al-Assal attack, which killed about 30 people.

Lavrov’s intriguing remarks today indicated that the chemotherapy deal may have teeth.

Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, told reporters Tuesday that the proposal for placing Syria’s chemical weapons under international control was “not completely a Russian initiative”.

Speaking at a joint press conference after talks with his Libyan counterpart, Mohamed Abdelaziz, Lavrov said the initiative had “developed out of contacts that we have had with our American colleagues, as well as yesterday’s announcement by US Secretary of State John Kerry to allow the opportunity to avoid strikes, if the problem is resolved.”

Lavrov added, “Insofar as we always strive to use even the slightest chance of a peaceful settlement of various crises, we took advantage of [Syrian] Foreign Minister Walid Muallem’s stay in Moscow to invite him to consider this possibility – that is, to put Syrian chemical weapons under international control with the prospect of an agreement on their complete destruction, as well as to consider becoming a party to the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.”

The Russian Foreign Minister went on to discuss US reactions to the proposal:

As for the comments that are coming out of the US, I am proceeding from the assumption that decisions there are made ??by the US President. In one of his interviews (aired yesterday or this night, Moscow time), President Barack Obama called the proposal a potential breakthrough and said that if there was a way to solve the problem of chemical weapons in Syria by diplomatic means, then that is preferable. Obama further added that, if we can create a clear workable mechanism to solve the problem of chemical weapons in Syria, he is completely “for” that, but that he needed to have specifics. The Russian side is now doing just that – preparing a clear workable plan, for which literally at this very moment we are in contact with the Syrian side. We expect to present the plan in the near future, and will be ready to refine it in conjunction with the UN Secretary General of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, as well as members of the UN Security Council.

September 10th, 2013, 11:38 pm

 

ziad said:

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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/191013

September 10th, 2013, 11:57 pm

 

ziad said:

The silent military coup that took over Washington

This time it’s Syria, last time it was Iraq. Obama chose to accept the entire Pentagon of the Bush era: its wars and war crimes

On my wall is the Daily Express front page of September 5 1945 and the words: “I write this as a warning to the world.” So began Wilfred Burchett’s report from Hiroshima. It was the scoop of the century. For his lone, perilous journey that defied the US occupation authorities, Burchett was pilloried, not least by his embedded colleagues. He warned that an act of premeditated mass murder on an epic scale had launched a new era of terror.

Almost every day now, he is vindicated. The intrinsic criminality of the atomic bombing is borne out in the US National Archives and by the subsequent decades of militarism camouflaged as democracy. The Syria psychodrama exemplifies this. Yet again we are held hostage by the prospect of a terrorism whose nature and history even the most liberal critics still deny. The great unmentionable is that humanity’s most dangerous enemy resides across the Atlantic.

John Kerry’s farce and Barack Obama’s pirouettes are temporary. Russia’s peace deal over chemical weapons will, in time, be treated with the contempt that all militarists reserve for diplomacy. With al-Qaida now among its allies, and US-armed coupmasters secure in Cairo, the US intends to crush the last independent states in the Middle East: Syria first, then Iran. “This operation [in Syria],” said the former French foreign minister Roland Dumas in June, “goes way back. It was prepared, pre-conceived and planned.”

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/10/silent-military-coup-took-over-washington

September 11th, 2013, 12:41 am

 

ziad said:

Syrian Rebel Commander Idris Slams Putin as a ‘Terrorist’

In an interview with TIME, Syria’s top rebel commander lashes out at Moscow, pleads for U.S. help

The top rebel commander in Syria, General Salim Idris, in an exclusive interview with TIME on Tuesday called Russian President Vladimir Putin a “terrorist” and accused Syrian dictator Bashar Assad of an effort to “win some time … to deceive our American friends and the international community.”

Speaking via Skype, the Free Syrian Army leader warned that widespread violence in Syria would make it impossible for U.N. weapons inspectors to certify that Assad had given up all of his weapons, the goal of a Russian-backed proposal now under consideration in Washington and at the U.N. Idris said his forces would grant U.N. inspectors access to rebel-controlled areas if necessary, though he said he hoped such inspections wouldn’t occur as he considered them a Russian-backed diversion from strikes against the Assad regime.

Although Idris is battling Assad’s forces on the ground, his fury was mainly directed toward Assad’s patrons in Moscow. The Russians “are trying now to find a solution for the regime,” he said, warning that “it is very important … not to be deceived [by] the Russians. They are liars. President Putin is a terrorist. He is a liar. He is lying. He is killing the Syrian people with Russian[-supplied] air jets and Russian tanks. They are killing our people since two and a half years. We can’t trust them, and we can’t trust in Bashar and believe in President Putin. The two are criminals and liars. Excuse me, please, but this is the reality.”

http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/10/syrian-rebel-commander-idris-slams-putin-as-a-terrorist/

September 11th, 2013, 12:56 am

 
 
 

apple_mini said:

Regardless what side you are on, as a Syrian it is painful and outraged to watch countries like France, UK and US using UN as an apparatus to humiliate and bully Syria as a state.

In order to uphold their pursue of humanity and justice in ME, people would ask all those terms and conditions which are demanded to comply by Syria to be applied to Israel as well.

Israel is the only country in ME which possesses nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.

The stupid and arrogant French government did not even dare to mention it.

September 11th, 2013, 5:43 am

 

Alan said:

Chairman of the Duma Committee on International Affairs Alexei Pushkov at the next plenary meeting said that the U.S. has a “party of war”, which attempts to disrupt the peace initiative of Russia for the transfer of Syrian chemical weapons under international control.

http://youtu.be/nIIdaOskmAk?t=54s
http://youtu.be/TErs3CGbql0
As General of the movie “Demobee anthem”: it’s time for America to pull at tits 🙂

September 11th, 2013, 5:47 am

 

Alan said:

French government picked up by AIPAC

September 11th, 2013, 6:02 am

 

Citizen said:

Syria, Aleppo foreign terrorists make a stupid statement against Assad before going back 2 killing civilians
http://youtu.be/WkG_nUwcgZA?t=21s

September 11th, 2013, 6:32 am

 

zoo said:

If this is not sheer evil, what is?. What is Jarba, Sabra, the accomplices to these murders have to say? “freedom and dignity”?

Jihadists force Syria Christian ‘to convert at gunpoint’

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-11/230872-jihadists-force-syria-christian-to-convert-at-gunpoint.ashx#axzz2eaC5mlcr

“Good morning, Rashrush,” a voice answered, using her nickname. “We are from the Free Syrian Army. Do you know your fiance was a member of the shabiha (pro-regime militia) who was carrying weapons, and we have slit his throat.”

The man told her Atef had been given the option of converting to Islam, but had refused.

“Jesus didn’t come to save him,” he taunted.

September 11th, 2013, 7:35 am

 

zoo said:

How dare Obama say that Bashar Al Assad yielded to accept a deal on the chemical weapons “because of the military pressure”
What military pressure? Was it the spectacular announcements of a ‘unbelievably small” attack that was about to be rejected by the Congress?
Who is he fooling? The Syrian Government showed its good will to move to negotiations and to dispel the Western fear that it had intentions to use Chemical weapons that the desperate opposition was spreading.
Kerry, by jumping on that issue, offered the desired pretext to postpone the vote and avoid a humiliation and the re-enforcement of Bashar al Assad
Now everybody is waiting for the UN inspectors report that may change the course.
In the meantime France will use the ‘chemical weapon ban’ resolution to bundle with it its usual accusation and request for Bashar Al Assad top leave power.
As Russia will oppose it and may veto it. France’s game is to sabotage the resolution on the chemical weapons so it fails ‘because of Russia’ and push the West toward military attacks.
If the discussion at the UNSC drags too long, then it will be at the advantage of Syria Army that will have time to regain as much territory as possible and to demonize even further the “rebels”
Yet it is not sure at all that the US Congress will go along with a military attack independently of the UNSC.

The Russians have a tough game to play at the UNSC as France, the UK, the Israeli lobby, the Saudi/Qatar lobby are getting ready to destroy the Chemical Ban resolution that hamper their goal of a full scale military attack aimed at a regime change .
The major Russian card is that the USA won’t go to a full war or even small strikes without a UNSC resolution on which the Russians have veto power.
All this mean more delays and more death. When is Geneva II?

September 11th, 2013, 8:03 am

 

zoo said:

Without Revenire and Majed, even Hamster has become silent

Self-righteousness, lecturing, lack of humor and boredom are invading that blog, once alive and kicking.
I wonder how long it will survive after these not really justified amputations.

In addition the Thumbs up/down hacker ( most probably Heads up) is working hard to give the impression that the boring pro-rebels post are popular!
Pathetic.
Anyone knows to what other Blogs these “banned” commenters are contributing?

September 11th, 2013, 8:14 am

 

zoo said:

UN Investigators Call For Political Settlement To Syria Conflict

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v7/wn/newsworld.php?id=977002

GENEVA, Sept 11 (Bernama) — The International Commission of Inquiry on Syria Wednesday called for a cessation of hostilities by warring parties in the more than two-year conflict and a return to negotiations, China’s Xinhua news agency reported.

In its latest report, the commission said that Syrian government and pro-government forces have continued to conduct widespread attacks on the civilian population, committing murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearance as crimes against humanity.

They have laid siege to neighbourhoods and subjected them to indiscriminate shelling, said the report, which will be presented to the Human Rights Council’s ongoing session on Sept 16.

It said that the government forces have committed gross violations of human rights and the war crimes of torture, hostage-taking, murder, execution without due process, rape, attacking protected objects and pillage.

Meanwhile, anti-government armed groups have also committed war crimes, including murder, execution without due process, torture, hostage-taking and attacking protected objects. They have besieged and indiscriminately shelled civilian neighbourhoods.

The report, which covered the period from May 15 to July 15, also found that anti-government and Kurdish armed groups have recruited and used child soldiers in hostilities.

The report also contained a section examining the conduct of warring parties in and around the town of al-Qusayr in May and June 2013.

In a statement released by the commission Wednesday, it said that there is an urgent need for a cessation of hostilities and a return to negotiations, leading to a political settlement.

“To elect military action in Syria will not only intensify the suffering inside the country but will also serve to keep such a settlement beyond our collective reach,” it said.

It said that the nature of the war raging in Syria is such that the number of violations by all sides goes hand in hand with the intensity of the conflict itself.

“With the spectre of international military involvement, Syria – and the region – face further conflagration, leading to increased civilian suffering,” it said.

The commission of inquiry was established in September 2011 by the Human Rights Council to investigate all alleged human rights violations since March 2011 in Syria.

The council decided to extend the commission’s mandate for the first time in September 2012. It extended its the mandate for another one year in March.

September 11th, 2013, 8:20 am

 

Rancher said:

962. William Scott Scherk said:
“Will anybody, any actor in the theatre, be able to pivot from this proposal to a reinvigorated Geneva 2 process?”

No.

September 11th, 2013, 8:31 am

 

zoo said:

Ziad

Idriss like the whole opposition team, Jarba, Sabra, Hitto are hysterical clowns. The FSA is now made of bandits and Islamists.

If that’s the result of two years of opposition, billions of dollars spent on it to boost it, pamper it and give it some “international” recognition, then it is clear that there is no hope whatsoever for an alternative to a reformed Syrian government.

I guess the West has also come to that same conclusion as there are no more Friends of Syria reunions, no arms for the rebels: The opposition is internationally recognized as … a total fiasco.

September 11th, 2013, 8:57 am

 

ghufran said:

A colleague from Tunisia who supports Assad insisted that I see the interview with Rose, so I did.
Assad looked tired, understandably, but not nervous, he did not get defensive when Rose used terms like dictator, alawites, butcher, etc. It looks like he ,or his advisors, were focused on one theme: the war has two sides, the regime and government troops on one side and al-Qaida et al on the other side. Rose did not ask him about political prisoners and why he did not punish anybody in his government for breaking the rules. Assad said nothing about how he plans to bring Syrians together and what will make Syrian rebels lay down their arms and stop fighting.
I think it is fair to say the interview was more predictable and less interesting than what some have hoped for, I certainly did not think another interview with Assad will change anything, and overall it was a waste of my time, I will not listen to my Tunisian friend again.

September 11th, 2013, 10:24 am

 

Heads-up said:

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Here we go. This heads up concerns the British and what developed since the latest mishap which took place in the House of Commons. We, at heads up, believe that this unfortunate black scar on the record of this institution is a blessing in disguise. What makes us so certain of this conclusion is the fact that British media today continued to question the efficacy and futility of the recent flurry of so-called diplomatic activity concerning the recent maneuvers of the Serpent-Head and its company of reptilians to the far north and to the east of its current hole in the ground where it resides in its sewered bunker. The British further believe that it is only a matter of time before the serpent will protrude its head from the buried hole to deliver yet another bigger dose of its poisonous stockpile against innocent civilians as it did on Aug 21. The Brits are certain that the serpent Ass-head is banking on the passage of time which it believes will cause diminishing interest by the world as the saga of its abhorrent crime against humanity of Aug. 21 recedes into historical memories. It is obvious that the British Parliamentarians have misgauged public sentiment and betrayed the trust of the British people by not standing up to the Serpent-Head when called for.

We, at heads up, also believe that the American public is not far behind the British in terms of re-awakening to the perils facing their nation(s) from the dangers posed by the Serpent-Head, which would deprive future generations of the freedoms and dignity that their forefathers enjoyed for so long and took for granted without much thought to the possibility of being deprived of such cherished way of living.

It has always been the case with the Serpent-Head throughout human history. It protrudes with its ugly poisonous head at opportune moments to spray its chemo-poison at humanity before it retreats into the deep holes of its sewer awaiting another opportunity. This pernicious behaviour has become even more pronounced and more apparent to the naked eye since the year 2000 when it forced itself upon the Syrians by usurping their country and homeland in an ugly and devious manner of rewriting their constitution to suit its devilish plots against humanity. Its behaviour since it chose to go public has been repeated cycles of head protrusion, poison spraying and a cowardly retreat to deep-hole sewers, again and again and again….

September 11th, 2013, 11:08 am

 

ghufran said:

This business of collecting, verifying then destroying chemical weapons will be lengthy and tricky and it can take years. The outcome of this process is uncertain and will be decided by whether Iran reaches a deal with the West, how the war goes, whether Syrians rise up against the rebels in certain areas or not, and the ability of the regime to keep its troops and generals loyal for the long run.
What NATO wants is a debilitating process that keeps Iran occupied and Syria under siege and gives Israel a free hand in Palestine and beyond, this plan so far is working very well without losing a single Israeli soldier, it is Syrians who are dying while the GCC keeps paying !!

(CNN) — Throughout much of the 1990s, U.N. weapons inspectors criss-crossed Iraq in search of Saddam Hussein’s stocks of chemical weapons. It was a game of cat and mouse, as inspectors tried to reconcile what the Iraqi regime was telling them with conflicting intelligence from western governments.
In total, the inspectors of the U.N. Special Commission supervised the destruction of more than 40,000 chemical munitions, some 500,000 liters of chemical agents, 1.8 million liters of chemical precursors and delivery systems including ballistic missile warheads.
That experience may provide a glimpse of the obstacles to securing and removing or destroying Syria’s massive stocks of the precursors that make chemical weapons. According to a new study by the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism in Israel, “Syria has accumulated since the 1980s a stockpile of approximately 1,000 tons of chemical weapons, stored in some 50 different sites.”

September 11th, 2013, 11:44 am

 

Afram said:

Al-Assad of Syria is a Fox..if you think otherwise ask Saddam&Zanka,zanka Colonel Gaddafi.

September 11th, 2013, 12:09 pm

 

syrian said:

@974 A.M
The one who humiliated all Syrians is Chemical Assad, by quickly offering a lot more than what the West is asking just to save his brother Neck, same as he did in 2005 when he gave up your precious Lebanon to save Maher’s neck.Now you are coming here to blame The other Syrians who dose not believe in the Assad mafia clan is equal to Syria the country?!
All Syrians should be very concerned about the deal that Assad is about to make to save his brother neck again,
The west that let the Assads play with time and words when it came to the Golan heights,which was all to the benefit of Israel,will not let him of the hook this time, because this deal in the end is only for the benefit of Israel.
Your crying foul about France not mentioning Israel nuclear program is misplaced, this is again due to the Assad idiocy,Israel like Assad till this week never acknowledge its program, neither did it ever used it like Chemical Assad has done.

September 11th, 2013, 12:10 pm

 

ghufran said:

These are your freedom fighters:
(civilians massacred near Homs by Nusra terrorists)
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I read this few years ago:
when your heroes walk on four legs and eat raw meat you know that it is time that you stop pretending that you should walk on two legs and eat cooked meat !!

those terrorists live to kill, they kill others and they kill each other:
(askalser-opposition site)
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September 11th, 2013, 12:19 pm

 

ziad said:

GHUFRAN #983 said:

”A colleague from Tunisia who supports Assad insisted that I see the interview with Rose, so I did.”

The Rose interview with Bashar Al-Assad was arranged by the CIA to conduct psychological analysis on his reactions, verbal, facial expressions and other body postures, to find out how Syria would respond to a US attack. Bashar made a mistake to agreeing to this interview since his current preoccupation with the revolution would prevent him from being well prepared. When he prepares he comes out as a confident, knowledgeable and cerebral president.

Since the Rose interview would have given him an opportunity to speak to a wide and influential sector of the American people, he should have prepared more thoroughly to be able to punch holes, with supporting documents, in Rose’s accusations about who did the Ghuta CW attack, the sectarian composition of the Syrian government and army, also about the Western/Israel/GCC/Turkey conspiracy against Syria, the dominance of the revolution by AQ and the overwhelming influence of Israel Firsters on American decision making. There are plenty of materials in public that support Syria’s POV.

September 11th, 2013, 12:23 pm

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

@ 985.

According to a new study by the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism in Israel, “Syria has accumulated since the 1980s a stockpile of approximately 1,000 tons of chemical weapons, stored in some 50 different sites.”

According to the Federation of American Scientists Israel in addition to having a stokpile of chemical weapons in addition to nuclear weapons, also has biological and missile weapons. While Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Syria do not have nuclear weapons.

September 11th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

Syrian said:

I read this few minuts ago

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September 11th, 2013, 12:59 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#966 SL

“COMMENT: What a self-inflicted PR disaster for Assad’s advisers!”

I agree. I bet you though that non of these advisors will say anything other than “great job Mr. President” to Assad, further inflating his ego and keeping him in the bubble of his own reality.

September 11th, 2013, 1:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Hopeful,

What about his wife? Can’t she tell him the bitter truth?

September 11th, 2013, 1:22 pm

 

ghufran said:

This is from France 24 on Maloula:

“They arrived in our town at dawn on Wednesday and shouted ‘We are from the al-Nusra Front and have come to make lives miserable for the Crusaders,” a term for Christians used by Islamists, said a frightened woman who identified herself as Marie.
She spoke to AFP in Damascus, where she was attending the burial of three Christians from Maaloula killed in last week’s fighting. The jihadists forced at least one person to convert to Islam at gunpoint and executed another, residents said Tuesday

(statement made after the invasion of Maloula including one on mentioned in france 24 did very little to change the fact that islamist terrorist invaded a little but historic Christian town and terrorized its people forcing many to flee)

September 11th, 2013, 1:40 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#993 Tara

In all honesty, I cannot figure her out. Bashar is easy to figure out: a spoiled son of a dictator who grew up with “yes” men/women around him, and in the shadow of his father and brother. I worked with people like that: they tend to be weak, insecure, very poor leaders, and very dangerous in decision-making situations because they live in their own realities. But Asma, I have no idea! Perhaps you have a theory?

September 11th, 2013, 1:42 pm

 

apple_mini said:

Oops, John Kerry had it wrong again. Kerry used Elizabeth O’Bagy’s analysis to prove the rebels are becoming more moderate. It turns out Elizabeth O’Bagy faked her Ph.D. Geez, women just fake everything nowadays.

We have a bunch of posters here praising her analysis and articles. Elizabeth O’Bagy, Kerry and his ghostwriters and others are just bunch of baloney and crooks.

We do have Damascusrose elaborately debunked Elizabeth O’Bagy.

September 11th, 2013, 2:10 pm

 

Hopeful said:

My worst nightmare scenario for Syria is coming true!

An American friend asked me in the summer of 2011 if I thought Syria was going to be another Iraq. He was referring to the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.

I replied that my worst fear was that Syria would become another Iraq 1990. The story goes like this:

– The dictator crushes the popular revolution because the west decides NOT to interfere militarily to support the rebels.
– The dictator lives to take revenge on the rebels, their families, cities, regions, sects, etc.
– The dictator becomes a weak and wounded animal, directing his rage on his people, and no one cares
– The west imposes sanctions on the country, which hurt the people and further enriches the dictator and his corrupt circle
– people get poorer and the country cannot provide basic services, except for the rich and powerful who mostly come from the dictator’s sect and family
– The west plays a cat and mouse game with the dictator for years, trying to make sure he is contained and cannot hurt anyone other than his own people
– Inspectors roam around the country looking for WMD’s
– Millions of refugees escape the dictator’s wrath
– Years later, the west is fed up trying to contain the dictator, public opinion shifts, new administration leads the US, new catalysts for war arise
– The US decides to take him out
– The country falls in chaos
– The opposition takes over – it is payback time!
– Civil war starts (or continues from where it stopped years earlier)
– New atrocities driven by revenge.
– New millions of refugees escape the civil war
– Weak corrupt governments take over, neighboring countries are mostly in control
– People live in constant insecurity and political turmoil
– It is now 13 years later

THAT is my worst nightmare for Syria. I am afraid it may be coming true. ANYONE who believes that Assad defeating the rebels will be the end of the story is fooling himself/herself. It is the beginning of a long period of misery that will rival the misery that the Iraqs felt for almost a quarter of a century. It is a ver grim picture.

September 11th, 2013, 2:15 pm

 

apple_mini said:

According to news the so-called moderate rebels are feeling really despondent now because US is not coming to strike Syria.

They were also hoping US would launch strike against Al Qaeda who have become their latest enemy after killing some FSA members.

Those rebels are mourning they have been betrayed again: the west and US are not coming to rescue them. No one is helping their holy revolution.

For starters, how about ask help from Syrians, the true Syrians, those who are living in Syria.

Oh, I almost forget, when those rebels show up to “liberate” Syrians, civilians start to flee to save their lives. Most Syrians not only will never help them, most Syrians despise them.

September 11th, 2013, 3:01 pm

 

Alan said:

Saudi Arabia has sent to Syria over a thousand bombers
Saudi Arabia has sent to Syria to fight the forces of President Bashar al-Assad almost 1.3 thousand prisoners sentenced to death. On Monday USA Today newspaper reported in its electronic version.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.warandpeace.ru%2Fru%2Fnews%2Fview%2F83501%2F&sandbox=1

September 11th, 2013, 3:03 pm

 

Alan said:

UN report: insurgents leaders in the number of executions
Published a new UN report on the situation in Syria. For the first time acknowledged that the rebels ‘opposition’ leaders in the number of rapes, torture and murder. The UN has a long list of criminals who have committed war crimes in the territory of Syria.

September 11th, 2013, 3:24 pm

 

Rancher said:

Obama: “I don’t think either Iran or Hezbollah thought that what Assad did was a good idea. And you know, for us to take a limited proportional although significant strike on Assad’s capabilities to degrade them I don’t think would prompt them to get involved”

Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the Islamic culture of honor demand responses, especially after promising responses? Isn’t it likely that part of that response will be against Israel? Won’t those responses result in an escalation of the war?

Moot points to be sure, Obama has clutched the straw Putin has given him and we will now negotiate till the cows come home, the chemical weapons may not be used again but the war will go on, and those chemical weapons that many pro-Assad and even just pro-Syrians don’t want to get rid of will stay right where they are, until they fall into the rebels hands or Assad wins.

September 11th, 2013, 3:25 pm

 

Hopeful said:

“????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??????? .
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Yeah, this is what dictatorship societies sound like..

September 11th, 2013, 3:32 pm

 

Alan said:

Learned the details carefully concealed military leadership and U.S. secret services scandal – the unknown , the hacker hacked and posted in open access e- mail correspondence of managers and employees of the Military Intelligence , which in August 2013 congratulating each other and even their relatives with a successful special operation to staging ” Syrian authorities use of chemical weapons against the civilian population. ”
In particular hacked mailbox head of the unit of the Military Intelligence Col. Anthony Jamie MacDonald ( Account serviseLinkedIn ) . In his letters, the hacker found correspondence with his colleague Colonel Eugene Furst, whose leader congratulated the achievement of a successful outcome , citing the publication in the newspaper “Washington Post” about the chemical attack in Syria on August 21. In response Furst also congratulated Colonel , admiring beautifully organized and staged by how this ” bloody ” provocation ” shavali ” the world’s media .
In the correspondence and found the testimony of his wife colleague Anthony MacDonald, who was hit by the spread of American TV channels video ” children killed in a chemical attack in Syria.” But then she calmed girlfriend , being the wife of another U.S. Army officer , explained that this was staged footage , and all the children are actually alive , as they only represented the dead on the camera , mimicking chemical injury .
The most interesting parts of the correspondence of Colonel , his colleagues and relatives hacker posted here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3g8rt2l3do33pgr/the-best.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/k3dymq2iz5f8uis/the-best.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/30qx9o4wc
The whole zip archive Colonel MacDonald laid out here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/736xsoir8pjncz7/mcdnlds-l3ak.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/se09lc29f
http://www.mediafire.com/download/p03ywz6t7m6cyp3/mcdnlds-l3ak.rar
It is lined with the contents of the mailbox wife of the colonel :
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jeqc5lm8w720kb/mary-leak.rar
http://www.mediafire.com/download/tq38hzdxvbl7427/mary-leak.rar
http://depositfiles.com/files/vjucpz9el
Also, a hacker broke into mailboxes has a number of employees the U.S. Defense Department , a post which made ??public :

1.Evans, Anthony O COL USARMY HQDA ASA ALT (US)
2 . Sims, John D COL USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)
3 . Griffith, David M COL USARMY (US)
4 . Bell, Craig A COL USARMY (US)
5 . Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
6. Morris, Daniel L COL USARMY (US)
7. Ellison, Brenda K COL USARMY (US)
8. Jennings, Wesley J COL USARMY HQDA DCS G- 8 (US)
9. Eberle, Brian K COL USARMY HQDA DCS G- 3 -5-7 (US)
10 . Bradsher, John M COL USARMY (US)
11. Fish, Charles A COL USARMY JS J8 (US)
12. Roquemore, Darlene M COL USAF (US)
13. Mott, Robert L Jr COL USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
14. Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
15. Weeks, Colin A LTC USARMY (US)
16. Reynolds, M Bridget LTC USARMY HQDA DCS G- 2 (US)
17. Grahek, Christopher J LTC USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
18. Henderson, Valerie D LTC USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)
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http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fanna-news.info%2Fnode%2F12343&sandbox=1

September 11th, 2013, 3:35 pm

 

Alan said:

About the staged nature of the “evidence” of the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian army
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fanna-news.info%2Fnode%2F12343&sandbox=1

A hacker broke into mailboxes has a number of employees the U.S. Defense Department , a post which made ??public :

1.Evans, Anthony O COL USARMY HQDA ASA ALT (US)
2 . Sims, John D COL USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)
3 . Griffith, David M COL USARMY (US)
4 . Bell, Craig A COL USARMY (US)
5 . Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
6. Morris, Daniel L COL USARMY (US)
7. Ellison, Brenda K COL USARMY (US)
8. Jennings, Wesley J COL USARMY HQDA DCS G- 8 (US)
9. Eberle, Brian K COL USARMY HQDA DCS G- 3 -5-7 (US)
10 . Bradsher, John M COL USARMY (US)
11. Fish, Charles A COL USARMY JS J8 (US)
12. Roquemore, Darlene M COL USAF (US)
13. Mott, Robert L Jr COL USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
14. Parramore, David J (Dave) COL USARMY MEDCOM HQ (US)
15. Weeks, Colin A LTC USARMY (US)
16. Reynolds, M Bridget LTC USARMY HQDA DCS G- 2 (US)
17. Grahek, Christopher J LTC USARMY HQDA OTSG (US)
18. Henderson, Valerie D LTC USARMY HQDA OCPA (US)

September 11th, 2013, 3:40 pm

 

Alan said:

Media: U.S. senators who voted for the strike on Syria, received funds from lobbyists MIC
Members of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs, voted in favor of strike on Syria in recent years received more money from lobbyists military industry than those who voted “against”

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frus.ruvr.ru%2Fnews%2F2013_09_06%2FSMI-Senatori-SSHA-golosovavshie-za-udar-po-Sirii-poluchali-sredstva-ot-lobbistov-VPK-4022%2F&sandbox=1

September 11th, 2013, 3:51 pm

 

Alan said:

Around the world
Hilary runs half-witted, lacking all the sleeves and croaks hoarsely: “Syria” …

September 11th, 2013, 3:58 pm

 

Tara said:

General Salim Idris, the Free Syrian Army commander most closely associated with the United States position in Syria, has issued a formal statement rejecting the Russian proposal to dismantle Assad’s chemical weapons program.

Opposition factions had hoped the United States would hit Assad hard enough to tilt the battlefield. Idris, however, goes beyond an expression of discontent with the delay in US strikes. He opposes the diplomatic initiative under way.

Idris’ rejection of the Russian proposal would seem to represent the most visible fissure yet between the United States and its supposed allies among the opposition.

September 11th, 2013, 4:05 pm

 
 

Tara said:

“From Assad’s perspective, without chemical weapons the Alawites might fall off the face of the earth.” I don’t believe Assad will surrender his chemical weapons as without them No Alawistan can be formed or threaten Syria.

Putin Didn’t Save Obama, He Beat Him
With the Russian proposal on Syrian chemical weapons, the United States is being escorted out of the Middle East.
12:20 PM, Sep 10, 2013
BY LEE SMITH

http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/putin-didnt-save-obama-he-beat-him_753730.html?nopager=1

Maybe Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin really did discuss the idea of putting Syrian chemical weapons under international control last week on the sidelines of the G20 conference. Putin sure doesn’t care that Obama’s taking credit for the proposal, or that the administration is posturing like a Mob enforcer. “The only reason why we are seeing this proposal,” said White House spokesman Jay Carney, “is because of the U.S. threat of military action.

Right, Putin is laughing to himself. Whatever. If Obama wants to sell it like a Christmas miracle on Pennsylvania Avenue that’s fine with Putin, because Putin won.

Reset with Russia was originally a strategic priority for the Obama administration because it saw Moscow as the key to getting Iran to come to the negotiating table. Putin, from the White House’s perspective, was destined for the role of junior partner. Now Putin has turned “Reset” upside down. By helping Obama out of a jam with Syria, Putin has made himself the senior partner to whom the White House is now beholden. Accordingly, when Putin proposes the same sort of deal with Iran, with Russia having established its bona fides as an interlocutor for Syria, Obama is almost certain to jump at it.

What’s unclear is whether Obama understands that his foreign policy legacy will be to have ruined the American position in the Middle East, our patrimony of the last seven decades. If the 1979 takeover of the U.S. embassy in Tehran signaled weakness, the Russian deal screams surrender. The real surprise is that it’s not Iran kicking the United States out of the region under Obama’s watch, but Putin.

The Syrian government has accepted the proposal because they understand it is an empty formalism. As everyone knows, as even all but the most obtuse White House officials must also understand, Assad will not give up his unconventional arsenal because he cannot. The use of chemical weapons in a Damascus suburb August 21 is evidence that, contrary to the regime’s narrative, Assad and his allies are not routing the rebels. The district that was targeted is a strategically significant node that, among other things, is close to the Dumayr airstrip where the regime is supplied with direct flights from Iran. The rebels had held the territory for over a year, thwarting repeated attempts by Assad’s forces to retake it. Presumably, Assad calculated that given the importance of the area it was worth testing Obama’s red line to take it. Without chemical weapons, Assad fears he may lose the war.
But what’s even more terrifying for Assad is the prospect that he, his family and friends, regime officials, and indeed the entire Alawite community might lose their lives. In the event the regime should find itself in such an existential crisis, plan B is to withdraw from Damascus and head to the coastal mountains that make up the historical Alawite homeland. The question for Assad then is, how to ensure the safety of that retreat? Further, once there how are the Alawites to defend their redoubt from a Sunni community galvanized by a shared vendetta against Assad and his community? From Assad’s perspective, without chemical weapons the Alawites might fall off the face of the earth.

Who knows what the Russians told Assad? For God’s sake, just say it’s your chemical weapons arsenal you’re turning over for safekeeping. Send them canisters of perfume, or cat urine. The Americans just want a deal, the president thinks he’s saving face. If the Americans are smart, they’ll let the whole thing drop and call it a win, but knowing them they’ll come back later and complain that you’re not keeping your end of the bargain. No problem. We’ll stall them. And then every time Obama whines it will remind your adversaries and U.S. allies around the world that the Americans are empty suits, a bunch of legalistic bureaucrats who are incapable of standing with their friends.

It’s hard not to be impressed with Putin. A man who up until yesterday seemed merely crass, has revealed himself to be capable of great subtlety. For years his method was so transparent, so obvious, his vulgarities intended to appall and shock the White House. He accused one secretary of state of plotting against him, and another he calls a liar. He gave Edward Snowden refuge. He dispatches his thugs to beat up LGBT teenagers. After a while, the administration learned not to be surprised by anything Putin does. He’s a bully, smitten with his own macho self-image. That’s all true, but now we see that Putin was testing Obama and looking for openings.
The president’s supporters and publicists in the press know how to package Obama’s weakness. The fear that everyone else in the world smells emanating from him like a wounded animal is really just humility and modesty—fitting attributes for the leader of a superpower that needs to make amends for having meddled so long in the affairs of others. And besides, this talk of strength and weakness is juvenile—the world is not a schoolyard. And so Obama ignored Putin’s slights and held his head high. This revealed to Putin Obama’s real liability, his vanity. Obama always needs to look good. He will embrace defeat so long as he can still imagine himself a handsome princeling. After pushing Obama around for five years, now Putin escorts him out of the Middle East. Here, friend, take my hand. Let me help you to the sidelines.

As David Samuels wrote last week, Putin’s goal is to replace the United States as the regional power broker. Sure, Russia is less a state than a criminal enterprise with lots of energy to sell, while the United States drives the global economy, but so what? What good are American aircraft carriers if you don’t have the will to use them? Putin will use anything he has to win, while Obama is looking for a reason not to fire a few cruise missiles into the Syrian desert. There is absolutely no chance Obama would risk a shooting war with Iran.

The Russian proposal not only saves Obama from having to do something about Syria, it also, and much more important, shows the way forward with Iran. From the White House’s point of view, its credible threat of force made Syria buckle and will similarly bring Iran to the negotiating table. Putin has shown his bona fides as a credible interlocutor with Damascus and will do the same with Iran. Obama can relax now and imagine that he has finally earned his Nobel Peace Prize and that that sound he hears is the tide of war receding.
In fact, it is the sound of American allies around the world—the Poles and Czechs, the Japanese and the South Koreans, the Saudis, Jordanians and Israelis, among others—gnashing their teeth. They now see that they are on their own, and that he word of the United States means nothing.

September 11th, 2013, 4:37 pm

 

Alan said:

Fleet of the Russian Federation during a training exercise off the coast of Syria working out the interception of cruise missiles

September 11th, 2013, 4:57 pm

 

Alan said:

“For Obama, now comes to the fore the need to defeat Saudi Arabia in the Syrian war – then it is inevitable in one form or another will come to Bahrain, and after – in the Kingdom itself.” – That’s why you need to bomb Syria and give the militants, and in the near future, and the army of Saudi Arabia to begin a counteroffensive … Brilliantly …

September 11th, 2013, 4:58 pm

 

Alan said:

They need to delay Syria issue, for this they go to any tricks!!!

@MID_RF

Comment Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Lukashevich to adjourn the meeting the UN Security Council on Syria

In Moscow, drew attention to the circulating in some media reports referring to British “BBC” that the scheduled September 10 meeting of the UN Security Council on Syria, which initiated the convening of Russia, was postponed at the request of the Russian side.
 
In this regard, I would note that this is not true. We initiated this meeting, but the decision not to hold a discussion in the Security Syrian dossier was made at the request of the other members of the Council.

September 11th, 2013, 5:32 pm

 

Alan said:

messege for hotheads !!
Russia will arm Syria and Iran to the teeth with HIGH TECH weapons !

September 11th, 2013, 5:53 pm

 

apple_mini said:

Seriously, what is FSA? Is the opposition or the rebels relevant to current diplomatic jabs?

When their puppet masters are tumbling in their own maneuver, the last thing they want to hear is probably some squeaky noise from their puppets.

September 11th, 2013, 6:47 pm

 

omen said:

rancher, RT is current day pravda, russian state organ peddling lies.

btw, to correct an earlier misconception, end time belief is not a significant motivator for jihadists, says this analyst:

https://twitter.com/ajaltamimi/status/377546400864555008

September 11th, 2013, 6:54 pm

 

omen said:

185. Rancher said: The Generals don’t want this:

no, of course not. they don’t have a problem standing idly by watching assad kill off arabs.

September 11th, 2013, 6:58 pm

 

omen said:

1002. Rancher said: Isn’t it likely that part of that response will be against Israel?

for some reason, the ME focused journalists/pundits i follow (including israeli americans) are confident assad wont retaliate against israel. they must calculate he’s not that stupid.

September 11th, 2013, 7:04 pm

 

omen said:

997. apple_mini said: Geez, women just fake everything nowadays.

poor, apple.

September 11th, 2013, 7:12 pm

 

Rancher said:

Omen: When I found out RT meant Russian TV I pretty much figured Putin, one of the first things he did when he came into power was get rid of a free press. However the end times report was from British media wasn’t it? In any case I look at this as a basic Sunni Shia fight that was precipitated by a revolt for freedom but was quickly co-opted by jihadists.

September 11th, 2013, 7:14 pm

 

Syrian said:

Little apple
You mean the FSA should just watch and learn how the puppet Bashar when he was told to jump he replied with how high.?Agreeing in 2 hours to his master Russia orders to get rid of his precious chemical weapon is a diplomatic jab?
You have not told us yet how is that a an Assad victory yet.

September 11th, 2013, 7:29 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

You have not heard? It is already declared victoriES
—–
Syria won’t accept ‘imposed’ chemical weapons plan
Syria’s acceptance of the chemical weapons plan should not be interpreted as a concession or sign of weakness, according to a senior minister in the regime.

Reconciliation minister Ali Haidar said the proposal, put forward by the Russians, is still a “broad headline” that needs to be developed.

He added that Syria was ready to sign the chemical weapons convention but not if such a move is imposed, he told AP. It quoted him saying: “Syria does not accept to have anything imposed on it and all the steps that some interpreted as concessions are Syrian victories, in the end.”

September 11th, 2013, 7:51 pm

 

zoo said:

Elizabeth O’Bagy is fired from the ISW. She was a cheat <

"Ms. Elizabeth O'Bagy does not in fact have a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University. ISW has accordingly terminated Ms. O'Bagy's employment, effective immediately."

Researcher cited by Kerry, McCain on Syria fired by think tank

7:23 p.m. EDT, September 11, 2013

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. researcher whose writings about the merits of moderate opposition forces in Syria were cited by Secretary of State John Kerry has been fired from a non-partisan think tank for misrepresenting her academic record, the group said on Wednesday.

Elizabeth O'Bagy had been a senior analyst at the Institute for the Study of War. Her recent opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, saying that moderate opposition forces continued to lead the fight against the Syrian government, was cited by both Kerry and Senator John McCain in congressional hearings last week as they argued for U.S. intervention in Syria.

But on Wednesday, the institute said on its website that it had "learned and confirmed that, contrary to her representations, Ms. Elizabeth O'Bagy does not in fact have a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University. ISW has accordingly terminated Ms. O'Bagy's employment, effective immediately."

September 11th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara
LOL I have not read that one yet.but I saw this morning something similar to that one from ZOO
“979. ZOO said:
“How dare Obama say that Bashar Al Assad yielded to accept a deal on the chemical weapons “because of the military pressure””
If I care I would check to see the timing of the Hyder statement, because maybe it is Zoo who is issuing the talking points not the other way around.

September 11th, 2013, 8:18 pm

 

zoo said:

Poor Idriss… I feel sorry for the guy. Like all of the SNC and FSA leaders he is on Saudi Arabia payroll.
He has to struggle to please his bosses.
Yet until now, he has failed.
The Saudis are giving him a new chance to create the “Sunni Syrian National Army’.

September 11th, 2013, 8:32 pm

 

zoo said:

Putin speak directly to the Americans .

A Plea for Caution From Russia
By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN
Published: September 11, 2013

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html

MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.
….
Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law.
….

September 11th, 2013, 8:44 pm

 

Tara said:

The US might not strike the regime but is surely going to give the rebels quality weapons.  One watches  Kerry’s passionate argument about Syria and one knows it is becoming up close and personal to Mr. Kerry.  I see what is happening being win strategy for the revolution on the medium and long range.  The rebels are going to have quality weapons and slowly but surely advance into more territories.   Batta will never win the war without chemical weapons.  His army, economy and military capability is degrading.   And most importantly, he will not be able to form Alawistan on the coast without his chemotherapy.  The cost is vital to Syria and Syrians will not let go of it.  I am not concerned that Syria will lose its chemical weapons as a deterrent to Israel.  A just peace is not going to become a reality with a stockpile of WMD that do not differentiate between a soldier and an infant.  It is going to only materialize when Arab countries become prosperous and civil democracies.  

Now enjoy the news:
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September 11th, 2013, 8:47 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The NSA unlawfully spied on Americans and gave Israel unrestricted access:

NSA and Israeli intelligence: memorandum of understanding – full document
Top-secret document shows how intelligence being shared with Israel would not be filtered in advance by NSA analysts to remove US communications.

Read the full report including a leaked document on the guardian website.
We are supposed to trust and believe everything that comes out of the NSA !!
The golden rule is trust but verify, this part ” verification” can only be done by a neutral agency especially when the subject is related to Israel or CW.

The goal of any war on Syria is not to protect Syrians but to disarm Syria and prolong the life of the apartheid regime in Israel.

September 11th, 2013, 8:47 pm

 

Syrian said:

Chemical Assad, now completely on Iran assistance IE pay role
Struggling to end the war stumbling left and right
His incompetent is about to bankrupt Iran, lets see how much more can they both hold.
He did win a major “victory”recently though, he just agreed to let go of all his CW
Big celebration is expected in Iran after they got that “victory”

September 11th, 2013, 8:48 pm

 

zoo said:

“Washington will have to live with Assad as a negotiating partner and guarantor of agreements.”

Fareed Zakaria: Obama on the path to success in Syria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-obama-is-on-the-path-to-success-in-syria/2013/09/11/5757f55a-1b06-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

Whatever the twisted path, whether by design or accident, the Obama administration has ended up in a better place on Syria than looked possible even days ago. The president was wise to take up and begin to test the Russian offer to remove and possibly destroy Syria’s arsenal of chemical weapons. In fact, the offer has forced some clarity from a sometimes muddled U.S. foreign policy. For the president to turn this situation into a foreign policy success, he will have to maintain that clarity.

There are three distinct arguments for intervention in Syria, which are sometimes mixed together in calls for action. The first is regime change, which would require policies to help the rebels topple Bashar al-Assad’s government. The second is humanitarian, to do something to stop the enormous sufferingthere. The third is simply to underscore and enforce an international norm against the use of chemical weapons.
President Obama has now firmly committed himself to the third — and only the third — objective. In his speech Tuesday, he rejected the first, explaining that the United States “cannot resolve someone else’s civil war through force, particularly after a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

….
But to maintain that success, the administration will have to be clear that it does not seek any other goals, at least for now. Washington will have to live with Assad as a negotiating partner and guarantor of agreements. Should international inspections get underway, it would be difficult to threaten the use of force because inspectors would be in Syria — in harm’s way. Recall that U.N. inspectors had to be pulled out of Iraq before the 1998 bombing of Operation Desert Fox; the result was that the entire inspection system ended.

The Obama administration is right to carefully and thoroughly pursue the diplomatic path — even though it will be difficult

September 11th, 2013, 8:57 pm

 

zoo said:

White House’s war lies may backfire on beleaguered administration

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90777/8397501.html

In the present case, the White House bases its case of the Syrian use of WMDs primarily on a single “intercept” of an unencrypted Syrian military voice communication. Washington alleges that this intercept proves the Syrian military used WMDs against civilians.

Some US experts believe that this alleged intercept, if it even exists, was doctored by the Israeli government so as to “prove” Syrian government complicity in WMD attacks.

Former British ambassador Craig Murray raises additional questions about the Israeli report.

He claims that the powerful British electronic intelligence center for the region, located on Mount Troodos in Cyprus, has no such intercept from its own monitoring.

He says that this center has such powerful capabilities that no electronic communications in the Middle East can escape it.

In addition to the Israeli allegation, the White House says it has obtained materials from the scene of the recent attack in Syria which “prove” the nerve agent Sarin was used.

From whom did the US obtain such contaminated materials? The Obama administration refuses to identify the source and chain of custody of the materials.

Given Washington’s transparent propaganda campaign, it is not surprising that some leaders around the world express grave doubts about US allegations. Russian President Vladimir Putin forthrightly calls such propaganda “lies.” Many Americans, including senators and congresspersons, would agree with him.

It is significant that the US Intelligence Community (IC) so far is not on public record supporting the Israeli allegations. The US IC apparently cannot assess with high confidence this Israeli reporting.

This is why the Obama administration had to issue its own politicized report on alleged Syrian WMD use from the White House.

The White House made a major political mistake engaging in such blatant deception of the American people and the international community.

The recent turnabout may mean no strikes, but the harm to US credibility has already been done.

September 11th, 2013, 9:05 pm

 

Tara said:

This is not religion.  This is human greed.  How much money this girl was sold for?
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http://aljazeera.net/humanrights/pages/6d94f5b3-586e-420b-b811-c5f129b970ba

September 11th, 2013, 9:07 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Syria can not buy food and medicine due to sanctions and lack of foreign currency, that gave Iran an opportunity to sell those items, only naive people think that this is done for free.
The GCC sent billions to terrorists and billions to bail Egypt but did not keep its pledges to help Syrian refugees !!
By the way, it is pay roll not pay role, mr Syrian.
Those who cheered for sanctions and economic hardship in Syria are the same people who complain about Syria becoming more dependent on Iran.

September 11th, 2013, 9:11 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Isis sharia emir in raqqa was killed
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I do not think that force alone will be enough to defeat jihadists, there is a definite need to stop the war and prevent future potential recruits from joining Nusra and other terrorist groups, that can not be done without a political solution and that solution is not possible with Assad and Makhloufs family staying at the top.
Politics in the Middle East is personal to a large degree, a change in leadership in turkey and ksa will help, this can happen by natural means or by elections. As long as we have leaders who personalize the war it will be hard to end the conflict.

September 11th, 2013, 9:26 pm

 

Tara said:

Lots of Syrians believe that ISIS is a tool of the regime, unleashed by Batta, and given Raqqa without a real fight to establish an Islamic Imara and to commit atrocities that would become an endless source of propaganda for the regime.

Does any one remember how Raqqa fell? Did ISIS ever had a real fight with the regime?

September 11th, 2013, 9:33 pm

 

Syrian said:

Ghufran
After Zoo now you are going after my spelling!
Food and medicine are not included in the sanctions,Iran is sending all kind of arms,men and experts that kept this mafia regime alive.
Tonight there are over a million of the 2 Gouhta residence who are starving for no reason other that chemical Assad is using food as a weapon against civilians who did not have the means to leave, the refugees in comparison are doing great, but those starving people are not worthy of your attention, but 3 Christians getting killed after a week of fighting are your kind of news. with a commentary later that all rebel supporters are animals,! Really get a grip on your “neutrally”

September 11th, 2013, 9:53 pm

 

Tara said:

And didn’t ISIS kidnapped and killed father Paolo in Raqqa?

Why didn’t the regime carry its usual aeriall bombing in Raqqa?

Why is it the only completely “liberated” town in Syria? I remembered that I woke up one day to hear Raqqa is liberated and the two Ba’ath men were captured? Why was it that easy?

September 11th, 2013, 9:57 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Syrian,
I was corrected before when I misspelled some words, I meant no disrespect.
I do not endorse or defend sanctions or sieges against civilians whether done by the rebels or the regime.
Millions of Syrians are suffering because of this war, this is why the war needs to stop.
Most people know what it takes to end this war but nobody cares about Syria or its citizens.

September 11th, 2013, 10:05 pm

 

Syrian said:

Hello regime supporters, it seems that your latest “victory” has made Israel little worry and it is asking you to please win some more, poor thing you can not “win”

“But there was also pessimism in Israel that the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, would actually fulfill his promise to turn over and ultimately destroy his chemical stockpile. Instead, many analysts worried that Mr. Assad, his Iranian patrons and the Lebanese militia Hezbollah would emerge strengthened, and that the main upshot of the episode would be a sense of American wavering on involvement in the Middle East.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/world/middleeast/us-backing-of-russian-plan-leaves-a-wary-israel-focusing-on-self-reliance.html?ref=global-home

September 11th, 2013, 10:07 pm

 

Observer said:

Putin won this round. iPad suffered a defeat admitting he has chemical weapons and to save his regime willing to give them up.

The next step will be to call Russia’s bluff. At the UNSC, put forth a resolution that Russia will veto. Then come back and fire the missiles.

Simple. Otherwise we will have as the WSJ wrote today the Laurel and Hardy Presidency with Kerry and Obama as the major players.

Very good, the plot thickens. iPad is now way over his head and is a little pawn in Putin’s hand. At least his daddy had a slim position of pseudo independence.

I am actually puzzled how the pro regime are not cheering these days.

No resistance and no sovereignty just a killing machine.

I miss ALI and ANN and Rev

Where is Mjabali when we need him.

Broken records have remained such as zoozoo and Ghufran.

September 11th, 2013, 10:20 pm

 

Observer said:

The war needs to stop as suggested. For that to happen the very mind set of the regime considering the country as its “farm” has got to end. The regime needs to be uprooted from its core and its security apparatus need to be dismantled dungeon by dungeon and cell by cell and cave by cave and its places of torture made into educational museums.

In contrast to the iPad retard who just accepted whatever Lavrov forced down his throat, the FSA has refused dealing with the regime and they are the ones that would be left to face the killing machine. At least they are brave in contrast to the cowardly chemical iPad Ray Ban retard.

To equate the revolution with the brutality and depravity of the regime using concussion bombs and chemical weapons is despicable.

I will remind you again and again to break the place up. There is no way these people can live together.

Spin spin and weave and stitch your stories I love to read.

September 11th, 2013, 10:30 pm

 

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Our reliable sources told us that the North Koreans have just decided to fire up again one of their dormant nuke reactors which is capable of producing weapons grade plutonium.

Omama’s legacy objective is simple. Give me the Prize and get a free-for-all nuke world – no holds barred.

September 11th, 2013, 11:41 pm

 

ghufran said:

observer,
are you advocating a partition of Syria?
If you are, you will find a lot of support among regime supporters.
As for uprooting the regime and dismantling it piece by piece, I am curious how that can be done and who is going to fill the void?
I think a change of leadership at the top, something I supported from day one, will go a long way to facilitate dialogue, the grandiose language by the SNC and then the NC led to nothing except more rhetoric, they should focus on Bashar’s departure and the removal of certain figures, nobody is ready to try to create a chicken from “scratch”.

September 11th, 2013, 11:55 pm

 
 

omen said:

1036. Tara said: And didn’t ISIS kidnapped and killed father Paolo in Raqqa?

ppl have pointed to this from italian press. they suggest there are negotiations ongoing for ransom:

The silence lasted a long time despite the contacts immediately activated by the foreign ministry and intelligence services, had feared the worst. Until June, when Quirico was able to call his wife. In recent weeks the Minister Bonino had shown “cautiously confident”, even compared to the parallel case of the Jesuit Father Paolo dall’Oglio, in turn disappeared in Syria in July. There is no news at the moment of the payment of any ransom. The Minister Bonino did not want to reveal the details for the moment of release.

September 12th, 2013, 2:32 am

 

omen said:

1044. which seems to be corroborated here, from an afp report in the global post:

Italy is also still trying to free another one of its nationals missing in Syria since July, Father Paolo Dall’Oglio, a Jesuit priest who has lived in Syria for many years to promote inter-religious dialogue.

September 12th, 2013, 2:47 am

 
 

Alan said:

White House: Putin’s plan for Syria is better than a military strike.
Obama plans to continue consultations on Syria with Putin.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?hp&_r=1&amp;

September 12th, 2013, 6:13 am

 
 

Hopeful said:

#1042 Ghufran

I agree.

For this war to end and a compromise to be reached, both parties need to feel that they have won something. Assad’s departure along with his cronies would be a victory for the rebels. Preserving the government and the state would be a victory for the Syrian Army.

Otherwise the only two choices are:

1) partition – not a terribly bad option considering that, at this point, people really do not seem to want to live with each other.

2) a resound and clear military victory of one side over the other. Unlikely to happen if Assad is not allowed to use chemicals, an unlikely to happen if the rebels do not get serious weapons from the west.

September 12th, 2013, 6:49 am

 

Alan said:

Israeli minister cautiously welcomes Syria chemical arms plan!
Have you achieved your scheduled plan? does not rejoice! vacuum will not be in this case!
you’ll still get nervous much!

September 12th, 2013, 6:56 am

 

Tara said:

Putin’s op-ed piece in the New York Times warning against US militarism sticks in the craw of former world chess champion turned political activist Garry Kasparov.

While Putin was writing for the NY Times with one hand, the other signed more orders for weapons for al-Assad to murder more of his people.

— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) September 12, 2013
If Putin really wants to help retrieve al-Assad’s weapons he can provide the mailing list he used to send them to Syria in the first place.

— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) September 12, 2013

September 12th, 2013, 7:12 am

 

Alan said:

Garik Kimovich Weinstein is Russian Jewish!
Yuda is not popular in Russia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov

September 12th, 2013, 7:22 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

A Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang told, that the “Russian plan” of Syria giving up its chemical weapons was actually developed by the Nordic countries (Norway, Sweden and Finland). The Finnish Foreign Affairs Minister Erkki Tuomioja today confirmed the story. Tuomioja told that he had discussed of the plan with Sergei Lavrov.

The great WMD irony is, that in Finland was planed to be arranged a UN nuclear free Middle East conference in the end of 2012. Everybody else including Iran, except, guess who, were ready to come to discuss. USA postponed the meeting by the order of guess who.

September 12th, 2013, 7:22 am

 

Observer said:

Ghufran

There was no void before this regime took over. Syria had a many institutions that were not perfect but functioning: a parliament (albeit representing urban elites); an independent judiciary; a non corrupt police force; etc…. I would add that the father of this retard had left the institutions of governance semi functional precisely in order to continue to provide a minimum of services.

The security branches will have to be dismantled starting with aviation intelligence and so on. Like all modern states it will have an internal counter intelligence and an external intelligence agencies both under the supervision of the parliamentary committees responsible for their actions and budgets.

The constitution will need to scrapped and separation of powers will be instituted.

As for chaos we have had now 40 years of increasing chaos and now total chaos. My friends tell me that army checkpoints are kidnapping stations for ransoming people. There is a so called “judiciary vacation” and the judges are not working till the 15th of the month and that in a country in full chaos.

Yes partition is the answer; go to Lebanon and you will find that the christian areas are now ever more separated from the muslim areas. People in those areas never venture into the other’s areas. You can go from one street to another and you will find different sects living in them. Sunnis do not go to the Dahyie and some taxi drivers I used had not gone to some areas in years.

The dismantling of the regime will mean the end of the Alawi community at the helm of the country and they will fear rightly that they will be marginalized.

I wrote a long time ago that the Alawi leadership in the regime is doing the same miscalculation that the Maronites did in Lebanon when they initiated the civil war at that time thinking that they will consolidate further their grip on power. They ended up losing badly.

There is no way that the regime is going to go to the status ante. The only way to do that is to crush the revolution fully like they did in 82 in Hama but this time the scale and extent of the destruction and alienation and killing is such that there will be generations of animosity. It will explode again and next time it will be so fierce that it will make Rwanda look like a picnic. Moreover they will need to extend a compromise and any compromise will lead to the end of the regime. They backed themselves into a corner and they continue to do a “Fuite en avant” first with police force, then with security force, then with heavy weapons, then with regional allies, then with CW, and now with giving up their deterrent to stay on the Koursi.

I advocate the break up of the Levant into political entities while creating a complete EU style economic union. Free the people of the economic hardships, give them the opportunity to thrive, guarantee them an independent judiciary, and reduce the power of politicians. They can have an independent Kurdistan, an Alwaistan, a Druzistan, a Maronistan, and a Sunnistan, and Shiastan. They will have a lower house representing them after a census is done and an upper house with two representatives from each sect, community, whatever. The President will have a symbolic role, each area will have its local police, there will be a federal police, and institutions that take care of common resources: water, oil, gas, environment, ports, airports.

In essence the institutions are there to serve the economic welfare of the people.

Ben Franklin remains relevant: those who sacrifice liberty for security will get neither.

As a matter of fact Iraq is a good example: Kurdistan is independent and works with the central government on economic issues; they have their own forces and their own institutions and their language. In the rest of Iraq, the fighting continues until the dominance of Shia over Sunnis ends up in a similar situation. When the regime in Syria falls, the Sunnis will find their position improved and they will force the Maliki regime to compromise with them. Then and only then will the extremist Al Qaeda be defeated.

Remember very well: the extremist Sunnis are born and bred and honed in their fanaticism in one place and one place only: the oppressive rule of dictatorship. The dungeons and caves and basements and torture chambers and arbitrary rule of the Arab regimes.
Once an alternative is there, hope is restored, governance is functioning, gains consolidated, justice is independent, education is ongoing, there will be no need for anyone to despair and espouse a fanatic ideology of any kind.

Once again Ghufran the fact that the regime tortured Omar Aziz to death is a very clear example of its complete bankruptcy, its total depravity, its brutal stupidity and its stupid brutality: they precisely needed someone like him to actually start building back the country. Likewise the imprisonment of Alawi leaders that are asking for compromise and the rule of law is another proof of the utter and complete failure of this regime. Why is Khayer in prison? They need him more than ever for the sake of the country and yet they have stupid mouth pieces and yes boot lickers like Bouthaina and Walid and Kadri Jamil.

Will see what happens. If Putin thinks that the regime is going to win he is delusional. Anyway, there will be a need for at least 200 billion to reconstruct the country. IF the regime wins who will pay? Putin? Iran?

When the opposition wins, and it will for the barrier of fear is broken forever, we will have to reconstruct brick by brick. After all the people of the Levant are the most resourceful on earth for they have to live in the most horrid governance environment on earth.

September 12th, 2013, 7:24 am

 

Alan said:

The European Parliament supported the proposal of the Russian Federation on chemical weapons in Syria
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rg.ru%2F2013%2F09%2F12%2Fep-anons.html&sandbox=1

September 12th, 2013, 7:43 am

 

Syrialover said:

That really was a “wow” article posted by OMEN #1043.

It’s a moving and sobering inside view by a Shiite woman editor of the fear, confusion and desperation of ordinary Shiites in Lebanon, who have been dragged into hell by their “leaders”.

It’s a powerful argument for not isolating them or making their community pay collectively for Hezbollah’s crimes and disasters.

Reading this hits home how radical and transforming it would be for the Middle East to have decent, capable, rational leadership. Where primitive sectarian thugs and guns had no power to control the narrative and fate of ordinary people.

Read it and get a cleaner, clearer perspective.

“The collective suicide of the Shiites” https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/commentaryanalysis/the-collective-suicide-of-the-shiites _

September 12th, 2013, 7:45 am

 

zoo said:

#1035 Syrian

I don’t correct spelling mistake.. That was Hamster’s speciality.

He was fun..I miss him

September 12th, 2013, 7:48 am

 

Alan said:

@ Alexey_Pushkov
Russian initiative, whose purpose –
avoid war, has for Obama and a personal advantage: he will not have to argue with his wife who is against strike on Syria.
* * *
Obama’s peace in the family – that’s a plus not only for Obama but also for the world. We remember the Clinton family, with consequences for Yugoslavia.

September 12th, 2013, 7:52 am

 

zoo said:

Observer

“After all the people of the Levant are the most resourceful on earth ”

Oh sure, they’ve shown these “resources” in the variety and the viciousness of the killing methods.
Lebanon and Syria has shown the worst of human being cruelty to others in the last years. Whatever they do, like Germany, they are tainted for decades, even if they perform a national reconciliation, like in South Africa. Amnesty and polite regrets are never enough.

September 12th, 2013, 7:57 am

 

zoo said:

Until now, the opposition, Saudi, Qatari, Turks are no match to Bashar al Assad’s political smartness

Al-Assad’s crafty moves take a new turn

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/al-assads-crafty-moves-take-a-new-turn.aspx?pageID=449&nID=54280&NewsCatID=416

Syria’s Bashar al-Assad is proving to be a crafty fox. He has even managed to turn the use of chemical weapons by his forces – whether he was aware of this usage or not – to his advantage. All the talk now is of a negotiated diplomatic solution to the issue of chemical weapons in Syria. No one is talking about the broader issue of the civil war and the related human suffering.

Not surprisingly, the Syrian opposition is livid with anger, saying the issue is not merely about chemical weapons but the need to defeat a ruthless dictator who been killing his own citizens. The issue of chemical weapons however has provided the al-Assad regime with a welcome diversion and an opportunity to be accepted as an official interlocutor.

Al-Assad has nothing to loose by accepting the Russian offer to hand over his chemical weapons under international scrutiny. He may have gotten away with it so far, but he knows he can not use these weapons again without some form of international intervention. Even his closest ally, Russian President Vladimir Putin, has said that if it is proved conclusively that the Syrian regime used chemical weapons, Moscow could endorse an international intervention.
He may be a ruthless a dictator who should be hauled in front of the International Criminal Court for his crimes against humanity, but it appears that al-Assad still has some staying and playing power. If things go as they are there is every chance that he will be given an opportunity to absent himself peacefully, while elements of his regime remain a key part of the overall equation in Syria.

All this goes against the grain as far as Turkey is concerned. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu have made no secret of the fact that they want al-Assad to be toppled by force. This could be through an international intervention, or by arming the Syrian opposition with effective weapons against al-Assad’s army. It is clear, however, that neither is going to happen at this stage.

September 12th, 2013, 8:02 am

 

Alan said:

O”BAMA
Your policy in Syria has been a failure. Its conception was a failure. So that makes you responsible for the deaths there, plus our active allies including Israel. Assad is no saint, but you have kissed your Nobel prize away.

Yes, you did well to effect the Iraq pull out and the reduction in Afghanistan. You did even better by holding off the pincer movement that the Israeli Likud crowd, the American Jewish Lobby and the NeoCons pulled on you to use the American military as cannon fodder on another phony threat…Iran. We supported you on that tooth and nail then…but not now. You went ‘rogue’ on us, sir.

We know you are not pushing this Syrian thing for the reasons you state. Your speech writers failed, and so did you. Every time to try to deceive us you lose more and more respect. You take your presidency closer and closer to Bush II, where we will never be able to wash off the stain.

And I can say the same for you and your team. You have dishonored America with your actions in Syria…criminal actions, crimes against humanity. And you have the gall to stand up there tonight and tell us we need to strike Syria to protect our children? That was a disgrace.

You need to shoot your speech writer, or better yet, turn him over to the al-Nursa boys helping you to carry out your policy in Syria. Maybe they will make a video of what they do to him and send it to you, and maybe then you will ‘get it’. You can ignore your responsibility all you want, but you will never escape it. The dead cry out for justice, and they will have theirs on you…eventually.
http://journal-neo.org/2013/09/11/putin-and-congress-checkmate-obama-war-hawks/

September 12th, 2013, 8:07 am

 

Syrialover said:

OBSERVER #1054.

You write a lot of sense, but I always feel there are crucial dimensions missing in your vision for a Syria broken into independent smaller states.

Unfortunately, Iraqi Kurdistan is not a model to uphold. There is growing internal frustration with serious political and economic corruption there, and it’s still a long way from achieving anything worth noting in democracy, security, and economic or social development.

And Kurdistan, in stark contrast to any states that would be formed from a breakup of Syria, has income from oil and a homogenous population.

If it can’t pull together and deliver development in the above areas, what hope would others have?

September 12th, 2013, 8:21 am

 

zoo said:

U.S. Can’t Prove Assad Attack

The Obama administration is confident Assad at least delegated military authority for the chemical-weapons attack that killed over a thousand in August, but anonymous officials tell the Washington Times that they cannot prove he ordered the attack or knew about it in advance.
Intelligence has raised questions about whether Assad is fully in control of Syria’s army and weapons arsenal. Though President Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry, and other officials have asserted there is “no doubt” Assad was behind the attack, they have been careful to refer to “Assad’s regime” or the “Syrian regime” to avoid stating it outright. Outside the administration, analysts with senior-level intelligence clearance say there is real doubt that Assad has command of his chemical weapons.

Read it at The Washington Times

September 12, 2013 7:55 AM

September 12th, 2013, 8:35 am

 

zoo said:

Selim Idriss, whining as usual: “We got nothing”. Who is lying?

Report: CIA delivering light weapons to Syria

Washington — The CIA has been delivering light machine guns and other small arms to Syrian rebels for several weeks, following President Barack Obama’s decision to arm the rebels.

The agency has also arranged for the Syrian opposition to receive anti-tank weaponry like rocket-propelled grenades through a third party, presumably one of the Gulf countries that has been arming the rebels, a senior U.S. intelligence official and two former intelligence officials said Thursday. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the classified program publicly.

The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal first reported the lethal aid.

Top rebel commander Gen. Salim Idris told NPR on Thursday that rebels had received no such aid from the U.S. The CIA declined to comment.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130912/NATION/309120063#ixzz2egJNUjIV

September 12th, 2013, 8:38 am

 

zoo said:

Why care about the “Syrian Revolution” as long as it does not threat Israel? Chemical weapons usage surely would. So instead of working to solve the complicated Syrian civil war, the West prefers to make sure Israel is safe at the price of eventually dumping the opposition and keeping Bashar al Assad in power until the CW issue is solved. 2014? 2015?

Russia’s Syria proposal offers major powers clear advantages

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-syria-assess-20130911,1,182701.story

Even if the proposal bogs down at the U.N., it provides a diplomatic way out of a military strike. Syrian rebels and their supporters, however, stand to lose.

America’s European allies, concerned about chemical attacks in Syria but facing open rebellion from antiwar constituents, were desperate for a diplomatic out.

And the Obama administration was facing the prospect of a defeat in Congress on a question of war and peace, a setback that no American president has suffered in the modern era.

Perhaps the clearest loser from the latest developments are the pro-Western factions of the Syrian rebels, who have worked to bring the United States into a direct military role in the war. They have now received clear evidence of how resistant the American public is to involvement in their conflict, even if the White House appears to be promising to provide some Syrian rebel groups with more powerful weaponry and training.

Also likely to be disappointed are the Saudis, their Persian Gulf allies and the Turks, all of whom oppose Assad and have sought to draw the U.S. and its allies into a larger military role in Syria.

These most vocal supporters of the rebels “are likely to be skeptical about the Russian proposal and discontent at the direction this has taken,” said Brian Katulis, a Middle East and South Asia specialist at Center for American Progress.

Israel also may worry, particularly about what the Syria saga says about potential U.S. military pressure on Iran, a key ally of Assad. The Israeli government is depending on the United States to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. It has been lobbying members of Congress to back Obama’s plan to bombard Syria in the belief that military action would send a strong message to Tehran about U.S. resolve.

Avoiding a military strike would help Obama domestically but carries “an enormous downside” in the message sent to Iran and other adversaries as well as to allies that count on U.S. military support, said David F. Gordon, a former top U.S. intelligence official.

September 12th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

1056. Syrialover said:

That really was a “wow” article posted by OMEN #1043.

It’s a moving and sobering inside view by a Shiite woman editor of the fear, confusion and desperation of ordinary Shiites in Lebanon, who have been dragged into hell by their “leaders”.

…..

Read it and get a cleaner, clearer perspective.

A clearer perspective???? I doubt that. One sided propaganda is more likely. A editor in that media in question is paid to express such views (being against Hizbollah).

NOW Lebanon is owned by Quantum Communications, which is lead by Eli Khoury. Khoury also heads the Lebanon Renaissance Foundation, a non–profit organization, which was established in Washington, DC. The media is financed by “private sector” (would be interesting to know by whom). Now Lebanon’s IP address seems to locate in San Antonio, which certainly is not in Lebanon. It is in Texas USA.

NOW Lebanon’s favourite targets are Hizbollah, Michel Aoun and naturally Assad. NOW Lebanon’s contributors Michael Young, Michael Weiss and Tony Badran are not know for their neutrality in their “analyses”.

Syrialower would you say that the articles of Farid N. Ghadry (also known as Farid al-Ghadry and Frank Ghadry) represent the “moving views and fears” of Syrians. Well Frank is the President of the Reform Party of Syria and has earned his living in USA the past decades by opposing the Syrian government and writing articles to Israeli rightwing media. Ghardy moved from Syria at the age of 8 and to USA at age of 11. Ghardy is even a member of AIPAC. A reformist patriot you know…

September 12th, 2013, 8:54 am

 

zoo said:

In order for the CW neutralization to happen, the West will be obliged to push for a ceasefire, otherwise it will be impossible for the UN inspectors to do their work in the middle of fights.

Therefore, if the USA is convinced by the Russian plan, the USA priority will be a ceasefire and … the Geneva conference to set the stage for the CW disarmement.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey calls for the toppling of Bashar a Assad is hitting a thick wall: for the West, the priority is no more a regime change in Syria, quite the contrary, but the protection of Israel and the neighboring allies from a CW attack
Al Ghuta has been a wake up call: The “CW” are available and could be used anytime against Israel.

On short term, if the US-Russia CW plans works, there will be a gradual emphasis on the Geneva conference and some consolation prize to the opposition like ‘light arms’ and more taps in the back.
It is also quite possible that to derail that and to avenge the humiliation, Bandar Ben Sultan and his team are working on a counter attack in a spectacular event. He is viciously resourceful. But I think the team Russia-Iran-Syria can outsmart that.

” it will be essential for the fighting in Syria to stop to allow inspectors in and to build plants. Negotiating a ceasefire may be more difficult than destroying the weapons.”
http://fpif.org/putin-steal-nobel-kerry/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=putin-steal-nobel-kerry

September 12th, 2013, 9:02 am

 

zoo said:

#1066 Simo

Thanks for debunking NOW Lebanon.

September 12th, 2013, 9:05 am

 

zoo said:

Here we go…

Syrian opposition: New chemical weapons attack in Damascus

Published September 12th, 2013
http://www.albawaba.com/news/chemical-weapons-damascus-jobar-520084

Syrian opposition websites have posted pictures of what they claim is a fresh chemical weapons attack on Damascus, this time on the suburb of Jobar. The alleged attack resulted in casualties, activists told al Arabiya on Thursday.

The claim comes after a purported chemical weapons attack in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta on Aug. 21.

September 12th, 2013, 9:11 am

 

zoo said:

What US threat? the ‘unbelievably small’ military strikes that the Congress was going to flatly reject?

Syria’s Bashar al-Assad says chemical arms handover not a result of US threat: reports

Reuters | Updated: September 12, 2013 18:41 IST

Moscow: Syria’s decision to cede control of its chemical weapons was the result of a Russian proposal, not the threat of US military intervention, Interfax news agency quoted President Bashar al-Assad as saying in a Russian television interview.

“Syria is placing its chemical weapons under international control because of Russia. The US threats did not influence the decision,” Interfax quoted Assad as telling Russia’s state-run Rossiya-24 channel in the interview.

September 12th, 2013, 9:32 am

 

zoo said:

Despite the media’s huff and puff of ‘proofs’ accusing the Syrian government of the responsibility of the CW attack, the EU does not seem to want to spell it out officially .

Syria gas attack: MEPs hide behind UN assessment
By Lénaïc Vaudin d’Imécourt | Thursday 12 September 2013

The European Parliament adopted, on 12 September, a rather weak joint motion for a resolution on the situation in Syria, condemning the recent chemical attacks but failing to identify those responsible. MEPs did not either call for a clear military…

http://www.europolitics.info/external-policies/syria-gas-attack-meps-hide-behind-un-assessment-art354671-44.html

September 12th, 2013, 9:44 am

 

Alan said:

Russia is taking Syria in the system of collective defense.

September 12th, 2013, 10:07 am

 

Observer said:

Zoozoo you are clueless again.

By simply making a living in such horrendous conditions such as the regime in Syria, the corruption of Lebanon, the brutality of Saddam, the medieval practices of KSA and so on and so forth, it proves an incredible resilience and intelligence on the part of the people.

Ghufran why don’t you watch this video and tell me how on earth do you think that there is no utter chaos in Syria now due to the regime fully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQam8H95Cmw

Kurdistan is not my ideal. However, it is a better place to be than in Iraq. Business is booming, prosperity is increasing, it is not all oil. Yes it has a long way to go. But for the Levant, Jeffersonian Democracy and Federated state is what is needed.

My vision for the future is not clear for the task is not easy and hinges on one and one very important idea that has not taken root:

This is the idea of belonging to a national identity. Are we Arabs or Syrians? If we are Arabs is that a concept like being an American that is above and beyond language and culture and therefore inclusive or is it exclusive? If we are Arabs are we Armenian Arabs, Kurdish Arabs, Turkmen Arabs, Alawi Arabs, Sunni Arabs like you have Italian Americans and Irish Americans whereby one is first and foremost an American and then whatever else?

This is the problem in identifying the umbrella under which we are to live together. If on the other hand all indications are that we cannot live together as the family of tribes sects and clans and groups and ethnicities do not trust each other then we have to Federate and to create a free economic zone.

Syria is lost. The house of Athad is no more. The Alawi dominance is daily eroding. The Fuite en Avant is catastrophic and the regime is backed into a corner. In this round, the comment by Kerry saved both Russia and the US together. It is no coincidence that Lauhvrov picked on it. It saves them from being humiliated again and it gives a slim hope of a compromise. The reality is that the regime and its alliances are finished.

I wrote my two senators and my congressman and the white house and expressed my sentiments about this issue and the mess we are in.

Will see what happens.

I am terribly sorry that Hamster is out as well as anyone else for that matter.

Free speech on SC. Let them say what they want.

Moderator move on to the new freedom of speech. Please do not be a Putin.

September 12th, 2013, 10:12 am

 

Alan said:

“War is God’s way of teaching Americans geography.” !!!!

U.S. threatens attacks! Russia save the world! This “division of labor”. The war against Syria cause rejection of the world, even began.

September 12th, 2013, 10:14 am

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Assad promises to deliver Chemical Arsenal to the UN.

First of all I wonder who knows how many chemical heads has Assad. Anybody knows? Maybe only Assad knows. If nobody knows then how can anyone me sure about chemical weapons having been delivered ?

This is ridiculous. This is an imposible sollution.

Secondly I wonder which kind of ¨punishment¨is this ? He used CW and will be rewarded with an american retreat that turns Assad into a regional héroe.

Assad will deliver part of his chemical weapons and will keep the best weapons for the case of a rebel attack on Damascus.

Now things are clearer and clearer, Israel, US and Russia all want Assad to remain in power. Russia giving weapons to Assad and US giving time.

September 12th, 2013, 10:47 am

 

Rancher said:

1051. Tara said:

“Putin’s op-ed piece in the New York Times warning against US militarism sticks in the craw of former world chess champion turned political activist Garry Kasparov.”

That’s because while Putin’s playing chess Obama’s playing checkers.

September 12th, 2013, 10:48 am

 

zoo said:

Observer

I am clueless?

“The reality is that the regime and its alliances are finished.”

I regret to say that the regime and its alliances are alive and kicking. The proof is that after 3 years, the coalition of the EU, the USA and the GCC have failed to do more than killing Syrians and destroying the country when they wanted to isolate and topple the regime.
Clueless, they are.
As you are in a typical expat’s identity crisis, you are also clueless about what Syrians are and really want.
Solve your problem then talk.

September 12th, 2013, 11:22 am

 
 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our very well informed and very reliable sources always work hard around the clock and always from behind the scenes in order to make the news available to you before it becomes news. Today, they made this very very important heads up to us which we immediately release to your attention.

Today’s heads up concerns the behaviour of the Serpent-head, a.k.a. Ass-head-supreme B. Assad, and its reptilian associates to the far north and to the east of its current sewered-bunker. As you have been made aware under a previous heads up, this behaviour is best summarized as a continuous cycle, each of which consisting of three sequential and well predictable phases: snake-head protrusion, chemo-poison release, and cowardly retreat to deep-holed sewered-bunker awaiting the onset of the next cycle, on and on and on…

Our very accomplished benefactors recently made a very acute observation regarding the recent behaviour of Serpent-head and Associates Inc. which we found worthy of serious study and dissection since it falls exactly into its well defined and well predicted cyclical behaviour. They told us that Serpent and co. seem to have all of a sudden abandoned their most cherished slogans of all, the so-called resistance and reluctance (i.e. against imperialist America and its Zionist tails) as soon as the American and Willing Allies issued their threats of impending doom and gloom of operation Serpent-head Destruct. Common sense, i.e. non-serpentine common sense, would dictate that in the face of perceived aggression from imperialists, the slogan must be made more and more visible as a rallying cry for the faithful.

However, this is not how it works normally in Serpentine circles. Serpentine common sense dictates the initiation of retreat to deep-hole hide-out.

Our benefactors also observed that today the Serpent protruded its head slightly demanding that such imperialist threats must cease or else the Serpent will not surrender its stockpile of chemo-poison. We believe that Serpent-head is eager to initiate the next phase of the cycle which would be, as you may have guessed, full head protrusion followed of course by the third phase, chemo-poison release. However, our benefactors believe that, due to the persisting threat from the imperialists, Serpent-head finds the time is not yet opportune for the completion of the full cycle.

September 12th, 2013, 12:50 pm

 

O dia em que Putin deu um nó em Obama | Reaçonaria said:

[…] os jihadistas e o eventual cenário pós-ataque. Adoraria saber o que ele pensa sobre o ataque a Ma’aloula. Fiquei curioso também para saber a respeito de uma punição a Assad. Ora, se para Obama ele usou […]

September 12th, 2013, 1:04 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

US newspapers need to publish Putin editorials to avoid their international responsabilities. Really sad world. Obama you are really sxxxing the arab people´s will for freedom, dignity and prosperity.

September 12th, 2013, 1:39 pm

 
 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

George Galloway is a drug addict in trouble and always in the wrong side. I met him personally in Beirut. Someone may say I should probe my accusations. Right, he should probe theirs too.

Al Qaeda is an illusion.

Nothing else to say.

September 12th, 2013, 2:35 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

Just coming back from 3 months in Syria neighbouring countries I must say that Al Qaeda does not exists. All syrian inside and outside Syria report that fighters in the FSA are 100 % syrians. So it would be very interesting to know where Russia brought those jihadists from. Maybe from Chechnia in another cov-up operation with Assads conections? They are getting their purpose of spreading the idea around the world that the syrian revolution is Al Qaeda while syrians inside report 100 % syrian fighters. This has been happening probably with the acceptance of US and Israel.

September 12th, 2013, 2:42 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Bashar al-Assad with Charlie Rose, on the subject of chemical weapons:

So we — we’re not sure that if there’s chemical weapon used and who used it. We cannot talk about virtual thing. We have to talk about facts.

As quoted by Interfax and CNN from an interview on Rossiya 24:

Syria will accept it [CW containment] if America stops military threats and if other countries supplying the rebels with chemical weapons also abide by the agreement.

When we see that the United States really wants stability in our region, and will stop threatening and striving to attack, and will stop proving weapons to the terrorists, then we will consider that we can carry out these necessary processes to the end. And they (the processes) will put into effect by Syria.

[…]

After that, the convention will go into effect and, in my opinion, the agreement will begin to apply within one month of signing it. And Syria will begin to give international organizations data about the stores of chemical weapons. This is a standard process which is expected and we will abide by it,

Details, details. CNN reports Lavrov’s three steps:

— Syria joins the Chemical Weapons Convention

— Syria reveals where its chemical weapons are stored and gives details of its programme

— Experts decide on the specific measures to be taken

Time’s reporters seem to have a contact in Syrian government circles:

Syria’s Assad May Be Losing Control Over His Deadly Militias

As the threat of an imminent U.S. attack on Syria dims, supporters and officials in the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad are quietly worrying about another potential crisis, one that hits even closer to home. Speculation in Damascus that the chemical-weapons attack against the rebel-held suburbs of Damascus on Aug. 21 may have been initiated by rogue elements within the Syrian armed forces raises fears about Assad’s overall grip on the forces fighting under him. One regime official tells TIME that what bothers him most about the long-term prognosis for Syrian stability is not the collapse of the regime, but the rise of Assad’s militias, commonly referred to as shabiha.

Says the official: “After this crisis, there will be a 1,000 more crises — the militia leaders. Two years ago they went from nobody to somebody with guns and power. How can we tell these shabiha to go back to being a nobody again?

From Syria Deeply, in Homs, fear and loathing:

SD: What was the biggest difference you saw on this trip?

LF: The level of sectarian discourse increases each time I go in. In many respects, the threat of U.S. intervention has made it even worse. Among Alawites I spoke to, there’s a sense of “they’re attacking us,” and not that this is just an attack against the government. They see this as helping opposition fighters who have perpetrated human-rights abuses against them.

Meanwhile …

Elsewhere, air force jets bombed one of the main hospitals serving rebel-held territory in the north, according to activists and video footage.

Eleven civilians, including two doctors, were killed in the strike against the hospital on Wednesday in the town of al-Bab, 30km northeast of Aleppo city, the opposition Aleppo Media Centre said on Thursday.

September 12th, 2013, 2:43 pm

 

Alan said:

Bandar ibn Israel, a terror Frankenstein, is now throwing funding, weapons and training at the extremist version of Islamist militants inside Syria.
http://youtu.be/_dykdp7c1N0?t=1m

September 12th, 2013, 2:43 pm

 

Alan said:

A People’s Victory Over Syrian Attack Plan
In Historic First, American Empire is Blocked at the Starting Line

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/12/in-historic-first-american-empire-is-blocked-at-the-starting-line/

September 12th, 2013, 2:56 pm

 

Alan said:

CIA starts arming Syrian rebels overtly
http://rt.com/usa/us-weapons-syrian-rebels-745/
In the past two weeks the US has reportedly begun delivering arms to militants fighting the Syrian government. Washington expects the CIA to monitor the delivery so that the aid does not end up in the hands of Al-Qaeda associates.

According to the Washington Post report, after months of promises to provide aid to Syrian rebels in an ‘official’ manner, Washington has finally sanctioned open delivery of arms and munitions to anti-Assad forces – despite fears that some of the weapons could end up in the hands of Islamic fundamentalists.

Already back in April the US Secretary of State John Kerry promised that official ‘nonlethal’ aid would start flowing “in a matter of weeks.”

In May the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations had passed a bill that would allow, if signed, the Obama administration to supply arms to Syrian opposition. However, in reality it took months before the Obama administration made up its mind.

The biggest hindrance for Washington to aid Syrian rebels has always been the ever growing presence of Al-Qaeda jihadists among rebel ranks.

In the end the decision was made at a time when President Barack Obama was considering missile strikes on sovereign Syrian state pursuing the aim of ousting President Bashar Assad.

So far there has been no official comment from the CIA……….

September 12th, 2013, 3:03 pm

 

Rancher said:

Assad: “When we see the United States really wants stability in our region and stops threatening, striving to attack, and also ceases arms deliveries to terrorists, then we will believe that the necessary processes can be finalized.”

So now the goal post has been moved. He’ll start handing over his chemical weapons when the U.S. stops arming Syria’s rebels. Next he will require Turkey and the Saudis to halt their support. I don’t think those weapons will ever be turned over.

September 12th, 2013, 3:04 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

ALAN,

Syrian rebels and allies have still something else to say. Do not panic !!!

September 12th, 2013, 3:05 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

After imposing more conditions Assad smells as a death piece of flesh. End him soon please… Every day we delay the end of House of Assads we could save 50 innocent lives.

September 12th, 2013, 3:08 pm

 

omen said:

is there a wide scale massacre going on? twitter got shut down.

or could the russians not bear the ridicule over their charade?

September 12th, 2013, 3:40 pm

 

omen said:

1089. Alan said: CIA starts arming Syrian rebels overtly

• the cia doesn’t announce their actions.

• until rebels confirm they’ve gotten weapons, this is propaganda.

September 12th, 2013, 3:45 pm

 

Alan said:

“President Barack Obama reportedly told Republicans senators last week that a rebel unit trained by the CIA in Jordan was en route to the battlefield…”

The CIA in Syria has botched this, like they did at the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba (April 15, 1961)!

September 12th, 2013, 4:06 pm

 

Alan said:

‘Legally speaking’ Syria is now a full member of the anti-chemical weapons treaty – UN envoy
http://rt.com/news/syria-chemical-weapons-treaty-792/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

September 12th, 2013, 4:10 pm

 

omen said:

1095. Alan said: “President Barack Obama reportedly told Republicans senators last week that a rebel unit trained by the CIA in Jordan was en route to the battlefield…”

this rebel unit was confirmed by activists on the ground, so i concur. but it’s such a small force. less than 200 if memory serves. insufficient for the task at hand. after two long years plus, obama had more than ample time to put effective policy into place. such inadequacy is a disgrace.

upon second thought, i wouldn’t be surprise if this unit was sent in to target ISIS.

The CIA in Syria has botched this, like they did at the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba (April 15, 1961)!

please. if obama had any intention of regime change, assad would be gone already. see bin laden.

obama has done more to ensure the regime remains in place. cia has blocked heavy arms (mandpads) from entering country. he said no to the turkish proposal to put up a no fly zone. he went around gulf states pressuring countries not to intervene. a while back, the leader of qatar complained the US was only allowing rebels small arms like ak-47s which would only prolong the war, not help turn the tide in opposition favor.

September 12th, 2013, 4:23 pm

 

Alan said:

Intelligence agencies state nearly 300 French mercenaries are in Syria.They join the many other nationalities already there.”Revolution”eh?
http://youtu.be/pbNW9q9wzB8?t=23s
http://youtu.be/FdF6aSnxhDs?t=3m34s

September 12th, 2013, 4:26 pm

 

Alan said:

/see bin laden /
HaHa ! bin laden ! Americans feel ashamed of their rulers when they talk about the deceptions about Bin Laden! where to put it? thrown into the sea? it’s not funny show!

September 12th, 2013, 4:34 pm

 

Alan said:

5 FSA affiliated fighters killed in clashes with YPG today in predominately Kurdish districts of Aleppo.

September 12th, 2013, 4:37 pm

 

omen said:

1099. Alan said: /see bin laden /
HaHa ! bin laden ! Americans feel ashamed of their rulers when they talk about the deceptions about Bin Laden! where to put it? thrown into the sea? it’s not funny show!

1095. Alan said: The CIA in Syria has botched this, like they did at the Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba (April 15, 1961)!

ok. i’ll play along. the US are mega bumblers. even their one trophy success was a media show con job. (i don’t know if this true of bin laden but certainly true of jessica lynch.)

if the US cant do anything right, then what are you worried about?

September 12th, 2013, 4:50 pm

 

omen said:

1098. Alan said: Intelligence agencies state nearly 300 French mercenaries are in Syria.They join the many other nationalities already there. ”Revolution”eh?

what are 300 french mercs going to do? redecorate? syrian fsa are over 100,000.

how many iranian & hezbollah fighters did the regime import? assad had to bring in foreign fighters because rebels are killing so many regime soldiers.

i wonder how many saa defected.

September 12th, 2013, 4:58 pm

 

Tara said:

I think he likes to watch himself on TV. Can someone advise him to shut up?   He keeps embarrassing himself.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/12/bashar-al-assad-syria-chemical-weapons

Bashar al-Assad: Syria will give up control of chemical weapons
Syrian president says move has been prompted by Russian diplomatic efforts, not US threats

September 12th, 2013, 6:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Even Mr. Carney is asking him to shut up… “Assad is not in a position to set conditions”. Nice and politer slap on the face from Mr. Carney”

• Assad said he would only join negotiations “when we see the United States really wants stability in our region and stops threatening, striving to attack, and also ceases arms deliveries to terrorists.” Carney said Assad is not in a position to set conditions.

September 12th, 2013, 6:26 pm

 

Syrian said:

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http://www.alquds.co.uk/?p=83693

September 12th, 2013, 6:54 pm

 

Syrian said:

Is The mafia regime sending and hiding CW with HA in Lebanon
The very reliable Hadi Alabdelah have witnesses a big army convey that came from the Syrian coast to Lebanon through Alqusiar region.
Lebanese better watch out , the resistance axis use these CW only against local opposing population
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11 hours ago
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September 12th, 2013, 7:13 pm

 
 

Ghufran said:

I know that some of you want the story of Elizabeth O’bagy to die but it won’t, it is now a hot topic in USA media:

The Syria researcher whose Wall Street Journal op-ed piece was cited by Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain during congressional hearings about the use of force has been fired from the Institute for the Study of War for lying about having a Ph.D., the group announced on Wednesday.
“The Institute for the Study of War has learned and confirmed that, contrary to her representations, Ms. Elizabeth O’Bagy does not in fact have a Ph.D. degree from Georgetown University,” the institute said in a statement. “ISW has accordingly terminated Ms. O’Bagy’s employment, effective immediately.”

The article does not mention the fact that O’bagy was a paid lobbyist.
In plain English, Liz is a little more than a Tiz today.
Make sure that your local media outlets and Congress rep know about this scandal.
I have no problem with people speaking the truth about the regime or the rebels but the truth loses its power when the story teller is a liar.

September 12th, 2013, 8:09 pm

 

Tara said:

Just like Sharmine Narwani misrepresented her credentials?

In any case, no one even read Sharmine.

September 12th, 2013, 8:16 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The death of one child by CWs is ethically as bad as the death of 1400 but when there the US SOS said it was 1400 and the French said they confirmed, by video, that it was 200-300 and SOHR supports the French claim, people have the right to be suspicious of the motive behind inflating an already terrible tragedy:

Three congressional sources told Reuters that administration officials had indicated in private that some deaths might have been caused by the conventional bombing that followed the release of sarin gas in suburban Damascus neighborhoods. This disclosure undermined support for President Barack Obama’s plan to strike Syria, they said.

Idris officially rejected the US- Russia agreement and told NPR that he yet have to see any weapons from the US and insisted that bombing Syria is the only solution. Idris did not tell us how his FSA plans to restore peace and order if the regime collapses, he also did not say how his troops will solve the serious problem of jihadists and why he allowed his soldiers to participate with Nusra in their attack on Maloula which failed to control that town but managed to increase opposition to rebels among Christians in Syria and around the world. I said that before but it is obvious that Assad did not survive this long just because of Iranian and Russian support, assad’s enemies, the ones with weapons, were part of assad’s ability to survive.

( Tara, you are right, Kerry and McCain did not use narwani as a trusted source)

September 12th, 2013, 8:41 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara
Jon Stewart is great, and always get it right, the Fox news guys remind of some of the supporters shallow and stupid arguments, while Pelosi the ultimate example of the hypocrite politicians that the Americans call them correctly the bums.

September 12th, 2013, 8:44 pm

 

Tara said:

Ghufran,

Yes. Correct! Far from a trusted source. The consensus she was a lap dancer for the regime.

September 12th, 2013, 8:56 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria Chemical Weapons Death Toll Cited By Obama Administration May Be Inflated

Reuters | Posted: 09/12/2013 7:28 pm EDT

….
The United States first cited the 1,429 death toll in a four-page document released by the White House, calling it a “preliminary assessment.” Administration officials said that estimate was based on intelligence analysis and never meant to be fixed in stone. Moreover, they expect the ultimate toll will be higher.

In recent days, the administration has avoided the precise figures of the early days.

On Sept. 9, White House National Security Advisor Susan Rice also rounded down the figures, saying that “more than 1400” were killed, including “more than 400 children.”

In his speech to the nation on Tuesday night, Obama said that Assad’s forces had “gassed to death over 1,000 people, including hundreds of children.”

A White House official called it a “stylistic thing”. “It’s accurate and not meant to signal any walking away from the assessment’s figure,” the person said.
Paul Pillar, formerly the top Middle East expert for U.S. intelligence, told Reuters the United States should have rounded the figures from the start.

“The administration did not help its case by providing a number that misleadingly implied a degree of precision that would be nearly impossible to achieve amid a civil war,” he said.

September 12th, 2013, 9:47 pm

 

zoo said:

Bashar al Assad put his conditions that the USA may hesitate refusing, as it is what the American people overwhelmingy want .

Syrian demand that U.S. stop arming rebels threatens diplomatic efforts
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/09/12/syrian_demand_that_us_stop_arming_rebels_threatens_diplomatic_efforts.html

“When we see that the U.S. genuinely stands for stability in our region, stops threatening us with military intervention and stops supplying terrorists with weapons, then we will consider it possible to finalize all necessary procedures and they will become legitimate and acceptable for Syria,” Assad told RIA News.

The move suggested Assad, emboldened by the fading threat of punitive U.S. strikes, now may be bargaining not merely for his government’s survival, but for outright victory against the rebels in exchange for Syria’s chemical compliance.

In Washington, White House officials struggled to reconcile a two-track strategy, now believed to include the flow of arms to select rebel factions while simultaneously working to persuade Assad to surrender his deadliest and least conventional weapons.

“We cannot detail every single type of support that we are providing to the opposition or discuss timelines for delivery,” said White House spokesman Jay Carney.
….

September 12th, 2013, 9:54 pm

 

zoo said:

Saudi Arabia furious ‘diplomacy’ . What can stop them?

Syrian Rebels Say Saudi Arabia Is Stepping Up Weapons Deliveries

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/13/world/middleeast/syrian-rebels-say-saudi-arabia-is-stepping-up-weapons-deliveries.html

BEIRUT, Lebanon — Saudi Arabia, quietly cooperating with American and British intelligence and other Arab governments, has modestly increased deliveries of weapons to rebels fighting in southern Syria, the rebels say.

September 12th, 2013, 9:57 pm

 

zoo said:

“The conflict is likely to continue for a long time; it cannot be resolved by diplomatic efforts, nor in a decisive battle,” he said. And “if it continues without change or significant intervention, Assad is absolutely likely to win the war.”

Syria’s secular rebels caught between Assad and the Islamists
One of the reasons for Obama’s swerve away from intervention is the sorry state of the opposition, increasingly infiltrated by jihadi extremists
http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrias-secular-rebels-caught-between-assad-and-the-islamists/

The rebels are losing “because they are divided among themselves. They are scattered over too large an area. They do not have a unified military force or unified aims and demands. They have no central military command structure or significant political leadership,” Syria expert Professor Eyal Zisser, dean of the Faculty of Humanities at Tel Aviv University, said at a conference this week held by the International Policy Institute For Counter Terrorism at the Interdisciplinary Center at Herzilya.

“What’s more, they’re affected by radicalism and Islamification. Many Syrian citizens are secular and have no interest in taking part in terrorist actions or Islamification, so that even Syrians who had supported the rebels have reached the conclusion that they are better off sticking with Bashar Assad’s regime. This is not a case of success for the Syrian regime, but mainly of failure by the rebel forces.”

Zisser’s prediction as regards Syria’s future was deeply ominous: “The conflict is likely to continue for a long time; it cannot be resolved by diplomatic efforts, nor in a decisive battle,” he said. And “if it continues without change or significant intervention, Assad is absolutely likely to win the war.”

September 12th, 2013, 10:02 pm

 

zoo said:

U.S. reversal on strikes a blow to Gulf allies

RIYADH/DOHA: Washington’s last-minute decision to call off military strikes against Syria deals a blow to Saudi Arabia and Qatar, but the states that arm rebels battling President Bashar Assad will not soon give up on a war that has already cost them billions.

With Assad now looking unlikely to crumble soon and the West showing no desire to bomb him from power, the Gulf princes face few options beyond continuing to fund one side in a perpetual military stalemate that has already killed 100,000 people.

“If the U.S. doesn’t launch an attack there’s really no plan B drawn up yet by the GCC states,” said an Arab diplomat, referring to the Gulf Cooperation Council of six rich Arab countries. “What I’m telling you is simple: They have no plan.”

The Sunni Arab monarchs see defeating Assad as fundamental in their confrontation with the Syrian leader’s main regional patron, Shiite Iran.

Since 2011, Western leaders appeared to be on the same page, repeatedly demanding Assad be removed from power and insisting that no solution was possible unless he goes.

But the West’s latest diplomatic efforts have been focused on dismantling Assad’s chemical weapons stockpiles, not on removing him from power, leaving the Arab states alone.

Gulf watchers say Qatar, which began arming rebel units last year, and Saudi Arabia, which stepped in as the main supplier this year, will keep the weapons coming.

“There is no way that Qatar will let go of their support for Syria now. This is a very personal issue for Qatar as they feel a close connection with Syria,” said a source close to the government in Doha.

Abdul-Aziz al-Sager, head of the Gulf Research Center in Jeddah, said the same was true of the Saudis.

“I would not be surprised to see much more open Saudi support for the rebels,” he said, adding that the situation argued for closer coordination between Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey, another ally of the rebels.

The problem is: No matter how much they spend, it no longer seems possible for the Gulf rulers to purchase victory.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-13/231111-us-reversal-on-strikes-a-blow-to-gulf-allies.ashx#ixzz2ejbMyKdW
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

September 12th, 2013, 10:09 pm

 

Syrian said:

Ghuran
The fact the regime shelled the areas where the chemical attacks happened. Therefore the victims of the chemical attacks could not count the exact numbers of the victims and separate those who died with CW from those who did not, is an issues with you,but the non chemical attack on the victims itself while they where dying of the chemical attack, that may have raised the counts did not raise an issue with you,?
And now where that tragedy has been used to the benefit of every one except those victims, you are still coming back with the stuff about this witness credibility,the motive of this and that,to make an idle point?
How about Bashar “victory” any thoughts about that from you at all,
Then you knew exactly what Tara meant by her valid comment, that also the regime has his own o’bagy, but still you would not admit to that very valid point but to went back to the very side issue of yours.
So O’bagy lied about her degree, and you caught her red handed, good for you, you can sleep well now, have a nice dream.

September 12th, 2013, 10:13 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria crisis: Russia chemicals plan doable, says US

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24063711

Russia’s plan to dismantle Syria’s chemical arsenal is “doable but difficult”, according to US officials.

The Russian and US foreign ministers are due to hold talks in Geneva over the plan, which involves Syria handing its stockpile to foreign observers.

September 12th, 2013, 10:14 pm

 

zoo said:

Excellent move in Egypt to control the “wild” imams. Of course the Salafists condemn the move

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/81436/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-Nour-Party-condemns-restrictions-on-mosques.aspx

On Sunday, Minister of Religious Endowments Mohamed Goma said the ministry would limit prayers to mosques controlled by the ministry, allow only Al-Azhar-qualified imams to preach in mosques, shut down small mosques that are often led by independent imams, and ban donations from inside mosques that “go to those who do not fear God.”

The move would promote tolerance and moderate Islamic values, Goma claimed.

September 12th, 2013, 10:22 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s one to make ALAN feel even more confused about the benefit of Assad’s pointless empty threats against Israel.

Israel is about to become very rich from new gas developments.

(Though the story linked below fails to mention how Israel is elbowing aside Lebanon and Cyprus to secure the offshore discoveries.)

If it was a country with a different culture and mindset, and without sinister, stupid aggressors like Assad and Hezbollah on its doorstep, Israel’s economic windfall could be of benefit also to Palestinians and its neighbors in terms of regional employment and investment.

But I don’t think we can hope for that, with Israelis talking about the $300 billion being “used to safeguard the country’s descendants”.

They don’t seem interested in the notion that peace and economic and political development in the region would be a surer way for Israel to survive and thrive.

The only positive to come out of this might be less demands on the USA for funds.

But somehow I suspect that no matter how much the Israelis get from their gas earnings it’s never going to be enough in their eyes, and they are still going to cry poor and pressure the US to keep up the $$$ military aid.

“Israel’s plentiful fuel reserves reshape Mideast dynamics”

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/business/Israels+plentiful+reserves+reshape+Mideast+dynamics/8851554/story.html

September 13th, 2013, 1:42 am

 

alan said:

1121 Syria Hater
Alan’s nothing to do with this news, not related!

September 13th, 2013, 2:48 am

 

Alan said:

Israel’s Lobbyists Pushing Hard for another War in the Middle East

Who wants this war: who could want it? Who could even think of avenging the dead by calling for more killing?

It is not the people of the world. All polls show they are against it. Not just the people of Latin America, Africa, the Indian subcontinent, southeast Asia and China but the American people, the British people, the French people and the Turkish people.

It is only the politicians who want this war.
Many of the names will be familiar from the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and plans laid long ago for a series of wars in the Middle East: Elliott Abrams, Fouad Ajami, Gary Bauer, Max Boot, Ellen Bork, Eliot A. Cohen, Paula Dobriansky, Thomas Donnelly, Douglas Feith, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Robert Kagan, William Kristol, Bernard-Henri Levy, Michael Makovsky, Joshua Muravchik, Martin Peretz, Karl Rove, Randy Scheunemann, Leon Wieseltier and Radwan Ziadeh.

AIPAC and the Jewish organizations piled the pressure on Congress and the White House.
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/09/kristol-is-president-obama-going-wobbly-on-syria/

September 13th, 2013, 3:37 am

 

apple_mini said:

As you can draw conclusion from watching gangster movies, the whole bag of goons works together like a chime.

A faked researcher wrote a report full of lies and misleading conclusions. Then her boss willingly published the junk. Not to disgust the audiences, but particularly to provide reference to US administration as cherry-picking material. Finally, we have top US officials full of self-appointed righteous status to denounce moral obscenity committed by the chosen dictator.

There is nothing innocent in the whole scheme. And it won’t stop here on Syria.

Situation in Syria is somehow not deteriorating. Might be a chance to travel.

September 13th, 2013, 5:31 am

 

Uzair8 said:

Syria: What Next as US Military Threat Recedes

11 Sep, 2013

Abdel Bari Atwan

[…]

Several observations can be made about the proposed deal for Syria:

1 – If Assad agrees to the offer, it will be a recognition that he does indeed possess chemical weapons and, by implication, that he authorized their use in the August 21st attacks on Damascus suburbs.

[…]

September 13th, 2013, 7:34 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Israel is about to become very rich from new gas developments.

Syrialover,

Yes. As Jews prepare for Yom Kippur (The holy Day of Atonement), we have to count our blessings. One of them, thankfully, is the wise decision by President Bashar Assad for keeping his “Resistance” ideology on his side of the border. If he mistakenly decided to apply “Resistance” against Israel, a lot of Jews and Israelis would die as well as his Baathist “resistance fighters”, who have proven over the past 2.5 years, that “resistance” is not only measured in ohms, but also measured by how many innocent arab people you kill.

If it was a country with a different culture and mindset, and without sinister, stupid aggressors like Assad and Hezbollah on its doorstep, Israel’s economic windfall could be of benefit also to Palestinians and its neighbors in terms of regional employment and investment.

Syrialover,

Your words are the smartest I’ve seen written here in a long time.

You’ve stated the obvious, and I will pray this weekend that this scenario actually becomes reality very soon.

It is in everyone’s interest, to send Bashar Assad and his Baathist Bullies packing.

Sincerely,

AP

September 13th, 2013, 8:07 am

 

zoo said:

These are the two choices USA is facing

1) Ensure the elimination of the chemical weapons threatening Israel and the region through a formal agreement with the Syrian government thus accepting and keeping Bashar Al Assad as a legitimate partner until it is done. This implies ignoring the opposition’s insisting conditions that he be toppled and a new push to force the opposition to the Geneva II peace conference.

2) Perform a military attack to weaken the Syrian Army so as to “re-balance’ and help militarily the opposition toppling Bashar al Assad while allowing the chemical weapons to still threaten the region. It has been widely recognized that destroying the chemical weapons stockpile militarily without boots on the ground is practically impossible.

The choice seems to me very clear. The opposition has shown it is certainly not a reliable USA ally. Its association with the Moslem Brotherhood and Al Qaeda and its total dependence on Saudi Arabia whose agenda is not democratic makes them very suspicious.
Therefore the USA would rather sacrifice them to the much more important task of preventing the usage of CW against its real allies ( Israel and Jordan).

Military action not the best option on Syria, says White House

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/military-action-not-the-best-option-on-syria-says-white-house-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=54373&NewsCatID=359

Military action is not the best the option to prevent Syria’s government from deploying chemical weapons, White House Deputy spokesperson Marie Harf said Sept. 12 during a press conference.

“The first is that the best thing for regional security long-term is not just to take military action to deter [President Bashar] al-Assad from using these weapons, but actually to destroy them, which is what would be best for regional security so they actually can’t be used in the future,” Harf told reporters

September 13th, 2013, 8:35 am

 

zoo said:

Helicopters and tanks involved in heavy Syria fighting
Last updated Thu 12 Sep 2013

The Christian town of Maaloula is the scene of heavy fighting between rebels and pro-Assad troops.

We’re in the town today where there are tanks and helicopters.

The fighting is near the main square, rebel snipers are close, they’ve been pounded by tanks, helicopters attack and there is heavy fire but they hit back.

September 13th, 2013, 8:44 am

 

Observer said:

I do not always agree with him but his comment today is reproduced in full

Arguing with President Putin

Posted on 09/13/2013 by Juan Cole
Russian President Vladimir Putin published an opinion piece in the New York Times on Wednesday. Here is my attempt at refutation of some of the things he said.

Putin begins by emphasizing that the US in the period after 1945 acquiesced in the idea that the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council would have a veto. He then goes on to criticize President Obama’s consideration of unilateral US military action against Syria, as the sort of thing that might break the organization.

But is it equally true that Russian refusal to allow an explicit UN Security Council resolution condemning Syria for using heavy military weapons against civilian non-combatants (which is how the protests were turned into a civil war) poses dangers to the credibility of the United Nations.

Putin is correct that a US missile attack on Syria could have unpredictable effects.

He then says that there are few champions of democracy in Syria, depicting the struggle as one between the ‘government’ and al-Qaeda extremists. He does not characterize the ‘government’ but surely it should have been termed a one-party dictatorship with a brutal and vicious secret police. Given that Putin sided with Boris Yeltsin against the Communists in the early 1990s, you would think he’d be a little more sympathetic to Syrians desiring the end of their own police state. The ways in which Putin himself has cracked down on press freedom and moved away from democracy make one suspicious about his inability to see Syrian democrats. He doesn’t seem able to see Russian ones either.

Putin is wrong that there are no democrats involved in the struggle. Most Syrian oppositionists support a move of the country to free and fair parliamentary elections. It is true that Jabhat al-Nusra and a few other extremist organizations favor Muslim theocratic dictatorship, and they have had the big victories on the battlefield. But that doesn’t make them representative of the opposition. They just have more battle experience (many fought US troops in Iraq). By erasing the democratic opposition, Putin has done away with perhaps a majority of Syrians, and made it easy for his readers to side with a brutal secular government against a brutal set of al-Qaeda affiliates. It is a false choice.

It wasn’t the ‘extremists’ who moved to Mali after the fall of Gaddafi in Libya. It was Gaddafi’s Tuareg mercenaries. Gaddafi’s cultivation of armed mercenaries from northern Mali rather resembles the al-Assad regime’s deployment of ‘Ghost Brigades’ (Shabiha), Alawite paramilitaries, who could end up having to flee to Lebanon or Iraq where they might become a source of disorder.

Putin is right that Russia has urged negotiation on the parties, but elides the ways in which it has configured the negotiating process to favor the survival of the regime and of brutal dictator Bashar al-Assad.

The Russian President damages his credibility by continuing to retail the crackpot conspiracy theory that the rebels gassed their own supporters and relatives in Ghuta east of Damascus in a false flag attack designed to embarrass the regime.

Putin is correct that US military intervention in Iraq did not go well. But as for Afghanistan, it was the Soviet invasion and occupation of that country that destabilized it in the first place. Putin’s old organization, the KGB, was hardly blameless in such actions.

Russia’s initiative to avoid a US military action by sequestering Syria’s toxic gas stockpiles is admirable if Moscow follows through on it and ensures that the regime does not again deploy these weapons against its own citizens.

And, Putin’s rebuke of President Obama for using the language of American exceptionalism is just. But the Russian president seems too quick to forget Russia’s own episodes of exceptionalism in modern history, from the Tsarist empire in Muslim Central Asia to Stalinism and the invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia to stop ‘revanchism’. Indeed, Putin’s own strong support for the vile Baath regime in Syria is itself a kind of exceptionalism, an announcement that Russia’s strategic interests trump human rights concerns and efforts at democratization. The opposite of exceptionalism is not, as he suggests, the equality of nations. It is the humility of nations, something Russia can take as many lessons on as the US.

September 13th, 2013, 8:47 am

 

zoo said:

Is the media announcement that the CIA is delivering weapons to the rebels just an US propaganda to calm the furor of the FSA and KSA over the cancellation of the military attack on which they had built very high hopes?

Or is it real and a direct response to Bashar al Assad who has asked that the USA stops arming the rebels as a condition for pursuing the CW deal?

Idriss said he got nothing…

September 13th, 2013, 8:54 am

 

Observer said:

Yes zoozoo you are clueless. You have no idea how hard life is in Syria and in many parts of the ME.

But it is not worth my time arguing. 100% of the posts are circular arguments and snippets of partial news aimed at arriving at one conclusion: the regime is great and everything else is evil.

This is why we read that there is an alliance between Al Qaeda and the CIA and Mossad against the rethithtanthe

Well the rethithtanthe agreed to give up its strategic weapons against the nuclear threat of the Zionist entity.

Today brigade 66 in Hama fell to the rebels, and another tank brigade fell to the rebels in Deraa.

Here are some news: one of my friends was stopped at a checkpoint, taken into custody under the terrorism court jurisdiction. He happened to be a merchant and he stayed in prison for a month until the judicial vacation was over. When the case was reviewed the judge agreed that there was no case against him but he wanted 5 million pounds to release him as a bribe.

I know that from talking to his father that is trying to raise the money. This is the kind of mafia state that we are in and lends credence to Bill’s news that the regime is losing control over its militia.

Will see what happens.

There is no such thing as Syrian or Lebanese or Iraqi identity. There are tribes and clans and mafias and warlords in charge.

Break up the place. Divide the region into 1000 small entities and even city states for God’s sake. No one can live with each other in this garbage dump.

September 13th, 2013, 8:56 am

 

zoo said:

Poor Selim Idriss.. who is the only one who’ll take him seriously? Bulldozer Christiane Amanpoor

(CNN) — The head of the opposition Free Syrian Army told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Thursday he has intelligence showing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government is moving its chemical weapons out of the country.

“Today, we have information that the regime began to move chemical materials and chemical weapons to Lebanon and to Iraq,” Gen. Salim Idriss said from inside Syria.

CNN could not independently verify Idriss’ claim.

September 13th, 2013, 8:58 am

 

zoo said:

@1131 Oby

Sorry, but your expat’s identity crisis presents no interest.

Solve it first and then come back to write finally one comment that makes sense and that does not float on the illusion of a new Sykes Picot of dividing further the region to validate the Jewish state of Israel and to allow you to find your lost identity.

September 13th, 2013, 9:05 am

 

zoo said:

Jarba must be under a shock: “loyal’ France does not talk about military support anymore to the opposition but rather insist on a political solution and the prevention of the use of CW.

French FM speaks with SNC chief Al-Jarba on Syrian developments
13/09/2013 | 04:00 PM | World News

PARIS, Sept 13 (KUNA) — French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius held talks late Thursday with Syrian National Coalition (SNC) President Ahmad Al-Jarba, discussing the latest developments in the Syrian crisis and to reassure the SNC leader on France’s firm stance with Damascus.
French Foreign Ministry spokesman Philippe Lalliot said in a statement Friday that Fabius told Al-Jarba of France’s “determination to obtain a political solution, to sanction the perpetrators of the chemical massacre on August 21 and to dissuade them for committing such an atrocity again.” The French minister also informed Al-Jarba that “France would spare no effort to advance on this path, either in the negotiations in New York (at the UN) or in contacts that Fabius has with his foreign counterparts,” Lalliot indicated.

September 13th, 2013, 9:13 am

 

zoo said:

Attack on US consulate in Afghanistan may cast a shadow over Syria debate

Taliban insurgents in Herat explode truck bomb outside former five star hotel killing three local security force members.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/2013/0913/Attack-on-US-consulate-in-Afghanistan-may-cast-a-shadow-over-Syria-debate

The Taliban claimed responsibility for a dawn attack on a US consulate in Afghanistan Friday that killed at least three locals, and that underlines continued security woes in the country 12 years after the US intervened there.

The attack may also underline for critics the risks of striking Syria, as the US scrambles to respond to the alleged use of chemical weaponry in late August by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

September 13th, 2013, 9:24 am

 

Sami said:

More details emerge of the brutal massacre committed in Latakia that the “Hardly A Massacre” crowd can just ignore…

In the morning of May 2, 2013, Syrian government forces and
pro-government militias clashed with a group of opposition fighters in the town
of al-Bayda, a village of about 7,000 residents ten kilometers from the coastal
city of Baniyas. The clashes erupted when security forces, most likely acting
on information obtained from a recently detained local activist, attempted to
raid a house where some army defectors were hiding.

Around 1 p.m., the local opposition fighters retreated and government
and pro-government forces entered the village and proceeded to search the houses.
Over the next three hours, a familiar pattern repeated itself in most parts of al-Bayda:
government and pro-government forces entered homes, separated men from women,
rounded up the men of each neighborhood in one spot, and executed them by
shooting them at close range.

Some executions took place inside people’s homes,
others outside a building or at the village main square. Many women and
children were spared, but others were not; Human Rights Watch documented the
execution of at least 23 women and 14 children, including some infants. In many
cases, pro-government forces burnt the bodies of those they had shot. In one
particularly gruesome case, security forces piled up at least 25 bodies in a
cell phone store on the village square and set them on fire, according to
witness statements and video evidence reviewed by Human Rights Watch.

Working with survivors and local activists, Human Rights
Watch compiled a list of 167 names of people who were killed on that day (see
Annex 1). Based on the witness statements and the video evidence reviewed, the
overwhelming majority were summarily executed after the end of the military
confrontations in the village, making the killings in al-Bayda one of the
deadliest instances of mass executions in Syria’s increasingly bloody
conflict. The evidence gathered by Human Rights Watch indicates that all those
executed were civilian non-combatants who posed no threat to the security
forces. According to two opposition fighters who took part in the
confrontations in al-Bayda, the opposition fighters either escaped to
neighboring agricultural areas or were killed in the confrontations.

In documenting the killings in al-Bayda, Human Rights Watch interviewed
in person four survivors who witnessed how their relatives had been separated
from them by government and pro-government forces and later found them shot. All
four had fled to neighboring countries. Human Rights Watch also interviewed seven
residents and four first responders who discovered the corpses after pro-government
forces withdrew from the town at around 5 p.m. in the afternoon of May 2. Much
of the information gathered from witnesses was corroborated by video footage
filmed by the witnesses, as well as footage of government forces operating
inside the village on May 2, likely filmed by some government or pro-government
fighters, that was later published on YouTube.

According to multiple witnesses and footage from media
outlets close to the Syrian government who were present near al-Bayda during
the fighting and in the immediate aftermath, those who stormed al-Bayda were
members of the regular army as well as the National Defense Forces, a
paramilitary group organized by the Syrian government earlier in 2013. Three local
residents also accused armed residents from neighboring pro-government villages
of having participated in the killings.

Government and pro-government forces did not just kill
residents: they burnt and looted a number of homes and intentionally destroyed
property, according to multiple witnesses and video footage filmed by government
or pro-government forces and by local residents showing burning homes and cars.
According to the evidence Human Rights Watch gathered, much of the looting and
burning happened on May 3, the day after the killings, when pro-government
forces returned to al-Bayda.

On the same day as the clashes in al-Bayda, on May 2,
fighting erupted in nearby Ras al-Nabe`, a Baniyas neighborhood approximately ten
kilometers from al-Bayda. According to five local residents, government troops
shelled the neighborhood on May 2 and entered the neighborhood the next day. In
a pattern closely resembling events in al-Bayda, witnesses told Human Rights
Watch that government forces executed a number of residents after storming the
neighborhood and set certain homes on fire.

Human Rights Watch has identified 30 men, 22 women, and 29
children who were killed in Ras al-Nabe` on May 3 and in the early hours of May
4. The Syrian Network for Human Rights, a Syrian monitoring group has
identified 188 civilians, including 54 children and 43 women whom government
forces or pro-government militias allegedly summarily executed in Ras al-Nabe` during
this period. All five local witnesses told Human Rights Watch that they saw, or
saw evidence of, government forces burning homes and in some cases saw burnt
corpses in Ras al-Nabe`.

The killings, lootings, and burnings in al-Bayda and Baniyas
further escalated sectarian tensions in Syria. Al-Bayda is predominantly inhabited
by Sunni Muslims with a small Christian minority. Together with certain
neighborhoods in Baniyas, notably Ras al-Nabe`, the area is considered a Sunni
antigovernment enclave within the largely Alawite and pro-government Tartous
governorate. According to local witnesses, government and pro-government forces
only killed Sunnis and burned Sunni homes. Two Christian residents of al-Bayda told
Human Rights Watch that pro-government forces did not commit any killings or looting
in their part of town. The attacks drove most of the Sunni population of al-Bayda
and of Ras al-Nabe` in Baniyas to flee after the attack. Some are currently
displaced in opposition-controlled areas in northern Syria while others sought
shelter in neighboring countries. One survivor currently in Turkey told Human
Rights Watch that she could not imagine ever going back to al-Bayda: “I
lost everything. My husband, two of my children. My house. There is no one
left.”

The scale of the killings and torching of homes and property
a day after the fighting ended suggests that the government attacks may have
been intended to displace a civilian population that was perceived as supportive
of the opposition from an area that a government minister characterized as “very
sensitive.” Many consider it to be in the heartland of the Alawite
region.

Syria’s government acknowledged that it conducted military
operations in al-Bayda and Baniyas, but said that its forces had responded to rebel
ambushes and killed only “terrorists.” Commenting on the killings
in al-Bayda and Baniyas, Ali Haidar, minister of state for national
reconciliation affairs, told the Wall Street Journal that
“mistakes” may have been made and that a government committee is
investigating.

International human rights law unequivocally prohibits
summary and extrajudicial executions. In situations of armed conflict in which
international humanitarian law applies, deliberately killing civilians and
injured, surrendered, or captured soldiers (those hors de combat) would
constitute a war crime.

Human Rights Watch has previously documented and condemned
summary and extrajudicial executions by government and pro-government forces
following ground operations in many parts of Syria, including in Daraya, a
suburb of Damascus, and Homs and Idlib governorates. Human Rights Watch has
also documented and condemned executions carried out by opposition fighters in
areas under their control in Homs and Aleppo governorates.

Human Rights Watch called on the UN Security Council to ensure
accountability for these crimes by referring the situation in Syria to the
International Criminal Court and by demanding that Syria cooperate fully with
the UN Human Rights Council Commission of Inquiry, by giving it unrestricted
access to al-Bayda and Baniyas. Human Rights Watch also urged the Syrian
government to make public any findings by the government committee that
Minister Ali Haidar said was formed to investigate the killings in al-Bayda and
Baniyas and to grant full access to the UN Human Rights Council Commission of
Inquiry as well as human rights groups.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2013/09/13/no-one-s-left

September 13th, 2013, 9:49 am

 

Sami said:

I Guess the Sunni’s of Bayda and Banyas were not “Urban Sunni” enough to even be counted as victims, hence the utter lack of any sympathy or respect for the dead shown by the “Hardly a Massacre” crowd…

September 13th, 2013, 9:55 am

 

Ghat Al Bird said:

In all probability most of the commenters on this site are aware of what I just read on another website.

“Number of foreigners fighting in Syria;

Libyan 15,000; Tunisian 10,000; Lebanese 10,000 [each paid $500 a month by the Hariri family; Turkish 10,000; Jordanians 4,000; Chechens 1,000; Saudi Arabians 3,500; and other assorted countries like Australia, Britain etc,.

The following though is quote from a Pat Buchanan article:-

Here is Alon Pinkas, Israel’s former general consul in New York, giving Israel’s view of the Syrian bloodletting: “Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death. That’s the strategic thinking here.”

As if no one was aware of their enjoyment. Thats frrom the one democray in the ME that has stolen and is still stealing other people land and lives.

September 13th, 2013, 9:59 am

 

Uzair8 said:

So Russia has come to the rescue of the brutal criminal regime.

Who’s gonna come to the rescue of the poor syrian people, the victims of this brutal tyranny, the victims of the cynical and callous chemical attack?

September 13th, 2013, 10:12 am

 
 

zoo said:

@1136 Sami
@ 1140 Ziad

These a terrifying testimonies on how men become animals in time of war.

This conflict has escalated too far in cruelty and horrors and civilians have been paying a too heavy price.

There should be no conditions from any side to negotiate its end.

September 13th, 2013, 10:49 am

 

zoo said:

Uzair8

“Who’s gonna come to the rescue of the poor syrian people,”

Saudi Arabia and Qatar are spending billions of dollars just to do that and the opposite.

September 13th, 2013, 10:53 am

 

zoo said:

A ceasefire in Syria is a prerequisite to allow the destruction the CW, thus the West is pushing again toward Geneva II

Keeping US soldiers out of Syria may be a promise Obama can’t keep

Destroying Assad’s chemical weapon stockpiles will require troops and time, experts say

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/13/4726390/disarming-syria-assad-chemical-weapons-may-require-boots-on-the-ground

….
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, chief operating officer of London-based chemical warfare advisory group SecureBio, says Assad and the rebels would have to agree to a cease-fire if inspectors want to rapidly begin the process of disarmament, as the US has urged. An alternative would be to securely bury them underground until the war is over.

“You could dig a big hole, put the weapons in there, put a concrete plug on top, and come back to it when the situation allows,” Bretton-Gordon said in an interview with The Verge. “The actual destruction would take considerable time, and I just can’t see that happening in the current environment in Syria.”

Regardless of which tactic is ultimately decided upon, experts say the US and others would almost certainly have to deploy security forces.

“You can’t do it without boots on the ground,” Kaszeta says. “You need troops to secure the sites — tens of thousands. You effectively need to build a military encampment in the middle of an ongoing war.”

September 13th, 2013, 11:08 am

 

zoo said:

Egypt land, air forces shell gunmen ‘strongholds’
Published today 17:57

EL-ARISH, Egypt (Ma’an) — Egyptian land and air forces launched a large-scale campaign against strongholds of gunmen in Sheikh Zwaied early Friday, a Ma’an reporter said.

Security sources said Apache helicopters bombed strongholds of “dangerous” gunmen in al-Fatat and al-Zawara villages south of Sheikh Zwaied. Strong explosions were heard.

Egyptian forces imposed an air and land blockade since Thursday night. Egyptian forces began bombing the strongholds in Friday early morning.

September 13th, 2013, 11:11 am

 

Uzair8 said:

1142 Zoo

Saudi and Qatar to come to the rescue? To the required level?

I’ll belive it when I see it.

September 13th, 2013, 11:12 am

 

Uzair8 said:

So the ‘resistance’ volunteers to sell its sovereignty and it’s deterrence against nuclear armed Isreal?

Saving the regime and the Assad family rule seems to be more important than the glorious ‘resistance’. After all they never tire of telling us how Syria alone refused to submit to the zionists like those ‘half-men’ in the gulf (and Egypt/Jordan). What’s happened to the regime banging on about ‘sovereignty’ and the stoicism and stiff upper lip?

The brave Syrian people remained defiant and refused to submit to over 2 years of horrific onslaught. The regime, the bully, crumbles at the first sign of real danger.

September 13th, 2013, 11:15 am

 

zoo said:

Turkey blames everybody else for the killings in Syria, except itself

Davuto?lu says Turkey not a warmonger, calls for end to war in Syria

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-326251-davutoglu-says-turkey-not-a-warmonger-calls-for-end-to-war-in-syria.html

He lamented that the UN was not able to find a resolution to the Syrian conflict before over 100,000 people were killed and millions took refuge in neighboring countries. The Turkish foreign minister added that the Baathist regime in Syria, the international community and the UN were responsible for the killings and for those who were forced to leave from their homes.

September 13th, 2013, 11:16 am

 

zoo said:

@1145 Uzair8

Don’t you trust the Sunni Wahhabis and Moslem Brothehood for their ‘good’ intentions toward Syria?

September 13th, 2013, 11:18 am

 

zoo said:

“President Obama is deeply committed to a negotiated solution with respect to Syria”

Kerry: Syria peace prospects ride on weapons talks
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/09/kerry-syria-peace-prospects-ride-on-weapons-talks.html

Kerry, flanked by Lavrov and Brahimi, told the Geneva press corps after an hour-long meeting that the chances for a second peace conference in Geneva will require success first with the chemical weapons talks, which have been “constructive” so far.

“I will say on behalf of the United States that President Obama is deeply committed to a negotiated solution with respect to Syria, and we know that Russia is likewise. We are working hard to find the common ground to be able to make that happen. We discussed some of the homework that we both need to do,” Kerry said.

September 13th, 2013, 11:23 am

 

Uzair8 said:

On the topic of ‘Half-men’, actually we can now throw in the ‘Third-men’ after the recent capitualation of the regime.

I hear their doing an updated remake of the Orson Welles classic:

The Third Man
Starring Bashar Assad

September 13th, 2013, 11:24 am

 

zoo said:

Defiant USA: we will send weapons to the FSA

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/09/kerry-syria-peace-prospects-ride-on-weapons-talks.html

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials said the CIA has arranged for the Syrian opposition to receive anti-tank weaponry such as rocket-propelled grenades through a third party, presumably one of the Gulf countries that have been arming the rebels. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the classified program publicly.

Loay al-Mikdad, a spokesman for the Free Syrian Army, told The Associated Press that his group expected to receive weapons in the near future.

September 13th, 2013, 11:26 am

 

ghufran said:

try to make sense of this:

Is the White House keeping Syria’s rebel commander out of Washington? The Cable’s John Hudson: “…hawks on Capitol Hill are questioning why the Obama administration isn’t using one of its most powerful advocates for intervention: General Salim Idriss, commander of the rebels’ Supreme Military Council. Long heralded as the poster child for Syria’s moderate rebels, Idriss has yet to travel to Washington to make his case for U.S. intervention — and it’s not for lack of trying. Congressional sources and members of the Syrian opposition tell The Cable that the Obama administration has delayed or cancelled at least three scheduled trips for Idriss to come to Washington since March.”
A frustrated Congressional aide to Hudson: “The White House has stepped in at the eleventh hour to cancel planned trips in which tickets were bought and hotels were booked for Gen. Idriss to come to Washington… It’s beyond me why the administration is trying to prevent a very articulate person from answering the fundamental question that almost every lawmaker wants to know: Who the Hell is the opposition?'”
(source FP )

September 13th, 2013, 11:56 am

 

ziad said:

The Geopolitics of the Syrian War – Sharmine Narwani on GRTV

September 13th, 2013, 12:04 pm

 

syrian said:

Syria has become Iran’s Vietnam
By Mark Fitzpatrick, Director, Non-proliferation and Disarmament Programme

‘As if the Iran nuclear issue was not already difficult enough, it became even more complicated when Bashar al-Assad unleashed his chemical weapons across Damascus suburbs last month. Suddenly, the Syria issue is overshadowing all other factors concerning Iran.

‘And now Assad’s chemical-weapons slaughter of women and children has exacerbated divisions in Iran itself, with former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani accusing the Syrian government. The Iranian people know that the armaments and financial props that Iran provides Assad soak up revenues that are more precious with each new sanctions measure Iran faces. In many ways, Syria has become Iran’s Vietnam: a quagmire from which it has no apparent escape.”
http://www.iiss.org/en/iiss%20voices/blogsections/iiss-voices-2013-1e35/september-2013-38d4/syria-is-iran-vietnam-1fec

September 13th, 2013, 12:04 pm

 

Rancher said:

Putin has made any attack impossible for the foreseeable future. Right now we have to negotiate with Assad and Putin. Assad’s latest condition is that Israel give up its nukes. This farce will go nowhere and Putin has almost assured Assad’s regime will be around for a while yet.

September 13th, 2013, 12:05 pm

 

ziad said:

Witness to a Syrian Execution: “I Saw a Scene of Utter Cruelty”

All wars are vicious, but the civil war in Syria seems every day to set new standards for brutality. As the fighting rages in its third year, increasing numbers of atrocities are committed by soldiers and fighters from forces loyal to the regime of President Bashar Assad, as well as armed rebels and Islamic militants from the numerous, loosely aligned groups opposing Assad. The violence is frequently sectarian in nature, with fighters claiming they act in defense of their faith, be it Sunni, Alawite, Shiite or any of the other sects that contribute to Syria’s religious landscape.

The perpetrators of atrocities themselves often use digital cameras or smartphones to photograph or film their acts of torture and murder, uploading the images to the Internet. These images and videos are used for propaganda, and their authenticity is often impossible to verify. It is very rare that a group of fighters from either side gives a professional photojournalist from a country outside Syria full and unfettered access to chronicle an atrocity as it unfolds. The images above are products of that access.

http://lightbox.time.com/2013/09/12/witness-to-a-syrian-execution-i-saw-a-scene-of-utter-cruelty/?iid=lb-gal-viewagn#1

September 13th, 2013, 12:17 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

It’s been said before, Iran & Hezbo have their very own ‘Vietnam’ on their hands. We warned them not to associate with this criminal mafia as they will bring them down with it.

Anyway, it might be an idea for someone in the opposition to address a letter to the Iranian people and try to publish it in a major Iranian daily.

Perhaps also a letter to the Russian people. Surely, after Putin’s letter in the US press, they won’t refuse permission to publish it in their press?

September 13th, 2013, 12:27 pm

 

apple_mini said:

As some of us have predicted the CW incident would morphed into a harbinger for peace. We are seeing a glimpse of light in the end of tunnel: US and Russia finally decided to push for peace.

I ask around what people will do after a ceasefire is announced. They say they will get drunk even many of them would not like to drink.

War always ends. But we hope this one will come sooner.

September 13th, 2013, 12:57 pm

 

zoo said:

Selim Idriss “honestly and frankly” denies receiving any military support from the “American friends”

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/12/221636515/did-obamas-delay-in-military-action-hurt-syrian-rebels-cause

INSKEEP: General, what kinds of weapons, if any, have you received from the United States up to this point?

IDRISS: Yes, we received support from our American friends. And what we received really is humanitarian aid – food and the medical materials. We received bulletproof jackets. We received some types of flight(ph) vehicles and ambulances, night vision goggles, communications equipment, computers and satellite Internet equipment. Lesser materials, we didn’t receive any kind of lesser materials from our American friends.

INSKEEP: Even up to today, you have received nothing, you’re saying.

IDRISS: Yes. Yes. No military support, no direct military support.

INSKEEP: Because here I’m looking at the Washington Post from earlier this week, September 11, saying the CIA has begun delivering weapons to rebels in Syria ending months of delay. You’re telling me that if any weapons are getting to any rebels, they’re not getting to you. Is that correct?

IDRISS: No. No. That is correct. We didn’t receive any weapons from our American friends.

INSKEEP: Because Americans have been under the impression that the policy was to deliver weapons to the rebels at this point. Why is that not happening?

IDRISS: We were waiting and still waiting to receive weapons and ammunition. And we told our friends in the United States we hope that you will support us. We are in most need for anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles. They told us that it is very difficult to support us with anti-aircraft missiles. But we discussed with them the military support. They say that they will go back with these ideas to Washington and discuss that with the administration, and then we will get an answer.

We are in contact with our friends, American friends here. But till now, honestly and frankly, there is no military support.

September 13th, 2013, 1:03 pm

 

omen said:

1158. apple_mini said: As some of us have predicted the CW incident would morphed into a harbinger for peace. We are seeing a glimpse of light in the end of tunnel: US and Russia finally decided to push for peace.

dont forget, iran is running out of money and russia’s economy isn’t that strong.

September 13th, 2013, 1:08 pm

 

Syrialover said:

#1122 ALAN, what are you talking about? Why so strongly deny your interest in that article about Israel’s new gas wealth?

Anything to do with Israel is one of your hottest topics.

You are always telling us how Zionists and Israel are secretly running America, arming al qaeda, have a cabal that controls the world, you name it, they’re somehow doing it.

Anyone not clear about this, go to the comments search section of this blog (https://joshualandis.com/blog/search-comments/) and type in Alan’s name and Israel and Zionist.

Much will be revealed – about ALAN’s world view and conspiracist obsessions.

But prepared to be confused by how ALAN can hold these views in his head alongside the idea that Bashar Assad is more powerful, stronger, smarter and destined to win than the Zionists.

September 13th, 2013, 1:13 pm

 

omen said:

1152. ghufran said: try to make sense of this:

what’s to make sense? obama doesn’t really support the opposition. he’s done more to make sure the regime remains in power.

how can you be surprised?

September 13th, 2013, 1:14 pm

 

omen said:

1156. ziad said: The perpetrators of atrocities themselves often use digital cameras or smartphones to photograph or film their acts of torture and murder, uploading the images to the Internet. These images and videos are used for propaganda, and their authenticity is often impossible to verify.

didn’t dawn on me until second reading that the regime could have staged this beheading for this TIME reporter/photographer who has likely been sanctioned by regime with visas.

earlier incidents where rebels have executed shabiha, they barred western reporters from premises in order to block them from filming. rebels are more media sensitive than this.

September 13th, 2013, 1:20 pm

 

Alan said:

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!
To achieve success in the war against terrorism the U.S. has connected countries around the world to support!
Why Vladimir Vladimirovich Syria today alone fighting this epidemic without collective operational support for the troops SCO or the BRICS, headed by Russia?
TV Almayadin channel reported today that Al-Qaeda terrorists have warned that they will blow up the Euphrates dam and make a disaster (Blackmailing)! is not it possible you have to wait until the stone to stone will be left?
If so, then it may be to open the Syrian territory for Jihad against Israel across the width! Then help please send additional potential Jihadists from all CIS countries!
with respect!

September 13th, 2013, 1:21 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO #1159

And if it’s true that America is not sending arms to the Syrian opposition? (And I have also seen other reports from inside Syria saying this).

Please tell us, in your book is that a good thing or a bad thing?

September 13th, 2013, 1:26 pm

 

omen said:

1164. Alan: Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin!

are you calling for russia to invade and occupy syria??

September 13th, 2013, 1:26 pm

 

Alan said:

1166. OMEN
I do not grant certificates of literacy!

September 13th, 2013, 1:41 pm

 

zoo said:

Bye Bye Hitto, Welcome Touma, the sole candidate for the job

Syrian opposition to name interim PM
13/09/2013 | 08:28 PM | World News

ISTANBUL, Sept 13 (KUNA) — The general authority of the Syrian national alliance of revolutionary forces and opposition forces began a meeting in Istanbul on Friday to discuss a host of issues, foremost naming an interim prime minister.
Sources in the alliance told reporters that all 115 members were discussing the naming of the next prime minister of the interim Syrian government which would run affairs of areas under opposition control.
The sole candidate for the prime minister’s post, Ahmad T’uma, submitted last month his vision of the forthcoming government.
The alliance members might name T’uma at the end of the day since he is the sole candidate, the sources predicted.
T’uma, a dentist and political activist, was born in Deir Az-Zour and is one of the staunch opposition figures of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s regime. He was arrested for more than two years and a half between 2007 and 2010.
The Syrian opposition seek to unite ranks in order to obtain support from the Syrians inside the country and the international community. (end) ta.bs KUNA 132028 Sep 13NNNN

September 13th, 2013, 1:48 pm

 

Syrialover said:

OMEN, I don’t see why you keep jumping to the conclusion that Obama wants to keep Bashar Assad in power.

Please consider this fact: Western politicians who have become involved in the Syrian issue have chosen to do some exhausting and messy heavy lifting that is not in their personal electoral interests or job descriptions.

It’s to do with their (and their political and social institutions) convictions, values and philosophies. It’s their reaction to the spectacular cruelties, insults and dangers the Assad regime and its allies are inflicting on humanity.

And they are struggling on a very rough and muddy road, battling massive potholes of ignorance, indifference, lies and prejudice.

It’s 2013 and the civilized world, its understanding and systems keep evolving (except in Putin’s Russia, which is in a mudslide backwards).

September 13th, 2013, 1:55 pm

 

zoo said:

1165 SL

France was counting on the strikes to “re-balance” the military power by weakening the SAA, as it was obvious that sending weapons to the rebels would never re-balance the power on the ground.

The rebels have not been made clear yet that they will NEVER get the weapons needed to topple Bashar Al Assad, simply because the West does not want to topple the Syrian government anymore until the CW issue and the al Qaeda issue are solved, that means several months or years.

With more weapons, the rebels will only provoke more death and delay their unconditional acceptance of the Geneva conference.

They should realize that their options have dimished and almost about to disappear.

September 13th, 2013, 2:12 pm

 

omen said:

ok, syrialover, i don’t want to argue.

September 13th, 2013, 2:13 pm

 

omen said:

1158. apple_mini: As some of us have predicted the CW incident would morphed into a harbinger for peace. We are seeing a glimpse of light in the end of tunnel: US and Russia finally decided to push for peace…War always ends. But we hope this one will come sooner.

this is regime’s idea of peace:

https://twitter.com/i_philgoodwin/status/378396662114557952

https://twitter.com/JadBantha/status/378209498172641280

with iran & russia’s blessing:

September 13th, 2013, 2:18 pm

 

zoo said:

Funny! I thought it was the opposition who refused negotiations with Bashar al Assad. Now their sponsors are asking Bashar al Assad to accept negotiations. Next the opposition will be asked (forced) into it

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-13/231209-france-three-arab-countries-to-strengthen-support-for-syria-rebels-paris.ashx#axzz2ejUnE594

PARIS: France, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Jordan have agreed to strengthen the Syrian opposition in its battle against Bashar al-Assad’s regime, the French presidency said Friday.

After a meeting in Paris, French President Francois Hollande and foreign ministers from the three countries “agreed on the need to strengthen international support for the democratic opposition to allow it to face attacks by the regime,” the Elysee said in a statement.

The statement said they agreed on the “need to remain firm with Bashar al-Assad’s regime, to dissuade him from again using chemical weapons and to have him commit to negotiations on finding a political solution to the Syrian crisis.”

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-13/231209-france-three-arab-countries-to-strengthen-support-for-syria-rebels-paris.ashx#ixzz2enXLJdwD
(The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

September 13th, 2013, 2:19 pm

 

Alan said:

The same John Kerry! not Alan! John Kerry Performer!
http://youtu.be/BLQlnot4FVo?t=12m59s

NWO Endgame: The Next Phase Began With The Syria Backdown
http://beforeitsnews.com/new-world-order/2013/09/nwo-endgame-the-next-phase-began-with-the-syria-backdown-video-174.html
/In fact, that’s the point: it’s quite a relief. In order to understand this new phase of the project, we need to step back and review again the overall scenario. Every crisis, from 9/11 itself, and including all the interventions and regime changes, has been manufactured. What we’re seeing is a classic case of ‘create crisis’, ‘offer solution’. Or, in the language of the Shock Doctrine, given a crisis, accomplish what you couldn’t accomplish otherwise./
/There will be another crisis, another solution, then another, and each solution to each dire crisis will come about by global powers working together, our salvation…. our only hope of peace…… The New World Order./

September 13th, 2013, 2:26 pm

 

Syrialover said:

1170# ZOO

You are dodging my question in #1165.

You obviously desperately don’t want the west to help arm the genuine Syrian opposition who are fighting Assad.

But it also wrecks a lot of your arguments if it’s proved the west hasn’t help armed the rebels.

September 13th, 2013, 2:30 pm

 

omen said:

1158. apple_mini: As some of us have predicted the CW incident would morphed into a harbinger for peace.

this is regime’s idea of peace:

https://twitter.com/LuisaZangh/status/378568624727797760

ongoing seiges continuing to starve the poor. as usually, the rich couldn’t give a damn.

September 13th, 2013, 2:34 pm

 

Alan said:

U.S. Military: Al-Qaeda Rebels Produced Sarin Gas For Chemical Attacks In Syria
http://www.infowars.com/u-s-military-al-qaeda-rebels-produced-sarin-gas-for-chemical-attacks-in-syria/
A leaked U.S. military document reveals that Al-Qaeda possessed and produced “kitchen-grade” sarin gas for chemical attacks against the Syrian people, further adding to the evidence that the Al-Qaeda Syrian opposition launched the Aug. 21 chemical attack in Damascus as a false flag in order to frame Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad……

September 13th, 2013, 2:35 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Putin shows how dumb and unsophisticated his grasp of international diplomacy and debate is every time he opens his mouth.

His NY Times piece has made him a joke. His crude almost childish arguments, concealment of facts and ignoring reality reveals he thinks on a different, lower plane from the civilized, developed world.

Putin is brutally using Syria to make himself feel important. This is 100% about Russia’s self image not its interests.

A couple of the many negative reviews of his NY Times piece:

“What Putin didn’t tell the American people” (by a Russian) http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/12/dispatches-what-putin-didn-t-tell-american-people

And

“Examining key themes from Putin’s opinion piece”
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/12/politics/putin-syria-point-counterpoint/?hpt=po_c1

September 13th, 2013, 2:35 pm

 

Alan said:

In three days 100 Jews from around the world signed on to a statement sharply critical of AIPAC and other Jewish bodies lobbying for President Obama’s war resolution against Syria. Hopefully people will refer to it in their efforts with the media, Congress, teach-ins and rallies. It reads:

We Jews Oppose Calls for the U.S. to Bomb Syria
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/jews-say-no-to-aipac-and-say-no-to-bombing-syria.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Net+News+Global&utm_term=Net+News+Global&utm_content=News+von+Net+News+Global

September 13th, 2013, 2:44 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Don’t think Assad and his allies aren’t working to create a “Biafran situation” in Syria.

Nigeria’s Biafran secessionist tribal war (1967-70) led to the deaths of 3 million people – mostly from starvation and disease.

The world was shocked and haunted by the image of masses of starving children caused by the Nigerian military’s blockade of sections of the country.

There are reports that people are now starving in some parts of Syria, and we know that the death toll from disease is already huge.

September 13th, 2013, 2:51 pm

 

Sami said:

Omen,

I know many rich Syrians that not only have they financially sacrificed to help their fellow Syrians most in need, but some that paid with the most valuable thing they can and that is their lives.

This of course does not excuse or in anyway deminish the response or lack thereof of the “Hardly a Massacre” crowd that have shown nothing but pure indignation towards their fellow Syrians.

September 13th, 2013, 2:53 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

I never thought I would desire to kill anyone with my own hands. If me as a pacifist and cultivated person have these feelings towards Assad Mafia I can imagine the feelings of millions of citizens under bombs, missiles, barrils of TNT, Scud missiles, towards any soldier or politician defending the Assad regime.

The danger is that these feelings frustrated become a seed to millions of terrorists if the revolution is finally sold by the US and crashed by Russia and Assad criminals. If Assad prevails in power Syria will never rest in peace and terrorism will spread against security forces, political bodies and alawite areas.

September 13th, 2013, 3:06 pm

 

omen said:

look alan, your dream come true. guess who won the nobel?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=611572792228032&l=ba9c5baad3

September 13th, 2013, 3:12 pm

 

syrian said:

“In New York, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said Friday that the Assad regime “has committed many crimes against humanity” and that he believes U.N. investigators will issue “an overwhelming report” showing that chemical weapons were used outside Damascus last month, the Associated Press reported.

Ban made the comments shortly before the chief chemical weapons inspector, Ake Sellstrom, said the report was complete and would be delivered to Ban this weekend. Ban thought his remarks to a women’s group were not being broadcast, but they were shown on U.N. television, AP said. It will be up to Ban to decide when to release the report publicly, Sellstrom told the news agency.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/kerry-lavrov-syria-peace-conference-option-depends-on-outcome-of-chemical-talks/2013/09/13/c4bd15c6-1c64-11e3-8685-5021e0c41964_story.html?hpid=z1

September 13th, 2013, 3:19 pm

 

Alan said:

The head of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov, in an interview with ” Pravda.ru, ” shared his opinion about the situation in Syria.

Leonid Ivashov : ” Inevitably there is the defeat of Syria , the aggression against it ? I do not think so . We now see that the world begins to change dramatically . It is in such a transit , the transition state , but the worst of it – the west – centric – the world he is going to get better . And the beginning of the world visible. And while Russia is trading – showing their independence . Putin announced the formation of the Eurasian Union. We see the Chinese are willing to transform the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a powerful transcontinental Eurasian bloc. We see the BRICS countries – is a big part of the population of humanity , too, wants a new world and is already laying the bricks in his building.

It is clear now that the Americans are afraid . And this force – it ‘s not involved – Russia , for example. Russia humanity after World War II entrusted the most important function – the maintenance of international peace – Russia elected a permanent member of the Security Council. And this is not only an honorable duty or a duty to remember our fallen soldiers , it is the responsibility for the maintenance of high just world peace, and Russia must in this situation first – require urgent convening of the UN Security Council and make a resolution condemning the preparations for aggression and is therefore not allowed .

The second duty of Russia – is to provide support for the implementation of Syria individual or collective defense. This is not just right – a duty we owe to support both individually and form a system of collective defense. We have not done that, too .

http://youtu.be/Zrc4vKrnkZs?t=1s

September 13th, 2013, 3:23 pm

 

Syrialover said:

“Elite Syrian Unit Scatters Chemical Arms Stockpile”

Assad Regime Has Moved Weapons to as Many as 50 Sites

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324755104579071330713553794.html?mod=wsj_share_tweet

September 13th, 2013, 3:33 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO, another question for you.

Do you think Assad urgently scattering his chemical weapon stockpiles between many more locations, while pretending he will give them over is a clever thing to do or a dumb thing? (see #1186)

September 13th, 2013, 3:39 pm

 

Alan said:

Performer Kerry(The New World Order )chemical spectacle goes on!

yesterday’s “stuffing” Al Arabiya and Al Jazeera about another chemical attack in Djobar can be seen as a sign of weakness and despair, surrounded by gunmen.

September 13th, 2013, 3:43 pm

 

zoo said:

@1175 SL

No point in arguing with you.
I forgot that you always ask questions just to be able to dump your own silly answer.

September 13th, 2013, 3:53 pm

 

zoo said:

#1188 Alan

The alleged Jobar CW attack got zero western media coverage.
Is there an issue of loss of credibility at all the rumors and lies that furious Qatar and Saudi Arabia’s mouthpieces are spreading?

September 13th, 2013, 3:56 pm

 

zoo said:

1187 SL

Yawn…

September 13th, 2013, 3:58 pm

 

Alan said:

No More War for Israel?
The People Against the 800 Pound Gorilla
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/09/13/the-people-against-the-800-pound-gorilla/

September 13th, 2013, 4:00 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ALAN you are full of surprising revelations, kept secret from the world until you told us.

You’ve just stunned me with the following: “…Russia humanity after World War II” (#1185.

Russia’s post-WWII humanity? Where? When? How?

We know for sure it didn’t happen inside Russia – famously the opposite. And there is no mention of it in any records or history from elsewhere, particularly Eastern Europe where Russia took control.

ALAN, are you involved in a project to rewrite world history?

September 13th, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

Syrialover said:

ZOO, #1189 I ask questions to hear your answers.

But you never give them, jut pretend to be asleep.

You deliver endless opinions about the motives and actions of the Americans and others.

Yet you always dodge any opinion questions directly related to the Assad regime and its allies.

Let’s have some balance here.

September 13th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

zoo said:

Enough tear gas, Mr Erdogan, try something else, like respecting protesters against your islamist bullying!

Amnesty International calls for the suspension of tear gas shipments to Turkey
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/amnesty-international-calls-for-the-suspension-of-tear-gas-shipments-to-turkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=54432&NewsCatID=341

“The Turkish police’s return to the abusive use of force in response to demonstrations underscores the need for all countries to suspend shipments of tear gas and other riot control projectile equipment and armored policing vehicles to Turkey, until steps are taken to prevent such deaths and injuries,” Amnesty International’s Turkey researcher Andrew Gardner has said.

Countries such as the United States, Israel, Britain, China, Brazil, India, Belgium and South Korea are among those who have procured such materials, the association said.

It also quoted media reports indicating that new supplies of riot control equipment had been ordered.

September 13th, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

Rancher said:

For those of you who take heart that Syria is Iran’s and Hezbollah’s Vietnam consider that we actually won that war with a stable South Vietnam until Congress cut support to the South Vietnamese, thanks in part to John Kerry. Without our support and with the north being supported by Russia Saigon eventually fell. The lesson? Bet on the Russians.

September 13th, 2013, 4:13 pm

 

Alan said:

Syrian Rebels Slit Throat of Christian Man Who Refused To Convert To Islam
U.S., Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel Support Al Qaeda Terrorists Who Are Brutally Persecuting Syrian Christians
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/syrian-rebels-slit-throat-of-christian-man-who-refused-to-convert-to-islam/68984/

September 13th, 2013, 4:14 pm

 

zoo said:

Hollande’s request for chapter 7? HA!

U.S. not expecting U.N. resolution on Syria to include use of force

Reuters

4:03 p.m. EDT, September 13, 2013

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The United States does not expect a U.N. Security Council resolution on Syria’s chemical weapons to include a potential use of military force due to Russian opposition, senior Obama administration officials said on Friday.

September 13th, 2013, 4:25 pm

 

Rancher said:

1192. Alan said:

“No More War for Israel?”

From your link:

“An American friend who knows Washington well recently told us that “everybody” there knows that, as far as the drive to war with Syria is concerned, it is Israel that directs U.S. policy.”

Israel directing Obama? Seriously? Obama is no friend of Israel, and even if he was he isn’t facing reelection so what good is the Israeli lobby to him? Many of those in Congress are friends of Israel and have vigorously opposed intervention in Syria. This obsession with the all powerful Jews pulling the strings of the world is silly and I am surprised to see it from you even taking into account your hatred of Israel.

September 13th, 2013, 4:28 pm

 

Alan said:

1193. Israellover!
Why are you so surprised! Do you never get used to record a history by someone else! History will record by others, always and forever!

September 13th, 2013, 4:28 pm

 

Alan said:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/09/jack-d-douglas/the-cia-and-its-weapons-are-pouring-into-syria/


They probably used cut-outs, agents, and weapons almost impossible to trace back to the US. At the moment the rebels are so openly enraged at the US for not carrying out the air strikes promised long ago that they are hinting that they could tell the whole truth about the gas if the US does not fulfill its promised air strikes and save them. If the US does not launch air trikes and save their Sunni allies, the CIA might have to send some of its famous assassination teams, or those of Israel’s Mossad, to liquidate these former allies who could expose the truth about the US.

September 13th, 2013, 4:44 pm

 

Alan said:

New scandal of U.S. intelligence. U.S. authorities have handed Israel so-called “raw” intelligence, of which have not been removed sensitive information about U.S. citizens.
Memorandum of Understanding between the U.S. secret services and intelligence agencies of Israel
http://youtu.be/DA1-B0QNp0A

September 13th, 2013, 5:23 pm

 
 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our very well informed and highly reliable sources never cease to work hard and around the clock in order to make the news available to you before it becomes news. They always provide us with extremely important heads up which we immediately make available to you.

Today’s heads up continues with its exploration of humanity’s epic historical struggle with the evil-doings of the Serpent and its Associates which became evident to the naked eye especially after the flagrant deception of the humanity’s defining moment of power usurpation of Syria in the year 2000 by the Serpent-head or Ass-Head B. Assad.

It has become very obvious for the world to see with the naked eye that the Serpent-head follows well predictable patterns in its never ending quest, since it deceived our forefathers long ago, to poison the human kind with its stockpile of head-stored poison, which it recently claimed it wants to surrender, but as we, at heads up, pointed out on more than one occasion, the claim is but a promise of a serpent and one in the endless series of deception, duplicitousness and mockery to the human kind. From our point of view, the Serpent loses its very raison d’etre just by giving up the very same head it so desperately needs for its poisonous existence seeking to destroy its arch-enemy of humanity.

We are happy to announce that the arrogant behaviour of the Serpent by coming forward into the lime light post the year of usurpartion has indeed benefited the human kind by shedding light into the devious and shadowy plots of the cursed reptilian creature. The world is gaining imunity against the deviousness of the Serpent and more often than not the world is succeeding in avoiding the traps and deceptions. Of course, we need to make a distinction and exclude those who associate with the Reptile and aid and abet in its plots. These are the well known fallen reptiles to the far north and to the east of its currently sewred bunker where it is laying low awaiting an opportune moment to show the ugly head.

The French, in complete and total coordination with the Brits and the Americans, are leading the way for humanity forward in order to build a Serpent free human earth by laying the foundations for dealing once and for all with the reptile. The objective remains clear and one and the same for all humanity. It is nothing less than the total destruction of the very head of Serpent.

The resolution is now being drafted to be passed under chapter 7 of the now defunct UNSC. The efforts of the three leading powers, however, may help reinvigorate this institution and make it relevant provided Reptile associates choose to resist the temptations of the Serpent-head and cooperate. The resolution includes provisions for 13 introductory items and 37 operational Ones. It gives Criminal Pervert just 24 hours to comply and another 72 hours to reveal its store of poison head to the world. It further demands unhindered access and full cooperation to self destruct. Serpent-head must then submit itself to World Court for questioning and sentencing for past and present crimes. It also demands that the Serpent-head abolishes its power usurpation of Syria and its people and hand back what it illegally usurped to its rightful owners, the great revolting people of Syria.

We, at heads up, believe this is a quantum leap for humanity in its epic struggle against the serpent Arch enemy. We will continue to follow up on this very very important heads up and provide you with updates as they develop.

September 13th, 2013, 5:30 pm

 

Sami said:

You’ve got to be morally bankrupt to compare the atrocities committed by the regime to that of the rebels.

This is not a cop out or to diminish the ugliness perpetrated by the rebels but the state sponsored wholesale punishment of civilians that the Assad regime has been churning out for the past three years has absolutely no equal to its ugly evilly today on earth.

Had Assad had the same resources of that of Hitler and the Nazis he could’ve an would’ve matched Hitlers kill count in no time. I guess we Syrians should be somewhat grateful for backwardness of the Baathist Assad regime because had it been a half decent run government and not the empty shell that Sr and Jr turned it into Syria would have a lot more martyrs killed in the name of “résistance”.

September 13th, 2013, 6:00 pm

 

Tara said:

Matt,

“People should stand up to them, to our enemies”.  Said Sara, a 12 year al Bayda’s survivor.  Go ahead! Tell Sara that, although you understand her anger, you think she is sectarian, that she should control her emotions, that she has no right to call them “her enemies’, and that she has no right to tell them to get out of her people’s hair.  I am sorry, but you do not understand nor Sara’s anger, nor mine.  Sara and I and the 18 million Syrian will offer no apology and if that cause my banning, then I am better off.  
—–       

“”Sara” – a 12-year-old girl who survived the massacre and who was interviewed for this programme, found the body of her tortured and murdered father. When asked if there was anything she’d like to say to the people abroad who might see this film she replied:

“The world should pay attention about what is happening in al-Bayda. Why is everyone asleep? Why don’t they do something?

“We had one nursing baby who died in his mother’s lap. What has he done? Did he overthrow the president? People should stand up to them, to our enemies.

“You cannot just keep quiet. This is not right. They have slaughtered all of us. They have emptied al-Bayda. There is no-one there any more. It used to be called al-Bayda – the white village. Now they call it al-Sawda – the black village.””

—-
Al-Bayda was a sleepy place. Not much happened there, and until this spring was unremarkable except for one defining fact: it was a predominantly Sunni village, entirely surrounded by pro-regime Alawite and Christian territory.

The Syrian government didn’t consider al-Bayda to be a threat. In May 2011 they rounded up all the men in the village square and beat many of them up to remind them President Assad was in charge – and then more or less left it alone.

There was no permanent Syrian army force there, no big checkpoint and no fighting. Regime forces came and went as they pleased. No-one attacked them.

At 1.30pm the killing began. Men and women were separated in the houses. The “men” – which included teenage boys – were either executed immediately, or marched to the village square to be killed en masse. Most were shot. Some were hacked to death with long knives or cleavers. At least one young boy, Luqman al-Hiris, was beheaded – in front of his mother.

In the house of Mustafa Biyasi, 30 women and children were herded into one room and then executed – shot at point blank. Saffa Biyasi cuddled her baby boy, Hamza Biyasi. They lay dead next to each other, serene despite their injuries. Afnan Biyasi and another small child spooned each other on the bed they were shot on, perhaps holding each other for comfort in the last moments before the bullets ripped through their tiny bodies.

By 5pm the massacre was over. The Syrian army had killed at least 169 civilians in four hours. The verified final death toll is likely to reach beyond 250.

Burned
Bodies were stacked up in the local cellphone shop and burned, making them hard to identify. Um Mohammed, an eye witness to the massacre, was able to identify the charred remains of her son only by the chipped fingernail he’d broken earlier.

The next day government forces returned and burned al-Bayda. The sleepy village which once had a population of around 5,000 people was empty. Refugees fled to rebel-held areas of Syria and then on to Turkey and Lebanon.

http://t.co/ZRQY4bgJZP #news

September 13th, 2013, 6:41 pm

 

Tara said:

Friday Demonstrations are back.  Same roads.  Same towns.

This Friday slogan was:
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September 13th, 2013, 6:59 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara:
I think Matt. Was not aware that Apple mini had discribed the masscers of Bayda witch I believe she said she was around that area with her infamous comment,”I just witnessed hardly a massacre”

September 13th, 2013, 7:15 pm

 

omen said:

1167. Alan: I do not grant certificates of literacy!

this isn’t a denial, alan!

September 13th, 2013, 7:27 pm

 

ziad said:

US Military: Al-Qaeda produced sarin for chemical attacks in Syria

A leaked US military document reveals that Al-Qaeda possessed and produced “kitchen-grade” sarin gas for chemical attacks against the Syrian people, further adding to the evidence that the Al-Qaeda militants launched the Aug. 21 chemical attack in Damascus as a false flag in order to frame Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad.

In May, Turkish anti-terror police confiscated a two-kilogram cylinder of sarin gas from members of the Jabhat al-Nusra Front based in Southern Turkey near the Syrian border, according to a classified report obtained by WND.

The National Ground Intelligence Center report states that Al-Qaeda in Iraq produced the sarin gas and then shipped it to the al-Nusra Front for use in Syria, a report in the InfoWars said.

Two months prior to the confiscation, 26 people and Syrian government forces died from exposure to sarin gas delivered in a rocket attack on Aleppo, a city in the northwestern region of Syria near the Turkish border.

“The rocket came from a place controlled by the terrorists and which is located close to the Turkish territory,” according to a Syrian government statement in response to the attack. “One can assume that the weapon came from Turkey.”

http://counterpsyops.com/2013/09/13/us-military-al-qaeda-produced-sarin-for-chemical-attacks-in-syria/

September 13th, 2013, 8:01 pm

 

Sami said:

Tara and Syrian,

It is rather shameful that massacre denials is permitted here, I never understood those that denied the Holocoust with so much evidence to prove that such subhuman atrocities were being committed against defenseless prisoners.

What I never knew then but so clearly know now is the pain such denialists cause to the families and friends of the victims. For denyin the death of the innocent that have died in the most horrendous of circumstances is not only causing those that were murdered in cold blood to be further humiliated but it allows for further killings and massacres to occur because the regime knows it will have its mouthpieces regurgitating what ever is fed to them and tgat they provide enough cover to further enforce the slaughter of the innocent.

Those that deny massacres not only deserve our contempt but should be spoken to with the same utter disregard that thy have shown to the dead.

September 13th, 2013, 8:07 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Well what do you know.

Killing by chemical weapons was done by tyrannical trio Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler and Bashar Assad (possibly also Hafez Assad at Hama in 1982.)

But the others who also deserve an honourable mention are the Russians.

Russia used chemical weapons in its campaign of conquest and destruction in Afghanistan in the 1970s, according to this 30 year old intelligence report. Russia was also involved in the use of chemical weapons in South East Asia.

That was the era when Vladimir Putin was an eager young KGB officer, bursting with nationalistic pride at the Soviet Union’s glorious achievements.

No surprise Putin really doesn’t see anything wrong with the Assad regime using CW.

In fact, he probably wants to preserve the precedent and reserve the right to use CW in Chechnya and Georgia and other places when he feels like it.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000284013.pdf

September 13th, 2013, 9:44 pm

 

Syrialover said:

SAMI & TARA

This calm, clear account of the Bayda massacre linked below is a solid stack of bricks, building the evidence for use in war crimes proceedings.

In addition to the killings, the lawyers will be noting that officers gave soldiers orders to rape (one woman describes how a young soldier asked her to move her arms and pretend saying otherwise both he and she would be shot).

This careful factual report is a model for many, many more such accounts of organized atrocities by regime security forces against civilians.

And we can be sure that some soldiers will be providing powerful evidence against their commanders, right up the line to the bloody fingerprints on orders by the Assad brothers.

http://www.hrw.org/node/118625/section/7

September 13th, 2013, 10:21 pm

 
 

apple_mini said:

Unfortunate to the opposition, the regime holds all the cards in negotiation.

Show us an alternative if you can.

I do remember Al Khatib who has been forced out.

As I am always convinced, there is no sane people left in the opposition.

You got radical fanatic fighters and obsessive twisted activists. What a perfect combination!

What a tragedy for Syria when you have an impotent corrupt regime being about to negotiate with a Frankenstein opposition.

September 14th, 2013, 12:05 am

 

Sami said:

“As I am always convinced, there is no sane people left in the opposition.”

Most of the bright and promising alternatives to Assad have either died or are dying in his dungeons, and even then Syria’s brightest still defy him.

And those “twisted obsessive activists” have filled the void of where your illegitimate state has denied the civilians some of which are the most basic necessities for survival.

Of course you would never find out that if you don’t bother to look beyond Zara and the various coffee shops you seem more interested in visiting.

September 14th, 2013, 1:04 am

 

Rancher said:

1215. apple_mini said:

“What a tragedy for Syria when you have an impotent corrupt regime being about to negotiate with a Frankenstein opposition.”

I’m not sure what there is to negotiate. The opposition wants an end to the regime, that’s certainly not negotiable. The regime want’s an end to the opposition, also non negotiable. It seems to me that the negotiations serve only one purpose, to keep the US from attacking, which we weren’t going to do anyway.

September 14th, 2013, 1:19 am

 

Syrian said:

The only card the regime has left is to draw out the negotiation of giving up his last card he had.Even that card is not in his hand but in Russia’s hand.
Our alternative is the fighting rebels,going as strong as they were before the CW Attack, those don’t answer to Obama,like Bashar has to answer to Russia.
When Alkhatib stuck his nick out for talk you ignored him, and he resigned and was not forced out.
Fanatics came after you slid the throat of Gyath Mattar who met your soldiers with flowers and before him you mutated a young boy named Hamza Alkhatib.
There were lots of sane oppositions. Most are held in your regime dungeons, because those are the real threat to him, so you can come here and argue that only insane oppositions are out there.
The twisted are people like Bouthina Sha’ban claiming Alawie kids were kidnaped from the coast all the way to eastern Ghuota to be gassed and regime supporters celebrating third death.
You are half right the tragedy of Syria is because of an important corrupted regime.

September 14th, 2013, 1:21 am

 

Syrian said:

Important =impotent

September 14th, 2013, 1:34 am

 

Sami said:

Rancher,

End of the regime ? dismantling of the State

There is room for negotiating but those that represent and are guilty of the most heinous crimes need to be brought to justice.

September 14th, 2013, 1:37 am

 

Hopeful said:

Assad is playing games. According to his own words in 2011.

Walters: You do, you do not think the United Nations is credible?
Assad: No.
Assad: Never it’s not something before my generation it’s something we inherited as a concept as a belief.
Walters: You have an ambassador to the United Nations.
Assad: Yeah, it’s a game we play. It doesn’t mean you believe in it.

September 14th, 2013, 1:47 am

 

Syrian said:

Rancher
The regime is not negotiating with the opposition about and an end to the fighting. he is negotiation with the US about a way out of a sure crime against humanity charges that will sure come one day, no matter how far that day is going to be.
That is why they offered something that no one even thought they will agree to so fast even when the US was not going to attack any way like you said.
That is why regime supporters are so dizzy, that CW was their last line of defense, they are now starting to realize that Bashar is selling them out also to save his neck

September 14th, 2013, 1:51 am

 

omen said:

an examination of bayda massacre:

Not all reactions followed sectarian lines. Survivors said Christian neighbors had helped survivors escape, and on Tuesday, Alawite and Christian residents of the province said they were starting an aid campaign for victims to “defy the sectarian wind.”

September 14th, 2013, 1:58 am

 
 

ghufran said:

fox news poll:

Who is in the driver’s seat on the Syria negotiations?

9%Bashar Assad

71%Vladimir Putin

3%Barack Obama

16%Nobody

( 4865 votes )

(Iran is not part of the negotiations, I say Keep the GCC and Turkey out of this and chances of a compromise will be greatly improved. Russia wants the regime or some of it but is not married to Assad, the US wants Assad out but is not stuck on uprooting the regime and is not married to the opposition. There is middle ground)

September 14th, 2013, 2:16 am

 

Hopeful said:

Evidence is being compiled about the regime’s atrocities:

http://youtu.be/sp22U837O5g

Zoo, do you still deny it? Is this a fabrication?

September 14th, 2013, 2:28 am

 

Tara said:

This constitutes the first time when Ban explicitly blames Assad for crimes against humanity.    

• UN secretary-general Ban Ki-moon said the UN has “overwhelming” evidence chemical weapons were used in Syria. The UN does not intend to identify a perpetrator but the evidence implicates Assad, a “Western official” said. Ban was overheard saying that Assad “has committed many crimes against humanity.”

September 14th, 2013, 8:35 am

 

Tara said:

While the deal does not authorize the use of force against the regime should it doesn’t comply, the US reserved its right to strike Batta on its own.  HeHe!  The regime definitely “won”.  It will surrender its chemical killing machine yet it remains under the threat of American strike if the process was not performed to the US taste.

Congrats for the regime for the victory it has achieved, under the auspice of its Russian patron,  losing its sovereignty.  Congrats for the regime for changing the situation from “unbelievably limited strike” aimed not to topple but rather to neutralize its chemical capability INTO “complete credible and verifiable” neutralization process while a threat of an American military strike still exists but now against a chemical-less regime.

If I was Kerry/Obama, I would press hard on Senate/congress vote of confidence just to have it for now, then embark on completely and verifiably neutralizing the chemical weapon capability of the regime.  Once that is completed,  I would invent a caucus belli of any sort and stike Batta to topple him if he is not perished by then.  After all justice must be served to Sara and her people.  

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/14/syris-crisis-us-russia-chemical-weapons-deal

Syria crisis: US and Russia agree chemical weapons deal

Speaking at a press conference in Geneva on Saturday after three days of talks, Kerry outlined the details of the deal as Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov looked on.

The deal “would allow us to expedite the elimination of Syria’s chemical weapons” which would protect the Syrian people, Syria’s neighbours and the world.

Kerry said the removal of chemical weapons would be “credible and verifiable” if fully implemented. “The world will now wait for the Assad regime to honour its commitments,” said Kerry. “There is no room for anything other than full compliance.”

Kerry said Russia and the US had agreed on the amount and type of Syria’s chemical weapon arsenal and committed to assuming control of it and eliminating it in the “soonest and safest” way.
….

Kerry said any violations will result in “measures” from the UN security council, while Lavrov said the violations must be sent to the security council from the board of the chemical weapons convention before sanctions short of the use of force would be considered.

Kerry said the inspectors must be on the ground by November and destruction or removal of the chemical weapons must be completed by mid-2014.

Lavrov called the agreements a “decision based on consensus and compromise and professionalism.”

“Any violations of procedures … would be looked at by the security council and if they are approved, the security council would take the required measures, concrete measures,” Lavrov said.

“Nothing is said about the use of force or about any automatic sanctions. All violations should be approved by the security council.”

However, Kerry said that the president of the US as the commander in chief retains the right to defend the US and its interests regardless of what happens in Congress.

He said that “depending on what Assad does” the threat of force remains open either to the security council or to the US and like-minded allies. Assad’s willingness to comply with the agreement will be “quickly put to the test”, he added.

September 14th, 2013, 9:20 am

 

zoo said:

Does the agreement, to remain valid, requires that Bashar al Assad and his goverment, signatory and guarantor be in charge until the end mid-2014, at least?

U.S., Russia reach agreement on destroying Syria’s chemical weapons

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/14/u-s-russia-reach-agreement-on-destroying-syrias-chemical-weapons/

The deal calls for international inspectors to be on the ground in Syria by November and to complete their initial work by the end of that that month. All of Syria’s chemical weapons stocks, material and equipment would have to be destroyed or removed by mid-2014.

September 14th, 2013, 9:22 am

 

zoo said:

#1126 Hopeful

Have you ever heard about a clean civil war? American civil war: 750,000 death and an enormous amount of massacres and horrors on both sides.

The main responsibility lays with the party that refuses to enter negotiations to stop the bloodshed by putting conditions on their outcome.

In the case of Syria, we all know that it’s the opposition that has consistently refused the negotiations called by the UN, by invoking all sorts of conditions and pretexts.

September 14th, 2013, 9:29 am

 

Observer said:

First let me share with you Juan Cole’s blog today

http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/displaced-massacre-american.html

It shows how little information the US has had on Syria. By that I mean how little the US public knows about the facts on the ground.

I also watched the Kerry Lavrov interview. Clearly the agenda is from Kerry. There will be unfettered access to all sites by inspectors. Including Athma’s walk in closet.

As for the political solution coming down the road; once you start giving up stuff, you cannot stop. Thouria Alathad is finished.

5 to 10 years it may take but it is utterly totally finished and the regime has lost the strategic battle to survive.

Go look at Juan Cole and he is not pro strike.

Cheers

September 14th, 2013, 9:36 am

 

zoo said:

Some FSA joining forces against a common enemy, Al Qaeda? A glimmer of hope?

“According to the statement, the two militant groups had collaborated with the Syrian army in an attack that killed two of ISIL’s leaders.”

Al-Qaeda declares war on Syria militants

13 September, 2013 07:41:00
http://www.military-world.net/Syria/5243.html

Al Qaeda-linked militants in Syria have declared an offensive against two other militant groups amid growing infighting among foreign-backed militants operating in the country.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has accused the Farouq and Nasr Battalions of attacking its forces and suggested they may have even collaborated with the Syrian government, Reuters news agency reported.

“ISIL in the eastern district of Aleppo announces the launch of the military offensive ‘Cleansing Evil’,” the group said in a statement on Thursday posted online.

“We will target regime collaborators, shabbiha (pro-regime militias), and those who blatantly attacked the Islamic State – in particular, the Farouq and Nasr Battalions. Their cowardly involvement and incitement has been proven,” the statement added.

According to the statement, the two militant groups had collaborated with the Syrian army in an attack that killed two of ISIL’s leaders.

Al-Qaeda-linked groups, including ISIL and al-Nusra Front, have fought deadly battles with other militant groups operating in Syria several times since the beginning of the unrest in the Arab country more than two years ago.

September 14th, 2013, 9:37 am

 

Afram said:

Brilliant Move. The Russian Alliance , for Syria, is infinitely more useful Strategically than any Chemical weapon. The “rebels” are now literally up sh!tcreek without a paddle.
the cannibals are desperately in need of a fresh Fatwa Kharadawi must be soiling his pants now. Peace on Earth, maybe, but the tide of war is ebbing.

September 14th, 2013, 9:39 am

 

Observer said:

Here we go again.

This is especially for those that refuse to watch and for hardly a massacre

http://www.channel4.com/news/syria-al-bayda-massacre-war-crime-video

September 14th, 2013, 9:45 am

 

zoo said:

Observer

It is obvious that Syria will never be the same after this civil war is over: The Baath party must reform, the system is now a multi party system. Other parties will emerge. The dynamics are different.
Yet looking around, we can make some observations.
In Egypt, the possible election of Sisi as a president is a continuation of the “military’ president tradition after the brief ‘islamist’ president.
Funnily in Lebanon, there is the same tradition with few exceptions.
It seems that in the region republics, the choice is limited to either an ‘islamist’ president, like in Turkey and Tunisia or a ‘military’ president
Overall it seems, until they prove the contrary, that the militaries are perceived are more trustworthy and more secular, especially in countries where democracy is still embryonic.
Therefore it is very probable that the next Syria president will come from the military. That will impact the whole governing system that will remaina authoritarian.
The hopes for a instant ‘democracy’ is Syria is a total illusion.

September 14th, 2013, 9:55 am

 

zoo said:

Inside Maaloula

September 14th, 2013, 10:04 am

 
 

zoo said:

Selim Idriss’s whining is getting more desperate

Syrian rebel leader says US-Russian deal a blow to uprising

The head of the opposition Syrian Supreme Military Council said on Sept.14 a U.S.-Russian agreement to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons was a blow to the two-and-a-half-year uprising to remove President Bashar al-Assad from power.

This is very complicated […] If investigators come, we will facilitate the mission. In the regions under our control there are no chemical weapons. I don’t know if this will just mean that investigators will pass through the regions that are under rebel control. We are ready.”

But another military council official, Qassim Saadeddine, said: “Let the Kerry-Lavrov plan go to hell. We reject it and we will not protect the inspectors or let them enter Syria.”

September 14th, 2013, 10:41 am

 

zoo said:

After a Kurd, now an Islamist. Welcome Ahmed Touma, the new Islamist PM to ‘run rebels areas’

Syrian opposition to choose prime minister in push for credibility

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-opposition-to-choose-prime-minister-in-push-for-credibility.aspx?pageID=238&nID=54437&NewsCatID=352


After a week of intense international negotiations that threatened to sideline the Western and Arab backed coalition in the wake of a nerve gas attack on Damascus that killed hundreds of people, coalition officials said they reached consensus that Ahmad Tumeh, an independent Islamist, will be appointed to run rebel-held areas where a decline into chaos threatens to undermine the opposition to President Bashar al-Assad.

September 14th, 2013, 10:48 am

 

zoo said:

Why is Ban Ki Moon accusing Bashar Al Assad now?

By openly throwing accusations on Bashar Al Assad of ‘crimes against humanity’ without throwing accusations on the rebels suspected of such crimes, Ban ki Moon seems to have compromised his neutrality as a UN chief.

That accusation on the president from the UN chief comes at a time where the UN is forced to deal with Bashar al Assad in organizing the CW destruction, and therefore obliged to give him the necessary legitimacy.

Then what were the possible reasons of Ban Ki Moon’s surprising burst of public condemnation?
These are the possibilities:

– It was an unwanted expression of his disappointment that the CW inspectors report does not clearly put the responsibility of the CW attack on Bashar al Assad.

– It was intended to warn Bashar al Assad that even if he agreed on the CW disarmement and is not proven to be directly responsible from the CW attack, he is still vulnerable to prosecution for ‘other crimes’. Therefore, in the coming Geneva conference, he should not come in a superior position and instead should yield to the request fo reliquinshing power.

Was Ban Ki Moon trying to compensate for the lack of conclusions pointing to Bashar al Assad’s responsibility in the UN CW inspectors report?

September 14th, 2013, 11:22 am

 

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?????? ??????: «??? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ????????? ?????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????? ?? ????????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ???????? ????????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??????».
????? ?????? ??? ??? «??? ???????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ????????? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?? ???????? ???? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ??????? ????????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ???????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????????? ??? ???????? ??????? ???? ??? ?????? ????????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????????».
????? ?????? ??? ?? «?? ???? ????? ???????? ????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ????????? ???? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???? ????? ??? ????????? ?????? ?????».

http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=2563&articleId=1134#.UjPOYqMo4fg

English translation:

http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=110043&cid=31&fromval=1&frid=31&seccatid=71&s1=1

September 14th, 2013, 11:25 am

 

zoo said:

Ban Ki-moon hopes to hold Geneva-2 on Syria in October
Posted: 09:15, 14/09/2013

http://newseurope.me/2013/09/14/ban-ki-moon-hopes-hold-geneva-2-syria-october/

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has announced that, in his opinion, the Geneva-2 international conference on Syria could take place in October 2013.

In an interview with the France 24 TV channel he pointed out that he has conducted talks with United Nations and Arab League special envoy for Syria Lakhdar Brahimi during which they scheduled the conference for October.

Ban Ki-moon said that they still need to elaborate the details, such as the composition of participants in the forum and, in particular, if Iran would participate in it.

Earlier the West was strictly opposed to Iran’s participation in the conference due to Tehran’s support of the Syrian regime.

September 14th, 2013, 11:35 am

 

zoo said:

Another explanation: Ban-Ki-Moon trying to remain relevant after the USA-Russia deal bypassed him

Amid US-Russia Deal on Syria, UN’s Whining Is High Pitched, BanKi-Leaks

http://www.innercitypress.com/syria1usdeal091413.html

UNITED NATIONS, September 14 — Amid complaints about the Syria deal the US and Russia cut in Geneva, the UN’s whining can only be heard, like a dog whistle, by a trained ear.

Secretary General Ban Ki-moon tried hard to be relevant. He held press conference at headquarters, which has been increasingly rare for him. So what if he only took two or five questions? He got television face time.

And US President Barack Obama in his prime time speech did finally get around to mentioning the UN, near the end of his speech. No mention of Ban Ki-moon, though: this was noticed.

On Friday Ban got TV face time for comments in a “closed” meeting of the Women’s International Forum, that his report, held back until Monday, will be “overwhelming” in showing the use of “chemical agents.”

Ban went on that Assad has committed many crimes against humanity and will face accountability. Click here for Inner City Press story, here for YouTube video.

September 14th, 2013, 11:53 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

By openly throwing accusations on Bashar Al Assad of ‘crimes against humanity’ without throwing accusations on the rebels suspected of such crimes, Ban ki Moon seems to have compromised his neutrality as a UN chief.

Nonsense. This is the weakest and lamest argument one can use to deflect attention from the war-criminal. It has been constantly used by the traditional “resistance + peace camp + anti-imperialists camp” approach. “why don’t you mention the crimes of so and so” and in fact it is childish and immature argumentation style.

To date, some of the rebels may have committed what may amount to war-crimes. But no accusation of “systematic” pattern of committing war crimes has been leveled against them, except with respect to a couple of groups, which are already labeled “terrorist groups”, other cases, while not few, remain isolated.

Neutrality does not mean that a high UN official should always list all sides of any conflict, even when the weight of evidence points “smack in the face” at one side, which in this case is the assad brutal and criminal regime.

Neutrality means that the UN official, when it is in her/his agency’s functional domain, has to prosecute war crimes committed by any side with the same zeal and it also means that the UN official does not take a side in the conflict. Accusing one side, who has constantly demonstrated propensity for carpet bombing civilian areas, for using chemical weapons, and for torturing and disappearing political opponents of its brutal mafia regime is not a violation of neutrality, it only becomes a violation when the UN Official denies the possibility that other sides, may also be subject to war crimes prosecution. The subject was chemical-assad. What Mr. Moon has done is nothing more than doing the minimum requirements of his job. If he has not accused chemical-assad of committing war crimes, he would be violating his oath.

September 14th, 2013, 12:06 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

And US President Barack Obama in his prime time speech did finally get around to mentioning the UN, near the end of his speech. No mention of Ban Ki-moon, though: this was noticed.

One more immature and childish comments and attempt to deflect the responsibility from the chemical-assad brutal and criminal regime, especially now that the UN would be the agency following up on chemical-assad capitulation. UN officials are no celebrities and they should care-less if their names are mentioned or not. It suffices to them for POTUS to recognize the UN role, which he has don quite demonstrably even to the chagrin of the opposition top chemical-assad brutal and criminal regime.

It is predictable that outfits such as those quoted by zoo to start now screeching with their usual “conspiracy” teen-style propaganda accusing the UNSG of being biased and irrelevant in preparation to level the same accusation against the UN and all of its agencies as some of these agencies will be the ones tying the noose around chemical-assad’s long neck. But it is useless to do so. Had it been useful, Saddam Husein would still be ruling Iraq.

September 14th, 2013, 12:29 pm

 

ziad said:

Syrian rebel groups sought sarin gas material, Turkish prosecutors say

Prosecutors in southern Turkey have alleged that Syrian rebel groups were seeking to buy materials that could be used to produce highly toxic sarin gas, Turkish media reported Friday.

An indictment issued in the southern city of Adana alleged that a Syrian national identified as Hytham Qassap, 35, was in Turkey trying to procure chemical materials for a pair of well-known Islamist rebel blocs, Al Nusra Front and the Ahrar al-Sham Brigades, the reports said. Washington has designated Al Nusra Front as a terrorist group linked to Al Qaeda.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syrian-rebels-sarin-gas-20130913,0,4224285.story

September 14th, 2013, 12:31 pm

 

Afram said:

Saudi spy cannibalist chief Bandar bin Sultan insults China,man/does Bandar know that the entire GCC population is less than the Visitors of Public Toilets in China at any given moment?

September 14th, 2013, 12:36 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

1. I wonder if AFRAM has witnessed Bandar Bin Sultan eating human flesh? and if so, where, and when?

2. That must be the moment after watching one of wet-pants chemical assad “interviews”

September 14th, 2013, 12:52 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

1230. zoo said:

#1126 Hopeful

Have you ever heard about a clean civil war? American civil war: 750,000 death and an enormous amount of massacres and horrors on both sides.

The main responsibility lays with the party that refuses to enter negotiations to stop the bloodshed by putting conditions on their outcome.

In the case of Syria, we all know that it’s the opposition that has consistently refused the negotiations called by the UN, by invoking all sorts of conditions and pretexts.

Civil wars are always bloody. Often the revenge wave after one side has won is the bloodiest phase.

Finland had a civil war in 1918. It was a normal class war between the working class (left, reds) and the more “wealthier” side (whites). In the actual fighting, which took four months, died around 10,000 (including my great uncle (on the white side)). In the revenge mass executions and on concentration camps (hunger, deceases) after the fighting died around 25,000. Comparably to the population size of Syria the total number of killed would have been 250,000 – 300,000.

After the war the relations between the winning side, whites, and reds (social democrats and communists) were rather tense and people had much bitterns (some of which still almost one hundred years later exists).

21 yeas later Stalin’s Soviet Union decided to bring “democracy” (well communism) to the working class of Finland. 99.9 percent of those leftists whose brothers and fathers had been slaughtered in the mass executions and on prison camps went to fight – on Finland’s side – voluntarily and without questions. Soviet Union was prepared to a fast victory, troops had plans for victory celebrations and parades in Helsinki. After fierce fighting of 105 days, where whole Soviet divisions were totally wiped out, peace was made and Finland could hold its independence, though loosing a considerable piece of Finland (many times Golan), 12 percent of the country’s land area.

Finnish expats around the world, even communists, did not write of their desire of the regime change and did not encourage Soviet Union to bomb Finland. Only some of those Finnish Communists, who had fled to Soviet Union after the civil war and survived in Stalin’s “ideological” cleaning operations, were like those now hysterically demanding American “democracy” cruise missiles, cluster bombs and troops.

September 14th, 2013, 12:53 pm

 

ghufran said:

Ahmad Ti’meh (new NC PM)talks about himself to aksalser:

Idris repeated his rejection of the US-Russian agreement increasing chances that his troops will join Nusra and ISIS, that is exactly what the regime wants to prove to the West that its opponents are terrorists.

look at this team of stooges:
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Jordan’s ruling elite has been a hooker for hire since before 1970 , UAE can not run away from big daddy, KSA. The evil of KSA is too hard to hide and the French president is another proof that France lost its relevance.

September 14th, 2013, 1:54 pm

 

Afram said:

1248. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
1. I wonder if AFRAM has witnessed Bandar Bin Sultan eating human flesh? and if so, where, and when?
———-
for your information,Beheadings are not such a hit,outside KSA. cutting people’s chests to satisfy a hunger for hearts and livers DOES NOT MAKE THE WORLD DROOL!
Sawing off heads with bread-knives is not ATTRACTIVE. You are only popular where the mentality is the same/ fortunately very very few places.
Only,who lost their sense of smell can actually greet Bandar.
The french,because of their high quality of perfume actually spray their chambers with a few hunderd litres so they can meet him for a few minutes. All at KSA and gulf expense, of course

September 14th, 2013, 2:01 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

OBSERVER, Judging by her propensity for being shopaholic, the investigators must be given unfettered access to Athma’s Drive Through closet. The walk in closet is probably only for ugly shoes.

September 14th, 2013, 2:14 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

It is attractive to you Afram, it seems the only topic of concern to you, including the gory details.

September 14th, 2013, 2:16 pm

 

zoo said:

Heads up

You are doing a good job at manipulating the Thumbs in favor of the pro-rebels.

I guess this is part of the “boycott” of SyriaComment that your “benefactors” have announced and that you and your ghost team are implementing diligently.

The trouble is that the events, as they are unraveling, shows a totally different picture of the one you are trying to convince us of,
You are certainly succeeding in destroying the purpose of SC.
Well done.

September 14th, 2013, 2:26 pm

 

ziad said:

James Woods tweets photo of girl chained to fence by Syrian rebels

Actor James Woods is no fan of the Obama administration or backing Syrian rebels as the country continues to suffer the ravages of war amidst internal conflict. On Friday, Sept. 13, 2013, Woods tweeted a photo that is currently making viral rounds with conservative bloggers and outspoken critics of military involvement in Syria from those who feel it is simply a bad idea to engage in more war to those who allege there are conspiracies at work. The validity of the photo has yet to be proved; but that doesn’t discredit its validity. The photo shows a young girl, chained to a fence, reportedly by Syrian rebels who were executing her parents and forcing her to watch the horrific scene.

http://www.examiner.com/article/syria-james-woods-tweets-photo-of-girl-chained-to-fence-by-syrian-rebels

September 14th, 2013, 2:27 pm

 

ziad said:

As Talks Open in Geneva, US Begins Direct Arming of Syrian Militias

As US and Russian negotiators arrived in Geneva yesterday for talks ostensibly aimed at forestalling war against Syria, US officials announced that they were beginning to directly arm and supply the Islamist opposition inside Syria.

Over the last two years, the CIA has overseen the arming of the opposition militias with weapons paid for by Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf oil sheikdoms like Qatar and transferred clandestinely via a network of bases in Turkey, Eastern Europe, and the Arab countries. Now, however, US taxpayer funds will go to arming opposition fighters allied or directly affiliated to Al Qaeda.

According to initial estimates by US officials, Washington will spend $250 million overall on aid to these forces. The CIA is delivering various light weapons and ammunition, though opposition spokesmen criticized the weapons shipments as “symbolic,” demanding that the US provide them anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles.

The US State Department is also providing vehicles, sophisticated communications equipment, and advanced medical kits.

Washington’s arming of the so-called rebels shows that its shift to holding talks with Russia over Syria was carried out in bad faith. The Obama administration agreed to Moscow’s offer to discuss destroying Syrian chemical weapons this week, as it became clear that the US Congress would likely vote down a resolution authorizing a Syrian war opposed by the overwhelming majority of the American people. However, this tactical maneuver did not signify any fundamental shift in the US war drive.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/as-talks-open-in-geneva-us-begins-direct-arming-of-syrian-militias/5349683

September 14th, 2013, 2:32 pm

 

Afram said:

@1253 HAMSTER: gory?Allahu Akbar!!
cold beer N some salted peanuts,what Im having right now…Bisi7tak!

September 14th, 2013, 2:32 pm

 

zoo said:

1250. ghufran said:

“Ahmad Ti’meh (new NC PM)talks about himself to aksalser:”

Amazing charisma!

September 14th, 2013, 2:38 pm

 

ziad said:

Syria Deal Needs to Face Down US Terror

September 13, 2013 “Information Clearing House – Russia’s diplomatic efforts to avert a potential international conflagration over Syria are to be lauded. But it would be preferable if Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and others in Moscow refrained from referring to US officials as “our American partners.”

Washington is not a “partner” or “colleague” to anyone who is serious about upholding international law and peace. Its behavior is that of an outlaw state that needs to be faced down, not pandered to.

Ironically, Washington says that the world needs to take a tough stance towards President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, otherwise other alleged tyrants will be emboldened. The truth is that the world needs to take a tough stand on Washington to curb its predatory aggression that seems to know no bounds.

Lavrov and his American counterpart John Kerry are currently holding talks in Geneva in a bid to come up with a credible formula by which the Syrian government can hand over its stockpile of chemical weapons.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36223.htm

September 14th, 2013, 2:45 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Beer Chugging Afram

Beer? and peanuts…

Bringing the lousy noise of rowdy sports bars to my house is not my idea of relaxing. Mine is a double shot of 18 year aged smoky single malt, served sometimes with raw salmon or better yet thin slices of genuine Smoked Spanish Prosciutto. With every bite and sip, one feels like shouting Hail Mary.

For now, it is too early in the day to drink for me, so enjoy the rowdy sports bar alone.

September 14th, 2013, 2:49 pm

 

zoo said:

McCaim most welcomed to reply to Putin in Pravda


“Mr. McCain has been an active anti-Russian politician for many years already,” said Dmitry Sudakov, the English editor of Pravda.ru, as cited by the Foreign Policy’s blog, The Cable. “We have been critical of his stance on Russia and international politics in our materials, but we would be only pleased to publish a story penned by such a prominent politician as John McCain.”

Sudakov said that he is convinced that he would not agree on many things that the American politician would have to say in his column, but his article would “obviously be published in English” and then also translated into Russian.

When The Cable reached the Senator’s office with the news, McCain’s spokesman said that he “would be glad to write something for Pravda, so we’ll be reaching out to Dmitry with a submission.” According to spokesman Rogers, McCain would most likely want to address such issues as democracy and human rights in Russia, “and certainly Putin’s regime aiding and abetting of the Syrian regime, which has killed 100,000 of its own people.”

September 14th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

ziad said:

Defeating AIPAC Starts with Syria

There is in today’s world no Carthage to serve as a counterpoint to America’s new Rome, but in a nation where corruption enabled by the art of lobbying has become so refined that interest groups are able to dominate the political discourse the real enemy is internal. It is plausible to argue that the nation’s legislature is only marginally answerable to the citizens that have elected it. This has nowhere been more evident than in the still ongoing debate over America going to war against Syria, which the White House intends to initiate to establish its “credibility” in spite of the clear evidence that Damascus poses no actual threat to the United States or its interests. Even if one considers a government killing its own citizens as humanitarian grounds for outside military intervention, which I do not, the White House has failed to produce any compelling evidence that the Syrian government actually used chemical weapons against its own people. Ordinary American citizens have responded to the mess of pottage they have been served by writing and calling their congressmen and, overwhelmingly, saying “no.” Even normally bellicose evangelical Christians are surprisingly nearly two to one opposed. But still congress dithers.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has weighed into the debate big time, unleashing hundreds of its activists on Capitol Hill, buttonholing congressmen and staffers alike. This is how it works according to a congressional staffer: “First come the phone calls from constituents who are AIPAC members. They know the Congressman and are nice and friendly and just tell him, or whichever staffer the constituent knows, just how important this vote is to him and his friends back in the district. Then the donors call. The folks who have hosted fundraisers. They are usually not only from the district but from New York or LA or Chicago. They repeat the message: this vote is very important. Contrary to what you might expect, they do not mention campaign money. They don’t have to. Because these callers are people who only know the Congressman through their checks, the threat not to write any more of them is implicit. Like the constituents, the donors are using AIPAC talking points which are simple and forceful. You can argue with them but they keep going back to the script… Then there are the AIPAC lobbyists, the professional staffers. They come in, with or without appointments. If the Congressman is in, they expect to see him immediately. If not, they will see a staffer. If they don’t like what they hear, they will keep coming back. They are very aggressive, no other lobby comes close. They expect to see the Member, not mere staff. Then there are the emails driven by the AIPAC website…and then the ‘Dear Colleague’ letters from Jewish House members saying how important the vote is for Israel and America. They also will buttonhole the Members on the House floor… And, truth be told, all the senior Jewish Members of the House are tight with AIPAC. Also, the two biggest AIPAC enforcers, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and his Democratic counterpart, Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, are fierce AIPAC partisans, and they make sure to seek out Members on the floor to tell them how they must vote. On anything related to Israel, they speak in one voice: AIPAC’s. Obviously, there is no counterpart to this on the antiwar side. No anti-AIPAC to speak of. AIPAC owns this issue. It gets what it wants.”

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36218.htm

September 14th, 2013, 2:58 pm

 

zoo said:

Peaceful Syrian Opposition Ignored by Peace Laureate Obama – an Exclusive WHY Interview
By Dave Lindorff on Sep 12, 2013

As Syrian expatriate Dr. Rim Turkmani was watching President Barack Obama give his brief nationally televised address to the American people and the people of the world last night, she says she had two contradictory feelings. “I felt good that it was not a war speech,” says this British-based member of the political office of an organization called The Syrian State Current, a movement that is seeking non-violent democratic change in Syria. “But what upset me was his repeated referring to what is happening in Syria as a ‘civil war.’ There is an element of civil war in the violence in Syria, but more importantly it is a proxy war between the US and Russia, and it has to be acknowledged that the US and Russia are the key players.”

Dr. Turkmani is an astrophysicist who teaches at Britain’s Imperial College in London. As a native of Homs, a city leveled by Hafez al-Assad, father of Syria’s current leader Bashar al-Assad, in the worst atrocity in modern Syrian history, she knows the evils the regime is capable of. She spoke with WhoWhatWhy’s Dave Lindorff the other day about the Syrian crisis.

Read the interview:
http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/09/12/peaceful-syrian-opposition-ignored-by-peace-laureate-obama-an-exclusive-why-interview/

September 14th, 2013, 3:13 pm

 

zoo said:

Long overdue move: No to political Islam. This should be applied in all Moslem countries

“Mosques are for da’wa, not politics”

Egypt forms committee to keep politics out of mosques
http://www.aawsat.net/2013/09/article55316758

Awqaf minister says decision to ban unlicensed preachers aims to protect moderate ideology of Al-Azhar

Cairo, Asharq Al-Awsat—Just days after Egypt’s military-backed interim government cracked down on unlicensed religious preachers, banning them from delivering sermons in a move seen as a further blow to the ailing Muslim Brotherhood, Awqaf (Religious Endowments) minister Dr. Mohamed Mokhtar Gomaa announced the formation of a special committee to ensure that mosque pulpits are not used for political purposes.

He said: “The ministry is in the process of forming a committee to monitor what is happening in the larger mosques and ensure that da’wa [proselytizing] there does not transgress the boundaries into political or partisan work, with any official found guilty of this being immediately held to account.”

“The ministry belongs to the people, and there is no room for political work here. Mosques are for da’wa, not politics,” he added.

September 14th, 2013, 3:51 pm

 

zoo said:

1254. zoo said:

Heads up

You are doing a good job at manipulating the Thumbs in favor of the pro-rebels.

I guess this is part of the “boycott” of SyriaComment that your “benefactors” have announced and that you and your ghost team are implementing diligently.

The trouble is that the events, as they are unraveling, shows a totally different picture of the one you are trying to convince us of,
You are certainly succeeding in destroying the purpose of SC.
Well done.

Thumb up 7 Thumb down 18

September 14th, 2013, 3:52 pm

 

ziad said:

Watch and listen to the new rejuvenated, hair and moustache colored Idriss. It is more entertaining than the stooges

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September 14th, 2013, 4:01 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria: Al-Qaeda Looking for Local Mujahideen

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syria-al-qaeda-looking-local-mujahideen
Published Friday, September 13, 2013

The number of foreigners flocking to fight in Syria is on the decline, and with it, the extent of areas under al-Qaeda’s control in the embattled country. Local mujahideen are now in high demand.

Activists familiar with the two groups spoke to Al-Akhbar, saying that al-Nusra Front and ISIS, like other armed factions in Syria, are constantly seeking to recruit more fighters with a view to expand their territorial holdings. Consequently, the two groups are looking to attract local “mujahideen,” especially in rural areas.

September 14th, 2013, 4:03 pm

 

zoo said:

1266. ziad

Poor Selim Idriss. Now he accuses Lavrov and Putin of being terrorists and having been “bribed” By Rami Makhlouf!

The guy has become a total lunatic.
How more ridiculous can the opposition leadership become?

September 14th, 2013, 4:07 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

zouzou is free to trust the judgement of someone whose deep knowledge of syria is very clear in their writings

As a native of Homs, a city leveled by Hafez al-Assad, father of Syria’s current leader Bashar al-Assad, in the worst atrocity in modern Syrian history, she knows the evils the regime is capable of.

I personally would not. The insult is not the writing, but in zouzou, parroting it without noticing the “spactual” error

September 14th, 2013, 4:08 pm

 

Tara said:

Would McCain stoop to Putin’s level?

He should try. Low life does not understand any other language. The problem is that some people can’t even when they try. McCain should explicitly tell the Russians what we really think of their country.

John McCain to write for Pravda in response to Putin’s Times op-ed
Spokesman says Arizona senator ‘will submit a piece’ after Russian president’s controversial New York Times byline

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/13/john-mccain-pravda-article-putin-times

September 14th, 2013, 4:09 pm

 

Afram said:

1260. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
Beer Chugging Afram
Beer? and peanuts…
Bringing the lousy noise of rowdy sports bars to my house is not my idea of relaxing. .
————
I like rowdy sports bars !!
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Mowing a giant lawn today deserves a cold beer.
Smoked Spanish Prosciutto?you are my kind of secularist…hope Allah Akbar doesn’t get mad at you for eating pork,you know the Thumbs manipulater.

My art of Drink/Neat,60 year old Johnnie Walker Blue Label.

Come on down to DC, got ya Serving you Syrian hospitality

September 14th, 2013, 4:11 pm

 

zoo said:

#1269 Hammy

I never parrot, I report the article as it is published.

September 14th, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

AFRAM

Didn’t know mowing a giant lawn was involved. Well, in that case, well done and a cold beer isn’t only appropriate but well earned. Do enjoy it.

Save that Johnny Walker, you never know when I may drop by with a nice cut of Smoked Spanish Prosciutto, we’ll slice each to his taste.

September 14th, 2013, 4:28 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ziad
Why don’t you do what most revolutionaries i know did?
challenge Salim Idrees to show “their evidence”!

Zoo
Committees will do a squat if Azhar did not reform itself first. It was and remains where most of the top leaders of the MB get educated in religious matters and it remains the biggest hurdle confronting improvement of Personal Status Laws in Egypt. If Sisi thinks that he can use Azhar to push a political agenda by allowing them to establish their own inquisition, he is a bigger fool than what I thought he is. These guys will wrap him and ten like him on their fingers. Stupid move to give them more power than they already have.

September 14th, 2013, 4:36 pm

 

Tara said:

What Vladimir Putin didn’t tell the American people about Syria

President Putin should give more credit to his audience: Russia will be judged by its actions, both on the international arena and domestically. So far, Russia has been a key obstacle to ending the suffering in Syria. A change towards a more constructive role would be welcome. But a compilation of half-truths and accusations is not the right way to signal such a change.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/vladimir-putin-new-york-times-oped-syria

It’s not what Vladimir Putin’s New York Times op-ed says that’s so worrisome; it’s what it doesn’t say. As a Russian and as someone who has been to Syria multiple times since the beginning of the conflict to investigate war crimes and other violations, I would like to mention a few things Putin overlooked …

There is not a single mention in Putin’s article, addressed to the American people, of the egregious crimes committed by the Syrian government and extensively documented by the UN Commission of Inquiry, local and international human rights groups, and numerous journalists: deliberate and indiscriminate killings of tens of thousands of civilians, executions, torture, enforced disappearances and arbitrary arrests. His op-ed also makes no mention of Russia’s ongoing transfer of arms to Assad throughout the past two and a half years.

The Russian president strategically emphasizes the role of Islamic extremists in the Syrian conflict. Yes, many rebel groups have committed abuses and atrocities. Yet Putin fails to mention that it is the Syrian government that is responsible for shooting peaceful protesters (before the conflict even started) and detaining and torturing their leaders – many of whom remain detained – and that the continued failure of the international community to respond to atrocities in Syria allows crimes on all sides to continue unaddressed.

Putin’s plea to use the United Nations security council to resolve the conflict sounds great, until you remember that, from the very start of this conflict, Russia has vetoed or blocked any security council action that may bring relief to Syria’s civilians or bring perpetrators of abuses in Syria to account.

Read more.

September 14th, 2013, 4:48 pm

 

Ziad said:

SYRIAN HAMSTER #1274 said:

“Ziad
Why don’t you do what most revolutionaries i know did?
challenge Salim Idrees to show “their evidence”!”

There is an Arabic saying “An insane person tells a story and a sane person believes it”. Do you really believe Makhlouf has the billions to bribe Putin/Lavrove? The last estimate I heard before the revolution was he is worth 1.5B$. He must be now worth much less. Do you really believe that Putin/Lavrove can be bribed by an insignificant Syrian businessman?

If Idriss has any dignity, wouldn’t you expect him to publish his prove immediately to prevent looking like an idiot?

September 14th, 2013, 4:50 pm

 

omen said:

1181. Sami said: I know many rich Syrians that not only have they financially sacrificed to help their fellow Syrians most in need, but some that paid with the most valuable thing they can and that is their lives.

thank you for noting that. while i have defended expats who have sent much financial support, didn’t know some of the wealthy have actually put their lives on the line for the cause.

while i was aiming at hardly-a-massacre, my beef mostly with western oligarchs who do not want to see assad removed.

September 14th, 2013, 4:53 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ziad,
Why would i even challenge a statement I believe?
I am challenging not only Idrees but every Syrian, including yourself, to grow up beyond conspiracy theories as a metaphysical explanation that can be customized to every incident beyond their grasp, especially those incidents which if well examined will only expose the individual and collective deficiencies. It has much less to do with dignity than with the national victim-hood broohaha every arab, especially Syrians has been fed over fifty years by non other than those you have been defending.

September 14th, 2013, 4:54 pm

 

Afram said:

1273. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

AFRAM

Save that Johnny Walker, you never know when I may drop by with a nice cut of Smoked Spanish Prosciutto, we’ll slice each to his taste.
????? ? ?????

September 14th, 2013, 4:55 pm

 

Ziad said:

SYRIAN HAMSTER

Good for you. Go ahead an challenge Idrees to show his evidence to this absurd story, and let’s see what he got or does not have.

September 14th, 2013, 5:01 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

AFRAM
???????
?????

September 14th, 2013, 5:03 pm

 

Alan said:

Senator McCain must take the entire world as FOOLS! He claims his terrorists organization known as the “Free Syrian Army” are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda. He must have missed the recent video from General Idris Deputy of the Supreme Military Council JOINING forces with Al-Qaeda. Guess its time to remind him of the fact.

Trying to deny it with all your might Senator McCain, does not make it a fact as much as it discredits you, what you have to say, and all that you stand for. Your Al-Qaeda linked terrorists are now OFFICIALLY joined to Al-Qaeda! Stop lying to the people of America, let alone the world. It merely makes YOU look bad! Stop SUPPORTING TERRORISM!
http://youtu.be/NVZ6B5HvGCo?t=1s

September 14th, 2013, 5:04 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ziad
We did, and by we I mean myself as well as many of the fiercest and steadiest anti-regime pro-revolution people I have known. But I am not expecting any evidence, and even if evidence is presented, it will most likely be laughable and a joke like the original accusation.

September 14th, 2013, 5:08 pm

 

Ziad said:

SYRIAN HAMSTER

You lost me. Are you admitting the Idrees’ accusation is laughable and a joke?

September 14th, 2013, 5:15 pm

 

omen said:

1270. Tara said: Would McCain stoop to Putin’s level? He should try. Low life does not understand any other language. The problem is that some people can’t even when they try. McCain should explicitly tell the Russians what we really think of their country.

mccain should have demanded equal time on regime tv.

September 14th, 2013, 5:19 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

As a secularist, I am equal opportunity. Here is a story to contemplate

Non of my Christian, Muslim, and Atheist buddies is a Cannibal… but this man is.

September 14th, 2013, 5:20 pm

 

Tara said:

Funny how a regimist can be lost with the simplest of a concept.

September 14th, 2013, 5:22 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ziad,
I am not surprised you are lost. To admit means that I had first denied, but that is not the case. I stated, and thus it is not an admission, but is a statement of a fact. When I signed up to be a rational person, i also signed up against all idolization, be it wet-pants chemical assad, or Idrees. You see, I never put too much stock in a person, I only put stock and bet on the people. The real people. This is what I like about the Syrian Revolution, what you may call leaderless, i see as fierce independence, sometimes misguided, but much needed. Heck, we “revolutionaries” did not revolt only against the pathetic wet-pants chemical-assad, but against what it represents. Idrees’s accusation today was a reflection of the education he received at school, in the military academy, and evenings of chats with fellow officers of wet-pants chemical-assad and its father’s sneaker army.

September 14th, 2013, 5:26 pm

 
 

omen said:

if you’re bitter about world leaders providing regime cover with this cw charade…

https://twitter.com/AmalHanano/statuses/378202203770478592?tw_i=378202203770478592&tw_e=details&tw_p=twt

September 14th, 2013, 5:30 pm

 

Alan said:

The people of the United States have, for the first time in decades, stopped a war that their president wanted to pursue. That is a huge victory and a precedence. They should remember it well when the next manufactured war on this or that small country comes up. They have the power to stop it.
This was an incredible development.
And what was interesting is that the resistance didn’t take people marching in the streets. Merely opinion polls, and a unique political coalition of far right and far left .

September 14th, 2013, 5:33 pm

 

zoo said:

U.S.-Russian deal infuriates Syria’s opposition warmongers, gives hope to political solution

Sep 15,2013
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=167117

EXILED OPPOSITION INFURIATED

After pinning huge hopes on the planned U.S. intervention, the exiled opposition and its armed wing in Syria seem to have found themselves alienated after the new deal that deflated their long- awaited dream of watching the U.S. Tomahawk raining down Damascus.

During a press conference of the Western-backed Syria’s National Coalition (SNC), the main opposition umbrella in exile, Salim Idris, general of the rebel Free Syrian Army, rejected the American-Russian agreement and refused to declare a ceasefire with the government troops.

Striking a muscular tone, Idris said the deal was only between the United States and Russia, and that the Syrian opposition does not accept it. On the contrary, he said they would continue fighting on the ground against the government forces.

He further tried to stir up new baseless accusations that the Syrian government had started to get rid of its chemical stockpiles by giving it to his allies in Lebanon and Iraq.

Moreover, and in an apparent move to show consistency after numerous faltering attempts, the SNC named Ahmad Tumeh al-Khader, a veteran opposition figure, as the interim “prime minister.”

The SNC has previously elected Ghassan Hitto as an interim leader, but the attempt was themed with abject failure as Hitto resigned recently after failing to form a government.

Sami Klaib, a Lebanese journalist and political expert, said the most important result of the Russian-American deal is: ” Washington has restarted recognizing the Syrian administration, otherwise, why would it ask it to join the chemical weapons treaty. “

September 14th, 2013, 6:47 pm

 

zoo said:

Syrian opposition stands to lose in U.S-Russian deal to disarm Assad

WASHINGTON — The U.S.-Russian deal to seize Syria’s chemical weapons is likely to keep Bashar Assad in office for at least many months to come in a major setback for Syrian opposition figures who now face the prospect of negotiating with what they fear will be an emboldened regime with its superior military intact.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/14/202175/syrian-opposition-stands-to-lose.html#storylink=cpy

September 14th, 2013, 6:52 pm

 

zoo said:

Obama have rendered a huge service to Israel: There is no more threats from chemical weapons, as this was the major fear of the Israelis.

The next urgent ssue Obama must work on is to find a way to destroy Al Qaeda’s presence that is also a threat to Israel, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon.
In view of the weakness of the rebels and their lack of organization, the only way is to….to re-enforce the Syria, Lebanese and the Iraqi Army.
The USA, UK and France will enhance the Iraqi and Lebanese army while Russia will offer better weapons to the Syrian army.

The rebel fighters militia will get weapons only if their commanders commit to fight against at Al Qaeda and not the SAA.

As Idriss supports Al Nusra, he’ll get nothing. He is now totally irrelevant, this is why he is furious and babbles

With time the rebels fighters will have to choose , either re-integrate the SAA and be amnistied or join Al Qaeda and be killed.

The “revolution” is over.

September 14th, 2013, 7:18 pm

 

Tara said:

Janet Daily should be the one writing in the Pravada

Poker-face Putin holds all the cards
The old imperial Russia, without even the ideological gloss of communism, is on the march

Read more at: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10308786/Poker-face-Putin-holds-allthe-cards.html

So this was always the plan, plotted three moves ahead by the clever American president, who was only pretending to be indecisive, quixotic and out of his depth. By sort-of threatening military intervention and then appearing to back down at the last minute, the US was not dithering or tripping over its own feet on the world stage. Oh no. It was creating the necessary conditions for Bashar al-Assad and his Russian mentors to come to the table and begin the process of submitting themselves to international standards on chemical weapons. Of course, if we pursue the chess analogy, then the first clever move was really Assad’s. By using chemical weapons, he created the necessary conditions by which the US would be forced to engage in these negotiations, which will almost certainly protect his regime from removal by the West, and will guarantee his Russian friends a place on the highest global platform.
Assad the war criminal, presiding over his little tinpot dictatorship, can now present his demands (for no more threats of military intervention, and no help to Syria’s rebels) to the world’s only remaining superpower in return for handing over weapons that are illegal anyway. The man who holds an illicit armoury can use that cache of arms as a bargaining chip to protect his own future. And Putin, the ex-KGB autocrat presiding over a country with a dying population, a failing economy and a defunct military – who was once cast by Obama as beyond the pale because of his unacceptable human-rights record – can bluster and preen as he delivers peace in our time. Yes indeed, it’s all going according to plan.

September 14th, 2013, 7:36 pm

 

SANDRO LOEWE said:

CW will be delivered by Assad. Later Allies will probably attack by different means with increasing intensity until Assad Criminal Mafia collapses.

There is no other choice at this moment. Assad staying in power would mean a decaying situation leading to unstability all around and in Israel borders too.

September 14th, 2013, 8:04 pm

 

omen said:

good discussion by yasser munif about how syrians are self organizing.

is he moderately known?

so sick of critics posturing syria will disintegrate without assad in charge.

September 14th, 2013, 8:10 pm

 

Syrialover said:

It’s hard to stomach the ignorance and selective sympathies of international public figures who say Syrians opposing Assad are tied up with dangerous Islamists.

Evidence to the contrary is enormous, plus common sense should suggest the real story.

The mainstream media, UN and western parliaments should instead be headlining a comparison with what recently happened in Mali, West Africa:

– a regional tribal rebellion in Mali was hijacked by extremist Islamists from all over. Original rebels sidelined or disarmed and chased off by incoming jihadists.

– vicious fighting by jihadists with arms from Libya etc against government forces. Towns and large areas of territory taken over.

– Malians in areas occupied by Islamists subjected to extremist brutality and repression. Heritage buildings, cultural treasures and famous ancient libraries destroyed by occupying Islamists (check out what happened to Timbuktu).

– idiotic Islamists also find it too hard to maintain electricity, water and food supplies. Local schools, hospitals, businesses and services abandoned.

– French respond to pleas from Malians and leaders of neighboring countries (also feeling threatened) to send in troops to help chase them off, as they couldn’t deal with them unaided. French succeed in helping get rid of them.

– old colonial resentments against French not an issue, just desperate gratitude by locals. Extraordinary scenes of huge crowds of emotional Malians thanking French PM when he visits.

COMMENT: Syrians are being doubly victimized, by the Assad regime + Islamists – both the world’s worst tyrsnts with no interest or sympathy for the people of Syria.

Most Syrians would accept help from anyone to help them get rid of the Islamists.

But the Islamists can never be removed while Assad is there. The two are intertwined, feeding off each other.

September 14th, 2013, 8:59 pm

 

Ziad said:

A Short History Of The War On Syria – 2006-2014

In 2006 the U.S. was at war in Iraq. Some of the enemy forces it very much struggled to fight against were coming in through Syria. The same year Israel lost a war against Hizbullah. Its armored forces were ambushed whenever they tried to push deeper into Lebanon while Hizbullah managed to continuously fire rockets against Israeli army position and cities. Hizbullah receives supply for its missile force from Syria and from Iran through Syria. Its long-term plans to attack Iran and to thereby keep supremacy in the Middle East depend on severing Hizbullah’s supply routes. The sectarian Sunni Gulf countries, mainly Saudi Arabia, saw their Sunni brethren defeat in Iraq and a Shia government, supported by Iran, taking over the country. All these countries had reason to fight Syria. There were also economic reasons to subvert an independent Syria. A gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey was competing with one from Iran to Syria. Large finds of natural gas in the coastal waters of Israel and Lebanon make such finds in Syrian waters quite plausible.

In late 2006 the United States started to finance an external opposition to Syria’s ruling Baath party. Those exiles were largely members of the Muslim Brotherhood which had been evicted from Syria after their bloody uprising against the Syrian state between 1976 and 1982 had failed. In 2007 a plan for regime change in Syria was agreed upon between the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia. The aim was to destroy the “resistance” alliance of Hizbullah, Syria and Iran:

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-history-of-the-war-on-syria-2006-2014.html

September 14th, 2013, 11:21 pm

 

Ziad said:

Al Qaeda-linked Syrian rebels kill 7 women, 4 children in Alawite village: report

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/al-qaeda-linked-syrian-rebels-kill-7-women-4-child/#ixzz2esdDLIYH

Al Qaeda-linked Syrian rebels force Christian to convert at gunpoint: ‘He’s one of ours now’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/11/al-qaeda-linked-syrian-rebels-force-christian-conv/

September 15th, 2013, 12:08 am

 

Ghufran said:

Putin wants to include Iran in any future settlement about Syria because he believes that the environment is now suitable for a regional deal that breaks the stalemate about Iran’s nuclear ambitions. If Putin succeeds that will leave GCC and Turkey alone in their efforts to keep Syria’s war raging. Turkey’s logistical support for the rebels and GCC’s money , and assad’s presence at the helm, are the main factors that feed Nusra and ISIS, the price GCC and Turkey want to play along is an agreement that leaves Assad out, the calls to uproot the regime as a whole have little support now after the opposition and the rebels failed to topple the regime and win public support. The losers if Putin’s plan goes forward will be the Palestinians, the NC and probably Assad, it is not yet clear whether Russia is ready to pressure Assad to leave, however, removing Assad is important to end this war, like it or not, finding an acceptable formula that keeps face for both sides will be a major challenge. I hope Assad supporters manage to understand that Syria’s future is more important than one person or one family.

September 15th, 2013, 1:07 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Sandro
Couldn’t agree more. Continued presence of wet-pants chemical-assad is a poisonous factor and it is the main inhibitor of any meaningful negotiation

Ghufran
Blind contempt to GCC is causing much of the confusion and inability to deal with the issue of the terrorist groups who have infiltrated the Syrian Revolution. Turkey has nothing to do with them, and not all GCC countries are involved in funding them. One country is and it has yet to be confronted by all.

September 15th, 2013, 1:37 am

 

Ghufran said:

GCC regimes have done a lot of damage, most Syrians resent those Bedouins and some consider them worse than Israel, if those sheikhs want democracy and freedom they would have offered that to their citizens. KSA in particular harbor a poisonous mix of Wahhabism and petro dollars. One ominous sign of those regimes’ intentions was their support for Islamists and their animosity towards Christians and secular figures. Let them keep buying Europe but they need to leave Syria alone.

September 15th, 2013, 1:47 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1303 Ghufran

“most Syrians resent those Bedouins and some consider them worse than Israel…”

GCC countries are no democracy paradise for sure, but over the past 25 years, while the regimes of Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, etc., were busy suppressing their people and wasting their money on weapons, these “Bedouins” have been busy building their economies, educating their people, and investing globally.

Have you seen/been to the vibrant economies of Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Doha lately?
Do you know who is buying the cheap underpriced European assets today?
Have you heard/seen the movie “Wadjda”? Do you know who made it?
Do you know how many viewers watch Aljazeera every day?

Of course money helps. But you and I know that money without good vision and proper management is worthless. Look at Iraq under Saddam – we know how that turned out. We now see the same thing in Syria. The billions spent on airplanes, tanks and chemical weapons (the billions that did not go into the pockets of the corrupt elite), are going to waste. An absolute waste!

So instead of “resenting” the bedouins, perhaps one can learn from them one or two things.

But we Syrians have been cursed with the worst curse in history: arrogance & hollow pride!

September 15th, 2013, 4:01 am

 

Alan said:

Dollar and Syrian Crisis
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/09/14/dollar-and-syrian-crisis.html
./../.
Moscow, the largest oil exporter, and Beijing, the world largest oil importer, are ready to remove dollar as oil trading currency at any moment. It poses a major threat for the United States of America. That’s the intention to launch an intervention against Syria looks like an attempt to put off the collapse of US currency. It is not an occasion that the exacerbation of the situation in and around Syria coincided with postponing the debates on the United States default from February to this fall. It’s not democracy in Syria what causes major concern for Washington but rather the debt ceiling, the issue that may turn the United Sates into a “failed state”…

September 15th, 2013, 4:39 am

 

Alan said:

Tables are covered – the guests are hungry
http://cs413529.vk.me/v413529140/3325/0enbr4h4Xq4.jpg
Mediterranean seems to boil the broth. U.S. destroyers lean swaying rhythmically on its surface. Not far from the board the French frigate young radio operator sends the encrypted message to her lover – British radio operator on the Greek base in Akrotiri. Gentle dash – point pierce the space , pouring over the sea surface , and Lebanese intelligence struggles to understand the hidden meaning of the messages on them and guess the date of the start of the war.

At times , appearing vague outlines on the horizon , the waves of idle leisure Turkish coast frigates gray with white crescents on the bloody banner .

Russian steel beauties with names of famous admirals on board a thin chain fenced off the Syrian coast. U.S. drone operator looks at them the second week of aerial and quietly going mad. From childhood instilled in him a comic animal fear of the communists and laying the next turn on the ” Admiral Panteleev “, he sees it on the roads Station Norfolk against chadyaschie American oil storage and blazing armories .

Carefully sneaking through the Suez Canal Chinese amphibious ship ” Jinggang Shan .” He shadow slip between American destroyers and stand in the chain to the Russian brothers. Modestly, but firmly , as taught in countless joint maneuvers before.

It is on the surface and in depth, as the flock of hungry sharks prowl in search of the British submarine. Fast, nimble , ready to tear apart the victim as soon as he heard the smell of blood.

Slicing hungry circles , they do not know that beneath them in a dark , pitch dark , to cover accrued shell of shellfish for the third week sensitively dormant giant – Russian submarine . Squid, sea urchins, eels have become accustomed to his presence so that the object is seen as the bottom of the landscape. Suspecting nothing , floating above him careless U.S. destroyers , tankers and tugs. Only the American aircraft carriers, if sensing something was wrong, and did not dare to enter the Mediterranean Sea , keeping a respectful distance .

Sea as lined with golf sea battle . It remains only to decide who will be the first to beat . “B -3 ” – wounded , “B -4” killed – French frigate sinks to the bottom , and love the radio operator on the nose in the water, still tapping his serenade . But that’s tomorrow , and today looks like a sea of ??broth to boil . Cook adds fire and sipping from ladle . Tables are covered – the guests are hungry.

September 15th, 2013, 4:52 am

 

Alan said:

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry !
It is a time for US to ask Israel to ratify chemical weapons treaty, with Syria plan afoot!
When you will present Benjamin Netanyahu with a detailed outline of the agreement to dismantle Syria’s chemical weapons, Israel must also ratify the chemical weapons treaty.
The main danger of weapons of mass destruction is the Israel nuclear arsenal and chemical weapons !

September 15th, 2013, 5:33 am

 

Alan said:

God Bless the Syrians…! Obama Fighting Saudi Arabia’s War

September 15th, 2013, 5:49 am

 
 

Syrialover said:

People who go on about the west betraying Syria and using it for its own purposes are thinking like 2-year olds.

It’s Russia that is selfishly and ruthlessly exploiting Syria, willing to destroy it for nothing. It’s doing this for very pathetic and stupid reasons that the west knows about and is patronising them by playing along while mocking and disrespecting them behind closed doors.

Putin’s Russia is puffing itself up like a little rooster among giant birds, trying to prove to itself it still has power and influence. Its leadership is driven by a neurotic mix of deluded pride, resentments, jealousies and outrage at their country’s lost international status.

Syria is one of the very few arenas in the world today where the Russians can still find a role, even though they actually see little relevance and value in Syria itself.

It’s simply a rare arena where Russia can bluff and posture, using the situation to the maximum and stoking the problem to pretend it still has power and pull in the world.

To understand Russia’s motives for playing this game read its domestic media which is grandly and childishly boasting that Russia is now controlling the west and pushing it around. Or for a shortcut, read the comments of ALAN here to get a taste of the mentality.

Russia is deeply traumatized by the loss of its empire and the exposure of its comparative weakness and lack of influence compared with the west.

Today’s Russia is a country that has no worthwhile industry or innovative technology, only oil and gas which are being controlled and squandered by a corrupt elite. It has a population that is shrinking in size and shockingly,in average life expectancy. Culturally and politically it is a wasteland with few values or visions that Russian people can draw on.

Putin is a small time gangster arrogantly strutting, barking and sulking at the world and demanding respect. He has seized on Syria as a useful tool and stage prop to stoke his ego and delusions.

So Syria has been made a tragic victim and pawn of the Russian leadership’s international paranoia, deluded pride, inferiority chip on the shoulder and fury against the west’s demands for human rights.

And the sad reality is that Russia does not really matter to the world, and Syria does not matter to Russia.

September 15th, 2013, 6:40 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1309 SL

Right on the money! I am sure you will enjoy reading Obama’s response to Putin’s NYT op-ed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/albert-brooks/obama-putin-syria_b_3914774.html

September 15th, 2013, 7:08 am

 

Syrialover said:

The Assad regime has committed war crimes of genocide, urbicide (destruction of cities) and ecocide (destruction of environment).

Butlet’s reflect on its massive “econocide” (suicidal destruction of the economy.)

The figures on the textile industry show the staggering extent of damage. This is an industry that in 2011 employed 30% of the Syrian workforce, now destroyed to 10% of its former capacity and falling.

EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE:

“…the closure of many of Syria’s small and medium-size businesses — collectively worth billions of dollars — has left its economy shattered.

“It’s not just young entrepreneurs being forced out of Aleppo. Syria’s lifeblood, the textile industry, is also in retreat. Revered throughout the Arab world since the days of the Silk Road, Aleppo’s fabrics fueled one-fifth of Syria’s industrial output in 2011, when the textile sector employed 30 percent of the country’s workforce. In recent years, its colorful, bawdy lingerie became an iconic secret of Damascus’s old souks.

Now, the sector is producing at an estimated 10 percent of its former capacity. Textile factories have been dismantled, with machine parts sold to Turkey for a fraction of their worth. The city’s industrial leaders have fled. Most headed for Egypt [my comment: where they are now being threatened and chased out].”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/syrian-entrepreneurs-flee-war-torn-country-to-save-their-tech-ideas/2013/08/30/3a60d3ba-101e-11e3-85b6-d27422650fd5_story.html

September 15th, 2013, 7:09 am

 

Syrialover said:

HOPEFUL, I loved what you linked in #1310. Thanks!

Though I thought it was little kind and diplomatic about Russia. Obama secretly would have much more mocking, dismissive and contemptuous thoughts.

I like the US Senator announcing Putin’s article made him want to vomit:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/democratic-senator-says-he-almost-vomited-after-reading-vladimir-putins-op-ed/article/2535655

September 15th, 2013, 7:28 am

 

Alan said:

1311 Israel-lover
O boy! How old are you? United States actually need to switch Bambers towel! Unfortunately, the American people was inert and therefore remained smell wafting throughout this time there!
As for what you say about Russia, I advise you to join a literacy! Avigdor Lieberman can teach you, Who is Russia!
VACUUM BOMB (Nanotechnology) Made in Russia
http://youtu.be/fd6l_EZKvPc?t=1s

Technology Update: GLONASS goes global
http://youtu.be/eTod9QL7p84?t=1s

September 15th, 2013, 7:54 am

 

Syrialover said:

So funny. In #1294 ZOO now tells us how he wants the US, UK, and France to support the Lebanese and Iraqi armies to get the Islamic extremists off Assad’s back.

What a bizarre and desperate fantasy.

And as part of ZOO’s grand plan, the Russians would provide better weapons to Assad’s army.

Then the plan loses a further wheel or two when ZOO says: “The rebel fighters militia will get weapons only if their commanders commit to fight against at Al Qaeda and not the SAA.”

But ZOO is shutting out the main and only reality. Which is that while Assad remains in place nothing and nobody can get rid of the Islamist extremists. Their presence is entwined with him.

Assad is not only a magnet but in some cases a covert facilitator for them.

A better trick would be for the west to support the Syrian army to get rid of Assad.

How about that, ZOO?

September 15th, 2013, 8:01 am

 

Syrialover said:

#1313 ALAN are you now trying out some postures and puffing up your chest to try and be like Putin?

The fantasy has made you delirious.

Nobody respects Russia. Nobody seriously believes it matters or contributes anything or has a future.

The west are just playing diplomatic games with Russia rather than rejecting and humiliating it. But that could still happen. And then Putin will wet his pants and go on a rampage against Georgia or some other soft target.

September 15th, 2013, 8:10 am

 

Syrialover said:

I hope MAJEDKHALDOUN comes back.

He belongs here. I feel it was going too far to exclude him after so many years.

He was a collateral victim of the toxic fumes and chaos generated by the now gone REVENIRE.

So the context in which MAJEDKHALDOUN was banned has now changed.

September 15th, 2013, 8:19 am

 

Syrialover said:

This is very revealing. Very interesting. A film of Iranians fighting in Syria narrated by an Iranian, with English subtitles.

See the confused reasoning, ignorance of the situation, sectarianism and contempt for ordinary Syrians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2J02DutU2c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

COMMENT: I’d love to see the stampede if the men in this video were approached and offered visas and jobs in the west.

September 15th, 2013, 8:39 am

 

Alan said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJGt7mCMAAY9T-.jpg

Putin owning Obama.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJDcGoCMAAWUsn.jpg

When it comes to Syria… French philosopher Bernard Henri Levy amounts to nothing more than hairspray and hyperbole
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTlzE6UCMAETOK7.jpg

September 15th, 2013, 8:46 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1317 SL

Very interesting indeed. I have to say that I was impressed with their professionalism and attitude, regardless of how I feel about their mission. I won’t be surprised if they do give up on Assad and his gangsters once they learn the truth about what goes on inside Syria.

September 15th, 2013, 8:58 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ghufran write (may be for the 10,000th time)

GCC regimes have done a lot of damage, most Syrians resent those Bedouins and some consider them worse than Israel, if those sheikhs want democracy and freedom they would have offered that to their citizens. KSA in particular harbor a poisonous mix of Wahhabism and petro dollars. One ominous sign of those regimes’ intentions was their support for Islamists and their animosity towards Christians and secular figures. Let them keep buying Europe but they need to leave Syria alone.

This is just so prepackaged and full of racist innuendos. Can you say something new and a little more thoughtful such as for example criticizing their inability to motivate their young to become artisans so that they can maintain some of their heritage. As for freedoms, consider the right to travel: I am yet to meet a UAE citizen (male of female) whose right to move has been curtailed in any way of shape.

Get out of that box Ghufran. You deserve better than what you are doing to your mind.

September 15th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

Alan said:

Obama has no choice. He has to prove and demonstrate an ability to solve problems with his political opponents, even if they are his allies. Otherwise, the remaining three years of U.S. policy will go into a steep spiral. It’s not just in Iran – Latin American leftists drug-presidents finally beat off the hands of the Afghan Taliban, who are coming to power in the next year, at least in southern Afghanistan is virtually certain. Dramatically increase Russia. The main thing – this is China. Which in Chinese wisely spent away on the banks of the river near the already sees on the horizon, floating on the river the corpse of his enemy. The corpse still twitching convulsively – but China is not in a hurry. He will wait more.

In front of Obama has the urgent task of punishing the guilty. And just the guilty . The traditional manner of States: how to understand and to punish anybody here does not work. Behind the defeat of Obama are Netanyahu and Prince Bandar. That Obama needs to punish them – and all the leaders of the United States, enemies will be closely watching the process. And draw conclusions.
Punish – the conclusions will be ones.
Do not punish – other.
Obama has the SH*** hour. want it or not.

September 15th, 2013, 9:17 am

 

ghufran said:

Hamster,
most Syrians share my sentiment about GCC ruling elites including many of those who are anti regime, only islamists admire the GCC and those sex-crazed sheikhs, as for the right to travel, tell that to any Saudi woman who wants to travel inside KSA, not to mention foreign travel. If you live in the hot sand box called The GCC you have to get out in the summer for your own safety and the safety of others, this business about the right to travel is humorous, I have to admit, may be we ought to admire goats beauty pageant in KSA or camels race in the UAE (both are real) 🙂

SL, is trying to outdo hamster:
“Nobody respects Russia. Nobody seriously believes it matters or contributes anything or has a future”
(to disagree with or dislike Russia is one thing but to write stuff that even high school students know is BS is something else)

hopful,
I did not say that everything about the GCC is bad, most of my criticism is directed at their ruling elites (with the possible exception of UAE) and their sheikhs. Qatar is particular is an easy case: a country that can fit in one of Cairo’s suburbs with lots of money and a US military base that defends the sheikhs.
let those sheikhs buy Europe, the EU will regret letting them in.

September 15th, 2013, 10:09 am

 
 

zoo said:

#1314 SL

The West helping the rebels get rid of Bashar al Assad?

Yawn……….

September 15th, 2013, 10:42 am

 

zoo said:

SL

Please give up more of these brilliant analysis…

“And the sad reality is that Russia does not really matter to the world, and Syria does not matter to Russia.”:

September 15th, 2013, 10:47 am

 

zoo said:

#1301 Ghufran

“finding an acceptable formula that keeps face for both sides will be a major challenge”

Zbiniew said it today on CNN: wait for the end of Bashar’ term in 2014.

September 15th, 2013, 10:50 am

 

ghufran said:

This video was posted before, it is worth reposting, not just to remind people about what happened in Al-Bayda but to encourage all to look at the Syrian war from all angles.
Some of you have just discovered channel 4 news, keep in mind that this site, which I use often, has criticized both sides in the Syrian war. Before you watch the video, remember that violence is the mother of all sins and that rebels who hid in civilian homes and shot at government troops have no moral authority over the animals who killed women and children, similar animals slaughtered civilians in areas sympathetic to the regime especially in Latakia, Homs and Dayr Azzour.

http://www.channel4.com/news/syria-al-bayda-massacre-war-crime-video

without Justice there will not be peace, however, if you want justice you should grant it to all victims and apply it on all perpetrators, selective justice is a form of thuggery.

September 15th, 2013, 10:55 am

 

zoo said:

The pathetic SNC and their SC supporters are still living under the illusion that someone will listen to their babbles

Syrian opposition wants missiles, military aviation banned

http://newindianexpress.com/world/Syrian-opposition-wants-missiles-military-aviation-banned/2013/09/15/article1785931.ece
Published: 15th September 2013 08:03 PM

The Syrian opposition has demanded that the ban on the use of chemical weapons should be expanded to military aviation and ballistic missiles as well.

“The National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces insists the ban on use of chemical weapon is spread on use of ballistic missiles and use of aviation in settlements,” an organisation communique stated.

September 15th, 2013, 11:02 am

 

ghufran said:

This is how Ahmad Ti’meh started his ” acceptance speech” :

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????? ??????? ????? ??? ?????? ..???? ????? ??????
????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????????? ???????
?????? ???? ??????
????? ?????? ?????
??????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????????? ???????
the truth is that the NC is an army of GCC employees who want a title or a position at any price.

September 15th, 2013, 11:19 am

 

zoo said:

Chemical Weapons Deal Only A Hiccup For Saudi Goals In Syria

Toby Jones: Saudi Arabia is interested in ousting Assad but not a popular government taking his place – September 12, 13

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10709

..
I think they see both the Israeli intelligence services as well as the conservative Israeli political establishment as allies and cotravelers in trying to pursue and create a particular political outcome of the region. So the Saudis don’t need to have the PR machine or the lobby that the Israelis do, because they see the Israelis as doing their work for them.
….
NOOR: And can you talk about the role of the Saudi prince, Prince Bandar, in backing the Syrian opposition and just how he’s been doing this? The Wall Street Journal had an interesting exposé on this, and they quoted some U.S. officials in the Obama administration, which kind of saw some parallels in Prince Bandar backing the Syrian opposition as when he secretly helped back the Contras in Nicaragua in the ’80s.

JONES: Yeah. Bandar, of course is a long-time, a long-serving Saudi ambassador to the United States, ingratiated himself, been–particularly the conservative political establishment, the Republican Party. But more importantly, built, you know, sort of networks of friendship and corruption in the U.S. arms industry in the military establishment. He’s long favored military strikes across the region that served Saudi interests and that, frankly, would allow him to empower himself. He stepped down or was removed as ambassador to the U.S. a few years ago, and now he sees himself where he’s taken over responsibility of the Saudi intelligence services.

He’s a bit of a wheeler and dealer. He’s a cowboy. He has advocated for military action against Iran. He advocated for us a strong response to Shiite militias in Iraq at the height of the Iraqi Civil War back from 2004 two 2007 or so and threatened regional catastrophe if it didn’t happen. So, of course, he’s been committed to the use of force in Syria as well in a way that he claims would serve Saudi and Syrian interests.

But really but we have to be very skeptical of this. Bandar is a man who’s committed to privilege and to profit it and is looking for a way to stamp his own authority and his own interest on things. So I think very much he’s committed to a kind of personal politics in Syria, and we should be very skeptical of anybody who approaches that conflict this way.

September 15th, 2013, 11:19 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1322 Ghufran

Since you mentioned Qatar, I do encourage you to visit Qatar and talk to some of the young bright Qatari and Jordanian students studying political science at Georgetown University in Doha, fully paid by the Qatari government. Or talk to some of the Qatari or Indian film makers, funded by Doha Film Institute. Or talk to the Bahraini female student who got a scholarship from Qatar Foundation to get her Masters degree in Behavioral Science in Oxford University. Or talk to the Egyptian scholar whose startup got funded thanks to the Qatar Computing Research Center.

Get off your high horse. Who cares if the country is big or small? What matters is what the rulers are doing for their country and people.

Let’s see, if you are the ruler of a country with 300,000 people and plenty of energy reserves, should you:

A) Turn half of your countrymen into soldiers and spent billions of dollars on tanks and planes, or
B) Rent some land as a military base and MAKE money while getting protection?

Most of the GCC leaders are light years ahead of the corrupt ideologically-bankrupt superficially-anti-western rulers who keep slamming the west on one hand, and buying iPads to play video games on the other hand.

September 15th, 2013, 11:27 am

 
 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ah, I understand now, I guess only dogs, cats, and pigs can have pageants?..Muslims shouldn’t have fun….and a laugh or two. Damn it, i bet that if you see a lizard beauty pageant in a “christian” country, you would congratulate them for their creativity in entertainment….

Stop trying to defend yourself, the more you do, the more racist you sound.

September 15th, 2013, 11:34 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1327 Ghufran

“rebels who hid in civilian homes and shot at government troops have no moral authority over the animals who killed women and children”

I called Zoo on this before and I will strongly disagree with you Ghufran on this. This is the same kind of talk we are used to from the Israelis.

There is no moral equivalence between a rebel hiding in his home among his people, and the gangsters killing everyone in the house just to get him, and to teach the community a lesson of obedience. Absolutely none!

When was the last time you blamed someone else for the death of civilians by a US drone other than the drone itself?

September 15th, 2013, 12:02 pm

 

ghufran said:

let me try to understand this Hamster,
since westerners use cats, dogs and pigs in beauty pageants, Muslims are supposed to use “less dirty animals” like goats and camels in similar events ?
The point is not whether Muslims are allowed to have fun or not, the point is what much of the GCC is about, the sheikhs some of you are admiring treat women like property and travel to Europe (and Lebanon until lately)and spend millions on prostitutes and casinos while they do not allow their girls and women to drive or uncover their face !!
There is a case to be made about the UAE success which to a large extent is due to its moderate emir who did not allow islamists to dictate policy, in that sense, the UAE deserves credit.
Qatar on the other hand is playing catch up despite all of that money, they bribed FIFA and they are spending billions on buying sport clubs, etc, for them to get where Dubai is they need to shun the islamists and stop supporting terrorism.
The truth is that the GCC for the most part is a big desert with a lot of money, backward sheikhs, a bank for al-Qaida and the host of corrupt governments. Doctors on this blog know very well that physicians with blue eyes and a British or US passport are paid more than their Muslim or Arab counterparts with similar qualifications, to some of you the GCC is heaven, to many others it is a Kingdom of Sand and bloody money(thanks Najdat Anzour).

hopeful,
by the admission of people on the video there was a fire fight before the massacre. Banyas was also one of the first spots, may be the first, where the opposition to Assad turned violent and army officers were killed in cold blood where they were going back home to their families, at that time there was NO violence in that part of Syria.
I am not equating killers with rebels but I am not ready to exonerate violent rebels who knowingly exposed civilians to the evil of war.

September 15th, 2013, 12:06 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Did you ever see me admiring any of the rulers?!, if not then your whole argument is not only debunked but useless.

You don’t want to get my point… But here is another point…Any Syrian who thinks that they are entitled to a penny of the oil wealth of Gulf countries is not only full of nationalistic crap, but also delusional..If they want to “squander” their wealth on buying what their advisers may have told them is a very profitable investment in sports club, it is non of your or my damn business and all others should stop being sanctimonious about it.

September 15th, 2013, 12:24 pm

 

ghufran said:

The flirting between Egypt’s new government and Russia:

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??? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? “??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????? (?? ?????)? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ????2”.
????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ??????? – ??????? ????? “???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???????… ???? ?? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????????”? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ????????? ????????? ????? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ?????.

Perez of Israel said that Syria’s war is a punishment because Syria refused peace with Israel:
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??? ?????? ?????????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? “??????”? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? “?????? ???????” ???????.

September 15th, 2013, 12:55 pm

 

Rancher said:

I think Obama will strike as soon as the impossibility of getting those CWs becomes apparent. He will have to do something and he certainly isn’t going back to congress.

September 15th, 2013, 1:31 pm

 

Alan said:

/Shimon Peres! Syria punished today for refusing to “peace”/
Why Israelis were killed Yitzhak Rabin?
http://youtu.be/MvqpoFjIdlA?t=2s
And why did not punish Israel many times to miss all the opportunities for real peace?

September 15th, 2013, 1:35 pm

 

annie said:

274. JUERGEN said:

That is a real evolution, back in 2003 Saddams useful idiots rounded up around hospitals and schools

Juergen, the “useful” idiots did not go to rescue Saddam, they aimed at preventing the US invasion and some of them stayed behind to protest the invadors in person

September 15th, 2013, 1:39 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1335 Ghufran

“the sheikhs some of you are admiring treat women like property and travel to Europe (and Lebanon until lately)and spend millions on prostitutes and casinos while they do not allow their girls and women to drive or uncover their face !!”

Ghufran, no one is condoning these actions, but they are not exclusive to the GCC countries. They happen in Syria, Iraq, Morocco, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. So I think it is unfair to keep pretending that the rest of the Arabs are somehow more superior to the GCC Arabs because of their nationality. Forcing your daughter to cover her “head” is not much different from forcing her to cover her “face”. Not allowing her to go out alone is NOT that much different from not allowing her to drive. Show me a single Arab country that is NOT male-dominated. Let’s stop pretending that somehow Syrians are superior to Qataris, and that Syrian rulers are better than Qatari rulers in that regard. However, as I mentioned in my post, GCC rulers HAVE DONE MUCH BETTER for their nations in terms of economic development and their people’s development than non-GCC rulers.

“for them to get where Dubai is they need to shun the islamists and stop supporting terrorism”

Yes, I agree with that.

“The truth is that the GCC for the most part is a big desert with a lot of money, backward sheikhs…”

I do not agree with that. Many of the sheikhs are quite intelligent, educated and capable (of course there are who are useless but these guys do not run anything other than their bank accounts). You are grossly underestimating them. They run a big part of this world. Walid Bin Talal did not become one of the most powerful investors on earth by being ignorant and backward!

If the Arabs in Syria, Egypt, etc., want to prosper, they should learn how to take advantage of having such wealth and power next doors to them, instead of of being resentful and vengeful.

September 15th, 2013, 2:00 pm

 

ghufran said:

The truth comes out sooner or later:

Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or extreme Islamists, says IHS Jane’s report
Nearly half the rebel fighters in Syria are now aligned to jihadist or extremist Islamist groups according to a new analysis of factions in the country’s civil war.
(The Telegraph)

September 15th, 2013, 2:31 pm

 

syrian said:

SimoHurtta @1249
your analogy is backword.We are fighting the same but new Stalin and the new Soviet union that your grandfathers fought against,and it is very possible had the communist side had done as much damage,which amount to over 3 nuclear bombs,to Finland as the axis of Iran, HA, and the Alawits minority are doing to Syria they would have asked for cruise missiles had it been around that time.
THE war in Syria is not a civil war, It is a war of liberation,to give you an example to your Scandinavian background, Syria now is a lot more like the government of Vichy of France under the occupation of Nazi Germany,
In Syria, we have a government that all its alliances are to the theoretical Iran,using the cover of secularism as a cover,like some ‘Seculars”commnetaters here.
As Syrialover1317 link has shown one of the many Iranin officers dircting the battals, and the tens of thousdenads of HA,Iraqi, pakistani Shia doing the fighting next to chimecal Assad miltia,among many other clues is a proof to Syria being under an acuppation.
The Syrians are at war with Iran and its represantive the Assad clan.we will win,history and time are on our side.

September 15th, 2013, 2:44 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Syrian Arab media controlled by the regime and its allies are celebrating a great victory. I don’t see how being forced to disarm is a victory. Perhaps it is like the triumph of 1973.

The Syrian Information Minister gave an interview to ITV, in which he was careful to not injure the feelings of his employer. The official line is that Syria will comply fully with UN directives.

Question: The deal says you must provide a full list of your chemical weapons within seven days. Will you provide this list in that time?

Answer: Syria will do what it says. Syria will accept whatever comes from the UN Security Council on this deal. Syria has accepted the Russian proposal and is joining the Chemical Weapons Convention. The rest is only detail, procedural detail and not very important.

Question: Will you provide this list just days from now?

Answer: This issue will go to the UN Security Council. Syria will commit itself and respect whatever comes from the council and it will comply.

Question: Is the timetable in the deal a timetable you accept?

Answer: Syria is serious in keeping its promises and Syria is committing itself to whatever comes from the UN. Everyone knows that Syria does what it says it will do.

[…]

Question: What do you get from this deal? Your chemical weapons are being taken away. You regarded them as a deterrent. What have the Russians promised you in return – for example, will you get the S300 missile system?

Answer: What we get is our accomplishment in avoiding a war. We have helped the whole region avoid a war.

It is doubtful that Syrian media will stress the actual details of the US-Russian agreement …

In furtherance of the objective to eliminate the Syrian chemical weapons program, the United States and the Russian Federation have reached a shared assessment of the amount and type of chemical weapons involved, and are committed to the immediate international control over chemical weapons and their components in Syria. The United States and the Russian Federation expect Syria to submit, within a week, a comprehensive listing, including names, types, and quantities of its chemical weapons agents, types of munitions, and location and form of storage, production, and research and development facilities.

We further determined that the most effective control of these weapons may be achieved by removal of the largest amounts of weapons feasible, under OPCW supervision, and their destruction outside of Syria, if possible. We set ambitious goals for the removal and destruction of all categories of CW related materials and equipment with the objective of completing such removal and destruction in the first half of 2014. In addition to chemical weapons, stocks of chemical weapons agents, their precursors, specialized CW equipment, and CW munitions themselves, the elimination process must include the facilities for the development and production of these weapons. The views of both sides in this regard are set forth in Annex B.

The United States and the Russian Federation have further decided that to achieve accountability for their chemical weapons, the Syrians must provide the OPCW, the UN, and other supporting personnel with the immediate and unfettered right to inspect any and all sites in Syria. The extraordinary procedures to be proposed by the United States and the Russian Federation for adoption by the OPCW Executive Council and reinforced by a UN Security Council resolution, as described above, should include a mechanism to ensure this right.

Under this framework, personnel under both the OPCW and UN mandate should be dispatched as rapidly as possible to support control, removal, and destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons capabilities.

In other news, an Assad envoy to Iraqi Kurdistan sheds light on Syria’s waning influence.

Assad Envoy to Kurdistan: Damascus is a Friend of the Kurds

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – Syrian President Bashar Assad remains a friend of his country’s large Kurdish minority and wants to keep their relatively calmer regions out of the civil war, said an envoy from Damascus visiting Erbil last week.

Omar Ose, a Kurdish member of the Syrian parliament who is close to the embattled Syrian president, said Assad “is aware of my visit to the Kurdistan Region and he is glad that I am here. In this visit I will explain the Syrian situation to Kurdistan’s leadership as it is.”

[…]

“President Assad from the very beginning warned the Syrian army to stay away from confronting or killing the Kurds,” Ose said.

[…]

Ose acknowledged that the Kurds have acted wisely by not getting involved in the war, but that they made a mistake in declining Assad’s call for negotiations at the outset of the revolution.

“A year and a half ago he (Assad) sent a plane to the Qamishlo airport to bring the Kurdish leadership to Damascus, but the Kurdish leadership made a historical mistake and refused Assad’s invitation,” Ose explained. “Back then the Kurdish leadership believed that Assad would collapse in a couple of weeks, so why meet with him.”

In an effort to reach out to regional leaders about his country’s crisis, the Syrian president invited Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani to Damascus last year, which the latter declined.

[…]

“The current Syrian regime is much better than the opposition for the Kurds,” he warned. “It is in the interest of the Kurds if Assad stayed in power.”

“President Assad knows the situation of Kurdistan,” said Ose. “He understands that Kurdistan has good relations with Turkey, America, and Europe.”

I think the Kurds consulted by the envoy will have nodded politely, and sighed inwardly as they were lectured about their ‘mistakes’ in not following the Assad line.

This special visit to Iraq comes days after accord was signed between the Syrian coalition and the largest of the Kurdish bodies of Syria:

Details of Kurdish National Council Union With Syrian National Coalition

Tue 27 Aug 2013

The two groups agreed that Syria should be named the “Syrian Republic” instead of the “Syrian Arab Republic”

The Kurdish National Council has concluded two days of meetings with the leaders of Syrian National Coalition in Istanbul, leading to several major agreements.

A member of the foreign relations committee in the Council, Mustafa Sino described the talks as “positive”.

Most importantly, the two groups agreed that Syria is a federal state that should be named the “Syrian Republic” instead of the “Syrian Arab Republic.” They agreed Syria is a parliamentary republic that contains multiple ethnicities and religions and that cooperation in the country is based on equality that should protect the rights and identity of Kurds in the constitution.

Negotiations are also being held to include the the Democratic Union Party (PYD) in the Coalition if it clarified its attitude towards the regime.

Sino said the agreement decided to remove all discriminatory policies against the Kurds.

So, a week of great victories for the palace, with its arsenal gutted and its margin of maneuver further limited.

And the war grinds on.

September 15th, 2013, 3:14 pm

 

Afram said:

A very lucky game of tic-tac-toe.Indeed….

1•Henry Kissinger: “Putin, in my opinion, considers radical Islam his biggest security threat. … He saw an opportunity to perhaps to get into step with us, solving a common problem.”

2•Zbigniew Brzezinski: “Russia saw an opportunity to also become a significant player in this game.” But a US attack would have been “pointless. Our actions were misconceived, badly calculated. This gets us off the hook.”

3•Newt Gingrich: “You have Putin playing chess and Obama playing, frankly, a very lucky game of tic-tac-toe. That is a strategically defeat for the United States. We are now relying on the Russians. We’re now following from behind—not leading from behind. This is not a good long-term position.”

4•Michael McCaul: The House Homeland Security Committee chair wants Russian boots on the ground, and says Vladimir Putin “is in a unique position, rather than the president, to get this done. He’s now come forward as a leader and he owns this.”

5•Roy Blunt: The Missouri senator says a small strike would have been folly. “Assad would have said ‘Look, the Americans took their best shot at me, and I’m still here.’ I think Assad’s a lot stronger today than he was two weeks ago. Our adversaries have taken heart in seeing the uncertainty.”

6•John McCain: Russia deal is a “loser. It’s not a matter of trust, it’s a matter of whether or not it will be enforced… Suppose that this deal is made and then Bashar Assad does not comply?”

September 15th, 2013, 3:48 pm

 

Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN and ZOO don’t like me pointing out that Russia is a bluffer with diminished power and no real contribution to make to the world.

Did that conclusion come to me in a dream?

No, it’s come from anything I read on Russia from studies and analyses by political, economic, financial, international relations, sociological and military experts (including those in Russia)in recent years. And it’s slipping backwards, any opportunities for development killed off by those running the place.

But don’t take my word for it, start reading for yourself.

And then wonder at the tragedy and injustice of Syria being used to feed the hollow delusions and childish agenda of such a place and its crude totalitarian “leaders”.

Roll on the post-Assad era where Russia can’t claim any connection with Syria.

September 15th, 2013, 4:24 pm

 

Syrialover said:

Here’s some strong fresh antidotes against the efforts of ZOO, ZIAD, ALAN DON-ANN and camp follower GHUFRAN who try to distract from, rationalize or deny the reality of what Assad is doing to Syrians in his savage revenge for them “disrespecting him”.

Look at this aerial photo of the industrial area of Qaboun in Damascus before and after the regime smashed it up:

https://twitter.com/MajdArar/status/379314600128163840/photo/1

And if you can bear to, read these new articles about the extreme cruelty, torture, murder and terrorizing of Syrians under Bashar Assad, and the mindset driving it:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/chemical-weapons-war-crimes-syria-un

http://therepublicgs.net/2013/09/15/death-under-torture-in-syria-the-horrors-ignored-by-pacifists/

September 15th, 2013, 4:53 pm

 

Syrialover said:

AFRAM # 1345

You and others shouldn’t confuse political debate and point-scoring in the west with the underlying decisions and processes going on.

It is a core part of the democratic system to have everything one side says ritually questioned, criticized and put down by those on the opposite side and their media supporters. It’s their job description to do that, what the public pays them for. And they live for opportunities and take pride in doing it and being noticed.

There would be a rush of criticism and opposition even if Obama stood up and announced “we have found a cure for cancer and are making it available to all Americans and the rest of the world”. That’s the system.

There are no jobs like that in Syria, Russia and Iran and any effort to behave like that is an act of suicide.

September 15th, 2013, 5:30 pm

 

Tara said:

Damascus calls US-Russia chemical arms deal victory
http://news.yahoo.com/damascus-calls-us-russia-deal-victory-syria-115237046.html

A US-Russian initiative to remove Syria’s chemical weapons is a “victory” that averts war, a Syrian minister said Sunday, even as Washington and Paris warned that military action remains an option.

“On one hand, it helps the Syrians emerge from the crisis and on the other it has allowed for averting war against Syria,” Minister of State for National Reconciliation Ali Haidar told Russian news agency Ria Novosti of the deal.

“It’s a victory for Syria that was achieved thanks to our Russian friends.”

His remarks came as US Secretary of State John Kerry met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to brief him on the plan and emerged with a word of warning for Damascus.

“The threat of force remains, the threat is real,” Kerry said at a joint news conference in Jerusalem with Netanyahu.

September 15th, 2013, 5:31 pm

 

Syrialover said:

“There are still no humans here, only Arabs”

The words of an Iranian military commander in the field Syria helping keep Bashar Assad propped up.

If you haven’t seen this video giving an inside look at the Iranians in Syria, watch it and see the confusion, lies and sectarian and racist propaganda fuelling their mission.

And get the shock realization that they believe they as Iranians now own Syria and see it as part of their future!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2J02DutU2c (also posted earlier)

September 15th, 2013, 5:47 pm

 

Syrialover said:

TARA

Assad’s internal propaganda machine is still telling Syrians the chemical weapons attack in Damascus was the work of rebels.

And the world has watched Bashar Assad lie about having chemical weapons one day then agree to hand them over the next.

The regime thinks everyone else is as stupid as they are. Instead the world is reminded that the regime is even stupider and less to be trusted than ever.

September 15th, 2013, 5:53 pm

 

Syrialover said:

There are reports that American weapons and aid such as vehicles and communications equipment are now starting to flow to the FSA from Turkey.

The British and French haven’t been sitting around idle on this either.

You can see the usefulness of tying Assad down on CW issues and threats of air strikes while making sure that his inside problems multiply and accelerate.

The diplomatic and military support Assad gets from Russia and fighting assistance from Iranians and Hezbollah hasn’t worked so far in defeating the rebels, and it sure won’t be enough now.

The desperation that drove the regime to use chemical weapons because the rebels were making gains near Damascus was a disastrous miscalculation. Just watch them make many more.

September 15th, 2013, 6:14 pm

 

zoo said:

Saudi Arabia blames the Americans for not lauching military attack on Syria.
One wonders what Saudis don’t it themselves. Don’t they but ever year billions of dollars of US weapons that are rusting in their warehouse as they don’t have the guts to use them.
I guess Bashar al Assad was right all along, there is no doubt anymore, they are half-men

http://saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20130916180515

Obama’s weak positioning on the issue has weakened the righteous cause of the rebels to overthrow Assad who has sacrificed the lives of so many people just to stay in power. If Assad defeats the rebels, Obama and the American people, who did not give him the support to launch a strike on the Syrian military to even the playing field in the strife, will have to share the blame for the sufferings of the Syrians which will go on as long as Assad is in power.

Assad’s victory will give “the Syrian-Iranian-Hezbollah triumvirate” stronger footing in the Middle East and will threaten the stability of the moderate countries in the region.

September 15th, 2013, 6:35 pm

 

Tara said:

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???? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ????? ???”? ?????? ?? ??????? “????? ???? ???????? ?? ??? ?????? ??”? ? ?? ?????????? “????? ???? ????”.
 
????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ????????? ????.

?????? ????????? ????????? ????????????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???????? ??????.

????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ???????? “???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ????????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ????????.

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?? ??????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? “??????” ???? ???????? ??????? ?????? ???????? “?????? ?????” ????????.
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?????? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? “??? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ???????? ???????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ?????”.

Now how are the loyalists patching this up?  Israel considers itself the winner.  We just heard that the regime considers itself a winner. Both the regime and Israel claim victory!    Rethistance anyone? 

Resistance by all mean. Resisting giving up the chair it is!

September 15th, 2013, 6:48 pm

 

zoo said:

As the chemical weapons threat to Israel is receding, the emphasis is now shifting toward the second important danger to US allies in the region: The Al Qaeda jihadists in Syria and their suspicious links with the rebels.

Therefore I expect the media to concentrate more on that issue as the US administration together with Russia are elaborating a strategy to destroy them by using the Syrian Army, the Kurds and some rebel militias who showed willingness to collaborate with the SAA for that purpose.
Bashar Al Assad has ceased to represent a threat to Israel, he can stay as long as he wants provided he respects the CW deal and help the fight against the Islamists.
The collateral damage of that strategy is certainly the Syrian opposition that is bound to be sacrificed for the sake of protecting the region from the growth of Al Qaeda.

The rushed SNC nomination of the sole candidate, a dentist, to ‘manage’ the troubled and unstable ‘liberated areas’ shows that the opposition is feeling that the wind is about to throw them out of the equation. They’re desperate to remain relevant.
I doubt they will survive long now.

September 15th, 2013, 6:48 pm

 

Tara said:

I do not doubt the authenticity of his emotions.  But to project his perception on the whole country and to call it a country of evil is an exaggerated response to a horrid personal experience.   Those “evil” children may have become “evil” after witnessing their parents being tortured and slaughtered in front of their very own eyes…Nevertheless I kept reading and feeling the sorrow until I arrived to the writer’s own prejudice,  perceiving himself being the enemy because he is “white” !   Really!!  And what does he think they are?   Green?  In any case, the value of his article in my opinion comes from his heartfelt contempt towards those who pray without remorse, who pray in one second and kill or cheer the killing shortly thereafter.  Contempt I share towards the loyalist Christian priests, Hassoun, Bouti, and the faithful.    

—-

Syria has become the Country of Evil, the land where evil triumphs and thrives like grapes on the vine under a Middle Eastern sun, and where evil displays all its aspects: greed, hatred, fanaticism, the absence of mercy; where even children and the old rejoice in their malevolence. My captors prayed to their God standing next to me, the suffering prisoner. They prayed content, without remorse and attentive to their rituals. What were they saying to their God?

The leader of the group holding us was a self-appointed “emir” who liked to be addressed as Abu Omar, a nickname. He had formed his brigade by taking people from the area, mostly bandits rather than Islamists or revolutionaries. Abu Omar gave an Islamic gloss to the criminal activities of his band and had links with al-Farouk, the group that then took control of us. Al-Farouk is a well-known brigade in the Syrian revolution, part of the Syrian National Council, and its representatives have held meetings with European governments. The west trusts them, but I learned to my cost that we are talking about a new and disturbing phenomenon in the revolt: the emergence of groups of Somali-style bandits who use an Islamic veneer and the context of the revolution to control pieces of territory, extort money from the population, kidnap people and generally fill their boots.

When the same thing happened again, we were handed over for a week to the Syrian al-Qaida, Jabhat al-Nusra. This was the only time we were to be treated like human beings and even, in some ways, kindly. For example, they gave us the same food as they ate themselves. Al-Qaida fighters at war live an ascetic existence. They are fanatics who hope to construct an Islamic state in Syria and then throughout the Middle East. But towards their enemies – and being white, Christian and western, we were their enemies – they have a sense of honour and respect. Al-Nusra is on the list of terrorist organisations compiled by America, but they were the only ones who showed us any respect. Then we were handed back to Abu Omar …

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/15/domenico-quirico-my-hostage-ordeal

September 15th, 2013, 6:55 pm

 

zoo said:

After the humiliation of Hollande’s U-turn on its plan to attack Syria, France wants to please and calm the furor of its rich clients, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Hollande wants to include a recourse to Chapter 7 in the UNSC resolution in case of Syrian non compliance. It will face a clear rebuff

‘Best way to get rid of Assad’: France urges UN to back Russia-US deal with strong resolution

http://rt.com/news/france-syria-un-resolution-897/


The current French draft reportedly calls for imposing “further measures” under the Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter only if the international inspectors consider the Syrian government is not complying with its obligations.

Although potential Chapter VII sanctions were indeed mentioned during the talks of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his US counterpart John Kerry in Geneva, each case of suspected non-compliance – such as attacks on UN inspectors – would be discussed separately at the UN, Lavrov insisted.

September 15th, 2013, 7:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Russian FM says China will send fleet off Syria

(AGI) Moscow, Sept 15 – Russia’s Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, announced that China will also be sending its naval forces to the Mediterranean. Minister Lavrov believes it is a ‘comprehensible’ move. There are already U.S. French, Russian and British warships off Syrian shores. The Italian destroyer Andrea Doria is positioned off Libyan waters. . .

September 15th, 2013, 7:12 pm

 

Tara said:

The Malali and their thugs are invading Syria. 

Footage claims to show Iranians in Syria
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24103801

Footage has surfaced on the internet that gives the first tangible indication of Iran’s involvement in the fighting in Syria on the side of the government forces, reports BBC Persian’s Kasra Naji.

Information that can be gleaned from the footage indicates that the Iranian fighters are part of the Revolutionary Guard – most probably part of the extraterritorial wing of the Revolutionary Guard, the Quds Force. It also suggest that Tehran is training Syrian fighters back in Iran.

The footage was uploaded by a group of Syrian opposition fighters who say they have captured the tapes after overrunning a government forces’ base.

They say the tapes belonged to an Iranian cameraman who was killed in the fighting. There are apparently several hours of the footage, some of which has been posted on the internet.

The tapes show at least five Iranians wearing military fatigues among a larger group of pro-government Syrian fighters.

According to the conversations heard in the footage between the Iranians, they are somewhere to the south of the northern Syrian city of Aleppo.

Filmmaker death

Some of the footage is shot during combat, with the constant sound of bullets
The uploaded footage also shows that they and the rest of the fighters are stationed at a building that looks like a school with notices posted on the walls both in Arabic and in Persian – indicating that the number of Iranians might be well more than the few that we see in the footage.

At one point the camera falls to the ground and the view goes black as bullets are heard whistling by.

The Iranians seem to be in command of the group. One of them is seen speaking to the camera saying that he has been in Syria for about a year – the last five months of that in his current location.

The commander also says that they are fighting as part of the National Defence Force – a growing force made up of various militias and volunteers in Syria.

He says the Syrian fighters are friendly with their Iranian counterparts and at ease fighting alongside them because they were trained in Iran and are familiar with Iranians and their attitudes.

Research shows that the commander on camera is Ismaeil Haidari, a senior commander of the Revolutionary Guard.

According to the Iranian media, he was killed in Syria around the middle of last month. His funeral was held in a northern Iranian town a few days later.

At around the same time, Iranian media reported that an Iranian filmmaker was also killed in Syria.

Some of the footage seems to be of Iranian fighters in buildings being used as command centres
It is possible that he was the cameraman whose footage is now in the hands of Syrian opposition.

September 15th, 2013, 7:21 pm

 

ghufran said:

Tara,
I am surprised that you are surprised, for almost 2 years I have been saying that Israel will benefit the most from the Syrian war, foreign nations, especially your enemies, will play with you as a toy when you are weak and divided, Syrians are mistreated and laughed at everywhere they go today, and Syrian girls are now children brides sold to the same filthy Arabs some of you are still defending, and Syrian passengers are kept longer than anybody else at the airports for “security reasons” while 2 million refugees are outside Syrian and most are treated like animals especially by Jordan.
This war has taken Syria 20-25 years backward and has made everybody poorer and displaced 25% of the population, very few disasters in modern times after 1945 can be compared to the Syrian war, and it is not over yet.
It is not just the regime that has to give concessions to Israel, the opposition started giving concessions even before they won the war, and Israel is returning the favor by bombing the Syrian army and treating wounded rebel soldiers at its hospitals.
I know that I am looked by many at as a regime sympathizer but the truth is that I am disgusted with both sides, I think Syrians have failed as a group of people and Syria will not stand up as a nation in my life time, a Jewish colleague has told me more than a year ago that regardless of the outcome of the Syrian war, Israel has no reason to listen to anybody, including the US, for the next 10-15 years, and this period (he did not say that) will be more than enough to finish Jerusalem and kill any hope for a Palestinian state or any chance of returning the Golan heights (not that Assad has worked hard on this one).

September 15th, 2013, 7:37 pm

 

Tara said:

Ghufran

Not surprised, but disgusted that the loyalists can still utter the word “rethistance ” that I believe never existed. Some are in eternal self-delusion and some knew it from the get go but maintained pretense to server dear leader agenda.

And for the record, I do believe you are not a regime supporter. And although I may not agree with you, I do respect your position and I have no problem with it.

September 15th, 2013, 7:56 pm

 

Tara said:

Russian Mediterranean fleet “not linked” to Syria
by RIA Novosti at 29/08/2013 15:46

The redeployment of Russian Naval vessels in the Mediterranean Sea is part of a planned rotation and is not linked with the worsening situation in Syria, a Russian Naval spokesperson said Thursday. . .

http://themoscownews.com/news/20130829/191887611/Russian-Mediterranean-fleet-not-linked-to-Syria.html

September 15th, 2013, 8:12 pm

 

omen said:

besides the obvious contortions to spare precious baby bashar any blame, scores of iranians are now appearing on film bragging about killing syrians.

but let’s blame the stinking bedouins. or better yet…

/play menacing music here

the jeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwssssssss.

September 15th, 2013, 8:19 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Omen,
After 15 years of a civil war there are still Lebanese who call that war ” other people’s war on Lebanese soil” , however, three Maronite friends from different political groups, one fought with The Lebanese Forces, have told me that Lebanese have mostly themselves to blame. I blame Syrians first and foremost for this tragic outcome, and the regime does deserve most of the blame. The Bedouins of the gulf were participants in the destruction of Iraq and Syria and Qatar is now helping the mb in Egypt destroy the national fabric of that country.

September 15th, 2013, 8:36 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Nusra terrorist group takes credit of killing scores of alawi civilians near Homs including children, old men and women:
(SOHR)
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September 15th, 2013, 8:52 pm

 

Syrialover said:

GHUFRAN wrote:

“I know that I am looked by many at as a regime sympathizer but the truth is that I am disgusted with both sides, I think Syrians have failed as a group of people” (#1360)

GHUFRAN, you are a long, long way from being disgusted enough with the Assad regime to expect to be trusted and respected on this subject.

And to say Syrians have failed as a group of people …

Come on, don’t stop there. Tell us more about why the victims of Assad/Russia/Iran’s actions in Syria deserve what has happened to them.

The comment comes up again and again from bombing and massacre survivors, refugees and other Syrians whose lives have been destroyed by the Assad regime: “Bashar Assad does not think we are human.”

So what collective “group of people” are you accusing of failing?

September 15th, 2013, 9:03 pm

 

zoo said:

Report: Half of Syrian rebels are hardline jihadists or Al-Qaeda operatives

Sunday, September 15, 2013 20:48 EDT

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/15/report-half-of-syrian-rebels-are-hardline-jihadists-or-al-qaeda-operatives/

AFP – Jihadists and members of hardline Islamist groups make up almost half of forces fighting against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, according to extracts from a British defence study published in Monday’s Daily Telegraph.

The analysis by defence consultancy IHS Jane’s, due to be published in full later this week, puts the number of rebel forces at around 100,000, the Telegraph reported.

But these fighters have split into as many as 1,000 bands since violence flared two years ago, the study concluded.

Of the rebel forces, IHS Jane’s estimates that around 10,000 are jihadists fighting for groups linked to Al-Qaeda and another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists, who differ from jihadists in that they are concentrated only on the Syrian conflict, and not on the global Islamist fight.

“The insurgency is now dominated by groups which have at least an Islamist viewpoint on the conflict,” Charles Lister, author of the analysis, told the British newspaper.

“The idea that it is mostly secular groups leading the opposition is just not borne out.

“If the West looks as though it is not interested in removing Assad, moderate Islamists are also likely to be pushed further towards extremists,” he warned.

September 15th, 2013, 9:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria jihadists claim they killed Homs Alawites
September 15, 2013 10:41 PM

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Sep-15/231390-syria-jihadists-claim-they-killed-homs-alawites.ashx#axzz2f0QMFoHh
BEIRUT: The jihadist Al-Nusra Front said in an Internet statement on Sunday its fighters attacked three villages in Syria’s Homs province and killed dozens of Alawites five days earlier.

“The people’s wall of fear has been broken, as this was the first time these villages were entered and such a high number was killed,” the Al-Qaeda-linked group said in the statement published on a jihadist forum.

Al-Nusra said its fighters entered the villages of Massudiyeh, Maksar al-Hissan and Jab al-Jerah on Tuesday and killed 30 members of the Alawite community, to which President Bashar al-Assad’s clan belongs.

The statement said Al-Nusra fighters were urged by an Islamic jurist “to kill the Nusairis, enemies of God”, using a pejorative term for Alawites.

The attack was “in revenge for the killing in cold blood of Muslims and their women in Eastern Ghouta” near Damascus, where the opposition claims 1,400 people were killed in a chemical weapons attack on August 21.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported this week on the attack that 12 civilians were killed, before on Sunday updating its toll to 22 civilians killed in Maksar al-Hissan.

It said among them were 16 Alawites including four above the age of 80 and four children aged between nine and 12.

The watchdog said five soldiers loyal to Assad were also killed.

The region, mostly home to Alawites and Bedouins, has been largely free of fighting over the past year.

September 15th, 2013, 9:11 pm

 

zoo said:

Curiously there has been no leaks..
U.N. to release findings of Syria chemical attack inquiry

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-un-findings-syrian-chemical-investigation-20130915,0,110063.story

BEIRUT — The United Nations on Monday is expected to release the much-anticipated results of an investigation into allegations of deadly poison gas attacks last month near Damascus.

The inquiry report was delivered Sunday to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the U.N. said.
….
The U.N. investigators’ mandate was to determine whether chemical agents were deployed, but not to assess blame for who may have used them. However, experts say the findings will probably provide clues about who was behind the alleged attacks.

September 15th, 2013, 9:15 pm

 

Ghufran said:

The claim that jihadists were good people who had to resort to terrorism , headchopping and sectarian violence because they are fighting an evil regime and defending victims of oppression does not hold water. Terrorism comes with a high price from losing support of Syrians to making the West afraid of toppling the regime in favor of establishing an Islamist state Taliban- style. Look at every ” liberated” area and tell me if you want your relatives, especially the females among them, to live there. The rebellion failed because of jihadists, who dominate rebel forces, and the involvement of Turkey and the GCC, it says a lot when rebels depend on oil money and foreign nations, plus smuggling, theft and extortion.
A popular rebellion does not need nusra, alqaida, Isis, GCC sheikhs and NATO, do not kid yourself.
Shia who invited foreign occupies and Sunnis who were pegging for one have one thing in common they have both betrayed their countries.

September 15th, 2013, 9:45 pm

 

zoo said:

After this blow, the options left to the opposition are:

– Derail the CW agreement by staging other chemical weapons attacks or hamper the inspectors in their job by creating security issues their media will blame on the Syrian government

– Consolidate their grip on as much territory as they can to insure a strong position in future negotiations

– Console themselves with the hope that once the chemical weapons will be destroyed, there will nothing to prevent the USA and it allies to attack militarily Syria and topple Basar al Assad by force
What they fail to realize is that the West will never hand over Syria with a totally destroyed army to 1,200 militias half of them islamists that are making the military wings of the opposition.

Unless the opposition miraculously is able to unite and present a reasonable alternative, then the probability of Bashar al Assad to stay in power until 2014 is very high.

September 15th, 2013, 10:20 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria rebels voice disdain for Obama, world powers

AFP 9/15/2013 6:25:15 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/CNG—22f1ffe00711cd863d8bfd5943b5aa09—3c1

Rebel fighters have expressed disdain for US President Barack Obama after he backed away from striking over alleged chemical weapons attacks, saying the world does not care about Syria.

Leaders of two rebel brigades in the northern city of Aleppo, speaking to AFP after agreeing to join forces, also accused Russia and the regime of Bashar al-Assad of conspiring to buy time for the Syrian president to press his campaign against those seeking to overthrow him.

They were speaking as the United States and Russia hammered out a deal, based on proposals by Moscow, to eliminate Syria’s chemical weapons by mid-2014 and leaving the door open to sanctions if Damascus fails to comply.

“America told the world it would bomb Syria and then, when the time came, it got scared,” said Abdelqaderi Asasheh, operations chief of the Liwa al-Tawhid brigade in Aleppo.

The battalion’s commander, Abdulaziz Salameh, was even more scathing about the United States.

While accusing Russia and Syria of “devising a perfect plan to put a stop to an attack by the West,” he said “Obama has shown himself not to be a man of honour, without anything to say.”

He added with bravado that “we don’t need the attack. We don’t need anyone. We count on the help of God, and he will guide us to final victory.”

However, he said that while “we can’t expect anything from the United States, but if they finally decide to attack we will take advantage of the situation and launch an offensive against the regime’s military bases and against the airport in order to take control of Aleppo.”

Abu Tawfiqa, a commander of the Liwa al-Fatah brigade, said “we don’t want an attack, but if it happens the United States will find a very powerful ally on the ground.”

The two brigades held a ceremony on Friday at a former military academy north of Aleppo to mark the agreement to unite their forces, which they claim number 13,000 across the country.

Abu Feras, spokesman for Al-Tawhid, said “the international community doesn’t care what happens to Syria. If it really did it would have intervened a long time ago.”

“The United States and Russia are playing with Syria; we mean absolutely nothing to them. The same is true of the United Nations, which accuses the regime of crimes against humanity and keeps talking and talking, as if that would solve anything. They have been talking for 30 months and done absolutely nothing.”

A man standing nearby, interjected: “Obama is a liar. He won’t keep his word. He said he would attack if Assad used chemical weapons against the civilian population. What more does he need to intervene and put an end to this slaughter.”

September 15th, 2013, 10:29 pm

 

zoo said:

Ayman al-Zawahiri warn the jihadists against an alliance with the secular fighters in Syria

“In addition, the head of Al-Qaeda, the Egyptian Ayman al-Zawahiri calls on Islamist militants fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria not to ally with other rebel groups “secular” supported by the West and the Gulf countries, according to the SITE monitoring service specializing in Islamist groups on the Internet. This appeal illustrates the growing tensions between the Free Syrian Army divisions (ASL) and Islamist insurgents particularly active in the field.”

http://www.lorientlejour.com/article/833310/les-rebelles-crient-leur-mepris-pour-obama-et-la-communaute-internationale.html

September 15th, 2013, 10:38 pm

 

zoo said:

Bringing the opposition to the negotiating table is a difficult task

Former CIA official describes the ‘difficult balance to strike’ in Syria negotiations
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/15/former-cia-official-describes-the-difficult-balance-to-strike-in-syria-negotiations/

Morell talked to 60 Minutes for a Sunday piece, “The Briefer,” describing what it’s like to brief the president and where Syria may take us.

“Right now, Assad feels he’s winning, so he has absolutely no incentive,” to cooperate, Morell said. “So, enough support has to be provided to the opposition — to put enough pressure on Assad — to bring him to the negotiating table, but not enough support provided to the opposition so that they feel that they don’t need to go to the negotiating table. It’s a very difficult balance to strike.”

September 15th, 2013, 10:46 pm

 
 

Ziad said:

Interesting detailed PDF report on how Syrian terrorist rebels set up the Goutha poison gas atrocity – Alawite kids killed

progressivepress.com/dox/Latakia-Ghouta-Mother-Agnes.pdf …

September 15th, 2013, 11:12 pm

 

Syrian said:

The mafia regime using his only last line of defence and his only real security card is baffling.The reason the West was keeping Bashar in power is not for his ” protection of the minorities” but because they could not find a solution to what will happen to the CW when the regime collapse.
The regime will try to play for time as long as it can, but playing for years,is not going to happen, their tactic is well known to everyone by now and their sacrifice offering was accepted by powers that are not in the mode to play.If anythinh time is of the essence,the regime is collapsing fast and the biggest sign is its use of CW.

September 16th, 2013, 12:13 am

 

SYR.EXPAT said:

“most Syrians resent those Bedouins”
Racist and bigoted comments like this one reveal the true character of the author.

September 16th, 2013, 12:26 am

 

ghufran said:

“most Syrians resent those Bedouins”
Racist and bigoted comments like this one reveal the true character of the author.

like most of us, I do not think you are doing very well, mr expat seeing Syria being sold and getting divided by foreigners with the help of its own people and government. Syrians have suffered enough from the regime, the rebels and yes those Bedouins.
We have no friends and our “educated” expats are busy throwing mud at each other, dreaming of a fancy government job that will never come and inciting hatred and violence when they sit behind their computers.
I know that I have touched a raw nerve by speaking the truth but I am tired of hearing the same garbage every day from people on both sides who pretend to be progressive and seculars but they take every opportunity to support crimes committed by their beloved regime or holy terrorists, some hide behind a glass of silence hoping that nobody notices the hypocrisy.
Congratulations !!

September 16th, 2013, 12:42 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1379 Ghufran

““most Syrians resent those Bedouins”

By using statements like these, aren’t you being one of those educated expats inciting hatred while sitting behind your computer?

I have no problem with your statements blaming GCC misguided policies, as you see it, towards arming the rebels, but why do you want to alienate the millions of Arabs living in GCC countries by making statements like these? What is wrong with Bedouins anyway?

September 16th, 2013, 1:44 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1379 Ghufran

““most Syrians resent those Bedouins”

By using statements like these, aren’t you being one of those educated expats inciting hatred while sitting behind your computer?

I have no problem with your statements blaming GCC misguided policies, as you see it, towards arming the rebels, but why do you want to alienate the millions of Arabs living in GCC countries by making statements like these? What is wrong with Bedouins anyway?

September 16th, 2013, 2:53 am

 

Syrialover said:

Story: “Assad Supporters Claim Head of Maaloula Monastery is a Terrorist for denying rebels destroyed Christian monuments”

Regime supporters used social networking sites to deliver a poisonous message against Pelagia

Pro-Assad social media activists have launched a fierce campaign against Mother Pelagia Sayyaf, the Head of the Saint Mar Takla monastery in Maaloula in Damascus Countryside for appearing on Lebanese media denying rebels have destroyed Christian monuments.

“The head of Mar Takla monastery is terrorist,” Assad’s supporters wrote on social media pages.

In her interview with LBC Satellite Channel, Pelagia denied any attack on churches and monasteries, countering a regime’s account that rebel fighters had committed massacres, broken crosses, burned churches and abducted civilians.

Regime supporters used social networking sites, including Facebook, to deliver a poisonous message against Pelagia, circulating a statement that described her as a “terrorist” and “traitor” and said that she conspired with terrorists and misled Assad’s forces to help the Free Syrian Army fighters in destroying Maaloula .

Regime loyalists also used Pelagia’s Lebanese nationality to accuse her of working for Samir Geagea and claimed she was a close friend to Father Paolo Dall’Oglio, who was also described as a traitor.

The claims also said that Pelagia harbored terrorists in ancient houses to protect them, hiding their presence in the city for more than three months. It was claimed she cooperated with Sheikh Hosni Mahmoud Diab, a member of the Syrian parliament for the town of Maaloula, to prevent regime forces from entering the town.

Observers commented on the claims, saying that the Assad loyalists had unwittingly confirmed the real unity existing between Muslims and Christians, where the Priest and Sheikh put hand in hand to face the Assad regime and protect rebels.

http://www.syrianobserver.com/News/News/Assad+Supporters+Claim+Head+of+Maaloula+Monastery+is+a+Terrorist

September 16th, 2013, 6:34 am

 

Observer said:

How do you know you are in Thouria Alathad? You know when a defeat is called a victory

I would invite everyone to re read the post by William Scott Schrek above

September 16th, 2013, 8:00 am

 

Tara said:

Hasn’t ban waken up yet? It is almost 9 AM already. We’re waiting.

September 16th, 2013, 8:46 am

 

Heads-up said:

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Our benefactors have noticed that there are characters who comment on this blog and who suffer from an acute sense of inferiority complex in addition to clear signs of ignorance.

Our benefactors were curious about one particular individual who makes such unfounded claims like:

““most Syrians resent those Bedouins” in reference to the very noble and highly respected Gulf Arabs.

We, at heads up, have knowledge of all things relating to Syrians and Gulf Arabs among many other things.

We state categorically that All Syrians except those who are subordinates of the Serpent-head, a.k.a. Assad pronounced Ass-head, consider the Gulf Arabs as noble and hold them in the highest regard in complete contrast to the way they look at the Serpent-head and its pathetic subordinates.

In addition, all Syrians WOULD LOVE to have rulers such as the good rulers of the GCC instead of the power usuper, Serpent-head, arch-enemy of mankind. In particular, Syrians would love to have the serpent-head getting destroyed by His Highness Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, and would welcome the Prince with roses and open arms into Damascus and ALL of Syria.

As you know our sources are very very well informed, highly reliable and work hard behind the scenes and around the clock to keep you well informed.

September 16th, 2013, 9:08 am

 

zoo said:

Here we are… it seems that the opposition is been forcefully ‘invited’ to go to a “international peace conference” without any pre-conditions.
Is it a french initiated substitute to give a face saving chance to the opposition that has consistently refused to attend Geneva II as long as Bashar is in power ?

Meeting planned to seek Syria political solution

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/81708/World/Region/Meeting-planned-to-seek-Syria-political-solution.aspx

Syrian opposition to be invited to international peace conference while UNSC meets to adopt resolution laying out plans for the US-Russia agreement
AP , Monday 16 Sep 2013

The French foreign minister says an international conference to reach a political solution in Syria will include the opposition and will take place at the same time as the UN considers a detailed plan to eradicate Syria’s chemical weapons program.

Laurent Fabius said Monday the chief opposition movement will be invited to the meeting, which will take place in New York while the UN is meeting.

The top diplomats from the United States, France and Britain stood side by side Monday to pressure Syrian President Bashar Assad to uphold his end of any deal on securing and destroying Syria’s chemical weapons.

The United Nations Security Council is set in coming days to take up a resolution laying out plans for the agreement brokered by the United States and Russia.

“If Assad fails to comply … we are all agreed, and that includes Russia, that there will be consequences,” Secretary of State John Kerry said.

September 16th, 2013, 9:23 am

 

zoo said:

Finally a leak….

http://www.albawaba.com/news/un-chemical-weapons-report-520820

The UN report, compiled last month, said there was “clear and convincing” evidence of the use of sarin gas in an attack near Damascus last month. According to US estimates, 1,400 people died in the attack.

The report added that “surface-to-surface rockets containing the nerve agent sarin were used” in the August 21 attack, AFP reported.

This information was included in the first page of the report, which was inadvertently leaked to the press when it was included in an official picture of head UN investigator Ake handing the report to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

September 16th, 2013, 10:46 am

 

zoo said:

After 2 years or refusal, the opposition finally yields to the demand of the Syrian Kurds to recognize “the Kurdish national identity’ in exchange for an agreement on joining forces against the Syrian governement.
One wonders of the imact of that agreement as the most powerful, the Democratic Party Union, “whose fighters control many Kurdish towns and neighbourhoods in northern Syria,is excluded from the agreement”

Syrian opposition agrees to include more Kurds

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n314968

The agreement ratified by vote said the “national identity” of Syria’s Kurds would be recognised by the opposition, said Ibrahim.
Though Syria’s Kurds have long been marginalised and oppressed by President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, they have also been at odds with the opposition.
Frequent, fierce battles have erupted in majority Kurdish areas in northern Syria, mainly pitting Kurdish fighters against Islamist militants over whom the opposition Coalition has no control.
“While some Coalition members resisted it, the agreement is a step in the right direction. Now the KNC can deal directly with the (mainstream rebel) Supreme Military Command,” said Kurdish Syrian activist Havidar.
“That might mean that better military cooperation between Kurds and non-Kurd rebels” fighting the Assad regime, Havidar added.
While the KNC includes a broad spectrum of Kurdish parties, it excludes the most powerful, the Democratic Party Union, whose fighters control many Kurdish towns and neighbourhoods in northern Syria.
For his part, Safi stressed that “this is not a legal document. It is a political agreement that demonstrates goodwill”.
He added that the country’s official name, the Syrian Arab Republic, remains unchanged for now, though the Kurds have been lobbying for it to be changed to the Syrian Republic.
“The Syrian people will decide on how their state is run after Assad’s regime falls,” Safi said.

September 16th, 2013, 12:08 pm

 

Tara said:

It appears that the opposition is being coached to say and do the right things. From rejecting and fighting Al Qaeda to acknowledging the Kurds national identity.

Has all these steps helped them a bit? I yet to see this materializing to a gain in term of weapons or in term of propaganda war.

September 16th, 2013, 12:18 pm

 

zoo said:

Total confusion and contradictions over a Syrian plane? helicopter? shot by the Turkish Air Force near the border.
The pilots “ejected” from a helicopters were murdered by the rebels ( on which side of the border?). Another Turkish saga.

Turkey shot down Syrian helicopter at border, Deputy PM says

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-shot-down-syrian-helicopter-at-border-deputy-pm-says.aspx?pageID=238&nID=54538&NewsCatID=352

The Turkish Air Force shot down a Syrian helicopter today at the border after the helicopter violated Turkish airspace, Deputy Prime Minister Bülent Ar?nç said.

“A Syrian MI-17 helicopter that strayed two kilometers into the Turkish airspace was repeatedly warned before being shot down missiles fired from Turkish jet,” Ar?nç said today after a Cabinet meeting.

Earlier reports said the helicopter exploded in mid-air and that the explosion was visible from Hatay’s Yaylada?? district.

Two pilots who reportedly ejected from the aircraft before the explosion but were reportedly killed by opposition forces after landing safely on the ground, according to Do?an News Agency.

Hatay Gov. Celalettin Lekesiz said they had received information about the incident but added that the reports needed to be confirmed. The details are being investigated, he added.

However separate eyewitnesses have claimed the aircraft which crashed was a military plane rather than a helicopter.

A group of Turkish military personnel was transferred to the area after the incident.

September 16th, 2013, 12:18 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, our very well informed and highly reliable sources work very hard, behind the scenes and around the clock to bring you the news before it becomes news. They made this very important heads up available for release.

It has come to the attention of our highly reliable benefactors that the Serpent-head has just suffered a resounding defeat near Qoneitra at the hands of the revolting Syrians who are intent on crushing the head of the Arch-enemy of the human kind.

At the same time our informers have identified those who are aiding and abetting the Serpent in the west. Brown Lloyd James International, based in Britain, is actively engaged in the plots of the Serpent. This outfit helps the Serpent to deceive the public in the West by scheming to falsify the true nature of the beast and by seeking to present it in a favorable, but deceptive, form to the often ill-informed western audience. Such collaborators need to be exposed due to the dangers they pose to the general public and in order to protect humanity against the perils of such devious Snake-heads. The Serpent is also relying on the services of the so-called public relations firm of Bill Pittenger in order to spray its venomous poison in America. It is very important that the Western audience becomes aware of these agents of evil snake-head.

September 16th, 2013, 12:18 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Johnny Fontane: Too late. They start shooting in a week.
Don Corleone: I’m gonna make him an offer he won’t refuse.

It seems the mafia in Damascus has made the west an offer they can’t refuse. Something they didn’t even ask for.

September 16th, 2013, 12:19 pm

 

zoo said:

Furious Saudi Arabia croaks

Saudi urges world action on Syria beyond chemical arms

http://tribune.com.pk/story/605076/saudi-urges-world-action-on-syria-beyond-chemical-arms/

RIYADH: International intervention in Syria must go beyond dismantling the regime’s chemical arsenal, Saudi Arabia said Monday, in veiled criticism of a US-Russian deal that prevented Western military strikes against the Damascus.

The Saudi cabinet urged the international community not simply to focus on the issue of chemical weapons in the 30-month-long conflict in Syria in a statement after its weekly cabinet meeting, headed by Crown Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz.

The kingdom also renewed “calls for the international community to take effective decisions to immediately end the fighting in Syria” that has cost thousands of lives since 2011, said the cabinet statement published on the official SPA news agency.

It urged “strengthening international support to the Syrian opposition to enable it to face attacks by the regime, whose obstinacy serves interests of extremist movements.”

Britain’s Daily Telegraph on Monday cited a defence study as showing that extremists and members of hardline groups make up almost half of forces fighting Assad — estimated at about 100,000.

September 16th, 2013, 12:23 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Congratulations to all Syrians!!!

How fortunate you are to live in an era full of successes and victories for the great Syrian nation. One victory after another, never has there been an era of such glorious triumphs.

The recent victory*, as declared buy the regime, tops them all. The mother of all victories!!

* Chemical deal.

September 16th, 2013, 12:25 pm

 
 

Observer said:

I revceive Science the most prestigious publication at home and this article copied below caught my eye. It details how new methods allow for the detection of CW attacks.

It also details the science based methods and the reporting

Chemical Weapons
U.N. Taps Special Labs to Investigate Syrian Attack
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Race against time. In the case of a sarin attack, scientists can find evidence in many types of samples’ so-called protein adducts in blood and tissue last longest.

CREDITS: TNO; (ILLUSTRATION) G. GRULLÓN/SCIENCEOn the last day of August, a German airplane landed at Rotterdam airport in the Netherlands. It carried the U.N. inspectors who investigated the alleged chemical attack in Syria, along with samples—probably hundreds of them, scientists say, from soil, water, blood, clothes, and hair—carefully labeled and jealously guarded to ensure their integrity. Two days later, the samples continued their journey to specialized chemical laboratories in Europe. In the coming days, those labs will deliver the official verdict on whether chemical weapons were used in the 21 August attack near Damascus, which killed hundreds of men, women, and children—and if so, which ones.

For the labs, which the United Nations has declined to identify, the exercise is an extremely rare opportunity to apply skills honed in decades of research, spurred by Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons in Iraq in the late 1980s and a Japanese cult’s 1995 sarin attack on riders of Tokyo’s subway system. The work has led to vast improvements in the detection of minute quantities of chemical weapons or their breakdown products, says Maarten Nieuwenhuizen, a consultant at TNO, a research organization in Rijswijk, the Netherlands, that works for the Dutch ministry of defense.

Among the key improvements are new methods to detect nerve gases attached to long-lived blood proteins that have “dramatically extended” the period in which scientists can find evidence after an attack, says Ralf Trapp, an independent consultant on chemical weapons living in France. Whereas investigators often had just a few days, they can now come in 3 or 4 weeks after an attack and find evidence. That difference could prove crucial in Syria, where 5 days elapsed before the U.N. inspection team moved in.

Some experts have concluded from the horrific footage from Syria—which showed victims suffering from paralysis and muscle spasms—that the most likely culprit was sarin or a related nerve gas. And some countries say the evidence is already in. On 4 June, French foreign minister Laurent Fabius announced that a military lab had discovered the fingerprints of sarin in blood, urine, and hair samples from victims of earlier attacks, collected by Syrian doctors and smuggled out of the country by a reporter at Le Monde. Last Sunday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry added that a U.S. analysis of blood and hair samples from Syrian emergency workers also fingered sarin in the Damascus attack.

But intelligence from any single country “doesn’t hold power in the international law arena,” says Raymond Zilinskas, a chemical and biological weapons specialist at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California, especially if it’s unclear who collected the samples or had access to them. “There’s always going to be suspicions that samples may have been tampered with,” says Alastair Hay, an environmental toxicologist at the University of Leeds in the United Kingdom. The U.N.-led investigation, in which custody is assured from beginning to end, “provides legitimacy,” Hay says.

Although the United Nations is formally in charge, it has entrusted most of the work to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in The Hague, established in 1997 to verify adherence to a 1993 global agreement banning chemical arms. (Syria is one of the few countries that has not signed.) OPCW, which has never before undertaken an investigation, has a network of 21 designated, highly specialized institutions, including TNO, in 17 countries. To shield the labs—many of them military establishments—from media attention or other types of unwanted pressure, OPCW hasn’t revealed which ones it picked to help in the Syria investigation, but a U.N. spokesperson says that all are in Europe. Scientists at the labs have various ways of demonstrating the use of chemical weapons, many of which break down quickly after being deployed. They can look for the agents themselves, or their degradation products, in environmental samples such as soil, water, victims’ hair and clothes, or shrapnel. Sometimes, these can provide very specific clues: A compound called isopropyl methylphosphonic acid, for instance, is a unique breakdown product of sarin.

Environmental samples can occasionally provide evidence long after the fact. In 1992, Hay was part of a team that found evidence of the use of sarin and mustard gas at a site in Iraq where Hussein was suspected to have used chemical weapons 4 years earlier. “We were very lucky,” Hay says, because the compounds had been buried at high concentrations inside the craters created by rockets.

In general, however, environmental evidence is hard to detect after just a few days, says TNO analytical chemist Marcel van der Schans. In contrast, “the clock ticks more slowly” for biomedical samples, such as urine, blood, or tissue, he says. These samples can also prove that an attack actually harmed people, Nieuwenhuizen says: “You add the human side of the story.”

Blood, in particular, is now a valuable source of information. Organophosphate nerve gases like sarin do their horrific job by binding to an enzyme called acetylcholinesterase, which plays a key role in muscle control. But they cling to other proteins in blood as well, forming so-called protein adducts that are detectable even weeks after exposure. In weapons investigations, analytical chemists usually focus on an abundant blood protein called butyrylcholinesterase. New techniques make it possible either to dislodge the nerve gas from the protein and measure the agent using gas chromatography, or to break down the proteins and measure the fragment modified by the poison.

The techniques, based on basic research at TNO’s own laboratory, can’t always discriminate between so-called G-agents, including sarin, and V-agents, such as VX, because the agents lose a chemical group that distinguishes them as they bind to human proteins. But that may not matter for the purpose of the investigation, Van der Schans says.

Normally, the labs have 2 weeks to submit a report on their investigation, but U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has asked OPCW to expedite its analysis if scientifically possible. The report may not show whether the Syrian government is responsible for the attacks, as the United States and France maintain, or whether the rebels launched them, as Syria and its allies say. Some clues—such as impurities, traces of stabilizing chemicals, or characteristics of shrapnel—could shed light on the culprit, and OPCW protocols stipulate that labs can report such information. But they are expected to stick to the scientific facts, Trapp says. “They will put all of the evidence together and paint a picture that makes it possible for others to draw conclusions.”

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September 16th, 2013, 12:52 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Allahu Akbar!!

Allah Almighty has saved us.

Imagine after the fall of the regime the new free government decided to join the chemical weapons treaty and gave up and destroyed the stockpiles, imagine how the skeptics and people in the muslim world would say ‘see.. they (new government) are zionist puppets and selling off the resistance, and benfiting Isreal’ …blah, blah, blah!

Well those chemical weapons are being destroyed by the very own hands of the regime annd being given up under their watch.

September 16th, 2013, 12:58 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Ban Ki-Moon’s Remark

As action on chemical weapons moves ahead, the international community, including the United Nations, should also not be blind to the war crimes and crimes against humanity being committed with conventional weapons. There must be no impunity for these violations, either.

Quoting from the US-Russia Deal

“The United States and the Russian Federation concur that this UN Security Council resolution should provide for review on a regular basis the implementation in Syria of the decision of the Executive Council of the OPCW, and in the event of non-compliance, including unauthorized transfer, or any use of chemical weapons by anyone in Syria, the UN Security Council should impose measures under Chapter VII of the UN Charter.”

So wet-pants chemical-athad is not off the hook. Even if anyone uses or transfers chemical weapons, CHVII is coming to you. So basically, the transfer, which is taking place, is already a violation.

I said it, with or without attack you’r screwed and it is not them…. you fool, it is you who is screwing itself.

September 16th, 2013, 1:04 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

UZAIR
The regime’s proud generals will only serve as laborers, drivers, and bus-boys for the international experts in charge of destroying the weapons. No one trust wet-pants chemical-athad with anything to let it and its criminal thugs generals be in charge of destroying anything…other than Syria.

September 16th, 2013, 1:14 pm

 

Tara said:

The report is out.

And now what?

It did not tell us anything we did not know already.

If anything, it would make Syrians resent the world power more. Is it ok to forgive a murderer as long as he surrender one of his weapons?

Syrians are dying and will continue to die.

If I was given a choice of a mode of death, I would choose being gassed as opposed to being slaughtered by the Shabeehas.

And the world does not care to even watch.

September 16th, 2013, 1:42 pm

 

Hopeful said:

So after begging and waiting for 2.5 years to receive surface-to-surface missles, once they received them, the rebels decided that the best way to leverage them was to load them with sarin gas and fire them against themselves and against their own families!

Anyone still has any doubt that the regime committed this atrocity on this forum?

September 16th, 2013, 1:42 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

An excellent, detailed analysis of the UN Inspector’s report is just up at the Brown Moses blog. It contains a video by RUSI (Royal United Services Institute) which further explains the types and sourcing of weapons which were found to have contained sarin.

Bear in mind that the armaments examined by the UN team were given trajectories (see Appendices of the report), and that both armaments have not been part of the ‘rebel’ arsenal. Those who cling to the confection of Saudi/Joo/Martian/Nusra guilt will no doubt come up with new gyrations to deny regime responsibility. And the foremost regimist trumpets here can grin and yawn.

Who Was Responsible For The August 21st Attack?

In light of today’s report from the UN confirming the use of sarin in the August 21st attacks in Damascus, I thought I’d take a look at the open source evidence of who is responsible. I’ll be looking at evidence that’s freely available for anyone to examine, rather than what German spy boats may or may not of heard, or intelligence reports that tell us they have evidence, but don’t actually show the evidence. As always, evidence does not automatically equal proof, so it’s up to you to decide if this information proves one side or the other was responsible.

Two munitions have been linked to the attack, the M14 140mm artillery rocket, and a munition I’ve previously referred to as the UMLACA (Unidentified Munition Linked to Alleged Chemical Attacks).

[…]

The UN inspectors have now confirmed both munitions carried a chemical payload, so the question is, who used them? In the 18 months I’ve been studying the arms and munitions in the conflict I have never seen either type of munition used by the opposition. The opposition has rocket artillery, for example the 107mm Type-63 multiple rocket launcher and the Croatian 128mm RAK-12, but I’ve never seen any sign of the 140mm systems (such as the BM-14) that would be used to launch the M14 artillery rocket. More details on the M14, and it’s origins, are in this video from RUSI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PmwjXp45syI

[…]

As with the M14, there’s no evidence the Syrian opposition has access to, or have used, the UMLACA.

Since January 2013, a number of photographs and videos of these munitions have been published by opposition activists, who have consistently claimed these were fired by government forces. The first video, posted from Daraya, Damascus on January 4th 2013, doesn’t even link the munition to a chemical attack, and through the last 3 weeks of investigations on the munition, I’ve established there are at least two types of this munition; the type linked to the August 21st attack and other alleged chemical attacks, and a high explosive type, which I examine in this post.

It’s important to note that the UMLACA has also been recorded at the scene of at least one other chemical attack, including one in Adra, Damascus, on August 5th, which I detail here. Another video, from June 11th, also filmed in Adra, shows the remains of an UMLACA that’s described as a “chemical rocket”, although it’s not specified which alleged chemical attack it was linked to. Considering the new information presented in today’s UN report, it seems worth re-examining some of the earlier allegations of chemical attacks in Syria.

One thing that must be stressed, is that the UMLACA is a munition that’s never been seen in any other conflict, and it’s origins are somewhat of a mystery.

[…]

[emphasis added]

This is the evidence that the Syrian government was capable of the attack, and had a history of using the munitions linked to the attack. As for evidence of Syrian opposition responsibility, that appears rather thin on the ground. You have claims the attacks were faked, the victims being Alawite hostages from Latakia, that were somehow driven through hundreds of miles of contested and government controlled territory to Damascus. There’s claims that this was some sort of accident involving Saudi supplied chemical weapons, which fails to explain how one incident could effect two separate areas.

Other claims centre around the opposition having sarin, based off reports in Turkey in May, where it was reported Jabhat al-Nusra members were arrested with sarin. The “sarin” was later reported to be anti-freeze, and only this week some of the members are being prosecuted for trying to make sarin, having only a shopping list of ingredients, rather than actual sarin. It seems to me, that compared to the evidence of government responsibility for the attacks, the evidence of opposition responsibility seems very poor.

September 16th, 2013, 1:44 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Dear S Hamster

You’re right. I got my words a little wrong..I was interrupted for a period while writing the comment. What I meant was the regime itself is agreeing to destroy the stockpiles and thus any future government doesn’t have to thus they and we don’t have to face the flak (accusations) and be forced to defend ourselves.

September 16th, 2013, 1:46 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1399 Tara

Americans are understandably hesitant about getting involved in a new war, especially in the Middle East, and especially in an internal affair. An American friend of mine asked me today if I thought the US should intervene in internal affairs, and if I support Obama’s decisions. Here was my response:

“Just because it is an “internal” matter does not mean that the world (and the US) should not intervene. My feeling is that the US can and should get involved in civil wars IF it can help the situation. I do not have an answer for the question: “which situation can/should we help in?”. But supposedly, this is why we elect our government officials to determine/do. Clinton wrote that his biggest failure was not intervening in Rwanda. He did intervene successfully in Bosnia and Kosovo despite the fact that the UN and US’s public opinions were against intervention. Bush intervened in Iraq supported by both Congress and the US’s public opinion, but that turned into a disaster. As for Syria specifically, it is a bit complicated for me. As a “Syrian”, I want ANYONE to intervene to help end the bloodshed because Syrians alone are not able to stop it. As an American, I want the US to intervene ONLY if it can help the situation, and I believe that Obama and his team have been very deliberate and methodical in trying to understand the situation (unlike Bush and his team in Iraq), so I am inclined to support them in whatever decision they will make, because I trust that they are evaluating all options in a diligent and thorough manner so they can determine, better than you and me, if a US involvement will help or hurt the outcome.”

September 16th, 2013, 1:52 pm

 

ghufran said:

There is nothing wrong with average Bedouins but there is a lot of evil in the oil rich Bedouins of the GCC who want to lead and dominate just because they have money. Another evil dimension about them is their alliance with wahhabis, especially in KSA, and their treatment of women and immigrant workers in their countries.
There are bright spots in the GCC, some of you have talked about that in length, but the bottom line is that there is a big cultural difference between many Syrians and the GCC, those of you who disagree probably have more in common with the GCC than they are willing to admit, this is not a case of who is better or worse, it is a case of what identity Syrians will adhere to, in that sense Syria is already divided. I find your defense of the GCC to be a bit disingenuous.

September 16th, 2013, 2:20 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1404 Ghufran

I was not defending anyone. Let me reiterate the points I was making (you can go back to my posts and verify)

* I believe GCC leaders have done far better for their own people than the leaders of Iraq, Syria, Libya….
* I do not believe that many the sheikhs of the GCC are backward and uneducated.
* I do not believe that many Syrians resent GCC people
* I do not believe that mistreatment of women is something that is exclusive to GCC People
* I do not agree with making derogatory comments about GCC people
* I do not believe that Syians are somehow superior to GCC people or any other Arabs for that matter

Let me add one thing:
* I do not believe that mistreatment of immigrant workers is something that is exclusive to GCC Arabs

Now, I agree with your statements above:
* GCC alliance with the Wahhabi is bad
* Mistreatment of women is bad and evil
* Mistreatment of immigrant workers is bad and evil
* There is a big cultural difference between Syrians and GCC citizens

September 16th, 2013, 2:41 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you may know, we at heads up rely on very well informed and very reliable sources in order to keep you informed. Our sources always work hard, behind the scenes and around the clock, and that’s how they can get you the news before it becomes news.

Some, here on this site, with very limited understanding and knowledge make preposterous and false claims about Syrian identity being different from our noble and highly respected Gulf( GCC) Arabs’ identity. Further, these same knowledge- and understanding-starved individuals make the ridiculous claim that Gulf rulers are different than Gulf Arabs. These commentators are spreading misinformation and hatred on this site because they are possessed by the devious Serpent.

We, at heads up, categorically refute these false claims and place them in the same category as the now-well-known deceptive claims of the arch-enemy of mankind, the serpent usurper of power in Syria. These ignorant commentators are parroting what their Serpent is telling them. They are the subordinate aiders and abetters of the Serpent-head in its quest to destroy mankind.

The Syrian people and the Gulf Arabs (GCC) have ONE AND THE SAME IDENTITY. Only those who are possessed by the Serpent in Syria make the false claim otherwise. In fact, those possessed by the Serpent are ALIEN to Syria and its identity which is ONE and the SAME as that of GCC.

ALL SYRIANS would love to have rulers like those in the GCC, just like all GCC people love their rulers. Syrians would also welcome with wide open arms His Highness Prince Bandar Ibn Sultan after he succeeds in destroying the head of the Serpent and ALL its subordinates.

September 16th, 2013, 3:00 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Multiple converging lines of evidence, and a comprehensive narrative now comprise the case for regime complicity in the war crime of August 21, 2013.

The salient paragraphs of the HRW report are now reinforced by the independent findings of the UN:

Our investigation finds that the August 21 attacks were likely chemical weapons attacks using a surface-to-surface rocket system of approximately 330mm in diameter—likely Syrian-produced—and a Soviet-era 140mm surface-to-surface rocket system to deliver a nerve agent.

[…]

The evidence concerning the type of rockets and launchers used in these attacks strongly suggests that these are weapon systems known and documented to be only in the possession of, and used by, Syrian government armed forces. Human Rights Watch and arms experts monitoring the use of weaponry in Syria have not documented Syrian opposition forces to be in the possession of the 140mm and 330mm rockets used in the attack, or their associated launchers.

The Syrian government has denied its responsibility for the attack, and has blamed opposition groups, but has presented no evidence to back up its claims

The key items of evidence adduced by the UN are that the two armaments identified by the UN (noted by HRW) carried sarin. The two azimuths adduced by their trajectory inform us the the rockets came from outside rebel-held territory.

I note that in every previous escalation of attacks on civilian areas (from mortars to fuel-air explosives), regime-loving commentators have waved away the crimes. They accept that the SAA has used disproportionate means, and has used everything in its arsenal save chemical weapons, but say such is war. People die, and in principle, it may be sad.

I doubt that a single Assad-supporter here will acknowledge that the UN report is evidence that the regime was responsible. There is a troubling moral blindness that refuses to see what is evident.

I shall be interested to see what spin will be applied to today’s report from the shell-shocked regimist world. Will mere Agnes-Miriam revise her preposterous version of events? Will SANA and its drones incorporate the UN report in their daily tallies of victories?

More pertinently, will the Russians continue to accuse some unspecified, amorphous ‘rebels’ or will they drop that fiction?

September 16th, 2013, 3:03 pm

 

zoo said:

Syria’s Rebels Turn on One Another, and That’s Not a Bad Thing

By Aryn Baker @arynebakerSept. 16, 201315 Comments

Ongoing clashes between rival groups within the armed opposition intensified in Syria’s Aleppo province this past week following protests against the heavy-handed tactics of the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Infighting among rebels could spell trouble for an opposition movement seemingly on the wane, but it could also present an opportunity.

If the moderate-leaning rebel groups can sever their symbiotic relationship with their al-Qaeda affiliates for good, they stand to get significantly more support from Western backers wary of inadvertently assisting old enemies. But it won’t be easy — even as the rivals battle for turf in Aleppo province, they have united to inflict a resounding defeat on government forces elsewhere in the country.

Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/09/16/syrias-rebels-turn-on-each-other-and-thats-not-a-bad-thing/#ixzz2f5OLtfKP

September 16th, 2013, 3:34 pm

 

zoo said:

Who can prove that Al Qaeda and the rebels do not have rocket launchers in their arsenal?

Saudi Arabia and Qatar has been supplying all sorts of weapons from the Libyan and Croatian stock. In addition the rebels have looted several weapons storage belonging to the SAA, including tanks.

When serious inventories, instead of reliance again on Youtube, will be made of what weapons are in the possession of the rebels, then conclusions on responbility can be reached.
Otherwise, it is again pure speculation that France, the UK, Turkey, KSA/Qatar and the USA will declare as a certainty.

September 16th, 2013, 3:44 pm

 

zoo said:

To all Syrians: Now you know where you come from and who will be your beloved leader.
Keep you heads up.

“The Syrian people and the Gulf Arabs (GCC) have ONE AND THE SAME IDENTITY.

ALL SYRIANS would love to have rulers like those in the GCC, just like all GCC people love their rulers. Syrians would also welcome with wide open arms His Highness Prince Bandar Ibn Sultan after he succeeds in destroying the head of the Serpent and ALL its subordinates.”

September 16th, 2013, 3:46 pm

 

zoo said:

New Syria Agreement Is a Big Victory. For Assad.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-15/everyone-wins-with-new-syria-agreement-except-syrians-.html

But first, Assad. Why is this agreement a victory for him? Two reasons:

1. So long as he doesn’t use chemical weapons on his people, he’ll be safe from armed Western intervention. Roughly 98 percent of the people who have died in the Syrian civil war so far have not been killed with chemical weapons, so obviously Assad and his regime have figured out ways to cause mass death in conventional ways. It’s safe to assume that he’ll increase the tempo of attacks on rebels and civilians, knowing now that he can do so with impunity. Obama won’t be outlining any further “red lines,” it would seem.

2. By partnering with Russia and the West on the disarmament process, a process that is meant to last into 2014 (and most likely won’t be finished for years, even if it is carried out in good faith, which is a big “if”), Assad has made himself indispensable. A post-Assad regime wouldn’t necessarily be party to this agreement, and might not even go through the motions. Syria, post-Assad, might very well be more fractured and chaotic than it is now, which is to say, even less of an environment in which United Nations weapons inspectors could safely go about their work. The U.S. now needs Assad in place for the duration. He’s the guy, after all, whose lieutenants know where the chemical weapons are.

This agreement represents a victory for Putin for fairly obvious reasons: He is the leader of a second-tier power who has nevertheless made himself into the new power player of the Middle East (he’s heading off to Iran now for discussions on its nuclear program). He has shown up an American president, and he will be considered, by the perpetually naive at least, to be something akin to a peacemaker, when, in fact, he’s a bloody-minded autocrat.

September 16th, 2013, 3:55 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1409 Zoo

If they have them, why haven’t they used them yet? You think they would resist the temptation of launching missles at the residential palace instead of the pathetic mortar shells?

September 16th, 2013, 3:59 pm

 

zoo said:

The report does not make it clear on who is responsible for the attack

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon declined to say whether rocket fragments and other physical evidence collected from a Damascus suburban area by U.N. investigators made it clear whether it was the Assad regime or the rebels fighting him who launched the sarin gas attacks.
….
Meanwhile, in Geneva, the head of the U.N. commission probing war crimes allegations disclosed that 14 other suspected chemical attack sites in Syria are under investigation.

Paulo Sergio Pinheiro, the war crimes commission chief, said investigators have found evidence of war crimes committed by both Assad’s forces and rebel groups.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-un-chemical-weapons-report-20130916,0,6931827.story

September 16th, 2013, 4:02 pm

 

zoo said:

1412. Hopeful

Ask them, not me…

September 16th, 2013, 4:03 pm

 

zoo said:

WSS

“Multiple converging lines of evidence, and a comprehensive narrative now”

Oh yes, just like Iraq…
Unfortunately the ‘comprehensive’ report present elements that won’t stand in any court to indict anyone: they are all circumstancial and they all have clear disclaimers called “limitations”.

A more serious and less rushy UN investigation is necessary.

The UN inspectors will go back soon and will finally visit Khan Al Assal whose visit France and the UK objected at without presenting any valid reason. We may on for many surprises. It is not finished,it is only the beginning.

September 16th, 2013, 4:12 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1414 Zoo

I don’t need to ask. The answer is as obvious as sunshine: THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM!

September 16th, 2013, 4:16 pm

 

zoo said:

France and the UK in quest of indicting Bashar al Assad

To derail the US-Russia deal and please their rich GCC friends who hate it, France and the UK are jumping on the ambiguities of the UN report to call for indicting Bashar al Assad at the ICC.
I doubt it will succeed as the USA wants the deal to work. Just more noise and a waste of time.

France and the UK ( working for their rich GCC clients) are running out of ammunitions against Bashar Al Assad. They’ll try just anything to justify more lucrative contract

http://www.innercitypress.com/syria1p3icc091613.html

Do the US, France and the UK want to refer Syria to the International Criminal Court in the Security Council resolution they are proposing? And if so, why didn’t the US negotiate for that in its Geneva deal with Russia?

September 16th, 2013, 4:25 pm

 

zoo said:

#1416

I am always glad when you answer yourself your own silly questions.

September 16th, 2013, 4:27 pm

 

SimoHurtta said:

Of course the rebel side including the Al Qaida have rocket launchers, plenty and many kinds of them. There are numerous of videos and pictures which prove it. With Google image search you find masses of evidence of that.

For example:

Members of the Free Syrian Army stand beside a rocket launcher in the old city of Aleppo March


Free Syrian Army fighters ride a car mounted with a rocket launcher in Deir al-Zor

This image taken from video obtained from Ugarit News, which has been authenticated based on its contents and other AP reporting, shows Syrian rebels preparing to fire a rocket at Mannagh air base in Aleppo province, Syria, Monday, May 13, 2013.

etc

1416. Hopeful said:

#1414 Zoo

I don’t need to ask. The answer is as obvious as sunshine: THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM!

Do you Hopeful even know what a rocket launchers are? It is clear as sunshine that you do not have the faintest idea what rocket launchers are.

September 16th, 2013, 4:35 pm

 

zoo said:

#1419 Simo

Thanks. The rebels remain suspects of the CW attack as long as there is’nt a serious UN investigation on the attack.

Accusing the Syrian governement is the easy solution but does not stand in any court despite the flurry of ‘scoopy’ revelations from a defected general who suddenly pops up 6 months after he defected.

Syrian army defector tells of dozens of chemical attacks

Phil Sands and Suha Maayeh
Sep 16, 2013 Updated: Sep 16, 2013 23:57:0

Gen Saket, who defected in March this year, said there had been an escalation in the use of chemical warfare against rebels, with poison gases used on fourteen separate occasions while he was serving in the armed forces. He had been informed oftwenty other times after his defection, he said.

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/world/syrian-army-defector-tells-of-dozens-of-chemical-attacks#ixzz2f5f58Hlu
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September 16th, 2013, 4:41 pm

 

zoo said:

Pro-Assad Lebanese give refuge to Syrians

The scale of Syria’s civil war has forced refugees in Lebanon to get past longstanding divisions.

Rania Abouzeid Last Modified: 16 Sep 2013 20:26
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/09/2013916122210173917.html


Srour, the local council head in Bazouriye, says that he knows most of the families his pro-Hezbollah town has taken in are anti-Assad. “We don’t ask that question, but we know from the way they are talking,” he says. In general, there’s no trouble, he adds, but “occasionally something flares up”. Srour has asked some Syrian refugees to leave, although he wouldn’t state how many. “I’m talking about people with bad manners, not bad politics,” he says. “I’m not obliged to put up with that.”

The Lebanese in general, and southerners in particular, know what it’s like to flee war, Srour explains. “We know what it means to find somebody who at a bare minimum can stand with you and understand your pain. They [Syrians] took us in in the past, in 2006. We would have preferred to repay them in a war with the enemy [Israel], not like this,” he added, acknowledging Hezbollah’s role in the Syrian civil war.

“May God return them to their homes soon. There is a lot of pressure.”

September 16th, 2013, 4:49 pm

 

zoo said:

Will this Paris Conference called by Kerry relaunch Geneva II with the important change that the US-Russia CW agreement made Bashar Al Assad’s presence indispensable.
Therefore the condition set by the Opposistio that he should be removed before they accept negotiations is no more sustainable.

The Paris chance for Turkey’s Syria policy revision

U.S .Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to brief his allies in the Syria conflict on Sept. 16 in Paris on the agreement he reached with the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Sept. 14 over the handover and control of the chemical weapons.

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu is invited by Kerry to the Paris conference along with his French, British and Saudi colleagues. Kerry already informed Israel about the plan yesterday.

September 16th, 2013, 5:03 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

My blood boils when I see what the American air-raids did to Iraq…

I am happy that Syria has been victorious in repelling an American attack. We could have had the same scene in Syria,

What?….are you telling me this is not in Iraq?…, where? in Syria?

September 16th, 2013, 5:11 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Time Magazine. Subscription required. There is about a page worth of article to read. The rest you can leave to your imagination whic should be sufficient:

The Cult of Bashar Assad

Even the Syrian President’s father didn’t want him to rule Syria. But the accidental dictator won’t give in

Monday, Sept. 16, 2013

[…]

September 16th, 2013, 5:33 pm

 

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September 16th, 2013, 5:47 pm

 

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September 16th, 2013, 5:59 pm

 

Syrian said:

yippee ki yay….
The 1st moments of capturing the helicopter pilot who have been throwing barrel bombs indiscriminately on Syrian towns

http://youtu.be/3lFYKekCT6s

September 16th, 2013, 6:09 pm

 

Syrian said:

The bravery of the Syrian revelution has spread to Zahle in Lebanon.
Christians Lebanese kicks Hizb boola out of Zahleh

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September 16th, 2013, 6:17 pm

 

zoo said:

Lavrov about the opposition: Don’t urge them to attend the peace conference, force them

http://english.cntv.cn/program/asiatoday/20130916/105062.shtml

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says it may be time to force Syrian rebels to attend an international peace conference instead of just urging them to do so.

Lavrov also accused European countries of trying to reinterpret the agreement he reached with US Secretary of State John Kerry. Under that deal, Syria would give up its chemical weapons arsenal to avoid US strikes.

Lavrov and Kerry announced in May that Russia and the US would seek to bring representatives from the Syrian government and opposition together at an international peace conference. But no date has ever been set.

September 16th, 2013, 6:33 pm

 

Syrian said:

The leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards which has been desgnited as a terrorist organization by the US,claim again that Iran is in controls of Lebanon through its agent the other US desgnited terrorist group Hizb boola.
http://youkal.net/2012-12-02-14-05-23/24-25/27402-??????-??????-??????

September 16th, 2013, 6:38 pm

 

zoo said:

Erdogan vent his furor over the CW agreement that will allow Bashar al Assad to stay in power maybe longer than him, by shooting a Syrian helicopter as the lost helicopter was back in Syria. The helicopter crashed inside Syrian territories

Syria says Turkey trying to increase tensions by downing helicopter

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-says-turkey-trying-to-increase-tensions-by-downing-helicopter.aspx?pageID=238&nid=54580&NewsCatID=352

Syria’s army said on Monday that Turkey had been “hasty” in shooting down a Syrian helicopter after it entered Turkish airspace and accused Prime Minister Tayyip Erdo?an’s government of trying to escalate tensions along the border.

“The hasty response from the Turkish side, especially as the aircraft was on its way back and was not charged with any combat missions, is proof of the true intentions of Erdogan’s government toward Syria to increase tensions and escalate the situation on the border between the two countries,” Syria’s armed forces said in a statement reported by the state news agency SANA.

September 16th, 2013, 6:39 pm

 

zoo said:

U.N. Team Confirms Syria Chemical Attack but Not Culpability

http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/09/u-n-team-confirms-syria-chemical-attack-but-not-culpability/

UNITED NATIONS, Sep 16 2013 (IPS) – After an intense investigation of the military attack on civilians in Syria last month, a U.N. team of arms inspectors has reached a predictable conclusion: the deadly attack had all the trappings of the widespread use of chemical weapons.

But the team left an equally important question unanswered: who was responsible for that attack?

According to a mandate given by Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, the U.N. team, led by Professor Ake Sellstrom of Sweden, did not have the authority to investigate culpability.

The government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and the rebel groups blame each other for the attack.

Dr. Ian Anthony, director of the Arms Control and Non-Proliferation Programme at the Stockolm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), told IPS the next logical step would seem to be for the Security Council to evaluate the information as an urgent matter and come to a conclusion on the issue of who is responsible for the use of chemical weapons.

“The Security Council, with all its members acting together, then needs to chart a path forward,” he added.

September 16th, 2013, 6:48 pm

 

ghufran said:

1406. Heads-up
I could not find a better and a smarter response to that post about the GCC: Toz

syrian, I am glad that you are serving as ” Safhat Al-Wafiyyat” instead of visitor and other Nusraphiles, keep the good job Khayyo !!

September 16th, 2013, 7:14 pm

 

Tara said:

There is no doubt that the regime is culpable.  

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/who-was-responsible-for-august-21st.html

This is the evidence that the Syrian government was capable of the attack, and had a history of using the munitions linked to the attack.  As for evidence of Syrian opposition responsibility, that appears rather thin on the ground….

September 16th, 2013, 7:16 pm

 

Tara said:

It is said that the  Sarin used in killing Syrian children was of an excellent quality.  A designer Sarin!  Fit for use by the stylish couple.   Asma buys a chandelier for $270,000 at the expense of starving children and her husband finishes them off with a designer Sarin

And they also hire master designer propagandists to whitewash their crimes..      

September 16th, 2013, 7:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian

In regard to the killed/captured pilot, can you imagine how many lives him saved ?!

Hope more pilots join him soon.

September 16th, 2013, 7:26 pm

 

zoo said:

As expected, the USA have instructed the new opposition PM’s that his first priority should be to fight Al Qaeda.
I expect Selim Idriss who publicly defended al Nusra to be replaced soon

Syria’s new opposition PM faces daunting al Qaeda challenge

ISTANBUL | Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:31pm EDT
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/15/us-syria-crisis-qaeda-idUSBRE98E0CU20130915

(Reuters) – The head of Syria’s new provisional government pledged on Sunday to curb the influence of al Qaeda militants he said exploited the opposition’s inability to fill a vacuum left by the collapse of President Bashar al-Assad’s authority in much of the country.

In his first interview since being chosen by the Syrian National Coalition this weekend to head a 13-member cabinet, moderate Islamist Ahmad Tumeh told Reuters the opposition had to confront al Qaeda ideologically by emphasizing that democracy did not contradict Islam and deny the group popularity by restoring public services in rebel-held areas.

“On top of the destruction and killing and displacement the regime has brought, people are now suffering from militants’ behavior,” Tumeh said. “The people pursued a basic quest for freedom (rather than) deeper despotism.”

Tumeh, a former political prisoner who advocated tolerance in a long political career, is the most senior opposition figure to take on al Qaeda publicly.

But he faces the daunting task of establishing a central administration in rebel-held areas, where hundreds of brigades without a unified command threaten chaos and disciplined al Qaeda fighters have a significant presence.

It also remains unclear whether Tumeh can boost the opposition’s credibility and relevance as high-stakes diplomacy plays out between Washington and Moscow to resolve Syria’s two-and-a-half year civil war.

He does have the support of Ahmad Jarba, the coalition’s president backed by Saudi Arabia, and became prime minister after a deal involving Qatar’s pointman in the opposition.

The Sunni Muslim states have been the rebels’ main backers, as they see defeating Assad as key to their confrontation with the Syrian leader’s main regional patron, Shi’ite Iran.

CRITICISING AL QAEDA TABOO

Criticizing al Qaeda, which rejects democracy and wants to establish a form of Islamic Caliphate, has been taboo among most Islamists in the Syrian opposition because of the group’s role in fighting Assad’s forces in the north and east of the country.

The eastern provincial capital of Raqqa partly fell under the control of groups affiliated to al Qaeda earlier this year, along with several towns in the neighboring province of Aleppo and in Idlib.

September 16th, 2013, 7:27 pm

 

Syrian said:

The FSA Qalmoan fighters captured about 40 of Zinab shrine civilians shabihas who were sent as an advance strike force.Looks like the regime is either out of forces or the Christain historic town is not high on its priority list.
http://youtu.be/3Zs5RsW1I2c

September 16th, 2013, 7:33 pm

 

zoo said:

Good luck Mr Tumeh! He was the only candidate to that job

Tumeh will start talks in the next few days to name his ministers, a process expected to take weeks. The government then plans to move into northern Syria, despite the risk of air strikes and shelling by Assad’s forces.

“So many have been killed for the cause of freedom. I and all the ministers (must) share the risk,” he said.

The first step necessary to asserting the provisional government’s authority was to take control of the border crossing with Turkey, now controlled by myriad rebel groups.

“First it has to be the crossings to secure the supply lines,” he said. “Then step-by-step we will make progress to restore security to the liberated areas and restart basic services and health and education.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/15/us-syria-crisis-qaeda-idUSBRE98E0CU20130915

September 16th, 2013, 7:38 pm

 

zoo said:

Curiously in the whole international community, only France, the UK and the USA have concluded that UN CW report is ‘abundantly clear’ that the attack’s responsibility belongs to the Syrian government.

The rest of the world is still doubting and asking for further investigation

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2013/0916/UN-report-affirms-nerve-gas-used-in-Syria-fueling-demands-for-accountability

Demands that the perpetrators of Syria’s chemical weapons attacks be determined and held accountable are multiplying after a report by United Nations weapons inspectors released Monday found “clear and convincing evidence” that the nerve gas sarin was used in the attacks on Damascus suburbs last month.

In presenting the weapons inspectors’ report to the Security Council, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called the Aug. 21 attack a “war crime” and demanded that those responsible for the attack be punished.

“The international community has a responsibility to hold the perpetrators accountable,” Mr. Ban told the council, “and to ensure that chemical weapons never reemerge as an instrument of warfare.”

September 16th, 2013, 7:47 pm

 

Tara said:

A Saudi film is being nominated for the Oscar. It already won in Cannes film festival.

Eat your heart out Iranian cinema.

😉

September 16th, 2013, 7:53 pm

 

Heads-up said:

“1433. GHUFRAN said:

1406. Heads-up
I could not find a better and a smarter response to that post about the GCC: Toz”

I could not find a smarter response to your stupid reply:

FEEK WAHDAK

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September 16th, 2013, 7:57 pm

 

Ziad said:

False Flag Operation against Syria? Lessons from the Vietnam War and the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution

The Obama administration wants war with Syria. It has been planned for quite some time. It does not matter what kind of deal was made. It does not mean that the crisis in Syria is over and that a peaceful solution is in a matter of time. The US will attempt anything to get into another war including a “False Flag” operation, which could be well on its way. Syria has just been given a week to declare its chemical weapons with the condition to allow international inspectors into the country.

The deal was reached between US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov in Geneva. At the press conference before the agreement, Kerry had said “Sure, he could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week – turn it over, all of it without delay and allow the full and total accounting, but he isn’t about to do it and it can’t be done“. No matter what Russia and the international community do to prevent any escalation of war, the Obama administration wants to launch strikes destabilizing the Assad government and the Middle East. President Bashar al-Assad will not accept continued US threats against his country while Western backed rebels are committing atrocities against civilians, most recently the attack on the Christian city of Maaloula. Syrian government forces eventually regained control of Maaloula. The talks between the US and Russia does not necessarily mean that a peace process will be established after a 2-year civil war. The possibility of a False Flag operation will be an option for the US government. A False Flag operation can take place since the majority of governments and people around the world (including the American people) are against a US attack on Syria.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/false-flag-operation-against-syria-lessons-from-the-vietnam-war-and-the-gulf-of-tonkin-resolution/5349979

September 16th, 2013, 8:08 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1419 Simo

Read my posts carefully. I am talking about surface-to-surface missile launchers. These things at not toys you can mount on moving cars and ride around with them.

Zoo understands what I am talking about, that’s why he ignore your “evidence”.

Try again. You seem to be the one who does not know what he is talking about.

September 16th, 2013, 8:21 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1423 Syrian Hamster

The rebels did this, with the jets that the Saudis gave them, which of course they have unless yo show me evidence that they do not have them.

sounds familiar?

September 16th, 2013, 8:33 pm

 

Tara said:

The many children killed in the attack, many of them wearing their pyjamas when the night-time attack took place, cry out for justice
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/16/sarin-attack-crimes-syria-justice

The rocket systems identified by the UN as used in the attack – truck-launched 330mm rockets with about 50 to 60 litres of sarin, as well as 140mm Soviet-produced rockets carrying a smaller sarin-filled warhead – are both known to be in the arsenal of the Syrian armed forces. They have never been seen in rebel hands. The amount of sarin used in the attack – hundreds of kilograms, according to Human Rights Watch’s calculations – also indicates government responsibility, as opposition forces have never been known to be in possession of such significant amounts of Sarin.

The various theories claiming to have “evidence” that opposition forces were responsible for the attack lack credibility. This was not an accidental explosion caused by opposition fighters who mishandled chemical weapons, as claimed by some commentators online. The attacks took place at two sites 16km (10 miles) apart, and involved incoming rockets, not on-the-ground explosions. This was not a chemical attack cooked up by opposition forces in some underground kitchen. It was a sophisticated attack involving military-grade sarin.

So, what next? The US-Russia plan to dispose of Syria’s vast arsenal of chemical weapons must be given a chance. But that requires a robust and independent monitoring and verification mechanism, and enforceable deadlines. Until just a few days ago, the Syrian government denied it even had a chemical weapons programme, and it is surely counting on Russia to shield it from meaningful enforcement.

One immediate step is for the UN security council to refer the situation in Syria to the international criminal court

September 16th, 2013, 8:53 pm

 

zoo said:

German intelligence says that Bashar did not order nor approved the chemical attack while the USA says he did, because it is ‘common sense to blame Bashar al Assad’

http://www.examiner.com/article/german-intercepts-clear-assad-sarin-atack

Gerhard Schindler, told German lawmakeers last week, that they had intercepted many messages to the presidential palace in Damascus, asking for permission to use sarin gas, all of which Assad refused. This is a direct contradiction of the White House talking memos that claimed we had proof positive that Assad was behind the attacks.

Gerhard Schindler is the head of the German Foreign Intelligence agency. Schindler, expressly told lawmakers that Assad did not order, nor did he approve of using sarin gas.

White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough said on CNN’s State of the Union, that it was only common sense to place the blame on Assad. That was a huge back up from Obama’s original remarks that they had irrefutable proof . And, now, just two days later McDonough’s remarks have to be called to attention.It is difficult to believe, German Intelligence didn’t share this information with us.

Russia put out a hundred page report, questioning whether the rebels had the wherewithal to conduct the August 21st attacks. Many in the intelligence community have said that they do not have any proof of who controls which weapons in Syria, meaning that the best they could do is guess.

September 16th, 2013, 8:56 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara@1436
Hundreds have been saved, thanks to the great Recep Tayyip Erdogan, most likely chemical Bashar pilots will stay now at least 10 miles from the Turkish borders which means more and more lives will be saved,
I also hope the rest of heard join their fellow beast soon.

September 16th, 2013, 9:00 pm

 

zoo said:

It’s only the beginning….

UN has allegations of 14 other gas attacks in Syria by both regime and rebels

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/16/202333/un-has-allegations-of-14-other.html#storylink=cpy

ISTANBUL — U.N. inspectors, who Monday confirmed the use of chemical weapons against a rebel-held area in the Damascus suburbs, were in Syria by coincidence, intending to investigate other gas attacks where the national government claims the rebels are responsible.

Led by Swedish chemical weapons expert Ake Sellstrom, the inspection team said in the report that it has every intention of traveling at a later point to Khan al Asal, which is near Aleppo, Syria’s biggest city, and two other locations, where one side or both are alleged to have used the long-proscribed chemical weapons.

In fact there are credible allegations that chemical weapons were used at more than a dozen locations in Syria since December 2012, according to a U.N. human rights watchdog body.

September 16th, 2013, 9:04 pm

 

Ghufran said:

AB Atwan:
The NC does not represent all of the opposition
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I still believe that armed Syrian rebels should be offered to participate in any future political settlement, if they refuse they will be remembered as the party that chose violence over peace. The demand by many in the opposition that Assad steps aside should not be used by Russia as a proof that rebels are unwilling to talk peace, however, if rebels insist on an Islamic state or on excluding seculars then you know they are not interested in a compromise.

September 16th, 2013, 9:07 pm

 
 

Tara said:

War crimes blamed on the Syrian opposition are predominantly being carried out by foreign fighters, a U.N. human rights investigator said on Monday. Reuters reports:

“If you’re going to look for the (opposition) groups that are committing the worst crimes, look particularly for the foreign fighters, where the foreign fighters are fighting,” Karen Koning Abuzayd told reporters in Geneva.[…]

Abuzayd is one of the four lead members of the U.N. Commission of Inquiry on Syria, a body set up by the U.N. Human Rights Council two years ago to investigate war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Syrian conflict. […]

The Guardian

September 16th, 2013, 9:17 pm

 

Syrian said:

Ghufran@1433
So if I just wrote the ages like you did on 1365 would have been fine, the named botherd you?
How about if I fellow your example on 1365 and post the ages of the hunderds of the Ghouta Massacres that you always add a “but” after a passing condemnation khayyo?!

September 16th, 2013, 9:21 pm

 

Ghufran said:

SYRIA
Syria’s Rebels Turn on One Another, and That’s Not a Bad Thing
By Aryn Baker @arynebakerSept. 16, 201320

Free Syrian Army fighters call out to forces loyal to Syria’s President Bashar Assad, urging them to defect, as another fighter stands guard in the old city of Aleppo on Sept. 1, 2013
Ongoing clashes between rival groups within the armed opposition intensified in Syria’s Aleppo province this past week following protests against the heavy-handed tactics of the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Infighting among rebels could spell trouble for an opposition movement seemingly on the wane, but it could also present an opportunity. If the moderate-leaning rebel groups can sever their symbiotic relationship with their al-Qaeda affiliates for good, they stand to get significantly more support from Western backers wary of inadvertently assisting old enemies. But it won’t be easy — even as the rivals battle for turf in Aleppo province, they have united to inflict a resounding defeat on government forces elsewhere in the country.
For the past several months rebel groups aligned with ISIS in Aleppo province have spent nearly as much energy battling factions serving under the umbrella of the Western-leaning Free Syrian Army (FSA) as they have fighting the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad. According to al-Quds al-Arabi, an Arabic-language newspaper published out of London, the media office of ISIS issued a statement on Sept. 12 saying it had launched a military campaign against FSA battalions in Aleppo province in response to a previous attack on the ISIS headquarters there. The most recent clashes, which took place in Bab, a district 25 km from the provincial capital, were sparked by an anti-ISIS rally. Enraged, members of the fundamentalist group shot into the crowd, injuring eight, says Abu Mohammad, an engineer who was at the scene.
Abu Mohammad, who spoke to TIME via Skype, estimates that over the past several months similar clashes have resulted in dozens of dead — and none of the victims were members of the Syrian government that the rebels are ostensibly seeking to overthrow. “People are fed up with their behavior. Anyone who disagrees with them is an infidel. Any moderate person is an infidel. Simply if you are not with them you are an infidel,” he says, asking to be identified only by his nickname, for his protection. The infidel accusation, according to ISIS’s draconian interpretation of Islamic law, can result in execution.
Abu Sohaib, an ISIS leader in the nearby town of Azaz, was not involved in the Bab conflict, but he defends the groups’ new campaign, telling TIME via Skype that ISIS is only fighting collaborators and war profiteers, not critics. He says most of the clashes started because members of the FSA were stealing money, humanitarian supplies and food aid destined for civilians. “People are fed up from the so-called FSA, because of their corruption and behavior. We launched the campaign to purify the revolution, and so far we have succeeded in eliminating most of those who profit from the revolution.”
Abdul Rahman Mattar, an Aleppo-based human-rights activist and writer, agrees that ISIS and its ideological sibling Jabhat al-Nusra, which is listed as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department, were initially welcomed in the area for their superior fighting skills and low tolerance for the petty corruption of FSA soldiers. But, he adds, speaking to TIME via Skype, their harsh interpretation of Islamic law is starting to grate on local Syrians who don’t share that ideology. “People don’t want to replace one dictatorship with another,” says Mattar. “One of the main problems of ISIS in Syria is that many of its fighters are outsiders, and they don’t understand Syrian society.” Still, he adds, “I cannot understand how they forgot about fighting the regime and focused instead on fighting the rebels.”

Aryn Baker is the Middle East Bureau Chief for TIME, covering politics, society, culture, religion, the arts and the military in the greater Middle East, including Pakistan and Afghanistan. She currently resides in Beirut, Lebanon.

September 16th, 2013, 9:24 pm

 

Syrian said:

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https://m.facebook.com/Christian.rebels?__user=100003131418721

September 16th, 2013, 9:30 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Syrian,
Do you really want this forum to become like ” Safhet Waffiyat” ?
We know that many Syrians are getting killed everyday, however, people who carry weapons are not the same as civilians who lose their lives due to the brutality of the regime or the rebels. We should all condemn targetting civilians regardless of who the killers are.

September 16th, 2013, 9:33 pm

 

Tara said:

It just occurs to me that the regime spared Harasta from the use of the chemical weapons because of HIM. Rumors has it that the Mahdi appeared in Harasta. The regime did not want to upset the Malalis by gassing him.

Rumors did bot elaborate of what has happened to him. I certainly hope the Mahdi was not visiting Ain Tarma. I like happy ending. Marriage is not prohibited in Islam. It is considered a good thing. Why are the rumors keeping low profile. I can’t blame him if he did it.

The Mahdi song is incessantly playing in my head this evening, and the rituals, and the sound of self-inflicted slaps on human flesh.

I wish some one links it again.

September 16th, 2013, 9:37 pm

 

zoo said:

Jihadists on the run

As world watches Syria, Egypt launches major campaign against jihadists in Sinai

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/09/16/as-world-watches-syria-egypt-launches-major-campaign-against-jihadists-in-sinai/?intcmp=latestnews#ixzz2f6sQKEBM

September 16th, 2013, 9:41 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara,
Here you go,
http://youtu.be/ixDRBvydp0I
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September 16th, 2013, 9:45 pm

 

Syrian said:

Ghufran:
Fine,if it means that much to you, no more obituaries,
Is funeral ok though?
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http://youtu.be/L2Hz_nnAdN8

September 16th, 2013, 9:57 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Tara,
This is the final segment of the Reuters article that you posted part of:

Diplomats say regional powers such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar that are funding the foreign fighters must agree to stop supporting them in order for a peace deal to be struck at Geneva. In return, Syria’s allies Iran and Russia would have to stop supplying weapons to Assad’s government.
However, there would be a risk that foreign fighters would remain in Syria and keep fighting.
“We need somehow somebody who has contacts with these foreign fighters who represent them in some way or another,” said a U.N. official.
“Stopping the violence entails stopping these people,” said a diplomat who expects to be involved in any Geneva 2 talks.
(Reporting by Tom Miles, additional reporting by Dasha Afanasieva in Istanbul; editing by Stephanie Nebehay and Ralph Boulton)

September 16th, 2013, 9:57 pm

 

Tara said:

Syrian,

Thank you.

I am looking for an age-appropriate course in finding “Link for Dummies” and “punctuation for Dummies”.

Willing to travel a distance.

Trying to get rid of inappropriate use of dots and commas.

September 16th, 2013, 10:07 pm

 

Syrian said:

Tara:
You welcome, I just typed in you tube search?? ????and it showed up,

Here is the for ever funny Homsies answer to that video
http://youtu.be/9mEWCR0tDJI

September 16th, 2013, 10:14 pm

 

Syrian said:

Hitting a tank with Kunkors missille out side Homs
http://youtu.be/7ducl51bXRc

September 16th, 2013, 10:28 pm

 

don said:

Are we supposed to be shocked by what’s happening in Ma’loula?!

September 16th, 2013, 11:44 pm

 

omen said:

PBS NEWSHOUR: Free Syrian Army Chief: Foreign Weapon Donations Will Go Into the ‘Right Hands’

GWEN IFILL: President Obama said a few weeks ago that he would send arms to help you. Have you received those arms?

SALIM IDRIS: We are receiving now many kinds of support from our American friends.

But I can’t talk in media about — in detail about military support. You excuse me, please. You know this is very critical, and I can’t talk about it.

September 17th, 2013, 12:20 am

 

annie said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FIrcKl5CaY

full report here; escape from an Assadist prison

September 17th, 2013, 12:35 am

 

don said:

OMEN the Israeli is gloating about Israeli death squad slaves killing the people of Syria

September 17th, 2013, 12:51 am

 

omen said:

former cia official interviewed on 60 minutes:

Because of concern about the potential for the area to become a hotbed of radical Islam, Morell said the best resolution would be a negotiated settlement to the civil war raging there.

“It’s gonna take the institution of the Syrian military and the institutions of the Syrian security services to defeat Al Qaeda when this is done. And every day that goes by, every day that goes by, those institutions are eroded,” he told Miller.

He said the best way to bring the warring parties to the negotiating table would be to provide just enough support to the opposition that they could pose a credible threat to Bashar Assad’s regime.

US launching a limited strike would bring the regime to the table lickety split. why go for the option that prolongs the war? what’s so special about 2014?

September 17th, 2013, 12:55 am

 

annie said:

Open letter: let us treat patients in Syria
. See appendix for the list of signatories
The conflict in Syria has led to what is arguably one of the world’s worst humanitarian crises since the end of the Cold War. An estimated 100 000 people have been killed, most of them civilians, and many more have been wounded, tortured, or abused. Millions have been driven from their homes, families have been divided, and entire communities torn apart; we must not let considerations of military intervention destroy our ability to focus on getting them help.

As doctors and medical professionals from around the world, the scale of this emergency leaves us horrified. We are appalled by the lack of access to health care for affected civilians, and by the deliberate targeting of medical facilities and personnel. It is our professional, ethical, and moral duty to provide treatment and care to anyone in need. When we cannot do so personally, we are obliged to speak out in support of those risking their lives to provide life-saving assistance.

Systematic assaults on medical professionals, facilities, and patients are breaking Syria’s health-care system and making it nearly impossible for civilians to receive essential medical services.

According to WHO, 37% of Syrian hospitals have been destroyed and a further 20% severely damaged. Makeshift clinics have become fully fledged trauma centres struggling to cope with the injured and sick.
According to the Violations Documentation Centre, an estimated 469 health workers are currently imprisoned, and about 15 000 doctors have been forced to flee abroad according to the Council on Foreign Relations. Of the 5000 physicians in Aleppo before the conflict started, only 36 remain.1
The targeted attacks on medical facilities and personnel are deliberate and systematic, not an inevitable nor acceptable consequence of armed conflict. Such attacks are an unconscionable betrayal of the principle of medical neutrality.

read on here : http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2813%2961938-8/fulltext

September 17th, 2013, 12:57 am

 

don said:

Annie dear, can you please explain to the blog readers the difference between your so called Assadist and Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay jails?

1467. annie said:

September 17th, 2013, 12:59 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Wet-pants chemical-athad’s idea of Preparing for a new school year in athadithtan.

September 17th, 2013, 1:07 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1459 Syrian

I actually enjoyed listening and found it very soothing, It is a shame we lived in a country and an age where people felt they needed to hide their religious celebrations and customs from others. I am not a religious person but I have always been fascinated with the mystique of religious customs, and this one is no exception.

September 17th, 2013, 1:17 am

 

omen said:

lest you think that things are looking up for the opposition with idriss suggesting more help is being received and former cia official also endorsing limited support – here, kissinger argues to keep assad in place!

cnn interview with kissinger & zbig brzezinski:

ZAKARIA: Zbigniew, there is one area though where people say there is a big disagreement which is Russia wants Assad to stay in power. The president has said Assad must go.

BRZEZINSKI: The president said Assad must go without having a strategy to make him go and we have now seen the consequences of that. I think maybe there will be some formula that will resolve that dilemma.

For example, Assad’s term expires next year [2014]. This issue’s not going to be solve so quickly. Perhaps something can be contrived, especially if, at the same time, there is a movement in the American- Iranian dialogue so that aspect becomes somewhat contained, perhaps pacified, perhaps begins to lead to some sort of understandings.

ZAKARIA: Henry, there was an op-ed by Edward Luttwak, a strategic analyst, who argued that it does not serve America’s interest to have a kind of violent regime change of the Assad regime because what is likely to follow is chaos and radical Islam.

And nor does it serve our interest for Assad to consolidate power, that in a strange way this stalemate helps American interests. What do you think of that theory.

KISSINGER: I think it was a mistake to define the issue in Syria as the removal of one leader. The issue in Syria is the historic conflict between Shiites and Sunnis and the Sunni revolt against a Shiite minority dominated Syria in which, however, most of the other minorities are supporting the Alawite, which is the Shia position.

So, the position for the United States is to work on a transition government and not make it dependent with the — on the removal of the Syrian leader, especially not make it dependent at the very beginning of the process.

From the beginning, Putin has said that the immediate removal of Assad would lead to chaos. That’s probably a correct sentiment.

ZAKARIA: Zbigniew, do you think that this is, at the end of the day, a success in foreign policy terms or has the Obama administration snatched some kind of victory from the jaws of defeat?

BRZEZINSKI: I don’t think it is a victory for either side, first of all. The Russians are avoiding something that they would not like to see happen in the region.

We are prevented from doing something which would be equally damaging to the region, but worse probably for us, namely some pointless military strike which merely dramatizes American involvement in the war and probably then an escalation of the effort.

Our actions were misconceived, badly calculated and I think this gets us off the hook. We can’t use force anymore overtly unless Assad is stupid enough to use chemical weapons again, which I doubt.

September 17th, 2013, 1:26 am

 

annie said:

http://www.thenational.ae/world/syrian-army-defector-tells-of-dozens-of-chemical-attacks
Brigadier general who defected in March says orders for chemical-weapon attacks were issued from central command.

September 17th, 2013, 1:33 am

 

omen said:

somebody put a smiley face at the bottom of the page.

September 17th, 2013, 1:35 am

 
 

Syrian said:

Hopeful:
I’m not gonna deny that clip have a rhythm and the guy has a good voice,but when the words of those religious songs turn from celebrations to a call for revenge of events happened 1400 years ago is when all hell break loose.
There are a very different types of chanting that really call for universal peace , most famous are Rumi’s followers that later evolved into today’s the dancing dervishes.
My favorite Rumi’s poem is
“Come, come, whoever you are. Wanderer, worshiper, lover of leaving. It doesn’t matter. Ours is not a caravan of despair. come, even if you have broken your vows a thousand times. Come, yet again , come , come.”
Here is a clip from Damascus whirling dervishes, it start slow then it picks up around minut
5:00
http://youtu.be/1Jl4Di-BL90

September 17th, 2013, 2:48 am

 

Hopeful said:

#Syrian

I hear you! Beautiful poem – thanks for sharing.

September 17th, 2013, 3:31 am

 

Hopeful said:

Syria hales “giving up the right for the Golan Heights” as a great victory!

“It is a great victory”, Said Sharif Shehadeh! “By giving up the Golan Heights, Syria is averting a potential war with Israel, one that will destroy our country and bring misery to our citizens. We want Syrians to continue to live in the paradise that they have been enjoying for the past few years”

September 17th, 2013, 3:45 am

 

omen said:

692.I must admit that on one of the first videos which emerged showing only military age men and children laying on the floor obviously dead is a strange combination. Where were the dead mothers in that video?

it was explained to me there is cultural sensitivity to filming women. notice in the treatment of poisoned children, medics were having to lift shirts to rinse the skin.

in newspapers reports, doctors were quoted noting women also died.

I read that during the attack Syrian schools had holidays so children should have been at home with their mothers and siblings. Anyway this and other unclear details must be inspected thoroughly before nations rush to war.

people seek shelter in basements during shellings.

September 17th, 2013, 4:25 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Hazem Nahar says it best…

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September 17th, 2013, 6:27 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

1444. Hopeful said:

#1419 Simo

Read my posts carefully. I am talking about surface-to-surface missile launchers. These things at not toys you can mount on moving cars and ride around with them.

Zoo understands what I am talking about, that’s why he ignore your “evidence”.

Try again. You seem to be the one who does not know what he is talking about

Well well poor Hopeful. In the comment 1409 Zoo asked

1409. zoo said:
Who can prove that Al Qaeda and the rebels do not have rocket launchers in their arsenal?

In 1412 you gave your answer

1412. Hopeful said:
#1409 Zoo
If they have them, why haven’t they used them yet? You think they would resist the temptation of launching missles at the residential palace instead of the pathetic mortar shells?

1416. Hopeful said:
#1414 Zoo
I don’t need to ask. The answer is as obvious as sunshine: THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM!

You do not even have the balls to admit that you made a mistake. In your blind hate your readiness Hopeful to lie and twist your words is astonishing. Well that is normal for extremists and propagandists.

When somebody asks you do the rebels have rocket launchers you answer clearly no they do not. When your claim is proven wrong you begin to say, that you had said surface-to-surface missile launchers. Simply hilarious Hopeful, but it is a hopeless explanation. You do not answer no they do not have, if you mean a different weapon type which was meant in the question asked.

Rocket launchers are rather simple weapons and have been used for ages. Basically rocket launchers are like a cannon. The launching tube’s “position” gives the ammunition (rocket) the direction and distance where it is wanted to land. As Gazas locally made rockets show the needed technical skills to produce and launch such weapons is not very high.

The UN report mentions surface-to-surface rocket (M14 and 330 mm artillery rockets). As the pictures in the UN study show they were not parts of some heavy relative high tech missile. Both sides could easily have access to such rather basic rockets.

September 17th, 2013, 7:12 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

I see Sim has taken a breather from his obsession with the Zionist Entity to those seeking freedom in Syria.

All from the comfort of a free liberal country like Finland.

The solution? It seems to me we should make Assad prethident of Finland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Society

September 17th, 2013, 7:32 am

 

SimoHurtta said:

1484. Akbar Palace said:

I see Sim has taken a breather from his obsession with the Zionist Entity to those seeking freedom in Syria.

All from the comfort of a free liberal country like Finland.

The solution? It seems to me we should make Assad prethident of Finland.

Well what a Jew from the comfort of a fortified settlement on stolen land is whining? Have you Akbar today kicked some Palestinian boys in “Samaria” and done your favourite hobby = humiliated Palestinian women and girls on check points? Have your countrymen already transported those black African refugees to those regimes who took the Israel offer of free weapons? Have you given freedom to those millions of Palestinians? Freedom, do you people there in the Jewish wonderland even understand, what the word means? Or equality.

Why a Finn can not criticize Israel or Syria? Both countries are certainly not liberal countries. By the way Akbar how a Israeli Jew and a devoted Zionist can actually criticize anybody? It like a rapist criticising …

What comes to Syria I here in SC mostly only question obvious propaganda made by you Israelis or American “Syrians” demanding bombing of Syria. Well and that californian.nonSyrian.nonMuslim who used the name Kill Assad (= Omen). I am certainly no regime supporter or admirer. But I also not not want to see Syria, Egypt etc to be turned to failed states like Somalia, which is what you people in Israel and some in USA want so desperately.

Strange Akbar, that you were not be banned here in SC because you called these Arabs openly as Towel-heads. 🙂

September 17th, 2013, 8:52 am

 

zoo said:

1475. annie

He certainly got a good reward for that ‘scoop’ coming just in time. It took him 6 months of negotiations with the Saudi to agree on the price and the compensations.
He will soon join the cohort of briefly ‘famous’ defectors that have disappeared into thin ear.

September 17th, 2013, 8:53 am

 

zoo said:

Omen

It seems that Selim Idriss was told to shut up and stop whining after declaring just a few days ago that ‘honestly we got nothing from our American friends “.
In any case the poor guy’s days are counted as the commander in chief, he is Al Nusra supporter

“SALIM IDRIS: We are receiving now many kinds of support from our American friends.

But I can’t talk in media about — in detail about military support. You excuse me, please. You know this is very critical, and I can’t talk about it.”

September 17th, 2013, 8:59 am

 

zoo said:

The Syria borders war has started…

Tumeh, the new SNC PM has declared that the priority of his ‘good’ militias in the FSA is to regain full control of all the Syria-Turkish borders now in the hands of the Islamists,
Today he got his first answer

Car bomb explodes at Syria-Turkey crossing: Activists

AMMAN – Reuters
A car bomb exploded on the Syrian side of the main Bab al-Hawa crossing with Turkey on Tuesday and at least a dozen people were taken to nearby hospitals, Syrian opposition activists on the border said.

September 17th, 2013, 9:05 am

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you know, our very well informed and highly reliable sources continue to work very hard, behind the scenes and around the clock in order to bring you the news before it becomes news.

Today’s heads up is not about the cursed Serpent, Ass-head, but the Serpent could have something to do with it due to its presence among Mankind which could have a very deleterious and negative effect on the wellbeing of humanity in the sense that it could lead it to follow wicked ways for its own detriment, specifically by corrupting the very justice system of mankind.

It has come to the attention of our benefactors that the shooter in the massacre which took place in the Washington Navy Yard, which by all accounts is a clear terrorist act, is advancing the argument of so-called post traumatic stress disorder in his defense of commiting the heinous crime, and it seems the justice system is buying it despite the horrific nature of the crime. It should be noted that a similar crime committed by the Jordanian Muslim, Nidal Hassan, few years ago was swiftly categorized as a terrorist act and the accused was sentenced to death within only one month.

The same circumstances surround the two crimes including the psychological states of the actors. The only difference in yesterday’s crime is that the killer is a Bhuddhist!!!

We, at heads up, believe something needs to be done about the Serpent-head, usurper of power in Damascus. It clearly has a negative influence on the justice system which seems to have descended to such a misrably low level as of late.

September 17th, 2013, 9:07 am

 

zoo said:

Syria security official says rebels have missiles, sarin gas

(AFP) / 17 September 2013

Syria rebels possess ground-to-ground missiles and sarin, and a UN report on chemical weapons use shows they carried out attacks near Damascus, a high-ranking Syrian security source said on Tuesday.

“I categorically deny that we have used sarin gas, for the reason that we had no interest in doing so. We were winning in the battlefield,” the official said a day after a UN report on an August 21 attack was published.

“It is generally the losers who adopt such a suicidal attitude. On the contrary, the army was winning,” he said.

The UN investigation team said in its report that it had “clear and convincing” evidence that sarin gas was used in an August 21 attack on rebel areas near Damascus, and that chemical weapons have been used on a “relatively large-scale” in the 30-month-old Syrian conflict.

The UN report does not say who used the weapons, though the opposition and its allies have blamed Assad’s troops.

According to the Syrian security source, “the terrorists locally manufacture ground-to-ground missiles, and it is highly likely that they used them to transport” the toxic chemical sarin.

President Bashar Al Assad’s regime has systematically referred to opponents and rebels fighting its loyalists as “terrorists”.

“Of course the rebels know how to load missiles with sarin. They have been trained by the US, French and British secret services, which are active on the ground,” said the source.

Asked why the Syrian army stocked chemical arms, he said: “At a particular time in history, there was the desire to have this kind of weapon to create a strategic balance with Israel.

“It was nothing more than a way to dissuade the Zionist enemy, which has an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.”

September 17th, 2013, 9:08 am

 

zoo said:

Russia’s Lavrov continues to insist sarin attack likely carried out by Syria rebels

By Will Englund, Tuesday, September 17, 8:52

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/russias-lavrov-continues-to-insist-sarin-attack-likely-carried-out-by-syria-rebels/2013/09/17/426ffede-1f94-11e3-8459-657e0c72fec8_story.html

MOSCOW – Despite U.S.-Russia negotiated agreement for the Syrian government to surrender its chemical weapons, Russia did not budge Tuesday from its assertion that the Aug. 21 sarin attack near Damascus was likely carried out by rebels.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said, after a meeting here with his French counterpart, Laurent Fabius, “We have very serious reasons to believe that this was an act of provocation.” He said the ability of the U.N. Security Council to direct an “unbiased, impartial, and professional” investigation of the attack will be a “litmus test.”

September 17th, 2013, 9:12 am

 

zoo said:

Two Syrians belonging to the FSA charged for the car bombing in Shia areas in Beirut that killed 20 people

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/09/17/Syrians-wanted-for-targeting-Hezbollah/UPI-99011379423521/

BEIRUT, Lebanon, Sept. 17 (UPI) — A military judge in Beirut issued arrest warrants for two Syrian suspects accused of targeting a Hezbollah convoy in southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah’s role in the Syrian civil war has lead to a heightened state of security in neighboring Lebanon. At least 20 people were killed in August when a car bomb exploded in a Hezbollah stronghold in Beirut. One Hezbollah member was killed and three others were injured in a July ambush at a border crossing near Syria.

Judicial sources told Lebanon’s The Daily Star newspaper military investigative Judge Imad Zein issued arrest warrants Tuesday for two Syrian men suspected of playing a role in the July attack.

The newspaper said both men were suspected members of the rebel Free Syrian Army. It said one of the suspects allegedly used Qatari funds meant for rebel support in Syria to carry out the attack on Hezbollah.

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2013/09/17/Syrians-wanted-for-targeting-Hezbollah/UPI-99011379423521/#ixzz2f9jrIgs7

September 17th, 2013, 9:26 am

 

Akbar Palace said:

Kicking Palestinian BoyZ NewZ

… kicked some Palestinian boys…humiliated Palestinian women … transported those black African refugees…given freedom to those millions of Palestinians? Freedom, do you people there in the Jewish wonderland even understand, what the word means? Or equality.

Sim,

Thank you for outlining the terrible crimes of the Zionist Project.

We are guilty of all the above except for the last item: Israel DOES provide freedom to all her citizens irrespective of race, religion, or political persuasion. Freedom of speech, free elections, free to live and work where ever you want.

Which begs the question, why are you so tolerant of Assad and so strict with the GOI? And why don’t you expect the Assad family to provide freedom after 40 years?

If you can answer these 2 questions, I think the anti-regime folks here would take you a little more seriously, and they’re not even pro-Israel.

September 17th, 2013, 10:07 am

 

Hopeful said:

#1483 SimoHurtta

“When your claim is proven wrong you begin to say, that you had said surface-to-surface missile launchers….”

Simo, the discussion was about the surface-to-surface missile launchers that were used in the chemical attack. This was the context of my and Zoo’s posts. I never mentioned the word “rockets” – in fact I mentioned that the rebels have mortar shells. If you want to continue to believe otherwise, I won’t stop you.

“In your blind hate your readiness Hopeful to lie and twist your words is astonishing. Well that is normal for extremists and propagandists….”

Hate? Extremism? Wow! where did you ever see me post hateful or extremist views? Aren’t you going overboard with your personal attacks? Please help me understand your rage against me, because I do not get it!

September 17th, 2013, 10:18 am

 

Tara said:

http://www.aljazeera.net/mob/f6451603-4dff-4ca1-9c10-122741d17432/f596e21f-880e-46d0-8f40-6d402e2e488e

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September 17th, 2013, 10:20 am

 

zoo said:

Uncovering pro-opposition propagandists

Pro-opposition Syria analyst admits faking Ph.D. story

Published September 17, 2013
FoxNews.com

Embattled Syria analyst Elizabeth O’Bagy now admits she was never enrolled in a Ph.D. program despite claims to the contrary as she rose — and quickly fell — as a prominent scholar whose writings were used to make the case for military intervention in Syria.

O’Bagy also has resigned from a Washington-based, pro-Syrian opposition group in the wake of the controversy.

The resignation and the admission, made in a statement to The Daily Beast, caps a remarkable turn of events for O’Bagy, who a little more than a week ago was traveling in rarified circles, as a frequently quoted analyst whose work was also cited on Capitol Hill. Both Secretary of State John Kerry and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., touted her analysis that the Syrian opposition was mostly moderate, as they pushed for a strike on the Assad regime.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/17/pro-opposition-syria-analyst-admits-faking-phd-story/#ixzz2fA3aL98r

September 17th, 2013, 10:44 am

 

zoo said:

‘West trying to impose will on Syria’

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2013/09/17/west-trying-impose-will-syria

Damascus has accused the West of trying to impose its will on the Syrian people, after major powers said they would press for a UN resolution to rid Syria of chemical arms.

“The United States, France and Britain have revealed their true objective … which is to impose their will on the Syrian people,” the foreign ministry said on Tuesday.

It meanwhile accused the West of “supporting armed terrorist groups linked to the (al-Qaeda-allied) Al-Nusra Front”, which has joined the rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad.

The foreign ministry statement comes after Washington, London and Paris agreed to press a UN resolution to ensure Assad complies with a US-Russian plan that would see Syria’s chemical arsenal destroyed by mid-2014.

After talks in Paris on Monday with his French and British counterparts, US Secretary of State John Kerry said: “If Assad fails to comply with the framework (of the US-Russian plan) we are all agreed that there will be consequences.”

The three countries also agreed to step up their assistance to the anti-Assad opposition, which Damascus views as a new obstacle to ending the 30-month Syrian war.

“Claims by the United States and its allies that they want a political solution for the crisis in Syria … contradict their never-ending attempts … at imposing their conditions, and at supporting groups that practice violence and terrorism in Syria,” the foreign ministry said.

It also lashed out at a statement by Kerry that Assad had “lost all legitimacy … to govern his country”.

“President Bashar al-Assad is the legitimate president, chosen by the Syrian people, and who will stay as long as the Syrian people want,” the foreign ministry statement said.

“President Assad is exercising his functions in conformity with the constitution, which was approved by the Syrian people,” it added.

September 17th, 2013, 10:46 am

 

zoo said:

After singing the song “Bomb, Bomb, Bomb” that turned out to be a total flop, the three sopranos, France, UK and USA have a new one: “He did it, he did it”
Their hopes that other countries will join now don’t seem to work.

September 17th, 2013, 10:52 am

 

zoo said:

Former CIA agent says U.S. agency fabricated evidence to go to war against Syria
17.09.2013

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/17-09-2013/125677-evidence_fabricated-0/

WASHINGTON / USA – The intelligence material gathered to prove the guilt of the Syrian government for the alleged use of chemical weapons was made ??by members of the U.S. intelligence community to deceive President Barack Obama and convince him to take measure of punishment , according to Ray McGovern , a veteran of the CIA itself (Central Intelligence Agency), in an interview with the Russian news agency RT.

McGovern was one of the signatories of a letter of veteran intelligence employees delivered to Obama, the agent pointing out that Bashar al-Assad is not responsible for the alleged attack with chemical weapons , and that “the CIA director, John Brennan , is committing the same pre-Iraq fraud on members of Congress , the media and the public.”

Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years and worked with seven presidents, responsible, during the 80s, for preparing daily morning reports with the material gathered by the agency to the head of government. McGovern was a fierce critic of the Iraq war led by President George W. Bush in 2003. More recently, he also criticized the government’s actions in the episode involving the founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, responsible for the leak of secret documents. He even said at the time that the only crime of Assange was “spreading the truth”.

September 17th, 2013, 11:12 am

 

zoo said:

Obama Waives Ban on Arming Terrorists So He Can Aid Syrian Rebels

http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-so-he-can-aid-syrian-rebels9


Current and former intelligence officials have repeatedly said it is next to impossible to control who gets arms that are sent into a chaotic civil war like Syria’s. And Representative Justin Amash (R-MI) noted last week that the Obama administration’s arming of Syrian rebels violates the law.

Not anymore, apparently. The president’s power to pick and choose which laws do and do not apply to his administration has succeeded in sweeping this legal problem under the rug. On the other hand, it’s not so great for PR if you have to exempt yourself from laws that ban support for terrorists.

September 17th, 2013, 11:20 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Wonder if calling someone towel-head is much worse than treating them as “empty head” or “dumb-head”.

September 17th, 2013, 12:17 pm

 

zoo said:

The two old Middle East colonial powers that have divided, shamefuly exploited and weakened the ME region after WW1 and WW2 to suit their own selfish interests now want to destroy even more so they can get back their old glory, in the name of justice.

In the name of all the countries that suffered from their oppression, I hope Syria will give them a good lesson of humility in minding their own dirty business once for all.

The new colonial power got a good lesson in 9/11, in Iraq and in Iran, it is now reluctant to expose itself to more humiliation.

September 17th, 2013, 12:26 pm

 

omen said:

1502. zoo: The new colonial power got a good lesson in 9/11, in Iraq and in Iran, it is now reluctant to expose itself to more humiliation.

i find all of this anthropomorphizing of countries ridiculous. nations don’t act to “save face” or to “maintain credibility” or none of the nonsense rationales you hear pundits prattle on about that zoo is aping. countries act to violate their own credibility every damn day. the reason they are able to do so is because 1. citizens don’t pay attention and 2. corporate media is often used to cover government wrong doing.

one critique that left me stunned was deconstruction of an npr segment that failed to note despite protestations against atrocities waged at the time, the US, in actuality, covertly supported the junta in guatemala responsible for mass killings. (what are we left with if even npr cannot be trusted?)

the west would gladly “humiliate” itself if the bottom line demonstrated they would profit tremendously to do so.

contrary to domestic politicking the sets up iran as an evil foe, west refuses to intervene because it is bending over backwards to appease iran. we handed them iraq. obviously, we are also handing them over syria.

September 17th, 2013, 1:56 pm

 

omen said:

coincidentally, someone pointed to this video where prominent iranians testify how america has acted to defend iran’s interests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ectgfwhEig#t=168

i am reminded intercepts caught rumskull’s close friend chalabi speaking frequently with iran.

September 17th, 2013, 2:33 pm

 

Uzair8 said:

Is it true Shaykh Ramadan al-Buti (ra) supported the Libyan uprising?

Came across this claim on Deenport posted 5 days ago:

All that fuss over regime change; was it worth it? Shaykh Buti (rahimahullah) quoted as looking down at us “foolish Muslims” saying “I told you so”.

Oh. Wait a minute. He (rahimahullah) gave full support to the Libyan uprising. Hmmm. Khalifa sahib, would love your analysis on this one. Not.

(Not to mention all the top Libyan ulema – oh wait minute, it doesn’t matter of you’re Libyan, a scholar. Your opinion only counts if you’re a seasoned journalist).

Faisal Raja

Under the ‘Messages’ column on Deenport click on thread title ‘Libya – 1 year on’. Look to the column on the far right and scroll down the thread.

The reason I want to know is because some argue from a religious point of view the impermissability of rebelling against the ruler. They hold up Shaykh Ramadan al-Buti (ra) as a strong proponent of this arguement. If the late Shaykh did back the Libyan uprising then it creates a major problem for those people who oppose the Syrian uprising on the above mentioned grounds.

Thanks in advance.

PS: If I remember correct the regime (and it’s media) were supportive of the Libyan uprising. (?)

September 17th, 2013, 3:18 pm

 

omen said:

sometimes i don’t know when to sheath my dagger. i’m a fan of puns and “zoo is aping” was too much of a temptation to resist!

sorry?

September 17th, 2013, 3:21 pm

 

Tara said:

Omen

You are very very well-raised. I really like genuine authentic civility. Lots of us can definitely learn some non-fake politeness.

September 17th, 2013, 4:06 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Regime-friendly commentators have a difficult time accepting that all extant evidence points to the use of chemical weapons by Assad’s armed forces. Not one robust piece of evidence has been adduced to support an alternative, let alone a credible narrative comprising all that is known.

One commentator suggests that the two identified types of surface-to-surface rockets proven to have contained sarin were somehow in the arsenal of the ‘rebels’ . . . . without a shred of warranted information put forward to support this suggestion.

Simply saying that ‘rockets’ are in the hands of the ‘rebel’ side is not good enough. Saying that arms depots were ‘looted’ of rockets is not good enough. The case for complicity must show that the two rockets and delivery systems are in ‘rebel’ hands.

What Assad cheerleaders must do to assemble a credible alternative story is to account for the facts already in hand, contained in the UN report.

The best that has been put forward here is something like this:

“The rebels might have looted the weapons”

“The rebels could have been were trained in sarin handling and deployment by the West/Joos/Saudis”

“The rockets maybe were fired from ‘rebel’ territory”

“Sarin is I guess easily-made, bought, mixed, and distributed”

One commentator tries to stitch together the various wisps of maybes and perhapses:

“The rebel side including the Al Qaida have rocket launchers, plenty and many kinds of them. There are numerous of videos and pictures which prove it. With Google image search you find masses of evidence of that.”

Let’s unpack. The rocket-types that were proven to have delivered sarin were the M14 140mm artillery rocket and the 330mm rocket identified by the UN inspectors. The expert forensic examiners have weighed in — these are very particular weapons.

As for numerous videos “which prove” ‘rebel’ rocket launchers, see that the question is not about a general class of arms, but a particular set, identified and illustrated.

Does the ‘rebel side’ have the 330 and the M14? Has one single detailed ‘report’ of any kind come to light showing the ‘rebel side’ in possession of all the elements of the system that was used August 21?

No. No detail so far from the “Rebels did it” side to support this contention.

We should be aware of where the burden of proof lies; here one commentator gets it backward:

“Who can prove that Al Qaeda and the rebels do not have rocket launchers in their arsenal?”

The burden of proof rests on the regime side. The question is ‘where is the proof credible evidence that the rebels have both rockets and delivery systems?”

Here is the burden of proof restated (from the Guardian):

The rocket systems identified by the UN as used in the attack – truck-launched 330mm rockets with about 50 to 60 litres of sarin, as well as 140mm Soviet-produced rockets carrying a smaller sarin-filled warhead – are both known to be in the arsenal of the Syrian armed forces. They have never been seen in rebel hands. The amount of sarin used in the attack – hundreds of kilograms, according to Human Rights Watch’s calculations – also indicates government responsibility, as opposition forces have never been known to be in possession of such significant amounts of Sarin.

One of our apologists said this:

“When serious inventories, instead of reliance again on Youtube, will be made of what weapons are in the possession of the rebels, then conclusions on responbility can be reached.”

This is again backwards. Recordings of possession and use of particular armaments are in themselves raw evidence, a visual testament subject to examination and analysis. The ‘serious inventory’ is partially assembled from such evidence given such weighing. There is a dog that did not bark in the night in this instance: where are the converging lines of evidence of ‘rebel’ possession and use?** Suppositions and cognitive errors just do not cut it.

I suggest our regime-didn’t-do-it commentators get serious and have another read of the UN report, and digest its implications.

Here is one of Lavrov’s talking points earlier today:

“Lavrov said the discovery of Cyrillic lettering on one of the rockets that delivered the gas was not significant. He suggested that other nations, including some in the West, have been counterfeiting old Soviet weaponry, and he called on them to stop doing so.”

While the charge is not in itself preposterous, the chain of reasoning is unclear and deeply deceptive. We are expected to think that not only did the ‘rebels’ have a particular sophisticated Soviet-era ordnance undiscovered in their hands until this day**, but also that it only appears to be Soviet — it might be a counterfeit!

The technical mastery of the ‘rebels’ is miraculous indeed.

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** Brown Moses today deals with some mysterious videos attributed to Liwa al-Islam. They purport to show actual ‘rebel’ firings of chemical weapons on August 21.

I can think of a commentator or two who will likely cite these videos as proof that ‘the-regime-didn’t-do-it.’ Mileage may vary.

Here’s one of the videos:

I highly recommend that readers here take in the whole post at Brown Moses.

First of all the video quality is awful, so it’s very difficult to make out a lot of details. It’s also rather odd it’s so dark when August 21st was a full moon, and there’s no lights in the city visible. Apart from that, there’s three things the videos seem designed to really push, that the UMLACAs are being used, it’s August 21st (repeated on each of the videos), and it’s Liwa al-Islam. They don’t just say they are Liwa al-Islam, but everything is draped in Islamic black standards with Liwa al-Islam written on it

Back to preposterous we go …

It shall be instructive to see which elements of the Assad propaganda corps take up these rather conveniently-staged and ‘intercepted’ video fragments. What else was on the purported cellphone? Who has the cellphone now? Note well that the purported delivery systems in the murky videos do not correspond to the weapons found by the UN.

And the war grinds on.

September 17th, 2013, 6:35 pm

 

observer said:

This is especially for Ghufran and for Mjabali
I hope that we can now identify the very source of all the evil of Syria including the evil brought down on the very sect of the regime by the mafia in charge

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September 17th, 2013, 8:34 pm

 

Observer said:

I noticed that my posting of Science article explaining the methods of CW analysis got seven thumbs down. It is really a tribute to the stupidity of the pro regime trolls that a purely scientific article gets any thumbs up or down. It is science.

But I guess the only Science is that of the iPad retard

September 17th, 2013, 8:37 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Observer,
You are not alone, I can post a comment saying that the sky is blue and it will get 10 thumbs down or 10 thumbs up depending on who is doing this childish up and down game, I am certain that a lot of what is being posted is not read but quickly judged by who is posting, it is a sign of how polarized and frustrated Syrians have become.

Michele Kilo was put on the spot by the attack on Maloula so he writes an article accusing the regime of setting a trap for rebels to score a PR victory as if the regime asked nusra to detonate a suicide bomber !!
Then he realizes that his claims are laughable so he ends his ” article” by saying that the attack was a mistake and that rebels should consult others (him) before they do something as stupid as attacking Maloula:
???? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ? ????? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? . ??? ??? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ???????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ???????. ??? ???? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?.
???? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????????? ??????? ? ??????? ???? ??????? ? ??? ????? ????? ????? !.
Michele Kilo is a victim of the NC and KSA, he is irrelevant now.

September 17th, 2013, 8:52 pm

 

Ghufran said:

Observer,
The article you posted is worth reading by all despite the fact that many will disagree with a number of conclusions in it.
Poor alawites were clearly used by the Assads but poor Sunnis are also tools today in the hands of GCC and Wahhabi masterminds, both are forced to believe that the ” others” are there to get them and the only way out is to fight.
The article does not touch on the devastating effect of Wahhabi ideology on Syrians today, this ideology has infected many educated Sunnis and transformed them into sectarian monsters who advocate a holy civil war, some Syrian doctors in the West have sent, and continue to send, aid to Islamist militias in the name of self defense. The writings of some of those converts are all over and have reached SC.
It is unfair to conclude that alawites hold the key to Syria’s future because Sunnis have a bigger responsibility and should not allow themselves to be caged in the Wahhabi ideology.
Alawites in the absence of plan-B ( an honorable exit) are likely to stick with the devil they know instead of giving their necks to what has been an untrustworthy opposition,
I still find the article to be a good read.

September 17th, 2013, 9:22 pm

 

zoo said:

Why is France struggling so strongly at the UN to threaten Syria of military actions under Chapter 7?
Show me the money…

France wins Saudi defence deal: Report
France wins a billion euro defence contract with Saudi Arabia

AFP , Thursday 29 Aug 2013
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/80299/World/Region/France-wins-Saudi-defence-deal-Report.aspx

France has won a billion euro defence contract with Saudi Arabia to overhaul four frigates and two refuelling ships, sources said on Thursday.

A source close to the matter confirmed a report on the La Tribune website saying negotiations that had dragged on for years were now ov

September 17th, 2013, 9:43 pm

 

zoo said:

Ghufran

The moment Michel Kilo joined the SNC, his aura of ‘resistant’ is gone.
He is now, like Jarba, Tumeh, Sabra and the others sheeps on Saudi Arabia’s payroll.

September 17th, 2013, 9:47 pm

 

zoo said:

IHS Jane: Only 20% of the Syrian rebels are moderate nationalist fighters

Just How Extremist Are the Rebels in Syria?

by Jamie Dettmer Sep 17, 2013 5:45 AM EDT
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/17/just-how-extremist-are-the-rebels-in-syria.html

A new report claims that the Syrian rebels are more jihadist and hardline than the Obama administration has asserted. Jamie Dettmer reports from Lebanon.


According to a study by IHS Jane’s for commercial clients, the rebels number around 100,000 fighters and are spread across more than 1,000 fragmented bands that are often at odds with each other. They are increasingly engaged in infighting over war spoils and the control of seized property, from oil wells to state bakeries, as they seek revenue

Charles Lister, an insurgency expert with IHS Jane’s and author of the analysis, estimates that around 10,000 are jihadists fighting for al Qaeda affiliates (the Islamic State of Iraq and the smaller Jabhat al-Nusra), while another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists who have less of a global jihad vision, but share a focus on establishing an Islamic state to replace Assad. Another 30,000 or so are more moderate Muslim Brotherhood Islamists.

He estimates that moderate nationalist fighters number only about 20,000, with the Kurdish separatists being able to field only 5,000 to 10,000.

On Friday McCain continued to maintain that FSA rebels are moderates. “Al-Nusra and al Qaeda, primarily, are the bad guys, and the good guys are the Free Syrian Army,” McCain said in a newspaper interview. He is continuing to push the White House to supply advanced weaponry to the rebels, the price for his backing of President Obama’s threat to strike at Assad for the chemical-weapons attack.

Lister believes the division between good and bad guys is too simplistic for a civil war that is changing shape frequently and has become a series of mini-conflicts within the overall battle between Assad and rebel forces. Insurgent dynamics have been shifting the whole time, and when those “in the middle ground will pick sides” between moderates and militants, “most people won’t be choosing jihadists.”

September 17th, 2013, 9:58 pm

 

Ghufran said:

AB Atwan on the Kurdish issue:

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September 17th, 2013, 10:01 pm

 

zoo said:

The USA should instead say : Thank you Mr Putin

Demonizing Putin Endangers America’s Security

Putin-bashing on the left and the right must stop in the interest of US national security.

By Stephen F. Cohen
Stephen F. Cohen is a professor emeritus at New York University and Princeton University.

http://www.thenation.com/article/176191/demonizing-putin-endangers-americas-security#

Instead of embracing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s proposal to save Washington from another disastrous war—his plan would put Syria’s chemical weapons under international control and destroy them—influential segments of the American political-media establishment are bent on discrediting him and thus in effect the alternative to war he represents.
Still worse, purportedly liberal and progressive voices are playing a full-throated role in this mindless denigration of Putin, notably on CNN and MSNBC.
They seem indifferent to what is at stake, especially now when the Obama administration should be an eager full partner in the Putin option.
Even a “limited” US military strike against the Syrian regime would almost certainly kill still more innocent people without eliminating Assad’s chemical weapons capacity; again incite Muslim and Arab passions against America; make negotiations on Syria’s murderous civil war even more difficult; undercut Iran’s recently elected moderate president; establish yet another US precedent of unsanctioned unilateral war; provoke other weak states to redouble their efforts to acquire nuclear weapons in order to prevent such an American attack; further diminish the UN as a peacemaking alternative; and worsen the perilous drift toward renewed cold war between Washington and Moscow.

Nonetheless, Putin-bashing on the right and the left, featuring mostly irrelevant, baseless or hyperbolic allegations about his political record, continues unabated with scarcely any countervailing voices in the mainstream media.
It ranges from characterizing Putin as “a KGB thug” whose policies at home are akin to those of Saddam, Stalin and Hitler to claiming that his entire foreign policy, past and present, consists of the “restoration of the Russian empire” and “poking America in the eye.”
(Do these commentators know that Putin did more to assist the US ground war in Afghanistan after 9/11 than did any other head of state and continues to facilitate the supplying of American and NATO forces still fighting there? That he backed harsher sanctions against Iran’s nuclear ambitions and refused to sell Teheran a highly effective air-defense system? Or that his agencies shared with Washington counter-terrorism information that might have prevented the Boston bombings in April.)

September 17th, 2013, 10:07 pm

 

zoo said:

Ban says Syria’s chemical weapons can be dismantled without full ceasefire

[ 18 September 2013 06:55 ]

Baku-APA. Syria’s chemical weapons arsenal can be dismantled as quickly as possible, even without a full ceasefire, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said Tuesday, APA reports quoting Xinhua.

“This process of verifying and destroying the chemical weapons can be done expeditiously if there is a political will,” he said at a press conference, which is dominated by questions regarding the Monday report on the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

When asked about whether the work can be pulled off without a full ceasefire, the UN chief voiced confidence but also acknowledged “it is a very difficult process.”

“I believe that could be done,” he said, citing the work done by UN inspectors who, in the absence of a full ceasefire, had made several field trips and managed to take evidences of the Aug. 21 chemical attacks in Syria. “There was an agreement that during the time of their actual investigation, for example, five or six hours a day. There was (a) ceasefire.”

September 17th, 2013, 10:12 pm

 

don said:

THIS Is Who We Are Helping In Syria!

September 17th, 2013, 10:19 pm

 

don said:

Terrorist activity has caused the Democrats to take measures in order to protect their candidate for the 2016 presidency. For security reasons, they have suggested that Hillary has a Saudi name. So from now on, please refer to her by her new name:

Seldom Bin Layed

September 17th, 2013, 10:25 pm

 

zoo said:

Double standards over weapons

Wednesday 18 September 2013
http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/letters/double-standards-over-weapons.22180428

Now that Syria is offloading its stock of chemical weapons, it seems a propitious moment for Israel, Britain, and the USA to offload theirs.

According to ABC News (Josh Lederman and Seth Borenstein, In US Arsenal, Lessons for Syria Chemical Weapons, September 13, 2013) the US currently has 3,000 tonnes of stockpiled chemical weapons.

The US maintains that it is in the process of destroying its chemical weapons in accordance with the Chemical Weapons Convention.

However, it doesn’t expect to complete this destruction until 2023.

One assumes that Syria will need time as well to complete its task of destroying its chemical weapons.

Hopefully any delay in Syria’s destruction of its chemical weapons won’t be used as a context for the United States to start another war.

The double standards of this would be too much even for the US and would surely be sufficiently transparent to mean the mainstream media could not ignore it.

Louis Shawcross,

September 17th, 2013, 10:27 pm

 

Sami said:

Ghufran,

“Alawites in the absence of plan-B ( an honorable exit) are likely to stick with the devil they know instead of giving their necks to what has been an untrustworthy opposition”

Is the opposition supposed to come up with plan-B or is it not the case for the Alawites themselves to do so?

While the opposition has had its many ugly facets that have not only scared the minorities but in cases shunned them and used some of the most despicable language to portray them not to mention the targeted killings of Alawites for the mere fact they are so is not only reprehensible but counter intuitive to what this revolution started as, may I ask what have the Alawites themselves done to reach out to the moderates in the opposition?

When was the last time the Alawite community stuck its neck out for their own (and Syria’s) brightest that are lamenting in jail being tortured not by Islamic Jihadists but by fellow Alawites just for opposing Assad?

When thugs like Assad and Kayali are not only celebrated as heroes but praised as saviours what does that say about the community in general, at some point the community needs to realize sticking their neck out for “the devil they know” is only fuelling more hate and despair.

Anyways here is a powerful short movie about an Alawite from Tartous, and sadly his story is too familiar to me as I have seen it first hand in my cousins and their mom.

September 17th, 2013, 11:07 pm

 

Ghufran said:

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As long as the nc remains hostage to vague or unattainable goals, they will only receive vague and undoable promises.
The nc must be clear about who they will make peace with, if they will only negotiate with themselves they will end up with another deformed and unviable body.

September 17th, 2013, 11:11 pm

 

Sami said:

“Double standards over weapons”

When was the US ever accused of using chemical weapons on their own people?

I am more than positive the answer is never, as such there is absolutely no grounds to call this a double standard…

This is an extreme case of literal abjection permeated by those so morally bankrupt that they do not even realize they are fixing whatever “evidence” they have to fit their hypocritical narrative which in reality is nothing more than crack pot conspiracy theories in defence of a mass murderer.

September 17th, 2013, 11:17 pm

 

Sami said:

Link to the important article posted by Observer above:
http://orient-news.net/?page=news_show&id=5322

September 17th, 2013, 11:23 pm

 

Ziad said:

UN report says Israel could be prosecuted for war crimes over settlements

UN human rights investigators called on Israel on Thursday to halt settlement expansion and withdraw all half a million Jewish settlers from the occupied West Bank, saying that its practices could be subject to prosecution as possible war crimes.

A three-member UN panel said private companies should stop working in the settlements if their work adversely affected the human rights of Palestinians, and urged member states to ensure companies respected human rights.

“Israel must cease settlement activities and provide adequate, prompt and effective remedy to the victims of violations of human rights,” Christine Chanet, a French judge who led the inquiry, told a news conference.

The settlements contravened the Fourth Geneva Convention forbidding the transfer of civilian populations into occupied territory and could amount to war crimes that fall under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC), the United Nations report said.

“To transfer its own population into an occupied territory is prohibited because it is an obstacle to the exercise of the right to self-determination,” Chanet said.

In December, the Palestinians accused Israel in a letter to the United Nations of planning to commit what it said were further war crimes by expanding Jewish settlements after the Palestinians won de facto UN recognition of statehood, and said Israel must be held accountable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9839853/UN-report-says-Israel-could-be-prosecuted-for-war-crimes-over-settlements.html

September 17th, 2013, 11:27 pm

 

Sami said:

The story of Salamiyeh

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September 17th, 2013, 11:29 pm

 

don said:

Jon Stewart on Planned US Attack on Syria – The Daily Show September 3, 2013

September 17th, 2013, 11:44 pm

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

You may not identify the murderer, but you can get the information that does. This is exactly what happened with the UN Team. And the word is out. is was wet-pants and its brother’s hyenas.

September 18th, 2013, 1:25 am

 

SYRIAN HAMSTER said:

Translated from FB

There is a major shortage of Doctors in Syria nowadays. Most doctors had sufficient means to leave the country. While this does not pose a problem for the loyalists, since there is no shortage of veterinarians, the people are having really hard time getting basic health care.

September 18th, 2013, 2:54 am

 

omen said:

A rare look into Damascus: Damas par Sergey Ponomarev – Paris Match

September 18th, 2013, 4:58 am

 

Observer said:

Thouria handed evidence of chemical weapons use by the rebels to the Russian deputy foreign minister.

Lauhgvrov says that the report is biased ( that is the inspector’s report ) so here we go as the report called the Russians bluffing.

They are preparing to veto the UNSC resolution and look the reasonable part.

There was really no need for Obama to draw a red line in the blood of Syrians. It was already a red line when the regime used force from the very beginning.

The news from Alalm and Mayadeen and Manar and SANA are not good today.

No victories what so ever on the ground.

September 18th, 2013, 7:46 am

 

zoo said:

Horrific footage shows Syrian helicopter pilot who was ‘shot down by Turkish forces and then beheaded by rebels’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2423831/Disturbing-footage-shows-Syrian-helicopter-pilot-shot-Turkish-forces-beheaded-rebels.html

Footage apparently shows helicopter pilot shot down by Turkish forces
Body can be seen with head removed and surrounded by a group of men
Videos also show ‘rebels shooting at pilot’ as he parachutes from craft
Turkey confirmed yesterday it did shoot down Syrian helicopter

September 18th, 2013, 8:09 am

 

zoo said:

Is another battle for Damascus looming?

Battles rage in Syria ahead of talks at the United Nations
Reuters – 16 minutes ago

http://in.news.yahoo.com/battles-rage-syria-ahead-talks-united-nations-121639500.html

BEIRUT (Reuters) – Syrian warplanes struck rebel-held areas and clashes between militants and government forces continued unabated on Wednesday, residents and opposition groups said, while key powers met to forge a deal that would eliminate Syrian chemical weapons.

Activists said President Bashar al-Assad’s air force hit the neighbourhood of Berze, a northeastern part of central Damascus, where rebels are trying to push further into the city.

Air strikes and skirmishes are countrywide but the key fight is in the capital, where Assad controls central districts but has lost suburbs.

September 18th, 2013, 8:35 am

 

zoo said:

Syria drug shortages threaten health catastrophe

The shortage caused by the raging civil war has created ‘a very critical situation in Syria, WHO said

AFP , Wednesday 18 Sep 2013
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/81886/World/Region/Syria-drug-shortages-threaten-health-catastrophe.aspx

Not only is Syrian father Motaz struggling to put food on the table, he must also pay astronomical prices to import insulin for his diabetic son because of drug shortages in the war-torn country.

Drug production in Syria has plunged ever since an uprising broke out against President Bashar al-Assad 30 months ago and degenerated into civil war.

“I must count every penny because my son’s treatment takes up a big portion of my salary,” the 46-year-old Motaz told AFP.

His three children no longer enjoy any day trips because “the priority now is to treat the 12-year-old boy,” he said.

The shortage caused by the raging war has created “a very critical situation” in Syria, said the World Health Organisation’s Elisabeth Hoff.

September 18th, 2013, 8:46 am

 

mjabali said:

Sami and Observer:

The Iyyad Essa article is not good at all. It is very ambitious but to say it is accurate is wrong. It is filled with historical mistakes and wrong takes on history. His article has an ideological agenda behind it: he is trying to “prove” the Alawis were this or that, something that takes the neutrality needed when writing something like this. You could feel the writer breathing heavily in the background.

I could pick his mistakes one by one in every paragraph.

Here are some points:

– The Eyyad Essa article claims that the Alawis are a peaceful group: that is wrong historical because the Ottomans raided them every year and that is why they were fighters. The ones left in the mountains were fighting every year. Make no mistake. Today is another day at the office. Those Alawites from Allepo and Damascus were killed on sight. The Fatwas were always there.

– I would argue that the Alawis were persecuted because of their religion. It was a dangerous new interpretation because it has an individual element that would make the “believer” stay away from the confines of clergy and state. Systems in the middle east always kept a relation between the religious establishment.

– Persecution against the Alawis happened and it reached their cultural heritage also. Remember the Alawis were in Alleppo, Damascus and their surroundings. They were cleansed by the sword and the Fatwa. The Eyyad Essa article seem to neglect this.

– The Alawis were in no cities during the ottoman days. they were persecuted and killed whenever they were found. Yes they were paraded while being dead of course.

– Hafez relied on his tribal alliances and got Alawites from “big” families to work with him. He did not rely on nobodies like the article claims.

– I doubt that Hafez al-Assad read the biography of Hassan al-Sabbah, because they have total different relevance to accidence to power and what they did.

– Hafez has zero religious agenda, and to link him to Hassan al-Banna is laughable, I would make a comparison between him and Saddam, they learned from each other: don’t you think?

September 18th, 2013, 8:53 am

 

zoo said:

Five Lies Invented to Spin UN Report on Syrian Chemical Weapons Attack

http://www.globalresearch.ca/five-lies-invented-to-spin-un-report-on-syrian-chemical-weapons-attack/5350111

As predicted days before the UN’s Syrian chemical weapons report was made public, the West has begun spinning the findings to bolster their faltering narrative regarding alleged chemical weapon attacks on August 21, 2013 in eastern Damascus, Syria. The goal of course, is to continue demonizing the Syrian government while simultaneously sabotaging a recent Syrian-Russian deal to have Syria’s chemical weapon stockpiles verified and disarmed by independent observers.

A barrage of suspiciously worded headlines attempt to link in the mind of unobservant readers the UN’s “confirmation” of chemical weapons use in Syria and Western claims that it was the Syrian government who used them. Additionally, the US, British, and French governments have quickly assembled a list of fabrications designed to spin the UN report to bolster their still-unsubstantiated accusations against the Syrian government.

The BBC’s article, “US and UK insist UN chemicals report ‘blames Syria’,” again states unequivocally, [emphasis added]:

The UN report did not attribute blame for the attack, as that was not part of its remit.

However, that did not stop UK Foreign Secretary William Hague who claimed:

From the wealth of technical detail in the report – including on the scale of the attack, the consistency of sample test results from separate laboratories, witness statements, and information on the munitions used and their trajectories – it is abundantly clear that the Syrian regime is the only party that could have been responsible.

And US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power who stated:

The technical details of the UN report make clear that only the regime could have carried out this large-scale chemical weapons attack.

French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius is also quoted as saying:

When you look at the findings carefully, the quantities of toxic gas used, the complexity of the mixes, the nature, and the trajectory of the carriers, it leaves absolutely no doubt as to the origin of the attack.

The Washington Post went one step further, and perhaps foolishly, laid out a detailed explanation of each fabrication the West is using to spin the latest UN report. In an article titled, “The U.N. chemical weapons report is pretty damning for Assad,” 5 points are made and explained as to why the UN report “points” to the Syrian government.

September 18th, 2013, 8:53 am

 

Observer said:

My comment is in cyberspace

September 18th, 2013, 9:16 am

 

zoo said:

UAE starting to boost central Iraq economy

UAE developers plan $4.5B Baghdad housing project despite ongoing violence in Iraq
By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, September 18, 9:04 AM

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Two developers based in the United Arab Emirates say they have signed a deal for a $4.5 billion residential and commercial project in Baghdad that would be one of the county’s biggest non-oil investments.

Plans calls for 30,000 housing units, five shopping centers and schools and stores to be built over a seven-year period in the Iraqi capital.

The developers, Dubai-based Al Handal International Group and Abu Dhabi-based Bloom Properties, said Wednesday the project is expected to create 10,000 jobs for Iraq’s struggling economy.

September 18th, 2013, 9:18 am

 

Tara said:

If the US, France, and UK “spinned” the UN repoert and if it doesn’t unrquivocally implicate the regime, Why then Lavrov criticized it this motning as biased?

Isn’t that an implicit agreement that the UN report did implicate the regime?

September 18th, 2013, 9:29 am

 

Observer said:

GHufran the few fanatics of the FSA are the born and bred and sustained in the dungeons and torture chambers of the regime. The Russia Iran agenda in Syria is much more evil than any other agenda. It aims to suppress freedom at all costs and in this it is as evil as that of KSA.

Mjabali, the point I wanted your ideas about is whether the sect is capable of overcoming its fear of persecution to divorce itself from the mafia? Assad the father is like Stalin much more so than Saddam. He is not only as brutal but also sadistic and has no religious affiliation except to his own glory and power. He used everybody for this and my question to you is whether the sect can see that they are marching straight into the abyss and whether they can divorce themselves from him in time.

After all he used CW on a large scale and all that we are seeing now are stalling tactics by another brutal dicator called Putin for the sake of dictatorship.

Russia and Iran are on the wrong side of history, will the sect be also on the wrong side?

September 18th, 2013, 9:30 am

 

zoo said:

Observer

Iran and Russia are on the right side of history. They stick to international laws.
The USA and the old colonial powers still supporting dictatorships and oppression in the Arab countries believe they are above the international laws. They are obviously loosing their grip and decaying in internal bickering and unable to make sound and constructive decisions. Their only language is arrogance and wars: The language of political impotence.

September 18th, 2013, 9:44 am

 

zoo said:

CIA, British and French military have done a good job training the rebels in Jordan and Turkey. Al Ghuta CW attacks in the perfect proof

Security Source: Syria Rebels Equipped with Land-to-Land Rockets, Sarin
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920627001331

The official also underlined that “the terrorists manufacture land-to-land rockets locally, and it is likely that they have put sarin gas in them”, in reference to the Ghouta alleged attack in August 21.

“The terrorists know perfectly well how to mount the material on missile warheads,” the Syrian official said, adding that they had “received training at the hands of the US, British and French intelligence experts who are working with them on the ground”.

September 18th, 2013, 9:49 am

 

zoo said:

A light of hope or another empty balloon? m

Syria: Opposition premier to form interim government
Syrian Opposition’s interim PM prepares to select ministers as humanitarian situation worsens

http://www.aawsat.net/2013/09/article55317246

Beirut, Asharq Al-Awsat—The prime minister of the Syrian opposition’s interim government, Ahmed Tu’mah, began consultations on Tuesday aimed at forming a government in rebel-held parts of Syria.

Tu’mah, who was recently elected interim prime minister by members of the opposition Syrian National Coalition, began consultations long before he was appointed, according to member of the SNC, Adib Shishkali, who told Asharq Al-Awsat that “the man enjoys extensive relations with opposition personalities, parties and blocs, inside and outside the coalition, in addition to his relationship with activists inside Syria and with the local coordination committees, because he resides in Dayr Ezzour.”

Meaanwhile, head of the Syrian National Change Party, Ammar Al-Qurbi, told Asharq Al-Awsat that “Tu’mah will choose 12 ministers and he will take the foreign minister’s post because the political tasks of the coalition will be responsibility of this ministry.” He added that “the Ministry of Information has been excluded because we in the opposition see that this ministry’s task during the rule of the Ba’th Party was limiting freedom, and therefore, it will be replaced by a government spokesman.”

Qurbi, who is a close associate of Tu’mah, denied that the ministers will all be technocrats. He said “the service work which awaits the government means all ministers could not be technocrats, and it will include politicians and be representative of all Syrians, whether Islamists, left-wing or liberals, in addition to giving consideration to geographical distribution, which means [all] ministers cannot belong to one city.”

September 18th, 2013, 9:56 am

 

zoo said:

Analysis – Turkey’s ‘worthy solitude’ sidelines Erdogan in Middle East

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/18997462/analysis-turkeys-worthy-solitude-sidelines-erdogan-in-middle-east/

“They hoped the Brotherhood would come to a prominent position in Libya, they hoped the Brotherhood would become Turkey’s ally in Egypt, they wanted to make a Brotherhood member the leader of the Syrian opposition,” he said. “All of these failed.”
..
“To put it bluntly, Mr Erdogan pursues a Sunni-dominated foreign policy … They were banking on the prevalence of the Muslim Brotherhood whether in Iraq, Egypt or Syria. It is a bankrupt policy,” he said.

Erdogan’s government strongly denies any sectarian agenda in Syria or the wider region. His aides point to his cultivation of good relations with Assad for years before the conflict.

Syria’s Sunni Muslims and its Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shi’ism to which Assad belongs, are not fixed blocs and Turkey does not see the crisis in sectarian terms, they argue.

“The claim that Turkey is alone in the Middle East is not correct, but if this is a criticism then you have to say: this is a worthy solitude,” Ibrahim Kalin, one of Erdogan’s top foreign policy advisers, said on his Twitter account last month.

September 18th, 2013, 10:09 am

 

zoo said:

The rockets in the UN report are part of 1967 ammunitions

The Russian daily Vedomosti not suspiciously close to the Russian government, has asked his two military experts to identify fragments of ground-to-ground with inscriptions in Cyrillic, which appear on photographs attached to the report of the UN side.

According to the Russian experts, some fragments, without registration, appear homemade.

The inscription read on other fragments indicates that these munitions multiple rocket launcher produced Soviet-made “in 1967 by Factory No. 179 Novosibirsk.”

These munitions have long been obsolete, their period of use is exceeded and the Syrian army has a large amount of modern ammunition “whose use would seem more logical,” say the experts quoted. They believe that these elements would push more to blame the rebels.

http://www.lorientlejour.com/article/833672/assad-la-position-russe-peut-contribuer-a-un-nouvel-equilibre-mondial-.html

September 18th, 2013, 10:16 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

The Alawites need a partner to get out of the claws of al-Assad and his group. The Sunnis of Syria proved so far not to be interested in this partnership. There are a big group of Alawites on the fence still because they see the ills of both parties. al-Assad plays on this well and feeds the fear the Alawites has from the other side.

The Sunnis of Syria made a huge mistake of letting the crazy international fanatics into Syria.

The Syrians up till today, surprisingly, has a huge section that wants Syria and want to live together.

As I said: The Alawites has a huge part amongst them on the fence still and waiting to see a secure choice to go with. So far all of they see is threats and beheadings from one side and exploitation from the other. Their kids are dying along the way.

As for Russia and Iran: my answer to this: do you want to convince me that Saudia Arabia and Qatar are on the right side of history?

September 18th, 2013, 10:39 am

 

Observer said:

No Mjabali I do not think KSA is on the right side of history.

I do think that Qatar is better than Russia and Iran.

As for international law, the stupidity is beyond measure. It is against international law and the 1925 Geneva convention to use CW on citizens. It is a war crime to use cluster munitions and phosphorous bombs on civilians. Internatinaional law my foot. This si a cabal of dicators. As if elections in Russia or Iran are open. Why not let facebook in Iran?

Mjabli sitting on the fence is not going to cut it. I do think that they will go down with the regime. It is too late

September 18th, 2013, 11:16 am

 

mjabali said:

Observer:

There are more Alawites than you think against al-Assad. The Opposition never reached to them in the right way, instead they scared them more than the regime. The Opposition (If we assume there is a body that could be called that) did not have the right plan to incorporate the Alawis, and other minorities.

CW : You need to see who did it first, then you apply the international law. Who did it? It is a dirty war and anyone could have done this. Sarin is available for all parties.

September 18th, 2013, 11:42 am

 

ghufran said:

ISIS terrorism and head chopping campaign is now reaching the FSA:
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suddenly, there is a lot of talks about eliminating Assad physically as part of a larger bargain between Russia and the US. Western diplomats are worried that the opposition has not been able to come up with a leader who can rally the troops and does not alarm minorities, they even believe that a UN monitored elections may keep Assad in power. I think Assad should not run in 2014 but I am against assassination of head of states even if they were accused of war crimes, after all this is why we have the UN and war crimes court.

September 18th, 2013, 12:10 pm

 

Observer said:

Mjabali you are way too smart to tell me “find it who did it first”.

The report and the type of weapon and the sophistication and the purety of the gas in the unbiased technical report all point to the regime side using it.

Can we apply syrian law and put the killers in jail for a fair and just retribution?

Children are starving to death in various parts of this tortured land.

The opposition never coming to them is a cop out. Why not form their own resistance like the Kurds?

I am sorry to say that the sect is too deeply involved in with the regime to sit on any fence or on any opposition or to cop out and stay with it.

Sad indeed.

September 18th, 2013, 1:17 pm

 

Ghufran said:

(CNN) – U.N. investigators are planning to return to Syria to follow up on more allegations of chemical weapons use.
Ake Sellstrom, the head of the inspection team that visited after an August 21 attack, told CNN that the next visit could take place as early as next week.
The news might please Russia, which slammed a recent U.N. chemical weapons report as one-sided and called for inspectors to return to Syria.

September 18th, 2013, 1:38 pm

 

Tara said:

‘Maybe if you film the cats here and put them on YouTube people will help’ … American filmmaker Matthew VanDyke is taken around the ruined streets of Aleppo by Mowya, a Free Syrian Army fighter and Nour, a photographer. They describe how the war has changed the lives, and how they remain resolved to fight for a democratic Syria despite the threat of death. Warning: this film contains violent scenes that some viewers may find distressing

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2013/sep/18/syria-revolution-story-video

September 18th, 2013, 3:35 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

Here’s an analysis of continuing Russian attempts to protect their client regime via disinformation. In a Russia Today segment, the spin was that Brown Moses (hilariously misidentified as “Black Moses”) confirmed that Syrian ‘rebels’ were responsible for the atrocities on August 21.

Russian Media: Conspiracy Theories and Reading Comprehension Issues

According to RT (formerly Russia Today), the blogger Brown Moses had produced evidence that the Syrian rebels, not the regime, had launched the August 21st attack. As RT explains, Brown Moses, who has become famous for analyzing Youtube videos from Syria, had discovered the literal smoking gun, a video showing a Syrian rebel group, Liwa al-Islam, launching chemical rockets from a D-30 howitzer.

Here’s a partial transcript from the videos:

Thabang Motsei (RT’s host) – “……Meanwhile a prominent Syrian blogger known as Black Moses has posted footage allegedly showing chemical weapons being used by rebels. Let’s get the details from our correspondent Paul Scott here in the studio. ”

Paul Scott (RT correspondent) – “The blogger is a staunch critic of Damascus and a staunch critic of President Bashar al Assad’s regime and in the past he has monitored all sorts of news sources and claims and counter claims emerging from the Syrian Civil War to use it as a stick to beat the Assad Government with and implicate Assad in all sorts of atrocities. But it is interesting now that he has posted a video on this blog that suggests that it actually could be the Syrian Opposition that had been using these chemical weapons. It represent a slight shift in focus from what the narrative that the blog has been taking in recent weeks.”

If Brown Moses thinks the rebels have used chemical weapons, then RT was right all along, right? RT did describe this as “game changing stuff” after all.

Too bad RT doesn’t seem to have actually read what Brown Moses (whose real name is Eliot Higgins) wrote about the videos.

Higgins analyzed the videos because they had been sent to him by skeptics of his work. However, upon careful inspection of the videos, he discovered that there were significant reasons to think that they may have been faked. His entire report can be found here, but these are just a few of the bullet points:

— The video was shot on a moonless night and no city lights are visible. This differs greatly from other videos posted on August 21st.

— The weapon used, the D-30 howitzer, does not match the weapons that have been linked to the attack.

— The “rebels” in the video continuously advertise their identities in this video, both by stating the name of their brigade, Liwa al Islam, and by printing it on flags that are conspicuously displayed in multiple locations in the video. Not only does this look like the criminals are trying hard to broadcast their identities, it also doesn’t match other videos uploaded by Liwa al Islam.

In other words, Eliot’s conclusion is that this appears like someone is trying hard to fake these videos. None of this, of course, was mentioned by RT.

[…]

I decided to ask Eliot Higgins what he thought of this RT video:

Let’s Ask Brown Moses (Eliot Higgins)

JM – Eliot, what about these videos you’ve posted that do claim to show Syrian rebels firing Sarin gas on August 21st? Your article, published on your blogspot, seemed to indicate that you were highly skeptical of the videos which is why you were analyzing them. How do you feel about how RT represented your work?

BM – Russia Today has clearly decided to use the credibility of my own blog to prop up highly dubious videos. Anyone who is familiar with the way in which social media is used in the conflict by groups like Liwa al-Islam would immediately be aware the videos are questionable, something I highlight in my post on the videos, and which Russia Today decides to ignore entirely.

JM – What do you think is the probability that the Syrian rebels conducted the August 21st chemical weapons attack?

BM – Considering the open source evidence and what’s contained in the UN report, in particular the evidence of the rockets being fired from the direction of government controlled territory, I think any scenario where the opposition were involved would require a serious disconnect from the reality of the situation.

[…]

The RT segment goes on to speculate, without citing sources, that the Syrian rebels must have gotten the sarin from Iraq. Then they speak to a man who used to work at the Pentagon, F. Michael Maloof, who claims that sources inside the American government have told him that the U.S. military knew that the sarin came from Iraq, via Turkey, where it is still being produced.

But who is Maloof? According to a Mother Jones investigation, he’s a man with a dubious past who helped spread misinformation about Iraq in 2003, misinformation that ultimately helped make the case to go to war:

Maloof, a former aide to (Richard Perle) in the 1980s Pentagon, was twice stripped of his high-level security clearances‚ — once in late 2001 and, again,[in the spring of 2003], for various infractions. Maloof was also reportedly involved in a bizarre scheme to broker contacts between Iraqi officials and the Pentagon, channeled through Perle, in what one report called a “rogue [intelligence] operation” outside official CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency channels.

It seems that Maloof is still pushing similar lies about Iraq WMD.

So at the end of the day, RT has misrepresented their main source, Brown Moses, and brought on a disavowed conspiracy theorist in order to push information that also runs counter to the UN report.

So, what kind of addled thinking continues to put forth such preposterous, unwarranted ignorance like this?

— “I believe that if there has been a chemical attack, it was Al Nusra and its allies who did it using toxic gaz provided by Israel

— “Action is needed urgently to stop the Islamists carrying more chemical weapons attacks It seems clear to me that this was a vicious Al Nusra and Cie attack

— “It is a dirty war and anyone could have done this. Sarin is available for all parties.

September 18th, 2013, 3:53 pm

 

Tara said:

#1553

There is a doctor and there is a doctor. There is a film maker and there is a film maker. There is a woman and there is a woman. There is a human and there is hardly-a-human. There is a killer and there is a martyr.

#1553 can not be missed.

September 18th, 2013, 4:04 pm

 

Heads-up said:

Just so you know, our sources are very well informed and fully reliable because they continue to work very hard, behind the scenes and around the clock so that you may stay informed with news before it becomes news.

Today’s heads up is about the current world-wide debate of who is responsible and who is not responsible for the latest crimes against humanity by the deliberate release of high quality poison gas from the stockpile of the Serpent-head.

While, we at heads up due to our reliance on well informed and reliable sources, knew for certain long ago who was responsible, we still know that the world at large is still indulging in ‘constructive’ debates on who came in first: the chicken or the egg?

The Serpent-head of Criminal Pervert, Ass-head came in first, have no doubt about it.

The world, with a mountain of evidence in front of it, however continues to play outdated chicken and egg game.

For this reason, we, at heads up, present this revolutionary and very short visual aid about who is who in Syria for idiots, and what is what in crime perversion for jackasses,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV3qARow1cg

It is common knowledge the world cannot tolerate death by chemical poisoning. Hence, the above visual aid was specifically designed as a sanitized presentation taking into consideration common sensibilities.

September 18th, 2013, 4:26 pm

 

Ziad said:

Assad’s Office Promotes Fox News Interview With Kucinich

Syrians who take their cues from President Bashar al-Assad’s office were advised to stay up late Wednesday, so they can tune into the Fox News Channel at 1 a.m. local time (6 p.m. Eastern) to watch “a television dialogue” between their leader and Dennis Kucinich, the former Democratic representative from Ohio who is now a Fox News contributor.

Although Fox News has not yet announced the interview, and did not respond to a request for comment, the Syrian presidency’s Twitter promo featured a photograph of Mr. Kucinich and Greg Palkot, a Fox correspondent who has been reporting from Damascus this week. They were apparently seated in exactly the same spot occupied by Charlie Rose during the taping of his recent interview with Mr. Assad for CBS.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/assads-office-promotes-fox-news-interview-with-kucinich/?_r=0

September 18th, 2013, 5:17 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

More on the same subject — Russian disinformation, slop and speculation on ‘rebel’ guilt. It seems that regime supporters will say anything, do anything, cite anything — regardless of its truth, coherence and source — to avoid the overwhelming indications that the August 21 atrocities were conducted by regime forces.

The only thing we had’t heard yet is Lavrov referring to Mere Agnes-Mariam de la Baath and her garbled, illiterate speculations.

Er …

Russia says no proof Assad was behind chemical attack

… “Lavrov said the U.N. report should be examined not in isolation but along with evidence from sources such as the Internet and other media, including accounts from “nuns at a nearby convent” and a journalist who had spoken to rebels.

Yes, the heretofore invisible evidence of ‘rebel’ guilt is on the internet somewhere … more details of the shonky Russian talking points follow (the second note, of “a journalist” who spoke to rebels, seems to refer to the sourceless Mintpress article attributed to Dale Gavlak, previously discussed):

Russia’s Foreign Minister Cites Questions Raised by Nun in Syria on Chemical Attacks

But on Tuesday [Lavrov] drew attention to an unusual source: a skeptical analysis of the online video evidence produced by a Lebanese nun who did not witness any part of the attack.

[…]

As the Human Rights Watch emergencies director Peter Bouckaert suggests, it seems likely that Mr. Lavrov intended to highlight the arguments of Mother Agnes Mariam de la Croix, a Carmelite nun born in Lebanon who is frequently quoted in the Russian media, and by American critics of Islam, defending the Assad government.

Despite Mr. Lavrov’s endorsement, however, Mother Agnes has not presented any concrete evidence on the attack and was not nearby when it was carried out. (Her monastery is north of Damascus, not near the site of the attack.) Instead, she has written a rambling, 50-page analysis of the video posted on opposition YouTube channels that contains nothing but speculation that some or all of it was staged.

[…]

“The key evidence is that Reuters made these files public at 6:05 in the morning,” she continued. “The chemical attack is said to have been launched between 3 and 5 o’clock in the morning in Ghouta. How is it even possible to collect a dozen different pieces of footage, get more than 200 kids and 300 young people together in one place, give them first aid and interview them on camera, and all that in less than three hours? Is that realistic at all?”

However, a close look at what appears to be the early Reuters report Mother Agnes cited as evidence suggests that her suspicion was ill-founded. The report’s time stamp indicates that it was posted online on Aug. 21 at “6:05 a.m. EDT,” or Eastern Daylight Time, the time zone used in New York, which is seven hours behind Syria. That means that the report, based on video of the attack’s victims, appeared just after 1 p.m. in Syria that day — ten, not three, hours after the first video of the victims was posted online.

The nun also described her suspicions a week earlier in a Skype interview with the Canadian Web site GlobalResearch — whose founder has called the 9/11 attacks “a pretext” for invading Afghanistan, and asserted that there is “not a scrap of evidence” that Al Qaeda was responsible. She told the site that at the time of the attack she was in Damascus, not far from the hotel where the U.N. investigators were staying, and did not believe there had been a chemical attack. “How is it possible, you know, for a chemical weapon to be blown up” on the outskirts of the city, she asked, if no one in the city noticed any unusual smell after the event.

Mother Agnes presented the theory, unsupported by evidence, that the dead children seen in Ghouta that day might have been brought there from another part of Syria and killed by jihadists intent on framing the government.

As my colleagues also explained, the U.N. findings did contain evidence suggesting that the rockets carrying dozens of liters of chemical weapons had come from the direction of a Syrian military base:

One annex to the report also identified azimuths, or angular measurements, from where rockets had struck, back to their points of origin. When plotted and marked independently on maps by analysts from Human Rights Watch and by The New York Times, the United Nations data from two widely scattered impact sites pointed directly to a Syrian military complex.

Yup, weeks have gone by with both Russia and Syrian poodle media repeating that we need to look at ‘evidence’ of rebel guilt.

But as yet, nothing coherent, comprehensive and credible has been put forward for examination.

September 18th, 2013, 8:14 pm

 

William Scott Scherk said:

As noted above, Fox News, with contributor Cucinich got some facetime with President Assad. SANA has a transcript of their lengthy encounter. It’s worth a close read, although depressing to realize how rote and briefed is the president. My take-home is that Assad is intent on war to the bitter end, and will cling to the throne by all means. The kingdom, the cult-like Baath State cannot function without such as him at the apex.

Look at what he puts on offer for Syria.

All the terrorists will be hunted to death, vast civilian landscapes will be rubbled, and then somehow a bright new morning will dawn. Here’s some of what I found sad or revealing or both in the interview:

Fox News: One of the notions about this very serious conflict is that it’s a civil war. Would you agree with that characterization that you’re involved in a civil war?

President Assad: No, civil war should start from within the society. Civil war needs clear lines, geographical lines, social lines and sectarian lines, but we don’t have these lines in Syria. Civil war doesn’t mean to have 80 or 83 nationalities coming to fight within your countries supported by foreign countries. What we have is not a civil war; what we have is a war, but it’s a new kind of war.

[…]

Fox News: The international community reports that Syrian rebel forces opposed to you are equally if not more worried now about Jihadist fighters than they were previously by your government. Now, in this new development, is there an opening for you to achieve a rapprochement with your Syrian opponents?

President Assad: Yeah, here we have to differentiate between what you call opposition and the terrorists. Opposition is a political term. When you oppose somebody, like in your country and any other country in the world, you have your own program, your own vision, you have your own grassroots, and you go and propose whatever you want regarding the political system or anything else, and you can change that system if you oppose the other party. Opposition doesn’t mean to carry weapons, kill innocent people, destroy school and infrastructure, and behead. What’s the relation between opposition and beheading?

Fox News: Well, let me then, as a follow-up, ask you about diplomacy. What diplomatic moves are you prepared to make as confidence-building measures towards peace in your country?

President Assad: Any diplomatic move without having stability and getting rid of the terrorists is going to be just an illusion. Any diplomatic move should start with stopping the flow of the terrorists, the logistical support of those terrorists, the armament support and the money support. Then, you have a full plan, the Syrians could sit on the table, discuss the future of Syria, the political system, the constitution and everything.

Fox News: Would that future include negotiations with the Syrian opposition?

President Assad: Exactly, that doesn’t mean negotiating with the terrorists.

Fox News: I understand. Now, but does it mean that you’re ready for, let’s say, a program of reconciliation with those who have opposed you? Are you ready for that?

President Assad: Of course, we announced it at the beginning of this year. We said we are ready to discuss with any political party inside and outside Syria.

[…]

Fox News: Mr. President, our time is limited and I want to briefly go back in time a little bit. I was here in 2000 for the funeral of your father. You assumed the position of President, and at that time some people had real hopes for you as a reformer, to change things, to bring more democracy to this country. In fact, however, critics and analysts say you pulled back to the point where now you are branded other things; you’re branded “dictator” and much, much worse. How does that make you feel when people say you lost the plot, that is, you lost the trail of what you might have done then, that might have avoided all of this now?

President Assad: First of all, if you want to talk about the hope, I would say I’m the hope of the Syrians, it doesn’t matter if I’m the hope of any foreign person, whether he’s official or any other one.

[…]

Fox News: Let’s go on to the latest breaking news. There’s a lot of breaking news in this region right now, and that’s the just-released UN report on the chemical weapon attack last month in the outskirts of Damascus right now. According to this report, and this is the report you said you were waiting for. You said you didn’t want to hear the US, you didn’t want to hear the UK, you didn’t want to hear France, you want the UN to speak, and they have spoken, and they have said and I quote “there’s clear and convincing evidence that the nerve gas Sarin has been used”, and they base this on environmental, chemical, medical samples, they say the killing happened on a relatively large scale, that killing included children. Do you agree with this assessment?

President Assad: They have the samples, and they’re supposed to be objective. We didn’t have any formal report, but the question is if I agree about the use of Sarin gas.

There is much more at the link, all depressingly familiar.

September 18th, 2013, 10:36 pm

 

Hopeful said:

#1559 Scherck

Depressing indeed. How the hell can you start peace negotiation to end a civil war when BOTH sides refuse to even acknowledge there is a civil war?

I remember the days when Syrians used to look at Iraq and say “well, at least we have security”. It was all a mirage. You know, I can probably understand that many support the regime because they are afraid of the alternative. I can understand that many support the regime because they believe in the conspiracy. I can even understand that many support the regime because they truly believe they are fighting terrorists. But it is beyond me that these people cannot acknowledge the failure and incompetency of this regime in managing this crisis for the past 2.5 years, or the past 13 years for that matter. Assad the father destroyed the soul and spirit of Syrians, and Assad the son is destroying physically what is left of it.

September 19th, 2013, 12:46 am

 

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