Fawaz Gerges is always worth listening to:

Gerges said, “the Syrian protesters know very well they must take ownership of their revolution. It will take time, it will be prolonged, it will be bloody, it will be costly and it will take, in fact, years as opposed to months. But the reality is there is no other way for them, given the complexity and the difficulty of the Syrian case.”

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Syria–Restraint-in-the-Face-of-Repression-128881548.html

Thank you Prof. Landis for sharing the Al-Jisr story. It makes sense and is corroborated by news we heard from different sources about the events there.

Correction @2.

Thank you Prof. Landis for sharing the Al-Jisr story by Sheila.

Usually when 20,000 to 40,000 soldiers defect, they take with them their vehicles, AFVs and assorted weapons. Moreover, this usually entails the defections or stand-down of whole units or defections of entire subunits. I’ve yet to see evidence of this scale of defection occuring in Syria. Anyone have photo or video evidence of such?

I’m also curious as to how these numbers were quantified. Have whole units or subunits (or their conscripted elements) been scratched from the Syrian Army order of battle? Again, anyone have specific evidence of this taking place?

From the article in #1 I should have used the following quote:

There’s a lesson there for Syria, says Zunes. “As the nonviolent struggle wears on, the middle class and certain privileged groups that have benefited from the Assad regime, while they might not like Assad that much, are starting to defect.” And as the economic impact of disruptions and international sanctions begins to hit them, Zunes says, he sees signs that the middle class is beginning to notice that the opposition is remarkably nonviolent, despite “severe provocation” by the regime.

“They’re thinking to themselves, ‘Maybe if these guys take over, it won’t be so bad,’” Zunes adds.

“Usually when 20,000 to 40,000 soldiers defect, they take with them their vehicles, AFVs and assorted weapons”

Um no, not if they defect in small groups and in trickles, and if their main concern is getting away and staying alive. How far do you imagine a tank and APC can travel on a tank of gas? Pretty hard to drive one all the way to Lebanon or Turkey without arousing suspicion.

But as far as light arms are concerned…yes, they do get away with those when they can.

Thank you professor Landis for that version of events in Jisr al Shoghour. It confirmed what I’ve been saying all along.

I think its worth revisiting Fawaz Gerges interview on AJE in mid August.

Sanctions could ‘tip the balance of power’ in Syria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3Nuo_x5lgQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Another comprehensive interview with Mr Gerges is due. Are you reading this AJ, BBC, CNN etc?

The moment has come to assemble into groups focusing on what can we as expatriate do, to build our country. A country that has been neglected for half a century, it is a challenge.

By putting our differences behind, and by looking to the future ahead, many are already forming groups to discuss how, so when the moment comes, and Syria is back to all Syrians, as EQUALS, ACTION and not discussions will take place.

Dr. Landis,

I listened to the above discussion. Mr. Monajed’s strategy seems to center on pushing the wealthy business community and army officers to both turn their backs on the leadership and defect. Surely, this is easier said than done. Can Mr. Monajed pick a prominent business man in the country and describe precisely what he expects him to do? Is he aware of the risks that this person will take? Similarly, is he aware of the kind of risks that any army deserter is taking? These individuals are basically done. They will need to go in hiding till this is all over (years per Mr. Gerges?). “Freedom is priceless and has costs” indeed as he concluded. It just sounds to me that some are expected to pay a much higher price than others. I guess this is natural. I just wish that his strategy was explained with a little more specificity or may be I am just over-complicating things.

Ehsani, you aren’t over complicating things. Unfortunately, Monajed sounded like someone who just felt he needed to come up with on-the-moment answers, without really thinking things through.

The only way the self-centered merchant class are going to dump the regime, is if they think the cost to their interests are more severe if the regime stays. If humane concerns were going to move them, they would have been moved by now. So we can deduce that the whole scale murder of their fellow citizens will not compel them to turn against the regime.

And so the stakes must be raised, to such an extent that the bean counters come to the inevitable conclusion, that sticking by this regime is more trouble than it is worth.

Aboud,

As of this moment, not a single prominent businessman has publicly stated his dissatisfaction with the way things have turned out thus far. This is not because they don’t think that things are bad and that they will get worse. Everything I hear tells me that they do. I would still submit to you that not a single one of them will take a public stand and even lodge a mild mannered complaint.

Mr. Monajed and almost everyone else is yet to describe a credible, feasible and realistic scenario for regime change. I keep hearing that this is a “popular uprising” and therefore things will go the way they expect but I must say that I am still not convinced.

Most if not all of the prominent businessmen will wait until the last minute before they switch sides and give their vocal support to the revolution. What they care about are their interests. Period. As Aboud has mentioned, human suffering is not on their agenda.

Ehsani and Aboud

I share your view. It is very difficult for me to imagine how having business men turning against the regime will facilitate the revolution victory. For a revolution to win without physical foreign intervention, I only see either a complete economic collapse where the regime can not pay their thugs salary, a coup, or massive army defection which essentially means armed resistance.

Dear Prof Landis
Is it difficult to make a discussion with any of the Syrian officials like Ambassador Iemad Mustfa or Bashar Al-jaafary?
you always publish discussions with people like Ammar abdulhameed and Ousama Munajed who try to play the role of Ahmad Jalby ,the Iraqi politician, who had invited US to invade Iraq……
Is this a propaganda for Iraqi Scenario in Syria?????

Coup is not probable,since the majority of the army are Alawite.
Most rich business elite made their money in a devious way,they bribed goverment officials,I do not expect them to defect.
those in the army ,who defected,they become worthless.
we should not forget that Syria has special situation, winter is coming soon,rain and cold days will work against the demonstrators,time is important,I believe October is the last month they can use to demonstrate.In december the USA will leave Iraq.at least that is what has been said.
Either foreign involvement,or arming the people,however,may be it is getting late for arming the people.

Off topic (forgive me- I wanted to share.)

Pictures of PM Erodgan & family visiting Somalia.

http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=283560

@15 Majed

The cold weather will more likely annoy the soldiers and cause more defections..lol. I dont think the Shabeeha will be too happy either. They will expect a pay increase in wintery conditions.

*** AAAH THE TRUTH IS OUT ON WHO IS ARMING THE KURDS ***

Israel Foreign Minister Floats Punishment for Turkey – SEPTEMBER 9, 2011

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904836104576559960248614524.html

Mr. Lieberman, in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot, said he planned to arrange meetings with representatives of the Kurdish Workers Party, or PKK, in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and to see that they are strengthened in every conceivable realm.”

Mr. Lieberman, however, said in his interview that the foreign ministry was preparing a “tool box” of retaliatory measures. “We will exact a price from Erdogan, a price that will prove to him that it doesn’t pay to start with Israel,” Mr. Lieberman told the newspaper.

Other retaliatory measures Mr. Lieberman envisaged included a warning to Israelis against traveling to Turkey; a diplomatic assault to highlight allegations of human-rights violations on minority groups in Turkey; and cooperation with Armenians in Washington to secure formal recognition of the 1915 Ottoman slaughter of ethnic Armenians as genocide.

*** SHORT and SWEET ***

I agree with khaldoon, defection coup are unlikely. I disagree about his idea of admin people cuz they are already armed. The amount of weapons and missiles that the Army captured is unbelievable. The people despite being armed failed to do anything. The fate of the armed gangs is dismal as the desperate khaldoon tone in his previous post.

Real Syrian
I agree with u, it’s funny that the people u mentioned is the leaders of this revolution. Let them speak and vent. You need to head the other side and if this what got, then just listen and laugh

Aboud,

“…And so the stakes must be raised, to such an extent that the bean counters come to the inevitable conclusion, that sticking by this regime is more trouble than it is worth”.

I agree. But how do you do it?
.

To #4. Pirouz,
I do not have any proof of the 20 to 40 thousand number, neither does my brother. The news are based on word of mouth. What he knows for sure is that the Jabal Alzawieh region is in a state of war. We do have family and friends there. It makes sense that there is a large number of defectors battling the regime, however exactly how many is anybody’s guess.

Things wealthy businessmen can do:

Leave the country sacrificing part of their wealth and denouncing Asads. They can help exposing the inner working of the regime.

Looking after the families of the dead & injured and those in jail

Buying important information & videos from corrupt officers

Possibly even orchestring an assassination given their financial resources. If not of the regime head then smaller figures

Encouraging their contacts in the diplomatic field abroad to defect promising them shelter & money

Supporting the FSA & FOM financially

They need to be creative … they are businessmen after all !!

Traditionally revolutions were carried out by the educated middle and the working class. There will be those in the upper class who care about public affair and will often have a leadership position (Hnano from Syrian history). They will be a chosen few though.

The regime is getting weaker everyday. I admit the strength of the regime was underestimated by many. The final blow will come from abroad. I doubt it will take years.

A coup is unlikely to happen due to the complex internal structure of the army and security services.

There is no easy way out of this crisis… ALL (oppositions and current government) should swallow their pride and unconditionally agree that they have an important work to do on behalf of all Syrians to create and implement “The Blue Print of New Syria” where every one lives in democracy, enjoys freedom, liberty and has the same opportunity to prosper regardless of his/ her religious or political association…
Anything less will be short-lived.

Here we are talking about the silence of the business community in Syria stemming out of self interest, forgetting the price that one pays speaking up in that God forsaken country. Most business men and women in Syria hate the regime and can not wait to see its back. Doing business in Syria is like pulling teeth. Dealing with the government can bring you premature death. Unless you are willing to go to prison, see your 12 year old son being tortured or your 14 year old daughter raped, you are going to stay silent. It is a miracle we are where we are today. It took a lot of courageous men and women to get here, but to expect and demand every person to have this courage is unrealistic and very unfair.
Look at all of us. Except for Haytham the brave posting his real name. We are all hiding behind fictitious names because we are worried about our families back home. Can you imagine living there and having to confront those criminals?

I forgot to tell you one more very important thing that my brother told me: there is no “mazot” in Aleppo.

Dr Haytham,this is an article for you:

http://www.lorientlejour.com/category/%C3%80+La+Une/article/721438/Syrie_%3A_quand_le_clerge_decoit_les_activistes_chretiens.html

The problem of the syrian christians are their church leaders who are comparable to hassoun.There is as much mukhabarat spies in christian Sunday mass than in the friday prayer of the muslims.
But the reality is known ,the regime tried hard to push the christians of Mhardeh which is becoming the largest christian city in Syria to go to the street in pro-regime demos but failed.
Mhardeh never betrayed Hama and its culture of coexistence.

Dr. Haytham
I take all your comments in good will, I find nothing in your posts to be sectarian, mischevious or bad. Im glad Syria has people like you.
I bought up the toshet nasara story to highlight the social cohesion between damascus’s sects. I know for a fact that the people of midan( an opposition stronghold) hosted a lot of Christian refugees. Infact some midani family’s received gifts from Russia and France for protecting chrisitians.
Sheila, there isn’t any diesel in Damascus also…..thanks for lowering the price of diesel besho!!!!

Real Syrian asks:

Dear Prof Landis
Is it difficult to make a discussion with any of the Syrian officials like Ambassador Iemad Mustfa or Bashar Al-jaafary?
you always publish discussions with people like Ammar abdulhameed and Ousama Munajed who try to play the role of Ahmad Jalby,the Iraqi politician, who had invited US to invade Iraq…… Is this a propaganda for Iraqi Scenario in Syria?

Dear Real Syrian:

I have been told that Ambassador Moustafa began to consider me to be “part of the revolution” from the first weeks of the uprising. I tried to speak to him once, but he would not talk to me. I have not tried since.

“real” syrian
assadist officials are only good at monologues…..talk, talk , talk is all they do. convince,debate and justify , they do not.
example:
buthaina, besho, muallem.

to sf94123 “9- The Syrian people must decide how and when.

I am afraid the Syrian people have little say in the matter. Bashar will decide if and when.

Good-faith Dialogue is the only way to move forward

…for that the nizam will have to drop its guns

Sheila, I have reposted your report on Aleppo and Jisr Ash-shughour on my facebook page. It is so good to have first hand news. Wish my Syrian friends could read you. They feel lost.

Totally agree with “the price that one pays speaking up ”

and Josh : I have been told that Ambassador Moustafa began to consider me to be “part of the revolution” from the first weeks of the uprising. I tried to speak to him once, but he would not talk to me. I have not tried since.
That should rebrand you in the eyes of some of your critics.

I am happy that his excellency does not want to talk to prof Landis. Tara can stand suboptimal intelligence when stupidity stands on its own, and sometimes she likes arrogantly smart people but can not stand both together in one persona, arrogantly stupid.

I am sorry moderator! Could not help it. I met the guy twice and I heard him on the radio. That was an honest opinion!

Dear Joshua

‘I have been told that Ambassador Moustafa began to consider me to be “part of the revolution” from the first weeks of the uprising. I tried to speak to him once, but he would not talk to me. I have not tried since.’

please try again !

Where is Beaware?

A Syrian German Hero ,has defected for the sake of Syria.

Aleppo will end the regime.

Those are the real syrians who will rebuild Syria ,the criminal bashar and his gang are cursed for ever.

Majed

“Coup is not probable,since the majority of the army are Alawite.”

No, the majority are not Alawites. Not even the majority of soldiers are Alawite.

“October is the last month they can use to demonstrate”

I honestly do not understand how you came to that conclusion. What does the American army being in Iraq have to do with the demonstrations?

Professor Landis said;

“I have been told that Ambassador Moustafa began to consider me to be “part of the revolution” from the first weeks of the uprising”

It is easy to see how a narrow minded person like Imad Mustapha would take offense to some of professor Landis’ writings. We are known by the friends we keep, and the enemies we make. Imad Mustapha will try to weasel himself into professor Landis’ good graces when the former is facing deportation charges after the regime falls.

Amir

“I agree. But how do you do it?”

Civil war. A course I wish we did not have to go down, but I see no reason why the regime should be allowed to pursue genocide in Hama, Latakia, Dar’a, Deir el Zour and Homs with impunity. People have a right to defend themselves.

Since the business and military elite will not act as a barrier to the Besho tyranny, and the international community have proven utterly toothless, it will be up to the Syrian people to defend themselves.

Muhammad

“I admit the strength of the regime was underestimated by many”

What people underestimated was how much the regime could get away with. Invading cities to put down demonstrations is no more a sign of strength, than borrowing massively to finance an opulent lifestyle is a sign of wealth. I did not imagine that the military and business elite, as well as the international community, would prove so utterly inept in checking the barbarity of this regime.

Sheila

“forgetting the price that one pays speaking up in that God forsaken country.”

I’ve seen firsthand, people risk everything, and publicly going against this regime. Sheikhs, and prominent Homsi businessmen included (but not Anbuba, darn it).

However, I read something that stayed stuck in my mind all through tonight’s demonstration. Someone said that you can’t expect people to jump a ship, if there is no other ship to jump to. Not even people who were on the Titanic were willing to jump into icy waters.

I think we haven’t been focused enough on giving people an alternative. Many Syrians have been brave enough to risk all, and go up against this regime, without asking for anything at all, except the chance to do so. Such bravery and resilience is extraordinary, but we can’t, in all honesty, expect such heroism from every human being.

It says alot about the incredibly odious and despicable nature of this regime, that so many Syrians have turned against it, despite not knowing what the alternative will be. We owe it to them to provide an alternative. We need to tell people what the day after Besho will be like. Even religions don’t expect their followers to strive without the promise of a heaven afterwards.

While the Syrian people should be allowed to defend themselves, as much focus and energy should be committed to providing an alternative leadership to the Baath. And trust me, when your competition is junior, it really won’t take much to come up with a better alternative.

“We are all hiding behind fictitious names because we are worried about our families back home”

Well, even when you aren’t fighting a murderous tyranny, posting your full name on the Internet is a bad idea, unless you have a very good reason for it. But people have asked how I can be a Homsi and still have excellent English skills. It’s time I came clean. I am the only Homsi who could possibly speak excellent English, and still hate Besho. I am really his wife.

:p

Dear Shami,
“Aleppo will end the regime” I think the regime thinks so too. People in Aleppo feel like the regime has assigned a Shabeeh for every citizen. Aleppo is too far for them from Damascus and too close to the Turkish border with lots of ties to Turkey whether familial or commercial. They loose control of Aleppo, they loose this war.

# 30

Every body knows that a genuine reform is the only way out of this crisis. Our priority is to redraft the constitution to pave the way for an early and fair election. Individual can not influence events in Syria anymore. Please have more faith in your fellow Syrians.

Dear SGID @27:

I have no doubt about the public cohesion between Christians and Muslims in Syria. This is what I tried to say. I lived in Syria in neighborhood that is a mixture of Christians and Muslims. I never felt any sentiment from them but respect and sympathy.
Please sorry if I was a little bit aggressive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/world/middleeast/09iran.html

In Shift, Iran’s President Calls for End to Syrian Crackdown
Published: September 8, 2011
 
……

But that alliance is now strained, and on Thursday, President Ahmadinejad of Iran became the most recent, and perhaps the most unexpected, world leader to call for President Assad to end his violent crackdown of an uprising challenging his authoritarian rule in Syria.

When the Arab Spring broke out, upending the regional order, Iran seemed to emerge a winner: its regional adversary, Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, was ousted from power and its most important ally, Syria, was emboldened.

But the popular demands for change swept into Syria, and now, as Mr. Assad’s forces continue to shoot unarmed demonstrators, Iran sees its fortunes fading on two fronts: its image as a guardian of Arab resistance has been battered, and its most important regional strategic ally is in danger of being ousted.

Even while it has been accused of providing financial and material support for Mr. Assad’s crackdown, Iran has increased calls for Syria to end the violence and reform its political process, a formula Tehran apparently hopes will repair its image and, if heeded, possibly bolster Mr. Assad’s standing.

“Regional nations can assist the Syrian people and government in the implementation of essential reforms and the resolution of their problems,” Mr. Ahmadinejad said in an interview in Tehran, according to his official Web site. Other press accounts of the interview with a Portuguese television station quoted him as also saying, “A military solution is never the right solution,” an ironic assessment from a man whose own questionable re-election in 2009 prompted huge street demonstrations that were put down with decisive force.

The collapse of the Assad government would be a strategic blow to Shiite-majority Iran, cutting off its most important bridge to the Arab world while empowering its main regional rivals, Saudi Arabia and its increasingly influential competitor, Turkey, both Sunni-majority nations. Iran would also lose its main arms pipeline to Hezbollah in Lebanon, further undermining its ambition to be the primary regional power from the Levant to Pakistan.

Not long ago, Iran and its Arab allies like Hezbollah’s leader, Hassan Nasrallah, were seen as folk heroes to many Arabs for their confrontational stance toward the United States and Israel.

But Iran has suddenly found itself on the wrong side of the barricades.

“Assad’s heroic image of resistance is being watered down,” said Vali Nasr, a professor at Tufts University and the author of “The Shia Revival: How Conflicts Within Islam Will Shape the Future.” “That’s the problem for Iran and for Hezbollah. They are trying to find out how to have their cake and eat it, too.”

Demonstrators clogging the streets from Tunisia to Egypt to Syria are demanding freedom and democracy, forcing Iran to openly struggle with the problem of how to endorse the revolutionary spirit while simultaneously buttressing its crucial strategic Arab ally.

“They don’t fit into the framework of toppling dictators and democracy and all that,” said Paul Salem, director of the Carnegie Middle East Center in Lebanon.

Yet many analysts say that the Iranians have tried to play both sides of the barricades, supporting their allies in Syria with all manner of aid while simultaneously voicing support for the revolutions elsewhere, initially calling them the offspring of their own 1979 revolution.

“It is mostly for the Arab gallery, rather than a tangible policy shift,” said Cengiz Candar, a prominent Turkish columnist. “In terms of the Syrian opposition, there is nobody Iran can stand on in case the regime is replaced.”

Iran has been helping Syria with everything from money to advice on controlling the Internet, analysts say, offering its expertise to help stave off the catastrophe that Mr. Assad’s collapse would be for Tehran’s regional ambitions. Aside from propping up Syria with billions of dollars, it has pressed others, including Iraq, to support Mr. Assad.

more…

Some advice to the Syrian opposition leadership; stop trying to please everyone, from the Europeans to the Americans to the Russians to the Gulf, and even trying to please all Syrians. It is impossible, not even the prophets could do it.

Stand for something, even if it offends some people. People want to see strong leadership, not a weak policy of appeasement to every party. Be strong in your convictions, and people will forgive you any nagging doubts they may have.

Which is one of junior’s fatal mistakes. At least Hafez told people what his stand was, and stuck by it.

His son, instead, tells the UN Sectary General that he’s stopped all military operations, and then his goons kill even more people. He says he gave orders not to fire on demonstrators, and the next day his goons kill a dozen. He promises reforms without being in the least bit sincere about implementing them. He came across as a weakling, sustained only by 4000 tanks.

Sf number
That would’ve sounded well back in 2010.

Dear Shami @26:

I am disappointed from the Heads and the clergy of the churches. I am giving Ignatius Hazem the benefits of the doubt. In the past, he was the only strong defiant of Hafez al-Assad dictatorship. I am disappointed by his attitude now. I am saying to myself that may be he is too old and he started to have dementia or he is very old and counting on people who are giving him bad advices. I hoped that I could go to Damascus to discover why they are disappointing me.

28″Dear Real Syrian:I have been told that Ambassador Moustafa began to consider me to be “part of the revolution” from the first weeks of the uprising. I tried to speak to him once, but he would not talk to me. I have not tried since”

I love it, that means the Syrian goverment is very bold and I like it when the administration gets bold. I think the Syrian goverment lately has not been considering the stand of Iran either. Lately we heard Ahmadeenejad statements against the regime, which has no echo in Syria. At times you need to be firm and take care of your own welfair. I do not think that the opinion of Dr. Landis or others would really matter now or would solve the problem. I agree Dr. Landis website became the real facebook of the Syrian revolution. The random killing this revolution has brought to innocent Syrian minorities has to stop. People lately are getting killed according to their ID and name (Alwai versus none); if you are Alawi; you are killed. Syria is not a forest and should not be a forest. Regardless of what Gulf leaders, western leaders, and even political analysists say; the last word in this matter is for the Syrian goverment and I like it when they get bold. This is not a time to discuss “why are you doing this and that” while the majority of Syrians are living in fear from their other fellow Syrians, and fear from the future.
Good job Imad Mustafa

http://www.shamlife.com/?page=show_det&select_page=9&id=7187
Batrak Ra’ee may not be on the same page as Jajaa of the LFs and Hariri
I tend to agree with Mr Gereges assessment that a quick collapse of the regime is not likely,but this also means a prolonged period of bloodshed and suffering,economic and psychological for Syrians. A coup is difficult but not impossible,I have not lost hope that Bashar will depart with the regime most unpopular figures leaving behind less controversial officials who will share a unity government that implement ,in action not in words, a reform that may calm the streets prior to parliamentary and presidential elections.
Bashar will be a weak and unpopular president if he stays,and it is time that community and army leaders abandon him and his family for the sake of the country.
As for a direct foreign intervention,it is still unlikely and I hope it will never happen.
Finally,Syrians have a lot of weapons which I hope they are only used for self defense and not part of a destructive “jihad” against the Syrian army or the state in general…

@ss
We don’t put religion on our Id cards.
There were no targeted sectarian killings or any attempts…….al saleeb church anybody??
The majority of syrians are living in fear….from the regime…

Shaykh Kraiyem Rajeh has be banned from public speaking. He must have crossed the line in last week’s Friday sermon. There was nothing in it inciting to violence and he never asked people to go out since the pursing began, yet he was removed from his post as the khateeb/imam of the Hasan Mosque in Midan. If anyone one had any doubts about the bleak future of free speech in Syria, he/she should dispel them.

http://ar-ar.facebook.com/notes/???-??????-????-????-????/????-??????-0209-2011-????-??????-????-????-????/244619738906616

Aboud,I know you are not waiting for people to praise your ability to speak eloquently and make sense at a time when many people seem unable to use their “upper floor” properly.
We have the right to disagree but I am not going to pass this opportunity to express my gratitude for your patriotism and my admiration for your energy. I hope to see you in person when the regime is history and the Shabeehas are in prison (or in Shabeehastan)..
Do not get overconfident if you are in Syria,take precautions and stay safe,you certainly have something good to offer to the country we both love..
(I would like to talk about those alternatives later)..

SGID: Yes we put your birth registration place and some people have the name of their village on their ID. If you are from the village you are done. I can also give you an example of my Uncle who was stopped in the 1980s when MB gangs used to stop cars and check their IDs, he was fortunate that the MBs could not identify him well. They thought he was from Tartus the city, and his last name sounded sunni.
Yes Alawis have been spotted and have been killed. I am not talking about Shabeeha, and army men. I am talking about innocent people like Janoud who left to Banyas to sell his vegetables in the market. Islamist Radicals are brutal and one of the natural disasters on humanity

“Syria is not a forest and should not be a forest. ”

*facepalm*

Please, please take a course in English. A forest brings to mind Bamby and trees and exotic birds. You mean you don’t want Syria to turn into a jungle (it’s been a jungle for 40 years, and what do you call arming drug addicts and car thieves to do your dirty work for you?)

“People lately are getting killed according to their ID and name (Alwai versus none); if you are Alawi; you are killed. ”

Name me one Alawi who has been killed this way. What you are suggesting implies that gangs have set up checkpoints, at which cars patiently line up to show their ID. Bullshit. Every single Alawite family in Homs has been armed, every Alawite village has a gazzillion shabihas in it. The only checkpoints in the cities are military ones.

Or else what use is your military occupation of the cities if gangs can set up their own checkpoints? Sounds like a very inept army you have there.

“Yes we put your birth registration place and some people have the name of their village on their ID”

Dear God man, when was the last time you visited Syria? There are people who have lived in the Gulf all their lives, but have their “Amana” or “Qaid” or place of registration as some village near the Lebanese border.

Again, name me one Alawite who has been killed this way. What salafi check point was he killed at?

Dear Josh,

It would be interesting if you interviewed representatives of the various religions/sects in Syria. On the Sunni/Sufi side, I suggest interviewing Shaikh Muhammad Alyakubi. He seems like a reasonable person and speaks good English. On the Christian, Alawi, Durzi, and Ismaeli side, I am sure commenters on this blog can suggest names.

49: ABoud: When do you think the regime will fall?
I liked the question asked to Mr. Monajed.
Give us a time table of the collapse: years, 3 years….Monajed said: I hone not years; I cannot give you exact time, perhaps days, weeks, but which x day or x week. Monajed seemed very confident and tried to avoid the word year.

How about you Mr. Aboud. You said before that Ramadan would be the month. Did not happen.

Would love to hear your analysis. You failed before but perhaps now you could give some accurate insight and help answer the question that Mr. Monajed was shoking in it

Abughassan, thank you, and I owe you an apology. Here I was, advocating an extreme course of action, without doing my part to exhaust all the alternatives. You have been very patient with me throughout these weeks.

Living in Homs, it is obvious to me that the regime must go. I don’t question it, getting rid of the regime is the overriding aim of my waking hours.

But someone has to think of the DAB, the Day After Besho. It is unfair to ask people to jump ship, if you can’t provide them with a ship to jump to. Jahiliya Arabs did not leave their idol worshiping until Islam came along.

“You said before that Ramadan would be the month. ”

No I didn’t. Go back, and point to where I said the regime would fall by Ramadan. I said it will take as long as it will take, and when things start to fall apart, they will do so at a very great speed, just like they did for Mr Zinga Zinga.

And er…”shoking in it”? Even I can’t figure out what you meant to say there.

Erdogan drives toward armed clash with Israel. Oil and gas at stake

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report September 9, 2011

http://www.debka.com/article/21282/

Erdogan plans to send his warships into this water for two missions:

1. To split the Israel’s small Navy into two heads – one for sustaining the blockade against Gaza and one for safeguarding the gas and oil rigs opposite its shores.

2. To scare Israel into the full or partial stoppage of its offshore oil and gas operations, thereby robbing it of energy power status and substantial economic gains. Erdogan is determined never to let Israel overshadow Turkey in the regional stakes and will put a stop to the Jewish state’s progress – even if military aggression is called for.

Erdogan is driven to assert Turkey’s importance additionally by the way he was shouldered aside in Libya. Ankara invested heavily in its support for the Libyan rebels. But when British, French, Jordanian and Qatari special forces stormed Tripoli on Aug. 21 and overthrew the Qaddafi regime, Turkey was left behind and forgotten in the heat of the action.

From Ankara, the Turkish leader watches the sharing out of Libyan oil as the spoils of war among the Western powers and Qatar as an outsider.

Aboud

Remember all the people who died, tortured, imprisoned, and humiliated. Remember all the mothers who lost their children and also remember how forgiving Syrian Sunnis are throughout history and then you do not have to worry about DAB. Had Syrian Sunnis been sectarian, they won’t have allowed papa Hafiz to build a whole army empire made of exclusively of Alawis who call the shot. They should have not allowed any instrumental position except through a quota. If we have a balanced army, it would have protected the people not killed them!

“Erdogan drives toward armed clash with Israel”

*facepalm* Dude, Erdogan is not going to go to war with Israel. Geeesh. It’s all grandstanding to make up for his feeble failure with Besho.

A soldier and Aleppo Law School graduate with dual Syrian/German citizenship announces his defection. Most of his address is in German. Sprechen sie Deutsch?

Tara, all the deaths and and atrocities the regime has committed has made the regime deeply unpopular. But just despising the regime isn’t enough; people have to believe they can make a change, and they have to know what they are working to change to.

Look at what’s happening in Cairo. Apparently, the Egyptian people have for years resented their country’s peace treaty with Israel, and yet it was only now that they felt they could do something about it.

The vast majority of Syrians want this regime gone, but we owe it to them to explain what is waiting for them once this regime is gone. We owe it to them give them a leadership and program to get behind. How detailed that program has to be is debatable; we don’t need a shadow government in waiting, but at least a clear plan on what will happen on the DAB.

We do not live in a world where atrocities, even in one’s own country, is enough for some people to risk their present AND their future unless they have been directly affected by such atrocities.

For the first time, I’ve started to wonder what my position would have been had I lived in Aleppo or abroad. Would I have felt sorry for my fellow countrymen, but shrugged my shoulders and said there was nothing I could do? I condemn people who stay silent, but I’ve come to realize that our job would be so much more easier if we gave them a *clear* alternative. It doesn’t have to be detailed, with 5 year plans etc, but they need to know what awaits them.

And thank goodness our competition is the discredited Baathist regime, that has all by itself, managed to alienate every ally and friend in the country and abroad.

Thousands protest in Tahrir Square at lack of change

Saturday, September 10, 2011

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0910/1224303851392.html

TENS OF thousands of Egyptians yesterday returned to Cairo’s iconic Tahrir Square and to the streets of other cities and towns across the country to take part in rallies to “correct the path” of the revolution launched last January.

In Cairo, 30,000 men, women and children carrying banners and flags poured into Tahrir Square from near and distant quarters to register frustration over the lack of change since president Hosni Mubarak was toppled in mid-February. They chanted, “Everything is the same after the revolution,” and demanded a timetable for an end to military rule.

They rejected summary military trials to which 12,000 detained activists have been subjected since the 18-day uprising and called for abrogation of draconian laws against freedom of assembly and the press imposed by the generals who exercise presidential power.

The massive turnout in spite of a boycott by the Muslim Brotherhood and other fundamentalist groups showed that the secular camp, the force behind the up- rising, can still take command of the streets. Police and troops vacated Tahrir Square ahead of the demonstration and avoided confrontation with protesters else- where.

Among personalities addressing the Tahrir rally was Abdel Hakim Abdel Nasser, son of still revered president Gamal Abdel Nasser, and two police commanders who testified at Mr Mubarak’s trial that his interior minister Habib al-Adly had ordered the police to use live fire against protesters during the uprising, killing 846 and wounding 5,500.

Some 2,000 protesters assembled outside the Israeli embassy and dismantled sections of a high wall built recently around the building while some marched to the interior ministry to condemn continued police violence against protesters, strikers and football fans and others made for the high court to demand a purge of Mubarak-era judges.

In Syria, five deaths were reported by opposition activists during demonstrations in several cities and towns calling for international monitors and an end to the regime of president Bashar al-Assad.

“Calling for international intervention is a sensitive issue that could be used by the regime to label its opponents as traitors,” stated Ahmad Khatib, a spokes- man for the revolutionary council, an umbrella opposition grouping. “We are calling for . . . observers as a first step.” Western powers that have intervened militarily in Libya have rejected such involvement in Syria.

While the opposition insists protests are peaceful, the government contends it is combating a foreign conspiracy to destroy Syria and accuses “armed terrorist groups” slaying 500 members of the security forces.

The regime’s line has failed to impress the West and Turkey, where prime minister Erdogan, a former ally, has been sharply critical of the crackdown that human rights groups say has killed 2,200.

However, Russian president Dmitry Medvedev – whose country has rejected tough sanctions on the Syrian regime – has said the opposition does include “armed groups” and some elements who could “even be described as terrorists.”

Human Rights Watch has said Syrian security agents “forcibly removed 18 wounded people” from a hospital in the restive city of Homs on Thursday and prevented medics from treating others.

“Snatching wounded people from the operating room is inhumane and illegal, not to mention life threatening,” stated Human Rights Watch regional director Leah Whitson.

Giving Syrians a clear roadmap for the day after is what the regime and the gulf emirates fear the most. I am glad this line of thinking is gaining traction and I hope to start hearing more specifics on the subject. Syria’s enemy do not want a simple regime change,they want chaos and a puppet government that does what is being told. Expect a lot of opposition from those goat lovers and their friends to any credible plan that does not include massive bloodshed and total chaos,it is likely that advocates of a political solution will become the new targets of the regime hardliners and “creative chaos” heroes alike.
Syria is strong when its citizens stay united,denounce violence and insist on a better government and a new system ruled by laws not loyalty.
I will never give up on Syria even though I am not likely to go back except to visit and give,but I see it as the region’s last hope for diversity,creativism and tolerance…

Aboud “Look at what’s happening in Cairo. Apparently, the Egyptian people have for years resented their country’s peace treaty with Israel, and yet it was only now that they felt they could do something about it”

I do not think is happy about what took place in Egypt today. This type of radical islamic violence would threaten Israel in the region. I think this is very sad news for Israel as Egypt seems to be in the hands of Islamists, the next online is Syria. I do not see any bright future for the state of Israel if it surrounded by islamic states with radical agendas.

Syrian goverment despite its alliance with Iran and HA still has some room to make political deals. Its all about politics. Islmaists would not consider Israel. Israel has no room in their mind. It would be a total disaster to bring Islamists.

SS#61,

That is one of the rare benefit to the Egyptian revolution, getting Egypt back with the Arab fold will get Israel to see the light and make peace with the Syrian and Palestinians before it is too late,

Norman “That is one of the rare benefit to the Egyptian revolution, getting Egypt back with the Arab fold will get Israel to see the light and make peace with the Syrian and Palestinians before it is too late”

What light you are talking about; the light of fire??
Islamists will make no deal with the state of Israel. What we have seen today is a major escalation and a serious rdical islamic threat. The region is falling to the MBs Norman. The christians will become an endangered species in this region. Israel will face the same fate. Hamas till now would not consider the state of Israel. HOw can you make peace with people who do not aknowledge your existence.

Looking at what is going on in Syria reminds with the two women who came to Mosses claiming a baby as their own, Mosses asked them to hold the baby, one from each side and pull and told them that the woman that can pull the baby to her side will take him,

The real mother let go of the baby so he will not be harmed,

Unfortunately,

Syria does not seem to have a real mother,

So Sad, So sad, So Sad,,,

SS,

The only way for Israel to seek peace give back the Golan and give the Palestinians their right is for Israel to have fear, after peace between Israel and Egypt Israel felt that it does not have to give anything and that is why no peace followed camp David, Israel just did not have fear, what is going on in Egypt might bring back that fear that is in the long run for the benefit of Israel, only peace and recognition can secure Israel future while war sooner or later will bring the demise to Israel.

HA-and Iran theocracy are prototype Islamist. Besho self- proclaimed legitimacy comes from his pseudo-support of the resistance. He can never be a part of a long lasting just peace. Real peace is a peace that is agreed on by people and not made by a tyrant.

It amazes me that the same people who get very “offended” from Mamnhebaks on SC “exchanging niceties” ( per some one description) with Israelis are the one who are showing concern of what is happening in Cairo today and rushing to imply that Besho is Israel only hope for peace. By doing so, those mnhebaks are hoping to scare Israel off from the Islamist bogeyman and therefore affecting the international opinion. A desperate attempt already tried by Rami Makhlouf.

A Just peace is a genuine desire to decent people. A tyrant and his supporters are not decent.

Three items to watch for the next few days:
– developments in Egypt
– results of the surprising position by the Lebanese Batrak Al-Ra’ee
– outcome of Al-arabi’s visit to Damascus
The rhetoric by ahmadinajad is not as significant as some people think,Iran is posturing but not repositioning.
The pressure on the regime is not likely to subside anytime soon but political regrouping is obviously gaining momentum,then will see if we can finally take a deep breath. Armed rebellion is a dream come true for hardliners,massive civilian resistance is their worst nightmare.more on the subject…

64 # Norman:

Well said. This is apowerful story and you made a point here. I cannot disagree on this one. It is indeed sad, sad, and sad. It looks it is not going to be a win win situation. We are all loosing at the end of the day. I already feel that I lost my country. I used to wait the summer to go and smell the Jasmine of Damascus, go to Booz Aljadi, I enjoyed the Fatta in Almidan, I loved it when we used to go at 2 AM in the morning and eat that special bread on SAJ. My God, I feel that I am already dead or lost my identity. I do not know what to say. This is the best I read today on SC. Thx for sharing it with us

TARA “It amazes me that the same people who get very “offended” from Mamnhebaks on SC “exchanging niceties” ( per some one description) with Israelis are the one who are showing concern of what is happening in Cairo today and rushing to imply that Besho is Israel only hope for peace. By doing so, those mnhebaks are hoping to scare Israel off from the Islamist bogeyman and therefore affecting the international opinion. A desperate attempt already tried by rami Makhlouf”

I was not expecting all that. Was you are defending your beloved islamists tooth and nails. They should be proud of you. By the way: Do you wear Niqab??

64. NORMAN

Actually, Syria has a real mother. It’s those people that went out armed with words to save the baby from the evil mother that is bent on killing the baby. It’s those people who are protesting against injustice and corruption. That’s the real mother.

65# “The only way for Israel to seek peace give back the Golan and give the Palestinians their right is for Israel to have fear, after peace between Israel and Egypt Israel felt that it does not have to give anything and that is why no peace followed camp David, Israel just did not have fear, what is going on in Egypt might bring back that fear that is in the long run for the benefit of Israel, only peace and recognition can secure Israel future while war sooner or later will bring the demise to Israel”.

I agree; Israel has been very arrogant in cutting the peace deal with Syria. Israel did not have fear, that is why the Syrian regime was using the iranian and HA cards to bring some balance of power. I think the Syrian regime was looking for a peace deal but it was not possible back then. NOw Israel will find itself in a Jungel with Egypt falling to islamists; Lybia already gone to long bearded leaders, Turkey kicked out the Israeli deplomates….whats left???Syria. I mean if Syria falls into the hands of radical islamists who only know ALAH WA AKBAR and JIHAD then what is left for peace. Although the Syrian regime had used the HA and iran cards, they kept the peace channels open, and talks never stopped. I think Israel should think twice before siding with Islamists and cheering these arab revolutions.

RADICAL ISLAM WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAVE ANY RESPECT OR AKNOWLEDGEMENT FOR MINORITIES, and that includes the jewish state.

Russia’s Middle East dilemma – September 8, 2011

http://www.eurasiareview.com/08092011-russias-middle-east-dilemma-oped/

Underlying the Atlantist-Eurasianist debate is the fate of the entire Western project to transform the Middle East, which has been in the works since the 1980s with the rise of the neocons. This plan was to bring about a controlled chaos in the region, creating a series of weak statelets that would benefit a strong Israel. Oded Yinon’s “A Strategy for Israel in the 1980s” proposed the policy of divide-and-conquer. Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah described the Israeli policy in 2007 as intended to create “a region that has been partitioned into ethnic and confessional states that are in agreement with each other. This is the new Middle East.”

But given the horrors of this policy in action since 2000, the burning question for Russian politicians is not just “Should we accede to Western plans for the Middle East?” but rather “Are Western plans in the Middle East going to succeed, and is Russia helpless to influence them?”

The neocon wars of the 2000s were the steel fist approach to subduing Islam: kill millions and terrorise the survivors. But they have been a disaster, made the US and Israel pariahs, and left a trail of terrorism in their wake.

In Libya and Syria today, Afghanistan and Iraq loom large. Russian Profile analyst Alexandre Strokanov fears that “the real war and even more horrifying suffering still lay ahead for the Libyan people” and warns that weapons from Al-Gaddafi’s arsenal could well end up in terrorist hands. Neither the US nor the EU are in any position to get involved in another “nation-building project”. In any case, the new Libyan government will have to show its fiercely proud people that it is independent from all foreign powers.

It is clear now the whole Arab Spring is not as spontaneous as appeared at first glance. While the regimes across the region were indeed corrupt and dictatorial, they were all supported by the West. But so was the opposition.

The moment came when they were perceived as passed their due date, and with the neocons in office by 2000 and PNAC’s “new Pearl Harbour ” on the horizon, it was possible to proceed with Yinon’s plan to create dynamic chaos in the Middle East. The Arab Spring is, in an eerie way, a natural conclusion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. A sort of “If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em”, American style.

This peice from CNN. I think it deserve to be here so we hear the Islamists input regarding the incidence.

Giza, Egypt (CNN) — Egyptian protesters entered the Israeli Embassy here on Friday after tearing down the wall surrounding the building that houses it. Once inside, they threw papers bearing Hebrew from the windows and into the streets.

The incident occurred hours after hundreds of protesters attacked the wall in a show of political rage on another tense day in Egypt’s capital.

Earlier, as demonstrators destroyed the wall that had been built around the high-rise building to protect it, police and military took no action.

Protesters cheered the demolition and chanted for the ouster of Israel’s ambassador. The demonstrators were among thousands of Egyptians who took to the streets Friday.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said about 3,000 protesters had torn apart the wall.

Since the ouster in February of President Hosni Mubarak, many Egyptians have called for the end of diplomatic relations with the Jewish state. The two nations signed a peace treaty in 1979.

SS

I will make an exeption and answer you this time just because I sensed something unusual for you on post #68.

I like to wear high heels and niqab does not look good with them so I find myself replacing it with dresses.. However, I really want to visit in Iran. I am waiting for a good company though and if I to go and visit, I may need to wear the niqab but I am sure I will find something stylish. You never know, by the time I find a good company to go with, I may run into Asma and husband there.

#56 “It’s all grandstanding to make up for his feeble failure with Besho.”

Myopia, narcissism. Aboud, you need to reflect on your anger and consider what is best for your country and fellow Syrians: how to reach an acceptable compromise to move your country forward, not backwards.

Norman, misplaced parable is misplaced. A more appropriate one would be Samson’s choice. Besho will gladly bring the entire temple down rather than lose power.

And apparently SS is back to parroting Makhlouf’s “Israel’s security depends on the regime’s security”. Yawn.

JNA

“you need to reflect on your anger and consider what is best for your country and fellow Syrians”

Removing the regime and weakening it will move Syria ahead by 20 years overnight. Erdogan’s pathetic craving in to the Baathists did more harm to the revolution than if the man had not spoken in the first place.

When you threaten a dictator so openly, be prepared to back up your threats, otherwise you just empower said dictator, and make him look strong infront of his supporters. Something one would have thought the world learned from Hitler’s reoccupation of the Rheinland way back in the 30s.

Norman and SS,

I prefer Islamist regimes 100 times to Assad. These regimes if they are pro war will be very weak because they will have to contend with sanctions. They will not have spreads in Vogue. Do you think what Syrians want after Assad is gone is to start a war with Israel or develop their country and get jobs for people? You cannot have war with Israel and economic development at the same time. So the Syrian people will choose. They may choose war, but after one war, they will change their mind. Most likely they will choose no war and no peace just like what the Lebanese have chosen. That is just fine with Israel.

Irregardless, the interests of Israel do not really matter. The Syrian people should be given every chance in the world to get a true democracy. There is some chance that an Islamist state may emerge, but does that mean that Syrians should not be given a chance to reform? And really, what can Israel do about it? We are spectators at this stage. The Syrians themselves will determine their own fate.

Aboud,

If you want to compare president Assad to Samson, then be it Samson brought down the temple on himself and the enemy of his people and president might be doing the same bringing down the world on himself for the sake and the saving of his people. they are similar that way

AIG,

Emotions defy logic, that is my experience.

Aboud

This has nothing to do with a Hitler. Assad is already an eventual goner who cannot stabilize his country. You must think of the effect of civil wars and foreign domination.

The ongoing Syrian revolution is a grass roots type revolution, and it has reached a tipping point: in order to succeed, soldiers from Assad’s military MUST defect en masse and join their people who want to be free from the tyrant. Now is the time. There is no going back. Only forward. Good luck.

“nd president might be doing the same bringing down the world on himself for the sake and the saving of his people”

And now we are meant to believe that Besho is the altruistic sort, suffering so that the world will not suffer itself for its sins. Great, now he’s supposed to be Christ on the cross?

How does killing dozens of children and imprisoning Najati Tayara save the world from anything?

Bahrain needs U.S. attention now – Friday, September 9

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bahrain-needs-us-attention-now/2011/09/09/gIQAjoH9FK_story.html

Rather than moving toward reconciliation, Bahrain is more polarized than ever, and the fault line increasingly falls between the ruling Sunni elite and majority Shiite population. Clashes between protesters and police occur almost every night in Shiite villages, and the Aug. 31 death of a 14-year-old boy who the opposition says was struck by a tear gas canister has magnified the tension. Thoughtful Bahrainis worry that a new eruption of mass protests is imminent and that it may lead to a purely sectarian conflict that could spread to Saudi Arabia and even Iraq.

The United States has considerable leverage in Bahrain — through the 5th Fleet, military aid programs and a free-trade agreement. But the Obama administration has been timid here as elsewhere during the Arab Spring. In May, President Obama made a strong statement about Bahrain during a speech on the Middle East in which he promised to support the cause of democratic change across the region. But there has been no follow-up; no senior U.S. officials have visited Bahrain in months, and the administration has had nothing to say about the deteriorating situation. This is shortsighted: If Bahrain blows up, vital U.S. interests will be at risk. The administration should use its influence now — before the crisis resumes.

Very interesting testimony

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lusmPA0hs1g

http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=32237

One threat after another – what is Erdogan up to? – Sep 10, 2011

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1662068.php/One-threat-after-another-what-is-Erdogan-up-to

Istanbul – What has got into Recep Tayyip Erdogan?

‘Zero problems with the neighbours’ is the declared policy aim of his Islamic-conservative Turkish government, and up till a year ago this appeared to have been an achievable aim thanks to a bit of political savvy.

But since then Ankara has become engulfed by problems, and Erdogan’s response seems to have been to issue threats.

He demanded Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan publicly apologise after Sargsyan had made a reference to ‘western Armenia,’ a region today belonging to Turkey. Just a year ago the two sides had been talking about opening their joint border.

And German Chancellor Angela Merkel is also supposed to be asking for forgiveness, Erdogan feels, because she had praised the Greek Cypriots while demanding more movement from the Turkish side in resolving the issue of the division of Cyprus.

In the dispute over the Cypriots’ oil production in the Mediterranean Sea, Turkey’s minister for Europe, Egemen Bagis, a few days ago said all options were on the table, adding ominously: ‘And for this we have a navy.’

And now, Israel. For decades Turkey had maintained the closest of relations, above all with the Israeli military and weapons industry, but also with the secret service. Israeli pilots were even permitted to carry out air training flights in the skies above Turkey.

Ankara is blaming Israel for the deterioration in the relationship. The decline started four years ago, when in September 2007 Israeli jets flew over Turkish territory to attack a target in Syria suspected of being a construction site for a nuclear reactor.

However, one of the jets lost a fuel tank which crashed onto Turkish soil, with the incident triggering uproar in Turkey. Israel had been caught abusing its permission to conduct air training flights in order to carry out a military attack.

Israeli President Shimon Peres quickly travelled to Turkey to try to smooth the matter over, praising Turkey as being an ‘eagle with two wings.’

But the break came in the following year, when Erdogan, in his role as mediator between Israel and Syria in the Golan Heights dispute, felt he was left exposed by Jerusalem.

At a point when he was putting all his weight behind a peace agreement, Israel in late 2008 attacked the Gaza Strip, rendering any further negotiations impossible.

‘When it’s all about killing, then you are very well versed in killing,’ Erdogan angrily said at Davos in 2009 in a very public rebuke to the Israelis. Peres later would comment, ‘friends might sometimes disagree.’

But the damage had been done. Erdogan in particular was no longer ready to grant Israel a special political status, the way many Western allies did. Erdogan compared Israel to a ‘spoilt son.’

Ankara began seeking political confrontation with Israel.

While a UN commission criticized Israel for its use of excessive force on the Turkish ship Mavi Marmar bring aid to Gaza, when it killed nine Turkish activists, it also said the Israelis’ sea blockade of the Gaza and the search of ships were legal in order to intercept possible arms shipments.

The commission report came at an awkward point for Erdogan, with Turkey seeking more influence and aiming to become a leading regional power amid the changes taking place in the Arab world.

But Erdogan had to watch how Italy and France forged ahead in Libya, at a point when he was still talking on the phone with Moamer Gaddafi. In Syria, Erdogan kept banking – possibly too long – on the readiness of an increasingly brutal regime to agree to reforms.

And now in the dispute over Gaza, Israel has run circles diplomatically around him and his government.

Now Erdogan is escalating the dispute further. In remarks to Al Jazeera, the Ankara leader said his country would protect Turkish ships bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza against further Israeli attacks.

Erdogan did not mention what repercussions could result, even though he appears to be giving the appearance that in the event, he is ready for a military confrontation.

Abboud
# 35
I did not say that the presence of US army has anything to do with the demonstrations,I said in december US troops will leave Iraq.
this will create a completely different situation, ,who will dominate Iraq then,will Iran dominate Iraq through the Shiite?or will the Sunni rise to try to have control ?,will Iraq stay united? or it will be divided , What will be Syria policy there?I think that what will happen in Iraq will influence events in Syria,I think the USA will not leave Iraq in the current enviroment,where an Arab spring may reach Iraq.
I do not think that a soldier,below the officer level can stage a coup,It will take a higher ranking officer to do that ,and I am sure the Alawite control the high ranking officers position.

I agree with Ehsani about businessmen , my cousin is one of those businessmen from damascus who were approached by opposition for donations, when he refused and told them he is not taking sides and he is apolitical they put his name on the regime sympathizers list which, he left Syria and trying to get a citizenship of another country by starting a business investment there

@ SS

In just 2 comments you managed to churn out the following statements:

Islamists will make no deal with the state of Israel.

RADICAL ISLAM WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAVE ANY RESPECT OR AKNOWLEDGEMENT FOR MINORITIES, and that includes the jewish state

Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, ALLA WA AKBAR Israel 10 times over and then Jewish State! You must be Jewish, or some kind of wannabe.

SS, it is abvious you love Israel and worry for her more than Syria, for all she is for you is fettah in Midan.

Thank you for showing your true colors. Just like those cowards in Lebanon who sold their souls in Lebanese civil war and worked covertly with Israel, you will be Syria’s first traitor. et’feh!

Dear Norman, you got the wrong person in #64, it was King Solomon not Moses, where are the Jews on this forum to correct you?.

85. MAjedkhaldoon:

Make sense. It is unlikely that an Alawi high ranking officer will even think of making a coup. The majority of Alawite are into farming and simple life; few who have people in the army and might have benifited but the majority did not. The majority of them, like other Syrians, were looking for a better life and more job opportunity. The giverment failed badly in delivering jobs, and in providing opportunities to the youth in Syria. The alawites now are suffering from fear. Fear of what the future will bring to them. They are more than ever united behind the current goverment. One would be delusional to even think that an Alawite officer will make a coup.

87 # Husam “SS, it is abvious you love Israel and worry for her more than Syria, for all she is for you is fettah in Midan. Thank you for showing your true colors. Just like those cowards in Lebanon who worked covertly with Israel, you will be Syria’s first traitor”.

This is the type of mentality the Syrian revolution will bring to our country and the region. Israel is a fact and a state and if you are not able to handle this simple fact then you will never ever have a roas to peace with the JEWISH STATE. The Syrian revolution is bringing people like yourself who are so stiff and have no doors for negotiation. People like yourself who are so islamists that they only hold hate towards the Jewish.

The palastenians themselves wants to make peace “except the radical islamic Hamas”; and they should be concerned more than you about their land. I think the current Syrian regime kept the doors open for negotiations. The problem is people like yourself who does not want to consider anything called Israel.

64. Norman said:
Looking at what is going on in Syria reminds with the two women who came to Mosses claiming a baby as their own, Mosses asked them to hold the baby, one from each side and pull and told them that the woman that can pull the baby to her side will take him,

The real mother let go of the baby so he will not be harmed,

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The biblical King Solomon was the lead actor not Moses
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MB were created by Suez Canal Company…king Fisal of arabia used them to fight arab natianalism and end Abed Al-nasser reign
Wahabi Salafist are saudi/american creation to fight communism
Hamas were created by israel to replace the PLO
ISLAMIST are golden for the western Military-Industrial Complex
so was nazism for zionism helped in creating israel
israel within 30 years time will over throw the jordanian monarchy and establish east bank palestine and then work on the silent transfer of west bank palestinians to east of the river.what peace?peace mean end of israel…syria already is in state or condition of not meeting a desirable or intended objective for her citizens..so the syrians are in their right to replace a modern rogue with a stone age rogue- islam is great for money makers&globalism The World Is Flat indeedy!

Haytham Khoury: “Very interesting testimony http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lusmPA0hs1g”

Dani was laughing when he was asked how did you get from the country. He said I just went to the airport and got out of the country….he laughed…and then said the SYrian goverment if very stupid…laughed…even facebook you can use it freely there.

So he went freely to the airport, he boarded the flight freely, and the Syrian goverment allowed him to use the facebook…Who is stupid here??? I think the only stupid fellow is Dani.

This is the strength of the Syrian goverment, they allow oppositions to come and go as they want, whenever they want. They were not afraid of facebook rather they used it very well. What Dani was laughing at is actually what the goverment should get credit for. I say to Dani the Syrian goverment is not stupid but way bigger to be involved in minor issues

SS
Where did I say that Alawite officer will stage a coup, you are delusional,it was that guy who oscilate who said that, not me.

@SS

“Israel is a fact and a state and if you are not able to handle this simple fact then you will never ever have a roas to peace with the JEWISH STATE.”

So you love this “JEWISH” state and you despise the idea of an “ISLAMIC” state. So why is it okay to have a Jewish state and not an Islamic one? Ah wait, the Salafis will kill us all!

“People like yourself who are so islamists that they only hold hate towards the Jewish.”

Oops, it is people like you who jump to conclusions that is problem. You know nothing about me but you already labelled me a Jew Hater. Dude, many here already know my partner is Jewish, half of my clients are Jewish, I have been to a dozen synogogues and I am liked and well respected in my local Jewish community.

I was just exposing you from your own statements: a traitor who cares more for Israel than for his own country.

You are a loser SS, and your tag name says it all.

Husam “you already labelled me a Jew Hater”

I did not label you as Jew Hater. I said radical islamists will never ever aknowledge a Jewish state. Are you a radical islamists? if yes then you are right I meant you.

Husam “you already labelled me a Jew Hater”

I did not label you as Jew Hater. I said radical islamists will never ever aknowledge a Jewish state. Are you a radical islamists? if yes then you are right; I meant you.

@SS

“People like yourself who are so islamists that they only hold hate towards the Jewish.”

…then you said:

“I said radical islamists will never ever aknowledge a Jewish state. Are you a radical islamists?”

SS, don’t back track and twist your sentences. For the record you labeled me an Islamist and “hate towards the Jewish”. Just because I have different views from you, I instantly became a radical islamists. So, stop the B.S.

Now you are traitor, a manipulator and a coward.

“We shall not forget you, O Palestine”: from Damascus
This is from a demonstration in Damascus suburb of Darayya today. It says: “We shall not forget you, O Palestine but we have been occupied with our blood.”

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/09/we-shall-not-forget-you-o-palestine.html

*** GREAT NEWS FOR ISRAEL MENHEBAK POSTERS ON THIS BOARD ***
*** WONDER WHY THE MUSLIM BROTHERS REFUSED TO JOIN THIS PROTEST! ***

Egyptians break into Israeli Embassy in Cairo, Ambassador Flees

2001.09.10

http://news.yahoo.com/egyptians-break-israeli-embassy-cairo-004737248.html

MASHALAH INSPIRING PHOTO:

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/hundreds-egyptian-activists-demolish-concrete-wall-built-around-photo-165100257.html

CAIRO (AP) — Protesters broke into the Israeli Embassy in Cairo Friday and dumped documents out of the windows as hundreds more demonstrated outside, prompting the ambassador and his family to leave the country. The unrest was a further worsening of already deteriorating ties between Israel and post-Hosni Mubarak Egypt.

Egyptian police made no attempt to intervene during the day as crowds of hundreds tore down an embassy security wall with sledgehammers and their bare hands or after nightfall when about 30 protesters stormed into the Nile-side high-rise building where the embassy is located.

The military moved about 20 tanks and troop transport trucks into the area. State radio reported that one person died of a heart attack. About 450 people were injured, including 200 who had to be hospitalized, the Health Ministry said.

In Washington, President Barack Obama assured Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the U.S. was acting “at all levels” to resolve the situation.

Obama expressed “great concern” about the situation, the White House said.

*** FAREWELL ISRAEL AMBASSADOR ***

One banner in Cairo read, “Egyptians, come out of your homes, Tantawi is Mubarak.”

To Dr Khoury:

Dear Dr Khoury, I don’t feel good by saying this, are you really from a Christian background?

Somehow your post do not add up or you are naive in some of statements made that make me think this way. Some weeks ago you claimed that Hazef Al-Assad stopped political speeches in Churches. I am not a regular Church goer, but I have never heard of political speeches in Churchs anywhere, Norman may be able to shed some light here. The only time a government is mentioned when the Priest blesses government official among other blessings in the course of the sermon. All my Christian friends belong to different Churches and I have been to Maronite, Assyrian, Melkite etc etc and have not heard it. Mosques have political speeches though, maybe you are confusing the two.

You keep criticizing the Church leaders for not joining the revolution. Please allow me to shed my perspective:

1. It appears that Syria is undergoing three revolutions, one is legitimately peaceful, one is lead by Saudis and GCC, and one lead by Turkey.

2. The Church and people like Mr Kilo and his companions belong to the peaceful one who want the existing government to lead reforms toward democracy. This is the best option for Syria, as no one wants to see what is happening in Egypt right now with the collapse of the government there.

3. The Saudi lead revolution will see the Islamists take over Syria and the sun will set on the country as we go back to the archaic ages of 7th century AD. I was alarmed by this over a year ago when I saw on one Satellite channel a Saudi proclaim that they will be pushing their weight in the ME. Off course, they have been trying to control Syria through a back door (Lebanon) and it has not been working.

The current trend worldwide does not suit the Saudis and GCC sheikhs and their version of Islam. Syria must be subdued for them to succeed in Egypt as the two countries have always lead the Arabic world and worked in tandem and build a wall to protect their brand of Islam. Off course they have more control over Egypt since the days of Nasser, but in Syria they tried and did not get traction.

Before Nasser Christians in Egypt were well treated and had many freedoms, but now they are lucky to have minimum respect.

The Church leaders do not want this scenario as it is not good for all minorities and open minded Sunni Muslims. Hence, you have the internal opposition not calling for the government downfall and want a peaceful transition through reform.

4. The 3rd revolution is being lead by Turkey who do not want to see a Saudi archaic system on their door step, but want a Turkish controlled government should the present one fall. Turkey has been trying for a few years to establish influence in Syria and Lebanon as they have been smelling the Saudi wind heading their way. If Syria is controlled by the Saudis, secularism in Turkey will die over time. Turkey and Syria go hand in hand and the long border will make it much easier for Saudi Islamists to infiltrate Turkey at a time when they want too join the EU.

This scenario is also not supported by the Church and other opposition leaders as it has a “moderate” Islamists flavour to it, and the Turkish government has not been minority friendly over the years. Besides, Syria will lose it’s independence.

Therefore, the only option is the behind the scenes urging the existing government to carry out reforms to full completion without having a vacuum. Unfortunately, when there is multiple revolutions going on, it becomes very messy and lives will be lost and the situation in Egypt is now sounding like alarm bells.

Personally, I do not like the existing government at all, but I would prefer it over a Saudi controlled system or Turkish Islamist influence.

Egypt’s events makes you wonder, who’s embassy those brave and young revolutionaries will storm next? Anyone care to guess?

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Norman I have heard that story but with Hazrat Ali (RA) and not Hazrat Moses (AS):

Once two women came with a dispute to Imam Ali, (as). The dispute was that each of those two women claimed that the child was their son. No one was ready to back off their claim, that she was not the mother of that child. So Imam Ali (as) said, ok, I will divide the child into two parts by cutting him in half. This way both of you can keep half of your child. Just when the child was about to be cut suddenly one of the women cried, No! Please let the other woman keep this child. And, hence Imam Ali, Abu Turab (as) concluded that the woman who cried out at the last moment was the real mother. Since a real mother could not bear to see her son to be get killed, even if it meant her to

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic/worldnews/2011/09/110909_alba_syria.shtml

Seem to be all kind of significant rumours of defections and battles right now on the comments section of AJE blog ‘Diary of a besieged Syrian town’. See ‘Newest’ comments or ‘Popular Now’ comments for recently missed comments.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/07/09/diary-besieged-syrian-town#comment-306386669

Examples:

-MalikAlAbdeh
Confirmed: Battalion defects en mass from 132nd Brigade in #Deraa, attacks security HQs in city with anti-aircraft weapons. #Syria

-alharriri Breaking: #Assad thugs Helicopter has been downed in #Herak #Deraa Confirmed Confirmed Confirmed #Syria

-MalikAlAbdeh 60% of #Daraa now under control of defected 62nd Brigade inc. main city hospital, political security HQ. #Syria

105. This is a massive blow to the integrity of Jr’s army and it might herald the begining of its end.

The news is also posted on Syrian Youth revolution website.
The defected phalange counts 400 to 500 officers and soldiers, with their gear of 30 armored personnel carrier and two batteries of anti-aircraft machine guns.

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about an hour ago

Doha convention failed to purge a Syrian Opposition Council.

The upside of this bad news is that forces within the convention sank a plan to adopt the Arab league proposal that calls for keeping the Gangsters until 2014!

http://aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&issueno=11974&article=639673&feature

Defected army units are wreaking havoc on the Mob’s killing machine.

Scores of casualties are reported amongst Jr’s forces in Deir Azzor.

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8 hours ago

Chief of the FSA, Colonel R AlAs3ad announces:
The regime will fall faster than anyone is relaising.
Our forces are on the attack and are engaging with the regime forces across Syria.
FSA is a national army and we proclaim no political aspirations.
We call upon demonstrators to maintain their peaceful activism.
We announce the formation of two new phalanges in Damascus and in its suburbs.
10 hours ago

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Mouse wheel

ANN’s mouse wheel works again
And her brain sees the plots

Distraction is what she contemplates
But disconnected are her dots

Yet you learn to live with annoyances
As you once more wipe the dusts

@ 43

Who needs the facts in the news
When one has an es-es

You got to believe in his ruse
And his myths and what they profess

Verity, nah…. it doesn’t muse
Nor does it count for more or less

And reality, not in the queues
Nor that a checkmate ends the chess

Who needs the facts in the news
When one has an es-es

UZAIR8 & NORMAN
It was neither Moses nor Ali. The story was told about King Solomon, the wise judge and king. I am confident that if one digs further, its origin may be found in Babylonian, Sumerian, or Akkadian mythology (these were the cultures where kings also acted as judges)

In modern times, the story was brilliantly narrated by the German play-write Bertlot Brecht in his famous play “The Caucasian Chalk Circle”

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Where do you Luxuriate?

Looks like someone lost some luxury during London Riots. The irony esacping MANGO is that with 200 Million Dollars in damage, and many homes and businesses torched by the rioters, only 5 died and not by Police bullets. Speeks volumes of the brutality of the Syrian Regime who is only confronting chanting people, whose interest then was only in tearing down few monstrously large, ugly, and badly painted cheep portraits of the two α and one ω males of one vicious family, and a few badly sculpted statues of a long dead demi-god wannabe.

We must thank Mr. tropical fruit for highlighting the stark differences between the excessive civility of British law enforcement and the excessive barbarism of besho’s gangsters.

Will the Regime Reach a Tipping Point and Collapse?
It looks like it has!

A contingency plan for rapid escape of Thug One and the top mobsters has been set a week ago.
Two heavily guarded, civilian airplanes with cabin crew have been placed on 24/7 stand-by at Damascus Airport.
The crew, Iranian and Iraqui hinted that the planes would carry the Asad clan to Tehran via Baghdad.

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Wall Photos
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4 minutes ago

“Egypt’s events makes you wonder, who’s embassy those brave and young revolutionaries will storm next? Anyone care to guess?”

The irony is heavy with this one. The first ambassador to leave Cairo due to popular protests was….the Syrian one! He left just before Ramadan, after Egyptian protestors had spent days surrounding the Syrian embassy.

“http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/syria-s-ambassador-leaves-cairo-for-damascus-holiday-1.376785”

Hehehe, “holiday”. No one goes on holiday during Ramadan.

Land for peace. Is it worth it? Or we have to find a new equation?
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Amir, Sadat and Kissinger’s mistake were to think that Egypt lived in some sort of isolated bubble, that Egyptians wouldn’t care what happened in Palestine or Lebanon after they signed a peace treaty.

Land for peace still works, but it will have to be a comprehensive deal, involving all parties.

Darryl ,i’m sure that you are sure that this mukhabarati mafia regime is not able to reform.
Asad regime’s existence is an accident of history and the most likely end scenario for such avatar is a brutal end.
Anyone who say that this regime can conduct the necessary democratic reforms is lying to himself.
As for the political system in post asad Syria,you should take in account the antecendent of Syria’s history ,since the Umayyad until the begining of the 60’s.
The best time for the christians in the region was when Syria and Egypt had a parliementarian system,also there is about 1300 years of christian-muslim coexistence and cooperation.In today Syria and for the first time ,there is no more room for spontaneous cooperation between muslims and christians.It’s not allowed by the regime as if the christians are forced to repeat that their fate depends on asad mukhabarati regime’s existence.(this is what you are reapeating btw)
And plz stop falling in an islamophobic logic ,the syrian muslims as whole never have been attracted by radicalism,whatever its nature ,religious or political.
This political radicalism brought by this regime sound hypocrite and thus is refused.And indeed we have seen the pro-mukhabarat christian clerics repeating the political propaganda of the regime on several occasions.One of them is father Zahlawi.

AIG #77,

100% agree with you. I prefer a democratic Egypt, even if Islamist and hostile, over Mubarak’s Egypt.. Better have genuine relationship that is based on truth, and on sincerity, over false “peace” with the tyrant.
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Aboud,

I tend to disagree with you. We Jews will have to fight for many years to secure our existence in the HolyLand. A democratic Arabia can make it shorter, but the Arabs will have to get used to the idea that the Jews have the right to manage their political life in an independent manner (the state of Israel). Till then we’ll have to hold a sharp sword 24/7/365.
.

I have just arrived back to sweden after holidaying for 2 months in Syria with my extended family. I was quite shocked to see the actual reality on the ground in Syria. Before we left sweden, everything we would watch on the arabic and western satellite channels made it seem like their was chaos and an all out war in Syria. Upon our arrival to damascus airport we were kindly greated by the staff. I was expecting to see army personnel and army tanks every few km all over syria. I was expecting to see nobody on the streets going about their daily lifes. It was quite the opposite. On the way to Hama from Damascus airport i only saw 1 army tank and 5 soldiers casually strolling on the side of the road. The people in Hama were out shopping as normal. Businesses were open as normal. Banks were operating as normal. Offcourse we went by 2 checkpoints on our way into Hama, but whats wrong with that ( When i was in lebanon we passed through several hundred army checkpoints ). The checkpoints made us feel safe and secure. We would go out at night to the cafes and friends houses as normal in Hama. We travelled to Homs and stayed their for 3 nights. I could not move in the souk and Duplan due to the amount of people shopping and the amount of traffic. We only encountered 1 checkpoint on the way to Homs. 1 army tank in all of Homs was witnessed by myself. I travelled to Latakia, Tartous, Halab and Damascus and Kasab. All seems well in syria, unlike what certain foreign media makes it out to be. From what i was told by mostly sunni relatives and friends all over syria, they are fed up with the distrubtion to their daily lives and with these armed gangs and islamists trying to implement their hidden agendas. They just want security. Upon travelling to Damascus and Halab, they are ashamed and emberassed of what these islamic extremists are trying to do the country. LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD. ALL IS WELL IN SYRIA. I have taken hundreds of pics and videos whilst travelling in syria. Dont be shy to ask to c them. Once you see them you will see the actual reality on the ground in Syria. It isnt even 5% of what the foreign media makes it out to be. Let those internet geek activists and bloggers living outside of Syria come and see for themselves how syrians are going about their daily lives as normal.

Turkey will announce its position as far as Syria,on 13 september
and Russia is trying to get the regime representatives and the opposition members to meet and start negotiation in Moskow,

Ann@101

How about the Syrian embassy with its disgusting ambassador, Besho cousin, to expel him and staff from Egypt. Tyrants should not be allowed to have diplomatic relation anywhere. That would be cool. Wouldn’t it?

IRONY

Aboud

It seems to me that the men7ebbak folks are using a bad dictionary. They think the word irony means iron-strong and thats probably why the don’t recognize the real irony in their comments or cuts and pastes. Should we tell them what it really means.

Tour Guide

Muhammad Hamwi

I have no way of verifying the accuracy or lackthereof of your statement. This is why most of us have been arguing for long time that global press (including those russian former KJB journalists and Ann’s unknown sources) should be allowed in the country unhindered and unaccompanied by minders. For now, we’ll have to check your story against other stories, which to a degree is not far from what Aboud stated about how he spends his leisure time in Homs.

It is also natural that life goes on. Having political upheaval does not mean that you will see a soldier at every corner and tank at every cross roads.

I am curious as to how many street vednors you noticed in Aleppo?

I am also curious to know what kind of job you hold to have two months vacation. Lucky you. I am on my hamster wheel 24/7/52

Lastly, … and yes, I know that I am annoyingly picky, if everythingt is normal, how come your “mostly one sect” friends and family are complaining about the disruption to their lives and business?. You must be keeping some real sour people for friends.

This is from your beloved Aljazera

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Men are judged by what they stand for.  The Syrian ambassador in the US stands to defend killing his own people in order to protect his own status and an American ambassador in Damascus risking his own life to show solidarity with the Syrian people.   

Ambassador Ford was threatened by a shabbeeh on his FB of retaliation if he continues with his support of the Syrian people.  Below is what he posted on his personal FB

A note from Ambassador Robert Ford
by U.S. Embassy Damascus on Tuesday, September 6, 2011 at 8:42am

http://www.facebook.com/notes/us-embassy-damascus/a-note-from-ambassador-robert-ford/10150286333121938

This past weekend, as Eid al-Fitr was concluding, I read reports of peaceful protests yet again being met with security force gunfire in places like Basra ash-Sham, Telbissa and Jassem.  International media reports already speak of dozens of civilians killed.  This is yet another sad day to reflect on the courage of the tens of thousands of courageous Syrians who march peacefully.  
 
Some of the people who write on this page complain that the U.S. is “helping terrorists” in Syria.  We support the right of Syrians to protest peacefully.  Peaceful protesters are not “terrorists,” and after all the evidence accumulated over the past six months, no one except the Syrian government and its supporters believes that the peaceful protesters here are.  Also, the United States is not providing any assistance to any armed group in Syria.  If the Syrian government has evidence, let’s see it.  I’ve asked them and I’ve gotten nothing back from the officials.  The United Nations, which was finally allowed to send an assessment team here, instead has directly assigned responsibility for the violence in Syria to the Syrian government.  The Arab League has assigned responsibility for the violence to the Syrian government.  The European Union and its member states have done so.  The governments of Canada, Japan and Saudi Arabia have done so.  The Turkish government has done so.  Don’t like or trust the United States – fine – look at what other organizations and countries are saying.
 
Some Syrian security service members have been killed.  Some want the United States to acknowledge it; well, I’m the American ambassador, and I just did.  But the number of security service members killed is far, far lower than the number of unarmed civilians killed.  No one in the international community accepts the justification from the Syrian government that those security service members’ deaths justify the daily killings, beatings, extrajudicial detentions, torture and harassment of unarmed civilian protesters.  I entirely agree with the group of Muslim scholars in Aleppo who says that the Syrian government, which has a clear preponderance of arms and force, bears the responsibility for the violence.  And given the extent of the government’s brutality, neither the Syrian protest movement nor the international community will believe that this Syrian leadership desires or is capable of the deep, genuine and credible reforms that the Syrian people demand.  This isn’t about Western military intervention.  This isn’t about oil (many governments have banned its import).  This isn’t about Israel or the West wanting to dominate the Arab world (an old, discredited government line).  This is about basic political freedoms from the United Nations’ Human Rights Charter – signed by Syria, don’t forget – which calls for freedom of speech and freedom of peaceful assembly.  And the United States wholly supports Syrians’ rights to exercise those freedoms.

Mohamed Hamwi
You are neither Mohamed,nor Hamwi
we saw the videos in Hama,we are seeing videos in Homs everyday,and in every where in Syria, your attempt to deny things will not succeed.

majedkhaldoon – i will email the videos and pics to Mr Landis. Get off your geek ass and travel to syria. You will see how things are. Your internet blogs will get you nothing. Syria is alive and well. Have u ever wondered why 90% of the population hasnt joined these islamic extremists???? If you havent got the guts to travel to syria and help the syrian economy, than stay inside your cage with your computer abroad. You are nothing but a worthless coward hiding behind his computer. I cant wait for the videos and pics to be posted on Syria Comment. You and ur internet geek buddies will be fuming with anger once the truth is shown about what is actually happening in syria. GOODNIGHT 🙂

Syrian Hamster

“I am also curious to know what kind of job you hold to have two months vacation. Lucky you. I am on my hamster wheel 24/7/52”

Outstanding observation! People that are unemployed and on government support are the ones. who can go on 2 months vacation and have the audacity to criticize how “inhumane” and moral-less the west is.

Mohamed
GODNIGHT, at 1 pm!,you need to wake up from your dream

Mohammed Hamwi “I have taken hundreds of pics and videos whilst travelling in syria”

Man, we cannot wait to see them. Its great idea that you send them to Dr. Landis. That what I hear from friends and extended family. I mentioned the same thing in one of my previous posts that Syria is well, people are shopping; weddings are held; beaches are full; and the relatives as well as friends appeared to be relaxed. The tension is here amongst people who live abroad and listen and read the biased wetern media and these fake bloody MBs on SC. We are more tense than the people who actually live in Syria. Hay Hamwi: What do you think of facebook D.N.N; H.N.N??I find these to be the only best reliable sources amongst this biased media

128 MAjedkhaldoon
“You are neither Mohamed,nor Hamwi
we saw the videos in Hama,we are seeing videos in Homs everyday,and in every where in Syria, your attempt to deny things will not succeed”.

I would say what Hamwi has just said to you “Get off your geek ass and travel to syria. You will see how things are. Your internet blogs will get you nothing. Syria is alive and well. Have u ever wondered why 90% of the population hasnt joined these islamic extremists????” you bastered bloody islamic radical MB

SS
It stands for smelly Sh…

Guys, what did Mohamad Hamwi say to get everyone so upset? That shops are open? That he only saw one tank? Well of course shops are open. I think I mentioned that myself several times. That he only went through one checkpoint? Unless he tries to go into Baba Esba3 when it is on lockdown, it is likely that all he’ll see is one checkpoint. Heck, even that can be bypassed if he wanted to.

I honestly don’t understand the menhebaks. Even at the height of the riots in Greece and London, the disturbances were limited to certain areas. That is the nature of every demonstration or riot. I don’t think in history, there was ever a case of a riot engulfing an entire city, at least more than a few days at a time.

“All is well in Syria”? Far from it. Ask SGID how fast the security thugs come out of whatever government building or school they are hiding in when a demonstration comes out.

Only people who are sheltered and have never lived in a city with demonstrations, interpret the news they see as a full scale break down in society. They are so sheltered, they expect to see Mad Max on his motorbike in Dablan street, and when they don’t, they think the news has been overblown. No news channel ever said Syrian society broke down, not even Lebanese society broke down during its civil war.

“All is well in Syria”? Then why are 15,000 people in jail? Why have 2,500 people been murdered? Why have there been so many military defections? A video of Muhamad Hamwi having grilled meat in Hama or shopping for women’s underwear in Damascus is not proof to the contrary, but Muhamad Hamwi leads a sheltered life, so of course he would misinterpret and misunderstand what he sees and hears.

By the way, Brazil street is almost completely shut down because of the attacks on Baba Amr this morning. Not “normal” by any definition of the word.

“I could not move in the souk and Duplan”

No one on the planet calls it Duplan. There is no p in Arabic. It’s Deblan. Not even Dublan.

So, you didn’t see any armed gangs at all? No one threatened your menhebak neck?

Were you perceptive enough to notice that there aren’t any pictures of Besho in Homs anymore, not even on the cars? LOL!

Please, post your videos. I’ll even make a Youtube account for you.

133. Majedkhaldoon; “It stands for smell sh”

Then enjoy the smell. Radical MB dont look for christian dior, estee lauder, etc. They go for smelly sh– and you deserve it. its all yours

119. SHAMI said:

Dear Shami, nice to see your posts again. My point is that perhaps sometime or space should be given to see if reforms will take place and I believe this is what the Churches in Syria right now advocating. I am sure all opposition supporters can give a deadline and see if they carry through.

In terms, of Islamophobia comment, dear Shami, I know Syrian Muslims are the nicest Muslims and the least “fundamental or radical”. This also, applies to Syria’s Christian when you compare them to the Lebanese, Coptic and Iraqi Christians who have a different way of dealing with their Muslim comrades as they are much more fundamental than Syria’s Christians. Sometimes I deal with Lebanese/Iraqi and coptic Christians and often they shock me with their views.

Having said the above, there is no question that the Saudis’ and GCC do not like the fact that Syrian society is modernizing, open and integrated and to make things worse; they are friendly with Iran their arch enemy. The Saudi’s are only able to see Iran’s dust cloud as they are trailing way behind and eventually their version of Islam will be under threat if they do not protect it through what they are doing now in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. This reminds me of a quote:

“only the lead dog sees a change of scenery”; keep that in mind as it applies to what Iran is doing compared to the other nations in the ME.

Lastly, I have said, in previous posts, the Ummayyads were the model Islamic state in my opinion as they were secular and valued minorities more than any other Islamic state since then. However, they were not “dogmatic Muslims” like what we see today, their is a fatwa for everything.

By the way, I’d like to count the number of tanks I’ve seen these six months.

1 at the police HQ in Homs.

4 sitting in the sun at Baba Amr.

2 in Khaldia.

2 near Bab Esba3.

And about a friggin division at the old Karnak bus station.

I also saw a convey heading towards Hama in June.

Most of the checkpoints in Homs have been abandoned. The security forces spend most of their time in schools or government buildings until they want to raid a neighborhood or shoot up a demonstration, or murder patients at the Ber hospital.

Sometimes Homs will experience a city wide strike. Sometimes life goes on as normal, until the demonstrations come out. Sometimes you will be walking in the street and hear massive gunfire as the security goons raid a neighborhood somewhere. But society has not broken down. It would take a nuclear holocaust or bubonic plague for a modern society to break down the way sheltered Muhamad Hamwi expected to see.

To Mohamed Hamwi,
I think your Syria has nothing to do with my brother’s Syria, because he also left Syria a few days ago and his account of what is happening is completely different. My brother lives is Syria. You, on the other hand, were there on vacation. You talk about nothing happening except a few check points here and there and then you talk about armed gangs. So which one is it? Armed gangs or nothing happening?. Armed gangs to me does not imply fashion shows, it implies urban warfare. My relatives, traveling from Aleppo to Damascus, were shot at randomly. One of them is in critical condition. Meanwhile you travel freely between all these cities. Have you been to Idleb and its surrounding villages?. Have you visited Jabal Alzawieh? They have the best cherries there.
I think I am going to believe my brother. I know him, trust him and I know for a fact that he has no hidden agendas.

Dear Darryl,
For Iran you should listen from the iranian people themselves instead of taking the theocratic divine soviet style propaganda.(there is a very big community in the USA ,which is increasing dramatically)
For example ,the cases of stoned women in Iran is much higher than in Saudi Arabia (0 for more than 100 cases in Iran since the begining of the 80’s).Saudi Society was of beduin nature that discovered modernity not long time ago ,Iran had already a modern state and an important educated society when the Saudis had nothing.Today Saudia Arabia has an higher HDI than Iran,it’s the best indicator for human developpment.
It’s not fair to compare Saudi Arabia with countries such as Egypt,Syria,Iran,Turkey,Algeria…

Dear Daryl:

1. It seems that there is misunderstand. Indeed, I did not say that “Hazef Al-Assad stopped political speeches in Churches”. I said at the end of his reign, Hafez Assad used to send the sermons of Christmas and Easter to be read in Major Cathedral. In fact, this is what pushed Ignatius Hazeem to spend most of these days in Lebanon, because he used to refuse reading these sermons. (I can provide more information on this)

2. I have no doubt that Turkey and Saudi Arabia are trying to influence the outcome in Syria to their benefits. This is what all governments do. However, the appointment of Burhan Ghalioun as head of the transition council shows that the revolution is far from being controlled by any outside country, including the USA.

3. I understand how the Christians situation was affected by Nasser. However, the people who were hurt the most by Nasser were the MB.

4. I understand your concerns regarding the revolution being hijacked by extremists. However, I do not see any indication of this.

Dear Shami, this is my last post for now as I must go to sleep and have a long day tomorrow Sunday planting trees.

In my previous post, I was not comparing religious views, Iran is modernizing and developing technologies to serve their needs. The Saudi’s import everything including an educated workforce. Saudi women cannot even drive a car and can only work in certain industry segments and the Saudis purely live like hypocrites, what they do during the day is not the same what happens at night. Their youth are deprived of social skills to deal with ever increasing complexity of the world.

The King recently decreed reforms by spending $30B sending cheques to his subjects that their media outlets raved about as being reform. What reform? Honestly, we cannot compare the Islamic system in Iran and KSA, in KSA the sun has not risen. Iranian youth will change their society, not too far in the distant, their is still smoke from the last election. KSA; do not hold your breath as you will wait for a long time.

Good to have “conversed” with you, good night, we’ll discuss again.

Dear Daryl:

1. It seems that there is misunderstand. Indeed, I did not say that “Hazef Al-Assad stopped political speeches in Churches”. I said at the end of his reign, Hafez Assad used to send the sermons of Christmas and Easter to be read in Major Cathedral. In fact, this is what pushed Ignatius Hazeem to spend most of these days in Lebanon, because he used to refuse reading these sermons. (I can elaborate more on this)

2. I have no doubt that Turkey and Saudi Arabia are trying to influence the outcome in Syria to their benefits. This is what all governments do. However, the appointment of Burhan Ghalioun as head of the transition council shows that the revolution is far from being controlled by any outside country, including the USA.

3. I understand how the Christians situation was affected by Nasser. However, the people who were hurt the most by Nasser were the MB.

4. I understand your concerns regarding the revolution being hijacked by extremists. However, I do not see any indication of this.

SHAMI “Today Saudia Arabia has an higher HDI than Iran,it’s the best indicator for human developpment.
It’s not fair to compare Saudi Arabia with countries such as Egypt,Syria,Iran,Turkey,Algeria”

Lol. This is indeed a jock. You are trashing Iran and Iranians by comparing them to Saudi Arabia or even any Arab country in your region. There is no way to compare the radical saudi way of life to the persian way of life even under the rule of Islam. The People of iran are highly educated, esp the women, the respect for women in Iran is way beyond that of any Arab country. The iranian have a 4000 years of civilizations even before Islam and during Islam they contributed a lot to (make these Beduin look good) science and education. Iranian are very smart, very open minded, and their souls are free of all the complicated issues of radical Islam. THERE IS NO RADICAL ISLAM IN IRAN, and yes the Mollas of Iran are much advanced than 3ara3eeer Saudis.

I advice you to visit Tehran and see for yourself. It is unfortunate that the amazing women of Iran have to wear Hijab, and even with their Hijab (which is colorful and nice) I see a strong, beatutiful, well educated, powerful, amazing women, free in their minds and souls, and very much respected by men; actullay and FYI Iranian women are leaders in their homes and in the society. Iran should be proud of that. Shami: keep polishing your wahabi salafi saudi dream. You need a lot of paint because is it dirty and nasty one. Iran is way advanced than your little stupid radical islamic mind.

OTW, Darryl,
You are right, my mistake, it was Solomon, if i took more time to think i should have known that,

Apparently, Iranians like SS don’t know how to spell “joke”, and doesn’t know the difference between “advice” and “advise”. I sure hope the women of Iran know how to spell better than the men of Iran LOL!

“THERE IS NO RADICAL ISLAM IN IRAN”

Haha, nice “jock”.

I totally agree with Shami#119.

My response to Daryl is awaiting moderation

Aboud;

Despite my bad vocabulary; you seem to be able to get my points. Good job. By the way SS stands for smelly sh…according to khaldoon; why dont you share some.

Husan, SS,

I was reading your mini-thread above: Who hates/loves Israel and Jews more. A bit strange to digest. This website seems to be divided between those that obsessively hate Israel and those that don’t give a hoot.

Just for the record, we, the “3 Jewish Amigos” that follow this website, understand that this website is primarily dedicated to Syrian issues, especially now that Syria is going through a difficult time. I am/We are trying not to post too much and we don’t want to detract from the main focus here.

As Amir stated, the State of Israel and most Jews just want to be accepted into the region. I am glad that both of you have Jewish acquaintances and work partners.

As seen by the Egyptian demonstrations and the Turkish government, etc, Israel is not yet out of the woods, as acceptance by the “Arab Street” (the Arab world’s greatest weapon) is still elusive. But, I agree with Amir and AIG that democracy, in the LONG run, will prove to be beneficial to Israel and the region, if bad governments are allowed to be replaced by free elections.

“you seem to be able to get my points”

You’ve made your point very clear; you are a frustrated Iranian still seething over the way Khalid Ibn al Waleed kicked your Persian butt 1400 years ago.

Seriously, how can any mentality still hung up over centuries old grievances ever be expected to join the modern world.

Iran’s only significant export other than oil, is terrorism. The world would be a better place if its sick ideology was contained.

By the way, what’s taking you people so long to build an atom bomb? The North Koreans and Indians beat you to it looooooong ago.

Here’s an example of superior Persian civilization;

Ruhollah Khomeini;

“Economics is for donkeys.”

Geesh, these people with their 1400 year old insecurity complexes…..

My brother has just returned to Europe from Syria, a few days ago.

Two sons of my cousins were injured.
One, her only boy was clobbered badly on his head with a baton armed with spokes in a Mosque in Damascus. He was thought to be dead as he vomited in the security bus, so he was dropped on the road. He has recovered but not sure how much.

The other was the victim of a shrapnel bomb that was dropped from a speeding car of Shabbeha, in Homs. Two shrapnels were extracted from his foot and chest. He is doing well now.

In Homs, fleeting small demonstrations randomly sprout across the city 24/7.
Parents who know that their young ones are participating in demonstrations are fearful for their lives, yet they agonise not to utter any discouragement
Demonstrations are often cheered by women of all ages in overlooking balconies.
A seemingly business as usual scene in a downtown market could suddenly change into that of a strike with the appearance of a shabbeeha bandits. Business owners are solidly behind the revolution.
Bursts of shooting are heard daily, around 6 to 7 times a day, all over the city. Prolonged episodes usually indicate infighting with defected units.

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The PA and Hamas both failed..
http://www.alquds.co.uk/today/09qpt999c.jpg

Body of activist Giyath Matar, who was arrested with comrade Yahia Shurbaji 3 days ago in Darayya was returned to his parents with his larynx severed. They were told to use it to make Shawarma!
3000 security agents are now besieging the Mosque from which the funeral shall proceed.

The link is to photo of martyr activist Giyath matar.
AlFati7a upon his soul,
May God bless his parents with solace and empower them with patience.

http://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Revolution#!/photo.php?fbid=10150830583990727&set=a.10150397575815727.619133.420796315726&type=1&theater

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S S is an Iranian SAFAWI,that is enough insult.Safawi they hate Arab,because the prophet is Arabic, and they hate Sunni,because Arab are Sunni.

Aljazeera Network has proved under Waddah Khanfar,that they are excellent network,and very reliable,they do their best to tell about what is happening,they are there immidiately,and take a lot of risk to inform everyone about the truth.
Those who attack Aljazeera and Arabyieh,they do not want to tell the truth,when the truth hurt them,and expose them,they earn the respect of many, such as CNN ,who quote Aljazeera a lot, and even Hilary Clinton admitted that Aljazeera is doing great job.
Those who support Assad ,and claim the opposit, they hated Aljazeera,because it is a trustworthy network,Aljazeera took the responsibility to cover the revolutions all over the Arab world,the Assad supporters hate Aljazeera because it is exposing the evil Assad.
Waddah Khanfer deserve the respect he earned, and he proved that he is excellent manager.

“The other was the victim of a shrapnel bomb that was dropped from a speeding car of Shabbeha, in Homs. ”

Was that when the shabiha thugs threw a shrapnel bomb at a demonstration at Brazil street? Over 30 people were wounded then.

“In Homs, fleeting small demonstrations randomly sprout across the city 24/7.”

True. The longest demos last an hour every night and Friday, sometimes more in Khaldia and Bab Houd.

“Bursts of shooting are heard daily, around 6 to 7 times a day, all over the city. Prolonged episodes usually indicate infighting with defected units.”

100% correct, especially near Baba Amr. Stand near the New Clock, and you can hear firing from any part of the city.

There is a famous sweet shop on Damascus road that was attacked by the shabiha during the last week of Ramadan. To this day no one knows why that place was targeted.

Majed, yes, SS has discredited himself with his own words. His loyalties lie with Iran, and he is driven by a psychotic hatred of Arabs in general, and Sunnis in particular. The so called secular menhebaks are, every single one of them, driven by sectarian grievances so old my great great great grandfather wasn’t even alive at the time.

Activists, on the ground and in exile have moral obligation to put their differences aside and unite to form a representative oppositional Council.

Their first task should be to garner recaonnaissance and logistical support for the FOM and FSA.

Tomorrow, 57 defected army personel, including 17 officers are reported to await execution tomorrow; Many have already been executed at Mazzeh military airport.

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37 minutes ago

OK, let’s get some facts here

Today is 9/10, going back TWO MONTHS puts us at 7/10 … now let’s look at some videos shall we

Hama 7/8
http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=29965&cat=21&parent=1&page=59&sort_order=timestamp

Hama 7/15
http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=32749&cat=21&parent=1&page=51&sort_order=timestamp

Hama 7/21
http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=34493&cat=21&parent=1&page=47&sort_order=timestamp

Hama 7/22
http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=34875&cat=21&parent=1&page=45&sort_order=timestamp

Hama 7/28
http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=36903&cat=21&parent=1&page=36&sort_order=timestamp

http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=37048&cat=21&parent=1&page=35&sort_order=timestamp

Hama 7/29
http://www.onsyria.com/?clip=37369&cat=21&parent=1&page=33&sort_order=timestamp

The army invaded Hama on 7/31 and we all saw the videos everywhere, but nevertheless according to Mr. Tour Guide’s testimony he was an eye witness to this invasion as well, he only saw 1 tank and 1 check point (one should also remember that Hama had tons of barricades manned by armed thugs, which is why the Army attacked the city to begin with “the official story” ).

How credible is the testimony of Mr. Tour Guide ? draw your own conclusions …

P.S : Next time a menhebakite decides to fabricate a story and submit it as a factual testimony, I strongly suggest doing some research first, you know, earn the money they’re paying you 🙂

” 43. ss said:

28?Dear Real Syrian:I have been told that Ambassador Moustafa began to consider me to be “part of the revolution” from the first weeks of the uprising. I tried to speak to him once, but he would not talk to me. I have not tried since”

I love it, that means the Syrian goverment is very bold and I like it when the administration gets bold.”

You love it when your criminal regime slaughters, jails and tortures tens of thousands so it can maintain it’s grip on power? The coming tsunami of volcanic anger of millions of Syrians will crush you and your pathetic regime.

157. Hi Aboud,
“Was that when the shabiha thugs threw a shrapnel bomb at a demonstration at Brazil street? Over 30 people were wounded then”.

I did not ask for such details, however, I recall that he mentioned the area to be mal3ab l Baladi.

He also mentioned to me that activists and demonstrators have renamed many streets that they demonstrate in, after their loved martyrs. The new names are regularly used in their communications to refer to gathering spots.

Apologies! R was for Revlon.
Autocomplete in the name box sometimes lags so only the first letter goes!

*** ANOTHER DAY OF GOOD NEWS FOR ISRAEL MENHEBAK ***
*** IS THIS TEHRAN OR CAIRO?! ***

Egyptian commandos rescued Israeli ambassador; more protests on Saturday

http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-national/egyptian-commandos-rescued-israeli-ambassador-more-protests-on-saturday

MASHALAH BRAVE DEMOCRATIC EGYPTIAN YOUTH – ALJAJEERA VIDEO:

http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-national/crowds-attack-israel-embassy-cairo-video

” We will go to Jerusalem , “said one protester, as seen in the accompanying al-Jazeera video, which contradict statements from the West, which have claimed since the start of revolution that support for Palestine and rejection of Israel are not at the heart of the protests.

Prime Minister Netanyahu was in contact with President Obama requesting assistance for the safekeeping of the property and its diplomats. Protesters refused to leave the area until such time as the ambassador was expelled from the country. The Israeli flag was torn down and replaced by the Egyptian flag. Four people died as a result of clashes with policy, one of them from a heart attack. More than 1,000 were wounded.

*** SHORT and SWEET ***

Account of Danny Abeddayem, a Syrian British citizen of his narrow escape from death in Syria.
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An officer and four soldiers of the FOA fell martyrs in fighting Shabbeha and a Special forces unit.
30 members of security forces were killed in the attack.
Futhermore, Muhammad Mustapha Harmoush, brother of speaker of FOM was martyred and Mustapha’s wife was arrested. The speaker’s son has also been arrested.
Child Uday Khaled Hisrem also fell martyr while witnessing a demonstration.

Al Fatiha upon their souls.
May God bless their souls with solace and empower them with patience.
This is what makes it difficult for soldiers to defect: Revenenge from their fasmilies.

9-9-2011
Jabal Azzawiyeh.

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*** NAIVE DISILLUSIONED BIBI WISHFUL THINKING! ***

Netanyahu says Israel preserving Egypt peace deal

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/10/egypt-protest-netanyahu-peace-idUSL5E7KA0TP20110910

JERUSALEM, Sept 10 | Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:58pm EDT

JERUSALEM, Sept 10 (Reuters) – Israel is preserving its more than three-decades-old peace with Egypt, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday after rioting forced the evacuation of Israel’s Cairo embassy.

“Israel will continue to hold fast to the peace accord with Egypt,” Netanyahu said in televised remarks. “We are working together with the Egyptian government to return our ambassador to Cairo soon. I would like to ensure that the security arrangements necessary for him and for our staff will be steadfast.”

*** BIBI NEEDS TO LISTEN MORE TO THE FREE and DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE OF FREE and DEMOCRATIC EGYPT ***

Aljazeera was a pioneer in the field of news coverage in the Middle East,and that earned it the support of a large section of the Arab population. However,aljazeera today has many competitors and I hope to see more of that to provide more options for Arab viewers.
Aljazeera and virtually all news networks are not neutral institutions and many Arab news networks are owned by Arab regimes or their supporters,and aljazeera is no exception.
Educated people must compare notes and collect news from different sources to try to get closer to the truth.no single news source can be trusted to provide the whole truth.
Btw,the military council in Egypt has announced the return of emergency law effective today.

http://nstarikov.ru/en/blog/461#more-461

SYRIA – PROVOCATIONS AND MURDERS
A week ago I wrote that the “Arab Spring” broke down, and its sponsors from special services in USA and Great Britain found out they were having huge problems in implementing their “revolutionary projects”.
And now again, we’re becoming witnesses of their new attempts to halt the trend in Syria for their own benefit.
That is towards chaos and anarchy. The overthrow of the Syrian government and coming into power of Muslim radicals – is a necessary key to launching a full-scale Arab-Israel war. The main adversary for Israel should be Egypt and Syria. In Egypt the process got stuck.

Meanwhile in Syria we can see a new “round” of destabilizing the country, now for good. As usual, the operations of the inner “opposition”, that is murders and terrorists, are in perfect coordination with the “independent” mass-media.
So, what’s going on?
This time, instead of “unknown snipers” and their shooting at demonstrators, the stake is placed on launching a full-blown civil war. The perfectly equipped Islamists took by way of accomplished fact power in some localities. There were cases of violence and murders based on religion and nationality. However, the moment the legitimate government starts restoring order – BBC, Al-Jazira and the Syrian “opposition” begin shrilling about mass murders by government forces.
The latest news from Syria is coming from the town of Hama. It’s a particular place, it’s always been the stronghold of Muslim Brotherhood. As far back as the father of the present Syrian President, who had to put down an Islamist revolt in this town. And this time again – superbly weaponed militants have taken this major place under control.
I underline the fact that the Syrian opposition is based in Turkey and are in fact a couple of “intellectuals”. Whereas the murders in the streets of Syrian towns are by no means committed by “peaceful demonstrators” or “representatives of opposition”, but by real bandits and butchers.
You can (although, better not) watch the horrible things done by these animals in the videos below…
The calculation is simple: the official Damascus is losing the game anyway. If they don’t suppress the violence – they lose control over the situation. If they suppress it – they get charges in violence, then sanctions and attempts of external invasion.
Soldiers of the Syrian Army killed in Ziis-Al-Shugur on the Turkish border.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoFg8vcf1IM
2. “Peaceful demonstrators” killed a policeman in the town of Deir-Al-Zor and are mutilating his corpse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIRsGYEP58
3. Seven policemen murdered by “the opposition to the regime” are being thrown down into the river Al-Assi in the town of Hama. Some of the policemen have their throats cut. The first Russian channel showed this coverage about Syria but didn’t specify who was who!
The so-called “opposition” downloaded this video on their pages in Facebook, explaining that it was the way the government soldiers put the corpses of the peaceful citizens. However in ten minutes this video disappeared – the “opposition” understood that they were “giving away” themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1gnILXlh8w
4. The video shown by the Syrian TV. It’s dated as 31 July, 2011. The town of Hama.
The coverage demonstrates that the so-called “revolutionaries” have set up block-posts at the entrance to the town and that they are armed to the teeth. And they have already fixed the gallows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzqboPoxq5A
The Western mass-media have accused the Syrian Army of shooting the town of Hama on 31, July and bringing in tanks one day prior to Ramadan. The Syrian government declared that it did not shoot the town and did not bring in the tanks. To create a “picture” the “peaceful demonstrators” burnt the rubber from the wheels and videoed the smoke from some distance, later downloading this fake in the Internet as if it had been the smoke from the shooting.
5. Horrible snaps, shot in the town of Hama. The government forces entering the town found a slaughter of people bodies pieces, all of them having been murdered by “peaceful demonstrators”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_bn5KXBGsE
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http://nstarikov.ru/en/blog/458#more-458
Presidents – Get Out
In order to wage the coming war the USA is trying to replace the secular regimes of the Muslim countries with the radical ones. Those unwilling to spill the blood of their own people are being replaced with the ones who will easily do it.
This is exactly the same process that took place in Germany in 1933.Following the major defeat in the World War one Germany fell under the outside control. All political processes were managed from London, Paris and Washington. In 1933 Anglo-Saxons replaced Weimar democrats with Hitler. Germany has changed.
You all know what happened after.
What you probably don’t know is the fact that the Constitution of the Weimar republic was never cancelled. New laws were simply added. So on June the 22nd in the year 1941 the USSR was attacked by the “Democratic” Weimar republic.
Let’s have a look at the current news. Not so long ago USA violated the sovereignty of Pakistan by conducting the operation on its territory. Libya, Syria, Yemen. I wrote about these hot spots a little over a month ago (nstarikov.ru/blog/9673).
“The American air forces are bombing Yemen. This was taking place over the last few weeks – according to the Associated Press, referencing the American mainstream media. Airstrikes over the Yemen’s territory begun “in the last few weeks”, according to the American journalists. They explain that because of the political crisis in Yemen the government forces retreated from the southern regions of the country and some of these regions fell into the hands of “Al-Qaida”.The airstrikes supposed to prevent the terrorists from seizing power. The airstrikes are conducted by the piloted jets, as well as the unmanned drones.” http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/09/06/2011/599675.shtml
I am willing to bet that because of the airstrikes, and as a result of the American policy in the entire region it will in fact be “Al-Qaida” grabbing the power…

It is getting clear that no country or institution daress to fight back the Assad state or Assad mafia. A failed attack against turkish and qatari first politicians could be enough for all the rest of politicians leading countries to retreat and stop asking for Assad to go.

Probably Assad will win elections on 2.014 or maybe his brother but at the end for me personally I believe they have shown they are a very great shit. They have turned Syria 30 years back in human rights terms and worse of all now syrians are divided about the mafia is ruling them. The only negative point for Assads here is that now is clear that when they leave power there will be many people ready to kill them.

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??? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? ???????????? ????????? ????? ?????? ?????.. ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????????? ??????? ?? ?????????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?????????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????.. ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ?? ???..

Israel’s ‘Diplomatic Tsunami’ Has Arrived, As Ambassadors Are Forced to Leave Turkey and Egypt

Saturday, September 10, 2011 at 12:30 pm

http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/09/10/israels-diplomatic-tsunami-has-arrived-as-ambassadors-are-forced-to-leave-turkey-and-egypt/

*** AS A WISE MAN ONCE SAID TEAR DOWN THIS WALL OF SHAME MR. GORBACHEV LOL ***

*** NUFF SAID (an expression of our village idiot/imposter) ***

The meeting between(excuse me)bashar,and Nabil Al Arabi, did not go well, it seems that the Arab league will freeze Syria membership in it, it will be followed by a request for international protection to the syrian people, I think this is legitimate request. the arrogance of the regime and the insistance to continue the suppression and brutal oppression,will lead to international action,it does not matter if Russia agrees or not, Russia can not do anything,the next two months are decisive months,

i liked the response by Salma more than the article..
http://www.bassam-alkadi.com/content/view/645/44/
BTW,the Arab League is not likely to freeze Syria’s membership or ask for international protection,these are mere speculations.

They Must Not Use Weapons!
Maulana Sheikh Nazim
23/4/11

(Mawlana Shaykh Muhammad Nazim Adil al-Haqqani speaks with someone on the phone:)

This is Allah’s Shari`ah, Divine Law. If you do not hold on to Allah’s Shari`ah, it will be of no use. We stand up for Allah’s Shari`ah however much we can. There is a remedy for everything. Nowadays, all people are clashing with each other: in Turkey, in Damascus, Syria…it’s a complete mess! By Allah (swt)’s permission, this is a sign for the coming of Mahdi (a).

The battle will occur! These battles, clashes, conflicts between the unbelievers and the mu’mins will undoubtedly take place. (…) Let them recite. Those who take to the streets must refrain from shouting in vain, but rather they should recite, “Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! (O Victorious One, Who is never defeated)

Let us see if their weapons are more powerful or ours; it will eventually be clear. These are new instructions that are coming down; our instructions for all Muslims. They must not use weapons; we do not need weapons! Instead, they should walk by reciting this zhikr. When they are ordered to stop (by the officials), they should stop and recite (from where they are standing) (…) They must not use weapons but they should recite this as they are walking: “Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! Let them recite this. Do you understand? No one has a weapon more stronger and more powerful than this. Then afterwards, they should go on to recite, “RabbunAllah, HasbunAllah! RabbunAllah, HasbunAllah! RabbunAllah, HasbunAllah! RabbunAllah, HasbunAllah!” And see if any of their forces will remain! I will sort them out one by one! No need for weapons. When they (the officials) tell you to remain where you are, stop walking, then begin calling out, “Yaa ghaaliban ghayra maghloob! Yaa shaahidan ghayra ba`eed? waajid(3x) (Mawlana Shaykh Adnan Kabbani: Mashaa-Allah, futuhat!) Yaa qareeban, yaa mujeeban, yaa qareeban ghayra ba`eed! (O Close One, never far away). This will be enough to have their hearts explode.

Angels will surely descend on Sham. They must not use weapons! Grandshaykh (q) once told me that Sham will be surrounded by 700 angels, 700 jinn, and 700 Budala, Nujaba, Nuqaba, Awtaad, Akhyaar; they will descend on Sham and give them what they deserve. Our spiritual support is hazir, ready there! (Shaykh Hisham Kabbani and Shaykh Adnan Kabbani: Aamanna wa sadaqna! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!) (…) They invited us to be there too. Okay, so be patient.

Lefke, 23.04.2011 (translated from Turkish)

http://www.sufismus-online.de/DontUseWeapons

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I wonder if anybody from Homs can verify this horrible story:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/09/09/syria.unrest/index.html

Abughassan, I can confirm it 100%. Make that 500%. I thought everyone knew about it?

Belal was a very prominent activist. The army had been after him for months. In the end it took a massive armed operation to find him.

Al-Berr is a hospital in Al-Wa3er, it runs on donations by the people of Homs. It was the last hospital that would take wounded demonstrators. Only in Syria, or the not-so-advanced-civilization of Iran, are wounded demonstrators hounded even in emergency wards. It was a war crime, one of many for which junior will face the hang man.

Egypt unrest, Turkey row deepen Israeli isolation – 43 minutes ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jdPezcBFWwx5EYmvTyu2sV_lD0_g?docId=CNG.4dd28a7c98f80c593e306e83d0eeefa5.631

Along with Jordan it is still one of only two Arab states to host an Israeli ambassador.

*** JORDANIANS YOUR SILENCE IS DEAFENING! ***

*** NUFF SAID ***

Turkey taking israel to The Hague – Istanbul, September 11, 2011

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article2442560.ece

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday vowed to carry his country’s spat with Israel over last year’s killing of Turkish nationals aboard Gaza flotilla ship the Mavi Marmara to the International Court of Justice in The Hague.

He vowed to continue the legal struggle for justice for the nine people killed on the ship.

*** NUFF SAID ***

Bassam the Shbbee7

Abughassan

Bassam Alfadhi is now officially a shabbee7. He is inciting a soon to be indicted war criminal to commit more crimes against humanity. He will be as liable as anyone who does that including the Iranian agents on SC.

3arabi

So Criminal Jr. and his brother accept reforms. Well, whether the Arab league wants it or not, Syrians will not waite until 2014. By then, the Assad criminals and their mafia gang will be rotting in jail after their trials. The Arab league initiative calls for accountability of all those responsible for acts of violence and suppression. If they were serious, they should have come with an ultimtum for the head mafioso to turn himself in.

I think the other Arab tyrants have problem seeing the assads criminal mafia family being deposed. If the Syrians can depose this worst of scums, then their own people can easily depose them. It figures.

Those agents of the regime here, will for sure be held liable for their aiding nd abetting war criminals. The Syrian mukhabarat, like its nazi predecessor keeps meticulous records. And these records will be open for all to see. So will the Iranian security agencies after we Syrians help our Iranian brothers and sisters get rid of their own scums. Anyone knows the name of a special Iranian rodent?

ANN’s good News
Sure Ann, nough said. Finally fashar and natenyahooo will get will share abunk bed in the Hague. I heard Netenhayooo is a real bully.

156. majedkhaldoon said:

S S is an Iranian SAFAWI,that is enough insult.Safawi they hate Arab,because the prophet is Arabic, and they hate Sunni,because Arab are Sunni.

Aljazeera Network has proved under Waddah Khanfar,that they are excellent network,and very reliable,they do their best to tell about what is happening,they are there immidiately,and take a lot of risk to inform everyone about the truth.
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Abughassan said,

(( Educated people must compare notes and collect news from different sources to try to get closer to the truth.no single news source can be trusted to provide the whole truth.))

Do you think that our Arab brethren educated ?

“The Syrian mukhabarat, like its nazi predecessor keeps meticulous records. ”

You’d be amazed how much of those records have made it outside of the mukhabarat. These days the amin has the stink of rats preparing to save themselves on the DAB, and 20,000 liras will buy alot of redemption seeking thugs hehehehe.

Sandro, why the long face bro? Have you ever seen me glum or disheartened? Nope, and I’ll tell you why. I have the advantage of knowing what the other side is thinking. Trust me, they are not happy campers in the least bit. What do they have to look forward to? A country that is forever in revolt as long as junior stays in power.

They don’t know which army unit will break away next, which fellow muKHARAbarat is cutting a deal by exposing informers or providing video clips. And forever, they have to keep a front-line war-like level of military preparedness, lest another city or town slip out of their grasp. Oh, and none of them can ever leave Syria again.

That’s just what they have to look forward to. You haven’t seen despair, until you’ve seen the face of a man who knows how grim his future is.

“Do you think that our Arab brethren educated ?”

Sure I am. I get my news from numerous sources; Al-Arabiya,Al-Jazeera,BBC, Al-Jazeera English, CNN, Al-Jazeera Mubashar, BBC Arabic LOL! 🙂

Seriously dude, only idiots still watch Al-Dunya, especially when that channel tried to blatantly pass off a video of a Lebanese beating as being in Syria. At best, they are unprofessional slobs. At worst, perverted propaganda goons.

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http://www.watan.com/flash/??????-?????-????-????-???-??-???-???-????-????-???-?????-???????-????-???????-?-?????.html

Pedar sag, madar gabeh Iroonis, get out Majosis, raafidisn, we wil destroy your shitty country,belra az del knoman borunmahsrgd I HATE PERSIANS.

Khalid,,
How can a Muslim hate another Muslim for the sake of the enemy of Islam, Just asking.

Persians are not Muslims (most of them are not). Anyway this is not abt Islam, it is the Majos fake ambition to be a superpower and control the Arabs.

We prefer Arab Christians to Persians ( and to fake Arab wannabe Persians like Arab Shias and Alawis). Arab Christians like yourself should smell the coffee and realize the day Iran gets a strong hand over Lebanon and Syria you are dead. Instaed you should repose your faith in the conservative Muslims, clearly the Qur’an states that Christians are “protected persons” and it is 7aram to kill or abuse a protected person without justification. Also, do not forget great Sunni caliphs like ‘Umar ibn al-Khattab, Khalid ibn al Walid, ‘Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, Salahedin Alayoubi, etc. who were greatly tolerant to Christians to the extent that when some fanatic Muslims damaged Churches, ‘Umar (radiallahu anh) repaired the adamge using the money from Bait al-Mal (which is basically Muslim taxpayer’s money). So Norman, why don’t you and some of your more dull-witted brethren whose demigods are people like Michel Aoun, Michel Sleiman, Jean Kahwaji, and not Jesus (aleihis-salaam) smell the coffe, like our esteemed friend Dr. Haytham Khoury ?

The horror stories coming out of Syria makes enemies cringe. Just met two Syrian businessmen today. They spoke with utter disgust about what they saw and heard first hand.

The first was telling us of a distributor who goes around Damascus suburbs, Dariya is where this incident happened.

A friend called him, who happened to be a pharmaceutical distributor, he asked him, where are you going, to make a horrific story short, they went together, a long line up of cars on a checkpoint, they decided to take a detour, they were stopped, interrogated. The other guy’s phone rang, he did not pick up. Assad security men ordered him to answer the call. He did not saying : it is my wife, I am not picking, he was reordered, the man this time said again, it is my wife, what will I tell her if I answered?

Authority combined with immorality and the laws of jungle, gave the Assad men the excuse to slap him, and they were both pushed to a car and disappeared for three days.

They were taken to some place, both stripped, only from their underwear, of course they were greeted with more slaps. They gave the first a pen and a paper, sat him on a desk and told him to write everything he worked or did from the time he left the army duty. He sat, with every passing turd, as Aboud call them, and rightly so, they will slap him on the neck. He turned around and said, can you please allow me some time to finish my righting!

The answer was, you want more time, and with a harder blow, he banged his forehead on the table, was lifted and with a big blow to his face, they broke his jaw.

They made him sign papers on the third day, that he will not join protests? to go pick his cloth from a room filled with cloths, he picked anything and showed at his employee door. The man was happy to see him, but as he was limping and unable to talk….

The second atrocity, took place in Damascus during Ramadan. As young man finished playing cards waiting for his friend to pick him up, two turds stopped him and asked him to hand his gun! Of course he did not have, they slapped him and told him to crawl on his elbows, bark like a dog, one turd will order him to go to the other, until his friend came, he was ordered to do the same, now they are two. After an 2 hours, they apologized from both, and said: we were bored, we had a good time, you can leave now.

This is what, how these turds do, we use to hear these stories from Lebanese, and we said nothing, humiliation or liquidation are traits of mafias. What we have in Syria is worse.

Lots of more horror stories.. I do not want to bore you. May God protect our people. For the lack of anything else to say, when words are..

Khalid Tlass:

Khalid Ibn al-Walid was not a Caliph like you said.

I do not blame you because your education is probably kind of shady as one can tell from your stories about al-Majus.

As being great, Khalid Ibn al-Walid was great at one thing: killing people. Read at what he did in al-Iraq to prisoners of war.

Khaled Ibn al-Walid killed Muslims and non Muslims with the same ruthlessness. Khalid Ibn al-Walid killed one Muslim Man Malik Ibn Nuwayrah ???? ??? ?????and took his wife.

Khalid Ibn al-Walid is another great criminal you think of as a hero.

As for your Caliph Umar Ibn al-Khattab and the Christians as far as I know he issued the most unjust piece of document known as al-Ahda al-Umariyah ?????? ???????, which made the Christians second class citizens in every Muslim country from the day Islam entered them till now.

AS for the Iranians; they did establish most of your Sunni beliefs. Probably you liked them then, and would have loved them now if they were Sunnis of course.

Khalid,

The Christians of Iraq were counted on Saddam Hussein, still killed and attacked by the Islamist Sunni, How do you explain that,

Christians are not against anybody to be president, Sunni or otherwise, what they fear the most is chaos that will make it easy to get killed without accountability, Christians in Saudi, Jordon and Kuwait are better of than the Christians in Iraq, the difference is security as without it they will leave fearing for their lives,

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Mjahali is still sore about the battle of Qadisiya. LOL!

I’m sure the Persian armies of the time kept to the word of the Geneva Conventions *rolls eyes*

NZ, and these (edited for bad language) wonder why no one likes them. Bunch of crap-eaters stuck up over Ali not getting the caliphate. Whining little (deleted).

Islamophobes only, 

Told you, I am going to keep you uptodate.  Again just trying to help

US editor to collaborate on Majidi film
Fri Sep 9, 2011 4:34PM GMT
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/198276. 

American film editor and sound designer Walter Scott Murch will visit Tehran to discuss collaboration with award-winning Iranian filmmaker Majid Majidi.

Murch will meet Majidi about the director’s cinematic rendition of Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) life, IRNA reported. 

Majidi’s film will focus on Prophet Muhammad’s (PBUH) life from childhood until prophethood. 
 ……….. 
Set decorator of Emir Kusturica’s tragic-farce Underground Aleksandar Denic and three-time Academy Award winning Italian cameraman Vittorio Storaro are also set to collaborate on the project. 
…….. 
Walter Scott Murch started editing and mixing sound with Francis Ford Coppola’s 1969 Rain People and won his first Academy Award nomination for The Conversation. 

He won his first Oscar for Francis Ford Coppola’s Apocalypse Now and a double Oscar for sound and film editing of The English Patient directed by Michael Ondaatji.

Democracy = secular country.
it is clear that a country based on a religion has no future in the 21st century!
it is also clear that many of the ” educated Arabs and Syrian per se” who live in the west are not secular. The opposition of Syria in the west at least as it is at the current time are mostly radicals educated Syrians who fled Syria for one reason or another in the past.
I don’t see here many people here asking to have a secular Syria, mostly the Islamists want to have Syria ruled by the Sunni and the rest of the Syrians can go to hell as far as Islamists concern. If the opposition shows a 21st century vision for a secular democratic syria ruled by law of the land based on equality, freedom and human rights respect then most of the syrians would support the change but it is clear that the sunni rulers are worse if not same like any others.
To have democracy in the middle east we have to leave religion out of the state that’s very clear which neither the society or the educated are not ready for. we can’t have the Imams telling us what is good for us and what life is about. organized religion is for people who don’t use their brain to judge what’s human being life is worth or about, if you still believe that there is 17 virgins are waiting for a martyer then you are sick and belongs to the stone age… and the question comes what’s waiting for a female martyer? or she is a female she gets nothing in heaven, wake up guys drops this non sense and join the advances of human being in the 21st and centuries to come.

it is clear that the Arabic spring is turning into the radical Islamic cold winter which will take the arab countries few centuries backward like taliban in Afganistan or like the Turks did to the Arabs for decades.
it is

I think the truth need to be said about the Syrians-christians.
The protestators have been very clear since the beggining with chanting “one one one, the Syrian people is one”.
If you believe that a NATO-wahhabi-plot is going on in Syria, you don’t need to believe the protestators.

My christians friends in Damascus have all a different opinion.
For some, the regime should stay in place because no one can assure their safety the DAB.
For others, Basho is taking them hostage, just as he is taking the alawi hostage. By telling the population that the uprising in a salafi one, he’s scaring these community, and he tries to unite them behind him. But do you really think people are that stupid ? hey can see well in Asad’s game, whether they’re christians, alawi or sunni… The demonstrators knows that the christians are not responsable for the crackdown, neither the alawi. Therefor, those communities have nothing to be afraid of.
Let the officials of each sects talk as they wish. Most of them are as corrupted as generals and businessmen in Syria…

“For some, the regime should stay in place because no one can assure their safety the DAB.”

Unfortunately, Christians aren’t alone in being cautious in this regard. While the regime’s atrocities are great, people have every right to know what is going to replace it. *THAT* now should be the over riding imperative of the opposition; to get people behind a clear plan for a post-Baath Syria.

The plan doesn’t even have to be detailed, but there has to be *something*.

“I don’t see here many people here asking to have a secular Syria”

Really? How many people do you see here calling for an MB/Salafi/Wahabi type theocracy?

“it is clear that the sunni rulers are worse if not same like any others.”

Well if you can identify those “Sunni Rulers” then you’d be doing me a favor.

“if you still believe that there is 17 virgins are waiting for a martyer then you are sick and belongs to the stone age”

72 virgins. Hehe, kidding.

“it is clear that the Arabic spring is turning into the radical Islamic cold winter ”

Not clear at all. But I’d be happy to put your fears to rest, if you could share them.

I will appreciate feed back.

Diagnosing oppression in terms of religious ethnocentrism is superficial.

Arab Spring is nothing less, nothing more, it is about: RECLAIMING ARAB DIGNITY.

A dignified man is a free man. To me dignity is synonymous with freedom.

I do not detest bashar for being an Alawite, nor the Zionists for being Jews, nor Saddam or Qaddafi…. I detest them all for denying me my dignity, my freedom. Zionists for denying Palestinians their dignity, their freedom. Do I differentiate between one or the other, not at all.

So to those who bring religion/sectarianism into the equation, I say fear oppression, it can be disguised in many ways.

Mjabali
you have wrong informations about Khaled Ibn ALWALEED, He was a strong Army leader, with great accomplishments,but you say he killed Muslems, that you are wrong, he did not kill Malik Ibn Nuwayrah, nor he ordered him to be killed, it was cold night and He ordered him to be WARMED, He did not know that in that area the word warm means kill,Arab has different meaning to the same word, As you know Sarho in some areas mean dismiss, and in other areas means kill,he was taken to court, and it was decided that it was misunderstanding of his order.please when you tell the story be accurate.

Birthday song for junior

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“Ghayath Matar, a non-violent activist, advocate and a member of Darya coordination was killed today under torture after days of his detention, with Yahya Shurbaji and others. And one day after an officer called his family telling them what they will do to him in details… Today his dead body was returned to his mother and father and his pregnant wife’s (lifeless mutilated with withdrawn larynx, and they said to them in all cruelty : (they made kabab out of him).”

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I hope all the wishes will come true, hope some One is listening.
Looks like, even evils have birthdays.

Memo To: HANS

RE: “…it is clear that a country based on a religion has no future in the 21st century…”

Oh you poor little man. So deaf, so blind, so pathetically Scandinavian.

Question: do you think the world in the 21st century is getting MORE religious or LESS? The answer is more.

Regarding the Middle East, I see Syria, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya all adopting governments with clerical representation and influence right at the top, once their revolutions shake out.

For all you who doubt it, please recall that in Iran many of the young revolutionaries wanted a secular government. It wasn’t a foregone conclusion early on that Iran’s revolution would result in a theocracy. It happened the way it did because the religious factions were the toughest and most committed — just as they are in Syria…

“For all you who doubt it, please recall that in Iran many of the young revolutionaries wanted a secular government”

Wow, 1979 Persia is sooooooo relevant to 2011 Syria….not. Typical Orientalist, lumping all of us Middle Easterners together. Since the Ayatollah’s revolution, the world and region has learned from the failed experiment that is theocratic Iran. Syrians want to vacation in Dubai and Beirut, not Tehran.

you just gotta laugh at the menhebaks……
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im not going to cite besho’s page anymore. after further inspection i realized its full of conspiracies and pathetic “news”.
i turn my attention to mr. mohammed hamwi.
hey mohammmed , when you visited did you come by midan? rikn al deen? rifa3i mosque?

Majedkhaldon:

Khalid ibn al-Walid was a war criminal plain and simple. He killed prisoners of war on numerous occasions. As for his story with Malik ibn Nuwayrah, who was a Muslim when he was killed here is a little link to what some Sunni historians had said about the matter and how Khalid Ibn al-Walid killed the man and took his wife and had sex with her the same night.

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General Arboud:

You are saying that I am still sore about the defeat of the Persians at al-Qadisiyah.

For real you are Homsi, do you think I care about the Persians or the blood thirsty Muslims, or who was nicer than the other? I know that both were violent and used violence.

For me al-Qadisiyah was a battle between two colonial powers; the Persians and the Muslim Arabs on the land of the Iraqis.

Both of these warring expansionist empires were fighting on the land of Iraq; a land they both pillaged and looted.

Oh, I forgot, you speak like the Baathis and therefore you have an accusation to throw at me. You say that I am an Iranian Agent. I always respected the Iranians,but, I am agent to no one Mr. Cheese. I pity your brain. You, with one sentence erase the Iranian mind and belittle their achievements through history. The biggest thing that Homs is known for these days is a type of sweet and of course it has cheese in it for real.

As for Ali Ibn Abi Talib and if he was the first of last Caliph, of course I care less, and I laugh and pity your accusatory brain every time you and your crew throw this label at me.

Mjahali, I see now you are into revisionist history.

For those who don’t know, Khalid ibn Al Waleed was Islam’s greatest general. Before he became a Muslim, he dealt Muhamad his first military defeat, turning the tables at the battle of Uhud, when the Islamic army had all but won it. He went on to beat both the pussy Persians and the Romans, and conquer Persia, Iraq, and Syria for the Muslims.

Mjahali, and other Iranians, have a beef with Khalid after 1400 years because…well, you’ll have to ask them. Khalid is buried in a mosque in Homs, near the Khaldia neighborhood, one of the most patriotic and resilient areas of Homs. Homsis are proud to call themselves Ahfad Khalid, the descendents of Khalid.

Sure beats being a Persian descendent of the SASSanid empire….who the heck except for Persians has even heard of it anyway.

And yet Mhajali, you are obsessed with Khalid ibn al Waleed. I mean, it’s totally bizarre. Everytime someone says something nice about him, you seethe and come out of your hiding place and try to convince us he was a Besho Athad-like mass murderer. It’s psychotic, to be so obsessed over a guy who lived 1400 years ago.

I mean, the things you described? Big f*cking deal, even if they are true (which they aren’t, it’s the Persian version of history…the losing side’s version), I can name you three dozen historical figures who were indisputably mass murderers. But you are so stuck up over Al-Qadisiya even after 1400 years 🙂

And again, I’m so sorry that Ali wasn’t the first Caliph, but you really really really need to get over it. Looking at how Islam expanded, I’d say Abu Baker, Omar and Othman did a heck of a job LOL!

Man, these shabehas, with their stone age obsessions and mentalities….

“You, with one sentence erase the Iranian mind and belittle their achievements through history. ”

And yet your head Persian once said “Economics is for donkeys” LOL!

This has been a history lesson from Aboud, men Ahfad Khalid 🙂

Here are some quotes attributed to Khalid ibn al Waleed, Islam’s greatest general.

“Do you see a space of the span of a hand on my leg, chest, arm which is not covered by some scar of the wound of a sword or an arrow or a lance?”

“I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life.”

And his most famous

“And here I am, dying in my bed, like cattle die. May the eyes of cowards never sleep.”

Now, let’s see what the Persians have given us lately.

Ahmadinejad, “There are no gays in Iran” (hey fake seculars, you paying attention?)

And the head Ayatollah “Economics is for donkeys”

This has been a history lesson, men Ahfad Khalid.

General Arboud:

What revisionist history? you are the revisionist in this case because you adopt what the revisionists say about Khalid ibn al-Walid. I am presenting you with a new perspective about the man and a modern way to judge his behavior according to the norms and laws we have today. I doubt that you know what the word “revisionist” mean or how to be used. You just know how to label and slander with no real meat in your argument.

Also, I am bringing you what the Sunni Muslim scholars had written about Khalid Ibn al-Walid.

You, and most Muslims(Shia, Sunnis….etc), are afraid from applying the modern codes of ethics when it comes to people like Khalid Ibn al-Walid.

AS for your repeated accusation about me bring Iranian, to bad for you mr. Cheese, I am Syrian and my ancestors are from those who were in Syria before Khalid Ibn al-Walid and his crews invaded Syria.

Mjabali
you keep spreading Shiite version , and you are avoiding the truth, Malik was apostate, he agreed to consider Sajjal as a prophetess, and later believed Musaylamah as prophet after Sajjal married Musaylamah,to say he was a muslem is just not true, a man who changed his religion so many times, and worked with Sajjal,believed she was a prophetess,and later fought with Musaylamh, he was not Musslem, and Further he did not killed or ordered the killing of Malik,
You are taking The shiite side,and it was decided in Court that he did not intended to kill him.
Enough of spreading The Iranian side of the story,by the way, The shiite do not hate AbuBaker as much as they hate Omar.
Remember the crusaders killed much more,people, and Army leaders they killed many but to call them criminals they have to kill in cold blood,not during war.you are full of hate and wrath.

General Arboud:

you say that I came out of my hiding to trash talk your hero the war criminal Khalid ibn al-Walid, guess what: it is obvious that people like you are AFRAID of my version of history.

You shake with anger when I speak like harshly about a figure like Khalid ibn al-Walid: do you want me to talk about other criminals like al-Qa3qa3 ibn Amro, or Salah al-Din al-Ayyubi? I am ready and know their criminal history and ready to take them and their mentality to court.

Your weak defense want to name us many other mass killers, what a defense? Who cares if you name 500000000 other mass murderers. They all should go to COURT. This does not mean we declare Khalid Ibn al-Walid not guilty of mass killing war prisoners, something he did?

Funny how you still admire how Islam expanded through invading the land of others…Where is your horse and sword general?

Uh mjahali, applying modern standards would make everyone in history a criminal, even prophets. Amazing you get all worked up over a man who died 1400 years ago, but can’t spare any of your misplaced anger for an x-box child president. But then , I gues your ayatollahs didn’t give you those orders yet.

Mjahali, a Persian who instead of condemning tanks in Hama, spams this forum with “WHERE ARE YOUR FRENCH TANKS!” lol, I think I’ll write a book called “don’t sweat the 1400 year old small stuff, get over Ali already”

Where is my horse and sword general? Looool Khalid has been dead for 1400 years ya Persian. But im so glad to see salahudin and all the other great Islamic leaders have the power to piss you off, after all these centuries.

Where is your xbox president? Does he dare take a trip outside of Syria? Why doesn’t he go visit his Persian buddies and they can whine about Khalid together.

So ya fake secularist, your hero the persian president is a holocaust denier and gay basher. But of course, mentally disturbed 1400 year obsessed menhebaks would rather….obsessed over 1400 year grievances 🙂

To all of you who think that the Shia Arabs are Iranians or Persians, I just want to remind you that most Iraqis and Bahrainis are Shia, so if you do not want to lose Iraq and Bahrain to Persia, you should reconsider and and consider them as Arabs as you are or they would leave the Arab nation and the the people you accuse them of belonging to, so wake up before you become responsible for the fragmentation of the nation you claim the right and the need to save.

Mr. Majedkhaldon:

I am not spreading any Iranian views on Khalid Ibn al-Walid. Read what I posted and you will see Sunni sources about the matter. I hope you will read it again.

Be open to new ideas, do not label me with anger and hate and slanders like that, see my version of history and tell me if it is true or not!

As for killing in cold blood, read how Khalid Ibn al-Walid killed Malik and his men after they were CAPTURED and not in battle. The texts are right in front of your eyes. They were written by Sunnis. I am not making anything up. I am just showing you what they do not teach you in the official history that you learned.

I do not root for any type of ruthless generals, especially those who invade the land of others and enslave them.

FSA downs a regime’s copter over Darayya, early this morning.
Such confirms their aquisition of anti-aircraft weapons.

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General Cheese:

Again you have nothing to add to the topic so you resort to slander plus running away from providing any REAL knowledge.

Now the X-Box president and the Ghost Tank are in your answers, I pity you again. As for X boxes I know for sure you have one.

AS for spamming: You are the reigning king of spam. Who could challenge you? You have nothing to do except for spamming all day your hatred and vile comments.

I pity you who is considering himself better than the Iranians, or anyone else.

AS for what I should or should not say: THIS IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS.

Regime’s vadalsim and destruction in a clinic in Kifroomah, Idlib.
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Uh, “enslave them”. Then my opinion of the Persians has just dropped another notch. Who the hell adopts the religion of a people out to enslave them?

Mjahali gets all steamed up over 1400 year old wars, but doesn’t have an angry word to spare for the X-Box murdering war criminal and his Alawite friends. What kind of a secularist supports a president who is a holocaust denier and gay basher.

This is the kind of unthinking, lack-of-independent critical analysis that junior draws his support from, people who are so unsophisticated that they believe that Al-Jazeera is smuggling crazy pills into the country. The same kind of unsophisticated sheep like thinking that believes a beating in Lebanon by a Lebanese mob, was actually evidence of revolution violence.

Next, the Persians will be posting Youtube videos claiming to show Khalid ibn al Waleed and Salahudin strangling a baby kitten LOL!

Mr. Norman:

It is common for Sunnis to label anyone who does not fit their agenda as being an Iranian. I think this is very pathetic and of course RACIST.

I am Syrian and for Syria in everything I say and do. I also want Syria to be away from anything to do with this Iranian regime, but still some on this board label me as Iranian because I do not agree with their agenda.

Don’t you think that they are retards?

If I wasn’t bored today believe me I would not wast a second arguing with these hateful characters.

Now I am off to have a beer instead of arguing with these lonely people.

Mjahali, your anger and pain over 1400 year old wars and battles is your problem. I read history to learn from it. You read it to seek out reasons to feed your furnace of unhealthy and bizarre grievances.

It’s like the Persians can’t live without being miserable over centuries old grievances. A people in perpetual victimhood mode cannot operate in a modern society. How can such people be expected to solve 21st century problems, when they can’t get over losing the battle of Al-Qadisiya. It is a primitive mentality, and such people should be contained within their own borders, for the good of the region and the world.

I should write a book, “Chicken soup for the i’m-always-a-victim-complex soul” 🙂

General Arboud:

Question: How many women did the Muslims took as SLAVES from North Africa when they invaded it?

Aboud,I like those words of wisdom,we can not live in the past. This is an invitation to all to move forwad. If you managed to reach this conclusion in your late twenties or early thirties,my estimation of your age based on your writings,then I congratulate you. I hope you are not my age 🙂

“Don’t you think that they are retards?”

Is this an example of your superior-intelligent-Persian-debating skills? Wow, 4000 years of pre-Islamic civilization, and Ahfad-some-scruffy-Persian-emperor could only come up with “retard”?

Hand down, Ahfad Khalid have much better put downs. Besho. Junior. X-Box president.

Let it be recorded, people, that the day after Nabel Al Arabi came to Syria with a possible way out for Besho, the menhebaks instead choose to whine about 1400 year old battles they lost LOL 🙂

Abughassan, I’m not in my 40s, but neither am I in my early 20s 🙂

Mjahali, a million women, all sex slaves to do our every bidding. What you gonna do about it? Seeth for the rest of your life? LOL!

What an idiotic and irrelevant question. It’s only relevant to seething Persians forever looking for a grievance, even if they have to go back to the days of the dinosaurs.

General Cheese:

I am teaching you tonight a free history class and you run to accuse me with this and that and try to dive deep into my character….I pity your brain again ya Homsi. This is what they taught you in debate classes?

Denying that it is relevant when Muslims took non-Muslim women as slaves is a farce… it is scary how casual you mention it… you think it is okay to take them as slaves. You belong to the 7th C. and you still live in the 7th. C. and you want us to live in the 7th C. See who is stuck 1400 years behind?

The information posted by MJABALI about Khaled Ibn Alwalid is accurate and from sunni references. The 1st enemy for these extremists and terrorists is the truth.

“I am teaching you tonight a free history class”

Actually, you are trying to peddle revisionist history, the version of history as presented by someone in desperate need of a grievance to fuel his hate obsessed personality, someone who has achieved the remarkable and disturbing feat of getting worked up over a man dead since 1400 years, and yet doesn’t dare say a word against a modern day murdering psychopath who only became president by accident.

I have no respect at all for people who cherry pick history to feed their hatred. In the thousands of years of human history, we can find many more examples to love our fellow man. But that is not the way of the Persian menhebak.

It’s a good thing Mjahali and his ilk were never in charge of US foreign policy. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have stood by the UK in WW2, since they would have nurtured a grudge over the war of 1816.

And they wouldn’t have stood with West Berlin, as Stalin tried to strangle it. There could never exist, among the Persians, a John Kennedy, proclaiming to the world “ich bin ein berliner”.

The French-German post war reconciliation miracle would have been impossible had a Persian lead either one of these countries. Italy would never have been allowed into NATO.

Mjahali probably believes that Obama is a direct descendent of the Crusaders, and the Syrian revolution is an extension of the crusades.

I came across few posts that rotate around the question whether alawis are Muslims or not.here is my take,not that it makes any difference:
Even in the US,there are still Christians,catholic or not,who consider other Christians not to be ” true Christians”. People who stick to this idea are usually ignorants or have a political agenda,for example,if the Syrian constitution requires the president to be a Muslim,and a majority agrees that alawis are not Muslims,then an alawi will never be president. Alawis are a diverse group,some practice most or all Islamic rituals and can easily be “mistaken” for an orthodox Sunnis,many more are less adherent to those rituals but they still share many or most beliefs with Sunnis. In summary,alawis are not orthodox Muslims but they are still muslims. There is a minority of alawis who believe that they are the true Muslims and that all other Muslims have abandoned the prophet’s wasiyyas about ahl albayt. Many alawis are not practicing Muslims but the same can be said,to a lesser extent,about Sunnis and the same is true about many Christians .
Religion and politics should not be mixed,it is a prescription for trouble especially in a diverse society.

3arbood and majedfal3oot;

THE TORTURE OF AL ALBIET BY SUNNI: PART 1

All the references below are narrations from Sunni sources which describe the story of last days of Fatima, and her martydom.

Abu Ja’far Baladhuri Ahmad Bin Yahya Bin Jabir Baghdadi, one of the SUNNI reliable traditionists and historians, writes “when Abu Bakr called Ali to swear allegiance, Ali refused. Abu Bakr sent Umar who went with a torch to set fire to Ali’s house. Fatima came to the door and said: “O son of Khattab! Have you come to set my house on fire?” He said: “Yes, this is more effective than anything your father did.”

Izzu’d-Din Ibn Abi’l-Hadid Mu’tazali, and Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari, narrate that Umar went to the door of Ali’s house with Usayd Bin Khuza’i, Salama Bin Aslam and a group of men. Umar then called out, “Come out! Or else I’ll set your house on fire!”

Ibn Khaziba reports in his Kitab-e-Gharrar from Zaid Bin Aslam, who said: “I was one of those who went with Umar with torches to Fatima’s door. When Ali and his men refused to offer allegiance, Umar said to Fatima, “Let whoever is inside come out. Otherwise, I will set the house on fire along with whoever is inside.” Ali, Hasan, Husain, Fatima, and a party of the Prophet’s companions, and the Bani Hashim were inside. Fatima said: “Would you set my house on fire along with me and my sons?” He said: “Yes, by Allah, if they do not come out and pay allegiance to the caliph of the Prophet.”

Abu Muhammad Abdullah Bin Muslim Bin Qutayba Bin Umar Al-Bahili Dinawari, who was one of your ulema and an official Qazi of the city of Dinawar, writes in his famous Ta’rikhu’l-Khulafate Raghibin wa Daulate Bani Umayya, known as Al-Imama wa’s-Siyasa, Volume I, page 13: “When Abu Bakr learned that a group hostile to him had assembled in Ali’s house, he sent Umar to them. When Umar shouted to Ali to come out and to swear allegiance to Abu Bakr, they all refused to come out. Umar collected wood and said ‘I swear by Allah, Who has my life in His control, either you will come out, or I will set the house with all those in it on fire.’ People said: ‘O Abu Hafsa! Fatima is also present in the house.

FYI onlyL Umar(RA) was the enemy of islam first. Then he became muslim. Ali was the first to enter Islam and he never ever was KAFER initially; dont you agree 3arbood.

ISLAM AND POLITICS. FORGET ABOUT AL ALBIET; 3rabeed care less about AL ALBIET. Mohammad PUH died; who cares about his daughter, grand sons??? 3arbood.

“The Ansar, the leaders of the tribes of Medina, met in a hall or house called saqifah, to discuss whom they would support as their new leader. When Abu Bakr was informed of the meeting, he, Umar, Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah and a few others rushed to prevent the Ansar from making a premature decision. Accounts of this meeting vary greatly. All agree that during the meeting Umar declared that Abu Bakr should be the new leader, and declared his allegiance to Abu Bakr, followed by Abu Ubaidah ibn al-Jarrah, and thus Abu Bakr became the first Muslim caliph, who was given the title, Khalifa-tul-Rasool (Successor of messenger of Allah), a title only accepted by Sunni Muslims”.

Notice; Mohammad PUH was not yet buried.

Abu Bakr missed the funeral of Muhammad to attend the political gathering. None of Al biet Mohammad PUB were present at this political meeting rather they were taking care of the funeral.

From wikipedia

“Umar, alongside others in Makkah, opposed Islam and threatened to kill Muhammad. He resolved to defend the traditional, polytheistic religion of Arabia. He was most adamant and cruel in opposing Muhammad and very prominent in persecuting the Muslims.[14] Umar was the first man who resolved that Muhammad had to be murdered in order to finish Islam.[15] Umar firmly believed in the unity of the Quraish and saw the new faith of Islam as a cause of division and discord among the Quraish.[14]”

Sunni muslims as usual f…ck the facts, demolish minorities. They turned Islam from a religion to a political movement. They would kill in name of ALAH

From Wikipedia “Sunni Muslims are more apt to dismiss the claims of Ali and advance those of Abu Bakr — or, to dismiss Ali’s conversion as the act of an obedient child, not of the conscious choice of a grown man who had much to lose by following Muhammad. It is commonly said that Abu Bakr was the first grown man to accept Islam, and Ali the first child; this formulation does not draw any conclusions as to whether Abu Bakr or Ali was the very first male”.

Mjabali #205

Instead of parroting malicious statements from unknown sources how about you pick up these books and read them ? maybe then you’ll actually learn something.

Here’s a link so you can download the book (The History of the Prophets and Kings, Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk, popularly known Tarikh al-Tabari)
http://www.almeshkat.net/books/open.php?cat=13&book=620

You should also pay close attention to what Al-Tabari says in the introduction

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(1/13)”

Meaning, the guy didn’t check the stories or validate them, many stories might have been exaggerated or just simply fabricated all together, the guy says so himself in the very same book.

Another fact worth mentioning. We never got the original complete book. The first complete edition was introduced by Michael Jan de Goeje ( a Dutch orientalist ), who filled some sections from the book that were missing from other history books …

Khalid ibn alwalid was also kafer initially and then converted.

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Russia calls for talks to resolve Syria crisis – 2011-09-10

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/video/2011-09/10/c_131131880.htm

BEIJING, Sept. 10 (Xinhuanet) — Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has reiterated Russia’s belief in talks, to resolve the crisis in Syria. His remarks came, as the Syrian opposition is calling on Russia, to support their protests against the Assad regime.

Dmitry Medvedev, Russian president, said, “We must not idealize this situation, we must approach it from a balance of interests. We are ready to support different approaches, but they must not be based on one-sided condemnations on the actions by the government of President Assad. They must send a firm signal to all conflicting sides that they need to sit down at the negotiating table, they need to agree and stop the bloodshed.”

Following his election to the caliphate after a meeting in Saqifah, Abu Bakr and Umar with a few other companions headed to Fatimah’s house to obtain homage from Ali and his supporters who had gathered there. Then Umar threatened to set the house on fire unless they came out and swore allegiance with Abu Bakr.[37]

After the death of her father, Fatimah approached Abu Bakr and asked him to relinquish her share of the inheritance from Muhammad’s estate. Fatimah expected the land of Fadak (situated 30 mi (48 km) from Medina[40]) and a share of Khaybar would be passed onto her as part of her inheritance. However, Abu Bakr rejected her request citing a narration where Muhammad stated that prophets do not leave behind inheritance and that all their possessions become sadaqah to be used for charity. Fatimah was upset at this flat refusal by Abu Bakr and did not speak to him until her death (however some Sunni sources claim she had reconciled her differences with Abu Bakr before she died).[1]

The Sunnis state that on the morning of her death, she took a bath, put on new clothes and lay down in bed. She asked for Ali and informed him that her time to die was very close. Upon hearing this news, Ali began to cry but was consoled by Fatimah who asked him to look after her two sons and for him to bury her without ceremony. After her death, Ali followed her wishes and buried her without informing the Medinan people.[2]

THIS IS THE DAUGHTER OF MOHAMMAD PUH. She was buried and refused to allow any of the sunni politicians to pray on her. She went like her dad went, sunni never attended the funeral fo her dad as they were busy finding the the Clipha, she dies and she asked her husband to bury her secretely???why????.

Terrorist Tarek al-Balshah Recounts Details of Deceptive Black Rooms Connected to Instigative Media Channels

Sep 11, 2011

http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/09/11/368589.htm

DAMASCUS, (SANA) – One of the media aggression’s arms against Syria, terrorist Tarek al-Balshah, on Saturday recounted details of the deception committed at black rooms equipped with cutting-edge computers and communication devices with the aim of communicating with media channels and providing them with fabricated photos and footages.

In his confessions broadcast on the Syrian TV, al-Balshah confessed to participating in the protests in Lattakia before an old friend of him, Ma’moun al-Hammoudi, told him that protests in Lattakia should be exaggerated.

“When I asked him why we should do so, he said that his cousin, Ahmad Ridwan Hammoudi, is from the opposition and he is willing to send us money and cameras,” he added.

“I used to take Ma’moun via my taxi to the operation room which he made in Khirbet al-Jouz town in Jisr al-Shughour… I saw many people there, including engineer Mohammad Sabbagh, Jamil Saeb, his brother Salam Saeb, Mohammad Khawandi and Mohammad Z’aiter,” al-Balshah confessed.

He added “I saw many computers at the room in addition to Turkish internet devices and communication via internet devices… People at the room were working on the internet most of the time… They said that they recruited people to take photos of protests.”

“Al-Ikhwan members once included the late Mohammed Atef, Osama bin-Laden’s military commander, and Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al-Qaeda’s
political ideologue. The question for those studying Islamic terrorism is, “To what extent did the Muslim Brotherhood influence the suicide bomber Muhammad Atta and the blind cleric Shiekh
Omar Abd-al-Rahman?”

“The MB current theme has been radicalized by Egyptian Ikhwan contact with Saudi radicals and is expressed in the last two of the five key phrases of the organization’s pledge:
Allah is our objective.
The messenger is our leader.
Quran is our law.
Dying in the way of God is our highest hope.
Jihad is our way”

DAMASCUS, (SANA) – One of the arms of media aggressionagainst Syria, Tarek al-Balshah, on Saturday recounted details of the deception committed at black rooms equipped with cutting-edge computers and communication devices with the aim of communicating with media channels and providing them with fabricated photos and footages.

In his confessions broadcast on the Syrian TV, al-Balshah confessed to participating in the protests in Lattakia before an old friend of him, Ma’moun al-Hammoudi, told him that protests in Lattakia should be exaggerated.

“When I asked him why we should do so, he said that his cousin, Ahmad Ridwan Hammoudi, is from the opposition and he is willing to send us money and cameras,” he added.

“I used to take Ma’moun via my taxi to the operation room which he made in Khirbet al-Jouz town in Jisr al-Shughour… I saw many people there, including engineer Mohammad Sabbagh, Jamil Saeb, his brother Salam Saeb, Mohammad Khawandi and Mohammad Z’aiter,” al-Balshah confessed.

He added “I saw many computers at the room in addition to Turkish internet devices and communication via internet devices… People at the room were working on the internet most of the time… They said that they recruited people to take photos of protests.”

Al-Balshah confessed to delivering money, pen- and medal-shaped cameras and satellite internet devices to persons from Ma’moun Hammoudi.

He added that when he knew that he was wanted by the security forces, he fled to Turkey through the way smugglers usually take, where he was received by Hammoudi and was introduced to Turkish and Syrian persons who were coordinating with Hammoudi and were taking photos and filming videos of the border area.

Al-Balshah continued that he later came back to Lattakia with USD 500 from Hammoudi, with which he rented a house in al-Raml al-Janoubi, set up a fixed phone line and a computer and started to communicate with Hammoudi who asked him to contact with demonstrators so that to form a small coordinated grouping for a start.

He added that they held a meeting with 15 persons at which they formed a security committee, a field hospital, a medical committee and a media committee, which would assign persons to take photos and record videos of the demonstrations in exchange for money.

Al-Balshah said that he used to wonder at the large scale of the Photoshopped exaggeration of the number of the protesters in the videos when they were broadcast on the satellite channels they sent those videos to.

He also confessed to cooperating with persons he was introduced to through an internet room in France called ‘Smart’ who were providing Hmmoudi and other persons in Turkey with satellite transmission and iPhone devices and cameras and direct access to al-Jazeera and al-Arabia satellite channels.

Al-Balshah said he was also asked to work with France 24 channel and Barada channel as an eyewitness to report exaggerated news about the situation in al-Raml al-Janoubi saying that it was besieged and shelled by the army forces.

He pointed out to the supply of weapons which were provided to the gunmen in al-Raml al-Janoubi who also made homemade dynamite.

Al-Balshah referred to the criminal acts of kidnapping, killing and slaughtering the gunmen perpetrated against the inhabitants of al-Raml al-Janoubi.

It is the sad memory of 9/11; let us remind readers of one of the brutal killers and his connection with MB

“It was he (Mohammad Atta), trained as an architect and a pilot and belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood?-controlled “Engineers Syndicate,” who had practiced repeatedly for this moment of mass murder in the tallest of buildings. A moment that arrived precisely at 8:46 a.m. as he expertly leveraged the speeding jet between the 93rd and 98th floors of the North Tower, causing the structure to collapse”.

An important aspect of the Muslim Brotherhood ideology is jihad such as the 2004 fatwa issued by Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi making it a religious obligation of Muslims to abduct and kill U.S. citizens in Iraq.

3arbood and Majed Khaldoon;

Can you both educate us a little about the crimes commited by the MB in the past? Your comments are very appreciated and well read

Egyptian PM wants to quit over Israeli crisis – report

“Al Ahram”: Prime Minister Essam Sharaf wanted a tougher line against Israel, but was overruled by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces.

11 September 2011

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000681188

Egyptian daily “Al Ahram” reports that Prime Minister Essam Sharaf wants to resign, along with his cabinet, over the mounting crisis with Israel since a clash that left six Egyptian border guards dead, and a subsequent mob attack on the Israeli embassy, which prompted Israel to evacuate its ambassador and staff yesterday.

“Al Ahram” quotes a source as saying, “Sharaf wants to be relieved of his duties, and this has been the case for a while. Since he took office in the wake of the revolution he has demanded an end to his assignment at least twice, but the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) has declined.”

A source told the paper that Sharaf asked to be relieved of his duties during a meeting earlier today, but was turned down. However, the paper quotes another source denied that Sharaf presented his resignation.

“Al Ahram” quotes a source at the prime minister’s office as saying that Sharaf was in favor of recalling the Egyptian ambassador in Tel Aviv, “even if very briefly”, to meet popular demands of an angry Egyptian public in the wake of the border killings, but he was overruled by SCAF. The military council decided it was in the best interest of Egypt to settle for a mild expression of Israeli “regret” and a commitment to investigate the incident, along with securing Israeli consent for enhancing Egypt’s troop presence in Sinai.

A uniformed sniper on the roof of a building was caught on tape sniffing powder!
Note the rifle to his right side at the very beginning of the clip.

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‘Spinning the Egyptian Anti-Israel Protest’ – Sep-10-2011

NY Times ignores Israeli killing of Egyptians.

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september102011/egyptians-killed-aw.php

(SACRAMENTO antiwar.com) – Today’s New York Times front-page story on Egyptian protests against the Israeli embassy largely neglects a primary cause of the anger: Israeli forces’ killing of five Egyptians. Egyptian outrage over these deaths grew even greater when Israel’s defense minister Ehud Barak refused to apologize.
The story is co-written by Ethan Bronner, who is the Times’ Jerusalem Bureau Chief and is based in Israel, not Egypt. The Times fails to disclose that Bronner’s son is in the Israeli military (and that Mr. Bronner is living in a house Israel confiscated from Palestinians).

Only in the third-to-last paragraph of today’s article, which emphasizes Israeli victimization, does the Times mention that an “episode” that may be related to the Egyptian protests is the “accidental Israeli shooting of at least three Egyptian soldiers inside their territory…”

The Times fails to report that the Egyptians were not just shot, they were killed; that most reports say the victims were policemen (i.e. civilians), not soldiers; and that the number is five, not three.

It is noteworthy that the Times’ doesn’t bother to discover the number of Egyptians killed, content with simply saying “at least.” Over two weeks after the deaths, the precise number should not be difficult to ascertain. It is hard to imagine Mr. Bronner being so blithe about Israeli deaths, which the Times covers at disproportionately high rates.

The Times provides no information about these Egyptian deaths: there are no names, no interviews with grieving families, no descriptions of their agony, no photographs. Their killing is simply called “accidental;” an adjective it is difficult to recall Mr. Bronner ever using to describe the deaths of Israelis.

The Times also fails to include the fact that Israeli forces then killed 14 Gazans, including two toddlers and a 13-year old (and injured at least 50), whom they chose to hold responsible for a lethal border attack by unknown gunmen against Israel, and that in the past two weeks Israeli air strikes have killed 9 more Palestinians, including a 13-year-old. In the past few days Israeli forces have abducted at least 5 Palestinians, fired on non-violent protesters in Palestinian villages, and demolished Palestinian homes, wells, and agricultural land.

Such Israeli actions have long outraged Egyptians living next door. However, thanks to such filtered reporting by the Times and others, Americans almost never learn of them. Instead, we just hear about Israel, which has the third to fifth most powerful military in the world, once again being victimized by attackers.

Since the Times’ also almost never reports that Americans are Israel’s number one funder, giving more US tax money to Israel than to any other country, despite Israel’s wealth and diminutive size, many Americans fail to understand the growing hostility against the US created by our tax money to Israel.

On the eve of September 11th, we need to learn about the fundamental source of anger against the US. But don’t look to the New York Times to tell us.

Happy #BloodyBirthday ya Bashar; have a glass of “terrorist” blood on me

Revlon @ 217

“FSA downs a regime’s copter over Darayya, early this morning.
Such confirms their aquisition of anti-aircraft weapons.

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Dear Revlon,

I live at the end of the Southern Belt Highway or Al-Muta7aleq Al-Junubi overlooking the Mezzeh Airport and about less then a mile away from Darraya. I m also renting a warehouse in Darraya and have an employee who lives there 24/7. I m there almost everyday and I can assure you with 200% certainty that none of that took place. The same goes for the army split/ defection in Mezzeh airport that has been talked about for over a week now.

@244 Prove that the MB have a role in this revolution. After six months, all you have to show for it is your customary whine that the guy who set up a *Facebook* page is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. A guy who never calls for violence, nor sectarianism. Unlike the menhebaks on the Besho page.

Revlon @ 158

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Same goes for this one, complete fallacy!

Have a Happy one

http://youtu.be/at4dHpGbv6I

#251, no, the posts are 100% true. You aren’t the only one who knows people in that area.

There is a weary monotonous characteristic to the menhebak posts. They are like dogs who all fight over the same bone. When one menhebak starts a theme, all the others just have to jump on, even if that idea has been thoroughly discredited.

These menhebaks all seem to have been cut from the same cloth, created from the same cookie cutter.

Hehe, that’s actually a nice phrase. Cookie cutter menhebaks. Strange people who want to apply the Geneva conventions to wars 1400 years ago, but recoil at demanding the same from the holocaust denier in Tehran, or the X-Box butcher in Damascus.

At some point in their Persian Hatred Madrassas, they were taught to hate everyone from Abu Baker onwards. It is a primitive mode of thought that they could never break out of.

That and whining about French tanks.

Over the past two months, we have really witnessed an interesting experiment. One after one regime loyalists, with only little nudge from Khaled, and infrequent appearance from Abu Umar, were forced to draw their intellectual battle lines in defense of the regime. And these battle lines turned out purely sectarian. So much for a secular renaissance they claim to represent. One would wonder if they were afraid of discrimination, or is it equality that threatens them. From where I sit, it seems the latter.

Some have taken Norman lightly, but in all of this, he appears to be unscathed and unaffected by sectarianism, and one capable of retaining a nationalist stance for which I would not only congratulate him, but thank him. Occasionally his questions seem naïve as do some of his suggestions, but I would rather embrace Norman’s largely dignified curiosity, along with what seems to be a deeply rooted religious faith, a thousand times before aligning myself with the fake secularists.

On this same thread, EHSANI, the ever thoughtful realist threw the regime loyalist what could have been an intellectual lifeline along which they could have based some rational argument to justify their reluctance. They could have challenged us in the opposition by expanding on EHSANI’s questions of how could the revolution topple the regime, and could have probably won some of the debate on factual basis. But blinded by their unthinking loyalty to one of the most repressive regimes in modern history, they failed miserably. Aboud, (#10, #35) and others ( SYR.EXPAT , TARA , MAJEDKHALDOUN , SHEILA , and MUHAMMAD among others) in the opposition, on the other hand, took the challenge head on and mirrored it to the opposition, some he reflected on it, issued his own challenge, and pressed on. The loyalists had little to say or to take EHSANI’s argument further. Their anemic response consisting of propaganda comment from ss announcing the discovery of weapon caches, and a useless blather from MANGO . Only SF94213 made a serious attempt, which could have enriched the discussion had it been expanded. One can hardly equate the two approaches, and it is obvious to me as it should be to everyone else that the opposition is here to stay, that it is dedicated, and that it is much more thoughtful than regime loyalists try to paint it as, and that it has many more real seculars in its rank than the loyalist, whose ranks of real seculars continue to shrink considerably as the sectarian tone of their top guns became more pronounced, and the crimes of the regime became a non-stop numbing nightmare for Syria.

I hope that Aboud will stop using sectarian terms. Your writings hint of secular and cosmopolitan mind-set, so please don’t pollute your words by insisting on using sectarian terms even if you enjoy taunting the true sectarians and if you only attempt to poke fun at their own sectarianism. SHEILA and I have already demonstrated to you that the regime relies not only on a sectarian base, but much more on its scum of the city types as in Aleppo, and I also heard the same from Dair-el-Zor and a few other places. I do not care to win the sectarians to the uprising, for they will only hurt it, and hurt our future Syria, but I care not to lose the support and active participation of the secular minded, especially if they are open minded as well, we need them for we are them.

A long time ago, I wrote a post warning pro Palestinians against citing anti-semitic sources and against welcoming the support they may get from such despicable characters. I may have not explained my idea well then. Our own N.Z. in post #195 puts it very succinctly. I add, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend and this is why. People are manifestation of the real enemy, but the real enemy is the idea and mode of thinking and the practices they lead to. The person is a carrier. Sectarianism is the idea I am fighting against, even when it dresses itself as one way to provide secular protection (read that privilege), despotism is what I am fighting against, torture, impunity, and greed are what we want to weed out. Yes, Bashar Al-Assad and his band of hyenas epitomize all of these vices, and their insistence on carrying on with their murderous senseless pillaging of Syria equates them to these filthy ideas, but if an enemy of theirs believes in a sub-set of such filth, rest assured they will be no friends of mine nor of the Syria we want to build. The Syrian revolution has so far been a largely clean one in that sense. Let us keep it so and even make it cleaner. Let them try as much as they want to paint us as terrorists. The world has by now recognized who the real thugs and terrorists are. And let us focus on answering questions such as those posed by EHSANI, at least attempt to, the future of Syria hinges on it, not on whether Khaled Ibn Alwaleed was a hero or a villain, and not on whether Persians are smarter than the Arabs, or on Ali’s right to inherit Islam or Umayyad’s claim to own the state.

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A Birthday Gift

In the good old days, a ruler would get a line of poet singing his praise on his birthday. Here is a gift to Betho. I am sure it will be one of many songs he will get on this cursed day. The poem was written by a Salafi Poet addressing a liberal writer. Being a liberal rat, i still to appreciate creativity and humor even when it comes from the other side. But the joy is doubled when after one minor modification (in the first verse taking out the word writer and substituting it with the word leader), and taking out some irrelevant verses (not that satanic, but are more relevant to the profession of writing and to the ethos of salafis), the poem becomes a nice gift to Betho Al-Athad on his accursed day of birth. My own non-sense writing not equaling bethos greatness, I am plagiarizing this poem and sending it as a gift to betho. My he have a miserable celebration

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249. Dear MNA:
“Revlon @ 217 “FSA downs a regime’s copter over Darayya, early this morning. Such confirms their aquisition of anti-aircraft weapons.

You commneted:
I live at the end of the Southern Belt Highway or Al-Muta7aleq Al-Junubi overlooking the Mezzeh Airport and about less then a mile away from Darraya.
I m also renting a warehouse in Darraya and have an employee who lives there 24/7.
I m there almost everyday and I can assure you with 200% certainty that none of that took place.
The same goes for the army split/ defection in Mezzeh airport that has been talked about for over a week now.)

I say:
– Members of the FSA reported that they shot a copter and there were defections at Mazzeh Airport!
– You and your employee did not see or hear that.

Dear MNA, you share many basic and good things with the men who shot and reported the downing of a copter and the defections in your area.
You are all professional and have good intentions for their country.
Basically you are decent.
Therefore, I do believe that both you and FSA were honest about what they witnessed.
Cheers!

251. “Revlon @ 158
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You commented:
Same goes for this one, complete fallacy!

I say:
Dear MNA, How do you know that the information was false?
– Do you work at Mazzeh airport.
– Do you have access to their security branch comminques?
– Are you omnipresent at every warehouse, basement, or cell aall at once, in that vast military air base?

I drop my case regardles of how you answer any of the above!

For answering by YES would make you a bad witness,
While answering by NO would render you too underinformed.

Syrian Hamester
Thank you ,this is beautiful

Mjabali

Are you being paid to sabotage SC? I am skipping pages and pages and missing interesting posts in the interim. It appears you take few days off to read up about historical figures with complex names from an islamophobe sources and then return to force a discussion. I think SC is meant to discuss events on the ground not a 1500 years old history. How about reading up about the crusade and coming back to discuss it. Dosen’t that interest you? How about the Holocaust? or even better, the ethnic cleansing of the Muslim Serbs? Look, I can also start discussing subjects irrelevant to what is happening such as my shoes collection, and how much I like to buy shoes. Would you like to discuss the latest shoes trend?

Where was Mo the Hamwi

It seems that the riddle of where was Mo is now solved.

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For the original clip

Looks like Mo the Hamwi’s flight took the wrong turn and landed in one of these models before Aljazeera started shooting fake demonstrations. Glad he did not end up in one of the Libyan models. We could have lost a valueable contributor to SC.

Martyr Giyath Matar’s last words to revolutiona’s young comrades.

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about an hour ago

Tara:

You never made any sense to me with whatever you wrote, but, I still read your posts and RESPECT your opinion.

Now you are trying to silence my voice. Where do you live? Kandahar?

When we discuss Khalid Ibn al-Walid this is because Khalid Ibn al-Walid mode of thinking and influence is ALIVE and well felt today. Read the comments of Khalid Tlass, or the sectarian Arboud for the last ten days and tell me if Khalid Ibn al-Walid is alive or not?

If there is anyone that is paid here it is you and your crew who spent 24/7 spreading lies and hatred. I have a job and sometimes on the weekends I like to argue here and there, so what is the problem? You seem to never accept anyone who has a different opinion about things, specially those from different sects.

Do not try to stop me from saying anything I want. It is freedom we all seek here, don’t we?

Besides, what I said about these historical figures is common knowledge to me and should be to everyone who grew up in the Middle East. We need new history books.

You see how you are trying to silence my version of history. I do not blame you because you came from the culture that silences everything. Right?

I promise you today this will be my last post because I seem to hit a nerve with your gang anytime I post here on this great blog that still gives me knowledge no matter what…So I will go back and enjoy reading although my favorite is banned from posting, but I still read all comments…why not? Read all types of ideas, open your mind…..

take is easy ya Tara… Where do you live really, Kandahar?

Ya Mjabali

Good for you. I like your answer. Polite and respectful. You are not a bad guy afterall. You are absolutely free to discuss what you feel like discussing no matter how boring it is and I guess I am free to show disinterest. However, when you start saying that I live in Kandahar and I hate your sect then you lose credibility because it is so clear that I live in the US and that I am secular and do not hate people based on their sects/ religion. There is nothing Mjabali I have ever said that tells you that I care about religion or hate Alawis, Shiaa, Christians, jews, or Iranian so when you imply that I am a Muslim brother (or sister for that matter) I just know that your goal is pure Aldoonya kind of propaganda and not really an interest in scientific genuine discussion. Still does not make sense to you?

Hey Guys:

I received this message on my e-mail yesterday on my e-mail from a friend in Argentina.

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You never made any sense to me with whatever you wrote…

Mjabali,

cc: Tara

Tara makes sense to me. As I understand Tara, she is sick of what the current Syrian regime is doing to Syria, and she wants Bashar Assad to be held accountable. Tara promotes peaceful demonstrations.

(Tara, feel free to concur or disagree.)

Mjabali,

Conversely, I am having a difficult time understanding your disagreement with Aboud and the anti-regime group here. Before you go, why don’t you answer a few questions to help me understand your position:

1.) What, SPECIFICALLY, is your disagreement between youself and Aboud?

2.) Are you pro-democracy?

3.) Are you pro-Baathist and do you want Bashar Assad to continue to “lead” Syria?

Thanks.

Author: Avery, Patricia G.
Source: ERIC Clearinghouse for Social Studies/Social Science Education Bloomington IN.
Developing Political Tolerance. ERIC Digest.

Political tolerance is the willingness to extend basic rights and civil liberties to persons and groups whose viewpoints differ from one’s own. It is a central tenet of a liberal democracy. The individual rights and freedoms that U.S. citizens value encourage a wide array of ideas and beliefs, some of which may offend segments of the population. The expression of those beliefs is protected by another core democratic principle, that of majority rule with respect for the rights of individuals or groups in the minority. Without safeguards for the free expression of divergent opinions, we risk a tyranny of the majority. In a free and open society, public deliberation exposes “bad” ideas instead of suppressing them.

The protection of individuals’ rights, including those of individuals we dislike or with whom we strongly disagree, has often been a struggle in U.S. society. Consider the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, the interrogation of suspected American Communists in the 1950s, or the FBI files on Vietnam War protesters. In each case, Americans tended to support the abnegation of rights for unpopular minorities. Opposition to intolerance and support for minority rights among the populace, however, can be developed through effective teaching of political tolerance in elementary and secondary schools. This Digest discusses (1) findings of research on political tolerance, (2) guidelines on teaching for political tolerance, and (3) positive consequences of effective teaching for political tolerance.

RESEARCH ON POLITICAL TOLERANCE.

For almost 50 years, political scientists have tracked an interesting paradox in American attitudes: over 90% of U.S. citizens profess a strong belief in democratic principles such as freedom of speech and assembly. When asked whether they would be willing to extend these rights to groups whose ideas they find deplorable, however, typically only about one-third to one-half respond affirmatively. Although the objects of U.S. intolerance have shifted over the years, the gap between support for civil liberties in the abstract and support for granting civil liberties to disliked groups has remained fairly constant.
Studies of adults indicate that psychological characteristics play a much more important role in influencing tolerance levels than do traditional demographic characteristics such as social status, income, and residence. Individuals with higher self-esteem, who are less dogmatic and less authoritarian, tend to better withstand the “threat” of ideas at odds with their own. Level of education achieved also consistently predicts a person’s level of tolerance. Post-secondary educational experiences in particular may help people become more comfortable with diverse beliefs. These experiences tend to increase self-esteem and to lower dogmatism and authoritarianism (Sullivan, Piereson & Marcus 1982).

Among adolescents, political tolerance tends to be associated with older age, higher moral reasoning, higher empathy, and higher self-esteem. Tolerant students tend to make connections between abstract democratic principles and concrete situations, to take multiple perspectives, and to see alternative solutions to problems. Intolerant students have difficulty relating principles to practice or seeing beyond their own viewpoint. They tend to define problems in absolutist terms, with clear “right” and “wrong” answers. Even tolerant students, however, have difficulty moving beyond mere platitudes in explaining the importance of democratic principles such as freedom of expression (e.g., “Freedom of expression is important because we live in a free country”) (Avery 1992).

Secondary school experiences can increase students’ level of political tolerance, but their impact tends to be far less significant than that of post-secondary experiences because while college instruction tends to highlight divergent perspectives, secondary teachers and textbooks have traditionally avoided conflict. A serious examination of the role of tolerance in a democracy entails looking at extremist or unconventional political and social beliefs. Teaching tolerance is thus inherently controversial; however, studies indicate that when curricula are specifically designed to teach young people about the role of tolerance in a democracy, levels of tolerance can increase (Avery, Bird, Johnstone, Sullivan, & Thalhammer 1992; Goldenson 1978; Thalhammer, Wood, Bird, Avery & Sullivan 1994).

GUIDELINES ON TEACHING FOR POLITICAL TOLERANCE.

The research suggests the following guidelines about teaching for political tolerance:
1. Examine the “slogans of democracy.” The notion of “freedom of speech” may be held as dear as “mom and apple pie” until it is extended to groups that offend your core beliefs. What is freedom of speech? Why is it important in a democratic society? Are there limits to freedom of speech? Who decides?

2. Make explicit connections between abstract civil liberties and concrete situations. Students can explore the historical, psychological, and sociological dimensions of intolerance through case studies. Why have some groups denied rights to others? Why do people join these groups? What has been the short- and long-term impact of intolerance on the perpetrator, the victim, and society?

3. Teach how individual rights are embedded in the U.S. Constitution. Young people quickly learn the phrase “majority rule,” but they are much less likely to include “with respect for minority rights.” Why is it particularly important that the rights of individuals in the minority be protected? What are those rights that deserve protection? Draw connections to the International Declaration of Human Rights to show students that certain rights are recognized as basic at the international level (Avery & Others 1993).

4. Differentiate between acknowledging a person’s right to express dissident views and approving of the person’s views. There are many social and political groups whose perspectives we would not want students to adopt. Students should understand that they have the right to express their opposition to ideas with which they disagree.

5. When teaching about tolerance for diversity of belief, it is particularly important to use teaching and learning strategies that give students opportunities to consider multiple perspectives, such as role plays, simulations, and structured controversies. Without experiencing different viewpoints in the classroom, students are unlikely to appreciate their value as well as their complexity.

Although it is critical that issues related to tolerance be addressed in the curriculum, it is just as important that students explore such issues in an open classroom climate. It would be counterproductive to use case studies of intolerance in a classroom environment that is itself intolerant of divergent viewpoints. In three international studies, students’ level of political tolerance has been associated with their perception of an open classroom climate, one in which they feel free and secure to express their ideas and opinions (Hahn 1998; Nielson 1977; Torney-Purta, Lehmann, Oswald & Schulz 2001). It appears that when students see that their teachers are interested in multiple perspectives, when they feel their own ideas are respected, and when they regularly listen to different viewpoints, they are more tolerant of diverse beliefs.

CONSEQUENCES OF EFFECTIVE TEACHING FOR POLITICAL TOLERANCE.

Taking a tolerant stance is one of the more difficult tasks citizens face in a society. We are not born tolerant, but must learn to be tolerant. Adolescence is potentially a very important time for the development of political tolerance because during this period, most young people are developing the capacity to apply abstract principles to concrete situations, they have a heightened curiosity about social and political issues, and they are keenly interested in their increasing rights and responsibilities as young adults.
Social studies educators are charged with developing an enlightened citizenry. Enlightened citizens do more than “lip-synch to the tune of democracy.” Enlightened citizens understand the role of tolerance in a democratic society and are committed to practicing tolerance and respect for minority rights (Thalhammer, Wood, Bird, Avery & Sullivan 1994). The research suggests that adolescents can become enlightened citizens, but that it will take much effort and ongoing commitment among social studies educators to realize this goal.

Today marks a tragic day in the history of humanity. Today the vicious attack conducted by radical muslims, took the life of many inncocent people. I am praying for peace, comfort, and strength in this difficult time for all of you out there who lost loved ones. Radical Islam is the cause of all evil.

I would also say to Tara that yes we should remember tragic events with sorrow and yes that includes Holocaust, Muslims in serbs, armenian massacare, and even the massacare of the family of our prohphit. There is nothing wrong with pointing fingers to the evil. As for Sept 11; the root of evil happended to be radical Islam. I guess we are not interested in how many shoes you have, you wear, (edited for inappropriate content). I believe some of the MBs here may find some interest in such a discussion with you.

OTW
#254
While I second what you said about Norman, I diagree with you that he is Na’ive, he is smart and very educated person,He impresses me how much he loves Syria, we all may make mistake spelling some words in English,it is our second language,he is very polite,and civil.
OTW
Your english is excellent,I wonder how long have you been in this country?

It is impossible to be neutral,and sometimes being neutral can give the wrong impression of being sectarian,no way we can seperate ourselves from our past,where we came from,ethnically or religiously, sectarianism,and racism are in every society.

A.P.
What justifications Israel has ,for having 72 employee in their embassy in Cairo,It seems to me that this number is way too high.

Majabli “You see how you are trying to silence my version of history. I do not blame you because you came from the culture that silences everything. Right?”

Majabli; These people buried the history under their feet. These people do not want to open history at all. They just do crimes and move on. It is waste of time to discuss that with them but I believe we have an obligation and a moral one that our voice be heard. Radical is the cause of all evil. Shami for example is defending Saudis way of life. I mean if you look at their clerks and the way they are hostile to the west esp US it makes you sick and makes you hate everything related to Islam. They do not allow their women to drive or vote; women are second class citizins in Saudi.

You should write on this website and feel free to write anything you want, remeber, even if you do not live in the US, but this website should give you a feel of how great mother america is; this is the land of freedom, respect, tolerance, and opportunities. The US mother was wounded 10 years ago by radical islamists with hatered agenda similar to their ancestors. We should learn leasons from history and yes we should go back to 1500 years ago to study the roots of terrorism and our history is full of evidence

187. mjabali said:

Nusayri hypocrite, Mjabali rears his head. All the things which you mentioned about Khalid and Umar, Ali is guilty of, yet you refuse to condemn him because of your Alawi sectarianism and Ali executed your forefathers for deifying him.

192. hans said:

Are you Syrian?

206. mjabali said:

“As for Ali Ibn Abi Talib and if he was the first of last Caliph, of course I care less, and I laugh and pity your accusatory brain every time you and your crew throw this label at me.”

So why are you unwilling to condemn him except for your Alawi sectarianism?

210. mjabali said:

“You, and most Muslims(Shia, Sunnis….etc), are afraid from applying the modern codes of ethics when it comes to people like Khalid Ibn al-Walid.”

And how about Ali ibn Abi Talib? He did the same things as Khalid. Why does he get a free pass from you?

212. mjabali said:

Why did you leave out Ali? He was involved in these conquests.

230. ss said:

And yet Ali named his sons Abu Bakr and Umar(among many others action which point to goodwill between them). Does a man names his children after the name of his enemies?

” 233. ss said:

Sunni muslims as usual f…ck the facts, demolish minorities. They turned Islam from a religion to a political movement. They would kill in name of ALAH”

Is Ali a “Sunni Muslim” because he killed in the name of Islam?

263. mjabali said:

The Syrian Sunnis will not go to their graves like sheep so your despicable Nusayri regime can stay in power. Do you honestly think the millions of Syrians who have a blood vengeance against your regime will forget?

majedkhaldoon said: “A.P. What justifications Israel has ,for having 72 employee in their embassy in Cairo,It seems to me that this number is way too high”.

little radical; why you do not open up and express your hatered feeling towards Jews. Do not give me bullshit lies and say you approve the state of Israel. It looks you have hard time swallowing the number of employee in its embassy in Cairo; whats the wrong of having 1000 employees???are you concerned; is it threatening for you. You are US physician. Havent you worked with Jewish physicians. Did they bother you in the States. I hear that they are highly successful, respectful, and good people by all means. My God this ( deleted for vulgarity) radical islam needs to be demolished. Why cant scientists discover a frenchise brain washing machines so one can stop by, pay 100 dollars and gets his/her brain washed. I am sick

Majedkhaldoon,

In the world of obsessed anti-zionists, there is never a justification for whatever the Israelis do. I hope youbare not one of these obsessed individuals.

But I am not an expert in these matters, so I don’t know if 72 employees is beyond any legal limit. One would think the Egyptians would know why every single Israeli is in Egypt, since they stamp their passports. If the Egyptians think there are too many, they can discuss it with the Israeli ambassador, instead of letting protestors in to gut the embassy and putting the embassy personnel’s lives in danger.

# Abughassan and others:

I am struggling with the fact that while this need for change certainly started out peaceful, there are elements of outside influence and not just people defending themselves.

How do you define acting in defense? Is it someone forcefully entering your house, your h’ara, or your town?

I heard that SANA reported that external and internal operators are disguised as army personnel, can anyone verify that this is true? It certainly is plausible.

@ Hytham Khouri & Majedkheldoon:

Have you been back to Syria since Feb this year?

“You see how you are trying to silence my version of history. ”

Here we go again, perpetual victimhood. Responding to your hate filled posts is not silencing you, it’s called a debate. On the contrary, I want your posts to get the largest number of views possible. I want the whole world to see how stuck up on the past people like you are.

I want everyone to see why it is we cannot have a dialogue with the Baathists. How can any dialogue possibly be undertaken with people who have Persia’s interests at heart, more than Syria’s, to the extent that they still seethe over the battle of Qadisiya.

People who are forever looking to avenge the last 1400 years, cannot be expected to have the maturity and strength of character to solve the problems of the last 1400 days.

“Today marks a tragic day in the history of humanity”

Yeah, Besho was born LOL!

“What, SPECIFICALLY, is your disagreement between youself and Aboud?”

I once said the French in WW 2 had superior tanks to the Germans. I think his grand daddy must have made German tanks, because he’s like a dog chasing a bone on the subject. See, look how he’ll chase it…there’s a good boy.

Once more, it amazes me how the menhebaks have proven themselves so utterly intellectually bankrupt, that they have totally given up on defending junior. Instead, we hear tales of grievances dating back to Ali and who should have been the first Caliph.

The day after Nabel Al-Arabi came with a plan for the X-Box child to extract himself from the mess of his own making, not one word has been expended by the menhebaks discussing the plan. Instead, we hear sectarian grievances, whose cause lies, not in anything that happened the last month, or the last year, or even the last century, but 14 centuries ago. I really hope Syria Comment gets the viewership professor Landis says it does 🙂

” 254. OFF THE WALL said:

Over the past two months, we have really witnessed an interesting experiment. One after one regime loyalists, with only little nudge from Khaled, and infrequent appearance from Abu Umar, were forced to draw their intellectual battle lines in defense of the regime. And these battle lines turned out purely sectarian. So much for a secular renaissance they claim to represent. One would wonder if they were afraid of discrimination, or is it equality that threatens them. From where I sit, it seems the latter.”

The Syrian regime, it’s proxies and its supporters were sectarian from a long time, yet they continue to pretend that only their opponents or Sunnis are sectarian and I don’t hide my Sunni sectarianism, unlike the hypocrites on the other side. Why do they preach a fake mumaana’a, which the Syrian regime has hidden behind to justify it’s crackdown, when Bashar’s grandfather was a stooge for the French colonialists and who wrote a letter praising the Zionists and blaming the Palestinians for refusing to become refugees in their own land, the exact same language used by the Zionists in their propaganda today. Why did Hafez collaborate with the Americans in Gulf War I in exchange for the Americans looking the other way when he re-occupied Lebanon? Where is Hasan Nasrallah from his Shi’ite allies who rode in American tanks into Iraq which was handed to them by the Jewish Neocons on a silver platter?

Your liberal nonsense is what will lead to Western intervention, which will be a huge propaganda victory for the Syrian regime, enabling its external allies to openly participate in the crackdown. If the Alawis consider the current situation, “ma’rakat wujood”, then many Syrian Sunnis feel the same way. Just look at how Aboud’s posts have changed over the past few months.

“I heard that SANA reported that external and internal operators are disguised as army personnel, can anyone verify that this is true? It certainly is plausible.”

SANA would say that, because they don’t want you to know the extent of the defections. Please start to learn to put 2 and 2 together. If so many foreign gangs could infiltrate Syria, why do your inept security chiefs still have their jobs?

273. ss said:

Ironcially, both the menhebek lunatics and the Zionists share the same fate, permanent expulsion. What are you going to do when millions of Syrians march on Bashar’s palace?

Did someone once say me and Abu Umar were the same guy? Then how is it I, by myself, managed to write two posts and post them at the exact same time? Duh.

“Just look at how Aboud’s posts have changed over the past few months.”

Indeed. Sorry if some people feel offended by what they call my “sectarian” tone, but these *Alawites* only understand the consequences of their actions in terms of the cost to them. Take out the Alawite leadership, and their power, and their Sunni lackeys will fold in a day, just like what happened with Qadafi’s armies.

Israel can obliterate Besho in a week, and so the rabbit stays quite on the Golan. Saudi Arabia and the world pressure him on Lebanon, so he leaves with his tail between his legs.

The sectarian, Persian menhebaks think that, in order to understand modern day Islam, they need to go back to the year 1400 to dig up proof of our “radical” mentality. Well, I only have to go back 11 years to point to proof positive on the Baathist way of thinking; faced with a stronger opponent, they are cowards.

Which is why they now need to be dealt some of their own medicine. When half of Qurdaha are up on the Turkish border, is when you’ll see the X-Box child pleading with Nabil al-Arabi to show him the Arab league initiative one more time.

@Aboud:

I can put 4 and 4 together, and I do see further than my nose. Are you saying unequivocal no operatives, no Iranians, no AlQaeda, no Mossad paid agents or special external agents in Syria?

“If so many foreign gangs could infiltrate Syria, why do your inept security chiefs still have their jobs?”

Aboud, I really appreciate most of your comments, but please don’t take everyone else on SC for fouls.

1) Do you know how porous the Syrian border is?
2) Do you know how incompetent and out of date some of the security personnel are?
3) Do you know that since the 80’s Sat. technology exist that can zero-in on a lira on the ground (or even under it)? Basically they can go in/out undetected.

So, with your anaology, how come the U.S. can’t control the illegal immigrants and drugs coming into their country. Their Security chief should be fired. (I know about the fake US war on drugs, don’t go there).

@ SS

In just 2 comments you managed to churn out the following statements:

Islamists will make no deal with the state of Israel.

RADICAL ISLAM WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER HAVE ANY RESPECT OR AKNOWLEDGEMENT FOR MINORITIES, and that includes the jewish state

SS, why did you run and hide? Do you swear allegiance to Israel or the Queen of England or both? You certainly care for Israel more than Syria. Please explain your patriotism to Israel. Are you our first Syrian-Expat-Zionist-in-hiding?

“So, with your anaology, how come the U.S. can’t control the illegal immigrants and drugs coming into their country”

And yet how many do they catch? Quite alot. Also, what’s the worst that can happen to someone who tries to cross the Mexican border? They get caught, shipped back, and they try again later. If the US border forces were as murderous as their Syrian counterparts, you’d see alot less attempts.

Also, the US borders span a continent. Just where are these “armed gangs” of SANA’s imagination supposed to be coming from? Lebanon? Jordan? Turkey? That would have been an act of war on the parts of those countries, so why don’t the Baathists hold those countries accountable? You’d expect Besho to at least withdraw his ambassadors.

I’ll tell you why. Because the “armed gang” story is a convenient one for the consumption of the menhebaks, but even they know it hasn’t a shred of truth to it.

“Are you saying unequivocal no operatives, no Iranians, no AlQaeda, no Mossad paid agents or special external agents in Syria?”

Yes, no Al-Qaeda, no Mossad paid agents. I don’t know about Iranians, you keep hearing stories….

How do I know this? Because there is NO Qaeda or MB, influence or slogans at the demonstrations. SANA has not once managed to come up with a video of armed gangs in action. Because if the security forces were really scared of armed gangs, they would be more concerned than they appear to be in these videos;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MQec-0ZcwM&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzbg89YNWEM&ref=nf

Tell me, was this wounded man an “armed gang” member?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBNjVArnvbo&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1&has_verified=1

“but please don’t take everyone else on SC for fouls. ”

Fools. And I do take anyone who, after six months, still has to ask “how many armed gangs are there”, for a complete and utter fool, instead of asking how many of the 3000 Syrians killed were armed gang members.

“Do you know how porous the Syrian border is?”

Are you excusing the incompetence of the security chiefs now? The Syrian borders are not THAT hard to guard. And since the army is now in every city, where are those armed gangs supposed to gather?

You mean to tell me that with the whole army on every highway and side road, and with shabihas in every village and town, the army STILL has problems in subduing these gangs? That’s just insulting to people’s intelligence.

Husam
I was in Syria in January I have a friend who went there and participated in one demonstration and left Syria with no trouble.

Bashar is frustrated,he wants to involve more soldiers in quelling the revolution, may be the same thing that Abdulkarim Qassem did in Iraq will happen to him,

SS , You need to continue to drink beer with Mjabali.may be you can continue to twist facts of history more.

I understand the reluctance of some to admit that there are foreign elements that took advantage of the mess created by the uprising. The regime inflates the stories and the opposition deny them altogether. I repeatedly asked why we have not seen an official complaint from the Syrian government against those countries that are accused of supplying money and weapons to rouge elements in Syria,many of whom were known criminals and simple guns for hire,but some may be part of a bigger scheme to transform this uprising into an armed struggle that can only lead to a civil war or foreign military intervention. Please do not deny that there are foreign hands in this uprising but also,do not believe the regime’s stories that every demonstrator was paid by somebody to protest the brutality and corruption of this regime. This uprising is caused by the regime’s behavior,and most of the suffering we have in Syria is due to that regime’s rigid ,violent and selfish attitude against its own citizens.Syria will never be immune from foreign interference due to its location and history,but only Syrians can end this crisis,others are simply trying to protect their interests and take a bite out of a wounded prey…

attention to 268. SS

Nano-Thermite In The World Trade Center Rubble

For those understanding french:
http://syrie.blog.lemonde.fr/
Arrestation de la psychanalyste syrienne Rafah NACHED

@SS:

“I am sick”

You are indeed sick, and your hatred is going to kill you if you don‘t wake up. Your brain-washing machine you wished for has being already invented and you are one of its most effected victims. It is called Daniel Pipes Machine.

You label anyone who wants change, who doesn’t agree with you as Islamist. You are so sick, you get confused with your own statements due to your deep rooted hatred.

“People like yourself who are so islamists that they only hold hate towards the Jewish.”

“I said radical islamists will never ever aknowledge a Jewish state. Are you a radical islamists?”

SS, don’t back track and twist your sentences. For the record you labelled me an Islamist and “hate towards the Jewish”. Just because I have different views from you, I instantly became a radical islamists. So, stop the B.S.

Now, you are doing the same thing calling everyone else on SC a Jewish Hater. Jews are people; Israel is a state, 2 different things. But of course since you are Syrian-Zionist, you see it as one.

Khalid Tlas,

Stop spreading lies about the great persian civilization. Iran never ever invaded or got into war with any other country for the last 100 year. Norman would love to welcome u to Norouz next March and enjoy the hafseen table. The Irania culture is very rich and we are tolerant loving people who respect all sects. We had the largest Jewish community until the current regime came. we are not radicals at all and we do not use offensive language like Tlass who said that his Quraan taught him to spare christians.

The revolutionaries need to be imaginative and come up with additional ideas. For example printing leaflets (flyers) undermining the legitimacy of and confidence in the regime. The leaflets could be a message to the military and security personel reminding them that the Assad family is only defending the Assad family interest and using the security forces to achieve this. Leaflets should be stuck on public places, lamp posts etc.

It would embarrass the regime and also keep the regime thugs busy gathering and destroying the regime.

Please share your ideas.

@ Mango:

SS can’t understand nano-thermite because he is an Islamophobic Zionist who blames all ills of the world on Thzza Muslims. He needs his fix, Islamist alone brought the towers down; it fits his hatred.

@ SS

“The Irania culture is very rich and we are tolerant loving people who respect all sects.”

I am lost, who is “we”? Are you Iranian? Iranian-Zionist? I don’t get it, can someone enlighten me on this SS character?

Wake up Husam, sa7 Alnoom, ur 3arbood, and ur Omars, or Abu omar made me Majoosi. U better believe ur gangs

I was in bab tuma today( a predominately Christian area), a major public festival is being held in honor of besho’s spawning…I also saw at least 3 buses ( the very same buses used to transport shabeeha) loaded with men,women and children. So much for authenticity……
Guys rambling about what happened 1400 years ago won’t add any credibility to your argument. I’ve met some Sunnis that exclaimed they’re ready to forget about the Hama massacre in order to build syria2.0. Whether you like it or not, every sect got it’s hands dirty sometime along history, and it won’t really matter if you cry about it now. All we can do is grow a pair and draw up a plan for Syria 2.0.

@Aboud:

I am more in line with AbuGhassan thinking. The situation in Syria is being exploited by Turkey, Saudi, Iran and the West. To you I am a fool, so be it.

History showed that the Mossad, CIA, MI6 had a hand in some fashion to take advantage and further destabilize any country to their advantage. And, yes in many cases covertly.

I think the Syrian government is on the loose, but the story is not that simple as you put it.

Re Border: Syria’s security technology doesn’t measure up; I disagree with you – the means of infiltration is possible. I am not making excuses for the blood being spilled. Kindly stop your preaching tone.

You and Mjabali can enjoy your permanent vacation in Iran and you can attack the “Islamic extremists” openly if you dare in Iran.

288: Husma “Jews are people; Israel is a state, 2 different things”

Listen, this symphony is old. You islamists always say; we respect the jewish people and the jewish faith but we will wipe Israel state. Why Husma you think that they are two different issues. I am sure most of the Jewish people look at the Jewish state as their legitimate state and their land. Mahmood Abas is trying to make a deal with them and he aknlowedge the state; no question about that. Egypt, Jordan, Moraco, all approve the state of Israel. I see no difference. You have to change your mind set perhaps get a brain wash if you want indeed to live in peace with your beloved Jewish people (???but not their state???). I know for a fact that we do have problem, the problem is ion our history books, our interpretation of religion, and the social enviroment (radical versus open)we brought up in. If we need a peace with them we have to start by approving their existence. If we cannot solve this issue then do not blame them for taking protective measure against the wide growing radical islamism of the middle east. Even those few Israelis on this website who are cheering and supporting you guys should read between your lines before it is too late. I do not believe that radical islam will ever ever get into peace with Israel. Personal opinion; I may be wrong

Ss said:

“Wake up Husam, sa7 Alnoom, ur 3arbood, and ur Omars, or Abu omar made me Majoosi. U better believe ur gangs.”

I don’t know if you are a Majoosi or worst…but I do know that you love Israel more than Syria.

@SGID:

Syria2.0 is the coolest term I have read so far. It means take whatever good Syria1.0 was and build on this code and drop the B.S.

SS:

You are snake with multiple heads. You are all over the map. You are also a hypocrite. A state is defined with respect and rights to all its citizens. I will not make peace with Aparthied Israel.

AND if the Jewish people can have a Jewish state, why can’t Muslims have an Islamic State” and not be hounded by the likes of you?

“Please do not deny that there are foreign hands in this uprising ”

Dude, when everyone from the Turks to the Russians to the Arab League keeps giving that little X-Box murderer second, third and fourth chances? WHO ARE THESE FOREIGN ELEMENTS ALREADY? If you can’t answer that after six months, then you don’t have any proof whatsoever.

“I do not believe that radical islam will ever ever get into peace with Israel.”

Show me proof that “radical Islam” are involved in this revolution. I’ve told you to do so numerous times. All you do instead is whine about Ali not being made first Caliph.

Today, you have no proof whatsoever of MB involvement in these events. But time and again, proof has been presented on the murderous nature of this regime. You keep chasing phantom Salafis, and the only atrocities you can come up with are 1400 years old. Everyday, I have posted proof of the regime’s barbarities.

I dare you to condemn the regime’s atrocities. Or haven’t your pathetic Persian Ayatollahs allowed you to do so?

“Syria’s security technology doesn’t measure up; I disagree with you – the means of infiltration is possible.”

Dear God above. OK, tell me, what have these armed gangs been doing once they manage to smuggle massive amounts of arms and crazy pills through the borders? Where do they go to? Show me one video of these armed gangs in Syria. There aren’t any. The armed gangs story is a feeble excuse by the regime, for the consumption of the gullible and the menhebaks.

Arab League says Syria reform deal agreed – 11 September 2011

http://mwcnews.net/news/middle-east/13346-syria-reform.html

Nabil el-Araby, the head of the Arab League, says he has reached an “agreement on reforms” in Syria during talks with President Bashar al-Assad.

El-Araby met Assad and other senior officials in Damascus on Saturday.

“We have reached agreement on steps to carry out the reforms, [and] the elements will be submitted to the council of the Arab League,” which meets in Cairo on Monday, El-Araby said after the meeting.

El-Araby told journalists in Egypt that he had urged Assad to “speed up reform plans through a timetable that will make every Syrian citizen feel that he has moved to a new stage”.

The state-run Syrian news agency SANA said el-Araby had “affirmed the Arab League’s rejection of all forms of foreign interference in Syrian internal affairs” and that the two leaders had agreed on “a number of practical steps for speeding up the reform process in Syria”.

According to information leaked to the media earlier this week about el-Araby’s visit, he was to call for the withdrawal of troops and tanks from Syrian cities and towns and to push for elections to be held within three years.

ABU UMAR;

Zorastarian is a religion in Iran and people practice it under the watch of the IRI. The IRI care only about their power, they are more advanced than your counterpart Sunni wahabis in Saudi. Women have more freedom under the IRI than your beloved Saudis. The IRI did not demolish the Iranian culture and as I told you the minorities are practicing their religions with respect, the norouz is a national holiday here and this is endorsed by the IRI. Iran is a powerful country in the region and we as Shiite are proud of that.

Unfortunately, your leaders in Aljazeera Alarabia only care about their waist down; food and sex. They topped all nations. They are marrying divorcing machines so they keep the new goods coming and if they stay in the limit that is spelled in Quraan which is 4; they call it Halal.

I believe it will take you thousand years to reach to the Iranian power, and it will take you another 3000 years to be as civilized as the Persians

“Kindly stop your preaching tone.”

You are right, my tone is sometimes needlessly condescending. Sorry. My only excuse is that I’ve been to too many funerals and seen too much to be expected to keep a civil tone. Landis wants input from people inside Syria, but he expects us to moderate our language, to put aside all our emotions and feelings, so we can exchange comments about 1400 year old atrocities with the insecure, perpetually victimized Persians.

SS, if you are such a big friend of Israel, do I need to remind you that the Persian president went to the UN, and said that the Holocaust was a fraud? I dare you to condemn him.

I really don’t think there is an Israeli around who considers the Persians as anything but enemies.

Husam “AND if the Jewish people can have a Jewish state, why can’t Muslims have an Islamic State” and not be hounded by the likes of you?”

You are trying guys, and i believe that this is your intentions. You spelled it out right their “Why cant’ muslims have an Islamic State”. You may explain to us more what do you mean by Islamic state; like Imara Islamia?? You guyes are working tooth and nails to get that done.

You said “I will not make peace with Aparthied Israel”.
That is what I am trying to say. There is no way for you islamists to make peace because you are very stiff, rigid in your (deleted for vulgarity)believe and you are a natural disaster that hit humanity. Why you do not want peace with other people. Why you only want to fight and kill.
We always put blames on the other side and we forget to deal with our complex, retarded, radical, rigid, mentality. If people like yourself came to power in Syria, we should all forget peace and start preparing our next stage of Jihad. You make me sick Husam with your retarded radical islamic mind who does not accept others and only have a tunneled vision

303 “Persian president went to the UN, and said that the Holocaust was a fraud? I dare you to condemn him.”

Of course we do condemn him and we considered this comment the most stupid comment that is said in the last 100 years. Iranians paid a huge price for that comment because they do not believe in that. That is why the opposition went against him because they felt that these statements would endanger Iran policy rather than help it. Despite the grwoing opposition to him in Tehran, he has a solid support amongst the middle and poor class because he did good for them. Ahmadeenejad sleeps on the floor, and wear the same Jacket for years. Your beloved gulfy leaders enjoy sleeping on gold and mingle with women. Shold be proud of your Sunni leaders in the Arabia

“I really don’t think there is an Israeli around who considers the Persians as anything but enemies”.

You better educate yourself about the history of Persia and what the great king of Persia Cyrus did. You may find yourself wrong regarding your statement.

The Predicament of the Syrian Opposition – Sat, 10 September 2011

http://www.daralhayat.com/portalarticlendah/306415

The “Friday for International Protection” is the slogan raised by the Syrian opposition during yesterday’s demonstrations. The slogan, along with the statements of the opposition leaders abroad, reveal the loss of any hope in reaching an understanding with the regime and corroborate the opposition’s conviction in that it cannot remove the government with its own efforts, or through demonstrations, as well as economic and political pressures both domestically and abroad. Consequently, the only option left for it is to resort to the “international community,” i.e. the Security Council, to ensure the adoption of a decision to interfere and assign the willing countries (France, Britain and the United States) to implement it. However, this is impossible in light of the division seen within the Security Council, especially following the decisive statement of Russian President Dmitry Medvedev regarding the support of the regime in the face of any international resolution, and his belief in the fact that part of the opposition is involved in terrorism.

The international divide, in addition to the rift affecting the ranks of the oppositionists, dictate the following questions vis-à-vis those demanding protection to reach power in Damascus: Is the slogan of toppling the regime realistic without a military intervention? Is this intervention realistic and possible in light of the regional and international circumstances related to Syrian issue? Are the countries that wish to topple the regime willing to assume the financial losses, knowing there is no oil wealth in Syria similar to the one in Libya to allow NATO to restore what it will spend on this war and increase its profit through reconstruction with the oil money as it happened and is still happening in Iraq? Moreover, if the military intervention in Libya now and in Iraq in the past aimed at acquiring the oil, should we not wonder about the goal behind the intervention in Syria? Is it not logical for the intervention, in this case, to aim at changing Damascus’ position in regard to the regional equation and especially in regard to Israel? Is the opposition willing to change this policy? And who is pushing it toward that? Will this political change secure democracy and help achieve the rightful reforms that are demanded by the people? Furthermore, from which base will the military campaign be launched? Will the Arab surrounding allow it to be launched from its territories? Will Turkey sacrifice its domestic security to lead the NATO attack from its bases? Is it willing to open its border before the armed men of the opposition to attack the regime?

Furthermore, will the Arabs and the opposition accept to see Israel playing that role? And is the Hebrew state willing to carry out the military attack following its experience in Lebanon in 2006?

Any actual official in the opposition on the domestic arena will answer these questions with a no. However, the opposition abroad is another matter altogether. Indeed, some voices in it are demanding a military intervention, including Abdul Halim Khaddam who said that the oppositionists who are rejecting the intervention do not live in Syria, do not know it and do not realize that neither the regime nor its reformatory talk can be trusted. They are also saying there is no other choice but to topple it, but this position does not carry any response to the urgent questions, especially since the gradual escalation of the demands from reform under the supervision of President Bashar al-Assad to his toppling, along with his regime, are not based on a clear plan that would convince the internal arena – before the external one – and prevent the fall in the trap of civil war whose conditions are being consecrated by the day through the increase of sectarian and denominational divisions. There is no point in denying this reality, considering that its denial does not annul its existence.

The opposition is going through a real predicament. It can neither back down nor move forward after it raised the ceiling of its demands and started rejecting any dialogue with the regime. For its part, the regime is also denying its presence, ratifying laws and organizing dialogues inside the universities “under the ceiling of the nation” as it is announcing. However, no one knows the height of this ceiling or the extent of its ability to recognize the demands, let alone implement them.

Now that Medvedev announced he was standing alongside the regime and accused the opposition of being involved in terrorism, the latter must seek an alternative for foreign intervention, unless the side that promised to intervene plans on acting away from international legitimacy and on intensifying the smuggling of arms and the training of the armed men to deplete Syria and drown it in a long-lasting civil war.

Why should anyone believe a word the Syrian regime says?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/11/us-syria-un-idUSTRE78A1X020110911

U.N. push for Syria rights team blocked: official
10:59am EDT
By Isabel Coles
ABU DHABI (Reuters) – Syria has repeatedly blocked United Nations requests to admit human rights monitors, said a U.N. official who stressed that regional bodies such as the Arab League are key to reaching a long-term political solution to the crisis.
U.N. humanitarian affairs chief Valerie Amos said the organization had made clear it was “extremely concerned” about reports of human rights violations, but that the Syrian government had denied entry to rights investigators.
“The requests have repeatedly been made for a human rights mission into Syria. It hasn’t yet happened but they have been made repeatedly,” Amos told Reuters in an interview.
She added that a U.N. mission entered Syria last month but with only limited access.
French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe earlier on Sunday called the U.N.’s failure to agree on a resolution against President Bashar al-Assad’s administration a ‘scandal’, but Amos said mediating the situation was not the U.N.’s responsibility alone.
“It’s not just about the U.N… I do think that regional organizations like the Arab League are absolutely critical in relation to this, particularly in relation to any longer-term political reform and political developments,” Amos said.
The Arab League has told Assad the violence must stop, but has not taken as hard a line as it did on Libya, where it backed a “no-fly zone.”
Assad has sent in tanks and security forces to crush months of protests by activists demanding an end to his family’s 41-year rule. The United Nations says more than 2,200 civilians have been killed since the clampdown began in March.
In a marked shift in rhetoric, Syrian protesters on Friday took to the streets calling for international protection to stop civilian killings in what has become one of the bloodiest crackdowns on popular uprisings sweeping the Middle East and North Africa.
Arab League head Nabil Elaraby visited Syria on Saturday and agreed with Assad on a series of measures to help end the violence. Elaraby said he would present these measures to Arab foreign ministers for discussion.
Last month, a U.N. humanitarian mission allowed into Syria found there was an urgent need to protect civilians from excessive use of force, though the delegation was not given unfettered access.
“We were able to go in, but they were accompanied at every stage and because of the large crowds they weren’t able in every place to speak to the people that they wanted to speak to,” Amos said.
(Editing by David Cowell)

“In your name, brothers, and on behalf of the Iraqis and Arabs everywhere we tell those Persian cowards and dwarfs who try to avenge Al-Qadisiyah that the spirit of Al-Qadisiyah as well as the blood and honor of the people of Al-Qadisiyah who carried the message on their spearheads are greater than their attempts.”

– Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti, on the eve of the Iran-Iraq War, 1980 (I wish he had wiped Iran off the map).

SS is not Persian. He is Syrian Alawis wanna be Persian. I feel bad that he has a psychological need to claim he is Iranian. While I don’t deny that Persia has had its own civilization, SS should have felt proud of his own birth culture.

“You better educate yourself about the history of Persia and what the great king of Persia Cyrus did.”

Wow, so the last Persian friend of the Jews you could find, lived in 580 BC? LOL! Dude, the records from that era are so obscure they might as well be called myths.

“hmadeenejad sleeps on the floor, and wear the same Jacket for years.”

Yeah, just like how Qaddafi’s supporters said he lived like a humble Bedouin in a tent. Did you see his pimped up private airplane? And if he sleeps on the floor, it’s probably because he considers such conveniences as the bed and chair to be imperialist Zionist creations.

And don’t pretend that the guy’s statements didn’t have wide support inside Iran. As I recall, he didn’t suffer any consequences as a result of these shameless statements.

Also, you should know something. Most times, the biggest homophobes turn out to be closet gays themselves.

“We always put blames on the other side and we forget to deal with our complex, retarded, radical, rigid, mentality. ”

You might start with doing something about your obsession with Khalid ibn al Waleed, Salahudin, and every other great person who didn’t happen to share your bitterness over Ali’s failed bid for the Caliphate.

289. SS said:

“Tlas,

Stop spreading lies about the great persian civilization. Iran never ever invaded or got into war with any other country for the last 100 year. Norman would love to welcome u to Norouz next March and enjoy the hafseen table. The Irania culture is very rich and we are tolerant loving people who respect all sects. We had the largest Jewish community until the current regime came. we are not radicals at all and we do not use offensive language like Tlass who said that his Quraan taught him to spare christians.”

Thanks for finally admitting that you are Iranian. Guys, take a look at this comment, he himself admits he’s Iranian ( “we Persians). Now pls stop speaking on behalf of Syrians, SS (Shiite sectarian).

And yes, I am proud that the Qur’an taught me to love and protect Christians, I wonder why you find it “offensive”; what the devil do you mean ?

Tlass “Thanks for finally admitting that you are Iranian. Guys, take a look at this comment, he himself admits he’s Iranian ( “we Persians). Now pls stop speaking on behalf of Syrians, SS (Shiite sectarian)”.

Did not you read Tara’s comment u idiot.

Tara “SS is not Persian. He is Syrian Alawis wanna be Persian”

Tara, I have to bow for you, I admire your intelligent. I have to admit that you started (deleted for inappropriate content)

Tlass “And yes, I am proud that the Qur’an taught me to love and protect Christians, I wonder why you find it “offensive”; what the devil do you mean ?”

Idiot for the second time. I find it offensive that you need a wholly book to teach you to love other humans. You (deleted for insult) Islamic radical. Do we need books to teach us the basic ethics of humanity.

Syau

Hi, I think you should come back. You were an example of a respected Syrian Alawi on SC in my opinion. After your departure, the only example we have is some strange people. I know we completely disagree on everything but you were representing the educated proud Alawis and not the wired ones. It is ok to disagree but I think whoever left on SC are misrepresenting your sect.

wired ones are better at times; trust me on that. I gaurantee it!

I don’t mind whether SS is an Iranian or an Alawi, he makes a lot of sense. Jews and Persians should be best friend, instead of arch foes.

SS, your remark about Tara’s shoes is sexist and chauvinistic.
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9/11 was Betho’s birthday!! he was born in 1965.

What a coincidence two catastrophes on the same day.

Surely he could not manmage to have a day out this year he was locked inside his rat hole with his Vogue’s lady

Dear MAJEDKHALDOUN

Heartfelt thanks, I believe that I do owe NORMAN a sincere apology. In no way I was trying to say that he is naive, I only wanted to say that sometimes Norman’s question seem naive, but that indicates a sincere curiosity and humility, both of which, I believe Norman amply possesses, given that curiosity is a sign of high intelligence. Norman is the genuine thing, and I have said that on many occasions. If I have offended him, I beg that he accepts my apology.

I have been in the States for more than twenty years. B

313. ss said:

“Tara, I have to bow for you, I admire your intelligent. I have to admit that you started to (deleted)

(deleted for insult) learn how to speak to women. (deleted), if you dare say that to a Sunni woman we will (deleted)

In Memory of A Hero

Yesterday, and as the Secretary General of the Arab League was meeting with Syria’s chief tormentor, regime thugs visited the Matar family in Damascus Suburb with the body of their twenty six (26) year old son Ghiath. Along with the body, it was reported; the thugs handed the family their son’s larynx telling them, amidst their cries to make shawarma out of it.

I am a grown man, and I don’t believe that men should not cry, for I do cry, sometimes even in sad or romantic movie. But since yesterday, my tears are bitter. And as I write these words, heavy rain falls where I live, and while I wonder if nature is crying for the brave youths of Syria, my tears race with the drops of rain and Ghiath’s beautiful smile seemingly wanting to re-assure me, I hear a voice I never heard before … “common old man, don’t cry….. I am but one of thousands and you will be free”.

Ghiath was a leader in the Syrian youth peaceful movement. He was among those who demonstrated unparalleled creativity in non-violent resistance as he and his friends tried to greet those charged with suppressing them with flowers and bottles of water in the heat of Syrian summer. He was waiting for his first daughter when the hyenas kidnapped him after luring him with a trap turning his generosity and chivalry against him as he answered an apparent SOS call from a friend. Within three days of his arrest, this strong young man was dead because of torture inflicted by the Assad mafia hyenas.

Have words been invented to describe the level of atrocious hate this regime has for its own people? Is their mutilation of the young bodies a manifestation of the rot that eats them? Is it fear that moves them? Is hatred? is it revenge? Or is it simply a death wish in need of an answer?

Some may want to believe that martyrs will be happy in heaven, I think more of the living, the mother awaiting her son, the young wife longing for the strong arms of her handsome husband, the daughter who they want to have grow knowing the name and face for the man responsible for her not enjoying the cuddling of her father, his guiding words, and not holding his finger with her entire hand as she walks next to him in the market place. Curse the murderers, curse them for eternity.

I leave you with what some people claim to have been Ghyath’s last testament to his friends for my tears can hold no longer and my arms are week, my fingers feel inept to write appropriate words. I am dreaming that my words would transform into winds that blow across Syria and clean, once and for all, the rubbish called the Assad regime, and all those whose moral compass is pointing into a direction of inhumanity, savagery, and hate.

Translation from Ghiath Matar’s Last Will

Praise Be to Allah, prayers, and peace to our Prophet Muhammad, his family and his companions

My free and young brothers of the revolution, you who have shared with me the path to freedom during days that were the most beautiful days of my life

If words of my martyrdom pain you, be comforted in the knowledge that I have now simultaneously attained both happiness and freedom. I wish if I can come back to life so that I can once more carry the banner of justice, dignity, and freedom and to be martyred once again…. Don’t think they have finished me off with the bullet they fired.
By God, I have triumphed and I have aided my cause every moment I came out to the streets to say no to injustice and tyranny, Yes to freedom, justice and dignity

And my will to you is to remain true to the principle we went out for, and to work towards achieving all the slogans we raised until they become a living reality, to persevere in your courage no matter how they tried to get you of to throw your ranks into disarray, don’t allow them to change you, don’t cheapen my blood, and the blood of the martyrs who gave their souls for a free Syria, don’t sell our sacrifices for any price. Don’t dialog with your executioners but wrest your rights from them with your determination to achieve victory.

I have seen freedom right at the gates, I’ve seen it very close to me and to you

Every time we went out, when our chants shook the earth, and instilled terror in the hearts of cowards, I sow freedom approaching and victory being achieved … From my world, I now see it approaching nearer to you. Do persevere for victory is but one extra hour of perseverance.

Do not despair even if the whole world fought you and denied you. Do not stop even if they repelled you and erected barriers and obstacles in your ranks, do not you turn back or they will get you, destroy you, and with you destroy the dream. Do not surrender for by that you sell our precious blood, and all of the efforts we made for a free dignified homeland.

Remember me when the shouts tower, when the women ululate at the wedding ceremony of martyrdom, and whenever a demand of ours is achieved along the way to freedom. Remember me when you celebrate the fall of the regime and the liberation of our homeland from the abusers. Remember me every time you plant a Jasmine sapling in Syrian soil, every time you lay a brick in a building, and when you see the future in the eyes of children, and remember that I gave my soul and my blood for that moment.

May God countenance you and bless you with steadfastness, victory will be ours at your hands, O heroes

Syrian Citizen Ghiath Matar

317. Amir in Tel Aviv said:

“I don’t mind whether SS is an Iranian or an Alawi, he makes a lot of sense. Jews and Persians should be best friend, instead of arch foes”

Amir, take our advicem do deals with the Sunni Arabs before its too late, cz we are going to wipe Iran off the map pretty soon, if the Israel will try to befriend Iran, you have another sunni Saddam Hussein on your hands in Syria, but this time he will be smarter. So take our advice, just think that Iran doesn;t exist, don;t you dare say anything good abt Iran, or Persians, or Shi’ites (btw, we are taking out Nasrallah and Nabih Berri pretty soon).

Tell me, menhebaks, was Ghiath Matar an armed terrorist?

“Remember me when you celebrate the fall of the regime and the liberation of our homeland from the abusers. Remember me every time you plant a Jasmine sapling in Syrian soil, every time you lay a brick in a building, and when you see the future in the eyes of children, and remember that I gave my soul and my blood for that moment.”

@ Wazup SS

If we call you Alwai you turn crazy!! and if we call you Persian you go nuts!!

I understand you’re quite insecure about your skin so just tell us how do you like to be called eh?

Assuming you’re an Alawi, do you believe in Arabism?

Landis ! for article 320
where is the modarator ? Whether level the comment is pleasant to you? Whether it is considered it the academic work?

“You were an example of a respected Syrian Alawi on SC in my opinion”

No, he was a sellout, just like the other Alawites. He and his ilk sold this country down the river for scraps from the ASSad table. Hypocrites who bash the West, yet enjoy living on the West’s welfare.

I guess the mukharabarat ran out of money to pay him and Mjahali, to keep posting here. But apparently other people seem to be willing to keep posting in exchange for some spare change out of Makhlouf’s pocket.

@ Menhebkes

So now both Najati and Naji (Najahti’s son) Tayara are both arrested!!

Anyone to explain what‘s the policy of arresting civilians?

Armed? No
Terrorist? No
Threat? No
Sunni? YES

Did you guys condemn the heroic video of 11 Alawis killing a wounded Sunni man?

about SYRIAN HAMSTER who said:

Looks like someone lost some luxury during London Riots.

..; with 200 Million Dollars in damage, and many homes and businesses torched by the rioters, only 5 died and not by Police bullets.

.. the excessive civility of British law enforcement ..

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The reality :
Seven dead people including one killed by bullets by the police, the others were killed trying to protect properties or by shooting
following a peaceful march.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/police-pollies-in-war-of-words-over-riots-20110813-1irg2.html

Between 6 and 10 August 2011, several London boroughs and districts of cities and towns across England suffered widespread rioting, looting and arson.

Following a peaceful march on 6 August 2011 in relation to the police response to the fatal shooting of Mark Duggan by Metropolitan Police Service firearms officers on 4 August 2011, a riot began in Tottenham, North London. In the following days, rioting spread to several London boroughs and districts and eventually to some other areas of England, with the most severe disturbances outside London occurring in Bristol and cities in the Midlands and North West of England. Related localised outbreaks also occurred in many smaller towns and cities in England.

The riots were characterised by rampant looting and arson attacks of unprecedented levels. As a result, British Prime Minister David Cameron returned early from his holiday in Italy and other government and opposition leaders also ended their holidays to attend to the matter. All police leave was cancelled and Parliament was recalled on 11 August to debate the situation.

As of 15 August, about 3,100 people had been arrested, of whom more than 1,000 had been charged.[12] Arrests, charges and court proceedings continue, with courts working extended hours. There were a total 3,443 crimes across London linked to the disorder.[13]

Five people died and at least 16 others were injured as a direct result of related violent acts. An estimated £200 million worth of property damage was incurred, and local economic activity was significantly compromised.

Police action was blamed for the initial riot, and the subsequent police reaction was criticised as being neither appropriate nor sufficiently effective. The riots have generated significant ongoing debate among political, social and academic figures about the causes and context in which they happened.

Deaths

Trevor Ellis
26-year-old Trevor Ellis, of Brixton Hill, died following a shooting in Croydon, South London.[3][42][43] His family denied reports that Ellis, who had come from the Brixton area to Croydon with a group of friends, had been involved in looting.[44][45]
Haroon Jahan, Shahzad Ali and Abdul Musavir

On 10 August, in Winson Green, Birmingham, three men – Haroon Jahan, 21 and brothers Shahzad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31 – were killed in a hit-and-run incident while attempting to protect their neighbourhood from rioters and looters.[4][46][47] A 26 year old man, a 23 year old man and a 17 year old youth appeared in court charged with murder and were remanded in custody.[48]
Richard Mannington Bowes

A 68-year-old man, Richard Mannington Bowes, died on 11 August after he was attacked while attempting to stamp out a litter-bin fire in Ealing on the evening of 8 August.[49]

Bowes was attacked by members of a mob on 8 August 2011, while attempting to extinguish a fire that had been deliberately started in industrial bins on Spring Bridge Road. The attack inflicted severe head injuries which resulted in a coma. The assault was caught on CCTV and reportedly filmed on mobile phones by associates of the alleged assailant.[50] The attack on Bowes was witnessed by several police officers, but due to the number of rioters they were unable to come to his aid until riot squad officers pushed back the rioters while being attacked in order to reach Bowes. A line of officers then held back the rioters as paramedics arrived.[51] Bowes’s wallet and phone had been stolen, and police faced difficulty in identifying him. He died of his injuries in St Mary’s Hospital on 11 August 2011 after being removed from life support.[52][53]

Many tributes were paid to Bowes, including Ealing Council who flew the Union Flag at half-mast over its town hall and announced the launch of a relief fund in his name,[54] and London Mayor Boris Johnson, who described him as a hero.[55]

A 22-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of Bowes’ murder, rioting and committing three burglaries;[56][57] he was released on bail. A 16-year-old male who lives in Hounslow was charged with murdering Bowes, violent disorder and four burglaries.[58][59] He appeared at Croydon Magistrates’ Court on 16 August 2011, where he was remanded in custody until his appearance at the Central Criminal Court on 18 August 2011.[58] His 31 year-old mother[60] was charged with perverting the course of justice.[58]
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Hey, Mangled Head @325, do you think the moderator is your personal shabeeh? If you people can’t take it, stop trying to dish it out LOL!

I can imagine the menhebaks whining to Youtube. “Hey moderators, how dare you make our president look bad by hosting videos of the people he murdered and tortured! You Zionist Salafis!”

“Did you guys condemn the heroic video of 11 Alawis killing a wounded Sunni man?”

In case any of you menhebaks need a reminder;

That’s Alawite bravery for you. 11 of them against a dead guy.

(Deleted for inappropriate content. Last warning before you are banned)

@ 325. Mango

Stop being bloody charlatan eh!!

What about your mate’s comment 313. SS “I have to admit that you started (deleted)”? do you find it an academic piece of art?

“As I do admit I fall short off Aboud in Language”

Yeah, I think we got that when you mixed up the words holy and wholly.

I just find it amazing that the menhebaks will always pick the wrong spelling of a word. I mean, just by the laws of chance, they should expect to get *some* right.

313 Khalid Tlass “Deleted quote”

Thank you moderator but I honestly did not get offended or upset regarding Tlass remarks. This gives an idea about what I said regarding him in the previous post. Anyway, thanks for deleting his remarks

Egypt arrests another 92 involved in Israeli embassy clashes

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-09/12/c_131133104.htm

CAIRO, Sept. 11 (Xinhua) — Egyptian military police arrested on Sunday another 92 persons involved in Friday’s clashes outside the Israeli embassy.

According to the official news agency MENA, during the riots, 19 people set fire to several police vehicles and tried to break into the Giza security directorate near the Israeli embassy.

The general prosecution is investigating the whole event.

On Friday night, some Egyptian protestors broke into a building which houses the Israeli embassy in Cairo. They destroyed a newly- built concrete wall outside the embassy building and lowered the Israeli flag and threw documents out of the windows. Three died and 1,049 others were injured in the rampage.

Israel’s ambassador to Egypt and most of the embassy staff were carried back home by an Israeli plane early Saturday.

@ ABOUD

Menehbkes suffer low IQ so don’t expect mush but hey at least they’re contributing in adding rubbish to the Webster such as “wholly”.

Now as a matter of fact if you go to Teshreen university in Lattakia where students should go to “learn” you would find the illiterate Alawis (who got their admission just because being Bathissts, Mukhrabart, or connected Alawais) either at the security booth harassing students and enjoying their famous Matta drink or at the literature department café trying to find their counterpart low life standard girls.

So yeah again don’t expect much mate.

Ho hum, still waiting for an answer from the menhebaks. Was Giath Matar an armed salafi? Is Najati Tayara an armed salafi?

Amazing. These people can dig up 1400 year old grievances and whine a most grievous whine that would fill the heavens with the magnitude of their whine, but they don’t dare answer these simple questions.

If you people ever find a shabeeh in a ditch with his throat slit, then that’s called retribution. Maybe if enough of junior’s thugs get the same treatment, they will think twice before killing any more prisoners.

I didnt know Hazrat Khalid bin Waleed are buried in Homs. Thanks for that. That makes Homs a very important place.

Uzair, yes, that’s why Homsis like to call themselves Ahfad Khalid.

Israel, Egypt’s Brotherhood in dispute over peace

Israel’s defence minister raises alarm over country’s increasing isolation

Sep 12, 2011

http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/israels-defence-minister-raises-alarm-over-countrys-increasing-isolation

Yesterday, Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood demanded a “revision” of relations with Israel and rejected heightened security measures imposed after the storming of the Israeli embassy.

Israel “must have received the message and understood that Egypt has changed, the entire region will change, and there is no room left for its arrogance and aggression,” the Islamist group said.

“There is a wide picture forming around us that includes what happened with Turkey, what is happening with Egypt and what is happening with the Palestinians,” Mr Barak said.

“These are events that are not in our control, but we can certainly influence the way we will be positioned against them.”

Mr Barak said Israel’s position may suffer a further blow because its ties with the US, its staunchest ally, are “deteriorating”.

Menehkes did not disappoint their God betho and proved themselves “incompetent” similar to him.

Stop dodging questions and come out for debate?

Ah true you’re busy fabricating videos for your fav DOUNIA TV eh

Can one of the very highly paid State Dept. NeoCON bloggers on this board teach this Syrian imposter how to type Menhebak

Pre-Emergency State

Three of my mate have received a police note to attend to their military divisions. They’ve been told to update their contact details and to not leave the country.

Declaring the “pre-emergency” state is another desperate move from Betho. It allows him “legally” to use (steal) private properties and resources (seems like the government resources ran out already) and at the same time he’s dreaming of getting the boys (youth in general) off the streets to gather them where he can keep his eyes on them.

Honestly his strategic advisor is just playing him with all these ludicrous actions, maybe he’s Teshreen University graduate

Maroni and said that.

????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????? ????????.

??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? “??? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ????????? ??? ????????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????”.

We need the help of Dr. Khoury or Mr. Shami the expert in Christian life in the middle east to give us an opinion about what Ra3i said

*** WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND ***

Egypt police raid Al Jazeera office as sense of crisis grows

Sunday, 09.11.2011

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/11/2401941/egypt-police-raid-al-jazeera-office.html

CAIRO — Security police raided the Egyptian offices of the Al Jazeera news channel Sunday and detained a member of its technical staff in the first move of its kind against a foreign news organization since the ruling military council declared a state of emergency in the wake of the storming of the Israeli embassy here.

Egypt’s ruling military council later announced that the emergency law decree would be expanded to allow prosecution for the “spreading or broadcasting of any false news, information or rumors.”

*** NUFF SAID ***

You just can not help not to laugh with the demonstrators calling 9-11 ??? ????? ???????

Enjoy!

??? ????? ??????? continued-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9oZIzY4eJe0

Thanks Baran for the expression.

“Honestly his strategic advisor is just playing him with all these ludicrous actions, maybe he’s Teshreen University graduate”

True, I’ve said it before. Whoever is “advising” junior, secretly wants the downfall of him and his family.

Thank you Baran, nice party, good for some dancing as well. We do not mind you singing, dancing, or sitting in the streets; just behave and you have many years ahead to do all of that and on daily basis. We like it when we see people peacefully singing and demonstrating. You have all the right to do that; but please do not use weapons. Okay, behave and be nice

I think the second video which was posted by T; (I cannot mention the full name as the moderator will bane me and Tlass will kill me); I was saying this video is better in regard to singing, also they used some christmass tree decorations. Waw, good job. If there is no weapons we are all with the demonstrators. Dare you hold weapons, we kill you.

Israel in diplomatic storm – Monday, 12 September 2011

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=20110912108735

“I am very concerned by the daily deterioration of Israel’s strategic balance,” said Oded Eran, head of Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies and a former ambassador.

“We have seen a deterioration of our relations with Turkey and Egypt, and we have witnessed problems in our relations with America. The absence of any viable peace process and the specter of a UN resolution (on Palestinian statehood) is only making things worse.”

“After the Arab Spring, we predict that a winter of radicalism will arrive,” Major-General Eyal Eisenberg, the chief of the Israeli army’s Home Front Command, said this week.
“As a result, the possibility for a multi-front war has increased, including the potential use of weapons of mass destruction,”

“In this new role for Turkey, Israel doesn’t have much of a part to play,” said Joshua Teitelbaum, a senior fellow at the Moshe Dayan Center for Middle Eastern Studies in Tel Aviv.
“It needs to curry favor with the Arab world, and it’s very easy to curry favor … if you’re anti-Israel,” he added.

Only this week, a Bloomberg columnist reported that former US Defense Secretary Robert Gates had accused Netanyahu of being an “ungrateful ally” shortly before he left office, adding that the Israeli leader was “endangering his country by refusing to grapple with Israel’s growing isolation”.

*** NUFF SAID ***

Khalid Tlass;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouDRDzqTu0M

He reminds me of you

Birthday celebration continued across Syria.

Turkish-Egyptian alliance: Israel faces regional isolation

Netanyahu can either prepare for another war or accept that Israel can no longer impose its will on its neighbours

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/sep/11/turkish-egyptian-alliance-israel

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu now faces a real choice. He must realise that humiliating Turkey by refusing to apologise for the deaths on the Mavi Marmara was a colossal error. The strategic consequences for Israel of a hostile Turkish-Egyptian alliance could last years. They far outweigh the advantages of a tactical victory in the UN Palmer report, which lasted exactly days. Israel needs to repair relations with Turkey and do it quickly. The price of such a rapprochement will have gone up in the last week, but it is still worth paying. The Israeli premier’s reaction on Saturday to events in Cairo was, by his standards, measured and moderate, so maybe even he now realises this.

The choice he faces is clear. He can either prepare for another war (Avigdor Lieberman’s response to Turkey was to suggest that Israel arm the PKK) or he can accept that Israel can no longer impose its will on hostile and weaker neighbours. For one thing, the neighbours are growing stronger. The Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz put it more bluntly. In an editorial about the harassment of Israeli passengers on a Turkish Airlines flight in retaliation for similar treatment Israeli authorities meted out to Turkish passengers, it suggested that Israel needs humiliation in order to respect others. No one needs further humiliation, but respect of its neighbours is in short supply.

*** NUFF SAID ***

Article with a link to a video showing the body of the protester who was detained and tortured for a few days by the security criminals. He died under torture.

These are the reforms that the Syrian people were promised.

http://www.watan.com/flash/??????-????-???-?????????-???????-???-????-???????-???-????-????????-?????.html

Teachers

ANN @ 341

Can one of the very highly paid State Dept. NeoCON bloggers on this board teach this Syrian imposter how to type Menhebak

No need to do that, a poorly paid destraction specialist already did the spelling. You guys don’t recognize I R O N Y even if it satres you in the face and then some.

The London Riots Again

HSYRIAN @ 328

It is getting painful to watch. You guys and gals (besho’s sycophants) have an incredible ability to find even unintentional traps, and FALL in each and everyone of them.

The one person killed by police bullets was killed in a shoot-out before the riots. His death instigated the riots. Therefore, he does not count in the five both I and the article you quoted mentioned (and it is a total of 6 not 7) since the lowly rat was clearly talking about the riots themselves, not what led to them. The one dead by police bullet is currently a disputed case of police brutality, that will be investigated. Very much like besho will investigate the 3000+ deaths in Syria.

Secondly: the article you quoted states Five people died and at least 16 others were injured as a direct result of related violent acts. An estimated £200 million worth of property damage was incurred, and local economic activity was significantly compromised. where did you get the extra fatality from?. I thought the journalist was wrong, so I went through the article you posted, and it only counted 5. (Trevor Ellis, Haroon Jahan, Shahzad Ali , Abdul Musavir, and Richard Mannington Bowes), seems that the journalist knows addition, Do you…?

SYCOPHANTS: DON’T READ, JUST PRACTICE YOUR DISLIKE REFLEX

OTW, Majid,

What you think are naive questions are questions meant to show the obvious to others,

“Dare you hold weapons, we kill you.”

Where was the weapon in this man’s hands when your fellow Alawite murdering-thugs killed him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBNjVArnvbo&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1&has_verified=1

Alawite bravery; 11 illiterate Alawites against one wounded man.

Where was the weapon in Najati Tayara’s hands when he was arrested? Where was the weapon in Ghiath Matar’s hand when your Alawite thugs murdered him?

Dare you answer, Persian?

Egyptian Prime Minister Offers to Resign in Wake of Cairo Riots

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/211716/20110910/cairo-riots-prime-minister-ruling-council-israel-embassy-us.htm

The Bahraini foreign minister, Sheik Haled bin Ahmad bin Muhammad al-Halifa, also condemned the attack on the Israeli Embassy in Cairo.

He wrote on his Twitter page that “the failure to defend the embassy building is a blatant violation of the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.”

Yil3an ro7ak ya Hafiz wo Allah ya’7dak ya Bathar

I love how the protesters are enjoying themselves, their spirit is amazing!! Surely unstoppable.

In Alhajr-Alswad (Damascus)they lit 11 garbage bins celebrating Betho’s birthday loooooooooooooooooool

I wonder how Betho feels with this level of humiliation, oh poor Betho yala go and cry on Athma’s shoulder

The People’s Palace, part 5. Revolution creativity at its finest 🙂

Shabeha thugs firing in a place of mourning. Yeah, you can really see how the mourners are all armed.

NORMAN

What you think are naive questions are questions meant to show the obvious to others

Majed is innocent of that. It is me only. And now I feel like a dunce. I’ll stay in the corner for 15 minutes. Right after finishing this post

Aboud
Where was the weapon in Najati Tayara’s hands when he was arrested?

It his heart, in his love for the country they are full of hate and contempt for and his love for the people they oppress, and in his words, in his calls for peaceful non violent protest. He is the antidote to them and for that he is stronger than a thousand guns.

Hyenas do not like the songs of birds.

Still waiting for an answer from the Alawite sell outs on this forum. Was Ghiatt Matar an armed terrorist? Is Najati Tayara an armed terrorist?

Was this man, wounded and dying in the street, an armed terrorist?

“361. Aboud said: Shabeha thugs firing in a place of mourning. Yeah, you can really see how the mourners are all armed”.

Please provide better quality videos. Where are your skills

“Please provide better quality videos. Where are your skills”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ_o348kECc&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSu1RU4Kujc&feature=player_embedded

Gaetan Vannay, a journalist with the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation, has recently returned from the besieged city of Hama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Euag_8CuU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyHsTkHn3mU&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzbg89YNWEM&ref=nf

Please provide answers to the questions. Where is your dedication to the first shabeeh?

Aboud: “Still waiting for an answer from the Alawite sell outs on this forum. Was Ghiatt Matar an armed terrorist? Is Najati Tayara an armed terrorist?”

You have been saying Najati Tayara for 2 months now???is he gay?? whats the matter with you asking about him a lot. Who is he?

Okay both are not armed terrorits. Are you relaxed now.

“Okay both are not armed terrorits. Are you relaxed now.”

And it only took him two months to get to that breakthrough.

Then why was one murdered, and the other is in jail?

Why do you support a regime that carries out such atrocities?

Why do you identify with the thugs who did this

The two videos in Sarmin do not show at all any evidence of army or what you call Shabee7a. I see people who just throw the chairs and tables on the floor. Nice movie though. Who is the director?

Where are the shabee7a and army in the movie of Sarmin???do you see them. Ooooo wait a minute, you hear the fire. I can do that at my backyard, I mean at my pic. Aboud, this is old boring story but good try.

The List Grows

ss’s accomplishments for the day (his gift to besho)

1. Demonstrating that besho’s sycophants are sexual harassers even in open forums

2. Confirming that besho’s sycophants are homophobic, once more

3. Confirming that besho’s sycophants, just like their master, are morally bankrupt and lack taste and tact.

SYCOPHANTS DON’T READ JUST PRACTICE YOUR DISLIKE REFLEX

Yes, apparently the Persian at 368 thinks that an entire funeral would be turned into a mock play, for his benefit.

These people wouldn’t admit that the first shabeeh was ever at fault, even if a video of Maher was posted showing him shooting demonstrators.

Oh wait….

367; Aboud

I cannot justify the last video at all. I talked to one of my friends about it as it was prodcasted on Aljazeera recently and I cannot justify it. The man is killed and I think what they did afterwards is brutal. I think the goverment should look into that and I think these thugs went far in this one. The goverment should bring them to justice. Doing your duty as an army man does not give you the right to mutilate the body after its death. I do not like to agree with you Aboud but this one is very graphic. I think the Syrian goverment should seriously consider looking at these videos because this one is authentic

Since the Alawite shabeha on this forum have (finally) admitted that Najati Tayara was not armed, and neither was Ghiath Matar, some interesting questions pose themselves;

1) How credible then are the regime’s talk of reforms and dialogues?

2) Why haven’t the perpetrators of these heinous crimes been bought to justice?

3) How can anyone in good conscious, support a regime that murders civilians in the manner Ghiath Matar was brutally mutilated, and which imprisons human rights activists like Najati Tayara, just for speaking to the BBC? Or is everything sectarian with you people?

4) Did Najati Tayara deny Ali his Caliphate? Did her murder Hassan and Hussein? Did he do any of the crimes the Alawites and Persians both draw their perpetual victimhood status from?

The Palestinian Liberation Army PLA ( a fully integrated division with the Syrian army where Palestinian refugees in Syria are still drafted to perform their Syrian compulsory military service in its ranks. Initially, Hafiz managed to seize control of this division in Syria to crack the PLO and fight Arafat using Palestinian blood in Lebanon. Hafiz appointed Tariq Al-Khadra as the Chief of Staff of the Palestinian Liberation Army who’s still the head of PLA (Syria))

PLA is NOT calling for emergency or pre-emergency state.

Palestinians who attended to the Palestinian military division in Ayen Karsh (Damsacus) were asked to go back home till further notice.

PS: Tariq Al-Khadra and all his family members were granted the Syrian citizenship as a reward for firing heavy bombs on the PLO headquarter in Alfakhani (Lebanon)

SS @371, very good. However, do you trust that the regime will bring them to justice, when in fact it was probably leaked with the regime’s approval?

369 SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
“ss’s accomplishments for the day (his gift to besho)
1. Demonstrating that besho’s sycophants are sexual harrassers even in open forumes”

Sexual harrasser??? when did that happen. You guys are very sensitive, more than your ladys. there was several posts on this forum about high heel shoes. I was just expressing my affection for high heel shoes, I call it compliment, you call it harrasement.

I am supproprised that the language used against me by the defender HERCULIS Khalid Tlass did not even provoke the moderator to send him a warning yet when I spoke about high heel shoes; the moderator threatened to bane me. I wonder why???. I can remind the moderator of the offensive language used by Tlass.

“374. Aboud said:
SS @371, very good. However, do you trust that the regime will bring them to justice, when in fact it was probably leaked with the regime’s approval?”

Listen I do not know what they are going to do. What I can say and I hope any officials in the goverment are reading this post and I would like them to review the video posted by Aboud 367. The same video was posted on several website and indeed it was troubling. It is important that the army maintains a high level of professionalism. This is a disgusting video, and does reflect a brutality beyond imaginations. I ask the Syrian goverment as one of the vivid supportors of this regime to review this video and bring people commited such disgusting crime to trial. The man could be a militin; but there is no justification for the shooting him many times intentionally after his death.

This is sending an the wrong message and we hold the Syrian army to a high standard; I hope we do not loose faith.

And you 3arbood; please do not correct my language

OTW,

All of all you are not as bad as some people make you to look like, but please can you make your notes shorter,

And yes your apology accepted, leave your web site and will leave my E mail for you to know who i am, my E mail is my name,you can look me up on the Web,
(( Khairo al kalam ma kalla wa dal.))

260. TARA said:

Tara, I will become a dedicated follower of your posts on shoes only and only if it’s linked to wine. After all, the two have lots in common, color, smoothness, feel, and aroma. Many elegant wines are also described to have a “taste of leather”, tobacco etc.

NORMAN

Ouch…

Sure thing http://7ee6an.wordpress.com

The posts are long though….

“And you 3arbood; please do not correct my language”

Tsk tsk, if only you had asked nicely. I’m performing a public service here.

“militin” should be militant.

“supportors” should be supporters. For now we will overlook your awkward sentence structure, and just get you menhebaks to spell properly.

“as one of the vivid supportors of this regime”

See, that’s the problem. This wasn’t an isolated incident. It was just one more in a pattern of systematic and disgraceful acts of barbarity and oppression. How can anyone, in all good conscience, support this disgraceful regime.

Just because something like this hasn’t happened to you, is no excuse to keep lending this gang of thugs your support. Neither is the fact that such horrendous acts are done to people you and your ilk don’t like, just because of some 1400 year old grievance.

Psot 378; ” I will become a dedicated follower of your posts on shoes only and only if it’s linked to wine. After all, the two have lots in common, color, smoothness, feel, and aroma. Many elegant wines are also described to have a “taste of leather”, tobacco etc”.

I have a got a potential competitor and from Australia. What can I do now. I guess I have to step aside. Rosemount, Lindemans, Jacob’s Creek Asutralian wines will win and beat the US ones. “color, smoothness, feel, and aroma”: I am a loser so better get myself out of this. I will keep following T posts though; who knows perhaps my competitor will suddenly disappear and vanish in the dark

So now you’re labelling a man who spoke out the truth as a “gay”!!!

Mr. Mohammed Najati Tayyara is a human rights activist who was arrested on 12/05/2011 because of his media coverage and human rights stance of the ongoing popular moves in Syria.

This “gay” did not shoot at a wounded Alawi man, did not loot Alawi shops and did not bombard Alawi mosques in contrary to your folks and cronies who only feed on hatred.

http://www.shrc.org/data/aspx/d14/4464.aspx
http://wordswithoutborders.org/dispatches/article/najati-tayyara-still-imprisoned/

Listen SS I’m really annoyed at you rude comments, I understand you lack the ability to debate or to construct a comprehensive notion but that does not justify your rudeness to both alive and dead heroic people. I’m really holding back to go down to your level and give you a bath.

True: “So now you’re labelling a man who spoke out the truth as a “gay”!!!”

What I know is that ABoud has been asking the same question again and again. I thought that he could be his lover or something like that. I do not know the person at all and I have no idea who was he. Okay not a big deal. If he was arrested then there should be a reason.

Darryl

Sure.  As long as I choose the topic.  How about discussing this

http://www.propagandistmag.com/tags/syrians-throw-shoes-bashar-al-assad

The day Bashar gets arrested, will have SC community vote on a shoe we can send to Aboud to throw at him.  

Aboud, can you do the throwing for us?

Syrian Ambassador to the US Imad Mustafa is involved in activities that vary between espionage, threatening Syrian dissidents, and lobbying and organizing rallies in favor of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

So far, Washington has been exceptionally toward Assad’s envoy. But in Syria today, humanitarian concerns should trump political interests. For his role in bolstering the regime at the expense of innocent Syrians, Mustafa should be expelled from Washington.

Help us in sending a clear message to the US government, baby killer’s representative has to be kicked out, we need huge numbers from all over the US.
Free Buses will be leaving Omar Mosque in Paterson New Jersey, Saturday 9/24/11 7:30am sharp.

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http://aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=639970&issueno=11976

Haytham

Imad Mustafa has proven himself to be a high profile thug. Nevertheless, I prefer he stays at his post for the time being as I am concerned that expelling him from the US would lead the Syrian regime to ask Ambassador Ford to leave. Mr. Ford is a great asset to the revolution and his presence in Syria is very important for the international community to keep a tab on what is truly happening on the ground.

“Aboud, can you do the throwing for us?”

Gladly.

SS always knew who Najati Tayara was, it’s impossible for me to have spammed this forum with Najati’s case without everyone looking him up. The menhebak’s have no defense or excuse for his arrest, so they feign ignorance. Or maybe ignorance is their natural state.

Dear Moderator:

SS: “You sick bastared islamic radical” is still posted
SS: “Fck, Fuck” is still posted

Can we use those words and not be banned? Almost every single quote SS makes has an insult in it.

Can we call him “As*hole” for example and get away with it? Simple question / Simple answer.

@Aboud:

I understand your frustration. I just can’t seem to digest that every single Syrian government official, the army and Sunni elite are sitting watching this madness unfold. That is why it eases my pain to think there is a bigger player and more to the puzzle.

Arab Spring Over, Islamists, Generals and Old Regimes Battle for Power From Tunisia to Syria – September 11, 2011

http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/09/11/the-arab-spring-is-over-from-tunisia-to-syria-the-struggle-is-now-between-islamists-generals-and-the-old-regime/

In most cases, the political momentum and initiative has already shifted from those at the forefront of the revolutionary upsurge who lacked organizational structure, recognizable leadership or a clear strategic perspective — the youthful demonstrators of Tahrir Square, for example — to more established power structures: The remnants of the old regime with deep structures of organized patronage; the security forces; and the Islamist parties whose many years in the field under the cosh of the secret police have given them a certain Bolshevik resilience. And the wider context, the Arab rebellions have become a regional geopolitical battleground for such established power players as Saudi Arabia and Iran, the emergent influentials such as Turkey and Qatar, and Western powers looking to reconfigure their role as a result of U.S. imperial downsizing.

The sense grows that what happens anywhere will have a profound impact everywhere. NATO fought in Libya and helped oust Qaddafi. Iran and Saudi Arabia play out their rivalry in Yemen, Bahrain, and Syria; Qatar hopes to elevate its standing by propelling the Libyan and Syrian opposition to power; in Syria, Turkey sees an opportunity to side with the majority Sunnis yet simultaneously fears what Damascus and Tehran might do in return: could they rekindle Kurdish separatism or jeopardize Ankara’s delicate modus vivendi in Iraq? Iran will invest more in Iraq if it feels Syria slipping away. As they become buoyed by advances in Libya and Syria, how long before Iraqi Islamists and their regional allies rekindle a struggle they fear was prematurely aborted?

185. KHALID TLASS said:

Mr Tlass, I have not responded to your posts as I generally ignore them. But somethings you keep repeating which warrant a response:

1. Caliph Omar actually was the one who expelled the Arab Christians tribes from Arabia, their own land, this is something the Messenger himself did not do to his Arabian fellow Christians tribes.

2. What Caliph Omar has done still stands to this day; no Christian is allowed to become a Saudi Citizen except the ones secretly converting to Christianity and living in hiding. No other country on the planet does what KSA does, they do not even allow Torah and Gospel into the country. How would you like it if the UK banned you from having the Qur’an?

3. Christianity in Syria and Lebanon will not end who ever takes over, they have always been part of the fabric. conservative and radical Muslims always make noise about this issue.

4. The Qur’an calls Christians and Jews for that matter many things such as Ahl Alkitab (People of the book), nearest of kin in worship, Infidels (Mushrikeen), Monkeys and even warns you not to be friends with them. Take your pick!, this way the Qur’an can accommodate every conceivable thought or mood you may have.

5. Syrian Christians have nothing to do with Michel Aoun or Michel Suleiman, I suggest you stop insulting yourself through repeating this phrase. Syrian Christians are ultra nationalist where ever they are, don’t forget that.

Husam

“I just can’t seem to digest that every single Syrian government official, the army and Sunni elite are sitting watching this madness unfold.”

As God is my witness, I know for a fact that most of the people you mentioned want to jump ship. But they need a ship to jump to.

Which is why I keep saying the opposition’s council’s foremost imperative right now is to build itself up to a credible stature, one in which it is taken seriously by foreign countries, and to put itself in a position where it can offer a credible plan for the Day After Besho. When people know what awaits them if they dump junior, they will turn on him in droves.

Aboud “Which is why I keep saying the opposition’s council’s foremost imperative right now is to build itself up to a credible stature, one in which it is taken seriously by foreign countries, and to put itself in a position where it can offer a credible plan for the Day After Besho”.

They did not build thmselves yet to a credible stature; what are they waiting. Its 6 months.

There is not a credible plan yet!!!!!!!!!

If I am the one who said that, I would have bee attacked. Thanks its coming from you. I agree with you, there is no ship, no leader, and no plan. People will not jump in

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http://www.alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=latest%5Cdata%5C2011-09-11-14-07-17.htm
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http://www.alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=today%5C11qpt955.htm&arc=data%5C2011%5C09%5C09-11%5C11qpt955.htm

(Get to Know the Syria Experts: Ammar Abdulhamid and Joshua Landis)

By Tik Root, Middlebury College

“Joshua Landis”

An associate professor at the University of Oklahoma, is best known as the administrator of the blog Syria Comment. Reactions to Landis are mixed. Opposition remarks range from “no one beats Joshua Landis in making me feel sick” to “people like Joshua skirt by unblemished.” Others see him as someone who “[tries] to walk a middle path.” Given this range of opinions, it is worth exploring his background.

Critics usually note Landis’ personal ties to Syria, in particular his marriage to an Alawite Syrian woman whom he met in 2002, but give few specifics. Landis elaborated on his family tree in a series of emails with me, which also covered his own political views.

His father-in-law joined the Baath party in fourth grade, long before the Assad family took power in 1970, and reached the rank of Liwa (major general) in the Syrian Navy before being asked to retire in 1990 after 29 years of service.

Landis’ mother-in-law was a high school teacher and refused to join the Baath party (or let her children do so). Therefore she was made to retire early. The Assad family imprisoned several members of her family, but still, “she is not easily attracted to regime opponents.”

Landis states that his views on the Middle East were “well established before I married,” and come mostly from his own experience in the region. In addition to many family trips to Syria during his youth, he has been traveling there regularly since 1981, when he spent a year as a Fulbright scholar in Damascus.

In 2007 the secret police expelled him on accusations of spying and being “too close to Israel.” The Syrian Ambassador to the U.S., Imad Moustapha, — a man Landis considers a friend — helped get the ban lifted. Also in 2007, he was involved in a disagreement with Michael Young, who accused Landis of up making “serious and unsubstantiated allegations against him.” He goes on the ask the reader, “is court scribe really a role an academic should aspire to?” Landis hypothesizes that Young’s comments were made in a “fit of rage.”

Another criticism of Landis concerns his blog, Syria Comment. Landis says that the blog “[remains] the most open to all voices and quote from all currents of the political spectrum.” Critics counter that Landis subtly inserts his personal leanings through the information he chooses to post. This largely subjective debate is best left to the readers to interpret for themselves”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tik-root/syria-experts-landis-abdulhamid_b_861037.html

What you said many years ago can be said now. God bless your soul president Assad.

Tara @387:

I agree with you. This is not very important.

However, sometimes when I can participate actively on SC, I copy and paste some news.

OTW, Congratulations on starting your own blog.
http://7ee6an.wordpress.com/

Thanks for translating Ghiath Matar’s Last Will. One of many, Syria’s finest. Young and handsome. I know Ghiath through his own moving words. A young man determined to live free, and die with dignity..he died happily, he wants no sympathy. His message is prophetic.

Ghiath, I wish I have your courage, I do not. You marched with your friends, your demands were ” justice, dignity and freedom”

“If words of my martyrdom pain you, be comforted in the knowledge that I have now simultaneously attained both happiness and freedom.”

His happiest moments were, the moments he was marching and chanting, with his friends, ” yes for justice, dignity and freedom”

As Ibrahim Kashoush, another young father, all who knew him speak very highly of him, “freedom is near” yallah erhal ya bashar! And many, many more children, women and men of all ages lost their lives, and many more are determined to live with dignity or….

May we all unite against tyranny, against the rule of one family, these young men are determined to achieve their goal. To the end…

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http://www.alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=today\11qpt998.htm&arc=data\201199-11\11qpt998.htm

From the same page Abughassan linked above.

Imad Mustapha is really doing his best to emerge as the high class ambassador who tastes art and music. Sarcastically , Imad did dedicate his last post to the martyrs of Daraa using Al-kindi’s book “How to Dispel Sorrow ‘Daf’ al-Ahzan’ “
http://imad_moustapha.blogs.com/

I say, Syrians are in no need to your advice!! We know exactly how to reward our martyrs and dispel the sorrow, it’s only by toppling the regime no more no less!!

Yil3an ro7ak ya Hafiz wo Allah ya’7dak ya Bathar

Too much is being said about forcing Bashar out of power as if this removal,which is necessary in my humble views,will end the regime and magically change Syria. What is needed is a vigorous discussion about a regime change that includes,but not limited to,electing a new president. Some posters suggestion that attacking then dividing the Syrian army can solve this crisis is a dangerous gamble at best. Another suggestion to arm Syrians will only lead to a massive bloodshed and an iraqization of Syria. I still have to hear a roadmap from the opposition and see anybody coming with a plan to ensure that Syria’s 1.2 million armed soldiers and security officers will either be neutral or supportive to any attemp for a forceful regime change. Give the undecided a secure road to take if we shut down Asad’s higway and many will follow. A foreign military intervention is not just unlikely,it is irresponsible and counterproductive.Slogans and speeches are not enough,real inclusive dialogue with Syrians,not the regime,is still missing.Syria waited 48 years to get to this point,there is nothing wrong in taking few weeks or few months to build a consensus inside Syria about how to move forward. Do not wait for the expats to do this,they are either unwilling,untrustworthy or unable to finish the job.

*** alain juppe NEEDS A REALITY CHECK! WHAT A CLOWN ***

Juppe: Eurozone chaos a danger to the EU project

Monday 12th September 2011

http://www.cityam.com/news-and-analysis/juppe-eurozone-chaos-danger-the-eu-project

FRENCH foreign minister Alain Juppe warned Greece that it must stick to the terms of the bailout agreement, in a speech in Australia yesterday.

“Greece has to correct its mistakes,” he said. “They also have to honor the commitments that they have made.”

He upped the pressure on the debt-stricken government to follow its planned fiscal readjustment, explaining that “we cannot allow the Euro to fall apart, because that would also apply to Europe as a whole”.

Juppe also called for more centralised fiscal authority. “The sole currency cannot really function unless there is economic power and European government as such around the Eurozone,” he announced.

In the outspoken speech, Juppe also attacked the UN for failing to do more to prevent violent crackdowns on dissidents in Syria.

Memo To: SS

RE: “…God bless your soul president Assad…”

God is much too dignified to be mucking around in the trash bins where Besho and Asma rut amongst the dead rotting bodies of the poor souls they’ve massacred…

Target Syria – 07 September, 2011

http://www.countercurrents.org/hassan070911.htm

The United States is watching the violence in Syria “with horror”, said White House Press Secretary, Jay Carney recently. The “horror”, of course, is the result of ongoing U.S. interference in Syria’s internal affairs aimed at destabilising Syria.

The U.S.-sponsored armed insurrection in Syria is a carbon copy of the U.S.-sponsored armed insurrection in Libya. It is designed to remove a nationalist government and replaced it with a puppet regime subservient to U.S.-Israel dictates, willing to serve U.S.-Israel Zionist interests. The imposition of sanctions by the U.S. and the European Union (EU) against Syria is part of a concerted propaganda campaign to demonise President Bashar al-Assad and his government.

Like Libya, Syria is not a U.S.-controlled client state and therefore Syria is subjected to U.S.-Western destabilisation policy. The Syrian Government is a nationalist government led by the Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party. Syria remains one of only a few independent Arab nations that have no “peace” treaty with, and have refused to recognise, the fascist state of Israel.

While the Syrian Government has somehow succumbed to U.S.-Western threats in recent time, for decades, the Syrian Government has supported legitimate Palestinian causes and stood against U.S.-Israel Zionist expansion in Palestine and in Lebanon. Syria is a frontline country (bordering Israel) that lies strategically between Iraq and Israel, making it a prime candidate for U.S.-Israel destabilisation policy. A “regime change” in Syria will see the U.S. and Israel in total control of the Middle East through a network of despotic and weak rulers. Palestinians will lose their only support and Iran’s relation in the region will be curtailed.

It is time for al-Assad to “get out of the way”, said U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in flagrant violation of Syria sovereignty. Her message is aimed at the pro-U.S. despotic regimes, including Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait, to toe the U.S. line of isolating Syria. As always, the Saudis led the pack and recalled their ambassador in Damascus and allowed leaders of the insurrection access to their media outlets.

On September 2nd, Hillary Clinton urged other governments (U.S. allies) to impose more sanctions against Syria to force President al-Assad to leave power. “The violence must stop, and [President al-Assad] needs to step aside”.

“Just as we have done in Libya, we are also encouraging the Syrian opposition to set forth their own roadmap for a tolerant, inclusive, and democratic path forward, one that can bring together all Syrians, Christians, and [Muslims]“. You wonder how American politicians get away with this kind of hypocrisy.

“U.S. imperialism and all the old regimes tied to it in the region are trying desperately to manage and contain the unfolding mass upheaval into channels that do not threaten imperialist domination of the region”, writes Sara Flounders of International Action Centre .

With the mainstream capitalist media in full swing distorting facts on the ground and demonising the Syrian Government, the prelude to war on Syria has already begun. In fact, none of the war crimes against Libya by U.S.-NATO army would have been possible without the one that preceded them; “crimes against peace”, fabricated and disseminated by propaganda organs like the BBC, Al-Jazeera, CNN and racist journalists and propagandists.

Libya as a Template

The pretext of “humanitarian” intervention with deadly bombs and missiles to “protect civilians” and justify U.S.-NATO military aggression against Libya has been exposed as an ugly lie. [1]. Thousands of innocent Libyan civilians were murdered by U.S.-NATO aerial bombings, missiles and U.S.-NATO-backed armed gangs.

Only fools buy into Western propaganda of “concern” for the human rights of dark-skinned people in Libya and elsewhere. If that were the motivation, American politicians and their Western allies would be at war with themselves for what they are doing to innocent civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. They are guilty of war crimes and should be put on trial. Moreover, where was U.S.-NATO army in 2009 when Israeli criminals killed more than 1,400 defenceless Palestinians, most of them women and children in the besieged Gaza Camp? They armed Israel to commit crimes.

Both, the U.S-NATO military aggression against Libya and the ongoing interference in Syrian affairs is part of an established propaganda campaign to manipulate the public and more importantly provides a diversion away from the deepening economic and social crises in the U.S. and Europe.

As we all know, in March 2011 the U.S. and its allies imposed sanctions against Libya, depriving Libyans of adequate supplies of food, water and medicines. Immediately after, the U.S.-NATO army began a campaign of terrorising the Libyan population using massive air power. In addition, U.S.-NATO military leaders continue to guide and provide air cover to the armed gangs (“rebels”) to create chaos and mayhem across Libya.

Curtis Doebbler, a renowned international human rights lawyer explains: “This was accomplished by the spurious actions of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon, who issued special passes to the former Libyan diplomats after their government had withdrawn their credentials. Bypassing the UN General Assembly’s Credentials Committee and well-established protocol, the UN secretary-general for the first time in the world body’s history personally favoured one side in what was by now a civil war.

“The secretary-general apparently in pocket, the Libyan government’s voice silenced, the UN could move to vote on a series of resolutions that would finally result in the authorisation of the West to use force against Libya.”[2].

The ‘United” Nations (UN), the “International Criminal Court” (ICC) and the mainstream media, including the outrageous Al-Jazeera , DemocracyNow and several Internet propaganda organs such as ZNet Communication and the fascist Juan Cole’s “Informed Comment” did their best to justify U.S.-NATO military aggression and cover-up the most barbaric crimes, even by Nazis’ standards, against an entirely defenceless small nation of six million people. A peaceful and tolerant nation with the highest score on the UN’s Human Development Index (HDI) of all African countries has been deliberately destroyed in a barbaric fashion. The mainstream media and war propagandists are guilty of war crimes.

In an extremely rare departure from its usual anti-Arabs and pro-U.S. propaganda, the Guardian of London comments:

“If stopping the killing had been the real aim, NATO states would have backed a ceasefire and a negotiated settlement, rather than repeatedly vetoing both. Instead, after having lost serious strategic ground in the Arab revolutions, the Libyan war offered the US, Britain and France a chance to put themselves at the heart of the process while bringing to heel an unreliable state with the largest oil reserves in Africa”. (Seamus Milne, the Guardian , 24 August 2011).

Colonel Muammar al-Qadhafi was willing to negotiate a peaceful solution, but after more than four decades of dealing with al-Qadhafi, U.S.-NATO leaders rejected any peaceful negotiation. The control of Libya was the goal and peace did not meet that goal.

The overwhelming majority of the Libyan population are against the violence unleashed by the armed gangs and NATO bombings which is the only thing that sustains the gangs’ violence. U.S.-NATO bombings of Libya “are in derogation of international law, actions that are criminal in terms of their consequences: the killings of children, the killing of people in their own homes, and this has been well documented”, said Michel Chossudovsky of Global Research in Montréal. Colonel al-Qadhafi enjoys 70 per cent of popular support across Libya.

In Libya, unlike in Tunisia, Egypt and Bahrain, there are no popular peaceful uprisings; it is a Western-backed armed insurrection. The so-called Transitional National Council (TNC), the Western-backed “Libyan rebels”, is a collection of expatriate criminals, C.I.A. operatives (“al-Qaeda”), xenophobic and racist hoodlums, and religious extremists. They are not peaceful ordinary Libyans struggling for democracy and human rights. They are U.S.-NATO ground forces.

According to the Guardian (25 August 2011):

“British and French special forces along with special forces from Qatar and some eastern European states are on the ground in eastern Libya, calling in air strikes and helping co-ordinate [armed gang] units as they prepare to assault Sirte, the last coastal town still in the hands of pro-Muammar Gaddafi forces”.

The armed gangs were financed, trained and armed by the U.S. and U.S. allies. Once they succeed, the U.S. will use the gangs as a façade of “democratic” government to control the country. There is hard evidence of mass killings of non-combatants, detainees and the wounded by the U.S.-NATO backed armed gangs.

For six months Libya was subjected to a barbaric U.S.-NATO military siege. U.S.-NATO aggression has been responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity. According to NATO’s own record, over 21,000 air missions have been flown over Libya, including 8,000 combat sorties by U.S.-NATO warplanes destroying hospital, schools, homes, water supply and communication. Thousands of innocent civilians have been killed. The country’s civilian’s infrastructure, including hospitals, schools, water supply plants and roads have been destroyed and ruined. On 09 August 2011, a criminal attack by the U.S.-NATO army killed 85 innocent Libyan civilians, including 33 children, 32 women and 20 men.

As the attacks on the Libyan capital Tripoli – with a population of 2 million – approached, the number of U.S. air attacks on Libyan air defences, ground forces and other targets has nearly doubled during the 12 days up to August 20, compared with air attacks in the first 132 days. Eric Schmitt and Steven Lee Myers of the New York Times observed:

“Through Saturday [20 August 2011], NATO and its allies had flown 7,459 strike missions, or sorties, attacking thousands of targets, from individual rocket launchers to major military headquarters. The cumulative effect not only destroyed Libya’s military infrastructure but also greatly diminished the ability of Colonel Qaddafi’s commanders to control forces, leaving even committed fighting units unable to move, resupply or coordinate operations”. ( NYT , 21 August 2011). Indeed, it was the heaviest bombardment to date. Once the way was cleared, the armed gangs stormed the Capital, inflicting mass atrocities against the civilian population.

A Libyan eyewitness told Kim Sengupta of the Independent (24 June 2011): “The [armed gangs] are saying they are fighting government troops here, but all those getting hurt are ordinary people, the only buildings being damaged are those of local people. There has also been looting by the rebels, they have gone into houses to search for people and taken away things. Why are they doing this?” In another piece in the Independent (27 June 2011), Sengupta exposes another criminal character of the Western-backed armed gangs. She writes, “the mounting number of deaths of men from sub-Saharan Africa at the hands of the rebels, lynchings in many cases, raises disturbing questions about the opposition administration, the Transitional National Council (TNC) taking over as Libya’s government, and about Western backing for it”.

The U.S. and its allies will back any group of criminals as long as they serve their imperialist interests. It is important to remember that the so-called “Independent” is one of the most anti-Arab propaganda mouthpieces of all the racist British newspapers. As the Independent on Sunday editorial reveals: “This newspaper supported NATO military intervention, and Britain’s part in it, when it began in March, but it was a choice between hard and complex options – and so it remains”. ( Independent on Sunday , 28 August 2011).

The aggression against Libya was in flagrant violation of international law and UN Security Council Resolutions, including Resolutions 1973 adopted in March to “use all means necessary to protect Libyan civilians”. There was no legal mandate to attack Libya and start a war. The sovereign Government of Libya committed no crimes.

It is clear that the aim of U.S.-NATO powers is to divide Libyans in order to seize control of Libya’s financial assets and oil reserves and strengthening imperialism’s grip on Libya and set the stage of the re-colonisation of Africa. It is a broad daylight robbery.

“In 1950, Libyans saw their country deliberately divided by Britain and France, and [the] seeds of division planted among them”, writes the renowned Canadian Middle East scholar, Henri Pierre Habib. After more than four decades of “independence”, the old seeds of division have germinated.

Meanwhile, U.S. politicians are blessed by what they are doing in Libya (violent aggression) and see it as a template to implement around the world. “It is a good indication of the kind of partnership and alliances that we need to have for the future if we are going to deal with the threats that we confront in today’s world,” said U.S. Defence Secretary, Leon E. Panetta. In other words, the aggression against Libya will be used as a template to commit future aggression against other nations, such as Syria.

Syria Could be Next

The destabilisation campaign against Syria has been in the making for several years. The Syria Accountability and Lebanese Sovereignty Restoration Act of 2003 was part of campaign to destabilize Syria and demonize President al-Assad. In 2005, the U.S. and its allies accused the Syrian Government of the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. As revealed by Kurt Nimmo: “[i]n late 2005, Richard Perle, at the time described as the Prince of Darkness, attended a meeting at the home of Farid Ghadry, the head of the Syrian Reform Party. Ghadry had met with Dick Cheney to strategize about regime change in Syria. He told the Wall Street Journal that Perle’s pal Ahmad Chalabi ‘paved the way in Iraq for what we want to do in Syria’”. The aim is to topple the current Syrian Government and replace it with a pro-U.S. and pro-Israel dictatorship. [3].

The campaign intensified in early February 2011 and during the popular uprisings in Tunisia and Egypt. In all cases, the U.S. and its allies very quickly intervened to shape and control the uprisings for their own imperialist interests. Democracy and human rights are irrelevant to Western imperialist powers. In fact, they despise anything to do with democracy and human rights. The U.S. arms and supports a number of brutal dictatorial regimes throughout the world with a criminal record on human rights.

From the outset, the Syrian rebellion was a U.S.-sponsored armed uprising against the Syrian Government. You wonder why the French and American ambassadors to Syrian travelled to the City of Hama to show solidarity with the armed-insurrection while for decades their own governments have refused to show the slightest solidarity with the Palestinians under Israeli fascist repression.

According to Lebanese newspapers, shipments of high quality arms to the “rebels” (armed gangs) through Jordan and northern Lebanon have been intercepted by Lebanese army intelligence. According to Army investigators, ties between the smugglers and Lebanese political parties allied with Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have been uncovered. The revelations provide evidence that the insurrection is a U.S.-backed insurrection aimed at toppling the government of Syria.

Furthermore, the Washington Post reported (18 April 2011) that, the U.S. (through its allies in the region) is secretly financing and arming the opposition to topple President al-Assad. “The U.S. money for Syrian opposition groups, including a satellite TV channel to disseminate false propaganda, began flowing under President George W. Bush and has continued under President Obama, even as his administration sought to build relations with President al- Assad”. Hence, the U.S.-sponsored armed resurrection has been in the making for some time, just waiting for the right moment.

According to Israel’s Intelligence news DEBKA (15 August 2011): “Large caches of weapons including anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, mortar bombs and heavy machine guns will be sent via ground to criminal gangs in major Syrian cities witnessing unrest. On Saturday 03 September 2011, armed gangs killed six Syrian soldiers and three civilians in an ambush in central Syria. A further 17 people were wounded as gunmen ambushed the bus near Hama ( BBC News , 03 September 2011).

Furthermore, Al-Akhbar reported that Lebanese Army investigators have uncovered a connection between the smugglers of weapons to the Syrian opposition and the 14 March alliance of former Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri, who is backed by the United States, Israel and Saudi Arabia. “The central idea was to foment unrest in a well circumscribed area and to proclaim the establishment of an Islamic emirate that would serve as a platform for the dismemberment of the country”, writes Thierry Meyssan, French intellectual and founder of Voltaire Network .

The so-called opposition groups and the media were financed by NGOs and the C.I.A. through USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and Freedom House. NED and NGOs are now used by the CIA as the preferred way to overthrow legitimate governments. Meanwhile, the majority of Syrians from all political persuasions oppose any outside interference, including foreign military intervention, and President al-Assad remains popular. According to a CNN Arabic poll, conducted in 2009, President al-Assad is one of the most popular leaders in the Arab world.

As in Libya, the truth has been turned on its head in Syria. The mainstream media distorted events on the ground in Syria to propagate a U.S.-sponsored armed-insurrection as a “popular uprising” that needs “humanitarian intervention” with deadly bombs and missiles. The media continue to fabricate endless news of endorsing new war of aggression against Syria and downplaying the violence against the government while amplifying the size of the anti-government protests and sensationalizing the death of protesters. Moreover, President al-Assad’s commitment to reforms through a National Dialogue has no space in the mainstream capitalist media.

As Pierre Piccinin observes:

“This portrayal of Syria in full scale revolution and of a Baath Party on the brink do not correspond in any way whatsoever to the reality of the situation; that the government holds control and what is left of the protests have in effect splintered and become considerably marginalised”.

Indeed, the security situation right now is much better and the Government of President al-Assad is on a solid ground. As mentioned earlier, the propaganda campaign was designed as a prelude to war.

Finally, like all countries, Syria may be not perfect, but it is up to the Syrian people to decide what kind of reforms they need without foreign interference in their nation’s affairs. Outside pressure on the U.S. government and its allies has to be mobilised to try and prevent Syria becoming a target for another U.S.-NATO military aggression.

“There is not a credible plan yet!!!!!!!!!”

The first step in solving a problem, is in admitting there is one. In that regard, the opposition is not just 6 months ahead of the Baathists, but 40 years, as proven by your disgraceful “God bless you president Assad”. God bless the man who murdered Giath Matar? Despicable. But no more than I expect from the unsophisticated Alawites.

So you agree then that neither the MB nor foreign countries can possibly be behind the revolution, since there is no leadership of strong stature. Thanks, even though it was an inadvertent admission, it is a useful one.

Qatar Emir survives an attempted assassination

http://www.yalibnan.com/2011/09/05/qatar-emir-survives-an-attempted-assassination/

Emir of Qatar Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani was attacked on his way to his Palace, Al Fajr newspaper reported on Monday .

The gunmen fired at Qatari Emir’s motorcade, which crashed on the way to the Palace where the meeting between Qatari Emir and Russian envoy was to take place.

The incident left Qatari Emir injured. He was taken to the hospital with eight others who were wounded

False Sense of History

A few people are arguing back and forth about what happened 1400 years ago or before and whether this is relevant today. Personally, I say it is, unfortunately in the Middle East, history either falls in the hard to deal with basket or it has been painted to make it appear that our history followed a winding path of a rose garden and that Islamic conquest simply filled a vacuum and everyone welcomed the Islamic invading army with open arms, chants, throwing rice kernels and Damascene roses.

The reality is the ME is not going to wake up from a deep slumber sleep to produce HUMANS, instead of just the “FAITHFUL, until proper history is taught in schools to address what really happened and shed light on who our HEROES really were. Only when the grievances of people is acknowledged; then our demons can be arrested and jailed for good and only then we’ll we have a few less bigots and intolerant people who can be civilized. Does this not tell you why we cannot tolerate open media?

Western civilization placed their dirty laundry in the open by teaching good and bad history because people learn from history not just mistakes. The Arabic speaking people only learn from mistakes because only the sanitized history is taught. Whether you choose to believe or not, the current injustices caused by the revolutions in Syria, Libya and other places has been impacted by the lack of teaching proper history to produce people first.

I conclude, before you chant with slogans about wanting democracy, get proper history taught in schools and start demanding that Syrian society produce real humans. I am not optimistic though, we have a lot of bad history to catch up with, arrest and throw away the key for good. Therefore, I am for the history to be discussed here unless someone has something to hide.

Darryl, how do you highlight your name in green color?

@ husam,
im glad you like syria 2.0, you were spot on at my intentions. were going to get rid of the bad and make the good better.
@ ss
FINALLY! you’ve admitted the regime is responsible for 1 death
2200+ left!
ss , if we went to a police station and reported that atrocity, we would be treated in a similar manner. in syria the only opinion your allowed is the pro-besho.

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i think the slow response by the organized opposition to form a transitional council demonstrates how authentic this revolution is.
the men in the streets take time to get organized. assume if the opposition was organized from start. the revolution would’ve had some centralized power that could easily be targeted. keeping power spread out among the protesters ensured this revolutions survival. had we gathered up , we would have been sitting ducks for the regime.

@408 Europe did not move forward by rehashing grievances from centuries past. If certain people feel the need to wallow in past miseries and dedicate their lives to looking for reasons to hate their neighbors, then it’s their life to wast, and my right to point out how primitive and self handicapping such thinking is.

France and Germany moved forward, despite having fought numerous wars against each other. Italy was accepted into the Western block despite being on the losing side of the war. And the USA did not hold a grudge against the British for burning down the White House in 1816, when it came time to fight a world war. Indeed, the North and Southern parts of the USA moved on after the war. There were tensions, but nothing that would have torn the country apart.

Countries and peoples must act in their best interests, as the times dictate. Those that choose to be shackled down by a centuries old grudge get nowhere. But hey, if its primitive wallowing in centuries old grievances you are after, by all means knock yourself out, while the rest of us move forward with new friends and new allies.

After all, where would that two faced little piss Michele Aoun be if he hadn’t swallowed his pride and started brown nosing Besho.

Qatar fighting for freedom: Fireworks show begins

http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/06-09-2011/118965-qatar_fighting-0/

While the motorcade of Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, the Emir of Qatar, was moving out of Doha and toward the tents erected for meeting the Russian ambassador, all of a sudden an unknown vehicle approached the motorcade and exploded, in the wake of which intense gunfire was heard at the scene of the incident.

A close associate to Sheikh Khalifa, the previous Emir of Qatar, said that while the incumbent Emir of Qatar survived this assassination attempt, his thigh was injured.

In addition to the death of eight of the Emir of Qatar’s bodyguards, an associate to the Emir of Qatar, an American general who was accompanying him, was also killed in this incident.

“i think the slow response by the organized opposition to form a transitional council demonstrates how authentic this revolution is.”

Exactly. The menhebaks, confused little schizophrenics that they are, somehow have convinced themselves that the revolution is leaderless, while at the same time being a plot formulated from within Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Europe and the Vatican.

It must be a mentally and intellectually painful experience to be a menhebak. No order they find refuge in 14 centuries old grievances. Compared to their present day basket of woes, it must seem like heaven to them.

411. ABOUD said:

At least good and bad history is taught in a curriculum and discussed. In the ME, they are hidden and not brought up at all. There is a vast difference between teaching and wallowing in a mess and that makes a big difference Aboud.

In the ME, you can be killed by insulting the Messenger himself, do you agree with that Aboud?

@ Darryl
My father always told me, we take history so we can learn from the mistakes and solutions of the past.
I find post world war 2 Europe as a great ideal for Syria 2.0, we need to do what the French and germans did. 2 traditional enemies that buried the hatchet, look where they are now. 2 major states in the strong European union,it would have never been achieved if each state stuck to the past!
However when i call out for punishment for the current regime, it’s not revenge. I think of it as judicial reform, their punishment must be a deterrent for all dictators and enemies of Syria. In Syria 2.0 the law is above all.

@ Darryl
My father always told me, we take history so we can learn from the mistakes and solutions of the past.
I find post world war 2 Europe as a great ideal for Syria 2.0, we need to do what the French and germans did. 2 traditional enemies that buried the hatchet, look where they are now. 2 major states in the strong European union,it would have never been achieved if each state stuck to the past!
However when i call out for punishment for the current regime, it’s not revenge. I think of it as judicial reform, their punishment must be a deterrent for all dictators and enemies of Syria. In Syria 2.0 the law is above all.

415. SOME GUY IN DAMASCUS said:

Dear SGID, I am all for burying the past and moving on with open arms, I do not like to dwell in the past, but proper history, true (no relationship to Mr True on SC) history should be taught to produce good citizen’s. My point, the ME only teaches sanitized history and bad history should be taught just as well, and then move on. Every civilization and religion has made mistakes, Islamic civilization ignores the bad elements. Not teaching the bad bits, I contend, is part of the reason the ME has despots and dictators.

Look at the sad affairs between Shia-Sunni issue, I contend, if this was taught in the open in schools, it will eventually lead to less friction and a unified Islamic Society. Students will come to accept it as a “difference of opinion” part of history and move on.

Please note, my post was not about dwelling in the past at all.

Dear Ann, I am embarrassed to say I do not know, it could be some default setting on my system or the moderator targeting my post? I will investigate for you.

Thanks Darryl

BTW poster ID “ABOUD” stops posting around midnight New York time, and it starts posting again around 6:30AM New York time.

Peace

@darrryl.
I’m glad you think so, and I believe history should be taught in a really objective manner unlike that provided in the Syrian curriculum and other schools of thought.
@Ann
I think you can highlight your name by providing a website in the website box
when you submit a comment.

*** alain juppe REALITY CHECK IS AT HAND ***

French banks braced for credit-rating downgrade-sources

Banks expecting Moody’s decision “imminently”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/10/frenchbanks-idUSL5E7KA0SS20110910

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904265504576564001885858480.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Proof of shelling. This falls under light shelling, but it’s shelling nonetheless.
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Dr.Landis !
Thank you !

A recommended read : Syrian in exile. Look at how they recruit informants (just before the author is being freed from jail)

“You are going to come here twice a week, and not empty-handed either: you’re going to come with information about other students, and anyone else you know or talk to. If you see anyone delivering propaganda, you are going to tell us about it. If you hear any subversive conversation, you are going to report it. If you get to know of any antigovernment group, you’re going to let us know about it. Are you sure you understand me?”

http://syrianexile.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/disintegration-46/

So far, I don’t know how he handled that.

BBC World Service. Heart and Soul.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00jy6cc

Miriam O’Reilly asks why since 9/11, so many European women have chosen to embrace Islam.

After 9/11, many Muslims in Britain experienced an upsurge of suspicion and hostility from people around them.

At the same time, paradoxically perhaps, the number of white converts to Islam began to rise.

In Britain, it has doubled in the last ten years – and nearly two-thirds of those who embraced Islam during that time are women.

Miriam O’Reilly meets three of them:

Lauren Booth, a journalist, single mother, and sister-in-law to Britain’s former Prime Minister, Tony Blair;

Myriam Francois Cerrah, a successful child actress who appeared in Sense and Sensibility, alongside Emma Thompson and gave up her dreams of Hollywood when she embraced Islam;

and Fatiha Iman, who grew up in a family wary of Islam and is now trying to mediate between her English family and her Pakistani fiance.

Miriam explores what drew them to a faith that exposed them to hostility after 9/11, and – in the eyes of their non-Muslim sisters – has forced them to give up much of their personal freedom.

Annie
Thanks for the link. I just added it to the blog links on my own blog. I look forwards to more. Many Syrians have stories to tell, and I am glad that they are archiving their stories. This is a history that we need to learn.

I will be reading each and every chapter of Mohammad’s story.

OFF THE WALL,
may you link me you blog?

Dear SGID

http://7ee6an.wordpress.com/

Please post only if your email does not connect to your real identity. I am not yet 100% sure of the security at wordpress.

ANN:
Do you or any of the nut-cases you link to care to provide a list of 20 Authentic and Indigenous Qatari human right workers who are jailed, or have been tortured (In Qatar not in Syria). I would love to broadcast their cases and let the world know how oppressed Qataris are to a point where they want the head of their Emir at any cost.

Revolutionaries! Be of high morale and do not lose hope at the length of the revolution. The wisdom behind this length may be to expose every evil trait of this regime right down to the smallest. Nothing will escape. No regime supporter will be able to hide and hope to pass the storm with reputation in tact.

What was your slogan?

“In God we trust”

http://www.sana.sy/eng/22/2011/09/12/368746.htm

‘CAIRO, (SANA) – Syria’s Ambassador to the Arab League, Youssef Ahmad, stressed the inevitability of enhancing efforts and mechanisms of joint Arab action and consolidating the rules and principles which guarantee the activation of Arab action in dealing with the national crises.’

In other words…. !?!#@?

Spam Ann,

Simply, when you post one of your spam comments, add a link in the “Website” field (that is above the Anti-spam word (Required)), and your name will appear in green.

**NUFF SAID**
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If an American general had been killed in Qatar, it would have made news the world over. Duh. Menhebaks, for once try to use the two working brain cells you still have LOL!

Actually SpANN, I go to bed just as the sun comes up in Homs. But I’d be happy to post a Youtube video of me pissing on a picture of your God Besho if it helps 🙂

So, where were the birthday celebrations for junior this year? What, the regime ran out of money to hire party goers? LOL!

The Unusally Quiet Arab League and UN

Here’s an article Spann may have missed:

At least 2,600 killed in Syria protests: U.N.

Mind you, this is more killed than the 2006 Lebanon and 2008 Gaza Wars and the Turkish Flotilla incident, COMBINED.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/12/us-syria-idUSL5E7KB0NC20110912?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

OTW 429
The Emir of Qatar took power by making a coup against his aging father while on holydays in Cyprus. But to get the greenlight of the US and be allowed to take over, he had to accept opening a commercial representation and mini diplomatic relations with Israel.

427. OFF THE WALL ; I linked to your blog.

All of you : get ready. Here is what my former Arabic teacher, a Syrian, told me when I said I was with the thawra : “the regime will prevail even if it has to cost 100 000 deaths.
Foreigners interfere every time the President wants to introduce reforms. The country is constantly attacked. This is a conspiracy. Watch al Duniya for the truth. Turks are dogs”. But I am not learning you anything new. When he said 100 000 it sounded like a million.

DEAR MINA
Thank you for the information. I would even go further to state that both him and his father lack the legitimacy of the elected. However, his external relationships is not the issue here. My question was on whether the Qatari people are maltreated or not…

There are off course plenty of human right issues in Qatar, starting with forced labor (attracting foreign workers with high paying contracts and then changing the contract), strict application of Islamic mores (outward display of other than Muslim religious symbols if forbidden). Most human rights violations affect foreign labor, which I hope will be the next big human right issue in the Arab world (Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan are not much better when it comes to domestic labor issues).

What we lack, dear MINA is for Human rights, the universal ones, not the ones equivocated by palace scholars, to become natural values of Arab societies. This is why I get offended by those who accept the suspension of human rights of Syrians under the claims that such is needed to resist Israel and the US. It is utter B.S. and Assad and his gang thrive on this fake resistance and any liberal, freedom lover would be a cynical hypocrite to claim supporting the rights of Palestinians and at the same time support those who are denying Syrians their basic human rights using some of the most violent and atrocious means. Their time is up. It should have been right after June 5, 1967.

ANNIE
You are most gracious. Thank you.

With international protection and Turkish support, FOM prepare to establish a Syrian Benghazi in jabal Azzawiya

2011/09/12
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=32740

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#405

OK Ann, you win! (Competing against yourself).

A 60-paragraph data dump.

Among other things, your indiscriminate postings indicate a poor understanding of issues.

For sure you don’t even read that stuff yourself before you dump it. (You wouldn’t have time in any case, with your nonstop frenzied cutting and pasting off the internet. When do you find time to go to the bathroom?)

There are sites where commentators are required to post only links not articles. How about it, moderator?

Deputy Observor of the Syrian MB: The time for Dialogue with the regime has passed.
Our political vision for New Syria was finalised in 2004 and falls in 130 page document.!

Muhammad Daf3allah
2011/09/12
http://www.sooryoon.net/?p=32793

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Ann

Thanks for your posts. They are very informative as they tackle the whole region where events are interrelated.

NEWS NEWS …
Very good news, Bothina Shaaban confirming that only 700 protesters died forever, the other “1900” died protesters will be resurrected as soon as possible with new decree form Assad….

Darryl

“My point, the ME only teaches sanitized history and bad history should be taught just as well, and then move on”

Ah, excellent. So what you’re saying is that you’d like history to be taught in an intellectually open and honest way, where there are no taboos and no sacred cows?

Splendid sentiments. I’d go even further and demand that intellectual honesty and frankness not just be applied to the educational sphere, but to discussions of all political, economical, and social matters.

See, I want to be able to tell people that the Baath has been an abject failure, that for 40 years all it did was enrich a few Alawites and some Sunni lackeys, that socially the Alawites are committing self suicide by allowing themselves to be pawns in the regime’s murderous plans. I’d like to say all this, and so much more.

Frankly, I don’t think the Alawites will ever be ready for a society where frank, intellectually honest discussion is permitted. Everything taught in Syrian schools today is sanitized to a greater degree than ever existed under Stalinism. There are so many sacred cows to the Baathists, they might as well make Hinduism the official religion of their party.

this is very big news:

3 prominent Alawi clerics speak out against Assad’s regime:

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http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/12/166476.html

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Aboud, refer to newfolder’s post. Maybe the alawites won’t commit social suicide

” 408. Darryl said:

Western civilization placed their dirty laundry in the open by teaching good and bad history because people learn from history not just mistakes. The Arabic speaking people only learn from mistakes because only the sanitized history is taught. Whether you choose to believe or not, the current injustices caused by the revolutions in Syria, Libya and other places has been impacted by the lack of teaching proper history to produce people first.”

Many in the West still support the imperialistic foreign policies of their governments and support a sanitized history. Witness the millions of American whites who to this day, support the Confederacy or those who lionise the founding fathers. Does the Israeli government, which is considered “Western”, teach how it expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in it’s schools? I don’t give a damn about your peace of mind if it means the slaughter of tens of thousands of Syrian Sunnis. Do you honestly think that Bashar won’t fall?

This is what the Revolution in Syria is all about: (Demonstrators chanting)… SECTARIAN HATRED….
“the religion of Mohammed is all about Pride and the religion of Jesus is all about Debauchery and immorality”

http://youtu.be/04HnPPZh1bQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m3h6oAJyVCs

Alan Little from BBC, has this report about the detainee in Syria. This brutal regime is unstoppable, the torture and indiscriminate killings is their expertise.

After listening to this report, I can only wish that armed resistance will begin. There is no escalation by the regime in how it deals with any opposition, but the sheer evidence of brutal force on Assad’s victim is appalling.

If we as Syrians are divided, if we Syrians are denying what we are seeing and hearing, why will anyone come to our rescue?

For humanity sake, for the sake of our people, let us put our differences aside, our past aside, and say in one voice: enough is enough!

I plead with anyone who has power to stop this bloodbath. Debating will not stop the killings, unity will.

Martyr Muhammad Nour AlYousef.
– The upper chest bears a linear black mark suggesting an electrecution burn by a cable.
– Could anyone tell whether the incisions might have been made postmortem?
This video needs to be examined by a phorensic expert in order to probe the psossibility of illegal organ harvesting.

AlFati7a upon his soul,
May God bless his family with solace and empower them with patience.

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Dear Khaled Tlass

Thank you!

Kremlin firmly opposes UN sanctions on Syria – 2 hours ago

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gTSoe1b-rh5KcYz8bKfX6rVP1tyA?docId=877e39daa3174e52930d78492665e248

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Monday that a United Nations resolution on Syria should send a signal both to its government and the opposition and must not contain sanctions.

Medvedev, who spoke after talks with British Prime Minister David Cameron, said Russia and Britain continue to disagree on Syria. Russia has opposed a draft U.N. resolution backed by European nations and the U.S. that would impose an arms embargo and other sanctions on Syria.

Medvedev said that Moscow believes that any U.N. resolution on Syria must be aimed at both the government and the opposition.

“Russia proceeds from the assumption that it’s necessary to approve a resolution on Syria that will be tough, but well balanced at the same time that would address both parties to the conflict — President Bashar Assad’s government and the opposition,” Medvedev said. “Only in that case could it be successful.”

Medvedev added that Moscow believes there is no need to introduce new U.N. sanctions against Syria in addition to the U.S. and the EU sanctions already in place.

“The resolution must be tough, but it mustn’t automatically involve sanctions,” he said. “There is absolutely no need now for any additional pressure.”

Medvedev and other Russian officials have criticized Syrian authorities for using excessive force in trying to quash opposition protests but warned the West against trying to emulate the Libyan experience, in which NATO helped rebel forces drive longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi from the capital Tripoli.

Medvedev’s statement came as a Kremlin envoy for the region, Mikhail Margelov, met with Assad’s adviser Buthaina Shaaban. Margelov said that Russia will send a delegation of lawmakers to Syria to help establish a dialogue between the government and the opposition.

“We don’t want the Libyan scenario to be repeated in Syria,” said Margelov, who met last week with a Syrian opposition delegation.

Shaaban said that about 700 soldiers and police have died in the unrest that has swept Syria and approximately the same number of people have been killed on the opposition side. She rejected the death toll of at least 2,600 given Monday by U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay.

Russian delegation to visit Syria for mediation on crisis

2011-09-12 18:22:15

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-09/12/c_131134100.htm

MOSCOW, Sept. 12 (Xinhua) — Russia does not want to see the repeat of a Libya scenario in Syria and will send a delegation of senators to Syria “in the nearest future” for mediation over its current crisis, a senior Russian official said on Monday.

After meeting with Syrian official delegation, Mikhail Margelov, head of the Russian Federation Council Committee on International Affairs, told reporters that Deputy Speaker of the Federation Council Ilyas Umakhanov will lead the “fact-finding” delegation.

“It is important for Russia to help the authorities and the opposition (in Syria) begin a dialogue,” Margelov said.

Echoing Margelov, Umakhanov said that Russia intends to prevent any possible foreign military interference in Syria.

He added the two sides had discussed during Monday’s meeting many issues, the most important one of which is to start a domestic political dialogue without foreign interference.

Moscow has repeatedly stressed that the crisis in Syria could only be resolved by its own people.

Related:
West shouldn’t make Syria another Libya: Medvedev

MOSCOW, Sept. 9 (Xinhua) — Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said the West-led operation in Libya has gone beyond the UN mandate and Moscow does not want a repeat of such a scenario in Syria.

“The situation in Libya has changed,” Medvedev told Euronews in an interview broadcast Friday. “Even so, we believe the mandate from Libya Resolution 1973 was exceeded.” Full Story

AL chief rejects foreign intervention in Syria

DAMASCUS, Sept. 10 (Xinhua) — The Arab League chief voiced Saturday concerns about Syria’s security and stability and expressed rejection of all kinds of foreign intervention in its internal affairs.

During a meeting held in Damascus with Syrian President Bashar Assad, Nabil al-Arabi said the Arab League would never be a ” passage for undertaking any anti-Arab country decision.” Full Story

last statement by Giath Mattar, an activist killed by Security forces:

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*** BOUTHAINA SHAABAN – INDEPENDENT LIBERATED SYRIAN WOMAN ***

Damascus rules out repetition of Libyan scenario in Syria

12/09/2011

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110912/166781858.html

Syria’s presidential advisor for politics and media Bouthaina Shaaban on Monday ruled out the possibility that Syrian unrest would develop in similarity to the Libyan scenario.

Syria’s presidential advisor for politics and media Bouthaina Shaaban on Monday ruled out the possibility that Syrian unrest would develop in similarity to the Libyan scenario.

“This [the repetition of the Libyan scenario] is impossible and will never happen,” Shaaban said at a press conference in Moscow. “People have received a lesson from the Libyan events. This won’t reoccur.”

She said the Syrian leadership appreciates Russia’s role in mitigating the tensions in the country. “We highly appreciate Russia’s position in quelling this situation. It is different from the position of many Arab countries…that lacks logic,” she said.

Senators from Russia’s upper house are set to visit Syria in an effort to ease political tensions there.

“The main purpose of the visit is to go to Damascus and meet with the Syrian leadership, and also to tour the areas where protests are taking place,” Mikhail Margelov, head of the Federation Council international affairs committee, said.

Moscow favors a political solution to the six-month confrontation between the Syrian authorities and the opposition while the United States and the European Union have called on President Bashar Al-Assad to quit.

Margelov said the Russian delegation would seek to start a dialogue between the conflicting sides in Syria to prevent armed confrontation and international interference in the situation.

Shaaban thanked Russia for its efforts to tame the crisis and give a start to peaceful negotiations.

Syria Sham FM 92.3 On The WEB

Great Music!

http://tunein.com/station/?stationId=88156

Enjoy!

Ann, you are adamant on annoying everyone. Here is a link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah_-LcyXc1k&feature=player_embedded

It is the story of a traitor, our traitor, it is the story of a family, that is shameless in their policies, they have the audacity to state, loud and clear, that the only side that worth supporting is their sweet self family.

If you ascribe to them, I pity you. This treasonous family has caused so much death and destruction, it had served its masters for so long, and if they have no shame, it time we all open our eyes, to what we knew all along, and pushed aside, for fear, retribution….complacency, we were all along. Shame on us.

If it was not for Hizbullah’s victory in 2006, junior will not be able to garner the support we voluntarily gave him, we were naive.

I am the first to admit my naivete.

Syria, Lebanon coordinated to fight weapon smuggling: president

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/Sep-12/148557-lebanons-defense-minister-meets-with-syrias-assad.ashx

Assad praised the efforts of the Lebanese army and its coordination with its Syrian counterpart in controlling the Syria-Lebanon border. The president said such efforts had succeeded in thwarting many arms smuggling operations that targeted security and stability in both countries, the Syrian state news agency said.

Media reports have surfaced in recent months of weapons being smuggled from Lebanon to Syria, implying that elements in Lebanon have been supporting the uprising over the border. On April 13, Future Movement MP Jamal Jarrah was accused by Syria of financing and supplying arms to protesters there. Jarrah has denied the allegation.

Ann

I suspect you and Beaware are the same person. Can you bring him back to life again. Beaware’s style and articles selection were better.

I do not know about the rest but I skip Ann comments,they are worthless,and never tell the truth, she is Buthaina Shaaban.

ann is such a tedious old gasbag. All those long, dull articles she posts. Someone should tell her that a piece doesn’t need to be eternal to be immortal….

Syria offers nuclear cooperation, IAEA says – 09/12/2011 19:06

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=237692

VIENNA – Syria has offered to cooperate with a UN nuclear watchdog probe into a suspected reactor site after years of stonewalling, and a meeting on the issue has been proposed for October, the Vienna-based agency’s head said on Monday.

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) chief Yukiya Amano said he was hoping to get “full information” about the desert site of Dair Alzour, which was bombed by Israel in 2007.

Western diplomats have expressed caution about previous offers of cooperation from Damascus.

US intelligence reports have said the Dair Alzour complex was a nascent, North Korean-designed reactor intended to produce plutonium for atomic weaponry, before Israeli warplanes reduced it to rubble.

…

Peace4syria

or should I say Spreadinglies4syria … everyone who listens to that video will hear clearly the demonstrators shouting
“the religion of Mohammad is all about pride, the religion of Jesus is all about PRIDE” the two phrases are identical with Mohammad and Jesus being used interchangeably.

Anyways, that video is unlisted with only 4 views, and looking at your nickname and comparing it to that of the uploader it’s quite obvious that you’re the “mastermind” behind this video … I heard Al-Dounia are hiring, you should submit your work you’ll land the job instantly. 😉

I still think Ramadan may have broken the back of the regime but the damage is yet to become apparant. The regime was worried of the arrival of Ramadan and must have experienced a lot of fear and expended a huge amount of nervous energy during the month.

It wasnt only the constant physical protests it had to face. There was also the spiritual aspect. Remember, the prayer of the oppressed is very powerful and in Ramadan the prayers were heightened, in greater frequency and will have been of considerably greater potency.

The damage may have been done. Are we waiting for the straw that will break the camels back?

Ann,

keep them coming, people who do not like her notes can skip them, the time for bulling in Syria no matter where it is coming from is over .

Dear all:

Please find my latest article that I wrote in Arabic with the title:

“?????? ?????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ????????”

http://haytham-khoury3.blogspot.com/

Your opinion is very appreciated.

*** MORE FROM BOUTHAINA SHAABAN – NOT A SUBSERVIENT WOMAN ***

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/198771.html

Bouthaina Shaaban on Libya, “The repetition of the Libyan scenario is impossible in Syria and will never happen, The people have received a lesson from the Libyan events. This won’t reoccur.”

Someone should take that woman aside and slap her face…

From european online-newspapers…make your own opinionforming

If you are interested in a french analyse by Alain Gresh:
Où en est le réveil arabe (II)? Bahreïn, Yémen, Syrie
http://blog.mondediplo.net/2011-09-12-Ou-en-est-le-reveil-arabe-II-Bahrein-Yemen-Syrie

And something about the american „war against terrorisme“:
Wir haben den Feind nie verstanden
http://bazonline.ch/ausland/amerika/Wir-haben-den-Feind-nie-verstanden/story/25864111

“*** BOUTHAINA SHAABAN – INDEPENDENT LIBERATED SYRIAN WOMAN ***”
Indeed. Liberated from morality and the independent mouthpiece of a war criminal. Something to be proud of.

Woodward: It’s Clear From His New Book, Cheney Didn’t Learn From Iraq

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/09/12/140403109/woodward-its-clear-from-his-new-book-cheney-didnt-learn-from-iraq

Woodward zeroes in on Cheney’s insistence that the administration bomb a nuclear reactor discovered in Syria in 2007.

What Woodward argues is that a key lesson from Sept. 11 is that intelligence should be “rigorously” tested, and the fact that Cheney wanted to bomb a reactor when intelligence officers were telling them they had “low confidence” that it was part of a weapons program means Cheney “has not fully absorbed that lesson.”

Bush decided not to bomb the reactor and Woodward writes that in his own memoir he discussed the episode:

“Mike [Hayden]’s report clarified my decision,” Bush wrote, adding that he called then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who wanted the United States to destroy the reactor. Bush says he told Olmert, “I cannot justify an attack on a sovereign nation unless my intelligence agencies stand up and say it’s a weapons program.”

Bush didn’t reveal, however, that his vice president wanted a military strike in the face of “low confidence” intelligence that the reactor was part of a nuclear weapons program. Cheney said he wanted the United States to commit an act of war to send a message, demonstrate seriousness and enhance credibility — a frightening prospect given the doubts.

“*** MORE FROM BOUTHAINA SHAABAN – NOT A SUBSERVIENT WOMAN ***”
Yes. She does not obey her creator, but she is subservient to the evil people ruling Syria.

Report: Turkey to defuse Israeli Navy weapons

Turkish newspaper claims Ankara ready to deploy three warships to Mediterranean Sea; instructs them to intercept Israeli navy vessels in international waters, neutralize their weapons system

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4121396,00.html

While Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is scheduled to arrive in Egypt for a historic visit, daily newspaper Sabah on Monday reported that the Turkish Navy is preparing to deploy three warships in the Mediterranean Sea, in order to “safeguard the freedom of navigation.”

According to a report, Turkish navy echelons decided that if one of its ships crosses paths with an Israeli vessel outside of the latter’s territorial waters, it will be instructed to come within 100 meters of the ship and neutralize its weapons system.

Another re-visit right back to the beginning.

Bashar al-Assad’s views on the Egyptian and Tunisian Protests

02/02/2011
By Adel Al Toraifi

In an extremely defiant interview that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad gave to the Wall Street Journal (31st January 2011), al-Assad spoke frankly about a series of demonstrations and protests taking place in a number of Arab countries, saying: “If you didn’t see the need for reform before what happened in Egypt and Tunisia, it is too late to do any reform.”

(Read more) :

http://asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=24007

*** ‘bibi DOWN ON HIS KNEES! ***

Israel Fears Complete Isolation – 09/12/2011

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,785845,00.html

* On Sept. 1, pro-Palestinian activists in London interrupted a performance by the Israeli Symphony Orchesta so vehemently that the BBC had to break off its broadcast of the concert for the first time in its history.