Friday 29 July 2011: “Your Silence is Killing US”
Posted by Joshua on Friday, July 29th, 2011
The opposition has named this Friday: “Your Silence is Killing US” in reference to the silent majority in the cities of Damascus and Aleppo who have yet to join the demonstrations. The three sacred cows of the Syrian regime are the army, Damascus and Aleppo. So long as they remain united and on the side of the regime or silent, the revolution will have a very difficult time overturning the political order.
In talking to friends in Syria, I am told that the mukhabarat are playing an ever larger role in the suppression of the opposition, as military responses prove ineffective. Particularly in Damascus and Aleppo they are thick on the ground in an effort to keep Syria’s two principal cities from becoming battle grounds and going the way of Hama or Homs.
Correction: in my last post, I highlighted a video of Imam Buti being supposedly “expelled” from his mosque. This turned out to the a faked video. He was not expelled. Read the correction I place above the video.
This video is compelling and fascinating but fails to explain why so many Arab countries have supported authoritarian regimes for so long. The explanation given: “the narcissism of the leaders, evil of leaders, they are from military-authoritarian backgrounds, and the people are gullible and childish.” — may be apart of the story, but not the most important part. Patrick Seale comes the closest to raising the real causes of ongoing authoritarianism in the Middle East, but it is almost by mistake that al-Jazeera includes his analysis. The producers make no attempt to answer the hard and vital questions. Without dealing honestly with the failings of Middle Eastern nation states and societies, solutions to dictatorship will be elusive.
Syrian Protests During Ramadan May Turn Every Day Into Friday, bloomberg.com
By Massoud A. Derhally
Syrian mobilization against President Bashar al-Assad has followed a weekly cycle, with the biggest rallies taking place after Friday prayers. That may change during Ramadan, which starts next week.
Activists, analysts and Syrian refugees say the uprising is set to intensify during the Muslim holy month. Opposition groups plan to shift from weekly rallies to nightly ones, held after the tarawih, an additional nighttime prayer recited during Ramadan, said Bashar Afandi and Mohammed al-Klesse, who fled Assad’s crackdown on northern Syria and are staying in Turkish camps.
“The mosques will play a pivotal role and every night, when people gather to pray, will resemble what we have seen after every Friday prayers,” said Mahmoud Merhi, of the Arab Organization for Human Rights. A surge in arrests in the past two weeks is probably aimed at heading off the momentum that Ramadan may give to protesters, he said by phone from Damascus.
Syrian opposition ready to lead, 2011-07-29
Photo: Lee Smith. Najib Ghadbian, Associate Professor and author of The Second Assad Regime: Bashar of Lost Opportunities. Ahed Alhendi is a founding member of Syrian Youth for Justice. Radwan Ziadeh is the Founder and Director of the Damascus Center for Human Rights Studies. Abdul Razak Eid is co-founder of the Committees for Civil Societies in Syria.
DAMASCUS, Syria, July 29 (UPI) — The Syrian opposition has entered a new phase of organization with the goal of taking on a leadership position once the regime collapses, an activist said. High-ranking officials in the U.S. State Department told
lawmakers on Capitol Hill that despite the repressive tactics used by Syrian President Bashar Assad, the Syrian opposition is starting to articulate an agenda for Syria’s future. “President Assad can delay or obstruct it but he cannot, however, stop it,” they testified.
Najib Ghadbian, a member of the so-called Syrian Opposition Consultative Council, told London’s pan-Arab newspaper Asharq al-Awsat the anti-regime movement was preparing to take over the country following the collapse of Assad’s regime….
“The opposition is seeking to show the world’s leaders that there is an alternative to the Assad regime that is capable of filling the vacuum in the forthcoming stage,” Ghadbian was quoted as saying.
Syrian opposition activists meet in Istanbul to plan strategy, July 28, 2011
Approximately 200 Syrian opposition activists met Wednesday in Istanbul for the first of four planned days of workshops intended to coordinate their efforts against the Syrian regime.
“This will be the seed for future civil society institutions and movements in Syria,” said Moaz Al-Sibaai, the meeting’s general coordinator. He said the goal is “to improve ways to deliver our message to the outside world, ways of documenting human rights violations in Syria and giving coherent political messages.”
The gathering, organized by Syrian Activists Network, is taking place in a hotel on the Asian side of the city.
….On Wednesday, the attendees consisted mostly of young adults, some of them from Syria. At the venue, their general mood was enthusiastic, with many expressing optimism they will achieve their goals.
One young female activist, who comes from a long line of Syrian dissidents, said she was thankful for the opportunities presented at the gathering. “I want to attend the media course, I might attend the charity one, but I would be more than happy to join any of them,” she said….
“It is not about toppling the regime, we are past that,” said Sima Abedraboh, an organizer and participant at Wednesday’s event. “We are building here, thinking about the future of Syria.”…
The U.S. State Department this week said al-Assad is the “cause” of the country’s “instability” and is not “the key to its stability.”
“Some guy in Damascus” writes in the comment section on Thursday.
Just passed by the muhkabarat head quarters in Kafer Suseh. I counted more than 30 buses…..looks like sh*t is going down tomorrow.
New round of anti-gov’t protests kicks off in Syria
DAMASCUS, July 29 (Xinhua) — Thousands of anti-government protestors poured down the streets in some Syrian cities Friday for a new round of protests.
The state television said the protests erupted Friday in areas including the flashpoint cities of Homs and Hama and some suburbs of the northern city of Idleb. The private Sham FM radio said thousands of people staged a protest in Hama’s main Assi square.
The state TV reporter in the southern city of Daraa, the epicenter of protests, disputed what al-Jazeera TV reported as large protests in the area and that Syrian security forces fired at demonstrators in the al-Sabeel neighborhood in Daraa. It showed live footage of the area which seems empty with no signs of protests.
The TV said armed men are firing bullets and hand-made sticks of dynamite at the law-enforcement members in the coastal city of Latakia, injuring one.
Meanwhile, al-Jazeera said a massive protest took place in the city’s main Assi square. Online footage showed a huge number of people gathered at the square, calling for the downfall of the leadership.
According to activists, many anti-government protesters recently chose to hold overnight protests in several cities, aiming for a time when the security presence thins out.
Abdul-Karim al-Rihawi, head of the Syrian League for Human Rights, told Xinhua earlier that security forces were conducting a “pre-emptive campaign” before the start of Muslims’ holy month of Ramadan, while some opposition parties said they would demonstrate daily during Ramadan to increase pressure on the government…..
Despite Its Turmoil, Syria Still Looks Like an Oasis to Iraqis
By TIM ARANGO, July 28, 2011
BAGHDAD — At a roadside station here, where buses bound for Syria leave dozens of times a week, the space between two troubled nations is measured by notions of prosperity and security.
“Here it is very hot and Ramadan is coming,” said Majid Shamis, a middle-aged Iraqi who was headed with his wife and two children, ages 4 and 5, for a two-month summer vacation in Syria. “Electricity is better there. Even the security situation is better.”
… In Iraq, Syria still represents something of an oasis. Iraqis began to flee there years ago to escape the American-led war and the sectarian bloodletting that followed. Now, even as Syria faces its own turmoil, few Iraqis are returning home. In fact, the number of Iraqis leaving for Syria is far greater than the number coming back, said Brian C. Vaughan, assistant representative at the United Nations office.
When balanced against Iraq’s continuing violence, its sporadic electricity that will only get less reliable as summer creeps on and an economy dominated by a corrupt public sector, Syria is seen as a better place to live.
Ali, the barbar, heads for the relative security of Damascus.
“You can relax there,” said Ali Mohammed, a barber, who left the Iraqi city of Najaf for Syria in 2005 after he was threatened again and again for cutting hair in a style that offended the version of Islam adhered to by the Mahdi Army, the militia that answers to the militant cleric Moktada al-Sadr.
“You don’t need to worry about electricity, the heat” in Syria, Mr. Mohammed, wearing a skintight T-shirt and wraparound sunglasses, explained as he prepared to return to his adopted country after a visit with his family in Iraq.
His friend Yasir Rashid, 21, was going along for a vacation. “Life is beautiful there, women are beautiful there,” Mr. Rashid said. “That is the important thing. Freedom and security, everything.”
Four or five buses leave each day for Syria from this station. A ticket costs about $25, and business seems to be booming. “The number of people leaving Iraq for Syria has increased because of the summer holiday,” said a bus company manager, Abu Muhammad. “Families are going there to escape the summer heat, and for tourism.”
Bus drivers complain that the Syrian border guards often demand bribes, usually cash or gasoline, but they say that the political upheaval has not hampered business.
“It’s stable, very normal,” said Farras Ali, a driver who makes the trip to Syria three times a week. “The media is making it look larger than it is.”
Of course, many Iraqis traveling from Baghdad go straight to Damascus, the capital, not to regions north of Damascus that are the sites of many protests and the violent crackdown that has left nearly 1,500 people dead.
But if prosperity and quality of life are measured in relative terms, that could explain why migrant workers from Bangladesh handle the luggage at the bus station here — searching for bombs before loading the bags into cargo holds — and serve chai to visitors. They came to Iraq, of all places, to seek a better life. One of them, Mamun Kalegagus, 25, said he had been working at the station, and living at its rudimentary quarters for immigrant workers, for two years. He is paid $12 to $15 a day, more than the $100 a month he earned cooking Chinese food back home.
“It’s better here,” he said, but far from perfect. “In Bangladesh there is no boom,” he added, referring to the still-frequent explosions heard in many Baghdad neighborhoods….. For Iraqis, Syria’s attraction is a measure of the continuing fragility of their own country…
As Iraqis experience their own slow struggle for democracy and witness similar ones in Syria and other countries across the region, some have been inspired to nourish their own protest movement. Nearly every Friday, groups of demonstrators gather in Baghdad’s Tahrir Square.
Other Iraqis, though, especially those travelers here at the bus station, are fatigued from their country’s years of war and failed promises of democracy.
Mr. Mohammed, the barber from Najaf, said of the Arab uprisings: “I don’t care about what’s happening. As a displaced Iraqi, I just want security.”
The Syrian People Will Determine the Fate of Syria: An Interview with Burhan Ghalyoun
Ibtisam Azem for Jadiliyya
In the following conversation with Ibtisam Azem, a prominent Syrian opposition figure and Professor of Political Sociology at the Sorbonne, Burhan Ghalyoun, argues that the Syrian revolution has broken the backbone of the ruling regime in Syria. Ghalyun emphasized that the Syrian opposition will not engage the regime in a dialogue that does not lead to a peaceful transition to real democracy. He also stressed that the opposition vehemently rejects military intervention or any use of force, sedition or sectarianism. Read more
Syria News: Mr. Bakhtian, one of the top Baath party leaders, says, “the Baath Party conference will be a pivotal moment in the future life of Syria”
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Sana: 358 More Citizens Return Home from Turkish Camps, Making a Total of 11000: Jul 28, 2011
IDLEB, (SANA) – Over 11000 citizens have now returned to their towns and villages in the city of Jisr al-Shughour from the Turkish camps, who were forced to flee their homes by the armed terrorist groups, including the 358 returnees who came back over Tuesday and Wednesday through al-Hassanieh border point.
“The truth was finally revealed to the city’s residents and it has now become hard to believe the lies about homes being destroyed and the absence of security which, we are sure now, are mere rumors and completely false and untrue,” said As’ad al-Bustani, one of the returnees, in a statement to SANA…. Dr. Subahi al-Hamdo, in charge of the popular committees coordinating the citizens’ return, said all the families who were in the Turkish Baqshin camp returned home, pointing out that the Turkish Red Crescent removed all the tents at the camp. He estimated the number of returnees till today at 11000 citizens.
From Derhally in Bloomberg on Syrian refugees in Turkey
Sarya Redwan Hmody, a 33-year-old lawyer, said he attempted to return to his home in Jisr al-Shughour, where he was shot in the leg during the Syrian army attack. When he got there, the village was largely deserted and his home occupied by an army general, Hmody said in an interview in a house in Antakya where he’s now staying. Spray-painted across his front gate was a warning: “We’ll bend to kiss the ground that Assad steps on, we’ll die for him and kill everyone in the opposition, young and old, men and women.”
Hmody said he hasn’t heard anything from 16 friends who went back to Syria after Assad declared an amnesty. Kubilay, a Turk who’s helping to shelter dozens of Syrian families in his village, and who declined to give his surname in order to protect them, said one refugee left his six children and wife in Turkey to check on his property a few kilometers across the border and never came back…
Bomb Blast Hits Oil Pipeline in Western Syria, BY: ZEINA KARAM | The Associated Press
A bomb blast struck a major oil pipeline in western Syria on Friday, causing oil to spill into a nearby lake. State television said the explosion was a “terrorist” attack by a group of “saboteurs.”
Saboteur Groups Target Oil Pipline in Tal Kalakh, Homs, Jul 29, 2011
HOMS, (SANA) – Saboteur groups targeted on Friday’s dawn an oil pipeline near Tal Hosh Dam in Tal Kalakh with an explosive bomb, leaving a hole of 15-meter in diameter and causing oil leak.
“At 04:00 am on Friday, some citizens heard an explosion near a pipeline for transporting crude oil to Banyias”, Governor of Homs, Ghassan Abdel al-Aal said in a statement to SANA Correspondent.
The Governor added that the terrorist and sabotage act targets two vital sectors at the same time as the saboteurs chose a point near Tal Hosh Dam which irrigates large areas of the agricultural lands.
The saboteurs committed their act with the intent to cause serious damages and losses through disrupting the irrigation operations and polluting the water of the dam and its channels, he said.
Administration gets fearful on Syria policy: LA Times
Senior State Department officials came under tough questioning by lawmakers Wednesday over the Obama administration’s reluctance to call for Syrian President Bashar Assad’s departure. Despite the Assad government’s bloody crackdown on demonstrators,…
Despite the Assad government’s bloody crackdown on demonstrators, U.S. officials have shied away from calling directly for his ouster. They worry that the United States would end up looking weak if Assad managed to hang on in the face of popular pressure. And with American leverage limited in Syria, they also have been reluctant to raise expectations about what the administration might be prepared to do to unseat the regime.
At Wednesday’s hearing, an unusual coalition of Republican and Democratic members of a House Foreign Affairs subcommittee complained that the effort to calibrate a message had failed to make it clear that America stands with pro-reform protesters against an oppressive regime.
“How many must die before we have the courage to stand up and say that Assad is illegitimate and he must go?” asked Rep. Steve Chabot (R-Ohio), the subcommittee’s chairman. He noted that the death toll in Syria over the last four months was more than 1,600.
Rep. Gary Ackerman (DN.Y.) accused the administration of holding off on its strongest language until it was clear that Assad would fall. “We’re hedging our bets here on the odd chance that he’s going to be able to hang on,” Ackerman said. Paul Richter reporting.
Zawahiri asserts common cause with Syrians
By Joby Warrick – Washington Post Blog
Al-Qaeda’s newly installed leader Ayman al-Zawahiri is claiming solidarity with Syria’s pro-democracy movement, telling protesters in a new video that they are part of a broader revolution to liberate Muslim lands.
Zawahiri, in a seven-minute monologue posted to Jihadist Web sites on Wednesday, accused Syrian President Bashar al-Assad of being both a corrupt tyrant and “America’s partner in the war on Islam.”
“The time of humiliation is gone, the time of deceit is over, and the rule of the thieves is finished,” said the Egyptian-born terrorist. A translation of his comments was provided by SITE Intelligence Group.
Al-Qaeda has struggled to adapt to epic changes underway in the Middle East, as Arab populations have ignored the terrorist group’s recipe for violent jihad in favor of peaceful protests. In the weeks after the start of the Egyptian uprising, Zawahiri issued statements seeking to link the movement to al-Qaeda’s quest for a restored Islamic caliphate.
In the new video, Zawahiri contends that the Assad betrayed the Arabs with his “abandonment” of the Golan Heights—the highlands occupied by Israeli in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war—and says the Syrian leader has served since that time as a tool of the United States and as “Israel’s border guard.”
“Washington today seeks to replace Assad, who sincerely protected the borders of the Zionist entity, with another regime that squanders your revolution and jihad in a new regime that follows America, takes care of Israel’s interests and grants the [Muslims] some freedoms,” he said.
Zawahiri, wearing a white turban and his trademark spectacles, expressed regret that he couldn’t be with the Syrian protesters in person. “I would have been amongst you and with you,” he said, but “there are enough and more mujahideen and garrisoned ones.”
Rejecting Zawahiri: A statement by Local Coordination Committees in Syria (LCC), Damascus 28-July-2011
Local Coordination Committees in Syria (LCC) condemned the statement of the leader of Al-Qaeda Ayman Zawahiri and his interference in the Syrian revolution, while the Syrian regime is waging a fierce repression campaign targeting entire neighborhoods in Damascus and its suburbs and invading and besieging the revolutionist cities…..
Mohammad Al-Abdallah, the spokesman of Local Coordination Committees in Syria, said: “Zawahiri is trying to convince the world that he has supporters in Syria, which will provoke the international public opinion against us and give the regime the right to commit crimes against our people. We condemn such statements that are irrelevant to the revolution, Syrians chose the non-violent way for their revolution and they won’t change it, they refuse any practices or speeches containing sectarian or violent properties”.
Divided Syrian Kurds Ponder Unity Conference
28/07/2011
More than four months after protests began in Syria, Kurdish parties still do not have a clear agenda if the Baath regime falls. Some Kurdish politicians maintain the problem could be solved through a conference to unite the Kurdish front.
Nuri Brimo, spokesman for the Kurdish Democratic Party in Syria, said Syrian Kurdish groups are debating whether to hold a Kurdish unity conference. The groups are divided over who should represent them in opposition conferences and have no clear agenda to push at the gatherings, Syrian Kurdish leaders say.
Over the past few months the Syrian opposition has held several conferences in Turkey. The Kurds have always come out empty-handed, however. Most even withdrew from the most recent conference, held in Istanbul earlier this month, over concerns that their interests were not being represented.
Radhwan Badini, a Syrian Kurdish leader who has attended three opposition conferences in Turkey, criticized Arab opposition groups for not sticking to the opposition’s agenda.
“In most of the conference we agreed on one agenda with the Arab parties, but halfway through the conference they would switch their stance and stand against the Kurds,” Badini told Rudaw.
Syria’s Subversive Soap Operas
By Leah Caldwell in the Atlantic, Jul 29 2011, 7:00 AM ET
What effects might television dramas have on democratic revolution?…
Actor Qusai Khouli plays a resident of Damascus's slums in Birth from the Loins. The series was a clear condemnation of the hypocrisy of the Syrian upper class and gross abuses of power at a level that the audience could easily relate to and the censors could begrudgingly let pass. When anti-regime demonstrations broke out in Syria in March 2011, I remembered a quote from Samir: " You can have your revolutions, your socialism, and your rights - do whatever it is that you do. But in the end, everything will return to its natural state. It will always hold true: the son of the Pasha remains the son of the Pasha and the son of the maid will remain the son of the maid."
NESSL condemns Criminal acts of Terrorist groups in Syria
DAMASCUS- In a statement published on Thursday, the National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon (NESSL) on Thursday condemned the killing, terrifying and sabotage acts committed by the terrorist groups in several Syrian cities, particularly the criminal acts against the army, police, law-enforcement, and security forces.
The statement stressed that the Syrian people’s will for reform, which is among the characteristics of modern democratic and civil country where the citizens participate in making political and economic decisions.
The NESSL called upon the Syrian people to be aware and united to prevent Syria’s enemies from taking this opportunity and achieve their ambitions.
The NESSL warned that the popular demand for reform has changed into armed operations of extremist terrorist nature with the aim of undermining Syria’s stability.
National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon (NESSL) expressed support to the reform program led by President Bashar al-Assad who seeks to build modern democratic Syria and preserve the national unity, denouncing all forms of foreign interference in Syria’s internal affairs.
The statement called upon the churches worldwide to be objective in its view of what is happening in Syria, away from the biased media, and to request their leaders and politicians to support the Syrian people’s interest and not their owns.
Revlon writes about this National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon statement in the comment section:
The statement sets a serious / dangerous precedent in the long history of Muslem-Christian peaceful co-existance in Syria.
The Synod has moved from undeclared neutrality and support of peaceful change to unabashed support of the regime that was declared illegitimate by the demonstrators.
By naming the alleged ”terrorist groups” as the source of violence in this uprising and failing to acknowledge Jr’s responsibility for the thousands of abductions, torture, and killing of men, women and children, the Synod has proven themselves as either notoriously misinformed or plain complacent.
By supporting the aggressor in this crisis, the Synod will be viewed as a party to the ongoing aggression.
Brazil, India, S. Africa Planning Mission to Syria on Violence, By Bill Varner – Jul 28, 2011
Brazil, India and South Africa, which have blocked United Nations pressure on Syria’s government to end repression of protesters, will send envoys to Damascus to seek an end to the violence, according to South Africa’s ambassador to the UN.
The three emerging political and economic powers, which in 2003 formed the coalition known as IBSA, plan to send deputy foreign ministers on the mission, according to South African Ambassador Baso Sangqu.
“The goal is to engage Syria, understand where they are, and see if we can assist them to overcome the difficulties they have,” Sangqu said in an interview. The mission expects to be in Damascus soon, he said.
As elected members of the UN Security Council, Brazil, India and South Africa have combined to put off action on a U.S. and European draft resolution condemning the Assad regime’s attacks on anti-government protesters. Western diplomats say that support from the three might dissuade China and Russia from vetoing it…..
Brazil, India and South Africa are aspiring permanent members of the Security Council that have reshaped the political dynamic in the UN’s principal policy making panel.
“The dynamics of the Security Council are not what they used to be,” Portugal’s Ambassador Jose Moraes Cabral said. “There are new forces, different groupings and, of course, one must take account of them.”
The IBSA nations “reflect a view of the world that is different from the American and former colonialist European view, in that they are very prickly about developing-nation sovereignty,” Jeff Laurenti, UN analyst at the New York-based Century Foundation research group, said in an interview.
Israel to build a racial wall at Occupied Syrian Golan, (Dp-news – Sana)
Israeli occupation authorities prepare for building a cement wall in the occupied Syrian Golan to separate Majdal Shams town from the suburb of al-Oude and the liberated Ain al-Tinah site.
LEBANON: Court releases names and pictures of Hariri’s alleged killers
…the four suspects — identified as Salim Jamil Ayyash, Mustafa Amine Badreddine, Hussein Hassan Oneissi and Assad Hassan Sabra. The men range in age from 36 to 50.
Comments (64)
Majed97 said:
It’s Friday again…it must be happy hour time for the Islamists.
The level of violence by the “?????” phonies is growing by the day; blowing up oil pipelines, stabbing policemen, kidnapping officials, etc.. Their cover is blown now, and their support is dwindling, as would be expected. Their determination to control Syria or destroy it trying has exposed their ugly nature.
I hope the secularists in the opposition are waking up now to realize that they have allied themselves with a bunch of Saudi Wahabbies whose loyalty is only to Mecca. Nothing good ever came out of Saudi Arabia. Just imagine what that country would be like without the oil…
July 29th, 2011, 11:32 am
hsyrian said:
Dear Joshua
Your humor makes US laugh
July 29th, 2011, 11:32 am
Aboud said:
This is the kind of ineptitude with which the mukhabarat hopes to keep a lid on Aleppo. Below is a list of 20 people arrested in Aleppo on July 20th;
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A few names stand out;
1) Lawrence Khalil, the world’s first Christian Salafi, apparently.
2) Three guys all called Mohamad Al-Haj. The security forces apparently didn’t know which Mohamad al-Haj they were after, so they arrested anyone with that name. Brilliant.
3) Omar Shaban and Omer Shaban…being one letter away from a guy who is wanted is, apparently, reason enough to fear for your life.
Idiots.
July 29th, 2011, 11:34 am
Majed97 said:
Syrian secularists need to look at Egypt today and see how the Islamists in that country are hijacking that revolution with their Islamic slogans and unmistakable agenda for a Taliban like Egypt…
Now that the Mubarak regime is gone, new sub-revolutions are erupting in Egypt. The Islamists no longer have any use for the secularists, who actually started the revolution and paid for it with their blood, so they are turning against them. The MBs and Salafists are now taking off their masks and exposing their true intention for Egypt, an Islamic republic with Shariaa law. The secularists may very well lose this fight, as they are outnumbered, unless the military intervenes which I think it will.
Live and learn, and be careful what you wish for…
From BBC News:
Egypt uprising: Islamists lead Tahrir Square rally
Tens of thousands of people have packed Cairo’s Tahrir Square, after the first call by Islamist leaders for nationwide demonstrations since President Hosni Mubarak was overthrown in February.
The demonstrators – dominated by Muslim Brotherhood supporters – are calling for an Islamic state and Sharia law.
Correspondents say the rallies will be a worrying development for secularists.
The Brotherhood is the most organised political force in Egypt, although it was not prominent in the revolution.
Tensions have been running high between Egypt’s Islamist and secular groups, who are at odds over the transition to democracy in the Arab world’s most populated country.
Turning point?
Liberal groups first want guarantees of a constitution that will protect religious freedom and personal rights, whereas Islamists want speedy elections and a recognition of Islam – in one form or another – in the new Egyptian state.
Now, the Islamists want their voice to be heard and are showing their muscle for the first time since Mr Mubarak stepped down on 11 February, says the BBC’s Jon Leyne in Cairo.
Although the Muslim Brotherhood – Egypt’s oldest political party – can turn out huge crowds by rallying its supporters at mosques, it does not necessarily represent the majority of Egyptians and is predicted to win around 20% of the vote in an election, our correspondent says.
There was little sign of any secular groups at Friday’s rally, he says, adding that it will be interesting to see how they re-group after today’s events.
Since early July, the mainly secular protesters had camped out in Tahrir Square – the epicentre of protests that toppled Mr Mubarak – to denounce the ruling military council over the slow pace of reform.
Islamist groups had for the most part stayed away from the sit-in. Last week, they held their own demonstration and accused the Tahrir protesters of going against the country’s “Islamic identity”, the AFP news agency reports.
But with Islamists and the more conservative Salafist groups now filling Tahrir Square, it could mark a turning point in Egypt’s post-revolution period, our correspondent says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14341089
July 29th, 2011, 11:35 am
beaware said:
Unrest in Syria Tests Turkey’s Role as Regional Power: Vali Nasr
By Vali Nasr Jul 13, 2011 3:09 PM ET
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-13/unrest-in-syria-tests-turkey-s-role-as-regional-power-vali-nasr.html
Turkey was quick to cheer the Arab Spring, when hopeful protest seemed to promise a democratic Middle East in Turkey’s own image. But the momentum for reform has stalled, and if developments in Libya, Yemen and Syria are any indication, the Arab world is headed for protracted conflict and instability. That worries Turkey.
However, it is in the interest of both Turkey and the world that the government in Ankara plays an engaged and constructive role during this trying period. …
July 29th, 2011, 11:50 am
beaware said:
Ultraconservative Muslims join protesters in Egypt
http://news.yahoo.com/ultraconservative-muslims-join-protesters-egypt-144439801.html
CAIRO (AP) — Ultraconservative Muslims turned out in force Friday as tens of thousands filled Cairo’s central Tahrir Square in a rally marked by a growing rift in the protest movement.
South of the capital, gunmen fired on a car carrying Christians, killing two. While the motive was unknown, similar events have sparked religious violence in the past.
In one of the largest crowds to fill the square since the popular uprising that ousted President Hosni Mubarak in February, Salafis chanted for the implementation of strict Islamic law — spurring accusations that they violated an agreement to keep the rally free from divisive issues.
The decision by the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s best organized political force, and other Islamist groups to participate significantly boosted the turnout. These groups stayed away from recent demonstrations that sought to keep up pressure on the military council that took power after Mubarak’s fall, leading to smaller crowds.
But the Islamists’ participation also highlighted the growing rift between them and liberal activists. Some Islamist groups rallied their members to the square to oppose the adoption of a set of guidelines for drafting a new constitution after parliamentary elections later this year.
Liberal parties endorse the measure in an effort to limit what they fear will be outsized Islamist influence on the new document should religious groups win a large share of the parliament. The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces has accepted the idea.
Islamists oppose it, saying nothing should restrict the right of the new elected parliament to oversee the process of drafting the document.
While opposing the measure, Muslim Brotherhood members did not press the issue Friday due to an agreement between organizers to avoid divisive issues.
Crowds of ultraconservative Salafis, however, gave a common protests chant an Islamic twist — sparking criticisms from others who said the chants violated an agreement to avoid divisive issues.
Instead of “Peaceful, peaceful,” which demonstrators have chanted during confrontations with security forces, they repeated “Islamic, Islamic.” And instead of “The people want to topple the regime” — a chant made famous in Tunisia and adopted across the region — they yelled, “The people want to implement Sharia,” or Islamic law.
Salafis are ultraconservatives, close to Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi interpretation of Islam and more radical than the Brotherhood. They seek to emulate the austerity of Islam’s early days and oppose a wide range of practices like intermingling of the sexes that they view as “un-Islamic.” Many also reject all forms of Western cultural influence.
Violence broke out elsewhere in Egypt.
Gunmen fired on a car carrying five Christians in the province of Minya south of Cairo, killing two and injuring two, a military official said. It was the second killing in two weeks in the predominantly Christian village of Roman.
Christian residents gathered in front of the hospital where the bodies were taken as the word spread, although the official said the attackers had not been captured and the reason for the shooting was not known.
In the Sinai city of al-Arish, hard-line Salafis fired rocket-propelled grenades and other heavy weapons in the air during protests, injuring a small boy, according to an intelligence official.
Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to brief the media.
In the southern city of Assiut, deputy police chief Yosri el-Jammasi said Salafist protesters beat up a group of protesters from the Communist party trying to join their demonstration. At one point, some in the crowd yelled back at a speaker who criticized the idea of constitutional guidelines.
All protesters agree on a number of other key demands, including the end of military trials for civilians, a clear schedule for the transition to civilian rule and swift trials for former regime officials and those accused of killing protesters during the uprising, which left about 850 people dead.
The rally comes a day after Egypt’s Justice Ministry said Mubarak, along with his two sons, his former security chief and seven others, will be tried at a Cairo convention center.
Of the 11, Mubarak, his security chief — former Interior Minister Habib el-Adly — and six top police officers are charged with ordering the use of deadly force against protesters. If convicted, the eight could face the death penalty.
Mubarak, his sons Gamal and Alaa and businessman Hussein Salem also face corruption charges. Salem, a close friend of Mubarak’s, is at large.
The announcement had little apparent effect on Friday’s protest, mostly because most activists doubt Mubarak will actually stand trial Wednesday as planned.
Mubarak’s lawyer and doctors treating him in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh have repeatedly reported that the 83-year-old ousted leader’s health is failing, though Egypt’s health ministry said he is fit enough to stand trial.
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July 29th, 2011, 11:55 am
hsyrian said:
Dear Joshua,
You should have mentioned the link for the photo of the
Syrian opposition ready to lead, 2011-07-29
http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=hudson_upcoming_events&id=668
Hudson Institute
held a conference on
Syria: Challenges and Opportunities for the New Administration
Thursday, March 26, 2009
2009 !!!! US conspiracy !!!
Who will believe it ?
July 29th, 2011, 12:18 pm
hsyrian said:
Dear Joshua
In your excerpt of
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/syrias-subversive-soap-operas/242718/
you missed the last paragraph:
“”””
If revolutionary demonstrations in Syria usher in a new era of political and social change, then the musalselat of 2011 might be looked back on as the last dramas that had to issue guarded social critiques.
On the other hand, with so many Gulf companies buying up Syrian dramas and censoring them for domestic consumption, it is likely that the obstacles to musalselat production will keep on going.
“”””
Back to square 1 !! ( or Muslim Brothers )
July 29th, 2011, 12:52 pm
Tara said:
Kandahar,
I don’t mind spelling mistakes either. Mnhebaks are boring me to death. Your posts sometimes are the only highlights of the whole page. Keep posting.
July 29th, 2011, 12:56 pm
Tara said:
Be aware,
Who do YOU think killed Harriri? HA, Syria, Israel, an ex-wife?
I won’t be offended if you don’t answer. I know “talking” is not your thing.
July 29th, 2011, 1:05 pm
mjabali said:
Mr. Majed97 comment #4
You are right, in Egypt the Secularists started the whole thing against Mubarak’s regime and the Islamists jumped on the bandwagon and now call for a Muslim State disregarding all of the others.
The Islamists of Egypt, with the help of the money of the Gulf States are now going to take over sooner or later. The money of these states is not used to promote economic development or education as we can see.
The money of the Gulf states is what bringing us all of the cartoonish characters we see and hear about and who are now trying to control the uprisings against the authoritarian rulers of the Middle east. The Islamists of the Middle East has an agenda and it looks like it. This agenda calls for a total redrawing of the area’s borders and map. It is obvious.
The Gulf countries should be careful because their rule is autocratic and fragile. The ideas of social justice that are taking the airwaves are going to reach them sooner or later.
Plus, if you put on top of the ideas for change the religious sectarian combative tone they are helping through the TV stations like Wisal and Safa, one can see nothing but trouble for all of the Middle East.
The only way to curb violence and upheavals is through SECULARISM and DEMOCRACY.
July 29th, 2011, 1:15 pm
Najwa Keylani said:
Iraq is not Syria, and if the US would not have entered Iraq Iraqis would have been out today demonstrating against Saddam. And completely closed dictatorship IS what brings dangerous islamists, an open democratic society where you can argue and build a civil society and discuss openly is the only protection possible, the problem with terrorist dictators like in Syria is that they spread their corruption and violence to other countries and weaken democracy and institutions there (example here:http://bit.ly/nTBFsA ), thus they are actually who destabilize the region and create situation that give birth to islamist terrorists.
July 29th, 2011, 1:29 pm
hsyrian said:
3. Aboud said:
“”””
This is the kind of ineptitude with which the mukhabarat hopes to keep a lid on Aleppo. Below is a list of 20 people arrested in Aleppo on July 20th;
2) Three guys all called Mohamad Al-Haj. The security forces apparently didn’t know which Mohamad al-Haj they were after, so they arrested anyone with that name. Brilliant.
“””””
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???? ??? ???? ?????
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the translation of the names is :
Muhammad ibn Ahmad al-Haj
Muhammad ibn Hussein al-Hajj
Alaa Mohammed bin Haji Din
All are slightly different from Mohamad Al-Haj .
Looks to me your list has triplicated names ( and more features ) to make it larger.
You are excused as you are Homsi and not Aleppine .
July 29th, 2011, 1:38 pm
Aboud said:
@13 But you proved my point entirely. The people doing the arrests did not know, nor did they care to know, the middle names of the people they were arresting.
Each one of these individuals had the first name Mohamad, and last name Al-Haj. Where on Earth did you come up with the family name Den Al-Haj? That’s quite absurd. But Ala Al-Den is of course a middle name.
Honestly, the menhebaks need to ask themselves, if nothing is going on in Aleppo, why are there so many arrests there?
July 29th, 2011, 2:42 pm
some guy in damascus said:
i truly believe the regime has given hope in the rest of Syria. they are now focusing on keeping us (Damascenes) silent. they know that When Damascus rises it is truly the death knell for the regime. the ring around Damascus is on fire. and on Thursday checkpoints are placed on all city entrances. will the Ramadan boost get Damascus up? that is what we have to look out for now…i don’t know about Aleppo but the some major anti-demonstration occurring in abasiyeen square or bab msalla square is a reality that keeps the regime up at night.
July 29th, 2011, 3:11 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
Coming soon:
Joshua&The Angel
July 29th, 2011, 3:11 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
I’m looking forward to chapter 4: Tara & The Angel..
.
July 29th, 2011, 3:15 pm
hsyrian said:
#3
Aboud’s list of Aleppo posted by “As’ad AbuKhalil” is phony !
July 29th, 2011, 3:32 pm
Aboud said:
@18 Hehehe, who do you think gave the list to Professor Abu Khalil? And it’s not fake, no matter how much you’d earnestly wish it to be. It is a testament to the complete and utter incompetence of the security forces.
“Coming soon:
Joshua&The Angel ”
Someone obviously needs the attention.
July 29th, 2011, 3:53 pm
Akbar Palace said:
The BBC is reporting “large” protests. I wonder if SANA is reporting the same thing?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14340115
July 29th, 2011, 4:01 pm
Revlon said:
A major defection has taken place and a significant move twords the formation of the Future Syrian Army has been announced; The announcement of the formation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in the presence of seven defecting officers.
Some observations on the the officers appearing in this video:
First: Their uniform tells that they are either special forces or Republican guards. If so, the prediction that Qasha3ami made in his last video, that I linked was true.
Second: The name of the appointed acting commander in chief tells that he is very likely a 3alawi officer.
They named several of their units after martyrs of the Syrian revolution.
Third: here is a summary of the announcement:
– Caveats of defection
– Objectives
To work with the people to down the system.
To protect the people from the armored killing machine of the system
– Call all members of the Syrian army to defect and join the FSA
– We hereby declare that all security forces attacking civilians are from now on justified targets to be neutralized by FSA.
– We call all opposition forces to unite
– The statement is hereby Signed by
Acting Commander in Chief of the FSA: Colonel(3aqeed) Riyad AlAs3ad
Deputy of Acting Commander: Colonel (3aqeed) Ahmad Hijazi
Commander of 7amza AlKhateeb Phalange: Colonel (Muqaddam) AbdelSattar Yoonso
Officer (Naqeeb)Ibrahim Majboor: Commander of Al7urriyi Phalange
Officer (Naqeeb) 3ala Eddin: Commander of Salah Euddin Phalange
Officer Ayham AlKurdi: Commander of AlQashoosh Phalange
Officer (Naqeeb) Qays
Officer (Mulazem Awwal) Tayseer Yoonso
Officer (Mulazem Awwal) Ahmad AlKhalaf
Officer (Mulazem Awwal) Mazen AlZein
????? ????? ????? ?????? ????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZcCbIPM37w&feature=player_embedded#at=59
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July 29th, 2011, 4:40 pm
beaware said:
Groups quit Egypt rally saying hijacked by Islamists
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/egyptian-islamists-others-gather-show-unity-094550543.html
CAIRO (Reuters) – More than 30 political parties and movements withdrew from a rally on Friday that was organized to send a united message to the ruling army about reform, saying the event was hijacked by Islamist groups.
“Islamic law above the constitution,” read banners in Cairo’s Tahrir Square that was packed with tens of thousands of people. Protesters who fear Islamists will seek to dominate plans to rewrite the constitution demanded they be taken down.
“Islamic, Islamic, we don’t want secular,” they chanted in the square filled with many followers of the strict Salafist interpretation of Islam.
“There are so many (Islamic) beards. We certainly feel imposed upon,” said student Samy Ali, 23. He said Salafists had tried to separate women and men camping there.
Islamists and more liberal groups have diverged on how hard to press the ruling generals for change. They have also been divided over the fate of the constitution, which is to be re-written after parliament is elected later this year.
Liberal groups fear the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s best organized group, and other Islamists will dominate the vote.
….. more
July 29th, 2011, 4:45 pm
NK said:
When those who are supposed to protect you, your family and your country have to dig the garbage containers for leftovers, be very very afraid.
July 29th, 2011, 4:46 pm
hsyrian said:
21. Revlon said:
A major defection has taken place and a significant move twords the formation of the Future Syrian Army has been announced; The announcement of the formation of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in the presence of seven defecting officers.
“””””
Yet another phony video from Youtube !!
Not even sure of the name of the free future syrian army.
https://twitter.com/#!/search/syriancommando will laugh again
July 29th, 2011, 4:54 pm
syria no kandahar said:
Joshua&The angel
Last night Alaaroor angel appeared to joshua while he was sleeping in his home in Oklahoma.
Alaaroor:So you are the famous Joshua Landis.
Joshua:yes sir.can i help you.
A:of course you can.listen i am so mad of you.
J:why sir.
A:you could not find a moslem girl to mary.why did you have to mary an Alawi?
J:but sir i thought an Alawi is moslem.
A:in your dream yanke boy.not in my dictionary.
J:ok whatever you want. i did not know.
A:listen did you hear about my grinding machine?
J:for god sake,why do you talk about it ,that is for syrians.I am an american.
A:shut up yanke boy. did you hear about the new citizenship law which bashar passed?
J:yes sir.
A:that grants you citizenship from your wife.any way,your wife is qualified for my machine being Alawi,you dont want your wife to go in my machine by herself.do you?
J:i mean i love my wife,but i am not i fan of your machine.you dont think that my country will let you put me in that machine.
A:hahah..i hate you and i hate America and especially mobarak hussien.
J:you mean barak obama.
A:exactly,the ediot has made himself a christian,what a shame.i think i will put him in my machine too.God and shiek binladen talk about barak and bush all the time,i think binladen is trying to have every one ther dislike barak.
J:Why are so much hatefull,chill down.
A:listen yanke boy,i am so mad of you,you are running SC right?
J:yes sir.
A:listen i want your site to be completely with the revolution or else you blame only yourself.
J:shiek,i am an academic person.
A:will you are making me really mad,Let me put my machine on.
J:No sir i will do what ever you want:allah souria hurria obass
Then joshua’s wife walk up hearing him saying that.she asked what is wrong?
he said nothing thank god you are ok.
July 29th, 2011, 5:01 pm
Aboud said:
HSyrian doesn’t believe anything that doesn’t come from SANA, and will fall for everything that comes from SANA. He probably doesn’t even know that there was a defection in Abukamal two weeks ago.
Junior will be on the plane to Tehran, and some clueless people will be getting ready to go out to the menhebak demo, that SANA said was being held in the last tiny patch of land that can still stomach his pictures.
@25 Yankee. Yankeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Yan-keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (he’s never gonna make that mistake again)
And you misspelled “idiot”. How…ironic.
You know, I find it troubling that it’s always the menhebaks who seem to bring up the issue of who professor Landis married.
But at least it shows that the professor has excellent taste, Syrian women are the HAWTESS!
(Sorry Lebs, I’m not partial to silicon)
July 29th, 2011, 5:08 pm
some guy in damascus said:
@ SNK
i have not met a single dissident that supports 3ar3oor. personally i dont know what he even looks like.
the last time the muslim brotherhood was in the syrian parliament they only had 3-6% of parliament. snk, syria has a proud history when it comes to a secular society. let me start by reminding you how muslims in Damascus welcomed christian refugees into their homes during the ???? ??????? .
now you tell me, whats the limit of freedom in syria?
July 29th, 2011, 5:16 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
Aboodi
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July 29th, 2011, 5:21 pm
Aboud said:
SGID @ 27, neither have I. Ar’or is to the Baathists what Salman Rushdie was to the Iranians. The menhebaks have made the satellite shiekh more prominent that he ever could be.
Heck, half his viewership is probably this bunch right here, waiting to see what he’s going to say next.
The Angel and SNK
SNK wakes up in his parent’s basement, the sword of Ar’or over his head.
SNK: Nooooooo! Sbare me buhlease! Buhlease don’t kill me!
Ar’or: Kill you sonny? *cackle* Hell boy, I’m gonna give you a great big kiss.
SNK: Eh….?
Ar’or: Damn right son. Thanks to you and the rest of the Bashar lovers, I’ve gotten more notoriety these past four months than I did in 30 years. Yeeeeehaaaaa! Keep up the good work.
SNK: …noto…what…? *cuddles his teddy bear, a lion with junior’s likeness*
@28 Hehehehehe, if you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen….biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch 🙂
July 29th, 2011, 5:27 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
Some guy in Damascus
Just put your eyeglasses and look on Egypt or iraq..you don’t have to look 100 years ago .
40 years ago we had Amkalthoum,now we have Haifa wahbi…things change.
July 29th, 2011, 5:37 pm
some guy in damascus said:
heres what i have witnessed so far:
new terms have resurfaced in the syrian vocabulary: ?????, ???? they were never available before.
the foreign minister announced hes erasing Europe off the map: he forgets about the funding the EU has provided, or even where hes going to get his next bmw from.
people have forgotten the basis of what is a state and what is a government, maybe we should remind them that it is the president serves the people and not the people that serve him.
lots of people complain that there is no other option than bisho, let me remind them that it is also bisho that doesnt allow any alternative to take shape.
government announces around 350 syrians murdered=====> government announces major festivals.( not a second for the dead)
snk please tell me: do you honestly think bashar is a good president?
July 29th, 2011, 5:44 pm
louai said:
‘Peaceful activists’ ,attacked Syrian Arab airline’s office in London .
??????? ???????
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????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ,?? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ???? ????????? ???? ??? , ??” ?????? ?? ?????? ???????? ??????? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ????, ?? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ,? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ? ???, ???????? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????”.
????? ???? ?????? ???????? ????????? ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ????, ????? ??? ????? ????????? , ????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ????????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ???????.
????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ???????? ?????? ??????, ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ????????, ??? ???? ??? ????? ????.
??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??? ???? ?? 4 ????, ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? , ????? ?? ??????? ?????? ?? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ????? ??????, ???? ??????? ??????? ??? ????? ???????? ????? , ?? ??? ???? ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ??????????.
http://www.syria-news.com/readnews.php?sy_seq=135568
July 29th, 2011, 6:40 pm
NK said:
Some guy in damascus
What kind of a question is that “do you honestly think bashar is a good president?”. Whether he’s doing a good job or not is not even open for debate. Of course he’s doing a HISTORICAL job, in fact out of 25 million Syrians, he’s the only one capable of being president. In all honesty he’s such a great guy other nations are conspiring against Syria out of pure jealousy for having such a handsome wonderful young man in charge (an exact quote of a regime trumpet).
a more appropriate question is, how much do you LOVE Bashar on a scale of 9.9 to 10 ?.
p.s. before you ask, yes that 0.1 is all the leniency you’ll get, dropping to 9.899 will expose you as a follower of Arour …. ??? ????
July 29th, 2011, 7:15 pm
Tara said:
Nk
Fascinating. I am studying the mnhebak phenomena. Quite intriguing. Do you remember which regime trumpet said that?
July 29th, 2011, 7:22 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Akbar,
The Arabs have military-political juntas. We in Israel suffer from economic-political junta. “Israel is doing well”, depends on how you define well. Yes, the economy is growing, the GDP + per capita are improving, so how come the people don’t enjoy all that? The answer is, that we become a little America, where very few have much much more than they need, while the overwhelming majority has not enough.
There are 18 rich families (Aka the Israeli junta / oligarchy) who control all aspects of the economy and of the politics. We have to decapitate them. Then, Israel can become a mini Scandinavia.
.
July 29th, 2011, 7:29 pm
Aboud said:
NK LOL! Well put 🙂
July 29th, 2011, 7:32 pm
N.Z. said:
#32
“‘Peaceful activists’ ,attacked Syrian Arab airline’s office in London .”
It is with disgust I read your post, will they be as appalled if the young Syrian men stormed the office and hugged Assad jr. portrait?
One of our finest musicians, nationally and internationally, Malek Jandali, whom resides in the States. His parents were paid a visit by no other than Assad’s security forces.
They left the house after insulting his elderly father and mother and left the home in the same despicable manner, as when the IDF storm the homes of Palestinians. His parents were left locked in their bathroom.
The Jandali’s crime is guilt by association. The same as any Palestinian family in Occupied Palestine. Their children, Syrian and Palestinians are saying, enough oppression, subjugation and humiliation. Do they ever get it. Similarly, they are supporters on both side who see their future without a dictatorship and without occupation, a recipe for disaster.
If Syrians mean to you anything, and if you and your likes are truly scared Islamic rule, it is incumbent on your likes to join forces with our most courageous men and women. One people, one voice, and say NO to tyranny.
Or you have an option, SPARE US THE CLAMOUR and stay silent. Silence is sound, especially when people are demanding a better future selflessly. And you know it as much as I do.
July 29th, 2011, 7:35 pm
some guy in damascus said:
@amir scandinavia doesn’t really have a huge army. Or much enemies. Israel is a looooong way from being a scandinavia. The arabs are even further( the first step to fixing a mistake is admitting it)
July 29th, 2011, 7:54 pm
Amir in Tel Aviv said:
Some Guy in Damascus,
Yes, but the defense budget is only around 15% of the budget cake.
On the other hand, the median age in the Scandinavia’s is around 40, while in Israel, it’s closer to 30. Those 10 years difference are being translated to huge expenses on taking care of the elderly, and so on. Israel has the potential of becoming a real welfare state. A political decision is needed.
.
July 29th, 2011, 8:14 pm
NK said:
Tara
I believe it was Comrade Shahinaz Fakoush of the regional command (??????? ??????? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ?????)
and hey since you’re studying them, ????? ?????? ???????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTWxA7dwlxc
EL OH EL
July 29th, 2011, 9:03 pm
Dale Andersen said:
Memo To: NK
RE: “…how much do you LOVE Bashar on a scale of 9.9 to 10?…”
What is worse, Bashar wasn’t even supposed to be Dictator. His older brother died in an auto accident and everyone had to move up one place in line and so, Bashar became an accidental dictator.
The comedy is, in any other country in the known universe, he’d barely qualify for assistant manager at, say, McDonalds. But in Syria, people spray-paint notices on their gates that read: “We’ll bend to kiss the ground that Assad steps on, we’ll die for him and kill everyone in the opposition, young and old, men and women.”
Go figure…
http://playwrighter.blogspot.com/2011/06/stuck-in-damascus-with-memphis-blues.html
July 29th, 2011, 9:04 pm
Aboud said:
Am I the only one who gets the impression that Ghandi could be president of Syria, with Mother Teresa as VP, and Dale Andersen would still hate Syrians?
CNN: Human rights group: 7 deaths in Syria violence
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/07/29/syria.pipeline/index.html
“Journalist Alexander Page, who said he was with protesters who were marching from Damascus’ Midan neighborhood to Zahera, reported that he saw three people shot when security forces aimed into the crowd and fired. Four buses carrying “regime thugs and riot police” had arrived on the scene, and security forces were stopping cars and beating people, Page said.
The wounded were picked up by security forces and taken away in buses, Page said.
He said a man on a motorbike filmed the faces of protesters as he drove past them. They chased and beat him, Page said.”
July 29th, 2011, 9:13 pm
MGB said:
#37 You beat me to it NZ, but let me give the story again with the clear reason for the criminal and totally illegal behavior towards the Jandali family by the goons who have been terrorizing Syria for the last 40 years: Mr Jandali’s parents were attacked and the contents of their house vandalized ONLY because their son PARTICIPATED in a rally in Washington D.C. calling for freedom and democracy in Syria.
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??? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?????????? ????.
???? ?? ????? ?????? ??? “?????” ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????.
??????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??????!.
????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ????????? ???? ?? ????????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? “????????”? ??????? ??? ?? ????
July 29th, 2011, 9:35 pm
beaware said:
Opposion seeking to prepare the Syrian youth to rule” – Syrian activist
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=26062
29/07/2011
Beirut, Asharq Al-Awsat – Syrian academic and political activist Najib Ghadbain, who is also a member of the Syrian Opposition Consultative Council, informed Asharq Al-Awsat that the Syrian opposition has “entered a new phase of operations, within the framework of preparing the Syrian youth for leadership following the collapse of the regime.”
Ghadbain attended the recent meeting of Syrian opposition groups in Istanbul earlier this week, and he stressed that “the objective of the previous meetings that were held in Turkey [e.g Anatalya summit] was merely to bring together Syrian political activists abroad to find a way of supporting the revolution and to allow the Syrian voices to be heard by international public opinion.”
He added “as for the Istanbul meeting, its objective is to bring together a large group of Syrian youth, from inside Syria and abroad, and prepare them [for rule], by enrolling them in intensive training courses focusing on several subjects, including legal issues, international relations, media, as well as defining concepts such as citizenship, minority rights, and others.”
He also stressed that “the Syrian youth activists require such training, for one of the jobs of repressive regimes is to kill the youth’s interests in politics” adding that “it is essential for the Syrian youth to gain these basic skills, particularly as a broad section of this youth will be leaders in the forthcoming stage; therefore it is our duty to prepare the youth in this regard.”
Ghadbain also told Asharq Al-Awsat that “the youth who have undertaking these training courses will be working to share what they learn with their colleagues [who could not attend the summit], particularly as there is a lack of political awareness amongst the Syrian youth in general.” However Ghadbain acknowledged that the Syrian youth had “learnt a lot by organizing and participating in the demonstration [against the Syrian regime].” He added that “the forthcoming stage is extremely sensitive and we must be ready to meet any challenges.”
As for differences of opinion between the Syrian youth on the ground and the Syrian political opposition, Ghadbain said that “there can be no doubt that the Syrian elite, or the so-called more traditional Syrian political opposition, is not capable of leading the street protests. However both sides have recently discovered that they need one another, for the youth need the expertise of the traditional political opposition, whilst the opposition is in need of the youth’s enthusiasm.”
He also revealed that “the Istanbul meeting was held at the request of the youth, who wanted to develop themselves.”
Ghadbain stressed that “the [Syrian] opposition is seeking to show the world’s leaders that there is an alternative to the al-Assad regime that is capable of filling the vacuum in the forthcoming stage.” He added that “as for the rumors of the establishment or formation of an [opposition] national salvation or transitional government, there can be no doubt that we would support this when the time comes.”
July 29th, 2011, 9:43 pm
Akbar Palace said:
31 Jihadist Flavors
20 more terrorists killed today in Syria. I’m confused, is it Hezbollah, Hamas or al-Queda? I can’t tell one jihadist from the other.
http://news.yahoo.com/rights-group-says-20-protesters-killed-across-syria-001526141.html
July 29th, 2011, 9:43 pm
NK said:
Remember the Collage students (attending military training summer camp) who chanted for freedom last week in Aleppo. I couldn’t find the original full length video but in this one their instructor telling them was telling them “you’re saying it’s a dictatorship, it’s a dictatorship. you’re saying there’s no democracy there is no democracy, there is no freedom, there is nothing, you’ll fail this camp and then what, what are you going to do about it, go kill yourselves. when you get executed, when you get executed” (the video cuts here, again I’ll try to find the original). later the leader of the camp (usually a brigadier-general) is heard telling them (the students) “This battalion will be punished for this behavior”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTNk5OwM-Mg
Disgusting!!
July 29th, 2011, 9:45 pm
Akbar Palace said:
We have to decapitate them.
Amir,
How many jobs to these “18 rich families” create? But before you start decapitating them, what do you think of this article?:
http://www.stevenplaut.blogspot.com/
July 29th, 2011, 9:46 pm
louai said:
Dear NK
relax it was not me who wrote the article ,it was Syria News ,i hope you felt disgusted as well by reading that some Syrians in London attacking their own national air line office and verbally abusing its employees ,the name is ‘Syrian Arab air lines’ ,its not even a government building its not a prison its not Al Baath headquarter .
‘If Syrians mean to you anything, and if you and your likes are truly scared Islamic rule, it is incumbent on your likes to join forces with our most courageous men and women. One people, one voice, and say NO to tyranny. ‘
No to Tyranny, no for power monopoly, no for article 8 and 3 ,(I actually don’t like the entire constitution we need to change it) no for corruption ,no for favouritism ..no for all this and that how can I disagree with this, but also NO for terrorism, NO for revenge, no forever to Bashar .and NO for replacing dictatorship with another one worse ,and no for sectarianism.
‘Or you have an option, SPARE US THE CLAMOUR and stay silent. Silence is sound, especially when people are demanding a better future selflessly. And you know it as much as I do. ‘’
Is that the better future? Are you intending when you remove Bashar to silence all voices that you don’t agree with? Where is freedom of speech?
See ,if I have faith in this uprising as its for better future ,I would at least keep silent and spare you my voice ,but unfortunately ,I see it for much worse future than what we could see in our wildest imagination, I was silent till this uprising called me the ‘silent majority’ ,so I decided to speak up .
PS,its not the islamists I am scared of only ,it’s the civil war ,how cant you see it coming NK?
July 29th, 2011, 9:52 pm
Ya Mara Ghalba said:
My thanks to HSYRIAN #7. It reminds me one more time why I shouldn’t revisit this blog.
I got to the following two videos from http://www.facebook.com/Syria.True.News
Pro-regime rally 28 July 2011 in Aleppo. The festive, happy atmosphere in the crowd can be interpreted as an indication that the crowd believes that the Assad regime is securely victorious in Syria and stronger than ever before (a belief which is true and correct as far as I can see myself).
Video of government army tanks moving through Homs streets 27 July 2011. It is real footage in Homs, but it looks like a movie scene at the end of a war movie, when the war is over, and the virtuous are victorious. It comes with a fine old-timey “Ya Watani!” soundtrack. ???? ??? ????? ??????
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Here’s an evocative photo of pro-regime demonstrators in a suburb of Tripoli in Libya 28 July. It repays ruminating on: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/photo/2011-07/29/c_131017408_3.htm
By the way, the Qadhafi regime has been overthrown in and around the al-Zintan area in the western hills of Libya, and what has happened there can be taken as preview of what would happen more broadly in western Libya if the Qadhafi regime were totally overthrown. It is very ugly. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,776695,00.html
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July 29th, 2011, 10:35 pm
Tara said:
The Arab awakening video above was really a fascinating watch. The most striking aspect to me was what I perceived as melancholic music starting at 24:52. It threw me into a very sad mood. Why us? Why the Arabs?
The video gives you a glimpse into the psychology of dictators. These are the highlights:
Hafez Assas ruled his regime by “I am faithful to you, you be faithful to me” …. Tlass remained the minister of defense for ages.
The dictators always use the line ” we can give you security, stability OR chaos. They often use Islamists to secure their power.
The dictators are always careful not to come across as an absolute monsters. As much as they need to be feared, they hope to be loved. They infantilized their people. They make their people into these little children and of course they are going to stay children. And as long as you don’t misbehave you won’t get beaten, arrested or tortured.
“My people, they all love me” and any one who doesn’t must be an agent of Al-Qaeda or the west because it may be inconceivable for them to believe other wise.
A dictator can be psychologically in touch with reality, by psychological testing, but politically out of touch with reality by surrounding himself with a group of sycophants who are afraid for good reasons and tell him what he wants to hear rather than what he needs to hear. The dictator comes to believe that only him can bring the country forward and no one else can tell him anything.
They believe their people love them, but just in case that the professed love is not real, it is best to know what they are up to all the time, therefore: Every one has to survey on each other. It is necessary to have multiple separate conflicting security agencies not to be on good term with each others-they all report directly to the president. People can no longer trust their neighbors or friends, as they may be government informants creating very paralyzingly climate…. The political leaders are to some extent enslaved by their security chiefs.
Everyone around the dictator becomes sycophant for fear of their life so autocrats risk the ignorance that comes with isolation.
The dictator becomes Hubris which means someone who thinks he is as good as god. Part of the narcism is extreme vanity, vanity about appearance and vanity about one’s possessions. Mubarak’ hair was always black at age 85. (Does that remind you with Besho’ dyed hair at the last unhistoric speech?)
Absolute power requires absolute control of all media. You met educated people in Cairo who read Ahram newspaper because they believed it or because they wanted to believe it. (Remember mnhebaks favorite articles come from SANA.) This is part of INFANTILiZATION of the society.
The family that slays together stays together.
There come a point when so much has been taken from the people that they no longer has anything more to lose.
Mnhebaks, please watch it!
July 29th, 2011, 10:47 pm
Syria no kandahar said:
Egypt Democracy:
Today all beards were on sale in ???? ??????? :
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July 29th, 2011, 11:00 pm
Tara said:
NK@40,
OMG. How did I miss that dude when I lived in Syria? I would’ve killed my self…from admiration that is….
Kandahar& Amir,
You are talking too much about the angel coming into everyone’s dream, I am now afraid to sleep.
July 29th, 2011, 11:04 pm
NK said:
Dear Louai
I believe you mistook me for N.Z. we’re two different individuals, no hard feelings though ^^. Nonetheless if you felt in anyway offended by something I wrote, I apologize, it was not my intent.
regarding the attack on the Syrian Airlines in London, I read the post on Syrian-news but they don’t really say much about what happened, was it an act of vandalism (?????) or did the employees provoke the activists ? either way it’s not something that deserve getting worked up about, as I understand no one was hurt, and no real damage was done, except for the destruction of one portrait of the eternal leader. Such an incident is trivial in comparison to the atrocities the Syrian regime is committing against the activists in Syria.
Is civil war really that big of a threat ? after thousands of deaths among activists over 5 months all I will say ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? , those demonstrating proved again and again that blood and revenge is the last thing on their minds (with the exception to the few incidents here and there that don’t represent the majority).
July 29th, 2011, 11:35 pm
beaware said:
Islamists Flood Square in Cairo in Show of Strength
By ANTHONY SHADID
Published: July 29, 2011
CAIRO — Tens of thousands of Egyptian Islamists poured into Tahrir Square on Friday calling for a state bound by strict religious law and delivering a persuasive show of force in a turbulent country showing deep divisions and growing signs of polarization.
The shape of Egypt five months into its revolution remains distinctly undecided, and Islamists have long been the best organized political force in this religiously conservative country. Some activists speculated that their show of strength would serve as a jolt to the secular forces who helped to start the revolution but who remain divided, largely ineffectual and woefully unprepared for coming elections.
Others speculated that it might force groups to pick sides in a country where the glow of unity after President Hosni Mubarak’s fall in February has dimmed amid recriminations over the pace, style and substance of change.
“Islamic, Islamic,” went a popular chant. “Neither secular nor liberal.”
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July 29th, 2011, 11:44 pm
hsyrian said:
Syria Gets Silver Medal in International Olympiad in Informatics
Jul 29, 2011
Syria ranked second in the 23rd International Olympiad in Informatics (IOI), held in Thailand on July 22-29, for the first time in the history of its participation consecutively.
Kinan Sarmini won the silver medal after getting 454 points out of 600 points in the 2-day competitions which included 307contestants from 79 countries.
Deputy Head of the Syrian Computer Society (SCS), Jaafar al-Khayyer, told SANA that the Syrian team included three contestants beside Sarmini.
Sarmini already won the bronze medal in the 22nd Olympiad competition held last year in Waterloo, Canada.
Ghossoun
http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2011/07/29/361209.htm
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Disclaimers
Discussing anonymous fabricated Youtube videos is like building on quicksand.
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July 30th, 2011, 4:04 am
hsyrian said:
49. Ya Mara Ghalba said:
My thanks to HSYRIAN #7. It reminds me one more time why I shouldn’t revisit this blog.
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You can always revisit the comment section of this blog to get MY daily dose of vaccine against germs !!
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Disclaimers
Discussing anonymous fabricated Youtube videos is like building on quicksand.
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July 30th, 2011, 4:29 am
MGB said:
Dear Louai, (#48)
“No to Tyranny, no for power monopoly, no for article 8 and 3 ,(I actually don’t like the entire constitution we need to change it) no for corruption ,no for favouritism ..no for all this and that how can I disagree with this…”
ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON, Louai, I couldn’t have said it better myself.
But can I please ask you to go a bit further and clarify when you say “but also NO for terrorism,” (again I’m 100% with you on this (and may I include , NO to any form of violence!), , but does this include the violence and terror that has been used by the current regime for the past 40 years?
Louai, my dear countryman, won’t you please acknowledge this fact: unless they had a connection to someone in power, either through their family or their wealth, Syrians have been LIVING IN Terror and FEAR for 40+ years!!!
“NO for revenge, no forever to Bashar.”
Again I agree with you completely, but surely you believe in the rule of law, and justice is not revenge: the people who tortured and killed and terrorized must be brought to justice in one form or another, and though I prefer a S.A.-style Truth and Re-conciliation Commission, it is up to the people to decide, it can’t be imposed on them.
“NO for replacing dictatorship with another one worse,…
I am with you here too, but (correct me if I’m wrong) you seem to see this outcome as a certainty, and therefore we must all shut up, give up, and trust Bashar and Co. to lead us to democracy??? Maybe that’s where the gulf between us lies. Do you really believe that a regime using terror and violence on the scale we have seen has the interests of the country (and the people)in mind rather than their own?
“…and no for sectarianism.”
And the current regime is not sectarian? Goodness me! Not a single article written about Syria (including writings by the owner of this blog) omits mention of the fact that the president and those who wield real power, as well as the majority of the forces that protect this status quo are from one particular sect, and that membership of that sect opens doors that are denied to those outside it! So by all means, no to sectarianism, but we must acknowledge the sectarian nature of the current regime, and if this demand/rule of yours is to be applied, disqualifies it immediately from holding power.
“Is that the better future? Are you intending when you remove Bashar to silence all voices that you don’t agree with? Where is freedom of speech?”
You have the right to speak your mind, even to defend bashar if you wanted, and I will fight anyone who denies you that right. We are demanding freedom and democracy F O R A L L ! ! !
“See ,if I have faith in this uprising as its for better future ,I would at least keep silent and spare you my voice”
But my dear Louai, I don’t want you or anyone else to be silent! The people want to speak and some -huge numbers have been speaking, and you will agree they are doing so at great risk to themselves, sans which, the numbers would have been much, much more than what we have seen. Come on, you know that. And if you have no faith in the voice of the people, who do you have faith in? In the Asads and Co? You have faith in them to usher in the democracy and freedom we all want? They are ordering the killing, the maiming, the arrests, the forced disappearances of tems of thousands…because they want to bring us democracy and freedom? WOW!
“but unfortunately ,I see it for much worse future than what we could see in our wildest imagination, I was silent till this uprising called me the ‘silent majority’ ,so I decided to speak up .
PS,its not the islamists I am scared of only ,it’s the civil war ,how cant you see it coming NK?”
Why should there be a civil war? Who is steering the country and the people towards it? Have you studied all the tyranical regimes that had civil wars of some sort or another? Spain, numerous South American military dictatorships…they all chose to drag their countries into chaos and war rather than surrender power. The Asadist mafia is no different.
So yes, your fears of a war are justified, but the fault lies with those in power, not those demanding freedom from tyranny. Civil war needn’t be a certain outcome if the regime did the right thing and announced it’s acceptance of the will of the people: no more violent repression, the scheduling of open and transparent elections, the dissolution of all the security services and their replacement by a professional police force that operates within the law, the freeing of the media for all to express themselves openly without fear…the list is long and detailed.
Dream on, many will say. Ah, yes, how stupid of me, so I and all Syrians who share this dream must stop our silliness and just resign ourselves to living as slaves in the Asadian prison farm for the rest of our and all future generations’ lives.
Well, dear Louai, the answer is: many would rather die fighting for freedom than submit to this fate!
July 30th, 2011, 5:03 am
MGB said:
Further to my post above, and this is addressed in all seriousness and sincerity to Louai, Jabali and all the other seemingly reasonable and Syria loving people out there.
If democracy and freedom and secularism are your aims and if you really care about and love Syria then why don’t we all join together to make sure that this uprising is not hijacked by Islamists or other non-democratic forces, that it is steered towards a liberal, secular state that guards the rights of all? The more fear you/we plant in people’s hearts and minds of what may follow the easier it will make it for the current undemocratic, oppressive tyranny to survive.
Dear Tara,
I like your psychological analysis of tyrants, but you forgot to also mention that some allow a certain percentage of the people to benefit greatly from their rule and who would be at great risk if it were to collapse. This is the case in our unfortunate country, for even if Bashar were to have a divine revelation and try to deliver what the people wanted, there are those around him with the power to have his head on a platter quicker than it takes for him to say “I quit”.
July 30th, 2011, 6:28 am
Aboud said:
MGB
“for even if Bashar were to have a divine revelation and try to deliver what the people wanted, there are those around him with the power to have his head on a platter quicker than it takes for him to say “I quit”. ”
Very valid point. This is what alot of people at first thought was happening, and, as the article by Emma Sky illustrates, is the excuse many of the supposedly pro-regime crowd are giving themselves to justify their support to junior.
But the fact is, the man has shown he cannot lead. If he is a prisoner of the system, then he is as useless to the country as if he were a strong-man dictator like his father. He cannot keep commitments, he has no authority to cut deals. Then let the regime put forward someone else in his place who can.
July 30th, 2011, 6:41 am
N.Z. said:
It is precisely what we are all fearful of. And how easy to ignite one!
The opposition as far as we know is as colourful as our national fabric.
You find Sunnis opposing Bouti, Alawites abhorring Assad and his shabiha. Christian at the forefront in opposing this regime long before the upheaval. The son who is an Alawite was accepted by a big majority until the moment of true came. The infamous speech, indiscriminate killings.,,,
“I was silent till this uprising called me the ‘silent majority’ ,so I decided to speak up”
Speaking up against the protesters, yet insisting on a Syria free of tyrany…..Do you think is there is a contradiction between your aspirations and actions. It is precisely what I cannot comprehend, and I do thank you for you candour.
Thousands of lives have been shattered, will you want them to stop, now? If so when is a good time for change. The vampires can no longer be allowed to roam freely, they need to be tamed and brought back to civility, where the rule of law and not the rule of the jungle prevails.
Change will only be easier with unity. Till then…let us see how we can make our aspirations inline with our actions. Let us try to see how we can all gravitate in one direction towards the same goal.
July 30th, 2011, 8:13 am
Lolo said:
I these people in the photo of opposition , that will rule me , i would carry a gun and learn how to fight for my freedom , these people still need ceturies to learn democracy , they can not lead a school , not a country .,
I like their smile , they look beautiful 🙂
July 30th, 2011, 8:30 am
N.Z. said:
MGB,
“The more fear you/we plant in people’s hearts and minds of what may follow the easier it will make it for the current undemocratic, oppressive tyranny to survive.” RIGHT ON !!!!!!!
This is precisely where my frustration with the other side, the majority on this blog have a sincere love for the people and the country. But how can we narrow the gap between the two approaches?
I think we are getting closer, we have no choice.
July 30th, 2011, 8:45 am
Mango said:
http://arabic.rt.com/news_all_news/news/563391
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July 30th, 2011, 1:18 pm
mjabali said:
Mr. MGB comment #
You said: “Further to my post above, and this is addressed in all seriousness and sincerity to Louai, Jabali and all the other seemingly reasonable and Syria loving people out there.
If democracy and freedom and secularism are your aims and if you really care about and love Syria then why don’t we all join together to make sure that this uprising is not hijacked by Islamists or other non-democratic forces, that it is steered towards a liberal, secular state that guards the rights of all? The more fear you/we plant in people’s hearts and minds of what may follow the easier it will make it for the current undemocratic, oppressive tyranny to survive. ”
Mr. MGB how do you propose to prevent the Islamists from highjacking this situation? Look at Egypt, any plans?
As for joining forces, I would love to join a legitimate secular/liberal party, where is that party? Any day mr. MGB I will join anyone who is for human rights,the modern law that equals all, democracy, and the separation of religion from state.
The fear we/the ones trying to be factual/ are planting is the hearts and minds of people is a legit one. There is a civil war on the horizon and more violent clashes are on the horizon. AS you see there are a new Army in Syria. We need political parties, new ones, and not new armies.
AS for the undemocratic regime now, look it promised to do things in September and now things are put off till the end of the year, so in my opinion the future does not look good unless smart and unbiased people start taking over and cool things down. Start the political parties process as soon as possible. Do not forget the SECULAR party please.
July 30th, 2011, 1:56 pm
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