Guys like this are the way to go. Not exiled Islamists with a grudge.

Wonderful!
It is sad that the Lebanese lobby in France is so strong that they have tried to undermine systematically the “on the ground” opposition. (See articles by Christophe Ayad in Le Monde and blog of a self proclaimed former diplomat Ignace Leverrier, among the “Le Monde recommended blogs”).

Louay Hussein says he’s working to try to form a wide coalition of people with anti-regime opinion and “if we succeed in establishing such a coalition, it would be possible for us to work next on aligning Syrian public opinion with our efforts.” I say Louay Hussein and his “Building the Syrian State” anti-regime political party will get trounced in next year’s parliamentary elections, chiefly because (a) they need substantial support from the more educated classes and they are not attracting much interest today from Syria’s more educated classes, and (b) they don’t have a reform agenda beyond what the Assad party is already implementing. Except for wanting competitive democracy — and we’re going to give them that in the face next year — they don’t have a platform of policies different from the Assad party’s policies; their platform is merely and wholly “let’s replace the Assad party personnel with us”.

Ehsani would get a kick out of this:

The government’s total expenditurues in the budget of year 2012 are to be SYP 1326.550 billion in comparison with SYP 835 billion in 2011. Minister of Finance, Mohammad al-Jleilati said that this increase in the budget is 58 percent in comparison to 2011, adding that this increase is due to adopting a new style in classifying the budget. He added that the current revenues of 2012 budget are estimated at SYP 267 billion compared to SYP 404 billion in 2011, clarifying that the decrease is due to the decline in the profits of the economic companies and the decrease in the due taxes and fees. http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/10/20/376755.htm

I hear inflation in Syria is running at around 5% this year.
In light of the contractionary effect of the Events on the economy, the government is printing more money — which is the right thing to do. The new money is to be injected into the economy as new government expenditure. Anti-Statists (including myself) say that if this action were to be continued repeatedly for years on end, it would be damaging to the private sector economy and would eventually necessitate a big painful correction (even if inflation stayed low). But in the short term, demand stimulus is beneficial to the private sector. I’ll be watching the inflation figure. I expect and hope it stays low. If it goes up then Syria will have to have a serious recession with no government counter-action.

It is now clear that there are many “oppositions”, some better than others, but if they want the minorities to join, they better be 100% secular, which the above-mentioned seems to be.

The uprising has been lead by Islamists from the beginning, both within and outside Syria, but these need to be entirely sidelined if anything is to be achieved.

Sadly, this is unlikely to happen, the West is unknowingly aiding the spread of Salafism, while the Saudis are rubbing their hands.

Louay Hussein says above, in a disapproving tone, “the slogan of “down with the regime” was adopted by some of the opposition leaders as if it was a full political platform.”

I just revisited Louay Hussein’s party’s website, http://binaa-syria.com/B/en and I see no political platform there at all except for an empty “down with the regime”. I don’t even see a presentation of their reasons as to why one should support a “down with the regime” platform.

Great interview and well thought questions. Thank you, Camille!!

Is this the same Louay Hussein who is considered an opposition leader? How can he attack the “opposition leadership” for failing to lead the streets instead of being an echo to the protesters’ unreasonable demands when this is exactly what he’s been doing? I find his rather perplexing!

Also, I’m very curious to know the mechanism that he proposes for removing the regime in a “peaceful and safe manner”..

I think the lack of opposition leadership is one major reason for the crisis in Syria!! Most of the Syrian opposition figures are in politics for the wrong reasons and do not have the right qualities to be politicians.

When it comes to money, the media is so shy…
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/507145
(we don’t learn much about why “Swiss authorities closed Alaa Mubarak’s money laundering case in 2006”)

Neither do you learn much about US taxpayers money in Egypt
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/507011

A lot of Syrians think erroneously that any so-called revolution is going to clean everything and start a new “political” page in Syria, forgetting that politics are conducted and implemented by men and that men tend always anywhere to commit blunders. Add to that that there are inherent problems proper to the Syrian society, like in any other society in any other Arab or non-Arab country, which shall always leave their imprint on ‘the Syrian way of life’. We are traders before anything else. There is a lot of “nifaq” in our mentality since the days of Mouawiya. We are a myriad of different ethnies and an amalgam of entirely different roots. Any eventual new regime is going to commit the same mistakes after a while, not being able to tackle with the everlasting deeply rooted political realities which shall never change. As for coming with the excuse that anything would be better than the current regime, I for myself believe that this way of thinking is absolutely wrong. Louay Hussein seems to be a decent opposition figure, but he gives us a very confusing assessment of what is happening on the ground!

Thank you Camille and Louay. Very interesting.

I agree with what Louay Hussein said regarding the homegrown solution, but, he also should take into consideration the millions of Syrians abroad.

The Syrian abroad are a big part of this movement. The Syrian abroad should also be responsible and ELECT people to represent them and AGENDA/Political party so we know what do they think and what do they plan.

So far it is chaos from the opposing faction and violence from al-Assad, but, as Louay said: the armed conflict is growing now and we will find more violence on the way.

The question here: are there any smart or passionate people who would see this and try to stop the blood shed?

Good article…..thanks

“demonstrations will significantly diminish”

Mr. Hussein, thankfully the protests and their number have swelled this Friday. The capture of Qaddafi reignited the streets of oppressed Syrians.

This Friday, signifies a turning point for al elAssad, nothing will stop the people from achieving their goal, neither the authorities despicable oppression, nor the West support to junior violent mafia.

The dynamics created by Syrians in Syria will not halt until this mafia is ousted, willingly, or, most probably Qaddafi style.

I always thought that the Syrian mafia style regime is more cunning, that Syria’s tyrant is not suicidal, they proofed however to be no different from other dictators.

As a result their ending will be as humiliating. They are at once, blind and deaf.

“West support”, NZ, really? Who do you think you’re kidding?

Eastern support is more like it.

Bronco

Good article you linked last night in regard to RF.  Nicely written and compelling argument.

Hey, listen, I am born in October and October has been a good month so far.  The SNC was born on Oct 2nd, the AL met in Oct 13 and I view it as a positive development.  Qaddafi faced the divine justice on Oct 20th.  The UNSC is meeting today to hopefully condemn the Yaman’s Ali Saleh and empower the Yamani revolution.  HR organizations asking the General Assembly to bypass the UNSC to condemn the Syrian regime (see my link from yesterday).  All in all, realizing the struggle is long, the developments in October were positive. Do you like dark blue, I decided to get a dark blue manicure today.  Never tried it before. will let it you know how it looks. By the way, I was very upset with you yesterday and I want you to use your sixth sense to know why. I gave you a hint earlier.  

“1) Louay: Our priority is to find a made-in-Syria solution that can help us prevent more bloodshed in Syria and can plan for the removal of the oppressive regime in a peaceful and secure way. We think that such a solution can be reached through the establishment of a wide coalition of opposition forces that agree to adopt a national working plan that we proposed among other documents. If we succeed in establishing such a coalition, it would be possible for us to work next on aligning Syrian public opinion with our efforts to confront the regime”

So, the plan for the “next phase”:
Mr Husein is telling us that his priority is to find a “National Solution” that aims to: -stop the blood shed!
-lay the foundations for removing the authoritarian regime in peaceful manners!

How?
-Forming a wide coalition of oppositional forces and forge a national working plan.
– Once that is achieved, we work on forging public opinion to confront the regime!

Mr Hussein!
– You can not even establish a one person political coalition of yourself without the tacit or explicit and fully mindful approval of Jr.
– You can not move from point A to point B within your own neighbourhood without the mindful, tacit or explicit approval of Jr himself

Given those caveats and should you embark on “THE PLAN”, Jr could choose to:
– Watch you move around freely across Damascus and other cities and meet, debate and form a large oppositional coalition of forces with the intent of removing the “Tyrant regime” .
– Wait for the right moment to round all of you and through you in the deepest of oblivions.

I find it worse than naïve to assume that Jr would sit and watch you forming a coalition to remove his regime; It is utter nonsense.

Home grown traditional opposition had tried to reform the regime for years!
They had dismally failed.
The regime instead became more authoritarian, more corrupt, more sectarian, and more sadisitic.

Mr Husein and the rest of internal opposition have become highly convenient, useful tools in the hands of the regime.
Neither Mr Husein nor any of his mates could have dared to utter such a plan before this revolution started, without risking imprisonement.
The fact the Mr. Husein and his mates are still in Syria means that
-they regularly either visit or get visited by Mukabarat emissaries of Jr
-their anti-regime rhetoric is allowed to move up or down to serve the regime plans.
-contrary to Mr Husein and his mates, the “rogue” internal opposition do not enjoy their freedom, mobility, and margin of freedom of speech; They are behind bars!

It is interesting that the people who are counted as supporters of the regime want only the peaceful way to change horses .

Revlon, take it or leave it, people like him are the only chance you’ll get. You need to compromise.

That Assad doesn’t like the Muslim Brotherhood-lead faction of the opposition doesn’t mean it’s better.

Louay Hussein says above “Looking back at the past seven months… the regime… proved unable to introduce serious and realistic initiatives.”

When Louay Hussein’s political party gets its arse handed to it on a plate in next year’s competitive parliamentary elections — enabled by this year’s reforms — he’ll still be thinking that the regime’s initiatives were unserious and unrealistic.

He makes no sense.

Revlon, take it or leave it, people like him are the only chance you’ll get. You need to compromise.

That Assad doesn’t like the Muslim Brotherhood-lead faction of the opposition doesn’t mean it’s better.

21 have fallen martyrs today, Friday of “Ärabian league deadline”
IF Phalange of the Free Syrian Army guarded demonstrators in Hama city.
1 شهيدا في مظاهرات حاشدة بجمعة شهداء المهلة العربية، وكتيبة أبي الفداء تحمي المتظاهرين في حماة وناشطون يتحدثون عن حماس شعبي غير مسبوق بعد مقتل القذافي

2011/10/21
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36038
سوريون نت ووكالات الأنباء

قالت الهيئة العامة للثورة السورية أن 21 شهيدا سقطوا اليوم في مظاهرات عمت سورية كلها مطالبة بإعدام الرئيس ورافضة للمهلة العربية ، وقد اعلن ناشط حقوقي مقتل اربعة مدنيين برصاص قوات الامن السورية الجمعة بينهم ثلاثة في حمص (وسط) والرابع في جاسم الواقعة في ريف درعا (جنوب) مهد الحركة الاحتجاجية ضد نظام الرئيس بشار الاسد
More …………….

The video of Qaddafi’s death is here (graphic). It’s pretty clear how he died.
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/10/qadhdhafi-tortured-before-his-death.html

So Jad, please ask the Ikhras people to give an award to Ban Ki Moon. We didn’t have much hope since the Gaza war, but now that he, NATO, the US and the EU have decided to write that people are allowed to take justice “an eye for an eye”, we are simply back to the Middle Ages.

Pepe Escobar also has an article in the Atimes today on the fight of the vultures above it.

“All the states you mentioned in your question need stability in Syria. This is the reason why they are trying to provide alternatives to the regime in case the street managed to shake the regime until it disintegrated and fell. Those countries worry that by then a security mess will hurt their national interests.”

I fully agree with Mr. Hussien’s answer, however I will add that Syria/Israeli borders is one of the most stable borders in the world, due to Assad. Hizbullah is a movement that shook Israel in spite of Assad. By killing Mughniya in Damascus, Syria’s tyrant became the uncontested son of the west, even before the aging Mubarak was ousted. He was to be their man. However, Syrians and the stupidity of the regime in dealing with Dera’a, bloodied junior iron fist on his docile population. What started as demands for reform, quickly turned, because of the brutality of assad mafia into ousting the regime and hanging its leader.

Israel can subdue Hizbullah, but they know very well they cannot erase an ideology, that is built on social justice and freedom.

PKK vs Syrian Regime: Proxy or Agency

صبحي حديدي : حزب العمال الكردستاني والنظام السوري: وكالة أم عمالة؟

2011/10/21
صبحي حديدي
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36003

بين علائم سكرات الموت، وهي الحال التي يعيشها النظام السوري في الطور الراهن من تدابيره الأمنية ـ العسكرية الهادفة إلى قمع الانتفاضة، أنّ تخبّط الخيارات صار السمة الأبرز في تعامل النظام مع الشطر الكردي من شرائح الحراك الشعبي؛ وأنّ المآلات المنطقية لذلك التخبط أسفرت عن انقلاب شبه تامّ، وربما رأساً على عقب، في مجمل السياسة التي حاول النظام اتباعها مع المواطنين الأكراد منذ ساعة انطلاق الانتفاضة، أواسط آذار (مارس) الماضي. ومن برهة ‘الرشوة’، حين أرسل بشار الأسد ضباطه وممثليه إلى احتفالات عيد النوروز في منطقة الجزيرة السورية؛ مروراً بـ’جمعة آزادي’، التي أفصحت عن الترابط الوثيق في هموم العمل الوطنية والديمقراطية السورية، بين كرد وعرب؛ وصولاً إلى برهة اغتيال الناشط الكردي المهندس مشعل التمو، والتي كانت واحدة من سلسلة عمليات نفّذتها الأجهزة في مسعاها إلى افتعال أو تسعير بؤر احتقان إثنية وطائفية ودينية، في مناطق من سورية تمّ انتقاؤها بعناية فائقة.

ضمن سياقات مماثلة، تخصّ الملفّ الكردي تحديداً، ليس مستغرباً أن يكون النظام قد استطاب خيار شنّ هجوم مضادّ على تركيا، بهدف الإفلات قليلاً من ضغوطات حكومة رجب طيب أردوغان، الراهنة أو تلك التي يُحتمل أن تتعاظم في المستقبل القريب؛ وذلك عن طريق استخدام الورقة الوحيدة التي ما تزال متاحة، حتى إذا كانت محدودة النطاق والتأثير، ومحفوفة بالمخاطر البالغة: تحريك حرب بالوكالة، عن طريق حزب العمال الكردستاني، الـ PKK. ولم يكن تصريحاً مجانياً ذاك الذي أطلقه أردوغان، تعليقاً على العملية العسكرية التي شنّها الحزب مؤخراً وأودت بحياة 26 جندياً تركياً في جنوب شرق تركيا، واعتبر فيه أنّ ‘حزب العمال الكردستاني أصبح أداة بيد قوى خارجية تسعى لضرب الأمن والاستقرار في تركيا’. وثمة مؤشرات عديدة توحي، وبعضها يؤكد تماماً، أنّ الـ PKK قد عرض خدماته على كلّ من إيران والنظام السوري، حتى إذا لم يرتقِ التعاون مع الدولتين إلى مستوى التحالف ضمن محور ثلاثي، واقتصر على عمليات كرّ وفرّ موجعة للأتراك.
وبينما يواصل أكراد سورية، بغالبية ساحقة، مشاركات نشطة في اشغال الانتفاضة، فيتساوون مع أبناء وطنهم العرب، أو يتفوّقون تماماً حين تكون المناطق الكردية هي ساحات التظاهر (كما حدث في مسيرة تشييع الشهيد تمو)؛ يقرأ المرء تصريحات مدهشة لبعض قادة الكردستاني، لا تتعاطف مع النظام السوري فحسب، بل تلصق الخيانة بأشقائهم أكراد سورية، وتطعن في شرف الانتفاضة ومقاصدها أيضاً. الرجل الثاني في الحزب، جميل باييك، يشاطر النظام الرأي بأنّ الانتفاضة ‘مؤامرة خارجية’، وهو على يقين من أنّ أجهزة الأمن السورية ‘لا تستهدف المدنيين الأبرياء’، وأنّ مجموعات المعارضة السورية ليست ‘قوى ديمقراطية’ بل زمر متفرقة ‘طامعة في السلطة’. يوسف زيدان، زميله في القيادة ومسؤول العلاقات الخارجية، لا يتورّع عن حثّ إيران والنظام السوري على بناء ‘حلف ثلاثي’، هدفه ‘مواجهة مخططات تركيا في المنطقة’! ولكن هل يقول باييك أو زيدان كلمة واحدة عن أنساق التمييز والاضطهاد التي يتعرّض لها الأكراد في سورية أو إيران؟ وهل يرى، أحدهما او كلاهما، أي وجه لانخراط أكراد سورية في الانتفاضة، دفاعاً عن تلك الحقوق، وثقة بأنّ إسقاط النظام هو البوّابة الأولى لاستعادة حقّ المواطنة السوري، بادىء ذي بدء، ومعه حقوق الأكراد؟

يُضاف إلى هذا أنّ تقارير صحافية كانت قد أشارت إلى نجاح الحرس الثوري الإيراني في القبض على زعيم الحزب مراد قراييلان، الصيف الماضي، ثمّ إطلاق سراحه بعد مفاوضات مطوّلة انتهت إلى إبرام ‘صفقة ناجحة’ مع الرجل، وبالتالي مع قيادة الحزب عملياً. وكان لافتاً أنّ إيران لم تؤكد الخبر تماماً، ولكنها أعلنت أنها بالفعل اعتقلت شخصاً يحمل نفس الاسم، ولكنه ليس زعيم الكردستاني، فأطلقت سراحه! مدهش، من جانب آخر، أنّ قراييلان كان قد أدلى بحديث للقناة الثانية في التلفزة الإسرائيلية، اعتبر فيه أنّ أعداء إسرائيل هم أنفسهم أعداء الأكراد، وحثّ على وقف التعاون بين تل أبيب وأنقرةّ، وتقديم المساعدات الضرورية للحزب كي ينجح في محاربة تركيا! فإذا كان اليوم مستعداً لوضع حزبه في خدمة إيران والنظام السوري، ضدّ تركيا، فإنّ من حقّ المرء أن يتساءل عن ميزان صداقة/ عداء إسرائيل في هذا المثلث: منْ صديقها، ومَنْ عدوّها؟
More …………..

Bronco

Tara, sorry I am only concerned by the situation in Syria. I can’t read anyone’s mind. I wish I could. Happy Birthday.

I agree with Louai Hussain that the demonstarions will diminish and armed violemce will increase, ,but this decrease in demonstrations does not mean at all that the resentment of syrian is less, infact it means it will be more, I mentioned this before.
I think waiting for more wider coalition of the opposition will take very long,the syrian people now are polarized,that is why expanding the opposition may not take place.
It seems to me that the purpose of this interview is to marginalize the external opposition,The external opposition is very important and made of highly educated people,and can form the future leaders of Syria.

Habib
you mentioned Islamist, do you mean both Shiite and Sunni or only Sunni?

AF Phalange sniper of the Free Syrian Army takes out one of Jr’s Mobsters; the rest of the mob were seen fleeing en mass in busses.
AlQusoor, Hama
21/10/2011
حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
أموي مباشر سوريا #syria •◄ عاجل : حماه : حي القصور الجيش الـْـْحر ينتقم بسرعة وتم قنص أحد الشبيحة الآن بحي القصور وهروب باصات الشبيحة الله أكبر … عاشت سوريا ويسقط بشار الأسد
2 hours ago

MR Hussien,

Don’t you think that the problem is that the moderate opposition leaders are afraid of the radicals,so a peaceful outcome is unlikely

“Our souls, our blood we sacrifice for you, Libya!” Syrian protesters chanted Friday.

Syrian protesters take inspiration from Libya

21/10/2011

BEIRUT (AP) — Inspired by the scenes of euphoria in Libya, Syrian protesters poured into the streets Friday and shouted that President Bashar Assad’s regime will be the next to unravel now that ousted Libyan dictator Moammar Gaddafi is dead.

http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27023

A 10 man unit of AlQashoosh Phalange of the Free Syrian Army ambushed A Shabbeeha gathering point, near the Central prison in Hama city. 40 mobsters were killed and 3 of their buses were destroyed.

The speaker cited an increase in the numbers of the FSA and a plan to attack the “mercenaries” in the safety of their homes.

عملية نوعية للجيش السوري الحر في حماه 18-10-2011

China is growing impatient with Bashar.  Another good news in October.  Watch out Besho, I am expecting that you lose the Russian and The Chinese veto before the end of the year.  Thanks to the AL initiative.

http://latestchina.com/article/?rid=48621

China urges Syria regime to deliver on promised reforms
 Published: 10/11/2011 11:41:05 AM GMT 
 
China has for the first time urged the Syrian regime to deliver on its much-promised reforms, in a move that some observers see as a sign of waning patience with its embattled ally.

A staunch supporter throughout the six-month uprising, Beijing said on Tuesday that Bashar al-Assad’s government must “respond to the Syrian people’s reasonable expectations”.

The announcement by the foreign ministry appears to be a nod to the anti-government movement, which insists it has remained largely passive in the face of an intensive military crackdown. The move is also being seen as a message to Damascus that Beijing is diverging from the Syrian narrative, which suggests the uprising is the work of foreign-backed terrorists.

“China is highly concerned about the situation in Syria, is against the use of violence, and we hope not to see any more bloodshed and casualties,” a foreign ministry spokesman, Liu Weimin, said. “The Syrian government should move faster to honour its reform pledges and quickly initiate and push forward the inclusive political process with the broad participation of all parties.”

The move comes several days after Russia also publicly shifted its position, offering more strident criticism of the regime and demanding that Assad either reform or quit. Both countries had been heavily criticised by Europe and the US for vetoing a bid in the UN security council to threaten further sanctions. Russia has maintained its strategic alliance with Syria from the cold war and China is looking to consolidate a foothold in the region.

Syria dissidents secure Libya embassy promise
Thursday, October 20, 2011

The National Transitional Council of Libya (NTC) has promised to hand over the Syrian Embassy in Tripoli in the coming months to the Syrian National Council (SNC) formed by Syrian dissidents, the Hürriyet Daily News has learned.

“We asked for handing over of the Syrian Embassy in Libya to the SNC during our visit to Libyan transitional authorities a couple of days ago. This kind of act would not be legally recognized, but it would have a symbolic meaning for us. They promised to do so in the near future,” Halit Hoca, the SNC Foreign Affairs Committee Turkish representative, told the Hürriyet Daily News in an interview Thursday.

NTC officially recognized the Syrian opposition council 10 days ago and decided to close the Syrian Embassy in Tripoli. Thus Libya became the first country to announce its recognition of the SNC, which was established about one month ago in Istanbul.

Leading members of the SNC visited Egypt two days ago on their return from Libya. The council members met with Arab League Secretary-General Nabil al-Arabi in Egypt and repeated their request for the suspension of Syria’s membership from the Arab League.

“There are some countries in the Arab League that are against the suspension of Syria’s membership,” Hoca said. “Now we are planning to visit those countries such as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Sudan and Qatar to explain to them the situation in Syria and convince them.”

Hoca said their short-term aim was to persuade the international community to isolate Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad.

Assistant Secretary-General of the Arab League Wagih Hanafi announced Thursday that they had received approval from the Syrian government to receive a ministerial delegation headed by Qatar on Oct. 26, AFP reported.

The delegation will include al-Arabi and the foreign ministers of Algeria, Egypt, Oman and Sudan.

At an urgent session in Cairo on Oct. 16, the Arab League called for “national dialogue” in the Egyptian capital between Syria’s government and the opposition by the end of the month to help end the violence and avoid “foreign intervention” in Syria. But the proposal was swiftly slammed by Syria’s official media.

Hoca said they would announce the eight members of the SNC executive committee next week in Istanbul. “The leadership team might change according to rotation every three months, so that everybody in the council can have the chance to be part of the decision-making process,” Hoca said. The United Nations estimated more than 3,000 people, including 187 children, have been killed in a fierce crackdown on dissent in Syria

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=embassy-in-libya-to-snc-2011-10-20

NZ continues the desperate strategy of claiming the Assads were somehow allied with the Israelis on one hand, while begging the West/Israelis to intervene on the other.

Reminds me of Lebanon in 2006, when Sunnis were openly cheering for the destruction of Hezbollah.

Problem is, you can’t have it both ways. Golan was quiet because Syria was powerless against Israel alone without Egypt and Iraq backing it up.

So no, Hezbollah didn’t manage to defeat Israel IN SPITE of Syria, but because of Syria. Same with Hamas before they went belly up. They were Syria’s proxy armies whose purpose was to regain Golan.

And yet again, I point you to the fact that the West was supporting the Syrian opposition long before the uprising, even when they were supposedly coming to terms with Syria.

And why do you think the extreme right-wing Israelis here are on your side and not the regime’s? That says it all.

Majedkhaldoun:

Your question would be relevant if there were anything but Sunni-islamists in Syria. There aren’t.

And on Tara’s link, lol, as if the Russians and Chinese would care about beat-down of dissent, they’re masters of it themselves.

Tara
The article on China’s growing impatient is dated 10 days old and was already posted here! So it was before the AL meeting.
By the way, the reforms are being delivered.

Zoo, it the Lybians new authority give the embassy to the so-called self-proclaimed opposition in exile, we’ll see the Middle East enter a new Qarmat crisis, when they stold the black stone of the Kaaba for some decades!! I pray for the mess to be controled…

Banner: To the SNC from Khalidiyeh demonstrators
No to dialogue; Or else leave along with jr! (0.36 second).

حمص حي الخالدية 21 10 2011 مظاهرة حاشدة تطالب باسقاط النظام وتبارك للشعب الليبي النصر جزء2
http://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Revolution

Hey all

Note China’s position above in #29 “inclusive political process with the broad participation of all parties”.

If Bashar refuses to sit with the SNC, he loses. He is stuck this time. He just can not role- play dialogue by fake opposition. He has No choice and is outsmarted by the AL initiative which is now formally supported by Russia and China.

The horror of the lynching of Qaddafi
Gaddafi was lynched by rebels
Published October 20th, 2011 – 20:00 GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io7hO8242Dk
Ousted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was lynched on Thursday in the city of Sirte. A graphic video shows Gaddafi alive on his legs. Around him was a group of armed gunmen who start to attack him and lynch him in a barbaric act, which is expected to embarrass the current regime.

Earlier, Mohamed Al-Laith the Field Commander for the Southern District in the city of Sirte east of Tripoli, on Thursday said deposed Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was killed while trying to escape.
http://www.albawaba.com/news/rebel-leader-gaddafi-was-armed-when-killed-397813

Let’s call out Tara’s misinformation regarding China:

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2011-10/21/content_13945647.htm

The Western media have been sensationalizing China’s stance on Syria, with one of them saying: “China demanded that Syria’s leader President Bashar al-Assad move toward faster political reform, a rare change of policy and a deviation from its usual refusal to intervene in the affairs of strategic allies.”

That is a wrong analysis, for China’s actions are aimed at restoring normalcy in the lives of the Syrian people as soon as possible and bringing back peace and stability in the Middle East.

After the change of governments in Egypt and Libya, Syria has been in the eye of the storm sweeping the Middle East. Thanks to the intervention of Western powers, especially the United States, violent conflicts between different groups in Syria have intensified, greatly raising the risk of civil war in the country.

With a population of 22.25 million and a territory of 185,000 square kilometers, Syria is a middle-sized country in the Middle East but plays a big role in the region because of its geographic importance. Since it shares its borders with countries like Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Israel, it has had to bear the brunt of Arab-Israeli conflicts and even lose its territory, the Golan Heights, to Israel.

Given these factors, it is impossible to restore peace in the region without the active participation of Syria. Besides, its cooperation with Iran, influence on Lebanon’s Hezbollah party and the presence of 2 million Kurdish people within its territory make its stability especially important.

No wonder, it has become a target of the West’s selective intervention policy in the “democratization” wave that is sweeping across the Arab world. As soon as anti-government protests started in Syria in March this year, Western countries began supporting opposition forces through every possible means – imposing economic sanctions, limiting senior officials’ travels abroad, and even directly telling Bashar al-Assad to resign.

The West has tried to treat Syria in the same way that it treated Libya. It tried to propel the UN Security Council to impose further sanctions and even launch an attack on Syria.

The US and its Western allies are dreaming of turning the Mediterranean Sea into “NATO’s internal lake”. If the Western powers can topple Bashar al-Assad, they can isolate Iran further and take forward their plan to establish a “Great Middle East”.

By intervening selectively in the Middle East, Western countries are in fact fulfilling their own interests instead of promoting their avowed universal values. They identify a country where they want to intervene not because it is undemocratic but because it threatens or is deemed to threaten their interests. And the Western media never hesitate in advocating mass protests in the countries that hinder or are deemed to hinder Western interests.

Syria and Libya (during Muammar Gadhafi’s rule) have both been thorns in America’s side for opposing its wider “democracy” plan in the Middle East and NATO’s ambition to include the whole of the Mediterranean region in its orbit. Now that Gadhafi has been ousted from power in Libya, the Western alliance has turned to Syria.

But Syria is not Libya. Although armed conflicts have occurred between different groups in the country, Qadri Jamil, leader of the Popular Front for Change, has declared openly that he and his party reject all forms of foreign intervention and the Syrian people should decide the country’s future. On Oct 12, thousands of people demonstrated in support of Bashar al-Assad in Syria and expressed opposition to foreign intervention.

As a responsible country which believes in non-intervention in the internal affairs of a country, China on Oct 5 vetoed a move in the United Nations Security Council to intervene in Syria. For long, China has advocated political dialogue between different groups to maintain peace and stability in the Middle East. It expects the Syrian government to make good its promises on reform and start the process of inclusive politics, and supports the negotiation efforts of all.

China’s actions best illustrate its principle of peaceful diplomacy and pursuit of a harmonious world.

China does have interests in the region, but they are in accordance with those of Middle East countries. Peace and stability mean lower risks and less threat to the lives of people in the Middle East.

China and the Middle East countries have to continue promoting economic cooperation and oil trade, which will not only secure China’s oil supply, but also help oil-producing countries stabilize oil prices. Moreover, peace and stability will help eliminate terrorism, separatism and extremism, which is the common pursuit of most countries.

If the UN had passed the proposal to intervene in Syria, not only Syria, but also the entire Middle East would have soon become mired in chaos and people of the region would have been subjected to even greater suffering.

Here is the update China-AL views

Chinese FM, Arab League chief exchange views on Syria over phone
By : Xinhua|Updated: 2011-10-21

http://en.kunming.cn/index/content/2011-10/21/content_2705569.htm

COPENHAGEN, Oct. 20 (Xinhua) — Visiting Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi here on Thursday discussed the situation in Syria in a telephone conversation with Arab League (AL) chief.
“The concerned parties of Syria should put the national and people’s interests first, abandon violence and avoid bloodshed, so as to restore stability and order to the country through dialogue,” Yang told AL Secretary General Nabil el-Arabi.
“The Syria government should implement its promised reforms, and respond to the reasonable demands from the people. The opposition should also have peaceful dialogue with the government,” Yang added.
Syria has witnessed massive anti-government protests across the country since mid-March 2011.
For his part, el-Arabi related the AL’s position on the issue of Syria and appreciated the positive role played by China in this matter.
Yang said “China will continue playing its role, and China attaches great importance to the Arab League’s role in regional peace and stability. China is willing to strengthen communication and coordination with the Arab League on these issues.”
Yang was on a two-day visit to Denmark ending Thursday, during which he met Danish Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt and his Danish counterpart Villy Soevndal.

Demonstration in Salaheddin neighbourhood, Aleppo
It was quickly attacked by the mobsters
Friday, 21/10/2011

^ Even Iran uses similar wording towards the situation in Syria, so no, nothing has changed.

CV, yours and your father as well. Some in SNP would like CV of granny too. so lets see that first, please. Getting Jailed by Assad is not a badge or certificate of qualification, hundred thousands been in and out of his prisons.

Tara
Happy Birthday.

Habib
You are avoiding to answer very relavent question,again do you mean by the word Islamist, Shiite and Sunni or only Sunni?
Alawite and Druze are muslems but they are not Islamist.

Norman
The supporters of the criminal regime want to split the opposition,the inside opposition is refusing to negotiate with the regime .

Zoo 

Oh my dear god….It really is horrible watching your graphic link, and even the more graphic Mina’s link about Quddafi’s death.  I have no love affair with Quaddfi or Besho, but I am against this mode of death and I condemn it strongly.  It is horrifying!  While I would not be able to stand an argument by a parent whose child was tortured and killed by Qaddafi or Assad, I emotionally, mentally, and wholeheartedly do not approve this kind of justice.

Qaddafi’s last words  حرام عليكم will follow me to sleep today.

majedkhaldoun:

I’m not avoiding anything, since your question does not reflect the facts. But yes, hypothetically, if there were Shia Islamists in Syria, I would prefer them to stay out of politics, unless they aimed towards secularism.

Bronco

It does not kill to sound nice.

Here are two more videos: when they pull him out of the truck where he had been put as prisoner
http://www.lemonde.fr/libye/video/2011/10/20/la-derniere-video-de-kadhafi-vivant_1591613_1496980.html

and the one they start lynching him
http://www.lemonde.fr/libye/video/2011/10/20/la-derniere-video-de-kadhafi-vivant_1591613_1496980.html

Welcome to civilization and democracy. Mr Ban Ki Moon, I wish you the same fate you impose people’s kids to be watching.

They’ll say: the rebels killed him; the rebels will say: Hillary Clinton told us to kill him… etc. Read Pepe Escobar to know the rest on how vultures behave these days
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ22Ak03.html

Revlon

You’ll be happy to know that in Rome and in Athens too, the people seen attacking the police are said to have been brought by buses by the police themselves (it is needed to scare the rest of the populace). So you see, not a specialty, again.

Mina #32

With the lynching of Qaddafi, the UN is calling for an investigation and Libya have too much mess and internal conflicts on their hands to pay any attention to the SNC. But France will probably push.

Why don’t they call it for what it is, the SOROS GLOBAL REVOLUTION. I take it he is racking billions shorting currency, markets and bonds of countries before each revolutionary startup or civil unrest.

Habib

Just admit it. It is a natural evolution. No tyranny ever stood divine justice. Assad’s rule will end up like any other tyranny. He is incapable of proving that history is wrong. It is a rather simple fact. If you think about it this way, it may gives you some comfort. 3000 people did not die in vain. 20,000-30,000 murdered by Papa hafiz did not die in vain. There is no way out. It really is a simple fact…. Just pray for him, he does not end like Quaddafi.

Tara
#42
I am also horrified and I think the way this killing was carried out will haunt everyone who believes that justice should be done without primitive and revengeful violence.

I share totally the outrage of Pepe Escobar’s in his article on the ‘vultures’
Qatar, the only arab country involved, bears a responsibility in this murder. I am sure they realize it

Habib

Are you saying that Hizbullah should stay out of Politics,or are you saying HA is not Islamist?

Those who do not want to tell the truth,they always avoid answering directly.

Zoo
I was using twitter once following what was going on in Lybia before the fall of Benghazi and an NPR journalist was “tweeting live” the informations he was receiving from the rebels who had launched an online radio. At some point they started to send him pictures of the black guys they were catching (not mercenaries, just poor workers) in order that he could help reading what was written in English or in French on one travel document from the guy’s embassy (Guinea, I think it was.) It was clear already then that quickly Lybia and its 6 millions inhabitants would do their best to get rid of any black guys around, mercenaries or not.
After that, I was amazed Carvin kept on his job on twitter the following days. As for me, I am too disgusted and stopped using it.
One of the harsher hypocrisy among Muslims today is their racism. Bilal was black for God’s sake.

http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=http%3A//www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DHyjKxQM4sc4

The killing continue by the regime, We will NEVER forget what is done to us in HOMS….
FYI,
The opposition will never set with killer and thugs.
Down with butcher Bashar
Down with butcher Bashar
Down with butcher Bashar
Down with butcher Bashar
Down with butcher Bashar

Habib,

Don’t you think that the government should also be blamed for dragging it’s feats , while announcing the reform , they are doing very little to move forward and take the cards from the opposition,

Habib,since hafiz ,the syrian regime is working as propaganda machine for the iranian theocracy,it’s normal that the shia extremists support assad … because of Syrian dominant religious identity.
So it’s strange that many seculars supporters of the assad system are deeply sectarians.
As result of the historic religious hatred that unite extremist shias ,they fear democratic change in Syria.
Also we should not forget that the assadian regime has allowed the iranian theocracy a free hand to build khomainist propaganda centers in several parts of Syria in which there are no shiites.

Zoo

I hear your detest to the NATO involvement in Lybia. I also understand your suspicious attitude of the West motive. I assume you saw Quaddafi for what he was, not a national hero rather a psychopathic tyrant. Having said that, Can you please explain to me what could have the Libyans done to topple him other than to ask for the help of the UN? He could have never ever been toppled peacefully!

Guys,
Come let us join all the Arab League initiative. Both Russian and Chinese officials blessed it.
I invite Louay Hussein to join, too.

Norman

I think they are many reasons why the government appear to drag their feet.

– The government does not want to open his cards gradually to get the “too little, too late” mantra.
– They have also complained that any reform they announced has been responded by more violence, so they are careful in not making any new announcements as long as the violence is not controlled..
– They may worry that giving too much may break too quickly the control and the upper hand they still have.
– They are watching the unraveling of the situation in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya as the situation there may affect the mood of the international community on Syria.

Maybe, they may come without an all out announcement when they could secure the full support of the Arab League and the support of the media.

Cute and telling. From http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.com/

UN urges Turkey to end Iraq incursions
Did we say ‘Turkey’? Sorry, meant Syria!

“… “I strongly deplore the violent incursions and raids into Lebanese towns and villages by Syrian security forces that resulted in death and injury,” said UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in a report release late Wednesday 19 Oct 2011. “I call upon the government of the Syrian Arab Republic immediately to cease all such incursions and to respect Lebanon’s sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Ban added…”

Source: AFP

Copied from http://friday-lunch-club.blogspot.com/

Dear Tara@57:

The Libyan rebels were fast to hold arms and fast to appeal on the West military help. What was the alternative? I do not know.

However, both options are not good for Syria. I still believe the Assad regime can fall by political means, not military ones.

@ Norman 55:

Bashar has a lot to blame in the current situation. What is amazing that Bashar did not meet with any of the opposition figures including the reconciliatory ones, such as Louay Husein and others.

I think Gaddafi and his son should be buried in Serte in a respected islamic way.
Gaddafi was a funny guy,I remember how he translated
democracy,people chairs, as Cracy he said,is arabic word means chairs.

In Syria so far the regime killed 28,massive demonstrations encouraged by the death of Gaddafi.

I still think Bashar should get the message,there is no good way out for him except he packs and leave, otherwise his end will be similar to Gaddafi,but Tyrants never learn from history.

SNC should send someone other than Burhan Ghalioun, Muhammad Abdullah is a good debater,he was on Cross dialogue, ,Feisal Qassem program, and he did well.

@ Norman #55

One day before Bashar’s first speech, my wife asked my “what do you think Bashar will say”?

I answered her “If I were at Bashar place, I would say to the people that I understand your problems and pain, and I will lead the transition to democracy myself”.

My wife answered “This is you who would do that, not Bashar”

My wife was right.

Tara

I have no answer to your question of how to quickly topple a regime. In my view, this is a matter for the citizens to decide, even if it takes years. Tunisia did it in its own, Iran did not call for help to topple the US supported Shah, India to get rid of the British, the Russians to end the Soviet Union.
Having the NATO or the US “liberating’ countries does not give to the country any pride, in the contrary it creates a twisted hate-love relation. We are seeing Iraq and we will soon see its effect in Libya.
For Libya, the western countries were in a rush to get their oil supply. They were courting Qaddafi a few months ago for more oil business and suddenly, after the Tunisia revolution and Bernard Henry Levy campaign, he became a dangerous dictator.
They knew it was the right time for Europeans to get their ‘Iraq-like’ protectorate on a country with huge resources.

While I admire Tunisians, I have only despise for the hypocrisy of the Western countries and not much admiration for Libyans.

@ 59:

Pakistan is coming to be as none-permanent member of the security council this January. It is important to watch what would happen.

Majedkhaldoun:

I must admit I have a soft spot for anyone who fights against Israel, but no, I’m a secularist, so ideally Hezbollah should not influence domestic politics if they infuse it with religion. At least they do not call for an Islamic state any more, unlike the Salafists.

Norman:

The regime has fucked up big time, but the Muslim Brotherhood is still not a valid alternative to secularists or minorities. We must face it, they’re dominatng the opposition, and will obtain power if the West intervenes.

As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, if the regime turned to Israel to redeem itself in the eyes of the West, I’d be happy to see it fall, so I’m not pro-regime.

Shami:

But the Shia Islamists and their Sunni Palestinian allies fight Israel, whereas non-Palestinian Sunnis do not, quite the contrary.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Tara, if you think to take justice in one’s hands is the only way, how can you ever hope for a positive outcome in the Middle East? The old vendetta system?
Ben Ali is in Saudi Arabia. His police regime has also been torturing for years and no one is getting any trial. As long as Saudi Arabia does not comply with international justice in terms of delivering a suspect, do you think it means that people should turn to do justice themselves?
The question is why was all the international community supporting Qaddafi recently, selling him weapons only 3 months before attacking him? Can we have a just international system when the officials are themselves making profit in “contractors” companies?

I would think humans are now smarter than that. A war can be economic, of boycott, of going abroad and be an activist, of computer hacking. No instead of that, every body until recently wanted to be the friend of all the wealthy family. Lybians were not crossing the Mediterranean sea on cheap boats, like the Moroccans and Algerians. It is just about reshuffling the cards in the board and you have strictly no guarantee of what is coming next.

Cost of wars
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/exclusive/1-billion-one-dictator-094911231.html

In Syria the Ukrainian is killed, the bullet has got to heart. Her husband is assured: the sniper shot
Гасан considers, the wife have killed not casually: “I cry, and my children of emotions do not give out, they strong”
On October, 17th in the Syrian city of Homs 33-year-old inhabitant of Odessa Nadezhda Grigorashchenko-Sulejman has been killed. “Today” it was possible to contact the husband lost — the graduate of Odessa building academy Gasanom Sulejmanom — and to receive tragedy particulars.
«That day somewhere at 13:30 I together with Nadej went from a market in area Asheri, we bought there products. All has occurred in the street Setin (in translation from Arabic —« 60 meters »so street named for its length. — a bus). I took the helm, and the wife — on a back seat. Suddenly she has screamed! Having turned back, I with horror have seen that from a breast of Nadjushi a fountain beats blood… I have understood at once that it is wounded, and on all speed has jerked in hospital. The clinic was in 4 km, but to take Nadju live it was not possible. The bullet has got to it directly to heart…», — has told us Gasan, with confidence having added: his wife have killed not casually.
«The sniper from the house in a quarter of bedouins shot. I am assured that the murderer — from among civil mercenaries-gangsters. It is made to provoke still the big flash of disorders in my city», — the Syrian shares the version. Besides, it denies hearings that the Hope was shot by the governmental armies — a pier, neither it, nor his wife were not interested in a policy and never were opponents of the Syrian authorities.
The inhabitant of Odessa have buried on a Christian ceremony in Homs, on a cemetery at local orthodox church. Two children of spouses of Sulejman — 7-year-old Daniel and 12-year-old Nastja remain in Syria together with the father. It was the decision Nadinoj of mum and Gasana, the close friend lost — Inna has told to us.
«So to children it will be better. Their parents were an ideal married couple. Надя has got acquainted with Gasanom in 18 years, he still studied in building academy. It was the love at first sight. In two years have got married and have lived in happy marriage of 13 years, — Inna remembers. — Nadja in general was very good person, kind and reliable. It very much helped me councils — it was ideal mother. Then became God mum for Diana’s my daughter».
Daniel and Nastja, according to their father, have apprehended loss of mum with firmness. «I cry, and my children keep very much, do not give out emotions also me support. They very strong at me», — tells Gasan, continuing: «And for 13 years we never quarreled with Nadej».
By the way, the Syrian in building academy has protected the master’s thesis, and also has obtained the Ukrainian citizenship. Besides study, Gasan Sulejman headed Syrian землячество in Odessa. However three years ago the family has left in the native city of Gasana — Homs. Here Sulejman was engaged in business — sale of cars and building.
In the meantime among the Ukrainians living in Syria, the panic spreads — firing between local opposition and the governmental armies occur here almost daily. «All watch and for any nonsense put in what not guilty people! And in prisons the lawlessness — this is created

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20111021/167958394.html
Moscow slams Western draft resolution on Syria
The Western draft resolution on Syria could provoke a Libyan scenario in the country, Russian Prime Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday.
He underscored that Russia is opposed to Syria sanctions.
“The Western resolution is fraught with the repetition of a Libyan scenario although its co-authors are trying to convince us otherwise,” he said.
The main problem with the document is that it lays the blame squarely at President Bashar Assad’s doorstep, which Lavrov described as a “one sided approach.”
On October 4, Russia and China vetoed a UN Security Council draft resolution that urged the Syrian regime to immediately stop using violence against protesters or face “targeted measures.”
The draft resolution, sponsored by France with Britain, Germany and Portugal, was supported by nine of 15 Security Council members. Four others – Brazil, India, South Africa and Lebanon – abstained.
President Assad said in late August that Washington and its European partners were hindering the political changes that represent the only way out of Syria’s crisis.

Bronco, Habib,

The Syrian government has to jump on top of the opposition to the people that are supporting them, If the Syrian government comes out with new constitution that opens the political life to all and announce a set time for multiparty elections at the local and the state level, then if the opposition does not accept the Syrian government would have made it clear that they do not want equal access but they want to overturn the government and kill their enemies and with what is going on in Egypt and now Libya and the clear stand that secretary clinton took when she said that the opposition does not seem to be able to attract the minorities in Syria, all that indicate to me that the US will jump at any opportunity to declare that Syria is moving toward democracy peacefully .

Good interview, many thanks to Mr Louai’s courage in answering and to Alex’s for choosing an opposition figure that many Syrians like and respect.

I agree with Ya Mara Ghalaba, that in this interview Mr. Louai criticize the ‘Down with the regime’ as a political platform yet in the first statement of his political party/movement he states clearly that ‘Down with the regime’ is the base, which I think in the interview he missed to explain the difference between ‘Down with the regime’ he is against and the ‘Down with the regime’ his party support.

Personally I think that the second ‘Down to the regime’ in his party was meant in the philosophical/moral form rather than the political one, which almost every Syrian support, however, the word ‘regime’ in both sentence is what made the confusion, probably because in the Arabic language both ‘System’ and ‘Regime’ have the same word?
It’s clear that Syrians are against the political ‘Regime’ they have today not the political ‘System’ since the word regime for many Syrians means ‘Individuals’ and ‘Position’ instead of ‘Parties’, form of government and ‘Policies’, while’ System’ means not only the political form but also Cultural, Social, and anything that Syria contain which we need to work on not to destroy. Changing ‘Position’ and ‘Names’ wouldn’t make any difference as we see in Egypt and Tunisia.
I think I’m rumbling too much but that’s the way I understand his stand talking about ‘Down with the regime’ and I may also be totally wrong.

Other that than, I think Mr. Louai in his answers was honest, humble and very diplomatic, which is essential to any politician Syria needs today, and his clear rejection of violence, international intervention and sectarianism will get him the political support he needs form many Syrians, I just hope and wish that he keep his stand for those three points regardless of all the pressure and intimidation he is getting by all sides.

“المعارض ميشيل كيلو:
إذا كنا سنسقط الدولة من أجل الحرية فأنا مع الدولة .”

I hope that will be the outcome, Norman.

Not sure if that’s what most of the opposition wants though. They want Bashar dead at any cost. Which ain’t gonna happen.

this piece of news is huge.read in between the lines.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-announce-full-troop-drawdown-iraq-164843571.html

المعلم: قرار جمهوري قريب لتشكيل لجنة تحضيرية للحوار الوطني يعقد في غضون شهر

“القيادة السورية درست بدقة ما وراء سطور قرار الجامعة العربية, ثم أعلمنا الجامعة بمذكرة خطية استعدادنا لاستقبال اللجنة الوزارية العربية في دمشق”
“الغرب وجد أن العقوبات الاقتصادية هي الطريق لإسقاط النظام، وعلينا مواجهة هذا المخطط, وروسيا اكثر الدول التي تضغط لتنفيذ الاصلاحات”
قال وزير الخارجية والمغتربين وليد المعلم انه “ليس هناك إي تأخر في انجاز الإصلاحات وما يجري في سورية من برنامج إصلاحي شامل سيتم خلال اقل من 6 اشهر وهو زمن قياسي مقارنة بالتحولات التي جرت في بلدان أخرى, فيما اشار الى ان الغرب يريد اسقاط النظام ووجد ان العقوبات الاقتصادية هي الطريق لذلك.

وقال المعلم في حديث لقناة روسيا اليوم بث صباح الجمعة إن “من يريد الإصلاح أصبح هناك قوانين، هناك قانون للأحزاب يستطيع أن ينضوي في ظل هذا القانون، هناك انتخابات نيابية ستجري في شهر شباط القادم، هناك انتخابات الإدارة المحلية، أيضاً هناك قانون الإعلام، وأخيراً شكلت لجنة لوضع دستور جديد للبلاد متطور وعصري، أيضاً خلال أيام سيصدر قرار جمهوري بتشكيل اللجنة التحضيرية للحوار الوطني الشامل الذي يجب أن يعقد في غضون شهر”.

وتابع المعلم “ما هي السرعة المطلوبة؟ هذه أمور مصيرية، امور ستحول سورية إلى وجه جديد من التعددية من الديمقراطية، تقدم نموذجاً للمنطقة يحتذى به, هل يعقل ان يتم “سلق” هذه الأمور بسرعة؟ الأمور هامة لأنها تريد رسم صورة جديدة لسورية، ولذلك نحن استعنا بخبرات واستعنا بقانونيين للاستفادة من هذه الخبرات في سن مثل هذه القوانين”.

ولفت المعلم الى أن “القيادة لم تتأخر والجدول الزمني الذي حدده السيد الرئيس جدول مختصر، خلال أقل من ستة أشهر سيتم إنجاز كل هذه الاصلاحات”.

وتابع المعلم “ولذلك مع الأسف أسأل إذا كانت المعارضة فعلاً حريصة على البلد وعلى سورية فيجب أن تتعامل إيجابياً مع هذه المواضيع، وأن تكون جزءاً منها ومن الحوار الوطني لكي تشارك في رسم صورة سورية المستقبل. أما موضوع الدم، اتساءل، هل هناك نظام في العالم يقتل مواطنيه؟ أم من واجب هذا النظام أن يحمي مواطنيه من الإرهاب؟”, موضحا ” ما نواجهه هو جماعات إرهابية مسلحة، لا علاقة لها بالإصلاح، وليس في جدول أعمالها الاصلاح، هذه الجماعات الإرهابية تمول وتسلح من الخارج، وكل يوم يطالعنا التلفزيون السوري بضبط كميات من الأسلحة المهربة، وبضبط أشخاص يقومون بأعمال إرهابية، ما هي اهدافهم؟ فقط مقابل حفنة من المال, لذلك يجب أن نميز هنا بين المعارضة الوطنية التي لديها أفكار وتوجهات سياسية واقتصادية وبين هؤلاء المسلحين”.

وفيما يخص قرار الجامعة العربية تجاه سورية وتحفظ مندوبها عليه, قال المعلم ان تحفظ المندوب كان شخصيا “حيث قال بالحرف أنا أتحفظ بصفتي الشخصية، وأنتظر الموقف الرسمي من قيادتي”. القيادة السورية درست بدقة ما وراء سطور هذا القرار، وأنا أبلغت أمين الجامعة العربية أن القيادة تدرس القرار بروح إيجابية، ثم أعلمنا جامعة الدول العربية بمذكرة خطية استعدادنا لاستقبال اللجنة الوزارية العربية في دمشق”.

وكان وزراء الخارجية العرب قرروا، في ختام اجتماعهم بمقر الجامعة العربية، يوم الأحد الماضي، تشكيل لجنة عربية برئاسة قطر، للاتصال بالقيادة السورية لوقف العنف وإجراء اتصالات بينها وبين أطياف المعارضة لبدء حوار في مقر الجامعة وتحت رعايتها خلال 15 يوما، وإبقاء مجلس الجامعة في حالة انعقاد كامل لمتابعة الوضع في سورية.

وكانت الجامعة العربية قالت في بيان لها الخميس ان الجامعة تلقت موافقة الحكومة السورية على استقبال وفدا وزاريا برئاسة قطر في 25 تشرين الاول الجاري.

وفيما يخص العقوبات الغربية على سورية وانتشار الجنود في محيط بعض المدن, قال المعلم “أولاً الغرب يدعي الحرص على حقوق الإنسان السوري، وهو الذي فرض عقوبات اقتصادية تضر بمصلحة الانسان السوري، هذا إذاً تناقض فاضح في توجه الغرب تجاه سورية، الغرب لديه مخطط، هذا المخطط أصبح واضح المعالم، استهدف في البداية إضعاف النظام ثم تحول إلى إسقاط النظام”.

واضاف ان” الغرب يريد إسقاط دور سورية في المنطقة وقرارها المستقل, هذا الغرب وجد أن العقوبات الاقتصادية هي الطريق لإسقاط النظام، من هنا أقول علينا مواجهة هذا المخطط”.

وتابع وزير الخارجية “لم تستخدم الدبابات السورية طيلة سبعة أشهر بل كانت في البداية تستخدم لحماية الجنود في داخلها، ولغاية الآن لم يستخدم مدفع دبابة واحدة في هذه الأحداث، لكن من الطبيعي هل هناك نظام في العالم يقبل أن يكون في داخله مجموعات إرهابية مسلحة، ممولة ومسلحة من الخارج، تعبث بأمن المواطن ومؤسساته ومدارسه؟ بالأمس قتل ثلاثة أطفال من عائلة واحدة أحداها لا تتجاوز 17 شهراً. هل هذا هو الاصلاح، أم أنه إرهاب؟ لذلك أنا أقول لك، واعترف أن هناك انتشار أمني في المناطق التي يتواجد فيها هؤلاء المسلحون”.

وعن الفيتو الروسي في مجلس الامن على قرار غربي ضد سورية ومشروع القرار الروسي, قال المعلم “نحن أولاً لا نتوقع أن يوافق الغرب على مشروع القرار الروسي, ثانياً الفيتو لم يأت فقط لمصلحة سورية، الفيتو أعطى لسورية فسحة من الوقت لكي تنفذ برنامج الاصلاحات، وروسيا أكثر دولة تضغط وتطالب القيادة السورية بإنجاز الاصلاحات وبإنجاز الحوار الشامل”.

وتابع المعلم “نحن لم نستغل الفيتو الروسي بل استفدنا منه لإنجاز تلك الاصلاحات دون ضغوط خارجية، إذا هناك مبدأ نتفق فيه مع روسيا هو رفض التدخل الخارجي، ورفض تدويل العقوبات الاقتصادية المفروضة على سورية لأنها تضر بمصالح المواطن السوري,و من هنا أقول أن الروس يضغطون خلال مشاوراتنا معهم اكثر من غيرهم لتنفيذ برنامج الاصلاحات والحوار الشامل”.

واوضح المعلم ان “الفيتو الروسي أعاد الحياة لمجلس الامن من خلال التوازن الذي أوجده على الساحة الدولية في منع انفراد الولايات المتحدة على الساحة الدولية، وهذا مبدأ هام, انظر عندما انفردوا بليبيا ماذا فعلوا، عندما انفردوا بالعراق، بأفغانستان ماذا فعلوا, هم في الواقع في منطقتنا تحديداً لم يتمتعوا بسياسة مستقلة ولا تخدم مصالحهم، هم ينفذون ما تطلبه منهم إسرائيل, بصراحة, وأنا خدمت في الولايات المتحدة لمدة 10 سنوات وأعلم هذه الحقيقة”.

واسقطت روسيا والصين مؤخرا مشروع قرار غربي يدين ما اسمته العنف تجاه المتظاهرين في سورية.

وتشهد عدة مدن سورية منذ 7 أشهر تظاهرات ترافقت بسقوط مئات الشهداء من المدنيين والجيش وقوى الأمن, حيث تقدر الأمم المتحدة عدد ضحايا الاحتجاجات في سورية بنحو 3 آلاف, فيما تقول مصادر رسمية سورية أن عدد ضحايا الجيش والأمن تجاوز 1100 شخص, حيث حملت هذه المصادر مسؤولية سقوط ضحايا إلى “جماعات مسلحة”.

سيريانيوز
http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=138925

http://arabic.rt.com/prg/telecast/656790

Habib,

Don’t you think that if president Assad announce the expected political reform and time table, he will have the moral standing to fight back the people that want to kill him and drag Syria toward civil war, i think he will and will have the ability to go for massive crack down to restore safety for all.

Jad,

The single party regime is dead, the question is to start the next phase and having the Army strong to secure the transition back and forth from one party to another,

Habib, in your response to Shami: “But the Shia Islamists and their Sunni Palestinian allies fight Israel, whereas non-Palestinian Sunnis do not, quite the contrary.”

Please reread your answer.

You claim to be a secular. Fine. But I will like to ask you, is your response to Shami a sectarian one, yes or no?

Looking at events in sectarian terms is not the Syrians way.

Can you deny that the majority of Syrians supported Hizbullah prior to the Syrian uprising?

This regime will not succeed in dividing us. We were, and will stay united.

We can have endless discussions, agree or disagree, but we can never allow divisions between one large family.

Bronco
Again 🙂

سوريا : السفير الامريكي يتعرض للرشق بالبيض
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تعرض موكب السفير الامريكي في سوريا ” روبرت فورد ” اليوم الجمعة، الى الرشق بالبيض والطماطم خلال تنقله في العاصمة دمشق.
وقالت قناة ” الدنيا ” التلفزيونية السورية الخاصة، إن “السفير فورد تعرض للرشق بالبيض والطماطم أثناء تواجده أمام جامع الحسن في حي الميدان في دمشق

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Someone used my name to address me!
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17. Revlonsaid:
Revlon, take it or leave it, people like him are the only chance you’ll get. You need to compromise.

That Assad doesn’t like the Muslim Brotherhood-lead faction of the opposition doesn’t mean it’s better.

ويكيليكس OTV- ولي عهد ابو ظبي: نصرالله كان يجب أن يكون ميتاً “أمس”

جاد ابو جودة- بدل أن يكون انتصار لبنان في حرب تموز 2006 مدعاة فخر واعتزاز لكل اللبنانيين والعرب، شكَّلتِ النتيجة غير المتوقعة لتلك الحرب مصدر قلق لبعض اللبنانيين ومعظم العرب، الذين نظروا إلى ما تحقق بمنظار مذهبي لا قومي، حتى وصل الأمر ببعض القادة الخليجيين حدَّ تمني الموت للأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصرالله، على ما تؤكده الحقائق المسربة عبر وثائق ويكيليكس.

الزمان: 14 أيلول 2006
المكان: ابو ظبي
رقم الوثيقة: 06ABUDHABI3632
كاتب الوثيقة: السفيرة الأميركية ميشيل سيسون
الحدث: لقاء إماراتي- أميركي حول لبنان

في لقاء بين مساعد وزيرة الخارجية الأميركية للشؤون العسكرية- السياسية جون هيلين وولي عهد إمارة ابو ظبي الأمير محمد بن زايد آل نهيان بتاريخ 11 أيلول 2006، تناول البحث بين الطرفين نتائج حرب تموز 2006، فبدا الأمير الإماراتي قلقاً لأن حزب الله ظن أنه انتصر.

وبعدما اعتبر أن الرئيس الإيراني محمود أحمدي نجاد ضائع في عصر آخر، منتقداً تصريحاته في شأن إسرائيل والمحرقة اليهودية، ومعتبراً أن لا أحد يمكن أن يتحدث هكذا في القرن الحادي والعشرين وينجو بفعلته، محمد بن زايد اعتبر أن الوضع الذي استجد في لبنان كان شيئاً منتظراًً من الجميع، إنما ليس بهذه الطريقة، على ما قالت السفيرة ميشيل سيسون.
وفي سياق الكلام على حرب تموز، قال بن زايد إن قليلين توقعوا أن يكون حزبُ الله عدائياً إلى هذه الدرجة، وأن تعاني إسرائيل هذا الكم من الفشل.
وأضافت سيسون: محمد بن زايد قال إن الإمارات العربية المتحدة لم تتقبل فكرة أن حزب الله خرج متقدماً في العملية، مضيفاً أن من السيء السماح لهم أن يعتقدوا أنهم انتصروا.

وأضافت الوثيقة: منع حزب الله من تكوين قوة عسكرية أمر أساسي قال هيلين.
وجاء في الوثيقة أيضاً: محمد بن زايد اعتبر بصراحة أنّ َالإمارات العربية المتحدة تدفع كماً كبيراً جداً من المال a hell of a lot of money لإعادة إعمار البنى التحتية، في مقابل تقدير قليل جداً من لبنان. نحن ندفع وهم يشتموننا، قال بن زايد.

وأضافت الوثيقة أن ولي عهد ابو ظبي طالب بتحسينات ملموسة خلال خمس سنوات، والعمل من فوق إلى تحت، لتبديل لبنان والاقتصاص من حزب الله.
وتطرق الكلام بين الجانبين الأميركي والإماراتي إلى الجيش اللبناني. محمد بن زايد دعا إلى إدخال مزيد من السنة والدروز في الجيش اللبناني، والتقليل من نسبة الشيعة. محمد بن زايد قال إن نسبة 40 في المئة الحالية من الشيعة يجب تقليصها إلى 15 في المئة.

وأضاف بن زايد: سوريا كانت تدعم بعناد نصرالله، الذي قال بن زايد إنه واحد من أولئك الأشخاص الذي كان يجب أن يكونوا موتى أمس قبل اليوم one of those people who should be dead yesterday.

وجاء في ختام الوثيقة: أضاف بن زايد أن من الصعب جداً إمكان القيام بحديث جدي مع الملك عبدالله.

Syria threatens the European Union to pass to rouble

On October, 21st 2011 | 17:23
Syria has declared intention to use rouble instead of euro in financial operations if the European Union insists on introduction of economic sanctions concerning Damascus. On it informs the Arabian TV channel Al-Jazeera.

The head of the Central Bank of the country Adib Majaleh has declared that the sanctions imposed by the European Union to Syria, harm to ordinary citizens of the country. Sanctions have served as the reason of devaluation of the Syrian pound in relation to foreign currencies that, in turn, has led to rise in prices and living wage level.

The draft resolution of the United Nations on Syria provides introduction of political and economic sanctions for the purpose of rendering of pressure upon the Syrian management which since March cruelly suppresses the national protests flashing on all country.

Today Alquaradawi called for the Syrian army to defect by thousands and join the ‘God loving’ FSA. Then this guy Zoughbi is telling us that they are already sending the FSA money and arms, the Syrian army must be killed and the ‘real’enemy is the Shia (Khamine and HA) one on Aljazeera and the other on AlArabiya!!

“الشيخ لؤي الزعبي أمين عام ” المؤمنون يشاركون” السلفية , كان في لقاء مع جزيل خوري عبر قناة العربية برنامج ” ستديو بيروت” .
ومما قاله :
– نحن ندعم المظاهرات في سورية بمليارات الدولارات من بداية الأحداث .
-والآن نحن ندعم ما يسمى ” الجيش السوري الحر” بالأسلحة والنقود . و بكل الطرق الممكنة .
-اعتبر أن الجيش العربي السوري هو عصبة خارجة عن القانون ويجب قتلهم على اعتبار أن الجيش السوري الحر هو من يمثل الشعب السوري ويحمي المواطنين .
-جميع المؤيدين لنظام السيد الرئيس …هم أيضا خارجين عن القانون ويجب محاسبتهم .
-ويتعبر أن العدو الحقيقي له هو الخامنئي ومن ثم حزب الله ……..”

http://www.profi-forex.us/news/entry4000002045.html
19 October 09:10 AM
Record deficit of US budget: is there any threat to investors?
US news, Washington. During the recent years US federal budget has been facing record deficit. Summing up the results of the expiring financial year, American Treasury has calculated that in 2011 the budget deficit amounted to 1 trillion 299 billion dollars. It has generally become the second worst result – it was worse only in 2009.

Percentagewise, budget deficit in the expiring year amounted to 8.7% of GDP, whereas in 2010 it amounted to 9.0 % of GDP, and in 2009 – 10.0 % of GDP. In money terms, these amount to the following: 2009 – 1 trillion 416 billion dollars, 2010 – 1 trillion 294 billion dollars, and 2011 – 1 trillion 299 billion dollars.

However, US government managed to ease the situation to some extent, as the budget deficit could have broken all anti-records – the government was expecting to face the deficit of 1 trillion 650 billion dollars during this year.

In 2011 revenues of the federal budget has amounted to 2 trillion 302 billion dollars at the expenditure of 3 trillion 601 billion dollars. To compare, in 2010 revenues of US budget amounted to 2 trillion 161 billion dollars, expenditures – to 3 trillion 455 billion dollars. Consequently, despite the fact that Washington has managed to increase profit and lower expenditures, US budget gap is record high.

At the end of previous month, while making preliminary calculations the Ways and Means Committee predicted that federal budget deficit was not supposed to exceed $1.3 trillion, which is equal to the final data.

According to the experts of Masterforex-V Academy, state expenditures are considerably influenced by unemployment benefit programs, expenditures on military department, social benefits and pension payments, large debt servicing and Medicare, and medical insurance program, which was suggested to be closed during discussing the measures to lower budget deficit.

During the first half of 2011 the USA was hit by political crisis, as a result of which the country has appeared at the point of technical default. The members of the parliament did not want to make a concession, the question of defining the maximum of the national debt, as a result, Washington could appear in the situation when it would unable to perform its debt obligations.

On the eve of announcing the technical default the government has come to the compromise with Congressmen to adopt the necessary amendments and increase the maximum of the national debt. However, political games had their results in the USA. In several months bringing in market fluctuations has lowered Washington credit rating.

Standard and Poor’s, one of the leading international credit rating agencies, has made an unprecedented step to lower US rating from the maximum of “AAA” to “АА+”. Moreover, according to “negative” predictions, the rating can further decline in the nearest future.

Банкирыиз JPMorgan Chase bankers have calculated that such rating decline will add up to hundred million dollars to the service US debt obligations.

According to the analytics of leading foreign broker FX Clearing, even when credit trust rating was at the top level, last year Washington had to pay over 400 billion dollars to service the large national debt. Rating downgrade by one step will increase expenditures by a quarter.

The country’s rating downgrade will have a negative influence on domestic market. It will result in rising credit interest rates, including mortgage, purchases of cars, servicing of credit cards, etc.

S&P has previously warned about possible downgrade of American credit rating if the government does not take effective measures to lower the national debt and the budget deficit.

As soon as the “sentence” was pronounced, Washington accused the agency in using false accounting treatment, claiming than its analytics have made a 2-trillion mistake. Moreover, the government has initiated proceedings against the agency in general and a number of its workers in particular. To be more exact, S&P has been accused of insider dealing and bank overrating on the eve of financial crisis 3 years ago.

Last week Standard & Poor’s decided to lower long-term credit rating of Spain from “АА” to one-step lower position “АА-”, followed by “negative” predictions.

International rating agencies have previously warned about rating vulnerability in the majority of countries in the Eurozone.

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Text: Aramis Den

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US prospects: depression, disintegration or prosperity?
11 October 09:59 AM

These days more and more analysts start pondering on the question: What does the future have in store for the USA – the architect of the existing global financial system? Not so long ago http://telegrafua.com/ (Kiev Telegraph) published Valery Boval’s article called “A change in the global financial system: the result of a new geopolitical world model”
Is the USA really on the verge of collapse? Has the US authorities reached the point of no return?

The USA as the global “fire starter”

Do huge external debts lead to wars? According to Mr. Boval, the USA’s external debt puts it at the crossroads. He says that the prolonged economic crisis may end up with the disintegration of the USA or with World War III. We wonder if Japan, the world’s 2nd biggest debtor, is also on the verge of disintegration (of whether it can initiate a major war)?
Further the author says that by starting a war on international terrorism the US gave powerful military alliances the right to interfere with other states’ internal affairs. This statement is true in its essence. The only thing is that it is about the only military alliance – NATO. Moreover, it should be noted that even during the “humane” times of the UN existence the USA and other powers showed little or no respect to other countries’ sovereignty (remember Grenada, Panama, Iraq). The UN either approved the aggression or was simply ignored. Consequently, the USA’s foreign policy hasn’t changed in essence since then.

The Libyan conflict: Who is to be blamed – USA of France? Valery Boval’s idea of the US aggression against Libya is questionable. The Libyan conflict seems to be a “European project” (a French or British-French one). Washington was trying to curb the ambitions of its NATO fellow-members (even refused to stay in charge of the operation, which was an unprecedented step) and seemed to be secretly supporting Kaddafi. The Arab revolutions in Egypt and Tunis may well have been initiated by Paris, which dreams of being the EU’s major external policy maker. It is not accidental that Nikolas Sarkozy insists on reanimating the old project called “The Union for the Mediterranean” (UfM), which implies gathering 43 countries from Europe and the Mediterranean Basin into an economic community (a multilateral partnership), in order to replace the pro-American “Eastern Partnership” (EaP).

Military intervention creates anti-American sentiments. It is true but public sentiments are not so influential. It is the elites’ stances that are important. Yet, they are mostly pro-American. Moreover, some ethnic groups support the US. For example, the Kosovar Albanians or the Kurds hope Washington will start a war and will help them to gain independence.

Will the US disintegrate?

According to Eugene Olkhovsky, a Canadian expert for Masterforex-V Academy, indeed, when a country with significant military potential starts experiencing major economic problems, it finds itself trying to solve a dilemma: either to disintegrate or to start a war. Another striking example is the USSR. However, it should be noted that the Afghan war didn’t help Moscow and even aggravated the internal crisis. These days there are dozens of states with inflated military budgets, both small (Israel, Armenia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Venezuela, Cuba) and large (China, Russia, India, Egypt, Iran). Most of these countries have serious economic problems. However, it doesn’t mean they are about to disintegrate or to start a war. The USA is in better position because all the above-mentioned countries indirectly help the USA to service its public debt.

Moreover, Valery Boval assumes that there are several factors that may lie behind the potential disintegration of the USA: social, national, racial etc. Well, that is ridiculous. The US is a “melting pot”, a mixture of languages, races, social classes. In essence, there is no division into poor/rich or black/white states.

Some people can wait to see the USA disintegrating, but it is a very unlikely scenario because:
· The US is not an empire
· It has land borders with only 2 states
· There is nobody to plan and sponsor the process

What next?

According to Mr. Boval, In 1980s the US abandoned the scientific-technical revolution in favor of financial activities. As a result, the US economy was almost entirely deindustrialized. Now, after decades of gross errors the Americans will have to reindustrialize their economy if they want to survive as a nation. However, Valery Boval is sure that reindustrialization will inevitably lead to a decline in the US quality of life.

Eugene Olkhovsky says it is unclear why the author arrived at such a conclusion:
· Boval says the US abandoned the STR. What about the computerization, the “Star Wars” program, the cold war?
· He says the US stopped investing in hi-tech and innovations. However, Dmitry Medvedev, President of Russia, doesn’t think so after visiting the famous Silicon Valley in California. Moreover, the president called upon the “technically advanced” Russians to follow the example of their American counterparts. And what about the famous brain drain? Does the US really attract only gifted financiers?
· He claims the industrialization of the US economy will lower the US quality of life. In Russia and China it hasn’t worsened the quality of life. Why is it possible in the US?

US Dollar prospects:

According to the Department of Masterforex-V trading system , the USD index keeps forming an upward retracement.
Until the MF pivot and sloping channel around 1.7210 (as shown below) are broken, the price can form wave b(C ) of Weekly, which will be followed by a strong downswing – wave c(C ) of Weekly. In this case 1.5534 will be the closest level of support. Once the mentioned MF pivot and sloping channel are broken, the price will initiate a potentially reversal upswing – wave A. In this case a bullish FZR will be needed to start a major rally.
http://www.profi-forex.us/system/user_files/Images/News/10-2011/071011/resized/kurs_dollara_1879672480.jpg

How dialogue could take place with this.

Congrats to the people in Yemen. UNSC approved resolution to condemn Ali A Saleh. His fall is imminent.

The Russian Jewish writer as specialist in knowledge of Kabala Mikhail Laitman says:
War from the midlle East will move to the world
The termination of buying up of a debt of the USA by the whole world conducts to wreck of their pyramid. An exit from these deadlock USA see in an unbinding of new war, against which their problem will seem trifles.
Without the consent of the USA Palestin would not bring an attention to the question on the recognition. And the USA already speak about necessity to Israel to return to borders of 1967. Because Yovojna in the midlle East is necessary to America further to broadcast instability to borders of all geopolitical contenders: China, Russia, Europe.
In the middle of the XX-th century Anglo-Saxons for the sake of a war unbinding after which the dollar became the main reserve currency, have handed over to Hitler the European allies and have shut eyes to all nazi atrocities. Today Americans and British do by a striking power of new war Islamic fundamentalism. From here their direct help to “Brothers-Moslems” for change of secular modes on Islamic in the Near East.
The USA have at once handed over the friends and partners that on change by it different forms of “al Kaide” have come. Каддафи for them is worse than Islamic extremists. The USA do not straighten out Turkey which has ungirdled concerning Israel.
Heads and citizens of Israel need to acquire carefully who tries to substitute them once again under blow, doing the momentary problems of preservation of world supremacy.
As well Iran tries to ride out a wave which was caused by States.
Weakness of Europe and its solidity is split by States, their reputation is undermined – and it is all on a hand of the USA. Libya disintegration on a part waits, after all the USA in Libya the base for “al Kaide”, whence fundamentalism is necessary, the terrorism and chaos will creep away on all region, the platform for arms supplies for war with Israel is necessary.
On turn of the USA wish to lead power radicals in Syria. Syria a rigid hand has strangled the first stage of mutiny. Resist Syria can, only if will burn out attempts to blow up a situation.
Chaos and radicalism, having arisen in the Near East and having pumped up muscles on Israel, will move further. The USA leave Afghanistan – Talibs and other radicals there will come. They will move to make Islamic revolutions in Pakistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kirghizia and Kazakhstan. It is direct threat of safety of Russia and China.
Remark: to Resist to the USA and radicals it is possible only aspiration to a unification, other forces at anybody are not present, including at Russia. But the accelerated development of the world to глобальности and general dependence, will upset plans and will weaken all who goes against a tendency of the nature to the uniform world. To leave to nobody from the general guarantee, from performance of the law of balance of the nature. Egoism has finished the individual development and has begun the connection (coupling) in uniform system – all people will find out themselves connected, as gear castors in the uniform mechanism. In that case, wishing to go against uniform movement, causes on itself general return reaction, force of huge sufferings which will correct it and will make similar to the nature.

Something really fishy is going on in Libya. Did not NATO murderers said that they captured Saif and this is the second time they made this capture supposedly? Did not they say earlier last night that he lost an arm, now they are saying he is not captured. Tell me NATO is not behind him to get him safely to finds out where is all the gold and hidden accounts are.

80# Jad

Thanks, I enjoy very much that.
I hope they were rotten eggs and tomatoes, he deserves even worse, next time … I also know he will croak in his Facebook diary about the lack of civility of the people of Damascus compared to Hama.

SNP #90

He may have been torturing him to give the information they want.
Maybe he died, so they now deny they caught him.

NATO, France, the UK ,the US and Qatar bear the whole responsibility of the lynching of Qaddafi and the harm done to his sons and his family. Is this the rule of law they are calling for?

It is not a no-fly zone but a no-mercy zone.

Thanks Jad. I think Louay meant to say that he will continue working on ending “the oppressive regime” … this is one aspect of the larger regime that governs Syria.

I like dMouallem’s interview that you posted in general. But I don’t understand why does the national dialogue conference have to wait six months …

Actually I think I do understand, but that could imply serious possibility of bad news in the coming few months …

Saleh will be gone, but the Salafi citizens will get the power. Fools don’t realize, we’re all for Salafi citizen democracy, just like the Righteous Caliphates.

Btw did any of you see the video I posted of Mufti Hassoun’s khutba, it is now apparent he is a closet Shia as he does not consider Amir Muawiyah as the rightful Amir-ul-Mumineen. Just spread the news, why are people not interested in this peice of news ? A Sunni Imam does not recognise Muawiya, how can he be Sunni ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LoMnUlXCMo

Clearly, Hassoun is insulting Muwaiyah, According to Sunni scholars like Dr. Zakir Naik, we should not curse even Yazeed. How dare Mufti Hassoun criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen Muawiyah ?

@ 88 Tara:

That means the one against our clown is coming soon.

Bronco

I do not know what the correct answer but I read you response in # 66 and wonder if it is a fair comparison. Has the ruthlessness of Quaddafi and the Assads ( current and the late one) been precedented in the recent history? From the Soviet union to Iran to Tunesia to India. Were there 20,000-30,000 people massacred in one military excursion? Do you really truly believe that someone like Quaddafi who was prepping Seif al Islam to take over would’ve ever been toppled in a non-violent way?

Btw, being silly is my escape mechanism from all this ugliness…. Dark blue looked great. I wish I can show it to you.

Therefore don’t come back to me saying oh Tara, my only concern is about Syria….I do not have the slightest doubt… No need to be emphatic about it. It is obvious that you hate the color blue.

Here is an interesting interview with Syrian Salafi leader. Worth watching (and ignoring his delusional claim that most Syrian Sunnis are Salafis).

@92 Zoo

Thay may be it. Good thinking.

Dear Alex,
The title of Syria-News is not correct this is why I linked the original interview which is:
وليد المعلم: المدة المقررة للاصلاحات لاتتجاوز ستة اشهر
He state clearly that the reforms wont take more than 6 months to be implemented and not the national dialogue conference, actually Moualen a day earlier said: التحضيرات جارية لعقد مؤتمر حوار وطني ومؤتمر اقتصادي لمواجهة العقوبات
Please listen to the original interview.

Haytham

The excitement is building slowly but surely. From Tunis to Egypyt to Lybia, and now Yamen…..Something tells me that the Assad clown will be dealing with a major setback before December. Also, have you watched the demonstrations today? They gave me goose bumps….I was never as proud to be a Syrian!

التحضيرات جارية لعقد مؤتمر حوار وطني ومؤتمر اقتصادي لمواجهة العقوبات

This conference suppose to be held in a month or so, he said to the Russian. Where is SNP invitation Muallem? Are not you the minister of Expats as well?

Majedkhaldoun

Thanks. I like Muhamad Abdullah too and think he has lots of charisma but why not Ghalioun?

Bronco 🙂

انتبه حضرة السفير دائم الحركة.. سورية الرابعة بانتاج البيض …

فوجئ اهالي الميدان والمصلون الخارجون من جامع الحسن بالسفير الاميركي روبرت فورد في الشارع … وكردة فعل طبيعية قاموا برشقه بالبيض والبندورة تعبيرا عن غضبهم لوجوده في حييهم .وهذه هي المرة الخامسة التي يتعرض فيها السفير الأمريكي فورد إلى الطرد والرشق بالبندورة والبيض تعبيراً عن رفض السوريين لوجوده بينهم، وكرد فعل على رفضهم للتدخل الخارجي بالشؤون السورية الداخلية، حيث تعرض فورد للطرد والرشق بالبيض والبندورة أثناء زيارته لمعلولا بريف دمشق ولكنيسة الصليب المقدس بدمشق، وأثناء تواجده في إحدى المرات مقابل فندق الشام بدمشق، ومرة أثناء تواجده بشارع النصر في زيارة لمكتب المحامي حسن عبد العظيم.تعلق مصادر مطلعة على تحركات فورد بقولها انه للأسف يصر فورد على الخروج عن الأعراف الدبلوماسية ويقحم نفسه في صميم المشاكل الداخلية لسورية ويقدم الآراء التي تحمل في طياتها مضموناً تحريضياً صرفاً سائراً على خطا نظير له خدم في دولة مجاورة لدرجة ان احد المحللين الغربيين اطلق عليه لقب منظر المعارضة وفي هذا يستند على تحركاته في الشارع للتحريض ولقاءاته مع بعض المعارضين ولاشك ان تحركاته تهدف الى التحريض بغية تصعيد الأوضاع بعد أن بدأت الأمور في سورية تعود إلى وضعها الطبيعي والدليل على ذلك تبشيره في تصريحاته لمجلة التايم مؤخرا بأن مشكلة العنف من جانب المحتجين السوريين ستتفاقم إذا استمرت الدولة بمواجهتهم حسب زعمه رغم اعترافه أخيراً بوجود مسلحين بينهم ولكن وفقاً لما يخدم الأجندة التي يعمل عليها.فورد الذي يقول انه لايجلس في مكتبه بل يعمل بشكل دائم الحركة في الشارع السوري … ليس عليه فقط ان ينتبه الى ان الشعب السوري يحتج على تحركاته ويرفض مايقوم بل عليه ان يتفهم امرين الاول ان يغير تصريحاته ويعلن التزامه مكتبه ضمن الاعراف الدبلوماسية والثاني الانتباه الى ان سورية هي البلد الرابع في انتاج البيض والثاني بالبندورة

It is so ironic that Qaddafi called the honorable people of Lybia rats yet he was found hiding in a sewer pipe. Bashar al Assad: There is a lesson to learn!

اعدام القذافي ومهمة الناتو
عبد الباري عطوان
2011-10-21

تزايدت الأدلة والبراهين التي تؤكد وجود اتفاق مسبق بين انصار المجلس الوطني الليبي الانتقالي، وقادة دول حلف الناتو، على تصفية العقيد معمر القذافي وابنائه والمقربين منه جسدياً، وعدم اعتقالهم أحياء، لتجنب تقديمهم الى محاكمات عادلة، يمكن ان تؤدي الى كشف أسرار وملفات لا يريد هؤلاء ان تظهر الى العلن، خاصة تلك المتعلقة بتعاون أجهزة الأمن الغربية مع النظام السابق، في قمع وتعذيب واغتيال شخصيات ليبية معارضة.
الصورة لا تكذب، خاصة اذا كانت تسجيلاً حياً، وشاهدنا أشرطة بثتها قنوات فضائية تظهر الزعيم الليبي السابق وهو يسير على قدميه، ويستعطف معتقليه الرحمة به، وعدم قتله، مثلما شاهدنا صوراً حية لابنه المعتصم وهو ملقى على الأرض يحرك يديه ولا نقطة دم واحدة على جسمه، ثم في صور اخرى وقد تحول الى جثة هامدة، وثقب كبير بين صدره وعنقه، قال الطبيب الشرعي الذي فحص جثمانه انه نتيجة عملية قتل بسلاح ثقيل، وأكد انه جرى اعدامه بعد اعدام والده برصاصة في الرأس. والشيء نفسه حصل للواء ابو بكر يونس جابر وزير الدفاع.
السيدة صفية فركاش ارملة المرحوم تقدمت بطلب رسمي الى الامم المتحدة للتحقيق في ظروف اعدامه، واعلن مكتب الامم المتحدة لحقوق الانسان عن عزمه اجراء تحقيق في مقتل الزعيم الليبي بعد اعتقاله حياً.
اللافت ان جميع قادة المجتمع الغربي الحر الذين لم يتوقفوا عن القاء محاضرات علينا حول كيفية احترام حقوق الانسان، وتطبيق حكم القانون، لم يعترضوا على عملية الاعدام هذه بل باركوها. وعلينا ان نتخيل كيف سيكون موقف هؤلاء لو ان حركة المقاومة الاسلامية ‘حماس’ قد اعدمت الجندي الاسرائيلي غلعاد شليط ومثلت بجثته، وسحلته في شوارع قطاع غزة.
نعم معمر القذافي كان مجرماً دموياً، نكّل بأفراد شعبه، وحرمهم من ابسط سبل العيش الكريم، وهم اناس احرار، شرفاء، سمتهم التواضع والكرم وعزة النفس ويرضون بأقل القليل، ولكن هذا لا يعني ان يعامل بالطريقة التي كان يعامل فيها خصومه ومعارضيه الذين يطالبون بالقضاء العادل واحترام الحد الادنى من مبادئ حقوق الانسان وقيمها.
شخصياً اصبت بصدمة وانا أرى بعض العناصر التابعة للمجلس الوطني الانتقالي تنهال ضرباً وبالأحذية على رأس رجل جريح، وتجره على الأرض، وتضاعفت هذه الصدمة عندما جرى عرض جثمانه وولده المعتصم في حاوية قذرة في مصراتة امام المارة، وكأن لا حرمة للموت.
يجادل البعض من المسؤولين في ليبيا ‘الجديدة’ ان قتله يعفي من اجراءات قضائية معقدة، قد تطول وتؤثر سلباً على العملية الانتقالية، وبناء مؤسسات الدولة، ولكن هذا الجدل واصحابه ينسون انهم يريدون ان تكون هذه المؤسسات ديمقراطية، اساسها العدالة وحقوق الانسان والحكم الرشيد. ولا نعتقد ان عمليات الاعدام للزعيم الليبي الراحل ورجاله تستقيم مع هذه التطلعات.
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شككنا منذ البداية في نوايا حلف الناتو وتدخله في ليبيا، ليس لأننا ضد حماية ابناء الشعب الليبي من مجازر القذافي ورجاله، فهذه مهمة سامية نؤيدها بقوة، وانما لأننا ندرك ان هذا التدخل يأتي لأسباب اخرى غير انسانية، واستعمارية في الاساس.
أليس غريباً ان تستمر عمليات حلف الناتو وغاراته لما بعد سقوط طرابلس العاصمة، وانهيار نظام العقيد القذافي، ولجوء حفنة من انصاره الى مدينتي سرت وبني وليد، وذلك تحت ذريعة حماية المدنيين الليبيين.. اي مدنيين يتحدث عنهم هؤلاء، فهل الذين كانت تقصفهم طائرات حلف الناتو في المدينتين هم من انصار المجلس الوطني الانتقالي، او المعارضين لنظام الطاغية؟
لم يكن من قبيل الصدفة ان يعلن حلف الناتو وقادته، انتهاء مهمتهم في ليبيا بعد اقل من 24 ساعة من مقتل الزعيم الليبي ونجله ووزير دفاعه، فمهمة الناتو لم تكن في الاساس لحماية المدنيين، فهذه ذريعة، ولا تغيير النظام، واما قتل رأس النظام ايضاً.
بإعدام العقيد القذافي بالطريقة الدموية التي شاهدنا، وشاهدها معنا العالم بأسره، تكون ليبيا طوت صفحة سوداء في تاريخها ، ولكن المأمول ان تكون الصفحة الجديدة التي تنوي فتحها اكثر بياضاً، عنوانها التسامح والترفع عن النزعات الثأرية والانتقامية، التي لمسنا ابشع صورها في تصفية رموز النظام السابق.
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صحيح ان ليبيا تملك المال، بل الكثير منه، حيث هناك اكثر من 160 مليار دولار مجمدة أودعها النظام السابق في حسابات اوروبية وامريكية، ودخل سنوي من عوائد النفط في حدود 50 مليار دولار سنوياً، والمال ربما يسهل، بل يعجل بحل الكثير من المشاكل، ولكن يظل سلاح المال هذا قاصراً وغير فاعل اذا لم يتم ترميم الوحدة الوطنية بسرعة، وتحقيق المصالحة، وبالتالي التعايش بين مختلف القبائل والمناطق، بروح بعيدة عن منطق المنتصر والمهزوم.
الإعلام العربي، والفضائي منه على وجه الخصوص، لعب دورا كبيرا في تزوير الكثير من الحقائق، وخرج عن المهنية مرات عديدة، وهذا لا يعني ان الاعلام الغربي كان افضل حالا، وقد آن الأوان لكي يكفر هذا الاعلام عن اخطائه ،ويعمل من اجل الحفاظ على وحدة ليبيا الترابية ، وتعزيز أواصر التلاحم بين ابناء شعبها الواحد.
نخشى على ليبيا من التقسيم والتفتيت، مثلما نخشى عليها من عدم الاستقرار، والغرق في حروب داخلية، حتى بعد إعدام العقيد القذافي،وهناك العديد من المؤشرات التي تعزز هذه المخاوف، حيث فوضى السلاح والخلافات بين الليبراليين والاسلامييين، والمشارقة والمغاربة، وهي مخاوف عبّر عنها قادة في نظام الحكم الانتقالي الجديد انفسهم.
العقيد القذافي لم يجد أحداً يتعاطف معه، واذا كان هناك من متعاطفين في الداخل والخارج فهم قله خجولة، لا تجرؤ على اظهار تعاطفها، لان سجل الرجل الدموي لم يكسبه الكثير من الاصدقاء، والمأمول ان يكون حكام ليبيا الجدد عكسه تماماً، وان لا تحركهم الاحقاد والثارات، وان كنا حذرين جداً في الاغراق في التفاؤل، بعد ان شاهدنا عدالة الخارجين عن القانون تطبق ضد من يختلفون معهم، وهم في ابشع لحظات ضعفهم وانهيارهم.

Ila al abad arrogants are more likely to have the end of Gaddafi ,is that possible for the makhlouf-assad-shaleesh and co to end otherwise ?

Tara asked
but why not Ghalioun?
If Bashar goes there ,then yes Burhan Ghalioun must go.

Majedkhaldoun

Makes sense.

The funniest slogan during the demonstration today was:

قذافي يغني لبشار أنا بانتظارك ملّيت

Lebanon tenure at UNSC will end tonight, Morraco is there.

It turn out Gaddafi had a wig

Syria expat,

You owe me an apology, I was right and there was no need to ALEDGE , Don’t you think?

France new position
أعرب آلان جوبيه وزير الخارجية الفرنسي الجمعة 21/10/2011، عن أمله في أن تتمكن الجامعة العربية من عقد طاولة حوار تضم الحكومة السورية والمعارضة لإيجاد حل للخروج من الأزمة.
وأشار جوبيه أثناء مؤتمر صحفي عقده الجمعة مع نظيره الهندي سومنهالي كريشنا في دلهي إلى أنه على الرغم من فشل مجلس الأمن الدولي في استصدار قرار يدين أعمال العنف في سورية، إلا أن فرنسا تحاول التوصل إلى حل سلمي وتعمل على فتح حوار مع الهند بشأن الأزمة في سورية، رغم تباين وجهات النظر بين البلدين لإيجاد حل للنزاع.
وكانت الهند احد الأعضاء العشرة غير الدائمين في مجلس الأمن امتنعت في الرابع من تشرين الأول، على غرار البرازيل وجنوب افريقيا، عن التصويت على قرار يدين سورية.
دي برس

Alex ,the answer of Bayanouni in an interview in 2005 was:

MA: How powerful are the Salafis inside Syria?

AB: Their influence is limited. Salafism has weak foundations in Syria, as the majority of Sunni Muslims subscribe to Sufism.

http://www.jamestown.org/programs/gta/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=551&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=180&no_cache=1

It’s also true when people get education,they are less likely to believe in supranatural beliefs such as the cult of the saints(death and alive) and miracles of the saints,which were very common beliefs in popular sufism islam,reformism can be a form of salafism,we should not forget that the reformist rational muslim scholars such as Kawakibi,Abdo,Rashid Rida ,Ali Abdelraziq were the first to be called salafis.
Most of syrian salafis are close to the quietist salafism whose important figures were damascenes of albanian origin ,such as Al Albani and Al Arnaout.
As for the jihadi salafis ,they are few in the arab world but more visible because of their spectaculous terrorist acts,these informal groups are made of young people who do not recognize any religious authority,a post modern phenomenon,they declared the war against the saudi regime,for this reason ,they are easily infiltrated by several security apparatuses ,among others the syrian mukhabarat.

Robert Ford is fully aware of the civility of the Damascenes. He knows that it is so easy for a corrupt tyranny to utilize a “rent-a-crowd” for almost anything. Attacking a diplomat, organizing a pro demonstration, worshiping Bashar’s toe, etc… They are called “rent a crowd Inc”, a registered patented Syrian trademark. Another proud Syrian invention after the Shabeehas.

كلام النظام عن تحفظه حول الحوار مع المعارضه تغير نحو مقاربه سياسيه هدفها كسب الوقت و إحراج اصحاب الحلول الثوريه و لكن عاجلا ام آجلا سوف تتضح الاوراق و سيجد الجميع انهم مضطرون لاتخاذ قرار واضح حول اي حل يريدون.الحوار الصعب لن يوقف العنف المتبادل و لكنه قد يساعد هذا الطرف او ذاك في كسب دعم السوريين و غيرهم و اضعاف الجانب الاخر. في النهايه اطلاق التصريحات و المواقف خير من اطلاق الرصاص
النظام سيرحل في كل الحالات لان اي نظام ديمقراطي او شبه ديمقراطي سينهي احتكار النظام للسلطه و يقلم اظافر الفاسدين و القطط السمان
ميشيل كيلو مصيب في تحليله اما دعاة العنف فموقفهم مصيبه
محمد عبدالله واحد من المعارضه و له الحق في الكلام و لكنه لا يمثل كل السوريين
أنا شخصيا لن أصوت او ادعم اي مرشح من المهاجرين و اصحاب الذقون و للآخرين كل الحق في فعل العكس
الديمقراطيه حذاء واسع يتسع لكل الأقدام و لن تستطيع المعارضه ان ترتدي حذاءا واحدا او ان تمشي برجل واحده
المجلس الوطني وحيدا لن يكون الا معارضه عرجاء و لا مناص من القدم الثانيه

Pity they didn’t capture the ‘civility’ of salad making for Mahatma 🙂
المواطنون يطردون السفير الأميركي من حي الميدان
http://youtu.be/0nwUTyjKgrw

Jad

Do us a favor and compare what Louai Zoughbi said in the interview Alex posted in #97 (thanks Alex) and what you stated in #84

NK
Do it yourself.

Jad

I already did, it was implied.

I hope that the good people of Syria will continue the struggle towards freedom. Ordinary people in the UK watch the situation on TV everyday and we are proud of your determination to achieve democracy and join the new politics of peace and democracy. You will be successful and we all look forward to a peaceful resolution that reflects the will of young Syrians dedicated to peace.

..Gadhafi was looks-conscious until the end
By Phoebe Connelly | The Envoy – 7 hrs ago

Thursday brought to an abrupt end the months-long hunt for Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi. But as authorities seek to piece together a timeline of his final moments, some striking reminders of his extravagant lifestyle have emerged.

The Washington Post reports Friday that when investigators performed DNA testing on Gadhafi’s body, they learned that the vainglorious strongman was wearing a wig. Interim Prime Minster Mahmoud Jibril told the Post that an autopsy team took samples of Gadhafi’s blood, saliva and hair–and soon discovered that the hair did not actually belong to the former dictator. Gadhafi’s body is now at a mosque outside of Sirte.

The former dictator was known for his vanity–in March, a Brazilian plastic surgeon came forward with an account of a four hour cosmetic procedure he’d performed on Gadhafi in 1995. “He told me that he had been in power for 25 years at that time, and that he did not want the young people of his nation to see him as an old man,” Dr. Liacyr Ribeiro told the AP. “I recommended a facelift, but he refused.” Gadhafi received hair plugs and had fat from his belly injected into his face to counteract the appearance of aging. The operation occurred in the middle of the night in Gadhafi’s compound in Tripoli. He insisted on local anesthesia, so he could remain awake during the procedure; midway through the surgery, he paused to snack on a hamburger.

Gadhafi’s hair, real or fake, was a signature. In a 2009 piece anointing the dictator a style icon, Vanity Fair said that Gadhafi’s tonsorial look betrayed the influence of wild-maned rock impresario Phil Spector. The magazine put together a slide show of the dictator’s fashions–a “homage to a sartorial genius of our time.”

NK
Good for you.

Jad

Well thank you, now care to explain to us why is it that every time you comment on something an opposition member said you use half his words and completely make up the rest ? what did the Syrian people ever do to you that you need to tarnish the reputation of those trying to stand up for their rights ?

Libyans have been dreaming of Qaddafi’s demise for over four decades. But when the day finally came, I could not help but wishing he had been captured, not killed.

The Death of a Tyrant

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/21/the_death_of_a_tyrant

The phone rang early in the morning, waking me up. My little sister was on the line, and I knew immediately from the breathless tone of her greeting what she was about to say. Qaddafi is dead. Killed in a gun battle in Sirte. I switched on Al Jazeera, rubbed my eyes, and stared silently at the screen. One by one, the congratulatory phone calls, emails, and text messages began to pour in, but I found myself in no mood to celebrate.

More… For so many Libyans, the significance of this moment is impossible to express in words, because it is the product of a particular type of lived experience — it represents the culmination of countless other moments that have lead up to this one, and which saturate it with a deep sense of history and meaning. It sounds morbid, but today was a day I had pictured over and over again in my head since I was a child, wondering how it would happen and how we would all find out, imagining my parents’ overjoyed faces in that moment of truth, along with the faces of everyone else in our community, many of whom had personally experienced dispossession, loss, torture, humiliation, imprisonment, or exile.

But I wasn’t alone in my reverie. Growing up in a tight-knit community of dissidents in the United States, political discussions were a ubiquitous feature of daily life. Even a young child’s consciousness was permeated with images of the tyrant, and the mundane aspects of everyday life were punctuated by a grand narrative of perpetual struggle. Whether at the dinner table, on weekend picnics, or on holidays, whenever Libyans in the United States got together, they talked politics. The thing was, politics in Libya meant only one thing — one man — and you could never escape him.

What happened on Oct. 20 was the realization of a dream that had long ago crossed over into the realm of fantasy. It represents something which millions of people have been waiting, even praying, for. Such an admission may not be politically correct, yet nothing about Libyan society over the past 42 years has been, frankly.

But one man’s death cannot reverse generations of trauma. There is a palpable sense of pensiveness, even mourning, surrounding this moment, not only because of the thousands of innocent people who have been killed, maimed, and traumatized over the past eight months — but also because our loved ones who passed away over the years of his rule, and who prayed and dreamed of his demise along with us, will never know the feeling of this moment.

more..

I think Louay Hussein is being a bit naif when he argues that the USA and Israel necessarily want stability in Syria. Neither of those countries has ever been reluctant to create chaos in the region. Both of those countries have their own internal political problems which predispose them to aggression, even in spite of their own national interests.

Re: Gaddafi. It’s a war. He got captured and killed by his enemies. That’s what can happen in war, and civil war is always the worst.

I’m surprised he didn’t have a cyanide capsule or hand grenade ready, to make sure he wasn’t taken alive. I suspect that he was treacherously offered secret terms for his surrender, and then betrayed. Too many people, in Libya and in the West, wouldn’t want Gaddafi to make it to The Hague in one piece, since he knows too much and is a consummate showman.

nk
Why to bother replying or explaining or even engage in any kind of discussion with someone who wrote a retarded comment like yours. It’s a waste of time and energy.
PS. Try this disgusting sneaky low techniques on someone else.
العفو منك بس هيك تعليقات ما بتغبر على صرمايتي.

Jad

Of course immediately reverting to insults, that really had quite an impact on my feelings … not.
Please dear, keep the lies coming, I’ll keep on exposing them, have a nice day.

PS. A good example of what “disgusting sneaky low techniques” really means would be misquoting people and loading their statements with lies to further one’s own agenda … exposing people who do that, not so much.

Tara

I wrote a comment with my view of what and who is a dictator then I thought that, as most of the commenters have already their mind (and emotions) set about it and I have mine, there is no point anymore in coming with arguments.
I only wait and observe the unraveling of the events, just hoping that the common Syrian living in Syria will not suffer from the ‘grand’ plans imposed on them.

Oh poor little NK was insulted….stop your whine and your accusation before you come crying that I insulted you, read what I wrote well, I was describing your comment not you which was very mild for what you wrote, besides, we both know that when you wrote your retarded comment you were looking for a fight not a discussion, this is why I ignored you.
Play another game and if you are so sensitive don’t attack people, got it dada!

The war of images – video of Syrian events, and their interpretation

http://rt.com/news/war-syria-video-comments-421/

The unrest engulfing Syria is mirrored in the internet with a PR-civil-war. While some videos show “atrocious bandits”, others opt for “atrocious army men”. And none shows what ordinary Syrians live through.

Unlike other countries of the Arab Spring, there are a lot of different videos about Syria on the internet. TV channels around the world broadcast selective videos of atrocities by armed men. At the same time, they fail to show millions of Syrians rallying to support the government. And they don’t show videos of atrocities against Syrian people.

“The atrocity of bandits in this video is a sign that the US made a misjudgment,” Anhar Kochneva, director of the Jordan Club tourism organization comments on the video. “And now they are making an attempt of intimidating. It’s not a secret that they started preparing the anti-Syrian campaigns 10 years ago. They were proceeding from their understanding of Syrian people’s hatred toward the government, but they failed to notice that the country changed. They began supporting the anti-government rallies, but they failed to notice that these rallies actually brought people together. Millions of people just recently rallied in Aleppo, which the US considered an opposition center. The US believed that Syrians themselves would overthrow and betray Bashar al-Assad, but they failed to achieve an overturn performed by Syrians. Now they send in bandits, Syrians as well as those who co-operate with Americans among them. Some who got captured had performed terrible atrocities under the influence of drugs. For many of them, the only education they ever had was several years of school.”

…

Kurbanov believes that the animosity and atrocities committed by the opposition as it can be seen from TV films is a manifestation of tribal psychology rather than of an Islamic or revolutionary one:

“In my view, there was no soil for mutual hatred in society until the very last moment. But if blood was spilled in the first protests, I assume that the crowd might easily get filled with thirst to revenge the regime and separate soldiers. Even in the capital the Arabs have preserved their tribal mentality and are ready to stand up for their people.”

Kurbanov believes that the abundance of false reels about the army atrocities has a political goal of causing chaos in the country and forcing Syria to break up its union with Iran.

“I assume that these fakes are being injected into Syrian society to accelerate the speed of the explosion. Forces that are interested in this explosion want to break up Syria’s union with Iran. They include the United States, Saudi Arabia and Sunni Jihad fighters,” Kurbanov said.

Syrian do not need foreign troops, the lesson in Libya is clear, all what we need is no fly zone ,we will arm ourself,I wsih we have arms already, every Syrian must defend Syria against this dictator , who is occupying our land, we have enough good soldiers to protect us,the majority of Syrians are against the Assad regime, Syria is small country,it will not take more than two months,Bashar calculation is that he can control the people of Syria by brutal force, once he finds out how serious we are, he will remember his friend Gaddafi,and will see him in his dream,he will have nightmares, he should see that what happen to Gaddafi will be his fate too.
AL statement says he must stop his brutal crackdown,then we will have dialogue,dialogue will take time, there has to be immidiate halt to the use of force for dialogue to start,Bashar must know that we are serious.dead serious, and dead means that he and his family will die , all of them ,if he wants to go on with his crimes,and that he can not escape.

Majedkhaldoon

A friday only no-fly zone over Homs and Idleb to protect protesters?

Bronco

Let me share something with you.  Never in my entire life I have been part of a blog or even thought I even have time in my daily life to express my opinion or hear someone else’s opinion.  Never did I even care about finding out what views others may have.  Never in my life did I think I can be a fan of anything or anyone.  I lived my life, did my things and that was that.   I was politic-less and opinion-less until it hit me.  I don’t know about you but my opinions are being influenced whether I admit it or not.  The atrocities have the potential to completely radicalize those who are affected by it and I feel that I too have been radicalized.  I spent great effort every day struggling to maintain the same mentality/outlook Tara had before March.  Some comments bring me to an extreme and some bring me back to the middle.  I am here to avoid the extreme and thinking about it right now I think lots of us are here for the same reason whether we admit it or not.

I wrote this diatribe to convince you to express your opinion and…. to perhaps even considering not hating dark blue. I know…. I usually have an ambitious agenda.

حازم نهار
عندما رأيت عناصر الأمن والشبيحة يقتحمون الجامع الأموي في بدايات الثورة ويضربون المصلين ويجرونهم في صحن الجامع شعرت أن هناك من يضع حذاءه النجس على رقبتي وشعرت بالاختناق ولم أستطع أن أخفي دموعي، ولمح في ذاكرتي طيف عبد الملك بن مروان…..وعندما سمعت أن صديقي جورج صبرة اعتقل بطريقة تماثل سلوك العصابات شعرت بغصة….وعندما سمعت أن محامي السويداء تعرضوا للضرب أثناء اعتصامهم شعرت بإهانة لسوريتي….وعندما عرفت أن أهل السلمية احتضنوا أهل حماة وشاركوهم بيوتهم فرحت من أعماقي….الجامع والكنيسة وكل ذرة رمل في سورية تعنيني…وكل سوري هو شريكي وأنا شريكه في الوطن والوطنية….أعتقد أن هذه هي الروح التي أمدتني بها الثورة السورية.

الصين مستعدة للتعاون مع روسيا في مسائل الأمن الاستراتيجي

(دي برس)
أعلنت الصين الجمعة21/10/2011 عن استعدادها للتعاون مع روسيا في مسائل الأمن الإستراتيجي، وزيادة التنسيق بشأن القضايا الإقليمية والدولية.

ونقلت وكالة أنباء الصين الجديدة “شينخوا” عن بيان لوزارة الخارجية أن نائب الرئيس “شي جينبينغ” التقى مع أمين عام مجلس الأمن القومي الروسي، “نيكولاي باتروشيف” في بيجينغ، وشدد على أن بلاده ستعمل بشكل وثيق أكثر مع موسكو لتعزيز التواصل والتنسيق في مسائل إقليمية ودولية.

وأثنى “شي”، حسبما ذكرت وكالة “يو بي أي” نقلاً عن “شينخوا” على مساهمة المحادثات الإستراتيجية الصينية –الروسية، في تعزيز الثقة السياسية المتبادلة والتنسيق الاستراتيجي، داعياً إلى تعزيز التنسيق الاستراتيجي بين البلدين في محاولة لحماية المصالح المشتركة بشكل أفضل وتعزيز السلام والاستقرار في العالم.

وأشار إلى التحول الهام والعميق في الوضع الدولي، وقال إن الدولتين تواجهان فرصا وتحديات للحفاظ على بيئة آمنة من الناحية الإستراتيجية لتنميتهما الخاصة.

ولفت المسؤول الصيني إلى أن بلاده تقدّم دائماً علاقاتها مع روسيا ضمن أولوياتها في سياستها الخارجية، معبراً عن الاستعداد لبذل جهود محددة مع موسكو للدفع قدما في التعاون الثنائي بما يتعلق بمجالات السياسة والطاقة والاقتصاد والعلوم والتكنولوجيا.

بدوره قال المسؤول الروسي إن بلاده راضية عن التطور الحاصل بالعلاقات الثنائية مع بيجينغ، مقترحاً أن يعزز الطرفان التواصل الاستراتيجي بينهما والثقة المتبادلة والتنسيق القوي في المنظمات المتعددة الأطراف مثل الأمم المتحدة ومنظمة “شنغهاي” للتعاون.

وتأتي زيارة “باتروشيف” لبيجينغ من اجل المشاركة في ترؤس الدورة السادسة للمحادثات الإستراتيجية الأمنية الصينية –الروسية التي أطلقها رئيسا البلدين في العام 2005.

المصدر: http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?articleid=100661#ixzz1bTDm4NaL

Jad

If I wanted a fight I would have called you a liar right away, instead in the first comment I merely pointed out that what you said and what the guy actually did say did not match (they didn’t even come close), You choose to write a childish response. Still in the second comment I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you insisted. And since this is not the first time you’ve done this, I think you deserve what I wrote in my other comments and then some.

Did you or did you not add things that Zoughbi never said to make him look like a terrorist ?
Did you or did you not misquote Qadamani and twisted it around to make it appear as if the SNC is trying to make NATO invade Syria ?
Did you or did you not twist around what Maleh said a few days ago to make it sound as if he was asking NATO to invade Syria ?
Do you or do you not post every story posted on H.N.N ( a page created by Ammar Ismail who was caught and exposed way too many times fabricating stories about the events in Syria ) and reported it here as fact ?

I’m not asking you to support any group, not asking you to change your opinion about anyone or anything. I’m just asking you not to make things up and to check your stories before posting them, I don’t think I’m asking too much here.

Tara

Question: Where do you see Bashar Al Assad?

A “benevolent” dictator like Sadat, Franco, Ataturk, Chavez, Castro or Tito
or a self-centered and corrupted dictator like Saddam Hossein, Mobarak, Ben Ali, Shah Iran or Pol Pot.

“Benevolent dictator” is a term used in Wikipedia to describe an authoritarian figure that has many attributes of a dictator but is perceived as genuinely caring for his people and his country.

Waad Shurbaji
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ﺣﺼﻠﺖ ﻓﻲ ﺣﻤﺺ ﺧﻼﻝ ﺍﻻﺳﺒﻮﻉ ﺍﻟﻤﺎﺿﻲ..ﻗﺮﺭﺕ
ﺗﻨﺴﻴﻘﻴﺎﺕ ﺣﻤﺺ ﺍﺿﺮﺍﺏ ﻛﺎﻣﻞ ﻏﺪﺍ ﺍﻟﺴﺒﺖ ﻭ ﻋﺪﻡ
ﻓﺘﺢ ﺍﻟﻤﺤﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﺘﺠﺎﺭﻳﺔ..ﻳﺮﺟﻰ ﺍﻟﻨﺸﺮ ﻭ ﻟﻜﻢ ﺍﻟﺸﻜﺮ
ﻋﺎﺷﺖ ﺣﻤﺺ ﻭ ﺳﻮﺭﻳﺎ ﺣﺮﺓ…22/10/2011ﺍﻟﻮﺍﻗﻊ
ﻳﻮﻡ ﺍﻟﺴﺒﺖ..ﺃﻗﻞ ﻣﺎ ﻳﻤﻜﻦ ﺃﻥ ﻧﻘﺪﻣﻪ ﻟﺪﻣﺎﺀ ﺷﻬﺪﺍﺋﻨﺎ

NK,
You still have the same annoying habit that you can’t take it that someone ignores you, you still have this weird thing that you must have the last word even if it’ll make you sound naive.
You are trying really hard to argue with me in anyway possible over news that was put on the net and I post it on SC, not even my words, just to accuse me of anything out of your narcissistic persona, before you cry again that I insulted you, here you go my answers to your very damming questions that Jad is a LIAR and Jad HATES Syrians and Jad has less morals than yours:

-Did you or did you not add things that Zoughbi never said to make him look like a terrorist ?

I didn’t it was quoting from a FB site, besides, your terrorist idol you are defending did imply of what I quote.

-Did you or did you not misquote Qadamani and twisted it around to make it appear as if the SNC is trying to make NATO invade Syria ?

I didn’t, that was in the interview she gave and I put the link, even Haytham commented on that interview writing that she is delusional, why didn’t you attack him too?

-Did you or did you not twist around what Maleh said a few days ago to make it sound as if he was asking NATO to invade Syria ?

LOLOL Are you kidding me, dude, he said that couple times already and ONLINE…he doesn’t need me to twist his words any more, his words dammed him not me.

-Do you or do you not post every story posted on H.N.N ( a page created by Ammar Ismail who was caught and exposed way too many times fabricating stories about the events in Syria ) and reported it here as fact ?
Not every story but when there is something big happening in Homs I check that site and share what is written with everybody on SC, So what? Should I take his highness NK permission of what to link? Actually most of HNN1 news they post end up to be facts and not as your friend makeup guy who spread lies about killing 230 soldiers…how come you didn’t ask him why he is posting obvious LIES? I guess he has more morals than anybody else.

-I’m just asking you not to make things up and to check your stories before posting them, I don’t think I’m asking too much here.
You need to take this mighty request to the news media not me, I’m merely linking what’s out there, so if you don’t like what you read you can easily go over it instead of trying to pretend that you are the only one who knew the truth. You don’t, nobody does.

Again, try to whine more about my reply because it exposed your tries to pick up a fight not a discussion. I know beforehand that you wont be able to sleep if you don’t write the last word..would you prove me wrong? I doubt!

@ Bronco#136

The closest similarity can be drawn be tween Bashar and Nicholas II, the last emperor of Russia. Both of them were apparently nice in personality. However, Both of them are shallow and naif. Consequently, their nice personality phase would disappear with the minimal difficulty. During difficulties, they become erratic and ruthless. Both of them are weak leader inherited the power from strong fathers. Both of them governed with patrimonial type of governance.

Contradictory image of Turkey is confusing the Arab world
Friday, October 21, 2011

While Turkey’s political system is attractive to the Arab world, it has also been a contradictory image, says Professor İbrahim Kaboğlu, who visited Tunisia three times after the Jasmine Revolution. The inconsistency on what Ankara says abroad and what it does at home confuses the Arabs who are also wary of Turkey’s intentions in the region.
Tunisians will go to the ballot box on Oct. 23 to elect a new National Constituent Assembly to prepare the country’s new charter just as a Turkish commission has been holding its first meeting to also write a new constitution. But while the former is displaying democratic maturity by electing an assembly to write its charter, Turkey’s method of creating a new charter might not lead to the desired outcome, a constitutional legal scholar has said.

“While Turkey calls for democracy in the Middle East, questions are being raised as to whether it meets the requirements of democratic governance. Arabs are aware of this inconsistency,” Professor İbrahim Kaboğlu told the Hürriyet Daily News in a recent interview, noting that Turks are sending out mixed signals to Tunisians with their recent moves.

What are your observations about Tunisia?

I saw that Tunisians preferred to share their experience with us rather than the Europeans. The Venice Commission (of the Council of Europe) was officially welcomed but, with the exception of sending experts to train election officials, long-term institutional cooperation was not established. I believe this has to do with the colonial past. They have the tendency to think, “We just gone out of the hegemony of the Europeans recently. We don’t want a constitution that will carry the mark of Europeans. We made the Jasmine Revolution by ourselves, and we can make the constitution by ourselves.”

But there was a stark difference in the perception of Turkey between my first visit and the last one that coincided with Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s visit to Tunisia. During my first visit, they felt Turkey’s support. During the last one, there was wariness.

Why?

On the one hand, Turkey is a country they sympathize with and follow carefully. But they are now questioning whether the secular system in Turkey is being eroded. I have been asked that question many times – even the head of the high authority for the Achievement of the Revolution’s Objectives, [Yadh] Ben Achour, raised this question openly during the opening of the university. They are wondering what kind of legacy this government will leave behind as far as the secular nature of the system. It’s like you have a friend who is envious of one of your positive characteristics but now wonders if you are about to lose that characteristic.

Meanwhile, the way in which the Turkish prime minister came to Tunisia as an “uninvited guest” in the framework of his tour in the Middle East has also created wariness.

What do you mean by the way the prime minister came to Tunisia?

The initial requests of the prime minister to visit Tunisia were turned down by the Tunisian authorities, who said, “Don’t come, we are a temporary government.” But he insisted on coming, and he sort of imposed his own rules. The Tunisians were struggling with their own problems, with the security forces and the army, and there was a huge influx of refugees from Libya. Then the Turkish prime minister came with a huge delegation, with his own bodyguards and specially trained dogs from Turkey to provide security despite the objection of the Tunisian side. Plus the Turkish demand to send posters of the prime minister ahead of the visit in order for them to be hung on the street – all of this seems to have created resentment. And the fact that it was within the framework of his tour of the Middle East, it led to questions as to whether Ottomanism was being revived and whether Turkey had some imperial inclinations about spreading its influence to the region in an effort to dominate it.

But when the prime minister called for a secular constitution, what kind of an effect did it have on Tunisia?

Actually, Muslim circles in Tunisia do not like the concept of secularism. In fact, they are trying to find a formula whereby they can manage to have a legal system that does not rely on religion without, however, using the concept of secularism in the constitution. Meanwhile, in the eyes of the secular circles, the discussions about secularism in Turkey weaken their hands.

But the Islamists in Tunisia have been using the Justice and Democracy Party (AKP) as an example to alleviate the concerns of the secularists.

The Islamists are saying: “We are coming in the name of Islam. But don’t be scared, look at Turkey.” On the other hand the secularists look at Turkey and they see secularism taking root in an Islamic society. But then they look to current discussions in Turkey and wonder to what degree secularism will be maintained. And while Turkey is making calls for democratic regimes to be respectful of human rights abroad, Tunisians are questioning to what degree the Turkish government is doing what a democratic regime requires. In other words, they are conscious of the inconsistency of what Turkey says outside and does inside. For Islamists, Turkey’s secularism is questionable, and for secularists, the AKP’s performance is questionable. So Turkey’s messages are confusing the Arabs. Turkey is attractive, but it has a contradictory image.

So where do all your observations lead you in the discussions of whether Turkey can be a model? What do you tell Tunisians?

Turkey has problems based on identities and religion. It has problems of balance of powers and administration. Will Turkey prepare a constitution that is confrontational or a charter that is encompassing all, endorsing the concept of constitutional citizenship, a document based on universal values, including equality? Turkey can be an inspiration if it can stabilize the secular and democratic republican model based on human rights. What counts are human rights, democracy and secularism, which are tools for human rights, including freedom of conscience.

What are your views on Turkey’s efforts to rewrite the Constitution?

Because of the method that was adopted; we will end up with constitutional changes rather than a new constitution. Our Constitution does not show the way on how to replace it. The Preparatory Constitution Commission (PCC) should first amend the 175th article of the Constitution that regulates how to change the charter; otherwise the works on the Constitution can stall at any moment. The PCC does not have a legal basis because there is no such setup in Parliament’s internal regulation.

What will happen if the Constitutional Commission says it does not recognize the workings of the PCC? The PCC has an equal number of representatives from the parties. But it is not the case with the Constitutional Commission. There should be a guarantee that the charter agreed upon by PCC will be endorsed by the Constitutional Commission. Then when it comes to the General Assembly, the leaders of all parties should endorse it. But a constitution cannot be established by 330 votes.

On one hand you have witnessed Tunisia’s efforts to produce a new constitution, and on the other hand you are following Turkey’s efforts to rewrite the charter. What do you feel when you compare the two processes?

During one-man rule in Tunisia, [Turkey] had seven elections despite their flaws. Looking from that perspective, we see that despite all the criticism we make about the first two decades of the Republic, institutionalism took root and these fundamental institutions opened the way to democracy. But Turkey’s weakness when you compare it with Tunisia is that it is having problems facing and settling accounts with its past. Tunisia is sort of trying to start from scratch while staying within a democratic framework. Also, Tunisia is one step ahead of Egypt, because those who are now in control in Tunisia said, “We are temporary,” and asked the people to elect those who will draw up the new charter. That reflects a maturity that also shows Turkey’s weakness.

For the past 20 years, Parliament was [re-elected], and we used the same methods and ended up with constitutional changes instead of a new charter. Turkish politicians insist on drawing the charter themselves instead of preparing the ground for it and leaving the job to a separate assembly elected by people solely for that purpose. This is not democratic maturity.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=contradictory-image-of-turkey-is-confusing-the-arab-world-2011-10-21

#139 Haytham

For the apparent nice personality, I agree.
Contrary to Nicholas II, who can be seen as an ‘erratic’ benevolent dictator, Bashar al Assad is not alone, he is surrounded by well grounded people like Walid Moallem, besides his family. It is unclear how positive or negative their influence plays in.
Yet, in his interviews and speeches he appears well aware of the geopolitical regional situation and determined in his opinions. He does not seem erratic and undecided at all.
Just compare Qaddafi’s or Mobarak’s speeches to Bashar’s speeches…
Compare Qaddafi’s or Mobarak’s or Ben Ali’s life style with Bashar’s…

Bronco,
It is unfortunate but the only problem that president Assad has is that he is an Alawi, Syria might lose a good man for that.

Norman

Being an Alawi has nothing to do with it, not for the vast majority of Syrians anyways, why did the people wait 11 years to rise up against him if they had a problem with Alawites ? or did they just develop this hate ?
Did you not see what I posted last night (last entry #385), even after the committee that Bashar himself formed found the guy guilty, he promoted a brigadier-general responsible for slaughtering ~100 Hamwis (on the first Friday Hama demonstrated when there was definitely no armed gangs whatsoever)

http://all4syria.info/web/archives/32847

Bashar is a good guy alright, not to his people though but rather for those who follow orders blindly, and apparently extra good to those who commit atrocities.

@ Akbar Palace

Well I appreciate your honest feed back, I might not agree with your interpretations but respect them nevertheless.
Peaceful co-existance is very achievable if both sides are willing to give the necessary sacrifices (which would be hard pill to swallow for hardliners on both sides).
By the way I was not implying you get paid to comment, I find hard to believe that anyone gets paid to comment (I don’t see the economical or political gain in that). People getting paid to blog yes that is believable, because blogging is a business (Huffington Post, Gawker, drudge,…).
I like to have discussions with people of differing views, I find I learn more that way. If that is to the displeasure of some people well c’est la vie, let them try to shut me up (and anyways I’m already labeled a salafi/Zionist/CIA agent who’s lineage traces to Genghis Khan).

Son of Damascus

لافروف: الغرب يريد تكرار السيناريو الليبي في سورية

أشار وزير الخارجية الروسي، سيرغي لافروف، يوم الجمعة، إلى أن الغرب يريد تكرار السيناريو الليبي في سورية من خلال تبني مشروع قرار غربي في مجلس الأمن يقوم على “قراءة الوضع من جانب واحد”، موضحا أن هناك أنباء لم يفندها أحد حول تهريب أسلحة إلى سورية، و”أدلة مؤكدة” حول قيام مجموعات “متطرفة” بالتسلل إلى صفوف متظاهرين مسالمين وإطلاق نار.

ونقلت قناة “روسيا اليوم” على موقعها الالكتروني، أن لافروف قال في لقاء مع وسائل إعلام روسية، إن “موقف الغرب من تطبيع الوضع في سورية يمكن أن يؤدي إلى تكرار ما حدث في ليبيا”، مضيفا أنه “قد يتسبب تبني القرار الغربي حول سورية ينطوي على تكرار السيناريو الليبي”.

ومهد قرار لمجلس الأمن الدولي في آذار الماضي بفرض حظر جوي على ليبيا وقطع امدادات الأسلحة، إلى إعطاء تفويض أممي لحلف شمال الأطلسي “الناتو” إلى التدخل في المعارك المباشرة بين قوات القذافي وقوات المجلس الانتقالي، وقصف أهداف عسكرية ومدنية يشتبه في استخدامها من قبل قوات القذافي، الأمر الذي ساهم إلى درجة كبيرة في مساعدة “الثوار” على دحر قوات القذافي والانتصار عليها في العديد من المعارك.

وأوضح لافروف أن “القرار الغربي حول سورية لا يتضمن بالفعل ترخيصا باستخدام القوة العسكرية، بغية تأمين تمرير قرارات ما في مصلحة المعارضة، وتعطى تقييمات وحيدة الجانب للوضع”، لكنه “يلقي الذنب كله على الحكومة التي يترأسها الرئيس بشار الأسد، كما يتضمن القرار مطالبة جميع البلدان بإبداء اليقظة لدى بيع الأسلحة وإجراء اتصالات عديدة أخرى مع الجانب السوري”، معتبرا أن “قصور هذا الموقف يكمن في أن التحليل يقوم على قراءة الوضع من جانب واحد”.

واستخدمت روسيا إضافة إلى الصين العضوان الدائمان في مجلس الامن، في الرابع من تشرين الاول حقهما في النقض ضد مشروع قرار للبلدان الغربية يهدد السلطات في سورية بـ “تدابير محددة الاهداف” لحمله على وقف ما تقول الدول الغربية إنه “القمع الدامي” للتظاهرات.

واقترحت روسيا من جهتها مشروع قرار يساوي بين النظام والمحتجين في التنديد بالعنف، الامر الذي رفضته الولايات المتحدة والقوى الاوروبية.

وأردف لافروف قائلا “إننا كنا منذ البداية ندين اي استخدام للقوة ضد المتظاهرين المسالمين، لكننا ندين في الوقت ذاته العناصر المتطرفة التي تمارس نشاطها في صفوف المتظاهرين المسالمين والتي تتلقى أسلحة من خارج البلاد، علما أن أي أحد لم يفند بعد الأنباء حول تهريب الأسلحة إلى سورية”.

وأضاف الوزير أن “هناك أدلة مؤكدة حول قيام تلك المجموعات المتطرفة بالتسلل إلى صفوف المتظاهرين المسالمين أو الاختفاء في صفوفهم بشن الهجمات على المباني الإدارية ومراكز الشرطة ويوقعون الخراب فيها، وقامت تلك المجموعات بقصف فرع شركتنا (ستروي ترانس غاز) في سورية”.

وتعد روسيا من أكثر الدول المؤيدة للمواقف السورية, حيث أعلنت مرارا رفضها الشديد لأي تدخل خارجي في شؤون سورية, لافتة إلى المشاريع الإصلاحية التي تم انجازها, كما اتهمت جهات خارجية بالتحريض على الأحداث التي شهدتها سورية مؤخرا، وأشار مسؤولون روس إلى أن هناك “عناصر إرهابية” بين صفوف المعارضة.

وتشهد عدة مدن سورية، منذ منتصف آذار الماضي حركة احتجاجات، رافقتها أعمال عنف وقتل، تنحي السلطات السورية باللائمة فيها على “مجموعات إرهابية مسلحة”، وتقول إنها تقف وراء أحداث عنف راح ضحيتها 1100 من عناصر الأمن والجيش، فيما تقول تقديرات الأمم المتحدة إن ضحايا الاحتجاجات في سورية وصل إلى أكثر من 3000 شخص.

سيريانيوز

http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=138946

@ Jad

Dear Jad
I try to read all your posts, you make great points in defence of Bashar.
I don’t agree with them (he is indefensible in my opinion) however you touch on a subject that is scaring a portion of the population (whether large or small) and that is the issue of Salafism and the Islamization of the opposition.
I am a suporter of the opposition however I despise religious fundamentalism in all its form (which is not solely a Muslim issue). I want Syria to be secular and free, I do believe that there are armed gangs (other than the shabeeha) that are taking advantage of the situation. However in my opinion they are not the epidemic that Syria is suffering from, but rather a by-product of the regime.
If the regime chose different tactics in the start of this conflict I think this would have blow all over.
I hope you understand that I’m not a terrorist sympathizer, I want what is best for Syria. Brandishing everyone in the opposition as such is a gross injustice, I hope you could come to understand that.

I love our country, I just don’t see Bashar as the right person to lead it and us.

Regards

Son of Damascus

Son of Damascus
Hi, one thing about me, I hate when people start a conversation without doing their homework about the person who they are interested in talking to:
-“you make great points in defence of Bashar”
Give me one comment I post that I defend Bashar then I’ll consider to have a useful discussion with you, otherwise, I’m not interested.
Regards.

By the way, in case you guys have not seen the latest addition to Assad’s reforms.
On 26/9/2011 the Syrian minister of justice Tayeer Qala Awad issued decree #1134 specifying the crimes/felonies that will prevent someone from ESTABLISHING or JOINING a political party, and here is the breakdown

http://all4syria.info/web/archives/32233
http://all4syria.info/web/archives/32421

I find the following articles quite interesting:

281 – Calling on the armed forces of a FOREIGN country to desert or disobey orders.

287 – Every Syrian who broadcast false or exaggerated news that UNDERMINE THE PRESTIGE OF THE STATE OR IT’S FINANCIAL STATUS.

307 – Every act or writing or talk that result in inciting racism or sectarianism or raise tension between different groups and sects of the nation.

328 – Being a member of a secret group/party

335 – Everyone who while in a public place, shouts, sings or moves in a way that disturbs the general peace. (see 336)
336 – Considered an acts that disturbs the general peace.
*A GROUP OF 7 WITH THE INTENT TO PROTEST A GOVERNMENT DECISION IN ORDER TO PRESSURE IT.
*ANY GROUP OF 20.

374 – EVERY PERSON WHO INSULTS THE PRESIDENT.

462 – Every person that insults a religion or a religious ritual.

Now remember those “crimes” not only prevent you from forming a party, it also prevents you from ever joining one. so all opposition figures (internal or external) were at one point charged and convicted with such crimes so that excludes them, also this excludes everyone who protested in the past 8 months, it definitely excludes everyone who ever criticized his highness, it also excludes all the Islamophobic secular wannabes, and pretty much everyone who said anything about what is really happened in Syria in the past 8 months.

So there you have it, THE REFORMS!!!

@148 you gotta be kidding, you are?

It looks like opposition knows nothing about politics:

غليون لـ«الشرق الأوسط»: أستغرب أن يذهب وفد الجامعة إلى دمشق والدم السوري ما يزال يسفك

المبادرة العربية في نظر الناشطين السوريين «مهلة للقتل».. وقيادات المعارضة تعتبر قبول دمشق استقبال الوفد مناورة لكسب الوقت

مظاهرة في عثمان – حوران أمس تطالب برحيل الأسد
بيروت: ثائر عباس
لم تجد المبادرة العربية التي أطلقها اجتماع وزراء الخارجية العرب مطلع الأسبوع الحالي قبولا من قوى المعارضة السورية على اختلاف مشاربها، إذ أجمع المعارضون على رفض الحوار مع النظام، معتبرين أن «استمرار آلة القتل» خير دليل على عقم الحوار مع هذا النظام.
لكن قبول النظام السوري استقبل وفد الجامعة العربية رغم تحفظه على رئاسة قطر لهذه اللجنة، وضع المعارضين في حالة من الإحراج جعلتهم يقترون في تصاريحهم حول المبادرة بعد أن عولوا على رفض النظام المسبق لأي مبادرة.

الشارع السوري كان أكثر جرأة في التعبير عن الانزعاج من «مهلة» الجامعة، فأطلق الناشطون اسم «شهداء المهلة» على جمعة الاحتجاج الجديدة التي نفذوها أمس لتحميل القادة العرب «المسؤولية الأدبية» عن ضحايا هذا اليوم كما قال أحد الناشطين لـ«الشرق الأوسط»، معتبرين أنها «مهلة للنظام لقتل المزيد من شعبه» كما أشاروا في كتاباتهم على «فيس بوك». مشددين على أن أعضاء الجامعة «شركاء في جرائم النظام التي يرتكبها مستفيدا من المهلة تلو المهلة والمبادرة تلو المبادرة».

أما القيادات المعارضة، فقد كانت أكثر «دبلوماسية» في ردودها، لكنها لم تكن تقل عن الناشطين تشددا، فأعلن رئيس المجلس الوطني السوري الدكتور برهان غليون لـ«الشرق الأوسط» أن المجلس الوطني «يرحب بكل الجهود لمساعدة الشعب السوري على الخروج من الأزمة ووقف آلة القتل»، لكنه استغرب «أن يقبل وفد الجامعة العربية أن يذهب إلى دمشق والدم السوري ما يزال يسقط مع عشرات الشهداء كل يوم». وطالب غليون «الجامعة العربية أن تكون جدية في ما تطلبه من النظام»، متسائلا: «هل يعقل أن يذهب الوفد واليوم فقط سقط 14 قتيلا حتى الآن (ظهر أمس).. هناك خطأ في الموضوع». واعتبر غليون أن كل كلام عن الحوار «ليس كلاما جديا ما دام النظام مستمرا في القتل». مشيرا إلى أن كل كلام من قبل النظام عن الحوار هو «مناورة ومحاولة لكسب الوقت»، ورأى أن ما يحصل يؤشر إلى وجود «خطأ ما في أداء الجامعة العربية يجب الانتباه إليه لأن ما يحصل يسيء إلى الجامعة العربية».

وكانت الجامعة العربية قد أعلنت أول من أمس، أنها تلقت موافقة الحكومة السورية على استقبال اللجنة التي شكلها مجلس الجامعة خلال اجتماعه الطارئ مؤخرا بشأن الأوضاع في سوريا يوم الأربعاء المقبل في دمشق. وقال السفير أحمد بن حلي، نائب الأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية، إن بشار الأسد أبلغ الجامعة العربية استعداده وترحيبه للقاء اللجنة الوزارية العربية التي شكلت في الاجتماع الوزاري العربي الطارئ يوم 16 أكتوبر (تشرين الأول) الحالي برئاسة رئيس الوزراء القطري الشيخ حمد بن جاسم آل جبر، والأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية الدكتور نبيل العربي، وعضوية وزراء خارجية كل من مصر والجزائر وسلطنة عمان والسودان.

أما أمين سر المؤتمر السوري للتغيير (أنطاليا) محمد كركوتي فأعلن رفض المؤتمر لمبدأ الحوار والمبادرة ككل «لأنها تقوم على حوار مع نظام فقد شرعيته وما يزال يقتل شعبه». معتبرا أن «الحوار لا يمكن أن يستقيم مع من يضع البندقية في رأسنا ولا يعترف بحقوقنا». متسائلا: «ألم يستنفد (الرئيس السوري) بشار الأسد كل المهل؟» واضعا هذا السؤال برسم العرب لأن الأسد «استنفد كل المهل ولم يلتفت إلى الآن لأي مبادرة ولم يوقف العنف على الأقل». معتبرا أن الأسد «دمر المبادرة فور إطلاقها، لكنه عاد ليستجيب إلى طلب زيارة وفد اللجنة العربية برئاسة قطر بما يوضح أنه (مزنوق) إلى حد كبير بما دفعه لقبول استقبال اللجنة». وأضاف: «أما نحن فلا يمكن أن نجلس مع هذا السفاح على الإطلاق». مشيرا إلى أن «الحوار الوحيد الممكن هو حول كيفية خروجه من السلطة بأقل خسائر ممكنة، مع عدم تقديم أي ضمانات لمستقبله. فالشعب السوري وحده يقرر الضمانات».

@148 Nk translation to English is not accurate at all. He made it sound as if it is against political opposition, when in fact is worded more against criminal activities.

Saudi Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz has died.

SNP

I did not translate word by word, please provide your translation and let’s compare, I seriously doubt it’ll be that different.

The decree is tailored so that the committee can pick and choose, and so only parties approved by the rotten regime will be allowed, and only politicians approved by our lovely mukhabarat will be allowed to participate.

As I said the cookie-cutter accusations that political prisoners were jailed for were 287, 307 and 328 to name a few, every opposition figure inside or outside the country have those on his/her criminal record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCn_Qi2UxCg
What is GLONASS?: A quick guide to the iPhone 4S’ Russian navigation system
You wouldn’t know it from reading the press releases, but Apple’s new iPhone 4S connects to the recently-completed Russian navigation system known as GLONASS. Here, we take an in-depth look at what GLONASS is, and possible reasons why Apple adopted it.

Apple surprised the tech world this week by silently adding support for the Russian satellite navigation system known as GLONASS to the feature list of its new iPhone 4S smartphone. According to the Wall Street Journal, Apple’s embrace of GLONASS could push other smartphone manufacturers to add support for the system to their handsets, as well. But what the heck is GLONASS, anyway; and why did Apple add support for it to the iPhone 4S? Let’s dig a little deeper, shall we?

What is GLONASS?

GLONASS is an acronym, which stands for Globalnaya Navigazionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema, or Global Navigation Satellite System. GLONASS is, basically, Russia’s version of GPS (Global Position System), which was built by the United States Department of Defense. Like GPS, GLONASS supplies three-dimensional (longitude, latitude and altitude) location pinpointing around the globe. GLONASS is intended to serve as an alternative to a US-operated navigation system.

Who built it?

The Soviet Union began development of GLONASS in 1976. In 1982, the Soviet government began deploying the first of 24 satellites that would make up the GLONASS “constellation.” (GPS also uses 24 satellites.) After the collapse of Russia’s economy, GLONASS development was put on hold, until Russian President Vladimir Putin revived the project in 2001. Following a number of subsequent setbacks, the full satellite constellation was finally restored on October 2 of this year.

Who can use GLONASS?

As was the case with GPS, GLONASS was originally only accessible by the military. The system was made available for public and commercial use in 2007. GPS has been available for civilian use since 1980.

How much did it cost to build GLONASS?

Between 2001 and 2011, the Russian government spent a total of 140.1 billion rubles (or about $4.7 billion) on the GLONASS project, making it the most expensive program ever undertaken by the Russian Federal Space Agency.

Is their a benefit to GLONASS over GPS?

Both have their strengths and weaknesses. While GPS is generally considered the better option on most parts of the globe, GLONASS is believed to have superior accuracy in the northern latitudes of the planet, as the system was developed to provide the best service to Russia, which extends to the highest latitudes.

Why did Apple include support for GLONASS in the iPhone 4S?

At this point, that information is not public – but, of course, some theories do exist. One is that Apple included GLONASS support in order to appease Russia’s government, which has reportedly threatened to ban the import of any phone that does not support GLONASS. Another is that Apple simply wanted to improve the location functionality of the iPhone 4S, but it is currently unclear whether it would actually do so.

Do any other smartphones include GLONASS support?

Yes. The first GLONASS-compatible handset came out in April of this year. Dubbed the MTS Glonass 945, the device features a low-resoltuion, 3.2-inch touchscreen and runs on Android 2.2 Froyo. The device has been criticized as far too expensive. Last month, Samsung began offering a free “High Fidelity Position” app for its handsets that run Windows Phone 7.5 Mango that “enhances” its navigation system by adding GLONASS support. And Nokia announced this summer that it would begin offering devices with GLONASS support in 2012.

Are there any other global navigation systems I should know about?

Yes. The European Union is currently building a similar system, known as Galileo, which is expected to be complete around 2014. And China is currently deveoping the Compass navigation system, which will use a constellation comprising of 35 satellites instead of 24. Each system will provide its region with an independently operated navigation system, which is particularly useful in times of war.

The following is an English summary of the opinion posted on Sooryoon website, and provided and linked to hereunder .

SNC’s founding mission was the provision of support for the Syrian Revolution.
As such, SNC need to issue clear policy statements that reflect their mission
1. There has been a unanimous call by the demonstrators and ground activists for the establishement of a no fly zone; SNC should oblige and act uppon their request.
2. A clear moral and political support for the Free Syrian must be communicated and sought.
3. SNC must avoid the entalgments of initiatives that fall short of the removal of the regime.

المجلس الوطني السوري وإشكاليات ينبغي حسمها

2011/10/22
رأي الموقع
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36104

بداية لا بد أن نقرر أننا كسوريين ندعم المجلس الوطني السوري بكل قوة ونعتبره ممثلنا الحقيقي والشرعي والوحيد، ونؤكد على أن هذا المجلس ربما أول سلطة سورية تحظى بالتفاف سوري عفوي وحقيقي منذ عقود ولكن هذا لا يمنع في أجواء الديمقراطية التي أشاعتها ثورة أذار الشعبية المنتفضة ضد حكم الأسد المجرم أن نتحدث عن إشكاليات تنتظر الحسم من المجلس العتيد ..
١- إشكالية الحماية الدولية والحظر الجوي التي يطالب بها المتظاهرون فسقف المجلس الوطني ينبغي أن يكون سقف الشعب الثائر المنتفض، وعلى النخب ألا تظن أنها وصية على الشعب السوري وألا يظن السياسي بعد اليوم أنه يفهم سياسة ويعرف مصالح البلاد أكثر من الشعوب، فما دامت الشعوب تريد الحماية الدولية فلا بد للمجلس ولقادته ورموزه إلا أن يكون صدى لهذا المطلب الجماهيري الشعبي في مواجهة آلة قمعية استثنائية، فهذ النظام لا يفهم إلا لغة القوة والتهديد وهذا التاريخ شاهد منذ تسليمهم لعبد الله أوجلان، والانسحاب من لبنان وغيرهما ..

٢- إشكالية الانشقاقات في الجيش السوري حيث نرى أن بعض قادة المعارضة في المجلس مترددون في دعم هذه الانشقاقات والعجيب يتحدثون بشكل مغمغم غير مفهوم، ونحن نقول إن قتل الشعب السوري بدم بارد على يد عصابات الجيش وعصابات آل أسد أهم بمليون مرة للسوريين من تشققات الجيش الذي لم يعتقد السوريون يوما أنه جيشهم وحتى الجيش نفسه يعرف ذلك ويعرف أنه جيش آل أسد وحماية النظام، وبالتالي لا بد من الانشقاق من أجل حماية الثورة ومكتسباتها ومن أجل حسم التغول الأمني قبل أن تتحول الثورة إلى مسلحة وطائفية وحرب أهلية لا سمح الله، ففي كل الثورات العالمية حين يصل الأمر إلى مأزق لا بد أن يتحرك للجيش للحسم حصل هذا في تونس ومصر ومن قبلهما أندونيسيا في القرن الماضي وكذلك الفليبيين، ولكن حين يصطف الجيش إلى جانب النظام حينها لا بد من الانشقاق ليحسم الأمر ويوقف النزيف الدموي، وإلا فالحرب الأهلية وعلى قادة المعارضة أن يختاروا بين الطريقين، أمر آخر وهو أن المنشقين لا بد من تغطية سياسية لهم وألا يظلوا منكشفين دون غطاء سياسي وإلا فهذا خطير على مستقبل الانشقاقات في الجيش وعلى بقاء النظام المجرم جاثما على صدور الشعب.

٣- الإشكالية الثالثة وهي الرد على العروض السياسية بالحوار مع النظام وكان آخرها المبادرة العربية وملاحظاتنا عليها هي أنها مبادرة لا تعني المعارضة ولا المجلس الوطني السوري كونها موجهة للنظام السوري ولذا فاللجنة العربية ستزور دمشق ولم تقل أنها ستلتقي المعارضة، وبالتالي فالمعارضة والمجلس غير معني بها، إذن على المعارضة والمجلس أن تقول للجامعة العربية بصراحة أننا غير معنيين بالمبادرة أولا وثانيا المبادرة تدعو إلى وقف العنف وسحب الجيش وهذا ما لم يتحقق بل على العكس زاد القمع والبطش السوري، بالإضافة إلى أن المبادرة تتحدث عن تحول ديمقراطي وبالتالي فالمعارضة معنية بتسلم السلطة وانتقالها من النظام إلى المعارضة والشعب، وهذا ما عنته المبادرة.
الأمر الأخير وهي نصيحة للمعارضة لا تدخلي كواليس المبادرات وكلنا نعرف ونفهم ونتابع الآن نتيجة المبادرة العربية في اليمن ومماطلة النظام اليمني أما النظام السوري فمجرم مماطل مسوف أضعاف مضاعفة للنظام اليمني ..

From the Western/EU/al Qaeda/Salifist/Jew/CIA/Saudi press:

“…Late on Friday the Gaddafi clan demanded a chance to bury the body. In a statement on a Syria-based pro-Gaddafi television station, the ousted dictator’s family asked for the bodies of Gaddafi, his son Mo’tassim and others who were killed on Thursday by fighters who overran his hometown Sirte.

“We call on the UN, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference and Amnesty International to force the [National] Transitional Council to hand over the martyrs’ bodies to our tribe in Sirte and to allow them to perform their burial ceremony in accordance with Islamic customs and rules,” the statement said…”

Jesus! Besho’s pals are asking Amnesty International to act on their behalf! These people are absolute pond scum.

The problem I have with people (Tara, it’s for you) who just focus on Qaddafi or Bashshar is that it is a quick way to avoid addressing the clue questions of the dozens of people who do accept to participate in “police regimes”. It was the same in Spain under Franco and in Argentina under Pinochet. No one was stupid enough to think that Franco and Pinochet were Darth Vadors while people below them were so much afraid that they had to do their jobs of organizing death squads, torturing, etc. By the way, the Lybian Jibril is former Minister of Justice, so nothing of this theory of creating absolute bad guys make sense. It is again part of the psyop stuff of having masses believe that reality is just like in films: the bad guy gets lynched at the end, it’s bloody but hey, it’s just a film.
It is very convenient because it keeps the people who kill hundreds in Afghanistan by pushing one button from a “shoot- and kill” video game they play in a US base somewhere in Virginia, or the kids torturing Iraqis in Abu Ghraib, or the senior officials waterboarding in Guantanamo, out of this picture.

Louai Hussain is a waste of time. He is talking as if nothing has happened over the last 8 months and Bashar does not have the blood of over 3000 Syrians on his hands – how on earth are the Syrians meant to live with this murderer on the helm ? Why now, after all that has happened we should trust Bashar who only last January was saying we are a group of retards who some how cannot live with democracy ? How can you be a leader of the Syrians and has such a low opinion of them ? Louai is talking about unifying the opposition when all he is doing is creating another splinter group. Just because he was once arrested does not make him having an opinion worth hearing. Few members of my family has been arrested, some for decades without even informing their families whether they were even alive. You don’t see Alex and co rushing to take their opinions. Louai Hussain is being implicitly promoted by the state because he somehow fits in the pseudo-secular, truly sectarian agenda that the likes of Alex are shamelessly promoting in every way possible. They know full well that the no one in Syria believes them. All this is just directed to the outside world to hide the truth of the sectarian regime. All those pseudo-seculars seem to care about is preserving the regime and then making up justifications as to why this is necessary. If you truly want change, then ask Bashar to leave first.

Some lessons are here to learn about “crony capitalism”. It’s not even that Saif al Islam Qaddafi, Jamal Mubarak, or Rami Makhluf are smart guys, it’s just about the consanguinity of the wealthy and powerful:
http://www.arabist.net/blog/2011/10/21/how-usaid-underwrote-egyptian-corruption.html

MANGO @ 154
Excellent post. Thanks for the information. I have been very concerned about one country monopolizing GPS even though it is my own country that I love. Kudos to Putin and hope that others will follow suit. You see, competition is the soul of progress. The Russians have understood that. The Europeans have had a functioning GPS system for a while, but like everything related to their space industry, including satellite observations, you have to pay to play. The US is a little different, most of the satellite data acquired by the US government, except those acquired for military and national security purposes are free of charge to the public world-wide. It is a policy that has placed NASA systems as indispensable to scientists worldwide.

OTW

is the invitation still open ?

I can’t find the post where I could click your name to join.

Thanks for the invitation.

The posted article hereunder has propted me to make the following comment:
Three different position/s on the Arab league initiative have been communicated by three different SNC offcials.
1. A welcoming official statement by the spokesman of its foreign relations committee, Mr Ridwan Ziadeh.
2. A guarded welocming note in a media interview, by its President, Mr B Ghalioun
3. Rejection by one of its members, Mr Mohammad Karkooti.

Such diversity in positions is healthy and expected while still debating an issue.

However, to continue the debate and express reservations after communicating a decision would indicate a lack of conviction on the part of the SNC members in either the fairness of the decision making process, or worse in the democratic decision making mechanism itself!

People on the street need know how and at what level of consultation within the SNC, a decision of such strategic importance was taken!

Was it taken at the level of the SNC council, its secretariat, or executive committee?

Was it by concensus or by voting and what was the result of the vote.
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غليون لـ«الشرق الأوسط»: أستغرب أن يذهب وفد الجامعة إلى دمشق والدم السوري ما يزال يسفك

2011/10/22
الشرق الأوسط
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36092
لم تجد المبادرة العربية التي أطلقها اجتماع وزراء الخارجية العرب مطلع الأسبوع الحالي قبولا من قوى المعارضة السورية على اختلاف مشاربها، إذ أجمع المعارضون على رفض الحوار مع النظام، معتبرين أن «استمرار آلة القتل» خير دليل على عقم الحوار مع هذا النظام.
لكن قبول النظام السوري استقبل وفد الجامعة العربية رغم تحفظه على رئاسة قطر لهذه اللجنة، وضع المعارضين في حالة من الإحراج جعلتهم يقترون في تصاريحهم حول المبادرة بعد أن عولوا على رفض النظام المسبق لأي مبادرة.
الشارع السوري كان أكثر جرأة في التعبير عن الانزعاج من «مهلة» الجامعة، فأطلق الناشطون اسم «شهداء المهلة» على جمعة الاحتجاج الجديدة التي نفذوها أمس لتحميل القادة العرب «المسؤولية الأدبية» عن ضحايا هذا اليوم كما قال أحد الناشطين لـ«الشرق الأوسط»، معتبرين أنها «مهلة للنظام لقتل المزيد من شعبه» كما أشاروا في كتاباتهم على «فيس بوك». مشددين على أن أعضاء الجامعة «شركاء في جرائم النظام التي يرتكبها مستفيدا من المهلة تلو المهلة والمبادرة تلو المبادرة».
أما القيادات المعارضة، فقد كانت أكثر «دبلوماسية» في ردودها، لكنها لم تكن تقل عن الناشطين تشددا، فأعلن رئيس المجلس الوطني السوري الدكتور برهان غليون لـ«الشرق الأوسط» أن المجلس الوطني «يرحب بكل الجهود لمساعدة الشعب السوري على الخروج من الأزمة ووقف آلة القتل»، لكنه استغرب «أن يقبل وفد الجامعة العربية أن يذهب إلى دمشق والدم السوري ما يزال يسقط مع عشرات الشهداء كل يوم». وطالب غليون «الجامعة العربية أن تكون جدية في ما تطلبه من النظام»، متسائلا: «هل يعقل أن يذهب الوفد واليوم فقط سقط 14 قتيلا حتى الآن (ظهر أمس).. هناك خطأ في الموضوع». واعتبر غليون أن كل كلام عن الحوار «ليس كلاما جديا ما دام النظام مستمرا في القتل». مشيرا إلى أن كل كلام من قبل النظام عن الحوار هو «مناورة ومحاولة لكسب الوقت»، ورأى أن ما يحصل يؤشر إلى وجود «خطأ ما في أداء الجامعة العربية يجب الانتباه إليه لأن ما يحصل يسيء إلى الجامعة العربية».
وكانت الجامعة العربية قد أعلنت أول من أمس، أنها تلقت موافقة الحكومة السورية على استقبال اللجنة التي شكلها مجلس الجامعة خلال اجتماعه الطارئ مؤخرا بشأن الأوضاع في سوريا يوم الأربعاء المقبل في دمشق. وقال السفير أحمد بن حلي، نائب الأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية، إن بشار الأسد أبلغ الجامعة العربية استعداده وترحيبه للقاء اللجنة الوزارية العربية التي شكلت في الاجتماع الوزاري العربي الطارئ يوم 16 أكتوبر (تشرين الأول) الحالي برئاسة رئيس الوزراء القطري الشيخ حمد بن جاسم آل جبر، والأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية الدكتور نبيل العربي، وعضوية وزراء خارجية كل من مصر والجزائر وسلطنة عمان والسودان.
أما أمين سر المؤتمر السوري للتغيير (أنطاليا) محمد كركوتي فأعلن رفض المؤتمر لمبدأ الحوار والمبادرة ككل «لأنها تقوم على حوار مع نظام فقد شرعيته وما يزال يقتل شعبه». معتبرا أن «الحوار لا يمكن أن يستقيم مع من يضع البندقية في رأسنا ولا يعترف بحقوقنا». متسائلا: «ألم يستنفد (الرئيس السوري) بشار الأسد كل المهل؟» واضعا هذا السؤال برسم العرب لأن الأسد «استنفد كل المهل ولم يلتفت إلى الآن لأي مبادرة ولم يوقف العنف على الأقل». معتبرا أن الأسد «دمر المبادرة فور إطلاقها، لكنه عاد ليستجيب إلى طلب زيارة وفد اللجنة العربية برئاسة قطر بما يوضح أنه (مزنوق) إلى حد كبير بما دفعه لقبول استقبال اللجنة». وأضاف: «أما نحن فلا يمكن أن نجلس مع هذا السفاح على الإطلاق». مشيرا إلى أن «الحوار الوحيد الممكن هو حول كيفية خروجه من السلطة بأقل خسائر ممكنة، مع عدم تقديم أي ضمانات لمستقبله. فالشعب السوري وحده يقرر الضمانات».

http://pik.tv/en/news/story/21866-russian-shipbuilders-to-enter-iranian-market-ignoring-sanctions
20 OCT 2011 10:13
RUSSIAN SHIPBUILDERS TO ENTER IRANIAN MARKET IGNORING SANCTIONS
Two large Russian shipbuilding companies, The United Shipbuilding Corporation and the Gorky Zelenodolsky Factory, are considering developing their business in Iran, which is under the international sanctions, according to Kommersant.

According to the newspaper, companies are interested in building transport and production ships to develop offshore gas deposits in the Caspian Sea.

“Russia has informed Iran of the two companies’ readiness to construct transport and production ships and marine equipment, as well as to ensure the delivery of Russian marine mechanical engineering equipment needed to develop offshore gas and oil deposits in Iran,” the Russian-Iranian Commission on Trade Cooperation said, as cited by Kommersant.

21 OCT 2011 12:05
RUSSIA INTRODUCES NEW SUBMARINE-LAUNCHED NUCLEAR MISSILE
The Russian Navy will soon be outfitted with new “Liner” missiles, Interfax reported October 21, citing Russian Makeyev State Missile Center (MSMC) Director Vladimir Degtyarev.

“An inter-departmental commission is working on it now, and then we will pass the missile system to the Russian Navy,” Degtyarev said.

According to Interfax, at a meeting with the MSMC staff, Degtyarev said that the missile was successfully tested May 20 and September 29 this year.

Previously it was reported that the strategic submarines of the Russian Northern Fleet, the Dolphin project, will be equipped with the “Liner” missiles, along with modernized “Sineva” missiles, which would allow the Russian north-western submarine group to maintain a high level of military preparedness at least until the year of 2030.

The “Liner” missile can be equipped with a block of eight to ten warheads that the Russian Navy claims could evade NATO missile interceptors.

MOHAMMAD
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Mina has offered me a couple of kind corrections much earlier in the year, so I hope my corrections are taken in the same spirit. At 157 Mina said:

The problem I have with people (Tara, it’s for you) who just focus on Qaddafi or Bashshar is that it is a quick way to avoid addressing the clue questions of the dozens of people who do accept to participate in “police regimes”.

The English idiomatic expression is ‘key questions,’ not ‘clue questions,’ which is gibberish.

By the way, the Lybian Jibril is former Minister of Justice, so nothing of this theory of creating absolute bad guys make sense. It is again part of the psyop stuff of having masses believe that reality is just like in films: the bad guy gets lynched at the end, it’s bloody but hey, it’s just a film.

You have mixed up two different people, Jalil and Jibril. Jibril was not a Minister of Justice. Give us an update to your instructions to Tara once you have confirmed your mistake.

To NK at 146, you just saved me many hours of work. Thank you for what I think is the most important comment in this thread. Where would that numbered decree from August have been published? have you found the offical version of this decree anywhere?

To SNP at 151, the grim reality of the Syria Penal Code is obvious in Arabic and English. We do not need the obscure and unpublicized decree noted by NK to understand that existing provisions of the code negate or outweigh any guarantees found elsewhere, be they in the Constitution or in recently decreed legislation such as the Law of Media, Parties and Elections. I must ask you: what actual attempts have you made to turn the SNP into a legal entity in Syria? Can you tell us a few facts about your party (which at the present time is illegal)?

SNP, it might interest you greatly to read this exacting report on the most recent trial of Haythem Malleh:

http://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/OBS_Syria_TrialObservation_Report_eng.pdf

Mina, with regard to your reference to Chile, are you familiar with the ‘Rettig Report’ or the work of the Comisión Nacional de Verdad y Reconciliación?

Syrians at home and in exile may learn of Chile’s Comisión Nacional de Verdad y Reconciliación at http://www.ddhh.gov.cl/ddhh_rettig.html

Dear Revlon @155:

The SNC does not have a genie whom the SNC can ask to do and the genie will do.

First, regarding any international action what ever it is the SNC needs the international community and the international community needs the security council. With the language that you are putting in your post, Russia and China will send you play away.

Second, The gulf countries in the last AL meeting tried to suspend the regime, but they couldn’t. Consequently, they resorted to plan B. You can’t say flatly we do not accept it. They are not at your order. You order and they will do. As you know, we call kids who behave like this spoiled brats. Also, when big people behave like this, we call them arrogant entitled. Ghalioun’s attitude as stated in #166 is the appropriate attitude.

Third, regarding the FSA, defections are good. However, “what to do after defection” this is the question. Leaving like this among the population is not a solution.

For those who think it is about ‘freedom’ and toppling a dictator.

The ‘great game’ in Syria
By Alastair Crooke, Oct 22, 2011

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MJ22Ak01.html#.TqFqGuDRsv4.blogger

This summer, a senior Saudi official told John Hannah [1], former United States vice president Dick Cheney’s former chief-of-staff, that from the outset of the Syrian upheaval in March, the king has believed that regime change in Syria would be highly beneficial to Saudi interests: “The king knows that other than the collapse of the Islamic Republic itself, nothing would weaken Iran more than losing Syria,” said the official.

This is today’s “great game”: the formula for playing it has changed; the US-instigated “color” revolutions in the former Soviet republics have given way to a bloodier, and more multi-layered process today, but the underlying psychology remains unchanged.

The huge technical requirements of mounting such a complex

game in Syria are indeed prodigious: but in focussing so closely on technique and on coordinating diverse interests, inevitably something important may recede from view, too.

Europeans and Americans and certain Gulf states may see the Syria game as the logical successor to the supposedly successful Libya “game” in remaking the Middle East, but the very tools that are being used on their behalf are highly combustible and may yet return to haunt them – as was experienced in the wake of the 1980s “victory” in Afghanistan.

It will not be for the first time that Western interests sought to use others for their ends, only to find they have instead been used.

In any event, the tactics in Syria, in spite of heavy investment, seem to be failing. Yet Western strategy, in response to the continuing cascade of new events in the region, remains curiously static, grounded in gaming the awakening and tied ultimately to the fragile thread connecting an 88-year-old king to life.

There seems to be little thought about the strategic landscape when, and as, that thread snaps. We may yet see the prevailing calculus turned inside out: nobody knows. But does the West really believe that being tied into a model of Gulf monarchical legitimacy and conservatism in an era of popular disaffection to be a viable posture – even if those states do buy more Western weapons?

What then is the new anatomy of the great game? In the past, color revolutions were largely blueprinted in the offices of the political consultancies of “K” Street in Washington. But in the new format, the “technicians” attempting to shape the region [2] , hail directly from the US government: according to reports by senior official sources in the region, Jeffrey Feltman, a former ambassador in Lebanon, and presently assistant secretary of state, as chief coordinator [3], together with two former US ambassadors, Ron Schlicher and David Hale, who is also the new US Middle East Peace Envoy.

And instead of an operations center established in some phony “Friends of Syria” organization established in Washington, there is a gold-plated operations center located in Doha, financed, according to a number of sources, by big Qatari money.

The origins of the present attempt to refashion the Middle East lie with the aftermath of Israel’s failure in 2006 to seriously damage Hezbollah. In the post-conflict autopsy, Syria was spotlighted as the vulnerable lynchpin connecting Hezbollah to Iran. And it was Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia who planted the first seed: hinting to US officials that something indeed might be done about this Syria connector, but only through using the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, adding quickly in response to the predictable demurs, that managing the Syrian Brotherhood and other Islamists could safely be left to him.

John Hannah noted on ForeignPolicy.com [4] that “Bandar working without reference to US interests is clearly cause for concern; but Bandar working as a partner against a common Iranian enemy is a major strategic asset”. Bandar was co-opted.

Hypothetical planning suddenly metamorphosed into concrete action only earlier this year, after the fall of Saad Hariri’s government in Lebanon, and the overthrow of president Hosni Mubarak in Egypt: Suddenly, Israel seemed vulnerable, and a weakened Syria, enmired in troubles, held a strategic allure.

In parallel, Qatar had stepped to the fore, as Azmi Bishara, a pan-Arabist, former Israeli parliament member, expelled from the Knesset and now established in Doha, architected a schema through which television – as various in the Arabic press have reported [5] – that is, al-Jazeera, would not just report revolution, but instantiate it for the region – or at least this is what was believed in Doha in the wake of the Tunisia and Egyptian uprisings.

This was a new evolution over the old model: Hubristic television, rather than mere media management. But Qatar was not merely trying to leverage human suffering into an international intervention by endlessly repeating “reforms are not enough” and the “inevitability” of Assad’s fall, but also – as in Libya – Qatar was directly involved as a key operational actor and financier.

The next stage was to draw French President Nikolas Sarkozy into the campaign through the emir of Qatar’s expansive nature and ties to Sarkozy, supplemented by Feltman’s lobbying. An “Elysee team” of Jean-David Levite, Nicholas Gallet and Sarkozy, was established, with Sarkozy’s wife enlisting Bernard Henri-Levy, the arch promoter of the Benghazi Transitional Council model that had been so effective in inflating North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) into an instrument of regime change.

Finally, President Barack Obama delegated Turkey [6] to play point on Syria’s border. Both of the latter components however are not without their challenges from their own security arms, who are skeptical of the efficacy of the Transitional Council model, and opposed to military intervention.

The Turkish leadership, in particular, is pushed by party pressures in one direction [7] , whilst at another there are deep misgivings about Turkey becoming a NATO “corridor” into Syria. Even Bandar is not without challenges: he has no political umbrella from the king, and others in the family are playing other Islamist cards to different ends.

In operational terms, Feltman and his team coordinate, Qatar hosts the “war room”, the “news room” and holds the purse strings, Paris and Doha lead on pushing the Transitional Council model, whilst Bandar [8] and Turkey jointly manage the Sunni theater in-country, both armed and unarmed.

The Salafist component of armed and combat experienced fighters was to have been managed within this framework, but increasingly they went their own way, answering to a different agenda, and having separate finances.

If the scope of the Syria “game” – for let us not forget the many killed (including civilians, security forces, and armed fighters) make it no game – is on a different scale to the early “color” revolutions, so its defects are greater too. The NTC paradigm, already displaying its flaws in Libya, is even more starkly defective in Syria, with the opposition “council” put together by Turkey, France and Qatar caught in a catch-22 situation. The Syrian security structures have remained rock solid [9] through seven months – defections have been negligible – and Assad’s popular support base is intact.

Only external intervention could change that equation, but for the opposition to call for it, would be tantamount to political suicide, and they know it. Doha and Paris [10] may continue to try to harass the world towards some intervention by maintaining attrition but the signs are that the internal opposition will opt to negotiate.

But the real danger in all this, as John Hannah himself notes on ForeignPolicy.com [11], is that the Saudis, “with their back to the wall”, “might once again fire up the old jihadist network and point it in the general direction of Shi’ite Iran”.

In fact, that is exactly what is happening, but the West does not seem to have noticed. As Foreign Affairs noted last week, Saudi and its Gulf allies are “firing up” the Salafists [12], not only to weaken Iran, but mainly in order to do what they see is necessary to survive – to disrupt and emasculate the awakenings which threaten absolute monarchism.

Salafists are being used for this end in Syria [13] , in Libya, in Egypt (see their huge Saudi flag waving turn-out in Tahrir Square in July ) [14] in Lebanon, Yemen [15] and Iraq.

Salafists may be generally viewed as non-political and pliable, but history is far from comforting. If you tell people often enough that they shall be the king-makers in the region and pour buckets-full of money at them, do not be surprised if they then metamorphose – yet again – into something very political and radical.

Michael Scheuer, the former head of the Central Intelligence Agency Bin Laden Unit, recently warned [16] that the Hillary Clinton-devised response to the Arab awakening, of implanting Western paradigms, by force if necessary, into the void of fallen regimes, will be seen as a “cultural war on Islam” and will set the seeds of a further round of radicalization.

Saudi Arabia is America’s ally. The US, as friends, should ask them if the fall of Assad, and the sectarian conflict that is almost certain to ensue, is really in their interest: Do they imagine that their Sunni allies in Iraq and Lebanon will escape the consequences? Do they really imagine that the Shi’ites of Iraq will not put two-and-two together and take harsh precautions?

One of the sad paradoxes to the sectarian “voice” adopted by the Gulf leaders to justify their repression of the awakening has been the undercutting of moderate Sunnis, now caught between the rock of being seen as a Western tool, and the hard place of Sunni Salafists just waiting for the chance to displace them.

Alastair Crooke is founder and director of Conflicts Forum and is a former adviser to the former EU Foreign Policy Chief, Javier Solana, from 1997-2003.

NK
148. Laws on threatening and disrespecting the nation

It was time there were laws like this. Most country and Turkey, the “regional model”, have roughly the same laws. Just recently a turk was jailed or fined for insulting the president.

103. Heckle Ford against the Syrian Eggs : part 3

The Pentagon should create an anti-eggs defense shield and send it to him, so he can stroll Damascus streets cleanly.

I am surprised there is no cartoon yet on the saga of Heckle and the Eggs..
Maybe the next episode will be “Heckle against the Syrian Fatteh”

Zoo,

Syria figured that out when the Syrian/ Saudi agreement over Lebanon collapsed in the beginning of the year, they just did not expect the Saudi to go that far, and i am not sure if the Saudi king was involved in the planning or was imposed on him when he was in NY and Harriri was there, Syria should never forget that,

The Saudi king might have been dragged to this one as he was dragged to the invasion of Iraq, a follower not a leader.

NK
There are people who claim they do not support Bashar, yet they are against the revolution,making false claims against the revolution,and spreading false propaganda,no one should be deceived,many tactics can be used to defend bashar, some claim they are neutral, some say contradictory statements, and some defend Bashar by attacking the revolution, they all do the same thing,they serve Bashar interest only.

Bashar is losing friends,he like Saddam and Gaddafi has very few friends,one day he will ask Syrians to forgive him for his crimes,just like NERO he is destroying Syria,Nero burned Rome, and Bashar is killing Syrian and destroying Syria, as situation worsen,his own generals will abandone him and he will end his own life,I do not see him able to run away his destiny is to die ,he and his family, in Syria.

#150. Syria no kandahar

If it persists in refusing dialog under the pretext there are still people dying in Syria, the French-Turkish lead opposition will bear the responsibility of more killings and the delay of the implementation of the reforms. They will confirm the stances of the regime that the opposition wants a civil war, not dialog.

I think the opposition is now trapped and their only escape is to instigate more violence.

An opposition that is really peaceful will call for STRIKES not for demonstrations that tend to degenerate. I guess they know that their calls for strikes will get no response, so they prefer to call on the lowest way of anger expression where street people get the illusion of participating to a noble cause. Its very sad that people like Ghalioun condone that.

I think they will remove him very soon as they said it was just a 3 months assignment “to give all members the opportunity to lead”

Bronco,

They do not want reform and the peaceful transfere of power back and forth, They want to do to Syria what the American did in Iraq, the destruction of Arab Nationalism by destroying the Syrian Army and Baath party, Syria’s government and president and most Syrians are aware and fighting back, It is unfortunate that Iraq was destroyed by the Americans while Syria and Arab nationalism is being destroyed by the people who started Arab nationalism, THE SYRIANS themselves.

A secret visit by Turkish high ranking officials to Syria,this followed a call from Erdogan to Bashar,and recent trouble by the Kurds in Turkey,I think this can not be good news to Bashar.

Norman

The Saudi have only two policies:
Be recognized as the leaders of the all Arab Moslems, and keep their rich life style.
Shias, from immemorial time, have always rejected Saudi Arabia’s attempted supremacy on Moslems. On the other hand Saudis have never had any consideration for other than Sunnis, so for them minorities ( moslem and christians and others) should remain just minorities with limited power.
Now they see that with the help or Iran, Arab Shia minority is becoming far too powerful in the region. Saudi failed to prevent that in Iraq, they failed in Lebanon and now they are fighting to secure Syria as a Sunni entity.
They worry that if Syria remains an Iran friend’s it will embold the shia minorities in the Sunni lead kingdoms and threatened their supremacy.

The fight is much beyond ‘freedom’ and ‘toppling a dictator’
That’s unfortunately what most people, stuck with their hatred and revengeful or idealistic ideas against a man and a regime, just can’t see.

#176. majedkhaldoun

Turkey flipping?
In the contrary, I think it is an excellent news for Bashar Al Assad. After having met the turkish lead opposition last week, Turkey is probably negotiating the presence of some members of the opposition under the Arab league umbrella.
The SNC will not be invited as it has called for Bashar al Assad to step down.
I think Ghalioun’s brief leadership is over and the meeting will be held in Syria with the presence of foreign diplomats, including Qatar, Russia, South Africa and…. Turkey.

Forgery

Some insist on forging the words of opposition activities, but some insist on forging history using ellastic words like time immemorial. The region known today as Saudi Arabia lost its leadership over Islam on the day Ali moved the seat of his khilafa to Koufa. It then moved to Damascus (which was the arch-enemy of Shia movement) and then to Baghdad, disperssed slightly to Cairo, and then to Istanboul until the begining of the 20th century. A 100 years does not qualify as time immemorial.

Bronco
You said the meeting will be held in Syria, I bet you are wrong, It is the Arab League who is sponsoring such meeting, its center is Cairo.
You said SNC is not invited, if not invited then SNC do not have to participate in the meeting, please tell me who the Arab league will agree to recognize that constitute Opposition?
I disagree that Turkey is flipping, I will not be surprised if ULTIMATUM was issued.

@ irritated #170

There is difference between insulting and criticizing. In France for example there is a law that punish anybody for insulting the president. That means you can’t call Sarcozy “Son of bitch” or any other insult. However, you can criticize the president even in satiric way. For example, the right wing used to represent Francois Mitterand in a form of frog, because he had a very nasal voice. Of course, you can criticize all policies taken by the government and president.

Can we do this in Syria.
“In Syria, people kneel for the image of the president?????!!!”

To the Libyan people:

Congratulations and Advice by Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi

The end of a tyrant and the beginning of a new era. Praise be to Allah. Prayers and Salutations be upon our master, the Messenger of Allah PBUH, his family, and his companions.

Dear brothers and sisters in Libya,

An era of oppression, subjugation, and anarchy that lasted for over forty years has just ended, an era during which Libya was ruled by a rogue and eccentric man who swung between belief and disbelief, faith and deviation; exerting oppression, committing murder, and repressing people. To you the Libyan people, we extend our congratulations, not for the death of a person, as death is not an occasion for jubilation or gloating, but for the end of a dark chapter in the history of this great nation. Yes indeed, the honorable and honest soldiers are most worthy of our congratulations. The era of the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya has ended with the death of its founder Muammar al-Gaddafi. His reign was based not on the book of Allah Almighty, but on the Green Book, and it was established not on the foundations of the sunnah of the Messenger of Allah PBUH, but on the principles of socialism. As a new era is dawning in Libya, the question today is about the future of Libya away from the covetousness of the West and the control of IMF. Can the Libyan people cast away the consequences of NATO’s support and Western military intervention and build a sovereign state that is not subservient to the American and French foreign policies in the
region? This is what we hope.

Another challenging question is whether the rebels can exercise restraint and stay calm and return to their homes to allow the enforcing of the law in the land instead of anarchy. We have been hearing terrible stories about the demolition of shrines of saints and the digging of their graves by fanatic and extremist groups who are also part of the rebel force. We strongly condemn these deplorable actions and urge the members of The National Transitional Council of Libya (NTC) to take the necessary steps to protect the mosques, shrines, and graveyards from being desecrated. We also urge the NTC to prosecute the perpetrators of such offences.

In closing, we again extend our congratulations to the Libyan people, but express our concern at the news we’ve been hearing and what the coming days and weeks might bring if this problem is not addressed promptly. This revolution should not allow fanatics to destroy this country’s religious heritage, which is based on the Malikite school of Islamic law, the Ash’arite doctrine in theology, and the Sufi tradition, a heritage that follows in the footsteps of righteous predecessors of our ummah.

http://www.facebook.com/shaykhabulhuda

Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi’s response to the question about his involvement in politics:

“After praising Allah Almighty and sending fragrant prayers upon the Seal of prophets our Master Muhammad, PBUH, I would like to express my deep thanks for the brothers and the sisters, friends, teachers and students, from all walks of life, who offered their insightful opinions and advice on the question whi…ch was posed. I received 75 comments ranging from few words to one page all full of wisdom, love and concerns for Muslims in Syria and for my safety.

The question about forming a movement or a political party is out of question; and the same applies on holding any post in future governments.

Politics is a dirty game and an honest man would not last at best for more than few weeks. My role as a scholar and a spiritual leader should be more important and is of greater impact even in politics.

However, forming a political party or holding a political position should be done by our students in Syria and around the world. And when they feel the ground is ready for them to implement our vision and views and revive the role of the shari’a and the ulema.

Once, when I was a little boy, my father asked me: “what do you want to become in the future?” I naively answered, “a president”. He replied, “I will tell of something better”; “better?” I wondered, but he explained, “better than that is when the president is your student”. This is the insight of he Ulema. He explained, our job is to prepare politicians, doctors, engineers, teachers, farmers and all kinds of people to live Islam and implemented in their life.

Therefore, amongst few other reasons, I decided not to accept any position, whether in the Syrian National Council or in the Revolution Council, to both of which I have been nominated; nor in the future; the same stance which I have always had.

I will continue what I am doing now, teaching and guiding people to Allah, writing and giving fatwas. nevertheless, whenever there is a need to issue a statement, answer a question or clarify a point related to the political aspect of our shari’a and the struggle of the Syrian people, I will come out with statements either written or in interviews as best suitable.

We will continue our struggle for the establishment of Islam and Muslim identity in future Syria via our speeches and lectures and writings without threatening the society nor through any violent methods. Rather through informing people and bringing awareness and establishing proofs.

One of the brothers from the USA suggested establishing an centre for research on politics in Islam, which I believe is direly needed. There is a wealth of texts that has not been discovered or studied, an example of which was given in our fatwa on the legitimacy to remove oppressive rulers. This is something to discuss in future Syrian insha Allah.

I reiterate my thanks to all the people who wrote their words of courtesy and wisdom, who put their trust in my choice and for those who wanted me to get involved in politics. May Allah reward you all and increase you in knowledge of Him and strengthen you in practice of His commands.

http://www.facebook.com/shaykhabulhuda

George Galloway on TalkSport last night. A caller asked him about Hugo Chavez praisng Gaddafi as a martyr. Galloway made some good points. However I think we forget that a major factor in these uprisings is ‘dignity’. People dont want to be treated like slaves and animals in these police states.

Listen to the section 0000-0030 from 23 min.

I dont know if it is available outside UK.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/listen-again/episode/51977

168. Dear Haytham Khoury:
I am sorry if my earlier, related comment/s irked you, although I am still uncertain which point/s did!

You said:
“Dear Revlon @155:
The SNC does not have a genie whom the SNC can ask to do and the genie will do”
Absolutely agree!

“First, regarding any international action what ever it is the SNC needs the international community and the international community needs the security council. With the language that you are putting in your post, Russia and China will send you play away”

– My criticism of the performance of the SNC on the issue of the no-fly-zone has nothing to do with its timeliness and feasibility; neither has been seriously evaluated.
It has to do with lack of a clearly communicated policy on the principle.
The genuineness of the SNC’s mission in supporting the revolution is being seriously challenged by their reluctance to deliver on the most urgently needed assistance; the diligent seeking of establishment of a no-fly zone.

– The SNC’s pursuit of the issue has been tepid, indecisive, and half-hearted, and sometimes even negative; with such attitude, no state would consider committing a penny to this cause.

“Second, the gulf countries in the last AL meeting tried to suspend the regime, but they couldn’t. Consequently, they resorted to plan B. You can’t say flatly we do not accept it they are not at your order. You order and they will do. As you know, we call kids who behave like this spoiled brats. Also, when big people behave like this, we call them arrogant entitled. Ghalioun’s attitude as stated in #166 is the appropriate attitude.”

– Dear Haytham, the SNC’s position should be representative of the peoples whom they claim to support.
In compliance, one of the three founding principles of the SNC has been the biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig Nooooooooooooooo to negotiations with the regime.

– Going back on such a principle, in my estimation, has been a strategic mistake.
The regime is going to counter every suggestion with a counter suggestion and keep the SNC, the Arab League, and the rest of the world on hold until they burn the SNC’s only card in this power struggle; the demonstrators and henceforth the revolution.
In the meanwhile, the SNC would be compelled to remain engaged in negotiations lest they be looked upon as “brats” or “Arrogants”.

“Third, regarding the FSA, defections are good. However, “what to do after defection” this is the question. Leaving like this among the population is not a solution”

– The FSA members are part of the Syrian revolution.
They have been risking their lives to provide protection for civilians, something the SNC has thus far failed to muster.
The FSA need to be represented in the SNC, in order to communicate their needs.

– In summary, The SNC has failed to represent and pursue the revolutions needs and objectives. The SNC is risking becoming a burden on the revolution they set out to help; they may soon find themselves irrelevant on the ground.

Haytham

There are three types of cartoons: The ones that ridicule a leader for his physical attributes, the ones that are humoristic and satirical and the ones that are bitter and insulting.
The judgment of which category a category falls in is often subjective.
While caricaturists in Western countries feel free ( except laws against insults to Jews and racial issues) to use any, they sometime creating heavy controverse. Many of them use self-restrain to avoid igniting religious or racial sensitivities, even if the law allows then freedom of speech.

In the middle east, respect for authority and especially for father and mother figures is still prevalent (with its pros and cons). Each culture has its mores and taboos. Therefore caricaturists in the ME rarely go beyond humour and light satyre. Taboos and society mores are usually the basis of law and they differ greatly from culture to culture.

Does Saudi Arabia or Jordan’s laws allow caricature ridiculing the royal family?
Even Turkey, that has a similar cultural heritage, there are laws against insulting the president and there are 60 turkish journalists in jail now, the highest in the region.

As an exercise, compare the laws on this subject in the ME countries, then you can criticize Syria.

Revlon

for once, we agree…

“- In summary, The SNC has failed to represent and pursue the revolutions needs and objectives. The SNC is risking becoming a burden on the revolution they set out to help; they may soon find themselves irrelevant on the ground.”

“That lets me believe that Turkey has now accepted that a conflict with Syria (and Iran) is not in its interest.”

Kurdish Attack On Turkey Disrupts Plot Against Syria

With Gaddhafi gone the Lidless Eye of NATO turns to its next target, Syria, for a repeat of the successful model that was applied in Libya. But the plan for Syria has a flaw in that it depends on Turkey. But attacks by Kurds can press Turkey to abandon the plan.

Alastair Crooke explains the plans that have been made to engineer the downfall of Assad and Syria’s fall into post-revolutionary hell. The main actors behind this plot:

In operational terms, Feltman and his team coordinate, Qatar hosts the “war room”, the “news room” and holds the purse strings, Paris and Doha lead on pushing the Transitional Council model, whilst Bandar and Turkey jointly manage the Sunni theater in-country, both armed and unarmed.

For details please read Crooke’s piece. It is quite good and makes sense.

There are two weak points in these plans. Crooke only points out that control of the Salafi’s, as is shows in Libya, is difficult and there are others then Prince Bandar in the house of Saud, that may have very different ideas on how to use them.

Another weak point in the plan is the role of Turkey and the role of the Kurds. Turkey’s prime minister Erdogan supported some Syrian opposition folks to set up their National Transitional Council in Turkey. But the Syrian Kurds were not amused when they were not included.

The killing of the Kurdish activist Mashaal Tammo in Syria was not followed, as the plans provided, by the Kurdish main parties joining the insurgency against Assad. They smelled the rat and did not blame him for that death.

Then Erdogan was suddenly confronted with a big attack by 100 fighters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) on his military at the Iraqi border. He responded with a division size invasion of North Iraq.

I do not believe that the two issues, Turkey plotting against Syria and the Kurdish attacks in south-eastern Turkey are unrelated. As I wrote back in August:

Some people hope for the Turks to get involved in Syria. Forget about it. Syria, Iraq and Iran have, like Turkey, partly Kurdish population. If they want to pressure Turkey to stay away from an intervention in Syria they only need to unleash some of the Kurdish rebels into east Turkey.

The countries with Kurdish populations, Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, have always used the various Kurdish groups to challenge their respective neighbors when they found it necessary or convenient to do so.

After recently damaging the relations with Iran by accepting a NATO anti-missile radar on Turkish ground and by plotting against Syria, Erdogan now had to again sue for piece:

Turkey is seeking Iran’s support for its fight against Kurdish rebels, as thousands of troops press ahead with an air and ground offensive against militants in northern Iraq for a third day.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu met Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi in Ankara on Friday to discuss closer cooperation against the separatist rebels, who have also attacked Iran in the past.

The Iranians will, of course, support Turkey against the Kurds. Provided, as they will have quietly requested, that Turkey leaves its hands off their Syrian ally. That Turkey has now given in to Iranian demands is visible in its public rejection of the U.S. allegations of an Iranian plot against the Saudi ambassador in Washington. This even after having been shown evidence by U.S. emissaries.

That lets me believe that Turkey has now accepted that a conflict with Syria (and Iran) is not in its interest.

Turkey leaving the revolutionary club takes a big and necessary piece out of the plan: A safe base like Benghazi inside Turkey from where the revolutionaries could jump off their attack on Syria under NATO air cover. One wonders how the plotters will adapt their plans to that.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/

A list of Do’s and Dont’s for Jr, should he wish to survive!
نصائح لبشار الأسد لتجنب مصير القذافي

2011/10/22
نهاد إسماعيل
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36114

تتساقط الدكتاتوريات العربية كأوراق الخريف في هذا الربيع العربي ويبتهج الشارع العربي لسقوط الطاغية معمر القذافي.
كان بامكان القذافي ان يتجنب البهدلة والموت بطريقة لا تليق بالانسان لو غادر ليبيا الى بلد آمن. ولكن من ميزات الدكتاتور العربي هي العناد والغباء والاعتقاد انه دائم وغير قابل للسقوط. هذا الغباء جلب نهايات كارثية لصدام حسين وعائلته ولمعمر القذافي واولاده وسيجلب الكوارث لبقية الدكتاتوريين.

لذلك فانها مسألة وقت قبل ان يأتي دور بشار الأسد الذي لجأ للحلول الأمنية القمعية التي استعملها معمر القذافي وجلب الويل لنفسه وافراد عائلته. الشعب الليبي يحتفل وفي المستقبل الغير بعيد سيحتفل الشعب السوري. نرجو ان يتم ذلك بدون الحاجة للتدخل الخارجي. ولكن دراسة سلوك الدكتاتوريين تشير انهم لا يتعلمون ولا يتعظون من الدروس. فصدام حسين رفض المغادرة والاستقالة والتنحي واصر على البقاء حتى تم العثور عليه في الجورة الحقيرة وكذلك زميله معمر القذافي اعلن العناد والحرب على شعبه وانتهى الأمر به في مجاري قاذورات تقطنها الجرذان.

كيف يستطيع بشار الأسد انقاذ نفسه وعائلته؟

وصلت اخبار قتل معمر القذافي اثناء ندوة تتعلق بتغطية الاعلام للثورات العربية حضرها اعلاميون ونواب برلمان وديبلوماسيون في لندن.
واثناء استراحة القهوة تبادلت الحديث مع ديبلوماسي بريطاني وكان مهتما بالشأن السوري وسألته هل سيلاقي بشار الأسد نفس المصير. ابتسم واكتفى بالقول “خلال اسابيع أتوقع انه سيتم فرض حظر جوي على شمال سوريا وجنوب سوريا لاعطاء الجيش المنشق هامشا من حرية الحركة وهذه ستكون بداية النهاية”.

ولكي يتفادى بشار الأسد مصيرا مؤلما مظلما يتعين عليه قراءة النصائح التالية واذا طبق النصائح تطبيقا دقيقا سوف ينجو من الانتهاء بحفرة بائسة.

اولا

الاعتراف الكامل بالمجلس الوطني السوري كالممثل الشرعي الوحيد للشعب السوري وعلى بشار أن لا يستمع لأكاذيب وليد المعلم وبثينة شعبان ان سوريا ليست ليبيا. الجغرافيا تختلف ولكن رغبة الشعوب بالتغيير تبقى ذاتها.

ثانيا

لا يستمع لأكاذيب ديناصورات حزب الارهاب البعثي ولرؤساء اجهزة المخابرات والأمن والشبيحة. لا يهم هؤلاء سوى مصالحهم الشخصية فقط وسيتخلوا عنك في لحظات عندما يشعروا ان النهاية اقتربت.

ثالثا:

أن يرسل زوجته أسماء واطفالها الى بريطانيا حيث انها تمتلك الجنسية البريطانية وسيتم الترحيب بها كمواطنة بريطانية. وفي بريطانيا يحترموا الانسان وحقوق الانسان بعكس سوريا. ولكن بشار نفسه لا يستطيع أن يأتي لبريطانيا لأنه متورط بجرائم حرب وسوف يقبضوا عليه لتسليمه لمحكمة الجنايات الدولية.

رابعا

على بشار البحث عن ملجأ اخر في روسيا او الصين اللتان قدمتا الحماية لنظامه في مجلس الأمن باستعمال حق الفيتو. هذه الدول تستطيع ان تمنح لجؤء سياسي لاصدقاءها.

خامسا:

ان لا يصدق روايات المؤامرة والقاعدة والمندسين بل عليه ان يفهم ان الشعب لا يريده ولا يريد حكم الأسد لأربعين عام اخرى.

سادسا:

يتعين على بشار الأسد ان يعلم انه خلال اسابيع سيتم فرض حظر جوي على المناطق الشمالية المحاذية للحدود التركية وفي الجنوب على الحدود الأردنية لكي تستطيع قوات الجيش المنشقة اللجؤ لتلك المناطق والعمل دون التعرض لأعمال انتقامية من الجيش السوري الذي لا يزال تحت سيطرة السلطة الحاكمة.

سابعا:
على بشار ان لا يستمع لاعضاء مجلس الشعب الذين يهتفوا بالروح والدم نفديك يا بشار. حتى لو احتل المنصب صنم من الاسمنت سيكرروا نفس الهتافات وخلال شهور سيكرروا نفس الهتافات لأعضاء المجس الوطني الانتقالي وللقادة الجدد. من يهتف بالروح والدم نفديك يا دكتاتور يستطيع ان يهتف نفس العبارات لغيرك فلا تصدق المديح الكاذب.

ثامنا:

على الرئيس ان لا يصدق الأكذوبة التي يكررها ديناصورات البعث الارهابي ان دمشق هي قلعة العروبة النابض. فهي في الحقيقة قلعة الفساد والقمع والشبيحة. ولا يصدق ان نظام دمشق هو نظام ممانعة او مقاومة. كما يعلم فهي ممانعة شفهية لفظية فقط. كيف يمكنكم ان تتحدثوا عن المقاومة فهذه نكتة قديمة لأن احتلال الجولان مضى عليه 44 عام ولا يوجد اي مقاومة حتى المقاومة الكلامية ممنوعة. لعبة الخداع والكذب انكشفت والخيارات ضيقة. اذا كنت لا تزال غير متأكد ما يمكن عمله عليك الرجوع للنقاط 1و 2 و3 و 4 اعلاه.

تاسعا:

لا ترتكب خطأ صدام وتجد نفسك في حفرة حقيرة بائسة ولا ترتكب خطأ معمر القذافي وتبقى في سوريا وسيتم العثور عليك والقبض عليك ولا تكرر خطأ حسني مبارك والبقاء لأنه سيتم القبض عليك ومحاكمتك.

عاشرا:

لا تكرر اخطاء علي عبد الله صالح وتشعل حربا اهلية لأنك ستظلم الشعب السوري بأكمله حتى المؤيدين لك وتحكم عليهم بالموت وستبقى ملاحقا كمجرم حرب.

ونصيحة اخيرة عليك تزويد المجلس الوطني باسماء الشبيحة وقادة الشبيحة لكي يتم ملاحقتهم واخضاعهم للعدالة السورية.
اذا قررت البقاء في سوريا وتنجو من مصير مخيف عليك ان تبدأ بتفكيك الأجهزة الأمنية وتفكيك حزب البعث وتنحى واستقيل واعتذر للشعب السوري واعتزل السياسة وربما يغفروا لك او يقدموك لمحاكمة عادلة بالمعايير السورية التي خضع لها الشعب السوري منذ اوائل الستينات.
وتذكير ان وقتك انتهى جاء على لسان وزير الخارجية البريطانية وليم هيغ عندما سؤل عن مصيرك في ضؤ ما حدث للقذافي. قال هيغ بالحرف الواحد ان بشار وصل نقطة اللارجعة ومهما يفعل سيلاحق كمجرم حرب.

The death of Saudi crown prince may lead to the appointment of prince Nayef who is seen as hawkish and less flexible than king Abdullah. Nayef is not seen as reform-minded and his likely appointment will not be good news for Saudi women and those who want Saudi Arabia to move out of the mentality of the middle ages.
All Arab societies need reform but Saudi Arabia tops the list.
If Abdullah is as influential as his supporters say,he will not pick Nayef who is a favorite among the Neocons and the Hariri clan.My suspicion is that Abdullah may not have a choice but I would love to be wrong on this one.

Dear irritated@ 181:

We do not want insult the president and we do not make fun of him. Can we criticize him and analyze his presidency and his personality in a scientific objective way?

Turkey does not buy the US allegations about an alleged Iranian plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador in the US
كشف وزير الخارجية التركي أحمد داود أوغلو، الجمعة، أن بلاده لا تصدق المزاعم التي قالت إن عملاء إيرانيين دبروا مؤامرة لاغتيال السفير السعودي في واشنطن، مبينة أنه على هؤلاء الذين يطلقون المزاعم أن يكونوا واضحين بشأن مزاعمهم ويجب على إيران أن ترد على ذلك.

وقال داود أوغلو، في مؤتمر صحفي مشترك مع نظيره الإيراني علي أكبر صالحي، الذي يزور تركيا، نقلته وكالة (رويترز) للأنباء إننا “لا نصدق أن تشارك إيران في عمل كهذا، لكن أمريكا تقول إن لديها أدلة”، مضيفا أنه “على الحكومات أن تكون شفافة في مثل هذه المسائل، وعلى هؤلاء الذين يطلقون المزاعم أن يكونوا واضحين بشأن مزاعمهم ويجب على إيران أن ترد على ذلك.”

More on the vulgarity of Jr’s mobsters in treating civilians
أوغاريت مقطع مسرب من الأمن تعامل عناصر الجيش مع أحد المعتقلين

Revlon
Who made the SNC the sole rep of the Syrian opposition?

Dear Revlon@185:

The SNC would like to protect the civilians as much as they can. However, let us be realistic; Russia is objecting to any form of foreign intervention before it start to believe that there is no room for negotiation between the regime and the opposition. For this reason, any perspective of no-fly zone would not be in the near future. That is not because the SNC does not want it, but realistically it is not achievable.

The AL initiative came to break this deadlock. The SNC should insist that AL decision last week is its bottom line (with two weeks interval to start negotiation with the regime in Cairo).

The art of diplomacy is based on negotiations and forming alliances.

Revlon
I think you went too far in saying that SNC has failed, I fully agree with you that no fly zone should be adopted by the SNC,the problem is the regime is using this issue as nonpatriotic move, which I definitely disagree,it will take time for the SNC to change their mind,SNC left this question open for the time being, they,as I think, will change their mind and support such action, but winning arabic support requires time and serial events that will lead them to change their mind.
The killing ,arrest and torture practiced by the regime ,at least to some, has not reach a level to call for protective zone and no fly zone, ofcourse I believe it has reached this point,but politic require patience and the SNC is political entity,and not yet a revolution entity,the revolution is inside Syria.
I support dialogue but it must be preceded by the regime stop the killing and arrest and torture, the regime and its propagandists here on SC, are lying and deceiving , they claim reform,but in reality there is no reform, when we deal with liers,we have to prove it so to gain international and domestic support.
Just be patient.

I don’t think this long (opposition favorable) article has been linked here yet. A detailed look at the array of forces.

The Dynamics of the Uprising in Syria
Oct 19 2011
by Hassan Abbas

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/2906/the-dynamics-of-the-uprising-in-syria

Ending paragraph:
The Syrian uprising has become rooted as a revolutionary movement that is progressing towards an inevitable change of regime (at least politically). It is continuing to expand and is winning growing support among the Syrian people and internationally, in spite of the extent of the violence to which it is being subjected. Thus the regime’s efforts to annihilate it are but a hopeless, unattainable dream. At the same time, by persevering with the security solution, evading and procrastinating over political solutions, the regime has proved that it is standing by its convictions and that nothing can deter it, be it the scale of its own criminality, the appeals of its friends or international threats. It is therefore an intractable case that cannot be brought to a peaceful end unless the regime performs a miracle by grasping the fact that the Syrian people has awakened from its slumber of humiliation and fear, and launched a dignified uprising to reclaim the natural rights that long years of Ba’ath Party rule robbed them of, and that the responsibility for putting out the fires that are threatening the country lies with it alone. It must start by immediately abandoning the security option and finding rapid solutions for the tragedies and hardships it has created. It must then follow up by carrying out genuine and immediate reforms to bring an end to the monopoly on power and lay the cornerstone for a pluralistic civil state.

[This article was first published as Arab Reform Brief No. 51 by the Arab Reform Initiative.]

A show of force by a unit of the FSA, while citing a pledge to continue defending civilians until the removal of the Regime.

أوغاريت بيان سرية القسام من كتيبة القعقاع بن عمرو التميمي 21 10 2011

Revlon
I agree with you that someone from the FSA should be on the SNC, I think Ryad AlAsaad is a good candidate.

194. Dear Ghufran:
“Revlon
Who made the SNC the sole rep of the Syrian opposition?”

– Are they? I am not aware that they are!
– The demonstrators and ground activists announced the SNC as their representative!

@NK SAID:

“…The decree is tailored so that the committee can pick and choose, and so only parties approved by the rotten regime will be allowed, and only politicians approved by our lovely mukhabarat will be allowed to participate…..”

That was 100% expected NK, we are not fool, we just taking this to its natural dead end course.

Syrian Nationalist Party
Metaz K M Aldendeshe
Chief Strategist

@NK 153,

Have you heard the Homsi saying الحق الكذاب لباب الدار SNP strategy calls for slowing the sectarian and criminal violence and mayhem down, the one embedded by foreign interests , Turk, Saudi, Israeli, Lebanese and NATO/USA aimed at bringing Syria as a “State” and country down. Defeat the seditious plot, and put the Syrian revolution back on clean tracks by separating the real Syrian opposition from the mercenaries, knowing in the end, that it was based on flawed assumptions and will fail, that those plotted will reach a dead end and dump the serious political opposition free and leave them hopeless and helpless. We are stoeked that finally the Syrians did wake up, that there exists political opposition to the Baathist tyranny. We had to invent them back in 2005, not one independent person was found, except those few that visited Washington, Beirut and Khaddam and all ended up dead ender’s or in jail. Syria and Syrians are not going back to Baathist Rule, anyone that thinks so is delusional.

We have no problem in working closely and within a Nationalist combined strategy with any opposition party or person as long as he is not a former Baathist, or member of terrorist network, Arab nationalist Socialist Party or promoters of such and who had a role or responsibility in the wicked Baathist system since its inception.

Qaddafi’s body; A message to the remaining Tyrants.

جثة القذافي || رسالة من رب العالمين الى كل طواغيت العرب

198. REVLON:

Elements of a single platoon, or deserters comprising close to that of a single platoon.

Hard to tell if everyone is wearing SyA BDUs.

These persons appear to more closely resemble Salafi fighters than they do a spinoff of the SyA (FSA). Where are their vehicles?

Dear Revlon @185:

Regarding the negotiation with the regime. What do you think if the regime decides to leave and say to you I would like to negotiate the terms of my departure. What do think about that? Do you negotiate?

Second, Russia does not want to permit any SC decision to be issued before exhausting the slim glimmer hope of dialogue/negotiation. Le us prove to the Russians that the regime does not want negotiation.

Libyan Scenario intervention in Syria; Why not?
كلشي الا السيناريو الليبي !!!

نشره ثورجي ثورجي في 21 تشرين الاول, 2011 – 05:43 المسا
http://the-syrian.com/archives/48333#comment-83971
الا السناريو الليبي !!!
في البداية اود ان ان ابارك للشعب الليبي باكتمال نصره واقتصاصه من الطاغية الدكتاتور
ونحن ندعو الله ان يوفق الشعب الليبي الشقيق لاكمال ثورته ببناء ليبيا حرة يسود فيها الحق والعدل .

منذ بدايات الثورة في سورية ونحن نسمع هذه العبارة على لسان الجميع في الخارج والداخل (لا نريد ان نعيد السيناريو الليبي )
ولعل اول من صرح بهذا كانت السيدة كلينتون في بداية الثورة عندما قالت لا تتوقعوا ان نتدخل في سورية كما فعلنا في ليبيا او عبارة مشابهة لذلك

و كرر بعدها الداخل والخارج نفس العبارة بدافع الانفة ربما او لربما لثقتنا بقدرتنا على اسقاط النظام بالسلمية وحدها
وبدون اللجوء للغرب او كما يقولون لان شعبنا (ما بيرميها واطية لحدا)
واصبح الجميع يبرر بان الوضع الدولي و الاقليمي والطائفي في سورية مختلف عن ليبيا

والبعض الآخر يقول انه ليس لدينا نفط لدفع فاتورة التدخل كما قال وبكل وقاحة وصفاقة وليد المعلك وغيره من ابواق النظام
ويقول البعض الاخر ان الخسائر في الارواح ستكون كبيرة جدا

ربما كانت هذه العبارة مقبولة في بداية الثورة … اما بعد تجربة السلمية على مدى ثمانية اشهر
واكثر من ستة الاف شهيد وستة الاف مفقود (وعلى الغالب شهيد) واكثر من مائة الف معتقل
وعشرة الاف نازح كما ان هناك فئة نزحت او خرجت من سورية لم يحسبها احد وهم الشباب الذي خرج من البلد
هربا من الوضع القائم اولا وبهدف العمل بعد توقف حالهم هنا في سورية (كما يقولون) وهؤلاء يعدون بعشرات الالاف ايضا

بعد كل هذه التطورات الا يحق لنا ان نتسائل لماذا كل شيئ الا السيناريو الليبي ؟؟؟؟
الم يكن من المتوقع ومنذ اول ايام الثورة اننا متشابهين مع الثورة الليبية في كثير من النواحي مع اننا كنا نحاول ان ننكر ذلك
اليس لنظامنا ونظامهم نفس الطبيعة من الاستبداد والوحشية والدكتاتورية ؟
حتى ان نظامنا ارسل طائراته وسياراته لمساعدة النظام في بدايات الثورة الليبية وقبل ان تبدا ثورتنا
لانهم يدركون ان (الدور جاي عليهم كلهم )كما بشرهم بها الهالك القذافي في اجتماع الجامعة العربية عام 2008 في دمشق

اليس هذا السيناريو الليبي هو من اعطى لليبيين الابطال الشجعان حريتهم واعاد لهم كرامتهم وخلصهم من الطاغية القذافي
الذي لولا الله ثم تدخل الناتو في اللحظة الاخيرة قبل دخول كتائب القذافي الى بنغازي لربما كان الحال غير الحال.
اليس هذا السيناريو هو الوحيد من باقي السيناريوهات الباقية هو الوحيد الذي مكن الثوار وقبل الجميع من الانتقام من قاتلهم
بينما لا يزال زين الهاربين مختبئا واللامبارك يحاكم محاكمة لا تبدو نهايتها قريبة و مشكوك في نتيجتها.
الم نكن نعير معارضتنا ببطئها و ونضرب المثل بسرعة تكون المجلس الانتقالي الليبي و شجاعته في اتخاذ القرار الحاسم
الا تتمنون معي ان يكون لدينا رئيس مجلس قوي وشجاع كمصطفى عبد الجليل قادر على ان يجاري نبض الشارع الثائر.
وهل تنفع السلمية مع مثل هذه الأنظمة اساسا ام انها مجرد عبثية واهدار للدماء ولا اقول بدون فائدة ولكن بفائدة محدودة جدا
الم يكسب المجلس الليبي احترام ودعم العالم باسره ( ما عدا روسيا والصين لسلوكهم قاعدة خالف تعرف) لسلوكه هذا السيناريو الواقعي والمنطقي
والمجبرين عليه في نهاية الامر فاما ان نقاوم او نباد .

واما الفاتورة فالثمن موجود ويمكن تحصيله من ارصدة الحرامية المجمدة كبشار ورامي وغيرهم والتي كشف عنها في بنوك اوروبا وامريكا وغيرها
وتقدر بعشرات المليارات من الدولارات
كما يمكن تحصيلها ايضا من عائدات النفط التي تنتجه سورية والتي لاتدخل الميزانية اصلا والتي تقدر باكثر من 5 مليار دولار في السنة
هذا غير الترانزيت على مرور النفط في اراضينا.
يمكن ان يجادل البعض باننا لا نريد ان نرهق الميزانية باعباء كبيرة يمكن ان تعيق النمو الاقتصادي …
وترهن القرار السيادي للدولة …وغيره من هالكلام الكبير ..
ولكن هل نسيتوا ان حياة اخوتكم او ابنائكم او امهاتكم او اصدقائكم تساوي اموال الدنيا كلها

هذا التغير في النظرة للسيناريو الليبي يمكن ان يكون لان الغرب انتبه انه يدعم مسلحين اسلاميين
ويخشى ان لن يكون الوضع في سورية مماثلا. وهو مفهوم بالنسبة للغرب لانه يريد اصلا تجنب تطبيق هذا السيناريو (الناجح)في سورية قدر الامكان
مراعاة لمصالح اسرائيل بالطبع كون النظام في سورية اكبرحامي لاسرائيل ولن تجد افضل من هذا النظام في حال سقوطه

ولكن الغرب سيجبر في النهاية على تطبيق هذا السيناريو عندما يجد ان الاوضاع الامنية في سورية بدات تخرج عن السيطرة

ولكنه في الوقت نفسه لن يستطيع التدخل اذا كان المجلس الوطني الممثل الاكبر للشعب لا يريد هذا التدخل ولا يطالب به
(!!! ويصيح ( لا نريد تكرار السيناريو الليبي

expect more attacks on the SNC and Ghalioun until they cave in to militant islamist demands. we said that before and it is still true today. Smearing Louai Hussain is another example.
the Arab League will also be attacked if it does not help advocates of a violent solution of this crisis. Believers in a Libyan model to end this conflict will not stop any time soon and they have little problem eating their own heros.
Notice how attitudes about Ghalioun and the SNC are changing on this blog and everywhere. The guy was used and when he is not useful anymore he will be ousted or,god-forbid,mysteriously killed and as usual the charges are ready and the press releases are ready too and the regime will be accused of his killing and any future assassination of moderate opposition figures.
our militant friends have a funny way of unifying the opposition,if you are not with “us” you are either an agent for Bashar or you do not need to exist,this approach is Talibani and has nothing to do with freedom and democracy.
First,they said that the SNC is the sole rep of the opposition,which is absolutely not true,and then they will declare the SNC as a failure if it does not adapt their violent agenda.

ومنهم مَنْ مَاتَ على كُرسّي الحكم ومَنْ خُلِعَ ومَنْ قُتِلْ ومَنْ ينتظرُ.. وما بدّلوا تبديلا

@W. SHERK Said:

“…I must ask you: what actual attempts have you made to turn the SNP into a legal entity in Syria? Can you tell us a few facts about your party (which at the present time is illegal)?…”

We have made several demands that, at the least, an SNP office and a representative be allowed in Syria. No direct response, dead silent. They must have known the value of this footprint and its missionary effect and considered it a threat of sort. There were public responses about the new Party law that will be fronted to the public and circulated for evaluation before it was submitted to assembly. But I am assuming, that four days after SNP requested from Iran Supreme Leader to be careful in funding 5 billion to Syria when Hama was under attack did not go well in Damascus and the President bypassed what he promised earlier, and that also promised by Mrs. Buthina Shabaan and issued a Party law as a Presidential Decree that appears to equate SNP with the Moslem Brotherhoods. The terms prohibits any avenue whatsoever for SNP to set shop in Syria, no matter how creative one try to be in running around the Party law terms. Because the few party members are located mostly in Europe and USA, for legal reasons, SNP would need legal platform according to Syrian laws that can provides the legal cover for doing business, or operating in Syria with Assad. Without such legally sanctioned presence, SNP activities can/may be misinterpreted by either Syrian or Western sides, as some sort of clandestine operations, which exposes the party into conflict with various laws currently on the books of all sides.

205. Haytham Khourysaid:
“Dear Revlon @185:
Regarding the negotiation with the regime. What do you think if the regime decides to leave and say to you I would like to negotiate the terms of my departure. What do think about that? Do you negotiate?”

Dear Haytham
First, this is a hypothetical scenario; it has not arisen and in my estimation it never will.
I am amazed that you entertain such thoughts having witnessed Saddam and Qiddafi’s fates.
Jr and his entourage, much like Qiddafi was even while hiding in that big sewer pipe, are under obsessive, terminal delusions of invincibility; they just won’t quit.

Second, Jr and his entourage are suspects in committing or being accomplices in crimes against humanity.
The only party to hold the right to grant amnesty are first and foremost the survivors of the victims’ families and the victims of torture.
The SNC has neither the mandate nor the legal authority to start such negotiations.

Third, should the regime decide to call it quits, all they have to do is to expedite their elaborate escape plans that are already in place.
The Mobsters hold no regard or reverence but to the perpetuation of their Mob empire; They care less about orderly transition of power.

“Second, Russia does not want to permit any SC decision to be issued before exhausting the slim glimmer hope of dialogue/negotiation. Le us prove to the Russians that the regime does not want negotiation”

As I said earlier, I believe much of both, the lukewarm attitude of the west and the negative position of Russia and China twords SC intervention have been rooted in the SNC’s related ambivalence!

204. Pirouz
“Where are their vehicles”

In car wash!

The comment following hereunder was posted by a commentator in reponse to the post that linked to earlier:
كلشي الا السيناريو الليبي !!!

نشره ثورجي ثورجي في 21 تشرين الاول, 2011 – 05:43 المسا
http://the-syrian.com/archives/48333#comment-83971
الا السناريو الليبي !!!

ههههههههههههههههههههههههههه أخي ثورجي الله محييك انا وياك عم نفكر نفس التفكير

“نحنا ما بدنا يصير فينا متل ليبيا !!!! ”

يازلمة هالجملة شو بتهزلي بدني , كل شوي وشوي بينطلك واحد بيقلك ما بدنا يصير فينا متل ليبيا وما بدنا يصير فينا متل مدري مين ومدري شلون

ليش شبون ليبيا ؟ ما خلصو من القذافي ؟ ما هادا مطلبنا كلنا كسوريين انو نخلص من بشار ؟ ولا نحنا بدنا يسقط النظام على مرائنا ومزاجنا

يلي ما بدو يصير فينا متل ليبيا بيكون ما بدو يسقط النظام لانو بليبيا سقط النظام . ويلي صار بليبيا بطولة بمعنى الكلمة شعب تعب اتعذب حارب صبر وانتصر بالاخر.

يلي ما بدو يصير فينا متل ليبيا مشان الفاتورة تبع الخارج , هدا واحد كحتوت وخايف على المصاري , بيفضل المصاري على ارواح هالبشر يلي عم تمووت , انو ياجماعه بلا ما ندفع فاتورة طويلة عريضه خلينا عم ننقتل ونموت إلا ماهيك بمعجزه بشار يقرر يقتل حالو بمسدس

يلي ما بدو يصير فينا متل ليبيا وبيقلك رح يموت كتير عالم , ماهلأ يا بني ادم عم يموت كتير عالم ولا هدول مو عالم يلي عم يستشهدو كل يوم 20 شخص على الاقل ؟

نحنا على وضعنا وبكل واقعيه ولا يجي حدا يقلي يأسان وفاقد الامل ومن هاللعي الفاضي , بكل واقعيه نحنا على وضعنا الحالي , من الحالة السياسيه الخارجيه ومن حالة المعارضة , ومن حالة يلي على اساس اخوتنا العرب , ومن حالة ايران الدولة الداعمة للنظام, على هالحالة لسا بدنا 10 سنين لحتى يسقط النظام, انا هيك شايف , 10 سنين كل يوم بدو يستشهد 20 ويمكن بالاخر يسقط ويمكن ما يسقط يعني على حسبتي بعد 10 سنين بيكون صار عدد الشهداء على فرض انو عم يستشهد 20 باليوم بس , شي 85000 بني ادم والنتجيه مو مؤكدة

اهلا وسهلا بالسيناريو الليبي , التدخل الخارجي, عسكرة الثورة . هدول يلي وصلو ليبيا لهدفهم .

نحنا عملنا يلي علينا وبلشت سلمية , وطلع الجحش حيوان متل ابوه الحمار , وما بيفهم بالسلمية , ولا العالم وقف معنا , ما في غيرنا نحنا يلي منقدر نساوي يلي بدنا ياه

على راسي حارتك ثورجي

Dr. Ghufran a.k.a AbuGhassan is clearly delusional, you despicable creature, what makes you think there are “militant” Islamist demands ? We believe inn Allah and the Last prophet, and if you don;t like it ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BUDDY. Our way is peaceful and I recommend you to read AL RAHEEQ AL MAKTOUM of Darus Salam Publications, go to your nearest Islamic store and grab a copy, its available in 8 languages, it is a biography of the Prophet (pbuh). Maybe after reading it you may want to revise some your stubborn, bigotted views, I pity you, you poor, poor thing.

We believe in the seerah of the Prophet, we do not hit first we use violence only in self-defence, get that into your surgeon’s head, try reading about the Battle of Badr and NBattle of Uhud, our ideals are the First Caliphates, actually you’ll be surprised to hear, during the Caliphate of Khalid ibn al Walid in Syria, Christians from Turkey and Armenia would migrate en-masse to Syria so as to live under the shade of Islamic rule even paying Jizya for it. We Muslims are not a bunch of bloodsuckers, we are soldoers of mercy, try reading a copy of Quran Karim with Tafseer Ibn Kathir and try buying a copy of Al Raheeq al Maktoum of darus Salam publications, it might help you, you are a soul in need.

Btw did any of you see the video I posted of Mufti Hassoun’s khutba, it is now apparent he is a closet Shia as he does not consider Amir Muawiyah as the rightful Amir-ul-Mumineen. Just spread the news, why are people not interested in this peice of news ? A Sunni Imam does not recognise Muawiya, how can he be Sunni ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LoMnUlXCMo

Clearly, Hassoun is insulting Muwaiyah, According to Sunni scholars like Dr. Zakir Naik, we should not curse even Yazeed. How dare Mufti Hassoun criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen Muawiyah ?

I’m disappointed that none of the Sunnis replied to this post, pls see the video for yourselves and see that Mufti Hassounis a closet Shia doing Taqiyah, how else does he criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen MUAWIYA ?

Also, TARA, are you ignoring me ? Have I offended you ? Pls forgive me, I’m in a heightened state of anger and excitement.

Mufti Hassoun’s khutba, it is now apparent he is a closet Shia as he does not consider Amir Muawiyah as the rightful Amir-ul-Mumineen. Just spread the news, why are people not interested in this peice of news ? A Sunni Imam does not recognise Muawiya, how can he be Sunni ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LoMnUlXCMo

Clearly, Hassoun is insulting Muwaiyah, According to Sunni scholars like Dr. Zakir Naik, we should not curse even Yazeed. How dare Mufti Hassoun criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen Muawiyah ?

I’m disappointed that none of the Sunnis replied to this post, pls see the video for yourselves and see that Mufti Hassounis a closet Shia doing Taqiyah, how else does he criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen MUAWIYA ?

Also, TARA, are you ignoring me ? Have I offended you ? Pls forgive me, I’m in a heightened state of anger and excitement.

Ghufran a.k.a Dr. AbuGhassan is clearly delusional, you despicable creature, what makes you think there are “militant” Islamist demands ? We believe inn Allah and the Last prophet, and if you don;t like it ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BUDDY. Our way is peaceful and I recommend you to read AL RAHEEQ AL MAKTOUM of Darus Salam Publications, go to your nearest Islamic Store and grab a copy, its available in 8 languages, it is a biography of the Prophet (pbuh). Maybe after reading it you may want to revise some your stubborn, bigotted views, I pity you, you poor, poor thing.

We believe in the seerah of the Prophet, we do not hit first we use violence only in self-defence, get that into your surgeon’s head, try reading about the Battle of Badr and NBattle of Uhud, our ideals are the First Caliphates, actually you’ll be surprised to hear, during the Caliphate of Khalid ibn al Walid in Syria, Christians from Turkey and Armenia would migrate en-masse to Syria so as to live under the shade of Islamic rule even paying Jizya for it. We Muslims are not a bunch of bloodsuckers, we are soldoers of mercy, try reading a copy of Quran Karim with Tafseer Ibn Kathir and try buying a copy of Al Raheeq al Maktoum of darus Salam publications, it might help you, YOU ARE A SOUL IN NEED. Just feel free to walk in to any Salafi Mosque and clear your misconceptions.

Dr. Ghufran a.k.a AbuGhassan is clearly delusional, you despicable creature, what makes you think there are “militant” Islamist demands ? We believe inn Allah and the Last prophet, and if you don;t like it ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BUDDY. Our way is peaceful and I recommend you to read AL RAHEEQ AL MAKTOUM of Darus Salam Publications, go to your nearest Islamic store and grab a copy, its available in 8 languages, it is a biography of the Prophet (pbuh). Maybe after reading it you may want to revise some your stubborn, bigotted views, I pity you, you poor, poor thing.

We believe in the seerah of the Prophet, we do not hit first we use violence only in self-defence, get that into your surgeon’s head, try reading about the Battle of Badr and NBattle of Uhud, our ideals are the First Caliphates, actually you’ll be surprised to hear, during the Caliphate of Khalid ibn al Walid in Syria, Christians from Turkey and Armenia would migrate en-masse to Syria so as to live under the shade of Islamic rule even paying Jizya for it. We Muslims are not a bunch of bloodsuckers, we are soldiers of mercy, try reading a copy of Quran Karim with Tafseer Ibn Kathir and try buying a copy of Al Raheeq al Maktoum of darus Salam publications, it might help you, you are a soul in need. You kight also like to watch lectures by Dr. Abdul Raheem Green.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIURcB-YdNA&feature=related

And for those who have some allergy to words like “Wahhabi” and “Salafi” :

هيكل:الاعتراف الامريكي الغربي بالإخوان المسلمين لم يأت قبولا بحق لهم ولااعجابا ولاحكمة لكنه جاء لتوظيف ذلك في تأجيج فتنة في الإسلام

146 Martyrs have thus far fallen victims to Jr and his mob since the announcement of Arab league intiative; All parties to that initiative share the reponsibility for advancing everything else over the sanctity of human life.

AlFatiha upon their souls,
May God bless their families with psolace and empower them with solace.

The Syrian Revolution 2011 الثورة السورية ضد بشار الاسد

شكراً أيتها الجامعة العربية , شكراً نبيل العربي ,,, هذهالأإحصائية لكم
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لقد بلغ عدد الشهداء منذ بداية مهلة الجامعة العربية الممنوحة للنظام الاسدي لغاية اللحظة /مائة وستة واربعون شهيدا /

يوم الاحد : 16/10

حمص :

1- الشهيد مصطفى عبد الله

2- الشهيد زياد الاشلق من حي الخالدية

3- الشهيد سمير الزعيم استشهد من حي الخالدية

4- الشهيدتامرمندو /سامر/ من حي الانشاءات

5- الشهيد غزوان غليون من حي الانشاءات

6- الشهيد محمد زاهر استشهد بشارع الستين

7- الشهيد طاهر افضال السباعي من حي الانشاءات

8- الشهيد فادي عبد القادر كعدة من باب تدمر

9- الشهيد محمد نور اليوسف استشهد تحت التعذيب

ريف دمشق :

10- الشهيد زاهر محمود برهان من الزبداني

دير الزور :

11- الشهيد سائرالشهاب

ادلب :

12- الشهيد قتيبة عبيد من بنش

13- الشهيد كفاح السرماني من خان شيخون

14- الشهيد محمد الحموي من خان شيخون

يوم الاثنين : 17/10

حمص :

15- الشهيد محمد سالم طيارة وهومن أقارب البطل نجاتي طيارة في حي الخالدية

16- الشهيد نزارحسين الطالب 35 سنة من منطقة الغجر استشهد تحت التعذيب

17- الشهيد مهندالعبدالله من حي الخالدية

18- الشهيد اشرف شيخ السوق من حي الخالدية

19- الشهيد محمد سامرمندو من حي الخالدية

20- الشهيد أكرم مصطفى مندو من حي الخالدية

21- الشهيد فادي دبوس من حي الخالدية

22- الشهيد عبد الله كامل سويدان من حي الخالدية

23- الشهيد عبد المطلب الصباغ من باب سباع

24- الشهيد مجد عبد الباسط الحلاق من باب سباع

25- الشهيدة عبير شيخ السوق 35 سنة من باب سباع

26- الشهيد مؤيد مهرات من باب سباع

27- الشهيد بلال عودة من باب سباع

28- الشهيد عبدالمالك مخزوم من باب سباع

29- الشهيد ياسين شما / 36 سنة من باب سباع

30- الشهيد مرهف جعفر من باب سباع

31- الشهيد محمد أباظة من باب السباع

32- الشهيد فيصل الطالب من باب السباع

33- الشهيد علي نجم من باب السباع

34- الشهيد عمر التلاوي

35- الشهيد الحاج أحمد الضبي 70 سنة من حي باباعمرو

36- الشهيد شريف كعدة / باب الدريب

37- الشهيد محمد عبدالرحمن العبدة من حي باب الدريب

38- الشهيد ايهم البيروتي من حي باب الدريب

39- الشهيد فادي كعدة من حي باب تدمر

40- الشهيد محمودالكحيل 50 سنة من عشيرة

41- الشهيد عدنان غليون 55 سنة من جب الجندلي

42- الشهيد فجرأحمد الضبي 65 سنة من حي جوبر

43- الشهيدة سميرة بنت عبدالله الشلبي / شارع الستين

44- الشهيدمحمدخالدالناصر23 سنة من البياضة

45- الشهيد محمدخالدالباشان النعيمي 23 سنة من دير بعلبه

46- الشهيد جاسم عفارة من حي المريجة

47- الشهيد عبدالمعطي حسن سنبل 37حي النازحين

48- الشهيد داوود سليمان الجاسم من شارع الوادي

49- الشهيد المجند يوسف الراعي من حي النزهة

50- الشهيد اكرم السلوم من الطائفة العلوية

درعا / الصنمين :

51- الشهيد زاهرضامن العيد الذي استشهد في حمص على يد عصابة الاسد

حماة :

52- الشهيد الناشط إبراهيم البرازي 36 سنة

53- الشهيد الطفل يوسف أحمد المواس 10 سنوات من كرناز

54- الشهيد مصطفى العبيد الملقب ابوأنس 50 سنة من كفر زيتا

إدلب :

55- الشهيد يونس المزود من خان شيخون

56- الشهيد محمودعمرعبدالرزاق من سرمين

57- الشهيد اسماعيل وليد تاج الدين من سرمين

58- الشهيد محمد يامن مطيع هرموش

يوم الثلاثاء : 18/10

حمص :

59- الشهيد أحمد العادل ابو جبل من القصير

60- ال شهيد عبدالله تامر سويدان من حي السبيل

البوكمال :

61- الشهيد أحمد ياسين الخضير23 سنة استشهد متأثرا بجراحه

ادلب / جبل الزاويا :

62- الشهيد محمد خلف من ابلين

درعا / مدينة الحراك :

63- الشهيد رافت خالد الديك

64- الشهيد محمد فواز البلوط

65- الشهيد جمال قداح

66- الشهيد ام محمد السلامات

67- الشهيد محمد عبد الحميد القداح

ريف دمشق / عربين :

68- الشهيد المهندس جابر عبد الهادي

بوم الأربعاء : 19/10

حمص :

69- الشهيد اسامة المنزلجي من حي النازحيين

70- الشهيد عبد الجبار المنزلجي من حي النازحيين

71- الشهيد عبد الرحمن المصري من حي النازحيين

72- الشهيد ماهر الحرامي من حي النازحيين

73- الشهيد عبد العزيز الخضير من حي النازحيين

74- الشهيد نضال الصباغ من حي النازحيين

75- الشهيد محمد خضير ميزو من حي النازحيين

76- الشهيد حسن حكيم من حي النازحيين

77- الشهيد وليد الحرفوش / حمص – النازحين /
الشهيد عبدالعزيز محمد المحمد / حمص – النازحين /
الشهيد عبدالقادر مطر / حمص – القصير /الشهيد وليد الحرفوش / حمص – النازحين /
الشهيد عبدالعزيز محمد المحمد / حمص – النازحين /
الشهيد عبدالقادر مطر / حمص – القصير /الشهيد وليد الحرفوش / حمص – النازحين /
الشهيد عبدالعزيز محمد المحمد / حمص – النازحين /
الشهيد عبدالقادر مطر / حمص – القصير /الشهيد وليد الحرفوش من حي النازحيين

78- الشهيد ايمن حداد من حي النازحيين

79- الشهيد ايمن حداد الاالللالشهيد ماهر منزلجي من حي النازحيين

80- الشهيد الشهيد عبد العزيز محمد المحمد من حي النازحيين

81- الشهالالشهيد عبد القادر مطر ابو رسلان من مدينة القصير

82- الشهيد عبد الله مغيزل 45 سنة من مدينة القصير

83- الشهيد أحمد علي العيسى 25 سنة من مدينة القصير/ قرية عرجون

84- الشهيد جهاد عبد الرزاق الرحيل 25 سنة من مدينة القصير/ قرية البرهانية

85- الشهيدة ناريمان الزغبي العامر 17 سنة من مدينة القصير/ قرية الجوسية

86- الشهيدة ربا الزغبي العامر11 سنة من مدينة القصير / قرية الجوسية

87- الشهيدة نور الزغبي العامر 15 سنة من مدينة القصير / قرية الجوسية

88- الشهيد زاخر راغب ادريس من المباركية

89- الشهيد صالح ياسين

90- شهيدة برصاص ميليشيات الاسد في قرية النزارية

ريف دمشق :

91- الشهيد المجند علاء عدنان الدعاس من دوما استشهد في حمص

92- الشهيد المجند عدي ناظم جديد من مضايا

93- الشهيد المجند فاروق خالد نخلة من سرغايا

ادلب :

94- الشهيد وائل محمد سعيد السرماني من خان شيخون

يوم الخميس : 20/10

حمص :

95- الشهيدة السيدة طفلة السليمة 55 سنة من البياضة

96- الشهيد رامي كنجو من كرم الزيتون

97- الشهيد محمد فلاحة من حي النازحيين

98- الشهيد محمد ديب عثمان من حي النازحين

99- الشهيد عبد الباسط الطويل من حي النازحيين

100- الشهيد حسان ابو نصوح الحموي من حي القصور

ريف دمشق / الميدان :

101- الشهيد المجند بلال طوغلي 19 سنة استشهد في حمص لرفضه اطلاق النار

102- الشهيد محمد سليم الحلبي 25 سنة من مدينة الضمير

إدلب / جبل شحشبو :

103- الشهيد عبد الفتاح العباس 65 سنة من قرية قوقفين

حلب :

104- الشهيد المجند حسام عبد القادر حمبكو من دار عزة

حماة :

105- الشهيد وائل غريب عيسى من سهل الغاب

106- الشهيد وائل كبيسي من منطقة جبرين

درعا :

107- الشهيد اسامة احمد الجلم من مدينة جاسم

108- الشهيد محمد سامي العامر ابو سامي من مدينة جاسم

109- الشهيد محمد عواد العيد من مدينة جاسم

جمعة شهداء المهلة العربية : 21/10/2011

حمص :

110- الشهيد محمد ديب عبد الرزاق الحميد من باب سباع

111- الشهيد منذر عبد الرزاق الحميد من باب سباع

112- الشهيد ايهاب ناصر الحميد من باب سباع

113- الشهيد عبيده حسون من باب سباع

114- الشهيد ماهر الابيض من باب سباع

115- الشهيد عمار جيرود من باب السباع

116- الشهيد محمد اسماعيل من باب السباع

117- الشهيد محمود الحموي من باب السباع

118- الشهيد جلال ديوب من باب السباع

119- الشهيد محمد نبيل السلوم 18 سنة من بابا عمرو

120- الشهيد محمد وليد السلوم 9 سنوات من بابا عمرو

121- الشهيد حسام ماهر الأبيض 18 سنة من باب هود

122- الشهيد أحمد شحود 60 سنة من حي جب الجندلي

123- الشهيد أحمد النجار من حي جب الجندلي

124- الشهيد حسين علي العوض الفاعوري جب الجندلي

125- الشهيد صهيب خالد الخلف من الحولة / شرطي استشهد في حمص

126- الشهيد رياض رحمون 33 سنة من حي عشيرة

127- الشهيد جورج مطانيوس داغر 50 سنة تقريبا / مسيحي من البياضة

128- الشهيد عبد الناصر الحسن استشهد في شارع الستين في البياضة

129- الشهيد بلال احمد الهامش من حي الخالدية استشهد تحت التعذيب

130- الشهيد رئيف محمود العتر 55 سنة تقريبا استشهد برصاص الغدر ورمي في نهر العاصي

131- الشهيد حسن عبد الرزاق العبد لله الحلبوني من مدينة كفرلاها

حماة :

132- الشهيد عبد الكريم مصطفى باكير من حي القصور

133- الشهيد زكريا عكام من حي القصور

134- الشهيد الحاج طه محمد الشيخ 80 سنة من كفر نبودة

ادلب :

135- الشهيد حمزة وحيد عبدو من مدينة اريحا

136- الشهيد فرحان صخر الحسين من سراقب

137- الشهيد إبراهيم عبد الرزاق الخنوس من معرة حرمة

ريف دمشق :

138- الشهيد جمال القوتلي ابو علي من سقبا

139- الشهيد محمد قويدر الملقب بالجدي عمره 71 سنة من عربين

يوم السبت : 22/10

حمص :

140- الشهيد الناشط عبد الرحيم ابراهيم نجيب الوفائي 40 سنة من حي القصور

141- الشهيد عبد العليم مفيد شلار عن عمر 21 من البياضة

142- الشهيد وائل العمار من جب الجندلي

143- الشهيد مازن عبد الجبار نجار 48 سنة استشهد عند دوارجسر الجامعة

144- الشهيد أحمد حسين جراد من باب الدريب

درعا :

145- الشهيد خلدون علي الحلقي من مدينة جاسم متأثرا بجراحه التي أصيب بها يوم الجمعة

حماة :

146- الشهيد المجند محمد عبد الحسيب عبيدان من كفر زيتا من مرتبات الفرقة الرابعة آثر محاولته الأنشقاق و رفضه اطلاق النار على اهله في كفربطنا

“they just won’t quit”
“all they have to do is to expedite their elaborate escape plans that are already in place”

How could it be both?

Dear Haytham Khoury
When do you think the regime say I want to hand the authority to the opposition?when he sees his death imminant. it will be too late to negotiate with the regime.read the history about Nero, emporer of Rome. in 11 year he burned Rome,and killed many of his people.
Bashar is the Nero of Syria.

Ghufran a.k.a Dr. AbuGhassan is clearly delusional, you despicable creature, what makes you think there are “militant” Islamist demands ? We believe inn Allah and the Last prophet, and if you don’t like then it ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BUDDY. Our way is peaceful and I recommend you to read AL RAHEEQ AL MAKTOUM of Darus Salam Publications, go to your nearest Islamic Store and grab a copy, its available in 8 languages, it is a biography of the Prophet (pbuh). Maybe after reading it you may want to revise some your stubborn, bigotted views, I pity you, you poor, poor thing.

We believe in the seerah of the Prophet, we do not hit first we use violence only in self-defence, get that into your surgeon’s head, try reading about the Battle of Badr and NBattle of Uhud, our ideals are the First Caliphates, actually you’ll be surprised to hear, during the Caliphate of Khalid ibn al Walid in Syria, Christians from Turkey and Armenia would migrate en-masse to Syria so as to live under the shade of Islamic rule even paying Jizya for it. We Muslims are not a bunch of bloodsuckers, we are soldoers of mercy, try reading a copy of Quran Karim with Tafseer Ibn Kathir and try buying a copy of Al Raheeq al Maktoum of darus Salam publications, it might help you, YOU ARE A SOUL IN NEED. Just feel free to walk in to any Salafi Mosque and clear your misconceptions.

You might also like to watch lectures by Dr. Abdul Raheem Green.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIURcB-YdNA&feature=related

And for those who have some allergy to words like “Wahhabi” and “Salafi” :

220. Dear Badr,
You said:
“they just won’t quit”
“all they have to do is to expedite their elaborate escape plans that are already in place”
How could it be both?”

I said: “should the regime decide to call it quits, all they have to do is to expedite their elaborate escape plans that are already in place”…………..which I do not belive they would do!
That sentence as a conditional one; should means If.
Hope that answers your question Badr, and thank you for seeking clarification.

Btw did any of you see the video I posted of Mufti Hassoun’s khutba, it is now apparent he is a closet Shia as he does not consider Amir Muawiyah as the rightful Amir-ul-Mumineen. Just spread the news, why are people not interested in this peice of news ? A Sunni Imam does not recognise Muawiya, how can he be Sunni ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LoMnUlXCMo

Clearly, Hassoun is insulting Muwaiyah, According to Sunni scholars like Dr. Zakir Naik, we should not curse even Yazeed. How dare Mufti Hassoun criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen Muawiyah ?

I’m disappointed that none of the Sunnis replied to this post, pls see the video for yourselves and see that Mufti Hassounis a closet Shia doing Taqiyah, how else does he criticise Amir-ul-Mumineen MUAWIYA ?

Also, TARA, are you ignoring me ? Have I offended you ? Pls forgive me, I’m in a heightened state of anger and excitement.

Why is nobody responding to my posts ?

Ghufran a.k.a Dr. AbuGhassan is clearly delusional, you despicable creature, what makes you think there are “militant” Islamist demands ? We believe inn Allah and the Last prophet, and if you don’t like then it ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BUDDY. Our way is peaceful and I recommend you to read AL RAHEEQ AL MAKTOUM of Darus Salam Publications, go to your nearest Islamic Store and grab a copy, its available in 8 languages, it is a biography of the Prophet (pbuh). Maybe after reading it you may want to revise some your stubborn, bigotted views, I pity you, you poor, poor thing.

We believe in the seerah of the Prophet, we do not hit first we use violence only in self-defence, get that into your surgeon’s head, try reading about the Battle of Badr and NBattle of Uhud, our ideals are the First Caliphates, actually you’ll be surprised to hear, during the Caliphate of Khalid ibn al Walid in Syria, Christians from Turkey and Armenia would migrate en-masse to Syria so as to live under the shade of Islamic rule even paying Jizya for it. We Muslims are not a bunch of bloodsuckers, we are soldoers of mercy, try reading a copy of Quran Karim with Tafseer Ibn Kathir and try buying a copy of Al Raheeq al Maktoum of darus Salam publications, it might help you, YOU ARE A SOUL IN NEED. Just feel free to walk in to any Salafi Mosque and clear your misconceptions.

You might also like to watch lectures by Dr. Abdul Raheem Green.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIURcB-YdNA&feature=related

And for those who have some allergy to words like “Wahhabi” and “Salafi” :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BqQStL4P0k&feature=related

WHY IS NOBODY REPLYING TO MY POSTS ? Are my posts visible on the blog ?

Ahmadinejad To Fareed Zakaria: Iran Will Encourage Syria To ‘Reach An Understanding’ With Protesters

October 22nd, 2011

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ahmadinejad-to-fareed-zakaria-iran-will-encourage-syria-to-reach-an-understanding-with-protesters/

It’s been an earth-shattering week for Middle Eastern dictators, and with the fall of Muammar Gaddafi, many in the region are turning their eyes towards Syria’s Bashar al-Assad and Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, as their people continue to struggle (though less violently) from within to free themselves from their regime. Ahmadinejad, meanwhile, is doing a round of media in America, talking to Fareed Zakaria in an interview airing tomorrow on CNN, and asking that the international community respect Syria’s relationship with its citizens.

While the full interview will air on Fareed Zakaria GPS tomorrow, CNN has released a clip today of the dictator, clad in his typically unassuming business suit and adding “dad glasses” to his attire, speaking softly about the trouble with the United States’ claims that the Syrian government should stop torturing and brutalizing its citizens. Confronted by Zakaria with the fact that “the vast majority of deaths [in Syria] are the security forces killing innocent men, women, and children,” Ahmadinejad replies reasonably that he believes “nobody should kill the other,” but that the situation wasn’t so simple:

“Nobody, nobody, nobody has the right… instead of capturing or arresting people, they should have [heard] the voice. They should listen to the people and they have things to say. And they should pay attention to the demands and requirements. We say that governments must be responsible for the requirements and desires of their own people, the security of the people and their rights. And these are — this is general for Iran, for Libya, for Syria, for Europe, United States, Africa, everywhere. And this is a general rule for all. We have announced that many times.”

He continued to add that Iran was going to “make greater efforts to encourage both the government of Syria and the other side, all parties, to reach an understanding,” but that he did not see a role for the United States. Turning to Libya, he argued that the situation could have been remedied in a more appropriate manner, but NATO “wanted the oil resources in Libya. There was no need to kill so many people,” he concluded, a lament that he seems to have forgotten to make while Gaddafi was winning the civil war.

Shrek,
I am glad you remember I corrected you in your blind belief that the “Lesbian of Damascus” could be a genuine woman in Damascus, notwithstanding the contradictions one could notice from post to post and even more, the literary style.
English is not my native language, and even though I can claim some British ancestors, I am glad they left the degenerated island a long time ago, like yours.

10 Soldiers defected and joined the FSA in Saqba, Damascus today.
22/10/2011
http://www.facebook.com/Youth.Syria.Freedom

حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
أموي مبـْـْاشر سوريا #syria •◄ الجيش السوري الحر | كتيبة أبي عبيدة بن الجراح :: سقبا: انشقاق عشرة من الجيش وانصمامهم لكتيبة ابو عبيدة وهم في مكان امن الآن
36 minutes ago

It’s interesting to see that more than half of the names on that list they produced have the people their owner criminal militias kidnapped and killed by shooting, torturing or simply RPG with the terrorists themselves who did the attacks…and they want people to believe their lies..
Isn’t interesting that the makeup dude who publish this list is the same dude who glorify the crimes done by those terrorists along with his doctor friends!..
حمص : العثور على جثث جورج داغر – خيرالله عاصي – يحيى حديد اغتيلوا باغصان الزيتون !! 22-10-2011
http://youtu.be/eJpGRkWYoAk

A group of officer and soldier defectors have regrouped and announced the formation of a phalange.
– It was named after Martyr Ahmad AlKhalaf
– Deployment: Southern sector, Governorate of Dar3a
– Leader is artillary officer Shareef AlKayed.

أوغاريت بيان تشكيلة كتيبة الشهيد احمد الخلف حوران 22 10 2011

William Scott Scherk

Sorry, This was a bit hard to find in the pile of articles published about Syria every day, but I finally found it 🙂

Those are scans of the actual decree.

http://all4syria.info/web/archives/32195

Regards.

A battle with Jr’s Mob forces has just ended with the defection of 30 of their elements and the wounding of 4 of the Free Syrian Army.
22/11/2011
http://www.facebook.com/UgaritNEWS

Ugarit News | أوغاريت الإخبارية
أوغاريت || جبل الزاوية إدلب :: اشتباكات عنيفه في قرية الرامي بين الجيش الحروالجيش الأسدي انتهى من لحظات واسفرعن انشقاق 30عسكري وجرح اربع عساكر من جيشنا الحر …

55 minutes ago

Alistair Crooke’s article in the Atimes is for me the best piece yet written on the Syrian situation. Finally someone who has authority dares speak up.

William Scott Scherk

By the way, that decree was not “obscure and unpublicized”, it was published in all official news papers and most online news outlets.

A security agent who works at Damascus international airport, and who is sympathetic to the revolution has leaked the following inside information:
1. There has been a steady level exodus of groups families of the high circle of the regime at the rate of 2 to 3 times a month.

Their names were mostly unknown to him since they bypassed regular security checks.

3. Lst week nearly 20 families left for Russia, carrying massive luggage and in the company of security guards, requiring an entire airplane

4. The names of four of the families, as given by an airport officer were:
– Ali Mamlook’s family
– An Assad family, probably uncle’s
– Saleh family
– Darwish family.

22/10/2011
أموي مباشر – Omawi Live
http://www.facebook.com/OmawiLive?sk=wall

أموي مباشر سوريا #syria •◄ عاااجل و هااام جداا .. خاص قناة أموي ::
في اتصال قبل قليل عبر سكايب مع مراسلنا في دمشق ,
أكد لنا المراسل انه التقى بالامس 21-10-2011 مع احد عناصر الأمن الشرفاء في زيارة مرضية في منزله , وهذا العنصر يعمل في مطار دمشق الدولي , حيث أكد على أنه خلال الاسبوع الماضي , هاجرت عوائل ضباط كبار في الجيش وعلى ما يبدو هروب جماعي لهذه العوائل , وقدرها العنصر بأكثر من عشرين عائلة , واغلبها اتجهت الى روسيا حسب ما قال له احد اصدقاءه العناصر في المطار , واكد العنصر على أن ما جعله يعتقد بأن هذه العوائل سافرت الى اجل غير معلوم , هو كمية الحقائب الكبيرة التي كانت معهم والتي احتاجت الى طائرة شحن مدنية خاصة بها , بالاضافة الى اطقم الحراسة الشخصية , وعندما سأل مراسلنا , ذلك العنصر عن اسماء العوائل , اكد لنا على انه تعرف الى عدد من العوائل من احد الضباط , نظرا لأن سفر هذه العوائل يتم بدون اخذ بياناتها في المطار وأكد على أن عائلة اللواء علي مملوك رئيس المخابرات من بين تلك العوائل , بالاضافة الى عائلة من بيت الأسد , على ما يبدو لاولاد عموميتهم وعائلة أخرى من بيت الصالح وثانية من بيت الدرويش … وباقي العوائل لم يتسنى له معرفتها نظرا للسرية الكبيرة على عملية سفرهم .

كما اشار عنصر الأمن , الى أن هذه الهجرة لعوائل ضباط كبار في الجيش , تتم مرتين او ثلاث مرات في الشهر , وتكون سرية , ودون المرور على مركز الجوازات في المطار , او حتى الدخول لمبنى المطار , فقط مباشرة من السيارة الى الطائرة برفقة الحراسة الشخصية .

انتهى الى هنا ما قاله المراسل , وفقه الله لكل خير .
والخبر نقلناه كما وصلنا وندع التحليلات لكم .

15 minutes ago

Khaled

I am not ignoring you. I just wish you tune down your sentiment about Shiaa. For our friend Mundas if for nothing else. I know you sound sectarian but something tell me you don’t mean what you say.

I am actually grateful to you that you defended me once and I thought of you some days ago when a deranged being was bothering me. I run to OTW blog when I want to cry and you may want to visit. Your apparent sectarian views will be changed to more tolerant ones there.

One more thing I want to say to you. I do agree that the extreme Sunni’s tolerance is what got us here. We should never allow a similar army structure in the future. The army sided with the people in Tunisia and Egypt but against them in Syria because of its Alawi composition. We should work for co existence but never blindly. We should learn from history.

Memo To: REVLON

RE: “…a group of officer and soldier defectors…”

Excellent!

Even if the defections are not true…or exaggerated…the constant news about defections…and of battles fought between Besho’s Boys and the FSA…all this is like a continuously menacing drumbeat of impending doom. It will prompt more and more soldiers to run away.

Poor Besho. He’s a dead man walking. And he’s the only man in Syria who doesn’t know it. Even Asma must know it’s hopeless.

Tara, at a time like this we mus stcik with our won and turn to religfion – we msut seek inspiration from the Qur’an and Sunnah at trying times like this. You can see that nobody is with us. In August Turkey gave Junior 21 days to stop blooshed, which was in reality 21 days to “end this thing”. It failed, both ways, in that neither were demonstrations ended, nor was blooshed stopped. Turkey was forced to eat its own words. And now the Arab League led by hpyocrotes such as Qatar, KSA, Egypt, Algeria have given Besho “15 days to stop blooshed” which again means “15 days to end this thing and crush Homs”. Agian its failing, they killed 350 in Homs in 1 SINGLE DAY in April, these bloody fools think they can win, 9 Yes the Arab League and Turkey IS siding wuith Besho). I bet after 15 days we won;t hear from the AL again. So we must take inspiration from our religion. Have you heard about AL RAHEEQ AL MAKTOUM ? Its a biography of Prophet, I think its a must-read for every Thawraj, Tara and others, pls read the Battle of BADR AND bATTLE OF uHUD, YOU WILL KNOW WHAT i MAEN.

237. Dale Andersen said:

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“Even if the defections are not true”

So if they aren’t true, who are the guys in the videos wearing camouflage battle dress, holding AKs, RPGs and waving their IDs ? Just who do you think they are Mister ?

Dear Majed #221:
I am not saying that the regime will come tomorrow to negotiate its departure.

I was arguing against the principal of dictating on SNC what to do. When you chose an entity to represent you and lead your fight (which must be mainly political), you should leave them work.

The AL initiative came to break the deadlock that the Russian wanted to prolong the life of the regime. Do you say no for it?

Politics is a game of intelligence, manoeuvring and power of will. Let them play the game. Without playing the game no Arabic or international power will come to your side.

Also TARA do not forget that it was religious guys who were the core of the Libyan rebel Army who fought Gaddafi’s people street to street and alley-to-alley, it were religious people all along, with beards and all. they took horrific casualties but still they came on So don;t underestimate our strength and commitment.

IMHO we should take the same approach towards this entire issue in Syria in the same way the Mujahideen did in Afghanistan against the Sovoets.

One week to go before the 15 days deadline that the AL gave to the Assad junta, expires.
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Amir,

The AL are a bunch of self-serving hypocrites, just like Erdogan. They gave Besho 15 days to “finish this thing”, i.e, crush Homs and Rastan, just like Erdogan the bastard gave Besho time to subdue Hama and Deirezzour in back in Ramadan. Trust me, all these guys ( Arab League and Turks) with the exception of Libya, HATE the Syrian revolutionaries, they are all dark reactionaries and they love to see freeedom-loving people die, its in their blood. And even if AL suspended Syria what benefit will it bring ? Jyst as ymbolic gesture.

This will be won only by BLOOD AND IRON.

In year 2000 a national referendum was held in Syria on the question of whether Bashar Assad should succeed Hafez Assad as president. Turnout for the referendum was huge and 97 percent voted Yes. Specifically, 8.93 million eligible voters cast votes, which was a 95 percent turnout, and 8.69 million voted Yes. In year 2007 a national referendum was held on the question of whether to renew Bashar for a second 7-year term as president. In the 2007 referendum 95 percent of the eligible voters turned out to the polling booths (wow!) and 98 percent of these voted Yes. In the years since 2007 Bashar has not done anything notably unpopular. So you are compelled to assume that he retains the bulk of his political popularity. The various facts of this year’s Events do not provide a basis from which to throw doubt on the correctness of the assumption that he’s very very popular.

Bashar in turn represents a much bigger government which in turn represents a much bigger social Establishment in Syria. The Syrian Establishment solidly supports this particular government. You can’t show me any signs of the Establishment fracturing. Therefore next year’s competitive parliamentary election campaign will consist of the Establishment’s party campaigning against sundry semi-anonymous and semi-disreputable dissident parties. The dissidents — e.g. Louay Hussein — are telling us today that they’ll be trying to win votes without trying to articulate a distinctive policy agenda that’s richer than “down with the regime”. In particular, it looks like the dissidents’ main plan for trying to win votes in 2012 — their plan for changing the minds of most of the people who voted for the regime in 2000 and 2007 — is to argue that the regime authorized atrocities against peaceful demonstrators in 2011. The Syrian people have heard that allegation about atrocities repeatedly and they don’t believe it. The Syrian people have every reason to believe, and do believe, that the story of authorized security forces atrocities is a scurrilous slander disseminated by dissident cranks and foreign anti-Syrians. Regardless of whether you yourself believe those scurrilous stories, it is a fact that most of the Syrian people do not believe them. Thus we must expect the Establishment’s party to win the parliamentary elections by a very comfortable margin (at least as wide a margin as the Mubarak’s party used to win by in Egypt under somewhat comparable circumstances).

Bronco@136

I do not see Bashar as a “benevolent” dictator at all.  I completely agree with Haytham’s assessment.  I  know Bashar well.  He did have very nice down to earth personality.  He was an individual with average intelligent whose personality was always overshadowed by the more handsome, the more athletic, stronger personality of Basel.   He probably meant well initially.  However, due to his weak personality and lack of leadership skills, he was not able to impose his own style running the country.  I don ‘t even know if he has his own style.  He probably did not know how to run a country.  Let us face it and dissect his education a bit.  He went to med school in Syria for 6 years then did 2 or 3 yers of residency training in Ophthalmology in London.  You get no real “education” going to med school.  You learn physiology, anatomy, pharmacology, etc.  You don’t become “western educated” individual by doing residency training in London or any where else for that matter.  You are stuck in a hospital, days and nights taking care of patients.  He probably read one hundredth of the books you, yourself read.  Then he suddenly became a president….

His nice personality did disappear with minimal difficulties.  And as Haytham said, he resorted to   brutality and ruthlessness drawing from his late father experience crushing Hama in 1982 as he acquired no other experience during these 11years.  In regard to his apparent composure during interviews, it is not that difficult to look and sound composed, decisive, and even smart in scripted controlled interviews.  GWB was even of less intelligence but did not sound that terrible during scripted interviews neither did Mrs. Busch.

Also, Bashar is completely different generation than Moubarak and Quaddafi.  Of course, he does look much more civil than either one but does he look ” more civil” than Seif al Islsm before Seif showed his true color?        

Few notes here.

The western media and especially the American ones, stopped reporting anything about Syria in the last week, there is no reports on Syria on the CNN, FOX news or France 24, therefore there is one of two reasons to explain this!
Either the news is not trusting the reports getting out of Syria from both sides which is a very well possibility! or the state department asked them secretly to shut up for now because they are having a deal with the regime therefore, no need for more rhetoric and noise on TV.
It is clear that Ambassador Ford informed Ms. Hillary that their tactic is not working and the only response he is getting out of Damascus is in organic tomato and good quality eggs.
I would like to Reiterate to those ones who keep writing trash and insulting comments to many people AKA K.T who may be = Aboud to stop this trash and let us read useful information on this blog, i hope Alex takes charge and delete such abusive comment listed by KT.
Although it is a free speech blog but when freedom becomes irresponsible, it turns into uncivil discussion with no meaningful reason to post.
HK doesn’t use foul language but he is very irritating in his repeat posts which gives him the highest thumb down followed only by KT. it amazing that the same people always get the highest thumb down or the highest thumb up that says lots about people Agenda here.

Although, many people are rejecting the outside intervention which has to be westerner type to avoid the bloodshed like Libya, Iraq, Lebanon styles, but no one saying that these new reformed countries including Tunisia are heading backward into the Islamsits hands or a Turkish style trashy MB hidden style.

BTW when is the turn for the gulf countries reform? when the USA is going to give millions of $ to the opposition in KSA? so they stop abusing women, children, foreigners and other races….
I guess the west is ok with these PIGS in the gulf countries behaviors as long as it is under the Islamic rules and Sharia… unless they are visiting Lasvegas or other SIN cities then their behavior is forgotten when they return to KSA by the Imams there.
The decrees issues by these PIGS should send them to the Hague for criminal against women, children and other.

Finally am I missing something or the only two women we have here are the Famous Tara and Anne, where are the women to participate in the new Syria?
I am not sure if any is involved in the SNC or we are surrendering to KT and putting the female gender back in the stone age as it planned for Syria to go backward for centuries to come, you all notice that Israel is becoming a leader in the 21st century technologically and in science even surpasses many states in the USA but the Arab world still fighting and listening to idiots called Imams and PIGS called Sheiks who are saying that woman can’t browse the internet if her husband is not sitting next to her!!!! HAHAHA i love you KT go to hell dude!

Sorry if i said a lot but it is a due diligent on my part.

Wish Ehsani was still around

http://bit.ly/o9sTqX

Syria says it spent $3 billion on pound defense since revolt
October 22, 2011 12:56 AM
By Massoud A. Derhally

BEIRUT: Syria has spent about $3 billion defending its currency and financing trade since the start of an uprising seven months ago against the rule of President Bashar Assad, said Adib Mayaleh, governor of the central bank.

The money was from a government fund created in 2007 that had $5 billion when the revolt began, Mayaleh said by phone from Damascus Friday. The pound is stable and the central bank’s foreign-currency reserves remain at about $18 billion, he said.

“The market is constantly changing and we’ve had to finance external trade, so we’ve spent about $3 billion from the fund,” Mayaleh said. “There is confidence in the currency and our ability to manage this crisis in the central bank.”

Protests against Assad’s rule have swept Syria since mid-March, inspired by the uprisings earlier this year that ousted Egypt’s and Tunisia’s longtime rulers. Assad and the government have blamed the unrest on Islamic militants and foreign provocateurs. He has used tanks, armored vehicles and artillery to crush the most serious threat to his family’s 40-year rule, rejecting U.S. and European demands for him to resign.

The European Union expanded sanctions against Syria Oct. 13 in a push to end the crackdown on demonstrators, freezing the EU assets of the state-owned Commercial Bank of Syria. The U.S. also targeted the Commercial Bank of Syria and a subsidiary, banned the import of Syrian petroleum products, and cut Syria’s access to the U.S. financial system.

Mayaleh dismissed the possibility that the Syrian economy may collapse as the uprising approaches the one-year mark.

“So many have speculated, and we’ve seen many rumors, about people’s wages not being paid or that the Central Bank has a shortage of banknotes,” Mayaleh said. “These are all rumors to try to scare citizens. It’s psychological warfare.”

He said that if the government was short of cash it wouldn’t have helped finance a $1 billion project to produce electricity in the country this month.

Mayaleh said that while there are no shortages of products in Syria and prices are stable, the international sanctions have affected the operations of Commercial Bank, the country’s largest, and the central bank, which no longer uses the dollar.

“We’re not living on another planet,” he said. “Yes, of course they will.”

The central bank is now using Arab currencies, the Chinese yuan, the Russian ruble and euro, he said, adding that if the EU bans Syria from using its single currency the government will take steps to get around such currency restrictions.

Growth in Syria’s $60 billion economy is expected to slow to about 1 percent this year from 5.5 percent in 2010, Finance Minister Mohammad al-Jleilati said in a Sept. 7 interview. The International Monetary Fund forecasts the economy will contract 2 percent this year, while the Institute of International Finance said it may shrink 3 percent.

“The sanctions are having an impact, foreign currency is going down perhaps not at as fast a rate as some pessimists think,” Chris Phillips, an analyst at the Economist Intelligence Unit in London, said Friday by phone. “The Syrian economy is certainly contracting at the moment. There is far less economic activity, sanctions are affecting trade and they are trying to reorder the economy around the countries they are still allied with, like Russia and China.”

Tourism, which accounts for about 10 percent of gross domestic product, is slumping, with hotel-occupancy rates of almost zero in Damascus, the capital, and Aleppo, Phillips said.

As the uprising continues, “a lot depends on the reaction of the public to increased hard times and the reaction of the business community,” Phillips said. “The big question is whether or not the current public will put up with a deteriorating situation, having tasted a degree of economic openness and access to foreign consumer goods, and turn on the regime.”

Khaled

I desire no mujahedene style in Syria. I do not want a Syrian Taliban or Iranan theocracy declaring me kafira if I do not cover my hair, dress or behave a certain way. I am not saying don’t be religious. Be as much religious as you see fit and leave others live their life the way they see fit

All Syrians aught to read this link, especially those who have applauded the demise of Khaddafi in Libya. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=666

247. Hans said:

“Finally am I missing something or the only two women we have here are the Famous Tara and Anne, where are the women to participate in the new Syria?
I am not sure if any is involved in the SNC or we are surrendering to KT and putting the female gender back in the stone age”

Islam has a positive attitude on the role of women in society, we have as our examples the Ummaatul-Mumineen like Aisha, Khadija, etc. and Fatima Zahra, etc.

And btw the Saudis & co. are your friends they have already made deals with you just like the Americans and Israelis but WE will continue to fight I DARE your Sharmout President’s mother to do what he can. You are right that the International commuinity has abandoned our cause totally but when did they matter ? We believe in Qur’an and Sunnah and we are continuing the fight, I dare the sharmouta Anissa Makhlif to prove otheriwise, you had to kill 45 ppl yesterday we just proves that we are far from finished, WE DO NOT NEED ANYBPDY’S HELP, we are Mu’mineen of Allah and Rasoul, Allah is enough for us, we won badr, we won Uhud, we won Khaybar, we are unstoppable. Nothing except total extermination can stop us so I dare your TABBAT YADA ABI LAHAB to try to exterminate us.

Btw women are fully involved in the revolutionary activities – just a random demonstration in Homs 2 days ago ( while the city was being pounded from all sides)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8rfc_uxzKg&feature=player_embedded

Homs is far from subdued, as Aboud siad, you can NEVER subdue Homs.

And Fridays’ demonstartions were HUGE –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGlDMfTefp4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8583vdD-rKM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Wido15XIg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMFNNxHww3U&feature=related

As you can well see, the enthusiasm of the people hasn’t dampened, despite the fact that they are alone against Besho ( and they know it)

Tara, as I said , start reading Al Raheeq al Maktoum, you will know what I try to say.

NK at 234 — I appreciate the correction. Syrians inside will certainly confirm the publication of this decree. If this decree is not obscure and was well-publicized, this is also a very important note. Syrians outside may, like me, have missed the proclamation, but I understand that it will come as no surprise to an informed Syrian that Louay Hussein is prohibited from forming or joining a political party, then.

That said, I think a focus on one particular part of one particular article (376) — and thence to compare it to Western nations — is unfair and unwarranted, a false analogy.

In France, for example, as Haytham points out, it is indeed illegal to insult the President of the Republic.

But I would think what is important in that case is to make a proper comparison: what are the penalties, how is the law used, how often is the law applied? Most importantly, however, is whether or not the law is used arbitrarily, and of course, whether it sits alone as a relic of another age (France’s law dates to the 1880s) or as a tool of wholesale repression of political dissent. Is such a law used to repress normal political discourse? Is it used to jail or intimidate those who report official misconduct?

In France of course, there has not been a successful prosecution of anyone in recent years. The lone offence that led the news in France in June 2010 did not result in a fine (in 2000 the law was amended to remove imprisonment as a penalty).

A review of European laws and the status of prosecutions is very instructive. See this brief comparative survey from PEN International: http://www.internationalpen.org.uk/files/dmfile/defamationeurope.pdf

Here, a lengthier report from the World Press Freedom Committee, Hiding From the People: http://www.wpfc.org/site/docs/pdf/Publications/Hiding%20From%20The%20People-English.pdf

Finally, if we can defend the suite of repressive Syrian lèse majesté (“wounding majesty!”) laws listed by NK, I think one can do much better than to irritably point to a monstrous theocratic dictatorship like Saudi or similarly repressive regime. Saying “compare the laws on this subject in the ME countries, then you can criticize Syria” seems like a dodge, because of its implied thesis: if it is good enough for Saudi, it is good enough for Syria.

I must thank Jad for initiating my analysis, with his remarkable post at 74; when he wrote of “Mr Louai’s courage,” I thought, Just what makes Louay Hussein courageous?

I commend Alex, sincerely, for initiating this interview. It augurs well for a series of similar interviews with other opposition figures. I note in passing that this Syria Comment post has resulted in a flurry of international repostings in the blogosphere and news aggregators, far more than any other recent Syria Comment post. This is excellent!

Considering that the Syria Comment community contains figures with direct contact with other notable figures in the opposition, I trust that Alex will take full advantage, and is presently in discussion with other figures. I urge everyone who has such contacts to assist Alex in facilitating such interviews, especially those who disdain Alex’s analyses and stances.

To Khaled Tlass, who in posts 216 and 217 plaintively asks why he has not received approbation for his recent post, I offer my opinion: because the overwhelming majority of commenters here find your sectarian hysteria and your rampant insults repulsive and shameful.

Please pay attention to the rules, Khaled. Statements such as Dr. Ghufran a.k.a AbuGhassan is clearly delusional, you despicable creature are foul and intolerable.

Ahmadinejad playing “civil”.  I am not impressed.  

11 killed in Syria as Tehran ups pressure on Damascus
AFP – 3 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.com/3-killed-syria-tehran-ups-pressure-damascus-173429473.html

Syria’s military clampdown on protest hubs, and skirmishes pitting soldiers against armed gunmen, believed to be defectors, killed at least 11 people dead on Saturday, activists said.
Meanwhile, Iran, Syria’s key ally, took a tougher stance against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, openly condemning its crackdown on dissent that has left more than 3,000 people dead, most of them civilians, according to the United Nations.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad condemned the “killings and massacre” in Syria in an interview with CNN, in the Islamic republic’s strongest criticism of its neighbour’s deadly repression of protests calling for greater freedom and the fall of the Assad regime.
“We condemn killings and massacre in Syria, whether it is security forces being killed or people and the opposition,” Ahmadinejad said, according to excerpts of the interview carried by the website of Iran’s state broadcaster.
“We have a clear formula for Syria and that is for all sides to sit together and reach an understanding … therefore these killings cannot solve any problems and in the long term it will lead to a deadlock,” he added.
“When people are being killed, it paves the way for more quarrels … There should be no foreign interference (in Syria),” Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in what appeared to be an indirect warning to Washington.
The United States has repeatedly called for the UN Security Council to impose sanctions on Damascus and was strongly critical of vetoes by China and Russia earlier this month of even a watered-down draft threatening “targeted measures.”
Tehran has been concerned about the possible collapse of its principal Middle East ally and had previously avoided speaking out against the regime’s deadly crackdown, accusing instead its traditional foes Israel and the United States of stirring up trouble in Syria.
A shift in Iran could bode poorly for Assad’s regime, which already lost the support of Turkey, one of its treasured allies in the region, over the violence of its security forces against a primarily peaceful protest movement despite recent reports of mounting armed resistance.
Clashes between the army and gunmen believed to be defectors on Saturday left one person dead in the northwestern province of Idlib, near Turkey, the rights groups said.
In Sermeen, also in Idlib, “a military conscript on leave visiting his family, was shot in the head by a sniper,” the Observatory said.
Meanwhile, fighting in the flashpoint central city of Homs, focal point of a military clampdown this week, left an officer and two members of security forces dead, the Observatory said.
And in the southern province of Daraa, birthplace of the opposition, security forces “opened fire to disperse a demonstration, killing one citizen.”
The civilian death toll in Homs was higher.
“The number of civilians who joined the caravan of martyrs of the revolution rose to six,” in Homs, the Observatory said, adding the toll included one person who succumbed to wounds sustained the previous day.
The Britain-based watchdog said 114 civilians have been killed in Homs since the beginning of October and that at least 2,100 have been thrown behind bars.
On Saturday, on the outskirts of Damascus, “almost 5,000 members of the Syrian army and security forces stormed the districts of Zamalka, Hammuriyeh, Kafar Batna, Saqba, Erbine and Harasta, arresting dozens of residents.”
Pro-democracy activists called for fresh demonstrations on Sunday under the banner “It is your turn,” a reference to Assad, expressing their hope he will become the next Arab leader to fall.
“It seems that the death of Kadhafi closed a chapter,” Jean-Yves Moisseron, a regional expert at France’s Institute of Development Research, told AFP.
“If the situation stabilises in Libya, the pressure on Bashar al-Assad will be extremely strong,” he said.
State media was mum about the death of Kadhafi, the third Arab leader overthrown by popular revolts this year.

Two things would love to read on Syria comment. One, CVs of those opposition names always tossed, including positions and career briefs. Two, what are the most pressing issues Syrian immigrants or exiles faces today with Baathist difficulties and bureaucratic nightmare. The first will help unifying and taking stocks of the personality out there, the second will help set agenda that Syrians abroad, fifteen plus millions of them can benefits in the end. And there is going to be one.

There’s a joke making the rounds in the Middle East these days: Three of Egypt’s former presidents, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Anwar al-Sadat and Hosni Mubarak, meet in hell and ask each other how they fell.
 
Nasser replies “poison”; Sadat says “assassination”; and Mubarak answers “Al Jazeera.”

Qatar’s source of Arab Springs
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-260405-qatars-source-of-arab-springs.html

So, while the Arab Spring has been a genuine popular uprising against decades of corrupt and oppressive authoritarian regimes, its rapid spread, which caught almost everyone by surprise, was due in part to the influence of Al Jazeera, which became the voice of the voiceless throughout the Middle East. As for Qatar itself, Al Thani provided various forms of support to all of the Arab revolutions, except in Bahrain, where the Saudis and, more pointedly, the Americans, drew a very sharp red line. Al Thani’s political audacity stems partly from Qatar’s enormous gas resources, which have allowed him to develop vigorous policies in all areas, especially foreign affairs. Protecting himself and Qatar by hosting the largest American military base outside the United States, his strategy has been to wrest control from regional third parties, such as the Saudis, who might otherwise dominate the smaller Gulf States. At the same time, Qatar has created strong links with both Israel and many Islamist movements, including Hamas and Hezbollah.

It has been an aggressive and risky foreign policy, but Al Thani clearly believes that he can fill a regional leadership vacuum. His support, via Al Jazeera, of the Arab Spring’s revolutions — and of the new generation of leaders that they have spawned — has only strengthened Qatar’s position.

The falling regimes consistently maintained that Al Jazeera wasn’t neutral. They were right.

هل سيتقاسم النظام والأخوان كعكة “الديمقراطية”؟!
الكاتب بسام القاضي
23/ 10/ 2011

من لا يعترف عمليا في برنامجه بالتساوي في الحقوق والواجبات بين كل شخص في سورية، أيا كان دينه أو اعتقاده أو جنسه أو قوميته أو.. هو عدو أصيل للديمقراطية والمواطنة وحقوق الإنسان…

فالمفاهيم الثلاثة نشأت وتطورت بناء على الحق المتساوي بين جميع الأفراد، أيا كانت اعتباراتهم الشخصية، وفي اللحظة التي بات فيها الفرد هو الأساس. والفرصة المتساوية التي تعتمد فقط على معيار الكفاءة واحتياجات الفرصة نفسها.

الأخوان المجرمون والسلفيون ومن لف لفهم يرفضون بإطلاق هذه المساواة بين “المسلمين” وغيرهم (مسيحيين، دروز، يزيديين…)..

فهم مصرون على إبقاء البند الأول من المادة الثالثة من الدستور السوري التي تشكل انتهاكا صريحا ومباشرا لأساس المواطنة. فتقييد منصب رئيس الجمهورية بأن يكون مسلما، هو إقصاء مسبق لغير المسلمين. (وهو “رجل” بالضرورة!)
وهم مصرون على تغيير البند الثاني من المادة نفسها ليصير الإسلام هو “الـ”مصدر الرئيسي للتشريع. بل حتى “مصدر التشريع”، بحيث تكون رؤاهم الظلامية هي الحاكمة على حياة السوريين والسوريات، بما يشبه ما يجري في سعودية المطاوعة، أو أفغان طالبان.. واختلافهم عن القاعدة من لف لفها يتجسد فقط في مستوى التكفير والعنف الذي يدعمونه. وفي تقيدهم بتنفيذ تصوراتهم ضمن حدود “البلد” الذي هم فيه.

ويرفضونها بين النساء والرجال..
فقد عبروا مرارا وتكرارا عن أن رؤيتهم “الشرعية” هي الحاكمة في الحياة المدنية اليوم. ولم يتوانى زهير سالم عن انتقاد حتى مشروع الأحوال الشخصية الطالباني الذي ظهر في سورية منتصف 2009، ليعتبره “مراعاة للطلبات الأمريكية”! فإذا كان ذلك المشروع الطالباني الذي كان صريحا في اعتبار المسيحيين “ذميين وكتابيين”، واعتبار الدروز “دينا آخر”، وتحويل النساء إلى جاريات لذكور بعمامات إلى حد حرمانهن من أي حق سوى “حق” الطعام والشراب والكساء والسكن التي يمن بها الذكر عليهن، وتشريع اغتصاب الطفلات باسم “الزواج”، وتشريع “الحسبة” التي تعني حق هؤلاء المجرمين وغيرهم برفع دعوى على أي سوري أو سورية بتهمة “الردة”، والعمل على تطليقه من زوجته (زوجها) بهذه الحجة!! وغير ذلك الكثير..

ويرفضونها بين الدينيين واللادينيين…..
فالناس، في نهاية مطاف الأخوان، ينقسمون إلى “مؤمنين بأحد الأديان الثلاثة الشهيرة: إسلام، مسيحية، يهودية”، و”كفرة أو مرتدين”. ولا يحتاج إلى شرح ما يترتب على هذا التقسيم من انتهاك صريح ومباشر لحقوق المواطنة لكل من يعتبرونه “كافر أو مرتد”..

النظام أيضا يرفض هذه المساواة، فقد أكد خلال العقد الماضي “مراعاته” المطلقة للأصولية الدينية، بدءا من رفضه إلغاء المادة 548 من قانون العقوبات التي لا تستقيم مواطنة بوجودها، مرورا برفضه تعديل قانون الجنسية الذي يعتبر الوطن هو وطن “الذكور وأولادهم”، وليس انتهاء بإبقائه المادة 3 من الدستور. وتجلى هذا الرفض في جل حيثيات الحياة اليومية في سورية، خاصة في مواجهة النساء واللادينيين، وفي تهميش وإقصاء الثقافة المدنية العلمانية، ومحاربتها بكافة الوسائل المتاحة.

واليوم، يتصاعد الحديث عن “طاولة حوار” تجمع الجميع ما عدا “من يؤيد التدخل الخارجي”. وهي طاولة حوار “سياسية” من الظاهر، لكنها مجتمعية في الحقيقة. أي أن أهدافها المتوخاة من الجميع، لا تقتصر على “كرسي وزارة”، أو حتى “كرسي رئيس”، أي الجانب السياسي، بل تمتد لتشمل كافة مناحي الحياة، القوانين كلها، الإدراة كلها، الممارسة المؤسساتية كلها…

ويبدو واضحا أن النظام لا يمانع أبدا من مقايضة حقوق المواطنة مرة أخرى (فقد فعلها مرات سابقا خاصة منذ 2005) بمكتسبات سياسية. والمكتسبات السياسية اليوم، بالنسبة للنظام، هي التخلص من العقوبات الدولية، والتأييد العربي والدولي لإنهاء العنف الإجرامي في الشارع السوري، وضمان بقائه في السلطة مع تعديلات تسمح لـ”الآخرين” بتقاسم كعكة السلطة، دون المساس الجذري بمصادر قوته الإقليمية: العلاقة الخاصة مع حزب الله وحماس وإيران.

إذا، الواقع أن النظام ومعارضته على حد سواء لا يهتمون قيد أنملة بحقوق المواطنة، ولا بالديمقراطية. المواطنة والديمقراطية التي يجري الحديث عنها هي فقط “ديمقراطية ومواطنة الذكور المسلمين”، ومهما “طعّمت” تشكيلة المعارضة أو تشكيلة السلطة بأشخاص يدعون “لادينيتهم” و”مدينيتهم”، أو بنساء، فهذا لا يغير من هذا الواقع شيئا، لأن هؤلاء أنفسهم لم يتخذوا حتى اليوم موقفا واحدا صريحا وغير قابل للبس ضد أي تلاعب بتلك الحقوق.

إذا، وخلال فترة قصيرة، سيجلس الأخوة الأعداء على طاولة واحدة ليتقاسموا الدم السوري، والمستقبل السوري، والمواطنة السورية.. بحيث يضمن كل منهم جزءه الخاص من كعكة السلطة. ويضمن بالتالي تحقيق عنفه الخاص، وتطبيق تمييزه الخاص بين هذا وذاك على مقاس عمامة وسموكن كل منهما.. لكن، هذه المرة، باسم “الحرية والديمقراطية والمواطنة”!

الديمقراطية والمواطنة لا تبنيها المحاصصة السياسية، مثلما لم يبنها القمع والديكتاتورية. والقمع والديكتاتورية ليس شكلا واحدا فقط هو الذي تعودنا عليه مع النظام السوري. بل له أشكال عدة بينها قمع وديكتاتورية الأصولية الظلامية التي كشفت عن وجهها الحقيقي منذ زمن، ولكنها اليوم تستعيد هذا الوجه الفظ والعنيف والتمييزي نفسه مع الكثير من الزينة. فالديكتاتورية القادمة الآن على جثة الشباب الذي طمح لدولة مدنية علمانية لكل شخص فيها حقه التام بالحرية (جثة شارك أصحابها أنفسهم في قتلها، مثلما ساهمت المعارضة بشدة في قتلها)، هي ديكتاتورية عنيفة بكل معنى الكلمة، تظهر تباشيرها في كل من مصر وتونس وليبيا..

إننا لا ندفع اليوم ثمن ديكتاتورية العقود الأخيرة فحسب، ضمنا مساوماتها التي لا تنتهي مع الأصولية وحربها التي لم تتوقف ضد العلمانية والمدنية، بل ندفع أيضا ثمن خيانة “المثقفين” السوريين لأدنى واجباتهم تجاه صفتهم كمثقفين، وخلال عقود أيضا. خيانة أظهرت وجهها الحقيقي في هذه الأزمة، ونحصد اليوم ثمارا عفنة شاركت في صناعتها مثلما شارك النظام السوري وغيره من قوى ظلامية محلية وإقليمية.

http://www.bassam-alkadi.com/content/view/647/44/

“……..Ahmadinejad playing “civil”. I am not impressed. …”

لطيزي

And neither Israelis, so that tell you something right here. Assaulting the finest Islamic Leader of any Moslem country around today is a task can only be relegated to Zionist agents drooling over Iran immense wealth and resources. Not satisfied with Iraq’s, Afghanistan, Opiumstan and Libya. SOOOOOOO, did that kid confess to the whereabouts of the 190 tons of Gold hidden, all those 230 billion hidden in various numbered accounts.

Iran losing from the Arab uprisings? Don’t be so sure 
by Ali Hussein Bakir*
19 October 2011

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-260394-iran-losing-from-the-arab-uprisings-dont-be-so-sure-by-ali-hussein-bakir*.html
 
Lately, many articles have confirmed Iran’s loss in the Arab revolution, although we still don’t know where exactly things are heading.
 
We should not rush to judge because such an attitude will make us relaxed, drive us to draw wrong conclusions and lead us to lose in the end. Things can change fast and this is what seems to be happening right now.

Rami Khouri published an article titled “Iran Is Losing from the Arab Uprising” in the Lebanese Daily Star on Oct. 5, stating the four main reasons for his claim. Yes, there is a great possibility that Iran might lose from the Arab revolutions, but there is also a great possibility that it might not. Recently, Tehran quickly took many initiatives in order to readjust its position while the sands move under its feet in the Arab world. Unlike what Khouri wrote, I say Iran is unfortunately still in the game for at least four reasons:

1. The Assad regime is still in power at the moment, and unless we see Bashar al-Assad and his circle out of the country or in front of the courts, we cannot say that Iran has lost. Iran has been pursuing a new tactic in Syria as of late. In order to prevent the negative strategic implications of the possible fall of the Syrian regime, Iran is trying not to keep all its eggs in one basket. The Iranian regime has softened its tune lately by asking Assad to hear the voice of the people. The aim of such statements is to save the regime in the best possible scenario and open channels with its opposition in the worst.

2. As a reaction to what is going on in Syria and its fear of losing its strategic ally and thus geopolitical influence, Iran is now trying to secure other areas it already controls, like Lebanon and Iraq, while searching for opportunities in Bahrain and Yemen. Tehran is openly forging a Shiite axis, utilizing all its resources in order to help the Assad regime and promote the overall strategy of Iran in this critical moment.

3. Parallel to all these efforts, Tehran is seeking to win the ultimate prize in the Arab world: Egypt. Although Iran is not so powerful in Egypt right now, the fall of the Hosni Mubarak regime allowed it to take its chances with the new regime. It has its own powerful and influential figures there. Iran is betting on two things: winning the hearts of some Islamic factions (through ideology) and some other non-Islamic factions (through money), not to mention its exploitation of the anti-Israel and anti-American sentiments there.

4. Iran always has a plan B in the Arab world. The Palestinian issue is back in the arena again; Iran — with the help of the catastrophic policies of Israel and the US — is playing the “resistance card” again.

In his article, Khouri says: “Iran’s third loss is that its attempts to gain Arab favor by rhetorically attacking Israel are being almost totally marginalized by two concurrent developments: The center of gravity of Arab-Israeli issues is shifting to the UN and other diplomatic arenas and Turkey has stepped up and assumed the role of regional power that is challenging Israel diplomatically in a far more credible manner than Iran has ever done,” but thanks to open and unconditional American support for Israel, the issue is shifting again to the angry Arab street.

As for Ankara on this issue, the Turkish role is facing some difficulties due to a lack of experience in the Arab world and some flawed tactical steps taken during the last few months. Unlike Iran, it does not have deep knowledge of Arab dynamics.

A US veto against Palestinian statehood will serve Iran, Syria and the Hezbollah axis, fortify their stance, and strengthen their influence in the Arab world again. The problem is that the US’s support for Israel in this stage of history will quickly shift and effectively direct the debate toward Palestine rather than rights, the rule of law, democracy and economic issues. This will feed populism rather than rationalism, which may drive the region toward intolerance and chaos, the main playground of Iran!

In his Book “The Art of War,” the famous Chinese General Sun Tzu says: “If you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss. If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or you may lose. If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.”

So, unless we are fully aware of these points and of the current tactics of Iranian policymaking, we will be the real losers when we assume that “Iran has already lost.”

William Scott Scherk

I think you and others missed the point of that decree and what I posted in #149, not that I disagree with your analysis, actually I totally agree with most of what you said.

The laws themselves might be controversial from my point of view and necessary from someone else’s, however regardless of whether or not something like insulting the president should be punished or not, it most certainly should not prevent someone from participating in the political life of the country in general, that is what the decree does, and that’s just obscene.

My problem is not with the penal code itself, but rather with the illogical use of this code to stifle political life.

Does anybody think that a unity government that include the MB is something to consider if it will save Syria from further violence and the chance of a breakup, I think it is worth it, What do you all think?

“أنا مخطوف”.. سيناريو جديد للنصب في حمص!

(دي برس – خاص)
ابتكر نصابون ومحتالون في محافظة حمص، طرقاً جديدة استغلوا فيها الأحداث الجارية في محافظتهم، خصوصاً بعض الأحياء التي ما زالت تشهد توتراً من حين لآخر بهدف كسب أموال أو للتهرب من دفع ما يترتب عليهم من استحقاقات مالية لجهات أخرى، حيث البيئة خصبة لابتكاراتهم وموافاة ضحاياهم بكل جديد، وهذه المرة لم يجهدوا أنفسهم عناء البحث عن حجة واقعية أو قابلة للتصديق للتهرب من دفع المال لأصحابه في حال كانوا من الدائنين، فالحجة والبرهان في متناول اليد، إما أنهم مختطفون أو مفقودون أو حتى قضوا نحبهم في الأحداث الأخيرة .

فخلال الأيام القليلة الماضية سجلت محاضر الشرطة عدداً كبيراً من عمليات النصب والاحتيال، قام ضحاياها على تقديم شكوى بحق أشخاص قاموا بفعل النصب بهذا الأسلوب.

فالمدعو (ع. م) من قرية أم الجرن في محافظة حمص، والذي قام باستدانة مبلغ 400 ألف ليرة سورية منذ حوالي عام من (ن، س) بموجب سندات أمانة، وبعد مطالبة الأخير بتسديد المبالغ في الموعد المحدد، قام بتغيير مكان إقامته وأشاع خبر وفاته في القرية ظناً منه أن الأخير لن يطالبه بعد ذلك بالمال.

وحصل “دي برس” على معلومات من بعض شركات السيارات وتجارها في محافظة حمص على أن مثل هذه الحالة حصلت أكثر من مرة وأبطالها هذه المرة بعض ممن اشترى سيارة بالتقسيط حيث انه عند اتصال الشركة بالشخص ليتم الطلب منه تسديد ذمته من أقساط السيارة المتراكمة منذ شهور يتم إعلام الشركة بأنه مختطف أو مفقود أو حتى معتقل.

كذلك اتبع هذا الأسلوب مجموعة من أصحاب المحلات التجارية للتهرب من تسديد ما يستحق عليهم من التزامات مالية لتجار من خارج المحافظة.

ولم يتردد (ي . س) في أحد أحياء حمص عن تعليق نعوته على باب منزل عائلته تهرباً من الالتزامات المالية المستحقة عليه لشخص آخر.هذا بالإضافة إلى استغلال حاجة بعض الشباب للحصول على فرصة عمل في برنامج تشغيل الشباب الجامعي، أو حاجة المعلمات للنقل إلى أحياء أخرى، بعد إقناع ضحاياهم بإمكانية النقل أو الحصول على وظيفة مقابل مبلغ مالي وصل في بعض الأحيان إلى 100 ألف ل.س .

المحامي فادي سلطان الذي تم توكيله من قبل بعض من وقعوا في شباك المحتالين يقول: إننا اعتدنا سماع أخبار عمليات الاحتيال والنصب من آن إلى آخر، وتكررت العديد من الحيل بأشكال مختلفة كان ضحاياها مواطنون من شرائح مختلفة وبرز فيها نصابون محترفون، مضيفاً سلطان أنه بات من المعروف أن المحتالين يتبعون أساليب متشابهة ومُكررة في عملياتهم، إلا أن الأحداث التي تمر فيها سورية عموماً وبعض المحافظات مثل حمص خصوصاً برزت فيها أشكال احتيال جديدة استخدمت في تفاصيلها الأحداث التي تجري في المحافظة.

ويؤكد سلطان أن الجرائم المتعلقة بالنصب والاحتيال لم تتحول بعد إلى ظاهرة، وإنما مازالت تمثل حوادث فردية السبب فيها سذاجة وجشع وطمع البعض الذين يرغبون في جني مزيد من الثروات، مبيناً أنه وفق قانون العقوبات السوري وحسب المادتين (641- 642) للقاضي سلطة تطبيق العقوبة بحديها الأعلى والأدنى وهي السجن من 3 أشهر لسنتين والغرامة من 100 ل.س إلى 500 ل.س، ويطبق العقاب نفسه على محاولة ارتكاب تلك الجريمة، ويستعمل القاضي سلطته التقديرية وفقاً للقواعد العامة فيرتفع بمقدار العقاب الذي يحكم به كلما كانت أساليب الخداع والغش جديدة السبك محكمة بحيث يكون من العسير على المجني عليه اكتشافها وكذلك على القاضي أن يرتفع بالعقوبة بقدر ما يستغل اكتشافها، وكذلك على القاضي أن يرتفع بالعقوبة بقدر ما يستغل المحتال الأساليب التي أتاحها له تقدم العلم ونمو الحضارة وكذلك كلما ازداد عدد ضحايا المحتال وأيضاً كلما ازدادت الأضرار التي ينزلها بهم.

المصدر: http://www.dp-news.com/pages/detail.aspx?articleid=100787#ixzz1bYZS9mCe

@NK #259

We understood your point from the first post, but good you articulated now. Denying someone civil rights for life after punishing him for a crime by fine or jail is absurd indeed.

Slapping the entire penal code on someone wanted to form or belong to a political party is an obvious obstructionist tactic, so what sense negotiating in the first place.

@260 Norman,

It depend on what is meant by Moslem Brotherhood, are we talking someone like the Hajji neighbor of mine in Homs that used to tell me old Syrian fairytale stories and no need to sign any paper for a transaction with him, just his word and hand shake, or you are talking about Saudi Salafi trained MB who want to slaughter all non-Moslems and they make a living on the sideline gun and drug running for AL CIAda. Big difference in between the real and fake Moslems. We can work with real Moslem Brotherhood, we can work we all religious groups and religious leaders Alawite included, but we cannot and should not deal with the mercenaries and traitors of Islam.

@ Jad#261

It seems Homs is completely lawless and full of armed gangs. I won’t talk about the “shabeeha”. The army seems to be overwhelmed and it has given in. Homs seems a mini-theater for a potential larger size full-blown civil war.
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Dear Norman,
I think that including MB in the government and in the Parliament is healthy and somehow necessary thing to do, for couple reasons:
-To show the real weight of the MB in the Syrian society away from all kind f exaggerations
-To make them be in contact with reality and society to give their vision so Syrians can decide for themselves if they agree or disagree with the MB political and religious agenda
-Keeping them exposed at all times is the best strategy instead of letting them do any work in the dark.
However, I partially agree with Bassam’s fear of a political game behind doors, which always the case.

Haytham,
Unfortunately you are right, Homs is in a huge mess, it’s already in a civil war and still some criminals keep calling for more violence, it’s disgusting.
People from both sides are kidnapped, tortured, killed, blown into pieces and thrown in the streets for no reason, I wonder if those who keep denying the existing of militia and asking for more arms are aware of the hell they are asking for.

Bronco

More of Razan Zeitouneh news

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/507206

Group of five Arab activists named finalist for Sakharov Prize
Abdallah Mostafa
Fri, 21/10/2011 – 11:26

BRUSSELS – The European Parliament in Brussels announced this year’s finalists for the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought, which is awarded to individuals or organizations that have made important contributions to advancing human rights or democracy.

One of the three finalists is a collective “Arab Spring” nomination of five activists.

The five are Asmaa Mahfouz from Egypt, Ahmed al-Senussi from Libya, Razan Zeitouneh and Ali Farzat from Syria, and Mohamed Bouazizi from Tunisia.

Bouazizi set himself on fire in a desperate act that helped trigger the Tunisian revolution and eventually inspired the other Arab uprisings this year.

The two other finalists are the San José de Apartadó Peace Community, which operates in Colombia, and Dzmitry Bandarenka, a Belarusian activist.

The European Parliament said the winner will be announced on 27 October during a general session of the parliament.

@ Wiliam #252

Indeed, the interview with Louai Husein is a successful one. Louai Hussein is very sincere human being. He is good thinker.
Another independent personality, whose the opinion could be interesting, is Anwar al-Buni. I can contact him, if Camille wished to conduct an interview with him.
If Camille wishes, I can talk to Radwan Ziadeh, too. Also, I can contact other members of the SNC. I can send an e-mail to Burhan Ghalioun, however his schedule may be more problematic.

Regarding the laws of insulting the president. I agree with William analysis. Indeed, in the middle East we still have an autocratic societies. No wonder why the political system is autocratic.

Norman @#260

Absolutely not, for starters we don’t know the exact number of MB supporters among the protesters (most of what I read suggests they can not be more than 10-20% at best), but their history of teaming up with anyone to get to power does not make them trust worthy party. It’s one thing when they are part of an opposition coalition, it’s something entirely different when they are the coalition.

Haytham,
It’ll be great to hear the views of Anwar Albuni, Hasan Abd Alazeem and Razan Zeitouneh, knowing in advance that they are not fully included in the decision making group.

Burhan Ghalyoun is already out in the media, it’ll be interesting to know who will be the head of the SNC after Ghalyoun’s 3month end, that person would be interesting to hear from.

Zibaleh…NOT INTERESTED I already know his destructive stand besides, you already know how much ‘respect’ and ‘tolerance’ I have for him 😉

BTW, are you reading Ashraf Mekdad FB daily attack against the SNC? He sounds like an unstable person. I linked one of his article before he went totally crazy…

To #9. George Krikorian,
You said: “As for coming with the excuse that anything would be better than the current regime, I for myself believe that this way of thinking is absolutely wrong”.
When you phrase it this way, you are absolutely right. There could be a lot worse than what we currently have, however, this is not the point. The point is that with this regime at the helm, Syria has been deteriorating steadily. Syria in the fifties was much better than Syria today. If this regime stays, we know exactly what to expect: a mafia rule that is sucking the life out of the country. If this regime goes, we have some hope that we might be able to turn this ship around. To put it in simpler terms: with this regime we are guaranteed to sink, without it, we might be able to survive.

To #5. Habit,
You said: “It is now clear that there are many “oppositions”, some better than others, but if they want the minorities to join, they better be 100% secular, which the above-mentioned seems to be.
The uprising has been lead by Islamists from the beginning, both within and outside Syria, but these need to be entirely sidelined if anything is to be achieved.
Sadly, this is unlikely to happen, the West is unknowingly aiding the spread of Salafism, while the Saudis are rubbing their hands”.

I think this is a very dangerous attitude to take. You think that the Islamists can not be sidelined because the West is supporting them? Very interesting analysis. I say the Islamists can not be sidelined because over 85% of Syrians are Muslims who have been getting more and more religious over the years (thanks to the current regime‘s policies). To think that these people are going to suddenly become secular is delusional and dangerous. This means that we are either getting everything that we want or we are not getting involved. The minorities in Syria, have to accept that there will be parties that are based on religion, be it Islam or Christianity, we should just work on making the majority non-religious not just abandon the process.

@ 269 Jad

Among the general secretariat of the SNC there are two names that seems to be interesting: Catherine Talli and Abdul Hamid Atassi

The potential successors of Ghalioun are
1. Samir Nashar (Secular, very decent, very intellectual, his English is excellent)
2. Mohamed Farouk Taifour (MB, I like him, he is a man of compromise).
3. Abdel Baset Sida (Kurd, I heard he is intellectual)
4. Abdel Al-Ahad Istifo (Assyrian, he is very good).

I just want it to end before hate becomes so bad that it will last for generation,

I just would love to see if they can do a better job.

بعض الحقائق التي يجهلها البعض عن ليبيا القذافي

استهلاك الكهرباء في البيوت مجاني

استهلاك المياه في البيوت مجاني

سعر لتر من البنزين لا يتجاوز 0.08 اورو

البنوك الليبية لا تعمل بالربح

المواطن لا يدفع أي ضريبة. والرسم على القيمة المضافة غير موجود تماماً

ليبيا تحتل المراتب الأخيرة من بين الدول التي تمتلك ديون

سعر شراء السيارات في ليبيا هو نفس سعر الشراء من المصانع

كل طالب يريد إكمال دراسته في الخارج تدفع له الحكومة 1627 اورو شهرياً

كل طالب يحصل على شهادة جامعية يحصل على راتب حتى دون عمل !!

عندما يتزوج الليبي يحصل على قطعة أرض مجانية تصل إلى 150 متر مربع أو مسكن

كل عائلة ليبية مسجلة تحصل على 300 اورو شهرياً !!

I can’t verify the authenticity of the decree 1134 of year 2011 that NK links to and talks about in #149, #232, #235 and #259. NK says “the decree was not “obscure and unpublicized”, it was published in all official news papers and most online news outlets.” The following google search returns zero results. This means it’s not at any website of the Syrian government. It’s also not at SANA. Furthermore, searching for sections of the text of the supposed decree turns up nothing at GOV.SY.

site:gov.sy 1134 2011 العدل القرار -inurl:alwehda

The photographic image of a printed page that NK links to at #232 is undated but looks aged by many years while NK is reporting that the date is last month.

I am unaware of any decree of year 2011 that wasn’t published on the Internet. I believe that if a decree (of this year) can’t be found published at a website of the government, then it doesn’t exist as a real decree.

By the way, I recall off the top of my head that the new Political Parties Law requires a list of the named founders on an application for a new political party, and this list has to be pretty lengthy, and convicted felons are barred from being on it. But after the party has been authorized, the new law doesn’t have a clause that prevents convicted felons from joining as party members, as I recall it. Many of the things on that supposed decree that NK linked to are misdemeanours, not felonies, and I don’t recall that a person with a misdemeanour in his record is barred from being on the founder’s list.

NK at SyriaComment has posted links to rubbish and highly unreliable information before.

An example of the appallingly bad anti-Moslem humor you find in England and Denmark. The following bad joke was copied from a Danish newspaper:

“Everyone seems to be wondering why Moslem terrorists are so quick to commit suicide.

Let’s have a look at the evidence. This is how the average Moslem terrorist lives:

– No Christmas

– No television

– No nude women

– No football

– No pork chops

– No hot dogs

– No burgers

– No beer

– No bacon

– Rags for clothes

– Towels for hats

– Constant wailing from a tower

– More than one wife

– More than one mother-in-law

– You can’t shave

– Your wife can’t shave

– You can’t wash off the smell of donkey

– You cook over burning camel dung

– Your wife is picked by someone else for you

– and your wife smells worse than your donkey

– and if you’re an Afghan jihadi, you live in a cave

Then they tell you that ‘when you die, it all gets better’ It’s not like it could get much worse.”

Shockingly bad joke. Really in bad taste….

Back in August 2007 Syria had municipal or local council elections. A coalition of dissident parties called for a boycott of the elections. How effective was the call to boycott? Answer in two parts: (1) 32058 candidates contested 9687 local council seats. (2) Voter turnout was 50 percent (compared to 38 percent in the 2003 elections). In most other countries, 50 percent is a very high turnout for local government elections.

In April 2007 Syria had parliamentary elections. The dissidents also called for a boycott of those. How did the boycott call go for them? (1) The number of entrants to the parliamentary election race at the deadline for applications was 9770, of whom 2293 were approved to enter the contest, and all those entrants were competing for just 250 seats in parliament. (2) The official turnout was 56 percent. I’m copying those numbers from http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Syria_APS.doc and from http://www.europeanforum.net/country/syrian_arab_republic both of which are in turn citing SANA as their source.

The dissidents claimed the official turnout in the April 2007 parliamentary elections was a gross falsehood and that the true turnout was at most 10 percent. But they have no way of showing why that accusation deserves to be given any credence. Who do you believe, the government or the dissidents? In my experience this year, 2011, all the dissidents are hopelessly untrustworthy and many of them are downright liars. They don’t make a diligent effort to know and speak the truth. Sorry about that. I presume the government is telling the truth, but more transparency and verifiability from the government in the vote counting process would’ve been desirable. The government thinks that too and it has recently taken the following action:

SANA 4 Aug 2011: President Bashar al-Assad issued today Legislative Decree No. 101 for the year 2011 pertaining to General Elections Law. The law aims at improving the election process, ensuring the right of the candidates in supervising the process and maintaining the judicial supervision. It also provides for forming a higher judicial committee for elections to monitor the elections and ensure its integrity, together with forming judicial sub-committees in every Syrian province affiliated to the higher committee in Damascus. Among the missions of the elections committees are to enable candidates or their agents to supervise voting process and votes counting, and to listen to their remarks and objections, and to enable news media to oversee voting process and votes counting. The Minister of Local Administration Omar Ibrahim Ghalawanji said that the new law on general elections transfers the power of monitoring elections to the judiciary. He said that the Higher Committee for Supervising Elections is appointed by a presidential decree and has independent sub-committees in the provinces. http://www.sana.sy/eng/361/2011/08/04/362216.htm

SANA 29 Sep 2011 and 17 Oct 2011: Law No. 374 for the year 2011 dated 28 Sep 2011 creates the Higher Committee for Supervising Elections. The Committee is comprised of five judges. Each judge has a term of four years on the Committee. The Committee has final power in the matters under its jurisdiction. The chairman of the Committee is Attorney General Khalaf al-Azzawi. This Higher Committe selects the chairmen and the members of the Provincial Sub-Committees who are to supervise elections in the governorates. On 16 Oct 2011 the Higher Committee had a meeting with the chairmen of the Provincial Sub-Committees. The meeting focused on the procedures for good conduct and supervision of the elections of local councils scheduled for December 12 to guarantee fair elections and ensure the voters’ freedom to inspect the vote counting according to the Legislative Decree No. 101 for 2011. http://www.sana.sy/eng/361/2011/09/29/372055.htm http://www.sana.sy/eng/361/2011/10/17/375939.htm

A coalition of dissidents also called for a boycott of the presidential referendum of May 2007. The official government figure for the turnout for that referendum is an absolutely spectacular figure that’s hard to believe because it’s so very high: http://www.sana.sy/eng/141/2007/05/29/120564.htm If that turnout figure is correct, it’s extremely important. If the figure is substantially incorrect, the incorrectness would be extremely important as well.

More about Gaddafi gold, where is it now, the world’s 20th largest stach 190 +tons?

http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invasion-gaddafi-plan-gold-dinar/

I agree with the analysis about Bashar,he should have never been appointed president in 2000. I still remember those historical 15 minutes when the clowns at our people assembly changed the constitution to fit Bashar’s size.
I wish the best for Libyans who have suffered from a brutal regime for 42 years but I disagree with those who want Libya’s civil war and NATO intervention to be tried in Syria.
One last thing,it is very early to judge the Libyan NATO-supported revolution,the only thing that is obvious is that Qadhafi is gone, and most people would agree that Libya will be better off without him if the new regime makes good on its promises and stays away from the politics of exclusion and revenge.

Memo To: YA MARA GHALBA

RE: “…who do you believe, the government or the dissidents?…”

Boy, that’s a tough one to answer. The government has been so honest and fair-minded. I just can’t decide….

Here is a simplified version of things you did not know but you must know if you to succeed (be free) in the coming years. Please be patient and watch all 3 videos to the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwCbQk3QobU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=Zij6UaL72V4

The Foreign Confrontation in Syria
By: Ibrahim Al-Amin

Published Thursday, October 20, 2011

The US administration’s urging of Arab states to take steps to tighten the diplomatic and economic noose on Syria comes in tandem with its decision to ratchet up its confrontation – thus far only political – with Iran. Diplomats say Turkey too has upped the ante, and is now playing a covert security role inside Syrian territory in support of the revolt against the rule of President Bashar Assad.

The US, France, Turkey, and other parties in Europe and the Arab Gulf pre-emptively began supplying the adhesive needed to bind together the fragmented Syrian opposition groups based abroad. These were conjoined in the framework of the Syrian National Council. Despite the protestations of the Council’s most prominent spokesman, Burhan Ghalioun (see his recent interview in al-Akhbar), its members appear to hold mutually incompatible views regarding Syria’s political future. This applies particularly to the role they want external powers to play in overthrowing Assad’s regime.

Meanwhile in Lebanon, the principal players in the March 14 coalition have reverted to the climate which prevailed in the country in 2005. They believe that the regime in Syria is on its way out. Former Prime Minister Fouad Siniora and Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea say that, from the evidence on the ground and their own assessments, the decision to bring down Assad’s regime has been taken by the powers-that-be. They maintain that the decision has also been taken to ‘strike’ Iran, and that this is now being pursued in various ways pending a major thrust. This, for them, justifies sticking to the line that the Syrian regime must be isolated and Lebanon prevented from becoming a source of political, security, or even economic relief for Syria.

But what has the other side been up to?

From the Syrian leadership’s point of view, things look somewhat different. Assad tells his visitors that he remains in contact with some Arab leaders and has had telephone conversations with them – specifically naming the Emir of Qatar, Hamad bin-Khalifa Al Thani. Other sources indicate that the Qatari ruler has begun diplomatic contacts with Iran and Turkey aimed at containing regional tensions as they pertain to Syria, Bahrain, and Iranian-Arab relations. These sources say that Qatar fears the situation could get out of control and spiral into a ruinous, all-out confrontation.

It is clear from the behavior of the Syrian authorities that they now feel they have passed the danger-stage for the regime and have begun a new stage where the danger is to the country’s stability. This aspect appears complex. Syrian leaders concede that, in addition to an internal security effort, the restoration of genuine stability would require political steps. That means speeding up the process of reform in order to defuse domestic tensions. But a political accommodation would also be needed with various external actors, notably Turkey and the Arab Gulf states. Syrian officials accuse Turkish and Arab intelligence agencies of sponsoring an organized campaign of destabilization inside Syrian territory. Such a deal would entail halting these activities, and also the political and media campaigns these countries have been waging against the regime in Syria.

Iran, for its part, seems intent on continuing to provide unlimited support to the regime in Syria. The visible part of that support is Iran’s commitment to preventing any foreign intervention, especially military intervention, against Syria. It has become common knowledge that the Iranians have told various regional and international players that they would deem an attack on Syria to be an attack on Iran, and this would unavoidably lead to an huge confrontation. These warnings had a direct impact on the Turks, among others.

But the Iranians have also been discussing other things behind the scenes. Their ongoing and intensive consultations with the Syrian leadership have also covered details of its plans for economic and political reform. According to the Iranians, Tehran has made clear to Assad that reform is vital – for the country, the regime, and the people alike. They say they are well aware of the extent of the regime’s accumulated mistakes, both before and since the outbreak of the confrontations. But they call for distinctions to be made.

For example, the Iranians do not consider Syria’s foreign detractors to be acting out of support for human rights or the cause of reform. They argue that the position of all of these countries, near and far, can only be understood in terms of settling old scores with Syria and seeking to remove it from the pro-resistance camp in the region.

The Iranians also say that the Syrian administration suffers from serious deficiencies in every respect. Assad himself knows and admits this, and has been trying for a long time — not just now — to take on these challenges. But the Iranians agree with Assad that the process of change in Syria will be slow. There are figures within the regime who reject the very idea of change, and they do not believe that anything needs to be done in this regard. They pose a real obstacle to Assad, far harder to overcome than many believe.

The Iranians are also supporting Syria economically. They say they are providing the country with all it needs to face its economic crisis and revive productive sectors of the economy. There are now over 100 vital projects throughout the country operating with Iranian support. Iranian sources note, too, that their country is well placed to help Syria find solutions to get around any kind of economic sanctions imposed by the West.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/foreign-confrontation-syria

The Black comedy of the “Law” in the Syrian state
Fawaz Haddad
ملهاة القانون المأساوية في سوريا

2011/10/23
فواز حداد
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36152

تنتشر في شوارع وسط العاصمة دمشق والأطراف القريبة منها إعلانات طرقية، يمولها رجال أعمال سوريون، عنوانها العريض «أنا مع القانون»، ملحق بها عناوين فرعية تختلف من إعلان لآخر: «هادئ أو متوتر» «متشبث أو متساهل» «متفائل أو متشائم» «كبير أو صغير» «تقليدي أو عصري».. الخ، بحيث أنها لا تترك مجالا للمواطنين إلا ليكونوا مع القانون على الرغم من اختلاف طبائعهم، أو ظروفهم النفسية ووجهات نظرهم وأمزجتهم وشرائحهم العمرية؛ والغاية تذكيرهم بسيادة القانون، لا سيما أننا في بلد مستهدف لا ينبغي أن يترك لمخططات المتآمرين أو لعبث العابثين

يستلفت النظر ما أظهره بعض رجال الأعمال السوريين من غيرة على القانون، إضافة إلى الكرم والأريحية، وما تحلوا به من سداد رأي أخطأ هدفه في هذا المنعطف الحرج، بدعوة أبناء الوطن لئلا تغريهم المظاهرات التي تضرب عرض الحائط بالقانون.

فالمحتجون حسبما يرى رجال الأعمال، يخرجون من دون إذن ولا رخصة، يطلقون هتافات تدعو في الظاهر إلى الحرية والوحدة الوطنية، وفي الباطن إلى الفوضى والتشرذم. وهي حالة شديدة الخطورة تشكل تهديدا للاستقرار وللقانون، تتطلب إيقافها والتصدي لها.
فجرى استنفار الدولة لأجهزة الأمن ومعها الجيش، يؤازرهم متطوعون من الحزب وعاملون في مؤسسات الدولة، إضافة إلى جيش غير نظامي بات يعرف بـ«الشبيحة».

هذه الإعلانات البريئة تدعو للتساؤل، مثلما تدعو إلى الريبة، فهي صادرة عن متضامنين مع النظام، ليس عسيرا اتهامهم بأنهم تمتعوا بامتيازات سمحت لهم بأفضليات لم تحقق المساواة مع غيرهم من المواطنين، جمعهم تواطؤ سري كان معروفا مع شركائهم من رجال في النظام استغلوا نفوذهم الوظيفي والأمني، وجنوا معا ثروات أسطورية يشهد عليها ما يملكونه من أموال في داخل البلاد، أو مودعة خارجها. المستغرب دعوتهم إلى الالتزام بالقانون، بينما هم في دائرة الشبهات من القانون بالذات!

بينما يدل تاريخ الأجهزة الأمنية، حماة القانون والساهرين على تنفيذه، على أنهم لم يتقيدوا به، طوال عقود سابقة، خلال فترة عصيبة مر بها الوطن، بل امتطوه وأهدروه، واستغلوه لمصالحهم الشخصية أسوأ استغلال بالمتاجرة بالموقوفين والمسجونين والمحكومين بأحكام طويلة أو بالإعدام. وساوموا الضحايا وأهاليهم، على حرياتهم والإفراج عنهم، إلى حد أنهم كانوا يقبضون ثمن إبلاغهم إن كانوا أمواتا أو على قيد الحياة.

المؤلم أن عمل العدالة السورية الحالية لا يطالهم لأنهم يعملون تحت ظل قانون آخر، لا يشبه أي قانون في العالم ما زال ساري المفعول، أباح لهم استعمال عنف منفلت من الضوابط بلا كابح ولا حدود، ومن غير مساءلة.

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دولة القانون، هذا ما يريده السوريون فعلا، لكن في هذا الظرف العصيب، هناك مقدمات كثيرة لا بد من الإلحاح عليها، إحداها عدم استخدامه ذريعة للقفز فوقه.
وبالتالي ما يستفز في هذه الدعوة، ليس أنها غير موجهة إلى الجهات المقصودة، وإنما إلى المواطنين المنصاعين أصلا لنواهي القانون ولتجاوزات السادة من رجالات النظام.
الأمر المفروغ منه أن الشعب كان في حالة طاعة سواء كانت قسرية أو اختيارية، امتثل لها أو أجبر عليها بدعاوى قومية ووطنية، وإذا كان قد انتفض فلأن لديه مطالب مشروعة وحاجات لم تلب، وحقوقا أساسية سلبت منه، وليس احتجاجا على القانون، بل ضد الذين عبثوا به.
والسؤال الذي يستدعي نفسه، ألم يكن من الأفضل لرجال المال والأعمال ألا يعطوا الشعب درسا هم الأحوج إليه؟

القانون في سوريا، مأساة مبكية من جانب، وملهاة مضحكة من الجانب الآخر، ما دام أصحاب الإعلانات الخيرية يتناسون أن العدالة هي موضوع القانون، الضامن لتعايش الحريات، وتكافؤ الفرص، والمحدد لحقوق المواطن وواجباته، وتأمين النظام والسلام في الدولة. هذا القانون لا يصح الغرض منه، إلا بسريانه على الجميع من دون استثناءات.

وإذا تأملنا القانون المكتوب نجد غيابا شبه كامل له على الأرض، والأسوأ أن الداعين إلى التقيد به والساهرين على تنفيذه، أول الخارجين عنه.
بينما المسؤولون عنه، يتحكمون به، بغية خرقه والتلاعب به. أما الذين يطبق عليهم، فمحرومون من الحقوق التي يمنحها لهم القانون نفسه.

Civil disobedians hit Horan for the first time in eastern Horan region yesterday for the first time since the start of the revolution.

The withdrawal of several units of the fourth brgade of M Asad from dar3a to prop uu their loosening Grip on Homs has eased the pressue on Horan.

عصيان مدني في حوران الشرقية والجيش السوري الحر يهدد بالرد القاسي إن سعى الأمن لكسره، والساحل ينتفض مجددا رغم القبضة الحديدية

2011/10/23
دمشق ـ سوريون نت:
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36168

شهدت مناطق حوران الشرقية أمس واليوم حالة عصيان مدني لأول مرة في تاريخ الثورة السورية وقد شمل العصيان التزام السكان لبيوتهم وعدم التوجه إلى أعمالهم ومدارسهم ومقاطعة مؤسسات الدولة وإغلاق الطرقات الرئيسية ومن بين القرى والبلدات التي دخلت حيز العصيان المدني الصنمين وكفر شمسة والرمثة وغيرها، وهدد الجيش السوري قطعان الكتائب الأسدية بالتعدي على الناس بفك العصيان المدني ومحاولة اختراق هذه القرى لفك العصيان المدني،

ويقول شهود عيان في المنطقة بأن حوران كلها تعيش حالة غليان حقيقية وأن الوضع متأزم جدا بالنسبة لكتائب الأسد سيما بعد أن تم سحب عديد من الفرقة الرابعة التابعة لماهر الأسد شقيق رأس النظام السوري إلى حمص مما أدى إلى تخفيف الضغط على أهالي درعا وحوران ودفعهم إلى العصيان والتظاهر ثانية، في غضون ذلك بدأ الساحل السوري يتحرك مجددا منتفضا بعد أن أحكمت الكتائب الأسدية عليه خلال الأشهر الماضية،

وأفيد عن خروج مظاهرات نساء في بانياس وطلبة مدارس، وقد انتفضت لأول مرة طرطوس أخيرا تطالب بإعدام وإسقاط بشار الأسد،

وفي إدلب تتواصل عمليات بين الجيش السوري الحر وبين الكتائب الأسدية وهو ما أوقع إصابات في صفوف الطرفين .

Could this story be real? The writer is saying that Qaddafi was captured two days earlier than the day he was killed and then everything else was staged:
هكذا قتلوا القذافي : قصة مغايرة تماما
http://www.almansore.com/Print.php?id=26184

French laws about insulting the president

You can insult the president in France, working as a journalist for a state-funded radio, examples here:
http://www.liberation.fr/brut-de-net/06012073-stephane-guillon-sodomise-le-president-de-la-republique
or in the primetime news on a public channel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR49ludeyXc

someone telling Sarkozy “don’t shake my hand, you’re disgusting” in a farmers convention has not been fined
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR49ludeyXc

but some were less lucky and were (about 35 euros):
http://che4ever.over-blog.com/article-avignon-un-clochard-poursuivi-pour-insulte-a-sarkozy-70371342.html
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casse-toi,_pauv%27_con_!
http://www.rue89.com/explicateur/outrage-a-sarkozy-faut-il-passer-par-les-tribunaux

Several comments on Syria today on “Angry Arab” (Asad Abu Khalil):
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Syrian revolution…my potato
The official site of the so-called “Syrian Revolution” offer sincere condolences for the death of Prince Sultan. This site represents the Ikhwan-liberal leadership of the so-called revolution. You want me to support such a movement that is guided by the House of Saud? Read the comments in praise of Sultan. I will oppose this movement as fiercely as I oppose the Ba`thist regime. This in no way diminish my support for the popular uprising against the Syrian regime.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 8:11 AM

Business Networks in Syria
Bassam Haddad was my student for a year at Georgetown. We became close friends. I am very proud of his success: and I always tell him, I wish him more success than I wish for myself, and I mean it. His book on Syria is out and I so strongly and enthusiastically recommend it. He is my foremost expert on Syria and I have learned a lot on Syria from him. I read this book when it was a PhD dissertation and thought it was one of the most original works on Syria and still think so. Go read it NOW.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 6:46 AM

Syrian liberals
Look at this interview with a Syrian liberal (from the March 14 movement of Syria). He basically says that anyone who criticizes him is basically killing him “morally” and is preparing to kill him actually. I kid you not. Those are clones of the Ba`th Party and I am opposed to their seizure of power in the same intensity of my opposition to Ba`thist rule anywhere.

285. JAD
روسيا: مقتل القذافي يثير تساؤلات ومن الضروري إجراء تحقيق دولي في ملابساته
قال وزير الخارجية الروسي سيرغي لافروف إن مقتل العقيد معمر القذافي يثير بعض التساؤلات لذلك من الضروري إجراء تحقيق دولي في ملابساته.

وأشار لافروف لدى إجابته عن أسئلة في محطات إذاعة صوت روسيا وراديو روسيا وصدى موسكو الروسية إلى أن ملابسات مقتل القذافي وافعال قوات الحلف الاطلسي “الناتو” ضمنا يجب أن تكون موضوعا للتحقيق الدولي وان هجوم طائرات الناتو على رتل سيارات القذافي الذي حاول مغادرة سرت لا علاقة له بنظام حظر تحليق الطائرات فوق ليبيا موضحا أن القانون الدولي ينص على انه في اثناء النزاعات المسلحة تطبق القواعد الانسانية الدولية المثبتة في اتفاقيات جنيف.

وأكد وزير الخارجية الروسي أنه كان من الواجب تقديم القذافي إلى المحكمة الدولية مشيرا إلى أن الاتفاقيات الدولية تنص على انه بمجرد أسر المشارك في النزاع المسلح يجب أن تطبق إزاءه إجراءات خاصة وانه لا يجوز قتل الأسير في أي حال من الأحوال ويجب أن يقدم له إسعاف طبي وبحسب اللقطات المتوفرة لدينا تم أسر القذافي وهو مصاب بجروح وبعد ذلك قتلوه وهو أسير.

وأعرب لافروف عن أسفه بشأن تفويت الغرب لفرصة التقليل من عدد الضحايا في ليبيا مشيرا إلى أن الدول الغربية لم تبد اهتماما لازما للمبادرة التي طرحها الاتحاد الافريقي فيما يتعلق بتسوية الوضع في ليبيا اذ كان من شأنها ان تحول دون سقوط عدد كبير من الضحايا.

وفي سياق متصل قال لافروف إن روسيا تعول على ان السلطات الليبية الجديدة ستقيم علاقاتها مع روسيا الاتحادية في إطار الاتفاقيات الموقعة معها سابقا على أساس احترام تلك المعاهدات.

وكان أعلن ظهر أمس الأول عن مقتل العقيد القذافي في مدينة سرت الليبية وقال الناطق باسم المجلس الانتقالي الليبي عبد الحفيظ غوقة إن القذافي قتل على أيدي قوات المجلس الانتقالي وذلك بعد وقت قليل من تصريحات أدلى بها عبد المجيد مليقطة المسؤول بالمجلس أكد فيها أن القذافي اعتقل وأصيب في ساقيه فجر أمس الأول بقصف لطائرات حلف شمال الأطلسي.

May I ask who are the 4 hateful sectarian retards who “disliked” my post @162 ? What exactly about it that you did not like ?

One more evidence of the level of voters on SC.

Returning to the supposed administrative decree 1134 of the Justice Minister, talked about by NK above. As linked to by NK at http://all4syria.info/web/archives/32195 this decree if real derives its authority from legislative decree 100 of year 2011, the new Political Parties Law, which says:

An application for establishing a party should be signed by fifty founders who satisfy the following conditions: …. Not convicted of a felony or misdemeanor and misdemeanors to be identified with a decision of Justice Minister. http://www.sana.sy/eng/361/2011/08/04/362192.htm

If the decree 1134 is real, it’s only applying to the founders of the party on the party’s license application form.

I still don’t believe decree 1134 is real, for the simple reason that I can’t find it at a website of the government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7gmDFRbdG8
LOL

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247351155312081&set=a.202494713131059.44408.142952112418653&type=1&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247231175324079&set=a.202494713131059.44408.142952112418653&type=1&theater

Prince Sultan died,King Abdullah is 87 year old,he probably will die soon,prince Nayef is supposed to be the next king he is 78,and has bad diabetis.there is something wrong.this is stagnation.it is not good for the Arab.

In Syria, next wednesday,will be important day, if Syria refuse to go to Cairo to meet the opposition,the syrian expect the AL to make important decision, failing to do that,will be great disappointment, some think it will take several months to see the end of the syrian revolution, to me I see indications that it may end sooner, the people in Syria are tired I mean the silent majority.

Majed

Not following what you are saying. You mean the end of the revoluttion and the victory of the tyrany?

“Nayef is much more conservative than either Abdullah or Sultan, and much more suspicious of America—especially after the Arab Spring. He holds grudges forever. But Nayef also hates Iranians and all Shiites, and his son and deputy minister has become a ruthless foe of al Qaeda. ”

Nayef’s challenge will be to navigate the Arab awakening. The Saudis are counterrevolutionaries and have been for more than a half century. They blame Obama for letting former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak fall from power, and are furious at his trial in Cairo. They sent in their own troops to stop the revolution in Bahrain. They have told Jordan’s King Abdullah that they will not allow reforms next door in his kingdom. In Yemen they want another strong man to replace Saleh.

They want America to deal with Iran and al Qaeda, but they don’t share our freedom agenda. They are very close to Pakistan—in part to have a nuclear ace just in case they need a bomb for their Chinese missiles. They have ties to the Taliban, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, and many other Islamist parties—ties Nayef has handled for decades.

In some ways, the kingdom’s Nayef era has already begun. Sultan has been too ill for years to run affairs effectively, and Abdullah is fading. America will need to find common ground for continued cooperation with Nayef’s kingdom even as we disagree about democracy’s future in Arabia.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/22/saudi-crown-prince-sultan-s-death-renews-succession-worries.html

The US Embassy in Iraq has it own airline.

“In all, about 16,000 personnel will be assigned to the embassy in Iraq, about 1,700 of them diplomats, experts in fields such as business and agriculture and law enforcement officers, while around 5,000 will be security contractors to guard personnel and facilities including consulates, according to State Department figures.

The newly established Office of Security Cooperation in the Embassy will have a core staff of 160 civilians and uniformed military alongside 750 civilian contractors overseeing Pentagon assistance programs, including military training. They will be guarded, fed and housed by 3,500 additional contract personnel.

The security cooperation office will also operate out of 10 offices around the country, half of them shared with other embassy personnel. The embassy will have consulates in Basra, Irbil and Kirkuk. The State Department will provide Iraqi police training with its own personnel.

“What’s unusual is the scale and the militarization of the foreign service” as it oversees the thousands of security personnel, Newton said. The agency will even run its own airline to shuttle staff around the country. “This is not the kind of thing that diplomats do,” he said. ”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-21/will-american-troops-leave-iraq-better-off-.html

‘We continue our resistance to full revenge. I am in Libya, alive and free’ – Gaddafi’s son

The son and heir apparent of the late Colonel Gaddafi, Saif al-Islam, is still in Libya. He is free and will go on with resistance, he reportedly claimed in an address to supporters aired by Syria’s Arrai TV Channel, loyal to the Libyan ex-leader.

­“We continue our resistance. I am in Libya, I am alive, free and intend to go to the very end and exact revenge,” Russia’s “RIA Novosti” news agency quotes Saif al-Islam as saying on the Syrian Channel on Saturday night.

Earlier contradictory reports suggested Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has been either killed or captured in the western Libyan town of Zliten and was in the hands of the country’s National Transitional Council.

Egypt’s Nile TV Channel reported on Thursday, October 20, that he had managed to flee Sirte and find shelter in the desert.

According to RIA Novosti, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has already got the support of the tribes loyal to his father, who promised to fight against the current government and take revenge for the killing of the colonel and his son Mutassim. Some experts now suggest the Libyan conflict could now be prolonged and grow from a political into an interethnic struggle.

Thirty-nine-year-old Saif al-Islam is the second son of Muammar Gaddafi and carried out public relations and diplomatic roles for his father. Western-educated and the most-recognized Libyan official, he was often viewed as Colonel’s successor and a possible reformer.

http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-son-address-resistance-513/

Zoo

I think they should scan his head first to rule out atrophy. 78 yo with diabetes is likely to have had multiple small strokes. I pity us. We are either ruled by dictators or the elderly.

Tara
The end of syrian revolution ,means the end and downfall of Assad,there are informations I do not like to reveal.

“Libyans, hold your head up high, you are Libyans The Free”

A Free Syrian Army unit attacked and destroyed two, tseel village bound Shabbeeha busses killing 12 and seriously wounding remaining mobsters on board.

http://www.facebook.com/Youth.Syria.Freedom

حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
بيان صادر عن الجيش السوري الحر كتيبة العمري
قامت سرية الشهيد سامر المصري التابعة لكتيبة العمري بقيادة النقيب قيس القطاعنة بتنفيذ عملية بالقرب من تل الجموع على طريق تسيل نوى بتفجير باصين للأمن والشبيحة كانت متوجهة إلى تسيل لمداهمة البيوت وإعتقال النساء والأطفال وقد قتلة على أثرها 12 من الشبيحة وأصابة الباقين أصابات بالغة وقد قامت قوات الامن السياسي والعسكري وأمن الدولة من النظام الفاجر الفاشل بتمشيط المنطقة وأطلاق قذائف مدفعية على المنازل في مدينتي تسيل ونوى بحجة البحث عن المنشقين الذين قاموا بالعملية
وعاشت سوريا حرة أبية
4 hours ago

Good luck to the liberated Libya, congratulations Tunisia for your first free elections today.
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العربي أكد حرص الجامعة العربية على مساعدة سوريا

أكد الأمين العام لجامعة الدول العربية نبيل العربي “سعي اللجنة الوزارية العربية المعنية بالازمة السورية بكل جدية الى حشد الجهود العربية من أجل مساعدة سوريا للخروج من الازمة الراهنة وذلك من خلال وضع آليات محددة”.
وأوضح العربي للصحافيين أن “الآليات تتيح وقف اطلاق النار واعمال العنف بمختلف اشكاله وخلق الاجواء الملائمة للبدء في حوار وطني شامل “يضع سوريا على طريق الحل السلمي السياسي ويبعد عنها شبح التدخلات الخارجية والاقتتال الاهلي”.
وحول ما اذا كانت مهلة 15 يوما التي حددها مجلس الجامعة لعقد مؤتمر الحوار الوطني تشكل “انذارا” أو “مهلة نهائية” للنظام السوري من قبل مجلس الجامعة أوضح العربي ان “مجلس الجامعة واللجنة الوزارية المكلفة من قبله، ليست في وارد اصدار الانذارات أو التهديدات أو ما شابه ذلك”.
وشدد العربي أيضا على “ضرورة التعامل مع هذا الجهد العربي بصورة ايجابية من قبل القيادة السورية وجميع أفرقاء المعارضة السورية حتى يمكن انجاح مساعي اللجنة الوزارية العربية”، مشيرا الى أن “التحضيرات جارية من أجل الاعداد الجيد لزيارة وفد اللجنة الوزارية العربية الى دمشق الاربعاء المقبل”.
وأوضح أن “مهمة اللجنة الوزارية التي ترأسها قطر وشكلها مجلس الجامعة العربية في الـ16 من تشرين الأول الجاري تتركز حول اجراء الاتصالات والمشاورات مع القيادة السورية واطياف المعارضة السورية في الداخل والخارج للبدء في عقد مؤتمر لحوار وطني شامل بمقر الجامعة العربية يفضي الى وقف العنف واراقة الدماء والى تنفيذ الاصلاحات السياسية التى تلبى طموحات الشعب السوري”.
وفي الشأن اليمني رحب العربي بقرار مجلس الأمن الدولي الاخير الخاص باليمن مناشدا الرئيس علي عبدالله صالح “الاسراع بتوقيع مبادرة مجلس التعاون لدول الخليج العربية لحل الأزمة اليمنية”.
وشدد العربي على “أهمية توقيع صالح المبادرة الخليجية حتى يمكن البدء فى تنفيذ الآليات المتفق عليها لتطبيق بنود هذه المبادرة”. وجدد دعوته لوقف استخدام العنف ضد المتظاهرين والاحتجاجات السلمية الجارية في اليمن، موضحا أن “هذه الاعمال تنذر بعواقب وخيمة على حرية الشعب اليمني وحقه المشروع في المطالبة بالتغيير والاصلاح السياسي السلمي”.
من جانبه، أعلن نائب الامين العام لجامعة الدول العربية السفير احمد بن حلي ان “اللجنة العربية الوزارية المعنية بالازمة السورية ستعقد لقاء تشاوريا في قطر الثلثاء المقبل قبل توجهها الى العاصمة دمشق في اليوم التالي”.
وأوضح بن حلي في تصريح صحافي أن “وفد الجامعة العربية برئاسة أمينها العام سيتوجه مساء الاثنين الى الدوحة للقاء رئيس اللجنة رئيس الوزراء ووزير خارجية قطر الشيخ حمد بن جاسم آل ثاني وباقي الاعضاء لعقد اللقاء التشاوري الثلثاء”.
واشار الى مشاركة وزراء خارجية مصر وسلطنة عمان والجزائر والسودان والامين العام للجامعة العربية في الاجتماع التشاوري قبل التوجه الى دمشق صباح الاربعاء المقبل للقاء القيادة السورية.

Security mobsters manning checkpoints within and around cities and towns have become sitting ducks, regularly targetted by hit an run attacks by FSA units.
The communique posted hereunder cites offensive attacks on several Regime’s security check points in Idlib last night.
23/10/2011
http://www.facebook.com/Youth.Syria.Freedom

حركة سوريا شباب من أجل الحرية Youth Syria For Freedom
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
بيان صادر عن الجيش السوري الحر كتيبة أل هرموش
قامت مجموعة من كتيبة أل هرموش في جبل الزاوية بضرب حاجز المداجن الشرقي وحاجز الكازية والحاجز الغربي وحاجز البياضة على طريق الرامي البارحة مساء وتم قتل وجرح عددكبير من عصابات الأسد المتواجدة على الحواجز الأربعة
((وما النصر إلا من عند الله))
8 hours ago

Jad

I tend to believe Al Arabi as it is his first mission since he joined the AL. We will see if the Arab League emerging from the Arab Spring and with a new strong leader would be able to deal with the increasing challenge of the region.

The AL league under Amr Moussa gave the greenlight to a no fly zone in Libya that turned out to be a no-mercy and a regime change carte blanche. It was the second regime change in Arab countries done by foreign military powers and not objected by the AL.
I think AL would want to restore its position as an Arab independent organization keen to solve Arab problems without resorting to greedy foreign power military power. Therefore I believe they will do the outmost to reach a peaceful transition in Syria.

Bronco,
I hope so too, however, I think that his mission is going to be close to impossible especially when the US, EU and parts the oppositions are calling for escalations instead of any dialogue. while on the ground in Homs things are really going out of hand and terrorist attacks are so spread that people are kidnapped and killed every hour to make things worse. It’s much easier and cheaper for the oppositions and the west to make chaos than fixing anything.

ماكين: خيارات عسكرية في سوريا أمر يمكن ان يؤخذ في الاعتبار

أكد عضو مجلس الشيوخ الاميركي البارز جون ماكين الاحد أن الخيار العسكري في سوريا غير مستبعد.

عمان: قال عضو مجلس الشيوخ الاميركي البارز جون ماكين الاحد ان عمليات عسكرية ضد سوريا حيث ادى قمع النظام لمعارضيه الى اكثر من ثلاثة آلاف قتيل أمر يمكن ان يؤخذ في الاعتبار.
وقال ماكين في جلسة بعنوان “أولويات السياسة الخارجية الأميركية” في المنتدى الاقتصادي العالمي المنعقد حاليا في الشونة على شاطىء البحر الميت (50 كلم غرب عمان) “الآن وبعد أن تم الانتهاء من العمليات العسكرية في ليبيا، سوف سيكون هناك تركيز من جديد على ما يمكن أن يؤخذ بعين الاعتبار من خيارات عسكرية عملية لحماية أرواح المدنيين في سوريا”.

واضاف “يبدو ان الثورة السورية دخلت الآن مرحلة جديدة (…) هناك المزيد من الانشقاقات في صفوف الجيش وأكثر من ذلك يبدو أن السوريين قد حملوا السلاح ضد النظام”.
واوضح ماكين ان “هناك المزيد من الدعوات من قبل المعارضة لنوع من التدخل العسكري الأجنبي، ونحن نستمع اليهم ونعمل مع المجلس الوطني السوري”.

وقال ماكين خصم اوباما في الانتخابات الرئاسية التي جرت في 2008، ان “على نظام (الرئيس السوري بشار) الاسد ان لا يظن انه يمكن ان يفلت مما ارتكبه من قتل جماعي، القذافي ارتكب هذا الخطأ الذي كلفه كل شيء”.
وتشهد سوريا منذ منتصف اذار/مارس حركة احتجاجية لا سابق لها سقط خلالها اكثر من ثلاثة آلاف قتيل بينهم 187 طفلا على الاقل منذ 15 اذار/مارس بحسب الامم المتحدة التي حذرت من مخاطر وقوع “حرب اهلية”.

من جانب آخر، اكد ماكين انه “سيكون من الحكمة على الزعماء الايرانيين الاستماع الى النصائح”، مشيرا الى ان “محاولتهم اغتيال السفير السعودي في واشنطن ذكر الأميركيين بالخطر الذي يشكله هذا النظام”.
وكانت ايران نفت بشدة ضلوعها في ما وصفته الولايات المتحدة مؤامرة اعدها فيلق القدس (القوات الخاصة في الحرس الثوري الايراني) لقتل السفير السعودي.

وانتقد ماكين “قوى الظلام في هذه المنطقة، خصوصا في إيران التي تعمل أكثر من أي وقت مضى لاختطاف ما يسميه الكثيرون الربيع العربي”.
وقال ان “هذه المخاوف حقيقية ومشروعة وتستحق منا اليقظة”.

وكان العاهل الاردني الملك عبد الله الثاني استقبل ماكين في وقت سابق من هذا اليوم.
وبحسب وكالة الانباء الاردنية الرسمية فان اللقاء “ركز على الاوضاع في منطقة الشرق الاوسط وما تشهده الساحة العربية من تغيرات سياسية”.

الاتحاد الاوروبي يهدد سوريا بعقوبات جديدة اذا واصلت قمع المحتجين
من جهته حذر رئيس الاتحاد الاوروبي هرمان فان رومبوي الاحد في بروكسل من ان الاتحاد مستعد لاتخاذ عقوبات جديدة بحق سوريا اذا لم يكف نظامها عن قمع التظاهرات.
وصرح فان رومبوي للصحافيين ان قادة الاتحاد الاوروبي المجتمعين في قمة في بروكسل اعربوا عن “قلقهم الشديد من العنف ضد الشعب” السوري وانهم “سيفرضون قيودا جديدة على النظام” اذا استمر القمع.

وقد اتخذت اوروبا عقوبات عدة بحق دمشق لا سيما الحظر على الاسلحة والامدادات النفطية.
وفي بيان القمة النهائي دعا القادة الاوروبيون مجددا الرئيس السوري بشار الاسد الى “التنحي عن الحكم وفتح المجال لمرحلة انتقالية سياسية”.

ودان الاوروبيون “باشد العبارات القمع الشديد” الذي قالت الامم المتحدة انه اسفر عن سقوط ثلاثة الاف قتيل منذ اندلاع حركة الاحتجاج.
كما دعوا مجددا “جميع اعضاء مجلس الامن الدولي الى تحمل كل مسؤولياتهم ازاء الوضع في سوريا” وفق ما جاء في البيان.

وقد استخدمت روسيا والصين حقهما في النقض (الفيتو) بداية الشهر ضد مشروع قرار عرضه الغربيون لادانة القمع في سوريا بينما امتنعت جنوب افريقيا والبرازيل والهند عن التصويت.

http://65.17.227.85/Web/news/2011/10/691095.html?entry=articleTaggedArticles

Remember all the chants and slogans for democracy and freedom for all Libyans to live in a modern and progressive society? Well, it didn’t take long for the Islamists to take control of the Libyan revolution and reveal their true agenda for Libya’s future to be based on Sharia law. They, of course, wished the Syrian revolution similar success. I wonder how the Libyan secularists feel today…

How any secularist with any knowledge of Islamists ideology believes in any movement led by Islamists is beyond my comprehensions!!

أعلن مصطفى عبدالجليل، رئيس المجلس الوطني الانتقالي الليبي، اليوم الأحد، في الاحتفال بتحرير ليبيا في مدينة بنغازي، أن “الشريعة الإسلامية هي المصدر الرئيس للقوانين”.

وأكد أن كل القوانين التي تخالف الشريعة الإسلامية ستصبح ملغاة ومنها قانون حظر تعدد الزوجات.

وترحم عبدالجليل على “كل العسكريين والمدنيين، ومن بينهم الفريق عبدالرحمن يونس ورفاقه”.

وأضاف أنه سيتم إنشاء مصارف إسلامية في البلاد لا تتعامل بالربا. وأعلن كذلك ترقية استثنائية لكل العسكريين والمدنيين الذين شاركوا في القتال. ودعا الشعب الليبي إلى “التسامح في تسوية الحقوق الضائعة خلال حقبة القذافي”.

وتمنى رئيس المجلس الانتقالي للشعبين السوري واليمني النصر في ثورتيهما.

وبدأت اليوم الأحد في مدينة بنغازي الليبية الاحتفالات بتحرير كامل التراب الليبي عقب مقتل معمر القذافي الذي حكم البلاد لمدة 42 عاماً.

وقال مسؤول افتتح المراسم في بنغازي: “نعلن للعالم أجمع أننا حررنا بلادنا الحبيبة بمدنها وقراها وسهولها وجبالها وصحرائها وسمائها”.

وقال المتحدث باسم أسر الشهداء إن “القذافي ذهب إلى قمامة التاريخ.. وإن روحه تصلى الجحيم الآن.. بينما جثته ملقاة تحت أقدام الثوار”.

ووجه المتحدث باسم سرايا الثورة “التحية إلى الأبطال والشهداء الذين شاركوا في النصر”.

وتجمع الآلاف في الساحة المركزية في بنغازي، ثاني مدن البلاد، التي منها انطلقت في منتصف فبراير/شباط الثورة على نظام القذافي الذي قتل الخميس الماضي.

وبدأت الاحتفالات بعرض عسكري رمزي، فيما عمّت الاحتفالات باقي المدن الليبية.

وأظهرت لقطات تلفزيون زعيم المجلس الوطني الانتقالي وهو يحيي مسؤولين أمام ألوف الأشخاص الذين يلوحون بالأعلام. وكان الكثير من الجنود والمقاتلين حاضرين في المكان.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/23/173317.html

Sorry for the late replies.

Norman:

I think so, and I think it should be done as quickly as possible. And I hope Bashar and the government knows that if they don’t act quick, the West will come knocking.

N.Z.:

I never claimed to be Syrian, but I have Syrian relatives, and yes, normal Syrians have begun to see everything through a sectarian prism too.

Again, I’m secular, and I’m actually focusing more on the Iran-Saudi clash than a sectarian one. The problem is just that the Saudis have large influence among Sunnis, and Iran has a lot of influence among Shias. This is simply fact, which has to be taken into consideration.

For every tyrant there is an end. If Bashar and his clowns have any ounce of brain left they will learn from the Kadafi experience and save the peaceful Syrian people further bloodshed. Their best bet is to hand themselves to the International Criminal Court, this will spare them a similar end to Kadafi. A well deserved long prison sentence is preferable to the end Kadafi met. As for the more junior clowns who participated in the killings, well tough luck, they will face the music sooner or later and no one with blood on his or her hands will escape justice.

League initiative for Syria will not fly – October 25, 2011

There is no common ground to build on between the opposition and government or between both sides and the Arab bloc

http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/league-initiative-for-syria-will-not-fly-1.917919

Although their country is a founding member of the Arab League, Syrians of all colours, both the opposition and regime, were never too fond of the Cairo-based organisation. The Syrian regime understands its symbolic value of adhering to League resolutions, but realises that the League has failed, almost at every single occasion of its 67-year history, at preventing “undesirable events” from happening in the Arab World. The most recent failures, Syrian officials say, are the 2003 war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon and the 2011 Nato war on Libya.

Now the League is positioning itself as a credible mediator in the Syria crisis, offering to bring the government and the exiled Syrian National Council for talks at the League’s headquarters in Cairo. That needs to be done within a 15-day grace period, whereas violence needs to stop on the Syrian streets and so do operations of the Syrian Army in different Syrian cities. To date, Syria’s strong ally, Russia, has extended support to the League Initiative.

The street is furious with the 15-day grace period, staging demonstrations last Friday against the League timeframe, claiming that it paves the way for more bloodshed in Syria. The opposition also claims that the League is biased towards Syrian officialdom, and does not want more regimes to fall in the Arab world. For its part, the Syrian government has said that it will accept the League initiative, “with conditions.” Condition I would be for dialogue to take place in Damascus rather than Cairo. Condition II is for talks to take place with the Syrian opposition at large, and not the National Council, which was created in Istanbul last month and which includes the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. As far as the regime is concerned, the Council “does not represent the Syrian street.” Condition III is that operations of the Syrian Army are “not up for negotiations” within the League framework.

Progress in doubt

Another sticking point is that Qatar currently heads the League and is due to supervise the upcoming League ministerial committee that is due to arrive in Damascus on Wednesday. The delegation will include the League Secretary General Nabeel Al Arabi and the foreign ministers of Algeria, Egypt, Oman and Sudan. The Syrian government is saying that Qatar is no longer impartial and has taken sides with the opposition against the Syrian regime. Syrian officialdom is furious, to say the least, with Al Jazeera’s coverage of events in Syria. Then last Wednesday, Qatar announced that it was willing to step down from the League’s ministerial committee, if that made life easier for the Syrians. Because of these two developments, Syria will welcome the League committee this week, but it is highly doubtful if any progress will be made, for the following reasons:

1. The League lacks enforcement measures to pressure Syria, if negotiations reach a bottleneck. The only measure it can take is freezing Syria’s membership in the League, which although symbolic, would not really damage or even hurt the Syrians. Egypt had its membership frozen for an entire decade, right after Camp David, but it eventually turned a new page with the League by the 1990s. Syria can do the same, if need be, although Syrian authorities are certain Arab countries would vote against suspending Syria’s membership, such as Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan and Algeria.

2. The Syrian government is not willing to sit and talk with the National Council, and the Council has said that it will only sit down with regime officials to negotiate exodus of the Syrian regime. Both parties refuse to budge and the League is completely incapable of changing their views.

3. Syria is saying that dialogue in Damascus will take place with “the national opposition” that refused foreign intervention in the Syrian crisis. They point to figures like ex-economy professor Aref Dalilah, former Baathist Hussain Al Odat, and exiled human rights activist Haitham Manaa, who recently shocked the Council by siding with the regime against it, saying that its members are creations of the US, Turkey, and France. Manaa, who remains persona non grata in Damascus, remains one of the most balanced and respected opposition figures in the diaspora. Back in 2003, he visited Syria at the invitation of the Syrian government, hailed as an iconic figure for saying that there will be no Ahmad Chalabis in Syria willing to topple the regime through the assistance of US tanks.

Now he is positioning himself as a moderate yet again, although he was among the loudest of voices in the opposition back in March, when disturbances started in his native Daraa. The Council, which is already being courted by world capitals and Arab ones like Libya, has said that it refuses any dialogue with anybody but the Council itself. Al Odat, who is spokesman of the National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change, welcomed the League initiative as it stands.

Precisely because of the points mentioned above, it is doubtful that the League initiative will fly. Neither side takes the League very seriously, and today, eight months into the crisis, Syria feels it is “back in control” whereas the foreign-based opposition is certain that the regime “is about to fall, any minute now.” There simply is no common ground to build upon between the Council and government on one front, and between both sides and the League, on the other.

;POUAY SAFI IS AZIONIST SHILL,PROOF!!! [FLASHBACK-SYRIAWATCH- Syrian Opposition met in DC with (NEOCON/ZIONIST) ”New American Foundation” http://thenakedfacts.blogspot.com/2011/07/syriawatch-syrian-opposition-met-in-dc.html (Louay Safi – CAUGHT-EXPOSED)

Louay Safi( Syrian American Council)…He serves on the board of Muslim organizations, including the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy (CSID), http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_the_Study_of_Islam_and_Democracy

CSID program officer Aly Abuzakuk was a founding member of the National Front for the Salvation of Libya, a group dedicated to assassinating Muammar Gaddafi and overthrowing his regime. [2][3] Ex-staff Dr. Abdulwahab Alkebsi went from his position as Executive Director of the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy to become the Program Director for the Middle East and North Africa at the National Endowment for Democracy. [5]

There is something wrong every body is fighting and killing people for what because the one side wants this and the other side wants that Have you ever thought about the public no you have not because with all this fighting and killing nobody wins we all lose Get these people that have there thoughts and matters on different issues in one room lock the door (((( give them each a gun ))) so if they cannot come to a conclusion let them kill each other and get done with it They are ruining and destroying people,s lives with there politic,s and bullshit I think that should solve this in house fighting and killing as they do not suffer but the people do and if you see the mails and photo,s it is a disgrace to human kind