If the US can not force it’s well on Israel in regards to the Settlements , how can any Arab think that it can force Israel to abide by international law , we should stop dreaming and work on forcing Israel out of Arab land ,
And yea , that is my take on Biden’s visit,

I think the Israeli government is correct. If Biden is a Zionist, as he claims, then he must be cool with the settlements. I don’t see where the problem is.

Pleased that Syria is not pursuing nuclear power plants. However, concern must be expressed over Syria’s neighbors who have suddenly become obsessed with nuclear energy. How can any population center in this crowded region be immune to a possible nuclear disaster that might, just might, blow up in a neighboring state?

Dear OFF THE WALL,

Many thanks for your elaborate and informative comment. You have, indeed, enriched the discussion on a critical issue.

Your summary of my position is accurate. Your argument that progress in the nuclear field could raise the caliber of scientific education and knowledge is valid. Nonetheless, I still believe, that as long as “Arab countries do not have the technological and scientific critical mass to deal with the ‘inevitable’ nuclear accident” they should refrain from nuclear energy for their own long-term safety.

In bringing up poor flood protection from rainfall in Aleppo and very rich Jeddah I intended to exemplify the lack of resources in two major Arab cities, even in such a low-tech area. The list of embarrassing failures can go on and on. Jad mentioned a few examples in Homs, Tartous, and Damascus. Thanks, Jad.

Meanwhile, going forward, attention should be focused on wind and solar electricity generation. The following should persuade us that, solar and wind power have become credible sources of energy.

Solar
Adapting from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power

In 2008, multi-megawatt photovoltaic plants have been built, like the 46 MW Moura photovoltaic power station in Portugal and the 40 MW Waldpolenz Solar Park in Germany. These plants are characteristic of the trend toward larger photovoltaic power stations. Much larger ones are proposed, such as the 100 MW Fort Peck Solar Farm, the 550 MW Topaz Solar Farm, and the 600 MW Rancho Cielo Solar Farm. Utilizing a different technology, the largest solar power plant is the 354 MW SEGS.

To put 354 MW in perspective, it is equivalent to the capacity of a medium size nuclear reactor. 600 MW is equivalent to the capacity of a large nuclear reactor.

Egypt’s High Dam has twelve generators capable of producing a modest 175 MW each.

The Euphrates dam’s hydroelectric power station has eight turbines capable of producing a very modest 103 MW each. I have no idea how many turbines are operating today and at what utilization rate.

Wind generated electricity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power

Several countries have achieved relatively high levels of wind power generation, such as 19% of electricity production in Denmark, 13% in Spain and Portugal, and 7% in Germany and the Republic of Ireland in 2008. As of May 2009, eighty countries around the world are using wind power on a commercial basis.

Syria’s estimated shortage of 1,000 MW at present, which will grow to 1,800 MW by 2012, is not huge. Such shortage can be met by a combination of solar and wind solutions to supplement oil and gas, though economic feasibility ought to determine the winner.

Elie

Pleased that Syria is not pursuing nuclear power plants. However, concern must be expressed over Syria’s neighbors who have suddenly become obsessed with nuclear energy. How can any population center in this crowded region be immune to a possible nuclear disaster that might, just might, erupt in a neighboring state?

Dear OFF THE WALL,

Many thanks for your elaborate and informative comment. You have, indeed, enriched the discussion on a critical issue.

Your summary of my position is accurate. Your argument that progress in the nuclear energy field could lead to an enhanced general interest in science is correct. Nonetheless, I still believe, that as long as “Arab countries do not have the technological and scientific critical mass to deal with the ‘inevitable’ nuclear accident” they should refrain from nuclear energy, for their own long-term safety. In bringing up poor flood protection from rainfall in Aleppo or a very rich Jeddah I intended to exemplify the lack of resources in two major Arab cities, even in such a low-tech area. The list of embarrassing failures can go on and on. Jad mentioned a few examples in Homs, Tartous, and Damascus. Thanks, Jad.

Meanwhile, going forward, attention should be focused on wind and solar electricity generation. The following should persuade us that, solar and wind power have become credible sources of energy.

Solar
Adapting from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power

In 2008, multi-megawatt photovoltaic plants have been built, like the 46 MW Moura photovoltaic power station in Portugal and the 40 MW Waldpolenz Solar Park in Germany. These plants are characteristic of the trend toward larger photovoltaic power stations. Much larger ones are proposed, such as the 100 MW Fort Peck Solar Farm, the 550 MW Topaz Solar Farm, and the 600 MW Rancho Cielo Solar Farm. Utilizing a different technology, the largest solar power plant is the 354 MW SEGS.

To put 354 MW-capacity in perspective, it is equivalent to the capacity of a medium size nuclear reactor. 600 MW is equivalent to the capacity of a large nuclear reactor.

Egypt’s High Dam has twelve generators capable of producing a modest 175 MW each.

The Euphrates dam’s hydroelectric power station has eight turbines capable of producing a very modest 103 MW each.

Wind generated electricity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power

Several countries have achieved relatively high levels of wind power generation, such as 19% of electricity production in Denmark, 13% in Spain and Portugal, and 7% in Germany and the Republic of Ireland in 2008. As of May 2009, eighty countries around the world are using wind power on a commercial basis.

Syria’s estimated shortage of 1,000 MW at present, which will grow to 1,800 MW by 2012, is not huge. Such shortage can be met by a combination of solar and wind solutions to supplement oil and gas, though economic feasibility ought to determine the winner.

Elie

Pleased that Syria is not pursuing nuclear power plants. However, concern must be expressed over Syria’s neighbors who have suddenly become obsessed with nuclear energy. How can any population center in this crowded region be immune to a possible nuclear disaster that might, just might, erupt in a neighboring state?

OFF THE WALL,

Many thanks for your elaborate and informative comment. You have, indeed, enriched the discussion on a critical issue.

Your summary of my position is accurate. Your argument that progress in the nuclear energy field could lead to an enhanced general interest in science is correct. Nonetheless, I still believe, that as long as “Arab countries do not have the technological and scientific critical mass to deal with the ‘inevitable’ nuclear accident” they should refrain from nuclear energy, for their own long-term safety. In bringing up poor flood protection from rainfall in Aleppo or a very rich Jeddah I intended to exemplify the lack of resources in two major Arab cities, even in such a low-tech area. The list of embarrassing failures can go on and on. Jad mentioned a few examples in Homs, Tartous, and Damascus. Thanks, Jad.

Meanwhile, going forward, attention should be focused on wind and solar electricity generation. The following should persuade us that, solar and wind power have become credible sources of energy.

Solar
Adapting from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power

In 2008, multi-megawatt photovoltaic plants have been built, like the 46 MW Moura photovoltaic power station in Portugal and the 40 MW Waldpolenz Solar Park in Germany. These plants are characteristic of the trend toward larger photovoltaic power stations. Much larger ones are proposed, such as the 100 MW Fort Peck Solar Farm, the 550 MW Topaz Solar Farm, and the 600 MW Rancho Cielo Solar Farm. Utilizing a different technology, the largest solar power plant is the 354 MW SEGS.

To put 354 MW-capacity in perspective, it is equivalent to the capacity of a medium size nuclear reactor. 600 MW is equivalent to the capacity of a large nuclear reactor.

Egypt’s High Dam has twelve generators capable of producing a modest 175 MW each.

The Euphrates dam’s hydroelectric power station has eight turbines capable of producing a very modest 103 MW each.

Wind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power

Several countries have achieved relatively high levels of wind power generation, such as 19% of electricity production in Denmark, 13% in Spain and Portugal, and 7% in Germany and the Republic of Ireland in 2008. As of May 2009, eighty countries around the world are using wind power on a commercial basis.

Syria’s estimated shortage of 1,000 MW at present, which will grow to 1,800 MW by 2012, is not huge. Such shortage can be met by a combination of solar and wind solutions to supplement oil and gas, though economic feasibility ought to determine the winner.

Elie

To Joshua et al.

Not to be overlooked a link to the views of those who occupy the Golan and their fundamentalist supporters in the West.

http://bibireport_blogspot.com/

OFFENDED:

It is always paramount to add proof of Biden declaration of his Zionist fabric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZmO80dLfE

Imagine a V.P. United States of America declaring “you don’t have to a Muslim to be a Wahabi”.

What outcome are we expecting? It doesn’t matter who visits Syria/Israel nowadays when, what was said, timely-untimely announcements because Zionist (Zionist Jews, Zionist Christians or just Zionist butt-kissers or just-needed-a-job Zionists) control Washington:

VERY Short “un-updated” list:

Joseph Biden (Vice President)

Rahm Israel Emanuel (Jew/White House Chief of Staff)

Benjamin Shalom Bernanke (Federal Reserve (the FED) Chairman)

Sheila Bair (FDIC Chairman)

Karen Mills (Administrator, Small Business Administration (SBA))

Christina Romer (Council of Economic Advisers)

Paul Volcker (Economy advisor/twice FED Chairman)

Mary Schapiro (SEC Chairman)

Hillary Clinton (Pro-Israel Secretary of State) – Said her family spoke Yiddish when she was a child, during her first campaign for NY Senate. In her first Sunday show interview as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton said it is US POLICY to treat an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel as an attack on the United States.

Tim Geithner (Treasury Secretary)

Douglas Shulman (Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Commissioner)

Leon Panetta (Pro-Israel CIA Director)

Lawrence (“Samuelson”) Summers (NEC Director)

David Axelrod (Senior Obama Advisor)

Jason Furman (Director of Economic Policy)

Alan Blinder (Obama Economic Adviser)

Robert Rubin (Obama Economic Adviser)

Dan Shapiro (NSC Middle East desk)

Dennis Ross (Envoy to Iran)

Puneet Talwar (NSC Middle East Desk)

George Mitchell (Pro-Israel Middle East Envoy)

Jared Bernstein (Biden Economic Policy Adviser)

Richard Holbrooke (Afghan-Pakistan Envoy)

Ronald Klain (VP Biden Chief of Staff)

Peter Orszag (Head of Budget)

Eric Landers (Science & Technology Advisory Council Co-Chair)

Elena Kagen (Solicitor General)

Gary Gensler (Commodity Futures Trading Commission Chmn)

Steven Rattner (Treasury Adviser-Auto Sector)

James B. Steinberg (deputy Secretary of State)

Jacob Lew (deputy Secretary of State)

Jared Bernstein (Chief Economics Policy Adviser to VP Biden)

Jon Leibowitz (FTC Chairman)

Julius Genachowski (FCC Chairman)

Margaret Ann Hamburg (Commissioner – Food and Drug Agency)

Joshua M. Sharfstein (Deputy FDA Administrator)

I am not anti-jewish, many people in my life are jewish. But, I do have a problem with the Zionist agenda.

“Is there any criminal act that Israel can do without being protected from criticism from the U.S? If there is, I haven’t heard or seen it. And I haven’t seen it from the Obama Administration, Bush Administration or from the Clinton Administration or from any administration before them. But when you consider the influence of Israel’s lobby and its political action committees and the more than $41 million they’ve given to Congress and the White House, is it any wonder Israel is shielded from any shame? For more than 54 years the Israelis have committed acts that no other nations would dare get away with. But even here in America, where it is not yet illegal to publicly ask the wrong questions, any public figure that does so is subjected to smears, intimidation, and the attempted destruction of his career and reputation by Jewish organizations, and by the very cooperative news media”

– U.S. Brigadier General James J. David (Ret.), “A Passionate Attachment to Israel”, Dec. 2002

Next week health reform will have critical test for Obama,hopefully he will be stronger,then he can deal with peace effort in the Middle East.
Israel insulted him,may be Goldstein report will be discussed in the UN.

Pleasing that Syria is not pursuing nuclear power plants. However, concern must be expressed over Syria’s neighbors who have suddenly become obsessed with nuclear energy. How can any population center in this crowded region be immune to a possible nuclear disaster that might, just might, erupt in a neighboring state?

Dear OFF THE WALL,

Many thanks for your elaborate and informative comment. You have, indeed, enriched the discussion on a critical issue.

Your summary of my position is accurate. Your argument that progress in the nuclear energy field could lead to an enhanced general interest in science is correct. Nonetheless, I still believe, that as long as “Arab countries do not have the technological and scientific critical mass to deal with the ‘inevitable’ nuclear accident” they should refrain from nuclear energy, for their own long-term safety. In bringing up poor flood protection from rainfall in Aleppo or a very rich Jeddah I intended to exemplify the lack of resources in two major Arab cities, even in such a low-tech area. The list of embarrassing failures can go on and on. Jad mentioned a few examples in Homs, Tartous, and Damascus. Thanks, Jad.

Meanwhile, going forward, attention should be focused on wind and solar electricity generation. The following should persuade us that, solar and wind power have become credible sources of energy.

Solar
Adapting from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power

In 2008, multi-megawatt photovoltaic plants have been built, like the 46 MW Moura photovoltaic power station in Portugal and the 40 MW Waldpolenz Solar Park in Germany. These plants are characteristic of the trend toward larger photovoltaic power stations. Much larger ones are proposed, such as the 100 MW Fort Peck Solar Farm, the 550 MW Topaz Solar Farm, and the 600 MW Rancho Cielo Solar Farm. Utilizing a different technology, the largest solar power plant is the 354 MW SEGS.

To put 354 MW-capacity in perspective, it is equivalent to the capacity of a medium size nuclear reactor. 600 MW is equivalent to the capacity of a large nuclear reactor.

Egypt’s High Dam has twelve generators capable of producing a modest 175 MW each.

The Euphrates dam’s hydroelectric power station has eight turbines capable of producing a very modest 103 MW each.

Wind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power

Several countries have achieved relatively high levels of wind power generation, such as 19% of electricity production in Denmark, 13% in Spain and Portugal, and 7% in Germany and the Republic of Ireland in 2008. As of May 2009, eighty countries around the world are using wind power on a commercial basis.

Syria’s estimated shortage of 1,000 MW at present, which will grow to 1,800 MW by 2012, is not huge. Such shortage can be met by a combination of solar and wind solutions, though economic feasibility ought to determine the winner.

Elie

Pleased that Syria is not pursuing nuclear power plants. However, concern must be expressed over Syria’s neighbors who have suddenly become obsessed with nuclear energy. How can any population center in this crowded region be immune to a possible nuclear disaster that might, just might, erupt in a neighboring state?

Dear OFF THE WALL,

Many thanks for your elaborate and informative comment. You have, indeed, enriched the discussion on a critical issue.

Your summary of my position is accurate. Your argument that progress in the nuclear energy field could lead to an enhanced general interest in science is correct. Nonetheless, I still believe, that as long as “Arab countries do not have the technological and scientific critical mass to deal with the ‘inevitable’ nuclear accident” they should refrain from nuclear energy, for their own long-term safety. In bringing up poor flood protection from rainfall in Aleppo or a very rich Jeddah I intended to exemplify the lack of resources in two major Arab cities, even in such a low-tech area. The list of embarrassing failures can go on and on. Jad mentioned a few examples in Homs, Tartous, and Damascus. Thanks, Jad.

Meanwhile, going forward, attention should be focused on wind and solar electricity generation. The following should persuade us that, solar and wind power have become credible sources of energy.

Solar
Adapting from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power

In 2008, multi-megawatt photovoltaic plants have been built, like the 46 MW Moura photovoltaic power station in Portugal and the 40 MW Waldpolenz Solar Park in Germany. These plants are characteristic of the trend toward larger photovoltaic power stations. Much larger ones are proposed, such as the 100 MW Fort Peck Solar Farm, the 550 MW Topaz Solar Farm, and the 600 MW Rancho Cielo Solar Farm. Utilizing a different technology, the largest solar power plant is the 354 MW SEGS.

To put 354 MW-capacity in perspective, it is equivalent to the capacity of a medium size nuclear reactor. 600 MW is equivalent to the capacity of a large nuclear reactor.

Egypt’s High Dam has twelve generators capable of producing a modest 175 MW each.

The Euphrates dam’s hydroelectric power station has eight turbines capable of producing a very modest 103 MW each.

Wind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power

Several countries have achieved relatively high levels of wind power generation, such as 19% of electricity production in Denmark, 13% in Spain and Portugal, and 7% in Germany and the Republic of Ireland in 2008. As of May 2009, eighty countries around the world are using wind power on a commercial basis.

Syria’s estimated shortage of 1,000 MW at present, which will grow to 1,800 MW by 2012, is not huge. Such shortage can be met by solar and wind solutions, though economic feasibility ought to determine the winner.

Elie

Dear Elie,

I released all instances of your recent comment from the spam filter to help the filter (hopefully) be less suspicious of you in the future.

In general if anyone here tries to post a comment which contains multiple links, please be advised that the filter will most likely route it to the spam section. In that case please do not try to post it again but write to Joshua or to me an email to let us know that you have a comment that did not show up. If you try many times to post again the spam filter software will boost its assessment of your probability of being a spammer.

Alex,

Thanks.
Got it.
Sorry for making a pest of myself.
How embarrassing!

Elie

Dear Elie (again)

Nothing embarrassing at all. My comments often end up in the spam filter as well, given my tendency to rely on external links.

I like your approach to decision making in this case. It reminds me of best selling author Nassim Nicholas Taleb‘s attention to “Black Swan Events” … highly improbable, but potentially disastrous outliers.

Among Taleb’s recommendations: “Counter-balance complexity with simplicity.” and “Do not give children sticks of dynamite, even if they come with a warning.”

Incidentally, when it comes to regional policies and economic reforms policies, the Syrian leadership generally follows the same approach. Advantage is optimal stability, long term relevance in the region as well as being, to some extent, in control of one’s destiny. Disadvantage: lost opportunities and slow progress.

Similarly when we look at the two options (to pursue nuclear energy, or not) we can understand one of the reasons why Syria for now decided not to risk going for nuclear energy (risk aversion that applies even to outliers). OTW’s argument that progress in the nuclear energy field could lead to an enhanced general interest in science is indeed correct, and Syria’s reluctance at this time to pursue this option will lead to lost opportunities … enhanced general interest in scientific research in this case.

Husam,

I haven’t read things you’ve written here before, so I’m assuming that you mean what you say, when you say “I am not anti-jewish, many people in my life are jewish.”

But by listing all the Jews you can think of, who “control Washington”, aren’t you in effect hinting at anti-semitism? Surely you haven’t proven (even to yourself) that all or even most of these Jewish Americans are “Zionists”.

In light of recent days, would you say Hillary Clinton (whose “family spoke Yiddish” as you claimed) is a Zionist?

By the way, I hope you realize that it is impossible to make Peace with your friends. If you want Peace with Israel, it will have to be with the same Zionists you so despise. Just as if we want Peace with the Arabs, it will be with the same anti-Zionists we so despise.

Our efforts should not be on continuing to use the rhetoric we all grew up on, and which served very little positive purposes. We should find ways to begin bridging our gaps. This is the only way, whether we like it or not, whether it is just or not.

Again the arabphobia of elie seems a pathological complex , the Arabs when opportunities are given to them are among the most succesful in the world.There is no doubt about it when we will reach an advanced and effective political regime , the Arab world will become one of the leading power in the world. As for Iran otw they are not better than us despite our bad regimes . They are unable to extract And explore their huge fields of oil and gas and for this reason they are importers of refined oil and gas from Turkmenistan and Turkey.According to the humans developpement index they are behind the gulf countries and the Iranian regime is even more corrupt than the Syrian one , they are in the same group of failed states . As for ecological disasters the situation is worse in Iran than in banyas , Homs , Aleppo and Damascus . I M doing here a comparison between the bad and worse.as for the nuclear expertise they bought it from Russia and Pakistan ( abdelkader khan) btw it s not very difficult for a country to form scientists what we need is a strong civil society and the valorizatiom of social science and philosophical studies , democracy and the culture of criticism. It s the only way of salvation.

As for nuclear energy I m not against but for the time being the priorities should be of social and political natures , as I said third world countries CAN get the technology if they pay for it but what is necessary are social and political reforms then all will be possible.

Shai,

Thank you for you response and ‘enlightenment’. Need I explain the difference between faith “Judaism” and political movements “Zionism”? The same difference holds true for faith “Islam” and “Al-Qaeda” or “Wahabism”. People have issues with Wahabism, including many Muslims, this in itself does that make them anti-semites?

About Hillary et al, or any person for that matter, jewish or non-jewish, who supports Israel “unconditionally and blindly” including its criminal actions is a Zionist. For starters, let us not forget when Hillary celebrated the Israeli war crimes back in 2006 in front of UN Headquarters in New York staged by Zionist organisations. And, her famous speaches at famouns Zionist venues around the country are all too well known.

Is it any wonder why hubby ex-president Bill Clinton would grovel before a jewish audience at a $350 a plate dinner, and butter something as ridiculously pathetic as the following statement:

“The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die.” (Source** Bubba: I’d fight and Die for Israel. New York Post. .By Andy Geler. August 2, 2002)

The list I provided were not of Jews per se, but of Zionist. And yes, I can prove that they would all lap dance for $10 a song. But for lack of time, please spare me the effort.

Shai, yes I am a newcomer to this blog. However, you are dealing with many academics, researchers, and M.E. specialist here on this blog, who all too well know the Zionist fists over Washington.

You stated “….Just as if we want Peace with the Arabs, it will be with the same anti-Zionists we so despise.” I am perplexed by your effort to bridge anti-zionism with with Peace with Jews/Israel. One can be anti-zionist and not anti-jewish nor anti-israeli, isn’t that so? And what about Jews Against Zionist, are they anti-semites too?

Unfortunately, in my personal view peace will not come when Israel is dominated by Zionist ideology. Real, just and lasting peace will come when the majority of Jews and Arabs share the same fabric, morality, and the need to live together again like we did before the time of Herzl.

I know lots of them, do you?

Husam,

We do not choose what the others are. I imagine you would also have “your side” look a little different as well (regarding freedom and violations against the most basic human rights, amongst its own.) What we can hope for, is precisely what Ford Prefect mentioned earlier, which is a transformation of Jews and Arabs into something new. But this is a process, it will take time, during which we must begin laying the foundations for real Peace (via such things as “Peace Agreements”.)

Some amongst my people claim we should only make Peace with free and democratic people and nations in our region. Do you know of any?

We can’t afford to wait. Not for Zionism, not for Baathism, not for Wahabism, not for any other “ism”. It would take me too long to explain to you why some of us, many of us, are liberal-minded, believe in equality, in peace, in rights, and yet see themselves as Zionists. We can’t wait for our vision of the other to first be eradicated. It won’t happen in our lifetime.

Shai,

You are right and I agree, we do not choose the “other”. But Shai, are you advocating sitting down with Hamas, who were in many ways the first democratically elected government in M.E, in our time?

And if so, I don’t think you would acheive anything when you sit down with your enemy unless the power is more or less even handed. Otherwise, you end up, as we have seen a zillion times over, in an unjust temporary solution, which may seem like the best deal at the time, but will re-ignite a decade or a generation later.

I happen to think that all mankind will be accountable for his actions in life, we are given a brain to think and frankly many decision makers in Israel (and yes in Arab regimes and its kingdoms as well) will pay for their deeds. Everyone it seems are motivated by extreme ideologies and by the almighty dollar which they collect whilst seated in their lofty chairs.

For the Arabs, the longer they wait, the better the deal gets because, as I am sure you know, never negotiate when you are at your weakest and divided. The dynamics in the Middle East will change for more favorable conditions. This has to some degree done so already… time will tell.

Husam said:

I am not anti-jewish, many people in my life are jewish. But, I do have a problem with the Zionist agenda.

Husam,

So sorry you have a problem with the “Zionist agenda”. The Arabs have 22 states, so I can understand why a Jewish state is so upsetting.

I would suggest finding a good social worker or counselor to help you deal with this nagging problem. Perhaps Anwar al-Awlaki can schedule you in for a few sessions. I hear he is very compassionate and understanding.

MONEY TALKING.

“The administration’s decision to escalate its rhetoric following Vice President Biden’s visit to Israel is not merely irresponsible, it is an affront to the values and foundation of our long-term relationship with a close friend and ally,” read a statement by House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-OHIO. Similar statements have been issued by Sen. Sam Brownback, R-KANSAS, Rep.Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-FLORIDA.

OHIO.
Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $1,214,675,539.20

This money could have been spent instead to:

Provide 14,749 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
Provide 20,164 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
Provide 35,915 children per year w/early reading education OR
Provide 983,702 people per year w/primary health care.

Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely.

KANSAS.
Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $242,626,470.74

This money could have been spent instead to:

Provide 2,946 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
Provide 4,028 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
Provide 7,174 children per year w/early reading education OR
Provide 196,491 people per year w/primary health care.

Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely.

FLORIDA
Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $1,469,678,061.61

This money could have been spent instead to:

Provide 17,845 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
Provide 24,397 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
Provide 43,455 children per year w/early reading education OR
Provide 1,190,215 people per year w/primary health care.

Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely.

Ghat’s Financial Advice, Ltd.

Ghat,

Are you also advising the PA and Hamas government on how to spend their money too? I’m think the Palestinians could use affordable housing, green jobs, training in reading education, and primary health care even more than the Americans.

http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/529/562.html

Husam,

I am absolutely for sitting with Hamas, if they’ll sit with me. Indeed Hamas was the first democratically elected government in the Middle East, and Israel and the U.S. missed an opportunity in recognizing this achievement.

I’m not sure I agree, though, when you said: “I don’t think you would acheive anything when you sit down with your enemy unless the power is more or less even handed.” I don’t think it is an axiom. How else can you explain the Northern Ireland talks, and eventual Peace? Clearly, no one has ever debated the strengths of the relative parties. The same can apply to Israel and the Palestinians.

But I agree with you – we must look each other at eye level. That’s a must. For the purpose of making Peace, we must truly see each other as equals. Not in the military sense, but in the most basic human sense. Because on that level, it is the truth.

GHAT ALBIRD,
Your analysis of MONEY TALKING is superb. Nothing is more appropriate for present time main Street America.
I know the reason you limited your presentation of the misappropriation of the US tax dollars to the three States you mentioned was because the three members of congress supporting the benefiting alien country come from those States. I know it is a daunting task to try to compile similar data pertaininmg to all the States. But it would be very beneficial to do so. You are already providing huge amount of useful information and data to this forum and I’m sure it is taking quite a bit of your time.
It would be a good project to undertake and try to find funding to publish the data in major American news media. Think about it.

TO ALMASRI.

Will from time to time comment on other states.

Whats more importan is for this information to be made available to the governor’s of every state as well the major universities in each state.

Appreciate your comments.

Would someone please, please fill me in on Akbar Palace? Obviously a hardcore Zionist. I mean why would anyone spend hours composing pro-zionist comments on this particular board and attack every single commentator? It is highly unlikely s/he will find any sympathy on this (Syrian specific) blog!

S/he never ever seems to agree with anyone, S/he’s always trying to distort the truth and unwilling to look at the other side.

Is it plausible that S/he is a paid Israeli blogger as it has been suggested?

Akbar Palace:

You said: ” I would suggest finding a good social worker or counselor to help you deal with this nagging problem.” I do have a problem with the Zionist agenda; but isn’t that the view of 90% of people here? And, why are you here anyway?

And you said: “So sorry you have a problem with the “Zionist agenda”. The Arabs have 22 states, so I can understand why a Jewish state is so upsetting.” I don’t have a problem with a Jewish state, I do have a problem with a Zionist state and occupation however. FYI, you can be human and jewish, and not a zionist. I do have Jewish friends, from Orthodox to Reform who are anti-zionist. You are not one of them. I wonder if dropping your white bottom in the middle of 22 African countries or between 22 tribes in the Brazilian Jungle, would you not expect some trouble?

Why don’t you go get a life, it seems you have something to say to everyone here. The best is to ignore you or better hit the red eject button if one existed.

What a name – AKBAR PALACE, such a coward. Use your own name or something more politically correct like Bib, Herzl, or Rothschild.

Shai:

I like you, despite our differences. Peace requires sincere willingness on both sides. However, the old proverb: big fish eat small fish:)

The nature of a peace deal, if it were between the majority of the Arab & Jewish street, would be signed within 24hrs. The reality however is different because the people doing the negotiations and power plays are politicians of the lowest level. We are dealing with thugs, criminals, and extremist on both sides. Lets not forget how most politicians on city, state, or international level get elected – lie, cheat, steal and put their conscious in the freezer to get where they are today.

Cheers,

HUSAM said:

Would someone please, please fill me in on Akbar Palace? Obviously a hardcore Zionist.

There is a general concensus on how “zionists” use forums, makes comments, etc,.

– First, they ignore the facts, hoping the information will not be given widespread attention/distribution.

– If the information starts reaching too many people, they ridicule the information and the person or persons giving the information.

– If that doesn’t work, their next step is character assassination / character attack.

– If that doesn’t work, their next step(s) is/are: change the topic, sidetrack the issue(s), deceptive zionist propaganda…etc…

Its reported that Jewish/zionists in America had a consultant prepare an extensive narrative on what to say and how to make statements in their participation in forums or discussion groups, church groups etc,. In some ways it parallels the above 4 positions.

Dear Husam,

Indeed our past and future are for too long hijacked by people (“leaders”) whose interests are very different from what they should be. But this is also part of our conflict. In Israel, in particular, that’s the greatest absurd. That “preachers of peace” (The Left) do everything they can to avoid it (approve Settlements, go on military adventures, etc.), while the “preachers of non-peace” end up removing Jewish settlers from their homes. But neither of these act with Israel’s best-interest first. There are jobs to give family and friends first, there are high mortgage bills to pay for $10 M apartments, there are millionaire 18 year-old daughters to feed and clothe…

So our people are, as always, left to follow like blind sheep. And they do, so very well.

Ghat Albird,

How do I get in touch with one of these “consultants” in America? I should could use a little help here… 😉

SHAI:

I hear you loud and clear. The same goes on all over the M.E… but why is it so? Is this simply “greed every man’s worst enenmy?” In the past century, the dollar, infidelity, corruption, torture have replaced moderation, partnership, acceptance, co-existance.

Churches are being sold left and right in my city to developers. Could lack of faith or the correct interpertation thereof be the cause?

GHAT ALBIRD:

Haaretz had an article that the government was calling on “ARMY OF BLOGGERS” to just what you describe. How far can they go… disgusting.

Its reported that Jewish/zionists in America had a consultant prepare an extensive narrative on what to say and how to make statements in their participation in forums or discussion groups, church groups etc,. In some ways it parallels the above 4 positions.

Haaretz had an article that the government was calling on “ARMY OF BLOGGERS” to just what you describe. How far can they go… disgusting.

Ghat, Husam,

Why do you assume any of the millions of pro-Israelis need “consultants”? The few of us that post here (or allowed to post here) do it for the same reasons and motivations that you post here.

Professor Josh, here’s an article you may want to post on your home page…

The Biden Incident by Charles Krauthammer

Why did President Obama choose to turn a gaffe into a crisis in U.S.-Israeli relations?

Who knows? Perhaps we should ask those Obama acolytes who assured the 63 percent of Americans who support Israel — at least 97 percent of those supporters, mind you, are non-Jews — about candidate Obama’s abiding commitment to Israel.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031802747.html

The Biden Incident by Charles Krauthammer.

Another examplary psycho-bable commentary.

CK has been referred to by several respected commentators as a שמוק

Another commentary by a defunct neoconservative not surprisingly posted by Akbar Palace. It is clear that war hawks are experiencing a severe famine of ideas and therefore to resort to such sick phrases like “anti-terror roadblocks” and “ease the life for the “Palestinians.”

So the “announcement by a bureaucrat in Israel’s Interior Ministry of a housing expansion” is a gaffe? Charlie, are you that funny or have you lost your mind during your latest colonoscopy?

C’mon, please spare us your stupid “gaffe” explanation. It was not a gaffe and you know it. Even Fox News is starting to have some sense returning to it and reported it as it was: a deliberate announcement to attack a US president whom they think is anti-Israel. The world is not as stupid as your dear past president was, my dear Charlie.

Actually Krauthammer’s opinions would have been so laughable had they not been outright sick and evil.

In all of his sick and deranged opinions, spewing lies and half-truths about anything that could lead to peace, Krauthammer conveniently forgets to mention that the United States regards all territory taken by Israel in the 1967 war as “occupied,” including East Jerusalem. Furthermore, the U.S. does not recognize these areas as part of Israel, and has, like the rest of the world, always opposed settlements and believes that the final status of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights must be resolved through negotiations.

The neoconservative ideologues still live in a land where they think military force and remaining tough solves problems. Good luck with that, but let’s not forget the $3 trillion sick war in Iraq that these evil minds gave us.

The next time you read Krauthammer’s opinion, remember that he does not have to fight in any war – he just loves to see others do it for him. What a sick “gaffe” mind he is.

Akbar Palace:

If you pro-israeli, you would not be here with your loud mouth spreading false information. You are a Zionist-to-the-max. There is a difference with being pro-israel and being a Hard Core Zionist like yourself.

I did NOT “think”, Haaretz reported the your government is recruiting an “army of bloggers”. This is a fact, not a thought of mine… I found the link for you doing a google search:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html

BTW, kindly do not address me, or reply to my comments. I have no interest in wasting my time and responding to your B.S.

You are known for spreading lies on this forum and distorting the facts like you are attempting to do just now. In other words, you are a low and desperate soul.