Syria Rejects Arab League Request that Assad Step Aside
Posted by Joshua on Monday, January 23rd, 2012
Syria rejected an Arab League proposal calling for President Bashar al-Assad to step down and advanced elections to form a “national unity government.” The Arab League plan results from the deep divisions within the Arab League about how to deal with Syria. Firm action is prevented by the split between the two main camps within the League. The Iraq, Algeria, and Lebanon camp does not want to see foreign intervention. The Gulf camp led by Qatar is eager for intervention and a tougher international line on Syria.
But even within the Gulf, important disagreements have opened up. The Emir of Qatar has spoken out in favor of Arab military intervention. Saudi Arabia is not so keen on this idea. It has to deal with the glass house factor. the Saudis are queasy about a precedent for military intervention by the Arab League being set to promote democracy. What about Bahrain or even the Shia of the Eastern Province in Saudi Arabia who have been demonstrating for change and the overthrow of the Saudi household?
Arab League calls for Assad to step aside, without the credible threat of foreign intervention, will not change much. Assad remains confident that he can contain if not beat the opposition. The UN is as divided over Syria as is the Arab League. No country is eager to lead a military intervention in Syria. Syria has become a hot-potato. International organizations are turning to each other, drawing a long face of horror over the Syrian situation and saying, “Do something. You first.”
‘The Arab League to Syria’s President: It’s time for you to go’ (Rania Abouzeid, Time)
“But instead of diplomatic politesse, proceedings were thrown into disarray after Saudi Arabia, stepped out of the background role it has played so far in the Syria crisis, to forcefully push for an end to the Syrian government’s ferocious crackdown against its opponents. For months, Qatar has taken the lead on Syria. In a move that likely persuaded other countries, especially Gulf states, to take a stronger line against Damascus, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told his counterparts that his country would withdraw its observers from the much-criticized League monitoring mission in Syria due to the continued shedding of “blood that is dear tous all.””
(Comment by JL) But Saudi did not second the Emir of Qatar’s call for Arab military intervention, an indication that it is weak on Syria. While in Saudi Arabia last week, I had the opportunity to quiz a well placed prince on this issue. He said that Saudi Arabia did not know what was motivating the Emir of Qatar to be so out-spoken on Syria but that Saudi Arabia would not participate in or encourage Arab military intervention in Syria. President Obama would find it very difficult not to back up the Arab League or Turkey if either led military intervention in Syria. NATO as well. But the UN cannot lead without a Russian “Yes” vote in the Security Council, and the US will not do so on its own. Saudi Arabia’s withdrawal from the Arab League monitoring mission is not an expression of its desire to lead, its interest in making a “forceful push” on the issue, or that it is “stepping out of its background role” on the Syria crisis, I suspect.
From a Friend in Damascus
With syp hitting 74, prices will soon go insane. Impossible for many to make ends meet. Even extended family members are running out of money by the 10th of every month. This military regime is very hard, if not impossible, to bring down. When it comes to people’s lives….simply forget it. A total meltdown. Everything has doubled in price in less than a year. Totally unprepared these guys were and are.
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Syria to Start Managed Float of Currency Next Week, Central Bank Head Says
By Massoud A. Derhally – Jan 20, 2012 7:02 AM CT
Syria’s Central Bank Governor Adib Mayaleh. Photographer: Joseph Eid/AFP/Getty Images
Syria will introduce a managed float of its currency next week, central bank Governor Adib Mayaleh said. The move will allow the pound to devalue after demand for foreign currency drove a surge in black-market rates.
“We will have a partial managed float, allow the rate to be determined by the market and intervene when necessary,” Mayaleh said in a phone interview from Damascus today. “If we see a rate, like that of 70 pounds now, which I don’t like, then we will intervene, and next week there will be a positive intervention by the central bank with the injection of foreign currency into the market.”
The pound traded officially at about 47 to the dollar before the start of protests against President Bashar al-Assad in mid-March. As the uprising spread, the central bank raised the rate to about 54 pounds in December and 57 pounds early this month. The currency traded at as much as 70 pounds per dollar on Syria’s black market this week.
Adib Mayaleh, the central bank governor, told the FT (behind paywall) the exchange rate had “jumped a lot of steps” and they needed to control it. ….Syrian oil minister, Sufian Allaw, said sanctions were biting: “We have suffered important losses as a result of our inability to export crude oil and petroleum products.”
Syrians cope with profound economic crisis as regime tries to crush revolt, By BASSEM MROUE
Jordan’s King Abdullah: Coming Weeks Critical for Syria, Assad, Arab League, PBS NewsHour
King Abdullah II of Jordan, the first Arab leader to urge President Assad to step down, sat down with Margaret Warner Thursday to discuss his expectation of more killings in Syria, the Arab League’s role in quelling unrest there as well as the latest …
“The problem with Syria — and we’ve been here in Washington for a few days talking to our colleagues here. And I’ve been in interaction with my colleagues around the world and the Middle East — nobody has an answer for Syria. And that is the most disturbing thing.”
… “And so, if I can predict what will be happening over the near future, again, the relationship between the Arab League and the U.N. on how to take it to the next step, understanding from our experience last year that, when the Arab League comes together as a bloc and makes a decision, it’s much more easier for the international community to then move to the next phase.”
Iranian Foreign Minister on Charlie Rose Show says Iran does not send arms to Syria
Charlie Rose: … there is a sense that … Iran is supplying the Syrians with weapons…
Mohammad Khazaee: …You know, Charlie, on Syrian issue, we follow our principles. The first point is that we believe that government should listen to their people. We have made it clear. ….Second, we do not, and we have not sent any arms to Syria. …
Mohammad Khazaee: ….we have some evidences that arms have been sent by … France, to Syria to support the militia group and opposition groups ….
Iraqi government and militias supporting Pres. Assad in Syria. by Joel Wing
Joel asked me, “why Iraq and Syria have improved relations so much after Damascus was one of the main supporters of the insurgency?” My answer:
- Because of the US presence and influence in Iraq. Both Iran and Iraq tried to push the US out of the region, when the US threatened both from Iraq. President Bush had an ambitious plan to reform the Greater M. E., which included pushing Syria out of Lebanon and ultimately regime-change in Damascus.
- Negotiating tactic. Once the US was on the ropes in Iraq, Syria moderated its support of the insurgency in an effort to convince the US to make a trade: the reduction of US sanctions against Syria and rekindling negotiations over Golan and Lebanon in exchange Syrian help in Iraq.
- Now that the US is out of Iraq and the Syrian revolution is under-girded by a Sunni insurgency in Syria, Damascus no longer has an interest in supporting the Sunni militias across the boarder. Both Iraq and Damascus have the common goal of suppressing Sunni militias and supporting Iran.
The Middle East is today experiencing a twofold upheaval of immense proportions: a dramatic acceleration of climate change, water shortages, urban growth, environmental degradation, persistent economic and resource imbalances, and population explosions that coincide with wars, invasions, foreign interventions, civil and religious strife, and mass uprisings. And the longue durée is now exerting its influence on Iraq.
The livelihood of Iraqis is overly dependent on a state that is entirely reliant on a single resource. Agriculture has effectively collapsed; the great river systems of Mesopotamia have shriveled; trade routes based on Iraq’s unique geography have vanished; and transport links have atrophied. Merchants and entrepreneurs are merely recyclers of state-owned and state-generated wealth and a previously open and culturally and religiously accommodating society has been replaced by beleaguered communities locked in laagers.
The Arab successor states to the Ottoman Empire have all proved to be unstable, prone to violence and easy targets of foreign intervention and control. Left unchecked, Iraq will remain hostage to the turbulent region in which it finds itself — and to the price of oil.
Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood tells world to isolate Assad (peacefully?)
19/01/2012
BEIRUT, (Reuters) – The leader of Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood said world powers should pile diplomatic pressure on President Bashar al-Assad and he called for a no-fly zone and “safe zones” to be set up to help the Syrian leader’s opponents.
Mohammad Shaqfa told Reuters that the Arab League, which has sent monitors to assess Syria’s implementation of a plan to end 10 months of violence, should press the U.N. Security Council to take “deterrent measures” against Assad….
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Pledge of solidarity with the Revolution by 106 Alawi, Syrians – half women. On Syria Politic
Russia warns West it risks war over Syria, Iran – January 20, 2012
MOSCOW: The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, has warned outside encouragement of anti-government uprisings in the Middle East and north Africa could lead to ”a very big war that will cause suffering not only to countries in the region but also to states far beyond its boundaries”.
Mr Lavrov’s annual news conference on Wednesday was largely a critique of Western policies in Iran and Syria, which he said could lead to a spiral of violence.
He said Russia would use its position on the United Nations Security Council to veto any UN authorisation of military strikes against forces loyal to the government of Syria’s President, Bashar al-Assad.
Rezan Bahri Shaykhmus, Chairman of the Kurdish Future Movement’s Office of General Communications:
»While a people’s revolution is taking place throughout Syria, the Kurdish Patriotic Conference is arguing and struggling over money«KURDWATCH, January 19, 2012—Rezan Bahri Shaykhmus (b. 1962, married, four children) is the chairman of the Kurdish Future Movement’s Office of General Communications. The engineer lives in Syria. In a conversation with KurdWatch, Shaikhmus speaks about the Future Movement’s political work following the death of its speaker Mish?al at-Tammu. [Read the interview]
Qatar: Kingmakers in Syria? by Jason Pack and Shashank Joshi
Comments (231)
Syrian Nationalist Party said:
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I understand that the majority of what is mislabeled as regime supporters on this blog and elsewhere are nothing more that smart kids who figured out the conspiracy against Syria in all its details and are worried about the ramifications this will have in the end to Syria as a country. Their concerns and worries are in place, their dedication is appreciated and they are the best of real Syrians.
However, even they cannot deny the fact that Syria is run by one of the most sadistic and cruel organized crime rackets Mafia of the 20th century and is operating under cover of a Political Party. They cannot deny the crudity of this mafia and its destructive impact on an entire noble nation. In fact a whole region of the Middle East, its negative and disruptive political and economic monopoly and vicious bloody crimes has destroyed the very moral fabric of the nation. It has reduced, using Socialism for cover, the entire Syrian population into mere State owned serfs.
Regardless of the conspiracy, and there are competing ones in the works, Syrians must move forward, beyond this dark period of History called Baathism. We must get the U.N. and the International community to help us regain and secure our rights, our human rights and dignity from this criminal enterprise that is holding millions as hostages. The U.N., under chapter 7, must pass a resolution mandating to the Syrian crime family what it must do, at any given period, or face military enforced sanctions against any country violating them. It shall also, include a provision for the surrender of war criminals responsible for the genocide that is going on in Syria. The head of this crime syndicate is a Shia terrorist by the name of Bakhtian/ Bakhtiar, an immigrant from Iran that is notorious for his sadistic crimes against Syrians while he maintained the Baath party offices for decades.
The Responsibility To Protect is a concept that must be enforced even without U.N. mandates, all countries, and all nations must get involved in bringing the atrocity and human right abuse in Syria to end. Those that refuse to do so should be condemned and sanctioned by the majority of Nations.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:36 am
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http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/576780/
January 23rd, 2012, 10:47 am
aldendeshe said:
“…..Mr Lavrov’s annual news conference on Wednesday was largely a critique of Western policies in Iran and Syria, which he said could lead to a spiral of violence….”
Mr. Lavrov, with due respect, Syrians will no longer live as serf, do something please.
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January 23rd, 2012, 10:50 am
irritated said:
h#585 Syria Lover
“But my head swims with the unreality in 2012 of the survival of a regime that has killed, imprisoned, tortured and terrorised countless thousands of ordinary citizens,”
The USA regime survived and bloomed after much worse killing (millions) in Iraq, after already having a long history of massacre, the ameridiens, Vietnam, South America and others. They survived by electing a new head with the same system in place, it does the trick, you know!
If you argue that the difference is that they did not massacre americans, I would reply since when an american life is more valuable than an iraqi life or a vietnamese life? A human life is human life.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:18 am
mjabali said:
Syria is burning and all the Arab League was able to come up with is this list of ORDERS that we all know that al-Assad is going to refuse.
It is Amateur Hour at the Arab League. So far, al-Assad with all of his shortcomings, was and is able to defeat them in many games on the ground, even with all the money and support these rich Arabs are putting to remove al-Assad for their own interests.
The Arab League Observers’ game was won by al-Assad, even with the fake observer’s fiasco, and therefore the amateurs came with these orders now asking him to step down and give up his powers. Who taught these guys how to play the game? Notice: the ordinary Syrian people are paying the price while all of these dangerous games are taking place.
These are dangerous participants here since we have buses being blown, car bombs, assassinations, imprisonment, street battles, snipers, beheadings, RPG, Mortars…etc It is a shame to see this happen to Syria.
Hatred is not letting the anti-Assad Arabs see clearly, and of course they care less about the well being of the ordinary Syrian people. All they care about is to change al-Assad ASAP, who as it seems entrenched and hard to move and tougher than these overspending oil rich patriarchs.
Funny and tragic at the same time seeing one of those Princes of Qatar asking a country to democratize and giving a lecture to the public about democracy. Why didn’t the same Sheikhs who inherited the rule call for the democracy for BAHRIN a country about ten miles away from Qatar? Or why didn’t these hypocrites wish the same for their own country? From this point alone we see that these men are making a mockery out of democracy. No wonder the Arabs will never understand what is the true meaning of democracy.
The Arab governments are hypocrites most of the time. al-Assad is violent also and therefore there is no solution in the near future for Syria if you have the Arabs involved into solving things. You need someone really democratic helping in this case.
The Syrians are continuing to die by the regime and by the militant opposition that now had become way more violent and ruthless than the regime itself, as if we are in a competition here. What a mess! The militant opposition is taking Syria to hell if you couple that with al-Assad’s logic and the idiot sectarian Arabs on the sides cheering and sticking their nose.
The only solution for Syria is to sit on the table with all the Syrian contestants. Then you have to establish REAL political parties ASAP on the proper land of Syria with REAL agendas that all Syrians have to vote for ASAP also. Change has to come planed and well thought of and not because of hatred and political agendas.
PS: the Arab League idiots should have called for a halt in all types of violence by all parties before anything else. Violence has to stop.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:20 am
zoo said:
Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao in Qatar
Jan 24, 2012
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NA24Ak03.html
“Equally, Wen made some candid remarks on Syria and Iran during his press conference in Doha, fully realizing that his host country would have a different point of view. Wen said Beijing is “very concerned” about the Syrian situation. He added in some detail:
Syria’s turmoil has been going on for quite some time. We have three comments on the Syria issue. First, we need to strive to seek a peaceful and political solution to the Syria issue. We oppose the killing of innocent civilians and should prevent it from happening. The order in Syria should be restored as early as possible.
Second, we must respect the requests of the Syrian people for change and their demands to safeguard their own interests. Third, we need to give play to the LAS’ [Arab League’s] role in this regard, especially its investigation and mediation role on the Syria issue, and enable LAS to provide help for the peaceful resolution of the Syria issue through dialogues and by political means.
Our goal is to find solutions, including meeting the requests of the people for change, continuing to develop economy and improving people’s livelihood, so that states experiencing instability such as Syria could achieve stability and development.
This is the first major policy pronouncement on Syria by the Chinese leadership and, most interestingly, it was made on Qatari soil. The impression one gets increasingly is that China is quite comfortable with both Iran and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states and doesn’t see the security paradigm in the Persian Gulf in quite those zero-sum terms. The GCC comprises Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.) ”
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The government-owned China Daily featured a commentary on Saturday in a wrap-up of Wen’s tour of the Persian Gulf, which said:
US is lobbying the international community to put the screws on Iran. But China should read into this game and refrain from succumbing under other big powers’ pressure … China should follow its own course, for Sino-Iranian trade is in accordance with international laws …
Iran is an essential overseas market for goods, especially technology-intensive ones, from China, which built the subway in Tehran … Oil imports from Iran are very important for China. If China stops importing oil from Iran, it will face an immediate shortage of fuel. Even if China can meet the shortage by importing from other countries, it would have to pay high prices and meet harsh conditions, which will deal a terrible blow to its economy. China has long suffered the whims of big oil-exporting companies and it is time their monopoly was curbed.
Wen was plainly dismissive about Western media reports that he was scouting for GCC oil to replace Iranian oil. “Some people think I have come for the oil. I think they are too narrow-minded. It should be said that I have come for the friendship. The biggest harvest of my trip is the enhanced mutual political trust.”
January 23rd, 2012, 11:41 am
Uzair8 said:
@1 SNP said:
“The head of this crime syndicate is a Shia terrorist by the name of Bakhtian/ Bakhtiar, an immigrant from Iran that is notorious for his sadistic crimes against Syrians while he maintained the Baath party offices for decades.”
Could you please tell us more about this person if possible? Thank you in advance.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:43 am
irritated said:
Revlon #605
Thanks for your interesting and realistic analysis of the AL proposal.
https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=13169#comment-292351
January 23rd, 2012, 11:44 am
Revlon said:
8. irritated
You are wellcome!
What is your take on the published details of the AL initative irritated?
January 23rd, 2012, 11:52 am
majedkhaldoun said:
The regime started the violence
The regime continues the brutal violence.
The regime is not going to stop the violence.
The brutality of the regime is much worse than the anti regime violence.
after the regime stop the violence then dialogue is acceptable , not before.
Time is on the side of the people,as more defections, and as worsening the economy, more people will join the opposition.
The regime as a dictatorship, he can not back of,otherwise he will collapse.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:56 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Congratulations to the Egyptian people on the first post elections parliamentary session. Yes, the majority is MB and Salafis, but this is the choice of the Egyptian people. This lower house, unlike the previous one during the Mubarak era, is a reflection of the Egyptian society.
And no. I don’t agree with Angry Arab that it has to do with Wahhabi or Gulf money. http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2012/01/67.html
What is Angry Arab’s claim? That Egyptians are secular Liberals, who are bribed to vote for the Salafies ?
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January 23rd, 2012, 12:16 pm
jad said:
A universal conspiracy needs a universal military intervention 🙂
Syrian National Council
Syrian National Council has taken a historic decision. It said that it won’t only ask for Arab League intervention followed by UN Security Council intervention. It said that it has now called on military forces from other planets to participate in a universal military intervention in Syria. All eyes are on Mars now.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 1:18 AM
I’m glad that no only mee see Haytham Manna as the best and most respected opposition figure so far:
Haytham Al-Manna`
The courageous Syrian dissident, Haytham Al-Manna` (whose leftist brother, Husayn `Uwaydat, was shot in his mouth by goons of the Syrian regime early on because they go after the capable leftist leaders first) gives an interview (the link to its origin has expired) and he categorically rejects foreign intervention. (thanks Blanche)
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 12:27 AM
I also agree with Dr. Abukhalil on this:
Bashshar
What annoys the hell out of me is that Bashshar still acts like his relationship with Saudi Arabia is more than excellent. His propagandists in Lebanon and Syria even absolves Saudi Arabia from any responsibility in what is happening in Syria: they only blame Qatar. I dont think it is entirely foolishness and ignorance: there is plenty of that, but Bashshar still hopes for a deal under the table with the Saudi regime.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 12:20 AM
Dear SNK, be ready, the coming Friday will be a ‘Kandahar’ Jihadi style!
Friday of the Declaration of Jihad
Al-Quds Al-Arabis (the Qatari-funded newspaper which is fiercely opposed to the Syrian regime) reports that there is a debate about the name of the next Friday of protests in Syria: Salafites want to name it the Friday of the Declaration of Jihad and the March 14 liberals of Syria disagree. I remember only few months ago when people of the March 14 stripes and their supporters in the West were arguing with me whether 1) there are armed groups in Syria; 2) whether the fundamentalists are dominant or even present in the uprising. I remember that some were arguing with me that the entire uprising is the work of feminists and secularists.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil at 12:18 AM
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
January 23rd, 2012, 12:25 pm
Tara said:
Amir
I am happy with the results of the parliamentary election in Egypt. Not that I support politicizing Islam, but rather because I think it is a phase muslim countrie must experience in their evolution to the developed world. It appears that lots of people in the Arab world have a “nostalgia” about “Islam is the solution”. Let them try it out and see. If it solves their problems and advances their society, great. If it doesn’t, then the society will be ready for enlightenment that brings it to the mext phase of development.
January 23rd, 2012, 12:31 pm
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January 23rd, 2012, 12:32 pm
Revlon said:
589. Dear Norman:
Thank you for posting AlDabi’s statements.
Some are contradicted by videos that I posted earlier.
others serve to underscores the limited value of their observations due to quantitative (their small number compared to the vastness of their duty area) as well as qualitative (inability to access area without prior arrangement of the regime security forces) issues.
Here is what I meant:
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I personally posted videos of Aldabi with other observors and activists in Baba Amr, with armored vehicles in sight!
???? ??????: “??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ?? ??????. ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ????? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????.”
AlDabi: We reflected what we saw and refrained from discussing what we did not see.
This statement summs up the limitations of this report.
The report is based on direct, visual observations. All other observations are discarded.
100 observors can make observations in a maximum of 100 blocks at a time.
Assuming that all of them were in Homs, with an arbitrary figure of 10,000 residential blocks would mean that 9,900 or 99% of residential blocks of Homs were not under direct observation at any given time!
AlDabi did not reflect what he did not personally see.
The hundreds of families and activists that offered personal testimonies and documentary evidence were not represented in his report; their plight was not seen live by AlDabi. He did see women and young girls being raped, children tortured, activists kicked, and homes shelled.
Is there any thing the AL can supply AlDabi and his team with to overcome this limitation; I suggest a crystal ball.
???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? ??? ??????: “??? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????. ?? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????.”
Doubling or tripling their number shall make no difference.
Giving them Thuraya telephones, notebooks, 3D cameras, printers, Rayban sun glasses and extra pocket money shall make their stationary look neater and life more comfy, while that of the observed deteriorate.
Cheers.
January 23rd, 2012, 12:37 pm
Juergen said:
Tara
Our biggest german salafi Pierre Vogel or Abu Hamza as they call him( or the most outspoken one) is currently in Cairo for studies in Arabic and Sharia. I am not sure if i like more the fact that he is gone for a while or that he is not in Saudi Arabia. May be at the end he will see how far Salafism will bring people in Egypt. I think that there is nonevertheless quite a paranoia here in the west, i think with the ichuan one could live, they have proven to look for compromises, the Salafis have not shown such an effort yet.
January 23rd, 2012, 12:38 pm
Juergen said:
I like
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151257380030727&set=a.10150397575815727.619133.420796315726&type=1&theater
January 23rd, 2012, 12:39 pm
Tara said:
Jeurgen,
I don’t think Islam is the solution. We all can say that until we are blue in the face to no avail. I think interested society ought to try it to reach the same conclusion. As long as the Islamists come to power through fair and clean election and can be voted out. The danger I see is if once they get the power, they cling to it and becomes dictatorial.
January 23rd, 2012, 12:49 pm
jad said:
WMD of Iraq are now in Syria…….reading such oppositions comments make me sick!
Assad’s fall could solve Iraqi weapons mystery
“If Syria’s regime falls, the U.S. will be in a better position to answer one of the lingering questions from the long Iraq War: Did Baghdad ship weapons of mass destruction components to Syria before the 2003 American-led invasion?
An opposition leader tells The Washington Times that a new, secular democracy in Syria would allow outside inspectors to survey and ensure destruction of what is believed to be one of the largest stockpiles of chemical weapons in the Middle East.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/22/assads-fall-could-solve-iraqi-weapons-mystery/?page=all#pagebreak
January 23rd, 2012, 12:54 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Tara #13
I couldn’t agree more with what you said. Let them play. Now, the burden of proving capable is on the Islamists.
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January 23rd, 2012, 12:57 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Haytham Manna3 is delusional,watch this
January 23rd, 2012, 1:02 pm
Tara said:
Zoo
Funny Chinese prime minister. No? He visited a “cultural desert” for friendship not for business. Are we supposed to believe him?
January 23rd, 2012, 1:12 pm
Uzair8 said:
A nice little interactive feature on the individuals at the heart of the Mafia clan. Check it out.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/interactive/2012/01/201212391849968939.html
January 23rd, 2012, 1:21 pm
jad said:
3 parts showing how the Libyan scenario played and the stages it went through in the media and how is the same scenario with the same stages and lingo is used on Syria:
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Devil-ution from Libya to Syria P- 1 ???? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?????
http://youtu.be/zAhCaf4SQVs
Devil-ution from Libya to Syria P- 2 ???? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?????
http://youtu.be/AfnkAHgZDZg
Devil-ution from Libya to Syria P- 3 ???? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?????
http://youtu.be/Vw0_YudfFe8
January 23rd, 2012, 1:26 pm
Juergen said:
Tara
Thats not my agenda either, a friend of mine was in Cairo last week and he met some teachers of Al Azhar. The current grand sheikh is not liked not because Mubarak choosed him, but because he is seen as too liberal, some deak was made with MB that he serves just one term though. As soon as Egyptians will see that the Manna is not raining many will see that those islamic politicans will be as corrupt as others. I think Amir can tell us a story how many corruption charges there were with the ultraright wing jewish parties, they just arent saints.
January 23rd, 2012, 1:27 pm
jad said:
More stories about smuggling weapons to Syria, that will lead to a civil war nothing else:
Syrian exiles smuggling weapons, goods to revolutionaries
BEIRUT — Syrian dissidents based in Lebanon have stepped up efforts to help the opposition in their country by smuggling medicine, satellite phones, cameras and weapons into Syria – and refugees and injured fighters out.
From their safe houses in Beirut, Tripoli and the border village of Wadi Khaled, the dissidents remain in constant contact with activists inside Syria, as the bloody 10-month-old conflict devolves toward civil war.
“Because of the social media, because of the new ways to make a revolution, borders don’t matter anymore. We’re always in touch with the opposition inside. It’s a live community with an organic connection,” said “Mohammed,” a Syrian exile whose last name has been withheld to protect his safety.
“I could get myself smuggled back in, but I’m more useful here on this side because I help getting things inside.”
In Tripoli, the dissidents receive support from local associations such as Al-Bashaer, a Sunni group that openly opposes Syrian President Bashar Assad’s regime.
Al-Bashaer has donated clothes, medicine and money to hundreds of Syrian families in Tripoli, said Wassim Bashir, a spokesman for the group.
“We are as concerned as Syrians by the current situation,” Mr. Bashir said. “We have all suffered from this regime.”
Al-Bashaer also helps wounded Syrians smuggled across the border into Lebanon, he said, adding that one or two arrive every day.
The Lebanese government is aware of the smuggling activity, but officials refuse to acknowledge it publicly. The Lebanese government has set up a few checkpoints, but the army is too small to patrol effectively the 200-mile border with Syria.
Lebanon has long had a tense relationship with Syria, which occupied the country for nearly 30 years before leaving in 2005. Today, Syria and Iran exert influence through Hezbollah, a U.S.-designated terrorist group that dominates the Lebanese government.
One of the most active smuggling areas in Lebanon is the village of Wadi Khaled, nestled in hills about three miles from the Syrian border. Locals have long survived on agriculture and smuggling.
The trafficking usually has revolved around fuel and food, both cheaper on the Syrian side. But since the revolution started, shipments have changed. Now the black market in weapons is booming, and the prices of arms are skyrocketing, villagers say.
Assault rifles, shotguns and other weapons are sold to the Syria revolutionaries and smuggled into Syria on a regular basis. Since the outbreak of violence, the price of a Kalashnikov assault rifle has almost doubled to about $2,000, smugglers say.
Lebanese arms dealers sell their weapons to the highest bidders, and many now are Syrian revolutionaries who no longer believe in peaceful protests.
“We will prevail, not with the help of the international community but thanks to our own people and with guns,” said one Syrian dissident who identified himself only as Abdelhakim. “We will take our [freedom] back.”
Syria has reinforced security at the border by planting mines and posting additional troops. However, the Lebanese border remains porous, like Syria’s northern border with Turkey and southern border with Jordan.
Syrian opposition sources say they also are getting weapons from Turkey and Jordan.
The arms trafficking generally has been an ad hoc enterprise; but as the violence escalates in Syria, the trade is growing larger and more lucrative, locals say.
{…}
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/22/syrian-exiles-smuggling-weapons-goods-revolutionar/
January 23rd, 2012, 1:37 pm
Afram said:
http://youtu.be/KGUOe2SSnKE
January 23rd, 2012, 2:00 pm
jad said:
Are we going to see KSA forcing the Syrian opposition to start the dialogue in a way to get Syria out of this mess or is Qatar with its media are going to intensify the violence in support of a Libyan style ending:
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January 23rd, 2012, 2:03 pm
Revlon said:
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A statement from Eminent Arab Newscasters and journalists denouncing the international community for failing the Syrian Revolution.
22/01/2012
http://www.facebook.com/monasiqoon
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It is clear to us that the AL have been affording the Syrian regime tacit support and opportunities to survive the current crisis, even if it were on the expense of loss of life of Syrians.
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37 minutes ago
January 23rd, 2012, 2:08 pm
jad said:
The MBs are willing to accept studying the AL road map plan, if the MBs say yes, then the SNC will have no choice but to say yes:
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http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=143079
#29, as As’ad Abukhaleel wrote, it’s a universal conspiracy against both the Regime and the Oppositions…..tough luck for both sides’ radicals, the majority of Syrians will take over now.
January 23rd, 2012, 2:12 pm
Uzair8 said:
I like the following comment from an Al Arabiya opinion piece:
“We are aware that armed struggle was not the first choice of the Syrian revolution, which started as a peaceful uprising and remained so for several months. Yet, the brutality of the regime and the prevalence of violence and systematic killings were shocking to everyone following what is happening, including army officers themselves.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/views/2012/01/23/190050.html
Brutal violence was the first choice of the regime.
January 23rd, 2012, 2:19 pm
jad said:
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http://www.alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=data/2012/01/01-22/22qpt999.htm
January 23rd, 2012, 2:38 pm
sf94123 said:
The Syrian path downwards.
The unrest and ethnic fighting become permanent. It can last for years, destroying Syria as a state. It is similar to the situation in Sudan.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012/01/23/64407425.html
January 23rd, 2012, 2:54 pm
jad said:
Violence is not the answer:
Skh Bashir Kefah
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January 23rd, 2012, 3:06 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
The AL said they could not stop the regime brutal violence, they should have admited their failure. why didn’t they?
Why is Turkey so quiet?
Why the US is not putting pressure on Nouri AlMaliki?
Why Egypt is not supporting KSA position?
What was the official reaction of Russia to AL initiative.?
January 23rd, 2012, 3:20 pm
Juergen said:
A feature of Jürgen Todenhöfer, this freelance german writer who met with Assad and reported from Syria. Its more or less a feature about his life, and its worthwile because his stand is quite unique. He would say things like, we are the terrorists,not the muslim or arabic world dominates us.
Its in english:
http://mediacenter.dw-world.de/english/video/#!/377851/Talking_Germany
this is a german version:
January 23rd, 2012, 3:33 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
After I heard the AL decission yesterday night I had some faith in the future. I thought it was a good middle solution. Specially when generouly SNC accepted this solution after having suffered thousands of victims on the syrian opposition side.
But in a question of hours the Syria Assad Regime fastly destroyed any idea of peacfull solution by rejecting any agreement proposal by AL and by bringing back again the CONSPIRACY PARANOIA.
Now, I think it is clear, what was previously the so-called Assad Doctrine, ME OR CHAOS, should now be replaced by the ARAB SPRING DOCTRINE, which has probed to be a successfull one, WITHOUT YOU OR UNENDING REVOLUTION.
Now I see it clearer, Mr. Bashar Al Assad is finished. One month or ten years, but he is already gone.
January 23rd, 2012, 3:46 pm
Juergen said:
Sandro
I think not even optimists would give this regime a year.
January 23rd, 2012, 3:51 pm
Tara said:
Jad
Im regard to your earlier post, You are victimizing yourself again. I would not want you banned for your opinion. You are entitled to any opinion you choose to have. I would want you banned when you use a filthy language. Ever thought why anti-regime gals and guys miss certain people with opposite opinion? It is the way of communicating one’s opinion that begets respect or lack of it….
Above will conclude “this communication” with you as it is going nowhere and is becoming tiring.
January 23rd, 2012, 3:53 pm
defender said:
brilliant ! shortly i will be in your town to meet you !
January 23rd, 2012, 4:01 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
38. JUERGEN,
I do not know if you are syrian or have lived inside Syria for a long time or even if you write from inside Syria. But I just can tell that I know quite well the reality of the country from inside, the regime real structure and the day-by-day interaction between power-repression apparatus and people on the streets.
I think this regime can long under siege for years. Saddam did it from 1.991 until 2.004 and only US could pit him aside with tragic consequences. Gaddafi could stand for years too was it not for the massive military siege he suffered.
Some say a pesimist is just a well informed realist. I hope I am wrong but I am afraid the syrian regime was built with the clear idea of not letting anyone substitue it. Until now they have been succesfull. Only the people on Syria with a brilliant leader and international cooperation could subsititue this mafia regime before it is too late and most oppositors are underground (buried or in prison)
January 23rd, 2012, 4:07 pm
defender said:
Mr Jürgen Todenhöfer !
sorry!!! I am not right in relation to you!!! I ask the application!mey be i will in Berlin shortly i hope to meet you!
January 23rd, 2012, 4:16 pm
jad said:
As written before, Lebanon may become the victim of its own sick radical politicians, Alqaeda fighters are imported and multiplying allover the country:
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http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/kaiida-pb-61304482.htm
January 23rd, 2012, 4:24 pm
Afram said:
Russians Hawk Jets to Syria Regime
eat your heart out muslim terroristas
Russia has reached a deal to sell Bashar al-Assad’s regime three dozen Yak-130 fighter jets, a Syrian business newspaper reported today. The twin-engined jet is capable of attacking ground targets,Experts say the contract, which is reportedly worth $550 million, is a sign of Russia’s confidence that Assad will remain in power.
The sale comes despite an EU weapons embargo against Syria, which Russia has said it won’t cooperate with.
January 23rd, 2012, 4:38 pm
Juergen said:
Defender
Berlin will welcome you. If you look for Todenhöfer, you have to visit him in Munich. Here are his contact details:
Jürgen Todenhöfer
Thalkirchnerstr. 57
80337 München
Email: jtbuero(at)googlemail.com
Sandro
No i am German and I have lived in Syria only shortly, a couple of months at the most, usually i stay 2-4 weeks when i come. Sure you have a better picture of the day to day live in Syria, i depend very much on my experiences and some friends in the country.
I have some business friends and i do think that they could not live as Syrians lived under Hafez in the 90s now. I mean if you dont have much you dont want much either, if you are used to some luxury, you will surely miss it. I mean do you really think those business folks which make up an significant number of regime supporters will stand aside and let their chances go?
January 23rd, 2012, 4:40 pm
defender said:
45. JUERGEN
Vielen Dank! Gern!
January 23rd, 2012, 4:48 pm
irritated said:
#12. jad
The Saudis want to remain the leaders of the Arab Sunni countries and the only Arab favorite of the USA. Any competition in these two levels is not acceptable. I think the Saudis hate the Qataris and the Turks more than they hate Syrians because these are sunni countries who have the arrogance of influencing other Arab sunni countries into a ‘democratic’ islam and who are loved by the USA.
The Saudi fear the Iranians but they don’t see them as a competition first because they are Shias and not Sunnis and second because the USA hates them.
I am not surprised the Saudi will ignore the Qatari initiated plans. They’ll come with their own.
No wonder Bashar Al Assad counts on them to counter Turkey and Qatar.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:00 pm
Juergen said:
how much i love those salafi shaikhs
now they have issued an fatwa against SPONGEBOB!!!
January 23rd, 2012, 5:03 pm
irritated said:
31. Uzair8
There was a second peaceful choice instead of armed struggle for the opposition that Tunisia used and that we have not seen in Syria:
Self immolation.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:06 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
45. JUERGEN
No bussinesmen based on corrupt relationships (I calculate 95 % of them depend on knowledge of key corrupt officials and paid permissions and licences) or any corrupt-linked person will turn sides until the day the president falls. For the simple reason that nobody will believe, after 40 years, that the president has fallen until Bashar is really gone. And nobody will risk being seen by the regime as a traitor anti-Assad agent after getting beneffits from this corrupt regime, paying with prison and ruin for this mistake. Like it or not this are facts. Aleppine and Damascene middle and high classes have learnt to live with and from the status quo leaving aside values and ideologies. This is why change is so difficult. This is why change can bring chaos. This is why they will not cause Assad fall. And this is why Assad fall can only be provoked by a total economical failure and a widespread war against Damascus power centre. And this is not going to happen in 24 hours since Iran, China and Russia still play the game.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:20 pm
aldendeshe said:
3. aldendeshesaid:
“…..Mr Lavrov’s annual news conference on Wednesday was largely a critique of Western policies in Iran and Syria, which he said could lead to a spiral of violence….”
Mr. Lavrov, with due respect, Syrians will no longer live as serf, do something please.
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4 7
7 clickers clicked thumb down on this comment. 7 got a lot to lose, all the criminal life they lived robing and murduring Syrians is coming to end soon.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:24 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
49. IRRITATED
If you try to self inmolate in Syria you will be stopped before you light the fire by a ¨turmus¨ street seller, then send to interrogation to Kafr Sussa, then send to jail without trial, then torturated until you ask the guys to kill you. Self-inmolation is not possible in Syria, ¨THEY¨ will do the job for you with pleasure.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:27 pm
irritated said:
#35. majedkhaldoun
Let me try to reply
“The AL said they could not stop the regime brutal violence, they should have admited their failure. why didn’t they?”
Because they are not in Syria to stop violence but to report who is doing the violence and to prepare the ground for a dialos bewteen the government and the opposition as required by the AL initiative. They would no be stopped by violence.
“Why is Turkey so quiet?”
Because it is are amazed and confused by the incredible resilience of the Syrian regime. They are thinking now of how to dump the FSA because supporting it is triggring increasing accusations. Arab countries are loosing the trust they had on Turkey because they see them interfering in arab matters, so Turkey prefers to shut up and wait.
“Why the US is not putting pressure on Nouri AlMaliki?”
Because the US supports democratically elected Al Maliki in trying to put order in the chaos they left. Also Al Maliki can play a role as an intermediate with Iran
“Why Egypt is not supporting KSA position?”
Because Egypt does not want KSA to own it and the military are not happy with the financial support that it is giving to the islamists in Egypt. They secretly admire Syria’s economical independence when they have to beg from the IMF and international organizations to avoid a collapse of their economy.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:27 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
45. JUERGEN
No bussinesmen based on corrupt relationships (I calculate 95 % of them depend on knowledge of key corrupt officials and paid permissions and licences) or any corrupt-linked person will turn sides until the day the president falls. For the simple reason that nobody will believe, after 40 years, that the president has fallen until Bashar is really gone. And nobody will risk being seen by the regime as a traitor anti-Assad agent after getting beneffits from this corrupt regime, paying with prison and ruin for this mistake. Like it or not this are facts. Aleppine and Damascene middle and high classes have learnt to live with and from the status quo leaving aside values and ideologies. This is why change is so difficult. This is why change can bring chaos. This is why they will not cause Assad fall. And this is why Assad fall can only be provoked by a total economical failure and a widespread war against Damascus power centre. And this is not going to happen in 24 hours since Iran, China and Russia still play the game.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:29 pm
irritated said:
Sandro Loewe
“Self-inmolation is not possible in Syria”
Your explanation is not convincing as there has not been one single attempt. There must be another reason.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:31 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
IRRITATED,
All prisoners in jail are self-inmolators. Challenging the regime is a way of self-inmolation since by bullet or by torture dead is the most probable result. Syrians who took the streets peacefully from 15th march were potential self-inmolators, and many self-inmolated for freedom and dignity under regime discrectional fire.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:44 pm
Observer said:
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This is an excerpt from the editorial today by Atwan in Al Quds please check the whole article as he describes the political movements around the crisis in Syria but this paragraph encapsulates the stupidity of the regime in dealing with the issue in one dimension. Today 150 000 went out in Douma at the funeral of 12 killed yesterday by the regime.
January 23rd, 2012, 5:45 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
OBSERVER,
Good article,
The Assad Regime has nothing to offer, nothing to negotiate. They simply do not know what negotiate means. The only tool they know is repression and fear and when it does not work then kill and torture. All said.
January 23rd, 2012, 6:11 pm
Juergen said:
Uzair
Do you know a man called Salim Spohr?
January 23rd, 2012, 6:21 pm
Juergen said:
Just got word out of Mar Mousa that Father Paolo is still among his congregation.
January 23rd, 2012, 6:24 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
5. MJABALI
Your exposition is nice but something fails when you get your conclusion that diallogue is the only possible way.
1) The AL has asked Mr. Assad to seat on th table with opposition to create a national union government, and he fastly burnt bridges.
2) Assad has rejected from the beginning any negotiation with real oppositors by calling the conspirators and terrorists.
January 23rd, 2012, 6:38 pm
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January 23rd, 2012, 7:21 pm
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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/33447
January 23rd, 2012, 7:28 pm
ann said:
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French Bill’s Passage Sparks Turkish Anger – JANUARY 23, 2012, 7:23 P.M.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204624204577179311508730928.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
PARIS—Turkey vowed to take reprisals against France after the French Senate approved a bill making it a crime to deny that the massacre of Armenians in 1915 was genocide, further straining relations between Paris and Ankara and raising the prospect of a significant diplomatic rift between the two North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies.
The bill, which France’s lower house of Parliament overwhelmingly approved in December, was passed Monday by a vote of 127 to 86. It will require President Nicolas Sarkozy’s signature in the next 15 days in order to become law.
The proposal is set to make the denial of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes that are recognized by French law punishable by up to a year in prison and a €45,000 ($58,143) fine. The only two mass killings recognized by French law as genocide are the killing of Armenians during World War I and the Holocaust. Denying the Holocaust is already illegal in France.
The news fueled outrage in Turkey, which accused France of flouting international law and pledged to “take every step” to counter the “irresponsible” decision. “In case of the completion of the finalization process for the law, we will not hesitate to implement, as we deem appropriate, the measures that we have considered in advance,” the Turkish foreign ministry said.
Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was set to address his ruling AK Party on Tuesday in Ankara, where he is expected to detail his government’s response, Turkish television reported.
Ankara reacted furiously when the lower house passed the bill last month, withdrawing its ambassador from Paris and freezing political and military relations.
Armenia praised the move, stressing that the day would “be written in gold in the history of friendship between the Armenian and French peoples, but also in the annals of the history of the protection of human rights world-wide.”
While many countries recognize the killing of as many as 1.5 million Armenians in 1915 as genocide, Turkey contests the scale of the losses and says they were casualties of war. It argues the genocide issue should be left to historians to decide, rather than legislated by governments.
Relations between the two countries were already frosty, in large part due to Mr. Sarkozy’s vocal opposition to Turkey’s bid to join the European Union.
Turkey’s government has repeatedly insisted that the bill is politically motivated, alleging Mr. Sarkozy was trying to win the votes of 500,000 ethnic Armenians in France ahead of presidential elections in three months.
Turkey’s top politicians took to the airwaves on Monday ahead of the vote to build pressure on Paris. Prime Minister Erdogan vowed to never visit France again if the bill was passed, stressing that the proposal “violates freedom of speech and is only a ploy for the coming elections in France in May to get the Armenian vote.”
The sternest warning came from Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, who said the government was ready to take new measures if the bill passed. The foreign minister also decided to stay away from a Brussels meeting on Syria with the EU foreign ministers on Monday, signaling that the dispute could spread beyond Paris to affect broader EU ties.
EU-candidate country Turkey can’t impose economic sanctions on France, because of its membership in the World Trade Organization and customs-union agreement with Europe. But the row could cost France profitable bilateral business contracts and would fuel diplomatic tension as Turkey takes an increasingly influential role in the Middle East.
As the seven-hour debate got under way Monday, rival pro-Turkish and pro-Armenian protests gathered outside the upper chamber in Paris, separated by a cordon of police.
Before Mr. Sarkozy signs the bill into law, it can still be challenged if lawmakers request a review by the country’s constitutional council.
Some lawmakers argue that the text could be regarded as unconstitutional, as the Armenian genocide has never been recognized by an international or French court. That means the French law on the Armenian genocide could be considered tantamount to legislating on history, possibly impeding on historical research, critics said.
In 2001, the French Parliament voted to officially recognize the Armenian genocide of 1915. Since then, French lawmakers have made two unsuccessful attempts to pass bills making denial of the genocide illegal. The most recent text was deemed unconstitutional and rejected by the country’s Senate last May.
Armenians say as many as 1.5 million Armenians were systematically killed during World War I in today’s eastern Turkey, which was then part of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey denies the allegations and says hundreds of thousands died in warfare and famine, and that many Turks were also killed by Armenians.
January 23rd, 2012, 7:54 pm
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January 23rd, 2012, 7:59 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
I am sure Bashar will be more isolated,following AL initiative,Iraq supported AL initiative, and Russia can not go back and retract their previous support to a plan similar to Yemen plan,how could Russia veto such decision in SC while they asked for such plan
Bashar has not sent his response yet, I suspect that Farooq Shar3 will decline the offer, and withdraw from his job,and Bashar will appoint another V.P. soon,who will be this man? is it possible he will appoint his brother?
January 23rd, 2012, 7:59 pm
ann said:
Turkey reduces diplomatic presence in France
By REUTERS
01/24/2012 01:56
PARIS – Turkey’s ambassador to France said on Monday Ankara may reduce its diplomatic presence in Paris to charge d’affaires and said the decision to pass a law making the denial of genocide illegal would rupture relations between the two NATO allies.
Asked if he would be returning to Turkey after the vote was announced, Tahsin Burcuoglu told reporters: “Most probably. It will be diplomacy on charge d’affaires (level), not embassies.”
Charge d’affaires is the lowest rank of diplomatic representative recognized under the Vienna convention on diplomatic relations.
Burcuoglu said Turkey would never accept such a law. “You can imagine everything and anything because it’s a sensitive issue for Turkey. Now everybody will pay some price including Turkey, France and Armenia,” he told reporters.
January 23rd, 2012, 8:02 pm
Ghufran said:
This is the time for mediators to seek reps from communities and groups that are unwilling to see the SNC and the islamists capture every aspect of public life in Syria. I do not buy the theory that there are no patriotic Syrians who are not happy with the regime but are also not satisfied with the SNC. People who are talking freedom and democracy must put their actions where their mouth is. A transitional government will not replace elections but prepare for elections that meet international standards with observers from countries that have democratic tradition not countries like Qatar and KSA. Russia in particular must make it clear to the regime that the game of buying time is over. I sense that Bashar supporters may finally be willing to accept the new reality and put Syria’s long term interest ahead of pride and ideological gesturing.
The army and community leaders must respect the will of people,all people,not just the regime or the SNC,I see no exit out as long as hardliners have the upper hand and the army remains hesitant to do the right thing,it is either now or never.
January 23rd, 2012, 8:12 pm
Tara said:
Is KSA and Qatar are going to buy Chinese veto?
Situation in Syria grave: Cabinet
By ARAB NEWS
Published: Jan 24, 2012 01:51 Updated: Jan 24, 2012 01:51
RIYADH: Saudi Arabia said Monday that the situation in Syria is extremely grave and urged all parties to take their historic responsibility to the people in the country seriously.
The Kingdom’s statement came at the weekly meeting of the Council of Ministers at Yamamah Palace in Riyadh on Monday. Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah chaired the meeting.
“The Kingdom pulled its observers because the Syrian government did not comply with any of the Arab solutions intended to end the bloodshed,” Minister of Social Affairs Yousuf Al-Othaimin, who is also acting minister of culture and information, said in a statement on the discussions.
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The council authorized the minister of petroleum and mineral resources to negotiate with China on a modified protocol draft for cooperation in petroleum, gas and minerals sectors.
Read more:
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article567234.ece
January 23rd, 2012, 8:17 pm
jad said:
After today’s Ali Farzat call to ‘burn the president’, it seems that the assassination is on the table and what is making Syria stand together so far is the Syrian Army.
This whole political situation in the region is like Lebanon in the late 70s allover again. I hope that I’m wrong but it seems that the situation is going toward a bloody escalation by many sides.
Allah Ye7mi kil al souriyeen!
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January 23rd, 2012, 8:18 pm
Ghufran said:
Farouk Alsharaa will only take the offer if Bashar agrees,but even if Bashar says yes,Maher and Asef are not likely to accept, the regime will prefer to sacrify Bashar to save the regime assuming that there will be a division inside the royal family which may not be true. An outsider with support inside the army may have a better chance of ending this situation but this move will undoubtedly trigger an armed confrontation, with the republican guards taking Maher’s side. A friend who has some knowledge of secretive interrelations in the royal family thinks it is unlikely that the Assad family will split,and if he is right,we are only left with two options: a coup or a surprise move by Bashar. Bashar’s history and personality make it unlikely that he will stand against his own family.
January 23rd, 2012, 8:28 pm
Tara said:
Russia appears ready to sell Bashar in a public auction.
Russia: ‘We Can Do No More’ for Syria
Moscow has reached its limit and says it can “do no more” to help Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad remain in power.
By Chana Ya’ar
First Publish: 1/24/2012, 12:15 AM
ITAR-TASS/Russian Federation
Moscow has reached its limit and says it can “do no more” to help Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad remain in power.
Senior Russian lawmaker Mikhail Margelov said Moscow’s veto of a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Assad’s savage crackdown on dissidents, together with China, with the “last instrument” possible to keep Assad in office.
“This veto has exhausted our arsenal of such resources,” Margelov was quoted as saying Monday by Russia’s Itar-Tass news agency. However, Russia signed an arms deal with Damascus the same day, agreeing to supply 36 fighter jets to the Assad regime.
more…
January 23rd, 2012, 8:35 pm
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January 23rd, 2012, 8:51 pm
irritated said:
64. ann
No more Ghalioun and his band in Antalya or Istanbul’s hotels.
Next will be Doha Palace or Dustbin Palace?
January 23rd, 2012, 8:54 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Ghufran
If something happen to Bashar who will be president?
January 23rd, 2012, 8:56 pm
irritated said:
MajedalKhaldoon
“is it possible he will appoint his brother?”
Why not? It’s a good idea. That shouldn’t be a problem for the Qatari and the Saudi who have their family all over the government.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:00 pm
irritated said:
Sandro Loewe
“Challenging the regime is a way of self-inmolation since by bullet or by torture dead is the most probable result.”
Totally different… Self immolation is a peaceful act of despair, challenging the security forces is an act of provocation whose consequence could be the death of others.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:05 pm
irritated said:
#60. Juergen
“Just got word out of Mar Mousa that Father Paolo is still among his congregation.”
So what was the big media propaganda and fuss about?
January 23rd, 2012, 9:10 pm
Son of Damascus said:
Irritated,
How about Bashar declare himself Caesar, it is a much nicer title than King don’t you think?
Although with his lisp, I would imagine caesar to be tough for him to pronounce. At the very least Makhlouf could bank role a movie about it, The Caesars Speech.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:10 pm
Tara said:
Unfortunately, Bashar is not smart enough to realize that his end is approaching. Had he been intelligent enough, he would’ve started working on an exit strategy to save his own life, and the life of his loved ones. I almost started feeling bad for him and I am not being sarcastic. He was thrown into a position that he was not fit to handle. He mishandled the country and he mishandled the crisis. He was not smart enough to see through the crisis and it showed. It is not his fault that he was not inherently intelligent. Late Hafez committed a serious crime against his son by throwing him into this position. Bashar made one mistake after the other, one bad prediction after the other until the crisis got completely out of his hand. He is probably being held hostage to the hawks in his family, and in turn he held most Alawis hostage to his reign. His father started the process and he just followed his path. The father managed to deprive the sect from it’s identity brsinwahing most into personality cult and turning them against other Syrians. Bashar supposedly married a smart women but unfortunately Asma was also not smart enough or effective enough. She did a good job convincing the western media of not to continue isolating Syria until the crisis hit. The brutality Bashar showed handling the crisis was not predictable to those who personally knew him. I don’t really think he was evil, I think he was just not fit…
January 23rd, 2012, 9:15 pm
zoo said:
Is Turkey’s economic miracle about to fade away?
Patrick Cockburn
Sunday, 22 January 2012
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/patrick-cockburn-is-turkeys-economic-miracle-about-to-fade-away-6292806.html#
While its neighbours stumble, the country that is a role model for Islamic democracy could become a victim of overconfidence
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Is Turkey about to pay a price for the overconfidence bred by a decade that brought it triumphant success while its neighbours suffered decline or disaster?
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it is lauded worldwide as a moderate Islamic state which ought to be the role model for Arab Spring countries.
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Excessive belief in their (Greece and Ireland) own booms produced disastrous economic bubbles.
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Will Turkey be similarly damaged by myths about its own recent success? Some experts there fear so. Atilla Yesilada, an economic consultant at Istanbul Analytics, part of Globalsource, says: “It is as if the entire nation is hypnotised and drugged into believing we are unique and we have created our own successful economic model.” He suspects that Turkey is about to be hit by a devastating credit crunch. “Our belief in our own invulnerability means that the ultimate crash will be all the worse when it comes,” he says.
The Turkish economic miracle depended on the inflow of foreign capital, and this may soon stop… She warns: “Turkey is playing a risky game.”
In foreign policy Turkey may likewise have seen the high tide and the turn. Twenty years ago it was ringed by hostile countries, but by 2009 these had largely become friends. Turkey was becoming an important influence in Iraq and Syria and other parts of the Middle East. It was a close ally of Bashar al-Assad of Syria and friendly with Muammar Gaddafi in Libya. Trade followed the flag. “Turkish companies are even collecting the garbage in Baghdad and Basra,” an Iraqi friend said last year.
The sort of moderately Islamic democracy the Arab Spring protesters were demanding sounded very like what Turkey had already achieved. The Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, received an ecstatic reception in Egypt where he astonished many Turks – and dismayed Egyptian Islamists – by praising the virtues of the secular state even for committed Muslims such as himself.
Mr Erdogan’s government likes to bet on winners.
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With Syria, Turkey has been much less successful. Indeed, Soli Ozel, a lecturer in international relations at Kadir Has University in Istanbul, says flatly that “Turkey’s Syria policy is an abject failure”. He argues that it has ended up with having no leverage in Damascus and took excessive offence over being misled by the Syrian government over the latter’s willingness to compromise. “Not to have a decent dialogue with the regime puts you at a disadvantage,” he says.
As with the economy, overconfidence led to serious mistakes. At first, Turkey wrongly imagined it had enough influence in Damascus to get President Assad to implement serious reforms, share power with his opponents, or even step down. It then became clear that the Syrian leadership had no intention of doing this and was simply muddying the waters and stringing the Turks along.
In Iraq, Turkey has a significant but still limited presence. It has, rather remarkably given their past hostility, good relations with the Iraqi Kurdish leaders, more fearful these days of Baghdad than of Ankara. But in Iraq as a whole, Turkey has expended a lot diplomatic energy without getting great benefits. Its main success has been commercial: Iraq is its biggest export market after Germany.
Turkey helped to set up the opposition party to the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, during the last parliamentary election. Not surprisingly he was not pleased and criticised Turkey for meddling. “What have the Turks gained in Iraq for all their efforts?” a senior Iraqi official asked me last year. “They have a few politicians in their pocket, but nothing else.”
January 23rd, 2012, 9:18 pm
Ghufran said:
Majed,
It depends on who removes Bashar,but the truth is nobody knows. My own opinion is that if he is removed by his own circle,unlikely,Asef Shawkat will be Syria’s ruler for a while,but if Bashar is removed by an outsider,a military council will rule Syria and keep certain figures in their position until elections are held.
Despite the shortcomings of Egypt’s transition,I still prefer it over Libya,in my own assessment,Libya will go through another civil war.
Our blogmates who support Bashar,a support I respect but disagree with,will insist that the only solution is keeping Bashar to lead a transitional period,I do not think he can do it even if he wants to.
The buttom line is,my dear Syrian brothers and sisters,is that Syria needs a new leadership and a new thinking that is tolerant and inclusive. My main concern is not the MB or even the army loyalists,it is those rogue armed elements from both sides that were responsible for much of the killing that took place,those elements have an interest in keeping the situation fluid and unstable,they enjoy new power and new money. Those of you who are now celebrating violent acts against average Syrians,who may or may not be guilty,will have to confront a new force that is far worse than regular regime forces,mark my words.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:20 pm
zoo said:
Failed treasury auction portends Egyptian disaster
By Spengler
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NA24Ak02.html
Investors bought less an a third of the 3.5 billion Egyptian pounds (US$580 million) worth of Treasury bills offered to the market on January 22, a red flag warning that Egypt’s foreign exchange position is close to the brink.
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Egypt faces a disaster of biblical proportions, and the world will do nothing about it. Officially, Egypt’s foreign exchange reserves fell by half during 2011, including a $2.4 billion decline during December – from $36 billion to $18 billion, or about four months of imports.
But the situation almost certainly is worse than that. More than $4 billion left the country during December, estimates Royal Bank of Scotland economist Raza Agha, noting that the December drop in reserves was cushioned by a $1 billion loan from the Egyptian army and a $1 billion sale of dollar-denominated treasury bills.
The rush out of the Egyptian pound is so rapid that Egyptian investors refuse to hold debt in their own national currency, even at a 16% yield. After Islamist parties won more three-quarters of the seats in recent parliamentary elections – 47% for the Muslim Brotherhood and 25% for the even more extreme al-Nour Party – the business elite that prospered under military rule is counting the days before exile.
The first reports of actual hunger in provincial Egyptian towns, meanwhile, are starting to trickle in through Arab-language press and blog reports. A shortage of gasoline accompanied by long queues at filling stations and panic buying was widely reported last week.
In some towns, for example Luxor in Upper Egypt, the disappearance of diesel fuel shut down bakeries, exacerbating the spot shortages of bread.
(…)
January 23rd, 2012, 9:21 pm
jad said:
On the subject of executing the president, yesterday at the AL conference a strange and stupid comments came from supposedly the highest diplomats of the AL. If such a comment to come out of any EU politician mouth the media will go nuts against it:
Alarabi answering a comment by a reporter:
Reporter: The Syrian people want to execute the president.
Alarabi: Please, go ahead! Execute him! What can we do to you!
Hamad: Who is stopping you? Did we stop you?
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http://youtu.be/aJFg8aW9ipg?t=35s
January 23rd, 2012, 9:32 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Ghufran
I was talking ,let us say a bomb exploded and no one knows who did it, and he get killed,or became invalid,I do not think anyone from his family will do it.
would it be Farooq Shar3 ,or who? are we going to see his brother inaugurated soon,next day.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:37 pm
irritated said:
#SOD
Famous people with a lisp:
– Winston Churchill (lisp, cluttering, stutter)
– Thomas Jefferson (lisp)
– Bashar Al Assad (lisp)
January 23rd, 2012, 9:37 pm
irritated said:
85. majedkhaldoun
There would be blood bath in Syria.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:38 pm
zoo said:
Where is BABA NATO?
Pro-Gaddafi forces capture Bani Walid, 5 NTC troops killed – report
Published: 23 January, 2012, 20:23
http://rt.com/news/libya-new-civil-war-489/print/
Fighters loyal to late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi have clashed with revolutionary forces in the former-regime stronghold of Bani Walid, taking control of the city in the process.
The head of Libya’s National Transitional Council Mustafa Abdel Jalil today warned of the threat of another civil war.
At least five NTC troops were killed and 30 others injured in the violence, Interfax reports.
M’barek al-Fotmani, a local official, says the pro-Gaddafi rebels who seized control of Bani Walid were using heavy weaponry including 106mm anti-tank weapons.
He also said that authorities called for help when the attack began, but the NTC did not send any troops.
“There are between 100 and 150 men armed with heavy weapons who are attacking. We have asked for the army to intervene, but the Defense Ministry and NTC have let us down,” he told Agence France Press.
(..)
January 23rd, 2012, 9:45 pm
jad said:
LOLOL
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http://youtu.be/aHvYgxqucmI
January 23rd, 2012, 9:48 pm
Ghufran said:
I hope that Syrians understand that violence will trigger more violence. If Bashar was the target of an assassination,something I vigorously oppose,his supporters will automatically blame the opposition and the chances of a peaceful solution,or a less bloody solution,become unattainable,then a hawkish figure,not alsharaa,will take over and start using every weapon in his disposal to pacify any opposition. Maher,to my knowledge, is more likely to lead behind the scenes in such condition,he will ask Asef to take the throne. Regardless of how you feel about Bashar,using violence against him is not in Syria’s best interest,it will speed the marsh towards civil war.
January 23rd, 2012, 9:52 pm
Son of Damascus said:
Irritated,
Winston Churchill: Led the Allies in WWII, was one of the greatest orators of the english language, was Democratically elected, is remembered in history as one of the greatest statesmen.
Thomas Jefferson: One of the founding fathers of the USA, one of the co-authors of the Declaration of independence, and third President of the United States.
Bashar AlAssad: inherited his presidency, used Syria as his personal playground, reacted like my 2 year old nephew when asked to share, and is blaming everything and everyone but himself for the conundrum that he has placed our country in.
I don’t know what you are trying to accomplish comparing betho to Churchill, or Jefferson. He has not accomplished and will never accomplish anything remotely close to what the first two gentlemen you mentioned.
Bashars claim to fame is inheriting his power, and butchering his people when they dared to speak out against him.
Here is a better comparison in my opinion:
1 Saddam
2 Muammar
3. Bahsar
Guess what they will all have in common?
January 23rd, 2012, 9:59 pm
jad said:
Many SNC members on their FB sites are backing the MBs decision, they are supporting the AL roadmap plan not because it may save Syrian lives and go forward, NO, because according the them the regime will refuse it!!
It’s shortsighted taking a decision not out of conviction but out of speculation that the other side will refuse, what if the other side accept, would they refuse it later?
Saving Syrian lives not scoring points is what matters at the moment.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:00 pm
Ghufran said:
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January 23rd, 2012, 10:01 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Is Maher in good term with Asef?
Saleh in Yemen ,there was an attempt to kill him,there was no blood bath,or civil warHitler was subject to assassination, and so Abraham Lincoln,this is not rare in history.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:04 pm
zoo said:
The Arab League’s potent sting has stunned Damascus
Phil Sands Jan 24, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/the-arab-leagues-potent-sting-has-stunned-damascus?pageCount=0
Bashar Al Assad’s regime thought it had neutralised the threat posed by other Arab states and their monitors. It was wrong, Phil Sands, Foreign Correspondent, reports
DAMASCUS // A month after Arab League observers arrived in Syria, the authorities in Damascus believed they had blunted any threat posed by the mission – and the league – to Bashar Al Assad’s rule.
On Sunday night, that belief was demolished when Arab foreign ministers, led by Qatar and Saudi Arabia, lined up behind a timetabled plan aimed at removing the president from power.
According to the blueprint, the Syrian regime and the opposition should sit down for league-mediated talks within two weeks. Within two months, Mr Al Assad would be required to transfer power to his moderate, politically astute deputy, Farouk Al Shara, who would work with a national unity government to draft a new constitution and arrange free and fair presidential elections.
“The new Arab initiative adopted by the foreign ministers envisages the peaceful departure of the Syrian regime,” said the Qatari premier Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani. He said it was similar to the deal in Yemen, which resulted in Ali Abdullah Saleh stepping down as president.
….
That press conference was not broadcast on Syrian television.
….
Public response from the Syrian authorities has so far been limited to angry denunciation of interference in its internal affairs and charges of hypocrisy against other unelected Arab leaders.
Walid Moallem, Syria’s long-serving foreign minister, is due to hold a news conference this afternoon in which he is expected to announce what concrete actions Damascus will take. One possibility is to end co-operation with the monitors and suspend its dealings with the League.
What he will certainly not be announcing is that Mr Al Assad will accept the league’s plan and prepare for his own departure.
In his most recent speech to the nation earlier this month, the Syrian president made it clear he would fight on. He had heavily criticised the Arab League but also said he was willing to cooperate with the group.
Now, however, Arab foreign ministers are moving much farther and faster than he is prepared to accept. A constitutional committee created by the Syrian president as part of his reform programme has said it is still “too early” to talk about limiting presidential terms of office – let alone entertaining the idea of Mr Al Assad’s no longer ruling the country.
Similarly, officials have hinted that they will establish a national unity government of some kind, but even very moderate critics of the regime – those denounced by activists as “tame opposition” – have not been invited to take part.
“The Arabs have run out of patience with Assad once and for all. They have made their final decision on this. They want him gone,” said a Syrian analyst.
“The Syrian regime thought it had outsmarted the Arab League but the opposite has happened and it is running out of room for manoeuvre.
“It is still much too soon to say the regime is finished but its chances of surviving the uprising have just dropped very significantly.”
January 23rd, 2012, 10:07 pm
irritated said:
#SOD
“Guess what they will all have in common?”
Two “a’ in their names?
January 23rd, 2012, 10:09 pm
jad said:
It’s all about Iran:
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http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionId=2058&ChannelId=48920&ArticleId=2126
January 23rd, 2012, 10:12 pm
irritated said:
#92 Jad
I am surprised that the SNC accepted the plan as they may find themselves forced into a dialog with the regime hardliners when they systematically refused a dialog with Bashar Al Assad.
If some countries consider that Bashar al Assad is not the legitimate president of Syria, why are they keeping the Syrian embassies operating in their country? They should expel them, no? As Syria rejected the plan, the UNSC can’t do much as Syria’s government is legitimate and recognized worldwide
China and Russia will veto any resolution blatantly intervening in a country affairs, especially that the Libya’s NATO “success” is transforming into a new nightmare for the UN.
Ultimately the Arab League will be obliged to negotiate and change the plan…
January 23rd, 2012, 10:34 pm
Ghufran said:
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January 23rd, 2012, 10:34 pm
irritated said:
(Edited for hateful comments)
That is not rare either.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:40 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Ehsani
We missed you
January 23rd, 2012, 10:41 pm
Aldendeshe said:
3. aldendeshe said:
“…..Mr Lavrov’s annual news conference on Wednesday was largely a critique of Western policies in Iran and Syria, which he said could lead to a spiral of violence….”
Mr. Lavrov, with due respect, Syrians will no longer live as serf, do something please.
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6 12
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12 sadistic Baathist lover, who enjoys torturing children and killing own people, robbing teh nation left me 12 thumb downs.
YOUR DAYS IS COMING, JUDJEMENT IS COMING, JUST WAIT A LITTLE.
YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU WILL NOT HIDE, WILL FIND YOU AND THE CASH YOU STASHED. GET READY FOR : MAHKAMAT MIN AINA LAKA HATHA.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:47 pm
son of Damascus said:
irritated,
Had I asked what they do have in common you would be correct, my question was what will they have in common.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:50 pm
Ghufran said:
Majed,
The analogy is wrong,I think most readers here would agree.
I am not an expert on the royal family,I heard that the rift between Maher and Asef is a thing of the past after Asef married Bushra and won the trust of Bashar and the late Hafez Alassad. There is a lot to say about Asef background,some even doubt that he has clear alawi roots,but that is not relevant and I could not care less,what is more relevant is that Asef has certain personality characteristics that qualify him,in the eyes of the inner regime circle,to lead. He also seems to have a lot of support among the non Qirdahi officers.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:51 pm
Son of Damascus said:
Irritated,
Had I asked what they DO have in common you would be correct, I asked what WILL they have in common.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:53 pm
jna said:
92. jadsaid: Many SNC members on their FB sites are backing the MBs decision, they are supporting the AL roadmap plan… https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=13191&cp=2#comment-292446
Good news. Now let’s see if the Assad regime will reciprocate and begin dialogue with Opposition to implement the plan.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:53 pm
ann said:
*** GOOD NEWS FOR THE ISLAMIST TERRORISTS WAITING FOR NATO TO
*** INVADE, DESTROY, AND CARVE OUT SYRIA INTO PIECES FOR YOU.
IMF’s Lagarde urges Europe to act to avoid depression-era collapse of the economy – January 24, 2012
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wall-street-journal/imfs-lagarde-urges-europe-to-act-to-avoid-depression-era-collapse-in-demand/story-fnay3ubk-1226251899280
THE global economy faces a depression-era collapse in demand if Europe doesn’t quickly act to dramatically boost the size of its debt crisis firewall, implement pro-growth policies and further integrate the eurozone, the head of the International Monetary Fund warned overnight.
“It is about avoiding a 1930s moment, in which inaction, insularity, and rigid ideology combine to cause a collapse in global demand,” IMF managing director Christine Lagarde said in prepared remarks before the German Council of Foreign Affairs in Berlin. “A moment, ultimately, leading to a downward spiral that could engulf the entire world,” she said.
January 23rd, 2012, 10:56 pm
ann said:
*** THIS FAT HYPOCRITE LOSER IS THREATENING TO AGGRAVATE
*** THE SITUATION INSIDE SYRIA
Situation in Syria grave: Cabinet – Jan 24, 2012
http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article567234.ece
RIYADH: Saudi Arabia said Monday that the situation in Syria is extremely grave and urged all parties to take their historic responsibility to the people in the country seriously.
The Kingdom’s statement came at the weekly meeting of the Council of Ministers at Yamamah Palace in Riyadh on Monday. Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah chaired the meeting.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:24 pm
Aldendeshe said:
*** GOOD NEWS FOR THE ISLAMIST TERRORISTS WAITING FOR NATO TO
*** INVADE, DESTROY, AND CARVE OUT SYRIA INTO PIECES FOR YOU.
Well thank you for that prayer Anny, how sweet of ya. Can’t wait to see if it will ever come true. NATO destroy Baathism, like it did another sadistic Baathist killer Saddam and carve out Syria for us. That is a dream come true. Finally, just finally @59 years of age, I get a chance to get my land back and not only that, a piece of Syria for me. That is a whole lot more than what Baathist Assad gave us, he took everything, all the land, the entire country, every means to make a living was in his Baathist hand and his criminal mafia property. We could not even leave the country, get married, enter school, nothing, I mean nothing at all. On top of it all, Syrians had to be serf for his Baathist/ Alawite Shia State. About time millions of Sunni Moslems are freed from the shakles to a diabolic slavery of a shia clown and puppet.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:24 pm
ann said:
109. Aldendeshe said:
What does Aldendeshe mean in English? is it Blacksmith?
January 23rd, 2012, 11:28 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: ANN
RE: “…what does Aldendeshe mean in English?…”
(edited for personal attack)
January 23rd, 2012, 11:36 pm
aldendeshe said:
@ANN
It is a derivative of this family name in the link below. In Hebrew DANDASHI(T) means “Dandy Person” who cares about his appearance and attires (clothing). In older neighborhood of Homs they call it DANDASHLI, which also means decoration, the name stuck from Ottoman times because the Dandashi used to elaborately decorate their horses in gaudy way like the Bostat in Syria nowadays still do.
http://files.usgwarchives.net/special/family/dandashi.txt
ARE YOU READY TO FLIP? YOU GET TO KEEP SOME CASH AND YOUR HOME IF YOU DO NOW.
January 23rd, 2012, 11:42 pm
ann said:
dale (i’m not jewish) anderson
our chosen one natural born loser!
how’s our village idiot today?
still suffering from loneliness I see!
January 23rd, 2012, 11:45 pm
ann said:
112. aldendeshe said:
“””ARE YOU READY TO FLIP? YOU GET TO KEEP SOME CASH AND YOUR HOME IF YOU DO NOW.”””
I don’t own a house or cash in Syria. Was that why you changed sides?
How many IDs do you own on SC?
January 23rd, 2012, 11:50 pm
Husam said:
Dear WWS:
…from last thread.
Thanks for taking the time to write back, I am glad that all what I wrote did not go in vain on 7ee6an. What I don’t like from the hardcore anti-regime camp is isqat elnizam now and ask questions later.
Good comments get fuzzied by cut/paste mile long articles and by personal attacks on SC. There are a few characters that love nothing more than showing there 3adalat hiding behind a computer screen calling people names.
I get excited like everyone else for a new beginning, but unfortunately, the reality is Bashar isn’t going anywhere soon, the street & FSA is not retreating in a million years, and no they can’t sit peacefully and talk over tea. Syria has entered a dark period of many years of civil strife, blood, and fighting 7arah/7arah Lebanese style (look at the blog here and you get my drift).
Re: Jad, various people tried to get the goodness back into him, but they failed. There is no point, if he wants to be left alone, so be it. The owners of this blog, have left people have dog fights and eat each other…so you are really in zoo with no chains. On 7ee6an, they let one loose too…
January 23rd, 2012, 11:58 pm
jad said:
Irritated,
The moment the MB announced that they may accept the plan, the SNC members started to give their support, will see how things go for them.
SNC, reminds me of the national front in Syria where the members blindly repeat what the Baath party tell them to say without reasoning their decision.
I’m still waiting to hear an official statement from the NCB regarding the AL plan, Mr. Manna3 in his interview on BBC wasn’t clear in his position, he only said that he thinks the plan is in the right direction without any elaboration.
JNA
I personally don’t think that the regime have any political power left to reject this plan, unless it wants the civil war and chaos as a way out.
I think the regime will be forced by its international supporters to accept or else, which should be a ‘good news’ as you put it, let’s just hope that the oppositions don’t change their minds when the regime accept (IF it does).
This bloody struggle needs an end before violence destroy the ‘State’ elements and foundations, reason must prevail.
January 24th, 2012, 12:00 am
zoo said:
‘Qatar isolated, not Assad’: Arab League extends Syria mission
Alistair Crooke (video)
23/01/2012
http://info-wars.org/2012/01/23/qatar-isolated-not-assad-arab-league-extends-syria-mission/
And RT’s Sara Firth’s been to the town of Zabadani, which has seen some of the fiercest battles between security forces and armed opposition groups.
And for more on the situation around Syria – RT talks to Alastair Crooke, a Former EU Middle East Mediator and Director of the Conflicts Forum in Beirut.
January 24th, 2012, 12:13 am
aldendeshe said:
@Anny, the most disliked person for SNP, not because you side with the criminals, well that too, but your long cut & paste job, you literally aggravate SNP members trying to skip over your junk news posts for 15 minutes sometime. Do you know how weird a man feel having to flip his finger on the I phone screen for 15 min in the metro or tram.
Well, what was your question!!! (if you ask me another one I think you flirting with me)…oh ya.. Back in 2005, I used to have something like 50 of them. Half wrote for the Assad lovers and half for the Bush”IS SYRIA NEXT”- and few anon for the cussing. However, Alex got it nailed down to one for SNP, and one in my name. Does that answer your question dear Baathist Chick? Anny is your name KHADIJA by any chance?
January 24th, 2012, 12:14 am
jad said:
Aldendeshe,
Try to install an app called End Of Page for your IPhone.
January 24th, 2012, 12:21 am
jad said:
Trouble in heaven; the ‘Angels’ officers are having too much disagreements that may result in their ‘divorce’ into couple militias, as if Syria doesn’t have enough armed terrorists to have more of them:
Rivalry among Syrian defectors could mean another military coup
Disagreements between the army officers and soldiers could lead to the creation of separate militias, which could make it difficult to build a consensus around a leadership that could serve as an alternative to the regime.
Even as the Arab coalition against the Syrian regime tightens, and while Saudi Arabia has withdrawn its inspectors to the country and Qatar has upped the pressure to refer the crisis to the United Nations, fissures are emerging within the Syrian opposition which threaten to transform the uprising in the country from a civil protest movement into a military coup.
The fault line runs between two senior officers locked in a struggle for power over the Free Syrian Army, a force composed of deserters from the Syrian military, which numbers over 20,000 combatants. The force scored a number of achievements recently, the most important of which thus far is the takeover of the resort city of Zabadani, 45 km from Damascus. The deserter army is commanded by Col. Riyad al-Assad, who defected several months ago and set up his command headquarters in Turkey, as well as a logistical base and a bank account to which donations by citizens and governments are transferred.
However, two weeks ago, a Gen. Mustafa al-Sheik, head of the chemistry department and security officer of Syria’s northern region, defected from the army, along with his son, also an officer, and thus created a problem in the command hierarchy of the Free Syrian Army. Al-Sheikh demands the creation of a supreme military council, headed by himself, which will coordinate all of the military operations against the regime.
On the other side, al-Assad decided that, despite al-Sheik’s senior rank, he, al-Assad, is the supreme commander of the Free Syrian Army, as he was the first senior officer to defect, as well as the one who laid the force’s organizational and operational infrastructure. The argument between the senior officers is already causing a rift among the defectors, some of whom have already abandoned al-Assad’s loyalists and joined al-Sheikh. All this after it became clear that al-Assad was not capable of paying his loyalists, as Turkey has decided to close his Turkish bank account.
Into the controversy stepped Burhan Ghalioun, head of the Syrian National Council, the umbrella group of the civilian protest movement. Ghalioun met with General al-Sheikh, angering the spokesperson of the Syrian Free Army, Lama al-Atasi. Last week al-Atasi published a Facebook status saying, “We heard that you are pushing division within the ranks of the Free Syrian Army. I ask you: Who are you working for?”
While the Free Syrian Army and the Syrian National Council have had their differences about how to conduct the uprising, this was the first time that such harsh words were exchanged publicly. At the same time, officers of the Free Syrian Army began to speak out against the civilian occupation organization. According to a report published on Ilaf, one of the defecting officers, Khaled Yousef, said that “the Syrian National Council does not represent the revolution.” According to him, “The Council is disconnected from the suffering of civilians, and we request of the people that they reject its legitimacy.”
The immediate concern is that the disagreements between the army officers and the soldiers will lead to the creation of separate militias, each of which will conduct its own, independent battle and attempt to attain achievements in the field, but that this will also make it easier for the Syrian army to act against each force separately. Additionally, the disagreements are making it especially difficult to build a consensus around a leadership that could serve as an alternative to the regime, at a point when Arab states are already sending funds to each body separately, and thus the entire struggle could end up losing. Over the longer term, the military activities of both forces could be a basis for taking power from Assad, creating a situation in which Syria will exchange one military regime for another.
Alongside the military conflict, there are also differences of opinion within the civilian opposition. Part of it, primarily the leadership of the Syrian National Council, supports UN intervention and additional sanctions, while the others demand Western military intervention. However, there is no Western will to intervene militarily, while the ruler of Qatar’s proposal that Arab forces be sent to Syria is unacceptable to the Arab League. The result is that the Arab League remains with the proposal to continue the useless inspections, which show how more and more Syrians are being killed each day.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/rivalry-among-syrian-defectors-could-mean-another-military-coup-1.408828
January 24th, 2012, 12:31 am
aldendeshe said:
@JAD, thanks, I have that installed, along with 300+ other apps (I am an app fanatic) but a reader needs to scrawl through and read comments sometimes, then you hit Anny 3 in a row and most just quit reading / scrolling shortly afterward. When you in USA, you can get away with flipping, but in places like Paris subway ride, Stockholm tram and Amsterdam coffee shops, it does not look manly at all.
January 24th, 2012, 12:34 am
jad said:
The armed militias are ready for more terrorist attacks, they are preparing us for ugly days to come.
qatar-ksa money, ottoman weapons, french and american trainers and the terrorist criminals have appetite for more Syrian blood:
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http://www.aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=660381&issueno=12110
January 24th, 2012, 12:52 am
ann said:
118. aldendeshe said:
“””@Anny, the most disliked person for SNP, not because you side with the criminals, well that too”””
I side with Democracy and freedom. I despise the brotherhood of islamist terrorist. The world needs to mind it’s own business when it comes to Syria. You know qatar, saudi arabia and those rich sheekdoms would be occupied israeli territory today if it wasn’t for Syria.
SC already established rules about posting articles on the blog. Full articles are allowed to post if they’re about Syria. Abbreviated (a few paragraphs) articles that are related to Syria.
You wouldn’t be flipping for 15 minutes on you i-phone if SC is not worth the trouble sometimes.
No my name is not KHADIJA it’s AISHA named after after the profit’s favorite 10 years old wife.
January 24th, 2012, 12:55 am
jad said:
Ann,
Thank you for linking articles on SC.
January 24th, 2012, 1:03 am
ann said:
124. jad said:
Ann,
Thank you for linking articles on SC.
with pleasure jad
January 24th, 2012, 1:05 am
Aldendeshe said:
“……No my name is not KHADIJA it’s AISHA named after the profit’s favorite 10 years old wife…”
Well, I promised SNP members that I will leave Islam and Moslems alone, so I will not comment of the 10 years old prophet Mohammad (PBUH) wife.
I have nothing against your posting, the post are adding to the total overall daily picture about Syria and updating events. Jad and the other gal do it too. That is not the issue, it is why can’t you write a summary and post a link to the article? You write well in English, so why not edit and link. It really don’t bother me personally, I am sitting on a desk station having 16 laptops and 4 servers underneath, a total of 24 monitors that I am surrounded with. It is the older gentlemen of SNP in Europe that complains a lot to me about doing something about it. Imagine a 72 years old man flipping for 10 minutes.
Now Aisha, something a bit strange about you, I thought initially you liked Moslems like TARA, what it is now you are complaining about MB. If you say you side with Democracy and Freedom, then if you are sincere in that proclamation, you should do like SNP and accept the fact that you have to share power with them, and that they do have a followings in Syria that will probably give them 5-6 seats in a freely elected parliament, just as they owned back before 63’. Who knows, the way parliamentary blocks will be implemented, it may be that SNP will needs their 5-6 seats desperately to form a Government. Israel, offer you a good example of this arrangements and compromises.
So, here you say that I flipped, no I did not, it was SNP decision and I have explained it in detail in previous post. We never were Menhebbek, we always been in opposition, just like the MB were. We sided with the regime to slow things down and maintain control to keep Syria intact. Now, we are moving to Phase II, convincing the Russians and putting the word out for a U.N. mandate that is reform centric, one that can land Syria in one peace with less violence. We at SNP are very disappointed that Bashar did not prove to be the LEADER that he projected himself to be. It was cunning and deceptive posturing. But since he failed to land Syria flat, we had no choice but to go into Plan B /Phase II. We are Nationalists and represent the older established Syrian families that most left Syria back in 1963. We are not like the newly rich MURTAZAKA, you see on the news every day. SNP is bold and take bold strides because we are independently financed, we answer to no one.
January 24th, 2012, 1:32 am
ann said:
555. Ghufran said:
“””Libya is at the verge of total collapse of the state and whatever is left of its institution. Western governments are still keeping more than $ 100 billion in Libyan money.”””
It’s $200 billion Ghufran. Also, Libya is going back to be occupied by Italy again:
Italy to help Libya protect borders and oil installations – Libya PM
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL6E8CL07M20120121
TRIPOLI Jan 21 (Reuters) – Italy will help Libyan authorities protect the North African country’s borders and oil facilities, Libyan Prime Minister Abdurrahim al-Keib said on Saturday.
January 24th, 2012, 1:40 am
Juergen said:
Irritated
Well tell me why this regime would like to throw him out after 20 years in the country, must their be a reason behind it? As far as I know those in function to decide probably have never seen or met with him.
Dont you be ashamed to put Bboy in line with Jefferson and Churchill?
Who will remember him after lets say 100 years?
January 24th, 2012, 2:01 am
Juergen said:
Will i ever again enjoy dabke music? I didnt know that there are so many mediorcre singers out there who love to prostetute themselves for the supreme leader. Syrians will not forget those crocodile tears of those artists, i hope they have a job besides singing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1EcNKj6meJo#!
watch even the mufti is part of the song!
January 24th, 2012, 2:03 am
ann said:
125. Aldendeshe said:
“”” why not edit and link? “””
Because links are sometimes mysteriously deleted by the publishers. Without a hard proof these articles are gone forever.
“”” Who knows, the way parliamentary blocks will be implemented, it may be that SNP will needs their 5-6 seats desperately to form a Government. “””
What parliamentary blocks?! Look at what’s happening in Libya!
Those islamist terrorists don’t want to share with you anything!
They’re targeting military and civil institutions with guns and bombs. They’re asking outside countries to invade, destroy and to deliver them the power to rule the country (or what’s left of it) uncontested. Have you heard of what depleted uranium bombs do and the wonderful things they leave behind?!
“”” Israel, offer you a good example of this arrangements and compromises “””
israel is an apartheid country. would you want to live like a Palestinian in Gaza and call that arrangements and compromises?!
“”” We at SNP are very disappointed that Bashar did not prove to be the LEADER that he projected himself to be. “””
Do you really still believe that what’s happening to Syria is about Bashar or Saddam or Bugs Bunny?!
“”” We are Nationalists and represent the older established Syrian families that most left Syria back in 1963. “””
I have serious doubts about you and the old established families wanting to go back to a Syria pot marked with depleted uranium.
January 24th, 2012, 2:16 am
Juergen said:
“I can not eat as much as i would like to puke.”
Max Liebermann 1934
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtIqr0lxldk
http://www.youtube.com/user/2120060a
See Webster Tarpley thinks he is in Bagdad. Hillarious. Is there an other word for Journalist? I really dont think this noble term suits those. Any suggestions?
January 24th, 2012, 2:19 am
Revlon said:
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SNC hands Arab League its Field Report on AL observers mission to Syria.
23/01/2012
https://www.facebook.com/Syrian.Centre
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January 24th, 2012, 2:58 am
jad said:
The usual sectarian statements of the Syrian MBs and the pathetic cheering for the saudi king…Menheba’SH’!!
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January 24th, 2012, 3:08 am
ann said:
Economy chief looks to self-reliance in Syria – January 23, 2012
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7d4c4a48-45df-11e1-acc9-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=rss
International sanctions have had a severe effect on Syria and driven it to focus on domestic markets after a plunge in revenues from sectors such as oil and tourism, the country’s economy minister has said.
As Syrians grapple with fuel shortages, a plunging currency and rising prices, Mohamed Nedal Alchaar dismissed suggestions of imminent economic collapse and laid out an austere vision of a nation committed to self-sufficiency.
“The sanctions have affected every aspect of the average citizen’s life and it is our duty and responsibility to better manage the crisis that we live in,” he said, in an interview in his Damascus office. “The best way is to return to the inside, and focus on our internal affairs and empower our productive capacity.”
His remarks echo Damascus’s political response to the crisis. The regime has closed ranks as it attempts to crush a 10-month uprising that started as a protest for reform of the repressive state and has evolved into a campaign to oust Bashar al-Assad, the president.
As diplomatic pressure on Syria grows after the Arab League’s call on Sunday for the formation of a government of national unity, Mr Alchaar’s comments are a measured and defiant – if contentious – assertion of Syria’s ability to tough out economic hardship by falling back on its own resources.
“I can say with comfort that Syria is self-sufficient,” he said. “What we need to do today is increase the efficiency of this self-sufficiency, so it compensates for what we lost.”
While the Assad regime is not yet having to deal with obvious food shortages in Damascus, electricity power cuts have been increasing and petrol prices have gone up steeply.
Some other goods have increased in price. Cylinders of cooking gas have jumped from 250 to 400 Syrian pounds. A woman having lunch at a restaurant in the swanky Damascus Boulevard shopping centre on Monday pointed out that prices were now given on stickers attached to the menu.
Other shoppers suggested there might be a political cost to a return to an isolationist economy built on import prohibitions of the kind overseen by Mr Assad’s father, Hafez, in the 1980s and partly dismantled since.
“There were no diapers, no milk, no bananas. We only had oranges and apples!” recalled one woman. A businessman warned: “You can’t go from a socialist economy to an open economy and then go back.”
Mr Alchaar said he did not have final economic data for the calendar year just ended, but he was expecting a low single-digit fall in gross domestic product and a drop in government revenues of as much as a quarter.
Oil production had fallen from 385,000 to about 220,000 barrels a day, he said, after western countries imposed an export embargo on some Syrian oil products and multinationals pulled out. Tourism to the country of internationally renowned historical sites, such as the Roman city of Palmyra, had fallen at least 60 per cent, he added.
Mr Alchaar said Syria was responding by trying to lower its reliance on foreign goods and by promoting local manufacturing, which could involve measures such as import restrictions – though he did not want to see these – and tax and energy price discounts for local businesses.
In a step aimed at ensuring Syrians have enough for their essential needs, the government has imposed temporary or permanent bans on the export of various foodstuffs, including sheep to Gulf countries.
While Mr Alchaar said the measures were in part a response to the crisis, some of the changes were needed anyway to reverse harm to cottage industries – such as furniture making – by deregulation and the consequent flood of cheaper imports.
“All this restructuring that took place in the last 10 years has produced some ills in the Syrian economy. Today we are treating those ills,” he said.
The scion of a prominent business family in Aleppo, Syria’s commercial capital, the immaculately-tailored Mr Alchaar joined the government in April last year after a “call of duty” from Mr Assad. While he painted a picture of an economy bending but not breaking under pressure, the grey and threadbare ministry outside his ornate office told of a government and country not rolling in cash at the best of times.
Back at the Damascus Boulevard, one woman gave a sense of how people’s political tolerance of the economic reality might be limited if a new culture of self-reliance meant imported goods disappeared from the shelves. “It might get to the point where [they are] very expensive,” she said. “but not to be here at all? No way.”
January 24th, 2012, 3:10 am
Revlon said:
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Preparations are underway to commemorate Hama massacre that was carried out by Assad forces in 1982.
Set days and daters are Thursday and Friday, February 2-3. Activities shall be held across Syria and various other countries.
SNC
23/01/2012
http://www.facebook.com/TheSyrianNationalCouncil
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January 24th, 2012, 3:13 am
ann said:
Arab League observers reject criticism – Jan 24 2012
League continues mission in Syria
CAIRO (CNN) – The head of Arab League observers in Syria rejected criticism Monday that his team had failed to stop killing in the country
Sudanese Gen. Mohammed Ahmed al-Dabi said Monday at a news conference in Cairo that the mission was designed not to bring an immediate end to violence but to investigate and observe the situation.
Despite the continuing violence, al-Dabi defended his team’s work, saying that it was able to persuade the Syrian government to remove tanks from neighborhoods and to reduce the number of military and security teams deployed near demonstrations.
Observers documented 136 deaths and the release of thousands of detainees during the 20-day mission, al-Dabi said.
January 24th, 2012, 3:21 am
jad said:
Both of the propaganda machine channels, the Qatari and the Saudi are now using the Syrian blood for their own gain in one of the cheapest way possible against the Arab League’s work. Disgusting!
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January 24th, 2012, 3:23 am
Revlon said:
While Jr’s Forces were out, Duma people were celebrating freedom with elation.
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January 24th, 2012, 3:30 am
jad said:
Another one of the fine posts of The Syria Page, impressive research:
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Analyzing the largest Syria crisis Facebook polls
Several Facebook polls on the Syrian crisis have been conducted over the past year, eliciting widespread responses among Syrian and Arab Facebook users. While sample sizes vary, many are much larger than regular online polls thereby ensuring representativeness of the sample, at least among Facebook users. It is worth noting here that Facebook polls prevent account owners from voting multiple times from different computers as they usually can for other online polls. Although some online activists have more than one Facebook accounts, the effect of this bias is negligible given that activists from both sides of the political divide are expected to be equally likely to own a second account.
A significant number of responses by non-Syrian Arabs should be expected given that many of them support the Syrian revolution just as many Syrians supported the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions before them. However, since the contribution of non-Syrian Arabs to the survey remains unknown, it is impossible to tease out Syrian responses from Arab ones. Moreover, it should also be cautioned that Syrians with FB accounts are not a truly representative sample as the sampling frame excludes Syrians without FB accounts as well as Syrians with no internet access. Results, therefore should be read with these limitations in mind.
Having said that, the large sample size of the polls selected here, in addition to the consistent results across a large number of polls make them worth analysing.
Below is a selection of the largest (20,000 to 170,000 voters each) Facebook polls on the Syrian crisis, Voting and community initial biases (where the question first originated) are specified under each question.
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http://creativesyria.com/syriapage/?p=129
January 24th, 2012, 3:30 am
Revlon said:
Busr Al Harir voice their dismay at AL-Dabi’s Report:
“When have no shame, you can say whatever you want!”
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-S4vSdDLzmw
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January 24th, 2012, 3:42 am
Revlon said:
An interesting testimony cum conversation of a young, Christian lady with an AL Observor!
Bab Qibli, Hama
22/01/2012
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January 24th, 2012, 4:10 am
SANDRO LOEWE said:
GULF STATES TO WITHDRAW OBSERVERS FROM SYRIA
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/01/201212493527272847.html
I wonder what kind of scoria is inside the Assad regime empty heads to send the country to such a civil war? They are incredibly rich people and maybe think they are inmune?
Now, real civil war is going to begin. Hama will be massacred, arms and help will be massively sent from outside and finally troops will enter Syria. In my opinion Assad is gone crazy.
January 24th, 2012, 6:05 am
Juergen said:
Defender
what do you mean by this phrase:
602. JUERGEN
Do you mean be surprised with lack of culture of the Slangs?
January 24th, 2012, 7:05 am
Juergen said:
Cracks Widen in Syrian Economy
As the Syrian uprising enters its tenth month, the country’s economy is suffering. Since last March, the Syrian government has been cracking down on pro-democracy protests, and the once peaceful uprising has morphed into a full-blown armed rebellion in areas such as Homs, Hama and Jabal al-Zawiya.
“The crisis is taking a toll on the financial sector. The Syrian Pound has lost nearly 50 percent of its value against the dollar as a result of capital flight…”
more:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=106525
January 24th, 2012, 7:13 am
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Although is common to see the following expression in most papers and TV:
¨Syrian uprising is entering its tenth month¨
I just wanna remark that this is a wrong expression. Syria revolt has accomplished 10 months on 15th January. But from this very same date Syria is entering its 11th month, not its 10th months as usually said.
January 24th, 2012, 7:21 am
Ghat Al Bird said:
According to this website Saudi Arabia is calling for intervention.
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/saudi-arabia-calls-for-outside-intervention-in-syra/#more-34640
If true wonder what the reaction would be if say some one called for an “intervention” in SA?
January 24th, 2012, 7:22 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Muallem in his press conference,did not acknowledge the fact that over 975 death at the hands of regime forces, has died since the observers started their job.thus the regime did not abide by its promise to halt violence.
Muallem did not acknowledge that the political prisoners ,counted by sixty thousands are still in prison, and while hundreds were released, hundreds were arrested.
Muallem did not acknowledged that news media like Aljazeera and Arabyeh has not been able to enter Syria.
Muallem still deny that the opposition, the true opposition,are not recognized by his regime.
He is begining to to be dull.
Ann said she stands for freedom and democracy, what an ABSURD staement while she and Jad still defending such brutal regime, by their admission, they are thus against freedom, and for despotism and tyrany.
GCC all decided to withdraw their observers, this means the observers team is useless, the regime rejected AL initiative, and today is preparing all out assault on Hama, and possibly other areas, immidiate action by the the world is expected , and the red line that Turkey put,must not be crossed, If Assad massacred Hama, he should expect foreign intervention, he is to blame for that, he is killing his people.
FSA is not splitting as Jad reported,he took his news from Haartz jewish news, FSA is not terrorist entity, it defends the freedom and they are truely like Angels, GOD BLESS FSA.
Ann says her name is Aisha, not khadija,, this is not true.
January 24th, 2012, 8:11 am
Tara said:
Majed
You know who Ann is. She is the “women” walking at the edge of the street while Jesus Christ was dragged and tortured in “passion of the Christ”
Ann Dear, remind me again, how young was the youngest child molested by a Catholic priest?
January 24th, 2012, 8:36 am
irritated said:
#141. SANDRO LOEWE
“GULF STATES TO WITHDRAW OBSERVERS FROM SYRIA”
I guess the stories of their bedroom been watched have discouraged these not so courageous tourists. GCC officers has never been known to take any risks during their holidays.
Walking in Hama with dishdashas is also not very convenient, one full month in trousers and a orange coat is far too much to bear!
January 24th, 2012, 8:40 am
Juergen said:
Walid al-Muallem: “In Syria, we are a mountain, solid and unshaken.”
Thinking of Muallem that sounds reasonable. Not even in his family all have this kind of faith.
January 24th, 2012, 8:43 am
Tara said:
Irritated
Are you related to Bronco? You think like him and you talk like him.
January 24th, 2012, 8:44 am
irritated said:
TARA #148
“You know who Ann is. She is the “women” walking at the edge of the street while Jesus Christ was dragged and tortured in “passion of the Christ”
You are totally wrong, Ann is the mother of Holy Mary.
Please don’t mislead even more someone who already thinks he knows so much about good and bad infidels.
January 24th, 2012, 8:48 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Irritated is Bronco
January 24th, 2012, 8:50 am
irritated said:
Tara #151
Bronco? I thought he left disgusted.
I think you write like Sheila and Annie.. Are you their sister?
They too left this blog, disgusted.
January 24th, 2012, 8:52 am
zoo said:
Moroccan law graduate who burned himself dies
By PAUL SCHEMM | Associated Press – 1 hr 40 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.com/moroccan-law-graduate-burned-himself-dies-125939810.html
RABAT, Morocco (AP) — A 27-year-old Moroccan who set himself on fire to protest his unemployment died from his burns Tuesday in a Casablanca hospital, his wife said.
Abdelwahab Zaydoun was part of a group of unemployed graduates who occupied an Education Ministry building in Rabat, the Moroccan capital, to protest their unemployment and threatened to set themselves fire when police didn’t let supporters deliver them food.
“I saw him in the morgue, he is dead and I accuse the makhzen of killing him,” Amina Naddam, 25, told The Associated Press by telephone from the hospital, referring to the ruling elite that many say controls the kingdom.
(…)
January 24th, 2012, 9:41 am
Syria no Kandahar said:
Tara
He was the same age of one of the 20 wife’s of your stud Master.
January 24th, 2012, 9:59 am
majedkhaldoun said:
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Pro regime thugs and Israel has one thing in common, they both support Bashar,as this israeli newspaper says.
January 24th, 2012, 10:11 am
Juergen said:
Anyone has an opinion about the first salafi video which leaked today? in it an group called Dschabhat al-Nusra claims that the group has started to fight against the syrian regime. An other video from Muallems video collection?
January 24th, 2012, 10:14 am
Tara said:
Kandahar
With only two major differences, hone. He married her with her parents’ approval and she loved him. Some girls you know like older men. He did not molest her behind a church curtain. Additionally, most girls at that time 1300 some years ago married around that age so it is not an extraordinary relation given the context. People physiological built was different then and their life span was much shorter.
January 24th, 2012, 10:18 am
Aldendeshe said:
@ANN Said: “…I have serious doubts about you and the old established families wanting to go back to a Syria pot marked with depleted uranium…”
You gotta blame Bashar and yourself for that outcome. We are trying to avert a much worse outcome, be appreciative.
January 24th, 2012, 10:28 am
jad said:
Jurgen
Why don’t you link the clip?
Until the salafi clip become available, here is a clip of a collapsed building in Homs after being burned down according to this site:
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=217020208388960
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January 24th, 2012, 10:45 am
majedkhaldoun said:
Kandahar no syrian
The prophet in my opinion did commit mistake in marrying Aaish who was 10-11 year old,and this was not the only mistake, practically all his marriages were wrong.
Do not forget that destiny is stronger than our will,much much stronger, 3a2esha(aaisha) played a major part of Islamic history, and that was a destiny, and infact Aaisha did commit several mistakes.
And as Tara said we live in different time, king David married 100 wives,and his son Soloman,had thousand wife,practically 50% of girls in his country, but this is different time we have no right to judge. remember Adam had two sons and a girl, ons son married his sister, this is not acceptable now.
The prophet is not God to worship,we should not celebrate his birthday,this is different from some sect who call themselves Muslem and they glorify a man.
January 24th, 2012, 10:53 am
Revlon said:
Wreckage of Assad forces armours should be turned into slides and swings and put up in children play grounds around Syria, in memory of the hundreds of children that have been savagely tortured and killed by Assad forces.
Photo 1 / 24
A Syrian boy stands in front of a damaged armoured vehicle belonging to the Syrian army in a street in Homs January 23, 2012.
REUTERS/Ahmed Jadallah
http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR2WRS3#a=1
January 24th, 2012, 10:54 am
Syria no Kandahar said:
Tara&Majed
Thx.My point is :Pedophilia and terrorism are wrong
Regardless of who does them.
January 24th, 2012, 11:01 am
jad said:
Dear SNK
Be the wise one in this discussion and don’t get involve, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let us not to talk about religion. PLEASE!
Did you have time to check The Syria Page new post? What do you think?
Analyzing the largest Syria crisis Facebook polls
http://creativesyria.com/syriapage/?p=129
Here is something funny:
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http://youtu.be/Wd-Ly1L9h1w
January 24th, 2012, 11:03 am
jad said:
The Russian statement which Reuters published yesterday claiming that Russia is not going to support Bashar anymore are 2 months old and Reuters removed the news form its site:
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http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/576877/
January 24th, 2012, 11:21 am
Revlon said:
After Bab Houd, Terrorist forces of B. Assad shell Karm AlZeitoun neignbourhood causing coomplete collapse and destruction of the building and killing or wounding its inhabitants.
This attack shall not show up in next Al-Dabi’s report, and the scores of civilian martyrs and wounded shall not feature in his records; He did not see it!
Mr Manna3 must be delighted with those civilians for paying their life in support of his sacred mission of peacefully bringing the regime to justice for crimes against humanity; The irony is he does not believe in the capital punishment!
Scenes of the destruction and evacuation of casualties.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNntdFxf-Tg&feature=youtu.be
Scene of on site first aid treatment of a wounded child.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVqWcj9X_X4&feature=youtu.be
Scene of an evacuated, mutilated body
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9AFM1ONGs&feature=youtu.be
Uploaded by mouhmdbbb on Jan 24, 2012
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January 24th, 2012, 11:30 am
zoo said:
Will Syria give its agreement to the extension of the mission of the Arab League observers?
http://www.africasia.com/services/news_mideast/article.php?ID=CNG.8d5e2552ac41ed92a266b1f1bc84371c.da1
“If the Syrian government does not give its agreement to (further) extend the mission, the observers will suspend their work, will remain in their places of residence and will not move” until receiving a response from Syria, he added.
January 24th, 2012, 11:36 am
norman said:
Can Syria accept the monitors without the AL Road map, IE that president Assad steps down.
January 24th, 2012, 11:47 am
Revlon said:
A little girl, who survived the shelling of Karm AlZeitoun today, searches for toys and other personal items of her and other relatives in the debris of the destroyed building.
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January 24th, 2012, 11:54 am
Tara said:
What is exactly the goal of extending the AL’s observers mission? Does any one know? The mission reported its findings. I thought that was the goal? Do we need more reporting?
January 24th, 2012, 11:56 am
jad said:
I don’t know what happened in Homs and how those buildings went down, but I condemn whoever did this act of terrorism by killing innocent people and those criminals must pay.
But what I know very well is that using this tragedy to blame a nonviolence advocate like Mr. Mannaa by a sectarian who never stopped celebrating every act of violence and advocate every terrorist act is beyond hypocrisy.
Why don’t he blames the terrorist gangs of Homs he is their mouthpiece, oh, I forgot, those are only good for bombing gas lines, trains, buses, kidnapping, killing the army and whoever they don’t like and making clips of themselves doing the ‘job’.
January 24th, 2012, 12:03 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
I think Bashar and Maher al Kharatein will find a sad end. They are really getting too many points to be killed wherever whenever. Next days Syria will face terrible massacres that could never be forgotten. Assad should be made disapear fastly before it makes too many mistakes. It is better if nobody knows where he is.
January 24th, 2012, 12:08 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
This sad show we are being shown in Syria is the probe that almost all high ranks between military officials are there to suck and steal, and never to defend the land and the poeple of Syria. They have to values, no principles, no ideology, no religion. They are the real cancer of this country. But now their time has come. Whatever happens, the end of this system is sure and determined by the growing number of young people asking for a mean of life, dignity and justice.
January 24th, 2012, 12:17 pm
norman said:
Jad, what happened in Homs?
January 24th, 2012, 12:22 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
171. jadsaid:
¨I don’t know what happened in Homs and how those buildings went down, but I condemn whoever did this act of terrorism by killing innocent people and those criminals must pay.¨
Normally, in a war zone, a building comes down when it receives a bomb impact or when detonation takes place inside. Do you understand now how this building came down? Of course it was a terrorist gang, but the problem is that this terrorist gang is called Assad loyalists and paid by syrian taxes.
January 24th, 2012, 12:23 pm
Revlon said:
168. Dear Norman:
((Can Syria accept the monitors without the AL Road map, IE that president Assad steps down.))
The AL observer’s protocol signed by the regime was an introductory step in the implementation of the initial “Arab League Agreement”, that Jr refused to sign over a months ago.
The AL understanding of the purpose of the Observer’s protocol was that it represented a step to cease aggression and create peaceful conditions to start a “dialogue”; AL Mu3allem, the smart Alec he was, chose to stick to the perfunctory meaning of the protocol and ignored the context.
The new/elaborated Arab League Initiative came as a fitting response to AL-Dabi’s report.
The claimed positive progress in life conditions since its arrival prompted the activation of the next phase of the initial Arab League Agreement; The political dialogue and the formation of a unity government.
The intransigence of the regime in complying with All of the AL demands, as per AL-Dabi’s report, was appropriately countered by applying more political pressure through asking for SC involvement.
In brief and to answer your question, The primary goal of the observer’s mission has been accomplished!
Jr has to move to the next step; the political solutions, according to the AL-UN terms, or else face the SC.
Cheers
January 24th, 2012, 12:28 pm
norman said:
where did these buildings and how many come down .
January 24th, 2012, 12:33 pm
Uzair8 said:
@155. Syria no Kandahar
This is an unacceptable insult to muslims (unless I have misunderstood). Take issue with whatever but why use insults?
If you dared to repeat that in front of any muslim you’d get a good beating. People wouldn’t put up with anyone insulting their mother. Imagine how they’d react if their beloved Prophet (S) was insulted. For whom muslims would sacrifice their family and everything. Whom, to complete their faith, muslims must love more than anything else including their families and their ownselves.
It just goes to show what kind of Islamophobes the syrian revolution is dealing with. Even pro-regime Syrians, Lebanese,Iranians and Shia people will be embarrassed (and insulted) by such insults and would want to distance themselves from them. I would like to think that is the case.
On the age of Marriage this can be answered and I hope others do so but if not then I’d get back with a reply. One thing for sure this marriage was not a ‘mistake’ and for a muslim to say this is a massive no-confidence in Allah Almighty and His Prophet (S).
On another point.
As the Islamic month of Rabi ul Awal is starting if it hasn’t already done so, muslims all across the world will be celebrating the blessed birth of the greatest gift to Mankind. The Mercy to the universe. The Blessed Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alaihi Wa Aalihi Wa Salam.
As the Quranic verse commands us:
[Duha 93:11] And abundantly proclaim the favours of your Lord.
Allah SWT Knows best.
January 24th, 2012, 12:40 pm
jad said:
Norman,
A building collapsed from being hit either by an RPG or by a shell, depends on which news network you read.
It said that 21 Syrians were killed in this attack, I have no more details.
January 24th, 2012, 12:49 pm
norman said:
To all of you,
please stay away from religion.nobody has a religion that is better than the other.
January 24th, 2012, 12:52 pm
jad said:
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January 24th, 2012, 1:02 pm
Tara said:
Norman
Agree. Please note that Ann’s post provoked the response.
January 24th, 2012, 1:03 pm
jad said:
Thank you Norman, I totally agree.
January 24th, 2012, 1:05 pm
ann said:
146. majedkhaldoun said:
“”” Muallem in his press conference,did not acknowledge the fact that over 975 death at the hands of regime forces, has died since the observers started their job. “””
Because he’s not a liar like you ABOUD.
AL observers documented 136 deaths and the release of thousands of detainees during the 20-day mission, al-Dabi said.
Arab League observers reject criticism – Jan 24 2012
League continues mission in Syria
CAIRO (CNN) – The head of Arab League observers in Syria rejected criticism Monday that his team had failed to stop killing in the country
Sudanese Gen. Mohammed Ahmed al-Dabi said Monday at a news conference in Cairo that the mission was designed not to bring an immediate end to violence but to investigate and observe the situation.
Despite the continuing violence, al-Dabi defended his team’s work, saying that it was able to persuade the Syrian government to remove tanks from neighborhoods and to reduce the number of military and security teams deployed near demonstrations.
Observers documented 136 deaths and the release of thousands of detainees during the 20-day mission, al-Dabi said.
January 24th, 2012, 1:16 pm
Juergen said:
Norman
That should be a guideline here.
Jad
There was just a report of DER SPIEGEL on the video, i tried to find it, but they said they have found the video on a salafi chat site, and ntil now they have not posted it.
here is the link to the report,as i remember you speak German.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,811058,00.html
January 24th, 2012, 1:17 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
180. Norman
Do you think that by saying this you solve the problem? If this is true then simply ignore religion. You know the basis of this crisis is not religious but a much deeper one. Religion is totally a personal question and even the secular regime in Syria has been playing with it. The word salafi, sunni, wahabi, christian has been mostly introduced by anti-arab spring posts.
By the way, are you syrian? Are you inside Syria?
January 24th, 2012, 1:22 pm
Aldendeshe said:
In Syria they build with re-inforced concret. If it is not a structural failure, someone wired the building with large amount of explosives or detonated a parked truck laden with one. If explosion sound heard, that maybe the case.
January 24th, 2012, 1:26 pm
Aldendeshe said:
101. Aldendeshe said:
3. aldendeshe said:
“…..Mr Lavrov’s annual news conference on Wednesday was largely a critique of Western policies in Iran and Syria, which he said could lead to a spiral of violence….”
Mr. Lavrov, with due respect, Syrians will no longer live as serf, do something please.
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12 sadistic Baathist lover, who enjoys torturing children and killing own people, robbing teh nation left me 12 thumb downs.
YOUR DAYS IS COMING, JUDJEMENT IS COMING, JUST WAIT A LITTLE.
YOU CAN RUN BUT YOU WILL NOT HIDE, WILL FIND YOU AND THE CASH YOU STASHED. GET READY FOR : MAHKAMAT MIN AINA LAKA HATHA.
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January 24th, 2012, 1:34 pm
jad said:
Jurgen
Thank you!
January 24th, 2012, 1:34 pm
zoo said:
Erdogan is singing his old song to Irak and insults Al Malikii
Turkey warns Iraq against fomenting sectarian unrest
http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-warns-iraq-against-fomenting-sectarian-unrest-153843184.html
“(Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri) al-Maliki should know that: if you start a conflict in Iraq in the form of sectarian clashes, it will be impossible for us to remain silent,” Erdogan said in remarks to his lawmakers in parliament, carried on television.
“Those who stand by with folded arms watching brothers massacre each other are accomplices to murder,” Erdogan said.
The Turkish leader heavily criticised Maliki for his accusation that Turkey was intervening in Iraq’s affairs.
“I consider Maliki’s attitude … as very ugly and very unfortunate,” Erdogan said.
“We expect the Iraqi government to leave aside sectarian discrimination and express a responsible attitude to prevent sectarian conflicts,” Erdogan said.
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January 24th, 2012, 1:39 pm
jad said:
Russian ambassador to the UN is saying that nothing ‘new’ in the Russian position regarding Syria while France is trying again its older version of the resolution in the UN, they are looking for a military intervention:
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Zoo,
Syria accept to extend for the AL Observers mission:
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Jurgen
DER SPIEGEL article analyzing the footage about ALqaeda fighters and their veterans organizing themselves in Syria and using the struggle for their own agenda is a very serious materials, I know that they are questioning some points of the clip, however, it seems that the magazine message is clear: there are Alqaeda fighters in Syria and we need to watch them closely. Pity that the report is in German, but I guess it’ll spread out soon.
January 24th, 2012, 2:08 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Since Syria refused the last Arab League initiative, GCC withdrew their observers, Qatar Hamad ibn Jasem quarreled withAlDabi, there is nothing the AL can do except to say they reached dead end,and has to turn the crisis in Syria to the UN SC
I is absurd that Syria accepted the extension to the observers, after refusing the last initiative, Syria knows what is coming their way,no other choice,the regime to blame.
January 24th, 2012, 2:12 pm
zoo said:
Syria tells Arab League to head for U.N. “or the moon”
Reuters By Alistair Lyon | Reuters – 2 hrs 16 mins ago
http://news.yahoo.com/gcc-says-pulling-monitors-syria-mission-093700704.html
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“Heading to the Security Council will be the third stage in their plan, and the only thing left is the last step of internationalization,” he told a news conference in Damascus.
“They can head to New York or to the moon. So long as we are not paying for their tickets it is none of our concern.”
…
Arab League chief Nabil Elaraby and Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim al-Thani, who heads the League’s committee on Syria, had sent a joint letter to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon giving details of the organization’s latest plan for a political solution in Syria.
The letter asks for a “joint meeting between them in the U.N. headquarters to inform the Security Council about developments and obtain the support of the Council for this plan,” a League statement said.
The Saudi ambassador to Britain, Prince Mohammad Bin Nawaf, said the idea of resorting to the Security Council was to rally the world behind the Arab League peace initiative for Syria.
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January 24th, 2012, 2:22 pm
defender said:
Thanks all for discussions and for tolerance, I will be engaged in the business!for all good luck!
January 24th, 2012, 2:22 pm
irritated said:
Majedalkhadoon
“I is absurd that Syria accepted the extension to the observers
It is much more absurd that the AL offers to extended the mission after they received a clear rebuff from Syria on the “Yemen Road Map”.
January 24th, 2012, 2:30 pm
zoo said:
Is al-Qaeda Infiltrating Syria through Lebanon’s Beka’a Valley?
Publication: Terrorism Monitor Volume: 10 Issue: 1
January 12, 2012 02:42 PM Age: 12 days
By: Nicholas A. Heras
http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=38875
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Arsal’s reputation has not been improved by recent events. On November 21, 2011 the Lebanese Army briefly entered Arsal in order to follow- up on reports that a person tied to international terrorist groups might be present in the village, although no arrests were made in connection with the operation (Daily Star, December 29, 2011). The village is viewed by some as being a node in a smuggling network of weapons, drugs, and jihadists that includes the Beka’a village of Majdal Anjar, the Akkar district of northern Lebanon, and the purportedly militant Salafist neighborhoods in Tripoli. Majdal Anjar is another predominately Sunni Muslim, March 14 coalition-supporting village in the eastern Beka’a near the Lebanese-Syrian border. The link to Majdal Anjar is considered incriminating by some in Lebanon because the village is already notorious for having been a staging point and safe haven for militant Salafist fighters from Lebanon, especially from around Tripoli and the Akkar district, through Syria and into Iraq to confront the U.S. military there. Since the defeat of Fatah al-Islam fighters in Nahr al-Barid in 2007, Majdal Anjar is viewed as a likely place for confrontation between the Lebanese Army and militant Salafist fighters. Weapons smuggled in the region of Majdal Anjar are suspected of being used by Salafist fighters in “front-line” areas of Lebanon, such as the Tarek al-Jdeideh neighborhood in Beirut and between the Sunni Muslim Bab al-Tabbaneh and Alawite Jebel Mohsen neighborhoods in Tripoli. The village is also thought to be a source of Salafist fighters for these front-line districts, though not on the scale of the Tripoli neighborhoods of Qibbeh, Abu Samra, and Bab al-Tabbaneh and the village of Dinneyeh north of Tripoli. A Lebanese Army intelligence officer told the author that: “Majdal Anjar is the next Nahr al-Barid. It isn’t getting better there, it is worse.” [1]
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January 24th, 2012, 3:02 pm
Jad said:
Diffender
All the best, it was nice having you around.
Please come back whenever you have time.
January 24th, 2012, 3:35 pm
Tara said:
I always liked eating in Majdal Anjar. I hope it doesn’t become a battlefield.
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January 24th, 2012, 3:39 pm
jad said:
The draft of the French proposal at the UN:
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January 24th, 2012, 3:44 pm
Mawal95 said:
Some excerpts from Walid Al-Moallem’s press conference today 24 jan 2012 translated by http://www.facebook.com/SyrianTruthEnglish?sk=wall and/or by http://www.facebook.com/syria.news.news?sk=wall and/or by http://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria?sk=wall
“The Constitution will be out in the upcoming days…. The solution to the Syrian crisis is a Syrian solution based on the interests of the Syrian people. Firstly, we’ll have the completion of the reform program commenced by President al-Assad. Secondly, National Dialogue. Finally, it is the duty of the Syrian government to take all protective measures against the armed terrorists…. The security solution is a popular public demand…. The security solution is a necessity, the necessity of which is clear with the presence of the so called “Free Syrian Army”.”
“In Doha [Arab League meeting on 2 Nov 2011], we agreed that ALL armed manifestations would stop. Yet armed men were still present…. The Arab League observers report [on 22 Jan 2012] confirmed the existence of armed gangs committing sabotage acts and attacking law enforcement officers and civilians. The report also confirmed the existence of media propaganda…. This evidence was presented to the Arab League, yet they chose to turn against the observers report…. They were planning a new plan for Syria as if there was no government in charge of this country.… They turned against the observers report and made a political pronouncement which they already knew we wouldn’t accept, as it infringes on our sovereignty…. With this latest action, they have killed the Arab League’s role in solving the Syrian crisis…. No more Arab solutions are possible after this point. Unfortunately they are the ones who abandoned us.”
“The foreign trade sanctions negatively affect the people’s lives but do not affect the political situation. The political framework has been announced and will be carried to completion on time.”
Question or comment by a Reporter: “Yesterday, I was in Hamediya in Homs where other reporters were. A certain channel reporter called her channel abroad and told them the army was firing at citizens. None of that was true. Armed men were firing at our army.” Response by Al-Moallem: “Once the reporters are on ground, they can chose to lie or tell the truth, that’s their problem. Our responsibility was getting them on ground.”
January 24th, 2012, 4:05 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
I found it hard that Russia will veto the french suggestion to yhe UN,it should pass
January 24th, 2012, 4:08 pm
Mawal95 said:
Video uploaded 18 jan 2012. In Zabadani town a substantial crowd of working-class women and children applaud armed rebels parading in front of them. The rebels are armed with AK-47s and RGPs. The women chant “God protect the Free Army”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-p1VSAZf6g . More footage of armed rebels showing off their weapons and driving through the streets of Zabadani at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uBZXGPRMAY
Uploaded 19 jan 2012. In Hama a team of Arab League observers is surrounded by a large crowd of rebels, with many of the rebels carrying automatic rifles and/or wearing military clothing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bhscx5S-u0 . More of the same in Hama at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFL6DDT6Fmk .
Uploaded 18 jan 2012. A platoon of armed dissidents in Homs present themselves up close to the camera holding AK-47s and RPGs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as4GFb8a-B4 . Same kind of video from Homs uploaded 22 jan 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxMuoUs8yw . Same kind of armed rebel platoon presentation in Idlib uploaded 21 jan 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb0uzmwgrWM . Same kind of thing from another platoon, uploaded 7 Jan 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZsPMRt-Wv0 . A large platoon in Idlib, upload date 15 dec 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auZm56AE9YU . Another Idlib platoon 2 dec 2012: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re-WkmmneDE . Another Idlib platoon 17 nov 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNU9Bx1ZqJc . The next two are again presentations of armed rebel platoons, but they have the significant difference that the rebels are covering their heads and faces with cloths so that they can’t be personally identified. All the other videos above are more worrisome for us on the pro-regime side because the armed rebels openly present their faces in front of the camera. Uploaded 23 and 23 jan 2012 and said to be from Idlib: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U1WvtWYn-k , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdaWNX-c-3c
I’m not one who says Syria is or will be in a civil war. In my opinion the rebels don’t and won’t have enough men to conduct anything more than a very low grade civil war. But the above videos illustrate that a low grade civil war is happening. Walid Al-Moallem said on 24 Jan 2012: “The security solution is a necessity…. The security solution is a popular public demand.” I fully agree. Al-Moallem also said: “Any [foreign] military presence would lead to escalation [of the internal violent unrest in Syria].” I fully agree. According to my values, every civilized person around the world should be supporting the Syrian government’s suppression of this armed rebellion.
January 24th, 2012, 4:09 pm
jad said:
Aldendeshe @187
It seems that you may be correct in the reason of why the building collapsed in Homs.
Later is another version of the incident, it’s saying exactly what you wrote, it claims that the explosion happened in the basement where they were making explosives, it also claims that there are no women or children killed in the incident, and the building itself was occupied by the armed militia in a neighbourhood run only by them.
Checking the building’s footage again I think that you are right, that is a result of an explosion not a result of neither an RPG nor explosive Shells:
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January 24th, 2012, 4:48 pm
Jerusalem said:
Interesting video from the Gulf.
January 24th, 2012, 4:54 pm
Uzair8 said:
Thanks to Aboud on ‘the Walls’ for bringing the following to our attention.
How Syria, where everything is normal, according to Johnson:
http://blogs.channel4.com/world-news-blog/syria-where-everything-is-normal-according-to-johnson/19850
You may remember this discussion from November regarding this issue:
https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=12791&cp=all#comment-284956
January 24th, 2012, 5:05 pm
Ghufran said:
Ex pimps becoming sudden revolutionaries
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This is from the new media garbage: alarabiya
January 24th, 2012, 5:05 pm
zoo said:
After having attacked Bashar Al Assad and Al Maliki now Erdogan attacks Sarkozy
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-defies-french-vote-eyes-court-action.aspx?pageID=238&nID=12251&NewsCatID=338
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Erdo?an said the law was “entirely null and void for Turkey” and echoed the “footsteps of fascism” in Europe.
“The votes in the French Parliament and the proposal that has been adopted are an open demonstration of discrimination and racism and amount to a massacre of free thought,” he said.
Erdo?an said Sarkozy’s grandfather was a Jew born in Salonika, then part of the Ottoman Empire, where his ancestors had fled from persecution in Spain.
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January 24th, 2012, 5:23 pm
zoo said:
Syrian Kurds and Turkey
23 January 2012
http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-269349-syrian-kurds-and-turkey.htmlhttp://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-269349-syrian-kurds-and-turkey.html
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“Speaking on the condition of anonymity, one senior Turkish official told me that there are credible intelligence reports indicating that Assad has been supplying arms and munitions to some Kurdish groups in areas close to the Turkish border. Syrian opposition figures even speculate that Assad has gone as far as promising autonomy to Kurds in exchange for support to his regime and loyalty. What is more, using the PKK trump card, Damascus also seems to have succeeded in creating a split among Kurdish groups in Syria, preventing them from supporting the opposition.
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All in all, some 2 million Kurds among Syrian’s 23 million people, Syria’s largest ethnic minority, may be decisive in determining the fate of Assad in the coming months. A meeting planned by the end of this month in Arbil among Syrian Kurdish groups may be a harbinger of what will happen next in Syria. Turkey should tread carefully in addressing concerns of Kurds in Syria while trying to foil Assad’s attempt to win over mainstream Kurds. Ankara should put the minds of Arabs at ease without alienating Kurds in Syria while picking a fight with the PKK and its political extensions there. It is certainly a difficult balancing act but future peace and stability in Syria may very well hinge on that balance.
January 24th, 2012, 5:31 pm
irritated said:
Bravo Moallem!
Moallem is really daring: He wants to send the half-men to the moon now.
Obviously Syria is not impressed by the Gulf rich undemocratic monarchies who are giving orders to poorer emerging democracies and trying to buy them with the money they made with the sweat of their behinds.
January 24th, 2012, 5:48 pm
Tara said:
Irritated ,
Sorry, but your comment is a bit naive. No offense. You get the loudest barks from the tiniest dogs. Everyone is capable of verbal threats and defiance even a 6 years old. He in my opinion deserves no Bravo.
January 24th, 2012, 5:59 pm
Aldendeshe said:
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I remember the name, but not the location, where it will be this area in Homs, west of Khalidiyye or west of the ??????
January 24th, 2012, 6:05 pm
irritated said:
Tara #210
About threats, I wonder who is barking louder, Sheikh Hamad and his GCC bunch or Moallem?
While most arab (and western) countries bow in front of them, it just show that Moallem is strong and proud enough not to be impressed by these rich and arrogant US puppets with golden watches and white robes. And to this I repeat: Bravo! Bravo!
January 24th, 2012, 6:12 pm
Son of Damascus said:
Irritated,
Did not realize Mou3alleq was poor, I wonder how many booklets he uses at the food bank to fill his tummy?
January 24th, 2012, 6:15 pm
irritated said:
#213. Son of Damascus
After the lisp of Bashar Al Assad, now the tummy of Moallem…. you’re a good observer, who’s next?
January 24th, 2012, 6:24 pm
Ghufran said:
Zikrayaat by um Kulthoum playing on sham fm
To many Syrians,that is what is left from Syria
So sad.
January 24th, 2012, 6:26 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
IRRITATED, JAD, SNK, ANN,
Your old popular dictatorship style Syria smells bad. Take last 11 years of Assadism as an extra time, as a gift from the syrian people. But now frankly I believe it is time for you to leave. There is no place in the world for regimes like this. Maybe now you do not want to accept reality but after months or years it will be reality that will not accept you. Refresh yourselves and help the country to reach the place it deserves in the world.
Only a fool can deny that all this mess began when Assad paramilitars began shooting at peacefull rallies. You know it well.
January 24th, 2012, 6:29 pm
Tara said:
Ghufran
Thank you for your instilling some artistic aspects here and there. There was a Nizar’s poem you once posted then retracted that I liked very much. Please excuse my ignorance but how do you get Sham FM?
Also, please give my regard to Abu-Ghassan
January 24th, 2012, 6:34 pm
Son of Damascus said:
Irritated,
You claim other peoples predictions as false, while you falsely predict events. Mou3alleq “showed bravado by standing up to the Sheiks of the Gulf”, was he still standing up to them when he was kissing their hand for a handout before this conflict? Or do you just like leaders that flip flop on the drop of dime for the easiest route while not dealing with the real issues at hand? Is this the same Mou3alleq that showed fabricated videos in his news conference to the world as undeniable truth?
You want to talk about arrogance of the gulf yet turn a blind eye on the arrogance this regime you support that is slaughtering its own people.
And by the way Mou3alleq and Betho are self appointed public figures, and as public figures they should be able to take not only the praises (which they have earned none) but the ridicule that comes with the job, if not please TELL THEM TO RESIGN.
January 24th, 2012, 6:39 pm
zoo said:
Russia plans sale of jets to Syria
Deal would cement Moscow’s opposition to U.N. sanctions.
MOSCOW • Russia has signed a contract to sell combat jets to Syria, a newspaper reported Monday, in apparent support for President Bashar Assad and open defiance of international condemnation of his regime’s bloody crackdown.
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Igor Korotchenko, head of the Center of Analysis of the Global Arms trade, an independent think tank, was quoted by RIA Novosti news agency as saying: “With this contract, Russia is expressing confidence that President Assad would manage to retain control of the situation, because such deals aren’t signed with a government whose hold on power raises doubts.”
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Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/russia-plans-sale-of-jets-to-syria/article_a3210a2a-ec74-5186-8374-af17df759fc3.html#ixzz1kQE3JtQ5
January 24th, 2012, 6:40 pm
Mawal95 said:
This evening the Syrian government agreed to extend the Arab League’s observer mission until 22 February. Earlier today Walid Al-Moallem said the question of whether or not the Syrian government would agree to it “is being studied” and Syria’s concern is that “Syria wants to know the mission’s role in terms of dealing with the issue of armed terrorists in some areas.” To appreciate what this concern is, take a look at the following video which shows a team of Arab League official observers in Hama surrounded by a large crowd of rebels, with many of the rebels carrying automatic rifles and/or wearing military clothing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bhscx5S-u0
January 24th, 2012, 6:48 pm
Ghufran said:
Tara,
http://www.shamfm.fm
Politically,this is a station sympathetic to the regime but I have no doubt that this will change,those guys can not now be hostile to the regime,they can lose their license.
Listen often and enjoy.
Abughassan is not doing very well,he like few others is disgusted by how 11 months of blood shed was not enough to unite Syrians against the destruction of their country. He told me that the US and Syrian embassies were not helpful at all when he tried to send supplies and money to Syria,even the Syrian American medical society is political now and many of its members left it.
January 24th, 2012, 6:48 pm
zoo said:
Israel Only Western State to Enshrine Religion –
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/modest-distortion-is-no-mistake-1.408901
Judaism has many faces. But the real issue is not religion, but the status it is granted. There is no other country in the Western world where the supremacy of religion is as blatantly enshrined in law, including the Basic Laws that comprise a de facto constitution, as it is in Israel.
By Uri Misgav
January 24th, 2012, 6:53 pm
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By the spring,Libya may be in the middle of another spring,a bloody one.
Western media has not yet reported on the level of destruction in Libya caused by both NATO and Libyan fighting factions. Libya’s money for the time being is being used by western governments and western banks.
January 24th, 2012, 7:16 pm
Ghufran said:
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January 24th, 2012, 7:23 pm
Ghufran said:
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January 24th, 2012, 7:28 pm
Syria, Egypt and Middle East unrest – Tuesday 24 January | News 1st said:
[…] Divisions in the Arab League and UN mean there is no foreseeable prospect of change in Syria, argues…, the director of the Centre for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma. Assad remains […]
January 24th, 2012, 7:35 pm
majedkhaldoun said:
Assad will soon realize that the forces of change can not be reversed, and human dignity can not be denied
Obama, was he strong enough against Assad?,I wish he was more critical against Assad since Bashar is the last dictator facing revolution for freedom and democracy.
January 24th, 2012, 10:31 pm
Juergen said:
Ghufran
I listen to madinah fm sometimes, it seems like there is a quote of patriotic songs they have to play, 3-5 songs in an hour. I mean those cheap dabke singers who came out of the dark with their besho love songs.
Do you think the regime proposes such a quote or the stations do that in a submissive obedience?
Funny was the last time there was an fair in Damascus for clothing. The director of the fair was in the studio and quite desperate, because the people werent coming. He said that he does not understand why the Damascenes are staying in their homes, and most funny he complained that he can not make any friday trips to the countryside anymore.
January 25th, 2012, 2:36 am
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Madina Fm and Sham Fm both belong to young alawis from Lattakia. All radio stations are under control of the regime and their young pseudo-reformist strange modern-looking hubble bubble smokers in-front-of-plasma style shabab.
January 25th, 2012, 8:47 am
Amazii said:
Arabist tries to censor any criticism of the Arab Laegue at Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arab_League&action=historysubmit&diff=473838654&oldid=473788925
January 29th, 2012, 5:05 pm
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