New Opposition TV Station; Hama Free? Homs and Deir Shut Down
Posted by Joshua on Thursday, July 21st, 2011
New Syrian TV channel – for the opposition called “Syria of the People”,????? ?????
Al-Haqiqa (An frequently unreliable source) and pro-Syrian government sources claim the new station which airs from London is funded entirely by Saudi Arabia and the Association of Muslim Scholars, is connected to Amir Bandar bin Sultan and is close to the Muslim Brotherhood. Its main spiritual inspiration is Said al-Hawwa, who was the general supervisor of the Muslim Brotherhood from 1979 to 1982 and “spiritual father” of the Fighting Vanguard that led the uprising in Hama. They state that all the guests to appear on the channel so far are “Takfiri,” meaning that they espouse Said Qutb’s radical philosophy of declaring fellow Muslims apostates.
Anyone wanting to know more about Said Hawwa should read these two articles about him:
- Itzchak Weismann, “Sa‘id Hawwa: The Making of a Radical Muslim Thinker in Modern Syria,” Middle Eastern Studies 29 (1993), 607-611.
- Itzchak Weismann, “Sa‘id Hawwa and Islamic Revivalism in Ba‘thist Syria,” Studia Islamica 85 (1997), 131-154.
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In Scarred Syria City, a Vision of a Life Free From Dictators
By ANTHONY SHADID in New York times
In the revolt against President Bashar al-Assad, Hama represents the competing visions of the protesters and the government: liberation or chaos…..
“Syria is colonized by its own sons,” one resident quipped.Hama is bracing for an attack by a government that may regret its decision to withdraw on the first week of June, after an especially bloody Friday. But the authorities seem at a loss over how to retake control of the rebellious city that is Syria’s most religiously conservative. Railing from fences was torn down and stones from sidewalks unearthed to build scores of barricades, which block entrances to most neighborhoods. Refuse has accumulated along streets where every trash bin seems part of a barrier. ….
“Hama is the cemetery of the nation,” say graffiti here. …
The protesters, though, hold little sway with the government, which has negotiated with the city to a surprising degree. These days, Hama is represented by Mustafa Abdel-Rahman, the 60-year-old cleric in charge of the Serjawi Mosque. Residents say he consults with worshipers at his mosque, along with doctors, lawyers and engineers in the neighborhoods, over ways to defuse tension. Under the latest deal, the government agreed to release prisoners if protesters dismantled checkpoints on the main roads. The protesters did, though in the end, only a fraction of the more than 1,200 detainees were freed.
“They will keep taking people, definitely,” said Tarek, a 22-year-old protester. “We can’t trust them. We just can’t trust them anymore.”
A Revolt’s Microcosm
Over these six weeks, Hama has, in a way, emerged as a microcosm of the revolt — what the protesters see as competing visions of liberation and what the government labels chaos. As in other places, the government has spoken of armed gangs and Islamists roaming the city’s streets, though over two days, not a single weapon was seen, save a slingshot. Islamists populate and perhaps dominate the ranks of protesters, and by some estimates, a fourth of the city has fled, fearing a showdown more than the brand of rule the Islamists might impose.
The government has spoken of losing control, though the city still functions. Shops have reopened, people walk the streets, and the municipal administration — from courts to trash collection — began working again Saturday after a two-week strike. Gardeners watered city squares, and cars obeyed traffic signals along streets where not a single government building was damaged beyond a few broken windows. Although the security forces have disappeared — all 16 branches of them, by some residents’ count — the traffic police still come to work.
“You don’t feel secure unless the security forces are gone,” Abu Muhammad said.
But episodes of lawlessness and vengeance have punctuated the city’s experiment. An informer was hanged from an electricity pylon last month; the bodies of three or four others were thrown into the Orontes River, residents say. A week ago, three Korean-made cars were stolen from a dealership, residents said, and some businessmen have complained about the checkpoints and a two-week strike that shut down Hama. Many frowned upon the dismantling of street lights and other infrastructure to build the barriers.
“There was no destruction with the protests, why does there have to be with the checkpoints?” asked a 40-year-old trader who gave his name as Ahmed. “Without a doubt, people are angry. I am myself. There are thugs out there, without question.”
At least anecdotally, his seemed to be a minority opinion.
Festive Protesters
The scenes on Saturday night were less chaotic than festive, as crowds lined the streets to watch a spontaneous protest celebrating the freedom of the few prisoners released. The demonstrators headed to the governor’s building, which was adorned in a slogan that still said “Assad’s Syria.” Youths jumped in their cars, speeding through pulsating streets, trading rumors and news over cellphones that rang incessantly. They joked with one another at checkpoints.
“Next time I see you, we’ll be playing cards together in jail,” one said.
Around midnight, a protester named Obada joined his friends in what seemed to be a cross between a dorm room and a safe house. The coals for water pipes smoldered in the corner, near computers, headphones, a big-screen television, a scanner, sound-mixing equipment and stacks of compact discs documenting protests, arrests and clashes with the security forces.
Each took a turn to celebrate what their uprising meant. “There’s no fear,” said Mustafa, 27.
“You can walk in the streets with security,” added his friend, Mahmoud.
“We’ve come closer together,” volunteered Fadi, typing on his computer. Another friend, Bassem, shook his head. “We’re not free yet,” he said.
Plotting a post-Assad road map for Syria
By David Ignatius, July 20, 2011, Washington Post
……A second White House official summarizes the new approach this way: “The Assad ship is sinking. The most important thing is to get people to realize this, so that, hopefully, they will jump off the ship and get on the lifeboat.” For the United States, this means working with Syrian dissidents, and also with Turkey and other regional powers that can help broker change.
The administration wants to encourage the Syrian opposition inside the country to unite, develop a clear agenda and build an inclusive leadership. Leading that effort is Robert Ford, the U.S. ambassador in Damascus; an administration official describes him as a “vehicle for transition.” In meetings with dissidents, Ford is said to have stressed that the opposition must reach out to minorities, such as Christians, Druze and Alawites, who fear that a post-Assad regime will be dominated by the Muslim Brotherhood.
With U.S. encouragement, the opposition hopes to hold a meeting inside Syria over the next several weeks to frame a unified agenda. It tried to hold such an internal gathering last week, in coordination with an exile meeting in Istanbul of the so-called National Salvation Council, but Syrian authorities blocked it.
A road map for the opposition was sketched in an interview by Radwan Ziadeh, a visiting scholar at George Washington University who closely follows the dissident groups. He said he has contacted people who might attend the planned meeting inside Syria, including prominent human-rights activists Riad al-Seif and Walid al-Bunni, as well as Druze, Christian and Alawite figures he named. The aim, said Ziadeh, is “solid leadership that can emerge inside the country” and draft a new “Damascus Declaration” as a platform for transition…..
The Syrian equation is shaped by two “X-factors.” The first is whether the army will split, with influential officers moving away from the regime. …..
The second wild card is sectarian violence between dissident Sunnis and the ruling Alawite minority. ….
Obama’s judgment is that “Assad is a guy who has taken all the wrong steps in response to protest,” says a White House official. The thinking in Washington now is about getting to the post-Assad era, quickly and peacefully.
Turkish FM chides US over its Israel approach Hurriyet
….Assad late to reform
The foreign minister also responded to a question on ongoing revolts in neighboring Syria, whose leadership has so far failed to heed the demands of the people and launch a substantial reform campaign. More than 1,000 civilians have been killed by security forces in recent weeks, resulting in international anger toward Damascus.
“If some of these reforms had been done three months ago, so many lives would not have been lost. If some of the things being done now, such as removing the state of emergency and giving Kurds their identity, had been done in January, there would not have been this much tension,” Davuto?lu said.
Although Turkey sought to be a guide for its neighbor in terms of the reforms, Davuto?lu said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was continuing to seek more time for reforms.
“The prime minister spoke to Bashar al-Assad. We are saying that the situation cannot continue,” Davuto?lu said.
Suggesting that leaders who resist change or only reform slowly risk losing their ability to persuade as they create tension, Davuto?lu said, “[We are] still expecting the Syrian leadership to lead toward a peaceful transition period.”
“But if they say that they will continue the status quo through oppression if necessary, then serious tensions will be unavoidable. Other factors will come into play. We suggest peaceful changes for both the administration and the opposition,” he said….
US-Syrian expats raise concerns during meeting with Assad
21 July 2011, Thursday / CEL?L SA?IR , ?STANBUL – Zaman
Amidst escalating tensions in his country, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad met with two groups of prominent Syrian expats from the United States over the past two weeks.
“I was one of some 30 Syrian-Americans invited to go to Syria to meet with President Assad and share with him our thoughts and concerns,” one of the participants, who asked not to be named, told Today’s Zaman….
According to him, “only 10 percent of Syrians, who are beneficiaries of corruption, do not want reform, but the 90 percent majority, who are pro-reform, have managed to sharply split into different groups. One group wants to see reforms happen gradually under President Assad’s leadership, while another first wants him to step down and wants reforms second; those who see continued demonstrations and protests as a must, even with the tension and dire economic consequences they are leading to, and those who see that enough has been achieved already and believe an interruption of protest for a couple of months is what is needed to grant the government the chance to deal with the proposed reforms.”….
In Deir as-Zor, one person was killed on Thursday for refusing to close his shop for a general strike, according to Syria News.
In Hama, armed men also enforced a general strike, according to government sponsored Facebook Sites.
In Homs, all government departments in the city have been closed down and the city has observed a general strike for four days.
New Political Life demands New Parties in Syria
DAMASCUS- In a dialogue symposium under the title “Reform Process…Political, Religious and Legal Vision” at Damascus University, Foreign and Expatriates Minister Walid al-Moallem on Wednesday said the new political life in Syria demands new parties to be formed with a political, economic and social program so that each citizen can join whatever party he chooses.
Foreign and Expatriates Minister al-Moallem referred to the currently prepared new information law which will provide press space for to-be-formed parties.
He also pointed out to the new elections law taking, into consideration that the new parties will compete in the elections for the coming parliamentary term. ….
Syrian stock market composite index down 43 percent
Andrew Tabler at WINEP: “Fortunately, cash-strapped Iran does not have the resources to indefinitely bail out Assad if the United States organizes a Western effort to hit Syria in its Achilles’ heel — namely, its energy revenues.
….no matter how much most Americans might detest a government that has helped kill American troops in Iraq, while supporting attacks against U.S. allies in Lebanon, Israel and the Palestinian territories….. it is tempting to expel Moustapha, but for the time being patience may be the best counsel. As for the U.S. envoy in Syria, so long as Ford continues to be effective on the ground, he should stay in Damascus. If, as promised, the Assad regime curtails his activities or movement, however, Washington should recall him. If and when this occurs, the administration should also take the opportunity to expel Moustapha.
Netanyahu said that Israel hopes to establish peace with Syria and that he believes that the young people of Syria deserve a better future.
Britain’s foreign minister William Hague said today that “more pressure is needed to stop the government’s crackdown on pro-democracy activists”, and “the situation remains very serious and if anything is deteriorating. Certainly there will be a time for further sanctions and we need to be discussing now what those would be.”
“Cyprus to revoke citizenship for Assad’s cousin placed on EU blacklist”
The World’s Biggest Problem? Too Many People, By: Mary Ellen Harte and Anne Ehrlich | Los Angeles Times
Our unsustainable population levels are depleting resources and denying a decent future to our descendants. We must stop the denial.
Comments (127)
Joshua said:
Why Discuss,
I hope you aren’t really thinking of leaving us. It would be a real loss for Syria Commment. You usually bring content and link to stories that I frequently use and would otherwise have missed.
You are a voice of reason and equanimity for those who support the regime and believe regime change will not serve Syria well.
Many disagree with you, but you force them to articulate themselves and you enrich our conversation immeasurably. I hope you will continue to comment and argue in the comment section.
July 21st, 2011, 7:59 pm
daleandersen said:
Stay, Why Discuss, stay!
July 21st, 2011, 8:43 pm
louai said:
Why Discuss
As you may have noticed I am posting in here any more , just busy with my brother and distressed because of what happening in Homs, I will poet now because I read you may leave ! please don’t ! syriacomment is for me like mini Syria ,it has regime supporters reform supporters Islamises revolutionists and part of it is occupied by Zionists
don’t leave it to the extremists , i learn a lot from you and other great minds in here
hope to read more of your comments ,thanks
July 21st, 2011, 9:16 pm
Abughassan said:
Saudi dollars and now Qatari dollars are a major corrupting force in the middle east and beyond. Their reach is not limited to the Arab world , they managed to establish a network of support and paid agents everywhere they tried including the US and other western countries.
Alasad regime,dad and son,is responsible for the vacuum we see in Syria where the only credible opposition to the regime is the islamists who will gladly take saudi money and adapt Saudi agenda as a “balancing ” act to face the perceived Iranian threat. I am less hopeful today compared to just two weeks ago but I will not quit,quitting is a sin now.
July 21st, 2011, 9:29 pm
Tara said:
why,
Are you giving up? Did you not believe in your cause?
Where did your love for Damascus go?
Stay on and fight the fight.
There were many many days I logged in refusing to hear any voice of regime’ support except for yours!!
You should reconsider.
July 21st, 2011, 9:35 pm
Jad said:
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With love buddy! 🙂
July 21st, 2011, 9:39 pm
ss said:
“Alasad regime,dad and son,is responsible for the vacuum we see in Syria where the only credible opposition to the regime is the islamists”
I would say the Assad regime, Dad and son, has always been against the Islamists. Dad fought them in Hama, and the son has to fight them all over Syria. Assad regime is the only credible opposition to the Islamists. The Syrian goverment is facing a huge challenge from those Islamists and instead of talking change, we should first save the country and then talk about throwing the president out as some people are advocating.
July 21st, 2011, 9:44 pm
Mick said:
Abughassan
There is not a Middle East nation that doesn’t have to deal with external pressures. Syria has been screwed because it has been in the crosshairs of Saudi/Israel/US for decades. Not because it attacks, but because it can’t be bought.
Nothing pisses a Saudi prince off more than someone that won’t do his bidding after he pays him off. Look at the Saudi owned media in the Middle East. Look at U.S. foreign policy. Saudi buys billions of military toys, and the U.S. ignores that woman can’t even drive in the country. Saudi ‘liberals’ are demanding change in Syria. Maybe if Saudi troops came in and the government set up chop-chop square in Damascus, the West would praise Bashar for his great ‘reforms’….as long as he distanced himself from Iran. (They let woman drive there!… how evil!)
And the U.S. thinks it can just dictate who the foreign minister of a nation should be. Look at the continued protests in Egypt. The protesters thought they had a government for them, and Tantawi appoints a foreign minister the GCC wants. Not who the people of Egypt want.
I’m just shocked that anyone with a basic understanding of the world political dynamics would think that the U.S and Saudi Arabia would have even the slightest concern of establishing a ‘democracy’.
I rather respect the Syrian position. Damascus hasn’t existed for 4000 years because it blows with the wind. It ignores the wind.
How many western nations are so far in debt that all social services are being cut. These are nations with massive resources. We in America are talking of cutting our care for the elderly! Why? Not because we can’t afford it, but because the rich control the nation and don’t want to pay taxes.
So to think Syria can magically have a government that provides all the support needed for all the people, while having limited resources, and living in an area where everyone is playing short term political games, is quite astonishing.
July 21st, 2011, 9:56 pm
Norman said:
SS,
The way i understand it is that suppressing the secular opposition opened the door for the Islamists to get stronger like denying the grass water only to see that the weed continue to thrive,
The president has to put forward the plan for Democratic Syria and i suggest using the American system of government to gain the support of the Americans as they are the only ones who count,and it is the best system for multi ethnic , multi religous Syria, and ask for help from the US to establish districts and plan election with primary and general election , decentralization of management so each county will be responsible to elect the governor and the county freeholders , each town will have it’s Mayer and city council, he has to set time line and get things moving at the same time that he is restoring peace and safety, so the elections would be free and fair.
And if i were him i would not run in 2014, but go with my family to London and practice medicine which he wanted in the first place.
July 21st, 2011, 10:04 pm
Revlon said:
I have not watched either this new Islamic station nor the regime sponsored Addunia TV channels.
However, I have read many pro-regime comments on Safa and Wisal as well as their quotations from Addunia station.
Based on the above exposure, here is a simple comparison between “Syria for the People” and “Addunia” TV stations:
– Owners: Bandar (0) vs Makhloof (-1)
– Rescources: Oil money (0) vs Corruption and money laundering (-1)
– Ideology: Ultraconservative islamic (0) vs Business and Power Monopoly (-1)
– Credibility: Not tested (0) vs None (-1)
– Audience: Ultraconservative citizens (0) vs shabbe7a and their supporters (-1).
– Message: Restore justice for their consituency (+1) vs Terminate Syrians, the conspiratotrs at whatever cost (-1)
In brackets were merit (+1), neutral (0) and demerit (-1) scores for each parameter.
Final score:
Syria for the People: +1 merit point out of a maximum of 6 merit points.
Addunia: -6 demerit points out of a maximum of 6 demerit points.
Scores may change as new facts emerge!
Addunia station’s only chance to do better is to shutt down, rendering this analysis invalid.
July 21st, 2011, 10:06 pm
Akbar Palace said:
Voice of ME Academia
You are a voice of reason and equanimity for those who support the regime and believe regime change will not serve Syria well.
Professor Josh,
Anyone who supports “the regime” can’t possibly be a “voice of reason”, since Syrians do not even have BASIC human rights.
July 21st, 2011, 10:18 pm
True said:
Tyranny has no religion or sect, it’s the coalition of forces and interests belonging to the various components of society.
Accusing Alawite sect of absolute “loyalty” to the regime is absurd and serves only the narrow benefit of regime and his group of “Menhebak”. The regime tries to doctor the Alawite sect to its advantage by seeding fear and intimidation of the change at a time! when everyone knows how much of the sacrifices made by members of the Alawite sect in opposition for decades.
Simply ALL Syrians should stick together against the regime’s attempts to stir up sectarian strife between the sons of one great nation. True Syrians should not kill each other just to please an illegitimate president who sits up there spending the money of poor tax-payers with his ancestors or the other one who hides behind a satellite channel and puffing his poisoned thoughts of hatred while both are enjoying the scenery of blood and fire breaking out Syrian cities. True Syrians should raise the voice of reason before throwing any accusations or taking stupid actions.
Does the group of “Menhebak” see themselves as Syrian or worshiper of Bashar (and his ancestors)?
July 21st, 2011, 10:19 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
I think why discuss is an example of what is happening in Syria.SC has become like ??? ???? in Homs,you log in and you get ?????? from Ubo Umer,you try to stop your bleeding using your shirt,Aboud stops by he spits at you and calls you scum,then he gives you few other slashes,then he uses his mobile to tape you and puts a voice saying???? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ???? you almost die and Tara comment would be that ther is no evidence that Aboud did it and it is Bashar’s and Asma responsibility.after why discus is killed by SC Revlon refuses to read faitha on him because he was in the list of ?????.
That is what he left befor we killed him.
July 21st, 2011, 10:22 pm
daleandersen said:
Memo To: MICK
RE: “…Syria has been screwed because it has been in the crosshairs of Saudi/Israel/US for decades. Not because it attacks, but because it can’t be bought…”
Wrong, Mick. Syria, through the Assad Mafia, has screwed herself. When a country manifests a foreign policy of hostility to her neighbors and to the world community in general, as Syria has, she shouldn’t be surprised that the world turns its back on her when she needs help.
The fact is, no one is there to help Syria. No one likes Syria. No one calls her “friend.”
I’ll give you three instances of recent Syrian “neighborliness:”
1. Lebanon. Syria has treated Lebanon like a colonial master, and a harsh master at that. And recently, by aiding and supporting Hizbollah, Syria has worked to destabilize her former colony.
2. Egypt. Syria gave aid, comfort and sanctuary to enemies of the Egyptian regime. Regardless of how you felt about Mubarak, he was the President of Egypt (in the same dictatorial sense as the Assads in Syria) and you shouldn’t expect good relations if you harbor violent enemies of a neighbor state.
3. Turkey. Syria allowed Kurdish rebels to use Syrian territory as a launching pad for violent acts against the Turkish people. Turkey had to threaten war to get the Assad mafia to put a lid on it.
No, Mick, Syria has acted like an asshole. And that’s why no one feels sorry for her. A lot of posters on SC think what’s happening inside Syria is due to an EU/CIA/Jew/al-Qaeda/Saudi/Salafist plot, but in reality, it’s 40 years of poisons oozing out of a rotting corpse.
It’s time to bury the body and time to rock the casbah, yes?
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/07/rock-casbah-yeahhhhhhhhhhhh.html
July 21st, 2011, 11:06 pm
True said:
For academics and intellectuals the concept of “disagreement” should not be a problem whatsoever!! Intellectuals have not abandon their ships every time they were intercepted (challenged) by some weird thoughts, hot debates, harmful accusations and maybe some insult! They were always able to draw a line between practicality and emotional break-down in order to promote and defend their messages whether these messages were right or wrong. Those who did not have the guts to carry on always threw some silly childish excuses were called “quitters”.
Dear SC debaters, keep it up and don’t be “quitters”!
July 21st, 2011, 11:27 pm
Revlon said:
The ratio of commentators on SC is still in favour of the regime. Such also reflects the current balance of physical power on the ground.
However, over the last couple of months, several pro-regimers have either withdrawn or announced the intention to, from SC.
The reasons given have been:
Tired, disgusted, futile discussion,—–.
This is the 4th stage of Grief in Kübler-Ross model; The depression; ” I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”
It is hitting supporters at various speeds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model.
SC commentatos’ current standoff, in someways reflects the bigger picture on the ground.
A large segment of the regime leadership and supporters have ineed lapsed into depression.
The good news is, they have finished 4 of 5 stages.
One more and they will be in the final stage:
Acceptance — “It’s going to be okay.”; “I can’t fight it, I may as well prepare for it.”
SC will be around to host the resolution phase!
Revlon will be around to serve AlFati7a, only this time to celebrate the renewal of our nationhood in a framework of respect to human rights.
July 21st, 2011, 11:31 pm
aboali said:
Fayez Ezel Deen claims today on Aljazeera that Blackwater is behind armed groups in Homs. watch 2:21
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2qoFQXzoho
how stupid do these regime spokesmen believe people are? So far we’ve had: Jordanians, Palestinians, Muslim Brothers, Salafis, Turks, NATO, Hariri, Bandar, Khadam, CIA, Blackwater.
At what point do they realize it’s getting a little ridiculous? or is rational thought not part of their makeup. The more the merrier I say, they’re discrediting themselves along with the regime they speak for.
July 21st, 2011, 11:33 pm
jad said:
SNK,
Smart comment as usual, thanks!
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http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=2486&EditionId=1902&ChannelId=44850
July 21st, 2011, 11:52 pm
jad said:
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http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=135259
July 22nd, 2011, 12:04 am
Alescander said:
The person(s) who are in charge in Syria will have to take the same positions of the current leadership, whoever takes control will either follow the same route , if not then Syria will go back to it’s 1950 s era of regional and international forces competing to gain control of it
Does this mean that Syria has to remain a free”less” country ? Not at all. With all sincere patriots who understand that Syrian people will never accept to be subdued to external powers, those patriots will help forge a new Syria cooperating with the current leadership that is now seeking to change it’s whole format into a new more inclusive government
disturbing factsI am hearing from visiting relatives They tell of deep and established sectarian divide in all aspects of life
you may be asked to get off your car on the highway and be humiliated if you are from a certain sect, you will not trust your neighbor , or your co- worker
You may say the regime has created this , I do not believe that , but if I do, I put an equal amount of blame on the near sighted opposition , especially in refusing dialogue
The crises is deep , and when ( not if ) Bashar pulls out of it , he will have helped create a better Syria , with more inclusive representation and decentralized rule, and the Syrian people will judge the ” revolution ” people as the facilitators of widespread chaos , the introducers of islamists and sectarian ideology
Make no mistake , I have seen the February 2011 calls for ” day of fury” in Syria on facebook , I wish I had copied the entries, all refer to sectarian hatred, those are the same people on the current Facebook disgusting page
Save your country first then sit down and talk , if you believe you will not be listened to , trust me , the way back to the protests is very accessible
Help spare the lives of your Syrian brothers and sisters and children, keep Syria safe.
July 22nd, 2011, 12:10 am
majedkhaldoon said:
No syrian will accept european or american interventions,US will not give permission to Turkey to invade Syria, more demonstrations, as the regime resort to violent crackdown,,economy will deteriorate,inflation will hit hard as Lira wil loose its value,people will start complain publicly,more demonstrations will ensue,this will not lead to Bashar resignation, the elite will feel the crisis, as it will hit there pockets, they will talk to bashar, he will decline,finally the protesters will recognize that they have to bear arms, to defend themselves, this will lead to much more casualities,,among Shabbiha and security forces,they will run away,Bashar will be left with only the army to depend on, he will need more than 4th brigade,and republican guards, then the troops will start defecting in large numbers, army officers will seperate creating cantons,they all will have one goal , to change the regime, but they all will be independent,pressure will mount on bashar to quit,internal division will end the regime.new dictator will appear,we will not get our democracy that we yearn for,a lot of blood will be spilled, a lot of properties will be destroyed.
July 22nd, 2011, 12:15 am
jad said:
Related to the earlier article I linked about how blind the ‘intellectuals’ are when they want to defend and cover up every flow of the movement, read what Dr. boring and Dr. Ghalyoun said about the ‘new’ ‘civil’ ‘Islamist’ youth, those academics need to be honest to their values and be straightforward when they see something wrong not to come up with smart ass wordings:
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http://www.al-akhbar.com/node/17245
July 22nd, 2011, 12:32 am
SYR.Expat said:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYrdPMs0JU&feature=player_embedded
This is the type of “dialogue” and reform the people of Syria should expect.
On another note, Ahmad Shlash, the chicken-hawk threatening the demonstrators in this video, complains in another video to the president about the delay and foot-dragging of the reform committees. Even this ardent Assad supporter can’t understand what’s keeping the so called reforms from being enacted. I can’t find the other video, but if someone has the link, please share it with us.
July 22nd, 2011, 12:46 am
Real Syrian said:
This terrorist Islamic Iemam provoke the rebels in Syria to kill Alawaites when their revolution control Syria…
July 22nd, 2011, 1:21 am
Samara said:
http://youtu.be/65NjJHCqWKY
July 22nd, 2011, 1:26 am
Aldendeshe said:
“………….A second White House official summarizes the new approach this way: “The Assad ship is sinking. The most important thing is to get people to realize this, so that, hopefully, they will jump off the ship and get on the lifeboat.” ……”
HEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHHEHEHHEHHEHE. Ahhhah hehehehe, oooh man, the first laugh in a week. Is that the assessment of (DWU) Dim Witt University at Langley?
And what is that fukn**g lifeboat one must jump into one wonder.!!! Look s like the lifeboat Syrian needs now is Bashar Assad.
July 22nd, 2011, 1:46 am
SYR.Expat said:
“This terrorist Islamic Iemam provoke the rebels in Syria to kill Alawaites when their revolution control Syria…”
Syria is the bedrock of traditional Islamic scholarship and sufism. Takfiri types like this so-called imam have been trying for a long time to get a foot-hold in Syria, but they were repulsed by the efforts of many scholars over the last 60+ years.
However, the Syrian government is making it easy for ‘arour and his ilk to spread their venom because of the silencing of the voices of moderation and not giving them a platform. Many courageous Syrian scholars have been banned from public speaking and teaching because they criticized the government and the killing of demonstrators.
By being sidelined and only giving few pro-regime scholars the platform, some people in Syria are turning to Wisal and other Saudi-funded channels and getting exposed to their dangerous takfiri and extremist ideas.
July 22nd, 2011, 1:57 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Syr Exp
So Alaaroor is the Syrian government fault?
Islam,Christianity ,judism,budism….all religions should stay in your heart and in your home,once you mix religion and politics it turns into poison.Islam should stay out of the struggle going on now or else the country will die.The church did as bad jobe in the middle ages when it practiced politics.That is why most of the syrians are against mixing religion in this,it will be a disaster .if a takfiri imam like Alaaroor calls for grounding Alalawi alive in grounding meat machines and giving them to dogs to eat,a moderate one will do the same thing but give them to cats.
Sunnis should have fair political power like any one else,but imams should be sent to the kind of vacation Atatork sent them to to be able to save the nation.
July 22nd, 2011, 3:07 am
Aboud said:
@26 As useless as all your other comments before you were banned.
@13 “Aboud stops by he spits at you and calls you scum” Sho wallak? Spitting is the habit of the Baathists posters when they read something by Landis that they don’t like.
And the fact that your feelings are hurt when I call looters, bullies, trigger happy thugs, funeral murderers and ambulance thieves “scum”, says alot about the regime supporters, not one of whom has dared broach the subject of Abu Kamal and what such defections might mean for junior. Just another example of the quality of discussion on their side. Seriously, this place could lose half a dozen more menhebakites and it wouldn’t make a difference.
This place is one of the few on the Internet that has bent over backwards to be accommodating to the regime supporters, and what have they done with that space? Have they discussed the arrest of activists and how it contradicts with efforts at a national dialogue? Have they pondered if, in the light of Abu Kamal, the Jisr Al Shoghour incident was covered up by the regime? No, they obsess over a guy on a horse and the size of flags, until one by one they get worn down by being held accountable for their outlandish statements, until the author of the website has to make a personal plea for them to stay on.
(Hint to the professor, for far too long, the regime supporters have been used to saying what they liked, how they liked, and not being held accountable. Actually being challenged on their opinions has been quite a shock to them).
One by one, the menhebakites slip away even from this website, where the author has at times risked his own credibility to accommodate them (the repeated linking to pro-regime videos without the slightest attempt at critical analysis comes to mind). They have realized, all too late, that their “love” for junior isn’t going to be enough to save him from himself.
The menhebak crowd are like a mother with a spoiled little brat; no matter what he breaks and no matter how much he whines, she just doesn’t have the heart to discipline him.
Is that all you got junior? It’s going to take alot more divisions than he has to even start to subdue Homs.
July 22nd, 2011, 3:53 am
Aboud said:
@2 “As you may have noticed I am posting in here any more”
Actually I’ve noticed something else. You claimed that the three Alawites found dead in Al-Wa3r were killed because they were “organizing a pro reform rally”. For the life of me I can’t find a single person in Homs who has heard of this rally. You claimed it was “conveniently” called off.
And yet if my friend or brother died for a rally, that would only make me more determined to see it through. Are the relatives and friends of the slain men such cowards? Or, as is more likely, your story about the three men and what they died for is…”highly questionable”?
July 22nd, 2011, 4:22 am
Samara said:
ABOUD,
You mla3een crowd can bark and bark and bark. You bark, then choke. And the process continues. We on here who support Assad support him because we know, like you who tries to deny it, we know that he has changed Syria. Taefieyh was not so important after Hafez, bless be his name, and Bashar took over. On our way to the protest outside the French and American Embacies, a Christian women told me, “If you go up and speak, tell the Americans that we Syrians are one. Nehna ma 3endna taefiyeh.” I was proud to her say that. You mla3een can accuse us, and Bashar for whatever the hell you want. But we will not change our stance.
Those who left SC have left because of the constant negative and vulgar descriptions you have been using to describe the man who, along with his great father, built Syria. They have left, because there is no point arguing with dogs. They have left because there is no point arguing with those who have betrayed our country. No matter what, no matter if stone hard evidence comes to you and says “here i am. Look at what your peaceful protesters are doing”, no matter how obvious it is, you still spill your filthy malicy all over SC, claiming that Bashar is responsibe for your peoples actions. There is no need to argue with brainless dogs. Because when you chastise them for being wrong, they just bark louder.
We love Bashar al Assad. And our love for him will prevail over the hate. Just try not to cry when you and your like are being stepped on.
Mehebak ya Bashar.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:27 am
syau said:
Aboud #29,
That would make you the spoiled little brat that can’t see right from wrong, can’t take it that big brother is moving things forward and cleaning the house from the dirt within and dirt has come in from the outside, the little brat that refuses to admit there are armed elements within the ‘revolution’, those who are murdering in cold blood, mutilating and burning corpses, killing those who are there to protect the country along with civilians just to quench their thirst for blood and because their leader Ar’our told them it would ensure them a ticket to heaven.
That would make you the spoiled little brat that always blames everything that goes wrong on big brother, and when the little brat grows up, he will just carry on with his spoiled behaviour, but will have the additives of foul words to include during his tantrums.
#30,
The same little brat who cannot be sensitive to anyone’s feelings,and blatantly accuses them of falsifying an event, especially if what they are saying is in contradiction to the fabrications you portray. ‘Highly questionable’ is a comment I would use to describe you.
When this is all over and Bashar prevails, I hope the spoiled little brat can be big enough to eat his words.
July 22nd, 2011, 5:02 am
syau said:
Revlon #16,
A breakdown of the revolution in phases:
Phase 1- Ground work for destruction, (under the banner of a revolution of course) the beginnings of the protests, legitimate demands to begin with, to ensure they have actual reason for protests. Also make sure you have a different name for every Friday.
Phase 2- Armed elements with the protests, making sure to fire at the protesters and security personnel, and then blame the violence on the government. Make sure there is plenty of money to ensure the armed recruits obey their every rule.
Phase 3- Fabrications, and lots of them, including fake deaths, funerals and fake army defections. Ensure the news broadcasting networks you have on board have enough of the fabricated videos to spread as many lies on a daily basis, and make sure you have false eyewitnesses ready for questioning by the various networks.
Phase 4- The addition of sectarianism, in hope for division (the divide and conquer strategy). Execution style murders, mutilations, kidnappings, rapes, ensure people are terrorised enough to fear leaving their house.
Phase 5- Refer as many fabricated videos and false accounts to human rights bodies and advocate foreign interference in the country.
Phase 6- If the above didn’t work in making the mountain bow, endorse crippling of the economy, no need to worry about the average Syrian being gravely affected if the economy was to crumble, as long as the ends justifies the means.
Phase 7 – When you realise the conspiracy has been unravelled and the Syrian people stand by their president, ensure you go out with a bang and commit as many horrific crimes as possible, kill as many army and security personnel and destroy as much infrastructure as possible, just to make a point.
End result: Not what you imagined, you found that the Syrian people have a great sense of national unity, have faith in their president, look forward to positive reforms and reject this farce of a revolution. The only phase that is left for you is: Retreat. You failed.
Positive and negative – Supporters of Bashar fall into the positive category, they support reforms and a better Syria, they support national unity and diversity.
-Supporters of this revolution, add negativity to every situation. refuse dialogue, reject reforms and cannot handle unity – this would refer to those who do not admit the violent elements within the revolution, or try to blame their existance on the government, especially those who follow Ar’our and Wisal & Safa networks, it does not refer to those who criticise the government because they want a better Syria.
July 22nd, 2011, 5:44 am
mjabali said:
The Middle East in general needs a secular/liberal independent TV station NOW more than ever.
It needs an independent channel to air discussions, science and entertainment. This is important especially with the raid of religious channels and its cartoonish characters like al-Zughbi, for example, who in one instance is declaring Jihad on the Alawis (By the way he is Egyptian) while spewing hatred towards Jews all day long. Who the hell is this guy? did anyone see him in a you tube video inciting the Muslims in Egypt to storm a Coptic Church this year? Do I really want to listen,or watch someone like this man? Where is the international law in this case regarding those who are spewing cross-border religious hatred from TV stations?
Syria, and the Middle East in general, needs that secular TV station to advance a real progressive agenda that could be discussed among all in the open. This secular TV station will force a dialogue that for sure will lead to something concrete in this life instead of the religious channels that are only interested in the afterlife, the supernatural and of course spreading the hatred toward the others.
July 22nd, 2011, 5:55 am
syau said:
Mjabali #34,
I totally agree, a secular/liberal independent TV station is desperately needed throughout the Middle East.
July 22nd, 2011, 6:02 am
norman said:
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Syria-Deploys-Forces-in-Damascus-Ahead-of-Planned-Protests-126004073.html
July 22nd, 2011, 8:14 am
N.Z. said:
Being a witness to the upheavals and revolutions around the Arab world, I cannot but say it is about time. Time for new blood. Time where the population can live without fear of expressing their views and demanding better living conditions. It is time that we and our leaders live as equals. It is time when the leader understands, that he is not doing us a favour, but he is there to serve us and lead us to higher ground.
Arabs were ecstatic with disbelief when Bin Ali and Mubarak were forced out. The populist movements were swift, and successful. What happened later,
Junior, is working on change, he needs more time, he cannot work under pressure and will not! What an excuse.
Our national security demands that we concentrate on the enemy and forget our people. Until we regain our stolen land, only then we can move forward. Mind you, not one bullet in the right direction.
After 40 years, we achieved neither. When? with time…
Qatar, helped Bashar personally. He put him on the international stage, opened door for him to meet with other world leaders, the dispute between the Saudi king and Bashar was solved, Qatar invested 6-7 billion dollars in Syria and built 3 mansions, all, with good intentions. This friendship ended badly. The Qataris left with disgust. It is not the first
If Jr. is promising reform and free media, and he can not tolerate
a foreign broadcast, Aljazeera. What kind of reform that will sever a personal friendship, and a friend of Syria.
Myself, like Bashar, I do not belief in half men. I ask where is the man who lectured Arabs at the expense of Hizbullah’s victory in 2006 ?
He is neither half a man. The country is in shambles, the only speech Syrians are hearing, are bullets and screams of the dead and living. He is a coward.
They must pack and leave. every Friday, the protesters are soaring in numbers, and the regime confronts them with bullets, torture and another invention, another lie, another excuse.
July 22nd, 2011, 8:14 am
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Today’s demonstrations are the biggest so far. I said it last Friday, and it was true then. This Friday, more people on the streets, the protest is larger and wider than in any previous Friday. And growing.
.
July 22nd, 2011, 9:15 am
AIG said:
Amir,
And with Ramadan around the corner.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:00 am
syau said:
Reports that an explosive device planted in a garbage container near Al Omari mosque in Daara blew up, injuring ten law enforcement personnel, two were severely injured.
Another member of the security personnel was severely injured by after being shot by the terrorist gangs around Bab Tadmor roundabout in Homs.
Also reports of armed gangs going on a drive by shooting rampage in Azaz (outskirts of Aleppo). Reportedly one man was martyred in Aleppo today. May he and all martyrs rest in peace.
Amir in Tel aviv,
Yet again you are saying today’s demonstrations are the largest to date. Just a little advice, try not to gather too much information from Aljazeera or Alarabia, as they are known to severly increase the numbers of protesters. For example, Deir Al Zour has a population of approximately 239k, yet some networks are claiming the number of protesters there reached 400k. Al Arabia claimed the number of protesters reached 1.1 million, just a slight exaggeration, don’t you think?
Aljazeera is also reportedly airing old footage and claiming it is of the protests today.
It doesn’t look as though the demonstrations are growing in size by any means, but unfortunately it seems as though the trigger happy gangs are increasing the amount of their shooting rampages with every week that goes by.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:05 am
AIG said:
If it is Assad that is telling the truth, why is he banning the free press? Why is he limiting the movements of ambassadors?
You can say whatever you want, but ACTIONS are what counts. And if it is Assad who is not letting the truth out, it is clear that it is he that is lying. Who is not letting the free press in, Assad or the protesters? It is so simple. You accuse the protesters of lying? Let the free press in to ascertain that. The truth is probably that the vast majority of protesters are peaceful and that is what Assad does not want the world to see.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:10 am
N.Z. said:
Another singer from Hama, another song for a free Syria. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVh_FAHgWSU&feature=share
Yet, we start our days listening to the late Ibrahim Kashoush, Souriya bida huriyah, Syria wants its freedom!
The simplicity of the lyrics describing nationalist pain of the Assad era, makes it unforgettable.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:10 am
Revlon said:
34. Dear mjabali:
You said: “The Middle East in general needs a secular/liberal independent TV station NOW more than ever.”
I though Addunia is one!
– First, It is secular and liberal.
It is lead by example.
Makhloof boy is shaven (No beard), wears suits and ties, does not pray and drinks lots of liquor.
His lady presenters, are topless (I mean No 7ijab) and wear skirts.
– Second: It is independant.
How much more independant can one get?
The guy owns the station!
He does not need any business or political party to support him. Actually, with his money he can buy several partys, make them compete in elections, and run a gambling business on who would win the elections, while the procedes more than pay for the investment!
A station that identifies or promote itself as and preach secular liberal subjects would only appeal to and be watced by secular liberals!
The result, people like yourself can kick back, have a beer, and become more secular and liberal watching your favourite station, while other fellow Syrians, each watch the stations that fit their taste.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:15 am
AIG said:
SYAU,
Instead of accusing the press of lying, just let them do their job freely. Then the truth will emerge. Let everybody that wants to cover Syria, cover Syria. Why the secrecy? Until Assad lets the free press in, it is clear he is lying about the situation.
I do think there are attacks against the Syrian police and army by armed people and citizens seeking revenge. But after so many months of the regime killing so many people, including children, do you not think this is inevitable? Is it not the regime’s responsibility to curb its violence and apologize for its mistakes and free all the people it arrested? Seeing and judging just the reaction is a mistake. The majority of the responsibility for the violence lies at the regime’s feet.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:15 am
N.Z. said:
SYAU,
I agree.
We are all worried about Bashar’s Security Services. They must stay close to his royal highness and away from the masses, it is the only recipe that will save lives. No confrontation, no life loss.
It worked in Hama, it worked with the loyalists masses. Is it doable?
God bless all Martyrs.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:17 am
Syria no kandahar said:
?????? ????? ????????? ??? :????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ????
I did’t know he he was ??? ??????,I thought god was,another invention from dairlzor,in addition to the ??? invention.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:19 am
Revlon said:
The government has tested waters with Imams on the issue of closing Mosques for Tarawee7 prayers, during the month of Ramadan.
The plan was communicated to a group of Imams by Jr’s Imam AlBooti and the Minster of Awqaf.
It was rejected by some Imams. Their answer was: We will pray, even in the streets!
???? . ?????? 22-7-2011 : ????? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ???????? ??
??????? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????? 13-7-2011 ? ????? ??? ?????? 25 ??? ????? ? ??? ?? ?????? ?. ?????? ? ????? ????????? ?. ???? ???? ? ???? ?????? ????? ????… ??????? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ? ?????? ???? ??? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ????????? ?. ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? ? ??????? … ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? !! ?? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ???? !! ?? ???? ????? ???? : ?? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? !! ??? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?? ??????? ? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ???????? ????? ????????? ???? ?????? … ??? ?? ????? ???? : ?? ?????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ???????? ? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ????? !! ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ??? : ????? ???????? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ???????
July 22nd, 2011, 10:29 am
Aboud said:
@40 “For example, Deir Al Zour has a population of approximately 239k”
Wrong, the population is over 500,000 in the city itself. Once more, I have to remind people here that demonstrators converge on the main city from surrounding villages, if there are no roadblocks to stop them.
“Reports that an explosive device planted in a garbage container near Al Omari mosque in Daara ”
Since yesterday, people were reporting that the security forces were deployed near the Omari Mosque to prevent demonstrations there. How did someone manage to plant a bomb in the middle of all those security men? Rather, the tall tales of trash-bombs is a convenient excuse to justify the heavy handed security presence near the mosque.
@33 What you’ve written was lifted, word for word, from the infamous and fake “Bandar Plan” that the pro-regime crowd distributed during the first month of the revolution. I’m quite surprised someone would actually refer to it again after all these months.
@31 “Those who left SC have left because of the constant negative and vulgar descriptions you have been using to describe the man who, along with his great father, built Syria”
So just by calling Bashar Al-Fasad “junior” and “the eye doctor”, I can empty a website that is sympathetic to the regime, of all regime supporters? I promise to use this power only for good…..yeah right 🙂
Doesn’t say much about the commitment of the menhebaks that they are so quick to jump ship this way.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:39 am
syau said:
Revlon #47,
Syria’s Grand Mufti has confirmed that there was no meeting to discuss the closure of mosques for Tarawih prayers, during the month of Ramadan at all, contrary to what media channels and internet sites are broadcasting.
Enough of the malicious lies. Fabrications like this only serve to escalate sectarian strife.
Aboud,
“What you’ve written was lifted, word for word, from the infamous and fake “Bandar Plan” that the pro-regime crowd distributed during the first month of the revolution. I’m quite surprised someone would actually refer to it again after all these months.”
Really, please provide the proof, what I wrote was not ‘lifted’ from anywhere and I do not know what you are referring to. I called it how I saw it. Please also let me know how you found the 500k figure. And regarding the explosive device in Daara, you can just continue on denying the truth to cover up for this violent revolution. It’s expected.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:40 am
N.Z. said:
During Bashar’s reign Taraweeh was never a problem. Why now?
So, SNK what are your views on these sheiks, they are close to the Heir, are you okay with them?
July 22nd, 2011, 10:40 am
Tara said:
Revlon
I think it is the regime that is going through the 5 phases of grief and is currently at phase no. 4. From denial to anger to bargaining and now depression then finally acceptance. Of course, the stages lap with each others.
First, it started with denial of the presence of legitimate desire for freedom and dignity and attributed the popular movement on conspiracy shared by mundaseens/salafis/israel/harriri/Bandar/and the west.
Then, it moved to anger, unleashing monstrous brutality against it’s people.
Then come bargaining, announcing pseudo-reforms, asking for dialogue by invitation, and
pretending of forging a comprehensive strategy for the country.
Now, after its attempt of carrying internal salvation dialogue that turned out to be unfruitful, it is going through depression, Colored by mental fatigue, and diminished desire for blood. 7 were killed today compared to 120 during good Friday. I think this dying regime is beginning to understand the certainty of death….and I expect it to become silent for a while. I don’t believe they are going to call for a dialogue anymore.
And finally, acceptance would eventually come….
July 22nd, 2011, 10:54 am
Abu Umar said:
” 1. Joshua said:
Why Discuss,
I hope you aren’t really thinking of leaving us. It would be a real loss for Syria Commment. You usually bring content and link to stories that I frequently use and would otherwise have missed.
You are a voice of reason and equanimity for those who support the regime and believe regime change will not serve Syria well.
Many disagree with you, but you force them to articulate themselves and you enrich our conversation immeasurably. I hope you will continue to comment and argue in the comment section. ”
Thats rich coming from someone(Why discuss) who joked about those have been jailed in Syrian dungeons, where thousands were and are executed, tortured, disppeared, even raped with rubber hoses.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:58 am
Syria no kandahar said:
Revlon
Topless(I mean no hijab)
So to you ?? ???? and ?????? ??? and mrs Attassi they are all topless.do you enjoy looking at them?why don’t you tell people upfront that you are what you are and deceive them,just tell them that you just came out of the cave in Afghanstan and that you are a Syrian Taliban.To you 90% of women in the world are topless that includes mrs Clinton,Ashtoon,mrs Obama….why don’t you tell them that?
What kind of a brain will call someone who dos’t wear hijab topless?so if a woman wears hijab and the bottom is ???? ??? is she not topless?is that your definition for ??? mr ???? ??? people like you will take Syria to the dark ages.
Let me tell you something sir,it is not what you wrap your head with which matters,it is what inside it which matter,by that standard you can be considered topless.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:01 am
Jad said:
SyAu,
I like when someone start to argue about city population without any ref or clue of what the real number is.
The population of Deir Azzor is closer to +300,000 not 500,000. Let them go look for it before you even bother reply to them.
What’s funny is that Deir Azzor protest was estimated as 500,000 last Friday yet this Friday is 400,000 (the answer they told them to say is the the villages around it participate, but regardless) that is 100,000 less therefore it’s not the biggest yet, they actually lost 100,000 supposed supporters.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:20 am
Aboud said:
@49 You want me to provide you with the silly Bandar Plan? I don’t keep a copy around, anymore I do that other fabrication, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It’s your bunch who think it’s a blueprint for the destruction of Syria, you guys dig it up.
Or maybe, unlike some, certain people have finally realized that it was a really, really bad idea to accuse Bandar this way.
“Please also let me know how you found the 500k figure”
*rolls eyes*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_ez-Zor
If you want to dispute them, by all means provide your own source. Maybe you should ask Reem Hadad to provide you with exact figures. Doesn’t she work at the Minister of Information (or Lack, thereof).
@49 “Enough of the malicious lies. Fabrications like this only serve to escalate sectarian strife.”
Rubbish. Do you know what escalates sectarian strife? Letting loose a bunch of shabiha scum on Al-Hadara street, smashing up every Sunni store and establishment, and then providing armed cover for them as they go on a rampage on the rest of Homs.
I have yet to hear a single menhebakite say anything about the despicable way the shabiha scum stole ambulances from the Ber Hospital, and used them to get close to a funeral and fire on it. This is not made up, there is video proof of them traveling in their conveys towards Khaldia. The entire world has seen, again and again, the massacre at the Khalid ibn Waleed mosque.
Oh, and then for good measure, the regime then sent in APCs to Bab Esba3, the closet neighborhood to Hadara. Can the regime justify this military operation? We have seen not one image, or video, of armed gangs in that neighborhood.
And you have the nerve to talk about sectarian strife. The menhebaks don’t care if the entire country burns, anything to sustain the unsustainable rule of Bashar al-Fasad.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:20 am
Abu Umar said:
Syria no Kandahar,
Do you support the killing of tens of thousands of Sunnis by the Syrian regime and the torture practised in the dungeons of Asad?
July 22nd, 2011, 11:25 am
5 dancing shlomos said:
itzchak weismann, nyt/anthony shadid, david ignatius/wapost, shenkar & tabler/winep, nutnyahoo, w. hague/one of tel aviv’s english agents.
can we get more zionist points of view? (shadid is employed by an extreme zionist paper and gives little of value)
July 22nd, 2011, 11:29 am
syau said:
Aboud,
As usual, you falsely accuse, but when asked to provide proof, you run around it. Again just as expected.
A prime example of escalating sectarianism is Revlon’s comments in #47. Another example is Ar’our and his preaches. The chants during the protests by his followers, and, the fabrications of your comments in #55. “‘Shabiha’ Stolen ambulances”, lol.
Jad,
The networks continue to contradict themselves, and yet they continue to say, along with some here ‘today was the largest protests yet’.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:33 am
Abu Umar said:
\”Aboud,
As usual, you falsely accuse, but when asked to provide proof, you run around it. Again just as expected.
A prime example of escalating sectarianism is Revlon’s comments in #47. Another example is Ar’our and his preaches. The chants during the protests by his followers, and, the fabrications of your comments in #55. “‘Shabiha’ Stolen ambulances”, lol.\”
You say he\’s falsely accusing, have you forgotten that your regime is an old hand at this killing tens of thousands, and many of your menhebek lunatics have justified this.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:48 am
5 dancing shlomos said:
2 posts worth re reading: 8. Mick, 33. syau.
@33, re Phase 5- “Refer as many fabricated videos and false accounts to human rights bodies”
human rights watch and amnesty international are willing recipients of lies and fabricate quite a bit on their own to increase the chances of assault on enemies of israel and the zionized west. they are zionist organizations and tools of imperialism.
western media presents 99% lies and deceptions not factual reporting – in other words, war mongering fabricators.
western media is used to justify aggression. it delivers the needed lies.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:49 am
jad said:
SyAu,
That’s what count less brutality:
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????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ??????? ?? ????? ? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?? ?????????.
????? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ? ??? ??? ????? ????????? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????? ??????? ?????.
???? ???? ?????????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ????????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????.
????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?? “??????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ??????? ,??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ??????? ? ???? ????”.
???? ?????? ??” ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ????????? ???? ???????? ?? ??? ?????”.
??? ??? ????? ????????? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???????? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ??????
???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ? ????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ????????? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????.
?? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?????? ???? “??? ???????? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ????”.
??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ???? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ??????? .
???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? “?????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?? ???????? ??? ??????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????? ???? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ?????” .
?????? ????????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ? ???????? ????????? ???? ????? ??? ????.
??????? ????????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ??? 15 ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??? ????????? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????.
????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ?????????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ???????? “????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????”.
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http://syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=135281
July 22nd, 2011, 12:18 pm
Tara said:
Jad,
I agree, less brutality is shown today and if that is the new trend, this may represent a real milestone towards resolution of the crisis
July 22nd, 2011, 12:36 pm
Aboud said:
@54 I provided a source, kindly provide yours. Or doesn’t junior keep such figures on hand?
SYAU, I don’t keep a copy of the Bandar Plan around. You can ask one of your friends that fabricated it. Or are you now disowning it entirely?
July 22nd, 2011, 12:43 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
Ubo umer
Killing is not something I was tought ,your question as you is very sectarian:do support killing of Sunni?I don’t support killing of any Syrian,Iraqi,
Or even Israeli….I will stop their,because a sectarian question will lead to a sectarian answer.
July 22nd, 2011, 1:09 pm
Tara said:
Kandahar,
Good answer.
July 22nd, 2011, 1:19 pm
daleandersen said:
Geez! If you put the DANCING SHLOMOS together with ABU UMAR, you’d get Dumb & Dumber meets the Blind Leading The Blind….
July 22nd, 2011, 1:54 pm
mjabali said:
Mr Revlon comment #43
You said:
“A station that identifies or promote itself as and preach secular liberal subjects would only appeal to and be watced by secular liberals!
The result, people like yourself can kick back, have a beer, and become more secular and liberal watching your favourite station, while other fellow Syrians, each watch the stations that fit their taste. ”
You are wrong Mr. Revelon because a secular/liberal station would appeal to all.
Secular ideas are inclusive not exclusive like religions, like Islam in our case. For example, look at how Middle Eastern Muslim TV stations does not appeal to all. This is a fact. They are very divisive, aggressive and of course faraway from scientific thinking.
A secular/liberal TV station will put religion on the side when have to, and discusses religion with no taboos when needed also. Taboos kill any real form of dialogue.
A secular/Liberal station will not preach but discuss and be a place for INTERACTIVE IDEAS. The preachy nature of the religious stations is not suitable to our times.
Also, on a secular/Liberal station a real dialogue between the religious establishment and the others could start.
Muslim TV station is scared from this confrontation because, as far as I have seen so far, religious thinkers lost most of the recent battles especially against the non-religious ones.
The Muslim establishment, Mr. Revlon, is not interested in a dialogue as much as it is interested into telling people what to do.
July 22nd, 2011, 2:57 pm
Sami Walid from Lattakian said:
We are Waiting Ramadan month to make the street move more and more against the regime…..Ied Alfster should be in Syria
July 22nd, 2011, 3:00 pm
Majed97 said:
According to Aljazeera and Arabia, 150% of the population of Hama and Deir alzor are demonstrating against the government on Fridays…yet, the pro-government demonstrators in those same cities number in the hundreds of thousands on different days?!? If that’s the case, then at least some of them must be professional demonstrators going by the modo: demonstrate early and often…
July 22nd, 2011, 3:07 pm
MONTAGNARD said:
ABOUD @48
You say in your comment that what was written in 33, was lifted from the “Bandar Plan”. I give you the benefit of the doubt and take your word for it.
My question to you is: When you compare what was written in 33 as a rebuttal to 16, don’t you think that 33 is a more realistic sequence of events than 16, given the history of how events have unfolded?
July 22nd, 2011, 3:15 pm
Observer said:
I think this declaration from the Alawi Youth movement is worth reading
http://the-syrian.com/archives/21881
I have no new thoughts except to say that there were reports of up to 1.2 million demonstrating across Syria today against the regime and that the security option is rather failing.
July 22nd, 2011, 3:26 pm
jad said:
#@
Here we go again arguing about numbers.
Your Wikipedia is not always the source for correct numbers because it can be easily manipulated.
Here are some hints for you to be aware of for the next time you want to debate numbers:
In 2004 the population of Deir Azzor province was: 1,004,747
in 2010 the population (living in) is: 1,202,000
In 2004 the population of Deir Azzor City alone was 211,857
In 2010 the population of Deir Azzor city is NOT 500,000, go search:
http://www.cbssyr.org/yearbook-EN.htm
And if you don’t want to waste your time or anybody’s else, a small math will give you the right number that is NOT 500,000.
One more thing, regardless of the city population, the percentage of people younger than age 9 and older than 65 is around 32% which means that if every male of the whole province from age 10-65 went to the city to protests the numbers will be 400,000 and not 500,000…which is logically impossible.
My impression that this Friday was slightly less in numbers than last Friday.
As I wrote before, math doesn’t lie, media DOES all the times and writers usually exaggerate to prove their own points, just check this article about today, the number of victims of today according to Qurabi are at least 6 but Khaled of Reuters put them at 11, because Khaled wanted his numbers to be higher for more coverage so he add the 5 victims from the day before.
http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-cities-erupt-protests-friday-prayers-105222563.html
6 killed out of 1,200,000 I guess the exaggeration in numbers didn’t work well since it showed the government not as criminal as the media is trying to portray it, Syria News is right:
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July 22nd, 2011, 3:33 pm
N.Z. said:
“6 killed out of 1,200,000 ……showed the government not as criminal as the media is trying to portray it, Syria News is right”
Jad,
Maybe the number 6 is magical and has the power to exonerate all criminals.
July 22nd, 2011, 3:49 pm
Nour said:
N.Z.:
That’s not what Jad is saying here. The point is that if, as many opposition figures and media sources are arguing, the security forces are shooting demonstrators right and left, and if, as they have claimed, there were 1.2 million demonstrators today, then it is impossible for only 6 people to die if we are to take those two premises as fact. This is not to exonerate the actions of the security throughout this period. The argument Jad, as well as people like myself, is making is that there are lies and exaggerations on all sides. The events in Syria are not as clear cut and one-sided as each side likes to portray.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:00 pm
SYR.Expat said:
“6 killed out of 1,200,000 I guess the exaggeration in numbers didn’t work well since it showed the government not as criminal as the media is trying to portray it, Syria News is right”
Okay, so today the government is “not as criminal as the media is trying to portray it.” I’ll accept that. However, the statement above admits that the government is criminal government none the less, which explains why the people want it gone.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:05 pm
SYR.Expat said:
“there are lies and exaggerations on all sides”
Indeed there is. This is why we need freedom of the press to make it harder to lie and exaggerate.
However, the majority of the blame rests on the shoulder of the government for preventing the press from doing its job. At the very least, Syrians should be able to document and report events on the ground without being arrested or harassed.
It’s been 4 months and there is no freedom of the press. Even some of the most ardent supporters of the government can’t understand why reforms are not happening as promised.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:11 pm
Jad said:
Thank you Nour,
That was exactly what I meant.
I guess NZ will feel better for this news:
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Syr.Expat,
Bravo, you got me, since I always write the government is peaceful.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:15 pm
SYR.Expat said:
Again, the comment editing feature is not working for me. Few corrections:
75.
…that the government is criminal none the less…
76.
Indeed there are.
…rests on the shoulders…
July 22nd, 2011, 4:15 pm
SYR.Expat said:
77. JAD
Not at all. You’ve been reasonable over all.
However, your comment can be used against those pro-regime supportes who are still in denial about the role of the security forces in the killing of demonstrators.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:23 pm
Aboud said:
@72
http://www.cbssyr.org/yearbook/2010/Data-Chapter2/TAB-1-2-2010.htm
The province’s population was put at 1.6 million for 2010. Kindly put the link that places the population of Dayr el Zour at such low figures as you mention. 200,000 people in the city would mean an urban to rural ratio unheard of in any country.
Otherwise, please spare us the whining if someone quotes a source that doesn’t fit your narrative.
“As I wrote before, math doesn’t lie”
(Edited for personal attack)? You want to tell me you never heard the phrase “Lies, damn lies and statistics?”
July 22nd, 2011, 4:24 pm
SYR.Expat said:
80. ABOUD
No need to use this language (“How old are you?”).
If there is photographic evidence, it’s very easy to estimate the numbers. Math doesn’t lie.
Some people in the opposition like to inflate the numbers and that is wrong. People should report the truth. If they don’t have an accurate estimate, they can say something that cannot be debunked (for example, “tens of thousands came out today”).
July 22nd, 2011, 4:34 pm
jad said:
#0
I made a mistake to explain to an obvious ignorant about numbers, never again.
July 22nd, 2011, 4:42 pm
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July 22nd, 2011, 4:45 pm
Aboud said:
OK, let’s talk about numbers.
Number of pro-junior demos in Hama….0
Number of pro junior protests in Idlib…0.
Deir el Zour….0
Dar’a….0
Homs…gosh, it’s been so long, but I’ll say 2.
And so on and so forth.
Meantime, there’s something big going on in Bab Esba3, all hell seems to have broken loose at the Military Academy, and yet some people still obsess over whether 500,000 or 450,000 came out and told junior to take a hike. Either way, it’s still a massive percentage of the town. Math doesn’t lie. Hehehe.
July 22nd, 2011, 5:16 pm
Tara said:
Aboud,
As a co-mamenhebak, I am asking you kindly to refrain fom the use of personal attacks. Aside than it It does not sound good and it weakens your argument, your constant presence is important to balance the view of the regime supporters and therefore you should not risk being banned… Please.
July 22nd, 2011, 5:47 pm
SYR.Expat said:
I think it will improve things on this forum if people took a vow of civility.
I’ll start.
I promise to be civil in my comments and to apologize if I am not.
——-
ci·vil·i·ty
noun?/s??vil?t?/?
Formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech
– I hope we can treat each other with civility and respect
Polite remarks used in formal conversation
– she was exchanging civilities with his mother
in·ci·vil·i·ty
noun?/ins??vil?t?/?
incivilities, plural
Rude or unsociable speech or behavior
– absenteeism and incivility were not tolerated
An impolite or offensive comment
July 22nd, 2011, 6:11 pm
Tara said:
Syrian Expat
How do you think Syrians will be demonstrating in Ramadan, after sunset or during the day?
July 22nd, 2011, 6:18 pm
SYR.Expat said:
87. TARA
I really don’t know. If I were to guess, people will keep on demonstrating at night.
We’ll know for sure in a couple of week.
July 22nd, 2011, 6:31 pm
Aboud said:
Tara @85 Yes ma’am.
Sorry Jad.
But I don’t mind being called Pony Tail Aboud. I worked hard to earn it.
July 22nd, 2011, 6:40 pm
jad said:
These news are not about the peaceful movement anymore, it’s the combat/war between well armed militia and the national army, it has nothing to do with ‘down with the regime’ or “Ir7l Ir7l ya Bashar’ we see in the street, it’s a totally different beast and the army have no choice but to bring back security to the country.
This is what people in Homs have to deal with:
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July 22nd, 2011, 6:59 pm
syau said:
Aboud #55,
I’m not going to get involved in a pointless arguement with you.
Either provide proof to support you accusation or accept that you got it wrong. I know that may be hard for you, but admitting you’re wrong will not hurt.
I don’t know what you’re talking about when you refer to a ‘Bander’ plan, but I think I must have hit home if my comments in #33 got you so worked up.
July 22nd, 2011, 7:01 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
The mnhebaks’ use of body count in order to “prove” their reactionary arguments, is disgusting and perverse.
For me, even 1 protester in the streets of Syria, is a huge achievement. It’s clearly more protesters than in February and earlier = Zero.
Where is Bouthaina? If I don’t see her every few days or so, I start to miss her a lot.
.
July 22nd, 2011, 7:12 pm
syau said:
This is not a revolution, this is a movement to kill as many Syrians and Syrian armed forces as possible, otherwise, why would a bus carrying army soldiers and officers to their post be attacked?
http://www.sana.sy/eng/337/2011/07/22/359773.htm
“Homs, (SANA)-Two army members were martyred and two officers were severely wounded at the hands of an armed terrorist group which targeted a military bus that was transporting a number of military officers and soldiers to their work posts, A military source announced Thursday.
The terrorists fired at the bus with machine guns and heavy weapons from the surrounding orchards along Aleppo-Homs highway near al-Rastan entrance, claiming the lives of Sergeants Issa Jawdat al-Ali and Wael Abbas al-Hussein and critically wounding Colonel Ghyath Abbas Akel and Major Maan Yousef.”
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They commit such terrible acts, and excuse it as being under the banner of a revolution. What a shame.
Reports of a gun battle between the Syrian armed forces and terrorist armed gangs in Homs now.
July 22nd, 2011, 7:13 pm
SYR.Expat said:
This is what people in Homs have to deal with:
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http://youtu.be/NMfm0-PrANY
We can’t see who’s shooting who. It could be the army doing the shooting. How can we tell? Also, HNN is a pro-regime propaganda outlet. Their credibility is highly questionable.
One thing for sure, the government doesn’t want the truth to come out unless it helps the official narrative. If they have nothing to hide, they should allow independent sources to freely report the events and verify the claims made by the government and opposition.
July 22nd, 2011, 7:18 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
If I’m hearing one more time this “armed terrorist gangs”, I’ll smash my laptop on the wall with rage. Please, enough with this Baathist poor in quality propaganda.
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July 22nd, 2011, 7:25 pm
aboali said:
Syrian forces destroy a mosque minaret in Homs. can you imagine the uproar if a western army did this? so why the silence now? so who’s stoking sectarianism in Syria? answer: WHICH EVER PIECE OF CRAP IS ATTACKING MOSQUES ….
July 22nd, 2011, 7:33 pm
syau said:
Amir in tel aviv,
Surely it wouldn’t be so hard for you to see what is happening from Tel aviv, Aljazeera has eyewitnesses that can see every province in Syria while they are in the studio.
There is a gun battle between the Syrian army and armed terrorist gangs in Homs now. May God protect the Syrian armed forces and people, and enable the army to eradicate these armed gangs as swiftly as possible and prevent them from causing any further terror.
Now break away.
July 22nd, 2011, 7:36 pm
SYR.Expat said:
If the city of Dar’a has been cleansed of “mundasseen,” why is it still being occupied?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQt82paEIlA&feature=share
Shouldn’t these troops be training near the Golan Heights to keep Israeli soldiers on their toes?
I think Ferzat nails it on the head with his new cartoon.
http://www.ali-ferzat.com/ar/comic/key_word/%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%B1%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%85/699.html
July 22nd, 2011, 7:38 pm
Aboud said:
Amir, hehe, that’s nothing. You should have been around when they told the country that the 1967 war had been a defeat for Israel, because it had failed to topple the glorious Baathist revolution.
The unbeatable spirit of the people of Baba Amr, a neighborhood that has been besieged and invaded more times than any other in Homs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5X5-uG79lU&feature=player_embedded
@90 I ask you yet again. If there are armed gangs about, how is it after four months the regime still can’t tell the country, and the world, the most basic facts about them, such as ;
1) Who is their leader
2) Who finances and supplies them?
3) What are their numbers
4) Where are they located? Because it seems to me, the regime conveniently locates a bunch of “armed gangs” everytime there is a defection of troops, or a massive demonstration. Witness its “softly softly” approach to Abukamal, as opposed to its massive deployments in Jisr al Shoghour.
5) In this day of Youtube, where the world can witness the death of every Syrian murdered by the regime, how is it that no solid, smoking gun video proof of armed gangs has ever been presented by the regime.
If I was a menhebak, I’d be seriously worried that the regime has, even after four months, been unable or unwilling to answer even these basic questions.
July 22nd, 2011, 7:38 pm
daleandersen said:
Memo To: AMIR IN THE EVIL ZIONIST DEATHSTAR HEARTLAND….
RE: “…If I’m hearing one more time this ‘armed terrorist gangs’…”
Forget it, Amir. (edited for insult and bad language. Daleandersen, I am banning you for one week as you have received a warning before) always use stupid-talk when referring to their enemies. Chinese communists used to call their enemies “running-dog capitalist-roaders.” Russian communists referred to trouble-makers as “revisionist hooligans.” BTW, the worst thing a Stalinist could call you back in the day was “trotskyite” as in “you’re nothing but a fucking trotskyite.” Those were fighting words…
July 22nd, 2011, 7:52 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Syau,
AJ English and Arabic show videos they copy from YouTube. Why watch AJ, if I can (and do) watch the source. YT can’t lie.
Aboud,
I hope you’re safe. I can tell your spirit is as high as ever !!
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I loved this video in particular
Release the Syrians from the Baathist claws and from institutionalized corruption, and you’ll see Syria blooming. All services with improve overnight.
.
July 22nd, 2011, 8:05 pm
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July 22nd, 2011, 8:12 pm
louai said:
Dear jad
good point my friend but its not a waste of time to as some people do search for the truth , the person you are trying to show the facts to ,dose not care about facts ,he ,as all this revolution care about propaganda and fabrications ,if some one dies they multiply it by minimum three if some one demonstrated they multiply it by a thousand after 5 month of this destruction I started to know how they operate ,so always divide the dead on 3 and the demonstrations on 1000 and you get close to the real numbers
I think its part of their strategy to keep fabricating countless number of false stories a day so by law of average few will be accepted as Facts, and when you want to show the reality you have to dive in a see of lies and misleading stories …..
I do care of talking to the uprising supporters who share with me the fact that we all could be mistaken and the one who really want the best for Syria , people like OTW anf Tara (who I almost disagree with all her comments) but at least she dose not lie in your face and she wants the best for Syria( in her own way )
revolutionists denied the killing of three young men and later after all media including their own propaganda Gods announced the news they accused what he calls shabbiha of the killing . they also speak about bab elsbaa and take advantage that none of you here knows the era and forgot that I am from there ,
let me tell you about bab elsbaa
it’s a wonderful neighbourhood , there are Christians and Muslims there living together without any problem there are two churches in that small neighbourhood and Muslims are conservatives but they do respect our freedom and traditions for example :almost every muslime girl there is wearing Hijab but if some one harassed a Christian girl because of her liberal outfit a conservative Muslim will deal with hem in case none of her family is there , it’s a wonderful and safe place unlike its recent reputation , the problem about Babelsbaa is its connected to ALwarsha Babeldreeb and bab el Turkman, people in Bab elsbaa believe that the armed gangs don’t belong to their neighbourhood (almost every one knows every one there ) they come from babeldreeb or other places because they take advantage of the small alleys passages and old Arabic houses in there plus they managed to close the neighbourhood using barricades ,the people of Babelsbaa DO demonstrate but I refuse to think they are using any arms as I do know my people plus my family never recognized any of the armed men but recently it become terrorists safe heaven because of the blocked neighbourhood and the rumour that the army will not enter there but the situation is unbearable now Babelsbaa is Babeldreeb and Alwarsha and babelturkman ,things are mixed up the army had to put an end to this rebels who converted the neighbourhood to a hub and a Refuge to terrorists ,my own family is under siege ,I cant call them or communicate with them but I am happy because I read the army is there hopefully it will manage to bring back peace and safety.
July 22nd, 2011, 8:19 pm
Aboud said:
Amir, wonderful video that. Of course it takes longer these days to find the garbage containers, they move about so much on Fridays 🙂
Allah, Souria, Houriya wa bas.
That page against Mai is disgraceful. “Etfoooo on her and her honor”. These are the kinds of perverted minds junior is president of. Impossible to have a dialogue with such people until they join the civilized world. How shameful. Truly, gutter behavior in its naked form.
July 22nd, 2011, 8:20 pm
louai said:
Abo Ali 96
‘Syrian forces destroy a mosque minaret in Homs. can you imagine the uproar if a western army did this?’
why the guys were filming the top of the mosque minaret at that time? How often when you have the army surrounding you, you film the top of the mosque minaret as if you are waiting or expecting something to happen
providing the video is authentic ,why on earth the army will destroy (it was not destroyed in the video only dust) a mosque minaret?
because they dont want mosques any more?
revange from sunnis?do you really belive that?
some sniper caught there?
please tell me your honest opinion .
July 22nd, 2011, 8:23 pm
jad said:
Aboud#89
It’s OK, I think I need to be more explicit in my explanation especially with statics. I use this kind of numbers and statics all the time in my work so I forget that lots of people don’t have time to look for the right answers, this is why I try to correct them when I have the chance, it has nothing to do with anything political going around.
The 511,000 of Wikipedia you linked is incorrect because it gives the population of the whole Region/County of Deir Alzour including all other towns and villages surrounding the city of Deir Alzor, the +239,000 of the year 2004 census I’m using reflect the city itself, if you go through the link I gave you, they have all kinds of statics, in one of them it gives you the numbers in details for Deir Azzor Region/County including the city and their it state the number as 239,196.
http://www.cbssyr.org/General%20census/census%202004/pop-man.pdf
Simple graphic for all on SC to be clear of the number I’m using:
????? ???????? ??? 3 ?????: ??? ?????-????????-????????? ???? ??????? ????? ???? 3 ??? ? 11 ????? ? 128 ????.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ar/6/69/%D9%85%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%82_%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%B1_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B2%D9%88%D8%B1.jpg
Here you go another site, just click on Deir Azzor and you get the city population I gave you earlier.
http://www.citypopulation.de/Syria.html
The city of Deir Alzor (only the city) today count close to 290,000.
You can take my words or throw them out, it doesn’t matter, but math never ever lie and keep in mind that I wouldn’t argue for the sake of argument, I don’t like that.
#99
-The army is firing at each other, sure!
-Tell your friends in Baba Omar to decide which flag they want to use, it seems that they are confused.
———–
Aboali,
How come the minaret didn’t collapse or loose any of it’s stones from this direct tank bomb hit? Just wondering! not a single stone went down:
http://youtu.be/FYjf1UiHP4w
—————-
Ya prince, as SyAu told you, A7e6!
July 22nd, 2011, 8:26 pm
aboali said:
lol, the best chant so far in this revolution – courtesy of the free Syrians of Al Qadam:
Abu Hafez, shi bikharee – ibn el 7aram, ba3 el Golan
July 22nd, 2011, 8:32 pm
jad said:
Dear Louai,
Welcome back 🙂
July 22nd, 2011, 8:33 pm
louai said:
Thanks Jad
Partially back 🙂
July 22nd, 2011, 8:43 pm
Tara said:
Louai,
Thank you louai, your comment about Tara was very democratically sweet….
July 22nd, 2011, 8:50 pm
aboali said:
#105 #106
well then, can you explain this footage of the mosque peppered with bullet holes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2sLIH7eDog
the protesters were filming the mosque because it had been repeatedly targeted several times before by gun fire. You honestly think that during a full scale assault by army and mukhabarat, someone is gonna have time to go make a dummy charge, then climb up the minaret to plant it, then film the explosion, and get away with it, during a curfew imposed by hundreds of troops and armored vehicles roaming the streets shooting at anything that moves?
something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8KZNW7-4ZI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR68KhuuY4w
you must be joking mate!
btw, we saw what the security forces did with the Al Omari mosque. Desecrating mosques seems to be a favorite pastime of theirs, probably to subjugate the locals and show em who’s in charge (we can do whatever we want and you can’t do anything about it). this type of “zil” is what the mukhabarart are very good at, they think it makes them tough guys and feared. Which is why Atef Najib told the people of Daraa to go “make other kids, or we can make them for you”. yeah, so how did that work out for him and his regime eh?
The mukhabarat are deliberately trying to stir sectarian tensions, don’t be surprised if there’s a mysterious church bombing very soon.
July 22nd, 2011, 9:00 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
NEWS HEADLINES
Syrian regime is less criminal this Friday than last Friday, but more criminal than last Sunday.
Dunya TV investigative reporter exposes Ambassadors’ frantic attempts to locate and sabotage giant eraser. Consequently, Syrian authorities restrict movement of US and French Ambassadors.
Facebook networks, originally mistrusted because of a Swede and one of two ponytails, now regain the trust of Syria Comments pro-regime posters.
Syria Comment personality authorizes the Syrian Army to restore security, Syrian Electronic Army asks for clarification as to why it is omitted from the order.
Joshua Landis builds a bridge in the Shaghour district of Damascus and moves a northern Syrian town onto the bridge.
OTW and Jad decide to visit Syria Comment therapist to resolve their mutual problems, Therapist, also known as Why Discuss, flees town.
Aboud, the ponytail, continues to successfully torment the men7ebbak crowd
Abu Umar shows up, gets slammed, but stays..?!
Armed gangs continue to fail to attack pro-regime peaceful rallies, prefer to get in a fight with the much better equipped army while the army is protecting anti-regime rallies
Jr. finds a way to godhood that does not involve ascendance to heaven, all needed is the death of more Syrians.
In a surprising twist, Amir in Tel Aviv gets two thumbs up
Moving from one Syrian Town to Another, Jolan heights continues to frustrate the search of Syrian special forces and their shabbee7a entourage. Sources say, it was last seen in Homs.
BOOK REVIEW SECTIOIN
The top 10 list this week was fully occupied by a single work from Syria Comment’s own Syria No Kandahar, which was published recently under the name The death of love in a family.. Noting that SNK, who was previously appointed Prince of Poets by none other than the disappearing Syrian Commando, has also received accolade for this literary work from SYAU and others, our own literary critic realized to his dismay that the work was far above his capability to judge. To fill space, we decided to list some recent reviews of this giant micro novel, whose genius in hiding symbolism parallels the musical quality of Ali El-deek screeches.
Literatum : The exuberance of the self organized narrative tropes through history rendering the metaphoric literal and the literal fused in the symbolism of a backdrop succumbing in myriad ways to pre-primordial speculative brilliance of the illusive and redemptive manifestation.
Arabian Critic: Brilliant. Beyond its complex universe of similes lies an epical conclusion to human literature*
Enthralled reader Riveting, thrilling, and metaphorically slippery
NeoGrammaticaWoven within the layers of metaphor and similes is a crescendo of threads of linguistically defiant grammatical and contextual constructs.
Footnote
* This excerpt is taken from Ms. Colette Khoury’s review of the work being discussed. Ms. Khoury, a Syrian novelist turned literary critic is now famous for her 2003 honest review of the best novel ever written by an Arab leader her great literary critique can be found here in which she states
??? ???? ????? ???? : ?? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? .. ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??????? .
Footnote 2 Ms. Khoury is the granddaughter of one Syria’s famous founding father, the late Fares Khoury…
Ya7eif
July 22nd, 2011, 9:00 pm
SYR.Expat said:
107. ABOALI
I am really disturbed by this type of chanting by people on the streets. Why the insults? I understand the anger, but I don’t understand the insults. How is that helping?
There are plenty of civil and more powerful slogans like Wahid, wahid, wahid, al-Shaab al-souri wahid.
Leave the insults to the pro-regime crowd. That’s what they know. The opposition should claim the higher moral ground.
July 22nd, 2011, 9:02 pm
Norman said:
louai ,
you are right, that is the Babassibaa that i know and have friends in, one other reason for the arms gunmen to use Bab Al Sibaa is that it is connected to Bustan Dewan and Hameedia through old narrow alleys ,
July 22nd, 2011, 9:04 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
NEWS HEADLINES
Syrian regime is less criminal this Friday than last Friday, but more criminal than last Sunday.
Dunya TV investigative reporter exposes Ambassadors’ frantic attempts to locate and sabotage giant eraser. Consequently, Syrian authorities restrict movement of US and French Ambassadors.
Facebook networks, originally mistrusted because of a Swede and one of two ponytails, now regain the trust of Syria Comments pro-regime posters.
Syria Comment personality authorizes the Syrian Army to restore security, Syrian Electronic Army asks for clarification as to why it is omitted from the order.
Joshua Landis builds a bridge in the Shaghour district of Damascus and moves a northern Syrian town onto the bridge.
OTW and Jad decide to visit Syria Comment therapist to resolve their mutual problems, Therapist, also known as Why Discuss, flees town.
Aboud, the ponytail, continues to successfully torment the men7ebbak crowd
Abu Umar shows up, gets slammed, but stays..?!
Armed gangs continue to fail to attack pro-regime peaceful rallies, prefer to get in a fight with the much better equipped army while the army is protecting anti-regime rallies
Jr. finds a way to godhood that does not involve ascendance to heaven, all needed is the death of more Syrians.
In a surprising twist, Amir in Tel Aviv gets two thumbs up
Moving from one Syrian Town to Another, Jolan heights continues to frustrate the search of Syrian special forces and their shabbee7a entourage. Sources say, it was last seen in Homs.
BOOK REVIEW SECTIOIN
The top 10 list this week was fully occupied by a single work from Syria Comment’s own Syria No Kandahar, which was published recently under the name The death of love in a family. Noting that SNK, who was previously appointed Prince of Poets by none other than the disappearing Syrian Commando, has also received accolade for this literary work from SYAU and others, our own literary critic realized to his dismay that the work was far above his capability to judge. To fill space, we decided to list some recent reviews of this giant micro novel, whose genius in hiding symbolism parallels the musical quality of Ali El-deek screeches.
Literatum : The exuberance of the self organized narrative tropes through history rendering the metaphoric literal and the literal fused in the symbolism of a backdrop succumbing in myriad ways to pre-primordial speculative brilliance of the illusive and redemptive manifestation.
Arabian Critic: Brilliant. Beyond its complex universe of similes lies an epical conclusion to human literature*
Enthralled reader Riveting, thrilling, and metaphorically slippery
NeoGrammaticaWoven within the layers of metaphor and similes is a crescendo of threads of linguistically defiant grammatical and contextual constructs.
Footnote
* This excerpt is taken from Ms. Colette Khoury’s review of the work being discussed. Ms. Khoury, a Syrian novelist turned literary critic is now famous for her 2003 honest review of the best novel ever written by an Arab leader her great literary critique can be found here in which she states
??? ???? ????? ???? : ?? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? .. ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??????? .
Footnote 2 Ms. Khoury is the granddaughter of one Syria’s founding fathers, the late Fares Khoury…
Ya7eif
July 22nd, 2011, 9:06 pm
aboali said:
#112 hmmmmm, let me see, it might have something to do with Bashar murdering 2000 of their countrymen ….not sure though. care to go ask them yourself why they can’t be more hippy? perhaps persuade them to take an anger management class and chant ya “Bashar zi3ilna minak kteer kteer, 3anjad ya3nee w’hayk”
also:
thugs desecrating Amina mosque and beating people in Aleppo today because ….. worshipers chanted “Allahu Akbar – hurrieh” …. see, told you Bashar reformed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-0rV1tvc5c
July 22nd, 2011, 9:18 pm
Aboud said:
Jad @106
All this obsession over populations and counting heads in Youtube video clips reminds of a story about an Egyptian general during the 1967 war (I may be wrong but I believe it was about Abd Al-Hakeem Amer). While the Egyptian army was getting overrun, this general of countless divisions spent his time…planning the positions of an artillery battalion.
Under times of immense stress, people naturally revert to doing what they are most comfortable with. Field Marshal Amer skipped several ranks to become the chief of the Egyptian Armed Forces, but at heart he was still most comfortable as a battalion commander.
Similarly, we have enormous events happening all over the country, and yet we still find people obsessing, for the third week in a row, about exactly how many people filled a particular square.
What cannot be denied is that Dayr El Zour, Hama, Homs, Idlib and Dar’a are overwhelmingly against junior. The combined populations of Damascus and Aleppo proper (not their suburbs) do not outnumber the rest of the country. With so many towns and villages rising up against junior, any leader with a shred of self respect would have stepped down.
So Jad, I don’t know exactly how many people came out in Dayr el Zour, because unlike you I haven’t devoted the time needed to analyze population trends over the past 5 years, nor am I willing to, because the exercise is the height of futility. At this stage, the menhebak’s need to reduce the estimates of the number of demonstrators, far outweighs the opposition’s needs to prove otherwise. The revolution has moved on from the small, uncertain demonstrations in Dar’a, and has proven itself incredibly resilient against the worst the regime can throw at it.
If a town’s population is 100,000, and 90,000 come out to demonstrate, that’s as good as if the town was 500,000 and 450,000 came out.
But, if reputable news agencies quote figures in the hundreds of thousand, if not millions, then one can always contact them and show them the error of their analysis. Unless one thinks that the whole world’s media is biased against him.
@114 I wanna a hamster for my birthday 🙂
July 22nd, 2011, 9:19 pm
Jad said:
SNK
I guess this Jarbou3 needs writing lessons from you, he is trying so hard to sound funny but unfortuantly his writing style stinks more than 2lee6.
Aboud,
It’s pointless exchanging any subject with you without usimg your usual attitude, so I make this my last comment to you, ever.
You changed the subject, I asked you for Deir Alzor population, you gave me a number I told you it’s wrong and gave you reasons, you insulted me, then you wrote sorry where I thought that it was my mistake not to explain more and I did exactly that to show you the right numbers yet you come back with changing the subject from city population to protests andedia crap.
I’m sorry for believing in logic on people like you.
The End.
July 22nd, 2011, 9:24 pm
Aboud said:
@117 Is this the same SNK who mocked Hadi Jundi, even before an entire day had passed after his burial? What was it…72 virgins etc?
Frankly, certain people on this website could learn some manners from a hamster. Their fuzzy math smells suspicious as well.
July 22nd, 2011, 9:32 pm
SYRIAN HAMSTER said:
ABOUD
I’ll send you the best of the next litter. Don’t send address, I’ll just tell them to find the Ponytail in Homs, Is Jolan still there.?
Better yet, i’ll just email you the kid to your
[email protected]
You beat me, i am agent 1984
July 22nd, 2011, 9:33 pm
Aboud said:
Syrian Hamster, yeah, we are a big diverse group at greatconspiracyagainstjr.com . We got Turks, Jordanians, Lebanese, Salafis, Bandarites (whatever they are), Harriri’s boys, Al-Jazeera, BBC, CNN, Al-Arabiya, Europeans, and Ambassador Ford’s agent number is in the single digits. Lucky bastard.
@117 “you insulted me” Dude, I admitted you’ve spent way, way more time than me counting heads on Youtube. I explained why at this stage, that’s a complete and utter waste of time if you aren’t going to take what I’m sure is your…superior…analysis to the news agencies.
If you want to apply an unprecedented urban-to-rural ratio and reduce Dayr el Zour’s population to 200,000, then that is your privilege, just as it is mine to point out that regardless of the population, we haven’t seen a single menhebak demo there, but an overwhelming turnout for “wallak hel 3an khelqetna wallak!”
July 22nd, 2011, 9:36 pm
Samara said:
Abuali,
Actually, i think the best chants are:
“wahed, tnan, tlati, Bashar ya hayati!”
“ghar tlati mab nektar, Allah Souria ou Bashar!”
“Badna al ghali inb al ghali!”
“Abu Hafez! Abu hafez!”
“ya Allah ou ya jabar, tehmeelna Dr. Bashar!”
And ofcourse,
“Allah, Souria, Bashar ou baaas!”
“B rouh, b dum, bnafdeek ya Bashar!!”
Yep, these chants kick your chants qhere they belong.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:16 pm
louai said:
aboali 111
Unfortunately i have no access to youtube right now as I am at work , i will check your links out later on and get back to you with that .
‘You honestly think that during a full scale assault by army and mukhabarat, someone is gonna have time to go make a dummy charge, then climb up the minaret to plant it, then film the explosion, and get away with it, during a curfew imposed by hundreds of troops and armored vehicles roaming the streets shooting at anything that moves?’
to be honest ,no (providing the time and the place are correct) but for the same reason i think the guys knew something is going on there and decided to film
by the way i just read this, an armed ma/men who used the mosque in abu el 2oof to shoot at the security forces so it could be the same story
http://www.syriatruth.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2538:2011-07-22-17-44-52&catid=1:2011-06-16-16-35-09&Itemid=104
same news on facebook but I also don’t have access to facebook right now .
in other hand i can not see the regime benefiting from starting a sectarian war at all , yes he can discredit the uprising and deepen the fear of a civil war if the uprising succeeded but it will loose its main supporters , Sunnis
Imagine you are the regime, 76% of your people are Sunni would you start a sectarian war just to gain the support of 24% of the population?
yes Mukhabarat are brutal they may insult and bully you but as an individual oe small group but not as a sect or tribe they are not that stupid specially recently .
Dear Tara ,you are wellcom 😉 (thas 😉 a Wink incase you dont see it in your browser)
July 22nd, 2011, 11:20 pm
SYR.Expat said:
“ya Allah ou ya jabar, tehmeelna Dr. Bashar!”
“Allah, Souria, Bashar ou baaas!”
Asking God to protect Bashar while Bashar’s thugs are desecrating mosques and cursing at God unchallenged won’t get your prayers answered.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:20 pm
louai said:
Norman
Those alleys are very dangerous specially at night, we call them ‘the darkness zone’ really ghostly in there.
July 22nd, 2011, 11:26 pm
Samara said:
SYR EXPAT
OK, then you should know that your revolution will not achieve what it sets out to. Because, as we all can see, they pray, give high names for their Fridays (eg: Salah al Ali), and then they go and start destroying what ever comes in their way. They harrass those who will not join them, they say “Allahu Akbar!!” and then slaughter people, they chop people up and throw them into realy deep holes, about 20 bodies ontop of each other, and when they are found no one knows whose leg belongs to which body and which arm goes with which body and if this head goes on this body, oh wait, maybe it belongs to that body. So, i assume you know where your violent revolution stands eh?
As i said earlier, doing the devils work in the name of God will only get you nothing. You will never achieve what you want. But you will feel the fires of hell. So ive got one tip for you. Where you are going, i hear it is really hot. So take a couple of T.Shirts and pair of shorts with you. But then again, its that hot that they will just burn off.
July 23rd, 2011, 12:43 am
Revlon said:
53. DEAR SYRIA NO KANDAHAR
You said:
“Revlon
Topless(I mean no hijab)
So to you ?? ???? and ?????? ??? and mrs Attassi they are all topless”
Yes they are, I meant that in the literal sense of the word in Arabic language, ie nothing on her top, meaning head, , meaning no Hijab, meaning sufoor!)
This is why I provided the intended meaning in brackets!
I did not mean it in the English language, like you understood it.
Because the dress code that is opposite to topless in the literal English sense is to wear a bras, and not to wear a Hijab!
I am glad to see that you support these outspoken ladies.
I also hope that your support extends to their choices in freedom of expression, as well as for their choices of their personal dress codes!
July 23rd, 2011, 1:12 am
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