Who said the Golan is “Syrian”.?
Sykes said.? .. Picot said?

Why should we in 2009 fight, argue and bicker over 1916 too-straight lines,
that were drawn not in accordance with the interest of the peoples,
but according to imperial greed.

The ME didn’t have it’s definer – most important war yet, the Independence
war, from corrupt monarchs and from brutal military Juntas.

There’s no chance that the Arabs see what is going on in Latin-America,
in former soviet east Europe, and even in Iran, and wont demand
their demands. No chance.
So waisting time, money and energy over not-important piece of land,
is useless. Better wait to the real struggle of the peoples, that
will come sooner than later.
.

Amir i agree that the golan is not to be given back to syria if assad is the main broker of our arch enemies (iran-hezbollah-hamas) but i do not agree that the golan is not important for israel it has a strategic importance and an economic importance for israel!!And the most important thing for israel in the golan is the water that runs south to the kinneret…Plus i do believe that some territories and druze villages like majd al shams is occupied and should be returned according to the druze living there and i know there people suffer, but ghajar which is lebanese even though it was taken from the syrian army should also logically be returned but the people do not suffer from being israeli at all;all the contrary if israel did not return ghajar when netanyahu was about to it is because the people of ghajar want to remain part of israel so it depends where in the golan amir+there is a small parcel which is israeli territory and was actually occupied by syria before 1967 well this land can not be returned even though assad wants it .Lets just say simply that if syria requires its land in the occupied golan then they will have to negociate directly with israel because the question is much more complicated than mouallem’s words….

Who said the Golan is “Syrian”.?

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Offended please i do have a point here the syrians refuse to understand that to negotiate with israel and you want israel or israelis to take you seriously then you have to sit on the same table…and indirectly like assad puts it only stalls the situation.I want peace between israel and syria and before the palestinian question i think it is vital if regional peace is to occur what do you think?

Why do i feel like the only one brave enough to respond to me are israelis like myself or majid haters that only like to insult my people or my history…where are the so called moderates??the ones that everybody says that they will make peace with us one day…do they exist at all??or is ot just western propaganda and actually in syria there are only majids full of hate??

AVI
How many times we have to tell you to stick to your comment’s limit of 4 a day before we kick you out?
Your comments are extremely Repetitive, very annoying and without any substance to them.
So why don’t you stop and spare us from reading your crap ideas and your personal attacks on every person on here.
You either play by the rules or get lost and write somewhere else so
you better be smart and do exactly what I’m telling you.
Enough is enough!

Offended ,

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I love it ,
I have not heard this one since i was a kid.

what are you Homsy , that is where i heard it.

This news for you Alex…any thoughts????????

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07/ 07/ 2009

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http://all4syria.info/content/view/11162/96/

Jad,
Thank you that is terrific , Alex has a Lott to do with it , i am glad ,

Not only Golan must return to Syria,all palastine must come back to Syria.

My.

Bashar Sebaey’s article is…. outstanding. I hope he’s being honest.

Hi Norman.

No, I’m actually from Aleppo. But what difference does it make? It’s all Syria. And there are many exchangable slangs all over the place… : )

Hi Offended,

and i thought we are special in Homs,

Yes i did know norman but still could you answer the question about your government having indirect talks with Israel ?do you think these indirect talks are just stalling techniques by your government?Since your government does not want direct talks.

Hi Norman
To be honest, I’m a little bit disappointed by Mr. Soubaei because he is bailing out of his past without facing it, regardless of that, I’m sure that everybody has his own personal reasons and beliefs that he lives according to them;

I did a very quick and rough translation of his last paragraph which summarizes his main points:

“All what I can say today after few days of my arrival to my hometown, is that Syria today is changing for the better, developing, flourishing and enjoy security, tolerance and love under the same leadership that I was questioning his good intentions for months, and that what I couldn’t imagine nor expect, what I saw and heard about the President of the country exceed my expectation of enlightened thoughts and acts in the interest of the country, the homeland and the citizen, that was truly unexpected.
Today I am unable to find words for expressing my thanks and my gratitude for this leadership to allow me to be a witness and a participant on the ground in the building of this nation (Watan) and it’s primacy in the my future work field.
I hope that my own personal experience is a proof of the change and the reform and is an example of trust and confidence for all Syrian citizens abroad to return home.” Bashar Soubaei

Jad, what this guy wrote is just funny. If you want to know how he really is thinking and have no time to analyze his letter, all you have to do is listen to all the interviews he made against the regime. If you do that and you concluded that he is genuine in his repentance, that mean you believe he did that not just did that to enter the country and leave safely, then you have a wonderful heart and good for you. On my side, I believe he is type of a guy who believes in: you gotta do what you gatto do. As Barth Brooks songs says:

Sometimes you’ve got to take the heat
If your gonna walk down on the mean street
Take the heat and you see it through
‘Cause sometimes it comes down to do what you gotta do

Sometimes it goes right down to the wire
And you might have to walk through the fire
Walk on, boy, all the way through
Sometimes it comes down to do what you gotta do

Someday they’re going to call your name
They’ll come looking for someone to blame
What’s your name boy? Hey you just tell them true
‘Cause they can’t take the truth from you, so do what you gotta do

Well they’ll call you a hero or a traitor
But you’ll find out that sooner of later
Nobody in this world is gonna do it for you
Do what you gotta do

Trustquest,
That was funny, believe me I don’t trust anybody of any side at the moment AT ALL.
I’m disappointed because it seems that he used the same personal attack like everybody else without having a real strong passion for a real change for the best and now he is using the same meaningless words to do the opposite..
I’m also disappointed because of the trust some people put in him and now he is turning 180 degree without a word of apology for them.
You may know how I think already, I’m with any smart opposition who has a real achievable goal that will benefit all of the Syrians and I don’t mind if someone work with the government to achieve that as long as he keep his dignity, his principals and keep the people trust untouched.
I guess we are asking for too much!

JAD,

I don’t know this person Soubaei, but the story reminds me of the affair
of Maxim Gorky’s return to Stalinist USSR. And even praising the
Gulag System.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn argues that Gorky’s return to the Soviet Union was motivated by material needs. I don’t know. I didn’t ask him.
Me like you, I trust no body. One could say, that North Korea is safe
too, and that the North Koreans “enjoy security, tolerance and love under the same leadership”.
.

Jad,

take it easy on Bashar , he was lost and we showed him the way , he was blind and we opened his eyes , we kept telling him especially Alex , we kept telling him day after day that president Assad is well liked in Syria and that the country is moving forward , not as fast as some of us want , but still moving in a steady and secure way , he just had to see for himself , and now he did , i hope he will put his energy to help Syria as we all should ,

He reminds of the story of the old man that Jesus mentioned , when they asked him about forgiving the sinners , who had two sons , one took his share of the money and went on spending it while the other stayed with his family and helped , then when the son who was not ther for his family returned home after he lost his money , his father had a big party and when the other son complained , the old man explained , he was lost and now he is found so we should celebrate that he is saved.

AVI,

Syria wants direct talks that can lead to something real ,as you probably know that there were direct talks between Syria and Israel in the nineties under Bill Clinton only for Barack to backtrack and renege on his deal in the last minute , so Syria is taking a cautious path wanting to know that the principles of lasting peace which basically that both parties feel that their rights were secured , for Syria it is it’s land integrity and for Israel is long lasting secure peace to it’s people without having to worry about their children and grandchildren right to live there , that is at least what was the goal of the early Zionists, peace and acceptance in the Hebrew homeland ,as i understand it.

Folks
the operative phrase is
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Sounds like the promise many have to sign before their release.

TQ
With respect to detachment from history, you are supposed to remove the mean before performing principal component analysis.

Speaking of mean values and trends, both Jad and You forgot the emergence of VCR as contributing factor related to Cinema’s demise in Syria. Marketing, industry strength, and copyright laws saved it in the US, but sadly, not for very long.

As for Mr. Subai3i, How about this song

You got to know when to hold ’em’ know when to fold ’em’
know when to walk a way, and know when to run

Jad
I was merely trying to see Shami’s comment from a different perspective. I have not turned Talib on you my friend.

Aptly, the silver platter in the graphic is shiny yet empty. This is akin to Netanyahu’s pompous self-invitation to Damascus to discuss peace “without preconditions”.

Norman,
That was a great example, but I don’t think it fits Mr. Soubaei.
I didn’t mean to be hard on him, I guess his past with his liberal and somehow secular ideas might be the reason for him being free and not in his ‘aunt’s house’
it was just MY TAKE! 😉

OTW,
I agree with you about the Video, it adds another factor to the Cinema disappearing mystery, which I think cover all the possibilities.
I’m sorry, I didn’t understand your last note though, what where you referring to?

Derar Jad
I was referring to the Cabaret’s appropriate place discussion this weekend, which you concluded by asking me or shami or both of us not to worry about the possibilty of seeing naked dancers on the streets of Syria 🙂

Yossi
Sharp as ever, good point

I sincerely hope that Steinmeier’s plans to “rein in” Hizbullah do not include using the STL to stir up sectarian tensions in Lebanon (the ‘civil war option’ of disarmament). Even Jumblatt doesn’t seem to approve of that idea (for the time being…).

Mehlis still sniping at Bellemare?

This article in German by Markus Bickel is critical of Bellemare and seems at least in part to be inspired by a “high-ranking former investigator”.

In the past Markus Bickel had managed to misrepresent March 8, so it does not come as a surprise that even the very headline of the article is wrong, based on the mischaracterization of a recent report by al-Liwaa according to which “Nasrallah has asked for “guarantees” with regard to alleged reports about the STL’s indictment against him”. In contrast, Bickel claims, citing “Al Liwa”, that Nasrallah had demanded guarantees for Asad.

It is, thus, with a grain of salt (and the taste of sour grapes?) that we have to take note of the suggestion that STL registrar Vincent stepped down from his post because he resisted the “politicization of the STL” (this would be rich, coming from Mehlis…).

Vincent’s criticism seems rather to be directed at Bellemare’s style of leadership. He is quoted as saying: “It takes only one person to bring down an institution, and it can’t be build by one person alone.” We also learn that Bellemare earned the nickname “Nero” during his time as UNIIIC commissioner in Beirut.

THE 1916 STRAIGHT LINES DRAWN BY SOME EUROPEAN IMPPERIALISTS HAVE BEEN SUPERCEDED BY:

Bebe Netanyahu’s pet project, “A Clean Break.,, a New Strategy to protect and enhance Israel’s security (developed by Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and other American neocons)

AND CITED BELOW:

“Securing the Northern Border”

“Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil. An effective approach, and one with which American can sympathize, would be if Israel seized the strategic initiative along its northern borders by engaging Hizballah, Syria, and Iran, as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon.”

“Israel also can take this opportunity to remind the world of the nature of the Syrian regime.”

“Syria repeatedly breaks its word. It violated numerous agreements with the Turks, and has betrayed the United States by continuing to occupy Lebanon in violation of the Taef agreement in 1989.”

“Given the nature of the regime in Damascus, it is both natural and moral that Israel abandon the slogan comprehensive peace and move to contain Syria, drawing attention to its weapons of mass destruction programs, and rejecting land for peace deals on the Golan Heights.”

but you know Ghat Albird, Israel has probably taken into account your point, but the problem is what might happen in the eventuality the succession to Mr Assad is much worse in Israel’s perspective…from what i understood the Muslim brotherhood movement that originated in Egypt is also very active in Syria so lets say safely that Assad’s regime will not be bothered by Israel or the USA.The ones that are really bothered by Assad are in Syria or Lebanon.

And Norman i really hope that Syrian youth are for peace with Israel and to stop meddling in Lebanon’s affairs i know that our youth wishes for this even when in it applies to our own country Israel.From a simple minded moron (like Jad would say specially the moron part) living in the war zone; peace.shalom.salaam

And no Ghat Albird I am not thrilled by the idea of having to take the famous bus ride to combat with Syria,and take it to the first degree cause this would be my case,I think really war does not help to secure,only in extreme situations when attacked like from Gaza with mortars and missiles or in south Lebanon when soldiers are kidnapped and missiles are raining we must act accordingly; this the reality of how the common Israeli logic works.

Akbar Palace asks Dr. Landis to tell Syria’s President and his wife that “every Israeli Jew would gladly hug and kiss them once they agree to cut ties to terror organizations and the countries that sponsor them.”

In effect, the Syrian President is asked to put all his eggs in the Israeli basket. He is asked to call Tehran and terminate his 30-year old relationship. Once done, he is asked to make a similar call to Nasrallah and inform him that its over. He is no longer welcome in Damascus and that he is effectively thrown under the bus. Presumably, the Syrian President will then be asked to send his security men to Mr. Meshaal’s office, pick him up and drive him straight to Damascus airport with a one way ticket to Sudan perhaps.

Now that the Syrian President haS followed the request of Mr. Akbar (doubtful that this is enough of course) and his leaders, Damascus may now get invited to sit across their Israeli counterparts for talks and hugs. Since the Syrian leader was so compliant with the above Israeli demands, these talks will be like a walk in the park. The Golan heights (1967 borders) will be handed back to Syria on the spot. Settlers will be removed and we all live happily thereafter.

This is the movie that Mr. Akbar and his leaders are directing and selling to the world.

Even if this were science fiction, it is idiotic at best.

Cut this tired nonesense please.

Eshani you are completly correct in what you say but on the other side you refuse to understand that too many kidnappings and too many wars Gaza/ S. Lebanon 2006 or Gaza 2008 wars were permitted with the help of Assad there must be a garantee that this will stop the traffic of arms(and to stop this of coarse Assad can not severe ties with iran) and as for Ghajar or Majd El Shams and other occupied territory we can negociate but the Israeli land that Syria occupied in 1967 which is a small portion of the golan that israel occupys today can not and will not be returned to Assad even if he desires it…I think this should be clear to Syrians if not Israelis arn’t buying (israeli logic again)and with that i will stop today not to submerge this blog.Promise Jad!

OK, I incorrectly posted this on an older thread earlier.

You may have been following the story of the Palestinian refugees stranded at Syrian borders, I’m glad it’s come to an end:
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Risking Israel’s ire, US takes 1,350 Palestinian refugees

The State Department confirmed today that as many as 1,350 Iraqi Palestinians – once the well-treated guests of Saddam Hussein and now at outs with much of Iraqi society – will be resettled in the US, mostly in southern California, starting this fall.

It will be the largest-ever resettlement of Palestinian refugees into the US – and welcome news to the Palestinians who fled to Iraq after 1948 but who have had a tough time since Mr. Hussein was deposed in 2003. Targeted by Iraqi Shiites, the mostly-Sunni Palestinians have spent recent years in one of the region’s roughest refugee camps, Al Waleed, near Iraq’s border with Syria.

“Really for the first time, the United States is recognizing a Palestinian refugee population that could be admitted to the US as part of a resettlement program,” says Bill Frelick, refugee policy director at Human Rights Watch in Washington.

Given the US’s past reluctance to resettle Palestinians – it accepted just seven Palestinians in 2007 and nine in 2008 – the effort could ruffle some diplomatic feathers.

For many in the State Department and international community, the resettlement is part of a moral imperative the US has to clean up the refugee crisis created by invading Iraq. The US has already stepped up resettlement of Iraqis, some who have struggled to adjust to life in America.

The resettlement of Iraqi Palestinians is “an important gesture for the United States to demonstrate that we’re not heartless,” says Alon Ben-Meir, a professor of international relations and Middle Eastern studies at New York University.

But some critics say the State Department is sloughing off its problems onto American cities, especially since in this case the Palestinians were sympathizers of Hussein, who was deposed by the US.

“This is politically a real hot potato,” says Mark Krikorian, director of the conservative Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, adding, “[A]merica has become a dumping ground for the State Department’s problems – they’re tossing their problems over their head into Harrisburg, Pa., or Omaha, Neb.”

SADDAM’S GUESTS
Palestinian refugees came to Iraq in successive waves over several decades, first in 1948, then in 1967, and in 1991. They were treated well under Hussein but were also used to attack Israeli policies, and their presence was resented by many Iraqis.

After Hussein was deposed in 2003, many of these Palestinians were driven out of their homes and now live “at the mercy of the weather” in rough camps along the Syrian and Jordanian border, says Mr. Ben-Meir. The number of Palestinians in Iraq has fallen from around 34,000 to an estimated 15,000, with about 2,773 living in camps, according to the State Department.

The US, which takes in about 80,000 refugees annually, hopes to bring 17,000 Iraqi refugees this year.

CATEGORIZED AS IRAQI REFUGEES
While the US generally doesn’t accept Palestinians, Todd Pierce, a spokesman for the State Department’s Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration, says that the Iraqi population of Palestinians falls under a different category from those in Gaza and the West Bank. Each applicant will be carefully scrutinized for terrorist ties, he adds.

The US reluctance to accept Palestinians is because it “doesn’t want the refugee program to become an issue in its relationship with Israel,” says a diplomat in the region, who requested anonymity because he is not cleared to talk to the press. But these Palestinians, he says, will be processed as refugees from Iraq.

Mr. Krikorian says the US should be the last refuge for those fleeing persecution. Only Jordan of all the Arab countries routinely grants citizenship to Palestinian refugees, he notes. More recently, says Mr. Frelick, Jordan has also shut its borders to Palestinians coming from Iraq.

Frelick, who has visited a camp on the Jordanian border, said the Iraqi Palestinians are “apolitical,” and “basically desperate, scared, miserable, and ready to just get out of Iraq.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0708/p02s04-usgn.html
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One still has to wonder though, if Israel wasn’t the racist, inhumane and usurping entity that it is, why would it get ‘ireful’ over Palestinian refugees getting settled in the US?

Alex,
Another news that might be of interest for you, I was looking for the origin of this but I couldn’t find anything written about it in the report of Freedom House:

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=1

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06/ 07/ 2009
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http://all4syria.info/content/view/11131/113/

and here is the original post:

http://damaspost.com/?page=show_det&id=19107&select_page=4

Ammar Abdulhamid is a bright guy. And I wish he’d find something more mainstream to help Syria instead of the hardline contrarianism he’s been adopting.

Offended,

Just a reminder that mainstream stream syrians Do Not like the regime.

Stats? Elections?

Norman,

Showed him the way? You are delusional for sure. atleast, Jad, Offended, Ehsani and Alex have logic you on the other hand have a self esteem issue.

Snakes Kebob?

The Azari first lady is hot, no?

http://bargritz.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/mehriban-aliyeva.jpg

Majhool, being mainstream isn’t necessarily falling in love with the regime.

Ayman Abdel Nour of allforsyria stands as a good example.

yeah majhool she really is my type.

Sorry Majhool ,
I did not mean to challenge your intelligence , the note was meant for other people.

Those are some of the excellent and meaningful articles just posted on the website of Mr. Quadi NesaSy.org
They worth reading, I think they meant not only for the proposed law itself but for any public case we have in Syria, it shows the struggle we, individuals and organizations alike, are facing understanding each other and uniting our effort to make the system to work for us instead of working in its favor regardless what side we stands for:

http://nesasy.org/content/view/7643/336/

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(??? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? “????????? ????????” ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ??????: ??? ???????.
????????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ???????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? (?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????!)? ?????? ??: ????.. ??? ??? “????? ???????? ?????????”? ???? “????? ???????? ????????”? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? “????? ???????? ???????”. ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ????! ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??????.. ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ????.
????? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??????????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????? ??????.. ?? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? ?? ?? ?????.. ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????: “??? ???!”.)

http://nesasy.org/content/view/7647/336/

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(????? ????? ????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ??????… ????? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????????.)

http://nesasy.org/content/view/7651/110/

????? ??????? ????? ??”???? ???”? ????? ?? ????? ??”????? ?????”

???? ??? ??????? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? “???? ???????” (??? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ???? “?????”? ????? “?????”)? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?????????/?? ?? ?????? ???? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? “??? ???????”. ?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?? ???????. ????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ?? “????????”.

Hello all:

My eyes nearly popped out when a saw a bottle of Bekka Valley 2007 Clos Saint Thomas white at the wine store. Enjoying a chilled glass. Wonderful! Now for some Syrian wines, please.

Cheers,

Nur

BTW, Bibi Netanyahu’s father, who lives in the US, says Bibi has no real intentions of a 2-state solution

Offended
I don’t know Mr. Abdulhamid in person and I have no way to judge except through his writing and what I read on his organization website, to be very honest with you, I’m not impressed at all and I don’t trust him for a representative of my views, I think his ego is bigger than his mission and at some point he is letting it taking over his vision. He is like many who are loosing their target when they try to build their cases over a personal base against the regime.
I’m not qualify to give my judgment and I know that I’m giving one here but after reading lots of his articles and the cases his site want to discuss I can tell that he is not building any real public case to get the support needed, what he is doing is telling stories of the unfortunate and make us feel sorry and sympathy with them but in my humble opinion the case is bigger, deeper and more important than getting only our sympathy, I think he or anybody else who want to get support from us the average Syrians, he should represent his case in a different and more balance way, we need to see the benefits of the alternatives, we need to point out the problems and analyze them through all and every layer they have and more important we need to try to fix them (like it or not) we need to be there in Syria and we need to be working with/close to the government regardless of our feeling toward it especially for people who are full time committed to their cause.
Asking someone to take a clip from his/her phone for couple poor kids playing around the garbage as a normal thing who happened allover Syria / interviewing an unemployed poor men / showing a clip of the illegal butcher houses (which should be report directly to the government instead of telling us) and taking pictures of Kurds celebrating using their own flag without the existence of a single flag of the country they are asking to be part of is not the way to show your case, no Syrian will support any Kurd seeing those images, we will immediately take the government side and believe them that Kurds want to separate that part of Syria to be their own country, while reality is more humane than that, the reality is that Kurds have the right from the government for school, education, healthcare and a citizenship in the country they belong to regardless of their ethnic background and that what is missing in all of his messages on the website.
He needs to concentrate on the case and solutions not only his views, concentrate on the missing basic element for Kurds to become citizen before showing their political stands and the celebration under the moukhabarat siege and not using any Syrian flag at all.
He needs to communicate with the government through his organization and get a true public support not a sympathy or personal feeling towards him or the cases he represent.
I know in advance that some of my Syrian commentators wont agree with my words and I totally understand their stands, but I just want them to think of what I wrote and not take it as if I’m against the opposition because I’m not, nor I’m a government supporter because I’m seeing loads of unforgivable mistakes, mismanagement and destruction for the Syrian society, environment and development.
I strongly believe that we need every honest voice possible to move forward and we need to unite our vision first before we do any meaningful change and I think it is going to be very slow, very long and a very difficult mission but we have no other choice. We can’t let the system to take over every aspect of our life and be free to do that, we need to stand against it and make it do what is in the best of all of us instead of letting it paralyze us behind its bars where we can’t do anything useful.

(Dear Norman) And that is my take!

jad, you said :

He is like many who are loosing their target when they try to build their cases over a personal base against the regime.

That is exactly what the problem with the opposition .

ALEX (..and all),

Two posts ago you posted a letter by Cynthia McKinney: “from an Israeli Jail”.

https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=3546&cp=all#comment-229416

What she wrote in that letter looked strange to me, but I didn’t want
to comment, before having looked into this. Well, today I have.

BTW, Cynthia McKinney is now back and safe in the States.

Mrs. McKinney writes about a “black” woman who shares her “prison” cell.
That woman is from Ethiopia. Well… a clear line has to be drawn
between illegal worker (who’s working visa has expired, or who cross
the border illegally in order to come to Israel to work ), and a refugee.

Mrs. McKinney writes : “there is no UN in Israel”.
There is. I went today to see it in my eyes. It’s situated on
Ben-Yehuda street. not far from what we call “Beit EL AL”.
I went in and asked questions. They issue “refugee Yellow document”
when they’re convinced that a person is a refugee. Usually, for
Sudanese and Sudanese from Darfur.

They will not issue such a document to an Ethiopian.

With this document, the person will go to the Israeli interior ministry
(some 1000 m away), and will get a permission to stay and WORK in Israel.!!!

Former congress woman Cynthia McKinney is a lier and propagandist.
You can figure out her agenda with the sentence she writes:
“…Zionism has surely run out of its last legitimacy if this is what it does to bla bla bla”. Lier.
.

Offended,

OK, I got your point. Personally, I like to see whole spectrum. From the far left to the far right including everything in between in all contexts: social, political and economical, and always under the rule of law.

Accommodating both extreme guarantees what’s lies in between. After all a sound and a healthy system is one that accommodates conflicting interests. It does not have to be one or the other.

A capitalist should be able to advocate his/her interests, and so should a farmer. A conservative Muslim or christian has to be able to push his conservative agenda and so should be the case for an atheist.

Sometimes, I feel that the gap between those who favor the regime and those who don’t in this forum is rather narrow. But it appears that there is a trust issue.

Some of those who favor the regime assume that the other side while advocating the rights of large segments of society, for the better good of the entire society, has necessarily sectarian motives, and always desperately reading between the lines, even if there is nothing to read, trying to find a justification to go back to their stereotypical assumptions .

The other side is guilty of this too, but probably to a lesser extent since the upper hand and the ultimate control lies on the other side.

It’s so bad that even when it’s obvious, such as first lady makes a false statement, none would object. Everyone seems to be in his/her bunker taking sides.

We must get over it. I do acknowledge that things are better that it was under late Assad. However relative improvement does not mean that that it’s over. It’s over when all have a say in their country and that conflicting interests are respected and accommodated.

Jad,

I would like to thank you for posting these links with the regard to the proposed “civil law”.

I tend to agree with Haj Salih, I was against the law but was struck as to the mistrust and fascism that was manifested during the past period.

I felt, just like Saleh did, that someone is trying to steer that “mistrust” I always complain about. Which is rather strange to be allowed or even start in an authoritarian system such is that of Syria.

It reminded me that state of public demonstrations in Syria. You are just allowed to demonstrate in the street for the cause that is approved by the government.

It’s like the government choose to assemble a public enemy of it OWN creation to prolong the rift.

I can tell you this; in the period prior to the” revolution” the religious establishment was irreverent and overshadowed by the modernist and the constitutionalists in the Muslim elite.

Assembling and reassembling that monster in order to retreat to one’s comfort zone is not productive.

Majhool,
Thank you for explaining your points, I may disagree with some point you mention there regarding Haj Saleh and his harsh and uncalled for attack on someone who his intention was the good of the society, but I think that is very normal because I totally agree with your previous note “Sometimes, I feel that the gap between those who favor the regime and those who don’t in this forum is rather narrow”

Regarding the proposed law and either if you are with or against the way the whole crises was run, I personally think that Mr. Quadi did a great job and he was truly working hard and very passionate and honest in his motives.

The only thing I’m seriously concerned about and thinking of is that the government/someone dealing with this whole issue and pulling it out of discussion is somehow suspicious.
It looks as if they intentionally wanted to take the public attention from something else more important, and that what I’m afraid of and I think that we all (willingly) took the bait.
I know that it sounds like the usual conspiracy theory thing we are famous for, but for a Syrian government without an obvious or public humiliation by the presidency veto to pull out something it introduce that quickly just because of writing materials and some talk shows and to uncover from the beginning the privacy over their work and let it out in the public and the newspaper in this easy way makes you think.

Regardless of my own suspicion paranoia of the government and their intention, I’m somehow pleased that this case can be used as a precedent for any future conflict we ‘sure’ will have with the government and I personally learned a lot from it.

Jad,

Looks like we are in agreement for the most part.

Cheers

Jad,

Your note #42 was great ,one of the best road map to better Syria , Your take sound like my take , how about that.

Jad
To get to understand what is going on, will you please answer those questions first:
Is Mr. Kudsi site nesasy.com is blocked inside Syria
Is all4Syria site is blocked inside Syria
Is all thing written by HajSaleh, in opposition sites is blocked inside Syria

Second set of questions:
-Does Mr. Kudsi support the civil society who is working on abolishing the emergency Law which is the mother of all wrongs, is that part of his agenda or dose he care only about women killed in passion.
-The language used in the attack on the dark minded Talaban who wrote the civil law paper, is very harsh and make you think is this comity assigned by MB or by the Government who is placed by the regime, if they were assigned by the later, that means the attack should be on the responsible party for their bad choices and can easily be accused of conspiracy, NOT THE CIVIL SOCIETY, who is the villain here?
-I did not read of any human being in Syria paid his dues and loves his county like Mr. Saleh who spent 20 years in prison, educated himself in prison and he is coming with very interesting and intelligent analysis which even posted here before in SC. He is showing high intellectual ability in stripping the regime from its moral values and I think the smear against him from government supporters is very clear to me an orchestrated shameful campaign.

Dear Norman
Thank you very much, I agree with you about some opposition leader being unable to get over the personal issues and being stuck in what they built around them, at the same time few of them has a very good dialog they are trying to start with everybody.

Trustquest,
I just hope that your question is as simple as I understand if not please forgive me and explain it later in more clear intention:
1- While the government is blocking all those sites I can get to them using a proxy so if I want to read what they are writing I can do that and it’s up to me to take what I think that help me understanding the situation without I stuck with one view.
2- I believe that Mr Quadi is concentrating on one very important issue which is women rights and the women equality that unfortunately our society is insisting of ignoring and we are a backward society when it comes to our women, so for me personally I think that he is doing a good job in that field. Should Mr. Quadi talk about the emergency law instead, I’m not sure if he wants or if he needs to add that to his work, I believe that we don’t need as individual to open too many fronts at the same time which might hurt our main cause. In short, I don’t think it is a necessary for me that Mr. Quadi to prove his good intension by writing about the emergency law, do you?
3- From what Mr. Quadi wrote he did attack both the committee and the government and I didn’t see the unbalance you are referring to and I didn’t read that he attacked the civil society in his mission.
4- I agree that Mr. Haj Saleh suffered for his principles, but he wasn’t the only Syrian who did and that doesn’t make him always on the right side, at least not for me, I prefer to read every piece anybody write as separate so sometimes I agree and other times I disagree.
5- Not being an enemy with the government doesn’t mean that someone is justifying or working within the government agenda, so when I read that reply to Mr. Haj Saleh article I didn’t in any way have the impression that Mr. Quadi is attacking the past of Mr. Haj Saleh, he was purely defending himself and his act, nothing more nothing less and for that I disagree with you on this remark “I think the smear against him from government supporters is very clear to me an orchestrated shameful campaign”

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Thank you Jad, your answer holds valuable information, even you have dodged my assertion that government is a tool for the regime, attacking the government means attacking the regime indirectly, but you are trying hard to tell me there is difference, but we all know there is not. Please also do not get me wrong I found what you wrote is hopeful, wonderful and interesting and you almost sided with opposition but you have stripped the opposition from legitimacy when you said their intention is not good as Mr. Kudsi. You want to say that there is a way to criticize like what Mr. Kudsi is doing and it is more effective but you answered my question in 1 when you said that these sites are blocked. If those sites are not blocked and there is a channel open your theory could be valuable way to add to others to reach public at large. I on the other side, thinks that change requires respect for all spectrum of ideas and they are all necessary for change for better situation. We should seek representation, openness, tolerance and acceptance, which can not apply with the existence of emergency law. Even the “Talaban minds” you and Kudsi have attacked vehemently are part of it. In my view the problem was not the paper or the law, the problem was the way these laws and committees are made and working which voided of representation of free men can speak their minds. There is no representation in all decrees and laws issued in Syria, this is not the first one. In the future there will not be any leak this way in the future and Mr. Kudsi will not find fuel for his best way of influencing change.

1-The government is blocking the sites which vent and defend the well being of the society. Those sites marginally criticize the system, they are kind of part of the system but on his left, most begging for legitimacy and recognition which their rights but the regime is not listening he would used them but not allow them. Even some put the first lady picture on his front page, but no avail. I don’t think that government is blocking those sites but I thin the regime is. Second, if you access those sites that does not mean all people with access to internet in Syria can do, which validate my question that all of this storm is inside a cup created in small circles and blocked by the regime so it did not reach the Syrian street and average Joe you wrote about. The intellectual life in Syria is blocked, period.
2- I admire and support Mr. Kudsi work on civil laws and women issues, he earned my respect but lost it when he attacked in this way and used those strong words against people in the government telling us that those people are Talaban and they are outdated. The premise here that those are a MBs intruders, slipped secretly by someone and no one notice. This committee assigned by the prime minister, he tried hard to keep it alive and still no one dare to attack him (O my O my, if he is the intruder why no one say it out loud). And the attack twisted against the minds, not people responsible, as usual, created an evil and attacked the wind mills. Responsibility of this paper goes all the way to the top, we like it or not. Showing the big brother like a lamb not responsible is not healthy it is just a maneuver against religious minds in the country that we desperately need to open dialogue with. Those are not one or two they have institutions and colleges and they are growing significantly and government can not keep led on them for ever. There is a question begs for answer, how this committee dares to have Muslims polygamy forced on the Christians. Are they that powerful or it was just purposely embedded and leaked to Mr. Kudsi. Is there a reason for doubt, I think so.
3-Yes Mr. Kudsi attacked the civil society in one of their symbols Mr. Haj Saleh, and there were a lot of other blogs, permitted blogs inside Syria, attacking the annidaa.org opposition site because they did not mention this issue.
4-I did not say that because Mr. Haj Saleh, spent 20 years in prison we should adopt his views, I said the guy is giving a lot on the level of philosophy and social analytical that he does not deserves disrespect because he differ with Mr. Kudsi on this issue.
5-As you see, this entire storm did not sound right, it is like someone threw a bone to let others chew one it. Our problem is not only this law which did not show the light but the emergency law which stripped the country of any law. We need laws and order emergency laws. We need an open system all have stake in it, we need committees that have representation from all. Opposition is not luxury things or extra, it is a necessity for the operation of the deteriorated state of the country. Opposition is necessity for the current regime to gain legitimacy, but still maneuvering and trying to imprison other views and block them. The regime thinks that his continues effort to put wedge between them is the way to solve the problems but I think it is the way to exasperate the problem and to prevent any chance for one society in the future.

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The only thing i fail to understand is what does all of this have to do with the golan???last comment promise jad…

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Dear Bassam al-Qadi,

Like JAD, I would also like to thank you on behalf of many SC readers for you extraordinary efforts to provide analysis of the Person Status Laws and to provide a forum in which Syrians can discuss them. You work is much appreciated and valued.

Best, Joshua

Trustquest,
I want to sincerely thank you for this very important debate you are promoting, I agree with most of what you wrote with couple disagreement that are not important comparing to the main big case most of us believe in:

-I agree that the emergency law is the devil that we must get rid of to build a better Syria

-I agree that the respect and including all different spectrum of the Syrian society is a must to build a better Syria

-I agree that the government and the regime are one and I did attack the PM in my comment not the committee because I believe that the responsibility should be on the PM shoulders and I kind of agree with the article you liked for M. Dawara that this lousy committee doing such a dangerous work has in a way some benefit by making the civil society to wake up and notice that it needs to be included and it needs to exist and be loud regardless of the government (regime) opinion, THE CIVIL SOCIETY AND ORGANIZATION MUST EXIST AND MUST LET ITS VOICE LOUD AND CLEAR.

The few points I disagree or differ from you about are:

– (Mr. Kudsi attacked the civil society in one of their symbols Mr. Haj Saleh) I’ll stick with your rule that the civil society has many different voices and faces so replying to one of those voices doesn’t automatically conclude attacking all the civil society, and some of those voices may not be right at that specific issue.

– (he does not deserves disrespect because he differ with Mr. Kudsi on this issue) it’s a two way road here, Haj Saleh did attack with a disrespectfull language first and to be frank he deserve the reply

– (As you see, this entire storm did not sound right, it is like someone threw a bone to let others chew one it.) With all this storm goods/bads with/against I personally think it has a priceless benefit that it wakes us up on our sad reality and it showed us that we are not as handicapped as we thought we are to stand against any wrong doing by the government and it should be an example for any future debates.

Thank you again Trustquest and be sure that I didn’t take any word you wrote in any negative way but the opposite I appreciate every word and thought your wrote about, beside what is the point of a debate if we always agree on everything.

Thanks Jad,
Let me lift the following demands which seem that we all cherish and feel their urgency:

– Remove emergency Law and put back our constitution into work, we need Laws not decrees.
– Prime minister should resign, he showed the backward face of the country and he planted the seeds of hate. Mr. President shows us action unless you are a conspirator with him.
-From now on free election must be utilized; it hurt to see all countries around the world take advantage of inclusion while we still see our country practice exclusion.
– Unblock the sites of the Civil Societies in all its spectrum they are doing good not harm to the people, people need to start to contribute and use their brains. Staying in place motionless is the way for the dark ages, and Mr. president you are responsible for that.
– Let people TALK, it has been too long, otherwise expect explosion when they open their mouths.
– Change is ripe and any delay is harmful and authority needs to stop placing wedges between the sects, religions and organization.
– Time for change can not be postponed.
– We reject redlines and society need to breath.

Trustquest
I agree on each and every demand you are asking for and I doubt that Syrians would think twice when you give them this list. That is the least the Syrian deserve and its time to get it.

Very interesting discussion so far. TQ and I are pretty much saying the same thing.

Intentions aside, I suggest that the next time around when there is a “national debate”, to avoid creating that Muslim monster again. It does not help. Any monster being worked out would be the sole responsibility of the government since it has the ultimate control.

I would love to hear the reaction to the above demands from all Syrians commenting and reading SC, not only you Jad.

Norman, Alex, Majed, Offended, Tdesco, OTW, Shami, others, and even the one who have kid half Americans and half Syrian, Mr. Joshua himself the owner of this blog. We need to know on what ground you guys stand we do not want to feel that we are talking in vacuum. I know all of you liberal and practice democracy in your place and wish it for the people of Syria, but still show some support for civil society before they disappear due to negligence from all parties. Guys please voice your opinion if have one and show some love for that country which going south rapidly and the civil law is the example.

Send a message to regime and authority reflecting your vision not and the urgency not only your analysis of the regime actions.

I wonder if those demands are the most essentials ones which we should consider them as a starting point. If any have to add please be my guest.

I translate the demands you introduce Trustquest, please let me know if I edit your wording too much, I didn’t mean to:

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Thank you Jad, translation not bad at all,

Here is a present for you ( kind of funny) just published online relating to the amendment of law 548 regarding adding 2 year minimum punishment for the passion killing of female caught in the act:
http://damascusschool.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/%d8%a7%d8%b9%d8%aa%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%84%d8%a7%d9%84-%d8%a8%d8%af%d8%a7%d9%87%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d9%80%d8%a9-%d8%a8%d8%b9%d8%b6-%d8%a7%d9%84/

This is one paragraph:
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Although I do not understand fully the language and the words they are using, but in general you can get the idea.
Aiming from pasting this to say that some religious group are “some times” ahead of
some civil groups, which give you idea on the colorful society we are talking about.

Trustquest,
Dr Raiek Alnakari is the only Syrian philosopher who has his own school of philosophy registered in the west, he is one of my favorite writers, he is an excellent reference for almost everything political and religious.
I love the way they analyse and I love their articles, his school is in my humble opinion the only school that deals with the core of everything wrong through a philosophical and analytical approach that lead somewhere.
His “Hayawic Logic” theory is simply excellent, I agree that it is a bit difficult to understand and to get involved in the dialog but just reading it and going through the articles they produce and the rich debate they create is fulfilling and make you feel smarter.
I highly respect Dr. Alnakari.

http://damascusschool.wordpress.com/
http://damascusschool.com/

Jad,
I found Mr. Haj Saleh articles about the civil Law, I found it the best of what was written in this subject. I did not find the reasoning for criticizing this great thinker. Read his first article legitimately questioning the timing and the way constructed and leaked. Then read his real views in the second article regarding this sectarian law.

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Why don’t the laws start in the Parliament with a parliamentary committee that is supposed to represent the people that committee will interview religious leaders and others on national TV so all the people will see where these people stand then present the law to the parliament and if approved , the president needs to sign it and if he vetoes it the parliment will need 2/3 to override , i think a law starts in the parliment will have more justification .

Norman,
Are you here to tease us only, I have asked top 59 a question regarding law and Jad translated the demand into Arabic 63. The demand or call is for applying the law and you come up with idea relating to after applying the law. First you apply the law and then you make role for how to make more laws. We are screaming here and begging the regime to apply the law by removing the emergency law and you come up with suggestion like let make laws in different way, does this come before of after removing the emergency law. I can see the sarcastic tone but on whom?

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