RE: “…the Turkish Islamist regime deliberately helped produce a Syrian leadership that is more Islamist and more Muslim Brotherhood controlled than was necessary…”

Maybe true. But perhaps the Turks understand, better than the Syrians, what the Syrian government should look like after Besho, Asma and the little Beshos are dead…

Worth repeating as a consideration to pursue the saving of lives rather than following the path of killing more people.

All Syrians aught to read this link, especially those who have applauded the demise of Khaddafi in Libya. Interesting to say the least.

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=666

Regarding Abeer Safi ‘sectarian’ death story:
1- It’s impossible that an Alawite girl to be in the middle of Baba Omar demonstration which almost excluded for male, especially in the ‘war zone’ of Homs
2- She wasn’t killed during the demonstration of Baba Omar as claimed, but AFTER the demonstration of Alinsha2at on her way BACK walking which leave lots of questions especially in the hostile sectarian life of Homs
I wont be so quick to blame her death on the regime since now a days in Homs the killing is very sectarian and she might be killed by the terrorist group themselves but when they knew that she was ‘near’ the inhsa2at demonstration it was a good catch, Alawite, Girl, Killed…you have an excellent story of showing that ‘Alawite’ ‘Female’ also participate in the uprising and she was killed by the regime..too good to be true.

Remember all the chants and slogans for democracy and freedom for all Libyans to live in a modern and progressive society? Well, it didn’t take long for the Islamists to take control of the Libyan revolution and reveal their true agenda for Libya’s future to be based on Sharia law. They, of course, wished the Syrian revolution similar success. I wonder how the Libyan secularists feel today…

How any secularist with any knowledge of Islamists ideology believes in any movement led by Islamists is beyond my comprehensions!!

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http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/23/173317.html

@3

Open joshua’s link and read Abeer writings on her FB then judge for yourself how lack of intellectuals honesty post# 3 expresses.

Syria to emerge stronger, stick to national principles: chief of staff

2011-10-23

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-10/23/c_131206975.htm

DAMASCUS, Oct. 22 (Xinhua) — Syria’s army chief of staff said Saturday that Syria will emerge from the months-long crisis stronger and will stick to its national principles.

General Fahd Jassem al-Freij was quoted by the Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) as saying at a graduation ceremony of maritime college students that Syria is subject to “a new chapter of Western, American and Zionist conspiracy against the region’s peoples.”

He accused the West of attempting to undermine Syria’s national coherence and destabilize the country.

He stressed that Syrian people reject foreign intervention, support the ongoing process of reforms announced by the Syrian leadership a few months ago, and strongly back the armed forces in their confrontation with armed terrorist groups.

He criticized the West for turning a blind eye to “Israeli occupation’s persisting violations of human rights in Palestine, the Golan Heights and south Lebanon, mistakenly believing that they could push Syria to abandon its support of resistance.”

“Syria would never make compromises on Arab rights and would walk out of the crisis stronger and more determined to cling fast to its national principles,” he said.

Freij said media coverage by some “provocative” channels is unprofessional “and they are part (of those) carrying out the plot against Syria.”

In another development, hundreds of Syrians staged a sit-in Saturday in front of the Turkish embassy in Damascus to voice rejection of the Turkish government’s stances, Sana reported.

Participants holding Syrian flags and banners called for respect of the sovereignty of Syria and the independence of its decision-making, chanting slogans for national unity and rejecting foreign interference in Syria’s internal affairs.

Syria has been in turmoil for more than seven months, which it blames on foreign conspiracy and armed thugs. It said more than 1, 000 army members have been killed since the eruption of protests in mid-March, while a recent UN tally put the number of civilian and army personnel deaths at more than 3,000.

Iranian president urges West not to provoke Syria – 2011-10-23

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-10/23/c_131206961.htm

TEHRAN, Oct. 22 (Xinhua) — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the West should avoid repeated provocations toward Syria or exerting pressure on the country, Iran’s presidential website reported Saturday.

Ahmadinejad made the remarks in an interview with CNN Saturday.

Asked about Iran’s stance concerning Syria’s recent developments and Turkey’s position toward the country, Ahmadinejad said that “Iran has condemned massacre and killings in every part of the world and believes that governments and people can resolve all their problems through dialogue.”

NATO and other countries should not interfere in the internal affairs of the countries, he said, adding that European states should avoid provocating or exerting pressure on Syria.

According to Ahmadinejad, Iran is seeking to encourage understanding and dialogue between the Syrian government and the opposition.

Oh. My. God. From the comments section of that Pajamas site, the most erroneous commentary on the situation yet:

“You are so right. We are assisting Obama in ushering in the SHIITE CALIPHATE. We are being duped by our current unvetted President, Barack Hussein Obama who is using an old Shiite custom of Taqiyya, ie. deceive your enemies . BHO Sr. (father of current U.S. president) was a Shiite as is our U.S. President. (Please seeShiite Muslims make-up 15% and Sunni Muslims 85% of the Middle East total. Iran is Shiite. Obama’s friendship with Amedinajhad and the Muslim Brotherhood (Shiite)as he slaughtered Iranian students and now protestors in Pakistan (Sunnis) is not so difficult to understand if one is following the pattern Mr. Obama is leaving in the Middle East and Northern Africa. Please note how only Al-Queda is ever mentioned as terrorists in the world. Al-Queda is a radicalized Sunni organization. President Obama is always talking about and KILLING Al-Queda operatives. Obama leads the charge with U.S. blood and money toward his Shiite caliphate. One only needs do the research.
Obama is supporting the Rebels and NATO, better known as the Shiite-dominated Muslim Brotherhood. Note how he ushers in quick elections where only the Muslim Brotherhood can win using U. S. dollars. Our illegal involvement in Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Tunisia and now Pakistan, moderate Sunni-led governments, while Obama pulls out of Iraq and overlooks Iran’s (Shiite) threats show BHO’s loyalties. Now Israel will be fully exposed to barbarian elements, and BHO will, with our blood and money, destroy Israel. Osama Bin Laden (ex leader of “Al-Queda”, radicalized Sunnis, who Obama puts forth as THE TERRORISTS of the world) and family was the beginning of the dismantling of Pakistan, not to avenge the heinous murder of 3,000 U.S. civilians (very clever). Obama’s administration pays the Shiite Muslim Brotherhood as advisors and are on the payroll of the United States.
BHO is destroying the U.S. (as is his goal) through monetary waste, dependency on Middle Eastern oil, job loss, etc. all of which is laying the groundwork for a radical global Shiite take over . Are we using our best and bravest resources along with all of our money to render us powerless in order to build Obama’s Shiite Caliphate throughout the world?”

Syrian opposition rallies in central Homs province: report

2011-10-21

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-10/21/c_131205336.htm

DAMASCUS, Oct. 21 (Xinhua) — Few anti-government rallies were held Friday in Syria’s central province of Homs, as armed groups opened fire in some neighborhoods there, the private Sham FM radio station reported.

Crackles of gunfire were heard at Insha’at, one of Homs’ neighborhoods, witnesses told Xinhua by phone.

Homs, located some 160 km north of Syria’s capital of Damascus, has been a hotbed of dissents and mass protests since the popular uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime began in mid-March.

Syria’s official media has been reporting on a daily basis confessions by alleged terrorists in Homs and other cities in addition to news of seizing weapons and ammunition particularly in Homs.

Anti-government rallies were held also in the predominantly Kurdish northeastern region of Qamishli region and some rural areas of northern province of Aleppo.

The Private Addounia TV said Friday that Syrian authorities arrested an armed group in Homs, adding that seven unidentified bodies were founded in a car there.

Meanwhile, the pan-Arab al-Jazeera TV aired live footage picturing massive protest against the regime of Assad in Homs. It quoted activists as saying that 16 people were killed in several Syrian cities.

However, Syria’s state-run TV disputed the footage by al- Jazeera as “baseless” and fabricated.

The Syrian government has staunchly defended its crackdown in the face of increasing international pressure to end the bloodshed, claiming that it’s hunting down armed groups that carry out a foreign conspiracy in the country.

Unreported World this time from Syria – Amazing Channel 4 documentary film 21.10.2011

Dr Landis,
You never stopped to surprise me with your ‘sectarian’ views/analysis of Syria.
Is the religion of any ‘politician’ is that important in the ‘new’ Syria that it needs to be clearly put in the ‘politician’ CV?
Didn’t you know that Syrians don’t put the religion or sect or the tribe name on their IDs and Passports since the 70s?
Are the States/Europe politicians are introduce by their religion-ethic-gender backgrounds?
Why Syria through your eyes and analysis must be dissected by religion-tribal elements instead of the qualities of it’s people?
Instead of steering this sectarian ideas you have to be part of the new Syria that everybody is judges according to his/her qualities not his/her sect and tribe.

It is good to see Joshua posting,Syria will go through major changes in the next two months,and I like to see you part of it

Sadek’s story is a journey into the mind of Gaddafi.
To all those saddened by the ousting of no. 3, you ought to read this:

FOR three days, Ibrahim Shwehdi was strung up and had his legs beaten by Muammar Gaddafi’s thugs. That was more than a quarter of a century ago, but Ibrahim never walked properly again. Today he is confined to a wheelchair.

But that is nothing, he says, compared with what happened to his brother. “Everyone in Libya knows Sadek’s story,” he tells The Australian. “He was a beautiful brother.”

Sadek’s story is a journey into the mind of Colonel Gaddafi.

Sadek was a student who had been educated in the US but returned to Libya to complete postgraduate studies. While qualifying as an aeronautical engineer at university in Oklahoma, he arranged forums about the direction of Libya under Colonel Gaddafi. Libya’s secret police had obviously been monitoring him, and soon after his return he was detained.

On the morning of June 6, 1984, about 6000 students ranging from six-year-old primary school children to university students were told they were being taken to see Colonel Gaddafi make a speech.

Dozens of buses took them to the major venue in Libya’s second city, Benghazi, the Suliman al-Darat Sports Hall.

As they walked into the massive stadium, they saw in the middle of the basketball court a long, thin curtain hanging from the roof.

Finally, at 4pm, the show started, broadcast live on state television. Seven judges appeared and announced they were putting Sadek Shwehdi on trial.

As the students watched, the judges asked: Are you Sadek Shwehdi? He was, he answered.

Had he been disloyal to Muammar Gaddafi? He had not, he said.

The judges said they had evidence he had been – and declared he had been found guilty.

A stunned Sadek was walked over to the centre of the basketball court and the curtain dropped away revealing a noose.

At this point, says Ibrahim, there were sounds of horror from the audience. Some shouted “No!”

The noose was put around Sadek’s neck, at which point he began crying and, although 30 years of age, shouted: “I want to see my mother.”

The rope was pulled up until he was hanging. But without the usual trapdoor and sudden fall, it was too slow to kill him.

One of Colonel Gaddafi’s supporters in Benghazi, a woman called Hoda Benamer, rushed over and began swinging on Sadek’s legs, trying to finish him off.

He would not die. So he was lowered to the floor and taken to Hawari Hospital, where five doctors examined him before one injected him with poison.

Still they could not kill him. So one of the doctors filled a sock with sand and pushed it down his throat. They held his nose so he couldn’t breathe. Finally, he died.

Far from hiding his regime’s brutality – and incompetence – Colonel Gaddafi insisted the botched hanging be replayed on television three times a day.

Started to read Landis post and got so bored and annoyed this Sunday morning. I am sorry, it is frustrating to go though his articles and how he writes everything with sectarian binocular, zooming in on sect only. It is even more depressing to read about the various opposition or oppositionist parties and personalities, because, any experienced and western trained person can see that none of them have chance at getting to the position they are clamoring and, if they did, what a sad ending for Syria, downhill from that point. I am not saying that the Baathists ought to rule Syria for another year, or even another day, I am saying that for those Syrians that oppose the regime better stop wasting time and assemble an inspiring team with creative and technocratic agenda now, not next week. Those assembled by NATO support and the “Three humps slobbering Musluman Turkmen” just don’t cut it. It seems that the Council was deliberately installed that way just to add fear and pressure on Assad but not really to move one step toward the falsely intended goal. No wonder that they are split on foreign Intervention, one side that wants to prolong this Council mission for few decades while they are making good use of the cash given to them, the other side, are the realist and sincere in their mission in fact because they understand that without NATO or Turkey military back up they are not going anywhere. Assad can spend few decades doing the very same and not have to give in. How long the wait it is going to be? SNP can wait 1-2 years no more. It will come a time in the end that for Nationalist Party, it is Un-Nationalistic position not to join the opposition.

NZ

Thank you for post # 13. Although I was horrified by his mode of death but sure he deserved it. I hope a complete closure is brought to libya by capturing the “civil” Seif al Islam and trying him. Utter humiliation is what I ‘d like Seif to go through.

Hans

You mentioned women and their role in the SNC. I think you might like to read this:

http://forusa.org/blogs/mohja-kahf/womens-mass-protests-during-syrian-revolution-preliminary-analysis/9691

Women began protesting in large groups of women in late March However, because women were not seen street-protesting in the first few electrifying days of massive protests especially in Dara March 18-24, the Syrian revolution was early typified by the viewer reaction, “Where are the women?” This characterization of women’s absence deserves to be overturned, however. 

Besides providing logistical work for protest activity, and moral and intellectual guidance for the nonviolence movement, and besides the fact that two very large coalitions of grassroots protest organizations are led by two women, Suhair Atassi and Razan Zaitouneh, Syrian women have in fact been participating in mass street protests, regularly and in relatively large numbers.  By late April, one can say that almost no two days went by without a mass protest by women somewhere in Syria.  To give a bare-bones count for one month, there are videos of twenty-six different June protests on YouTube characterized by their uploaders as “women’s protests.” By mid-October (to Oct. 14th), I counted 12 street protests characterized as “women’s.”

Women’s mass protest activity in Syria takes all the same forms taken by mass protests populated mostly by men: day protests, night protests, marches through main streets, marches through small neighborhood streets, candle vigils, sit-ins, interfaith and inter-sect rallies, silent marches (actually I don’t think men have used this last form). In addition, women have innovated one form of protest men have not done: the Indoor Protest, usually held in what often appears to be an events hall or somebody’s large living room, with curtains drawn. In the Indoor Protest, women at the front of the room may read a statement, while the crowd stands holding up signs and chanting protest songs. Women of Tal and Kisweh, for example, held such protests in summer.

Outdoors, women have had separate women-only rallies; rallies where large contingents of women form a wing in a rally with usually much larger numbers of men; family rallies which include men, women, and children; rallies which include women and children; and mixed gender rallies where a large number of women are marching side by side or in the middle ranks of men, as in a Binnish student rally on October 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34rhUsffexw). A woman’s voice is heard at the megaphone of the all-women’s rallies leading the songs, about as often as a man’s voice is heard.  At times, women addressed rallies populated mostly by men, such as nonviolence teacher Hanan Laham addressing a Daraya rally on April 25.

Early rallies were done primarily with women’s faces bare. By mid-May, many women were wrapping their faces in protest videos to protect identities; later face-veiling became widespread at Syrian protests, among men, too. This is due to the enormous numbers of detentions that are part of the regime’s military response to the protests; videos are used by state police to pursue and imprison protesters. The number of women who face-veil in Syria under normal circumstances is far, far fewer than the proportion of face-veiled women in protest videos. Ironically, the regime whose severity causes them to mask their faces uses footage of face-veiled women on state tv to dismiss the opposition as extremist Muslims. Face-masking for identity protection has become quite creative among both women and men. In a July 25 protest by young women in Zabadani, little Syrian flags serve as face veils.

A turning point in the timeline of women’s rallies seem to be the Bayda women’s rallies of April 13. Nearly every adult male from Bayda had been imprisoned in an attack on the town, and the rally demanded their release. With this protest, women’s rallies seemed to gain more visibility in the consciousness of people following the Syrian revolution. Perhaps this is because of the drama with which the Bayda women’s rallies marched along the highway, including a moment when they blocked a tank on the highway and spoke directly to cameras. One video from this protest features an elder woman who declares “I am a free woman daughter of a free woman!” It went viral.

The most massive all-women’s rally seems to be the one held in Jasem, Dara, on April 28. The prize for most creative protest in my book goes to these schoolgirls of Zabadani, who on September 4 formed a living Syrian flag by wearing red, white, and black headkerchiefs. Two middle girls carry green stars.

The release of prisoners has been a rallying call in most women’s rallies. Prisoners of conscience are a key theme in this revolution from the Dara children imprisoned in February for writing revolutionary slogans on school walls, to the March 16 trigger event, a family vigil for the prisoners organized and highly populated by women, held in front of the Interior Ministry at Marjeh Square, Damascus. “The fall of the regime” became a call in women’s rallies at the same time as it became a general call in male-populated Syrian protests. Other rallying calls in women’s protests, as in protests with mostly male participants, are the names of the fallen, and solidarity with whatever Syrian city is under military attack by the regime that week. However, the release of prisoners as a rallying call seems more constant in women’s protests, overall.  Thus, women of Syria seem to be keeping the prisoners, a trigger and theme of this revolution, at the forefront of consciousness. 

Mohja Kahf’s blog
   

Tara,
Could you please understand my comment, my point wasn’t that the regime didn’t kill her or to say that the regime is incapable of doing this crime or to say that she is not a pro-freedom.
My point is that her death circumstances are a bit questionable during these horrible times of Homs and that she might be a victim of the sectarian war.
Many people in Homs are getting killed according to their sects not to their stand with/against any side.

Jad

Ok. Your civil and honest way of answering me leaves me no choice not to read you reply and agree.

Jad,

Because Syrians are sectarian, We have to acknowledge that they do not like president Assad because of his religion not because of his policies.

To those who did not applaud his demise, and are petrified by replacing his green book, with Islamic laws:

The Italian author and journalist Oriana Fallaci interviewed Gaddafi in 1979. Towards the end of the interview, he explained to her how his Green Book will change the world and protect the Libyan people. He is yelling:

‘The Green Book is the new Gospel! The Gospel of the future, the new age! The Green Book is the world! In the beginning there was the word, say the Gospels. The Green Book is the word, my word! A word from my book can destroy the world, it can make the world explode! A word from my book can redeem the world and change the value of things. Their weight. Their volume. Everywhere and always! Because I am the Gospel. I am the Gospel.’

Tara,

Hopefully we will hear soon about his capture.

@Norman

Has nothing to do with his sect as a President, he and many high end Alawites in the regime are married to good Sunni families. It is all about standard of living, career, unemployment, freedom, progressiveness, women standards and issues, draconian family issues, legendary Baathist bureaucratic nightmare, citizen dignity, futures, cost of living, youth marriage/residence, army service, and of course the standard mahsoubieh, waasta and corruption. It is about an outdated, worn out socio-econo and politico system. Assad and his Baathist are acting with slogans like this:
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Tara,
Thank you!
I just went to the facebook site dedicated to Abeer Safi, please read this post by the admin
https://www.facebook.com/girl.homs?sk=info

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Norman,
I disagree with this sentence, “Because Syrians are sectarian”
the majority of Syrians are NOT sectarian otherwise, you will see them in the streets killing each others.

“because of his religion not because of his policies.”
Some Syrians with radical influence may think this way but the majority of Syrians are more concern about ‘his policies’ that proved not to be working properly and it needs to be revisited and corrected for the best interests of all Syrians not only the top ‘few’.

I strongly believe that only by Nonviolence movement and dialogue we can do all the changes in Syria, violence and sectarian strategies doesn’t work in our society, and those who keep pushing it on us are too ignorant of the Syrian society, we are way too civilized than most the world think.

#11

“How sectarian of you, Dr Landis!” says the one who forecasts all sorts of doom that will befall Syria if Islamists are allowed to have any role in a non-Assadist Syria, while looking the other way when it comes to the most sectarian/tribal dictatorship one can ever imagine. Can’t you see how sectarian it is of you to doubt that an Alawi girl would demonstrate against the regime, and how it offers the greatest evidence of the sectarian nature of the current gangesters?

I think all of those who fear the Islamists of all shades and colors truly insult the Syrian People by implying that they would elect religious fanatics to completely dominate the new Syria or would approve a constitution that would discriminate against minorities. But you know that and yet you continue with your propoganda for the Mafiosi and against true meaningful change (not the sort that Louai Hussien will ever be able to bring about by going along with BtB’s “reforms”).

Violence should not be the way, I agree, but have you tried telling that to the killers jailers and torturers Bashar depends on to survive and who “drew first blood”? Why is it that the people must submit to the violence from the regime? Because it is nobler to die that to fight back? Easy for you to say.

Mustafa Abdul Jalil said that the law prohibiting men from marrying 4 wives is now cancelled. Lybian men can now marry more than one woman.

Islamic Sharia law declared source of new Libya legislation

What is the percentage of Christian Lybians?

Tara,

This is the link to the website of Darus Salaam Publications, you can check Al Raheeq al Makhtum from there –

http://www.dar-us-salam.com/

27. Tara said:

“What is the percentage of Christian Lybians?”

Very less, probably around 3 to 5 %.

We must not forget that Christians are Ahle el kitab, they are good, but NOT the collaboartors like Norman, Daryll, Camille Otrakji, etc.
We like honest Christains like Haytham and our Lebanese friend Antoine.

Tara #25,

So what? In Israel there’s a law preventing more that one wife. Still, many Israeli Arabs, mainly Beduwins marry more than one. So is Israel a Salafi state?

Unlike many “experts” on Libya, who claim that Libya is going Islamist, I don’t think so. Yes, Islam will have it’s say. Just like Judaism has it’s say in Israel, and much of our law system is influenced by Jewish values and traditions. That doesn’t say that Israel is ‘Hala7a’ (Jewish Sharia) state.

Libya is mostly urban. More than 90% of Libyans live in cities. They are above average educated, and the standards of living is relatively higher. This is not the typical background for Islamism. Same goes for Syria. The countries that have the potential to go Islamist are Egypt, Jordan and Yemen. Not Syria, Tunisia, Libya and Algeria.
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What’s the real story about the Tunisian elections? Hint, it’s not all about Ennahdha

http://kefteji.wordpress.com/2011/10/20/whats-the-real-story-about-the-tunisian-elections-hint-its-not-all-about-ennahdha/
.

Amir

Good argument as long as the Shariaa law does not translate into cutting the hand of a thief, stoning an adulterer or forcing women to wear the hijab or forbidding them from mixing with men. I am not sure any man in his full mental capacity at this day and age wants or can handle more than one wife.

Khaled

Norman is not islamophobes. Whatever little Camille had written that I read does not qualify him either. I will check out the book you recommended.

Amir

Ironically secular Syrian constitution written by papa Assad clearly states that “Islamic Sharia law is the source of legislation”, a point that Assad Jr emphasized a couple months ago in his speech before the Islamic scholars where he assured them this article will not be changed in any future constitution.

Care to guess how many of those spreading the news today objected back then ? 😉

Bashar has no regard to people whatsoever. He appointed a Makhlouf as a mayor. He is thirsty for more Syrian blood. He will never change.

Joshua
It is fabulous to see you back, even if briefly, which i hope it isn’t.

NK

Exactly! I never heard a single voice complaining. That tell you the kind of people we are dealing with…they are not abiding by principals. They are only motivated by hate and the minorities’ complex disorder.

Nobody is born sectarian but everybody can be induced to act as a sectarian.
Unfortunately , some comments here may produce such result.

Unproven statements such as ” killed by the regime”
“the subsidies go largely to the rich”
” In Syria , Islamic Sharia law is THE source of legislation ”
will only stir more controversies when intelligent people should call for dialogue and violence abating.

The international community has hit Mommar Gadhafi with a raft of sanctions and asset freezes aimed at cutting off his funding. But the embattled Libyan leader is sitting on a pot of gold.
The Libyan central bank — which is under Colonel Gadhafi’s control — holds 143.8 tonnes of gold (SNP estimate (190+-), according to the latest data from the International Monetary Fund, although some suspect the true amount could be several tonnes higher.

Those reserves, among the top 25 (SNP 20th) in the world, are worth more than $16.5 billion at current prices, enough to pay a small army of mercenaries for months or even years.
While many central banks hold their gold reserves in international vaults in London, New York, or Switzerland, Libya’s bullion is in the country, said people familiar with the country’s activities in the gold market.
U.S. and European governments have frozen billions of dollars in Libyan assets, as sanctions have hit the central bank, sovereign wealth fund, and state oil company.
But Libya’s gold reserves may provide Gadhafi with a lifeline — if he can sell them. To raise large amounts of money, bankers said, Gadhafi would have to transport the bullion out of Libya.
Before violence broke out the gold was stored at the central bank in Tripoli. But since then it may have been moved to another location, such as the southern city of Sebha — within reach of the borders with Chad and Niger.
The political turbulence in the Middle East – besides boosting the price of gold to a record $1,444 a troy ounce — has highlighted the property that has for centuries made gold so appealing to criminals, investors and dictators alike: It does not rely on a government for its value.
Following the revolution in Egypt, the country banned gold exports for four months in order to prevent officials of the former government from moving their wealth abroad.
At the same time, Iran has been quietly stocking up on gold in recent years, in an apparent attempt to shift away from the U.S. dollar and thus protect its reserves from risk of seizure. Other significant buyers of gold include China, Russia, and India.
No international bank or trading house is likely to buy gold with any hint of a link to the Libyan regime, bankers said. “Physical trading houses are now quite reluctant to deal with countries that have been involved with conflict — they don’t know who’s on the end of the trade,” said one banker.
But Gadhafi could transport the gold to Chad or Niger, where the gold could be swapped for currency transferred into a bank owned by the Libyan Foreign Bank — a branch of the central bank.
“If a country like Libya wants to make its gold liquid, it would probably be in the form of a swap — whether for arms, food, or cash,” said Walter de Wet, head of commodities research at Standard Bank.
In addition to the gold reserves, Gadhafi may also have hoarded some cash from oil sales outside of the traditional channels.

So loud when MSM media brag about freedom and Democracy for Egypt, Tunisia and Libya but it is so quite, not a hint about those frozen assets and gold reserves, who stole them all?

“Islamic Sharia law is the source of legislation”

Correction:
In the Syrian Constitution Islamic FIQH (not Sharia) is an essential source of legislation
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‘A’ source not ‘THE’ source

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NK,

Excellent point.

This what I like about the Arab spring-awakening-uprise. It exposes so many hypocrisies and contradictions in terms. It forces the Arabs to rewrite their sets of beliefs, and ways of life.
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A rare smart analysis from aljazeera
http://www.aljazeera.net/Mob/Templates/Postings/KnowledgeGateDetailedPage.aspx?GUID=6F3658FB-3D9D-4A7F-A64F-E04B74CB57EF

Jad

Thanks for the correction, you are right it’s Fiqh not Sharia.

That being said, I think that makes it even worse, because the way I see it Fiqh is an expansion of Sharia, here’s a bit more about Fiqh and Sharia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiqh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Also note that a secular state or a secular constitution should not have such an article regardless whether it says (A) or (THE).

*** LOOKS LIKE NATURE TAKING ITS COURSE ***

Strong earthquake hits Turkey, up to 1,000 feared killed

2 hrs 25 mins ago

http://news.yahoo.com/magnitude-7-6-earthquake-hits-eastern-turkey-usgs-105909849.html

“Ambulances, soldiers, emergency teams are everywhere now, working on getting people out of collapsed buildings. I have seen many dead bodies being taken out, the teams are trying to find people alive,”

Turkey’s Kandilli Observatory and Earthquake Research Institute said the magnitude 7.2 earthquake struck at 1041 GMT and was five km (three miles) deep. It was among the strongest in Turkish history, and the worst since 1999.

I wih a MASSIVE earthquake hits Iran and 50,000 ppl die. That day things will get a lot easier for Syrian revolution

11. JAD
the answer as known to evrybody in this link:
http://www.daanspeak.com/IranAttackBernardLewisMap.html

You know Tlass I was going to respond to your earlier post where you mentioned my name as collaborator. Then you produce a post in #45 and thought only a fool would engage you and the people who think like you, unfortunately there are a people like you.

So Tlass, go right ahead, mention my name as many times as you wish and I am going to deprive you of the pleasure of having me responding to your inhumanity.

Tara,
Thank you, The problem is not the Christians in Libya, it is how the laws will treat women.

Jad,

What we see in Homs is an example of the whole country, the reason we do not see more sectarian war is because the Syrian Arab army is not standing on the sideline as did the Lebanese army , but involved directly in protecting the people from each other.

What is the percentage of Muslim women who will suffer under islamist terrorist laws in Lybia?

Syria, Iraq to establish Joint Free Trade Zones – 23/10/2011

http://www.dp-news.com/en/detail.aspx?articleid=100897

DAMASCUS- Director-General of the General Establishment for Free Zones Abdul-Hakim Qaddah on Sunday discussed with Chairman of the Iraqi Free Zones Commission Saleh al-Qaisi and the accompanying delegation the possibility of establishing two joint Syrian-Iraqi free trade zones in al-Ya’arubyia and al-Bukamal in Syria and in Rabia and al-Qaem in Iraq.

The two sides also discussed the means of facilitating the work at the joint free trade zones to increase the volume of trade exchange between the two countries and to introduce the businessmen and the investors on the available economic and investments capabilities and to develop them.

Clarifying the economic and investment regulations in force at the free trade zones, and highlighting the facilitations provided to the Arab and foreign investors through holding conferences, scientific and economic symposiums and benefiting from the experiences in this domain were also on the table.

Qaddah said that the meeting comes in implementation of what was agreed upon during the meetings of the ministerial committee which was held in Baghdad including the establishment of two joint free trade zones, in addition to overcoming the obstacles hindering the Arab and foreign investors from carrying out economic activities that would contribute to increasing the volume of trade exchange between Syria and Iraq.

He added that establishing joint free trade zones would contribute to increasing the flow of goods between the two countries and would enhance the operational capacity of the Syrian and Iraqi ports, in addition to decreasing the costs of goods.

He indicated that a third free trade zone can be established in al-Walid area in Iraq and in al-Tanf in Syria after studying the economic feasibility by both sides taking into consideration that the zone will be an Arab and international distribution center.

For his part, al-Qaisi stressed his country’s desire to further enhance its economic relations with Syria, indicating that Syria has a great experience in the domain of free trade zones.

I just came back from a 2-wk vacation to Syria. I did not take the road trip from Damascus to Lattakia as I was concerned about the news coming from Homs, I have not been to Syria for 2 years. It was a tough decision as our source of news has been CNN, ABC, BBC, Aljazeera and the rest of biased media. I took the flight from Damascus to Lattakia. The life is as normal as it can be in Lattakia. After one week I drove with 2 of my cousins to Damascus. I was uncomfortable with my expectations and with what SC fellows had posted in the past; people like Tara, Tlass, Aboud, to name few who really did not pass a transparent facts to readers of SC, anyway. I thought I will see demonstrations, roads blocked, people shooting and getting shot at…..Damascus that morning was beatiful as usual…..Fairoooz was on the radio, people are runing to work, life is as usual…I finished the work I supposed to do and my cousin said; before we head back, will go and have Fata in Almidan. I did not like the idea at all but they went ahead and drove to Midan. Seeing the facts on the ground and driving all day in Damascus gave me a peace of mind so I did not object the idea and we went ahead and had the best Fata, Homos and 7’bz on Saj.

I should not even mention the word sectarian anymore. I have not seen it, so I am sorry I cannot use this word anymore. I visited two cities Lattakia and Damascus and I can assure readers that life in both cities are normal, I have not encountered any event. Alhamra street is full of people and yes you can get yourself Manaqeesh. You may go for an ice cream at Damer. It was amazing. I hope that people in the opposition be factual. I also encourage people to go back home. FYI the highway close to Homs is well secured. Just seeing the army on the side of the highway brings relief to your heart. The situation in Homs is not good, unfortunately, but I can assure you that the highway is very safe.

It appears that military action against Syria Assad is in the offing, they cannot agree on its form or participants as of now, and that is what is stalling it. President Assad is being naïve thinking that he receives calls from Qatar and he has normal relation with Turkey and the Arabs. Even Jordan is part of a coalition that is being prepared and stocked up with tanks and weapon so it may invade Syria or provide assistant to invading force, in addition to Turkey.

Assad may think that the revolutionary forces are weak or cannot pose a serious threat to his rule. He may think that the NATO-Turkey installed Council is not apt, but that is all by design. NATO/Saudi/ Israel have no interest whatsoever is seeing Syria coming out strong and stable. The goal is to create a facade like the Council but use the same CIA trained foreign fighters used in Libya to wage mayhem in Syria disguised as Syrian Islamic fighters, with the same intended goal of ensuing civil strife in Syria, similar to that of Libya. They too will be sent back to operate against Iraq should Maliki waver away too much in Iran direction.

Syria’s president seeks AU support amid protests – October 23, 2011

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/world/Syrias+president++seeks+AU+support+amid+protests+/-/1068/1260536/-/gui25t/-/

ADDIS ABABA, Sunday

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is seeking Africa’s support to overcome mounting pressure against his regime.

President Assad sent his deputy foreign minister Dr Fayssal Mikdad to Africa Union headquarters in Addis Ababa over the weekend to deliver a message to AU commission chief, Dr Jean Ping.

Africa Union spokesperson Nouredin Mezni said the Syrian envoy explained the current situation in the country to African Union officials and asked for solidarity to defend the interest of Syrian people.

“Syria delegation has requested AU’s diplomatic support in the international stage and at the UN,” Mr Nouredin said.

“We also discussed some issues of common interest between AU and Syria” he added.

Dr Mikdad said his country become a victim of some international media campaign against its image.

The minister explained the ongoing political reforms in Syria to respond to the demands of Syrian people.

Dr Fayssal stressed the importance of solidarity between the Arab and African peoples to overcome the challenges they face.

AU commission chief Jean Ping on his part underlined the need for the reforms Syria has started implementing in response to its people’s desire, and noted that this is the only way to preserve Syria’s stability.

Syria is one of the Arab countries has an observer status at the African Union.

Tara
#25
“Mustafa Abdul Jalil said that the law prohibiting men from marrying 4 wives is now cancelled. Lybian men can now marry more than one woman.”

With so many widows of men who died in the “coup d’etat” of Libya, it is natural and healthy that men could marry up to 4 women so they can replenish the rich and underpopulated country. They will probably get financial support.
Good examples abound in the region: The octogenarian Saudi Arabia King Abdullah has had more than thirty wives, and has fathered at least thirty-five children. ( Wikipedia)

That’s one of the ‘good’ side of the Sharia for men, among others … I am not sure women always agree. Will Tunisia follow?

Is Bashar felling lonely and isolated? Does he miss his role model Quaddafi? Seeking African Union support now!

When is sending an envoy to enlist Myanmar support?

Libya’s liberation: interim ruler unveils more radical than expected plans for Islamic law – 23 Oct. 2011

Libya’s interim leader outlined more radical plans to introduce Islamic law than expected as he declared the official liberation of the country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html

Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, the chairman of the National Transitional Council and de fact president, had already declared that Libyan laws in future would have Sharia, the Islamic code, as its “basic source”.

But that formulation can be interpreted in many ways – it was also the basis of Egypt’s largely secular constitution under President Hosni Mubarak, and remains so after his fall.

Mr Abdul-Jalil went further, specifically lifting immediately, by decree, one law from Col. Gaddafi’s era that he said was in conflict with Sharia – that banning polygamy.

In a blow to those who hoped to see Libya’s economy integrate further into the western world, he announced that in future bank regulations would ban the charging of interest, in line with Sharia. “Interest creates disease and hatred among people,” he said.

Gulf states like the United Arab Emirates, and other Muslim countries, have pioneered the development of Sharia-compliant banks which charge fees rather than interest for loans but they normally run alongside western-style banks.

In the first instance, interest on low-value loans would be waived altogether, he said.

Libya is already the most conservative state in north Africa, banning the sale of alcohol. Mr Abdul-Jalil’s decision – made in advance of the introduction of any democratic process – will please the Islamists who have played a strong role in opposition to Col Gaddafi’s rule and in the uprising but worry the many young liberal Libyans who, while usually observant Muslims, take their political cues from the West.

“……..The minister explained the ongoing political reforms in Syria to respond to the demands of Syrian people. ..”

Wonder why not a single opposition person in Syria, or outside it, thought much of these reforms bragged about by the Baathist regime? It is telling, so far, there were no reforms that an opposition can take advantage of whatsoever, that is the obvious answer. Just going around bragging on reforms made and reforms that will be up coming to unbelieving world may give Assad a comforting feeling, but it does not resolve the real problem and for sure not the consequence of this feel-good sherade.

Khalid Tlass #45

I think that God will hear you because you are the kind of authentic Moslem everyone wants to emulate. You are probably even inspiring many conversions. Keep the good work and you’ll get the promised reward, for sure.

Bronco

Ah..I am not so sure that marrying more than one is a good side of Sharia for men. Lots of men can’t handle one woman let alone four. Women being often moody and catty can be difficult to handle…except of course for King Abdullah. His charm is irresistible….don’t you agree?

Zoo

Bronco

Just like in Syria:  The regime corrupted the soul of the nation:  everyone wondered if everyone else was an informer.  Just like in Syria, you pass the habit of fear on to your children….

22 October 2011 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15405274

Colonel Gaddafi: The last of the buffoon dictators?
By Kevin Connolly

….

He corrupted the soul of the nation. Everyone wondered if everyone else was an informer.

One middle-aged woman told me, at the beginning of this last revolution in the battered centre of the city of Benghazi, that she thought the worst thing about living under a dictatorship was that it made you ashamed that you did not resist, that you were not a hero.
…..

“…except of course for King Abdullah…”

He is actuially a charming person, specially without the rag on his head and with blue pin stripe suite, he is just not very smart at all.

I think Libya is starting on the wrong foot, They are changing the constitution without going to the people, any change of the constitution must be approved by the people, this should be in my opinion over 90% of the people, if it is to be part of the constitution, if it is a law,it can be over 50%.the 90% for the constitution is necessary to protect minorities.

The second thing they are asking the people to give up their arms,This is a sure way to go back to dictatorship, I believe people should never give up arms,Arming people defend democracy.

Tara

So what do you do with the widows of war? Let them bring up their children as single mothers?

4 women under a heavy burka, after a convincing Sheikh briefing about their duties to their husband, plus government financial grant for a big house and support would probably be a good reward for a “revolutionary hero”. I think they can handle that easily and willingly.

As for King Abdallah the rate wife/children is a bit weak. His back problem maybe? And he dies his wig or light hair and his beard black.

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http://www.syriahr.com/30-9-2011-syrian%20observatory4.htm

Swiss officials have gone into Libya to help the National Transitional Council (NTC) freeze the Gaddafi regime’s assets in their tax haven.

The NTC is trying to trace billions of dollars that Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who was killed on Thursday, has siphoned off during his 42-year rule. Much of this is suspected to have been hidden in Switzerland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/prosecutors-fly-to-libya-to-freeze-gaddafis-swiss-assets-2374512.html

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#60 Tara

How can you compare Syrians to Libyans! The Syrian\’s soul is not corrupted. In the contrary it is vibrant and so genuine, refined and friendly that all Arabs loved to visit Syria and loved the openness and kindness of the Syrians, as much as Arabs love visiting Lebanon or Egypt. Can’t say the same about visiting primitive Libya or Saudi Arabia.

Sorry, but your extrapolation appears like a sign of a hidden despise for the Syrian people.

our Christian friends here may help us on this subject:
is it true that the position of Batrak Rai on Syria reflects the thinking of the majority of Lebanon’s Maronites?
A source close to the Batrak (a Lebanese Maronite too)thinks so.
My somewhat limited contacts with the Lebanese maronite community
in the US give me mixed signals,most people want the regime gone but are not sure that the new regime will be secular.
My Syrian friends on the other hand believe that Syria is too big of a fish for the Islaimists to fry by themselves and I tend to agree.

a good article about Saudi Arabia
http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=1986&articleId=2419&ChannelId=46986&Author=???? ???????

@ Tara
You are very good at dodging the question! and questions!
you manipulate the facts to self serve your point!.
I asked where are the women in the SNC I didn’t ask if they are in the street or not… to use your information it is very evident that women were and are big part of the movement on the street but the SNC ignored them as usaul in any retarded Islamic country… they have only two women in the SNC one of them in secretarial position who is christian therefore, she has no voice in a MB gang council, it is a well known manipulation of the big boys MB gang game for ever… you all the Islamist are full of hate to everyone else that’s what is making the revolution in Syria fail and it is clear that your champion USA is waking up to this, you need to read more about the recent white house reports that they are not happy with the Islamists taken over Syria with the help of Turkey which I am hoping few more earth quacks to come and get that Bastard Erodgan busy for the rest of his life. you say that women has been from the beginning of the movement and the continue but obviously they are already marginalized at the SNC and probably for ever if you the MB take over Syria. People are so naive to believe that we are going to have a democracy and better life in Syria, if this movement succeed, we are heading into theocracy similar to Iran, Pakistan, EGYPT and if you are lucky not the KSA.
religion should never rule a country in the 21st century and you guys are not ready for that, hope for the 22nd century or the 100 century before Islam accept true democracy not like the theocratic democracy Turkey has… where minorities in turkey religious or non religious are persecuted by the Turks.

@ Ann I am happy the Iraq is helping Syria now ( even it is because of Iran pushing Nouri Almalaki to do so!!! but Iraq owes Syria a lot for what we had to endure during the Iraqi wars.

@ Tlass many individuals here are irritated so rightly with your retard posting can you grow up if you are an adult and if you are a young man I think you should go to my space where no one follows anymore or FB and post there.

To All it is clear that Libya is not only an example but it is the future way this Arab Spring is heading, more violence, blood shed, destroying countries in the name of democracy, freedom, progressive future, obviously Libya is going back hundreds of years to the colonial time where the west is going to steel the oil for free after being pushed out of Iraq and didn’t get the money they spent there.

The berbric way Libya is heading is an example of where the Arabs are at the current time of civility. Said so remember in Libya it is Sunni against Sunni. Therefore, in Syria if we are going to have Sunni against Alawite then the Massacre is an earth quack of 7 or more on the Richter scale… Shame is only the word should be used.. but no shame in people who are closer to animals then human beings.

Bronco

I don’t know how “tamed” Libyan women are but I know for sure that no Sheikh can be convincing enough to make the outcome of one man marrying four Syrian women looks manageable and appealing.. Trust me. I know what I am talking about…Just ask your Syrian male friends.

In regard to King Abdallah, agree the ratio is very weak. I don’t believe it is a physiological problem. I think it is because of his western education. …as average western family has one to two children. Now, what is the matter with some ME men and hair dyeing? Is this a ME thing? Shaky confidence of self-image? It is so gross.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/24/173366.html
the Libyan NTC made two mistakes in 48 hours. The way Qadhafi,his son and his Defense Minister were executed and how their bodies were treated is in sharp contrast with international norms and Islamic tradition. Qadhafi would have faced the death penalty in the court of law but street justice by an angry mob is not a good sign,the NTC admitted publicly that they had little influence on the mob,and that may include future mobs too.
the second mistake is that decision about poligamy and Sharia law taken without the proper procedure expected in any promising democracy.
It remains to be seen if Libya will recover all of its money from western banks and whether the tons of missing gold will ever be found and given back to the Libyan people.

Tara,
poverty can push people and women to do the unbeleivable.

Hans, Dear

I have (probably like yourself) literally a painfully busy life therefore I do not get engaged in a futile conversation. When you address me as MB then you either have inferior intelligence or pretending to have one. I think you are just pretending. In both cases however, it is a waste of time conversing. I hope you see my point and excuse my bluntness.

a woman’s view in defense of intellectual dissent
http://www.daralhayat.com/portalarticlendah/321829

Cracks showing in Libyan opposition – Oct. 23, 2011

http://tucsoncitizen.com/usa-today-news/2011/10/23/cracks-showing-in-libyan-opposition/

Cracks are showing in the Libyan opposition that united against Moammar Gadhafi, raising concerns among the NATO nations that helped topple the regime.

Michael Rubin, a former adviser to the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, says the United States should choose the group it prefers and back that faction with money and diplomatic support.

“There’s going to be a conflict anyway,” says Rubin, a senior lecturer at the Naval Postgraduate School. “The Saudis are going to be giving billions of dollars. The question is: Are we going to play the game for influence or are we going to forfeit? To play the game, it’s going to cost cold, hard cash.”

Others say the multitude of weapons left over from Gadhafi’s regime could allow some factions to try and dominate others. Mansour El-Kikhia, a Libyan-born professor of politics at University of Texas-San Antonio, says the U.S. should back away from the volatile situation.

Considering that such countries as Qatar and Saudi Arabia are funneling money and weapons to extremist Islamist militias, “the best thing the U.S. can do is say, ‘Hands off Libya; let the democratic process develop on its own,’” he says.

Libya’s interim rulers declared the country liberated on Sunday after an eight-month civil war, launching the oil-rich nation on what is meant to be a two-year transition to democracy.

“You should only embrace honesty, patience and mercy,” National Transitional Council head Mustafa Abdul-Jalil told a flag-waving crowd of several thousand in the eastern city of Benghazi, the birthplace of the uprising against Gadhafi.

Abdul-Jalil went on to announce that Islamic sharia law would be the “basic source” of legislation and laws that contradict “the teachings of Islam” would be nullified. He said the first thing to happen would be caps on interest for bank loans and the return of polygamy. The Muslim holy book, the Quran, allows men up to four wives.

Gulf News editor Abdul Hamid Ahmad said, “Mustafa Abdul-Jalil has just given an evidence to all (the) world that the Arab uprising will end up to be Islamic states.”

Gadhafi ruled Libya for 42 years before rebels killed him Thursday. The transitional government that has controlled the country since Tripoli fell in August says it will lead the country toward a democratic system. It faces challenges from the country’s tribal system, independent militias and Islamist extremists, groups which Gadhafi had suppressed sometimes brutally.

Leaders in Tripoli want power to remain in the capital. Those in Misrata, the coastal town that was battered for months by Gadhafi artillery, say a prime minister should be appointed from the district. In the western mountains, leaders say their abuse by Gadhafi earned them a share of the national income and political power, El-Kikhia says.

“You can’t force reconciliation if they don’t want reconciliation,” he says. “All the parties are putting conditions on reconciliation.”

Thomas Carothers of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace says the West can assist by helping to restart the Libyan economy and providing guidance to Libya’s transitional leaders in an effort to disarm the country, hold elections and write an inclusive constitution that offers benefits and protections to the country’s factions.

“In a revolution, a lot of people lose out, and those people have to accept that or you have to hope they don’t fight back against it,” Carothers says.

Disarmament can be achieved by offering money and jobs to fighters to sway them from joining paramilitary or organized crime groups, Carothers says. Gun-buyback programs worked in El Salvador, he says, when they were paired with job programs that integrated former fighters into the economy.

Rubin says the gun buybacks in El Salvador worked only after the populace was exhausted from a war and 200,000 deaths were tallied. The Libyan situation, he says, is similar to Iraq after the U.S. invasion, where neighboring countries funneled money and weapons to factions they wanted to prevail.

The U.S. should pressure oil-rich Gulf states such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia to stop sending billions of dollars in aid to Islamist groups in Libya, and it should threaten economic sanctions against Egypt, which is friendly to the Palestinian terror group Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, Rubin says.

If the U.S. doesn’t support liberal secularists most likely to adopt pro-Western policies, those factions will end up losing, Rubin says. “There’s no such thing as an even playing field.”

I am amazed that a guy like Mr N’Aiseh who spent more than 20 years in jail as a political prisoner is still trying to be objective and separate his personal animosity towards the regime from his political duty as a citizen.
You have to respect this man even if you disagree with him:
http://alwatan.sy/dindex.php?idn=111003

Some of you are here only recently, I talked about divorce in the past and said that in Islam there is no financial settlement mentioned as far as divorce, Islam left it to the society,while Islam did explain finacial inheritance very clearly, but nothing is mentioned about divorce settlement.
I said before, that the best approach is to entitle women 1% of the man asset for every year they spent togather.
And I said that the women in Islam can get divorce if a man decided to have another wife,and yes divorce proceding should not last more than three months,divorced woman is equal to divorced man,we do not get education about marriage and divorce in school, nor we have education given to us from parent,but as easy as marriage is, divorce should be equal in easiness,in Islam women can divorce men,Islam unfortunately is misinterpreted ,and I said it before and now I repeat ,we need to interpret Islam correctly again old Ulamaa were biased toward men,they interpreted wrong.this subject is long,sorry for boring you.

Syria using American software to censor Internet, experts say

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/syria-using-american-software-to-censor-internet-experts-say/2011/10/22/gIQA5mPr7L_story.html

LONDON — Syria is using equipment and software developed by an American company to censor the Internet and conduct surveillance of its citizens, according to data analyzed by technology experts and advocates for Syrian dissidents.

The equipment, developed by California-based Blue Coat Systems, is allegedly being used by Syria’s autocratic government to block access to the Internet and crack down on dissidents who have been protesting against President Bashar al-Assad for nearly eight months, the experts and advocates say.

U.S. officials say they are reviewing reports that Syria’s government is using the company’s products. “The issue of Blue Coat’s technology being used in Syria is one that the State Department is taking very seriously and is very concerned about,” said a State Department official who would discuss the matter only on the condition of anonymity.

A senior administration official, also speaking on the condition of anonymity, noted that sanctions restrict U.S. companies from trade with Syria. “Our sanctions provide for some exceptions for certain software,” the official said. “Anything exported that is not covered by exceptions would violate sanctions.”

Blue Coat, based in Sunnyvale, said it has not sold equipment or software to the Syrian government, but a spokesman did not deny that Syria could have obtained the products through a third party.

“Blue Coat does not sell to Syria,” spokesman Steve Schick said in an e-mail. “We comply with U.S. export laws, and we do not allow our partners to sell to embargoed countries.” Sales by U.S. companies to Syria are illegal under sanctions imposed by President George W. Bush in 2004.

Eric King of Privacy International, a London-based nonprofit group that challenges government surveillance, said the company’s products can enable a government to monitor the Internet activity of large numbers of people. “In the wrong hands, Blue Coat technology can all too easily be used as a tool of political control,” he said.

Given the nature of the gray market for surveillance and monitoring equipment, Syria may have acquired the Blue Coat equipment indirectly, according to Pratap Chatterjee of London’s Bureau of Investigative Journalism, which is probing the allegations.

“A lot of the manufacturers don’t know or don’t want to know who’s buying their technology because they could be subject to fines or prosecution in their countries,” Chatterjee said.

Reports of Syria’s alleged use of Blue Coat products originated with Telecomix, a group founded by Swedish hackers in 2006 that has been providing support to dissidents in the Middle East.

Telecomix released electronic records from the Syria Telecommunications Establishment, which the group said showed that the government was using Blue Coat equipment to prohibit its citizens from browsing certain Web sites and social media. In August, Telecomix activists said they downloaded 54 gigabytes of Syrian telecommunications data that indicated that the Blue Coat technology was being used to filter Internet communications in the country.

As far as Gaddafi death he got what he deserve, How much fair court he gave to all his victims nothing,if he did not believe in fair court while he was president ,why should we give him the right of going to court?,killing him this way was the correct way.
the same for Bashar he should not expect trial, he did not gave the people he killed that right.

“……….. I talked about divorce in the past and said that in Islam there is no financial settlement mentioned as far as divorce……”

Yep, that is actually one of the most serious social challenge many not so rich Islamic societies faces. Islam does not address the issue of Divorce settlement, therefore the girl family demands as huge sum of money in advance for the girl hand in marriage as a security collateral, some of the money given to the family and some are placed in contract for later, when and should divorce occur within agreed time limits. It is called:
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Most young men today cannot afford the asking price, so either elope or be frustrated for 20 more years until they get a job in the Gulf and save enough cash for couple decades.

“……I said before, that the best approach is to entitle women 1% of the man asset for every year they spent togather…..”

That is cheaper than a street walking hooker. This is so unfair for what a wife raising kids should receive. Especially if she to start with him on dirt floor and they end up in travertine mansion 20 years later. This is what is disturbing about Islamists. I mean how can you work with them with this mentality?

Drumbeats of War Begin as McCain Declares War with Syria?

October 23, 2011

http://technorati.com/politics/article/drumbeats-of-war-begin-as-mccain/

Beating on his proverbial tom-tom, U.S. Senator John McCain wants a war with Syria now that NATO’s war with Libya is nearly finished.

In addressing the World Economic Forum in Jordan on Sunday, Sen. McCain stated: “Now that Military operations in Libya are ending, there will be renewed focus on what practical military operations might be considered to protect civilian lives in Syria.” In layman’s terms, a Syrian war is coming.

Does Sen. McCain have Alzheimer’s or is he just suffering from senility? It’s the prerogative of the President of the United States to carry out foreign affairs of this nature. As far as this writer recalls, Sen. McCain lost the election for President of the United States in 2008.

Gaddafi is not even in the grave and Sen. McCain says that the Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, can’t “get away with mass murder.” The United Nations notes that 3,000 people have been killed in the Syrian government’s recent actions, while the Syrian government states that over 1,100 soldiers and police have been killed recently.

A wise man once told me that it is what comes out of a man’s mouth that makes him wicked.

According to majed’s formula, a woman needs to spend 50 years with her husband to get half of his money if they get divorced,regardless of how and why they get divorced. Men may be at a disadvantage in western societies when it comes to divorce but the answer is not what Muslim countries do to divorced women. There will be no future for Muslim countries until women receive fair treatment.
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@ Tara!
I am very happy that you are able to express your feeling and thinking toward me with all the freedom we wish to have in Syria. in spite of your very painful busy day to day life.
if it empowers you and make you feel rightful by saying that I pretend to have low IQ that’s is not a problem for me.
My IQ got me where I am and many would like to be in my shoes.
but back to the subject, I never said you are a MB….
I was talking about the big boys MB gang at the SNC, i don’t think you are a big boy MB or least I hope not!
At least I can say you are of a generation like mine ( I don’t know your age or know you) who is emotionally is charged for a new Syria, we dream of Syria as the Syria we want but we never have or had, Syria where freedom and equality is the source of the constitution, syria where a human being is respected just bc s/he is a human… at least that’s what i hope for.
what is being put on the table is far from this and we the people of Syria are either not aware of what’s going on, or being silenced by the others and that’s the problem of the SNC opposition who are paid by the west for their agenda and ignoring the good voices of the inside. I get angry when I see someone like Adel Nai’ssah ignored, or louay Hussin or OTHERS at this level of civility replaced with MB members or other Radicals who are receiving their decrees from retarded Imams all over the creation ( I am against organized religion even I am a believer in GOD) who wants Syrian male to marry as many as he can get his male organ get. or marry girls in their childhood to a Pig 50 years older ( happened in KSA I was there).. that is back stone Syria I don’t want… human relationship evolves through they years and cults are the one who deviate from the normal, the if the Islam doesn’t throw out the cult in it, muslims will never be called free humans….
Christ said only the truth will free you and that’s what Muslims needs a truth to free them…

Seema Mustafa: Amid winds of change, India is Syria’s new hero

October 24, 2011

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column_seema-mustafa-amid-winds-of-change-india-is-syrias-new-hero_1602701

Chants of ‘Allah, Syria, Assad’ by enthusiastic crowds in Syria change to ‘Allah, Syria, Hind’ as soon as they realise that you are from India. India’s popularity in Syria is at its peak as the vote of abstention has been widely reported in the country as a vote in support.

At Homs, the trouble spot in Syria, enthusiastic young boys push ice creams and local chocolates into our hands. In the Damascus Souks, hard-bargaining shopkeepers give little gifts in support. In Aleppo, passersby stop us with a hug and a kiss saying, “you go around, see for yourselves and then project the right picture to the world. It is overwhelming, with thanks pouring out from the streets for the support as they shout in greeting, “Thank you India.” One gesture and India has become the new hero in Syria, with the word having spread like rapid fire through the country, into the remote streets of trouble torn Homs as well.

What is the real picture? For one, Syria is nowhere close to civil strife and the government, after the first flush of panic, has recovered to deal with the situation in some parts of the country with visible calm. The streets of Damascus and Aleppo, the two largest cities, are bustling in support of President Bashar al Assad. He is seen as the symbol of a sovereign Syria even by those who did not necessarily support him before the recent crisis.

Gaddafi’s fall and the continuing insurgency and violence in Iraq after the US invasion have made the Syrians virtually close ranks to isolate those who had gained some initial ground with their rebellion and demand for democracy through a regime change. In the Mediterranean resort of Latakia, shopkeepers and waiters pointed out that the Syrians would not ‘tolerate’ US interference. And that they would support Assad against the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar that are all clubbed under one ‘anti Syria’ banner.

The government narrative seems to be succeeding within Syria, even though the media has ensured that it does not cross the boundaries to influence the world in the same manner. But as several officials said the intention is first to get the people to understand and close ranks at this critical hour. The narrative centres around two basic issues close to the hearts of all Syrians, except the Islamists and extremists, namely sovereignty and secularism.

The first argument that has clearly struck home seeks to point out that while President Assad could relinquish power and the Baath party could give up its ‘leading’ role in the country, this could be determined only by the Syrian people and not outside powers. And two, secularism would continue to remain central to Syrian polity and the government will not allow any compromise on this. All senior leaders from the Grand Mufti to the foreign minister made it clear that religious parties like the Muslim Brotherhood have no place in the country that will not give up its secularism at any cost.

People are convinced that the grand international plan is to divide Syria and the Middle East into ethnic and religious states, with a woman stopping us in a picturesque street in Aleppo to point this out adding, “and it is for you India to help stop them.” The general impression, even inside Homs, is that the Islamist groups are being used to spread violence and they in turn are using the smugglers and criminals to incite violence. The argument being used by those who want to change the regime is that the Sunnis are in a majority (74%) and are being ruled by a minority (Alawites) who are less than 12% of the population. But there is a strong strain of secularism running through Syria that is coming in the way of those trying to radicalise the environment for the past seven months.

Syria’s Grand Mufti Ahmad Badreddine Hassoun, a tall personality in every sense of the word, said in response to a question about the Muslim Brotherhood that he was not in favour of political alliances with religious parties. He said he told them, “be democratic brothers, put aside the word of Islam and dedicate that solely to your relationship with God, do not insert political ideology into the religious idea but they were not willing to listen.”

He said it was imperative for all to “get out of the religious circle into the national one” and keep religion out of politics to ensure a secular state where everyone had equal rights. His 20-year-old son was killed just recently by the Islamists as the Grand Mufti refused to concede the radicals demand to leave Syria. His face turning red as he tried to choke back the tears, he said that Syria would not surrender its sovereignty to Islamists and foreign powers regardless of the cost.

Battle for East Mediterranean gas looms – October 24, 2011

There is no doubt that this battle will be fierce because all the countries involved

http://gulfnews.com/business/opinion/battle-for-east-mediterranean-gas-looms-1.916810

US Geological Survey, which released — coincidentally or not — in March its first assessment of the zone, estimating that it contained 1.7 billion barrels of oil and 122 trillion cubic feet (TCF) of gas.

At Occupy DC, Egypt’s revolutionaries chide U.S. – Oct 23, 2011

Social media activists say U.S. has abandoned their cause

http://www.salon.com/2011/10/24/at_occupydc_egypts_revolutionaries_chide_u_s_policymakers/singleton/

“The U.S. is now saying that the military will be the protector of democracy against the Islamists,” he told Salon. “Myself, I am totally secular and I don’t agree with the Islamists. But I think democracy is the best protector of democracy.”

When a woman in the crowd asked Fathy for the Egyptian movement’s views on U.S. support for Israel, Fathy was even more pointed.

“Our common mood is that we should have at the least the two states–one Israeli, one Palestinian–based on the 1967 borders, ” he said, a view that proved deeply controversial when expressed by President Obama earlier this year. Myself, I would like to see a solution like South Africa: One country for all the people who live there. I know that is a dream.”

As the crowd plied their guests for advice about how the U.S.-based occupation movement should proceed, the Egyptians responded by voicing the unorthodox tenets of a global movement without leaders or unified set of demands.

“People will want to know who your leaders are,” said Fatah, wearing a traditional head scarf. “Your demands must be your leaders.”

“My advice,” said Maher, an exemplar of cosmopolitan cool with his shaved head and sunglasses ”is not to accept any advice.”

NK
-“That being said, I think that makes it even worse, because the way I see it Fiqh is an expansion of Sharia”

Seriously Syrians, you have to know the basics of your Constitution before you wrongly criticize it and the basic of your Religion before you make mistakes

Syrian Fiqh is based on Alfiqh Alshafi3i, it’s the most balanced one between all four Fiqhi schools.
How could that be seen ‘WORSE’ than having Alshari3a as ‘THE’ source? It doesn’t make sense and it’s beyond the claim in comment #33

-‘Also note that a secular state or a secular constitution should not have such an article regardless whether it says (A) or (THE).’

Syria was never declared a SECULAR state so to say that using Islamic FIQH as one of the main sources of legislation shouldn’t be in the constitution when 90% of the population are Muslims of different sects is incorrect.
Any country in the world build its legislation around the basic law of what the customs-cultures-religions of its people not based of something that doesn’t exist.

I’m not going to argue any further, the starting of this debate was about one point and I was clarifying the mistake for people to know facts not fictions.

Memo To: JAD

RE: “…I’m not going to argue any further…”

Thank God!

Jumblat flipped again and he is going to leave the Lebanese government:

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http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=1986&ChannelId=46973&ArticleId=2579&Author=%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%20%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%B1

Dale,
LOLOLOL, Fair enough and I agree 🙂

The Syrian regime’s war crimes against Christians in Lebanon must be exposed and investigated. We hope after ASsad departs the new Syrian Government will listen with a sympathetic ear.

At last a fair and balanced decision from Jumblat, but he too is a murderer and has the blood of 2,000 plus Christians on his hands, amoly supported by Syrian regime in 1982 till 1990.

DO NOT SUPPORT THE ANTI-CHRISTIAN ANTI-LEBANESE GENOCIDIST SYRIAN REGIME.

What counts as a terrorist act in Syria ?

http://all4syria.info/web/archives/33291

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The military police asks the DA in Hama to jail 2 suspects for committing a terrorist act, carrying the Syrian flag with (Syria is free) written on it!!!

Thanks, Antoine, for speaking the truth, we need more like you.

@ 51 SS

So the fact that few Syrian cities are besieged by the army and we have more than 4000 killed and thousands more being tortured in Bashar dungeons caused you no worry as long as you could eat fatteh and ice cream ?

I don’t mean to be rude but what kind of a heartless callous selfish individual are you (and those who liked your post)?

Mohammad
You inflate numbers by one thousand a day.does Rami Abdulrhman employee you.Any way wahabi like you don’t like Fatteh,they only like fitna…

Sherk, you are rejoicing now watching the “liberation” of Lybia with separate spaces for women and men during the celebration yesterday? You corrected me on Abdeljalil and I didn’t have time to check so here its is, yes he was a judge under Qaddafi, and promoted fro being harsh with the Bulgarian and Palestinian hostages:

“Abdeljalil fut le président de la cour d’appel qui confirma à deux reprises la peine de mort des infirmières bulgares et du médecin palestinien prisonniers-otages de Kadhafi. En récompense, il devint ministre.”
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Abdul_Jalil
“From 2007 to 2011, Abdul Jalil was Minister of Justice (officially, the Secretary of the General People’s Committee of Justice) under Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi.[2] He has been noted in some news media for his stance against various human rights violations in Libya, although others express a different view and accuse him, for example, of intransigence during the appeal by the Bulgarian nurses ”
Look at 0’19

As usual with Netanyahu, when he said there would be an “Iranian winetr” it was programmatic, isn’t it?
Cameron and Sarkozy have now to face tax-payers who are more angry than ever. Bravo BHL!

Addenda: so the most urgent issue was to legalize polygamy (it was authorized it seems, but the wife had to be alerted and should give her consent, as it appears in some of the different ways of fiqh and local traditions; the Coran says men can marry more than one “if they can be just/afford it”) AND to forbid divorce, which is not mentioned everywhere in the newspapers but should be understood, I believe, as “forbidden from the woman’s side”, since again it is about taking from the most extreme versions of fiqh (hanbali?) that only repudiation would exist.
Any comment, Tara?

SNK

Oh, I’m sorry .. .really really sorry since the accepted figure is only 3000 … so that’s OK then ! Pass me ???? ? ?????.

Shame on you … if you really know what that means

http://youtu.be/JrRZBVqioeU

So, I suppose it is OK for the Police to do this?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/vic/watch/27045661 (dont mind the add on this one).

what about their civil rights? human rights? dont they mean anything these days?

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#101

Scherk, or Pseudo-Scherk, I am not sure how to address you since you give a fake website (a wikipedia article) as if it was your personal website. Since WS Scherk has never written in Arabic before, I can only suppose you are a pseudo-. But the prose is so similarly boring as the Canadian folk that I am truly hesitating.

My sincere apologize for the keyboard slip that led me to write Jibril (CNT number 2 and a former Qaddafi’s regime guy) instead of Jalil (CNT number 1, and forme Qaddafi’s regime high court judge and later on minister of “justice”).
But basically you get an idea.

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Ghufran
Those who do not believe in justice they do not deserve justice.
Those who do not believe in freedom they do not deserve freedom.
Bashar will have the same fate as Gaddafi.

I said it before ,when Libya crisis ends,all eyes will be on Syria,get ready you, the supporters of Assad,learn from numerous lessons,be wise or continue to misjudge,it is your choice.

Source in American Embassy in Damascus: Ambassador Ford has left for DC in an open leave.
Given reason was the concern for personal safety after the recurrent physical attacks on his entourage and the ubiquitous incitful campaign in Regime press.

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2011/10/24
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http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36222

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Washington.withdraw its ambassador,Mr. Ford from Syria, this is a prepation,Bashar must understand what this means,his weeks are numbered and few.

The US Ambassador left Syria,

Is the West preparing for war, we can tell if other Ambassadors leave.

After the UNSC resolution on Yaman,the US announced departure from Iraq,Qadhafi’s death,and now the departure of amb Ford,the stage is set for more violence in Syria.
Qatar and Co. will make sure that the AL mission in Syria fails relying partially on a predictable hardline position from the Syrian regime.
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Miqati, prime minister of Lebanon, may have to resign.

Tony Blair
http://www.shamlife.com/?page=show_det&select_page=9&id=10409

Marks of torture and electrocution on the body of Martyr, Taleb Yusef Samra.
He was arrested on 28 September by Air Force Security mobsters.
His body was delivered to his family yesterday, 23 October.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v?=SvkcLh8966c
40 minutes ago

The value of human life and the cost of war
(CNN) — The bodies of 53 people, believed to be supporters of ousted Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, have been found in a hotel that was under the control of anti-Gadhafi fighters, Human Rights Watch said Monday.

The rights group said it found the bodies clustered together at Hotel Mahari in Sirte on Sunday. About 20 residents were putting the bodies in body bags to prepare them for burial when Human Rights Watch found them.

“We found 53 decomposing bodies, apparently (Gadhafi) supporters, at an abandoned hotel in Sirte, and some had their hands bound behind their backs when they were shot,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director of Human Rights Watch.

“This requires the immediate attention of the Libyan authorities to investigate what happened and hold accountable those responsible.”

Officials with the National Transitional Council, Libya’s new leadership, were not immediately available for comment.

The residents told Human Rights Watch investigators they found the bodies last week after the fighting in Sirte stopped and they returned home.

They identified some of the deceased as Sirte residents and Gadhafi supporters.

Sirte, Gadhafi’s hometown, was one of the last cities to fall before the National Transitional Council declared the country liberated Sunday following Gadhafi’s 42-year rule.

However, anti-Gadhafi fighters from Misrata had controlled the area of Sirte where the hotel is located since early October, Human Rights Watch said, citing witnesses.

On the entrance and walls of the hotel, the group said, it saw the names of several brigades from Misrata.

Based on the condition of the bodies, the group’s investigators determined the 53 had been killed between October 13 and 19.

“The evidence suggests that some of the victims were shot while being held as prisoners, when that part of Sirte was controlled by anti-Gaddafi brigades who appear to act outside the control of the National Transitional Council,” Bouckaert said.

“If the NTC fails to investigate this crime it will signal that those who fought against Gaddafi can do anything without fear of prosecution.”

At a different location, Human Rights Watch found 10 decomposed bodies that had been dumped in a water reservoir. The group could not determine whether the bodies belonged to pro- or anti-Gadhafi forces.

In addition, medical officials in Sirte told the group that pro-Gadhafi forces had carried out killings in the city and that they had found 23 bound bodies between October 15 and 20.

Meanwhile, questions linger about the circumstances surrounding Gadhafi’s death Thursday, with Human Rights Watch and others questioning the Libyan interim government’s version.

An autopsy revealed Gadhafi died from gunshot wound to the head.

Mahmoud Jibril, chairman of the National Transitional Council’s executive board, has said Gadhafi’s right arm was wounded when a gunbattle erupted between the fighters and Gadhafi loyalists as his captors attempted to load him into a vehicle.

More shooting erupted as the vehicle drove away, and Gadhafi was shot in the head, dying moments before arriving at a hospital in Misrata, Jibril said, citing the city’s coroner.

On Monday, Human Rights Watch said it found the remains of at least 95 people who were apparently killed at the site Thursday. Some died in the fighting and in the NATO airstrike on Gadhafi’s convoy prior to the ousted leader’s capture. But the group said that about six to 10 seemed to have been “executed” — with bullet wounds to the head and body.

When commentators use the above posting to accuse Joshua Landis of engaging in sectarian discourse, it shows that they do not know how to read carefully. The identification of different opposition figures with specific sects/religions is clearly attributed to Barry Rubin of Bar Ilan University. Joshua is simply quoting Rubin, for Syria Comment readers to make of Rubin’s analysis what they will. (P.S. Welcome back, Joshua.)

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Norman
Just as Heckle Ford is confirmed as an ambassador to Syria by the reluctant congress, he is withdrawn. Maybe he is allergic to eggs.

I guess his “heroic” trip to Hama brought some headlines but ultimately his babbling in his Facebook pages and his attempts to connect with young syrians and local opposition figures failed lamentably: No internal opposition accepted to deal with him, hatred for the US is on the increase, the UN resolution failed and the demonstrations turn out to be more violent. He did have any dissuasive effect on the Syrian government behavior.

Time to pack and go, Mr Heckle Ford! You are rated D. Please don’t come back.

Bronco

Do you read anything more into it on behalf of the US other than concern about his personal safety? I don’t. I don’t see it as indication for incoming military intervention. I am also wondering about the ramifications on Imad Mistapha? Is he going to be expelled?

Aboud, responded to a question, “And what of the Syrian people? Are they firmly behind the opposition? They seem rather split”

I cannot but fully agree with Aboud. The humiliating exit of ambassador Ford, as being the only response to junior’s brutality. Here it is what he had to say On Off The Wall blog:

Let’s count all the potential Benghazis the Syrian revolution produced, areas that overwhelmingly came out against the regime before the regime did to them what Qadafi would have done to Benghazi were it not for the grace and mercy of NATO

Hama, Dar’a, Deir el Zour, Idlib, Homs, Rastan, Abu Kamal, Telkelakh, Baniyas, Damascus countryside, Aleppo countryside, Telbisa and Latakia. Yes, the Syrian people seem “split”, those areas only account for like 70% of the entire population.

Once again, “Yes” only has any real meaning when “No” is a realistic alternative. We can’t possibly know for sure what Aleppo’s true feelings are while there is a shabiha gang every 50 meters in the city. But if the regime was so sure about Aleppo, they wouldn’t need such a heavy handed security presence there.

“Anyway, this latest move is just another small step towards a military confrontation”

No, Robert Ford’s ignoble exit from Damascus is exactly what it appears to be; the regime successfully bullying the representative of the world’s sole super power, without suffering any consequences for its behavior. Besho is such a lucky dictator, the entire world has assured him time and again that he won’t be the target of any military action. Heck, they have to keep reassuring him the same way you’d reassure your children that there aren’t any monsters in the cupboard. NATO won’t do crap, and no one is asking for it.

What I want is for the opposition to get united behind a plan of action; a military, armed plan of action. Stop counting the size and frequency of demonstrations, and start counting the number of dead security thugs. A revolution cannot be sustained by a never ending stream of martyrs and stories of victomhood. That way we’d be no better than the Palestinians, who since 1948 have had nothing but victomhood to show for their efforts. I refuse to spend the next 20 years only to end up bitter and hateful of everyone like Angry Arab. Seriously, that guy has totally lost his marbles.

Human beings being what they are, they cannot be expected to live on a diet of doom and gloom. THAT is why the revolution hasn’t faltered in Homs, because we know how badly the security forces have had it in the city ever since Besho declared war on us back in April. I love nothing more than to drive by abandoned checkpoints and police cars. Seriously, some day I think I’ll grab a sand bag or two for my garden.

Empower your side. Let them know there is something tangible they can do. Banish the word “victim” from your language. People need a sense of being able to fight back. The National Council so far has utterly failed in that regard. It is time they stopped being such God damned gentlemen.

@W.Sherk

Sorry, could not comprehend reading what you wrote up there in Arabic, but I cannot complain, my Arabic is far, far, far worse. I can read well but cannot write anymore anything more than a single phrase.

@Jim Reilly

Landis searches hard to find sectarian materials when discussing Syria. That could be because he is married to Alawi and he is cognate of his wife minority position. But for Syrians like me and few more millions, we do not ever bring a person sect to discussion, it is rude and offensive, impolite and unmannered to do so, especially in the contest and the mean it is used for, when stated. It is not as casual statement such in its use in America, when someone say Romney is Mormon, or Kennedy is Catholic etc., this mainly stated to denote his voters and popularity base not his sect. But in Landis and all western media in fact, it is stated to either inflame, state it in derogatory term, or to make division.

It is really immaterial what person sect is in Syria, just as it is in America, they did elect (supposedly) a Moslem to the White House, in the hopes he will deliver America out of wars and ill economy, and it is no difference in Syria. People needs solutions and need problem solver, they will like him for honesty and his record, how he feels for them, not his sect. So he took it from Israeli, he should know better, there is nothing one can take from Israeli, they steal from me. Why do you think that a person who is born and grew up taught that he is a “Chosen one by God” and one that the State is setup as a “One sect State”, will be an expert on multi-sects Syria.

@ majedkhaldoun # 105.

Bashar will not encounter the same fate as Kadhafi, because he will be tried in the International Criminal Court.

*** LOOKS LIKE FORD FAILED HIS MISSION TO START A CIVIL WAR ***

U.S. ambassador ‘temporarily’ leaves Syria?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2011-10-24/syria-us-ambassador/50888628/1?csp=34news

Haynes Mahoney, the embassy’s deputy chief of mission, confirmed that Ford has left Syria but said Washington hadn’t not formally recalled him — a symbolically significant diplomatic step.

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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/24329

Ambasssador Ford’s decision to leave for security reasons is a wake up call for those within the SNC and without it who continue to day- dream about their international observors plan to protect Syrians!

A video clip showing the wreckage of a Regime’s armored vehicle that was destroyed earlier by the free Syrian Army.
The scence is from a business cum residential area in Rastan town, which looks more like a war front.
24/10/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZgEBND0_8&feature=player_embedded

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Anyone know what NATO can possibly do if Russia and China keep vetoing?

Dear William Scott Scherk,
Thank you for attempting to post in Arabic.
The text unreadable.

If you attempt to copy from web page to a Word document and then copy again and past it on this blog the syntax may get jumbled up!

For analogy, the preceding paragraphy may read like this:

“If you from web page to a word attempt to copy document and then copy the syntax again and past it may get jumbled up on this blog!

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Russian and chinese veto, worth 0.

More Mass Graves, Atrocities Against Gadhafi Loyalists Found in Libya

October 24, 2011

http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/10/24/more-mass-graves-atrocities-against-gadhafi-loyalists-found-in-libya/

I continued to be infuriated by the invocation of the summary execution of Moammar Gadhafi as a “foreign policy success” for the Obama Administration. Among the other reasons, it was pretty clear that the Libyan rebels and their allies didn’t solely execute Gadhafi and treat all their other perceived adversaries with dignity and respect. And I think over the next several months, stories like this will become more and more familiar.

The bodies of 53 Gaddafi loyalists have been found at a hotel in the Libyan city of Sirte after apparently being executed, a human rights group says.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) said the victims – some of whom had their hands bound – died about a week ago.

Ruler of the province of Kudistan of Iraq Masud Barazani has turned down an invitation to visit Jr in Damascus.
24/10/2011
http://ciwanekurd.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=362%3A%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%B2%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A-%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%B6-%D8%AF%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A9-%D8%A8%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%B3%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%B4%D9%82&catid=1%3A%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9&Itemid=13
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majedkhaldoun:

If that was the case, Syria would had been invaded long ago.

“……Russian and chinese veto, worth 0…”

This is how World Wars starts. One Country or Allies pushes and pushes and at one point thier luck rrrrrrrrrrruns out.BANG

Habib

The Syrian government should not take comfort from these vetoes as they are not needed to invade Syria as they did in Iraq, the Syrian government should move on reform and election as that is the only way to pacify the people and the international community

Regime anarchists entered a house in Alqsair, Homs Governorate and looted:
– a piece of Gold worth over USD3000
– Appliances
– portable home and personal accessories, towels, bedsheets, shoes

They also destroyed non-potrtable items such as house furniture and bathroom porcelain fixtures

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Two Shabbeha busses heading to Jabal AlZawiyeh were forced to turn back after comming under attack by a watchful, Free Syrian Army!

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http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=139077

NATO in Libya may spark Balkan tinderbox – 24 October, 2011

http://rt.com/politics/nato-primakov-russia-libya-balkans-573/

The threat of inter-ethnic and inter-religious conflict in the Balkan countries, which experts define as “the European tinderbox,” could spark another Libyan scenario, says former Russian Intelligence head Evgeny Primakov.

Speaking at an international conference in Montenegro, Primakov said the threat of NATO interference in the Balkans is a real possibility that should be avoided at all costs.

“I fear that the NATO operation in Libya may cast a shadow on the Balkans,” Primakov said, in comments that were published in Nezavisimaya Gazeta on Monday and reported by Interfax. “Such a scenario is not so unrealistic, and ways to avoid it must be found.”

NATO’s operation in Libya has set a dangerous international precedent, especially for regions and countries whose policy does not conform to NATO standards, he said.

Primakov, an ex-prime minister, as well as the former Russian Intelligence head, paid special attention to the threat of inter-ethnic and inter-religious conflicts in the Balkans, specifically in Kosovo and Bosnia and Herzegovina.

The respected academician from the Russian Academy of Sciences also alluded to the armed clashes between NATO troops and the former Yugoslavia.

From March 24, 1999 to June 11, 1999, NATO launched a massive aerial war against Yugoslavia, as Albanian militants battled with Yugoslav forces. The war led to a massive displacement of the population in Kosovo, estimated at about 1 million people. The conflict was condemned by many countries, including Russia, on the grounds that NATO did not have the support of the United Nations Security Council.

Primakov reiterated the position of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen in September that the Libyan model of resolving regional problems must not become “a model for the future.”

Russia has a principled stand on “the problem zones”, and does not recognize the independence of Kosovo and Metohija, which it views as Serbian territory.

There is a realistic chance to avoid tensions with the division of Kosovo, he said.

“If the West welcomes the separation of Kosovo from Serbia due to the independence demands of local Albanians, why not apply the same approach to the compact Serbian areas in the northern part of Kosovo and Metohija?” Primakov speculated.

Russia also opposes the transformation of Bosnia and Herzegovina into a single state, arguing that such an idea does not follow the letter of the Dayton Agreement.

“If we speak about the development of the Dayton Agreement, apparently, it is necessary to strengthen sovereign rights of Bosnian Serbs, Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims within the framework of Bosnia and Herzegovina,” he said. “Any other arrangement will lead to bloodshed.”

Meanwhile, Primakov denied that Russia opposes the accession of the Balkan countries to the European Union, saying Russia’s position is being either intentionally or unintentionally distorted.

“Moscow is perfectly aware of the reasons why the Balkan countries want to join the EU,” he said. “At the same time, Russia seeks to prevent the weakening of its economic, cultural and political relations with the Balkan countries by their involvement in the EU.”

The Balkans are a junction between three civilizations: West European, East European and Asian. Stability and security of the developing multi-polar world depend on the way that pressing problems of the peoples populating this special region, Primakov said.

Reading the link in 121, I am not clear why wouldn’t the US reciprocate and expel Imad Mustapha in retaliation? This is the least they can do to protest RF being bullied by Bashar’s thugs.

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Reports on assassination attempt against Assad cousin dismissed

October 24th, 2011

http://www.albawaba.com/news/reports-assassination-attempt-against-assad-cousin-dismissed-398208

Syrian official sources on Monday dismissed reports about a botched assassination attempt against the country’s leading businessman and the president’s cousin, Rami Makhlouf. The news about this alleged attempt circulated last night in various Web sites and social networking sites.

The Information Office of Makhlouf dismissed the rumors, saying they were part of a “media attack” against Syria. The statement noted that these rumors come in the context of the “disinformation campaigns of against the Syrian people,” in an attempt to weaken the Syrian society. According to Makhlouf’s office, the diinformation is increasing indicates the “failure of the Syrian opposition,” which is backed by foreign elements.

The statement added Makhlouf was in good health and exercising his daily activities normally.

Earlier, the “Free Syrian Army” has issued a statement confirming the assassination attempt against Rami Makhlouf. It said the convoy of Makhlouf came under fire in the Damascus region. Two of his bodyguards were killed, said the statement.

In recent weeks, the number of assassinations in Syria has increased. The most notably was the killing of the Grand Mufti’s son.

Christians Under Threat as Radical Islam Spreads in ‘New Middle East’

Monday, 24 Oct 2011

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/christians-egypy-iraq-islam/2011/10/24/id/415526

The Arab Spring removed a number of long-time despots who repressed and tortured their citizens, but the governments that are replacing them may prove to be just as dangerous for the Christian minority living in the Middle East, a region once known for accommodating Muslims, Christians and Jews.

As long-term governments were swept away in such countries as Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, Muslim extremists moved into the void and Christian minorities paid the price.

In Egypt, where Christians make up about 10 percent of the population, Coptic Christians have been subjected to a series of attacks. On New Year’s Day, 21 Coptics were killed leaving Saints Church in Alexandria, and dozens more killed in clashes that followed, all leading up to the Oct. 9 demonstration killed at least 24 Christians, many run over by military vehicles, and injured hundreds more.

In Libya, the head of the Transitional National Council, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, in a widely reported speech, has just called for all laws to conform to Islam. The myriad of practices that declaration covers is widespread and includes charging interest on loans, which Abdel Jalil promised will be abolished.

“We are an Islamic state,” he declared to a cheering crowd in Benghazi Sunday.

While Iraq was not part of the Arab Spring, the toppling of Saddam Husseim in 2003 by the U.S. military created its own vacuum and hundreds of thousands Christians have fled the country due to sectarian strife. In Syria, where Christians make up about 10 percent of the population, a similar fate is feared should President Bashar al-Assad be toppled.

“Virtually the entire region now experiencing the convulsion of the Arab Spring lived inside the very large tent of the Ottoman Empire until World War I,” James Traub wrote in Foreign Policy. “Ottoman rulers welcomed the Jews who fled the Inquisition. In great Ottoman capitals like Aleppo, in modern Syria, Jews, Christians, Kurds, and Sunni Muslims lived in the same neighborhoods.”

However, the fellow of the Center for International Cooperation and contributing writer for the New York Times Magazine noted that the pluralism once found in the region was destroyed by those stoking nationalism to consolidate power.

“Populist rulers can accommodate diversity, as they have largely done in today’s Turkey, or they can unleash the forces of sectarianism, as they have in Iraq, where Shiites and Sunnis kill one another and both kill Christians. Older Iraqis will tell you that no one ever spoke of ‘Sunni’ and ‘Shiite’ when they were young; but whether in Bosnia or Iraq, sectarianism, once provoked, has a very long half-life. There is no more volatile substance in the modern nation-state.”

Christian Syrians have clung to the government of Assad, fearing what might follow should it fall, having seen what has happened in neighboring countries. Indeed many Christians who have fled sectarian strife in countries such as Iraq have ended up in Syria.

Traub wrote that while violence against Egyptian Copts does not approach what has occurred in Iraq, it has been growing in recent years.

“There’s no wishing away the anti-Coptic attitudes, or prejudices, of ordinary Egyptians. But Copts have lived with that for a long time,” he wrote. “The big question is whether it will get worse — and how much worse. And that will be a matter of political choices and political leadership.”

Traub concluded that the situation could go either way.

“Egypt’s new military rulers, like the military ruler they replaced, have proved all too willing to exploit street-level resentment. Power-sharing cannot wait until a new president is elected in mid-2013 or so. Egypt’s democratic forces say that they are determined not to allow themselves to be divided against one another. Let’s hope so. In Egypt, and all across the former Ottoman outposts of the southern Mediterranean — Tunisia, Libya, Syria — it is not just democracy but also pluralism that is at stake. It would be a terrible thing, and a deeply unnecessary one, if the rise of the former meant the end of the latter.”

WASHINGTON (AP) — Syria has recalled its ambassador to the U.S. in response to Washington’s decision to bring home Ambassador Robert Ford from Damascus over security concerns. The State Department accuses the Syrian government of what it calls an “incitement campaign” against Ford. Ford has angered Syrian authorities with his forceful defense of protests against President Bashar Assad’s regime. He’s been the target of several incidents of intimidation by pro-government thugs.

http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/255158.html
Russian ambassadors discuss bigger role for Russia in Mideast
MOSCOW, October 24 (Itar-Tass) —— Russian ambassadors in the Middle East met in Amman on Monday, October 24, to discuss how to increase Russia’s presence in the region.
The diplomats “discussed the current situation in the Middle East in the light of dramatic transformations there, as well as the tasks facing their embassies to increase Russia’s presence in this region and develop historically friendly relations with the Middle East states,” the Foreign Ministry said.
They “discussed the tasks of providing political and diplomatic assistance to the settlement of current conflicts and pockets of tension in the countries of the region by their own people on the basis of the U.N. Charter without violence and armed confrontation”, the ministry said.
The ambassadors paid special attention to “prospects for long-term and proper resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict on the recognised basis of international law as an important condition for leading the Middle East to the road of safe, peaceful and sustainable development”.
The Russian ambassadors to Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Israel, the Russian representative to the Palestinian National Authority, and the Russian foreign minister’s special representative for the Middle East settlement Sergei Vershinin attended the meeting held by Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov.
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Tchurkin: Strategy of pressure and threats concerning Syria has not worked
«It is obvious that strategy of some members of the international community concerning Syria, namely strategy of threats, pressure and aggravating position in the country of sanctions, has not worked», – Tchurkin ascertained, transfers ITAR-TASS.
It has opposed to such approach a position of the Arabian world. «We support recent initiatives of League of the Arabian states about situation settlement in Syria», – has told representative the Russian Federation at the United Nations.

According to Tchurkin, Russia considers that the UN Security Council «could and still the constructive word» on a situation in Syria in the same way as it has made it with reference to Yemen can tell.

The ambassador has reminded that the Russian-Chinese draft resolution of Security council on a situation in Syria, «focused on settlement, instead of on conflict kindling, still is at the disposal of councilors».

Two weeks ago Russia and China have blocked acceptance in UNSF of the draft resolution containing threat of application of sanctions against the Syrian authorities for suppression of manifestations of protest of opposition.

132. norman,

That was viable before they turned their guns inward. All despots tend to think that they are smarter. The longer they hold to power, the uglier their imminent finale. Our concerns is not how ugly or uglier their ending will be, but the death and destruction, to both, civilians and the infrastructure with every passing day.

They seem to be adamant to burn and destroy what is left.

107.

For Syrian it is spitting !!!
Anyway not welcome for spies and with hostility adjusted

WILLIAM
Not bad, i think it was more comprehensible, strangely more poetic, and assuredly more noble than the rambling of a resident poet.

Tara #118
“I don’t see it as indication for incoming military intervention.

I don’t either, I think that it is part of a concerted campaign with the EU to disrupt the AL visit.

The intervention of the AL and the possible resolve of the situation without a instantaneous “regime change” is a second blow to the EU and to the US that had wanted to remove once for all the arch eneneny of Israel and the ally of their arch enemy, Iran.

This is why simultaneously the EU is meeting before Wednesday to counter the AL visit and make further threats, MC Cain is calling for NATO intervention and they withdraw Ford.

It is all about disrupting the AL intervention and trying to keep the Syrian issue in the hand of foreign countries with their own pro-Israel agenda.

If the AL initiative prove successful and that would be an extraordinary achievement and the rebirth of Arab solidarity and diplomacy that had been hijacked by the western countries for decades.

#125 habib
“Any one know what NATO can possibly do if Russia and China keep vetoing?”

Nothing. NATO cannot act unilaterally, it needs a UNSC resolution.

I wondered why no one bothered to comment on this wonderful thing :-

“124. Revlon said:

A video clip showing the wreckage of a Regime’s armored vehicle that was destroyed earlier by the free Syrian Army.
The scence is from a business cum residential area in Rastan town, which looks more like a war front.
24/10/2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vZgEBND0_8&feature=player_embedded

Just watch the video !! Its just grreaat.

Ann

I think Heckle Ford suffers from a serious personality disorder.

He is starting to forget that he is the ambassador of a country that did not stop ignoring basic UN human rights in Palestine and elsewhere for decades. After a year in Damascus, he may be thinking he is the reincarnation of St Paul, the apostle.
That’s probably why they are sending him back to treatment and debriefing.

He wrote on Facebook last month: “This isn’t about Western military intervention. This isn’t about oil (many governments have banned its import). This isn’t about Israel or the West wanting to dominate the Arab world (an old, discredited government line).
This is about basic political freedoms from the United Nations’ human rights charter – signed by Syria, don’t forget – which calls for freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful assembly.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/24/syria-us-withdraw-ambassadors-assad

#149 Khalid Tlass

“I wondered why no one bothered to comment on this wonderful thing :-”

Don’t wonder, most readers usually don’t bother anymore reading Revlon’s daily obituaries, as they don’t bother reading your daily rantings.

Bronco,
Indeed, Ford must be raving. The famous AJA pills again?
He needs a reality check. I suggest he starts by reading C. Rice recent book, where she certainly does not boast too much about her job at Chevron
http://www.aztlan.net/oiltanker.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice
working on the famous Caspian Oil fields for years before joining the Bush administration
http://www.chevron.com/countries/kazakhstan/
And guess what kind of model democracy is Kazakhstan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan
Simply number 122 of the 146 world countries in terms of corruption.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nursultan_Nazarbayev

The Wiki English article on Nazarbayev is nicely edited as to erase what he was doing before 1991, that is, that he was already the president (oh sorry, “president of the council of ministers” of the “Kazakh socialist republic” since….. 1984).
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noursoultan_Nazarbayev

The guy deserves an award. As those who probably regularly edit his English wikipedia entry.

hahha, ya Murtad, did you see the video of Syrian Army armoured car lying blown up like trash ?

We are controlling Rastan and Homs and can kick anybody;s ass, anytime we want. We DARE Bashar;s sharmouta to do something about it, ?? ???? ????????

I read the following comment on AJE Live Syria Blog posted a few minutes ago.:

Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah in interview on Al-Manar
The Syrian people support President Bashar Al-Assad’s regime, but if the people start opposing the regime, we will support the people.

– The situation in Syria is normal.

– Hezbollah is not taking part in the current Syrian events; we did not send any militants to Syria.

– Syria is confronting internal armed groups and foreign pressure, which is very dangerous.

– Concerning the Syrian violations of Lebanese borders, an envoy must be sent by the Lebanese government to discuss the issue with the Syrians, not through media.
(NL)

The Iraq war is finally over. And it marks a complete neocon defeat

Thanks to the toppling of Saddam Hussein, Iran’s greatest enemy, Tehran’s influence in Iraq is stronger than America’s

…The final troop withdrawal marks a complete defeat for Bush’s Iraq project. The neocons’ grand plan to use the 2003 invasion to turn the country into a secure pro-western democracy and a garrison for US bases that could put pressure on Syria and Iran lies in tatters.
…
But the neocons’ biggest defeat is that, thanks to Bush’s toppling of Saddam Hussein, Iran’s greatest enemy, Tehran’s influence in Iraq is much stronger today than is America’s. Iran does not control Iraq but Tehran no longer has anything to fear from its western neighbour now that a Shia-dominated government sits in Baghdad, made up of parties whose leaders spent long years of exile in Iran under Saddam or, like Sadr, have lived there more recently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/23/us-withdrawal-iraq-defeat-bush-neocons

Will the SNC promise to investigate Syrian Army war crimes in Lebanon, and also the many illegal assassinations against Lebanese leaders carried out by Syria ?

Kaled the terrorist
did you learn the word Sharmouta from Alrheek Almasmom.

” Ford left Damascus on Saturday, he must left in secrecy!!! hahaha. too bad if i knew i would gone with all the tomato and eggs i bought for him on Friday.
He won’t tell people before he left!!! Coward… BTW when the rest of the spies are leaving… I wonder if one of the chopper picked him up from the roof of the american embassy.
good riddance…
He was not sent as an ambassador he was sent as a spy!!! it is clear and it seems more and more all it is planned for the middle east for years since Wolfowitz wrote the new map of the middle east prior to the american invasion of Iraq… too bad wilksleaks won’t tell us what is going on at the current time, we have months if not years to have it leaked out….
I am going to review few things here and who ever have ears should listen…
in the 80’s the USA supported Bin Laden made him a story then killed him and killed all his rats.
in the 80’s also USA supported Saddam then killed him and killed his rats… same goes for Gaddafi….
Now the USA is supporting the Arab spring, and in ten years is going to kill all the radicals who are taking the power in these new regimes. hehehe how dumb the ones who don’t read history it keeps repeating itself… I can’t wait to see the demise of the KSA and the rest of the pigs in the gulf counties… wait Iran too… one day I am going to hear the drones are hovering over Iran hunting all the rats there too. or maybe will have an artificial earth quack created by Israelis to kill them all…

Kurdish(Baasa)to SNC.
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ALL4Syria

The withdrawal of Ambassador Ford back to the US could simply mean that his mission is now accomplished.  He was seen by the American administration as the US’ eye on the ground while the Syrian regime prohibited free press, and specifically valued for his attempts engaging the internal opposition.  Eight months have passed.  He initially conveyed the picture of peaceful demonstrations against Bashar al Assad’s brutal regime and the unprecedented savage oppression and disregard of human life practiced by Bashar and co.   He then acknowledged the presence of armed resistance in Homs and his fear of Iraq-style civil war.  He probably visited or tried to visit with all internal opposition figures widely perceived as “shy” or “timid”, to explore their positions as well as their potentials.  There is probably nothing left for him to do… Especially with the repeated attempts of bullying him by “rent-a-crowd” mob.. he was recalled

If anything, his withdrawal reflects perhaps that the US has now a clear vision of what the next step is for Syria.

I doubt that the AL has a backbone for any serious diplomatic intervention against Syria.  They refused to expel Syria from the league, a step that carries no real weight except for its symbolic meaning.  Egypt is overwhelmed with its internal issue and is definitely in no position to take a strong stand with or against.  Qatar is being intensely vilified by the Syrian regime and offering to step down from the league’s presidency.  Sudan and Algeria ruled by dictators would likely want Assad to finish off the revolution, and Oman..I don’t know about Oman….Oman never interested me so I have always skipped anything written about Oman.  Not for anything, just because I find  the name of its Sultan to be very unappealing..               

@ tara
Usually you write much better than this boring comment, I hope no one using your name or hacked your account. what you just wrote is not worthy reading.

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This is from Dr Ali Abu Alhassan, an Azhar scholar on Qadhafi’s death
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Memo To: HANS & TARA

RE: “…withdrawal of Ambassador Ford back to the US could simply mean that his mission is now accomplished…”

It means more than that. Much more. It means the USA has come to the conclusion that Besho is hopeless and not worth any more effort. After all, you can lead an ass to water but you can’t make him drink.

Ford’s task was to show Besho and the rest of the Assad Mafia that the whole world is watching. Evidently, Besho doesn’t give a fuck. So Obama said “Fuck him” and called Ford home.

Mission accomplished. Now all we have to wait for is the final act of the play, in which the villain dies and his corpse is dragged through the streets for the people to spit on.

These scenes can be quite gruesome. There was a Roman General named Sejanus who ruled like a dictator during the reign of the Emperor Tiberius. He tried to overthrow Tiberius and failed. They marched him through the streets of Rome and all the people threw stones at him. They stuck a hook through his broken corpse and tossed him in the Tiber River. They also executed his wife and children, including an underage daughter. There was a law in Rome at that time prohibiting the killing of virgin girls. So a soldier raped the girl and then they cut her little head off.

Just something for Besho to think about.

Jad,
Muslims in the West are going nowhere,only a small minority may consider going back to a poverty-stricken land just because the regimes turned islamist,but more and more Arab Christians are likely to leave the Middle East.Even the Islamists on SC are not going back to Syria any time soon,a similar scene is noticed among many American Jews who are more militant than the Israelis,yet most of them will not leave America to live in Israel.
The tough talk you see on blogs,including this one, does not reflect the real thinking of most Muslims when it comes to the US and Europe. Muslims in the West who have jobs,especially Muslims in N.America,can practice their religion freely and live in peace and dignity,compare that to how most Muslims live in corrupt and poor Muslim countries and add a future Talibanic touch to that and you will end up with a lost land.
If a Taliban style government can solve Islamic countries problems most of us will adapt an Afghani name and elect a Mullah,but common sense tells us that we can not treat a disease,current arab and muslim regimes,with another,militant political islam.

Bronco….bad news 🙁
The US is taking its decision back and may soon send the Mahatma Ford back to Syria!
Seriously, what is that!?

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Next Arab Domino May Be Oil Darling Algeria: Reuel Marc Gerecht

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But there is another tremendous threat to Libya’s progress waiting quietly next door. Algeria’s military junta is terrified that a rebellious spirit may finally cross its borders. Ever since the Tunisian revolt dethroned President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Washington’s foreign- policy establishment has paid little attention to Algeria, the lodestar of “the Arab West.”

That’s a mistake. With Qaddafi’s fall and next week’s elections in Tunisia, the odds are decent that the Great Arab Revolt will start to shake Algeria. The country is now surrounded by states in transition: Libya, Tunisia and Morocco, where the king just might be laying the groundwork for the Middle East’s first real constitutional monarchy.
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(APS) Monday 24 October 2011 12 : 02
U.S. understands Algeria interest in a “successful” and “stable” transition in Libya

ALGIERS – US Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs Jeffrey D. Feltman said Monday in Algiers that the U.S. understands Algeria interest in a “successful and stable” transition in Libya.

Homs from bad to worse, that is a glimpse of what some people on SC are keep calling for:

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Ghufran,
I agree with you, nobody will go back to the place where they themselves painted with their hatred, sectarian and ugly brush.
They’d rather stay in the safe west and order people back home to die and suffer for their twisted ‘views’.

Memo To: GHUFREN

RE: “…Muslims in the West are going nowhere…”

Not so fast, Dude!

I can see a Muslim Europe in another generation or so. You don’t have to have a majority to change things. You simply need to be better organized and more aggressive than the other folks around you.

Also, it helps if you know how to fight. I say Europe, because the Europeans have forgotten how to fight. They were protected by the USA and the USSR for too long. They became soft and weak. Example: the German and Dutch armies used to be quite fierce. Now, they’re a joke. If you sent the Dutch military to fight, say, the Syrians, the Dutch would throw down their guns and surrender, just like they did at Srebrenica.

In time, I think the Arab and Turkish Muslims in Europe could take over.

@Ghufran #168
Good thinkng. Realist.

Beaware was in my mind all day today.  His style was very handsome….  I really liked “more…” at the end.  He was very well-read.  It was unfortunate that he never wanted to “have a dialogue”.     

“Hezbollah’s stance on events in Syria has also shattered its image in the Arab street, a street that not long ago adored the party for standing up to Israel and the United States. No more. Hezbollah’s flags are being burned in Syria and elsewhere.”

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/ominous-new-struggle-hezbollah-6060

Ominous New Struggle for Hezbollah
Bilal Y. Saab | October 24, 2011

Hezbollah is facing a crisis that is unprecedented in its 30-year history, and it’s a crisis that the party’s strategic backers, Syria and Iran, are powerless to solve.

The intense pressures of the violent confrontations in Syria, the Arab uprising, the Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL) and the possibility of another war with Israel have combined to take a toll on the “Party of God.” These developments have increased the likelihood of Hezbollah’s biggest nightmare—that it finds itself alone and isolated at home, a scenario it has always worked with particular intensity to prevent (along with that of civil war). How Hezbollah navigates this truly existential crisis is a story U.S. officials are following with much attention.

Old and new challenges have made life increasingly difficult for Hezbollah over the past six years. The latest is the Arab uprising, which has profoundly challenged its philosophy of “champion of the downtrodden, underprivileged, and disenfranchised.” Hezbollah can hardly claim that it stands for restoring the Arab man’s rights and dignity when it has chosen to side with a Syrian regime that is killing its own people. More broadly, the Arab uprising has made Hezbollah irrelevant in Arab political discourse. While the concept of resistance against Israel will always generate strong emotions and resonate deeply in the Arab world, the Arab uprising’s clear message is that such a struggle cannot be at the expense of freedom and democracy. Hezbollah clearly thinks otherwise; for it, nothing takes precedence over the military struggle because no other form of resistance works.

Hezbollah’s stance on events in Syria has also shattered its image in the Arab street, a street that not long ago adored the party for standing up to Israel and the United States. No more. Hezbollah’s flags are being burned in Syria and elsewhere.

Hezbollah may have contained the immediate effects of the STL, but the international institution has already caused considerable damage to the party’s reputation by instilling serious doubts, even among Hezbollah’s friends, about the party’s role in killing former Lebanese prime minister and leader of the Sunni community Rafik Hariri.

Finally, another war with Israel may pump life into Hezbollah’s hardcore cadres and add fire to its resistance approach, but in reality such an extremely risky adventure could entail massive costs from which Hezbollah may not recover easily if at all this time around. Iran may not be in a position to send cash to the group after the war. And the Syrian regime, facing an existential crisis of its own, may not be operationally capable of providing necessary military and logistical support during any such war.

But for Hezbollah, the world can turn upside down and the party will still believe that it can survive as long as two critical factors exist: first, the unconditional backing of the Lebanese Shi’ite community; second, a non-threatening political coalition in the Lebanese political system. The first factor seems to be intact for now (given the deeply-rooted and historical bond between Hezbollah and Lebanese Shi’ites), but the second one is slowly but surely eroding, and it could become a fatal threat.

Since Syria’s withdrawal from Lebanon in 2005, Hezbollah has had to adjust domestically to compensate for the absence of direct political sponsorship previously provided by Syria. For that, it had to immerse itself deep into the Lebanese quagmire that is the sectarian political system, forming new political alliances, reaching out to old foes, and seeking adequate political representation in both the cabinet and Parliament to block any political attempts by its rivals to weaken or disarm it.

The current government of prime minister Najib Mikati is the latest attempt by Hezbollah to create a friendly political environment that poses no major threats to the party. The problem is that five months after its creation this government is on the verge of collapsing in large part, ironically, due to Hezbollah’s own actions.

The most immediate threat to governmental stability is the feud between Hezbollah and Mikati over the issue of STL funding. This is a serious issue over which Mikati has threatened to resign. Mikati does not want a confrontation with the international community that could turn Lebanon into a pariah state, and mostly for that reason (among other personal reasons), he has vowed to fulfill Lebanon’s commitment to provide funding to the STL. Hezbollah says that this is no time for niceties with the international community and has refused to pay a single dime to an entity it considers a tool used by the Israelis and the Americans to defeat it.

Relations between Hezbollah and Michel Aoun’s Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) have also been problematic, and it may be only a matter of time before things explode. Aoun’s increasing and aggressive political demands (the most recent of which is his electricity plan) have caused a dilemma for Hezbollah: if the party doesn’t accede to Aoun’s wishes, it could find itself without Christian backing in Lebanese society. If it does so unconditionally, it becomes hostage to Aoun’s politics. The fact that Druze leader Walid Jumblat and Lebanese president Michel Suleiman (two other crucial players in Hezbollah’s coalition) have serious issues with Aoun’s political agenda complicates things even further for Hezbollah. Aoun’s obsession with becoming president might have diminished recently, but should it come to the fore again, and should Hezbollah be unable to deliver the presidency to Aoun, it could well be game over between Hezbollah and the FPM.

more…

Jad #170

After the fall of Qaddafi the US is very interested in Libya’s neighbors and principally oil rich Algeria. The US is now readjusting its ME policy with the new situation in Libya. That also includes Syria as Algeria has been consistently supporting Syria’s government and opposed to foreign intervention. Feltman was in Algeria to test Bouteflika about Syria while encouraging reforms and proposing more economic and cultural cooperation. I guess France did not appreciate Feltman propositions to spread more the English language in Algeria.

I think Heckle Ford was recalled because they needed to inform him about these adjustments in the wake of the AL visit that could change the whole equation in Syria.
I think the tone of the US toward Syria is much less aggressive now. It will probably reflect on Fords’ behavior when and if he comes back.

I am happy that Imad Mustapha is in Syria. He should stay there. The US is not a good place for him. He may also want to eat ice cream at Damer and fatten at Midan then feel good and happy.

This report freaks me out.  I always thought doctors and nurses have special gift of compassion.  Reports of Syrian doctors and nurses abusing the injured is really scary.    

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-25/syria-doctor-torture/3599208/?site=
Patients tortured in Syrian hospitals: Amnesty
Updated October 25, 2011 11:48:41 

Syrian protesters injured in brutal crackdowns by president Bashar al-Assad’s regime are being tortured in state-run hospitals, a report claims.
Amnesty International says patients in at least four government-run hospitals have been tortured and ill treated.
Cilina Nasser, an Amnesty researcher for the Middle East and North Africa, has told ABC Radio’s AM program that in some cases hospital staff are behind the ill treatment, while at other times they are the ones being targeted.
“Unfortunately we received a lot of testimony from wounded persons who say that health workers, including nurses and sometimes doctors, physically abused them,” she said.
“And these testimonies are also corroborated by other health professions who are outraged by what’s going on.
“At the same time there are health professionals in Syria who are treating the wounded, performing their duty by treating the wounded, who find themselves a target for arrest and likely torture.”
Ms Nasser says the cases investigated took place at three government hospitals in Homs and one in the coastal city of Banyas.
She says in some cases patients have disappeared from hospitals.
“There are cases where wounded persons go to government-run hospitals and I spoke to doctors who told me that the following day they would come to the hospital, they would go to check on this wounded patient and they find out that the security forces have already removed them from there and they took them to an unknown destination,” she said.

Tara,

Please do not believe everything you read, first they said that the government is targeting the health care workers, then when they did not see health care workers running away the y started to claim that the demonstrators are being abused by the health care workers that they claimed first to abused by the government, next we will see them claim that wounded of the regime supporters are targeting the wounded from the opposition or even claiming that wounded opposition members and government supporters are attacking each other, there is a lot of chaos in Syria and that is when people are killed and nobody can figure who is responsible.

There is a guy his name is Ibrahim Mawsawi,he is close associate of Nasrallah, he is sent to the opposition to court them and make deals with them.

Bronco,

The AL plan is going to fail, it is just a step toward the invasion, they need a failure of the AL Plan to take the second step, It is unfortunate but i do not think the Syrian government is taking the risk that is surrounding Syria as seriously as they should, and by the way the UN Security council can give cover but when the US and the West want to invade Syria they will do what they did in Iraq,they will do it anyway.

NZ,
what is ironic in Syria is that with the greed of the opposition for all or nothing they are waisting the lives that are lost as if the regime manage to outlast it’s enemies, there will be no reform or change, it would be better for Syrians to eat half a loaf than nothing and partial remission with chemotherapy is better than progression of disease with nothing ,the patient will live longer with the first and buy time for better treatment that might be curable.

@NORMAN,

There is a round of bets going around among SNP older “over 60” members in Europe who actually signed up on British (jersey) betting website, they setup a bet against the Syrian Revolutionaries, that by our next General Committee meeting April 7, 2012 , there will be no Syrian opposition around to be found. The general feeling is that all those doing terrorism in Syria and Homs are foreigners smuggled in, those operating online are former Al-cia-da assets who used to operates the fake Iraqi Zarqawi and fake Bill Laden Jihadist websites set up by neocons and Mossad. They are being recycled in Libya and Syria and will be moving them to other places as well. But in Syria, the game is pretty much exposed, and they will be shipping out soon to other places, possibly to Algeria and Iraq again to keep Maliki in check and keep more than 50,000 supposedly private security personnel (former badged US. forces) operating in Iraq within the 16,000 strong embassy employees. Imagine, in Iraq they are leaving 50,000 private contractors (security) and 16,000 Embassy employees. So SNP thinks that this faked out Syrian Revolution will soon fizzle and we again have to struggle to find out oppositionist by April of next year.

Speaking of the Iraqi situation, rumors are plenty, some are, unknown to the Iraqi government, Iraqi oil being pumped (stolen) piped though huge underground tunnels to Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain. Another rumor, that the 16,000 employees are needed either to facilitate that smuggling operation or to operate a hidden multi level city underground, under the city sized embassy compound in the green zone. I said rumor intentionally so I don’t have to publish the known facts here, some of it could be top secret.

League initiative for Syria will not fly
There is no common ground to build on between the opposition and government or between both sides and the Arab bloc
By Sami Moubayed, Special to Gulf NewsPublished: 00:00 October 25, 2011

http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/league-initiative-for-syria-will-not-fly-1.917919

Image Credit: Dana A.Shams/©Gulf News
Although their country is a founding member of the Arab League, Syrians of all colours, both the opposition and regime, were never too fond of the Cairo-based organisation. The Syrian regime understands its symbolic value of adhering to League resolutions, but realises that the League has failed, almost at every single occasion of its 67-year history, at preventing “undesirable events” from happening in the Arab World. The most recent failures, Syrian officials say, are the 2003 war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon and the 2011 Nato war on Libya.
Now the League is positioning itself as a credible mediator in the Syria crisis, offering to bring the government and the exiled Syrian National Council for talks at the League’s headquarters in Cairo. That needs to be done within a 15-day grace period, whereas violence needs to stop on the Syrian streets and so do operations of the Syrian Army in different Syrian cities. To date, Syria’s strong ally, Russia, has extended support to the League Initiative.
The street is furious with the 15-day grace period, staging demonstrations last Friday against the League timeframe, claiming that it paves the way for more bloodshed in Syria. The opposition also claims that the League is biased towards Syrian officialdom, and does not want more regimes to fall in the Arab world. For its part, the Syrian government has said that it will accept the League initiative, “with conditions.” Condition I would be for dialogue to take place in Damascus rather than Cairo. Condition II is for talks to take place with the Syrian opposition at large, and not the National Council, which was created in Istanbul last month and which includes the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. As far as the regime is concerned, the Council “does not represent the Syrian street.” Condition III is that operations of the Syrian Army are “not up for negotiations” within the League framework.
Progress in doubt
Article continues below

Another sticking point is that Qatar currently heads the League and is due to supervise the upcoming League ministerial committee that is due to arrive in Damascus on Wednesday. The delegation will include the League Secretary General Nabeel Al Arabi and the foreign ministers of Algeria, Egypt, Oman and Sudan. The Syrian government is saying that Qatar is no longer impartial and has taken sides with the opposition against the Syrian regime. Syrian officialdom is furious, to say the least, with Al Jazeera’s coverage of events in Syria. Then last Wednesday, Qatar announced that it was willing to step down from the League’s ministerial committee, if that made life easier for the Syrians. Because of these two developments, Syria will welcome the League committee this week, but it is highly doubtful if any progress will be made, for the following reasons:
1. The League lacks enforcement measures to pressure Syria, if negotiations reach a bottleneck. The only measure it can take is freezing Syria’s membership in the League, which although symbolic, would not really damage or even hurt the Syrians. Egypt had its membership frozen for an entire decade, right after Camp David, but it eventually turned a new page with the League by the 1990s. Syria can do the same, if need be, although Syrian authorities are certain Arab countries would vote against suspending Syria’s membership, such as Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan and Algeria.
2. The Syrian government is not willing to sit and talk with the National Council, and the Council has said that it will only sit down with regime officials to negotiate exodus of the Syrian regime. Both parties refuse to budge and the League is completely incapable of changing their views.
3. Syria is saying that dialogue in Damascus will take place with “the national opposition” that refused foreign intervention in the Syrian crisis. They point to figures like ex-economy professor Aref Dalilah, former Baathist Hussain Al Odat, and exiled human rights activist Haitham Manaa, who recently shocked the Council by siding with the regime against it, saying that its members are creations of the US, Turkey, and France. Manaa, who remains persona non grata in Damascus, remains one of the most balanced and respected opposition figures in the diaspora. Back in 2003, he visited Syria at the invitation of the Syrian government, hailed as an iconic figure for saying that there will be no Ahmad Chalabis in Syria willing to topple the regime through the assistance of US tanks.
Now he is positioning himself as a moderate yet again, although he was among the loudest of voices in the opposition back in March, when disturbances started in his native Daraa. The Council, which is already being courted by world capitals and Arab ones like Libya, has said that it refuses any dialogue with anybody but the Council itself. Al Odat, who is spokesman of the National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change, welcomed the League initiative as it stands.
Precisely because of the points mentioned above, it is doubtful that the League initiative will fly. Neither side takes the League very seriously, and today, eight months into the crisis, Syria feels it is “back in control” whereas the foreign-based opposition is certain that the regime “is about to fall, any minute now.” There simply is no common ground to build upon between the Council and government on one front, and between both sides and the League, on the other.
Sami Moubayed is editor-in-chief of Forward Magazine in Damascus, Syria.

Norman

Cilina Nasser is in Lebanon. In the report she uses ‘we investigated’ while the reports was prepared through phone calls interviews with “eye witnesses”. This is not mentioned in the report and leads to believe she was on site, in Homs and Banyas.
While there is probably some truth in them, I am not sure I trust fully such reports that are published at very convenient time, the visit of the AL on Wednesday.

BBC is careful to use the words : “alleges” and “claims” with a disclaimer about the impossibility to verify reports coming from Syria:
“Syria ‘using hospitals for torture’ – Amnesty

Patients in government-run hospitals in Syria are being tortured in an attempt to suppress dissent, an Amnesty International report alleges.

The 39-page report claims patients in at least four state hospitals have been subjected to torture and other ill-treatment, including by medical staff.”
…
International journalists face severe restrictions to reporting in Syria, and it is hard to verify reports.”

http://www.amnesty.org/sites/impact.amnesty.org/files/PUBLIC/mde240592011eng.pdf

Yeah TARA .., I am paying attention for some time how you are always ready with a bunch shitty long articles to post after me. No problem, after you post the usual 3-4 of them, I will repost my comment again and on top of the page.

Here’s the report published by Amnesty international

http://www.amnesty.org/sites/impact.amnesty.org/files/PUBLIC/mde240592011eng.pdf
http://bit.ly/vEQoB1

Climate of fear in Syria’s hospitals as patients and medics targeted

25 October 2011

The Syrian government has turned hospitals into instruments of repression in its efforts to crush opposition, Amnesty International said today in a new report.

The 39-page report Health Crisis: Syrian Government Targets the Wounded and Health Workers documents how wounded patients in at least four government-run hospitals have been subjected to torture and other ill-treatment, including by medical workers.

Hospital workers suspected of treating protesters and others injured in unrest-related incidents have themselves faced arrest and torture.

“It is deeply alarming that the Syrian authorities seem to have given the security forces a free rein in hospitals, and that in many cases hospital staff appear to have taken part in torture and ill treatment of the very people they are supposed to care for,” said Cilina Nasser, Amnesty International Middle East and North Africa researcher.

“Given the scale and seriousness of the injuries being sustained by people across the country, it is disturbing to find that many consider it safer to risk not having major wounds treated rather than going to proper medical facilities.”

Amnesty International found that patients have been assaulted by medical staff, health workers and security personnel in at least the National Hospitals in Banias, Homs and Tell Kalakh and the military hospital in Homs.

One doctor at Homs military hospital told Amnesty International he had seen four doctors and more than 20 nurses abusing patients.

”Ahmed” was delivered unconscious to the National Hospital in Tell Kalakh on 22 August after being beaten by security forces. A witness saw him in the emergency room:

“There were around seven or eight security men, some carrying rifles, and nurses wearing white robes crowded around him. He opened his eyes and said: ‘Where am I?’ They all suddenly jumped on him and started beating him and hitting him.”

Patients have also been removed from hospitals. On 7 September, security forces looking for an alleged armed field commander opposed to the government raided al-Birr wa al-Khadamat Hospital in Homs. When they did not find him, they arrested 18 wounded people.

A health worker present during the raid told Amnesty International he saw at least one unconscious patient having his ventilator removed before he was taken away.

Afraid of the consequences of going to a government hospital, many people have chosen to seek treatment either at private hospitals or at poorly equipped makeshift field hospitals.

Doctors at the National Hospital in Homs told Amnesty International that the number of admissions for firearms wounds has dropped significantly since May, in contrast to the spiralling toll of deaths and injuries on the streets outside.

But blood supplies in Syria can only be obtained from the Central Blood Bank, which is controlled by the Defence Ministry, leaving private hospitals with a terrible dilemma. One medic who had worked a private hospital in Homs told Amnesty International:

“We faced a dilemma every time we received a patient with a firearm injury and an urgent need of blood: if we send a request to the Central Blood Bank, the security would know about him and we would be putting him at risk or arrest and torture, and possibly death in custody.”

Medical workers have themselves been targeted by security forces, some for treating injured people, others on suspicion of attending demonstrations or filming protesters.

On 7 August, around 20 soldiers and security forces raided a government hospital in Homs governorate, arresting seven hospital workers. One of the group told Amnesty International about his interrogation, during which some of his colleagues were badly beaten:

“[The interrogator] asked: ‘do you want to be tortured or do you want to talk?’ … He accused me and my colleagues of treating the wounded without reporting them to the authorities, and asked me for the names of the wounded.”

Amnesty International called on the Syrian authorities to give strict and clear instructions to all hospitals to accept and treat all wounded patients without delay, and to prioritize the interests of the patients over any other priorities.

“Syrian medical workers are being placed in an impossible situation – forced to choose between treating wounded people and preserving their own safety,” said Cilina Nasser.

“The Syrian authorities must see sense and urgently act to ensure that all patients are treated equally, without discrimination based on their suspected political loyalties or activities.”

“Anyone, whether a health worker or a member of the security forces, who is suspected of delaying, obstructing or interfering in the work of health workers providing treatment to the wounded must be held to account.”

Nk

Thanks for the link. I would never go to a Syrian hospital again, even in free Syria. Some Syrians are monsters in disguise. Never thought Syrians are capable of such crimes.

Tara , Norman

A smart article but very pessimistic and some caveats.

– The AL under a new leader, Nabil Al Arabi, may very well prove to be capable of solving Arab issue without allowing the destructive foreign military intervention. It’s the first AL League intervention with a new leader.
The reputation of Qatar and other Arab countries coming for the negotiations is at stake. I doubt they are ready for an easy failure.

– “The Council, which is already being courted by world capitals and Arab ones like Libya”

It is the other way around: The Council has courted Egypt and the Arab League and was bluntly ignored.
Turkey made it clear that it recognizes the Council only as an opposition group. Russia told them to dialog with Bashar Al Assad.

Beside France, the EU and the US gave the SNC a encouraging tap on the back. That’s courting?

If the AL agrees that the meeting will happen in Syria, the SNC will be pressed to send some of their members. If they reject the AL offer, they’ll bear the responsibility of the failure of the AL initiative and will appear to prefer their foreign sponsors plans for a military intervention. They’ll loose what is left of their credibility in the Arab world.

Remember that all the medias announced the meeting of the AL as a meeting to expel Syria. It did not happen. I am still hoping the AL plan will work.

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Amnesty international reports are just like the artillery that are used to soften the targets for the assault, they are just there to demonise Syria and the Syrians so killing and destruction that is planed for Syria will not be seen as criminal.

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http://www.alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=today%5C24qpt998.htm&arc=data%5C2011%5C10%5C10-24%5C24qpt998.htm

@Norman
From a previous post.

“111. NORMAN said:
Syria expat,
You owe me an apology, I was right and there was no need to ALEDGE , Don’t you think?”

Unfortunately, I don’t think so. In one of you earlier posts you claimed that “Qaddafi was captured alive then executed” without citing a source. You made that statement at a time when the news was still coming and it wasn’t clear what had happened. My response was to suggest that you qualify your statement with something like “some allege that Qaddafi was captured alive then executed.” Not a bad suggestion. I didn’t say that you were wrong. So there is nothing to apologize for.

Actually, it’s still unclear how Qaddafi was killed. Two people are claiming that they killed him. A third is claiming that while they were around him, shots were fired (his implying it was from far away) and Qaddafi was hit in the head. One of the people claiming to have killed Qaddafi said that he grabbed Qaddafi from behind while he was walking with some women and children. Others say they got him out of a pipe. So go figure. There’s a lot of lying. We heard the Libyan NTC confirm the capture of Qaddafi’s sons Muhammad and Saif Al-Islam and all news agency reporting the news only to discover that it was a lie. We heard the NTC confirm the capture of Qaddafi’s spokesperson only to find out it was lie. So it only makes sense to be careful when reporting the news.

By the way, it’s “allege” and NOT “ALEDGE.”

M16 and Libya
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/24/mi6-libya-rebels-rendition-al-qaida
Killing Qadhafi was the best solution for many parties especially his western friends who treated him as a useful idiot then gave him on a golden plate to angry Libyan fighters.

More horrors on Ghaddafi’s torture and execution

Gaddafi sodomized: Video shows abuse frame by frame (GRAPHIC)

An analysis appears to confirm that a rebel fighter sodomized Gaddafi with a knife.

SIRTE, Libya — An analysis of video obtained by GlobalPost from a rebel fighter who recorded the moment when Col. Muammar Gaddafi was first captured confirms that another rebel fighter, whose identity is unknown, sodomized the former leader as he was being dragged from the drainpipe where he had taken cover.

A frame by frame analysis of this exclusive GlobalPost video clearly shows the rebel trying to insert some kind of stick or knife into Gaddafi’s rear end.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/middle-east/111024/gaddafi-sodomized-video-gaddafi-sodomy

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What is ‘moderate islam’? Polygamy, full niqab, rights for minorities, women rights, mixity of genders etc..?

Contradictory statements from Libya’s leader Abdul-Jalil:

…I would like to assure the international community that we as Libyans are moderate Muslims,” said Abdul-Jalil, who added that he was dismayed by the focus abroad on his comments Sunday on polygamy.
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Libya is a deeply conservative Muslim nation, with most women wearing headscarves or the all-encompassing niqab. Islamists were heavily repressed under Gadhafi and are eager to have their say, raising the prospect of a battle for influence between hard-line and moderate Muslims. Already several attacks have occurred on shrines in and around Tripoli belonging to Muslim sects whose practices are seen as sacrilegious.

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http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-leader-seeks-calm-west-sharia-fears-214019428.html

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http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/10/24/173477.html

Assad to preside over national dialogue conference

DAMASCUS, Oct. 24 (Xinhua) — Preparations have started for convening a national conference presided by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to discuss ways of finding an outlet for the months-long crisis the country is going through, the private al- Watan newspaper said Monday.

A preparatory committee chaired by Syrian Vice-President Farouk al-Sharaa would be formed soon to make preparations for an expanded national dialogue conference, said the paper.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem has recently said that a presidential decree would be issued soon to form a preparatory committee grouping all spectra of Syrian people and national opposition figures.

The announcement came in the wake of calls by two moderate opposition parties on the Syrian government to speed up reforms, warning that some Arab and international sides are pushing towards military intervention in Syria.

The Popular Front for Liberation and Change and the National Democratic Initiative warned in two separate statements against the aggravation of the situation in the country given the slow pace of reforms.

The Popular Front urged other opposition parties to get engaged in the dialogue.

Syria has been plagued by unrest since mid-March when protests against Assad’s government erupted. More than 3,000 people including army and security members have been killed in the turmoil, according to figures released by the United Nations.

U.S. Senator John McCain said Sunday”now that military operations in Libya are ending, there will be renewed focus on what practical military operations might be considered to protect civilian lives in Syria.”

He made the remarks during the World Economic Forum in Jordan. However, the vast majority of the Syrian opposition has repeatedly dismissed the idea, while the U.S. administration also ruled out such ideas.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.asp?id=25448

“………The Popular Front for Liberation and Change…”

If you grew up in the Fifties, Sixties and Seventies you would have known few thousands of these same named 2 men fronts, and that is all they are until somebody, a terrorist regime usually, found you useful and front the cash to launch your terror mission. This dude behind this front is way out of time, don’t hope much will come out of his front, just like the 1000 before him.

Invitation for Mr Tlass

Mr Tlass you are invited on Tuesday 1st November for the running of the Melbourne Cup, it been going since 1861:

http://www.melbournecup.com/

You can enjoy the race, the bubbly and the fashion on-field. Hey you can get a glimpse of the Emir of Dubai (Sheikh Maktoum) handing the trophy for the winning horse; what could be better than that mate?

Those Emaratis’ know how to live!

I feel like pointing out that, for some reason, anti-government folks tend to think that anyone who doesn’t support them are in favour of killing protesters or something.

That’s not true, we simply do not believe half the stories that come out about what the Syrian government is supposedly doing. So many of them have been shown to be fraudulent, why should we accept all the other unconfirmed stuff as fact?

And by the way, Dale Andersen must be the most hateful commentator here, and he doesn’t even seem to have any stake in the conflict.

Habib @ 201

Has it ever occurred to you that you don’t believe it because you do not want to believe it?
What not to believe? The body trails? Banias veiled women shot down? Bodies being retrieved with ropes or metal sticks? Bodies of dead child sniped in the eye? Tal al Malouhi being imprisoned for blogging? Please tell me what part do you not believe?

187. Tara said:

Nk

Thanks for the link. I would never go to a Syrian hospital again, even in free Syria. Some Syrians are monsters in disguise. Never thought Syrians are capable of such crimes.

REALITY

No Syrian will ever believe such tales from Amnesty International after their lies about the “decapited” Zainab-al-Hosni
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/After-Amnesty-reported-her-decapitated,-Zainab-al-Hosni-appears-on-TV-22833.html
The medical personnel in Syria is always doing its best in any circumstances.

Tara
Please do a favor to the Syrian people :
Stay out of Syria and Syrian affairs ( including SC ).

It’s far simpler than that, Tara.

I believed in the gay girl. I believed in Zeinab Hosni. I believed in the videos that turned out to be from Lebanon and Iraq. The list goes on.

At this point, suspicion is natural. I feel bad now for not being more critical of the news coming out of Syria in the past.

Tara’s liars friends

Habib
You mentioned Zainab, do you not believe that there was dead body of a woman was given to the family of Zainab,a body of a woman that was killed and cut to pieces.
Who lied and said that the body was of a person name Zainab, it was your beloved Goverment who said that , it is the goverment who lied and said her name was Zainab, if you say the goverment lied then you are right, your biased opinion is your problem.

Amnesty International belongs in the same category of CNN, Fox News, Al Jazeera, BBC and others alike.
This so called human rights body has simply become nothing but another propaganda tool which is being utilised alongside others propagating lies and fabrications against Syria. Those who still see Amnesty International as a respectable human rights organisation are clearly delusional.

When an organisation which claims to be one that stands against human rights abuses, completely ignores the deaths of over a thousand security and army personnel, as well as the many civilians who were slaughtered by the terrorists affiliated with the Syrian ‘Revolution’ of terror and only reports one narrative, they lose credibility which can’t easily be regained. I wonder what other falsifications, in and outside of Syria Amnesty International have reported.

Zoo

I think Abdul Jalil made a mistake. He should not have said what he said. Constitutional issue should be publicly debated and undergo a referendum. If majority of Libyans approves of it then be it. it does not belong to one person to decide upon it just like that.

Niqab, polygamy, gender segregation, is not moderate islam.

majedkhaldoun:

It is not “my government”. Anyway, yes, there’s a body, but why exactly should the death be attributed to the regime? Just because it fits your preferred narrative? Where did the government claim it was her? It was all over Western and anti-government news.

In any case, dismembering females is more of an Islamist thing than anything else.

#208 Tara

It was not a mistake, analysts said that the Libyans fighters were expecting a declaration where Islam would be put back at the front.
This declaration was for local consumption.
It was a way to reassure the fighters of the religious direction for the country. Polygamy and what Abdel Jalil considers “moderate islam” was not allowed during Ghadafi’s regime.
I am afraid that if they let the Libyans decide, it won’t be a “moderate Islam” at all. The Libyan people, divided and under- developed are in search of an common identity. They may find it better in the conservative expression of Islam, especially if Qatar and Saudi Arabia provide the necessary “help”.

Tunisia, who is much more united and socially developed than Libya has opted for a “moderate Islam”. Al Nahda has rejected The turkish model as too ‘secular. This is why it would be interesting to know what is meant by “moderate islam”.

Habib

Then see no evil is what you decide to do and no point of arguing facts.

How on earth Zainab’s mother could have gotten the body. She went to the morgue shoppong for cadaver, found one and claimed it to be her daughter? Give me one plausible explanation of how the female dead body ended as fake Zainab?

The mother went to receive her son’s dead body. You do not have access to other dead bodies in the morgue. There is no way that she stumbled into the body by chance and then claimed ownership.

LIBYAN REALITY

The new Libyan constitution was published weeks ago on SC including the Sharia article.
It is not a surprise.
It should also be noted that the new government is still to be announced ,first delayed until the country was liberated , then now to be announced in two weeks ( until after NATO has stopped its operations ) .
Do not expect secularists/democrats to outnumber former Al Qaeda terrorists in this new Libyan government and the new government to move to Tripoli soon.

Habib Said ;

((In any case, dismembering females is more of an Islamist thing than anything else.))

Habib

You are wrong , Islam has nothing to do with that, That is a criminal act that has no religion.

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Tara:

Arguing facts? What facts? The only two facts is that there is an uprising, and that people are being shot on both sides. Everything else simply can’t be confirmed, because all info is provided by partisan sources, and any claim is as good as another.

The Zeinab story is fishy in many ways, yes, but like I told Majed, just because one version of the story fits your preferred narrative doesn’t make it truer than anything else.

What I find bizarre is that the body was filmed and the video was spread on anti-government sites. Who made this video, how did he get access to the corpse?

Norman: I said Islamist, not Islamic.

Peter Goodspeed: ‘Unimaginative, shrewd, outspoken’ and likely the next Saudi king

“Prince Nayef and his security services are on the front lines a Saudi battle to resist change. He commands a paramilitary force of about 130,000 men, the secret security services, local and national police, customs and immigration officials, and coast and border guards.

He is also responsible for the country’s notorious religious police, who enforce strict Islamic practices, such as women’s dress codes.

U.S. diplomatic cables, released by WikiLeaks, say Prince Nayef is “a hardline conservative who at best is lukewarm to King Abdullah’s reform initiatives.”

The cables described him as “elusive, ambiguous, pragmatic, unimaginative, shrewd and outspoken.”

{…}
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/10/24/peter-goodspeed-unimaginative-shrewd-outspoken-and-likely-saudi-arabias-next-king/

Is the SNC call for a strike succeeds beyond Daraa and few villages?

“The group’s statement also called for a nationwide strike to coincide with the Arab officials’ trip.”

A separate SNC statement urged Syrians to comply with a nationwide call for a general strike to coincide with Wednesday’s visit, saying the strike would usher in a new phase of the uprising and elevate it to a civil disobedience campaign to bring down the regime.

Many villages in the southern province of Daraa, where the uprising against the Assad regime began in mid-March, have been on strike for five days to protest the killings of several anti-government demonstrators last week.

A local activist told The Associated Press on Tuesday that security forces were trying to intimidate people into opening their shops, even calling from minarets on people to show to work but that most people were staying at home in defiance. He spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals.

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-opposition-calls-international-monitors-132629362.html

Peaceful unarmed unpaid “killed by the regime” “army defectors ” protesters

REALITY

Terrorist al-Assaf Confesses to Attacking Government Establishments and Army Checkpoints, Kidnapping, Torturing and Murdering Citizens

Oct 24, 2011

Terrorist Muhannad Fouad al-Assaf, a leader of an armed terrorist group in Homs, confessed to attacking government establishments, kidnapping, torturing and murdering citizens, shooting and killing demonstrators to frame the army and security forces, attacking army checkpoints, and vandalizing public and private property.

In confessions broadcast by the Syrian TV on Sunday, al-Assaf said that he was a neighbor of Bilal al-Ghen who invited him to his home and asked him to join him in demonstrations, to which al-Assaf agreed.

Al-Assaf, a barber born in 1974, said that al-Ghen tasked him with collecting money from specific people, two of which gave him a total of SYP 300,000 while the third, a woman named Fadia al-Jandali, have him a box of medicine, a box of ammo and SYP 500,000 she collected as donations from rich people she worked for as a cook.

“Bilal would go out in his pickup truck on which he mounted a machinegun and opened fire on the Police Command… we also broke street and traffic signs… he told us that he will arm us and indeed he gave us weapons and I formed an armed group consisting of 9 people while Bilal’s group contained more than 20 gunmen,” he said.

“We began by opening fire on protestors, killing ten of them to accuse the government of killing them… we also attacked the Trade Union and the Workers Pharmacy which we attacked ten times… we attacked an infirmary in al-Khalidiya and opened fire on it,” al-Assaf elaborated, adding that Bilal’s cousin Majed al-Ghen fired an RPG round at the infirmary.

“We attacked dozens of checkpoints in Homs… We attacked the school of Yousuf al-Azma in al-Khalidyah neighborhood. We were about 100 gunmen… we had AK-47 rifles and pump-action shotguns. Bilal had a machinegun. Bilal used to give me money to buy rifles, pump-action shotguns, RPG rounds, grenades and ammunition from ‘Khalid al-Zoubi’ from Tel Kalakh area.” He confessed.

He indicated that the weapons were coming to them through vehicles transporting vegetables from Lebanon, smuggling weapons from Beirut to Tel Kalakh to Bab Amro in Homs, then they would phone Bilal to receive them.

“In one operation, we smuggled 15 RPG rounds and about ten hand-made explosive charges. Bilal had two Thuraya satellite phones and several mobile phones,” al-Assaf said, pointing out that the group of Bilal al-Ghen abducted people and took them to a house in Old Homs, where they beat them up and tortured them before putting them in a car.

“I would drive this car to distant areas… We killed several people and dumped their bodies… I knew some of the people whom we killed. One of them was Ahmad al-Abrash and another was called Bashar. I was among the group that killed al-Abrash,” he said.

On the attack on the Homs Police Command, al-Assaf said “Bilal phoned Abdul-Minim Kolko, AKA Abu Hassan, then Bilal asked us to go by car to observe if there are nearby army or law-enforcement personnel. Bilal then went in his pick-up truck with a machinegun mounted on it and opened fire on the Police Command along with his cousins.”

He concluded that “Once, we attacked the Police Command with grenades and RPG rounds… Bilal’s group also killed a policeman at night on Hama Road.”

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/10/24/377429.htm

Habib
Sonny,you have a lot to learn before discussing, The goverment gave the family death certificate,with Zainab name on it,stop twisting facts.
you said Islamist, we have this discussion before, and you do not consider HA islamist even that they said they are islamist movement,again stop twisting facts you loose respect.

Tunisia’s Ghannouchi, ‘moderate’ Islamic radical

“We are much closer to the AKP of Turkey than we can ever be to the Taliban or Bin Laden.”

In a sign of tension between Islamists and secularists in Tunisia, Ghannouchi was heckled after voting in a Tunis suburb on Sunday, with queuing voters shouting “degage (leave)!” while calling him a “bastard” and a “terrorist”.

On the topic of gender equality, for which Tunisia is considered a pioneer in the Arab world, Ghannouchi told AFP last month: “… women’s rights cannot be touched. Women make up half of society and we need their votes.”

He has also ruled out a ban on alcohol

(…}
http://news.yahoo.com/tunisias-ghannouchi-moderate-islamic-radical-143204429.html

“I really feel a lot of fear and concern after this result,” said Meriam Othmani, a 28-year-old journalist. “Women’s rights will be eroded,” she said. “Also, you’ll see the return of dictatorship once Ennahda achieves a majority in the constituent assembly.”

‘Western diplomats say Ennahda is largely funded by Tunisian businessmen, which they say means the party will pursue pro-market economic policies.

It also sought to show it could represent all Tunisians, including the large number who take a laissez-faire view of Islam’s strictures, drink alcohol, wear revealing clothes and rarely visit the mosque.

Secularist opponents say they believe this is just a cleverly constructed front that conceals more radical views, especially among Ennahda’s rank and file in the provinces.

http://news.yahoo.com/islamists-claim-win-tunisias-arab-spring-vote-001237286.html

TURKISH efficiency
REALITY
Everybody remembers how quickly the Turkish authorities set up emergency camps to fully accommodate the thousands of Syrian refugees who have flown UNEXPECTEDLY.
Now , the same authorities are struggling to reiterate the same fate for their own citizens in the same short timescale in the earthquake stricken region.

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/10/24/377643.htm

Majed:

In any case, the west and the anti-government sites ate it raw, which shows that fact-checking is somehow irrelevant now.

And if the hospital gave them the certificate, does that equal the government?

As for Hezbollah, you’re the one who is twisting my words, of course they’re Islamists per definition.

Habib,

Sorry, my mistake.

Habib
When some one died this way a coroner has to examine the body and write a report, the coroner is goverment employee

Interview with Walid Al-Muallem

West two-faced over rights violations in Syria – country’s FM
http://rt.com/news/syria-reforms-opposition-minister-653/print/
Published: 25 October, 2011, 12:22
The economic sanctions which are having a harsh impact on the Syrian population highlight a clear contradiction in the West’s approach to Syria, insists Syria’s Foreign Minister Walid al-Muallem.

­The Minister gave an exclusive interview to RT discussing how the government of his country sees the way out of the bloodshed Syria has been plunged into since March.

RT: Your Excellency, you expressed reserve at the last meeting of foreign ministers of Arab states in Cairo on the situation in Syria, whereas the opposition welcomed their contribution. Do you think the Arab League has been playing a constructive role?

Walid al-Muallem: Unfortunately, due to the so-called Arab Spring, some countries that had been playing a significant role in the Arab League’s operation are now busy with their own domestic issues, and this doesn’t help consolidated solutions.

Hopefully, this situation will be resolved in the short-term, and these countries will become efficient again in consolidating the common Arab cause – this is first.

Do you think it would be reasonable to discuss a country’s problems without its participation?

Second, a proposal was made at this consultative meeting to freeze Syria’s membership of the Arab League – this is very dangerous. Most participating countries spoke against this proposal.

How can one imagine resolving common Arab problems without Syria?

And thirdly, this proposal contradicts the League’s charter, as the board of the Arab states’ leaders has the power to suspend or freeze membership. This power was breached when making a decision on Libya, and we’re all well aware of what happened then. The UN Security Council used the Arab League’s decision when adopting its resolution, and then NATO used this decision for its purposes. When Arabs speak up with such proposals they understand the purpose of these actions, which is to undermine what remains of the common Arab cause.

RT: The opposition states that the Syrian leadership has little time left to implement the reforms announced by President Bashar al-Assad. They are saying that the Syrian people are paying with their blood for delays in these reforms. Why is there such a delay in implementing them?

WAM: First of all, there is no delay. On the contrary, a universal reform program underway in Syria will be implemented in a record six months compared to other countries, including Russia, where reforms lasted for several years. I repeat that this is a record short period of time. Those who speak about reforms know that certain laws should be passed to see them through.

They include laws on political parties and parliamentary elections slated for next February. There are also elections to local self-government bodies. A law on the media should also be passed. A commission has been set up to draft the country’s new constitution. How fast should these things go? These are crucial issues, solutions to which will determine the face of new Syria, a pluralistic and democratic country, a model example to other nations in the region.

Is hasty action reasonable? These are serious problems that require serious approaches based on experience and international law.

Judging from that, I would say that the country’s leadership is not slowing down reforms and the deadlines set by the Syrian president are very short. In less than six months, the country will see these reforms carried out.

That is why I’m asking, if the opposition really cares for the future of this country, why it wouldn’t begin dialogue and lay out some serious approaches to creating a new Syria?

As for the bloodshed, let me ask you whether there’s a regime anywhere in the world whose purpose is to kill its own citizens? Or rather, isn’t its direct purpose to protect its own citizens from terrorists?

We are confronted with armed terrorist groups who have nothing to do with reform. These groups are being armed and financed from abroad. Every day, Syrian television reports new arrests of these groups’ members who are sowing terror. What objectives do they have other than how to earn more money? Therefore, we should differentiate the national opposition which is in favor of political and economic reforms from those armed groups.

RT:Could you please tell us what trends these groups belong to and who is giving them direct support?

WAM: According to our information, these are al-Qaeda groups operating from Iraq; also, “traditionalist” forces and Muslim Brotherhood units have been discovered. These units are financed from two sources – by Islamist organizations in the Arab world, including the Gulf States, as well as organizations based in European countries. The second source is weapons- and drugs-smugglers.

RT: Statements are made in the West one after another that the security forces continue to use violence against the protesters. We actually saw the security forces and armored vehicles in the streets of a few towns and around Homs ourselves during our visits to Syria. Why are so many troops needed in Syrian towns like Homs?

WAM: To start with, the West only pretends it is worried about human rights violations in Syria. In fact, it was the West that imposed economic sanctions that have hit the interests of the Syrian population so hard. This is an obvious discrepancy within the Western approach to Syria. They have a plan which clearly foresees impairment of the ruling regime in Syria, followed by its complete overthrow.

Why are they doing this? To minimize Syria’s influence in the region and force it to abandon its independent stance. The West seems to think that economic sanctions will help topple our government.

This is exactly why we should try to prevent this plan from being implemented. Secondly, we have not used tanks for seven months. We did use them in the very beginning to provide proper protection for soldiers who were safe inside them. But no tank has fired on the battlefield so far.

It is natural that no country would welcome a terrorist group financed and armed from abroad. These groups are a threat to citizens’ security and the work of state institutions and schools. Yesterday, three kids were killed in one family. There was a baby girl among the victims who was not even 17 months old. Is that what they call reforms? Or is it terror? Now you understand why I can openly confirm that we did deploy our security forces in the regions where militants are operating.

RT: Your Excellency, the Syrian opposition maintains that Russia’s Security Council resolution veto was supportive of the Syrian government’s position, whereas you say that this step prevented foreign intervention into Syria’s domestic affairs. As you know, Russia proposed a new resolution to the Security Council which is under consideration. What further steps can we expect Syria to take should this new resolution be approved by Western powers?

WAM: First of all, we do not expect the West to approve Russia’s new resolution. Secondly, vetoing that resolution has created benefit to Syria, but not only Syria. It gave us more time to implement reforms. Russia, above all other states, requires the Syrian government to implement the reforms in question and maintain a comprehensive dialogue.

We did more than just make use of Russia’s veto. We used it to lift external pressures from our reform process. And we agree with Russia that any foreign intervention into our domestic affairs is unacceptable, just as is any attempt to increase economic sanctions against Syria, since they infringe upon the interests of Syrian citizens. In the course of our consultations it became clear that Russia is even more demanding than other countries in urging Syria to complete reforms and maintain a comprehensive political dialogue. Another issue here is that Russia’s vetoing the proposed resolution gave new life to the Security Council itself by stripping the USA of its decision-making monopoly on the international stage – and that’s a very important thing. Just look at what their monopoly did in Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The truth is that the policy the United States is trying to implement here, in our region, is far from unbiased. It’s not even their own policy. It is a policy that serves Israel’s interests. That’s the truth. I worked in the United States for ten years, and I know this to be true.

RT: Your Excellency, you have doubtless taken steps to alleviate the impact of economic sanctions in place against Syria. What role is Russia playing and what plans have you made with Moscow to cope with and resolve this situation?

WAM: The West, that is the European Union, Japan, and the USA, have levied economic sanctions against us that impede our economic development. They expected these sanctions to bring down the ruling regime.

Quite naturally, under such circumstances Syria must rely on its own resources and capacities. I am hereby saying that we have enough strategic resources. We have over a year’s supply of food and basic products to meet the population’s demand, starting with grain, and so on. Secondly, we need to develop economic ties with countries pursuing an independent policy, countries which haven’t joined this Western plan – I mean such countries as Russia, India, Malaysia, and China. There are enough states with developed economies and advanced achievements in science and technology. And these are the states we shall develop our relations with. Thus, by relying on our own capacities and building co-operation with friendly states, we hope to make it through the current situation.

RT: Your Excellency, it seems that Turkey is close to recognizing the National Council. How will Syria respond if this takes place?

WAM: I don’t want to get ahead of events, but Turkey knows the scope of Syrian-Turkish relations. We signed 50 intergovernmental agreements followed by growth in trade and cultural exchange. The end goal is to establish strategic relations between the two countries. We have been working towards this, which in practice means that citizens of both countries can visit each other under a visa-free regime. Hopefully we won’t go as far as to destroy the results of all our efforts over the last ten years.

RT: Could we move on to a different subject now? Did Damascus set any preconditions before agreeing to receive Palestinian prisoners? It’s known that the West has been putting pressure on Syria for hosting the Hamas leadership. Did Syria lay out any specific conditions before agreeing to receive Palestinians released from Israeli jails?

WAM: First, we have to remember that Syria has been part of the Palestinian issue. We handed over the Golan Heights in an attempt to resolve the issue. It’s impossible to break this strong link between Syria and the Palestinian problem, which is manifested both in our support for the resistance movement and in attempts to resolve the problem at regional and international levels. Therefore it’s natural that there could be no conditional requirements.

From Angry Arab blog:
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/10/centrist-islam.html
“… Let me say this to my readers: the NATO intervention in Libya will bring you a Bin Ladenite republic the likes of which we have not seen since the overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan. A monster is about to be born there. And some of those armed factions will be engaging in a war against Western targets. I have seen this movie before”.

But wasn’t it you, Mr Angry, who for years criticized HA and Hamas for not being radical enough? And who called the “moderates”, stooges and buffoons, for potato sake?

I don’t share Mr AbuKhalil’s worries. He seems to be an expert on Arabia, and I’m just a commoner. But still. Every opinion poll from across Arabia shows that Arabs want democracy, and reject the Sharia state. Only time will tell whether Mr Angry’s grim predictions materialized.
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I posted an article about HA last night. I am interested in hearing comments from Lebanese or interested Syrians if any. Do you guys agree with it?

Correction to my last post. Any one interested. Does not have to be Syrian or Lebanese. Do not want to give the impression that I am interested in uncovering people’s nationality. I learned to understand the sensitivity.

This is Tara question ,

175. Tara said

League initiative for Syria will not fly – October 25, 2011

There is no common ground to build on between the opposition and government or between both sides and the Arab bloc

http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/league-initiative-for-syria-will-not-fly-1.917919

Although their country is a founding member of the Arab League, Syrians of all colours, both the opposition and regime, were never too fond of the Cairo-based organisation. The Syrian regime understands its symbolic value of adhering to League resolutions, but realises that the League has failed, almost at every single occasion of its 67-year history, at preventing “undesirable events” from happening in the Arab World. The most recent failures, Syrian officials say, are the 2003 war on Iraq, the 2006 war on Lebanon and the 2011 Nato war on Libya.

Now the League is positioning itself as a credible mediator in the Syria crisis, offering to bring the government and the exiled Syrian National Council for talks at the League’s headquarters in Cairo. That needs to be done within a 15-day grace period, whereas violence needs to stop on the Syrian streets and so do operations of the Syrian Army in different Syrian cities. To date, Syria’s strong ally, Russia, has extended support to the League Initiative.

The street is furious with the 15-day grace period, staging demonstrations last Friday against the League timeframe, claiming that it paves the way for more bloodshed in Syria. The opposition also claims that the League is biased towards Syrian officialdom, and does not want more regimes to fall in the Arab world. For its part, the Syrian government has said that it will accept the League initiative, “with conditions.” Condition I would be for dialogue to take place in Damascus rather than Cairo. Condition II is for talks to take place with the Syrian opposition at large, and not the National Council, which was created in Istanbul last month and which includes the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. As far as the regime is concerned, the Council “does not represent the Syrian street.” Condition III is that operations of the Syrian Army are “not up for negotiations” within the League framework.

Progress in doubt

Another sticking point is that Qatar currently heads the League and is due to supervise the upcoming League ministerial committee that is due to arrive in Damascus on Wednesday. The delegation will include the League Secretary General Nabeel Al Arabi and the foreign ministers of Algeria, Egypt, Oman and Sudan. The Syrian government is saying that Qatar is no longer impartial and has taken sides with the opposition against the Syrian regime. Syrian officialdom is furious, to say the least, with Al Jazeera’s coverage of events in Syria. Then last Wednesday, Qatar announced that it was willing to step down from the League’s ministerial committee, if that made life easier for the Syrians. Because of these two developments, Syria will welcome the League committee this week, but it is highly doubtful if any progress will be made, for the following reasons:

1. The League lacks enforcement measures to pressure Syria, if negotiations reach a bottleneck. The only measure it can take is freezing Syria’s membership in the League, which although symbolic, would not really damage or even hurt the Syrians. Egypt had its membership frozen for an entire decade, right after Camp David, but it eventually turned a new page with the League by the 1990s. Syria can do the same, if need be, although Syrian authorities are certain Arab countries would vote against suspending Syria’s membership, such as Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan and Algeria.

2. The Syrian government is not willing to sit and talk with the National Council, and the Council has said that it will only sit down with regime officials to negotiate exodus of the Syrian regime. Both parties refuse to budge and the League is completely incapable of changing their views.

3. Syria is saying that dialogue in Damascus will take place with “the national opposition” that refused foreign intervention in the Syrian crisis. They point to figures like ex-economy professor Aref Dalilah, former Baathist Hussain Al Odat, and exiled human rights activist Haitham Manaa, who recently shocked the Council by siding with the regime against it, saying that its members are creations of the US, Turkey, and France. Manaa, who remains persona non grata in Damascus, remains one of the most balanced and respected opposition figures in the diaspora. Back in 2003, he visited Syria at the invitation of the Syrian government, hailed as an iconic figure for saying that there will be no Ahmad Chalabis in Syria willing to topple the regime through the assistance of US tanks.

Now he is positioning himself as a moderate yet again, although he was among the loudest of voices in the opposition back in March, when disturbances started in his native Daraa. The Council, which is already being courted by world capitals and Arab ones like Libya, has said that it refuses any dialogue with anybody but the Council itself. Al Odat, who is spokesman of the National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change, welcomed the League initiative as it stands.

Precisely because of the points mentioned above, it is doubtful that the League initiative will fly. Neither side takes the League very seriously, and today, eight months into the crisis, Syria feels it is “back in control” whereas the foreign-based opposition is certain that the regime “is about to fall, any minute now.” There simply is no common ground to build upon between the Council and government on one front, and between both sides and the League, on the other.

Syria eyes ruble, yuan to head off EU sanctions – 25 October 2011

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle11.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2011/October/middleeast_October520.xml&section=middleeast

DAMASCUS — Syria’s central bank added the Russian ruble and China’s yuan to its list of convertible currencies ahead of tougher European Union sanctions, a newspaper reported on Tuesday.“The Russian and Chinese currencies were added two days ago to the list of exchange rates of Arab and foreign currencies issued by the Central Bank of Syria,” the bank’s governor, Adib Mayaleh, said in Al-Watan daily.

The listing allows foreign currencies to be traded against the Syrian pound.

Mayaleh said the decision was taken in anticipation of tougher EU sanctions.

The United States, for its part, has “applied sanctions against Syria and its people, and prevented them from dealing in US dollars as well as from using international Visa and MasterCard credit cards,” he noted.

Such measures “in reality target the Syrian people, contrary to what they say,” the governor said.

Mayaleh said Syria’s strategic reserves of US dollars were worth $18 billion. But $1.2 billion earmarked for projects by the EU, European Investment Bank and other European institutions had been lost due to sanctions.

European Union leaders on Sunday said they were ready to slap more sanctions on Syria until the regime halts the use of violence against dissenters.

It has already issued several rounds of sanctions against President Bashar al-Assad’s regime, extending measures against members of his inner circle to banks and the oil sector.

In an eighth round of sanctions earlier this month, the EU targeted a Syrian commercial bank.

Last month, it banned the delivery to Syria’s central bank of bank notes and coins produced in the EU and prohibited European firms from making new investments in Syria’s oil industry.

That measure followed a ban on imports of Syrian crude to Europe. The continent buys 95 percent of Syria’s oil exports, providing the regime with one-third of its hard currency earnings

@TARA

Hezbollah article does not mention these intercontinental sized missiles Syria and Iran gave them, …

[DELETED BY ALEX: Please avoid any similar humor in the future, next time will have to ban you for a week]

Majedoglu and Tarakanem will keep chewing the same bad gum which Aljazera and Alarabia spit out,they have no new gum to chew:

Even if late, it’s interesting to know what exactly diplomats in UN SC said on Syria’s situation after last resolution vote. See how the professionals are playing their polite game.

http://www.voltairenet.org/Meeting-of-the-Security-Council-on

SNP 232,

That was super funny! LMAO!

US Ambassador Ford pulled out. Prelude to an attack or just more Syria-bashing? (he had to return to dc for a fresh supply of lies)

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_63953.shtml

a simple way to debunk this government-controlled media report by the BBC is to replace the following terms used:

Replace “pro-Assad demonstrators” with “Defenders of Syrian sovereignty.”

Replace “Syrian Activists” & “activists and protestors” & “mostly unarmed demonstrators” & “human rights activists” with “renegades and mercenaries organized by the US State Department to overthrow the Syrian government.

Replace President Bashar al-Assad’s “rule” with President Bashar al-Assad’s “governance .”

Replace “Syrian regime-led incitement” with US-led incitement and resulting in Syrian defense of their country.

Replace “daily reports of activists and protesters dying” with US-backed renegades losing their lives in their attempt to overthrow the government. (imagine what the response of any US regime will be if/when the people lead an armed insurrection against it)

Replace “US Ambassador Ford” with Robert Ford, CIA operative working for the US State Department.

replace america with amurderka, inc

Zoo @210

Just so to understand you better, do you agree that the Libyan revolution is not an Islamic one? It was carried by people who are Muslims but it was not born out of an Islamic zeal and its goal was to own back a country that was stolen by Quadafi for so many years.

I am not well versed on what is the percentage of conservative vs moderate Muslims in Libya but it appears intuitively that oppression is what radicalizeS the masses. Now I agree that some individuals can be very conservative by nature but it is rather the oppression that usually drives masses into becoming more religious. Syrian women in the 60s and 70s used to wear short above the knee dresses. Now lots of them cover their hair. Is their an explanation for that other than the Assad’ oppressive rules driving the masses into clinging to what they own the most:religion.

*** MORE GOOD NEWS FOR OUR TOOTHLESS PAPER TIGER ERDOGAN ***

Clashes With Kurds Are Pushing Turkey Back Toward Conflict

October 24, 2011

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/world/europe/clashes-with-kurdish-rebels-push-turkey-back-toward-conflict.html

“Our operations proved no results so far, but neither have the attacks by the P.K.K.,” Ms. Ozcan said. The P.K.K.’s aggressive attack and the government’s muscular response have provoked anxiety about the future, particularly because they follow several years of relative calm.

“These developments are a really disturbing escalation, because they appear to be an attempt by the P.K.K. to invite Turkey back to the hell of the 1990s,” said Hugh Pope, an analyst at the International Crisis Group, which researches conflicts worldwide.

violence has increased markedly here in the southeast since June, according to figures compiled by the International Crisis Group; 111 members of the security forces have been killed, as have 31 civilians and at least 80 P.K.K. fighters. The separatist group has also kidnapped at least 20 people viewed as supportive of the state, although data on kidnappings are imprecise.

“We have been down this road many times before,” Mr. Pope said, referring to the recent military action. “Politicians might say they can hit the P.K.K. out of the park this time, but it never has worked and it never can work.”

Turkey has refused to respond to the demands of the P.K.K. but recently approved public broadcasting in Kurdish. Kurds make up about a fifth of Turkey’s total population, 74 million.

“We want peace, but we also want our rights,” said Narinc, 55, a protester in Cizre who declined to give her last name. “We don’t want any of these poor boys to die, but we want the state to hear us and to see what our lives here are like.”

Ouster of Syria’s Assad would be ‘opportunity’ for Israel (video)

Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the US, said Tuesday it will take more time to know how the democratic uprisings in Arab nations will affect relations with Israel. But ‘possible ouster’ of President Assad in Syria would afford ‘an opportunity to us,’ he said.

October 25, 2011

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/monitor_breakfast/2011/1025/Ouster-of-Syria-s-Assad-would-be-opportunity-for-Israel-video

Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the United States, said Tuesday it will take more time to determine how the Arab Spring, and the new governments it has ushered in, will affect Middle East nations’ relations with Israel.

He also indicated that the Jewish state is keeping a close eye on developments in neighboring Syria, where protesters are challenging the rule of President Bashar Assad. “We do see a possible ouster of Mr. Assad as affording an opportunity to us,” Ambassador Oren said at a Monitor-hosted breakfast for reporters.

Oren cautioned that the Arab Spring, which began in Tunisia last December with demonstrations surrounding the self-immolation of a vegetable seller named Mohammed Bouazizi, “is still in an inchoate period. And I think it is going to take a while to see how it plays out” in terms of various nations’ relations with Israel, he said.

Israel’s man in Washington noted that the Arab world is “focusing on their internal challenges, on job opportunities, futures for their children, figuring out how the democratic system works for them.” The American-born Oren, who was educated at Columbia University and Princeton, added, “eventually they will address the question of [their] relationship with Israel, and I hope they address it in a positive way.”

As a result of the Arab Spring, old governments are out in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya, and new governments are taking shape. In Syria, President Assad is using the military to suppress demonstrations against his regime. The United Nations says 3,000 people have died in the crackdown there. Over the weekend, the United States withdrew its ambassador to Syria, Robert Ford, citing threats to his safety.

Oren offered two examples of how Assad’s downfall would be beneficial to Israel.

“We think that would possibly weaken the alliance between Syria and Iran. It would possibly loosen the Syrian stranglehold of Lebanon,” he said. “It would be good for just about everybody in the region except for the Ba’athist regime,” which has held power in Syria since 1963.

Bronco @190

Where does it say that the AL agreed to have the location of the dialogue in Syria?
Also, do you know anything about Alarabi background?

Zoo

Was it you who said a week or two ago that SNC should call for general strike in Syria for us to evaluate their impact on the Syrian street? They did. Is that a coincidence?

Will see what happen tomorrow.

ABOUD sighted in this video at his new job in HOMS

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8842478/Strongman-pulls-100-tonne-train.html

An interesting article to read on RT.
http://rt.com/news/syria-reforms-opposition-minister-653/

Walid al-Muallem is presenting his cause well.
In contrast, here is USA’s foreign secretary approach:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051826/We-came-saw-died-What-Hillary-Clinton-told-news-reporter-moments-hearing-Gaddafis-death.html

233.
Syria eyes ruble, yuan to head off EU sanctions – 25 October 2011
Dared!!! Into practice enters currencies of the next 20 years! From it only to expect advantage!! Let the others cling to an old steam locomotive of 20 centuries

Well Alex, I am going to ban myself from SC for a week or more, the information received today is very depressing, no light at the end of the tunnel seen. The Syrian Revolution was fake op and Assad knows that well, he has the intel and confession files. He is not going to give in one iota, the conmen are already negotiating. Have fun…I am getting depressed here, need to refresh on the beach.

233.
Syria eyes ruble, yuan to head off EU sanctions – 25 October 2011

Dared!!! Into practice enters currencies of the next 20 years! From it only to expect advantage!! Let the others cling to an old steam locomotive.

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SNP

By all means enjoy the beach if you are lucky enough to live near one. But don’t get depressed yet … this is a period of fast change, not only in Syria and the Arab world, but god knows where else.

Ah…exciting news

A demonstration in the “romantic” Hamidieh in downtown Damascus today. Of course quickly dispersed by the Shabeehas.

CIA’s Covert Iraq Mission – 15 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.com/cias-covert-iraq-mission-044800908.html

As the U.S. military departs Iraq, the CIA is looking at how it can absorb and continue secret counterterrorism and intelligence programs run inside that country for years by the Joint Special Operations Command and other military organizations, officials tell The Daily Beast.

The programs involve everything from the deployment of remote sensors that scan the wireless spectrum of terrorist safe havens to stealth U.S.-Iraqi counterterrorism commando teams, and their status is uncertain as a U.S. diplomatic team negotiates with Iraqi leaders, according to officials, who made clear the CIA intends to keep a footprint inside the country even as troops leave by Dec. 31.

“There are of course parts of the counterterrorism mission that the intelligence community, including CIA, will be able to take on from other organizations—and there are parts of that mission that it won’t,” said one U.S. counterterrorism official who requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of secret negotiations with the Iraqis.

But the official added: “This idea that the U.S. military and CIA are somehow interchangeable is misinformed—they work together closely on some counterterrorism issues, but their missions, expertise, and authorities are fundamentally different. When the U.S. military leaves Iraq, some things just won’t happen anymore.”

In the last months of the Bush administration, the United States negotiated a plan to leave Iraq by the end of 2011. While the Pentagon pressed to keep between 5,000 and 15,000 troops in Iraq past that date, U.S.-Iraq negotiations broke down this month when Iraqi leaders refused to grant soldiers and military contractors immunity from Iraqi domestic law.

On Friday, many in the U.S. national-security bureaucracy were shocked when President Obama announced the end of the military mission in Iraq by Jan. 1. U.S. military planners had assumed that some intelligence missions would still be run from U.S. bases in Iraq into 2012. The new White House policy throws that plan into jeopardy.

Nonetheless, National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Monday that the United States was negotiating over the future elements of the U.S.-Iraqi military relationship. “As we complete the drawdown, we will continue to have discussions with Iraqi leaders about how best to meet their security needs in a manner that meets our mutual interests,” he said. “Possibilities could include training, exchange programs, tactical exercises, and regular coordination. But they will not include U.S. forces being permanently based in Iraq.”

Other U.S. officials say the CIA is examining how it can continue many of these secret programs once the U.S. military leaves. Many of these programs were developed in 2007 and 2008, when CIA Director David Petraeus, then a four-star Army general, assumed command of the multinational forces in Iraq.

The CIA, with its drones and paramilitary forces, has a far smaller, more stealth footprint than brigades of soldiers, meaning most Americans won’t see much of its continuing activity.

“My sense is that there will be some discussions about what can be given the CIA and whether some of the counterterrorism arrangements that exist today can be negotiated through a separate and secret channel,” said Marisa Cochrane Sullivan, managing director of the Institute for the Study of War, a think tank with close ties to Petraeus and the military’s new generation of counterinsurgency specialists.

While the CIA can pick up some of the slack for the departing military, another possibility is U.S. allies in the region. The United States is in talks with Kuwait about moving some equipment and troops there, said U.S. diplomats who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Jasem al-Budaiwi, the deputy chief of mission for Kuwait’s embassy in Washington, declined to comment directly on the substance of the negotiations. “There is always continuous cooperation from both the Kuwaiti and U.S. side on military, political, and economic issues,” he said. “We have a great bilateral relationship. All issues are always discussed through many channels.”

The United States is also in discussions with Turkey about pre-positioning sensitive sensors, drones, and other equipment used in Iraq at the Incirlik airbase, which hosted a U.S. Air Force mission in the 1990s to monitor northern Iraq.

A Turkish Embassy spokesman in Washington said the United States would continue to assist Turkey in targeting Kurdish radical separatists, known as the PKK. “Moreover, the intelligence support provided by the United States will be continued on a bilateral basis,” he added. “We attach importance to this support. That said, we are not able to provide details on the content, equipment, or the methods of the cooperation between the two sides in this area.”

For now, a major issue for the military and U.S. intelligence community is retaining some of the capabilities of the Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR) programs run out of Iraq when these cannot be launched from bases inside the country. These programs, in combination with a population-centric counterinsurgency strategy, are widely credited within the military with stopping al Qaeda’s efforts to turn Iraq into a Sunni Islamic republic. The programs included detailed full-motion video monitoring of known terrorist enclaves as well as the lightning-quick interception of temporary cellphone calls and text messages from suspected terrorists.

“We could run ISR collection activities out of Turkey and Kuwait, but the real problem is we have a lot of collection targets in Iraq,” said a senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the details of negotiations over the programs. “We need to know what is going on all over Iraq, or at least in critical nodes.”

Such areas, the official said, include Anbar, the western Iraqi desert that produced al Qaeda in Iraq; Basra, Iraq’s second-largest city, which remains a hub for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard corps and other Shiite militias; and Najaf, the Muslim holy city that hosts the most prestigious seminary for Shiite theologians, known as the Hawza.

“We especially need to establish deep collection on the Najaf Hawza if and when [Grand Ayatollah Ali] Sistani goes belly up. We need to know who is going to replace him,” the official said.

Often through military channels to local militias and other groups, U.S. forces in Iraq also ran intelligence programs against Iran and Syria. In some cases, U.S. operations in those countries went beyond intelligence collection. In October 2008, U.S. special forces raided a compound in Sukkariyeh, Syria, a town just over the border from Iraq, to target an al Qaeda in Iraq planner named Badran Turki Hishan al-Mazidih, also known as Abu Ghadiya.

The United States also provides the Iraqi military with key capabilities, such as maintenance of its aircraft, logistics for the military’s supply lines, and “intelligence fusion.” One House staffer who follows the U.S.-Iraqi negotiations closely explained the latter term as “putting everyone on the same network,” or creating a system for intelligence sharing for Iraq’s national-security agencies.

At the moment, many of the programs for counterterrorism and intelligence collection are “in jeopardy,” the staffer said. “But they are saying they are still in ongoing negotiations on the training and security missions. It is entirely possible that this is touch and go. Everyone gets a political win on Jan. 1, but personnel will trickle in after the new year starts.”

Vietor said Monday that the post-2011 diplomatic presence in Iraq would include “a robust Office of Security Cooperation, which will serve as the primary mechanism for our continued security support to Iraq.” He added, “Among other training and support functions, it will manage the Foreign Military Sales program, through which Iraq has already committed billions of dollars.” Iraq has spent $7.5 billion on U.S. equipment since 2005 and committed another $4.8 billion for pending sales, including an agreement earlier this year to buy U.S.-made F-16 aircraft, according to Vietor.

The United States will need to find a way to remain in Iraq in 2012 just to keep the Iraqi military functional, said Cochrane Sullivan. “Right now we still provide important capabilities—for example, medical evacuation; we provide intelligence; we provide logistical support,” she said. “The Iraqis have some helicopters, but they are still reliant on the United States there as well.”

One possibility would be to “rotate forces in and out of Iraq for a set of exercises,” she said. “You bring them in to do an exercise or a training course, and then you pull them out. That’s the not the same as stationing troops in Iraq past 2011.”

When Al-Jazeera TV airs news of events in Syria from testimonies of anti-regime eyewitnesses, Al-Jazeera says that these eyewitnesses are the ones responsible for the credibility of the news, while the channel itself not responsible. However, when pro-regime eyewitnesses contact Al-Jazeera with testimonies that contradict the anti-regime eyewitnesses, Al-Jazeera chooses to not air them. For example, according to Al-Jazeera news — citing residents in Homs City as the news source — the Syrian airforce dropped bombs on Homs City. When other residents in Homs City phoned Al-Jazeera to report that this story was completely fictitious, Al-Jazeera ignored those other reports. Thus because Al-Jazeera is picking and choosing its Syrian sources, with systematic bias against pro-regime sources, Al-Jazeera is in fact responsible itself for the credibility of its news. Besides hurting its own credibility, Al-Jazeera is hurting the anti-regime cause when it airs completely fictitious stories from anti-regime eyewitnesses when the stories are easy to refute, such as the story that the airforce bombed Homs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKhSn0JKQcQ

The same can be said about the rubbish that Joshua Landis posts, such as Joshua’s link to “Assad forces shelled civilian houses in Baba Amr, Homs” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0pftn66NjE (PS re time 0:50 in the video: Is it legal to keep chickens in apartments Homs City?). Besides hurting his own integrity he’s hurting the integrity of the anti-regime cause. The fake revolution has failed, thank God.

#239 Tara

“Now I agree that some individuals can be very conservative by nature but it is rather the oppression that usually drives masses into becoming more religious”

After the fall of Qaddafi, one woman interviewed said: “At least now I can wear the hejab at the University!

Dictators in the region ( Ataturk, Shah of Iran, Ben Ali, Ghaddafi, Mobarak) have tried to “force” on their people western values sometime clashing with the traditional form of Islam. They were usually supported by Western countries eager to propagate the judeo-christian style of life. Islam conservatives people perceived it as “oppression”.
In Iran under the Shah, the style of life had become gradually more westernized, despite the political oppression, yet the revolution showed that there was a rejection of the western values as a whole and a desire to return to traditional Islam. Old countries usually rejects any values imposed brutally on them from outside. They prefer to have their own ones evolve within their culture.

The fall of a western oriented dictatorship is often followed either by a military or a religious regime. ( Turkey, Iran). It takes decades for it to transform into a democracy.

Libya is a conservative moslem country and Ghaddafi has fought against radical Islam to give rights to women and minorities. Shah of Iran, Ben Ali and Mobarak did the same.
Now that they are gone, depending on the education level of the citizens, there could be a return to a form a authoritarism, either military or religious.
While in Tunisia it may be a moderate religious authoritarian regime, I think Libya may turn out to be a much more rigid Islamic republic.

Democracy is far far at the horizon…

Syria’s Foreign Minister Walid Al-Moallem says in an interview with Russia Today TV: “In the course of our consultations [with Russia] it became clear that Russia is even more demanding than other countries in urging Syria to complete reforms.” Many Russians, Chinese, and other non-Syrians with goodwill for Syria are feeling impatient: they think the pace Syria’s reforms is too slow. Here’s something to reflect on. http://www.doingbusiness.org/rankings has a ranking of 183 countries worldwide on the criterion of “enforcing business contracts”. This criterion is mostly a measure of how long it takes for a commercial legal case to move through the courts plus how long it takes to enforce the court’s judgment when the plaintiff wins the case. According to DoingBusiness.org’s data, all Arabic-speaking countries rank low internationally on that criterion, and Syria ranks the lowest. Syria’s rank is 175 out of the 183 countries. Meanwhile Russia ranked 13th worldwide and China ranked 16th. So, apparently, bureaucracy moves a lot slower in Syria than in Russia or China.

An English-language transcript of Walid Al-Moallem’s interview with Russia Today TV was posted yesterday at http://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria?sk=wall In the interview Al-Moallem says the pace of the reforms program is not unduly slow. I disagree with him.

Tara, did you check out the book I recommended ? ( Al raheeq al makhtoum).

SNP
Watch for tsunami

Aljazeera
Lately, every time I appear on Aljazeera I think it is my last time, and yet they surprise me with another invitation. But today, I really feel it was the last time. I will post a link once I receive it.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 8:49 AM
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Zoo

Thank you for your response.  In my views, the libyans revolted not because Quaddafi tried to impose western values but actually to the contrary, they revolted because of their genuine desire to have the real so called “western values” of democracy, freedom of expression, emotion, religion, expression, fair election and what have you.

There is a big difference between western lifestyle that Arabs might reject and western values of freedom, democracy etc..  The western lifestyle of sexual freedom (sexual relationship without marriage) for instance would never appeal to the Arabs no matter what their religion is.  And while sexual freedom is a way of life in the west and might be arguably considered by westerner to be a “value”‘, it is not the value the Arab society is looking for.  

Those dictator you mentioned did not rule by western values.  They imported or allowed the western lifestyle but not the values I am referring to.

We should not have problem if the new government in Libya allows girls to wear the hijab in the universities and even legalize polygamy as long as that same government does not impose wearing hijab on all women and as long as it protects the right of the seculars to wear a bikini at the beach if they desire to do so.

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Khaled

I have not had a chance yet.

Do you think the Syrian street will respond to the SNC call for general strike tomorrow?

Tara, you ignore my post again.

Do you think I’m the one bothering you now ?

Khaled,

See 261. I am not ignoring you and you are not bothering me.

^ Personally, I’m against the concept of “general strike”, it is usually bad for the people who do not have fat government jobs, so I’m not in favour of this strike, strikes are Leftist/Communist nonsense, strikes will only affect the poor people, not the tyrants. That being said, I think there will be a HUGE response throughout the areas that have come out proetsting, things may be a bit different in Halab and Deirezzor though, I think it was unfair that not one representaive from Deirezzor ( or al Jazira region in general) was included in the SNC. ( they do have 1 Kurd and 1 Assyrian from Al Jazira, but no Arab rep from Jazira). But I will be praying for the strike becoz that will establish the status of SNC as the most major opposition allaince.

Internationally renowned film-maker Sean McAllister describes what he saw and heard while detained in a Syrian cell by the authorities.

http://www.channel4.com/news/journalist-witnesses-syrian-authorities-torturing-activists

Sorry Tara, I didn’t see your post.

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Khaled

I am hoping for massive strike too so critiques stop arguing that the SNC does not represent the Syrian street. Not that I am against the internals opposition but at this point I can’t possibly know who is genuine and who is fake. The third way for instance is nothing but pseudo- opposition created by the regime who want to carry a dialogue with itself.

Finally Bassam Alkadi joined a political movement:

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The kidnapping, torturing and killing of Syrians now reached those who are active in the virtual world too:

From FB

“torturing and murdering one of the Admins of Syrian Electronic Army “Mohammad Ahmad Kabbani” today in Idleb
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#127. HABIB asked: “Anyone know what NATO can possibly do if Russia and China keep vetoing?”

Here’s an indirect answer:

(1) France has a fundamental and firm policy that the UN Security Council is the only authority that can authorize a military attack against a sovereign country. That policy is self-serving for France; see France’s status on the Security Council. But France also has the influence to keep Germany and other European countries going along with the same policy.
(2) As reported by Today’s Zaman newspaper in Turkey, the foreign ministry of Turkey is advising the Syrian National Council in Turkey to “to work in a peaceful manner for democratic transformation in Syria”. Turkey’s foreign ministry is also saying that it will not recognize the Syrian National Council as representative of anything, at least not any time soon.
(3) The USA position was summarized as follows by USA Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford in an interview with “Time Magazine” published on 28 Sep 2011: “One of the things we’ve told the opposition is that they should not think we are going to treat Syria the same way we treated Libya. The main thing for the opposition to do is figure out how to win away support from the regime, and not look to outsiders to try and solve the problem. This is a Syrian problem and it needs Syrian solutions….” Ford is strongly advising the opposition against a turn to arms. “It would be a mistake,” he says, not least because “you want to be sure that if you’re even contemplating this, you have a way to know that whatever you’re going to do militarily is going to be effective … I very frankly say to people, you don’t have enough force to fight the Syrian army, you’re not even close. We have to be realistic.” Other USA officials have said much the same thing during the past few weeks. (US foreign ministry spokesman Jeffrey Feltman said on Al-Arabiya TV yesterday “We are looking for better ways to protect Syrian civilians, but we do not look here to apply the Libyan model in Syria” — http://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria?sk=wall )
(4) The Arab League has said repeatedly recently that it is opposed to foreign intervention in Syria. At the Arab League meeting in Cairo on 16 Oct, as reported later by Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, three measures against Syria were considered and rejected: foreign military intervention, the imposition of trade sanctions, and freezing Syria’s membership in the Arab League. Arab League countries who rejected those measures included Egypt, Algeria, Iraq, Oman, Lebanon, Yemen, Sudan, and Syria.
(5) Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah in interview on Al-Manar (#156) said the Syrian people support President Bashar Al-Assad’s regime, but if the people start opposing the regime, we [Hezbollah] will support the people. Think about that.

Why did Turkish economy prosper while the Middle East fell behind?
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=why-did-turkish-economy-prosper-while-the-middle-east-fell-behind-2011-10-25

The special meeting on “Economic Growth and Job Creation in the Arab World” of the World Economic Forum (WEF) at Dead Sea, Jordan that I attended over the weekend showed me once more how Turkey was shining like a “star” in the region.

The focus was on the Arab Spring that affected such countries as Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and the probability of the phenomenon to spring to other countries in the Middle East and the Gulf starting from Syria. However, the giant economic troubles of the region are thus standing there.

I am counting some of them: Unemployment among the youth rising up to 40 percent, the minimal share of the private sector, bribery and corruption, lack of accountability and transparency, no presence of women in business life and, most importantly, powerlessness of institutions.

Coca Cola’s CEO Muhtar Kent, co-chair and speaker at the WEF meeting, gave truly striking figures for the rich Gulf countries. The volume of the private sector in Gulf countries is 15 percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) because everything is under the control of the ruling families, just like the Libya of Gadhafi.

There is no atmosphere for Small and Medium-sized Enterprises (SMEs) and entrepreneurship, in short the private sector, to flourish. As Kent says, jobs should be created for 85 million people in the region in coming years.

Let us leave aside this picture I summarized in a nutshell and move on to the evaluation of Professor Timur Kuran from Duke University, whom I met at the WEF meeting at the Dead Sea. Economist Kuran, the author of books “The Economic Predicaments of Islamism” and “The Long Divergence: How Islamic Law Held Back the Middle East,” said: “If Turkey has an economic power in the region, the roots of this were planted in the 19th century. The Middle East lagged behind because it did not change its Islamic Law system. I am always saying that. Turkey is one to three generations ahead of Arab countries because it has achieved the modernization of its legal system.”

The first secular commercial courts were formed in the 1850s in the Ottoman Empire. Professor Kuran said: “If the achievements of the Anatolian Tigers of the conservative segment are being spoken, this is because they have been using modern tools from accounting system to competition laws.”

Doesn’t it show how correct Kuran’s evaluations are when you compare the dynamism of the Turkish economy with countries of the region?

I will not go very far. I will give two examples again from the weekend’s forum. While talking with members of the Libya National Transitional Council, names of Turkish companies that have undertaken contracts worth billions of dollars came up.

The airport runway that was heavily damaged during clashes at the capital Tripoli will be repaired by TAV which, as a consortium, had also undertaken the building of its terminal. TAV construction work had stopped because of clashes, but it is highly probable that the construction will restart in the first quarter of 2012.

The second example is from Dubai. A young Turkish businessman, Arda Tokba?, attended the WEF meeting. He has been heading a company named HDF in Dubai for 10 years. HDF, which has one of the most well-known brands in Turkey, P?nar, under its umbrella, belongs to the Ya?ar Group and is growing at a rate of 20 percent each year by exporting dairy products to neighboring countries. Tokba? said some cheese products such as labne (mild cream cheese) were market leaders.

Who can stand against the Turkish entrepreneur in the region?

How can any decent human being not support the revolutionize.?  Where is your humanity people? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8849505/British-filmmaker-speaks-of-torture-in-Syrian-jail.html

“You hear a sound that you’ve never heard before. I’ve never heard before.
“And I’ve seen people dead. And I’ve seen people dying. And I’ve seen people decapitated, but this sound hearing a man cry, is just like, awful, there’s nothing to compare it with.”

Bronco

I do not see stigmata of personality disorder in need for treatment.  I think the retarded giggles are much more indicative of mental disorder.  

Terra Incognita: Robert Ford’s heroic diplomacy
By SETH J. FRANTZMAN 
10/25/2011 23:09

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=243169 

US envoy to Syria’s personal investigation of abuses and his shows of support for protestors is a welcome sign.

The American decision to withdraw Ambassador Robert Stephen Ford from Syria should raise eyebrows, not only because it represents a fundamental fear for his safety, but also because of what he has come to represent.

Through Ford’s courageous use of personal diplomacy, travelling to the most dangerous areas of Syria to show support for the protestors, he has carved out a niche for himself in the region, defying stereotypes about what diplomats can and should do.

On the face of it the ambassador’s position and biography don’t necessarily lend themselves to this type of action. A career diplomat , Mr. Ford, born in Denver, Colorado in 1958, is considered one of the foremost Arabists in the State Department.

He served in the Peace Corps and obtained a BA and MA from Johns Hopkins University before entering the US foreign service in 1985.

Since 1985 he has been posted throughout the Middle East, most notably in Iraq after the American invasion and in Algeria from 2006 to 2008.

His posting to Syria in late 2010 was considered important because the US had withdrawn its ambassador to Syria in 2005 after the assassination of Rafik Hariri, the Lebanese prime minister.

Ford’s work in Syria has almost all taken place against the backdrop of the “Arab Spring.” During his confirmation hearings with the US Senate, before being posted to Damascus, Ford had promised that “unfiltered straight talk with the Syrian government will be my mission priority.”

It is interesting that through June of 2011 he was in fact criticized for doing little to show support for the protestors that Bashar Assad’s regime was gunning down in the streets. Richard Grenell, writing at the Huffingtonpost.com, asked, “Shouldn’t Ford be calling attention to and showing the violence coming from Assad’s government?” He also thought the US should withdraw its ambassador to protest the crackdown.

In early July, however, Ford made an important and visible statement against the actions of the Syrian regime when he visited Hama with the French ambassador, Eric Chevallier. After his factfinding trip, which brought temporary respite to the besieged protestors in the city, he told media that “the violence that the Syrian government is inflicting on Syrian protesters, from our point of view, is grotesque. It’s abhorrent.”

He also articulated a new type of “muscular” diplomacy: “I don’t particularly care [if Syria is angry], because we have to show our solidarity with peaceful protesters. I’d do it again tomorrow if I had to… I’m going keep moving around the country. I can’t stop.”

Since July, Ford has been active in articulating opposition to the Syrian regime’s methods and showing support for those who oppose Assad. In September he travelled to meet with Hasan Abdel-Azim, an opposition figure. Pro-Assad protestors surrounded the ambassador’s vehicle, pelted him with tomatoes and eggs and temporarily interdicted his motorcade.

Stephen Ford is not the first US diplomat to find himself in harm’s way. One hundred and eleven US diplomats have been murdered or come to a bad end since 1780. Many died in Pakistan as a result of terrorism and most were not of ambassadorial rank.

One of the most famous cases of an American diplomat being murdered while at his post was that of Vice-Consul Robert Imbrie. Imbrie was beaten to death by a mob in Teheran in 1924 after being mistaken for a member of the Bahai faith. Local Islamists had whipped themselves into a rage, convinced that Bahais had poisoned a well .

Cleo Noel, US ambassador to the Sudan, was killed by Palestinian members of Black September in 1973. The US ambassador to Beirut, Frances Meloy, was murdered in 1977. Adolph Dubs, the US ambassador to Afghanistan was killed in 1979 when terrorists tried to kidnap him.

Ford’s departure from Syria is apparently based on credible intelligence that certain elements wanted him to meet a similar end.

The kind of blunt, heroic diplomacy that Ford has come to represent is a departure from the long-standing practice of US State Department functionaries, especially those considered Arabists, of toeing the line when it comes to dictators and human rights abuses.

Especially in the Middle East, US diplomats have been stricken with what is often termed “clientitis”; staying in a country too long and becoming too attached to it, rather than representing US interests.

US ambassadors in Saudi Arabia have been loathe to condemn killings in the Qatif region, in the Gulf states the US representatives do little to speak out on the mass human rights abuses, which amount to slavery, against foreign workers.

In Iraq, where it has just been announced that Iran and Turkey are both cooperating to suppress the Kurds, including incursions into Iraq, the US has remained silent.

There is obviously a question as to what constitutes going beyond the diplomatic mission’s purview, such as meeting with illegal opposition figures. But Mr. Ford’s personal investigation of abuses and his shows of support for protestors is a welcome sign, one that the US State Department might consider repeating in the future.

Memo To: HABIB

RE: From the EU/al-Qaeda/Salafist/Jew/CIA/Saudi Press

A memo from China to Besho:

China, which blocked a U.N. resolution earlier this month that threatened sanctions on Syria, said Tuesday it was also sending an envoy to Syria. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said Beijing wants all parties in Syria to resolve the crisis peacefully.

“We believe the Syrian government should deliver on its reform pledges, respond to the people’s appeals and that all parties should, in a constructive manner, actively participate in the political process,” Jiang told reporters.

Must be a real bummer to see the Chinese waffling on their support for President Pencilneck. Obviously, they see him maybe losing control, like Qaddafi, and they’re hedging their bets. Can the Russians be very far behind?

Stay tuned…

Imad Mustapha fled to Damascus as evidence mounts on his connection with the Spy Sweid!
Mustapha was apparently assigned the task of facilitating Sweid’s mission that was mandated by Jr himself.

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2011/10/25
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=36314

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REvlon
I very much wanted the US to arrest Imad Mustfa,because he was spying,but I guess since he has immunity they can not,he is evil man ,I had arguments with him twice,he is obnoxious person, I have good friends who know him well.He will be one of the pro regime that I support in the post Assad era, to be arrested and tried, I went to the embassy one day and found that he has each syrian name on the computor,and their addresses and his comments,this was not there before he arrived to the embassy.
Imad never helped us ,syrian who oppose the regime,

Tara,
“How can any decent human being not support the revolutionize.?”
People can support any revolution/uprising without the need to lose their humanity and become violence, hate machines or preacher of death and destruction.
Nonviolence is the only answer, there is no need for anybody to die, and there is no need to see blood or support blood to be a revolutionary.
‘Revolution’ doesn’t need to be always violence and painted with blood and fire, every person can be a rebel in anything he/she does without the need to become a killer or a victim.
Ideas, Creativity, Words, Stories, Dialogue, Colours, kindness, Humility are few of the means that people should work on instead of blood, violence and hatred to get support.
In my humble, non-experience, non-political, somehow naive opinion, Logic and Passion are the only two things you need to use to communicate with the majority of people in your mission to get the support for any cause you are calling for and those two things are essentials to win any struggle.
Manipulation, lies, using ideology and propaganda may get you some support but it won’t build anybody a better society, it only spread anger, hate and revenge that doesn’t last long and blind everybody from the ultimate goal, to become a better HUMAN.

A video of a Regime army tank shelling civilian house in Talkalakh; The tank crew celebrated their artillary hit and destruction with joy!
Notice the lack of any firing back!

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Horan in defiance; Demonstratroes challaenge Asad army and security forces.
Notice that the Asad forces do not feel threatened and are not taking defensive positions; No challenging armed terrorists.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3BfwKqbFls&feature=player_embedded#!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNZISB8BQ4&feature=player_embedded

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Day 7 of Horan Strike
Video of business districts of Dar3a, Al7arra, and KafrShams

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e38RRRjqTAc&feature=player_embedded

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl3xoRLdR28&feature=player_embedded

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Haitham Khouri,Tara,

Those who ignore facts and call it fabrications, had lost their humanity. The moment they aligned themselves with a thuggish mafia.

Every single Syrian knows what takes place in these dungeons. We do not need film-maker Sean McAllister detailed account of what he saw and heard during his brief detention. There was not one family in Syria who did not have a relative or a distance relative, or a friend that did not pass through these dungeons. Many perished, those who survived, have either fled, all are living with distress.

Those who allow such kind of injustices to take place under their watchful eyes, will not go quietly.

Accelerating inevitable Israeli-Libyan relations
By MATTHEW MAINEN
10/25/2011 06:07

Libya and Qatar could serve as Israel’s real entry point into the Middle East.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=243069

The death of Muammar Gadaffi is yet another sign that Libya and Israel could establish diplomatic relations. Last summer, Bernard Henry Levi accidentally leaked the National Transitional Council’s desire to establish ties. Then Raphael Luzon, the leader of the exiled Libyan Jewish community (and an Israeli citizen) was invited by NTC chairman Mustafa Abdul Jalil to run for office. Most recently, Haaretz quoted an NTC spokesperson, Ahmad Shabani, as speaking favorably about Israel- Libyan relations.

Shabani’s decision to speak to Haaretz was most likely a calculated move by the NTC to gauge Arab public opinion, as that newspaper is widely read throughout the region. There was no protest in the Arab world.

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Sound of silence over Syria

Tuesday, October 25, 2011
Serkan Demirta? –

In addition to these points, there is growing concern among some Turkish officials that either Syria or a third party that wants to create further tension between Ankara and Damascus might have been behind the recent attack. The growing influence of Syrian nationals within the PKK and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s statements are the factors that most clearly point to this connection. Ankara’s silence on such claims is expected to be broken in the coming days when the prime minister makes his much-expected statement on Syria, most probably before U.S. top diplomat Hillary Clinton arrives in Turkey on Nov. 1.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=sound-of-silence-over-syria-2011-10-25

N.Z.
I agree with you,those who call this revolution as violent ,they do not tell the truth, they are despicable criminals supporting criminal regime, worst is the fact that they acknoledged that the regime is brutal yet they still support the regime.and call themselves educated, what a waste.

Election in Tunis proved
1) the people paricipated close to 80%, they are eager to prsctice freedom and democracy.
2) the Ben ALi previous election where the president get99% is false, and it is false that Bashar got 99% of the people support.
3)the revolution was correct,and the lies that scared the people before the revolution are just lies,to scare the people.

I salute Tunis for their great election

By the way, I forgot to thank Dr. Landis for this article, it was like a breath of fresh air after the 3 months of un-objective and biased articles from him. If Dr. Landis continues to be objective like this, this blog will see a lot of sane and clamer voices. Landis should not let his Sunni-phobia get the better of him.

Has anyone heard from Syrian Commando lately ? What is the bastard upto nowadays ?

I wonder what Oglu is planning for the coming days that he is doing a tour in Qatar and Jordan…nothing good can come out of that, Turkey-Qatar-Jordan.

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Memo To: JAD

RE: “…In my humble, non-experience, non-political, somehow naive opinion, Logic and Passion are the only two things you need to use to communicate with the majority of people…”

Sweet Baby Jesus, Jaddy, you have got to be the sorriest excuse for a revolutionary in the known universe. Someone should turn you upside down and shake the Besho Bribe Money out of your pockets…

Robert Fisk: Assad’s army remains defiant as it buries its dead
Syrian officers told me 1,150 soldiers have been killed in Syria in the past seven months – an extraordinary death toll

Robert Fisk
Wednesday, 26 October 2011

Sergeant Jassem Abdul-Raheem Shehadi and Private Ahmed Khalaf Adalli of the Syrian Army were sent to their graves yesterday with the send-off their families would have wished for; coffins draped with the Syrian flag, trumpets and drums and wreaths held by their comrades, and the presence of their commanding officer. There was a Last Post, Chopin’s funeral march – mixed with ululating staff at the Tishreen Hospital to which their remains had been transferred – and then the nine-hour journey by ambulance to their hometown, Raka. Shehadi was 19, Adalli was 20. And their uncles swore they had died for President Bashar al-Assad.

They were shot dead in Deraa – by snipers, according to their commanding officer, Major Walid Hatim. “By terrorists,” he said several times. Assad’s opponents might have no sympathy with these dead soldiers – nor Amnesty, nor Human Rights Watch, nor the United Nations, who say 3,000 civilians have been killed by Syrian security forces, nor the Americans, nor the British et al – but those two coffins suggested that there is more than one story to the Syrian Revolution. Syrian officers told me yesterday that 1,150 soldiers have been killed in Syria in the past seven months, an extraordinary death toll for regular Syrian troops if correct. On Zawi mountain near Idlib, Major Hatim said, 30 Syrian soldiers had been killed in an ambush. Mazjera was the word he used. A massacre.

Shehadi and Adalli were based in Deraa, where the opposition to Assad began. Shehadi was there for six months, Adalli for four. It was a sign of the times that Major Hatim arrived at the Damascus funeral in civilian clothes. Why was he not wearing his uniform, I asked? “It is easier,” he replied. Because of the dangers driving from Deraa? “Maybe,” he replied. That, too, told its own story. Both the dead soldiers had lost their fathers years ago and their two uncles had travelled here from Raka to escort the bodies home. They were from poor families, they said. The boys and their uncles had been looking after their mothers.

Shehadi’s uncle, Salim Abdullah, in a brown abaya and drawing heavily on a cigarette, was on the edge of tears. “My nephew had three brothers and two sisters, and they are very poor,” he said. “His mother Arash will now have to be looked after by us. Those killers have killed the hope of our family. He was the youngest boy.”

Behind Salim Shehadi, Syrian troops stood in full battledress as the coffins were brought from the hospital mortuary. All Syria’s military dead leave from the gloomy portals of the Tishreen Hospital, a vast concrete building in the suburbs of Damascus. Even the ambulance driver prostrated himself in tears over his vehicle.

Syrian television had a crew at the hospital, along with the ever loyal Syrian Arab News Agency, but it was highly unusual for a foreign reporter to be invited to this ceremony, let alone to speak to Syrian officers. Major Hatim explained to me that the two soldiers were killed in a planned ambush; the sniper was firing from between two houses. There was a strange confluence in this description. Opponents of Assad often claim that it is they that are fired on by snipers using the cover of buildings.

But few people in Syria now doubt that, however peaceful – and yet bloody – the anti-government demonstrations in Homs and Hama are, the Syrian Army has become a major target. Needless to say, Major Hatim, a 25-year army veteran, was also a supporter of the President.

Hatim talked of Syria’s “resistance” on the part of the Palestinians, that soldiers sometimes had to die for their country, that their enemy is Israel. There is much talk in Damascus of a “foreign hand” behind the killings in Syria, although the Major admitted that, in this case, “unfortunately the killers are Syrian”.

But Salim Shehadi wanted to say more. “I hope you will be honest and tell the truth,” he said. “Tell the truth about the killing of Syrian people. The hand of terrorists took my nephew. We are all ready to be martyred for Syria and for our President Assad.” It sounded too pat, this little speech from a grieving man, and a reporter must ask if this was a set-up. Yet the military had only four minutes before I arrived for the funeral, and I doubt if they could have coaxed this poor man to say these words.

Perhaps, up in distant Raka, they believe these words of loyalty – Abdullah Hilmi, Adalli’s uncle, an older man in a brown robe, said much the same – and certainly Major Hatim believed what he said. But what of those YouTube pictures, of the shooting of demonstrators and mourners at funerals – no danger of that at this funeral yesterday – and the 3,000 civilian dead of which the UN now talks?

I suppose that, until we Western journalists can investigate without government restrictions, it’s a YouTube picture against the word of two poor men in peasants’ clothes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-assads-army-remains-defiant-as-it-buries-its-dead-2375963.html

Syrian student from Banias has something to say :

The FSA is killing the soldoers, YES, Syrian Army IS a major target, and it should be.

Syrian student from Banias has something to say, :-

Every now and then on SC, some people are trying to depict Turkey as a success story.
Everybody who know a little Turkey knows that businessmen and mafiosis are often hard to distinguish. It’s all in their films too.
Of course, there has been a tourism boom, thanks to the cheap package tours, but with the crisis this is not going to survive because European workers have to cancel their holidays and raising prices do not allow any to offer the same cheap prices.
Also, without the Turks emigrated in the EU (and especially Germany) who had been sending millions and investing, this miracle would not have occured.
I believe many in Turkey are afraid Erdogan will turn down Ataturk’s laws on laicity and bring Turkey closer to the Gulf standards of backwardness.

The Islamsists won the election in Tunisia, lest just hope the authoroties don;t act stupid and launch a coup or delacre the results null and void, the way Algerian authorities did in 1991 and Turkish autorities did in 1998. The Arab secular middle and professional classes must get rid of their absurd fear of Islamists and stop using the Army to keep them out of power.

Also, expect Islamists to win hands-down in Libya and Egypt ( in Egypt the authorities are colluding with Salaffis). Also Shia Islamists will win IF the revolution succeeds in Bahrain, and so will Syria.

The credibility of Islamists is quite high among the general Arab populace ( this is what Ghalioun repeatedly says as well), and that of Leftists/Communists is quite low.

Good News for the Besho Boys (and girls) on SC:

In a wide-ranging television interview that stretched late into Monday night, Hassan Nasrallah, Hizbollah’s secretary general, said that the regime of President Bashar al Assad had weathered the worst of the crisis.

“Is Syria out of danger? We can say, to a very large extent, yes,” Mr Nasrallah said…

Having failed to lend support to or rescue his buddy Qiddafi, Jr is desparately trying to save his last; Saleh.

Pro-Yemeni Revolution Army: Eight Syrian mercenry pilots were killed and three were wounded as their Antonove air plan crashed in AlSbai7a, Yemen.

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The Syrian independance flag is increasingly replacing he Baath era one in demonstrations; Interestingly, its colors resemble those of the recently liberated Libya’s.

(Ya Ahel Tartous,
Ni7na bi7omos,
3alAsd mindoos.)

Video of a nightly demonstration in Wa3r neighbourhood,in support of the ongoing city-wide civil strike.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z66J2IPO7Zc&feature=player_embedded
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Martyr Luay AlAmer was arrested by Asad forces, tortured and his body returned to his family.

The video shows the victim being sticked and stamped on by Asad forces and later as a body with marks of torture all over his body.

AlFatiha upon his soul,
May God bless his family with solace and empower them with patience.

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The SNC has succeeded to largely unite the opposition in exile.
However, and in spite of the unanimous and spontaneous mandate given by demonstrators to lead the way to liberate Syria, the SNC as a body, members, and a president have failed to reciprocate in both making an impact on the ground and in assuming a visible leadership role.

Mr Haytham AlMaleh has been filling the void in the Revolution leadership.

He has been the only prominent opposition leader in exile to look the nation in the eye and to frequently offer guidance, encouragement, and inspiration.

He is a savvy activist, an experienced human rights lawyer, a good communicator, a pragmatist and a no nonsense debater.

His views and agenda for effecting change most closely echo those of the Revolution on the ground.

The following video is a promo featuring Mr AlMaleh encouraging and guiding country mates to enter the next phase of the Revolution; Civil disobedience

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https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=12510&cp=6#comment-280304

Syrian pilots,sent to Yemen to help Ali Saleh,they were killed in a suicidal act.
Syrian pilots were sent to Libya in the past to help Gaddafi and two died.
The syrian regime is trying hard to keep Saleh in power, Bashar and Saleh are the only two left.

291. jad said:

Robert Fisk: Assad’s army remains defiant as it buries its dead
Syrian officers told me 1,150 soldiers have been killed in Syria in the past seven months
….
Syrian television had a crew at the hospital, along with the ever loyal Syrian Arab News Agency, but it was highly unusual for a foreign reporter to be invited to this ceremony, let alone to speak to Syrian officers.
….
REALITY

Foreign reporters from the Free Press are not asking to go to the Tishreen Hospital just across their Sheraton Hotel , they don’t need to be invited ; they just prefer to ask for a visit to the place where the protesters have been gathering last Friday for 5 minutes and watch and copy “juicy” fake videos on Youtube .

Certainly, Robert Fisk cannot say that in his “article” in the Independent if he does not want its comments to be banned from the UK website.

Syrian military personnel in foreign countries

REALITY

Two Syrian Officers Martyred in Terrorist Attack in Cherchell, Algeria

Aug 29, 2011

DAMASCUS, (SANA)- Two officers from the Syrian Armed Forces were martyred in a terrorist attack which targeted the Military Academy in the Algerian city Cherchell on Saturday, a military source said on Sunday.

The two officers were attending a military training course at the above-mentioned Academy when it came under a terrorist attack which claimed the lives of a number of military members and injured others, the source pointed out.

299. Revlon said:

The Syrian independance flag is increasingly replacing he Baath era one in demonstrations; Interestingly, its colors resemble those of the recently liberated Libya’s.

REALITY

Interestedly , the red color band in the Syrian flag is replaced by a green one , the color of the Saudi flag.

Withdrawing the american ambassador from damascus,is for vague reason,US said it is done for safety of Mr Ford,I do not think he was in real danger,I think there is more to the story than this,specially he left so quickly and suddenly.

This time “packed’ on the largest square in Damascus: Omayyad Square

Syrians rally for Assad before Arab mission visit
By ZEINA KARAM – Associated Press | AP
26 October 20111
BEIRUT (AP) — Tens of thousands of Syrians packed a Damascus square Wednesday in a show of support for embattled President Bashar Assad, a few hours ahead of a visit by senior Arab officials trying to start a dialogue between the regime and the opposition.

The Arab ministerial committee led by Qatar’s prime minister was expected to arrive later in the day, but prospects for the mission’s success were dim in light of the opposition’s refusal to talk to the Syrian leadership.

The visit follows a meeting in Cairo last week by the 22-nation Arab League, which gave Syria until the end of the month to end military operations, release detainees arrested in the crackdown, and start a dialogue with the opposition.

Syria’s opposition refuses any dialogue with the regime, particularly while it continues its military crackdown on protesters, which the U.N. says has killed 3,000 people since the uprising against Assad erupted in March.

Bassma Kodmani, spokeswoman for the broad-based opposition group, the Syrian National Council, said it is “impossible” to talk about a dialogue within the current security crackdown.

“And even if the right conditions for dialogue prevail, the only thing to discuss would be a roadmap for the peaceful transfer of power,” she told The Associated Press.

Paris-based Kodmani echoed the feelings of Syrian anti-government protesters, many of whom expressed disappointment with the Arab League and called for suspending Syria’s membership.

“Russia gives Bashar international protection, Iran gives him weapons, and Arabs give him time,” read a banner carried by protesters in northern Syria Tuesday evening. “No dialogue with the killer of children,” read another.

The SNC had said in a statement Tuesday it was worried that the Arab League’s initiative “did not distinguish between the victim and the executioner.”

It also called for international protection for civilians, and for Arab and international observers to be allowed immediately into Syria to monitor the situation.

Human Rights Watch also called on the Arab ministers to demand that the government allow independent, civilian monitors into Syria to observe the behavior of security forces.

“Such monitoring would be an essential step to end the violence in Syria and restore a climate of trust,” the New York-based group said in a statement Wednesday.

Tens of thousands of Syrians carrying white, red and black flags and posters of Assad gathered at Damascus’ Omayyad square in a rally timed to coincide with the Arab ministers’ visit.

The opposition says authorities regularly stage massive rallies in support of the embattled leader even as his regime becomes increasingly isolated.

Assad, however, still has significant support among many Syrians, including those who benefited financially from the regime, minority groups who fear they will be targeted if the Sunni majority takes over and others who see no clear and safe alternative to the president. He also still has the loyalty of the bulk of the armed forces, key to his remaining in power.

Damascus appears to have grudgingly agreed to the Arab mission even though it refuses to have outsiders interfere in what it considers its internal affairs. Qatar, in particular, has been critical of the Assad regime’s crackdown.

Gulf countries seeking to suspend Syria’s membership in the Arab League because of its bloody crackdown on protesters failed to gain enough support for the move at the Oct. 16 meeting in Cairo.

Human Rights Watch also quoted Syrian activists as saying at least 186 protesters and residents have been killed in Syria since the Cairo meeting.

The Syrian government has staunchly defended its crackdown on protesters, saying it is the target of a foreign conspiracy.

On Wednesday, it issued a rare rebuttal to a recent report by Amnesty International that accused security forces and medical personnel of torturing wounded protesters at state-run hospitals. A statement issued by the Syrian Health Ministry said the Amnesty report was “full of fallacies and fabrications.”

The accusation that Syria is targeting doctors and raiding hospitals in search of wounded protesters has been made before by leading international human rights groups.

http://news.yahoo.com/syrians-rally-assad-arab-mission-visit-111744535.html

#307 MajedAlKhaldoon

Ford recalled:

As I said it before, the US is probably changing its strategy in Syria, in the wake of the Arab League initiative, the failure of the SNC and the immense regional changes( Libya, US withdrawal from Iraq, Turisk Kurdish uprisings etc..)

I believe Ford was recalled to be told that Syria should become peaceful at any cost, even keeping Bashar Al Assad in power until next election..

What happened to “the massive nationwide strike” called by the SNC?

Documentary Film

Military escalation before the Arab League visit to Syria

Instead of Ghaddafi, NATO leaders may end up in the International Criminal Court for homicide.

Kadhafi family to file NATO war crimes complaint
http://news.yahoo.com/kadhafi-family-file-nato-war-crimes-complaint-112511946.html
Moamer Kadhafi’s family plans to file a war crimes complaint against NATO with the International Criminal Court (ICC) for the alliance’s alleged role in his death, the family’s lawyer said Wednesday.

Marcel Ceccaldi, a French lawyer who previously worked for Kadhafi’s regime and now represents his family, told AFP that a complaint would be filed with the Hague-based ICC because NATO’s attack on the convoy led directly to his death.

“The wilful killing (of someone protected by the Geneva Convention) is defined as a war crime by Article 8 of the ICC’s Rome Statute,” he said.
(…)

SNC legitimacy and popularity test: Any ‘massive ‘response observed?

“The Syrian National Council, an umbrella group bringing together Assad’s opponents, hailed the call for a general strike as “the first step towards civil disobedience that will bring down the regime,” in a statement.”
“We will not accept anything less than Bashar al-Assad’s resignation and his trial,” they said.

Syria is in danger
the regime supporters say dialogue is the answer, then why are they supporting brutal and military suppression of the people?if they want dialogue they must stop the killing ,arrest and torture of peaceful protest.

301. This the correct link to the revolution promo cited on top.
Apologies!

#312
According to “activists and residents”, towns and rural areas around Homs and Idlib are reported to have followed the call for the “massive nationwide strike”.
Any confirmation for Homs center and other cities or towns?

Homs, northwest Syria strike to protest crackdown
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=27085
26/10/2011

AMMAN, (Reuters) – People in the city of Homs and nearby areas of northwest Syria staged a general strike on Wednesday over President Bashar al-Assad’s intensifying military crackdown on protesters, and two were killed in one town, activists and residents said.

They said most employees stayed home and most shops closed in the city of one million, and the strike was observed in wide swathes of the countryside around Homs and cities and towns in the northwestern province of Idlib near Turkey.

“Public employees participated for the first time. A few food shops have remained open,’ said a resident of Homs, who gave his name as Omar. Youtube footage showed shuttered shops on both sides of a main street in the nearby rural region of Houla.

Two protesters were reported killed in the Idlib town of Maarat al-Numaan on the Damascus-Aleppo highway, where businesses had shut down, anti-Assad activists said.

“Everyone closed shop and a crowd of thousands assembled near the mosaics museum in the centre of the town, where they came under fire. The AMN (security police) are still firing at random to break the strike,” a local resident said.

He was speaking by phone. The sound of machinegun fire was heard in the background.

Last week, businesses closed in the southern province of Deraa, which borders Jordan, in signs of expanding civil disobedience against 41 years of Assad family rule. The popular revolt is now in its eighth month.

“There is total closure. The streets of Deraa are empty, even the few butcher shops and pharmacies that were open are now closed,” said Jasem Masalmeh, a resident of Deraa town.

Pro-Assad rallies should not mean anything to any one. It is rent-a-crowd Inc business that can provide you with any volume of crowd for whatever purpose, including birthday celebration. Please do not feel excited about. NothinG exciting about “bought love”.

MIAS Phalange of the Free Syrian army engaged with Asad Shabbeeha who tried to spoil the ongoing civil strike in Darayya, Damascus Governorate.
Compliance rate with the call for strike in Darayya was 90%

http://www.facebook.com/Youth.Syria.Freedom

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Bronco,
Hama: this report is saying that people where forced to stay home using intimidation and explosives against schools and the main market areas to scare people:
Homs: still a battle field with death in every corner

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General strike: Saif Addouleh street, City of Aleppo.
26\10\2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Rw1Y6WQ4c

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Not only healthworkers are partaking in Sahbbeeha atrocities, journalists and exjournalists also are; No wonder why regime news networks’ correspondants have balways been on top of events and able to quickly provide the reverse of the facts!

http://all4syria.info/web/archives/33535
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Tens of thousands of Syrians rally in support of Assad ahead of Arab

2011-10-26

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-10/26/c_131214270.htm

DAMASCUS, Oct. 26 (Xinhua) — Tens of thousands of Syrians rallied Wednesday in support for President Bashar al-Assad hours before the arrival of an Arab League (AL) ministerial delegation that aimed at finding ways to end the months-long crisis in the country.

The Umayyad Square in the capital of Damascus and nearby streets were packed with supporters of Assad, who is up against blistering international criticism over his alleged bloody crackdown on protest movement.

The crowds, waving Syrian flags and hoisting posters of Assad, shouted slogans such as “God, Syria and only Bashar,” while others carried banners, some of which read “Yes to the process of reforms launched by President Assad.”

Syrians took to streets to demonstrate solidarity with Assad in the face of the criticize by the United States against our people, Dr. Jamal Abbas, a professor in the Faculty of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering in Damascus, told Xinhua.

Muna Masri, a housewife told Xinhua during the event that “we came here out of love for our president and nobody coerced us demonstrating.”

“My son is in the military … The Libyan scenario will not occur here, we feel sorry for what the president is going through, we are with him till death,” Masri said while choking back her tears.

The rally came hours ahead of the arrival of the AL ministerial delegation, combining foreign ministers of Qatar, Egypt, Oman, Algeria, Sudan and the AL chief Nabil Arabi.

The delegation would hold a single meeting on Wednesday afternoon with Assad amid speculations that it would propose an Arab initiative to help put an end to the crisis in Syria through initiating dialogue between the regime and the Syrian opposition.

Gulf countries who were working to suspend Syria’s membership in the AL failed to gain enough supports during an AL meeting held in Cairo on Oct. 16.

They then decided to give Syria a 15-day deadline to enact a cease-fire and to form a ministerial committee to participate in Syria’s national dialogue.

The Syrian National Council, recently formed by Syrian opposition in Istanbul, urged the Syrians nationwide to observe a general strike on Wednesday to express rejection of the regime’s violent assaults on protesters across Syria that, according to the UN, have claimed the lives of more than 3,000 people including military personnel.

Al-Watan newspaper said Wednesday that Syrian authorities seized in the central province of Homs leaflets instigating youths to stage a general strike.

The United States and its European allies have slapped sets of sanctions on senior Syrian officials and entities while calling on Assad to step down.

The latest move by the United States was pulling its ambassador from Syria due to “credible threats against his personal safety in Syria,” according to a statement issued by the U.S. State Department. In response, Syria recalled its ambassador to the U.S. for consultations.

Assad to preside over national dialogue conference – 2011-10-24

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-10/24/c_131209914.htm

DAMASCUS, Oct. 24 (Xinhua) — Preparations have started for convening a national conference presided by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to discuss ways of finding an outlet for the months-long crisis the country is going through, the private al- Watan newspaper said Monday.

A preparatory committee chaired by Syrian Vice-President Farouk al-Sharaa would be formed soon to make preparations for an expanded national dialogue conference, said the paper.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem has recently said that a presidential decree would be issued soon to form a preparatory committee grouping all spectra of Syrian people and national opposition figures.

The announcement came in the wake of calls by two moderate opposition parties on the Syrian government to speed up reforms, warning that some Arab and international sides are pushing towards military intervention in Syria.

The Popular Front for Liberation and Change and the National Democratic Initiative warned in two separate statements against the aggravation of the situation in the country given the slow pace of reforms.

The Popular Front urged other opposition parties to get engaged in the dialogue.

Syria has been plagued by unrest since mid-March when protests against Assad’s government erupted. More than 3,000 people including army and security members have been killed in the turmoil, according to figures released by the United Nations.

U.S. Senator John McCain said Sunday”now that military operations in Libya are ending, there will be renewed focus on what practical military operations might be considered to protect civilian lives in Syria.”

He made the remarks during the World Economic Forum in Jordan. However, the vast majority of the Syrian opposition has repeatedly dismissed the idea, while the U.S. administration also ruled out such ideas.

Horrific video little girl Katherine Khabour, shot in the head and killed by security forces in Homs

Syrian Human Rights Network Denounces the Amnesty International’s Baseless Statements about Syria

Oct 26, 2011

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/10/26/378025.htm

DAMASCUS, (SANA)- The Syrian Human Rights Network denounced the Amnesty International’s continuation to issue statements that are not based on real grounds and which lack credibility and distort facts regarding the situation in Syria.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, the Network said this distortion was evident in the organization’s earlier report on the situation in the Syrian prisons “which had been contradictory with the reality and completely untrue and was refuted by the monitoring committee at the Network.”

The statement stressed that the Amnesty International can not name any single prisoner who allegedly could have died under torture in the Syrian jails over the period of the events Syria is undergoing.

The statement cited the story of Zainab al-Hasni whom the organization had claimed she was abducted, killed and burned at the hands of the security personnel, and who later appeared on the Syrian TV well and sound and belied the false news about her death.

The Network dismissed as “totally untrue” the organization’s allegations about the situation in the Syrian hospitals which claimed that abuse practices and cases of abduction of patients took place in some of them, noting that the field visits it has made to the national hospitals and the interviews it had with Syrian and Arab patients refuted these allegations.

It called upon the Amnesty International and the human rights organizations to commit to objectivity and neutrality when writing reports and issuing statements so that they comply with the work mechanisms of human rights bodies called for by the international legitimacy and the International Declaration of Human Rights.

On Tuesday, the Ministry of Health issued a statement in which it refuted the allegations of the Amnesty International on patients undergoing abuse practices at the national hospitals in the cities of Homs and Baniyas as “untrue and full of contradictions and fabrications”.

The Ministry confirmed that till date no complaints of any assaults or any form of abuse practices committed by medical cadres or health staff against patients have been reported to the Ministry by any of the patients or of their relatives.

The Ministry denounced such allegations “which aim to distort the reputation of the Syrian health sector and create a state of lack of confidence in the national hospitals to serve biased purposes.”

The statement said that the Amnesty International’s report contradicted itself referring to abuses against patients at a private hospital, while at the same time highlighting the people’s fear to go to government hospitals and preferring to go to private hospitals.

The Ministry referred to the huge human and material losses the health sector has suffered due to the attacks launched by the armed terrorist and sabotage groups against doctors and medical cadres while performing their national duty in transporting injured people to hospitals.

It also cited the abduction of doctors and the sabotaging of several health establishments.

The Ministry said these attacks caused the martyrdom and the injury of dozens of high profile doctors and the damage of 60 ambulance cars and some parts of public hospitals which were burned by terrorists.

Calender of Freedom
A series of innovative, peaceful means of activism to futher the cause of freedom.
It is periodically updated as new ventures arise.

Tha latest two were:
– Activists in Damascus launched an attack on the Republican palace at 1:00 am using a stong laser beam.
– Other activists managed to hang a carton made model of B Asad on Kafr Souseh Bridge!

http://the-syrian.com/archives/49396

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Amnesty International is a pro `israel organization

Waching the child, Katryn Khabour shot is heartbreaking,was she posing any danger to Bashar, the killer of children,did he not think about his own kids,what a crime! be happy bronco,Ann, Habib and the rest of this gang,sleep well tonight, you will see this kid in your dreams,this blood could be one day one of your own kids.

Sources: Colonel Harmoush was executed on Sunday, 23/10/2011 in the presence of Maher AlAsad.
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BBC Arab spring coverage to be examined for impartiality

Wednesday 26 October 2011

Review for BBC Trust will look at reporting of events in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Syria and Yemen

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/oct/26/bbc-arab-spring-coverage-impartiality?newsfeed=true

The impartiality of the BBC’s coverage of the Arab spring is to be examined by the former UN director of communications, Edward Mortimer, in an independent review for the BBC Trust.

The trust’s review will look at the BBC’s coverage of events in Tunisia and will then focus in particular on reporting of events in Egypt, Libya, Bahrain, Syria and Yemen.

Pro-democracy rebellions erupted across north Africa and the Middle East after a young Tunisian man set fire to himself in December 2010.

All coverage on BBC national TV and radio, online and from its World News operation will be examined and a report will be published in the autumn of 2012.

The review will be led by Mortimer, who is senior vice-president of the Salzburg Global Seminar and a Middle East affairs expert.

It will be the fourth examination of the corporation’s impartiality. Previously the trust has looked at BBC business coverage, its news and current affairs reporting of the four UK nations and the “impartiality and accuracy” of its science coverage.

Alison Hastings, BBC trustee and chair of the trust’s editorial standards committee, said: “The events that came to be known as the Arab spring were extremely fast-moving and complex. That makes it a difficult story to cover.

“The challenge for the BBC, as with all controversial areas, is to ensure that it maintains the high standards of impartiality and accuracy that audiences expect, both in the UK and around the world, where many rely on the BBC’s international news services.”

BBC coverage of the region is a delicate subject, as its Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen has previously highlighted.

In 2010 he attacked a BBC Trust ruling that found him guilty of inaccuracies in a report about Israel, saying: “As Middle East editor for the BBC, I’m under pressure from lobbyists. I am recognised by my peers as also being able to stick to my guns.”

He said he was attacked from all sides relentlessly, adding, “the BBC Trust, wrongly in my view, found me guilty of some inaccuracies, because of [complaints from] a campaign group in the USA, and in this country, who are the enemies of impartiality. They got through to the BBC Trust. I was found guilty.”

*** FROM THE BBC THE VOICE OF AL QAEDA ISLAMIST TERRORISTS IN SYRIA
*** 100,000s OF SYRIANS MARCHING IN SUPPORT OF THEIR GOVERNMENT
*** ARE REPORTED AS A GENERAL STRIKE IN THE COUNTRY! CHECKOUT
*** THE PICTURE SHOWING 6 PEOPLE ONLY RALLYING FOR THE GOV.

Syria opposition strikes as Arab League holds talks – 26 October 2011

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15465855

*** THE PICTURE SHOWING 6 PEOPLE ONLY RALLYING FOR THE GOV.

Actually they were only 5 people in the rally 🙂

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Habib,

Most non-Syrian Arab support the Syrian revolution.  Assad’s support is dwindling among Lebanese Shiaa!  While some minorities in Syria support Bashar out of minorities’ complex disorder, I find it extremely difficult to excuse non-Syrians of their support to Assad especially the Iraqi Shiaa.  There must be a deep seated hatred to explain some of this support.  It really is shame.   

“The overwhelming majority of Arabs in the six nations covered in the survey side with those Syrians demonstrating against the government (from 83% in Morocco to 100% in Jordan). And when asked whether Bashar Al Assad can continue to govern, the highest affirmative ratings he receives are 15% in Morocco and 14% in Egypt.

Most telling is the scant support the Syrian leader receives in Lebanon. From other results … we can see that the Lebanese haven’t stopped giving Hezbollah a net favorable rating and more than one-half of Lebanese Shia have a favorable view of the role played by Iran in Syria. But in questions dealing with the Syrian leader, it is clear that whatever support he might have commanded in the past is now gone.”

 http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/10/arab-world-opinion-turns-overwhelmingly-against-syrias-assad/247335/

Opinion polls and regional media coverage suggest that the anti-Assad protests are widely backed the citizens of Arab countries, and they might even support an intervention — though not one by the West 
 
Foreign ministers at the Arab League headquarters on October 16 to discuss suspending Syria from the Arab League / AP

As atrocities in Syria continue, the question is inevitable: is the international community doing enough? Certainly the Syrian regime is, in analyst-speak, “increasingly isolated,” but what does that actually mean? There have been the usual condemnations of violence. Individuals like the U.N. high commissioner for human rights have called for the international community to protect Syrian civilians. It’s no surprise, of course, that the Western bit of the international community in particular is increasingly irritated, to say the least, with Syrian president Bashar al-Assad. But if you’re really looking to nail down what kind of “isolation” we’re talking about, perhaps the best indicator lies in the attitude of the Arab world.

The big pan-Arab dailies, at least, appear to universally support the anti-Assad protesters. Furthermore, a new public opinion poll out Tuesday suggests this trend extends to ordinary citizens — in other words, this is not a case of media elite-public divide. On the one hand, this seems obvious: even over the summer, an Arab American Institute poll found that while a plurality of respondents in their “Arab Attitudes” survey thought it was “too early” to call the Arab Spring, the second most popular response was that the uprisings were leaving the Arab world “better off.” On the other hand, consider the particulars: many in the Arab world are sensitive to signs of foreign interference, or even foreign judgment and the infiltration of Western values. Many in the Arab world also want leaders who prove themselves against Israel: Assad has unquestionably done that. Neither Israel nor its European and American supporters has been overly fond of the Syrian regime.

But it appears that favorability to the Arab Spring overrides these concerns. An article at the daily Al-Hayat directly addresses some of these issues, for example the fear of foreign interference, also expressed in an article in Al-Quds Al-Arabi (a notably pro-Palestinian and often anti-Western paper). “What if the people rebel and cannot achieve victory?” the author at Al-Hayat asks. “There must be no foreign interference,” runs the refrain. “The problem with this way of thinking,” though, the author continues, referring to the hardliners, is that “first, adherents [to this creed] love strategy and geopolitics and their calculations more than they love the people […] Second, they hate America more than they love the people.” Third, the article continues, somewhat redundantly, this view shows insufficient interest in supporting individual Arab communities.

It’s interesting to see the pro-Palestinian and generally aggressively anti-Western Al-Quds Al-Arabi also siding with the Syrian people. The paper runs one article questioning dictators’ mindsets, another with a Syrian’s recollection of his own disillusionment process, and another flatly stating in the first sentence, “It is not correct for one to ignore the great pain of Syria.” This last article also talks about “the regime of Bashar al-Assad, who repeats the massacres of his father,” comparing those massacres to terrorism. The article argues that the Syrian people “deserve” a chance to build a “modern national democratic Arab state.”

Even those articles concerned with regional stability are quick to express horror at Assad’s actions. The Egyptian Al Ahram, for example, describes “growing fears that Syria will slide into civil war,” but also distastefully refers to the “Syrian regime’s excessive use of force” and “opposition leaders who are being murdered in suspicious transactions.” Asharq Al-Awsat published an article worrying about regional repercussions, as Syria was once the “corner joint in the relationship between Iran and Turkey.” It also dedicates another article almost entirely to expressing skepticism at Assad’s feints at reform.

In addition, New York Times readers might note that the Times’s Anthony Shadid isn’t the only one suggesting Qaddafi’s killing might embolden the Syrian opposition. It’s also a view widely held in the Arabic-language media: “If there were those who thought that the violent repression of demonstrations would keep Arab rulers from Mubarak’s fate,” runs an Al-Quds piece, “the shattered body of Libya’s former governor has shown the alternative to the detention cage.”

All this isn’t to say that the Arab world isn’t still highly skeptical of Western attitudes on the Arab Spring — readers trolling through online articles will come across some pretty aggressive denunciations of NATO’s involvement in Libya. But if you’re looking for proof of the near universality of support for Syria’s protesters, look no further than a report published today by the Arab American Institute.

“The overwhelming majority of Arabs in the six nations covered in the survey side with those Syrians demonstrating against the government (from 83% in Morocco to 100% in Jordan). And when asked whether Bashar Al Assad can continue to govern, the highest affirmative ratings he receives are 15% in Morocco and 14% in Egypt.

Most telling is the scant support the Syrian leader receives in Lebanon. From other results … we can see that the Lebanese haven’t stopped giving Hezbollah a net favorable rating and more than one-half of Lebanese Shia have a favorable view of the role played by Iran in Syria. But in questions dealing with the Syrian leader, it is clear that whatever support he might have commanded in the past is now gone.”

So what does that mean for those who’d like to see the international community intervene to stop the slaughter of the opposition? Actually, the poll addresses this, too, and the message is exactly what you’d expect from reading the Arabic-language media on the subject: 

“Turkey’s interventions with Syria to date have won majority support in every Arab country […] The country receiving the lowest rating for its role in Syria is the United States, which should serve as a cautionary note for U.S. policy-makers. […] Syria appears not to be a place where U.S. interference will ultimately be welcomed.”

Is Syria the place where the countries of the Middle East will finally start policing themselves, calling repressive regimes on their games — at least the worst of them? Hard to know what CIA analysts would say to that right now, but the public opinion and media message is clear: it’s not as far-out a suggestion as you might think.

“Amnesty International is a pro `israel organization”

Oh Really? Then check out this report.

Umayad Square: Generous allowance for side streets and tunnels: 8.6 Hectare. You do your calculation about excessive capacity.

But that is not the issue, This is the issue

Nothing surprises me any more.

332. Tara said:

Most non-Syrian Arab support the Syrian revolution. ……

REALITY
The poll report is there :
http://aai.3cdn.net/63c6ecf052bdccc48f_afm6ii3a7.pdf
by the Arab American Institute Foundation !!!

Any statistician can explain why the methodology of this poll is clearly flawed and biased to obtain the PRE planned results by this “opposition” organization.

Furthermore and not unexpectedly , they did poll people in
Egypt Lebanon Jordan KSA UAE**
but not in Algeria and in Irak.

Egypt, Lebanon, and KSA are good enough samples. Egypt specifically is the cornerstone of what “Arabic” is.

I always liked the Egyptians and I always liked most Lenanese, although some Lebanese are annoying me lately. I think the long lasting Syrian occupation made some of them them more like the primitive occupier (the regime that is). Just see the Lebanese sycophants on TV, fat and ugly with no charm and no sophistication: very not Lebanese.

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Ultimatum SUNDAY

306. majedkhaldoun said:

Withdrawing the american ambassador from damascus,is for vague reason,US said it is done for safety of Mr Ford,I do not think he was in real danger,I think there is more to the story than this,specially he left so quickly and suddenly.

Oh really!

U.S. hopes its envoy will return to Syria by November 24

go on feed us more of your believable muslim brotherhood propaganda

we’re all dumb here on sc

hehehehehehe

Majed

Heard the same thing. If thug one does not agree, the AL would declare their failure which would be the basis for foreign intervention. I think prince Hamad said it clear. The AL is doing everything possible to relieve their conscious before any foreign intervention takes place. I think Besho wants the time to discuss with IrN

339. majedkhaldoun said:

Ultimatum SUNDAY

is that before or after church service? 😀

stop you’re killing me 😀

hehehehehehe

Amal said
“we’re all dumb here on sc”

No , only you.

Ann

Just want to tell you, I never heard a women in my entire life saying ” LMAO”. I think you are a different breed of women. Very “unusual” one if you will.

Ultimatum SUNDAY

Read your own post:

https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=12510&cp=4#comment-280166

Ann said
“is that before or after church service?

stop you’re killing me ”
That will be after Bashar burial

I was pretty worried and felt cranky all day long until I heard prince Hamad interview on Aljazeera. I think Thug one is finally cornered. He knows that if he does not agree to the AL initiative, he is facing foreign intervention. It is his choice. Foreign intervention means an end for him similar to Quaddafi’s. I expect him to agree to the AL initiative and then try to maneuver his way around. I hope AL outsmarts him in the second phase too. His final end is approaching and I deserve a very well made cup of Arabic coffee. tfadalou.

I say, is Katherine Khabour, the girl whlo was shot today in Homs, Christian ? If she is, what does NORMAN DARYLL ANN SNP have to say ?

http://news.salon.com/2011/10/26/pentagon_game_to_divide_iranians_and_arabs/

The Pentagon and social media

The Pentagon is actively seeking to understand, influence and control these platforms and the messages they transmit. In July, the technology arm of the Department of Defense, DARPA, announced a $42 million program to enable the U.S. military to “detect, classify, measure and track the formation, development and spread of ideas and concepts (memes)” within social media.

Wired magazine calls the project the Pentagon’s “social media propaganda machine” because of its plans for “counter messaging of detected adversary influence operations.”

In order to “allow more agile use of information in support of [military] operations” and “defend” against “adverse outcomes,” the project will enable the automation of processes to “identify participants and intent, measure effects of persuasion campaigns,” and ultimately, infiltrate and redirect social media-based campaigns overseas, when deemed necessary.

DJ US Ambassador Hopes To Be Back In Syria Next Month
2011-10-26 20:17:51.187 GMT

WASHINGTON (AFP)–U.S. Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who was abruptly withdrawn this week because of security threats, hopes to return to Damascus before the end of November, the State Department said Wednesday.

“Let me just say he has bought his Thanksgiving turkey for his embassy staff, and he wants very much to have Thanksgiving dinner for his folks there. So that’s our expectation, it will be sometime before Thanksgiving,” State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

Thanksgiving falls on Nov. 24 this year.

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
October 26, 2011 16:17 ET (20:17 GMT)- – 04 17 PM EDT 10-26-11

Alex
Do you agree this is weird?

351. majedkhaldoun said:

Alex
Do you agree this is weird?

going for broke huh

hehehehe

About pro-Government rallies, people are broyght in from Lebanon, Palestinian refugees are forcefully brought in at gunpoint 9 thoigh the PFLP terrorists come most willingly).

And those who accuse us of terrorism shold be careful what they wish for, these large menhebak gatherungs can easily be BOMBED, and you know the extent of casualties if that were to happen, people would be scared shitless to come out and attend Menhebak rallies. That it has not happened only proves we are not terrorists, becoz bombing such dumb gatherings is a piece of cake for the dumbest terrorist.

majedkhaldoun your credibility on this board is as high as khalid tlass

hehehehe

INFLUENCING MEMES

In response to the US $48 Million MEMES Manipulation project, the Iranian and Syrian Research Labs have produced an Artificial Neural Network software that does more for less (Just feed it). The program known as ANN has been in operation since the first day of unrest in Syria and seems to have influenced many, thought to be sane people, into showing their REALITY as insane, Giraffe loving singers and dancers on bodies. However, the infamous statistististician realistician REAL says that REALITY is different from real reality (as long as it is all capitalized). The rediscovery of this fundamental axiom is sending shockwaves that sent thousands of soldiers into civilian clothes to pray for the eternal giraffe of Damascus.

DARPA MADE ME DO IT

From http://newsfromsyria.blogspot.com/
You-are-a-bad-boy-and-you-should-resign-by-all-means principle:

Formal statement of the European Council of the European Union, dated 23 Oct 2011: “The European Council… stresses its strong support to the Syrian people as they express their legitimate aspirations for a life in freedom and dignity. It condemns in the strongest terms the ongoing brutal repression led by the Syrian regime against its population as well as the widespread human rights violations. President Assad must step aside to allow a political transition to take place in Syria.” http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/125496.pdf

Lavrov: The principle of the West, “You are bad” is a dangerous principle to resolve disputes with.

Lavrov: “If the international community promotes the theory that “You are so bad you cannot make any Hawwarmek and should leave government office no matter what the consequences”, of course, that would be incitement to violence and unrest.”

Makes sense to me.

The European Council statement of 23 Oct also says “The EU has decided to place restrictive measures aimed at those… who support or benefit from the regime, not at the civilian population.” Thus the EU seems to think that the civilian population doesn’t support or benefit from the regime. That is not just ignorant. It is psychotic.

Bashar asked for two weeks,Hamad insisted on three days,Bashar wanted to pracrastinate,he failed.

hamster you had an excellent oppurtunity to overturn the government in Syria and you blew it! now it’s time for you and you killer buddies to admit defeat, bow down and kiss assad shoes

comprende?

Bronco

Failed prediction? It is ok. Anything can we do to comfort you?

AL is strongly anti-Bashar. He is not going to last until the new election. He will deal with a major defeat before 2012. I told you I have a sixth sense..you did not believe me.

Anal
Go join SNK at the beach.

The guy who heads the Nahda part in Tunis is very annoying. I did not like him. He appeared very arrogant on 2interviews I followed on Aljazeera.

Tara #359

Are you joking? Whose predictions failed???

1- You predicted a ‘massive nationswide strike” and it failed: only a few villages around Homs and Hama followed(“One of the largest took place in the village of Halfaya in the central province of Hama”)
Do you know how many people live in this village?
2- One million supporters of Bashar Al Assad were on Omayayad Square and not a small square as you predicted.
– The SNC refused the dialog against your recommendation to Haytham’s
– Sheikh Hamad of Qatar will meet again with Bashar on Sunday.

Even the heavily biased Zeina Karam from AFP had to admit it.

Arab delegation says Syria eager to end crisis

BEIRUT (AP) — Arab officials held a “frank and friendly” meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad Wednesday, the head of the delegation said at the beginning of a regional effort to resolve a bloody 7-month revolt, the most serious challenge yet to the four decade Assad dynasty.

The Arab committee is trying to start talks between Assad’s government and its opponents, but protest leaders reject any dialogue with the regime while it continues its brutal crackdown, which the U.N. says has killed more than 3,000 people since March.

Activists said at least 15 civilians were killed Wednesday in military operations across the country, 12 of them in the flashpoint central city of Homs.

The meeting in Damascus between the Arab ministerial committee and Assad came hours after tens of thousands of Syrians packed a main square in the Syrian capital, chanting, “the people want Bashar Assad.” Assad succeeded his father, and together the family has ruled Syria for more than 40 years.

Qatari Prime Minister Sheik Hamad Bin Jassem Bin Jabr Al Thani was quoted as saying that the Arab delegation felt that the Syrian government is eager to work with the Arab committee “in order to reach a solution.”

Sheik Hamad told reporters that the Arab committee and the Syrian government will hold another meeting on Sunday either in Syria or in Qatar.
http://news.yahoo.com/arab-delegation-says-syria-eager-end-crisis-171021372.html

348. KHALID TLASS said:

“I say, is Katherine Khabour, the girl whlo was shot today in Homs, Christian ? If she is, what does NORMAN DARYLL ANN SNP have to say ?”

Tlass, I do not support any killing of any form and I am not sure we you get this idea that I am an unshakable supporter of the government.

Having said that, the answer to your question above, a mentally blind Muslim like you is definitely partly to blame. A person like you who is preoccupied with death instead of life it self, is always part of the problem instead of being part of the solution. Do you get my drift Tlass?

Honest Bethoist
Amal is not a hypocrite
She practices what she preaches

She kisses betho’s shoes in the morning
And at night she’s one of his leeches

Behold the two cells in her brain
which are enough for all of his speeches

But when she thinks out loudly
Al we hear is rust and her screeches

For Amal is a primo shoe kisser
A practitioner of what she preaches

Devoid of an ounce of integrity
But patriotism to the honorable she teaches

Amal is not a hypcrite
She practices what she teaches

She kisses betho’s shoes in the morning
And at night for sure one of the leeches

Gaddafi son wants to surrender to The Hague – NTC

If he gets alive to the ICC, he may reveal all what Ghaddafi was prevented to reveal about deals with Sarkozy and the UK and other countries? I think the Western countries prefers him dead.

http://rt.com/news/gaddafi-son-hague-ntc-815/

Former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s son and heir apparent, Saif al-Islam, and ex-intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senussi have reportedly suggested turning themselves in to the International Criminal Court in The Hague.
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355. SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
However, the infamous statistististician realistician REAL says that REALITY is different from real reality (as long as it is all capitalized).

REALITY

“Will laugh well who will laugh the last”

Bronco

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I am not kidding at all.  

First, I hoped and prayed for massive strike and did not predict it.  Secondly, the million supporters you are claiming filling Umayad square are not million but even if they are, they are rent-a-crowed.  In authoritarian brutal regime, you can buy about anything you like including what appears to be love and passion.  You can have people kneel to you and kiss your toes.  You know that Bronco…You do not need Tara to tell you.  Thirdly, the square thing was not my prediction either.  It was a joke I heard going around and I shared it.   

Now my only prediction was that the AL and specifically Qatar will outsmart Bashar and leave him with no choice.  I also predicted that they are not in support of him and they support the revolution.  YOU, on the other, hand insisted that the AL is in favor of Bashar and wants him to stay.  

Also, Hamad said that if Bashar agreed to the AL’s initiative, he then would take it up with the opposition.  He did not say that the opposition declined.  We have heard contradictory comments from the SNC.  I still do recommend that if Besho agrees on sitting down with the SNC in one of my favorite Arab capital, Cairo that is, they should go for it.

Sunday is 3 days from now. I will again ask you then if there is anything we can do to comfort you as I would like you to admit that power and money can buy you almost anything but not true love, not the AL’ love at this time.  Have you checked the Arab’s sentiment poll I linked earlier?    

Syrian Hamster #365

I thought it was impossible to write poems more stupid that the ones written on SC by the Israeli self-claimed poet, Andersen.

You proved the contrary.

THE FIRST LAUGH

@ REAL/REALITY/REALISM/

Will laugh well who will laugh the last

Good because this fool was the first to laugh

Syrian Hamster

Your writings are fine art…Lots of people can’t appreciate fine art. You need the taste for it.

I never trusted Jordan or Turkey regarding Syria, there is always something suspicious:

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IRRITATED?

Tara #368

I am sorry you “hopes” of massive strikes failed.

What about the “next it will be smaller square” was it just a hope?
You can always try to convince yourself it was a costly rent a million Syrian operation. I have serious doubt. Sorry, your poll is as ‘valid’ as the one of that ridiculous Christian university in California that made the headlines a few weeks ago.

About the SNC, sorry, but I think you did not read the article. It says specifically that the SNC has rejected the dialog.

Bashar has NO choice, we all know it, and he will very probably go along with the offer from the AL and proceed with the dialog whether in Syria or in Doha. I doubt it will happen in Cairo. This will be negotiated in Sunday. Bashar will not sit with any opposition that has called for him to step down, so the SNC as an organization is out of the equation.
Bashar will lead the national dialog as announced and he will not step down.

The SNC has two choices, one is to become irrelevant by not participating in a AL sponsored dialog, the second is to send some of its members to the dialog discreetly so they save their face. The SNC has been ‘outsmarted’ and squeezed. They are probably debating what to do now.

My predictions are clear while yours are fuzzy.
Could you spell out clearly what are your “hopes” and what are your “predictions”

Seif al Islam is now pleading to surrender himself to the ICC. Not too long ago, he pointed a finger at the Libyans on TV warning them that he will turned Libya into hell. Ironically, the hell affected his family the worst. His father was bludgeoned to death, 3 brothers were killed, and the rest of the family fled.. Not only that, but also the whole family entered the dustbin of history as brutal criminal psychopaths who stole a country.

I am amazed how people think they are invulnerable. Bashar is obviously unable to learn any lesson from the Qaddafi’s chapter. Sad sad fate appears to be pre-destined for him. Of course, After all he is a children killer…

Bronco

Sorry but you are not nice today.

“Bassma Kodmani, spokeswoman for the broad-based opposition group, the Syrian National Council, said it is “impossible” to talk about a dialogue within the current security crackdown.
“And even if the right conditions for dialogue prevail, the only thing to discuss would be a roadmap for the peaceful transfer of power,” she told The Associated Press”

Above does not mean they rejected the AL initiative. Does it? Of course, the only thing to dialogue about is the peaceful transfer of power, nothing else. That is the only dialogue I personally support.

Were you referring to a different article that ” I did not read”? My prediction is not fuzzy. Bashar destiny is approaching. He is not gonna last till 2014. And AL initiative is anti- not pro Bashar. It is to remove him and not to sustain him in power.

Tara’s bought love:

Bronco
You said Bashar agrees to go for dialogue,AL is saying he must stop the killing machine first,refusing to do that means he does not caccept AL demands,AL demending not the dialogue first, but stop completely the killing arrest and also demanding the release of all ppolitical prisoners,this is where you are wrong.
If and when he stop the killing and release the prisoners,then the SNC will accept to join the dialogue,SNC did not refuse dialogue in a case he stopped the killing,SNC said he must stop the killing first,then SNC will join the dialogue.
AL in its demands outsmart Bashar and his regime, he is trying to buy time,give him three days only AL outsmart him .Bashar was given ultimatuim,if he does not comply,AL will say they failed,that will open the door for foreign intervention,and Turkey and China are saying his refusal will be a major mistake.
You said Bashar will not sit with SNC,He may but this means he refuse to talk with the opposition.

Majed

Thanks. That is exactly what I was trying to say.

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Memo To: IRRITATED

RE: “…the Israeli self-claimed poet, Andersen…”

I am not a JewBoy, you pathetically ignorant son of a three-legged goat…

Foreign minister tells Syria not to stir up Turkey
Wednesday, October 26, 2011
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=foreign-minister-tells-syria-not-to-stir-up-turkey-2011-10-26

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu has sent a stern warning to Syria’s government, telling Damascus to not even think about seeking to raise tensions in Turkey by inciting the country’s Kurdish citizens
Syria’s embattled government should not even consider trying to incite Turkey’s Kurds in a bid to foment tension in its northern neighbor, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu has warned Damascus during talks on the Arab Spring in Qatar.

“They should think about the past and not even think about playing such a card. Everyone will see the results of such an act,” Davuto?lu said Oct. 25 during an official visit to Doha.

Davuto?lu met the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC) Chairman Mustafa Abdul Jalil as part of his talks in Doha.

Speaking about the death of former Libya leader Moammar Gadhafi, Davuto?lu said he was sorry about the violent nature of the colonel’s end.

“Even though it may be explained through social and psychological reasons, I was sorry [to see this end]. I watched for a while and then could not watch more. It is saddening that a political and biological life has ended in this way for a leader who was present for almost the entire time during and after the Cold War,” said Davuto?lu.

But Gadhafi was also somewhat responsible for his end because he ignored his people’s demands and international calls, including ones from Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an, for reform, Davuto?lu said.

‘Can’t survive without legitimacy’

Davuto?lu refuted recent reports that Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad could share Gadhafi’s violent end, saying the two countries had different structures.

“Syria’s ethnic structure is different than Libya. It is located in a more critical political region. [Syria] has unsolved problems with Israel. It [is close to] sensitive places like Lebanon and Iraq,” said Davuto?lu.

The minister, however, said Syria was similar to Libya in that it was not possible for governments who lose legitimacy in the eyes of their people to survive. “There are lessons from Libya that everyone can take.”

Ghufran
He will not refuse AL demands,is something and doing what AL demands is something else.AL is saying he must stop the killing,release political prisoners, if Bashar does not do it ,this means he refused,just saying he will not refuse AL demands,,but at the same time he will not stop the killing and will not release political prisoners this equivalent to not accepting AL initiative.
I agree that Bashar is trying to extract concessions from the opposition, but the opposition has only one demand,for Bashar to resign and hand down the authirity to the interim goverment, all the fake reforms are not what the opposition is asking for.

Bronco

In case you missed the raving about RF  personal integrity.

“Stu Jones, the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan who worked with Ford in Baghdad, said he is known for personal integrity”

http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/26/us-ambassador-to-syria-a-frank-outspoken-critic.html

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MajedAlkhaldoon
#378

Unless you forgot, the SNC said in their official statement in Turkey and repeated it in the media. “We will not dialog with a killer. Bashar al Assad must step down. Our aim is to topple Bashar al Assad.”
Now you are telling me they will have an amnesia crisis and sit in a dialog lead by Bashar if the latter complies with AL requests?

Why is Qatar calling Syria for another meeting on Sunday, if according to you he gave Bashar an “ultimatum” of 3 days?
My opinion is that the time frame and the way of pacifiying Homs and Idlib is part of a deal covering all aspects of the solution proposed by the AL. In case of failure, AL will have to face its second defeat in peaceful diplomacy after the “no-mercy” disaster of Libya and Qatar will loose its credibility as a peace broker in the region.

There is much more than you think going on in the background. We shouldn’t oversimplify it.

Ghufran 385

Agree with you completely. The only problem is that I have serious doubt that the regime is not going to fight until the bitter end.

Tara #383

“Stu Jones, the U.S. Ambassador to Jordan who worked with Ford in Baghdad, said he is known for personal integrity”

A US Ambassador publicly praising another US ambassador? He must have something serious to hide.

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4 ???? ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ABLIfSSwI ???? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1h5nsa5HQI ??????? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4CQ32g2iJI ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzymRZmxTFo ??? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EkX1X3xg_Jo ?? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jg3AfYxI7w ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuJClIt_OH8 ??????? ????? ???? ????????
5 ???? ??????? ???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfRJdQenK-c ??? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPJTIMwTwSQ ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? : ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnYedLIUQk ????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ???????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz6HdEYdYw ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? : ??? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ??????
6 ???? ???? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qj0cd0H-Y ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Yc5xcYUlQ ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? | ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUZpbNuTnaY ???? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sh7boJx06s ??? ??? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAl6x8VoZ6Y&feature=share ?????
7 ???? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMzfsLAIt4 ??????? ????? ????? ??????? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ????????? ???? ????? ????? ???? http://ow.ly/79jjP ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd2byYJtxmQ ???? ?????? ????????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDNvnCFyINs ?????? ????? http://www.4shared.com/video/pprIoA6w/26102011_002_.html? ????????
8 ???? 8 ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDVXAS64z5s ??? ????? ?? ????? ???????? :: ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? .. ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? http://ow.ly/79j4E ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsaopJpJ4J0 ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l33Lf94GLsU ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV2XRg7qqA&feature=share ?????
9 ?? ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9nw36kgmRQ ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jE9VXJfyrk ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEEVggrHhw&feature=share ??????
10 ???? ??? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9zedKPo-to ???? ????? http://ow.ly/79ihc ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w202fCDDu7A ??? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-_oCJFxcc&feature=share ??????
11 ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeTF7Vd446A ?????? / ????????? ????? ?????? : ????????? : ????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ????????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? _ ???? || ????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ????
12 ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE03DXi0KFg ???? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? http://ow.ly/79hi1 ??? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG98wF4oZN0 ?????? ????? ?????? || ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????
13 ??? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeT46TWR1xQ ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? 11 http://ow.ly/79had ?? ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDKpHfhUH8o ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? || ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?????
14 ????? ???? / ??????? ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zds_AKP6U4I ???? ????? http://ow.ly/79gDh ??????? ????? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Kuzj4rvBo&feature=share ????
15 ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY0x5ZUuCTo ???? ????? ????: ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYvCWzARtw8&feature=share ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhsSKWnHZ_0
16 ???? ???? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bROU21rsjyw ??? ????? ???: ??????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9qGfD43aQ&feature=share
17 ?? ???????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlgC_gFmN94 ?????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? http://ow.ly/79fb8 ??? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g2NZkE4n6c&feature=share
18 ????? ????? ???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zds_AKP6U4I ????? ????? ????? http://ow.ly/79f1E ?????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8VviTELfos
19 ?????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5kHxMDmUIw ??? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPcuLw7_rZ8
20 ?????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zEC4p_g0s ???? ??????? ????? http://ow.ly/79eKQ
21 ?????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RqhnRDdWM
22 ???? ??? ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zds_AKP6U4I ???? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???????
23 ????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpp3MQzoJA ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PXTkqqbZuk
24 ???? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjf2EFq7kjQ ?????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????
25 ???? ?????? (?????????) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMeWQqWaDHk&feature=youtu.be ?????? ????? http://ow.ly/79bo1
26 ???? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVC6SHpGVLM&feature=share ???? ????? ????: ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????
27 ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ???? ??????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ? ??????? ??????? ??????
28 ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???,????? ??? ??????? ?????? ,????? ?????? ??????
29 ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5E8YddPmWw
30 ??????? ???????? ????? ???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEYl8Keh01Q
31 ???? / ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq0eT3NkDyc
32 ???? ?????? ?? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5iO6DY-zyc
33 ???? ?????? ?? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cXVkuSdoag

Bronco @386

Qatar meeting Assad again on Sunday because Bashar agreed to some but not all AL’s demands. You probably missed Hamad’sinterview on Aljazeera. Hamad said that if Assad does not agree to the rest of the demands of the AL on Sunday, he will call it a quit and declare failure. If Assad agrees to Al’s demands then the opposition will be approached.

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3 ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? : ????? ??? ???? ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awe_BxaowBM ??? ?????? ????? http://ow.ly/79hG2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV8HcA6QUCs ?????? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybyW7kZqhOA ???? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9C0QXimrNg ?????? ????? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JOItGCnTE ???? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUdg7TqSqIo ??? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q26c1EezHXE ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSXinRZVEzU ???? ????? (??? ??????)
4 ???? ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ABLIfSSwI ???? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1h5nsa5HQI ??????? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4CQ32g2iJI ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzymRZmxTFo ??? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EkX1X3xg_Jo ?? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jg3AfYxI7w ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuJClIt_OH8 ??????? ????? ???? ????????
5 ???? ??????? ???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfRJdQenK-c ??? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPJTIMwTwSQ ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? : ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???? ???????? ??????? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnYedLIUQk ????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ???????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz6HdEYdYw ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? : ??? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ??????????? ????????? ??????? ????? ??????
6 ???? ???? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qj0cd0H-Y ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Yc5xcYUlQ ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? | ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUZpbNuTnaY ???? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sh7boJx06s ??? ??? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAl6x8VoZ6Y&feature=share ?????
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8 ???? 8 ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDVXAS64z5s ??? ????? ?? ????? ???????? :: ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???????? ?? ???? ??????? .. ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? http://ow.ly/79j4E ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsaopJpJ4J0 ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l33Lf94GLsU ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOV2XRg7qqA&feature=share ?????
9 ?? ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9nw36kgmRQ ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jE9VXJfyrk ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijEEVggrHhw&feature=share ??????
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11 ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeTF7Vd446A ?????? / ????????? ????? ?????? : ????????? : ????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ????????? ??? ???? ??????? ???????? ???????? ??????????? ??? ???????? ????? ???????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? _ ???? || ????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????? ???????? ????? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ????
12 ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE03DXi0KFg ???? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? http://ow.ly/79hi1 ??? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG98wF4oZN0 ?????? ????? ?????? || ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????
13 ??? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeT46TWR1xQ ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? 11 http://ow.ly/79had ?? ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDKpHfhUH8o ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? || ?? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?????
14 ????? ???? / ??????? ???????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zds_AKP6U4I ???? ????? http://ow.ly/79gDh ??????? ????? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Kuzj4rvBo&feature=share ????
15 ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY0x5ZUuCTo ???? ????? ????: ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ???????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYvCWzARtw8&feature=share ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhsSKWnHZ_0
16 ???? ???? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bROU21rsjyw ??? ????? ???: ??????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?? ????????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???????? ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9qGfD43aQ&feature=share
17 ?? ???????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlgC_gFmN94 ?????? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? http://ow.ly/79fb8 ??? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g2NZkE4n6c&feature=share
18 ????? ????? ???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zds_AKP6U4I ????? ????? ????? http://ow.ly/79f1E ?????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8VviTELfos
19 ?????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5kHxMDmUIw ??? ??????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPcuLw7_rZ8
20 ?????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9zEC4p_g0s ???? ??????? ????? http://ow.ly/79eKQ
21 ?????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RqhnRDdWM
22 ???? ??? ??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zds_AKP6U4I ???? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???????
23 ????? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpp3MQzoJA ?????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PXTkqqbZuk
24 ???? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjf2EFq7kjQ ?????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ???????
25 ???? ?????? (?????????) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMeWQqWaDHk&feature=youtu.be ?????? ????? http://ow.ly/79bo1
26 ???? ?????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVC6SHpGVLM&feature=share ???? ????? ????: ????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????
27 ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???? ???? ??????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ? ??????? ??????? ??????
28 ??? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???,????? ??? ??????? ?????? ,????? ?????? ??????
29 ???? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5E8YddPmWw
30 ??????? ???????? ????? ???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEYl8Keh01Q
31 ???? / ???? ????? ????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq0eT3NkDyc
32 ???? ?????? ?? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5iO6DY-zyc
33 ???? ?????? ?? ??????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cXVkuSdoag

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Two previous posts went for “moderation”
http://the-syrian.com/archives/49691

Tara

“He is not gonna last till 2014. And AL initiative is anti- not pro Bashar. It is to remove him and not to sustain him in power.”

Your predictions are still fuzzy. Will the AL sponsored dialog take place of not? If it is not until 2014, until when Bashar is going to remain the president of Syria?

Tara #389

They are obviously still negotiating on ‘some’ issues. Did he mention which ones?
So nothing is yet definite, so why jump to conclusions.
Media declarations are only ways to put pressure on the protagonists..

For different reasons Syria, the AL and Qatar cannot afford a “failure”. They’ll work very hard to make it work.

Bronco
The Ultimatum is for Assad to agree to stop the killing and to end the suppression using the army and the shabbiha. Three days is to accept the AL demands.
And yes once he stop the killing SNC will start dialogue about how to hand down authority,this is the meaning what they say, we will not have dialogue with the killer.
The Idea that there is a deal to cover up the killing,I can not accept it,this is your suspicion only.
You call it defeat, it is actually failure, it is a door for foreign action, Bashar is to blame for.

Majedalkhaldoon #393

Let’s wait 3 days and see how it unravels. We may have more surprises.

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Bronco

Ok.  I will spell it out.  I believe AL headed by Hamad genuinely wants to avoid foreign intervention in Syria if possible.  They wants to sponsor peaceful transition of power.  

What they mean by that is for the opposition and Bashar to dialogue and agree to a road map to accomplish this peaceful transition of power.  I don’t think they are implying a dialogue about reforms such as cancellation of article8, changing the constitution, setting up a date for election, etc to be led by Bashar.  I think they mean a dialogue that culminate into the disintegration of the Syrian regime and the transition of power into a unity government that will then set the stage for all that Jazz of reforms.

I think the difference between your understanding and mine is that my understanding or prediction is that the dialogue would not be about reform.  It would be about power transfer without civil war or foreign intervention.  In the interim, Bashar life is saved….I think your understanding or prediction is that the AL want to sponsor a dialogue where reforms are taking place during Bashar continued presidency.

The initiative is not about reforms any more.  This is about finding a way for transfer of power without civil war or foreign intervention.  Reform is now an old and forgotten story.  

The ever changing mission of NATO
http://www.afp.com/afpcom/ar/taglibrary/activity/web/multimedia/journal%20internet

Tara

Do you seriously think that after 7 months, 3000 dead syrians, of which civilians, soldiers and security elements, while facing a disunited and shaky opposition or small groups of armed defected soldiers and armed gangs creating terror in Homs and villages that Bashar Al Assad will be bullied to negotiate his own removal? You obviously underestimate him.
In my view, the AL sponsored dialog can only be about ways to rein the violence on both sides, and the establishment of working groups with the opposition (the ones who accept the leadership of the president) to develop a timeframe for the implementation of the reforms. There will be no transition of power other than through planned elections.
Any other proposition is a sure NAY. I trust Qatar and the AL are smarter than that.

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Bronco

The AL mentioned they want Bashar to respond to ” the legitimate demands of the Syrian people”. The Syrian people legitimate demand after 8 months of the killing and torture is “isqat al nizam”. I might be mistaken but the AL would be too naive to think that the Syrian people has different demands than what stated above i.e isqat al nizam. Will find out on Sunday…

Btw, this is not about whether my prediction or yours materializes. This is my reading of the situation and I might be wrong. We are not in a competition and I have no doubt of your brilliance.

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Tara #400

Don’t overestimate my ‘brilliance’. I have doubts too, it’s all speculations. All predictions have a margin of failure, even Nostradamus’s.

Qatar can’t hide its reality for too long:
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Memo To: BESHO BOY BRONCO

RE: “…do you think, after 7 months, 3000 dead Syrians, facing a disunited and shaky opposition, that Bashar Al Assad will be bullied to negotiate his own removal?…”

Of course not. That’s why he has to be killed.

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Robert Fisk: Syria slips towards sectarian war
Stories of killings in Homs are reinforcing support for Assad in Damascus

Robert Fisk

So there was the reporter from Syrian television asking what I thought of the situation in Syria, and there was I saying that you can no longer infantilise Arabs, that the uprisings/revolts/revolutions/unrest in the Arab world were all different; but that dictatorship didn’t work, that if there were – if – a serious new constitution, pluralist political parties and real and genuine free elections, Syria might just climb out of its tragedy but that the government was running out of time, fast.

We shall see if this gets on air on Saturday (readers will be kept informed) but outside in the street another pro-Assad demonstration was starting, 10,000 then 50,000 – it might have reached 200,000 by midday – and there was no Saddam-style trucking of the people to the Omayad Square, no mukhabarat intelligence presence and the only soldiers were standing with their families. How does one report a pro-government demo during the Arab Awakening? There were veiled women, old men, thousands of children with “Syria” written on their faces. Most held Syrian flags, some held the flags of Russia and China.

Were they coerced? I don’t think so – not by the Assad government, at least. Some played football games in the parks round the square. Others signed their names – Muslim and Christian – on a banner decorated with the branches of a massive Syrian tree. But if they were coerced, it was by stories from further north.I spoke to 12 men and women. Five spoke of relatives in the army killed in Homs. And the news from Homs was very bad. I had dinner on Tuesday night with an old friend. His 62-year-old cousin, a retired engineer, had given water to some soldiers in Homs. Next morning, armed men knocked at his front door and shot him dead. He was a Christian.

Of course, the Assad government had been warning of a sectarian war. Of course, the Assad government has set itself up as the only sure protector of minorities. Of course, the Assad government had claimed that Islamists and “terrorists” were behind the street opposition to the regime. It’s also clear that the brutality of the Syrian security forces in Deraa and Homs and other cities against unarmed protesters has been a scandal, which those in the government privately acknowledge.

But it’s also transparent that the struggle in Syria now cuts through the centre of the country and that many armed men now oppose the army. Indeed, I have been told that Homs slips – for hours at a time – out of government control. Damascenes travelling to the northern city of Aleppo can take the bus. But now more than ever, they are flying to avoid the dangerous road between Hama and Aleppo. These are the reasons, I suspect, why so many thousands came to demonstrate in Damascus yesterday. They are frightened.

Foreign journalists are not allowed to travel to Homs – a serious error by the regime – where Sunnis, Alawites and Christians live close together amid Armenians, Circassians and other groups. A sectarian war may well be in the cynical interests of any regime fighting for its life. But unless everyone I’ve met is lying (which I don’t believe), this is now a growing reality in central Syria. Against this, no Russian or Chinese vetoes in the United Nations are of any use.

A delegation from the Arab League – that pathetic and most useless of Arab institutions – was due to arrive in Damascus yesterday afternoon. To what effect? Are they supposed to send a “peace” force? Two days ago, Mohamed Kadour, the Dean of the Petrochemicals Faculty at Homs University, was kidnapped in return for the freeing of detainees. He was released a day later. Whether imprisoned men were released, we don’t know. But it has happened before. In Idlib, so they say, everyone is armed. And the weapons – so they say – are coming from Lebanon.

Ask who the armed men are in central Syria and you receive a spread of replies: Bedouin who smuggle drugs to Saudi Arabia, army defectors, “Islamists” from Iraq, “people who just think there is no other way to get rid of the regime”. Damascus is safe; bright lights and late-night shopping and restaurants and thousands wandering the streets. But Damascus is not the rest of Syria. It lives in a kind of bubble.

I got up yesterday after only an hour and a half of sleep – because outside my hotel, government workers were testing the deafening sound system for the demonstration. All night there were bursts of taped cheering and drums and cheers and trumpets. But did those crowds yesterday really need this false applause and fraudulent additions to their own demonstration? Officially, things are getting better in Syria. I doubt it.

If the UN figure of more than 3,000 civilian dead is correct and if the Syrian statistic of 1,150 military deaths are correct and if the deaths of the last three days – perhaps another 50 – are true, then up to 4,200 Syrians have been killed in seven months. And that’s enough to frighten anyone.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-syria-slips-towards-sectarian-war-2376408.html

Soon the CNT will boast that it is not racist since it has used Sudanese troops to enter Tripoli!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15471734

Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir says his country gave military support to the Libyan rebels who overthrew Col Muammar Gaddafi.

In a speech broadcast live on state television, Mr Bashir said the move was in response to Col Gaddafi’s support for Sudanese rebels three years ago.

Sudan and Libya have had a complicated and frequently antagonistic relationship for many years.

Libya was declared liberated on Sunday, two days after Col Gaddafi’s death.
‘Opportunity to reciprocate’

President Bashir said the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM), a Darfuri rebel group, had attacked Khartoum three years ago using Libyan trucks, equipment, arms, ammunition and money.

He said God had given Sudan a chance to respond, by sending arms, ammunition and humanitarian support to the Libyan revolutionaries.

“Our God, high and exalted, from above the seven skies, gave us the opportunity to reciprocate the visit,” he said.

“The forces which entered Tripoli, part of their arms and capabilities, were 100% Sudanese,” he told the crowd.

His speech was well received by a large crowd in the eastern Sudanese town of Kassala.

JEM leader Khalil Ibrahim lived for some time in southern Libya.

Now he is back in Darfur, in western Sudan, where an eight-year-old civil war continues.

Mr Bashir’s remarks show a desire to forge firm links with Libya’s new government.

But the easy availability of weapons in Libya, and that country’s porous border with Darfur, are also of great concern to the Sudanese authorities.

@364 Hamster

Love you !
I have weaned from SC cold turkey but a little shot to take in a Hamster poem, why not ?

The regime response will be more countre offers, and more procrastination and will try to buy more time.
My question the next meeting will be in Qatar, who will go there? Bashar himself or Muallem?

#412 Majedalkaldoon

Buy time for what? What, in your opinion, Bashar expects to happen with more time? He is squeezed by the Russians and the Chinese, he can’t ask from more time unless he looses their support..
I think Moallem will go, not Bashar. It’s a meeting of arab foreign ministers, not of rulers.

Dear Bronco
Are you suggesting Bashar will accept AL initiative?

Bashar wants the time because he thinks he is able to crush the revolution and subdue Homs, Idleb, Horan, Damascus suburb, etc with more time. He is disillusioned. He is trying to manipulate the situation. He accepted to receive the AL but will not stop the killing, withdraw the army, release the prisoners, etc. His Yes to AL is hollow and empty.

MajedAlkaldoon #414

I believe he has no other choice. Yet he will accept without appearing to yield to pressures. This is why there will be negotiations and mediatized give and take on both sides.
Qatar and especially the AL want it to succeed. They don’t want to appear weak and relying again on the West to solve Arab issues (Like Libya). The AL, under Nabil Al Arabi, may want to gain its role as a unifiying entity for Arab countries and not as a puppet of the Western countries. A success in Syria may give it some clout it has lost a long time ago.

This is why I think that something can be worked out, respecting both the dignity of the government and the legitimate demands from the people.
If the Syrian government evaluates that it needs help to stop the ‘civil war’ and killings in Homs and Idlib, then they may discuss how to stop that, maybe through an Arab peacekeeping force.
We’ll see on sunday.

Bronco,

No foreign forces in Syria even Arab ones.

They need to move on the reform fast and the AL need to make the opposition recognize that they won, so do not blow it.

Norman
Yes no Arab army,Arab army is powerless anyway.
Turkey sent a message to Bashar, you try to instigate the Kurdish resistance against Turkish goverment,it will be the start of war.Bashar is playing with fire.

The demonstrators pro Bashar are bussed,pictures of the busses are shown

Norman

Nobody, least the opposition, can control the violence going on in Homs and Edlib. The mixture of criminals and legitimate protesters make it hard to deal with. It needs police and military forces to stop the criminals and peacekeeping forces to control the protesters (a curfew for example).

It is impossible for the Syrian army to stop the bloodshed in 15 days without being accused by the foreign opposition and the media of ‘trying to crush the opposition”. By imposing this deadline, the AL has the responsibility to ensure that the killings in these areas are stopped and it won’t stop by the army withdrawing, in the contrary.
How would they do that, I don’t know. It is not an easy issue.
One solution would be that Qatar provide some kind of peacekeeping forces in these areas when the army withdraws. There may be other solutions they are discussing now.

Jordan’s King Abdullah on Egypt, Syria

Lally Weymouth for The Washington Post

During the World Economic Forum he hosted at the Dead Sea over the weekend, Jordan’s King Abdullah II spoke with The Post’s Lally Weymouth. Excerpts:

Q. How do you see Egypt’s future?

A. I went to Egypt after visiting the U.S. in May. I had a message from the administration for General Tantawi. [Mohammed Hussein Tantawi is head of Egypt’s military ruling council.]

How did your visit to Egypt go?

With Tantawi — fantastic. We had a very good meeting.

It is astounding that Tantawi did not take President Obama’s call for hours the night the Israelis were trapped in their embassy in Egypt.

The feeling I got from the Egyptian leadership is that if they stick [their] necks out, they will just get lambasted like [former president Hosni] Mubarak did. So I think they are playing safe by just keeping their heads down, which I think .?.?. sometimes allows things to get out of control. .?.?. Tantawi thinks there is too much pressure on him.

From the streets?

No, from the West.

Do you and other leaders in this area believe you cannot rely on the U.S.?

I think everybody is wary of dealing with the West. .?.?. Looking at how quickly people turned their backs on Mubarak, I would say that most people are going to try and go their own way. I think there is going to be less coordination with the West and therefore a chance of more misunderstandings. Egypt is trying to develop its own way of moving forward.

And Jordan?

Two things make Jordan stand out. One is that we reached out to everybody and got a national dialogue committee. The other thing that made a major impact is that we have had demonstrations for the past 11 months but .?.?. nobody has been killed. It was a decision taken [from] Day One that we disarmed all our police. In other countries .?.?. their solution was to pull out their guns and shoot.

Do you think President Bashar al-Assad of Syria can last?

We have been very careful to keep all channels of communication open with the Syrians.

Does that mean you have talked to President Assad?

I spoke to Bashar al-Assad twice in the springtime. .?.?. Basically, they were not interested in listening to our advice. They basically told us that there are a bunch of thugs in Syria and they had everything under control. A couple of times I have felt that I should reach out to him, but I really don’t know what to say. I think he does have reform in his soul but I don’t think that type of regime allows for any potential reformist.

People are asking about an alternative to President Assad — can another Alawite or a Sunni overthrow him?

Nobody has an answer to Syria. .?.?. The regime seems to be quite strong. I think you are going to see continued violence for the time being.

In the West, you hear over and over that Assad’s days are numbered.

My view is when you use violence on your people, that never ends well. But anybody would be challenged to say if that’s [in] six months, six years or 16 years.

Syrian troops ‘plant mines by Lebanon border’
http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-troops-plant-mines-lebanon-border-133445269.html
Syrian troops were seen planting mines along a region bordering northern Lebanon early on Thursday in a bid to stem weapons smuggling, a local Lebanese official told AFP.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, he said the troops began planting the mines at dawn in an area facing two Lebanese villages — Knaysseh and Al-Hnayder.

“Lebanese officials told us the Syrians undertook the measure to prevent weapons smuggling,” he said.

“A number of Syrian soldiers were also seen deploying on their side of the border, near the Syrian villages of Heet and Buwayt,” he added.

The area is separated only by mounds of earth and for long has been used to smuggle goods between the two countries. Lebanese and Syrian nationals previously also circulated freely between the two countries.

But tension in the region has mounted since the revolt against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime erupted in March and some 5,000 Syrians, among them defecting soldiers and opposition activists, have sought refuge in Lebanon.

Experts say weapons smuggling from Lebanon to Syria has thrived since the revolt began but not on a large scale. They also point out that, the smuggling appears to be the work of individuals rather than political parties opposed to the Assad regime.

Tarek Sawah
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I guess Turkey is busy with many dramatic and military issues. Putting the blame on Syria for the renewed PKK violence is a cheap way of diverting the public opinion on its own flaws.

Some questions to Turkey.

What happened to the Syrian Free Army Riad al Assaad in Turkey? Silenced?
Is Adnan Bakkour in Turkey? Silenced?
When is Erdogan going to visit Hatay’s camps and impose sanctions on Syria?

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=foreign-minister-tells-syria-not-to-stir-up-turkey-2011-10-26

Foreign minister tells Syria not to stir up Turkey

Wednesday, October 26, 2011
DOHA – Radikal
Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu has sent a stern warning to Syria’s government, telling Damascus to not even think about seeking to raise tensions in Turkey by inciting the country’s Kurdish citizens

403. JAD
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If some Arab countries pull their embassy staff,europe will begin pulling their ambassadors.

to :jad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8A6oXdjkhY

Majedoglu
And if NATO bombs Damascus and Aleppo
And if Turkey invades the north
And if 50000 Syrians get killed
And if…,
You and Hamad will have Orga..m

Syrian oppositions are like these …watermelons:

428. Syria no kandahar said:

Syrian oppositions are like these …watermelons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtX8Hm57VA0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

REALITY
If you look at the other productions of this Jordanian producer on its website http://www.trustartistic.com/ , it would not be surprising if some of its manufactured videos has been uploaded anonymously on Youtube in a far less funny register.

The Syrian revolution 2011 FB calling tomorrow “No Flying Zone Friday”

Dear Bronco,

peacekeepers are to separate two legitimate waring parties, in Syria there is only one legitimate party and that is the Syrian Arab army, the other party is the criminal elements and the deserters who need to surrender their weapons , the Syrian Army is able to finish the job when these elements are called for what they are GANGS and the political cover from the opposition is lifted from them. That is if the opposition wants to join the political game, and that questionable.

From the EU/Salafist/al-Qaeda/Western/JewBoy/Saudi Press:

Once one of Syria’s closest allies, Turkey is hosting an armed opposition group waging an insurgency against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, providing shelter to the commander and dozens of members of the group, the Free Syrian Army, and allowing them to orchestrate attacks across the border from inside a camp guarded by the Turkish military.

The support for the insurgents comes amid a broader Turkish campaign to undermine Mr. Assad’s government.

And as a side note: The Chinese and the Russians are MUCH more interested in currying favor with Turkey than they are with a train wreck like Besho…

Norman

The regime lost its legitimacy when it started killing its own prople. The army lost its legitimacy when it pointed their guns towards the people it swore to protect. The children killers will never recoup any legitimacy. When you become illegit, you are illegit forever.

Tara,

It does not matter what you say, don’t you think that the people should say in a free and open election whom they want or you want to shove your opposition down the throat of the Syrian people.

peaceful unarmed protester and illegitimacy of the Syrian army
poor unemployed people are protesting
Palestinian neighborhood is arm free

REALITY

3 Terrorists Confess to Smuggling Weapons, Working among Armed Groups and Committing Criminal Acts in Jisr al-Shughour

Oct 26, 2011

DAMASCUS, (SANA) – Terrorists Ala’a Ahmad Nanna and Walid Ahmad Nanna confessed to joining armed terrorist groups in attacking the Military Security Detachment in Jisr al-Shughour in the northern province of and killing its personnel, in addition to smuggling firearms and ammo from Turkey.

Terrorist Mouayad Ghannam confessed to participating in smuggling firearms and ammo from Turkey to the Palestinian neighborhood in al-Ramel al-Janoubi in the coastal province of Lattakia, in addition to smuggling large quantities of fuel to Turkey.

The 26-year old terrorist Alaa Nanna, who lives in al-Raml al-Janoubi in Lattakia and works at al-Zain Company for Food Industry, confessed that he and someone called Hazem Faido from Khirbat al-Jouz village transported 50 pump-action shotguns to protesters in Jisr al-Shughour to help launch their attack on the Military Security Detachment there.

Alaa said that he took a gun and participated in opening fire on the detachment with 700 other armed men while a person called Mustafa Baydaq drove a bulldozer to transport barrels full of explosives into the detachment and then detonated them.

Terrorist Alaa confessed to cutting the hand and the leg of an injured soldier with a cleaver before Baydaq shot him dead with a machine gun.

The terrorist added that having had the detachment under their control, Baydaq used the bulldozer to put the dead security members into cars and threw some of them into the Orontes River, while other bodies were thrown in a waste landfill and in an unknown place.

He also confessed to transporting 50 pump-action shotguns to Lattakia City after Hazen smuggled them into Syria from Turkey.

Alaa said that he and the other armed men were shooting at the army personnel from the buildings’ roofs in al-Ramal al-Janoubi. “I shot an army member in his waist. He fell to the ground and I fled.”

In turn, the 32-year old Walid Nanna, Alaa’s brother, who was born in al-Sleibeh neighborhood and also works at al-Zain Company, confessed to participating in transporting pump-action shotguns in bags from the Turkish borders to al-Hamboshiyeh village to be later taken to Lattakia.

#432. Norman

I agree with you that an external military intervention is difficult to justify because the Syrian army is united behind Bashar Al Assad.
Yet any move by the army is perceived and reported by the media as an attack on ‘peaceful demonstrators’.
So the dilemma is how to cleanup these gangs without being criticized of oppression and crimes on peaceful citizens?

Also I really don’t see how the Syrian Army can manage to pacify these areas in a short time. Maybe they should impose an indefinite curfew on Homs and Edlib for a while, who knows?