Josh,

These second thoughts have been germinating for a while now – I wrote about similar remarks by David Schenker back in June.

You are correct about the delusional nature of these concepts – they must be exposed so that the primary voters in 2008 realize what they’re buying, whichever party ends up carrying the neo-con baggage.

Josh,

Looking back in times at Iraq, it seems only yesterday that the Arab street predicted all this with brutal cynicism that made the neo-Con’s optimism evaborate in the hot desert sands of the Middle-East. The amazing thing about these quotes how stead-fastly those Neo-Con’s still holds on to their belief in the original idea behind the invasion. Yet, they have abandowned the only man who believed in them and took their advice to task. Now that is what I call American Politics.
Iraq can only be tamed when a comprehnsive peace intitative is launched with the same vigor the Allied launched the Marshal Plan after WWII.

Interesting:

The UK government believes Mr Assad is keen to establish good relations with the west but is caught up in faction fighting between those who, like him, favour negotiation, and others who have been emboldened by Hizbullah’s success against Israel this summer.
The Guardian

President Bush should have known that the neocon will leave his side and blame him for the failiure in Iraq when it is too late to save the country of Iraq ,their aim was established by using the Americans to destroy Iraq for the sake of Israel ,they are feeling now the shift in the US toward the democrats and i beleive they are trying to move to that party to complete their plan for the midleast,God help the US and Syria ,President Bush has two more years and i hope this betrayel by the neo con will move him toward his initial conviction ( HUMBLE)and peace in the midleast ,Syria and Bashar can help save his legacy,that is if he is allowed to.

I must admit I thought pretty highly of Mr. Landis before he branded Hizbollah a terrorist group. This is a purely American trait: brand your enemies terrorists so you don’t have to communicate with them or reach any kind of compromise, despite the fact that such “terrorist” entities such as Hizbollah, Iran, Hamas, etc., have huge popular support and are capable of solving many problems in the Middle East if only they were constructively engaged with rather than demonized. But where would we be without our demons?

I think you guys are too hard on MR Landis ,look at his openions and writing as a whole ,look at what does not only what he tells a western outfit.

The neo cons make me violently ill. Creative chaos is exactly what they wanted in Iraq. The ‘mistakes’ like dismantling the army were neocon policies. And the original idea – imperialism – was not noble. How many more millenia is it going to take to teach people that imperialism doesnt work. In the past it took centuries for empires to fall apart, now it takes decades. America is destroying itself as a free and prosperous country by its idiotic, ignorant, arrogant rape of foreign lands. I wish the US and Britain would commit to never again interfering with armies and governments. But they won’t. In a couple more decades they’ll be unable to. But by then they’ll have covered us with even more chaos and depleted uranium.

The fatal mistake committed by the US Administration was to permit the Syrian Regime to live on after liberating Iraq. Had they been bold enough to take both Syria ad Iraq at the same time, this democracy project would have been a great success.

Who is to blame for this miscalculation? I guess it is not a miscalculation because the Israelis opposed the change of the Syrian Regime. The Syrian Regime is serving Israel in many ways, and that is what saved it at the end.

Now when Saddam has sentenced also the Anglo-American world should have a serious discussion what is the responsibility of own regime members. Saying OOOOBS it was a mistake is hardly enough of all this killing and mess that will reflect long in the future.

Norman’s comment that the Neocons are now moving to the Democrats (Hilary Clinton has consistently attacked Bush for being too harsh on Israel and not tough enough with Iran) and the comment after the previous post that if Josh didn’t call Hizbullah terrorists he wouldn’t be taken seriously in America, point to the lack of real democracy and freedom in the states. Ammar AbdulHamid, Ehsani2 etc please take note. There are narrow limits of discourse in the US. If you overstep the limits you are laughed at or ignored. Of course this is better than the situation in Syria. I’d rather be ignored than be tortured. But it isn’t freedom or democracy. The same corporations that control the political parties control the media. The neocon change of direction is tactical, retreating from ‘tactictal’ defeats in order to continue the general strategy.

All the above is beside the REAL point.

The cause of the above is not merely Bush or the neo-cons or old-cons, or whoever. The faults lay upwards and across the board and a lot deeper than there.

When a “person” who enjoys G.W.Bush mental, social, economic, ideological, mathematical or even conversational capabilities can make it and become the President of the 300 million inhabitants of the United States of America; that is where the fault lies. Do not blame Faith, Rummy, Casey, Chaney, or even Bush. Blame the Nation that both chose and allowed such “elite” to become their rulers. Blame the behind the seen manipulators whose mold has cast a once great nation into a nation of 300 million “Parrots”, “cheerleaders” and “blind followers” thinking that life is what they see on TV screens in weeknight serials.

A nation without a sense of direction. A nation that accepts recognizes and boosts about the “intolerable” fact that Money and Big Interests can buy the elections. A nation where Jewish funding recently constituted 45% of all Democratic Campaign Funds, and 28% of all Republican Funding and nobody cared to tell anybody about it. A nation where almost everyone twos the line, knows the limits and play ball and pockets his share. And the hell with all else.

A nation, or a super power, that has a huge community of people living below the poverty line. A nation that has been led to sell its sole to consumerism that it can not pay for. A nation that “enjoys” seeing Afghani detainees flown on military jets, dressed in orange and chained to the floor. A nation that cheers firecrackers over Baghdad resulting in unimaginable personal horrors. And does not object. Or Question. And “thinks” that such behavior is acceptable, and that such behavior can win wars. A nation that is continuously fooling itself, supported by a deeply controlled and collaborative Media, a nation that allows itself, its values and its ideal, be thrown out of the window once its Tobacco, Fruit, Oil, Sea Passage, or whatever other interests become endangered. With totl disregard to the interests of other people. A nation whose understanding of a good economy is the price of a gallon of oil at the pump station. A nation that allows manipulators, be them educational, material or ideological, shape its course without “thinking” to question them. This is a nation that deserves not only Faith, Leaden, Rumsfield, or Bush. It deserves a lot worse. Rome, even Rome, was better. Unlike the US, it had wisdom, and it had the true interest of Romans at the core. Unfortunately, this is not the case with the US, where Blacks are until this day and age called Niggers. And where paychecks, football games and school proms, are the focus of life. A nation of Rambos, Michael Jacksons and Rockefellers.

A nation without a true purpose, apart from empty talk about Liberty, Freedom of Choice and the Patriot Act. A nation of blind sheep which has surrendered its will and purpose to its manipulators. And if questioned, it is quick to lay the blame on its “politicians” or on the “electoral system” which it the have accepted to follow. It is a country that has forgotten Kennedy’s words: “ask what you can do for your country….”, and has replaced them with one-liners from nightly talk-shows, when sober enough to comprehend what is being said. A nations which claims to care and weeps for the fall of Two Thousands of its own soldiers in a battle it intiated, but looks the other way and does not even blink when the pictures of Hunderds OF THOUSANDS of Lebanese, Iraqi, Palestinian, and Somali children are pulled from under the rubble caused by its own weapons.

Not to be hard on the American people, Leaders, make nations. And the current onse didnt even give America or a “willing” 300 million Americans a chance.

Now Saddam is sentenced. Who will sentence the CIA that propped him to rutheless dictator of Iraq in order to opress Iraqi communists. Who will sentence France and the US who armed him to fight Iran, who will sentence Rumsfeld who went to take pictures with him after he gased the Kurds…Sure Saddam made crimes, how about Bush?

Ausamaa,

Your recent post is preposterous.

How dare you attack the intelligence and accomplishments of the American people and their nation?

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awarded every Nobel Prize this year to an American citizen save for the literature and peace prizes. American higher education institutions are the envy of the world. The American annual Gross Domestic Product has topped 11 trillion in real Dollars. The country’s constitution and legal systems are second to none.

Your tirade against Americans and their immense accomplishments is a clear manifestation of your ignorance and childish commentary.

You have the right to disagree with the American President and his policies. Many people in the U.S. share this sentiment. However, this does not give you the license to write nonsense.

Dr. Landis,

I would have expected a personal response from you to what was written about your own country.

Ausama, I think you were harsh taward the poor American people , as my American father in law once told me ( they do not ask us about forign policy ) most American do not support Israel occupation and aggretion ,they do not approve American intervention abroad but has no power to change the direction as most politicians listen to people who donate money to their campains as politecal life in the US require significant ammount and most people vote on more than one point like affirmative action ,low taxes school choice , abbortion right and immegration in addition to many other points ,it is hard for the American people to chose between the republican and the Democrats when both of them are fighting to be the more supporter of Israel,so most people do not vote on that point, by the way Ausama American jewish voters vote for the DEmocrat mre than the Republicans in the election because they fear Christian fundimentalism more than they fear a lack of support for Israel.finaly ,the American people are fair and decent people when they know the truth but unfortionatly they are bainwashed with that CD telling them time and time again that the Arabs are terrorists and Israel is a victom ,so do not blame them they are brainwashed.

Dear friends,

Mr. Bush with his pseudo-Christian stance pro-Israel, enlist the AEI (=Americans Empowering Israel, that’s what AEI stands for, isn’t it?) as his policy making arm. Than he takes coleagues of mine, like Falwell, Robertson and Dobson as his spiritual Gurus. These guys are as sane as Ahmadinejad (in terms of messianic apocalyptical vision of the future for the region).
Honestly, what do you guys expect?

Ehsani and Ausamaa, no need to get upset at each other … basically both of you like to focus all your energy on defending your point of view instead of trying to balance your comments. Which is fine as long as you both acept the other’s style and preferences.

Ehsani, I only agree with about half of Ausamaa’s comments, and I agree with you that he went way too far in holding most Americans accountable for the miseries of the world today.

However, I will accept that from him. Why? Because for me the new rules of the game were set through the extravagantly disproportionate amount of blame that America and its friends, Saudis Lebanese, Kuwaitis and Egyptians, as well as its free press, directed on Syria for everything that went wrong in the middle East the past few years. Count the number of articles and press releases and interviews that put the blame for Iraq’s violence on “fighters coming through the Syrian border” … try to visualize all the negativity that the Syrian regime got for allegedly killing Lebanon’s prime minister (one person) then see if those who started the war that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians got a proportionate share of criticism.

If the white house spokesman can deliver lies everyday for the past few years, we all can twist the truth as well, no? … This is what you get after the way this administration obliterated the high esteem that people around the world had for America and its goodness and its trustworthiness and its democracy …

Your reaction, and that of other fans of the west and of democracy, to comments like Ausamaa’s remind me of the reaction of some of the extremists to the pope’s warnings for Islam … All of you defend America, and “democracy” the same dogmatic way that religious extremists refuse to hear any criticism about their sacred religion. And those who dare criticize your sacred country (America) are offensive and blasphemous and you ask for everyone (like Joshua) to do their duties by joining you in defending the honor of your sacred country.

You know, I love the United States and the American people, and I wish the Arab democracy project could have been a great success. I was totally behind the United States after 9/11 … but what can I say? .. there was only so much lies, special interests, failures, hypocrisy and killing I could take before I got disappointed.

I hope it is not too late. President Bush can still do a lot of good if he wanted to. But I am not counting on that.

My God, some make me sound like the Salman Rushdi of the US.

Where did you see hatred of the American people in what I wrote? Criticism Yes. Free expression? Yes. But anthing else, NO.

Or do you guys think that you can dissect every single corner of our Lands, beliefs, collective conscious and culture, and then expect to remain immune from less harsh and “injuring” criticism. Has an expression of an idea become a sin? You accuse 300 million Arabs for being unreformable because of cultural, religious and ethnic factors, but when some one criticizes the political ignorance of the American people you jump up and cry FOUL?

WE read you as you read us. Not to set up each other at certain opposing ends, but, American society is not without faults. Look around, read around, and explain to me why the” ignorance” and “backwardness” of the Third World is the “real reason” that terror thrives among their populations, while in Democratic, Enlightened, and Free America, State terror thrives in the upper and middle echelons of the political and the military industrial machine? Without any accountability to a “presumably educated, informed, liberal, and democratic population”? You can hold the” less educated” accountable for crimes, but at the same time you shy away and refuse to hold the “better educated and free society for allowing worse crimes to take place in their name, maybe without their knowledge, but still in their name?. They do have no interest in Geography. That is not the worlds damned problem. They do not care about what happens outside of the continental US? That is not the fault of Zainab, or Dina or Zahra who were murdered by Israel, or by a brainwashed undertrained or a drug addict US soldier in Iraq. Ignorance is no excecuse. And no one id defending Muslim extremists here. After all they were the tools and the “expected by product” of US opportunistic policies. So, come on guys. Nobel Prizes.. huh?? Want to set the number of US Nobel Prize recievers against the number of new Weapons patents registered annually in the US. Or against the number of US bombs falling on the four corners of the world? Or against the number of people who have died because of them? Two trillion dollars is the cost of the Iraqi bill, and your Free, Democratic, Enlightened US poulation does not have a decent health care plan? Nobel Prizes????

My God, forgive me for I have sinned. The great people of Lebanon seem a better debating partner from some of the writers above. So actuall are a lot of brave American writers whose voices and opinions have been stiffeled by the ” other people” who “have” the American people where they want them to be.

And mind you, I am not on a crusade to “win the hearts and minds” of the average John Doe.. For the moment, I am running away scared of what is being done in the name of John Doe….

Mr. Perle blames it on the incompetence of the Bush Administration and its poor execution of the war. Now they have began repenting (after the Iraqi resistance have made it costly for Bush et al to control and rob the country) and thus have begun speaking like the Democrats: “I would’ve fought the war differently” (Kerry). The problem is never that this war was illegal and immoral, a criminal war of aggression. That thought is outside of the permissible range of debate in the US. And when the neocons wander outside of the realm where the US only commits “tactical mistakes” (as in Bush’s incompetence in execution of aggression), the farthest they will admit is: “whether exporting democracy is something America knows how to do.”!! The media goes along with this limited explanation for what’s wrong with US policy. “We’re always trying to do good, but we’re sometimes clumsy” is the propaganda version not challenged by the media. And most of those brutal neocons are the same crew under Reagan back in the 1980s when US support for Saddam correlated highly with his brutality.

John,

Interesting comment, however, may you elaborate further on what kind of benefits do you think the Zionist entity are getting from the Syrian regime ?

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ausama is so correct in recognizing the humani tragedy.and that is ;we have a.strong military in the hands of immature nation.this is the american nation they need centuries to develope .we hope they do that fast befor they really destroy the world not onley the middleeast .

their was no moderation in the AWE AND SHOCK bombing of an inhabited city .the name of the city was BAGDAD .THE BOMBS LIGHTENED THE SKY LIKE CHRISTMAS TREE.i wonder about a ntion would impeach the president for playing with his cigar and keep a man who destroyed a country and killed thousands american and IRAQIS .a nation talk about freedom and the congress vote only for money ,in the members pockets.the driving force for this nation is money ,and offitial corruption.the american people should hear this without calling us terrorist.it is for the sake of this land we stand and say the truth.,

Who are we?

‘Boycott Israel’ was initiated by a group of Palestine sympathizers in February 2001. We were many that had had enough of the scandalous and hostile policy towards the Palestinians, a line of politics that led to the Al-Aqsa intifada that broke out in September 2000. A lot of people in Norway participated in the demonstrations and campaigns, but we feel it is necessary to take it one step further.

Earlier in the nineties the Norwegian Palestine Committee started a boycott campaign of Israeli products, especially Jaffa oranges. The last years this campaign has not been organized centrally, but has functioned more as individuals have kept it going on their own. We wanted to breathe new life into the organized boycott.

As for now, a long list of parties, political youth organizations, trade unions and solidarity organizations have joined us. Since the list is continously updated and in Norwegian, we don´t have it here on the English pages.

Do you want to join?
If you are a member of an organization, we encourage you and your organization to join ‘Boycott Israel’. This can be done by sending an e-mail to [email protected] or sending a fax to Boycott Israel c/o Fellesutvalget for Palestina – nr. 22 17 05 51.

here’s another organization

http://www.divestmentsupport.org

Sixty Years of Israeli Brutality
By Chronicle

THE world’s most power leaders, U.S. President, George W. Bush, Germany’s Angela Merkel, France’s Nicholas Sarkozy, and England’s former Prime Minister, Tony Blair gather in Jerusalem this week to celebrate Israel’s 60th birthday. “A state built on blood, murder, theft and lies.” Their presence in occupied-Jerusalem signals to the world and especially to the Arabs their support of Israel’s subjugation, humiliation and terror against the Palestinians. Only recently Israel recognized the existence of Palestinians. Its founders were all members of terrorist organizations — Ben Gurion, Golda Meir and Yitzhak Shamir, Moshe Dayan, among others, refused to acknowledge that Palestinians existed, and after 60 years of a brutal occupation, the Zionists quest to eliminate the Palestinians from their homeland continues unabatedly, but Palestinians refuse to disappear.

It’s no secret that Israel was founded by a terror network led by terrorists groups such as Irgun, Haganah, and Stern Gangs. A reference to encyclopedias of the 40s-60s will confirm that. By 1948, and before the UN recognition of Israel, the Zionists amassed the financial and military support to occupy Palestine. They terrorized the British who abruptly left Palestine to Zionist fanatics from Europe. “There is no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews. Many young (Arab) girls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested.” (General Richard Catling, British Army Assistant Inspector after interrogating several female survivors).

Zionist terror started as early as 1937, but the younger generation today is unaware of it. Between 1937-1939 Zionist terrorists attacked Palestinian buses resulting in 24 deaths. In 1939 Haganah blew up the Iraqi oil pipeline near Haifa. Then in 1940 Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister, Lord Moyne, in Cairo. As well as, on 25th November 1940, the S.S. Patria was blown up by Zionist terrorists in Haifa Harbour, killing 268 illegal Jewish immigrants aimed at drawing sympathy and to force the British to allow Jews to migrate to Palestine. In 1946 they blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, both Haganah and Irgun Gang were involved. As well, in 1946 Irgun Gang bombed the British Embassy in Rome, and in 1947 a postal bomb exploded in the British War office. The British squarely blamed the terror on Irgun and Stern Gangs (The Sunday Times, Sept. 24, 1972), p. 8.

From 1947 to 1948 thousands of Palestinians were killed by Zionist terror and 700,000-800,000 were uprooted from their ancestral home, Palestine. These facts are all well documented, and I will discuss only a few because of limited space to chronicle them all. In December 1947, six Palestinians were killed when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab houses in Haifa; 12 Palestinians were killed in a village near Haifa. On the 13 December 1947, Zionist terrorists believed to be members of Irgun Zevi Leumi murdered 18 Palestinian civilians in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lud areas. In Jerusalem, they bombed Arab market-places near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa bombs were thrown into an Arab café; and in the Arab village near Lud, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

In 1948 Haganah blew up the Sarai in Jaffa killing 40 and on January 5 they bombed the Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem, among the dead was the Spanish Consul. From December 13, 1947 to February 10, 1948, they blew up 9 Palestinian buses and attacked passenger trains four times killing 93, as well, cafes and markets were bombed, killing 138 people. The Salam building in Haifa, a seven-story building of apartments and stores was bombed on March 22, 1948 by Stern Gang, and between April 25, 1948- May 13, 1948 Jaffa was looted and destroyed by Irgun and Haganah terrorists. And let’s not forget that on 17 September 1948, Count Folke Berndadotte, UN Mediator in Palestine was assassinated by members of the Stern Gang.

And adding fuel to the fire, the United Nations in 1947 with 56 members was not a democratic body that represented the world when it voted to divide Palestine, and of the 56 members, only 58% supported the division of Palestine. In 1947, most of Africa, Asia and the Caribbean were under the imperial power of France, England, Holland, Spain and Portugal. Thus, it’s a myth that the UN created Israel. These European powers held back independence of their colonies because they conspired to create Israel and knew that it would have never happen if Africa, Asia and the Caribbean were free from European chains. Some brave nations that voted against the partition were, Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, and Yemen.

Another myth is that Israel is a beacon of freedom and democracy; on the contrary it is a religious state that affords only Jews freedom and democracy. The entire Jewish world is awarded Israeli citizenship, a despicable act, and an affront to the millions of Palestinians who live under Israel’s brutal-military occupation and those whose properties were confiscated and uprooted out of their land of birth and can’t return today yet the world Jewry are welcome there and awarded Israeli citizenship. Bush, Merkel and Sarkozy will toast to this.

Today Israel is feeding fear into the minds of people in its campaign to demonize the Palestinian liberation struggle as terrorism and parading itself as the eternal victim. Israel lectures the world that she is the defender of Western civilization and values against a barbaric enemy. This fear benefits the Jewish state. The same European nations that for hundreds of years tried to exterminate the Jewish are today its biggest consumer of this “fear tactic.” France, the United States, Germany and England have all armed Israel since its illegitimate founding in 1948. The Zionists were bent in occupying more Arab land, naturally their eyes were set on the West Bank and the Golan Heights, and thus it’s a fallacy to assert that the Arab attack on Israel led to the lost of these territories. And today the facts are staring us in the face. Israeli is not serious about peace, it continues to steal more Palestinian land, kill and terrorize. The West Bank is occupied and Gaza is under siege. People are deprived of healthcare, food and water, and in this backdrop, Merkel, Sarkozy, Blair and Bush are cheerleaders of Israel’s brutal 60-year occupation of Palestine. Israel can only celebrate its military might, “but in terms of justice, morality and humanity, one struggles to name a country on earth that so openly practices oppression and racism. As such Israel, on its 60th birthday, remains what it was when born six decades ago: a state built on blood, murder, theft and lies.”

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