There goes Obama, down the drain of our hopes for some understanding of what it is all about.

Annie:

Obama would have little chance to win if he said something different. The MSM would trash him royally. There is little hope that any US president would be permitted to express an understanding of the ME.

Obama will prolong the pain. McCain will be extremely painful but will accelerate the demise of the US empire.

UN’s Ban details Hezbollah letter on prisoner swap
By Louis Charbonneau
Reuters

UNITED NATIONS, July 22 (Reuters) – U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday released details of a letter he received from Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah outlining his group’s conditions for further prisoner deals with Israel.

Last week the leader of the Lebanese guerrilla group made a rare public appearance in Beirut to welcome five Lebanese released from captivity in Israel after Hezbollah returned the bodies of two captured Israeli soldiers.

Israel is also due to release Palestinian prisoners in the future as a gesture to the U.N. secretary-general. Nasrallah said he had written to Ban asking him to use his good offices.

In a letter to the current president of the U.N. Security Council, Vietnamese Ambassador Le Lunong Minh, Ban said that Nasrallah “declared his readiness for participation in the remaining humanitarian cases of Israeli MIA (missing in action) of the 1980s.”

But Ban said Nasrallah was “conditioning his positive attitude to the nature and extent of Israeli humanitarian moves on behalf of Palestinian and Arab victims.”

Ban quoted Nasrallah’s letter saying the Hezbollah chief informed him that further prisoner releases by Israel should “be adequate to the high level of government commitment to the Secretary-General of the United Nations and to the importance of results achieved under the U.N. facilitation.”

In other direct quotes from Nasrallah’s July 7 letter, Ban said he referred to “the high number of innocent victims caused by the war of 2006,” adding that he considered it “as a minimum requirement that the releases comprise a maximum number of minors, women and elderly people being held in … detention.”

These cases “go into the hundreds” according to non-governmental organizations, Ban quoted Nasrallah’s letter as saying.

These must be resolved immediately in order to secure Hezbollah’s support in other humanitarian cases, Nasrallah wrote to Ban.

Under last week’s deal arranged by a U.N.-appointed German mediator, Israel also returned the bodies of eight Hezbollah fighters slain in the 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah, as well as those of four Palestinians, including Dalal Mughrabi, a woman guerrilla who led a 1978 raid on Israel.

In his letter Ban said: “I strongly commend Israel’s readiness to engage in another release of Palestinian detainees and welcome Hezbollah’s willingness in principle to further contribute to the solution of the humanitarian cases.”

Ban said he hoped the next releases lead to “further humanitarian moves.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN22339020

Ugarit said:

There is little hope that any US president would be permitted to express an understanding of the ME.

Ugarit,

How do YOU know US presidents are not “permitted to express an understanding of the ME”, and how would YOU recognize it if they did?

Annie,

No one should expect long-standing relations between two countries to change overnight barring some dramatic and immediate change in circumstance. The US and Syria are no different in that regard. International relations have a certain inertia that take time and energy to overcome, especially in a democracy – a sudden change by Obama, without careful preparation, will appear rash to most voters, who will question the reasoning behind a dramatic change in long-standing policy absent new circumstances. Consider Nixon’s rapprochement with China as an example – it only began after Nixon was elected and initially talks proceeded in secret. It took three years to engineer and prepare the way for his historic visit.

My Talk with the Saudis, and What I Learned from Them
on Wednesday, July 23, 2008 – By: Lerner, Rabbi Michael

——————————————————————————–

I had expected the World Conference on Dialogue convened by the King of Saudi Arabia to be little more than a photo op for the King, a cheap way to buy good public relations for a regime that has refused to increase production of oil as a way to reduce the current surge in the price, provided haven and support for the Wahabist form of Islam that has fostered extremists like Saudi-born and raised Osama bin Ladin and many others, and has done far too little with its wealth to alleviate the poverty and suffering of many in the Middle East.

Imagine my surprise, then, to hear the Saudi King in a language that, as one Muslim observer pointed out to me, sounded more like the New Bottom Line of the Network of Spiritual Progressives than it did like a speech of a self-absorbed monarch.

http://www.israelenews.com/view.asp?ID=2715

Syria rejects ICC’s move against Sudan president

http://www.chinaview.cn 2008-07-23 07:26:42 Print

DAMASCUS, July 22 (Xinhua) — Syrian President Bashar al-Assad rejected on Tuesday the International Criminal Court’s (ICC) move against Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, considering it as an attempt to blackmail Sudan and interfere in its internal affairs.

Assad made the rejection while meeting with Sudanese presidential advisor Ghazi Salah El Din Atabani, who delivered Assad a message from al-Bashir on the latest developments regarding the court’s move, according to the official SANA news agency.

“Such a court decision will hinder the efforts to establish peace in Darfur, and will undermine any effort to boost stability in Sudan,” Assad was quoted as saying.

The president also stressed that Syria, chairman of the Arab summit, will do whatever required to stand by Sudan as it is suffering from plots targeting its security and stability.

In a statement to reporters after the talks, Atabani praised Syria’s stance in support of Sudan, noting the important role Syria plays due to its Arab summit presidency.

The Hague-based ICC Chief Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo formally requested an arrest warrant last week against Bashir for alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity in the western Sudanese region of Darfur.

It was the first time that the ICC charges a sitting head of state, a move decried by Khartoum as undermining peace efforts in Darfur.

Sudan, which is not a member of the ICC, has rejected the ICC allegations, dismissing them as “null and false” and maintaining the ICC has no jurisdiction over Sudan.

http://www.alhayat.com/world_news/americas/07-2008/Article-20080722-4c45ac9f-c0a8-10ed-0007-ae6d12903986/story.html#

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There goes Obama, down the drain of our hopes for some understanding of what it is all about.

Annie,

Did you really think Obama was going to sell Israel’s security down the river? Who gave you this impression?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3571808,00.html

Of course, Obama will flip-flop again if elected, but right now, he has to pander to the pro-Israel christians and the pro-Israel Jews.

Don’t worry, he’s still “your guy”: naive, anti-military, and anti-democratic.

Thank u JustOneAmerican; let’s wait and see.

akbar : although I am not on talking terms with you, may be Israel would be more secure if it stopped its present policy of hutzpaesque oppression and land grabbing.

akbar : although I am not on talking terms with you, may be Israel would be more secure if it stopped its present policy of hutzpaesque oppression and land grabbing.

Annie –

I fail to see how Israel’s evacuation of Gaza and Lebanon without any agreement “hutzpaesque” or “land grabbing”. Now all we have to do is try to get Senator Obama to agree with your myopic assessment!;)

And believe, the next time an anti-Israeli comes along like Pat Buchanan or James Baker (or Professor Josh) pointing fingers at Israel, all Israel has to do is point to Lebanon and Gaza.

Israel isn’t giving up any more land without real peace and security guarantees. Write that down.

Surprise, surprise, the anti-semitic Arab Media is disappointed at Obama:

http://www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/as_cartoons_candidates.htm

AKBAR,

Did you ever try to think that maybe the fact that Gaza and South Lebanon were not part of a negotiated agreement between Israel and a reliable Arab partner … maybe this was the reason you do not have peace with those parties in Lebanon and Palestine? … what did you expect? .. the Palestinians will live in peace with you because prime minister Sharon decided that Israel is too strong to bother sitting with them and reaching a mutually beneficial agreement?

Only a comprehensive agreement with Syria / Lebanon / and the Palestinians will give you (and us) the benefits of real peace.

Alex,
Let’s wait 10 years and see how Syria and Iran cope with the economic challenges that lie ahead of them and then we can decide if Asad is reliable or not. If Syria is on the right track eocnomically, then everything will be fine. If not, perhaps Asad will realize that he needs democratic reforms and that will lead to real peace, not a fake one with a dictator.

Israel is in an excellent position to compete in the globalized knowledge economy. Is Syria? Maybe yes, maybe no. Are the Syrians going to be the Chinese of the middle east or the Zimbabwe of the middle east? Let’s wait and find out.

… what did you expect?

Alex –

I had no expectations that a withdraw of Israeli forces would be met with quiet.

I was just responding to the usual [Zzzzz] accusations like the one Annie posted above.

There goes Obama, down the drain of our hopes for some understanding of what it is all about.

Annie, is that you? The cheerleader for the “resistance” in Iraq? Talking about “our” hopes for Obama? lol. Maybe you should define “our” for us?

AIG,

What’s up, buddy. Did you read the book I mentioned to you a while ago? If not, let me kindly remind you what it was :-): “Defending the Holy Land: A Critical Analysis of Israel’s Security and Foreign Policy”, by Zeev Maoz. I highly encourage you (and anyone) to read it closely.

If you know of any groundbreaking books on the subject, let me (or us) know so that we can share it.

Nidal,
Thanks for the reference again.
Could you also help me with these other references?
I am looking for the following books written by Syrians or Arabs:
1) A critical examination of the education system in Syria.
2) A critical examination of antisemitism in Syria.
3) A critical examination of corruption and its causes in Syria
4) A critical examination of Syria’s defense forces and strategy over the last 60 years
5) A critical examination of science and technology in Syria
6) A history of the Israeli/Arab conflict based on archives of Arab countries

Let’s start with those. I feel it is really unfair that all the discussion should be based on books written by Israelis. It seems a little orientalistic and colonialistic to me. Let’s hear what the Arabs have to say.

I am also very much interested in well researched work by a Lebanese about the Lebanese civil war. Could you recommend such a book?

AIG

I merged two of your comments in the one I released above.

Please try to be more efficient without exceeding the four comments per day.

Attention to everyone here:

Since AIG is interested in studying corruption in Syria … I will be happy to assemble your thoughts into a Syria Comment post about this topic that we can all discuss.

Who is interested in writing (up to 500 words) about the causes and best remedies to this problem?

AIG? Bachmann? Majhool? Atassi? Trustquest? Zenobia? Norman? …

If I see enough interest, I will go for it.

AIG,

I was offending you at all. You always seem to be on the defensive.

It’s easy to recommend books written by arabs. Just start with Georges Corm’s “Le Proche Orient Eclaté”. There’s an english translation of it on amazon. There are tons of books out there written by arabs about a critic of arab governments. Again, it’s not an offense. Simply a friendly exchange of knowledge. I am really interested in your suggestions.

FYI, I am not Syrian, but Lebanese.

Alex,
I am not interested in 500 words. I am interested in a serious book by a well known academic that traces the history and extent of corruption in Syria in the last decades and also proposes what needs to be changed to address it. You would imagine that since most Syrians agree that corruption is a huge problem in Syria that there be at least one book on the subject. No?

The 500 words (by each of many of you) plus another 200 comments will add up to the most up-to-date book.

You can use your 500 words to ask questions in you want.

I am not a book reader, and unfortunately, most Syrians learn from TV and the internet, especially younger Syrians (the majority).

Nidal,

[the point I was trying to make is that] there is no book written by a Syrian general criticizing the Syrian defense policy or army. There is no book written by an ex-education minister of Syria or Egypt crticizing education in Syria. Yes, there are many Syrians that criticize the government of Saudi Arabia and vice versa. Each Arab country is happy to criticize the other, but not itself. I would like to see self criticism byknowledgable people, like what you see in Israel. Otherwise, all these discussions are quite boring. It is really amusing to me that Lebanese are trying to improve Israel by giving Israelis advice especially based on the excellent work you have done in your country.

I read the most recent version of Corm’s book. What he writes about Israel is extremely shoddy and at a high school level.

How about this one:
“Syria: Neither Bread Nor Freedom By Alan George”

On the Lebanese Civil War, the build-up and aftermath:

Farid El Khazen, “The Breakdown of the State in Lebanon”

Kamal Salibi’s “A House of Many Mansions”

Elie Salem’s “Violence and Diplomacy in Lebanon”

Marius Deeb’s “The Lebanese Civil War”

Fawaz Traboulsi’s relevant chapters in “A History of Lebanon”

There are plenty more.

As for Syria, I’m not an expert on the literature. Spend some time on Amazon and JSTOR. You’ll find something I’m sure.

AIG,

Your four comments for today are done.

I edited part of the above comment, I hope you note what I edited and stay away from that style of communicating with others.

Syria buries dozens of guerillas returned in Hezbollah prisoner swap
By The Associated Press
Tags: Lebanon, Syria, Israel

Mourners in Syria buried dozens of guerillas killed fighting Israel over the years after their remains were returned Wednesday as part of a deal between Lebanon’s Hezbollah and Israel.

Relatives waiting at Syria’s border with Lebanon showered the coffins with rice and rose petals. Black-clad Muslim women among the thousands of Syrians and Palestinians in the crowd uttered cries of joy as they watched the convoy snake toward the Syrian capital, Damascus, for a burial ceremony.

Israel returned the remains of nearly 200 Arab fighters to Lebanon last week in a prisoner exchange with Hezbollah. Israel also released five Lebanese prisoners. In return, Hezbollah returned the remains of two Israeli soldiers the group captured in a cross-border raid that triggered the 2006 war.

On Wednesday, 114 of the slain fighters were returned to Syria. Most of the dead were Palestinians and Syrians. There were also eight Tunisians, three Libyans, an Iraqi and a Nigerian. The were transported from Lebanon to Syria after Hezbollah identified the remains.

By also seeking the return of non-Lebanese fighters in the deal, Hezbollah sought to broaden its support among all Arabs, not just Lebanese Shiite Muslims.

A young Libyan man who came to collect the remains of his father, killed 19 years ago while carrying out an attack in Israel, said he was thankful for Hezbollah’s effort in the negotiations.

“I feel proud. We have waited a long time for this moment,” said the 20-year-old, Ibrahim Ali Nonsah.

The coffins, covered with wreaths and Palestinian and Syrian flags, were trucked across the border to a ceremony attended by representatives of the Syrian government and radical Palestinian factions based in Damascus.

Some of the slain fighters were buried later at a cemetery in the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp near Damascus. Tens of thousands of mourners waved Palestinian flags and shouted for the killings to be avenged.

Others will be buried elsewhere in Syria. The remains of the other Arab fighters will be handed over to their governments.

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2008/07/there-is-no-qualitative-difference.html

There is no qualitative difference between the countries of the Saudi camp and the Syrian and Iranian regime in that they all agree that their priority is to stay in power, and all are willing to sell the Palestinians and their own slogans to stay in power and to please the American administration. I mean, what about that request by a semi-official Syrian delegation visiting Washington, DC to meet with officials from AIPAC? And this article here quotes a source in the DFLP that the Syrians whose bodies or remains were returned by Israel to Lebanon in the recent prisoners’ exchange were in fact wanted by the the Syrian regime because they were working (fighting) with Palestinian organizations?

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2008/07/press-coverage-of-white-man-of.html

The press coverage of the White Man of the developments in Zimbabwe has been quite sickening but not surprising at all. We are treated to articles that want us to believe that Mugabe is the worst dictator out there. Yet, here he is meeting with opposition leaders and signing deals with them. Can you imagine the pro-U.S. dictators in UAE, Jordan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Libya, Morocco, Egypt, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, and other places meeting with opposition figures? I mean the president-for-life-and-death in Egypt put an opposition figure in jail for daring to run against him in a sham presidential election.

I think that “Alhaqiqa” is another Al-Syassa … if you go through their stories from the past few years you will find that most were not true.

But it is very interesting that the Syrian delegation asked to meet with AIPAC.

I disagree with angryarab … nothing is wrong with talking to AIPAC. Is he suggesting that one should not talk to his adversaries, then how different is that from the Neocons?

Alex,

It’s hard to argue with him that they are all qualitatively the same with respect to staying in power.

In other news:

US wants Lebanon to talk to Israel about Shebaa

And, a list of Lebanese detainees in Syrian prisons (via BeirutSpring):

Shouldn’t they first be talking to thier adversaries inside the country?
Why they push their adversaries in prison if they talked to Americans. I hate bias.

Trustquest,

No bias here.

They should indeed talk to their adversaries inside the country.

Qifa Nabki,

I did not criticize that part. I agree.

As for the Lebanese prisoners in Syria, do you think they are all alive? Do you think they are in Syria?

Logically speaking, why do you think Syria does not want to release the ones who are alive in Syrian prisons?

I do not have a solid opinion. I THINK that some of those names are indeed in Syrian prisons, others died either in Syria or in Lebanon during the civil ear.

Alex,

I have no idea. Some people believe that most of the prisoners are not from the Civil War, by the way. Rather, they were jailed between 1990 and 2005, for resisting the Syrians in some fashion or another.

Syrian chief negotiator says Syria can not ignore Israel … Israeli troops as so close, he can see them from the roof of his office building in Damascus.

Syria allied itself with Iran because Egypt was too busy with internal problems and Saudi Arabia busy with its own interests.

Taki said he is in Washington to present to the Americans Syria’s vision for the future of the Middle East.

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Alex & QN,

I am also perplexed by this issue too. How many of them are still in jail, how many of them are dead or lost? Who knows. This issue needs to be dealt though. It should not be thrown in the abyss. But I don’t think it would be resolved until Lebanon becomes stable politically, and relations with Syria improve.

QN,

What would Lebanon do if Syria said that there are no living Lebanese in Syria’s prisons and all the missing are dead ,

Would Lebanon continue the war of words with Syria ?.

Ammo Norman, Nidal, Alex:

I can tell you from personal experience that the Lebanese in Syrian jails issue is one of the big sources of resentment towards Syria among Aounists, and Lebanese Christians in general.

It wouldn’t be a good move for Syria to say that they are all dead. First of all no one would believe them.

But it looks like Moallem was positive about some kind of solution.

Here’s Michael Young’s latest piece, which touches on this issue.

The State Department said that it would meet with the three, but not in any official capacity only as private citizens

Gee, it makes you wonder why the US troubles itself by maintaining a State Department.

Latest news is that the State Dept. is NOT going to meet with the three.

QN,

Do you think that Lebanon is responsible for the more than 4000 Syrian soldiers who died saving Lebanon during the civil war ,

Hezbollah seems to be the only organization that does not allow revenge to affect it’s drive to achieve it’s goals.

They did not seek revenge after the defeat of the Hariris and Jumblats , They made a deal with Israel after Mughneia’s death . they seem to be willing to offer sacrifices to achieve their goals.

QN,

I agree with you about the Aounists and Lebanese Christians resentment (or uneasiness) towards Syria because of the Lebanese in Syrian jails issue. Yet, I have a feeling that it is going to be resolved pretty soon, most likely at the end of next year after the 2009 elections.

Norman,

I don’t think Lebanon, as a nation, is responsible for Syrian soldiers deaths, since they were occupiers (yet invited by President Frangieh in the beginning). Although I do think that certain people or factions are definitely responsible for the very few atrocities (and there were some) committed on Syrian soldiers. But that occurred on a minor level by individuals which should be prosecuted individually. Therefore Lebanon cannot be blamed as a whole. That’s why I am a huge proponent of a type of Truth and Reconciliation commission (of course somewhat different from the South African example) to heal past wounds, because I do not believe that any of the main actors, whether Syrian or Lebanese, will ever be indicted (and that’s unfortunate).

Let’s start with those. I feel it is really unfair that all the discussion should be based on books written by Israelis. It seems a little orientalistic and colonialistic to me. Let’s hear what the Arabs have to say.

You are so disingenuous and patronizing. It is just painful to read.

LOL Zenobia:

Yes it is a little orientalistic , but do remember “Our claims” We are from the region and we will colonize it and fashion it in our image!

(Yawns!)

…there is no book written by a Syrian general criticizing the Syrian defense policy or army

AIG –

I found a book written by a Syrian General. Lt. Gen. Mustafa Tlass:

It called “The Matzoh of Zion”.

Tlass attempted to create a reputation for himself as a man of culture, and emerged as an important patron of Syrian literature. He published several books of his own, and started a publishing house, Tlass Books, which has been internationally criticized[1] for publishing anti-Semitic materials. In 1983, Tlass wrote and published The Matzoh of Zion, a book that intends to prove the ancient “blood libel” myth, i.e. accusations that Jews use the blood of murdered non-Jews in religious rituals such as baking Matza bread. Tlass has re-printed the book several times, and stands by its conclusions.

I found this comment from MEIB to be interesting:

By far, his [Tlass] most important work is a two-volume memoir entitled Mirror of My Life. Its importance comes from the fact that its author is the only Syrian politician since 1963 who has laid down his memoirs for history.

AND:

The outspoken Tlass has made other inappropriate public statements in the past that have greatly embarrassed the regime, most notably his remark in January 1991 that he felt “overwhelming joy” when Iraqi SCUD missiles landed in Israel.6 American officials were outraged, but again Tlass escaped rebuke from Assad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Tlass

http://www.syrianhistory.com/content/chief-staff-ahmad-suwaydani-decorating-general-mustapha-tlass-deputy-minister-defense-medal-

http://www.meib.org/articles/0007_sd2.htm

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CEEDF1330F93AA35756C0A9649C8B63

Ammo Norman

I agree with Nidal. And I’d also add that Syria wasn’t a completely innocent bystander in the Lebanese Civil War. It helped stabilize the country, but there was a political agenda alongside the humanitarian one, and sometimes that political agenda helped to prolong the hostilities rather than curb them.

The only way for Syrian _ Lebanese relation to improve is to let all the prisoners in both countries to go free , imprison the criminal ones in their respected countries and assume that the rest are dead, I think that was the case after WW2.

with that Syria and Lebanon can look for the future instead of the past.