{"id":62,"date":"2006-10-22T03:36:12","date_gmt":"2006-10-22T03:36:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/joshualandis.com\/blog\/?p=62"},"modified":"2006-10-22T04:02:21","modified_gmt":"2006-10-22T04:02:21","slug":"the-foreign-office-says-engage-syria-nsc-says-no","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/joshualandis.com\/blog\/the-foreign-office-says-engage-syria-nsc-says-no\/","title":{"rendered":"The Foreign Office says, “Engage Syria,” NSC says, “No”"},"content":{"rendered":"

On Monday Oct. 23, I will be talking at the <\/span>Saban<\/span> <\/span>Center<\/span> at the Brookings Institute with Ammar Abdulhamid on the subject: "Should the <\/span>US<\/span> engage <\/span>Syria<\/span>?"<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font>I will write on the release of Michel Kilo from jail in a separate post. <\/font>It is important. Everyone is praying that Bunni, Dalila and the others will follow Kilo out of jail soon.<\/font><\/p>\n

Israel<\/span> – <\/span>Syria<\/span> Dialogue<\/span><\/strong><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font>Olmert's insistence that <\/span>Israel<\/span> wants to begin peace talks with <\/span>Lebanon,<\/span> but not <\/span>Syria<\/span>, this weak was delightful political theater. Lebanon's PM Siniora immediately announced that <\/span>Lebanon<\/span> was not interested. "Peace should come with <\/span>Israel<\/span>'s acceptance of an Arab peace initiative," Siniora answered, putting his best Arab foot forward. What else could he say? His government, like Olmert's, is too weak to engage in real peace negotiations.<\/span><\/font>Olmert's desire to talk peace with Siniora comes only weeks after the Lebanon War, during which Olmert declared war on Siniora's government for harboring and working with terrorists, i.e. Hizbullah. <\/font><\/p>\n

What possibly has changed since then? Hizbullah remains a part of Siniora's government. The Lebanese army, although it has been deployed to the south of the country, has no orders to disarm or apprehend Hizbullah militia men. <\/span>Lebanon<\/span> continues to support <\/span>Israel<\/span>'s most potent enemy. How could <\/span>Israel<\/span> possible negotiate peace with <\/span>Lebanon<\/span>?<\/span><\/font> <\/font>Syria<\/span>, of course, also supports Hizbullah. The difference between <\/span>Syria<\/span> and <\/span>Lebanon<\/span> is that <\/span>Israel<\/span> would have to give back the Golan to <\/span>Syria<\/span> as a price of negotiations. Another difference is that the Syrian government is strong enough to implement any undertakings it would agree to as part of a peace deal. Here are the two news items: <\/span><\/font> <\/font> <\/p>\n

Israel Wants Lebanon Talks but not Syria<\/font><\/a> The Associated Press Monday, October 16, 2006; 10:46 AM<\/font><\/span>JERUSALEM<\/span> — Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Monday invited the Lebanese prime minister to begin peace talks following <\/span>Israel<\/span>'s recent war against Hezbollah guerrillas, but Olmert ruled out peace talks with <\/span>Syria<\/span> at the present time, saying President Bashar Assad isn't a suitable negotiating partner.<\/span><\/font>Olmert said that <\/span>Israel<\/span> made significant gains in its battle against the Lebanese guerrilla group. Olmert has been heavily criticized for his handling of the war, in which Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets into <\/span>Israel<\/span>.<\/span><\/font>Olmert called on <\/span>Lebanon<\/span>'s Prime Minister, Fuad Saniora, to enter peace talks, saying the time has passed for indirect mediation between the nations.<\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

See also: <\/font>Olmert Accuses Assad of Seeking Along with Hizbullah to Topple Saniora<\/font><\/a> <\/font><\/span><\/p>\n

\n

Prime Minister Fuad Saniora rejected his Israeli counterpart Ehud Olmert's<\/font><\/a> call Monday for direct peace talks between the two countries. A statement from Saniora's office said he "had announced more than once that <\/font><\/span>Lebanon<\/span> would be the last Arab country to sign peace with <\/span>Israel<\/span>." <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

"Real peace should come with Israel's acceptance of an Arab peace initiative proposed by (then) Saudi Crown Prince Abdallah and that was adopted by an Arab summit conference in Beirut" in March 2002, the statement said. "In this context, it has become clear that, as a first step to prove its desire for peace, <\/span>Israel<\/span> should withdraw from occupied Lebanese lands, including the Chebaa Farms and fully apply U.N. Security Resolution 1701," the statement added.<\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Shmuel Rosner<\/strong> in Haaretz tries to explain why the <\/span>US<\/span> should not engage <\/span>Syria<\/span>. He has two arguments. One, the <\/span>US<\/span> has <\/span>Syria<\/span> just where it wants it, isolated and hemmed in by the Hariri investigation. Two, the smartest people in <\/span>Washington<\/span> think Bashar al-Asad is not serious in wanting to make peace with <\/span>Israel<\/span>. Both of these arguments are wrong and tired. <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font>The assessments repeated by Rosner are part of the broader Middle East Bush policy that has failed so miserably in a mere four years. The longer analysts, such as Rosner, are able to foist these assessments on <\/span>Washington<\/span>, the more profoundly the <\/span>US<\/span> will lose credibility and effectiveness in the <\/span>Middle East<\/span>. <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

First, <\/span>Syria<\/span>'s isolation from the West is not crippling, except in the imagination of <\/span>Washington<\/span>. The Hariri trial is not going to undo the Asad regime or make it go away, no mater what the outcome. <\/span><\/font>Bashar al-Asad will be President of Syria long after Bush, Chirac, and Olmert have stepped aside. <\/span>Washington<\/span> must deal with him. <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font>Second, striking a peace deal between <\/span>Israel<\/span> and <\/span>Syria<\/span> that has <\/span>Israel<\/span> returning the entire Golan will be very good for the <\/span>US<\/span> and <\/span>Israel<\/span>. By refusing to enforce international borders, the <\/span>US<\/span> is shooting itself in the foot and prolonging the life of extremist forces in the <\/span>Middle East<\/span>. <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

If the <\/span>United States<\/span> could get <\/span>Syria<\/span> to sign a peace deal with <\/span>Israel<\/span> as <\/span>Egypt<\/span> and <\/span>Jordan<\/span> have done, it would undermine much of the rational for a one party state in <\/span>Syria<\/span>, for emergency law, military rule, and you name it. The list is a long one. Once <\/span>Syria<\/span> officially recognizes the Jewish state's right to exist in historic <\/span>Palestine<\/span>, Arabism is finished – at least your father's brand of Arabism. The Arabism that claimed that there was one Arab nation stretching from the Atlantic to the Arab Gulf and from the Taurus Mountains to the Arabian Peninsula – the kind of Arabism that is at the heart of the Baath Party. <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

If <\/span>America<\/span> really wanted to undo Baathism in the <\/span>Middle East<\/span> and the ideology that makes it resonate among Arabs, it would get a deal signed between <\/span>Syria<\/span> and <\/span>Israel<\/span>. The Arab-Israeli conflict that we are all so tired of would be over. Then the real conflict that should be waged, the battle over ideas, could be fought in a meaningful way. That is the conflict we are waiting for, but it can only be fought when the land war is over. <\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

I will quote the first paragraphs <\/font>of Rosner's article, but read the entire thing to see how he fails to make any concrete argument other than by listing names of famous people who oppose talking to Syria – and some of these names, such as Denis Ross, are now advocating that the US talk to its enemies, including Syria. <\/font><\/p>\n

In fact, the Guardian has a long article<\/a> explaining that British authorities are signing onto James Baker's plan as it is being advanced by the Iraq Study Group. It calls for engagement with <\/span>Iraq<\/span> and <\/span>Iran<\/span>. The kicker line is: "The Foreign Office is backing the ISG proposal to engage with <\/em><\/span>Iran<\/span> and <\/span>Syria<\/span><\/em>. "We are encouraging them to go with that," a Foreign Office source said." Rosner wants us to believe that NSC's Steven Hadley and Elliott Abrams know better and have a plan that will keep <\/span>Iraq<\/span> from imploding or make Hizbullah disarm.<\/span><\/font> <\/p>\n

Iraq's President, Jalal Talabani<\/a>, also welcomed reports that James Baker's Iraq Study Group would recommend that Washington turn to Syria and Iran for help. Mr Rumsfeld says in his opinion neither Syria nor Iran have been helpful in the past.<\/span> Talabani, however, insisted that Violence in Iraq could end "within months" if Iran and Syria joined efforts<\/a> to stabilise the country.<\/font><\/p>\n

Israel, U.S. agree: Not the time for Syria talks<\/font><\/a>
By Shmuel Rosner
<\/font><\/span>Friday, October 20th, 2006<\/font>
Haaretz<\/font><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

WASHINGTON<\/span> – A few short weeks ago, Public Security Minister Avi Dichter told Army Radio, with regard to talks with <\/span>Syria<\/span>, that "if it turned out that there was someone to talk to and something to talk about, the idea would be right." On Tuesday, however, after his meeting with U.S. National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, Dichter sounded somewhat different. He was for talks "in principle," but at the same time presented three conditions amazingly similar to the unbending American ones: the need for the closing down of the terror organizations in <\/span>Damascus<\/span>, for cessation of support for Hezbollah and of intervention in <\/span>Lebanon<\/span>, and prevention of the entry of terrorists into <\/span>Iraq<\/span> from <\/span>Syria<\/span>. On the third point, Dichter revealed another element: as long as the <\/span>U.S.<\/span> saw a p<\/span>rob<\/span>lem with the Syrian channel, "<\/span>Israel<\/span><\/font> could not ignore it." <\/p>\n

The <\/span>U.S.<\/span> does indeed see a p<\/span>rob<\/span>lem, even a few p<\/span>rob<\/span>lems, when it comes to the possibility of talks between <\/span>Israel<\/span> and <\/span>Syria<\/span>. In the continued approaches by President Bashar Assad, they see a clumsy attempt to escape the siege they have instituted, and perhaps also to escape the possible implications of the Rafik Hariri murder investigation. The <\/span>U.S.<\/span> is thus not interested in seeing <\/span>Israel<\/span> and <\/span>Syria<\/span> move ahead with a separate channel. <\/span><\/font>The fact of the matter is that most of the people who have negotiated with <\/span>Syria<\/span> have advised sounding out Bashar and figuring out what he has to offer. This includes Rabinovich, Baker, Ross, and Kissinger. There are many more, but the point isn't to line up authorities. Politicians beholden to the Bush administration are insisting that <\/span>Israel<\/span> not negotiate. They cannot explain why except to say that Asad is bad and <\/span>Syria<\/span> is bad. <\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

George Ajjan's article on US-Syria relations<\/font><\/a> appeared in "Chronicles." In contrast to Rosner, He claims that Asad is the right person to talk to.  Here are his key paragraphs:<\/font><\/span> <\/p>\n

\n

"<\/span>At a time when <\/span>Washington<\/span> was rolling out the red carpet for PLO leader Abu Mazen, the Syrian regime seemed determined to undermine those efforts, much to the fury of White House officials.  In retrospect, the Bush administration's actions suggested neither a valid assessment of Arab public opinion nor the establishment of <\/span>rob<\/span>ust contingency plans for the pending Palestinian election. Instead, Bush continued to pout, the Palestinians voted, and White House protégé Abu Mazen lost his legitimacy almost overnight, to the benefit of Hamas. Bashar Assad completely outmaneuvered Bush<\/u>. For all the juvenile blunders he and his obtuse cronies committed in Lebanon, Assad, strategically speaking, more than compensated by reading Meshaal's coffee cup like a seasoned pro."<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font>  <\/p>\n

"<\/span>While the Israeli military can inflict major damage on <\/span>Lebanon<\/span> and certainly wage similar air strikes on <\/span>Syria<\/span> with relative impunity, its leaders know that this strategy is not sustainable. Unless <\/span>Israel<\/span><\/font> occupies every square inch of land from which missiles could be launched, the possibility remains for isolated rocket barrages to send tens of thousands of her citizens into bomb shelters.<\/p>\n

Only one force has demonstrated the capability to stop such activities: the military and intelligence services of the countries from which these attacks could be launched<\/u>. The only way that <\/span>Israel<\/span> will be safe in the long term is for these tightly controlled Arab state institutions to deal with internal rogue elements themselves. Essentially, Israelis need the infamous Syrian moukhabarat to work to disrupt terrorists instead of facilitating them.<\/u> They would have to conclude that this outsourcing of crackdowns against militants, which has already been done with <\/span>Egypt<\/span> and <\/span>Jordan<\/span>, would ultimately increase <\/span>Israel<\/span>'s security. Of course, the price for the Syrian and Lebanese governments to switch sides and comply would be "land for peace" treaties that allow those governments to recover some of their dignity."<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font> "Responding to such a proposal would no doubt be the biggest and toughest decision Bashar Assad has faced. He has already navigated a few considerable challenges, and, despite some foolish rookie mistakes, his regime remains solidly in control of <\/span>Syria<\/span>, while his naive opposition is barely functioning. This would be his first true test as a leader and would define his legacy. During his six years as Syrian president, did he tighten relations with Hamas and Hezbollah because of some ideological commitment? Or did he astutely surmise their rising fortunes and merely ride their coattails to a stronger bargaining position with the <\/span>United States<\/span> and <\/span>Israel<\/span>? The answers are unclear, but it is worth the risk to discover them."<\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

<\/font>Simon Dodge<\/font><\/strong>, an old friend and fellow <\/span>Middle East<\/span> hand, is a hero, I discovered a few days ago. [<\/span>Simon Dodge<\/span> is the son of David Dodge, and the late Doris Westfall Dodge, of <\/span>Princeton<\/span>. Born in <\/span>Beirut<\/span>, <\/span>Lebanon<\/span>, he is the son, grandson and great-grandson of former presidents of the <\/span>American<\/span> <\/span>University<\/span> of <\/span>Beirut<\/span>.] I grew up with Simon in <\/span>Beirut<\/span>, who was a next door neighbor on Rue Bliss and in Ainab, a small village above Shimlan, where we spent summers. What did Simon do to make him a hero?<\/span><\/font> <\/p>\n

According to Michael Isikoff and David Corn<\/font><\/a> in their new book, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, <\/font><\/span>Simon Dodge<\/span>, who works for the State Department's intelligence bureau blew the whistle on the fake <\/span>Niger<\/span> "Yellow Cake" documents planted by the Italians. He explained that the papers were a hoax to his colleagues in October 2002, but the vice President's office refused to hear it, claiming State was filled with enemies. CIA buried their copy of the report, and so it went. The President used the false evidence in his January 2003 State of the Union address, and the Vice President still seems to think that Saddam's nuclear program was active.<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/span><\/font><\/div>\n

Israel, U.S. agree: Not the time for Syria talks<\/font><\/a>
By Shmuel Rosner
<\/font><\/span>Friday, October 20th, 2006<\/font>
Haaretz<\/font><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

WASHINGTON<\/span> – A few short weeks ago, Public Security Minister Avi Dichter told Army Radio, with regard to talks with <\/span>Syria<\/span>, that "if it turned out that there was someone to talk to and something to talk about, the idea would be right." On Tuesday, however, after his meeting with U.S. National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley, Dichter sounded somewhat different. He was for talks "in principle," but at the same time presented three conditions amazingly similar to the unbending American ones: the need for the closing down of the terror organizations in <\/span>Damascus<\/span>, for cessation of support for Hezbollah and of intervention in <\/span>Lebanon<\/span>, and prevention of the entry of terrorists into <\/span>Iraq<\/span> from <\/span>Syria<\/span>. On the third point, Dichter revealed another element: as long as the <\/span>U.S.<\/span> saw a p<\/span>rob<\/span>lem with the Syrian channel, "<\/span>Israel<\/span><\/font> could not ignore it." <\/p>\n

The <\/span>U.S.<\/span> does indeed see a p<\/span>rob<\/span>lem, even a few p<\/span>rob<\/span>lems, when it comes to the possibility of talks between <\/span>Israel<\/span> and <\/span>Syria<\/span>. In the continued approaches by President Bashar Assad, they see a clumsy attempt to escape the siege they have instituted, and perhaps also to escape the possible implications of the Rafik Hariri murder investigation. The <\/span>U.S.<\/span> is thus not interested in seeing <\/span>Israel<\/span> and <\/span>Syria<\/span> move ahead with a separate channel. <\/span><\/font>The fact of the matter is that most of the people who have negotiated with <\/span>Syria<\/span> have advised sounding out Bashar and figuring out what he has to offer. This includes Rabinovich, Baker, Ross, and Kissinger. There are many more, but the point isn't to line up authorities. Politicians beholden to the Bush administration are insisting that <\/span>Israel<\/span> not negotiate. They cannot explain why except to say that Asad is bad and <\/span>Syria<\/span> is bad. <\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

George Ajjan's article on US-Syria relations<\/font><\/a> appeared in "Chronicles." In contrast to Rosner, He claims that Asad is the right person to talk to.  Here are his key paragraphs:<\/font><\/span> <\/p>\n

\n

"<\/span>At a time when <\/span>Washington<\/span> was rolling out the red carpet for PLO leader Abu Mazen, the Syrian regime seemed determined to undermine those efforts, much to the fury of White House officials.  In retrospect, the Bush administration's actions suggested neither a valid assessment of Arab public opinion nor the establishment of <\/span>rob<\/span>ust contingency plans for the pending Palestinian election. Instead, Bush continued to pout, the Palestinians voted, and White House protégé Abu Mazen lost his legitimacy almost overnight, to the benefit of Hamas. Bashar Assad completely outmaneuvered Bush<\/u>. For all the juvenile blunders he and his obtuse cronies committed in Lebanon, Assad, strategically speaking, more than compensated by reading Meshaal's coffee cup like a seasoned pro."<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font>  <\/p>\n

"<\/span>While the Israeli military can inflict major damage on <\/span>Lebanon<\/span> and certainly wage similar air strikes on <\/span>Syria<\/span> with relative impunity, its leaders know that this strategy is not sustainable. Unless <\/span>Israel<\/span><\/font> occupies every square inch of land from which missiles could be launched, the possibility remains for isolated rocket barrages to send tens of thousands of her citizens into bomb shelters.<\/p>\n

Only one force has demonstrated the capability to stop such activities: the military and intelligence services of the countries from which these attacks could be launched<\/u>. The only way that <\/span>Israel<\/span> will be safe in the long term is for these tightly controlled Arab state institutions to deal with internal rogue elements themselves. Essentially, Israelis need the infamous Syrian moukhabarat to work to disrupt terrorists instead of facilitating them.<\/u> They would have to conclude that this outsourcing of crackdowns against militants, which has already been done with <\/span>Egypt<\/span> and <\/span>Jordan<\/span>, would ultimately increase <\/span>Israel<\/span>'s security. Of course, the price for the Syrian and Lebanese governments to switch sides and comply would be "land for peace" treaties that allow those governments to recover some of their dignity."<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n

<\/font> "Responding to such a proposal would no doubt be the biggest and toughest decision Bashar Assad has faced. He has already navigated a few considerable challenges, and, despite some foolish rookie mistakes, his regime remains solidly in control of <\/span>Syria<\/span>, while his naive opposition is barely functioning. This would be his first true test as a leader and would define his legacy. During his six years as Syrian president, did he tighten relations with Hamas and Hezbollah because of some ideological commitment? Or did he astutely surmise their rising fortunes and merely ride their coattails to a stronger bargaining position with the <\/span>United States<\/span> and <\/span>Israel<\/span>? The answers are unclear, but it is worth the risk to discover them."<\/span><\/font><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

<\/font>Simon Dodge<\/font><\/strong>, an old friend and fellow <\/span>Middle East<\/span> hand, is a hero, I discovered a few days ago. [<\/span>Simon Dodge<\/span> is the son of David Dodge, and the late Doris Westfall Dodge, of <\/span>Princeton<\/span>. Born in <\/span>Beirut<\/span>, <\/span>Lebanon<\/span>, he is the son, grandson and great-grandson of former presidents of the <\/span>American<\/span> <\/span>University<\/span> of <\/span>Beirut<\/span>.] I grew up with Simon in <\/span>Beirut<\/span>, who was a next door neighbor on Rue Bliss and in Ainab, a small village above Shimlan, where we spent summers. What did Simon do to make him a hero?<\/span><\/font> <\/p>\n

According to Michael Isikoff and David Corn<\/font><\/a> in their new book, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, <\/font><\/span>Simon Dodge<\/span>, who works for the State Department's intelligence bureau blew the whistle on the fake <\/span>Niger<\/span> "Yellow Cake" documents planted by the Italians. He explained that the papers were a hoax to his colleagues in October 2002, but the vice President's office refused to hear it, claiming State was filled with enemies. CIA buried their copy of the report, and so it went. The President used the false evidence in his January 2003 State of the Union address, and the Vice President still seems to think that Saddam's nuclear program was active.<\/span><\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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