It looks that contrary to JL expectations, the Aleppo war is far from ending militarily. That may explain the eagerness of both side for a ceasefire as a preliminary to negotiations on ending the violence. Yet the Islamists rejected that, as it means their role will be over, they will continue with violent acts.

Just reported on Syrian TV a car bomb in Daf A Shok, in the suburb of Damascus killing more innocents.

Zoo you stupid sectarian Alawite Assadist! Keep giving us your drivel about regime fake bombs. Look, you are talking to no one because what really matters is the opposition that will eventually wipe you lot out.

Personally Assad has no choice. Genuine cease fire and the country is flooded with demonstrations, and continue this over the next number of years and you lot will be wiped out!

Zoo just send me your CV so I can see if we can use you as the next gimp for perverted gorillas in in free Syria’s new zoo.

52. Syrian Natonalist Party said:

Chill out Landis, some kid pulling your leg, stop being a guppies Alciada douche bag. Their terrorists can’t win, they are too few in numbers and the people are not with them, in fact, they are terrified of them Mossad/ALCIADA Islamic Terrorists. They will turn them in when exposed and Syrian Army will liquidate them slowly but surely. They have no support on the ground and neither of the majority Sunnis (THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE). They looked upon as Zionist sent foreign terrorists. How they can hold any ground for lengthy time period, not possible. You see, if this was not a Zionist driven campaign to dismember Syria, they would have used force as negotiating tool to extract political concession from the regime. Assad, knew, that this is not what they after, so he is not offering any serious negotiation or concessions, reforms, or what have you, he is fighting to save Syria and millions of Sunni’s and minorities from the Zionist slaughter house, hundred more Deir Yassi, Sabra and Shatilla by drugged, mentally altered Moslem Terrorists.

Hot debate. What do you think? 107 11
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October 25th, 2012, 4:46 pm

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Landis, received several emails contesting the “less than 20,000” for an overall number of Freedom Fighters linked to native people, Jihadis linked to Alqaida, amd Islamic Terrorists linked to Syria’s enemies that was mentioned before in comments. Correction: The entire number of those up in arm against the Secular Syrian Nation, within Syria, is less than 5000 in total.

The Spread of Instability from Syria to Lebanon

Stratfor Vice President of Global Analysis Reva Bhalla discusses the recent tension rising in Lebanon and its relationship with Syria.
For more analysis, visit: http://www.Stratfor.com

Jarthouma

I hope that you “wipe” yourself out well after your diarrhea of hateful sectarian insults.

LOL> Chanaged my mind. Me too observing cease fire here.

Tara

For you info, it was reported by the Syrian news that the mosque qualified as ‘undefined’ by western media is al-Afram Mosque in Mhajrine, Damascus

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http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/russia-war-joumblatt-pb-440518787.htm

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Eh Zoo I hope we don’t have a cease fire and I hope your stupid duck god refuses any negotiation because I want a clean finish. In the long term our numbers will make you satanic Assadists a curiosity for some future evolutionist, an extinct subhuman aberration.

Hariri jr in his parisian palace is fulminating…

Hariri to Jumblat: Congratulations on Your Decision to Stay in Syrian-Iranian Alliance

by Naharnet Newsdesk 20 hours ago
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/58331-hariri-to-jumblat-congratulations-on-your-decision-to-stay-in-syrian-iranian-alliance

…
Earlier during the interview, Jumblat revealed that Hariri had telephoned him and asked him to withdraw his ministers from the government.

“Hariri telephoned me and asked me to resign and I told him that I won’t resign. He said the Sunnis are being killed and I told him that Wissam al-Hasan is the martyr of Lebanon and that I won’t subject the country to vacuum. I also said other things and he was dismayed by my remarks,” Jumblat said.

“May God forgive you Walid Bek. You understand stability as staying in the Syrian-Iranian alliance, so congratulations,” Hariri tweeted.

Jumblat, for his part, said, “May God forgive him about all these remarks.”

Why are you people even discussing anything with these Assadists ? They are to be insulted and killed. Ok, if we capture them we can keep them alive and frustrate them by asking them to count to ten

Jarthouma

Who cares what you want? About cleanliness maybe you should start by changing your stained pampers.

Should we fear the Muslim Brotherhood?

20/10/2012
By Osman Mirghani
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=2&id=31520

It seems that the Brotherhood do not believe that they have completely dominated power unless they succeed in controlling the judiciary, whether by means of appointment or resignations, or through intimidation or inciting popular unrest.
The objective of this is to ensure that the judiciary does not serve either as an obstacle to the Brotherhood decisions, or an arena of conflict with those who oppose the programs the Brotherhood is seeking to implement.

The judiciary will not be the sole battlefield in the forthcoming period because the Brotherhood has also revealed that they are keeping an eye on the media. They have already gotten involved in longstanding contention with the media and have taken some steps to control it under the pretext of “correcting” it
..
Ever since the eruption of the Arab Spring revolutions, the Islamists’ movements actions have justified concern, including amongst those who once supported the Islamists being granted an opportunity on the political scene so that we can truly examine their intentions and slogans.

What is happening in Egypt will contribute enormously to our judgment whether the Islamists can coexist with democracy and respect its main principles regarding the peaceful transition of power via elections, not to mention respect freedom of opinion and expression, political pluralism and human rights, or whether they are just waiting for an opportunity to establish autocratic regimes of their own.

Freedom of speech, for some, means the right to say “damak halal”
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/56569/Egypt/Politics-/Alexandria-Salafists-open-fire-on-liberals,-striki.aspx

Good article on the Arab Spring in NYB
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/08/not-revolution/?pagination=false

Zoo, typical duck god worshiper,

Talks about cleanliness lol! When we capture you and stick you in a cave with your fellow tattooed HIV infected stinking vermin Shabiha, you can tell us about the etiquettes of hygiene

By the way have you got an misspelt Ali is our Lord Tattoes ? Idiot !

Eid Mubarak to all observing the occasion.

Jim GM8LFB?@GM8LFB

Damascus residents : See state TV camera crew setting up. Run like hell ! #bomb

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/jim-gm8lfb%e2%80%8fgm8lfb-damascus-residents-see-state-tv-camera/

Chemical Weapons Spurred Benghazi Raid – Sent to Turkey for Syrian False Flag Atrocity?
http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/chemical-weapons-spurred-benghazi-raid-sent-to-turkey-for-syrian-false-flag-atrocity/24362/
Numerous public servants of the United States are, in effect, taking up where Russia has left off, in an attempt to keep America and NATO from initiating an unjust and immoral war in Syria — a war that could bring about World War III. They are not only leaking documents, they are informing numerous journalists, both professional and amateur, of the plans and actions of the CIA in Benghazi regarding the Libya’s Qaddafi regime stockpile of chemical weapons and MANPAD rockets.

The integrity of the people involved in this reporting and their numerous, though undisclosed sources have become mutually corroborative. It is assessed as follows.

These are the reports of which we may now be highly confident:

Ambassador Christopher Stevens and our other killed and wounded individuals were among numerous covert operations personnel engaged in the retrieval of these chemical and rocket weapons, perhaps along with other military grade weapons systems.
They have been in process of delivering them to Turkey by sea.
Russia discovered this, as one might expect.
Russia and Iran were behind the Benghazi raid, using trained Ansar al-Sharia commandos, a group identifying itself as al Qaeda in Libya
These are the reports of which we may now be very concerned:

Some of this chemical weaponry was or is to be used by the Turks, perhaps with the assistance of American special ops personnel, to fire upon some of the al Qaeda warriors in Syria who have been joining with Syrian rebels fighting Assad.
This was to be a false flag attack blamed on the Assad regime, to concoct the inception of military engagement in Syria by NATO forces.
Barack Obama has been directly involved in these plans, on a hands-on basis.
The Innocence of Muslims film, nearly unknown by 9-11-12, was planned by contingency, to be declared the reason for any attacks upon the CIA’s Benghazi operations that could be described as riotous.
And these reports on their surface may seem to be misinformation of disinformation, but they should also be investigated:

That the Obama administration intended for Ambassador Stevens to be kidnapped by Ansar al-Sharia
That it was planned for him to be traded back into U.S. custody, for the Blind Sheik.
Doug Hagmann reports below and lays out information gained by his informant in U.S. Intelligence.This begins at 65 minutes and lasts through the 109 minute mark:

“Addendum: (11:00 am EST) A high rebel commander claims that the government troops in Aleppo do not exceed 6,000. The Shabiha are 2,000 and rebel troops are close to 40,000. He says the 70,000 number I had published earlier was an exaggeration. This commander is close to the top of the FSA command and planning.”

6.000 government troops in Aleppo manahed to kick out 40.000 or even 70.000 rebelles out of Ashrafia and Al-Syriaan in few hours.

How long its going to take untill Aleppo falls to the rebelles 10 day, 10 months, 10 years or 100. years.
What a desaster for the rebelles and for Mr. JL

Thanks for yesterdays posting Mr. landis, it looks like a great fun today.

” 16. Uzair8 said:

Eid Mubarak to all observing the occasion.”

You should have wished Eid Mubarak to those who are suffering.

Its not an occasion, its a tragedy.

Dear Mr. Landis.

The shockwaves of your BOMBs and anti-Aircraft Missiles

https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=15984

have reached Lebanon.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/assad/landis-drops-bomb-0

How Aleppo’s 2.5 million citizens survive.

Article: Buying bread and dodging snipers: 7 vignettes of life in war-torn Aleppo

Excerpt:

“Bashar al-Assad doesn’t have an army, only snipers, artillery, and airplanes,” says Abu Haidar.

Yet with these tools of war, Assad has defined lives of misery for those who remain in this contested city.

Weping has become a fact of life in Aleppo. So has the constant sound of explosions, which reverberate deeply through the psyche of Syria’s second city, an economic hub, control of which is critical to the final direction of this 20-month uprising against Assad’s rule.

Trash piles ever higher on every street, as quickly as the nationwide death toll, which the UN estimates to be 20,000; activists number more than 35,000 dead. Yet in this crucible of a population under extreme stress, life goes on: vegetables are bought and sold, coffee is boiled and served slow, kebabs are roasted over coals, children play games in narrow alleys.

While dodging snipers, citizens also walk and shop, take taxis, and pray that the water, the electricity, the phones won’t be cut to their neighborhoods. And there can be dark humor – something that Iraqis perfected in the past decade – that helps people here cope.

Every day, the vast majority of Aleppo’s 2.5 million citizens who remain live to see the next sunrise. How do they do it?

(Aticle continues with case histories

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1026/Buying-bread-and-dodging-snipers-7-vignettes-of-life-in-war-torn-Aleppo/Introduction)

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Uzair8,

Seconding,

Eid Mubarak to all observing the occasion.

And qualifying,

But not to the heretic pin head idiot and those heretics who keep defending and worshiping him.

Lebanese victims:
http://rt.com/programs/crosstalk/lebanese-war-lebanon-porter/

ZOO and other Putin fans, you better hide fast,
recognize the plates?

How to create a no-fly zone including Aleppo by only using Turkish air power to enforce it. The question is: Will Turkey do it as there is no guarantee of the outcome?

Intervening in Syria the right way

By François Heisbourg, Published: October 25
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/intervening-in-syria-the-right-way/2012/10/25/d09a1076-1eb6-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_story.html

Successful military interventions are sufficiently rare as to induce utmost caution when contemplating the use of force in Syria, a country as populous as Iraq or Afghanistan and no less divided along religious and ethnic lines. Yet the legal, political, strategic and military conditions for an international operation are being fulfilled, which is in turn creating an opportunity to bring down Bashar al-Assad’s bloody dictatorship and its regionally destabilizing repression.
…..
In military terms, this would be achieved by establishing a 50-mile no-fly zone along the Turkish-Syrian border. No allied aircraft would need to fly in Syrian airspace, as air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles fired from Turkish airspace and territory would have the necessary range to shoot down Syrian bombers or helicopters in the exclusion zone. Allied AWACS radar aircraft, operating well out of range of Syria’s extensive air defenses, would provide full real-time information on any regime aircraft approaching the no-fly zone.

The zone would include Aleppo, which means the regime’s bombardment of Syria’s largest city would cease. Its fall, along with unimpeded access to logistical support from Turkey, would give the insurgency the upper hand.

And with no boots on the ground, this intervention would not require an exit strategy.
…
Of course, even an intervention of the kind suggested here won’t guarantee a positive and stable outcome in Syria, any more than the overthrow of Moammar Gaddafi meant that milk and honey were to flow in Libya. But the alternatives are worse. We also know that a heavy “boots on the ground” approach — as in Iraq or Afghanistan — is to be strenuously avoided.

Note Joshua Landis intervention in the article

Syria’s Cease-Fire: A Peace Process for Pessimists
By Tony KaronOct. 26, 2012

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/10/26/syrias-cease-fire-a-peace-process-for-pessimists/#ixzz2ARYPy98L

….
But the temporary truce proposed by U.N. special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, planned to coincide with this weekend’s ‘Id al-Adha Muslim holiday, was less a naive attempt to broker a peace for which neither side is ready, than it was an attempt to lay down a marker for a future mechanism to end the war when one or both sides see no gain in fighting on. The veteran Algerian diplomat could take some small consolation in the fact that even though they clearly had no intention of implementing the agreement, both sides felt obliged to agree to his plan rather than be seen saying no to the U.N. Instead, each side will seek to blame the other for thwarting Brahimi’s mission.
…
“Brahimi is not making the same mistake as his predecessor in the mediator’s role, Kofi Annan, in pretending he can solve the conflict anytime soon,” says Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma. “Instead, he’s establishing himself as a go-between, knocking on the doors of all the players inside Syria and outside, looking for the lowest common denominators that can change the dynamic, without making optimistic claims. And the fact that he’s got the major actors saying yes to a cease-fire even when we all know they mean no is a sign that the Syrian parties remain concerned to maintain international backing.”

Zoo,

First thug and wife’s display of happy normal and western lifestyle was advised by the expensive PR firm Asma hired to bolster her husband’s image in the western media to de-isolate him, and was pretty damn successful until…..the children of Daraa decided to show us the ugly face of the couple.

The other ME rulers did not need a western media boost..

#29 Tara

Money is the most efficient booster.
Otherwise how would you explain that Qatar where absolutely no one speaks french is now part of the “Francophonie.”

Maybe Moza’s love for french fashion and XL Pizza for french wine?

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http://syrianncb.org/2012/10/26/%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%82-%D8%AA%D8%B8%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D9%8A/
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TARA

There are also significant generational differences between ME leaders as well. I think you’ll find photos of the head of Jordan and his wife being very casual and friendly together, but not the Mubaraks or Ben Alis.

30. zoo
Moza belongs into the wax museum, she looks soooo waxed.

Russia calls for preventing supply of air defence systems to Syria
MOSCOW, October 26 (Itar-Tass) — Russia calls on all countries that are involved in supplying arms to Syria to prevent portable air defence systems from getting into hands of armed formations, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said on Friday.
“Arms get into hands of jihadists and extremists and this is very dangerous,” he said adding that Russia keeps a close watch on how the situation in Syria develops.
In this respect Lukashevich reiterated the words of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who said “the region is flooded with arms.”
“We call on all countries, which in one way or other are involved in supplying arms to Syria and feeding armed formations, to do their utmost to prevent portable air defence systems from getting into hands of those who openly warned they plan to shoot down civil aircraft,” he said.

Zoo

Money can buy you lots of things but can’t buy you genuine social acceptance. Qatar prince needs to undergo bariatric surgery and get rid of the dishdasha first then will talk. Don’t get me wrong. I think very highly of the Arab nationalism of the Amir and of HBJ but no one can deny the impact of the “look”.

Remember when Bashar first came to power. We were all deceived by the “look”. Most Syrians accepted him despite his criminals lineage. We all hoped that he was different. We all gave him a first and a second chance. Syrians were happy with his youth, his western education, with what we thought his learned western values. They were also happy with Asma “alleged” image of beautiful young smart and best of all what we thoughts her western values of freedom and liberty that she could potentially bring to the
table…but..the looks were so deceptive…and here we are. Bashar is a psychopath criminal and Asma is just “hungry”. The brutality this couple showing, Syria has never seen in its long long history.

Questions to Aron Lund:

Did Kurds ever really claim to be “neutral” or to have a pact with the army?

I would be very surprised, whatever their leaders might say, if they don’t have a plan to get autonomy in Syria (like that of Northern Iraq, or “Southern Kurdistan” as they prefer), and I fail to believe the Syrian regime would allow such a thing.

Do you have some special Kurdish contacts or is that just your interpretation?

Syrialover

You are absolutely right. There is generational difference also body mass index difference. Ancient fat rulers will not walk the streets holding hands with wives. It just does not look good.

I did not understand what The Hamster meant with recognize the plates? Can someone please explain?

TARA,
Russian License Plates…This morning, right after Eid Prayer, Tahrir Party guys in the middle of Putin’s Russia.

TARA,

The head of Dubai Sheikh Maktoum cuts a far more dashing figure than Bashar and is also a super fit sportsman.

His wife Princess Haya from Jordan is also a much higher class act than Asma, believe it.

She’s similar in age to Mrs A, but she’s prettier, warmer and more intelligent-looking, with honors degrees from Oxford. Plus she’s an Olympic athlete (equestrian) and a respected international humanitarian.

Haya also has more strategic connections than Asma. Her brother is married to the journalist daughter of UN special envoy Lakhdar Brahimi.

(Haya and her brother are the only children of King Hassan’s wife Queen Alia, who died in an aircraft crash.)

HAMSTER,

Makes me think of the title of that Pussy Riot hit song “Putin wet his pants.”

Tweet from Maysaloon:

“The exile of Rifaat in the eighties emptied Syria’s banks. The exile of the regime will cost Syrians dearly. That is their parting gift.” (http://twitter.com/maysaloon)

COMMENT: I wonder how many gold bars Bushra Assad Shawkat had in her luggage (copying Tunisia’s notorious Mrs Ben Ali who went to the bank and loaded up big on her way to the airport when flying off to exile)

What were they doing?  Spying on their fellow Syrians?

Saudi Arabia expels workers at Syrian consulate
6:41AM BST 26 Oct 2012

“The steps were taken based on the public interest as their conduct … was incompatible with the consular duties associated with their work,” said a Foreign Ministry statement carried by state media, without giving further details.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/9634927/Saudi-Arabia-expels-workers-at-Syrian-consulate.html 

28. zoo said: Note Joshua Landis intervention in the article

Zoo, I’m glad to see that Joshua is now paying some attention to a diplomatic outcome for the Syria conflict. A little progress.

15. Jarthouma

Lol, Syriacomment is finally attracting Salafist lunatics again, perhaps due to Landis’ latest boost of morale to them.

They all seemed to have disappeared once the math password system was implemented…

Then Kurds are just like the rest of us, they are divided into those who support the regime and those who are actively fighting against it. They definitely can not be painted with the same brush. Making sweeping statements about them is very misleading and uninformed..

I am still baffled at the fact that there are still people supporting the Assad regime. I had heard many reasons from friends and family, including:
1- We were doing just fine, now our life is ruined.
2- We don’t know what is going to come after Assad is gone. The devil you know theory.
3- We will be ruled by the ultra conservative Sunni Muslims. Who wants that?
4- We do not want chaos.

Now that Syria is not only figuratively, but literally ruined, number 1 and 4 are no longer logical points to make for the support of the regime, however, points 2 and 3 are still legitimate questions that we are all asking, not only supporters of the regime, but also supporters of the revolution. Are we going to replace one dictator with another who quite possibly could be worse, albeit he is a tough act to follow.
I think that the most pressing task for anyone who will rule Syria after this crises, whether Assad or someone else, is going to be the reconstruction of the country’s infrastructure. Let’s assume that Assad somehow manages to prevail and stay as Syria’s ruler. My question to his supporters is: where do you propose or hope he would get the money from to do just that? Russia, Iran or China? On the other hand, if the other side prevails, we have all the West, but most importantly the Gulf states and Turkey to foot the bill and provide help.
I am trying to argue with those of you who have completely lost their moral compass and are still supporting this murderous regime, to stop doing so from a pure practical perspective. Alas, I know it is not going to work.

37. Humanist

I have some Kurdish contacts, don’t think they’re very special. What I wrote in the post above is mostly drawn from PYD public statements. Check their websites for more.

Famous landmark Aleppo mosque and central neighborhood liberated by FSA

“…Let’s assume that Assad somehow manages to prevail and stay as Syria’s ruler. .”

YOU CAN BET ON THAT, COUNT ON IT.

“..My question to his supporters is: where do you propose or hope
he would get the money from to do just that?

ARAB AND TURKMEN OIL AND GAS RESOURCES. 30% OF OUTPUT REVENUE GOES TO SYRIAN DEVELOPMENT & RECONSTRUCTION FUND, WHERE ELSE FROM. OTHERWISE NOONE GETS ANY OUT.

“…Russia, Iran or China?…”

THEY WILL BE ON THE TAKE, NOT GIVE, THEY ARE THE PRIMARY BENEFECIARY OF CONTRACTS AND FUNDS EARNERS. IN FACT THE ONLY ONES.

“… On the other hand, …”

THAT IS NOT AN OPTION AT ALL. THERE IS NO OTHER HAND.

“…if the other side prevails, we have all the West,..”

THE WEST IS CAPUT, BROKE, WE ARE HEADING TO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT. THEY BEEN ROBING COUNTRIES, KILLING MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS FOR FIST FULL OF DOLLARS. AND NOW THEY REACHED DEAD END. COLLAPSE IS COMING.

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The statement by the Kurdish group DEM-TEV goes on to blame both sides for the dangerous escalation in Kurdish parts of Aleppo.

SHEILA #48,

You put it very well.

But I think the extreme delusions of the Assads (apart fom the obvious paranoid and gradiose delusions)have been part of the virus affecting Syria.

The primitive lack of economic data about the country, and corruption and lack of transparency in both the business and government sectors distorted some people’s perceptions and kept reality hidden and out of mind.

They cling emotionally to the illusion that under Assad it can somehow get to be magically propped up and restored. They are in denial about the rotting floorboards and dirty stench of stagnation and decay that underpinned Assadist Syria, getting worse every year.

On every count it was unsustainable and perched on a time bomb. Either the Assads quit and the country was allowed to breathe and grow up, or you have what is happening today. There is no going back or a third option.

Assadist Syria was built on Big Lies, deception and indifference to reality and consequences. For some people it’s intolerable, even terrifying, to let that go.

#36 Tara

Qatar has far more blood on his hands than Bashar as Qatar is the one who paid the rebels and the foreign criminals, and provided lethal weapons supposedly to defend the Syrians when they were use offensively (More than the third of the victims are regular soldiers of Syria army without counting the victims killed in a crossfire or slaughtered by the Islamists friends of the FSA )
Because Qatar is not killing its own people, so it is not to be blamed, but applauded?
Justice will be done one day in Qatar to punish these criminals who treated the Syrians with contempt like they treat their slave workers in their country.

34. Twisted mind said:

“Moza belongs into the wax museum”

Qatar is so “European” and “Cultured” that they may open a Madame Tussaud Museum and put Moza there as the hostess.

Poll: What do Iranians think about their economy and the nuclear issue?
Posted By Geneive Abdo Thursday, October 25, 2012 – 12:23 P

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/10/25/irans_nuclear_resistance

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On issues regarding the economy and sanctions, 65 percent blamed the worsening economy on sanctions, and only 11 percent said the state of the economy was due to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s incompetence.
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Fifty-nine percent were opposed to stopping enrichment and only 29 percent were in favor.
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If this data accurately reflects public opinion, a few lessons should be drawn: First and foremost, the theory that, when pressured hard enough from the effects of sanctions, Iranians will rise up against the regime, seems implausible. Two, the more Iranians suffer, the more they blame those imposing the sanctions, not their own government. According to Mohseni’s poll, 76 percent had a very unfavorable view of the United States.

This Is Not a Revolution

November 8, 2012
Hussein Agha and Robert Malley

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/08/not-revolution/

Darkness descends upon the Arab world. Waste, death, and destruction attend a fight for a better life. Outsiders compete for influence and settle accounts. The peaceful demonstrations with which this began, the lofty values that inspired them, become distant memories. Elections are festive occasions where political visions are an afterthought. The only consistent program is religious and is stirred by the past. A scramble for power is unleashed, without clear rules, values, or endpoint. It will not stop with regime change or survival. History does not move forward. It slips sideways.
….

Kafranbel

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=419930458060810&set=a.205003959553462.60362.183834915003700&type=1&theater

JOSHUA gave us a link and excerpt to an article in the NY Review of Books.

Later MINA posted it again.

And wait, now ZOO #57 has also just given it to us again.

Oh what a surprise. Looks like ZOOMINA don’t read anybody else or even each other.

JUERGEN #58,

Great! Some of my favorite heroes, those guys in Kafranbel.

Thanks and keep it coming.

AP photographer Manu Brabo on his work in Syria:

“What do you think will be the lasting effects of your time in Syria, and where do you hope to go next?
The effects of my stay in Syria…? It is an experience that has changed me forever as both a professional and as a human being. It is not easy to assimilate the worst aspects of humanity, so much hate, so much blood, so much death… The question I will constantly ask myself until the day I die is ‘how can a leader come to hate so many of his own people?’. How can he want to kill innocent children, women and men? What goes on in the mind of someone like Bashar Al Assad? Are they like that by nature or are they truly sick in the head? I think I’ll never be able to answer those questions.”

http://blogs.thenational.ae/photography/national-view/interview-manu-brabo-photographer-aleppo-syria

Maher Arar: My Rendition & Torture in Syrian Prison Highlights U.S. Reliance on Syria as an Ally

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/6/13/maher_arar_my_rendition_torture_in

Canadian terror suspect tortured in Syria after ‘rendition’ by US

Campaigners have demanded that the Bush administration be held accountable for the illegal seizure of a Canadian citizen who was handed over to Syrian authorities and subsequently tortured.

They said the case of Maher Arar, who was cleared by a Canadian public inquiry of being any threat to that country’s national security, exposed the faults of President Bush’s “war on terror”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/canadian-terror-suspect-tortured-in-syria-after-rendition-by-us-416726.html

These are you heroes:
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? ???? ????? ?????????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??? ??? ???????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???????? “???” ???????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ????? .
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I disagree with the ?? that came from the guy from Bab Touma ,because I still think there are clean people opposed to this dirty regime, but I understand that ?? .
Emotions aside, the only hope for Syria is to maintain a balance of power with deterrent abilities on both sides to prevent a total collapse of the state, a domination by the regime and hopefully improve chances of a political settlement, the regime can not win,that is a done deal, but those islamist thugs should not be allowed to prevail, that is why Joshua’s last call for arming the rebels,who already control a big chunk of Syria, is wrong ( to say the least).

Weird that no one has yet compared this conflict to the civil war in Algeria:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_Civil_War

Similar even down to the massacres conducted by Salafists, which were also blamed on the government.

Habib

Check the archives, the comparison was made numerous times and its proven that Assad had military advisors from the Algerian regime from the beginning of the revolution.

Here an excerpt out of your source: “According to reports by Amnesty International[19] and Human Rights Watch[20] army barracks were stationed within a few hundred meters of the villages, yet did nothing to stop the killings. At about the same time, a number of people claiming to be defectors from the Algerian security services (such as Habib Souaidia), having fled to Western countries, alleged that the security services had themselves committed some of the massacres.”

But I assume you would even endorse Bashar and his bloody regime for a Nobel peace price right?

Happy Eid to all who celebrate it!

Kids enjoy their Eid gifts in Tripoli/ Lebanon. They tell the reporter that they are all keen to use real guns and RPGs. What a childhood! Thanks to uncle Bashar a new generation of shabiha is raised.

http://news.nawaret.com/%D9%85%D9%86%D9%88%D8%B9%D8%A7%D8%AA/%D8%A3%D8%B7%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%B3-%D9%8A%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89-%D8%AE%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%B7-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B3-%D9%81

One could see the eyedoctor visit Eid prayers together with his mufti par excellance. He looked worse than ever, may be he has now sleepless nights?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9635117/Syrian-President-Bashar-al-Assad-attends-Eid-prayers-during-ceasefire.html

Well caught, JUERGEN. I too recall the Algerian comparison featured on this forum several times.

HABIB (#65)stated about the Algeria crisis of the 90s:

“massacres conducted by Salafists, which were also blamed on the government.”

However, the the verdict of countless analysts, witnesses and historians is now:

massacres conducted by the government were blamed on Salafists

(down to army recruits leavng their fake beards behind at their camp sites after massacres)

It’s well written up, with some key Algerian military figures now startng to face justice – see below.

We can expect expect Assad’s links to Algerian advisers and evidence of his interest in the tactic to be among the many dumb and dirty tricks revealed when they clean out his offices.

THE LATEST

Former Algerian Defense Minister’s Indictment for War Crimes in Switzerland

The main source of terrorism during the Algerian civil war was elements of the government itself.

Part 1 http://www.fpif.org/blog/former_algerian_defense_ministers_indictment_for_war_crimes_in_switzerland_part_1

Part 2
http://www.fpif.org/blog/former_algerian_defense_ministers_indictment_for_war_crimes_in_switzerland_part_2

PS Thanks for bringing it up again HABIB.

Syria haters:
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Oh my God these stupid Shabiha! I think the lead they use for their stupid gangster like tattoos has got to their head

Habib, you are a stupid assadist and a Salafi in your eye is anyone who does not think that Assad is the reincarnation of the inglorious Ramseses the second.

I mean that really must help toddler sacrificing maniacs of a militia on the front line. Yeah call my enemies Salafies. Oh how I feel so much better when I slit this babies throat !

You junkies can call us Salafies as much as you like. You know it and I know it that we are going capture Halab soon. You know it and I know it that precious Shabiha villages that you share your genes with will eventually be isolated from Assadist supplies. You know it and I know it that over 10,000 of your vermin (forget the wounded) have been killed. That is probably 20% of your forces. No wonder some Alawites are starting to cause problems. Do you really think that you are going to wipe out the Alawites in Syria for your duck god without any eventual objection ?

52. Ghufran

TEV-DEM is another PKK front. They’re pushing the same line as PYD.

According to Landis, it is the FSA who made it to the rooftops of Aleppo Christians neighborhood in the last few days; according to Le Monde’s catholic networks, it would be the government’s shabbihas.
http://syrie.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/10/27/syriens-chretiens-pour-la-democratie-pleure-le-pere-fadi-haddad/

66. Juergen

So where exactly has anyone in the Algerian government been found guilty? Most credible sources doubt the claims.

But the take home message is, the Algerian government won. And Sunnis massacred Sunnis, no matter which side did it.

Same is happening in Syria.

71. Jarthouma

Lol.

68. Juergen

Lol, those weapons are toys, Salafists in Tripoli give their chidren REAL weapons:

http://youtu.be/3pZrt4VGegI

Nice try, though.

Fisk notes about the Ghannouchi’s video that it had been edited to make it sound worse than it was, and that it was 7 month old..
By the way, Ghannouchi on Algeria:
“I reminded them that the Islamists in Algeria [the Islamic Salvation Front] got 80 per cent of the votes – but that they lost everything because they didn’t read the balance of power correctly. There was a bloodbath, Maybe the ones who lost the election in Algeria had only 20 per cent [of the vote] but they held all the centres of power in the country.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rached-ghannouchi-says-he-doesnt-want-an-islamic-state-in-tunisia-can-he-prove-his-critics-wrong-8225092.html

Dr Landis,
Hope you have noticed how quickly posts about government losing/withdrawing from Aleppo was highlighted in major newspapers lie Guardian, etc. Now that assertions were proved wrong, they wont say a word about it and they stick to “rebels have gained major ground in Aleppo”.
Losing credibility is yours to blame. Selective journalism and bias by their side is expected.

Syrian rebels and Kurdish militiamen clash in Aleppo
Eid truce broken again with at least 22 thought dead after alleged incursion by Syrian rebels into neutral Kurdish districts

guardian.co.uk, Saturday 27 October 2012 08.43 EDT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/27/syrian-rebels-kurds-clash-aleppo

Kurds say the rebels had pledged to stay out of their districts. Kurdish groups have for the most part tried to steer a middle course in the conflict between the rebels and the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Some figures have allied with the rebels, others with Assad, while others have remained neutral.

The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 19 rebels and three Kurdish gunmen were killed in the clash that lasted several hours, the group said. A Kurdish official put the death toll at 10 Kurds, but had no figures for the rebels.

Mohieddine Sheik Ali, head of the Kurdish Yekiti party, told the Associated Press that the clashes broke out after rebels entered Ashrafieh, violating “a gentlemen’s agreement” not to go into Kurdish areas..

He said there are 100,000 Kurds in Ashrafieh and many in the nearby Sheik Maksoud area. Sheik Ali said tens of thousands of Arabs have also fled to these districts from the violence across Aleppo.

“Disagreements between our brothers in the [rebel] Free Syrian Army and the Kurdish Popular Defence Units” led to the clashes, he said.

“The ceasefire collapsed nearly three hours after it went into effect,” said Rami Abdul-Rahman, who heads the observatory. “The only difference is that the fighting is less widespread and the regime has not been using its air force since the ceasefire began.”
,,,,

Oh how I just love the Algerian analogy. Issues that the Shabiha should understand

1- we don’t live on a flat Earth

2- thunder is not caused by the loud yawn of Ali the moon God (ok I will take your theological intricacies into account possibly Ali the sun god)

3- The Algerian Islamists attacked in isolated areas.

4- Their never were mass defections with a sectarian slant from the Army

5- That sectarian slant represents the vast majority of the population

6- You never had volunteers in the population lining up to fight (the Algerian population largely watched from the sidelines)

7- The rebels never and I mean never controlled large areas which includes major population centres like Aleppo. The extent and breadth of the FSA dwarfs anything that FIS accomplished even in its height

8- Most importantly and this is the main reason why they lost. The opposition among the Islamists fought among each other which forces the opposition to disarm

9- The practice among some fanatic Jihadist that targeted civilians and other Islamists (sort of like the demise in Iraq)

Interestingly the majority of the killing and mass extermination was committed by the Algerian junta. Including infiltration and false flag operations

There are so many documented proofs of this ( I have quite a PhDs done on this on my database now. Most research was done by neutral academic human right groups) that only an Assadist Shabih or a young Earth creationist could deny it.

I hope by Allah that the Algerian Junta are next, because they are genuinely a close second to sick bloodthirsty duck sycophants.

Origin of Syrian shells into Turkey unclear, US general says

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/origin-of-syrian-shells-into-turkey-unclear-us-general-says.aspx?pageID=238&nID=33386&NewsCatID=359

It is not clear who is shooting shells from Syria into Turkey, the commander of the U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army, Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling has said, private television channel NTV yesterday.

“We are not sure if these shells are from the Syrian army, from rebels who want to get Turkey involved in the issue or from the PKK [Kurdish Workers’ Party],” he said.
Neither NATO nor U.S. troops want to get involved in the increasingly complex Syrian issue,

Loud mouth Abboud is back…

Has Ibrahimi said anything?  Is he declaring the cease fire a success?  

http://news.yahoo.com/syria-bombards-major-cities-further-undermining-truce-activists-081219942.html

Syria bombards major cities, weakening truce: activists

BEIRUT (Reuters) – Opposition activists in Syria said forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad had renewed their heavy bombardment of major cities on Saturday, further undermining a truce meant to mark the Muslim Eid al-Adha religious holiday.
The bombardment came on the second day of the truce called by international peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, who had hoped to use it to build broader momentum to end the 19-month-old conflict which has killed an estimated 32,000 people.
“The army began firing mortars at 7 a.m. I have counted 15 explosions in one hour and we already have two civilians killed,” said Mohammed Doumany, an activist from the Damascus suburb of Douma, where pockets of rebels are based. “I can’t see any difference from before the truce and now,” he said.
More..

Stupid Assadist duck god love buddy (Zoo) still hasn’t been fed to captured syphilitic starving Assad Shabiha

Please FSA change that thank you

Jarthouma,

Can you please stop the insults and threats?

Alqaida and Islamist terrorists are going to fell any
Vacuum in Syria .
Listen to these revolutionary terrorists celebrating
And singing:
Osama(bin laden) we are your soldiers!!
Why is the world supporting Alqaida in Syria?

Joshua Landis should be careful when asserting events based on rumors from “friends”. His words are immediately interpreted and often deformed because the Western media are more desperate than ever for bad news about the regime that has stood strong and determined for 18 months now, in front of a coalition of confused, disunited and wild enemies.
All the media predictions failed lamentably. They badly need more bad news. They prefer massacres easily attributed to the government rather than suicide bombings, even though they always find an ‘eye witness’ or an ‘activist’ to accuse the government for the bombs too.
Joshua better read carefully Robert Malley article that I posted earlier “This is not a revolution”. It may enlighten him about the ‘revolution’ in Syria and make him more careful about jumping to conclusions.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/08/not-revolution/

The secretly satisfied Western news headline about the truce concluded: “It failed”

The UAE National: ” Syrian Eid truce tested by clashes and bombing”

Phil Sands
Oct 27, 2012

Read more: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-eid-truce-tested-by-clashes-and-bombing#ixzz2AVZPzmtj
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Yes, Abboud or his mate is back, filthier then ever
One wonders what happened to him in the last few months to be so obsessed by STD’s

What makes these terrorists any good to Syria?
Stepping on dead soldier face! Putting ??? pipe in a dead person mouth?
These are the kind of pigs JL is suggesting to give
Heavy weapons?

Turkey in the Syrian Crisis: What Next?

by Veli Sirin • October 26, 2012 at 3:15 am

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3415/turkey-syrian-crisis

But Erdogan is, to many, no more than an impotent, tantrum-prone, and dangerous demagogue – which the Obama administration and other “concerned powers” will not admit. Presumptions that he can act consequently to rescue the Syrian people are mistaken.

Those are the kind of piolets JL is asking to be shot down

???? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????? .
http://www.aksalser.com/?page=view_articles&id=3ef00c09b81f9ee8e6e7f8c7eb28fa9f&ar=4383928

Oil, Uranium, Apocalypse
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2012/10/26/oil-uranium-apocalypse.html

Now the terrorists supporters are believing Aksalser!! They never believed it for the last 18 months befor Qater bought it!

Syrian rebels detain “suspicious” Lebanese journalist
October 27, 2012

Syrian rebels on Saturday said that they arrested Lebanese journalist Fidaa Itani and handed him over to the abductor of the 11 Lebanese pilgrims due to “suspicions” surrounding him, LBC television reported.

“Aazaz’s coordination [committee] in the Syrian Revolution announced the detention of journalist Fidaa Itani who works for LBCI and other media outlets because his [affairs are not harmonious with] the trajectory of the Syrian Revolution and rebels,” read a post on the rebels’ Facebook page.

To read more: http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=451297#ixzz2AVxPhCMx

Zoo

Did you see what Syrian linked? How can you possibly defend the regime after watching it?

Are the Syrian Kurds going to change the power dynamics by moving on the side of the Syrian army to fight the rebels who showed that they are arrogant and untrustworthy?

Syrian rebels and Kurdish militiamen clash in Aleppo

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/27/syrian-rebels-kurds-clash-aleppo?newsfeed=true

Saturday 27 October 2012 13.43 BST

At least 22 people were killed in clashes between Syrian rebels and Kurdish militia men in Aleppo, Syria’s largest city.

The fighting broke out despite a truce brokered in honour of the Muslim festival Eid al-Adha, which was also broken in other areas of Syria with sporadic bombings and clashes.

The clashes occurred after rebels pushed into largely Kurdish and Christian areas that have remained relatively quiet during the three-month battle for the city.

Kurds say the rebels had pledged to stay out of their districts. Kurdish groups have for the most part tried to steer a middle course in the conflict between the rebels and the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Some figures have allied with the rebels, others with Assad, while others have remained neutral.

Tara’s friends excecuting 20 blinded and hand cuffed soldiers, she keeps defending the killers because she suffers from Wahhabi criminal degenerative supportive disorder:

#94 Tara

Sorry, I don’t watch gory stuff especially when posted by commenters who claim to be “Syrian” by using it in their nickname even the dyslexic ones.
In a civil war, excessive violence is a sad reality and unavoidable. The only way to stop it is showing willingness to dialog.
Can you possibly defend the opposition after all their well documented crimes?

Zoo

Sorry you have no excuse this time. There is nothing gory about it. It is just an evidence of the criminality of the regime and why people like Josh supporting the neutralization of its air power.

#98 Tara

Sorry I tend ignore the posts of the commenters who used Youtube as their main source of information.
The only thing I am convinced of is that escalation of violence does not prevent Qatar and the foreign countries who are fueling the civil wars to sleep but it does to the Syrians.
There is no solution for these countries that to call for negotiations to stop the bloodshed. I am waiting for that day and I am sure it will come. The international call for a truce was the first sensible step that has been taken in 18 months, I just hope it will continue.

Terrorists in Andan setting fire to a bus coming from Afrin carrying 14 passengers and burn including them

Freedom of speech? Depends what your write…
http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/598168/
???? ???? “??????? ???? ?????” ??????? ??? ???? ??????? ????????? “??????” ??? ????? 27 ??????/????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? “?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ???????” ?”??????”.

http://angryarab.blogspot.de/2012/10/revolutionaries-who-kidnap.html

95. zoo

So the Kurds have killed almost 20 FSA in Aleppo?

Doesn’t fit the narrative Landis’ is trying to convey! This is big.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/27/syrian-rebels-kurds-clash-aleppo?newsfeed=true

A killer thug contemptuously spurned on camera by victim’s wife

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/27/246177.html

??????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????????

Thumb up for Aron’s informed answer.

Still, I think it’s a bit naive to assume Syrian Kurds will be satisfied if they get “their rights”, knowing how separatist many Kurds (generally those of Sunni Moslem origin, not so much Alevis and Faylis) are.

I mean Kurds already got many of their rights in Turkey, but it seems PKK, PJAK and alligned groups won’t get happy until they get the whole “Kurdistan” (or even more than that) …

Follow this Kurd at Twitter: @Avend93 at the twitter, “Selah El-Din battalion is a Kurdish group belong to FSA, joined the fighting against Kurds.. SHAME ON YOU!”

He specifically reported that this Salah El-Din Kurdish group joined forces with Islamist Al Nusra front fighting against Kurds. Sounds like infighting among non-Assad forces.

IdreesMohammd
Negotiations between FSA and PYD to release the detained by two sides….

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/idreesmohammd-negotiations-between-fsa-and-pyd-to-release/

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javierespinosa2
Kurdish agency Firat described a chaotic scene in #Aleppo,Kurdish militias fighting rebels and regime’s artillery shelling both #Syria

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/javierespinosa2-kurdish-agency-firat-described-a-chaotic-scene/

__________________________________

WashingtonPoint
Good to hear:“@Avend93: #FSA leader “Malik Al-Kurdi” to Kurdia News: what FSA has done in Eshrefiye was wrong and will never happen again.”

http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/washingtonpoint-good-to-hear-avend93-fsa-leader/

Observer,  

This is for you.  Sorry to post the whole thing.  There is no link.  A friend of mine emailed me this.

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????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???????? ?????????. ???? ????????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ????????? ????????? ???????? ?? ??? ???????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ??????. ??? ??? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ??????.???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????. ???? ????? ??????? ?????????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ??????
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From Zoo’s link in post 86:
…
A video makes the rounds. Nasser regales the crowd with the story of his encounter with the then head of the Muslim Brotherhood, who asks him to compel women to be veiled. The Egyptian leader replies: Does your daughter wear a veil? No. If you can’t control her, how do you expect me to control tens of millions of Egyptian women? He laughs and the crowd laughs with him. It is the early 1950s, over half a century ago. Today, one senses wistfulness for such humor and such bravado. History does not move forward.

Thanks, Zoo

Thank you Tara

A friend of mine who just returned from Beirut told me that Samaha had been forced to carry out the explosives in return for favors given to him in the past and now like the Godfather the time to “pay back” was at hand and to get out of this situation he more or less confessed and managed to be in custody as a way to escape this blood tie to the regime.

The mentality is one of a pure Mafia

105. YQXO
this is valuable information for your brother Aaron from Sweden! do not forget about the honorarium!

Of course not all Kurds support separatism, but they better be quiet and stay out of politics…

Kidnapping of Alevi-Kurdish (CHP) deputy by PKK militants:

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pkk-kidnaps-chp-deputy.aspx?pageID=238&nid=27661

Thankfully, this guy is free now. He seems to be working for the rights of Alevis in Turkey among other things.

Syrian opposition disrupts truce — Russian Dep ForMin
MOSCOW, October 27 (Itar-Tass) —— The Syrian opposition has disrupted the truce, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said.
The Westerners again blocked the United Nations Security Council condemnation of the Damascus terrorist attack, and the opposition thwarted the armistice. Its policy to continue violence is obvious, Gatilov said in his Twitter blog on Saturday.
On Friday in Damascus, an explosion near a children’s playground in the residential Daf al-Shouk area killed five people and injured more than 30. Most of the casualties are children who came for a festive event there.
According to Syrian media, it was one of a series of attacks that violated the truce declared for the Muslim Eid al-Adha holiday period. Terrorists also set off a car bomb in Deraa. During the day, there were reports about other truce violations by armed units of the opposition, to which troops of the Syrian army responded with fire. Militants attacked the military base in Wadi Deif.
In response to these events, Russia made a new attempt to pass a statement through the U.N. Security Council, condemning the acts of terrorism in Syria and confirming the commitment of member states to combating all forms of terrorism in accordance with the obligations set by the U.N. Charter.
However, the draft document prepared in connection with the Damascus terrorist attack was blocked by one of the Security Council member states, which explained its position by insufficiency of the information.
Earlier this week, Russia already tried to insist on U.N. Security Council condemnation of another terrorist attack committed in Damascus on October 21, which killed 13 people. An agreement was reached only on the text of a statement urging the conflicting parties in Syria to observe the holiday truce and make it possible to provide humanitarian aid for the population.

For Tara:)

Could you kindly desist from killing and maiming women and children

Thank you you Tungiasis infected alphabetically challenged moronic Shabiha

May you rot in Hell!

See me nice to Shabiha 😉

The PKK are a front for Assad like Hizb Al Shaytan. A card against the Turks.

By the way duck worshiping Assadists don’t count on the PKK too much because eventually the Kurds will finish them off if they start really fighting against the FSA.

Yeah, right, the PKK soooo loved by the Kurds. Not! Well done Assadists you have caused “in fighting”

Looool!

Give a Sunni Shabih a gun and let him shoot in the air and that is in fighting according to the dumb flea infested heroin addicted Shabiha

US Navy replacing admiral in Middle East strike group over “inappropriate judgment”
The US navy said an admiral in command of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Middle East would be replaced due to an ongoing internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of “inappropriate leadership judgment.” The admiral has not been formally relieved of his command, but was sent stateside to his home port on temporary reassignment pending the outcome of the investigation. It is exceedingly rare for the Navy to replace a strike group commander during its deployment.

97. ZOO said:
“#94 Tara
Sorry, I don’t watch gory stuff especially when posted by commenters who claim to be “Syrian” by using it in their nickname even the dyslexic ones.”
This is funny coming out from someone who named himself ZOO.
And the self named ZOO is going after typos, good you spelt dyslexic the correct way this time.

Kurdish news and complexities is not easy to follow, especially when most journalists and analysts group an entire sect into one simple group. There is not one definitive group that speaks for the Kurdish community, each group has a varying degree of influence and power.

@vvanwilgenburg has been a rather great source when it comes to reliable and unbiased news about Kurdish issues. I highly recommend following him.

for his published articles:
http://www.rudaw.net/english/author/WWilgenburg/

Note: His relative young age might anger some senior Citizen around here.

HABIB #74 asks:

“So where exactly has anyone in the Algerian government been found guilty?”

Answer: They will be, Habibie, they will be, as soon as their protectors are no longer in power.

Stating right here, as I posted above:

THE LATEST

Former Algerian Defense Minister’s Indictment for War Crimes in Switzerland

The main source of terrorism during the Algerian civil war was elements of the government itself.

Part 1 http://www.fpif.org/blog/former_algerian_defense_ministers_indictment_for_war_crimes_in_switzerland_part_1

Part 2
http://www.fpif.org/blog/former_algerian_defense_ministers_indictment_for_war_crimes_in_switzerland_part_2

ALES #108

Copy: ZOO

Yes, isn’t it interesting that the Muslim Brotherhood back in Nasser’s day could be dismissed by argument and laughter.

But the comment “history does not move forward” is wrong.

History DID move forward, to decades of state terrorism, corruption, misrule, social stagnation, crushed hopes and impoverishment of the Arab world by its “leaders”.

A situation which left politically excluded, repressed and economically deprived people (i.e. a very high % of the population) desperate for a clean, organised and principled alternative that would sweep out the old system. Something to give them hope of change.

The MB aren’t up to providing what’s needed as a recovery and antidote to the years of damage, and that will become clear.

But it makes sense for them to be presenting as a strong alternative to what’s gone on before.

117- Note !
Right !
I recommend you give him a razor,because he is not a clean-shaven !
useful and trusted source! true!Trusted in Israel and US !
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10679#.UIxJR28xq7c

114. Jarthouma

Lol, this guy must surely be a pro-Assad troll trying to discredit the opposition by posting retarded statements.

118. Syrialover

Let’s wait and see.

Those “rebel groups” even splintered because some didn’t want to be associated with massacres. Doesn’t make sense if it was the government that did it, does it?

ismembering the Arab World
by Makram Khoury-Machool
http://dissidentvoice.org/2012/08/dismembering-the-arab-world/
—————
The Qataris and Saudis give financial support to the ‘rebels’ for weapons, payments to fighters and mercenaries, and logistical oversight of attacks on Syria. All of this is in addition to their support with telecommunication services, combat tactics, and strategic military advice. Unsurprisingly, the Western military advisors, who operate for the armed groups behind the scenes, do not feature in any media outlets. Neighbouring states also provide geographical assistance to the armed groups, with Jordan providing a passage for mercenaries from Libya, and Turkey acting as the northern military base for operations.

Turkey is involved because of its wish to align itself with the Saudi-Sunni, NATO-backed line and also its fear that a dismembered Syria would lead to the promotion of Kurdish autonomy. In their eyes, this could bring about the eventual union of the Kurds with Iraqi and Syrian Kurds and then lead to civil war with Turkey and the eventual separation of Kurdistan from Turkey and the creation of a Kurdish state.

For its part, Israel has for decades planned, as part of its strategy to dominate the Middle East and the Mediterranean, to weaken Syria in order to continue its occupation of the Syrian Golan Heights and to dominate water sources. Essentially, Israel wants to be the main economic and military power in the region and indeed, Israel may well emerge from the weakening ofSyria as the main winner, if only in the short-term.

Citizen,

I don’t see the problem with Ayman Jawwad referencing Wladimir Van Wilngenburg in his article titled “A Taste of the Future: How the Kurds Treat Minorities”.

The fact Israel National news chose to carry the article that used Wladimir as a reference can’t be construed as biased in anyway but rather reinforces my earlier statement about Wladimir’s well researched knowledge on the subject matter of Kurdish issues.

As for your clear issue with ageism, I am bewildered by that fact? Does ones relative young age make them less wiser or knowledgeable about certain subjects? At what age does one need to reach to be considered “knowledgable” in your humble opinion? Does 34 not cut it anymore?

Did not mean to anger you with my earlier post, I’ll make sure to get off your lawn from now on…

A TNT-filled barrel respects the ceasefire and fails to explode!

http://www.nowlebanon.com/Arabic/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=451382

Jumblatt holds the key to the survival of HA’s government.  He should pull out and let Mikati’s government disintegrates.   HA may then get entangled in the Lebanese affairs and at least temporarily stop providing support to thug one. 

Hezbollah straddles tenuous line between Syria and Lebanon

The key to the survival of the current government is Jumblatt, a notoriously unpredictable political figure who frequently switches allegiances. Jumblatt openly accused Assad of carrying out the Oct. 19 assassination, and the withdrawal of his support could lead to the formation of a new government in which Hezbollah does not hold a majority stake.

Hezbollah has shown little tolerance for governmental challenges to its authority in the past. When the government tried to shut down Hezbollah’s private telecommunication network in 2008, their fighters hit the streets and took over most of Beirut.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/hezbollah-straddles-tenuous-line-between-syria-and-lebanon/2012/10/27/9237e100-1f92-11e2-ba31-3083ca97c314_story_1.html

Visitor,

That is a russian made OFAB 100-120, a much more powerful explosive device than the crude barrel filled with TNT. Had it exploded it would have wiped out the entire neighbourhood.
http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Air-Launched-Weapons/OFAB-Bombs-Russian-Federation.html

And the photo is from October 19 in Jabal Al-Zawyeh Idlib, not from the Eid Al-Adha period.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/8116065425/

Here is a set of an actual barrel that detonated today in Irbeen, Damascus (october 27th):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631865204072/

In the last picture you can see the hand of a civilian amid the destruction and horror levelled on top of them.

Al-Qaeda’s No. 1 calls on Muslims to kidnap Westerners
Al-Qaida has called for Muslims to support the Syrian uprising and demanded the introduction of Islamic Shariah law in Egypt, in a new video tape released by the terrorist group. In an undated two-hour video al-Qaeda chief Ayman al-Zawahri has urged Muslims to kidnap Westerners to exchange for imprisoned jihadists. Intelligence agencies are trying to determine the whereabouts of the video, which is difficult as the clip was shot against a backdrop of brown curtains.
http://rt.com/news/line/2012-10-28/#id39636

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-al-qaedas-zawahri-wants-to-kidnap-westerners-20121027,0,443844.story

#121. habib

I don’t think so. He is a typical example of the opposition, hysterical and incapable of expressing any idea without using foul language. We have seen many of theses specimens in the last few months. They seem very common in the ranks of the expat opposition.
They give you a real vivid idea of what will replace this regime if ever it happens.
Between these guys obsessed by STD’s, tatooes , drugs
and insults, the Islamists obsessed by “takbir” and the Salafists obsessed by veiling women and cutting heads, the future of the after-Bashar looks really thrilling.

MINAZOOANN seem to have skipped this bit of news.

I guess the little Czar is really wetting his pants.

Advice to the SC shabihas, if I post on this forum, I will do so under this name. But your continued obsession with what I may or may not be doing is delightful 🙂 It’s a rare kind of power to be able to send shabihas into anger filled tantrums without ever needing to post a single word.

Zoo, your obsession is indicative of your own pathetic weak character. You have no depth, nothing ever original came out of you the whole time on SC. You are a parrot who can only repeat what has been fed to him. Your opinions are pathetically shallow, and a reflection of the peasant mentality that is too common among the regime’s supporters.

You don’t like Youtube vids? Poor you, that’s the most feeble and pathetic excuse I’ve ever heard from someone who does not have the intellectual ability to debunk the evidence put infront of him. Forty years of Baathism does that to a person; it makes them completely incapable of any original thoughts or ideas, so that ever utterance needs to be pre-approved by the mukhabarat. If you don’t spoon feed them the talking points, all they have to fall back on is “itth a conthpirathy!”

Looking at the sorry state of the menhebakjis today, one almost feels sorry for them. Batta had every advantage a tin pot dictator could dream of; Russian veto cover, the region’s largest army, weak neighbors, a wimp in the White House, a lightly armed opposition, and unlimited money from Iran and Hizbollah, and yet he *still* is nowhere near to subduing the country. Does he need the Ayatollahs to hold his thing for him when he goes to the bathroom to?

So, menhebakjis, why haven’t you lot been out and demonstrating your love and adoration for Batta this Eid? When was the last time busloads of menhebakjis were bussed in from the villages for a perverted pro-regime “demonstration”? The opposition held numerous demos this Eid, I thought Batta was supposed to have a popularity of 99.9999%?

Sad truth is, there are precious few areas of the country left where it is a good idea to be identified as being a Duck-lover. And even Batta’s own constituency are fed up with him, and the continuing manner in which their sons are used as cannon fodder to maintain the lifestyles of the Makhloufs of this world, and his unbelievable military ineptness over the past 20 months. Cluster bombs, TNT barrels, artillery, what more does the eye doctor need? I have a feeling if you gave him a nuke all he’ll manage to do is blow himself up with it.

“For its part, Israel has for decades planned, as part of its strategy to dominate the Middle East and the Mediterranean, to weaken Syria in order to continue its occupation of the Syrian Golan Heights and to dominate water sources. ”

Habibi, the way Syria is right now, Zimbabwe wouldn’t want to colonize us. What a ridiculous idea, that Israel is in the lest bit worried about Batta’s inefficient, out-of-date, poor-trained, sorry excuse for an “army”. Jaysh abu shahata has lost every war its ever fought. Anyone so stupid to think that Israel is in the lest bit concerned about this ragtag, poorly disciplined waste of money and resources, hasn’t the slightest idea on how to evaluate military forces or the balance of power.

Simply put, Israel’s forces are far too innovative, motivated, trained and experienced to be taken on by any combination of forces Assad, Hizbollah or Iran can muster, and its been proven time and again. Just ask Nasrallah if he’d like another go at Israel anytime soon. I doubt Iran has the money to rebuild that slum in south Beirut for a 3rd time.

“Tara’s friends excecuting 20 blinded and hand cuffed soldiers, she keeps defending the killers”

And the failed “writer” continues his obsession with Tara. Dude, get a life already, seriously ever since I’ve been on this forum you’ve been stalking Tara and falling prey to tantrums about her. It’s sick, and we really don’t need a reminder of how sad menhebakji social life can be every time you post.

It must really bug the peasants that Adnan Ar’our managed to get back to Syria, but they never will again. Har har har 🙂

Sami 126,

All the same. That no exploding OFAB had the ‘foreknowledge’ of the ceasefire and respected it 7 days in advance. It makes it even more ‘worthy of respect’ than the criminal regime of thugs.

I think the real issues with menhebakjis is a deep seated sense of inferiority regarding their ancestry, so I’ll try to put that right.

Guys, just because “Aldendeshe’s” landlord grand-daddy had intimate knowledge with some peasant Qurdahan farm girl who could very well have been the grandmother of some of you lot, really is no need to carry a chip on your shoulders about being potential banadik.

(Hehehe, you wanted me back, I’m back, and walla la khalek te’raf hayatak ya wati)

“the future of the after-Bashar looks really thrilling.”

Let me tell you of what Syria after Batta will be like. First, the bloated civil service will be cleansed of the useless sorts, who were appointed only because of their sect, and are good for nothing more than taking bribes and snorting meti. That’s if they ever show up for work.

Second, Syriatel and MTN will be taken over and given to people who actually know how to run a mobile company. I’m very impressed with Saudi Telecom and Mobili and the efficient way they manage to bring cheap communications to 23 million inhabitants of Saudi Arabia. We should bring in Saudi investors, give them tax breaks and other incentives so that we can learn from their expertise.

Third, the army (such that it is) will be completely overhauled, to the point that almost nothing will be left of it originally. Out goes the out of date and useless Russian weaponry which never won a conventional war. Soldiers will be sent to the finest military academies in Western Europe and the USA to learn military ethics, professionalism, and how a que at a bakery is not a legitimate military target.

Fourth, numerous schools and roads will be renamed in honor of those who actually served Syria. The castle hill in Homs will be renamed Jabal Ar’our, and the obscene statue of the man who lost the Golan will be replaced with a more fitting monument.

Fifth, Syria will have the highest number of journalists per capita in the world, a position currently held by Israel. Journalism will be a profession protected in the constitution. Al-Jazeera, al-Arabiya and the BBC will all have a permanent presence in the country, protected by law, and their journalists given permanent residence in the country, to teach a new generation of Syrian journalists the ethics of the profession. Al-Dunya will be natonalized, its assets sold off to pay compensation for the victims of its sectarian hate mongering.

As for the shabihas, every single male over the age of 18 from pro-regime areas will have their Facebook accounts and Internet activity examined, to see what they were up to during these months. They will have to prove that they did not take up arms against Syrians. A nonexistent Facebook profile will immediately be grounds for suspicion and intense scrutiny. People who have been proven to be shabihas will not be executed, but will be put to work in heavy labor camps rebuilding the country, and repay the stolen property from areas like Baba Amr.

See, all very fair and reasonable. Alot better than anything Batta can offer, which is a failed state, perpetually under sanctions and increasingly lawless, isolated in the world and from the world. But hey, what does that matter to the disgraceful foreign based SC shabihas, right?

This ????? ??????? is for this Syria No Kandahar pretender, who thinks Syria is Russian Chechnya, and also for the other Zoo who does not know what the future after pin head will look like.

Start practicing. Audition will take place soon. The show will follow shortly.

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I’ve been thinking of making a parody Twitter account; CommandoGirl, a 17 year old pro-Batta Twitter girl complete with a pseudo-military name, who copy/pastes SANA news items, but is apparently the only teenage girl in the world not to Tweet about a social life. In her pic she is pouting, heavily made up with make up, and apparently has no social friends or relations, or even existence outside of Twitter.

Ya clueless menhebakjis, here’s a shocker for you; behind every inane 17 year old Batta loving Twitter chick, is a smelly, overweight, hairy mukhabarat mehti snorting thug who hasn’t showered since Maher lost his legs.

AMJAD #131 wrote:

“Does he [Assad] need the Ayatollahs to hold his thing for him when he goes to the bathroom too?”

If he actually has a thing (doubtful), they would need a strong microscope to see it and precision tweezers to hold it.

AMJAD #137,

You’re on a roll rebuilding and reinventing Syria, with some good suggestions.

But let’s also start building a political system, professional police and judicial system, tax system, accountable public service etc etc.

All the things the Assad regime was too lazy, primitive-thinking and incompetent to do.

And the army? It’s been exposed as a personally-controlled militia built to combat only one real enemy: the Syrian people.

Since Syria has never had a proper army, what would be the rush to spend $ on one now? Except maybe for job creation.

Let’s look at the logic of stupid Assadist Habib

I call the Shabih7ha mass murdering drug addicted tattoo obsessed, days of the week challenged mugs

Facts that every Ahmaad. Sami or Mustafa knows in Syria and I must be a pro Assadist troll!!

Loooool!

Oh My God ! Yeah everyone one knows these to be “baseless accusations ” induced by hallucinatory toxic overdoses of Al Jazeera pills

I must be a secret sun worshiping reincarnated sectarian Qardahi spy ha ha

Aboud, Commandogirl17 is a guy !?

Nooooooooo, all my wet dreaming , I wannabe an Alawite convert nights !!!

Aboud did you tell you little niece that Shiekh Claus did not exist ?

SAMI (Son of Damascus)#117,

Thank you for that site on Kurdish issues. It’s a great resource, full of useful perspectives and information.

There is plenty to sympathize and hope for the Kurdish people (images of their terrible, desperate mass flight from Saddam Hussein; the crackdowns and repression by the Turks, the bad deal they’ve suffered deal for decades under Assad, the uncomfortable situation of Sunni Kurds in Iran and so on).

But I can’t get a positive vision for any autonomous Kurdish region. On current and past evidence it would become splintered, impoverished and unsustainable quite soon after day 1.

Apologies to Kurds, but this is how they present to the rest of the world:

I can remember the PKK shooting itself and other Kurdish groups in the foot as part of business as normal in the heyday of Abdullah Ocalan (now imprisoned and reportedly recanting his previous beliefs).

Corruption, waste and cronyism in Iraqi Kurdistan is disappointingly setting new low world benchmarks, with mounting warnings about threats this poses to the stability of the area.

And encouraged by ignorant leadership, the Kurds are creating a social and economic time bomb with a population growth double that of the countries where they live. Without anyone having the means to pay for it, they boast of being in accelerated overdrive to breed themselves into significance.

Conclusion: With the world now in the 21st century, those in Syria would be best advised to shut up and get on with being a constructive part of any fresh start in a post-Assad country.

The take over of SC by Amjad of Saudi Arabia raising from his web web grave with his thugs has started.
Get ready for a diarrhea of personal attacks, threats, insults, arrogance, vulgarity, cynicism and infantilism.
That would be a way to discover the kind of people who will make a success of that failed revolution.

Good luck, enjoy your audience and put the thumbs where they suit you best.

Aboud, hard labour for the shabi7ha ?

I demand you change your mind! Personally making them spell three days of the month every morning is far worse anguish!

You must be a pro Assadist troll

Warning

The take over of every neurone in Zoo’s brain by a rare wart forming meti induced virus

get ready for some heavy drooling

North Korea just converted to ‘Salafism’ and is proving it with huge bangs. If you drink alcohol you’ll be obliterated with mortar execution,

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/27/246225.html

Next stop of ‘Salafism’ is the Russian Federation through Chechnya

Where is Ann to offer the Praise she/he’s been patiently taught.

It’s of no use to post any interesting articles anymore.
Let’s leave the space to the “liberators” of SC

142. Jarthouma

Only thing “hallucinogenic” here is your wording. Chill, man!

Your posts sound like free word association.

“It’s no use to posting any interesting articles anymore…..”

Zoo the dejected duck love buddy

Let us translate from Assadist picture alphabet. No use coping and pasting anymore and meti will never give me the profound Kantian inspiration to respond to difficult moral questions like

Do I burn all of Syria for Assad or do I leave the occasional Qard7han whore house

Therefore I must pack my bags and leave

Habib you are used to the word salad of your dick god. Why should you complain ?

Sorry did I say dick ? I meant duck. Profound apologies

145. zoo said:
“The take over of SC by Amjad of Saudi Arabia raising from his web web grave with his thugs has started.”
12 hours earlier

“87. zoosaid:
“Yes, Abboud or his mate is back, filthier then ever
One wonders what happened to him in the last few months to be so obsessed by STD’s”
You asked for it. Don’t be crying foul now when you started it.
So put up or shut up.

Aljazeera presents a documentary exposing the criminal regime’s role in the last Eid’s massacre of over 700 victims in Daraya,

http://www.aljazeera.net/news/pages/0bcdc33b-3374-49a1-a1b3-fc959ef40144?GoogleStatID=9

“?????… ???? ????? ?????”

Visitor, may Allah make the innocent of Daraya martyrs and a continuous symbol of resistance against this fascist sadistic regime

Jarthouma,

Come on, point made. Time to lift the game.

This already endangered forum is getting harder to read.

Amjad

Whenever I passed through the countryside I saw more and more pathetic pictures of Al Wahash, sometimes I wondered if the artist was still alive. I know one sculptor who made the statue of a riding Basel riding a horse, he told me that this is his worst sculpture he ever made,and that was his intent. He said that those government thugs who “asked” him for this sculpture have never seen a good sculpture or have been inside a museum

Assad in bunker
Bashar al-Assad has entrenched itself in Damascus, still believes a victory over the rebels. From development in the country of Syria dictator gets apparently with little – and lets his military wide latitude.

by Rania Salloum

“”Assad hardly trusts anyone,” says a former friend of the President SPIEGEL ONLINE. “When the Prime Minister deserted, no one dared to convey this message to Assad. They were afraid he would be angry, but Assad just laughed.. We got rid again of a traitor, let them all run away.”

http://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland%2Fsyrien-assad-verschanzt-sich-in-damaskus-a-863156.html

May be he has a rant like this fella:

Gifts of Islamists terrorists to Moslems in Aleid,Syrians will crush Alqaida like they crush Sarsur.Watch Afghani (Syrian)Salfis trying to kill
Fellow Syrians in Aleid,JL you really want to give
These guys Heavy weapons?!!!

Syrians Place Booby-Trapped Ammunition in Rebels’ Guns
DEIR SONBUL, Syria — The government of Syria, trying to contain a rapidly expanding insurgency, has resorted to one of the dirty tricks of the modern battlefield: salting ammunition supplies of antigovernment fighters with ordnance that explodes inside rebels’ weapons, often wounding and sometimes killing the fighters while destroying many of their hard-found arms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/syrian-government-booby-traps-rebels-ammunition.html?_r=1&smid=fb-share

World Organization for the Defense of Human Rights

Leaked videos of ASSad thugs throwing TNT barrels that KILL our children and families while taking pictures and laughing!
UN envoy whom I’m not going to even mention his name, sleeping Arabs and International community,, With or without truce,, this is acceptable???
They are having fun by killing us!
Shame on you leaders, you watch him killing us and from where we stand, he is receiving the best treatment a serial killer can have: MORE TIME TO KILL!!
Syria, leaked, throwing TNT barrels from choppers!
Five apparently identical videos:

Syria lover fine I will maintain a ceasefire 😉

But please let me at Syria Musca Domestica for Brains.(Syria no Qardha7a)

I just don’t know why I picture a hairy overweight asthmatic nose haired moustache of a Shabih freak who couldn’t catch a Homsi revolutionary with a lead weight .

Hamster,
Since you are into gifts exchange for the eid, here is one link i kept in reserve.

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/courts/pregnant-teenager-is-a-virgin-dubai-police-doctor-says

How cute, having doctors obliged to say a 29-week pregnant girl is a virgin to help the poor 17-year old father escape justice.
Thanks God, the girl also has a US passport, so they’ve found a place to deport her.

I hope you employ all your anti-Putin energy into turning it real. Are you a member of a famous anti-commie platform somewhere in your country? (was it Canada or the US?)

Ya Amjad I am truly unworthy….Personally I thinking Asma would be a great possession of the right hand for Arour lol!!

In your new Syria can we please force the Qardhaians to circumambulate with Ibn Taymiyyah’s 10 greatest hits around Hafez al Wa7shs sewage infested grave ?

I wonder what Joshua did to that Amjad dude so that he feels the need to sh*t so thoroughly on his comment section.

Those who want to talk nonsense and insult others, there’s ample room for that elsewhere, some facebook pages or comments of youtube vids are just fine for that, you’d find plenty of illiterate mates to merrily insult one another all the day long.

“I wonder what Joshua did to that Amjad dude so that he feels the need to sh*t so thoroughly on his comment section. ”

Yeah, you must be new here. I have repeatedly praised professor Landis on my blog and elsewhere. Unlike Imad Mustapha and the menhebakjis, I do not hold a person’s political opinions against them, or make it a per-requisite for respecting them.

But apparently, the shallow, intellectually insubstantial menhebakjis on this forum cannot read or a hear a word of disagreement without thinking that I am behind it somehow. They all breathed a collective sigh of relief when my posts became rare here. But since they seem to harbor such an ardent desire for my return, so much so that they see “Amjad” behind users I have nothing to do with, I am going to grant them their wish, and show them what Amjad Returneth really looks like.

And if by speaking frankly I offend some people, then tough crap. I will say it plainly; we do not want you menhebakjis in Syria, we have no intention of “coexisting” with you people. When the revo is over we will reward the Saudis and Afghans etc who came and fought by our side with the homes of those menhebakjis who packed up and left for Hizbollahstan and Tehran. How ironic, that someday Qurdaha will be filled with Chechens and Pakistanis.

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/56622/World/Region/Despite-failed-ceasefire,-Syria-peace-envoy-not-gi.aspx

Suggestions by top U.S. commanders that Washington has sent military personnel to Turkey to assist on a variety of issues, ranging from Syria to outlawed militants, should not be understood as a deployment of U.S. troops in Turkey, a senior Turkish diplomat has said.

The U.S. has at times sent teams to Turkey to assist on the issues of humanitarian zones, ballistic missile systems and Turkey’s anti-terror fight, Martin Dempsey, U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Oct. 26.

Dempsey’s words came days after U.S. Army Europe Commander Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling said the U.S. Armed Forces had recently sent soldiers to Turkey and that the soldiers deployed in Turkey had been sharing intelligence, prompting the Turkish diplomat to deny suggestions that the move constituted a deployment of U.S. soldiers in the country.

Speaking during a press conference with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Dempsey said: “Adm. James Winnefeld, my vice chairman, just returned back from Turkey and had conversations with his counterpart about those things. We’ve been sharing intelligence with Turkey for five years, and one of the things we’re looking to do now is learn lessons, recognize a different situation on Turkey’s southeastern border and see if there’s other things we could do to assist them, as well as to reduce the threat of ballistic missile attack inside Turkey. So it’s a work in progress, and we go and come as we need to have those.” Dempsey also said Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdo?an was doing a good job in fighting terrorism. “This is Prime Minister Erdo?an’s country. I cannot judge his approach. And he is doing his job well.”

Dempsey made the comments following a question over Turkey’s refusal to heed a U.S. suggestion to conduct a “bin Laden-style” operation against the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK).

“We offer to share our experience. And we benefit from [their] experience. Sometimes [they] accept our offers, and sometimes not. I do not conclude [from this that there is] any communication gap,” Dempsey said.

MINAZOOANN + SKUKAHAR
Your theories in practice:

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Turkey looks to Iran, Russia to tackle Syria crisis

Turkey is turning to regional powers Iran and Russia, backers of the Damascus regime, to help it deal with Syria’s bloody civil war that has spilled across its border with deadly shelling and a flood of refugees, analysts say.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan gave the first signs last week that Ankara may be shifting the way it approaches the 19-month conflict after holding what local media called a “surprise meeting” with Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad in Baku.

Ankara has proposed to Iran establishing a set of trilateral mechanisms involving key regional players to face the Syrian crisis raging at their doorsteps.

“This (trilateral) mechanism might involve Turkey, Egypt and Iran,” Erdogan said. “A second mechanism could involve Turkey, Russia, Iran. A third could be made up of Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.”

“This represents a significant shift in position by Ankara,” Semih Idiz wrote in the English-language Hurriyet Daily News.

“It was no more than a few months ago that Ankara looked coolly on any discussion on Syria which involved Russia and Iran due to their unconditional backing of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad,” he argued.

http://www.france24.com/en/20121023-turkey-looks-iran-russia-tackle-syria-crisis

Stay out of the Syrian Morass

As the Syrian government makes increasingly desperate and vicious efforts to keep power, pleas for military intervention, more or less on the Libyan model, have become more insistent. This course is morally attractive, to be sure. But should Western states follow this counsel? I believe not.

Those calls to action fall into three main categories: a Sunni Muslim concern for co-religionists, a universal humanitarian concern to stop torture and murder, and a geopolitical worry about the impact of the ongoing conflict. The first two motives can be fairly easily dispatched. If Sunni governments – notably those of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – choose to intervene on behalf of fellow Sunnis against Alawis, that is their prerogative but Western states have no dog in this fight.

http://www.danielpipes.org/11436/syria-intervention

AMJAD
I beg to differ:

those menhebakjis who packed up and left for Hizbollahstan and Tehran

Both will not survive for long after the the fall of athadithtan. The only place for mehabakjies i can imagine would be putinestan in the heart of Moscow’s gang-world.

Daniel Pipes: The high-stakes game between Turkey and Syria

Why is the Turkish government acting so aggressively against Syria’s Assad regime?

Perhaps Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hopes that lobbing artillery shells into Syria will help bring a satellite government to power in Damascus. Maybe he expects that sending a Turkish war plane into Syrian air space or forcing down a Syrian civilian plane en route from Russia will win him favour in the West and bring in NATO. Conceivably, it’s all a grand diversion from imminent economic crisis due to borrowing too much.

Erdogan’s actions fit into a context going back a half century. During the Cold War, Ankara stood with Washington as a member of NATO even as Damascus served as Moscow’s Cuba of the Middle East, an arch-reliable client state. Bad Turkish-Syrian relations also had local sources, including a border dispute, disagreement over water resources and Syrian backing of the PKK, a Kurdish terrorist group. The two states reached the brink of war in 1998, until the Assad government’s timely capitulation averted armed conflict.

A new era began in November 2002 when Erdogan’s AKP, a clever Islamist party that avoids terrorism or rants about a global caliphate, replaced the center-right and -left parties that long had dominated Ankara. Governing competently and overseeing an unprecedented economic boom, the AKP’s share of the electorate grew from one-third in 2002 to one-half in 2011. It was on track to achieving Erdogan’s presumed goal of undoing Atatürk’s secularist revolution and bringing Sharia to Turkey.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/10/16/daniel-pipes-the-high-stakes-game-between-turkey-and-syria/

Oh dear Amjad the salafi cretin burdens us again with the drivel he’s spent hours writing and spell checking on his word document.

None of Amjad’s posts makes any sense: his rants are just spell-checked incoherent garble. There is no argument or structure to his monologues. Amjad just indulges in mental masturbation, vapid rhetoric and straw man arguments.

Amjad is like a schizophrenic arguing with himself on the street. It’s best just to ignore such incorrigibles!

Arboud of Saudi Arabi in active jihad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFkO4VMxc48&feature=youtube_gdata_player
???? ?????? ?? ???????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHpLAIe50CI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Friends of Hamster theories in action:

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If you like Landis then I assume his website deserves better than your long drivels avout menhebakjis, Qardaha, Chechens and Pakis.

In other news, the NY times writes on the Iraqi shia fighting in Syria

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/world/middleeast/influx-of-iraqi-shiites-to-syria-widens-wars-scope.html?hp&_r=0

“Iraqi Shiites did not initially take sides in Syria. Many Shiites here despise Mr. Assad for his affiliation with the Baath Party, the party of Saddam Hussein, and the support he gave foreign Sunni fighters during the Iraq war.

But as the uprising became an armed rebellion that began to attract Sunni extremists, many Shiites came to see the war in existential terms. Devout Shiites in Iraq often describe the Syrian conflict as the beginning of the fulfillment of a Shiite prophecy that presages the end of time by predicting that an army, headed by a devil-like figure named Sufyani, will rise in Syria and then conquer Iraq’s Shiites.

It was the bombing of an important shrine in Samarra in 2006 that escalated Iraq’s sectarian civil war, and many Iraqis see the events in Syria as replicating their own recent bloody history, but with even greater potential consequences.

Hassan al-Rubaie, a Shiite cleric from Baquba, the capital of Diyala Province, said, “The destruction of the shrine of Sayyida Zeinab in Syria will mean the start of sectarian civil war in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.””

Indeed it seems we are edging closer and closer to a full regional war someday, Syria is already the sectarian regional battlefield as the NYT put it so it couldn’t be worse for us, but one thing is certain future generations won’t remember fondly all those who stired sectarian hatred.
These sentiments should never have made it to our century to begin with.

More on Muslims Forcing Christian Assyrians in Baghdad to Pay ‘Protection Tax’

(AINA) — On 3-18-2007 AINA reported that Muslims were forcing the Christian Assyrians in the Dora Neighborhood of Baghdad to Pay the jizya, the ‘Protection Tax’ demanded from Christians and Jews by Islamic law. AINA has obtained testimony from two residents of Dora and an observer. All names are withheld to protect the safety of the individuals.

Baghdad Observer:

Elements of Al-Qaeda have moved into Dora from Anbar. No security forces are to be seen there, it seems to be abandoned by both Iraqi and Coalition. In Hay Al-Mechaneek (which is in Dora across the bridge) people have been warned by these insurgents to uninstall the satellite dishes since this is “Haram” (forbidden) in Islam. In Dora where Christians live in Hay Al-Mualimeen [Teachers quarter] and Hay Al-Athorieen [Assyrian quarter] is where they are telling people to convert, leave, pay “Jizya” taxation.

Email From Dora Resident:

This has been going on for the past week, and it started even before Easter. We talked to many people within the American Embassy and Iraqi Government, but it seems no body really cares, because they have done nothing, or sometimes I wonder if they care at all. Neither the Iraqi nor the US army have any activity there, and they have delivered Dora to insurgents; and above all the US army went and put a camp in the Chaldean church (Babylon Theology College) to raise the hate among those Muslims toward Christians, as they are seeing them allies for Americans, and that worsen things more.

Testimony of Dora Resident, Currently A Refugee In Syria:

Yes it is true, today a family [name withheld] arrived from Dora/Mualimeen street, and they said some terrorists knocked on their door and when they opened the door they were told to either pay money (jizya) to support the insurgents or convert to Islam, or leave the house within 24 hours or else be killed.

http://www.aina.org/news/20070417105313.htm

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This is what will happen to the Christians of Damascus if the Fundamentalist Sunni Army succeeds in its insurgency. Persecution, exploitation and abuse of minorities are the modus operandi of all Sunni Islamist groups irrespective of where they are in the world!

I’m sick and tired of Sunni Taqqiyyas & their western liberal apologists obfuscating this truth!

Zoo,

See how Jarthouma responded to me in# 113. I had to look “tungiasis”up. If some pro-revolution feel comfortable addressing me like this, then you should not take it personal and should just skip those inappropriate comments.

Although, I do not agree with what you say. your right of speech should be protected and respected. Please do not be intimidated by HIV, syphilis, and Tungiasis. They did not intimidate Mina, Citizen, Warren, Habib, or Albo. I read your posts and appreciate your links.

Jarthouma

You are way out of line in your posts and you should be banned. Threatening to kill people who post on SC is not a revolution, it is a thuggery.

Saudis Bankrolling Israel’s Mossad?
A friend, with good sources in the Israeli government, claims that the head of Israel’s Mossad has made several trips to deal with his counterparts in Saudi Arabia—one of the results: an agreement that the Saudis would bankroll the series of assassinations of several of Iran’s top nuclear experts that have occurred over the past couple of years. The amount involved, my friend claims, was $1 billion dollars. A sum, he says, the Saudis considered cheap for the damage done to Iran’s nuclear program.
At first blush, the tale sounds preposterous. On the other hand. it makes eminent sense. The murky swamp of Middle East politics has nothing to do with the easy slogans and 30 second sound bites of presidential debates.
After all, nowhere more than in the Middle East does the maxim hold true: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And both Israel and the Saudis have always detested Iran’s Shiite fundamentalist leaders. The feeling is mutual. Tehran has long been accused of stirring up trouble among Saudi’s restless Shiites.
Israeli and Saudi leaders particularly fear Iran’s attempts to develop nuclear weapons. Thus, it would only be natural that (along with the U.S.) they would back a coordinated program to at least slow up, if not permanently cripple, Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
It also makes perfect sense, that, in retaliation for the cyber attacks on their centrifuges, the Iranians reportedly launched their own cyber attack on a Saudi state-owned target: Saudi Aramco, the world’s most valuable company. Last August 15th, someone with privileged access to Aramco’s computers was able to unleash a virus that wreaked havoc with the company’s systems. U.S. intelligence experts point their finger at Tehran.
Indeed, a report earlier this year by Tel Aviv University cites Saudi Arabia as the
last hope and defense line for Israel. With most of Israel’s traditional allies in the region sent packing or undermined by the Arab Spring, the Saudis are the Jewish State’s last chance to protect its political interests in the Arab world.
http://barrylando.blogspot.com/2012/10/saudis-backrolling-israels-mossad.html

Where is the border of Israel?
Several questions asked in the third presidential debate were never clearly answered. One of the most vital concerns Israel: What exactly is the U.S. commitment to that country? It’s a question that an American president may suddenly be confronted with, some chaotic night at three A.M.

The reporter moderating the debate attempted to get an answer.
According to Ray McGovern, there is no US/Israel mutual defense treaty, and there is no treaty because the Israelis do not want one. However American Presidents have gone to great lengths to make people believe we have such a treaty. But when pressed they are very careful to avoid saying directly that we have no legal obligation to defend Israel if Israel is attacked. We have only the personal promises of a number of American presidents.

“Now, our government … On inauguration day 2005 Dick Cheney found it necessary to say that Iran was a terrible threat, the top of the list of threats to us. That it should not get a nuclear weapon. And that the Israelis just might go ahead and take that capability out and let the rest of us pick up the pieces.

He said that in such a way as to indicate that that would be fine with him, it’s a possibility, and why not? Since then, the president in the US has time after time talked about “our ally Israel.” That “our ally Israel” deserves our support, and if “our ally Israel” is attacked, we will automatically spring to its aid under our defense treaty.

Now, Americans who might be reading this, listen up, as we used to say in the Army. There is no treaty of mutual defense between the US and Israel. That’s a lie. It’s a misrepresentation; juridically speaking Israel is not our ally.

I’ve often been interested in that. When I started out as an analyst I wondered, why is there no treaty? And I concluded, very understandably, that this was a mark of US prudence. Why would we want to tick off the Arabs even more than we already have? Why would we want to be juridically obliged to engage in hostilities in the Middle East?

But guess what? That wasn’t the case at all. In 1967 after the first Arab/Israeli War, we offered Israel a mutual defense treaty with the rationale that perhaps this would give the Arabs pause from attacking Israel again, and give us a certain leverage over the Israelis. And guess what? The Israelis said, “Thanks, but no thanks.”

I was surprised to hear that. I asked the people who were involved in this, who happen to be involved in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, including one person who was actually in the process of making this overture to Israel. I said, “Why did they turn it down?” He said, “Ray, mutual defense treaties require clearly defined international boundaries. And the Israelis, after they took the occupied territories in ’67 and ’73, didn’t want any part of clearly defined international boundaries. And also, the Israelis really like to be able to do what they want to do. If they want to attack Iraq and take out the Osirak nuclear reactor as they did in 1981, they don’t want to have to ask Washington, they just want to do it. So they didn’t want to be inhibited by any of the normally accepted norms of behavior. If you have a mutual defense treaty, you usually tell the other partner what you’re going to do, if you are going to invade or bomb another country.”

So what’s the upshot of all of this? There is no mutual defense treaty between Israel and the US. But why does the president say there is? Well, I don’t know why he says there is. General Scowcroft, his father’s National Security Advisor, told us, “Sharon just has him wrapped around his little finger.” He had our president “mesmerized,” according to Scowcroft.”

Tara

Thanks for your concern, but unfortunately SC has been recently infested by a higher degree of vulgarity and stupidity that brought the exchanges to a level that is so low that I prefer to avoid it.

I’ll wait until this wave passes.

An extremely informative overview regarding the criminal use of the Airforce in the revolution by the Assadist thugs, and how civilians are the prime targets because the outdated Russian hardware is not capable to confront a lightly armed rebel group.

Syrian Air Force and Defence Overview
http://www.understandingwar.org/press-media/graphsandstat/syrian-air-force-air-defense-overview

Zoo

I guess I’ll do the same until JL decides to moderate this site again.

SyriaLover,

From my understanding not all Kurds are striving for autonomy, Federalism is another option that many Kurds (especially the Kurds I know in Damascus) are after.

It is very unfortunate that the PKK/PYD is meddling on their “supposed” behalf. Especially since they do not actually represent the entire Kurdish community in Syria.

Another invaluable source on Kurdish issues is Kurdish Watch:
http://www.kurdwatch.org

Visitor,

The reason I corrected you regarding the OFAB is because armaments like these are easily traced back to their source of origin. After the revolution countries that helped supply and prop up this criminal regime will need to answer to the Syrian people if they want to have anything to do with the future Syria.

For instance when Lavrov claimed no Russian cluster bombs were ever used in Syria he flat out lied:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chroniclesyrianuprising/sets/72157631835670787/
(The Russian translates to roughly: ???? ???? ???????, place the gunpowder fuse)

188.

are you showing the Libyan arsenal as a part of comedy movie?
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Sami 188,

Absolutely. Russia is taking it’s last breath of fresh air on warm waters, and that Russian whorehouse on the coast will be sunk to the bottom of the sea.

I knew it’s some kind of bomb but I thought the title of the article was funny and that’s why I went along with the title.

And now we have the pathetic little man Warren, the lowest kind of creature on a forum; the copy/paste Islamophobic mass poster, with nary an original thought or idea. And I recognize a few of my own phrases in his last post, which gives me a pretty good idea who he really is. You know you really got to a person when he uses your own phrases against you, heheheh 🙂

Nothing I can say or do can come close to causing Warren the anguish he inflicts on himself daily with his phobia and hatreds that eat away at him.

Warren, here is a doll. Tell us where the big bad Jihadi touched you LOL!

Now, lets talk about the loathsome Agnes Mariam, the prototypical regime shabiha who’s been propagating quite a few lies recently, the biggest one is that “80,000” Christians were “cleansed” from Homs. Well, where are they all? Where did they disappear to? 80,000 Syrian refugees take up 16 massive camps in Turkey. And yet travel the length and breadth of Syria, Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan, and you will not find a single concentration of Christian refugees anywhere. Did they all get on the same plane to Paris as that regimist mouthpiece Agnes?

Seriously, here you have a regime openly supported by Hizboll-shaytan, the most sectarian terrorist group in the world, and the Iranian Ayatollahs, the biggest exporters of terrorism in the world, and you people whine about a few Saudi and Libyan Jihadis in the revolution? Talk about extremism, it was your Batta who closed down the country’s only casino. “Secularism” LOL!

(happy to have me back yet, ya shabihas of indeterminable parentage?)

Let’s continue with discussing post-Batta Syria. Mazi 86 is one big neighborhood full of nothing but illegally built apartments and pro-regimist shabihas, none of which are desirable in Syria. The buildings were built without permit on government land, and therefore belong to the government. It will be perfectly permissible for the government of the day to seize those buildings, throw out its current occupants, and transfer the property to those whose homes have been destroyed in Damascus.

And since those buildings were illegally built, not a single penny will need to be paid in compensation. Where the current inhabitants end up is not and should not be any of the slightest concern of the new government. Squatters should take responsibility for their own actions. Maybe they can move in with some of the expat based shabihas. What do you say Zoo,Mina,Habib, et al? Ready to take in a few dozen shabiha families into your homes, just like the expats of Saudi have taken in numerous Syrian refugees into their homes?

Of course not. The very idea is sending shivers of terror through them right now.

I wonder why the Alawite areas of Homs haven’t been hosting any of the so called “80,000” Christians who were supposedly driven from their homes by “Libyan and Saudi Salafi-Wahabi-CIA-Martian-Terrorists”. We were led to believe that Batta was the protector of minorities, who were standing by him through thick and thin. And yet there isn’t a single Christian family in any of the pro-regime areas of Homs. Most of them chose to go to Al-Wa’er in the outskirts of the city. Quite illuminating, wouldn’t you say.

Tara I am not threatening anyone on this site more mocking them and giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Certainly I do believe that the revolutionaries have a right to kill any Shabi7 who resorts to violence raping and pillaging everywhere. The right to self defence and resistance against occupation is an enshrined human right !

God help us if that is thuggery ! Sheesh. By the way I insulted Zoo the duck sycophant

Two Malaysians, suspected of al-Qaeda links, arrested in Lebanon
Malaysia confirmed that two of its citizens were arrested by Lebanese authorities who say they were trying to make their way to Syria to join the 19-month-old revolt against President Bashar al-Assad, where Islamist militants are taking an increasingly prominent role. The pair, aged 21 and 28, had tried to enter Syria from Turkey a couple of months before, and after failure, decided to go to Lebanon instead. Their activities were spotted by army intelligence and they were arrested, Al-Joumhouria, a Lebanese daily paper reported.
http://rt.com/news/line/2012-10-28/#id39675

BABA VANGA… la prophétie du Président noir et de la 3ème guerre .
BABA VANGA … the prophecy of the black President and the third war.

What is it about modern day Syrians that we seem incapable of forming strong political institutions? Forget the regime, it is irredeemable. But the opposition was starting from a clean slate, and yet its political failings have had tragic consequences for the country.

James Bond, Doctor Who and the Baath Party’s seizure of power are all coming up on their 50th anniversaries, and yet there is no question whatsoever that the first two are much stronger institutions than the 3rd.

Today’s problems in Syria come straight down to the complete and utter failure of the political classes on both sides. If either side’s political elite had had an ounce of sense, there would not have been a need for an FSA or talk about arming them with SAMs. I don’t expect much from a regime whose institutions are so weak that the only successor they could come up with to the man who lost all his wars, was his eye doctor of a son. But the SNC has made itself irrelevant. It committed the worst sin possible for a political movement; it failed to motive and inspire the masses.

We Syrians must look deep into ourselves and figure out why we always seem to be caught between two extremes; a thousand chiefs, or “KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!”

The Syrian airforce has flown more bombing sorties over Aleppo in 3 months than it did over Israel in 50 years. Like one Twitterer said, the Assad family kept to a 40 year cease fire with Israel, and yet couldn’t keep to a 40 minute one with the Syrian people. “Resistance” LOL!