Syrian Rebels Getting Stronger – They Fit a Mold: Poor, Pious, Rural
Posted by Joshua on Thursday, October 18th, 2012
Syrian Rebels Getting Stronger? – Shameless self promotion….
The Class War Undergirding the Most Recent State of the Revolution Takes Shape
CBS News: Enemies of Assad in Syria fit a mold: Poor, pious, rural – CBS News
2012-10-16
ALEPPO, Syria Most of the rebels fighting government forces in the city of Aleppo fit a specific mold: They’re poor, religiously conservative and usually come from the underdeveloped countryside nearby.
They bring to the battle their fury over years of economic marginalization, fired by a pious fervor, and they say their fight in the civil war is not only against President Bashar Assad but also the elite merchants and industrialists who dominate the city and have stuck by the regime. The rebels regard this support for the government to be an act of betrayal.
The blend of poverty, religious piety and anger could define the future of Aleppo, and perhaps the rest of Syria, if the rebels take over the country’s largest city, which is also its economic engine. They may be tempted to push their own version of Islam, which is more fundamentalist than what is found in the city. Their bitterness at the business class may prompt them to seek ways of redistributing the wealth.
“Those who have money in Aleppo only worry about their wealth and interests when we have long lived in poverty,” said Osama Abu Mohammed, a rebel commander who was a car mechanic in the nearby town of Beyanon before he joined the fight.
“They have been breast-fed cowardice and their hearts are filled with fear. With their money, we could buy weapons that enable us to liberate the entire city in a week,” he said……
NPR’s On Point
Syria’s Evolving Uprising Excellent discussion with Ghaith Abdul Ahad, Amr al-Azm, and
Historic, once-bustling bazaar in Syria now a battleground
The ancient Souk Madina, a World Heritage Site, is divided between rebels and President Bashar Assad’s forces. Caught in the middle are residents and merchants….
“It’s our livelihood,” he explained, abruptly bursting into tears, a man of 60 weeping amid the desolation.
Abu Taher found little sympathy, however, from a group of armed rebels camped out in front of a trashed pistachio emporium, 50 yards from the front lines and the current range of government marksmen. The rebels have seen many of their comrades killed as they battle the forces of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
“Why are you crying about a shop [when] people are dying?” one combatant with a Kalashnikov rifle dismissively asked the grieving merchant, who, like others, requested that he be identified with a nickname for security reasons. “Go back home, uncle.”
Tensions among Alawites pose new challenge for Assad
By Liz Sly, Published: October 17
BEIRUT — Rumblings of discontent within Syria’s Alawite minority are presenting a new challenge to President Bashar al-Assad’s efforts to retain power in the face of an expanding armed rebellion, calling into question the loyalties even of his own sect in the conflict ravaging the country…..
Syria’s Air Defenses Would Stifle A Turkish Military Intervention
By: Eyup Can posted on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2012 – al-Monitor
If anyone wants to advocate intervention in Syria he should first explain to us Henri Barkey’s concerns and that air defense system.
Syria’s sophisticated air defenses are the first of several good reasons why Turkey should not contemplate unilateral military action against the Damascus regime, writes Eyup Can….
We have been debating Syria for months. Are you pro-war or pro-Assad? Shall we enter or not? Shall we set up a buffer zone with the United States or go to Damascus by ourselves in three hours?
Talking is free of charge. Everybody talks. But look what Barkey [a Turkey analyst at Lehigh University], was telling [Radikal journalist] Ezgi Basaran in their interview yesterday: “The Turkish army doesn’t have enough experience to set up a buffer zone.”
And then he lists the bitter truths.
To those who might ask who Henri Barkey is, let me remind them: He speaks Turkish better than most Turks, has worked in the US State Department and is a highly respected academic close to the Democratic Party. What does he say?
“Turkey cannot enter Syria unilaterally even if it wants to.”
Why not?
“Turkey’s aim to create a kind of buffer zone coupled with a no-fly zone in Syria. This is why it is pressing on the US [to get involved] because it can’t do this by itself. So why aren’t Americans doing it? The Syrian air defense system is highly sophisticated. America has to put hundreds of planes in the air to suppress that system. Since that air defense system was designed for use against Israel, it is developed far more than you may think. Yes, we can create a buffer zone in Syria but they will definitely shoot down some of our planes. This is not a game.”
Mind you, Barkey is not anti-war or pro-Assad. In the interview he accused the Turkish main opposition of being pro-Assad. He partially absolved the Justice and Development Party (AKP) government, saying: “They didn’t have too many options.”
But his words are distinctly different from the politicians and those who are put on TV screens as experts.
“I have been in Turkey for a week. Thousands of experts appear on TV to debate Syria but nobody mentions the points I have raised with you, because they don’t know,” Barkey said. “In 1983, Hezbollah attacked a US Marine base [in Beirut] and killed [241] marines. The US decided to retaliate and the Syrian anti-aircraft system shot down two US planes. One of the pilots died and the other was captured by Syrians.
“What I am saying is that the US knows by its own experience how difficult it will be to set up a buffer zone between Turkey and Syria. To implement a buffer zone you will have to keep combat air patrols flying nonstop. As I was working with the US State Department I know how difficult a mission like that can be. Iraqi radars were locking on to US planes and we were firing missiles at those radars. We were firing at Iraqi air defense systems every day and missing them most of the time,” he said.
“The buffer zone is not easy. You will have lots of nasty incidents. If they put an anti-aircraft system next to a mosque, the plane can hit the mosque and kill the civilians in it. We saw this in Iraq. Can Turkey do all this? It can’t.”
Why not?
“Most importantly, Turkey lacks the experience. When was the last time Turkey fought another country? The Turkish army can be the second largest in NATO but it is not experienced,” Barkey said.
“There is a humorous side to this: In 1998-99, Cyprus was thinking of buying the S-300 anti-aircraft systems that Syria is using today. At that time, the Turkish air force practiced, in Israel, suppressing S-300’s because they didn’t know how to deal with that weapon.”
All day yesterday, I wanted to double-check what Barkey had said in the interview. We contacted the Foreign Ministry and the Chief of General Staff offices. They had all read the interview carefully. What they basically said was: “Yes, Barkey had some correct points but it is not really all that difficult [to overcome Syria’s missile shield].”
This is why if anyone insists on intervention in Syria or the establishment of a buffer zone, he should first explain to us Henri Barkley’s concerns and that air defense system.
The number of air defense missiles are striking. Yes, Turkey is far stronger than Syria in terms of its number of troops — including naval and ground forces — but Syria is far ahead in air defense missiles that it has set up to confront Israel.
Compared to the 178 missiles Turkey has, Syria has 4,707 air defense missiles. Barkey did not give the figures but drew attention to this reality.
Syria’s wealthy businesses feel civil war squeeze
AYA BATRAWY | October 17, 2012 | 
CAIRO — Syria’s wealthy, long cultivated by President Bashar Assad as a support for his regime, are seeing their businesses pummeled by the bloody civil war. Factories have been burned down or damaged in fighting. International sanctions restrict their finances. Some warn that their companies are in danger of going under, worsening the country’s buckling economy.
Assad may not have lost the backing of Syria’s business elite, but some are losing faith. Many of those who can have fled abroad, hoping to ride out the turmoil, which is now in its 19th month and is only getting worse as rebels and regime forces tear apart the country in their fight for power.
Several businessmen interviewed by The Associated Press say resentment is growing against Assad over the crisis – but they also aren’t throwing their lot in with the rebellion. They are hunkering down, trying to salvage their companies.
One young businessman said his family factory in the suburbs of Damascus was damaged Wednesday, with windows blown out and part of the ceiling was destroyed when warplanes hit rebels in a neighboring building. Its several hundred employees had to hide in the basement until fighting eased enough that they could be bused out to safety.
“I feel that they are both just as bad as each other,” he said of the rebels and the government. “I could have died today because they (the rebels) were across the street from us and they (the planes) could have bombed us.”
EU blacklists all Syrian ministers in new round of sanctions
2012-10-16
Brussels (DPA) — All of Syria’s government ministers were banned on Tuesday from traveling to the Europen Union and had any assets they hold in the bloc frozen, as a new round of EU sanctions on the conflict-torn country came into effect. EU foreign ministers had approved the sanctions on Monday, but the targets were not immediately identified. The EU also agreed that “restrictive measures … be maintained against former ministers of the Syrian government since they may still be considered to be associated with the regime and its violent repression against the civilian population.” The people hit with travel bans and asset freezes also included Suleiman Maarouf, a businessman with a British passport who the EU said is “close to President (Bashar) al-Assad’s family” and “supports the Syrian regime.”
A field guide to Syria’s jihadi groups
16 Oct 2012
Aron Lund writes: Eighteen months into the Syrian uprising, the country’s Sunni Arab insurgency is now fighting a largely sectarian war against a regime dominated by religious minorities, most notably the Alawite sect to which the Assad family belongs. While the exiled opposition movement in Turkey and elsewhere remains reasonably pluralistic, the armed insurgency that […]
Aron Lund – Syrian jihadi and Islamist movements at ForeignPolicy.com: For a longer report of mine on the same topic, from August 2012, see: http://www.ui.se/Files.aspx?f_id=77409 (PDF)
Iraqi Shi’ite militants fight for Syria’s Assad
Reuters reports: Scores of Iraqi Shi’ite militants are fighting in Syria, often alongside President Bashar al-Assad’s troops, and pledging loyalty to Iran’s supreme Shi’ite religious leader, according to militia fighters and politicians in Iraq. Iraqi Shi’ite militia involvement in Syria’s conflict exposes how rapidly the crisis has spiraled into a proxy war between Assad’s main […]
Netanyahu Mulls Action to Stop Syrian Weapons, Channel 2 says
2012-10-16 By Jonathan Ferziger
Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — Israel contends that weapons from Syria are being sent to Hezbollah organization in Lebanon. * Netanyahu will consider strike if Israel finds proof chemical weapons are being sent to Hezbollah, according to people close to the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because a decision hasn’t been made yet. * Hezbollah is considered a terrorist organization by Israel and the U.S.
Syrian human rights groups say that at least 28,000 people have “disappeared” in Syria since the beginning of the 19-month long uprising, and some estimate the number of missing to be as high as 80,000. According to a director at the online activist group Avazza, “Syrians are being plucked off the street by Syrian security forces and paramilitaries and being ?disappeared’ into torture cells. Whether it is women buying groceries or farmers going for fuel, nobody is safe.”
The Kingdom of Silence and Humiliation
Looking back on life under the Assad dynasty.
BY AHED AL HENDI | OCTOBER 16, 2012
….He then called a guard, whom he ordered to “take good care” of me.
Both men spoke with the distinctive accent of the Alawites; in fact, every single person in the prison did. The Alawite minority has effectively ruled Syria since 1963, and especially since President Hafez al-Assad took power in 1970. So when you hear this accent, you pay attention. Ever since I can remember, this has been the way that the people with real power in our country speak.
They did not keep me for a few minutes. They threw me into a cell they called “the Suite.” Measuring five feet by one and a half feet, it had no windows. There was a hole in the floor for a toilet and a hose attached to a faucet in the wall. The hose had two purposes: to keep the toilet clean and to provide me with drinking water. They told me I’d be staying for two years……
Lebanese in Syrian villages gear up
By Mirella Hodeib | October 13, 2012, The Daily Star
MASRIYEH, Syria: The bearded man eagerly showed his Lebanese identity card and property deeds issued by Syrian authorities. As he crossed the narrow bridge into Lebanon, he explained that although Lebanon was his country of origin he considered Syria his real home, describing it as the “mother of all the poor.”
“We will not leave the land where we were born and where we work,” said Ali Mohammad al-Jamal, a resident of Farouqieh, a Syrian border village inhabited by Shiite Lebanese. “We will defend our village no matter what.” “We have been living on this land for decades, before Hezbollah even existed,” the farmer continued, boasting an AK-47 he said he bought for $2,700. “I have four others like this one,” he added.
Only the men remain in Farouqieh and Masriyeh, some 300 meters away from the Hermel village of Al-Qasr. The women and children have all headed west into Lebanon.
Jamal, 40, who sent his family and parents to the safer Al-Qasr, decided to stay behind to guard his home and land.
Though a staunch supporter of Hezbollah, the man criticized what he dubbed as the party’s “cautious behavior” with regard to the unrest in Syria.
“Although attacks against us have become intolerable, the party still asks its supporters to exercise self-restraint and not be dragged into big fights,” said Jamal, whose home has been attacked by Syrian rebel forces.
Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah dismissed Thursday as “inaccurate” media reports saying members of his group were fighting alongside the forces of Syrian President Bashar Assad.
He also said 23 border villages located inside Syrian territories but inhabited by Lebanese were forced to take up arms following attacks by the Free Syrian Army, stressing that the population were fighting by themselves and no one was fighting on their behalf.
Located a few kilometers away from the Syrian region of Qusayr in Homs, the villages of Matrabeh, Zeita, Hawik, Aqrabieh, Semaqieh, Jermash, Akoum, Nahrieh, Sqarja, Fadlieh, Gawgaran, Hantalieh, Sefsafeh, Farouqieh, Masriyeh, Wadi Hanna, Hamameh, Sugmanieh and Hawsh al-Sayyed lie on Syrian lands but are all inhabited by Lebanese.
Nasrallah did acknowledge that the commander of Hezbollah’s infantry unit in the Bekaa Valley died while performing his “jihadist duty” in one of those villages.
Ali Hussein Nassif, who went by Abu Abbas, was buried week. He was among those who died defending Shiite villages on the other side of the border, according to Hezbollah’s leader.
Sources close to the party in the northern region of Hermel said reports about Hezbollah sending fighters to war-torn Syria were meant to cover up for a highly probable attack by Syrian rebel forces on the string of border Shiite villages inside Syria…..
Hizbollah ‘launching rocket attacks into Syria’
By Daily Telegraph correspondent, Hermel, Lebanon
In a worrying sign that Lebanon is getting drawn further into the Syrian conflict, the Iran-backed Shia militant group is accused of using its military bases in the Bekaa valley to shell rebel positions in Syria.
“They are concentrating on hitting the villages where the Free Syrian Army are, to weaken them before launching a ground attack,” said Abu Obeida, a Lebanese resident of the border town of al-Qaa. “I have seen the rockets firing; they pass over your head.”
Driving across the Hermel plains of the northern Bekaa, 10 miles from the frontier with Syria, The Daily Telegraph could hear the sound of rocket fire. The salvoes came in waves – the dull thuds of the launchers shattering the stillness of the night air as they released their loads. Half an hour later, the tempo quickened to a near constant onslaught, filling the valley with the sounds of warfare until the early hours of the morning.
Hermel is Hizbollah’s most loyal heartland. It is the territory of Shia villages, agriculture and the group’s closed-off military zones.
“You are deep in Hizbollah’s country here,” said Mr Obeida, driving down a dusty track that had been cheerfully signposted as leading to a canoeing centre, but that quickly brought us up against the fence of a Hizbollah fighters’ camp…..
Washington Post’s David Ignatius: A war chest for Syria’s rebels
2012-10-18
Left on its current course, America’s sensibly cautious policy toward Syria is unfortunately going to come to an unhappy end: The jihadist wing of the opposition will just get stronger and gain more power to shape Syria’s future. But what’s …
Terrorists in the Orchard: Al-Qaeda Regrouping On Outskirts of Baghdad
Sources inside the Iraqi government say that extremist Sunni Muslim groups like al-Qaeda are regrouping inside the country. A government paper says they’re returning to former strongholds on Baghdad’s outskirts to hold meetings and train in orchards there. By Haider Najm / Baghdad
Comments (379)
Syrian Natonalist Party said:
“..He partially absolved the Justice and Development Party”
The deceivers and con men always pick up these deceptive names to gloss over the economic and military disasters hey end up with.
A military coup to remove these stooges / front for the New York shadowy group directing them as if they own Turkey is past due.
October 18th, 2012, 12:54 pm
Albo said:
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia has been heavily involved in efforts to fortify the Syrian rebellion with the aim of undercutting its regional adversary, Iran. Though Saudi Arabia can see the risk to the region of having Syria remain in a prolonged state of civil war, it also does not want to see a broader understanding between Washington and Tehran develop out of the Syrian crisis, an understanding that could strain the U.S.-Saudi relationship. If negotiations gain traction in the coming months, Saudi Arabia may end up being more of a spoiler than a facilitator.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/turkeys-challenge-and-syrian-negotiation
I read about this constantly, that one day the US might ditch Saudi Arabia and strike a deal with the Islamic Republic of Iran. Stratfor has been arguing for a long time that the Nuclear program isn’t really worrying the US, their main concern is the balance of power in the Persian Gulf right now, a balance that has been altered by the war in Iraq.
All those sanctions and threats would be meant as a way to weaken Iran’s bargaining power over any futur “understanding”
October 18th, 2012, 1:02 pm
Majed97 said:
Reconciling Islamic laws with freedom and democracy is impossible. Muslims must choose…they just can’t have it both ways…
From BBC:
Turkey tries pianist Fazil Say for insulting Islam
World-famous Turkish pianist Fazil Say has appeared in court in Istanbul charged with inciting hatred and insulting the values of Muslims.
He is being prosecuted over tweets he wrote mocking radical Muslims, in a case which has rekindled concern about religious influence in the country.
Mr Say, who denies the charges, said recently he was “amazed” at having to appear before judges.
Rejecting an acquittal call, the court adjourned the case until 18 February.
Prosecutors brought the charges against Mr Say in June. He faces a maximum sentence of 18 months in prison although correspondents say any sentence is likely to be suspended.
The indictment against him cites some of his tweets from April, including one where he says: “I am not sure if you have also realised it, but if there’s a louse, a non-entity, a lowlife, a thief or a fool, it’s always an Islamist.”
Dozens of the pianist’s supporters gathered outside the courthouse with banners, one of which called on the ruling Islamist-based AK Party to “leave the artists alone”.
Mr Say has played with the New York Philharmonic, the Berlin Symphony Orchestra and others, and has served as a cultural ambassador for the EU.
Egemen Bagis, Turkey’s minister in charge of relations with the EU, suggested the case against him should be dismissed, saying the court should regard his tweets as being within “his right to babble”.
However, Mr Bagis also criticised the pianist for “insulting people’s faith and values”.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19990943#
October 18th, 2012, 1:13 pm
Aldendeshe said:
You want to know whose Erdogan really working for, for sure not Turkey’s interests, he takes his orders from a New York based shadowy group that is sinking fast and are EXPOSED. He is part of this group you hear about in this video, watch it to the end, and understand what is really going on beyond the mercenary’s wars:
October 18th, 2012, 1:13 pm
Syrian Natonalist Party said:
Reconciling Islamic laws with freedom and democracy is impossible. Muslims must choose…they just can’t have it both ways…
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Reconciling Islamic believes with the Zionist State of Israel is beyond impossible, it is a hoax and a fraud. You cannot be a devout Moslem, you cannot be a Moslem period, and express your support and Love to Zionists who murdered more than 4 million Moslems, sent another 6 millions into refugee camps, rule oppressively over millions of Moslems. But when you are MUNAFEK, and know your Moslems are brainless idiots that lack normal human intelligence, you can get away with it.
Check this Moslem that I can say having no Honor and No Dignity, his whore house chief ( some Mosque Imam) tried to fool us, just last week, with a bombastic speeches, we all knew he was KHABITH and HAKIR.
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LEAVE ALLAH AND ISLAM FROM YOUR ZIONIST SERVICE. FIND ANOTHER TAKIYYA, LIKE JUSTICE AND DEVELOPMENT PARTY.
October 18th, 2012, 1:30 pm
Uzair8 said:
207. Visitor
I didn’t mention the name or provide a link as I thought it wasn’t necessary to personalise it and it would feel like intrusion. It was significant enough (in the context of the syrian situation) to point out to others.
It was tweets in early October and ever since. It’s not easy digging up older tweets but I’ve found one or two.
I’m not sure If it’s a good idea to share the link(s) but give me some time to think about it or find another way.
October 18th, 2012, 1:34 pm
zoo said:
#2 Albo
I agree with you. The common Iranian is much more sympathetic to the USA than it is to Turkey or any Arab countries.
The Iran government is not, for the good reason that the USA historically always interfered in internal affairs of Iran in order to control it and its enormous ressources.
Iran has seen that control during the Shah period and Iraq would have been the same, if the new government was not close to Iran and made sure that the USA leaves.
The USA is also associated with breaking the genuine emergence of a secular democracy in Iran with Mossadeq in the 1950’s. At that time, the USA preferred the military authoritarian and corrupted Shah to a democracy that may have threaten their regional interests.
It will take time for the USA to be forgiven and the present actions they are doing to change the regime in Iran does not build the trust needed.
Yet, the USA is increasingly perceived as weaker and less capable of harming seriously Iran, therefore there is a chance that ultimately the countries will find an arrangement, as they share many interests.
October 18th, 2012, 1:55 pm
zoo said:
The Drones Are Coming to Libya
Along with an unprecedented expansion of the president’s power.
By Eric Posner|Posted Wednesday, Oct. 17, 2012, at 1:56 PM ET
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/view_from_chicago/2012/10/drones_attacks_in_libya_an_unprecedented_expansion_of_presidential_power.html
After the attack on American diplomats in Benghazi last month, President Obama vowed to hunt down the killers and bring them to justice. There is a good chance that this means that they will be incinerated by missiles fired from drones. If so, the United States will have used drones to kill members of al-Qaida and affiliated groups in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and Libya—six countries in just a few years. Mali may take its turn as the seventh. This startlingly fast spread of drone warfare signifies a revolution in foreign affairs. And, for good or for ill, in an unprecedented way it has transformed the U.S. presidency into the most powerful national office in at least half a century.
October 18th, 2012, 1:58 pm
zoo said:
The Libya Lie
It’s not just the blame-the-video narrative. The whole Libyan success story is false.
By Victor Davis Hanson
October 18, 2012 12:00 A.M.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/330778/libya-lie-victor-davis-hanson
Almost everything we have been told about Libya over the last two years is untrue.
A free Libya was supposed to be proof of President Obama’s enlightened “reset” Middle East policy. When insurgency broke out there, the United States joined France and Great Britain in bombing Moammar Qaddafi out of power — and supposedly empowering a democratic Arab Spring regime. Not a single American life was lost.
Libyans, like most in the Arab world, were supposed to appreciate the new, enlightened American foreign policy. Obama’s June 2009 Cairo speech had praised Islam and apologized for the West. A new “lead from behind” multilateralism was said to have superseded George W. Bush’s neo-imperialist interventions of the past.
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What the Obama administration could not concede was the truth: The lead-from-behind intervention in Libya had proved a blueprint for nothing. Libya had descended into chaos. Radical Islam had either subverted or hijacked the Arab Spring. Al-Qaeda was not dismantled by the death of bin Laden or by the stepped-up drone assassination missions in Pakistan. Egypt was becoming Islamist. Syria was a bloody mess. Iran was on the way to becoming nuclear. Obama had won America no more good will in the Middle East than had prior presidents.
In other words, the administration’s entire experience in Libya — and in most of the Middle East in general — has been a bright and shining lie.
October 18th, 2012, 2:00 pm
syrain said:
2 Albo said
“All those sanctions and threats would be meant as a way to weaken Iran’s bargaining power over any futur “understanding””
Exactlty . Bashar and Nassar Allah are only playing cards for the Persain.
Hafez used Iran and Naser Allah . while Bashar let him self be used by them,
The syrians Can thank God or their lucky stars if you wish for Bashar
October 18th, 2012, 2:02 pm
zoo said:
How to provide to the rebels their long shopping list…
By David Ignatius – October 18, 2012
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/18/a_war_chest_for_syrias_rebels_115817.html
If the U.S. helped coordinate funding, the Free Syrian Army would have several advantages: A better organized opposition might defeat the regime, it would be better able to govern a post-Assad Syria, and it could help the U.S. control Syria’s chemical weapons. That’s a trifecta — three good things in one.
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Syrian jihadist battalions continue to raise their own money directly from wealthy Saudis, Kuwaitis and Qataris. The report to the State Department explains how this works. “The battalion rep or commander travels to Turkey, where he meets Gulf individuals or Syrians who live in the Gulf. The battalion presents ‘projects’ that need sponsorship, for example: targeting a checkpoint costs $20-30K, while targeting an airport cost $200-300K. … A video taping … is required to provide evidence of the operation.
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How can the U.S. break this downward cycle? The right next step is to gather into one pot all the official contributions, lethal and nonlethal, from the U.S. and its Arab and European allies. Then let the Free Syrian Army commanders distribute the money and weapons to fighters, in ways that will build discipline.
The Free Syrian Army has a long shopping list. It claims “minimum” needs for 1,000 rocket-propelled grenades to attack tanks, 500 SAM-7 surface-to-air missiles to destroy Syrian helicopters and jets, 750 machine guns, 50,000 gas masks, 250 vehicles. Commanders claimed they are forming special units that would operate the anti-aircraft missiles, perhaps under supervision by contractors from the Gulf countries.
You don’t have to sign off on this whole war chest to agree that it’s time for the U.S. to experiment with strategies that could produce something other than the bad outcome that’s now ahead.
October 18th, 2012, 2:04 pm
areal said:
RIP Maya
http://syriancommando.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/maya-naser/#comments
by syriancommando , a “former user on SC” still going strong , not “seems to be giving up” .
https://twitter.com/syriancommando
October 18th, 2012, 2:14 pm
syrain said:
Any one know this old story about this one grave robber who after he died the villege people started to curse him for what he used to do, so when his son heard that he started robbing graves and put the a stick in the dead ( khazok, it must be an old story) so later the people of the villege started to say god bless the soul of the father.
Just like Hafez and Bashar ,
October 18th, 2012, 2:21 pm
Visitor said:
Syrain 10 & 13,
No.
father thug taught son thug to do exactly what to do.
Junior thug is acting verbatim from textbook father thug handed over to him.
Father thug would have done exactly the same if he is still around.
Father thug and all his offspring thugs must be cursed forever equally.
October 18th, 2012, 2:29 pm
Uzair8 said:
#204 continued.
Here are some links as requested to back up my observations in my comment (#204).
I go by my heart and my heart wasn’t comfortable about sharing, however, the following is already out there and accessible and is newsworthy in the context of my comment and the overall syrian situation. Also Areal #12 has made it easier.
http://twitter.com/syriancommando/status/253141574492499968
http://twitter.com/syriancommando/statuses/253795681507106817
October 18th, 2012, 2:35 pm
Syrain said:
14
It is just a folk story. Of course very few will bless the father soul,
It is about the son in compersion to the father
God curse them and their offsprings for eternaty
October 18th, 2012, 2:45 pm
Tara said:
UZAIR8
Syrian Commando’s opinion is not worth a penny. He embarassed himself when he was posting on SC.
October 18th, 2012, 2:47 pm
Visitor said:
15 Uzair8,
Following one’s heart is sometiems not a bad idea.
But to me, heart and mind are telling me it is that person’s prerogative not to expose him/herself on a public forum, even though the term public here is shrouded in a thick blanket of virual anonymity
Since, I do not follow twitter, I would never know who this SyrianCommando is, and if he posted here sometime ago I must have missed his comments. But I wanted the comment itself and wouldn’t care if it is made by this tweeter himself or someone else currently active on this board.
If you have the time and can dig that comment, kindly re-post the text without the monikor if that makes your heart feel better
October 18th, 2012, 3:04 pm
Uzair8 said:
#17 Tara
Normally yes.
However, when it comes to supporting the regime I have never seen him sound so defeatest. The normal bombastic and confidence facade has dropped. There is much more than the examples I gave.
I believe it’s significant. At the least one could exploit this for propaganda value and along with other indicators make a case that the regime is heading for collapse.
October 18th, 2012, 3:10 pm
Uzair8 said:
My response to Tara #17 went into moderation for some reason.
I’ll try again:
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#17 Tara
Normally yes.
However, when it comes to supporting the regime I have never seen him sound so defeatest. The normal bombastic and confident facade has dropped. There is much more than the examples I gave.
I believe it’s significant. At the least one could exploit this for propaganda value and along with other indicators make a case that the regime is heading for collapse.
October 18th, 2012, 3:17 pm
Uzair8 said:
#18 Visitor
The links in #15 may contain the relevant comments. Try checking the whole twitter conversation by scrolling down.
October 18th, 2012, 3:23 pm
Tara said:
Uzair8
Yes I agree. My relative, a loyalist, told me the same thing. There is a sense of defeat among loyalists in Damascus but not Boutbot and family who remained oblivious .
October 18th, 2012, 3:23 pm
Uzair8 said:
Related to what we were talking about. An update from a few minutes ago:
CitizenGeo
Relayed from #Tartous || People are more convinced now that they can’t win this war. They are fed up with all the mess #Syria
http://yallasouriya.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/citizengeo-relayed-from-tartous-people-are-more/
October 18th, 2012, 3:32 pm
Very worried said:
Hi everyone,
Please forgive me if this is not the right place to ask, but I couldn’t really find a better place elsewhere. It’s also the first time I visit this website.
A couple of days ago, my cousin in Syria was arrested by the Syrian security forces for no obvious reason. He was driving in a friends car when they got stopped at a checkpoint, where they arrested him and two of his friends. Since then noone has heard anything of him or his case, why he was arrested or why they haven’t released him yet. He is only 20 years old, and has not done anything “wrong” in the sense of being active in the uprising or anything else for that matter. He’s just a normal guy minding his own business.
Since I’ve only been in Syria a couple of times when visiting relatives I’m not familiar at all with their security system, nor how this “kidnapping” works. So I’m asking you, if anyone knows anything about this, or has some experience in this situation, please give us some advice. His father can’t stop his tears and is really not in shape to do anything right now. Is there anything we could do to try to get him out? Should one try to contact Amnesty or other human rights organizations? Or is this case just one among so many that they wont take it seriously? Can one buy him out? What is the usual period in detention, days? Weeks? Years? Do they eventually contact family members to give them information of the prisoner or should one just count on hearing nothing from them?
All advice is appreciated!
October 18th, 2012, 3:39 pm
Adam Neira said:
“International peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi said on Thursday that a temporary ceasefire he has called for in Syria could form the basis for a real truce in the war-torn country.”
I hope this is the case. Prayers for Syria.
October 18th, 2012, 4:16 pm
Citizen said:
The best way to stop the fighting is for the US to STOP COVERTLY PROVIDING WEAPONS TO THE HIRED MERCENARY ARMY!
US State Dept: ‘Considering No-Fly Zone over Syria’! USS Enterprise moves into Med
U.S. still undecided on no-fly zone for Syria
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2012/Oct-18/191830-us-still-undecided-on-no-fly-zone-for-syria.ashx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#axzz29e6c2jgw
October 18th, 2012, 4:18 pm
Aldendeshe said:
They blocked Youtube. If that video is removed, there are copies of it and much more saved, upload all back.
October 18th, 2012, 4:24 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Guys, what are we discussing now? Does it make any sense? Aleppo, Maarra, Daraa, Deir, Idleb and many more do not exist anymore. 30,000 to 100.000 syrians have gone with Assad killing and hatred machine. Assad is ready to die and rebels must help him. Come on, one more push and we will be free.
Poor, rural and pious, which is the contrary of (Noveau) Rich, urban and kafer.
In the previous months before the revolution we used to joke everytime we arrived in Damascus and Aleppo saying ¨Fi kafr ktir¨ to justify the extremely hot summers we had last years before the Revolution. We came from the rural area and the feelling of stolen money, bribery and organized criminality all around Damascus was something shared by many more I used to imagine then.
October 18th, 2012, 5:03 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Assad lies, crimes and ¨reformist¨ intentions have been crystal clearly exposed.
Congratulations Assad II of Syria, The Criminal, The Last, also known as Doctor Death. You were a great reformist and terrorist did not allow you to fulfill your brilliant programs.
Where are all those fascists, criminal, party members defending methods used by this Nazi style system, the more similar to israelis? Where are they now? Hiding in Dubai? or even in US with their foreign passports? Dogs, you stole and fled the country with the money stolen from the people of Syria.
Al ´aama indharabak ya hayawan !!!
October 18th, 2012, 5:12 pm
areal said:
@Syriancommando wrote 114573 tweets in 2 years.
Certainly , his comments were not all pertinent and very elaborate due to the shortness of the messages on Twitter.
He has 3339 followers . ( +7 on average each day )
Twitter is a great source of raw facts if you know how to choose your sources and “average” them.
Also , there is something called “market capitulation” which is always a sign of a bottom in prices before the prices will move up again.
The problem with capitulation is that it is very difficult to forecast and identify. There is no magical price at which capitulation takes place. Often, investors will only agree in hindsight as to when the market actually capitulated.
October 18th, 2012, 5:44 pm
areal said:
Poor, rural and pious
In Aleppo, there are greedy , smugglers ( with Turkey) , Islamists.
Middlemen , warlords , arm dealers made very large fortune by channeling the funds given by the Gulf backers to their “Swiss” bank accounts.
One dollar for the fighters , one hundred dollars for their “Swiss” account.
Obviously , Swiss accounts is only a generic term , there are more appropriate countries and financial circuits in such case.
October 18th, 2012, 6:06 pm
Hamoudeh al-Halabi said:
Some of the Syrian Revolution’s Most Impressive Demonstrations
http://freehalab.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/some-of-the-syrian-revolutions-most-impressive-demonstrations/
October 18th, 2012, 6:26 pm
Tara said:
This is sad. I thought that Syrian Shiite have distances themselves fro the Assad regime. I thought wrong. You befriend and neighbor all these multiple ethnicities and sects only to betray you at your weakest moment, and not only cheer your slaughter but participate in it.
In Syria, Sunni rebels besiege Shiite villages
By HAMZA HENDAWI | Associated Press – 2 hrs 47 mins ago
BEYANON, Syria (AP) — Anyone who dares try to slip out of the Shiite villages of Zahraa and Nubl is risking their life. Sunni rebel snipers outside are ready to gun them down. Roads out are blocked with barricades and checkpoints. Twice a day government helicopters bring residents supplies in a crucial lifeline.
For more than three months, Syria’s rebels have imposed a smothering siege on the villages, home to around 35,000 people, which they say are a den of pro-regime gunmen who have shelled, killed and kidnapped Sunnis from nearby villages.
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Zahraa and Nubl make up a small pocket of Shiites, largely Assad loyalists, in the overwhelmingly Sunni region of the north in Aleppo province. The siege has its roots in months of tensions between the two sides since the Sunni-led revolt against Assad began in March 2011. Sunnis in the area say pro-regime gunmen known as Shabiha operated from the two villages, attacking nearby towns as they rose up against Assad. The violence fueled a cycle of tit-for-tat killings and kidnappings and tore apart the social fabric between the sects.
http://news.yahoo.com/syria-sunni-rebels-besiege-shiite-villages-193533327.html
October 18th, 2012, 6:36 pm
Darryl said:
Dear Visitor, many thanks for the previous response and I am sorry to have sent it so late in the day. Here is another question, hopefully it will not be too late for you.
Allah in His book Surat Al Israa (17) Verse 9 says the Qur’an is the guidance towards righteousness. But Allah continues in verse 16 and Says when He wanted to destroy people, He would make the rich go astray to give Him reason to destroy these people. Allah continues as if He is boasting about how He destroyed people in verse 17.
Why doesn’t Allah invoke His word “Be” to to make people righteous instead of making them do evil things to justify destruction especially when He sent down the book to guide them?
Moreover, how do we deal with all of this when Allah says He is the best deceiver in Surat Al-Imran (3) verse 54?
October 18th, 2012, 6:47 pm
Visitor said:
Dear Darryl 32,
I will try to respond to you sometime when it is more appropriate.
But, in the meantime, can I ask you if you have access to any reputable Interpretation sources? And if yes can you cite this (these) source(s)? I am asking for reputable Muslim scholars who are recognized by the Muslims at large. This is not to be interpreted by you or anyone as a derogation for non-Muslims with regards to such misconceptions as to they being unable to decipher the Holy Book. It is purely technical and has to do with the language itself, particularly classical Arabic. many nowaday Arabs, Muslims and non-Muslims, are not well versed in that kind of Arabic. In fact they would easily fail in Classical Arabic 101.
October 18th, 2012, 7:20 pm
Darryl said:
Dear Visitor, I do not have any interpretation books in my hand but I know Ibn Kathir is available on the web. But I rely on my understanding of the Arabic language and words I do not know I use an Arabic dictionary. Sometimes, I may rely on the english translations of the Qur’an by various sources if I have no other means to see what the original Arabic is trying to say.
But I try to read and understand what Allah is saying as I frankly do not like to rely on too many sources as the best source for me is the Qur’an since the original Muslims during the Messenger’s time did not have interpretations and they seem to have understood the message.
October 18th, 2012, 7:45 pm
zoo said:
“The SNC killed the revolution in the womb”
Syria: turning back the clock on the Arab Spring
http://www.opendemocracy.net/ahmad-barqawi/syria-turning-back-clock-on-arab-spring
Whatever genuine grievances and demands for political reform the Syrian people might have had a year and half ago were trodden underfoot by this stampeding sectarian drive that the Syrian opposition itself worked so hard to foster among its own supporters.
Perhaps one of the most inglorious accomplishments of the western-backed/Gulf-funded Syrian opposition is that it has – and over the course of mere months – managed to inflict such a colossal, irreparable damage to the Syrian people’s future prospects of having a real, homegrown and genuine uprising to bring about positive change in their own country.
Thanks to the devious Syrian National Council and the crazed Free Syrian Army; the term ‘revolution’ has sadly lost its worth and lustre for a sizable portion of the Syrian populace and in the Arab world in general, as it has become marred by abhorrent stigmas of sectarianism, religious fanaticism, succumbing to foreign agendas, subjugation of national integrity and social disintegration. We must concede to the SNC, the FSA and their western patrons their unrivalled ability in transforming what was essentially a flicker of hope into an entire landscape of desolation and ruin.
In the blink of an eye, the home country in which all Syrians coexisted peacefully and harmoniously together for decades became a place they do not even recognize; reciprocal kidnappings between rival tribes, sects, ethnicities and neighbourhoods have become the order of the day; makeshift illegal checkpoints manned by pundits and warring militias have popped up all over Syrian cities; where ID cards could easily get unfortunate passersby killed on the spot, the country’s normally amicable population has been driven headfirst into a horrible cycle of killings and reprisal killings, torture and summary executions, and Mount Kassioun, a once picturesque and vibrant touristic site that overlooks Damascus has become a strategic vantagepoint for rocket launchers and artillery barrage.
Most of those dire consequences trace straight back to the Syrian National Council’s doorstep; by handing the fate of the Syrian uprising lock stock and barrel over to the unreliable hands of Hillary Clinton and her deep-pocketed coterie of Gulf despots; they have nearly completely nullified whatever credibility the rebellion might have enjoyed when it was born on the streets of Dera’a. It ceased to be a matter of local dissent against a brute dictatorship any more; it quickly morphed into this disastrous foreign-induced coup d’état – complete with mad covert and overt military operations and intelligence work.
Not only did the Syrian opposition manage to effectively kill the Syrian revolution in the womb by alienating vast sectors of the public from joining the uprising; but they have willingly chosen to systematically sectarianise Syrian society by sowing the seeds of intolerance and confessional discord. Right from the word go; the entire Alawite population was criminalized outright and deemed guilty by “sectarian association” to president Bashar Al-Assad. Mass branding them as “Shabiha” (pro government guns-for-hire) was nothing more than a cheap albeit racist ploy to justify the prosecution of entire Alawite communities and soften the sting of any possible criticism that might arise in response to the FSA’s criminal practices against innocent civilians.
Al Jazeera (especially the more vulgar Arabic branch of the Qatari-funded news network) was – and still is – a major instrument in furthering this deadly stereotype;
October 18th, 2012, 8:06 pm
zoo said:
Tara
You are right.
The Syrian Shias, Christians, Alawites, Kurds and a large portion of Sunnis are “traitors” because they don’t not support the hordes of Sunni Islamists militants, Libyan foreign fighters, CIA advisors, Al Qaeeda operators and criminals fed by Turkey and Qatar who are going to bring justice, freedom and build lots of malls in a country they would have destroyed.
The victory is nearing, you should rejoice that you won’t need to go back there for years to come.
October 18th, 2012, 8:17 pm
zoo said:
Qatar France “love” affair: football and rich hotels
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/qatars-french-love-affair-consummated-with-football.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32710&NewsCatID=364
According to sources, on the table was a three-way deal: Qatar would acquire Paris St Germain (football club)and step up its already substantial investments in France; Platini, a member of world football body FIFA’s executive committee whose son has reportedly since gone on to be legal advisor to Qatar Sports Investment, would vote in favor of Qatar’s bid to host the 2022 World Cup; and Qatar’s state-owned Al Jazeera television network would have an opportunity to buy a stake in France’s Ligue 1 broadcast rights.
To cement the relationship, the French Parliament passed a bill in 2009 that granted a capital gains tax exemption to Qatari companies on property they own in France. An appendix to the bill stresses the “very strong” and “privileged” relations between France and Qatar, based on “the wish of the Qataris to diversify their alliances and their partnerships so as not to depend exclusively on the United States.”
Qatari holdings in France include real estate properties as well as the investment of millions of euros into the promotion of economic activity in France’s depressed suburbs through small and medium-sized enterprises. It also includes sponsorship of France’s most famous horse race Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe, the acquisition of PSG and the club’s 100 million euro sponsorship deal with Qatar National Bank as well as investments in major French companies.
In an interview with Al-Monitor, Qatar’s ambassador to France Mohamed Al Kuwari explained Qatar’s interest in France, saying “you invest in France, you build partnerships and you go elsewhere, to Africa, to Asia. We are looking for strong partners like Total, Vinci, Veolia.” He also said that France, like Qatar, “has an independent policy and plays an important role in the world, diplomatically and politically.”
October 18th, 2012, 8:27 pm
Ghufran said:
I am surprised the title was not faced with a fierce opposition by people who think otherwise because if you believe that the concept was true it means that a LOT of Syrians are not in: poor and rural alawis are still pro regime and well to do sunnis are still on the fence or,in the case of Aleppo at least, are still supporting the regime. We need to accept the truth if we want to move forward,the country is being destroyed and for the rebels to finish the army ,and armed Syrians who support the regime ,they will have to burn the rest of the country,to save what is left of Syria Assad needs to leave and those fanatics have to be rounded and forced out, winning this bloody battle is a mirage.
October 18th, 2012, 8:29 pm
Syrian said:
Today 233 died 44 civilians from air strikes on Mar’Rt Aln’aman, these pilots will be brought to justice
On a different note the helicopter pilot which was evaporated yesterday name was Amjad Khalil Suliman from a the town of khalyh out side Jeblah, his funeral is tomorrow, but don’t expect a coffin, he was evaporated to hell with the plane
October 18th, 2012, 8:33 pm
Ghufran said:
(ISTANBUL) — A top Turkish pianist and composer appeared in court on Thursday to defend himself against charges of offending Muslims and insulting Islam in comments he made on Twitter.
Fazil Say, who has played with the New York Philharmonic, the Berlin Symphony Orchestra and others, is on trial for sending tweets that included one in April that joked about a call to prayer that lasted only 22 seconds.
Say tweeted: ‘Why such haste? Have you got a mistress waiting or a raki on the table?’ Raki is a traditional alcoholic drink made with aniseed. Islam forbids alcohol and many Islamists consider the remarks unacceptable.
Prosecutors in June charged Say with inciting hatred and public enmity, and with insulting “religious values.” He faces a maximum 18 months prison term, although any sentence is likely to be suspended.
Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/10/18/turkish-pianist-on-trial-for-insulting-islam/#ixzz29hUXmbMn
October 18th, 2012, 8:34 pm
Johannes de Silentio said:
From a rebel to a shopkeeper crying over his trashed shelves, “Go back home, uncle.”
I like that…
October 18th, 2012, 8:35 pm
zoo said:
Erdogan is ready to broker discussions on Syria with Russia, Iran, Egypt and KSA through ‘three’ compatible groups
Turkey changes tack on Syria
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-changes-tack-on-syria.aspx?pageID=449&nID=32739&NewsCatID=416
Erdo?an told reporters later in Ankara that the discussion had centered on Syria. He said there was a need for Turkey, Iran, Egypt and Saudi Arabia to discuss Syria, but that Saudi Arabia did not want to sit down with Iran.
Because of this, Erdo?an said they proposed a set of “triple mechanisms” to be set up, with one bringing Turkey, Egypt and Iran together to discuss Syria, the second Turkey, Russia and Iran, and the third Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
This represents a significant shift in position by Ankara, of course. It was no more than a few months ago that Ankara looked coolly on any discussion on Syria which involved Russia and Iran due to their unconditional backing of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
But having failed to “internationalize” the Syrian problem, as it wanted, Ankara seems now to be inclined to “regionalizing” the problem, aiming for a settlement that involves key regional players.
Erdo?an also said they had agreed with Ahmadinejad to try and secure a cease-fire in Syria for the duration of the upcoming Feast of the Sacrifice holiday, which will be celebrated across the Islamic world. If they are successful, this will be the first positive result of cooperation between Ankara and Tehran on Syria.
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Cooperation, rather than confrontation, between regional powers could break the deadlock. These are countries, after all, that are directly affected by the Syrian conflict. Remaining at odds over Syria will simply prolong the crisis by turning it into a proxy war.
If, however, the proposed set of “triple mechanisms” works, this will also put Turkey back on stage as a proactive player aiming for stability in the Middle East, rather than being a player that inclines toward sectarian, and therefore ultimately divisive, preferences.
October 18th, 2012, 8:35 pm
Johannes de Silentio said:
39. Syrian
“helicopter pilot who was evaporated yesterday”
Milk gets evaporated. People, if they are blown to bits, get vaporized. Learn the lingo, Dude,
October 18th, 2012, 8:40 pm
Ghufran said:
The State Department said Muhsin al-Fadhli and his deputy Adel Radi Saqr al-Wahabi al-Harbi had helped “facilitate the movement of funds and operatives through Iran on behalf of the al-Qaeda terrorist network.”
“Al-Qaeda elements in Iran, led by Fadhli, are working to move fighters and money through Turkey to support al-Qaeda-affiliated elements in Syria,” the department said in a statement.
“Fadhli also is leveraging his extensive network of Kuwaiti jihadist donors to send money to Syria via Turkey.”
Fadhli, 31, was among the few al-Qaeda leaders who was given advance notice that the group planned to strike the United States on September 11, 2001.
October 18th, 2012, 8:42 pm
Tara said:
Zoo,
Please read
https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=16442&cp=2#comment-331729
The crux of the article is:
“Syrians must reciprocally acknowledge and validate their tangled historical memories. He warns Syrians against negating each others’ pain and the wounds of each others’ ancestors – wounds which remain fresh even today, years afterward. The rebuilding of intersectarian trust is contingent upon this process of acknowledgment and validation.
Let us not pretend we are living as one happy family because we are simply not. You just can’t deny that no human being is capable of inflicting the brutality that shabeehat al Assad inflicted on the Syrian people without being fed hatred from early childhood. This resulted from historical wounds that were never discussed, acknowledged, or validated. The Sunnis now is suffering from terrible wounds too. And unless their current suffering at the hand of shabeehat al Assad is acknowledged and validated, they are destined to fall into a vicious cycle of revenge too similar to what the Alawis, Shiaa, etc, inflicted on them and so on…
Don’t get upset when this comes up. The slaughter of the Syrian at the hands of minorities must be acknowledged and validated if a real reconciliation is to take place.
October 18th, 2012, 8:47 pm
Syrain said:
41. JOHANNES DE SILENTIO said:
“Milk gets evaporated. People, if they are blown to bits, get vaporized. Learn the lingo, Dude,”
Watch the video of the helicopter exploding and keep in mind that almost 70%of the piolte body is liquid
:http://youtu.be/n6ROT9zIJ9s
You will see it is more evoprating than vaporizing
October 18th, 2012, 9:10 pm
Visitor said:
A comment with no comment:
SANA reported today that Assad approved a law on genetically modified foods in order to preserve health of human beings, animals, vegetables and the environment.
October 18th, 2012, 9:19 pm
Ghufran said:
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/heat-seeking-missiles-in-syria-the-sa-7-in-action-with-rebels/?ref=middleeast
Now they are shooting down Syrian jets, tomorrow they will shoot down other nations’ jets and possibly infidels civilian planes, Syria may become the Arab version of Afghanistan.
October 18th, 2012, 9:25 pm
Aldendeshe said:
Milk gets condensed, water and lighter elements gets evaporated, and solid objects get vaporized.
October 18th, 2012, 9:30 pm
Syrian said:
49Al
But when all the barrels filled with about a ton of high explosives exploded in the face of Amjad Suliman the piolte .would you say he was evporated or vaporized ?
October 18th, 2012, 9:46 pm
Observer said:
THis is what Ghufran wrote
The State Department said Muhsin al-Fadhli and his deputy Adel Radi Saqr al-Wahabi al-Harbi had helped “facilitate the movement of funds and operatives through Iran on behalf of the al-Qaeda terrorist network.”
“Al-Qaeda elements in Iran, led by Fadhli, are working to move fighters and money through Turkey to support al-Qaeda-affiliated elements in Syria,” the department said in a statement.
“Fadhli also is leveraging his extensive network of Kuwaiti jihadist donors to send money to Syria via Turkey.”
Fadhli, 31, was among the few al-Qaeda leaders who was given advance notice that the group planned to strike the United States on September 11, 2001.
So am I to understand that
1. Iran is helping channel jihadists to Syria?
2. Jihadists are getting through despite Iran
3. Iran is channeling them so they get killed?
4. Iran is a bystander and does not know of the existence of these people?
5. Part of Iran is not under the control of the regime?
I am confused so please explain to me.
Visitor the post of course does not any comment.
Thanks for telling us. I did see it on SANA and laughed out loud.
ZOO you Prethident has approved your genomically modified food and environment.
October 18th, 2012, 9:48 pm
Aldendeshe said:
The State Department said Muhsin al-Fadhli and his deputy Adel Radi Saqr al-Wahabi al-Harbi had helped “facilitate the movement of funds and operatives through Iran on behalf of the al-Qaeda terrorist network.”
Fadhli, 31, was among the few al-Qaeda leaders who was given advance notice that the group planned to strike the United States on September 11, 2001.
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Bogus crap, Junk Disinformation Fadhli is a Jew, working for Mossad or Zionist Jews!!! Did Larry Silverstein gave him advanced notice, or the Israelis at Urban Moving and Storage Front company the ones placed the demolition charges in the towers did. Stop insulting our intelligence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2A8VMg_B64
October 18th, 2012, 9:49 pm
Visitor said:
OK, how about sublimation and melting for solids?
And evaporation for liquids?
And how about condensation and deposition for gases?
And freezing for liquids?
Looks like professor idiot @43 needs to work harder on vocabulary. Hey 43 be careful of getting ionized.
I gave Dendeshe and Syrain thumbs up.
October 18th, 2012, 10:07 pm
zoo said:
Tara
Yes, this so called “revolution” is all about the explosion of a variety of revengeful feelings favored by the Arab Spring…
Vengeance of the “oppressed” Sunnis on the Alawis that the Sunnis have oppressed for decades.
Vengeance of the poor rural people on the city riches
Vengeance of Islamists Sunnis against the ‘heretics’ Alawis
Vengeance of Hama repression where Sunnis Islamist were killed
Don’t talk to me about ideals of reforms, dignity and justice.
October 18th, 2012, 10:09 pm
Ghufran said:
I will post what is left of the video showing armed rebels mutilating the body of a Syrian pilot after his helicopter was shot down in Idleb, later, the ” heros” cut his head and posed with pride.
October 18th, 2012, 10:10 pm
Ghufran said:
http://www.light-dark.net/vb/showthread.php?p=1040201801
YouTube was probably asked by a “concerned” rebel to delete the video but what is left of it is bad enough.
October 18th, 2012, 10:24 pm
Syrian Natonalist Party said:
Fadhli, 31, was among the few al-Qaeda leaders who was given advance notice that the group planned to strike the United States on September 11, 2001.
________________________________________________________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLshHKKMFI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNuKAdGlxFo
October 18th, 2012, 10:25 pm
habib said:
31. Tara
Aha. So everyone who doesn’t embrace fanatical foreign Salafists is a Shabiha and therefore fair game.
I get it. Behead them all!
And as for the retards who keep yelling that “Assad has killed 30.000 civilians”. By all accounts, the dead are from both sides of the conflict, killed by either side, and a large part are Syrian soldiers or insurgents.
October 18th, 2012, 11:05 pm
Aldendeshe said:
The typical talking points of ZIONIST FITNA PLOTTERS.
The satanic cabals who are in fact financing and training the so called Islamic terrorists from Tunisia to Syria, Erdogan, Qatari thug and Zionist Saud’s are all part of this world wide demonic, satanic worshipping cabals. The truth is none of these fighters is Moslem no more than the Moslem Brotherhood, MUNAFEKEEN, who kisses the hand of Zionist in Israel for the support they receive, and they are brain dead Zionist helpers after destroying the Islamic nation states and delivering all to the Zionist Genocide Cabal.
Let’s examine all 4 FITNA talking points:
1 “……….Vengeance of the “oppressed” Sunnis on the Alawis that the Sunnis have oppressed for decades….”
GARBAGE 1: Alawites never oppressed by Sunni’s. That was stated by SNP in many comments before and by me in great details. Zionists rely on human attention span and shallow thinkers, assume, it is the next page of comments so it is all forgotten. I am not repeating what said before. Foreigners are not of my concern whatsoever. Only Bashar Assad is of concern to me and the Syrians that are not brainwashed by Jews and the media they control. Sunni’s were the majority of the rank and file of the 2 million Baathist ruling party. Sunni brought the Baath and Alawaites to power, after they overthrew a legally elected parliament and President on March 8, 1963.
2 “…….Vengeance of the poor rural people on the city riches…”
GARBAGE 2: Poor, rural people are the main beneficiaries of Baathist rule, and all the Socialist programs the Baath party introduced. City riches were robbed and rural riches were robbed of everything they owned and were given by the Baathist to the poor rural GRATIS, for free. I mean all, land, homes, industries, education, and health, even employments is state owned socialist enterprises.
3 “……Vengeance of Islamists Sunnis against the ‘heretics’ Alawis…”
GARBAGE 3: Why Sunnis are not against Egyptian-Israeli alliance? Israel expelled 4 million Moslem Palestinians out of their land and occupied the second most holy city for Moslems, Jerusalem. It treats the remaining 3 million Moslem worse than animals treated in most of the world. Iran, does not occupy any Moslem country, it never expelled a single Moslem from his home or land. Why Sunnis are not seeking vengeance at Moslem Arabs, especially Saudis Jews (Wahabi’s), for supporting 2 wars against a Moslem Iraq, causing the death of 3 million Moslems? Why are they not seeking vengeance against heretic Jews in Arabia that financed the war and occupation against Sunni Moslem country of Afghanistan? Killed hundredth of thousands of Sunni Moslems by Christian Crusaders came from all over the world.
4 “………Vengeance of Hama repression where Sunnis Islamist were killed…”
GARBAGE 4: Why Moslems are not seeking vengeance against those people and countries that perpetrated the 9/11 attack and blamed it on 19 Moslem hijackers? Why Moslems not seeking vengeance against heretic Wahabi’s who financed a U.S. war machine for 20 years, killing 4 million Sunni Moslems and destroying 2 Sunni Moslem countries, in addition to supporting the Zionist regime.
There is no need to answer why, we know why; because Moslems are from the start were a tool of Zionism and part of the Zionist plan to serve in this exact timeframe. They are MUNAFEKKEN and JUFFAR, who worship Al Dajjal of Najd, not the god of heaven.
I pray that Bashar Assad will drop Baathism and defeat the Moslem Munafkeen; I pray that his Excellency will decimate them bastards, even if t means rebuilding Syria from aches. Them son’s of inequities and dastardly deeds, let their god be cursed and be dammed, for his none other than the devil and they are his servants.
October 18th, 2012, 11:51 pm
Visitor said:
Dear Darryl 41,
You said,
“Why doesn’t Allah invoke His word “Be” to to make people righteous instead of making them do evil things to justify destruction especially when He sent down the book to guide them?”
There is one false premise in the above, and as I pointed out in my earlier reply a misunderstanding due to faulty interpretation:
1) False premise has to do with your question. This whole existence is Allah’s domain. You and me and the rest of creation are only allowed in this domain by His Will and nothing else. Does any entity in this case have the right to demand that the Absolute Owner of the domain do things according to its wishes? Of course Allah can invoke the word as you said and things will happen as you may expect but that is up to Him. Your question is similar to a question you made in a previous inquiry when you conflated Allah’s Power to create with human pro-creation. They are both Manifestations of His Ultimate Power but how and which one happen is completely up to Him.
2) Interpretation is false. Please read it again in this English translation,
http://quran.com/17
As you can see, Allah’s command here is for obedience and not to do evil things. But despite His command, the wicked continue to disobey justifying any course of action. So Allah may destroy or delay punishment or even forgive altogether, because the verse begins by If We wish…
You see Allah Glory to Him is not and cannot be a dictator!!! He sent the guidance but it is up to you to be guided.
Now for your last inquire, you said,
“Moreover, how do we deal with all of this when Allah says He is the best deceiver in Surat Al-Imran (3) verse 54?”
Again, your interpretation or whoever made that interpretation is false. Please read it again in this translation,
http://quran.com/3
The difference between ‘plan’ and ‘deceive’ is like day and night to say the least.
October 19th, 2012, 12:13 am
Aldendeshe said:
The sourat said God is the best of planners, not deceiver. It said others, wicked ones make deceptive plans, but GOD make the best counter plan, in effect that what it means, that is not deception, that is counter plan for the decievers.
October 19th, 2012, 12:25 am
zoo said:
The Sinai has become Sinaistan
Egypt: Sinai jihadists planning attack on Israel
18/10/2012
By Yousri Mohamed
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31502
El-Arish, Asharq Al-Awsat – Egyptian security sources revealed that a number of Sinai-based jihadists had completely disappeared, increasing the likelihood of a retaliatory strike being carried out against Israel following the killing of two prominent Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip last week. The Egyptian security source also informed Asharq Al-Awsat that Cairo was in the possession of information confirming the presence of a terrorist sleeper cell in hiding in the mountains of the Sinai Peninsula, adding this sleeper cell was awaiting “zero hour” to launch their retaliatory attack.
October 19th, 2012, 1:08 am
zoo said:
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Be warned, it is a barbaric view. Nothing to be proud of.
Just shame.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuew3o_yyyyyy-yyyyy-yyyy-yyyy-yyy-yyyy-yyyy-yyyyyy-yyy-yyyyy-18_news#from=embediframe
October 19th, 2012, 1:24 am
Johannes de Silentio said:
46. Syrain
“Watch the video of the helicopter exploding and keep in mind that almost 70% of the pilot’s body is liquid”
Look, Syrain. When a native speaker corrects you, take him at his word. Evaporate doesn’t work here. It has a different sense. And the fact that 10 of your friends gave you a thumbs-up indicates there’s more ignorance of English on this blog than I thought.
Oh well, ignorance is bliss, as a wise man once said.
October 19th, 2012, 1:27 am
zoo said:
#53 Observer
“I am confused”
Finally you admit it. First step to recovery.
October 19th, 2012, 1:31 am
Syrian said:
54. ZOO said:
Tara
“Don’t talk to me”
How rude is that a way to talk to a lady?
October 19th, 2012, 1:58 am
Syrain said:
….
October 19th, 2012, 2:23 am
Syrain said:
64. JOHANNES DE SILENTIO said
“Look, Syrain. When a native speaker corrects you, take him at his word. Evaporate doesn’t work here. It has a different sense”
For a silento man you sure do talk a lot of none sense, this site is not about English language, it is about the war on Syria, and when you only pick from a comment talking about 233 innocent people got slaughtered yesterday in the worst way imaginable a word and started to lecture about it, it only shows that you have a lot more to learn yourself.!
October 19th, 2012, 2:26 am
Syrian said:
63. ZOO said:
?????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ????? +”18″
So you do watch videos after all,but when Tara asked you to watch the savage beating to death of the Alhamar family you refused by saying you dont watch videos any more bla bla
So now watch this vedio of that beating and tell us what you think or you are nothing but a hypocrite
http://youtu.be/NVfwUxJX8Ik
October 19th, 2012, 2:59 am
Citizen said:
Insight into the events that led up to NATO intervention in Libya, On 17 May 2011 the International Criminal Court issued a request for an arrest warrant against Gaddafi for crimes against humanity. Some believe it is about protecting civilians, others say it is about oil, but some are convinced intervention in Libya is all about Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency made from gold, a true sharing of the wealth.
“It’s one of these things that you have to plan almost in secret, because as soon as you say you’re going to change over from the dollar to something else, you’re going to be targeted,” says Ministry of Peace founder Dr James Thring. “There were two
conferences on this, in 1986 and 2000, organized by Gaddafi. Everybody was interested, most countries in Africa were keen.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hhJyFxoUuQ
Do you get sick of this western atrocities?
October 19th, 2012, 4:01 am
Altair said:
I must say that, 19 months into the revolution, rebellion or whatever one wishes to call it, I’m still in a state of semi-shock about what is happening in Syria.
Semi- because I believe I saw it coming. I just didn’t know when. The flaws of the system, the repression, the “We can do to you average citizen whatever we want to do” attitude of the mukhabarat were bound to go too far, and eventually everything would come crashing down. That’s what’s happening now. Imagine if those fools in Der’a didn’t torture those kids.
In 400 years of Ottoman rule, the historical antiquities of Syria were very well preserved. The French bombarded Damascus and damaged a significant part of it (to this day, I don’t know why Syria never asked for reparations).
But in 19 months, Syrians have damaged Syria far more, and killed more people. There are up to 3 million refugees now, as well as the 20- to 30-thousand dead. I often wonder what the culprits are thinking, and believe me I think there are criminals on both sides. But saying there are criminals on both sides is like saying there are criminals on both sides of the Israel Palestine conflict. The bigger criminals are on the Israeli side. And so it is with the government.
Why is this government acting like a government of occupation? Since when are air forces used against one’s own population? What’s gone wrong?
One may answer that, well, they are faced with a do or die struggle. But did their own actions not make it that way?
I truly believed at one time that President Bashar was a civilized man. What made him go this far? So this is the choice: “Keep me in power, or the country is finished as a country”? Is that the basis of any government?
There are many questions and precious few answers. I read and read and still find few answers. And particularly on this forum, I wish people wouldn’t have petty squabbles. Write something worth reading, not just to argue with some other member of the forum. Have a discussion, not an insult fest.
Anyway, I digress. I ask the above questions not rhetorically. I’d like answers. But above all, how will we resolve this mess? Every month the problem gets worse. The outside world seems content to watch the Syrians destroy each other, at least for the time being. Look how long Bosnia took: 3 years or more of destruction and murder and it was never truly resolved, and that was nearly in the middle of Europe.
Syrians have to talk again. If they want to save the country, they must. There must be a way to end this conflict without completely destroying the country.
October 19th, 2012, 7:33 am
Observer said:
Habib wrote
And as for the retards who keep yelling that “Assad has killed 30.000 civilians”. By all accounts, the dead are from both sides of the conflict, killed by either side, and a large part are Syrian soldiers or insurgents.
It is utter stupidity to think that Freddo is NOT responsible for the death of more than 30 000 and the kidnapping of more than 28 000 and the destruction of 80% of the city of Homs and the forced emigration of hundreds of thousands externally and millions internally.
Freddo and the mafia regime chose to use force from the very beginning and had no intention of any reform or compromise or sharing of power or any modicum of compromise.
Yes Halabi he is responsible for sending his troops to an unjust unethical unconstitutional and illegal repression of a once peaceful revolution.
ZOO you really do not get it. I was being sarcastic about your all powerful and omniscient and infallible Wilayat Al Fagih run Iran.
I guess when one is an adoring fan raptured by the bold look of determination behind Jim Maui or Ray Ban glasses it dims your intelligence to that of a loyal unquestioning moon struck dim wit.
Again, the regime has blinked and is actually the one that is more in favor of a cease fire to allow some respite for the exhausted troops.
For HA to use rocket launchers to help this loser is a clear sign of desperation.
Cheers
October 19th, 2012, 7:44 am
zoo said:
70. Syrian
I know you do and enjoy them, but I don’t watch this kind of videos.
October 19th, 2012, 8:27 am
zoo said:
Tara
I am sorry that I could not convey the tone with the sentence.. It was not rude, just friendly and a bit impatient
October 19th, 2012, 8:29 am
zoo said:
Observer
“It is EVEN MORE stupid to think that THE ARMED REBELS, their AL QAEDA allies and their TURKISH and QATAR weapons providers and ACCOMPLICES are is NOT responsible for the death of more than 30 000 and the kidnapping of more than 28 000 and the destruction of 80% of the city of Homs and the forced emigration of hundreds of thousands externally and millions internally.”
October 19th, 2012, 8:34 am
zoo said:
Many analysts thought that the Arab Spring stumbled in Syria and Bahrain and lost its momentum to spread in other Arab countries, thus bypassing the Arab family monarchies from a similar wave.
What the analysts missed is that the Arab Spring gave wings to the Moslem Brotherhood, boosted by their success in Egypt, Tunisia and Libya and heftily financed by Qatar. They plan to transform the Arab Spring into a Moslem Brotherhood storm
The Jordanian spring has begun
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/19/jordanian-spring-has-begun
The need for genuine reform is clear, and the opposition has chosen to remain on the streets until it is achieved
Zaki Bani Rashid
guardian.co.uk, Friday 19 October 2012 09.00 BST .
October 19th, 2012, 8:50 am
Jasmine said:
Chaos is spreading to Lebanon
http://www.bbd.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20006389.
October 19th, 2012, 8:52 am
Tara said:
Zoo,
😉
October 19th, 2012, 8:56 am
Visitor said:
The final hours of the criminal thug, giraffe-necked, nazi-like agent of Satan,
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/19/244699.html
Assad no longer trusts Syrians with his protection. Iranians are now in charge of protecting their new-found slave mullah-goon of Damascus.
Where is Maher and his presidential guard?
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Syrain,
Did Maher 30% sublimate and 70% evaporate? Or is he perhaps completely ionized?
I gave you the thumbs up because you brought that video which showed a remarkable event combining all the physical transformations in one shot.
I gave Dendeshe the thumbs up because he put what you wanted to say in perspective.
I gave the Native Indian thumbs down not because he is native or Indian but because he is an idiot.
October 19th, 2012, 9:04 am
zoo said:
Putin: Headscarf yes, Hijab no
Putin backs secular values after school bans hijabs
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/putin-backs-secular-values-after-school-bans-hijabs.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32774&NewsCatID=353
October 19th, 2012, 9:07 am
zoo said:
Revisiting the Qardaha Shooting and its impact on the Alawites
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/tensions-among-alawites-pose-new-challenge-for-assad/2012/10/17/e5e51af6-1881-11e2-a346-f24efc680b8d_story.html
Syria scholar Joshua Landis, who maintains close contact with the community through his Alawite wife, says the gun battle occurred only because Osman insulted Mohammed al-Assad, known locally as the “Sheik of the Mountain” for his role as the Assad family’s premier enforcer in the town. An e-mail from a relative in the area described how Bashar al-Assad intervened in the dispute, calmed tempers and restored order, said Landis, a professor of political science at the University of Oklahoma.
The country relies on citizen militias for basic security, but do they have too much autonomy and power?
Mohammed al-Saleh, an Alawite activist in Syria, said the fight was over the lucrative smuggling trade in cigarettes, weapons and other contraband that has thrived among the coastal Alawite clans under the Assad family rule. Attempts to read more into the incident are “nonsense,” he said
..
A split within the ruling family would “be totally new, a paradigm shift” in the narrative of Syria’s revolt, he said.
“I don’t believe it’s happening,” he said. “But it’s clear there’s a dynamic in Qardaha that is not in favor of Assad. There’s just so many tensions.”
…
The government has not released casualty figures for its security forces, but if the widely touted number of at least 10,000 Alawite deaths is true, it would mean that Alawite loyalists are dying at a greater rate than Sunnis.
October 19th, 2012, 9:16 am
Tara said:
Rebels ready for conditional ceasefire
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/oct/19/syria-brahimi-ceasefire-plan-damascus-live#block-50811c5758f96784ee290723
Senior rebels leaders claim they are ready to start a ceasefire during the Eid al-Adha holiday, as set out by international envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, but only if several conditions are met first.
The joint command for military and revolutionary councils, which is now said to be commanding Free Syrian Army forces on the ground, set out its terms in a video statement sent to al-Jazeera.
Now Lebanon says the rebels demand the release of political detainees “particularly women” and a lifting of the blockade on Homs.
They also called for humanitarian access to Homs “under international supervision.”
October 19th, 2012, 9:18 am
Tara said:
Defiance in Maarat al-Numan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/oct/19/syria-brahimi-ceasefire-plan-damascus-live#block-5081261bc0e343ef1abc7ca6
October 19th, 2012, 9:19 am
Jasmine said:
Very sad news
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20006389
October 19th, 2012, 9:34 am
zoo said:
83. Tara said:
“Rebels ready for conditional ceasefire”
They know they can’t respect a ceasefire, so they put impossible conditions.
Who are these ‘rebels leaders’ anyway? Do they talk on the name of the Islamist terrorists and the foreign fighters too?
October 19th, 2012, 10:06 am
Tara said:
Zoo
The statement was issued by the joint command for the military and revolutionary council. I doubt they have that much influence on the Jihadists.
October 19th, 2012, 10:31 am
zoo said:
#87 Taa
That’s what I mean. They have no way to guarantee the ceasefire and they know it. Their declaration is hot air.
October 19th, 2012, 11:07 am
Dawoud said:
Yes, Syria’s anti-dictator revolutionaries are getting stronger and stronger and that’s why the regime’s downfall is a matter of when NOT if! Sooner or later, the etire Ayatollahistan’s (Iran’s) Revolutionary Gaurds and Hizbillat’s shabiha will NOT be adequate to saving the murderous regime.
Today’s bombing in E. Beirut is a manifestation that Hasan Nasrillat and Bashar al-Assad are utilizing their best tactic: bombing and killing.
Free Syria, Free Palestine, Bahrain is Arab Forever!
October 19th, 2012, 11:07 am
Tara said:
Zoo,
I personally do not favor cease fire unless it is to regroup, reorganize, and to re-supply. Batta is stuck to the chair and will only be removed by force. Having said that, I acknowledge that it is easier to say this living in the US than living in Syria in the crosshairs.
The talks about a political solution is only rhetorical. Bashar is willing to kill all Syriansf for the chair and we all know it.
October 19th, 2012, 11:33 am
Uzair8 said:
Here is a scenario.
The regime decided to escalate it’s attacks and increasingly resorted to a campaighn of indiscriminate shelling and bombing (incl. barrel bombs). The idea being to bludgeon the syrian people into submission in the belief that at some point the people would become fed up and give up. This would be followed up by a staged de-defection which would open the floodgates to de-defections and the population turning against the rebels.
Well it didn’t work. It seems the staged de-defection was premature and a sign of impatience and desperation. More work needed to be done on the people (a few more months of bludgeoning). Perhaps the regime, knowing it’s true state, didn’t think it had time on it’s side.
October 19th, 2012, 11:46 am
Citizen said:
Iraq blocks 128 Turkish buses headed for Saudi
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/iraq-blocks-128-turkish-buses-headed-for-saudi-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32746&NewsCatID=352
October 19th, 2012, 11:56 am
Citizen said:
Turkey “Admits” Russian Air Cargo Legal
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/143993/turkey-admits-russian-air-cargo-legal-.html
October 19th, 2012, 11:57 am
Warren said:
Syrian workers brutally assaulted in motorbike raid
Six Syrian workers were brutally assaulted at midnight Wednesday in Beirut’s Wata Msaytbeh by assailants riding motorbikes and wielding knives, according to Lebanon’s National News Agency.
Abdel Latif Khalaf, Abdel Hamid Khalaf, Ammar al-Alawi, Ahmad al-Ezz, Abdallah al-Hassan, and Kamal Shahoud were taken to Rafik Hariri hospital where they were considered to be in critical condition.
Lebanese police reportedly arrested six Lebanese and one Palestinian alleged to be behind Wednesday’s attack. They were holding cleavers and other sharp objects suspected to have inflicted wounds found on the workers.
The suspects are being questioned by police and will be identified by suspects, the NNA said.
The incident is the latest in a wave of violent attacks on migrant workers this month; the Lebanese media has been awash with reports of a series army-orchestrated raids on apartments housing male workers, prompting advocacy group Human Rights Watch to call on the judiciary to investigate and prosecute officials behind the raids.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syrian-workers-brutally-assaulted-motorbike-raid
October 19th, 2012, 12:05 pm
Visitor said:
The target of the Beirut explosion is the head of ISF in Lebanon. He was killed in the explosion,
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/19/244697.html
October 19th, 2012, 12:07 pm
Warren said:
Zionist Embrace of the Muslim Brotherhood: It’s All About the Treaty
To take Zionist statements at face value is to ignore the long history of Zionist duplicity, deception, and double talk. This is a movement (from the first Basel declaration in 1897 to the Balfour Declaration and their aftermath) that consistently masked its aim and camouflaged its objectives.
Zionists have a long history of lying: to their enemies and to their friends. In the early days of the 1967 war, the Israeli government initially informed the White House that Egypt had struck first. This is a movement that has no qualms in fabricating and inventing and distorting to serve its goal of aggression and occupation. But enough about truisms.
Western Zionists have complained for years about the Muslim Brotherhood. American Zionists – who have great powers in determining which Arabs or Muslims the US government can talk to – were behind the famous legal pledge by Henry Kissinger, later made into law by the US Congress, which banned any contacts by the US with any “member” of the PLO – whatever that means.
It was futile to reason with the Americans that there is no such thing as membership in the PLO, but the history of rabid anti-communist discourse and legal terms dominated Zionist minds. The Zionists basically succeeded in banning contact with Palestinians, except those who collaborate with Israel and who kill and murder on behalf of the state of Israel. (This remains to be case: Palestinian collaborators are paraded before TV cameras in the US, and even those who murder other Palestinians are invited to speak about their repentance and their discovery of the virtues of Zionism.)
http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/angry-corner/zionist-embrace-muslim-brotherhood-it%E2%80%99s-all-about-treaty
October 19th, 2012, 12:15 pm
Warren said:
British gang of Muslims waging war in Syria ‘pose threat to UK’
The Security Services have reportedly identified the young man, who has not been named, as the leader the gang of more than 50 men who have waged a holy war against President Bashar al-Assad.
The man, who is his 20s and believed to be from a Bangladeshi family, is regarded as a high-ranking officer in an international group of terrorists devoted to bringing down the regime, the Times reported.
According to the paper, the man, who is from London, is believed to be a pious individual involved in military training for “raw” British recruits, who mostly live in the capital.
The jihadis, who said to have volunteered to the cause, include “hardened” Chechen fighters and crossed into Syria over the border from Iraq or Turkey.
The newspaper claimed that Scotland Yard had seized computers and mobile phones from addresses in Britain linked to the men with the material being “urgently” analysed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9616640/British-gang-of-Muslims-waging-war-in-Syria-pose-threat-to-UK.html
October 19th, 2012, 12:20 pm
Warren said:
Toronto mother’s throat slit for letting children adopt Canadian culture, court hears in alleged honour killing trial
Randjida Khairi was stabbed five times in her chest and back. She had her throat cut, a wound so ugly and deep that it sliced through her neck muscles, voicebox and windpipe — stopping only at her spine.
She was stabbed with two different knives. She drowned in her own blood; a process a pathologist would later determine took between five and 10 minutes. Police discovered Ms. Khairi’s body lying on a bloody cot in her family home, a 16th floor apartment in the northwest corner of Toronto, otherwise all tidy and neat, with a kitchen full of pots.
The victim was the mother of six. The victim was married to her killer for 30 years
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/10/toronto-mothers-throat-slit-after-drifting-from-afghan-culture-jury-hears-in-alleged-honour-killing-trial/
October 19th, 2012, 12:23 pm
Warren said:
Battle For Syria: View from the Frontline! (English subtitles)
War has been raging in Syria for a year and a half. An endless series of special operations, victories and retreats, a struggle between government forces and an armed opposition that takes place both with weapons on the ground and on the TV screen.
Even seemingly unimportant local battles are being discussed far abroad because the result of this war will impact not only the future of Syria. The situation here is splitting the world in half. This undoubtedly is another internal conflict with global consequences.
Our film crew has spent 2 months on the frontline with the soldiers of Syrian army and civilians trying to answer these hard questions:
Who is the Syrian army fighting?
What is the armed opposition fighting for?
And why are there so many interested parties in this conflict?
This film was made in field conditions to better tell the story of what’s happening here.
October 19th, 2012, 12:26 pm
Citizen said:
Moscow to watch investigation on arms supplies to Syria – FM
MOSCOW, October 18 (Itar-Tass) — Moscow will watch the investigation on arms supplies to the Syrian opposition through the Turkish port of Iskenderun, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said on Thursday.
“Reports have been confirmed that weapons were supplied to the Syrian opposition aboard a Libyan ship through the Turkish port of Iskenderun,” Lukashevich said. “We believe that the U.N. Sanctions Committee should thoroughly study the incident and take measures in order to avoid the violation of sanctions in the future,” the diplomat stressed.
At the same time, Lukashevich said he is satisfied with the fact that the U.N. Security Council Sanctions Committee “has started taking corresponding steps in this aspect. We will watch the investigation”.
http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c154/549460.html
October 19th, 2012, 12:30 pm
zoo said:
Tara
An example of the “unity” of the armed rebels.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/oct/19/syria-brahimi-ceasefire-plan-damascus-live
Rebel Syrian commander rejects ceasefire
A senior commander in the Free Syrian Army says rebels will not sign a truce with the Assad regime and will ignore any attempt to do so.
“Brahimi’s proposal for a truce is still born,” staff colonel Ahmad Fahd al-Nimah, commander of the military council in Deraa, told the Guardian.
He said was suspicious of the international envoy’s proposal and has refused to meet him.
..
For now Brahimi is just wasting time. His project does not have any hope.
Even if [exiled Free Syrian Army leader] Riad al-Asaad accepts the truce, we will not. We will continue to fight.
Riad represents himself but we represent the joint military command. We represent those fighting on the ground in Syria. No one outside Syria can tell us what to do.
It is completely impossible and impractical to implement a truce on the ground.
Another one:
Maarat al-Numan commander rejects ceasefire
Abd al-Razzaq Haddad, commander of al-Sadiq Brigade of rebel fighters in the strategic battleground of Maarat al-Numan, has no interest in a ceasefire for Eid al-Adha. He spoke via Skype earlier today with our colleague Mona Mahmood
..
We will never stop the fight for a single minute if it is Eid or not Eid. But if I get an order from Riyadh al-Assad, I will stop.
We have not discussed the subject of the truce at all within the command yet, as we do not care about it.
October 19th, 2012, 12:30 pm
zoo said:
Tara
Who is ‘we all’ ?
“we all know it.”
October 19th, 2012, 12:51 pm
zoo said:
A sinister comedy in Libya exposes the weakness of the NATO ‘liberated’ country and the danger it falls into the hands of Islamists.
Suspect in Benghazi attack, in plain sight, scoffs at U.S.
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
New York Times News Service
Oct 18 2012
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55110322-68/abu-khattala-attack-libya.html.csp
Benghazi, Libya • Just days after President Barack Obama vowed to hunt down and bring to justice those responsible for the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound here, Ahmed Abu Khattala — one of those considered a ringleader — spent two leisurely hours Thursday evening at a luxury hotel full of journalists, relaxed in a red fez and sandals, sipping mango juice on a patio overlooking the Mediterranean and scoffing at the threats coming from both the American and Libyan governments.
Libya’s fledgling national army was a “national chicken,” Abu Khattala said, using an Arabic rhyme. Asked who should take responsibility for apprehending the mission’s attackers, he chuckled at the weakness of the Libyan authorities. And he accused U.S. leaders of “playing with the emotions of the American people” and “using the consulate attack just to gather votes for their elections.”
October 19th, 2012, 1:00 pm
zoo said:
Egypt goes neo-ottoman
Turkey & Egypt seek alliance amid upheaval of Arab Spring
By Tim Arango
THE NEW YORK TIMES
October 19, 2012
http://tech.mit.edu/V132/N46/long2.html
ISTANBUL — With war on Turkey’s borders, and political and economic troubles in Egypt, the two countries have turned to each other for support, looking to build an alliance that could represent a significant geopolitical shift in the Middle East prompted by the Arab Spring, uniting two countries with regional ambitions each headed by parties with roots in political Islam.
Egypt and Turkey are considering plans to lift visa restrictions and recently completed joint naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea. Turkey has offered a host of measures to bolster Egypt’s economy, including a $2 billion aid package. There is even talk of Turkey’s helping Egypt to restore its Ottoman-era buildings. A wider-ranging partnership is expected to be announced in the coming weeks when the Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whose party shares an Islamist pedigree with Egypt’s leadership, goes to Cairo.
October 19th, 2012, 1:02 pm
Citizen said:
Implosion of Syria Myths a ‘Nervous Breakdown’ for US, Allies
http://tipggita32.wordpress.com/2012/10/19/implosion-of-syria-myths-a-nervous-breakdown-for-us-allies/
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“‘The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,’ said one American official familiar with the outlines of those findings, commenting on an operation that in American eyes has increasingly gone awry.”
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“That conclusion, of which President Obama and other senior officials are aware from classified assessments…casts into doubt whether the White House’s strategy of minimal and indirect intervention in the Syrian conflict is accomplishing its intended purpose of helping a democratic-minded opposition topple an oppressive government, or is instead sowing the seeds of future insurgencies hostile to the United States.”
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“Not everybody in the street was fighting for freedom. You have different components, you have extremists, religious extremists…like-minded people of Al Qaeda… [F]rom the very first few weeks we had those terrorists they are getting more and more aggressive, they have been killing. We have 1,000– over 1,100 soldiers and policeman killed, who killed them? peaceful demonstrators? This is not logical.”
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“The West and Gulf states must not give finance to armed insurrectionists who are sectarian terrorists, most of whom are from al-Qaeda, according to a report presented to the German parliament. … They bring terror, destruction, fear and nobody protects the civilians. [There were] very few Syrians among the rebels. …Mercenaries should go home.”
October 19th, 2012, 1:17 pm
Warren said:
Man charged over UK photographer kidnap appears in court
17 October 2012 Last updated at 16:24 Help A 26-year-old man charged with the kidnap of a British photographer in Syria has been remanded in custody after appearing in court.
Shajul Islam is accused of imprisoning the British photographer and a Dutch journalist against their will.
Kevin Keane reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19977388
October 19th, 2012, 1:18 pm
Citizen said:
Fire erupts in Jordanian mall, roof collapses
Plumes of smoke have been seen rising from the City Mall shopping centre, in the Jordanian capital of Amman. The Associated Press initially reported an explosion but then said the ceiling of the mall has collapsed following a fire. No official figures on the number of dead or injured have been released.
http://rt.com/news/line/
October 19th, 2012, 1:23 pm
Citizen said:
The first US troops are arriving in Israel today, part of a build-up for what officials are calling the single largest joint US-Israeli military exercise in history, a drill that will last three weeks and include 3,500 US troops in Israel and Europe.
Officials say the drill aims at preparing a multi-front defense against mortar fire, short and long range missiles. The drill was initially planned for earlier this year, but was postponed because of “regional instability.”
At the time the drill was being couched as preparing for a possible Iranian retaliation to an Israeli attack, and there was a belief that the postponement was meant to show US opposition to Israel’s initial ambition to start the war ahead of the US presidential election.
It isn’t clear, however, how “regional instability” is any less of a factor now than it was in January, and if anything regional tensions seem to be worsening as neighboring Syria implodes in an ugly civil war. Still, with military drills more a diplomatic than a strategic matter, the timing may not be so significant.
October 19th, 2012, 1:38 pm
Warren said:
US vetoes UN condemnation of Israeli settlements
The Obama administration wielded its first veto at the UN security council last night in a move to swipe down a resolution condemning Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
The US stood alone among the 15 members of the security council in failing to condemn the resumption of settlement building that has caused a serious rift between the Israeli government and the Palestinian authority and derailed attempts to kick-start the peace process. The Palestinians have made clear that they will not return to the negotiating table until Israel suspends settlement building in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.
The decision placed the US in a controversial position at a time when it is already struggling to define its strategy in a tumultuous Middle East.
The 14 member countries backing the Arab-drafted resolution included Britain and France.
The US ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice, said the decision to use the veto power – open to the five permanent members of the UN, of which the US is one – “should not be misunderstood to mean we support settlement activity”.
She said Washington’s view was that the Israeli settlements lacked legitimacy, but added: “Unfortunately, this draft resolution risks hardening the positions of both sides and could encourage the parties to stay out of negotiations.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/19/us-veto-israel-settlement
October 19th, 2012, 1:49 pm
Warren said:
Israel must end illegal settlement construction – Moscow
The Russian Foreign Ministry is concerned over Israeli plans to build more homes in East Jerusalem as an impediment to resuming Palestinian-Israeli negotiations, says a report posted on the ministry Web site.
“Israeli homes built on occupied lands, including in East Jerusalem, poison the atmosphere of the already complex relations between Palestinians and Israelis, and create additional impediments to resuming substantive negotiations,” says a report posted on the ministry website on Friday.
Settlement construction on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem are illegal under international law, the ministry stressed, adding the construction calls into question the establishment of a viable Palestinian state and “must stop fully and immediately.”
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has signaled his intention to dramatically boost Israeli settlement construction in the occupied West Bank.
A commission of lawyers appointed by Netanyahu concluded in June that Israel’s 45-year presence in the West Bank “did not amount to occupation,” thus paving the way for the legalization of unauthorized settlements.
The United States, Israel’s main ally on the international stage, also condemned the findings of the report.
Some fear that Netanyahu will accept the findings and attempt to retrospectively legalize scores of settlement “outposts” in the West Bank that were built without prior authorization.
Meanwhile, with international attention increasingly focused on developments in other parts of the Middle East, specifically in Syria, where rebel militants are fighting against the government of President Bashar al-Assad, observers fear that the Israeli-Palestinian situation is being neglected.
http://rt.com/politics/moscow-israel-palestinians-settlement-ban-809/
October 19th, 2012, 1:50 pm
syrain said:
73. zoo said:
70. Syrian
“I know you do and enjoy them, but I don’t watch this kind of videos.”
I never claimed like you that I don’t watch them,
what exposed you with your side kick the self proclaimed neutral, is ANN has stopped posting for three days, so both of you for the 1st time started posting her videos after she took a break
So admit it, you watched that Alahmar massacre and all of Ann’s, and not just enjoyed them but propably had a nice dream afterword
October 19th, 2012, 2:08 pm
Citizen said:
Muslim alarm
Release from 10/17/2012
Innocent Muslims “- a film that adherents of Islam plunged into shock. The reaction of people for whom faith is above all, not long in coming: the murder of the ambassador, numerous fights, protest. Sectarian riots: who planted the bomb and the information to which can cause religious strife?
October 19th, 2012, 2:10 pm
areal said:
“Before our very eyes”
NATO packs it in; Turkey on the verge of a nervous breakdown
by Thierry Meyssan
http://www.voltairenet.org/article176266.html
The articles on Voltaire Network may be freely reproduced provided the source is cited, their integrity is respected and they are not used for commercial purposes
October 19th, 2012, 2:19 pm
areal said:
“Before our very eyes”
NATO packs it in; Turkey on the verge of a nervous breakdown
by Thierry Meyssan
http://www.voltairenet.org/article176266.html
On October 8, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CTSO) began maneuvers dubbed “Inviolable Fraternity” (“????????? ????????”). The scenario focuses on the deployment of a peace force in an imaginary country where international jihadists and terrorist organizations operate against a backdrop of ethnic and confessional divisions. The accredited diplomatic corps, which was invited to attend the exercises, listened attentively to the opening address of the deputy secretary general of the organization. He clearly indicated that the CTSO is preparing for an eventual intervention in the Greater Middle East. And for those feigning deafness, Nikolai Bordyuzha specified that his deputy was not speaking of Afghanistan.
The Geneva Declaration negotiated by Kofi Annan on June 30 foresaw the deployment of a peace force if the Syrian government and the opposition jointly made the demand. The Free Syrian Army rejected the accord. The term “opposition” refers only to the political parties who have been meeting since in Damascus, under the aupices of the Russian and Chinese ambassadors. As the Geneva Accord was validated by the Security Council, the deployment of the “blue chapkas” can be set in motion without requiring an ad hoc resolution. Valery Semerikov stated that 4,000 men had already been enlisted in the Peace Force with 46,000 others in the wings available for the rapid mobilization.
With this as background, the signs of Western retreat from Syria are multiplying. The influx of Western arms and combatants is drying up except for the ongoing transfers funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Even more surprising: on six successive occasions, the NATO Command at Incirlik gave jihadists instructions to regroup within specified zones to prepare for huge offensives. While the Syrian Arab Army, which was formed to confront the Israeli Army, may be ill-adapted for guerilla warfare, it is highly effective in conventional combat. In each of these engagements, it easily encircled and wiped out the assembled units of the Free Syrian Army. Though the initial defeats suffered by the jihadists could have been attributed to a tactical error or to an incompetent commander, after the sixth debacle another hypothesis must be considered: that NATO is willingly sending these combatants to their deaths.
October 19th, 2012, 2:24 pm
Citizen said:
CIA knew truth about Libya consulate attack within 24 hours
The CIA station chief in Libya reported to Washington within 24 hours that the deadly attack on the US consulate in Benghazi was possibly carried out by militants, not a spontaneous mob upset by an anti-Islamic film, US officials told the Associated Press. The Obama administration maintained publicly for a week that the September attack which claimed the life of US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was carried out by an angry mob. Obama’s response to the attack has become a highly contentious issue in the run-up to the November presidential election.
http://rt.com/news/line/2012-10-19/#id39237
October 19th, 2012, 2:28 pm
Atheist Syrian Salafist Against Dictatorships said:
@ Ghufran and Zoo # 56, 63
SO was this BEFORE or AFTER they put him through the meat grinder?
If the latter then those boys need to get themselves a real good quality Iranian made nuclear-powered sausage maker.
But as usual you guys left out the most important part of the whole story (as Mark Twain would have noted): DID THE DOGS GET THEIR FEED?
October 19th, 2012, 2:56 pm
Syrian Natonalist Party said:
US vetoes UN condemnation of Israeli settlements
The Obama administration wielded its first veto at the UN security council last night in a move to swipe down a resolution condemning Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory.
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Why would anyone be mad at Israel action or U.S. Veto, if Egyptian elected President, an ardent Moslem Brotherhood chief would not veto the Israeli action of adding settlements. Why would the U.S. veto be of any matter of concern, if Palestinian Authority made no attempt whatsoever at stopping the settlements, why would anyone should condemn U.S. veto of the resolution when Islamic Hamas is busy setting up Sex Slave trading routes,staging Amman stock market take over, rather than fighting Israeli action of taking more land in Jerusalem. If Palestinian don’t giva a dam, never made a noise about it, and Egyptians write these love letters to Israel President, saying in Mursi words:
???? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???????
????? ?????? ??????..
? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?? ?????
????? ?????
???? ????
PRESIDENT ASSAD, WE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. EXPELL ALL PALEOTHUGS OUT OF SYRIA AND LEBANON TO JORDAN. DON’T GIVE THESE MOSLEM LOW LIFE COWARDS FOOD, JUST GIVE THEM GUNS AND AMMO AND SEND THEM TO AMMON AND NABU(LUS). PLEASE SHUTS ALL THIER F******NG SLUMS, ISLAMIC WHORE HOUSES, AND SEX SALVE TRADE. SEND THEM ALL TO SODOM AND GAMORAH IN, WHERE ELSE, ISRAEL (ISIS< RA<EL)
We had enough of these human garbage for half a century, we spoiled them, housed them, we fed them, we clothed them and they lived in our cities like MOSLEM CATTLE. Not nly that,they raised gun in our faces and those of lebanese, ought us and worked with our enemies to conspire against us.
IT IS TIME TO CARE ABOUT SYRIA, SYRIANS AND SYRIANISM, F****K ARABS AND FAKE MOSLEM FILTH, STOOGES OF ZIONISM. ENOUGH MAN. SAVE YOURSELF AND SYRIA, KICK THE F****KERS OUT.
October 19th, 2012, 3:18 pm
Aldendeshe said:
The heads of the Arab League and the United Nations issued a joint call to Syria’s warring parties on Friday urging them to observe a ceasefire over the Eid al-Adha holiday on October 26 to 28.
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This 3 days High Holiday is called “Slaughter Fest”, I did not make that up, I did not call it such, Mohammad did, stole it from Zionist Jews who sacrificed for god. So why are you not keeping up in the holiday spirit? Save the four legged sheep’s, slaughter the two legged ones they are dumber and less valuable commercially. Treat them as NATO and Arabs treat them, expendables.
October 19th, 2012, 3:40 pm
Syrian Natonalist Party said:
A “Real Man” Not a bedouin Zionist stooge. A real Leader, the nation is blessed by his leadership and love for his country, it is a real BLESSING.
October 19th, 2012, 4:18 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
Once for all we all can see how Assad Mafia in cooperation with Hezballah Bastards commit terrorist acts against key outstanding personalities in Lebanon and hide their hand.
Some say look at who get beneffit and you will see who is the aithor of the crime.
Hassan committed suidice? Not likely, too many tones of Tnt.
Hezballah killed him? Why, he did not any harm to Assad or HA (try to forget the Samaha affair) the death of Hassan only harm HA and Assad….
Israel killed him? Of course, Israel did it to create HA a problem. Israel, who is not able to kill the Satan Nasrallah, is able to kill the cheif of the intelligence in Lebanon…
For a moment let´s imagine Israel did it, then Israel can but does not want to kill Nasrallah. So Israel, Assad and HA are all in the same side. They are cheating the arab street. Sepecially the mongols that follow them.
Now all Lebanon can clearly see how Assad and HA are the criminals. The sad thing is that for many lebanese being a criminal is not something bad but a sign of power and respect. What a disgrace.
October 19th, 2012, 5:50 pm
Syrain said:
Today so far 100 of the Human were lost.from Beasts side unknown numbers,they are known not to report on their loses
October 19th, 2012, 6:01 pm
Syrian said:
Ronni the pilot Basher’s look like tried to pass himself as a Human from the Christain branch but was found out
October 19th, 2012, 6:36 pm
Tara said:
Zoo@ 101,
Who is “we”?
You and me and everyone else. The minorities know that well deep down in their heart but they do not admit it. I am sure you too.
October 19th, 2012, 6:43 pm
Johannes de Silentio said:
116. Syrian Natonalist Party
“ISLAMIC WHORE HOUSES”
I like this concept. Burka babes in stiletto heels and fishnets reciting the x-rated verses from the Quran as they orgasm. VATTY’d get turned on over this.
October 19th, 2012, 6:48 pm
Tara said:
Zoo,
I am so saddened by the assassination of Wissam al Hassan. It is clear that Syria and HA did it to instill fear in the psych of the Lebanese people that anyone who dares to defy these criminAl entities will end up assassinated. You have no idea how much hate I feel towards those criminals Nasrallah and Batta. I wish they get abolished from the face of the earth. The mere thought of them makes me gag.
Where is God? How can he let evil reign so long like this?
October 19th, 2012, 6:52 pm
Johannes de Silentio said:
Lebanon should declare war on Syria. If she did so, she would have a hundred instant allies. Nobody (other than Iran and Hizbollah) likes Syria.
October 19th, 2012, 7:06 pm
Tara said:
The theme for the demonstration today was:
??????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???????
Mr. Ford, are you following?
More than 400 demonstration points reported in Syria today.
October 19th, 2012, 7:16 pm
Tara said:
??????? ?????? ??????????????. ?????? ????
Syria denounces ‘terrorist act’ in Beirut
Reporting on the explosion in Beirut, the Syrian government news agency includes a statement of condemnation from the information minister:
Meanwhile, information minister Omran al-Zoubi condemned the coward terrorist act, adding in a statement on Friday that “such terrorist acts are condemned and unjustifiable wherever they happen”.
October 19th, 2012, 7:30 pm
Aldendeshe said:
??????? ?????? ??????????????. ?????? ????
________________________________________________________________
Can you share with us the evidence you have, or you just accusing them without having any.
How do you know it was not the Zionist Cabal that robed Lebanon and killed Hariri that got rid of this liability, they are unloading dirt and cleaning up past track now. Remember, his alibi did not stick, he was the only one out that hour, despite the fact he is the security chief.
October 19th, 2012, 8:28 pm
Visitor said:
Dendeshe 128,
Do you still have that very revealing and inspiring pattern recognition video?
Is it possible to extrapolate that same remarkable logic in that video to other than geometric shapes? Or is it strictly limited to that?
The reason I am asking is because I have an acquaintance who keeps running into the same wall every time he backs up with his car towards that same wall?
I am suspecting a pattern in this guy’s driving habits.
I really want to watch that video again and also show it to this guy.
October 19th, 2012, 9:24 pm
Visitor said:
Is Mikati ready to go as this story says?
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2012/Oct-20/192099-mikati-ready-to-announce-his-resignation.ashx#axzz29nZvavIY
October 19th, 2012, 9:33 pm
zoo said:
#90 Tara
I disagree, I don’t buy the idea that Bashar al Assad is using his army and his loyalists to “keep his chair”. That’s an gross oversimplification.
Keeping the power is certainly one aspect but the present development in “Arab Springed” countries show that Bashar al Assad is actually fighting to keep Syria secular while the Islamists have used all the hatred and revenge many Syrians have against the system to try to make it another Moslem Brotherhood colony. Under such regime, minorities will be treated like second class citizens, like the Copts and the Shia in Egypt and worse they will be submitted to murders and harassment because they opposed that take over.
There are pages and pages many analysts write to analyze the situation. Making it black and white is OK for uneducated people, but not for us.
October 19th, 2012, 10:01 pm
zoo said:
Tara
Hariri from his luxuruous residence in Paris points to the usual suspect: Syria, while it is well known that the victim Brig. Gen. Wissam al-Hassan, head of the intelligence division of Lebanon’s domestic security has been involved in investigation about Salafists, Israeli spy rings as well as the case still unclear of Michel Samaha. Many groups want his head.
Any one who killed this guy knew very well that the suspicions will immediately fall on Syria and Hezbollah. Perfect crime with already designed suspects.
Too naive to be true.
October 19th, 2012, 10:07 pm
zoo said:
Tunisia secular vs Islamists troubles are just starting…
Tunisian opposition leader accuses Ennahda of ‘assassination’
Alice Fordham
Oct 20, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/africa/tunisian-opposition-leader-accuses-ennahda-of-assassination
TUNIS // A Tunisian opposition party leader claimed yesterday that one of its members was the victim of a calculated assassination carried out by the ruling Islamist party.
Lotfi Nakdh from the secular Call to Tunisia party was killed during violent clashes in the southern city of Tataouine on Thursday.
Although the cause of death is unconfirmed, the force of the response from the opposition highlights deepening political divides in Tunisia and pitches the embattled government further into a struggle between some of its Islamist supporters, secularists and those seen as remnants of the regime deposed by the revolution last year.
“I give my condolences to Ennahda because they have just killed someone from Tunisia, and there is nothing worse than death and killing,” thundered Beiji Caid Essebsi, the leader of the Call for Tunisia opposition party, and former prime minister, at a press conference. bis
October 19th, 2012, 10:15 pm
zoo said:
More conservative chief of the Moslem Brotherhood elected in Egypt
Katatni elected as Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood party chief
19/10/2012
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31513
CAIRO, (Reuters) – The Muslim Brotherhood’s political party, Egypt’s biggest, chose veteran conservative Saad al-Katatni as its new leader on Friday to replace Mohamed Mursi who went on to become his country’s first elected president.
Katatni, 61, a microbiologist who joined the Islamist movement in 1979, is seen as more conservative than his main challenger for the post, Essam el-Erian, and less ready to compromise with liberals and leftists.
October 19th, 2012, 10:22 pm
zoo said:
Libyan army bombing Ben Walid rebels: What about the civilians?
http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-chemical-weapons-nato-816/
Local media and twitter reports suggest the Libyan army has begun bombarding the former Gaddafi stronghold of Bani Walid in an attempt to restore order in the town.
The fighting erupted earlier this week after militias allied to the Libyan army reportedly shelled the hilltop town.
….
There are also unconfirmed reports that chemical weapons may have been used in the fighting.
…
“Gaddafi’s regime is reported to have stockpiled chemical weapons while in power so there is a possibility that there are still a lot of old chemical weapons floating about in Libya that might fall into rebel militia.” Although she added that she doubted that, “This stuff has been given to the official Libyan army and is being used against dissident populations.”
October 19th, 2012, 10:33 pm
Observer said:
ZOO wrote
Keeping the power is certainly one aspect but the present development in “Arab Springed” countries show that Bashar al Assad is actually fighting to keep Syria secular while the Islamists have used all the hatred and revenge many Syrians have against the system to try to make it another Moslem Brotherhood colony. Under such regime, minorities will be treated like second class citizens, like the Copts and the Shia in Egypt and worse they will be submitted to murders and harassment because they opposed that take over.
I love the delusion. The kids in Deraa were actually MB in disguise. They actually dressed as children and went to school and then decided to write on the walls.
Also when the Mayor of Hama told the people they can demonstrate provided that they do not attack the persona of the prethident and they came out close to 500 000 they were all MB that have been hiding in secret
Finally when the people of Homs demonstrating made videos of their “terrorist cells fighting with tubes launching eggplants” they were the MB comedy and theatre section.
The prethident is fighting for the minorities as otherwise they will be treated like second rate citizens and yet we have a desire to have a secular regime. We have had a secular regime for 50 years and yet when people ask for freedom accountability and justice they all of a sudden become Islamic salafists bent on forcing their way on the rest of the country. So the regime allies itself with……………. Mullahstan Iran the second theocracy after Israel in the ME whose first constitutional declaration is ” sovereignty belongs to God” not to man.
If it were not so cruel in what is happening in Syria this guy or girl is actually a perfect stooge for Saturday night live.
October 19th, 2012, 10:35 pm
Syrian Nationalist Party said:
Katatni, 61, a microbiologist who joined the Islamist movement in 1979, is seen as more conservative than his main challenger for the post, Essam el-Erian, and less ready to compromise with liberals and leftists.
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By conservative Moslem, you mean he is deeper in love with Zionist Israelis than light weight Morsi? He is more likely to compromise with them than Egypt Democracy advocates.
October 19th, 2012, 10:36 pm
zoo said:
Who Was Wissam Al-Hassan? Certainly not Eliot Ness.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/who-was-wissam-al-hassan
Brigadier general Wissam al-Hassan, killed Friday by a large explosion in Beirut’s Achrafieh district, was a top security official and a mysterious, controversial player in the Lebanese political-security arena since 2005.
…
A 2010 investigative piece published by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation reported that UN investigators scrutinized al-Hassan as a possible suspect in the Hariri assassination. The investigators considered his alibi to be “weak and inconsistent…[he is] a possible suspect in the Hariri murder.”
Hassan was head of late Prime Minister Rafik Hariri’s personal security team until Hariri’s assassination in 2005.
Al-Hassan said he was studying for an exam at the Lebanese University on the day of Hariri’s assassination, and therefore excused himself from tending to his bodyguard duties. Phone records showed that al-Hassan made 24 calls in the morning of the assassination, though he claimed he was studying.
….
October 19th, 2012, 10:40 pm
zoo said:
#137 Observer
Keep on building your TV serials dramas, you’ll be less confused than trying to analyze political events that seem to fly too high over your head.
October 19th, 2012, 10:45 pm
Syrain said:
???? ???? ????? ? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????
http://youtu.be/WFZ1fZtwXQY
October 19th, 2012, 10:45 pm
Observer said:
The plot thickens
So Wissam Hassan is assassinated in a massacre of innocent civilians along the way.
Here are my inquires
1. An unknown entity killed the guy not Syria nor HA. Yet it happened under the nose and in the presence of a government that is essentially a HA led coalition. So they are incompetent and have not been able to pre empt the assassination and therefore they have to take accountability for the failure
2. Israel did the deed and therefore indirectly got HA stuck with being either accused of doing it or of being incompetent in preventing it. How to prove that it is Israel may be very difficult as he was the one that dismantled more than several dozen Israeli networks of spying.
3. Syria did it without notifying HA. This is pretty bad when the ally you have been sending your troops to fight for does not tell you what he is up to. This is quite possible as the regime is now in desperation mode.
4. HA did it without telling Syria and this is most unlikely for they are not stupid by any stretch of the imagination
5. HA and Syria did it and I also think this is most unlikely as HA would not have allowed such stupidity.
Now it may not be important who did it what is important is who is going to be blamed for it.
The current government in Lebanon may or may not collapse. But clearly this is a major blow to HA. An assassination of one of its supposed opponents high security officer with an excellent track record of dismantling Israeli spy networks and who is investigating the smuggling of explosives from Syria by a pro Syria minister and therefore this is huge blow:
An anti Israeli effective civil servant with a track record of excellent work
A high ranking officer who uncovered a plot by the HA ally
An assassination with numerous innocents in the heart of Christian Beirut under the HA led coalition of regime supporters.
This is a huge blow to HA first and foremost and to Syria afterwards
October 19th, 2012, 11:00 pm
Observer said:
I love the Zoo. I love to go there and watch in particular the section where some of the animals are kept. You can guess which ones I like the most.
I love dim witted drones who keep on going in the same circular stories but when occasionally challenged with actual facts on the ground they just throw a temper tantrum.
Hairy animals close to humans with severe temper tantrums are may favorite part of the Zoo. In large cages they actually can be a nice and pretty accurate observation of the behavior of the the animals calling themselves Souria Alathad humans.
October 19th, 2012, 11:10 pm
Syrian said:
Even Abdel Bari Atwan, the great mintor of some supporter thinks Bashar did it
“????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????.
???? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????????? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ??????????? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????.”
http://alquds.co.uk/index.asp?fname=today%5C19z999.htm&arc=data%5C2012%5C10%5C10-19%5C19z999.htm
October 19th, 2012, 11:13 pm
Visitor said:
Observer 141,
You made too many inquiries, most of them unnecessary.
You made the wrong conclusions.
But I also like to go to the Zoo sometimes. Now, however, I am thinking of going to a circus, instead. I will choose a circus where they bring animals from the Zoo and place them on a carousel. That way I could do two things that I like to do at once in the same place.
October 19th, 2012, 11:23 pm
Ghufran said:
???? ???? ??????
(remember who ashraf rifi is)
?? “???????? ??????? ? ???????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????: “1 ? ?? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????. 2 ? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??????. 3 ? ?? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???????????. 4 ? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ?????????
I do not know how somebody can so quickly identify the perpetrator when it was clear that the guy had so many enemies and was well protected. this was a carefully planned crime against rafik Hariri # 2 (wissam was the most powerful Sunni figure in Lebanon). I realize that the Syrian regime et al will not shed tears over Wissam departure and prefers to see him gone but I am not ready to point to the killer yet, we have a number of suspects but no evidence, remember the embarrassment over Hariri’s death investigation ?
This is Hariri # 2. Many political assassinations in the Middle East end up as unsolved mysteries, people point fingers to serve their political agendas.
October 19th, 2012, 11:52 pm
Warren said:
“Living as a Christian in the hell of Aleppo”: the testimony of a priest
Meanwhile, the text continues, “bombs continue to fall on the area of Almidan, of Armenian majority, launched by armed opposition groups which is located in Bustan el-Bacha: they have killed several people, injured so many and destroyed many houses “. Some groups in the rugged opposition, where there are also jiahadisti groups, “fire on Christian houses and buildings, to force occupants to escape and then take possession ” the text concludes.
http://www.fides.org/aree/news/newsdet.php?idnews=32478&lan=eng
October 20th, 2012, 12:56 am
Warren said:
The Alawites and the Future of Syria
The Alawites are a small, historically oppressed people, whose political future will determine whether Syria remains united in some form or disintegrates into even smaller ethnic and religious entities.
As they will play such an important role, America, Israel, and other forces interested in the future of Syria might do well to get to know them, their concerns, and how others can best come to terms with them.
Syria’s non-Sunnis have historically lived in apprehension of what the Sunnis might do to them. Although Arab Sunnis are the largest religio-ethnic group in Syria, non-Sunni Arabs make up upwards of 40% of the population. Historically, until the end of Ottoman rule after World War I, the Sunnis assumed they were the region’s natural rulers, and by and large controlled the destinies of the large numbers of non-Sunnis who lived among them. The non-Sunnis seem to have “known their place” in Syrian society – second class citizens. The Sunnis determined the rules.
In the 19th century, Western concepts of nationalism and equality for all people began to appear in the Middle East. The idea that everyone – irrespective of ethnicity or religion – is equal before the law has seemed anathema to the Sunnis: such an idea would contradict the basic Islamic principle that non-Muslims – known as dhimmis, or second-class, barely-tolerated citizens – could live in an Islamic society only if they accepted their place as unequal and unworthy of political and social equality. However, even though all Sunnis might consider themselves equal, in reality, clans, tribes, or ethnic identities, not to mention gender, usually prevail.
After World War I, when the French ruled Syria, they tried to introduce the concept of equality of all people before the law – a principle that never took root. During French rule, the people today known as Alawites – and who today rule Syria – begged the French to allow them to set up their own state in their ancient homeland along the Mediterranean coast between today’s Lebanon and Turkey. One of those who most passionately supported this option was the grandfather of the ruler of Syria today: Suleyman al-Assad.
This is because Syrian Sunnis have historically referred to individual Alawites as “abid” [slave], and treated the Alawites as such. The Alawites were servants in Sunni households. Alawite tradition is filled with horror stories of Sunni abuse, both working in Sunni households and in other areas of as well.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3394/alawites-syria
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Irrespective of who wins this civil war, Syria’s political and administrative system will change. A less centralized Syria will emerge.
October 20th, 2012, 1:14 am
Visitor said:
I am adding another inquiry to Observer’s list in 141.
Did Lakhdar Ibrahimi kill Wissam Al-Hassan?
And I found the evidence:
http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2012/10/20/244782.html
October 20th, 2012, 1:15 am
Warren said:
Syria conflict: historic mosaic museum damaged
15 October 2012 Last updated at 19:45 Help
Syrian rebels say the historic museum of Alma Arra in the city of Maaret al-Numan has been damaged amid fighting as the conflict there continues.
However, Bashar al Assad’s government claims rebels who occupy the museum – renowned for its important collection of mosaics – are the responsible for the damage to the building and its artefacts.
Shaimaa Khalil reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19956561
October 20th, 2012, 1:25 am
Syrian said:
Friday’s totall Syrian lost was 245, unknow numbers of assadains beasts were sent to hell
October 20th, 2012, 1:39 am
SYR.EXPAT said:
The terrorist Syrian regime strikes again. This time in Lebanon.
However, Wisam Al-Hasan caused irreversible damage to Assad
and his allies in Lebanon.
The FSA stands to gain big time from this latest assassination.
Additionally, this assassination will highly likely backfire. Unlike
before, when the Syrian terrorist regime could strike at will without
any meaningful opposition, the jini this time is out of the bottle.
The heads of the Syrian terrorist regime must now be trying to stay
out of the spotlight to avoid a smilar end to that of Wisam.
So all in all, I think the murder of Wisam Al-Hasan will prove to be
a costly mistake by the terrorist Syrian regime.
The coming days and weeks will tell one way or the other.
October 20th, 2012, 2:35 am
annie said:
Lebanon assassinations at a glance
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/10/2012101921429610991.html
Syria blamed for Lebanon car bomb
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20013895
Syria blamed for deadly Lebanon blast
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/10/20121020501561664.html
Assad was behind deadly Beirut blast, says Hariri
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/assad-was-behind-deadly-beirut-blast-says-hariri
Attentat au Liban : l’ancien premier ministre Saad Hariri accuse Damas
http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient/article/2012/10/19/au-moins-quatre-morts-dans-un-attentat-a-la-voiture-piegee-a-beyrouth_1778249_3218.html
Beyrouth : le gouvernement libanais appellé à la démission
Par Le Nouvel Observateur avec AFP
L’opposition libanaise accuse le Premier ministre d’offrir “protection et couverture” à Damas, qu’elle juge responsable de l’attentat.
http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/monde/20121020.OBS6432/attentat-a-beyrouth-le-gouvernement-appelle-a-la-demission.html
October 20th, 2012, 4:10 am
Jarthouma said:
Clearly the regime is getting desperate. Some claim that the regime wants to spread the problem regionally to get Iran and Russian involved. I will tell you now. Other than logistic support and low level military intervention with some brigades and certain sectarian militia these countries cannot afford to get involved.
Bashar is banking on the unwilling nature of Turkey. It thinks and it is right that NATO is pushing Turkey hard not to get more involved and even threatening it behind the scenes. Turkey does not want to get involved anyway, but it does want some buffer zone to place Syrian refugees.
Similarly the Assadists do not want an all out civil war in Lebanon because that would bog down key supporters from Hizb al Shaytaan and stupid sectarian barbaric neanderthal Nusaryris in the north.
It wants to pressure Turkey and the March 14th movement and prevent the support for the FSA behind the scenes.
The stupid Assad does not get it though. He no longer has this bargaining tool. He is now a stupid local warlord in Syria that is losing ground day by day. Why oh why would regional players listen to a sinking ship ?!
He, Allah willing, cannot survive and these games will not change it.
In fact, it is a delicate balance because it may push Turkey into Syria, or at least into significant territory in the North
Personally I think these things are side shows and everyone knows about it.
These stupid sectarian Lord’s army Ugandan style Nusaryis should know that it is over and the first areas to fall would be the Alawite areas in the North West. His supplies are cut off and it would be some feat of nature for him to permanently change this.
Eventually you will have Alawite areas in Damascus and Homs becoming the Bani Walid of Libya. The last to fall but with no bargaining chip.
Ok,we will let these freaks of nature clean our shoes occasionally.
October 20th, 2012, 7:58 am
zoo said:
To all zoo lovers
You don’t need to go to the zoo.
SC is a zoo, there are snakes, monkeys, hyenas, lions, wild dogs, parrots and others rare specimens.
Guess who’s who
October 20th, 2012, 8:54 am
zoo said:
154. Jarthouma said:
“Clearly the regime is getting desperate”
Really? All signs point that it’s the opposition who is showing more signs of despair as they use terrorists to do the dirty job of destroying the country they could not dominate.
Repeating your mantra won’t make it real…
October 20th, 2012, 8:58 am
Tara said:
Zoo@132
Too naive to be true that the Israelis aligned with the salafists or acting alone can assassinate the head of the security in Lebanon but can’t assassinate their most formidable enemy Nasrallah and his Batta? It is so convenient to have Israelis and the salafists around. Don’t you think.
October 20th, 2012, 9:01 am
zoo said:
Turkish is killing Syrian soldiers
Turkish retaliatory fire has killed 12 Syrian soldiers -report
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/20/syria-crisis-turkey-idUSL5E8LK1E320121020
Oct 20 (Reuters) – Turkey’s military has fired on Syria 87 times, killing 12 Syrian soldiers and destroying several tanks in retaliation for Syrian shells and mortars landing on Turkish territory, a Turkish newspaper reported on Saturday.
Turkey has been carrying out a series of retaliatory strikes against President Bashar al-Assad’s forces fighting rebels along the border since Syrian shelling killed five Turkish civilians in a Turkish frontier town at the start of October.
October 20th, 2012, 9:17 am
zoo said:
The West has reached a high point of frustration as all its efforts to force a regime change in Syria failed. So they now renew the same calls for direct military western intervention they did 10 months ago, invoking the same argument: Humanity, massacres, catastrophes etc…..
What about pushing for negotiations and dialog instead?
Syria’s civil war
The killing fields
Despite the huge risks involved, the time has come for the West and the Arabs to intervene in Syria
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21564840-despite-huge-risks-involved-time-has-come-west-and-arabs-intervene
Oct 20th 2012 | from the print edition
IS IT because America and Europe have tired of their own wars that they have started to turn their back on other people’s? The number of dead in Syria has passed 30,000. Some days over 250 bodies are added to the pile, which brings to mind Iraq at the insurgency’s peak in 2006-07. Were the next few months to stretch into years, as now seems likely, Syria’s great cities would be ground to rubble and the whole Middle East would choke on the dust.
To prevent this catastrophe, NATO needs to start making the humanitarian and strategic case for intervening in Syria. Grounding President Bashar Assad’s air force could save many thousands of lives. Giving the rebels scope to organise and train could help bring the war to an end. Speeding the fall of Mr Assad might give Syria a chance to re-emerge as a nation at peace with itself and its neighbours.
October 20th, 2012, 9:22 am
zoo said:
Tara
“It is so convenient to have Israelis and the salafists around.”
It is as convenient as having a ready made suspect
Without any proofs, the demonization of Syria is all over the West news trying to throw oil on the fire, pushing for a western military intervention, because the heavily reported ‘massacres’ and ‘demonstrations’ had no decisive effect. Killing important people in neighboring countries shakes the international community but it will not push them to emotional reactions as long as the affair is not investigated.
According to the news, the assassination was extremely well planned by professionals using insiders close to the victim.
Do you really think that overstretched Syrian Mokhabarat have time to plan such a large and precise operation?
Many groups wanted this guy out of the way and here was a good timing to blame it on Syria in view of the recent Samaha affair and the help Hariri’s group was giving to the Syrians rebels.
Lebanon is paying the price of its own internal divisions easily exploited, the same way the divisions in Syria are exploited by groups with sinister agendas.
Don’t jump to conclusions. It is less simple than it appears.
October 20th, 2012, 9:41 am
zoo said:
Half-opened Pandora’s Box
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/half-opened-pandoras-box-and-syrias-unfolding-bane.aspx?pageID=449&nID=32822&NewsCatID=470
The infamous box containing “the entire world’s evil” has not been opened entirely for the region.
Amidst the war-mongering discourse of world politicians – senior Turkish officials in particular – that scenario is not far away. While giving strong support to the armed rebel forces, the anti-al-Assad camp in the world prefers not to think of long-term ramifications for both Syria and its neighbors.
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What the anti-al-Assad camp fails to see is that the scattered character of the heavily armed rebel forces pose a risk of turning against their supporters or even temporary allies and becoming somewhat feudal trouble – warlords exercising military power without recognizing or binding to any specific oath.
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Should they want to avoid ethnically-fueled catastrophic regional fallout, Turkey, as well as the international community, has to move beyond the dangerous policy of agitating one-another over the course of their Syrian policy.
October 20th, 2012, 10:03 am
Tara said:
Zoo,
Sometimes things in life are as simple as the appear to be..
October 20th, 2012, 10:05 am
Visitor said:
OK, it seems Mikati did it (or half did it).
But the best part about it is that he made a clear accusation to Damascus Killing Machine Inc,
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/10/20/244829.html
Coming from such as Mikati means something.
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In the meantime, Damascus is now under full aerial and multiple rocket launchers assault.
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To the Zoo keeper at 154,
I would appreciate it if you bring a carousel to your Zoo. I love to see your family doing a merry-go-round on my next visit.
October 20th, 2012, 10:09 am
Syria said:
154
Correct me if I’m wrong
we can can find all those at thr same time and place in ZOO
October 20th, 2012, 10:17 am
zoo said:
162. Tara
Not in politics
October 20th, 2012, 10:34 am
zoo said:
#163 Visitor
A roller coaster will be waiting for you..
October 20th, 2012, 10:37 am
zoo said:
Remember.. a year ago.
Call for Bashar al-Assad to step down a sign of growing isolation
Jordan’s King Abdullah message to al-Assad is a sign that other Arab leaders expect the regime in Syria to fall, writes Ian Black
The Guardian, Monday 14 November 2011
October 20th, 2012, 10:42 am
Visitor said:
To the Zoo @165,
A roller coaster will do as long as its both ends are connected. That way the show will not be limited by time and space constraints and it theoretically can go forever. I also want a colorful canopy covering the tracks with lights and all the fancy works.
October 20th, 2012, 10:45 am
zoo said:
Aleppo map: In red, areas under rebel control
http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/3742_301502483296863_421593611_n.jpg
15 days ago
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/61461_298467353600376_998820272_n.jpg
October 20th, 2012, 11:00 am
Ghufran said:
The US used a similar method in Iraq and Afghanistan:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/syrian-government-booby-traps-rebels-ammunition.html?ref=middleeast
October 20th, 2012, 11:06 am
Visitor said:
The Zoo spake thus (note that there are no spelling mistakes here)
According to the news, the assassination was extremely well planned by professionals using insiders close to the victim.
Do you really think that overstretched Syrian Mokhabarat have time to plan such a large and precise operation?
No you do not need insider information. And I am at a loss to figure out a better way to make use of the Mokhabarat so-called precious time.
It doesn’t take a genius or much time of Mokhabarat precious time to know who runs the show in the Beirut Airport. Neither does it require a genius to know that Al-Hassan arrived in that slave mullah-goons infested airpor from a trip the night before the assassination.
October 20th, 2012, 11:12 am
zoo said:
The witch hunt on the Salafists in Gaza
Hamas Finds Itself Aligned With Israel Over Extremist Groups
By FARES AKRAM and ISABEL KERSHNER
Published: October 19, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/hamas-works-to-suppress-militant-groups-in-gaza.html
GAZA — Hamas, the Islamic group that governs Gaza and was once considered one of the most extreme Palestinian movements itself, is working to suppress the more radical Islamic militant groups that have emerged here, according to militants, putting Hamas in the unusual position of sharing an interest with Israel.
Guarding the smuggling tunnels along the border with Egypt in Rafah. Hamas has worked to prevent logistical cooperation between militant groups.
The jihadist extremists, known as Salafists and inspired by the ideology of Al Qaeda, are challenging Hamas’s informal and fragile cease-fire with Israel.
October 20th, 2012, 11:22 am
zoo said:
Visitor
The knowledge of the small street of Ashrafieh his car used was not obtained at the airport.
It is clearly a security breach within the IFS.
Only fools jump to condemnation without proofs.
October 20th, 2012, 11:27 am
zoo said:
Visitor
The other end of the roller coaster will end straight in the Turkish FSA headquarters, that will save you a ticket to Hatay.
October 20th, 2012, 11:31 am
Visitor said:
The IRRITATED Zoo@173,
You should leave that to IRRITATED. At least he had class.
I think it will end straight in your Mullah-Stan city of Qom where you and the rest of your zoological society will finish drinking the cups of poison of your late grand zoo keeper the maqboor Khomeini of India and Punjab.
October 20th, 2012, 11:49 am
syrian said:
173
On the subject of Hatay I have been for a while now thinking about sending my great appreciation to the late Attaturk, for taking Hatay and it is inhabitants of our hands, Imagine the Syrians having to deal with another Million of your ilk. also it was a great move from Bashar the alawit to officially give Hatay up to the Turks, this way the next generations of retrained Alawits can never accuse the Sunnis of losing it
October 20th, 2012, 11:52 am
Tara said:
Syrian,
After watching a wedding from Hatay, I feel the same way about Hatay. Next time I visit Turkey, I will place a rose on Ataturk’s grave.
WSS, I know. It sounds awful, but can’t help it.
October 20th, 2012, 12:03 pm
Citizen said:
on it and hoped Mossad!
Lebanon on a knife-edge: Anti-Syrian tensions rising
http://rt.com/news/lebanon-attack-bomb-syria-847/
Lebanon Bombing is Impetus for West’s Planned Sunni-Shi’ia War
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/lebanon-bombing-is-impetus-for-wests.html
Israel, Syria, Iraq: Who benefits from the Beirut blast?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEOVH6lwMPg
US-Supported Free Syrian Army Are Salafi Jihadists From Saudi Arabia
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/10/us-supported-free-syrian-army-are.html
October 20th, 2012, 12:09 pm
syrain said:
Tara
You dont have to wait till you visit ,there is a world wide service to send flowers.
Zoo.
BTW this is how “timeless God” works,
October 20th, 2012, 12:17 pm
Visitor said:
Well didn’t take Mikati long. His mourning period is over. He cann’t say no to his prethident.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2012/Oct-20/192140-mikati-says-suspends-decision-to-resign.ashx#axzz29rKFt5My
October 20th, 2012, 12:58 pm
annie said:
Meurtre du général Wissam al-Hassan, chef des renseignements des FSI libanaises.
par Ronald Barakat
Par quel génie cet homme a su épingler les coupables de son vivant, puis les condamner par sa mort. Par quel génie il a pu acculer l’Assassin à commettre son forfait à visage découvert, de façon si flagrante, à force de le contrarier et de le faire enrager, à force de déjouer ses complots, de dévoiler ses instruments, de sorte à dispenser les services de police des investigations d’usage. Par quel génie il a su se faire piéger à chaud, après les insultes de la veille à son encontre, et les menaces répétées de ses «proies» qui riaient jaune, et parvenir à piéger lui-même, par sa mort, son propre piégeur. Par quel génie il a pu susciter l’exaspération, voire la fixation obsessionnelle d’un pseudo seigneur de la communauté chrétienne, devenu son « saigneur », et il a pu être une occasion de chute au commanditaire occulte de son propre assassinat.
Par quel génie, autre que celui d’avoir découvert un tas de pots aux roses de fabrication israélienne et syrienne, il a pu, par sa mort, raviver la flamme affaiblie de la révolution du cèdre, rassembler et revigorer les joueurs fatigués, rapprocher le « Bey » du camp qu’il a déserté et le faire parler d’une «sortie provisoire du 14 mars», tendre et pincer la fibre souverainiste relâchée, revivifier les forces vives du mouvement du 14 mars, et par conséquent renvoyer le boomerang à la figure de ceux qui l’ont lancé. Indépendamment de la peine, de la perte, de l’affliction pour les victimes montées avec lui, indépendamment des dommages moraux et matériels, j’envie cet homme. J’envie son martyre, ce qui le précède et ce qui en découle. J’envie l’efficacité et l’héroïcité de son action sécuritaire. Qu’il est beau de mourir en héros!
Photo : Par quel génie cet homme a su épingler les coupables de son vivant, puis les condamner par sa mort. Par quel génie il a pu acculer l’Assassin à commettre son forfait à visage découvert, de façon si flagrante, à force de le contrarier et de l’enrager, à force de déjouer ses complots, de dévoiler ses instruments, de sorte à dispenser les services de police des investigations d’usage. Par quel génie il a su se faire piéger à chaud, après les insultes de la veille à son encontre, et les menaces répétées de ses «proies» qui riaient jaune, et parvenir à piéger lui-même, par sa mort, son propre piégeur. Par quel génie il a pu susciter l’exaspération, voire la fixation obsessionnelle d’un pseudo seigneur de la communauté chrétienne, devenu son “saigneur”, et il a pu être une occasion de chute au commanditaire occulte de son propre assassinat. Par quel génie, autre que celui d’avoir découvert un tas de pots aux roses de fabrication israélienne et syrienne, il a pu, par sa mort, raviver la flamme affaiblie de la révolution du cèdre, rassembler et revigorer les joueurs fatigués, rapprocher le “Bey” du camp qu’il a déserté et le faire parler d’une «sortie provisoire du 14 mars», tendre et pincer la fibre souverainiste relâchée, revivifier les forces vives du mouvement du 14 mars, et par conséquent renvoyer le boomerang à la figure de ceux qui l’ont lancé. Indépendamment de la peine, de la perte, de l’affliction pour les victimes montées avec lui, indépendamment des dommages moraux et matériels, j’envie cet homme. J’envie son martyre, ce qui le précède et ce qui en découle. J’envie l’efficacité et l’héroïcité de son action sécuritaire. Qu’il est beau de mourir en héros!
Par quel génie il a pu forcer la décence et les marques de solidarité de certains ministres, députés, chefs de partis et de clans de l’autre bord, qui ont longtemps fantasmé et souhaité sa disparition et qui s’en réjouissent in petto.
October 20th, 2012, 1:36 pm
Warren said:
Canadian Sayfildin Tahir Sharif faces US extradition
A Iraqi-born Canadian citizen should be extradited to the US on charges he was linked to at least two deadly suicide bombings in Iraq, a judge has ruled.
The judge in Edmonton, Alberta, said intercepted calls and emails suggested Sayfildin Tahir Sharif’s involvement.
He is a accused of helping a group of Tunisian jihadists kill five American soldiers and seven people at an Iraqi police station in two separate attacks.
His lawyer said they would appeal against the extradition ruling.
If convicted of terrorism charges in the United States, Mr Sharif could face a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
Mr Sharif, also known as Faruq Muhammad Isa, was born in Iraq but moved to Toronto as a refugee in 1993.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20013580
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Another Sunni parasite and ingrate, the West took pity on this miscreant. Gave him and his family refuge, security, education and job opportunities. How does he repay the West? By sponsoring terrorism against Western forces that liberated his country from a dictator. These same Sunnis that so vehmently opposed us in Iraq, are now screaming that we intervene in Syria. Once bitten, twice as shy. The West knows what ingrates you Arabs are, worse than the French. We liberate you and you hate us for it!
October 20th, 2012, 1:44 pm
Warren said:
Syrian Arab Army battle footage from Aleppo’s suburbs – 10.10.2012
October 20th, 2012, 1:47 pm
Visitor said:
How did Al-Hassan move around in order to camouflage his movements? Up until 3 hours after the explosion no one in Lebanon was supposed to have known Al-Hassan is in Lebanon including high ranking officers in his branch,
http://www.assafir.com/Article.aspx?EditionID=2288&ChannelID=54931&ArticleID=2239
October 20th, 2012, 1:51 pm
Jarthouma said:
““Clearly the regime is getting desperate”
Really? All signs point that it’s the opposition who is showing more signs of despair as they use terrorists to do the dirty job of destroying the country they could not dominate.
Repeating your mantra won’t make it real…”
Yeah and repeatedly shouting out that there is no God but your Duck of an idiot will not make him divine either.
Look, whatever stupid brainwashed crap you want to peddle on this site, it will not help your reality on the ground.
I know, I know the FSA occupation of Aleppo and Mara’aat al Numaan is a fabrication constructed in a model village in Qatar. Nobody believes you and nobody cares what you say in the end. You know that and you know the reality on the ground and you know the dire straits of your “ground forces” and the real numbers on the ground. Trust me, we have our sources as well and we know what is happening to your militia.
I think Zoo, you should jump on the next plane NOW! before Qardaha is overrun by the FSA. Quickly get your last prayers and chickens sacrificed to your lord Hafez al Ja7sh at his grave site before it becomes a Salafi Dawah centre lol!
October 20th, 2012, 1:59 pm
Tara said:
????? ??? ?????
Libya government says former Gadhafi spokesman captured
http://news.yahoo.com/libya-government-says-former-gaddafi-spokesman-captured-144312721.html
Moussa Ibrahim, who was the mouthpiece of the Gaddafi regime during last year’s war, was caught in the town of Tarhouna, 70 km (40 miles) south of Tripoli.
“Moussa Ibrahim has been arrested by forces belonging to the Libyan government in the town of Tarhouna and he is being transferred to Tripoli to begin interrogation,” a statement from the prime minister’s office said.
October 20th, 2012, 2:04 pm
Aleppo said:
Regardless of long, supposedly intellectual arguments we shouldn’t lose sight of what really matters: the criminal Assad is killing, everyday, man, women, children. He’ll go. God willing, as soon as possible!
The state cannot kill its own citizens. May God protect the Syrian people!
October 20th, 2012, 2:17 pm
Aldendeshe said:
You can tell who killed that man in Lebanon, by the posters and the messege they leave in here. Gone ho mad, one after another, JEWS DID IT, the obvious, your campaig is telling, now I know. Thank you for telling us.
October 20th, 2012, 2:44 pm
Aldendeshe said:
IDIOTS. A BUNCH OF JEWSIH IDIOTS WITH PAID LEBANESE PIMPS.
Bashar did not even kill any of the Tlasses, Khaddam’s, Moslem Broherhood Leaders, SNC leaders, the paid mercenaries leaders. He did not even assassinate that criminal rapist Abdul Razak Tlass and they knew every move he made, where he slept and what he ate. And I can assure you Syrians did not kill Mafiosi Hariri and neither Hezbollah, the GLOBAL GANG did it, it was all about money and properties controls, Collateral bank accounts control that is all, it was made to look a political assassination for cover.
October 20th, 2012, 2:54 pm
zoo said:
Victoria Nuland is not as sure of herself anymore and mumbles about the prospect of a no-fly zone.
19 October 2012 VOA
October 20th, 2012, 3:59 pm
zoo said:
When someone is strong and successful, one praises God. When someone is failing and powerless, one should call God for help instead of resorting to curses and insults. I guess most religion teach us this.
October 20th, 2012, 4:19 pm
zoo said:
#184 Visitor
Anyone close to the family in Paris knew he went back to Lebanon.
Anyone in the airlines he took knew that too. Anyone at the airport saw him coming in.
It was not a well kept secret…Obviously the least informed were his colleagues. There seem to have been a security breach.
October 20th, 2012, 4:25 pm
zoo said:
The US is changing the narrative again… to fit Obama’s narrative
U.S.: Evidence doesn’t show planning in Libyan attack
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-evidence-doesnt-show-planning-in-libyan-attack/2012/10/19/ff7ff326-1a36-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html?hpid=z2
U.S. intelligence officials said Friday that no evidence has surfaced to indicate that the Sept. 11 assault on a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Libya was planned in advance, a conclusion that suggests the attack was spontaneous even if it involved militants with ties to al-Qaeda.
The description represents the latest shift in the U.S. government’s evolving account of an attack that claimed the life of the U.S. ambassador to Libya, as well as three other U.S. citizens, and has become entangled in the politics of the presidential campaign.
“There isn’t any intelligence that the attackers pre-planned their assault days or weeks in advance,” a U.S. intelligence official said.
October 20th, 2012, 4:33 pm
Tara said:
Zoo
You did not express any sadness for his death? Are you not sad for him?
October 20th, 2012, 4:35 pm
Visitor said:
Thus spake the Zoo @191
“…Obviously the least informed were his colleagues. There seem to have been a security breach”
Obviously, a breach at the mullah-goons slaves infested ????? ???? ???????? international airport like what’s his name? I forgot.
Another one of these ????? ???? ???????? took place few years ago. Anyone remembers the name? Was it Qasir, Hawi or Jemayyel? One or the other.
October 20th, 2012, 4:45 pm
zoo said:
Any other scenario suggested?
Wissam al Hassam has been liquidated by Syrians loyalists because he was allowing weapons and jihadists to move freely to Syria and was opposed to Bashar Al Assad.
Wissam Al Hassan was murdered by Syrian rebels because he had accepted to stop allowing the weapon traffic to Syrian rebels.
Wissam al Hassan has been liquidated by the Israelis because the intelligence services of the Hezbollah who wanted to nail him, were about to uncover that he was working for the Mossad and the CIA.
Wissam Al Hassan was murdered as he was creating a fake witness, similar to Hussam Siddiq he created in the Hariri affair, in order to frame and convict Michel Samaha.
Wissam Al Hassan was murdered by the Hezbollah to punish him from having helped framing 4 Hezbollah members indicted in the killing of Hariri.
….
October 20th, 2012, 4:58 pm
William Scott Scherk said:
NOT safe for Baathi trumpeteers
From a video report of Al Jazeera English (Zoo, you are not expected to watch this or even acknowledge it. It will not suit your biases and blind-spots, since it concerns Assad forces bombing civilian areas. Among other things you will not discuss, this seems to be your Red Line).
https://www.youtube.com/embed/txIV8iGs2DA
— in my opinion, the most valuable comment in this whole thread is by Altair at 71. He is asking the heartfelt questions that Baathist expats like Zoo are unable to even entertain …
October 20th, 2012, 5:09 pm
zoo said:
#195 Visitor
He had moved his family in Paris a few months ago because he knew he was threatened
Did he actually passed by the airport in view of everybody? If he did, that’s not smart for the country top security chief who wants to stay incognito.
October 20th, 2012, 5:13 pm
zoo said:
Iraq refuses that Turkish pilgrims cross Iraq without a visa.
Davutoglu blames the Turkish travel agency.
Pilgrims in Iraq obliged to return
Saturday,October 20 2012, Your time is 5:16:19 PM
ANKARA – Hürriyet Daily News
Travel agencies organizing pilgrimage visits should work professionally and not let their customers travel without visas, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto?lu said Oct. 19. His statement came a day after Iraq refused to allow more than 120 Turkish buses, apparently loaded with pilgrims traveling to Mecca, across to Saudi Arabia since the passengers did not have the required visas from Baghdad.
October 20th, 2012, 5:20 pm
zoo said:
Tara
Frankly no.
I think the guy is as shadowy as Rifaat Al Assad for whom I did not express sadness either.
I do not have sympathy for Intelligence Chiefs anywhere in the world, their job makes them manipulative and sinister.
October 20th, 2012, 5:26 pm
Visitor said:
Based on WSS @196 observation I went back and re-read Altair’s comment.
Here’s my conclusion.
Despite its sentimental tone, the comment reveals analytical naivety. The comment can be shot down with a very short single rebuttal:
Anyone who expects a regime such as this regime to behave differently to the threat of a falling fear barrier, its one and only raison d’être of holding on to power which it perceives gives it legitimacy, must be living in la la land. Of course, the writer shot himself by himself in the foot when he asked us to imagine how things would be different if the Dera’a kids were treated differently! When I reached that sentence I realized that I wasted my time. But, at least, WSS cannot blame for not trying.
I hope you have better advice for us next time, WSS.
As for the video, it was good to see that criminal pilot in the hands of the FSA. But I hope no one believed the pilot when he claimed he didn’t know he was bombing civilians. A pilot with the rank of captain going out on a mission to bomb so-called Libyans, Afghans and other Arabs in the middle of Syrian cities should at least have asked himself the questions why are these people coming to fight us here? I do not recall that the so-called great Baath Arab Nationalist Party ever instructed its members that, Libyans, Afghans and other such Arabs were the enemies of Syria. What about the cities themselves? Did he ask himself if its regular Syrian inhabitants are still in the neighborhood
October 20th, 2012, 5:34 pm
Tara said:
Zoo,
Interesting. So please tell you did not care about Asef Shawkat either.
I was in tears watching Future today. He is in his 40s. The guy was a national hero exposing Samaha, Israelis spies, and Salafists which tells his patriotisms.
October 20th, 2012, 5:45 pm
Visitor said:
Thus spake the Zoo @197,
“Did he actually passed by the airport in view of everybody? If he did, that’s not smart for the country top security chief who wants to stay incognito”
Aha!!
the real question is were the mullah-goons on the lookout for him? The airport is their most effective tool to track him and others they may want to target. He himself knew one way or another he will get killed.
As for your earlier scenarios, Mikati shot them all down today and left only one.
So, do not play this multiple scenario game – deja vu.
If you come back and say it is stupid for the airport goons and the Damascus Killing Machine to do it right after his arrival, because then it will be obvious it is them, the answer is you would do anything out of desperation. The goons and the Killing Machine are desperate, and they have obviously chosen the Samson option. Killing him in such fashion simply highlights this desperation. They could have realized they cannot reach him except through tracking his movements, and the airport is their most effective avenue for doing so. So they cannot waste the opportunity when it arises. Other plans and logistic for the operation would be ready of course for the zero hour.
October 20th, 2012, 5:48 pm
zoo said:
The family of Wissam al-Hassan had been sent to France for security reasons. ( translated)
By Georges Malbrunot October 20, 2012
http://blog.lefigaro.fr/malbrunot/2012/10/la-famille-de-wissam-el-hassan.html
According to a French source in Beirut the family of General Wissam el-Hassan, the head of the intelligence services of the Hariri camp who was murdered Friday in Beirut, had taken shelter in France in recent months for fear on their security.
In recent years, the general el-Hassan had escaped several times from attacks. He was the center of the investigation made by his internal security forces into the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in February 2005 in Beirut. In this capacity, he had worked with investigators from the Special Tribunal on Lebanon, set up after the death of Hariri to shed light on his murder.
French intelligence services and American knew him very well. This summer, the service has been at the forefront in the arrest of the pro-Syrian former Lebanese Minister Michel Samaha, accused of preparing terrorist attacks to destabilize Lebanon. A charge received with skepticism by some members of the intelligence community in France, among others.
“Samaha was too smart to get caught up in person in such an operation,” says an agent who rather suspect a framing operation by the Wissam el-Hassan’s service. It would not be the first time he dipped into such an arrangement: after the assassination of Rafik Hariri, the ISF service (lead by W. el-Hassan) has already produced a false prosecution witness against Damascus in the person of Zouheir Ziddiq. This was done in collaboration with other services in the region, that are now, by coincidencee, involved in the fight to topple Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
This morning, relatives of Wissam al-Hassan – especially his professional colleagues – were interviewed by Lebanese investigators who seek to find out who “sold” him. To escape his enemies, Wissam al-Hassan resorted to deception: when he moved, several cars went at the same time to confuse the tracks.
October 20th, 2012, 5:49 pm
jna said:
196. William Scott Scherk said: ………………
William, since you are so insulting about the the positions of others on this blog discussion, would you please give us your position on the Brahimi ceasefire plan. A ceasefire plan holds the hope that civilians can be spared the bombing, sniping, executions, etc. committed by both sides of this war. It is my recollection that most people here who oppose the armed militias have also been supportive of the various international (Arab League, UN/Annan) ceasefire efforts which aimed to bring about a government change peacefully. Unfortunately, it is also my recollection that those most supportive of the armed Syrian opposition militias have vice-versa been negative towards these ceasefire efforts. It makes one wonder how concerned really they are about the civilian casualties.
October 20th, 2012, 5:49 pm
Visitor said:
My response to WSS 196 is at the unfortunate position of 200, the end of the previous roll of comments.
October 20th, 2012, 5:51 pm
zoo said:
#202 Visitor
Your post seems to have been written under the effect of a drug or a sedative, it is totally confused and confusing: Goons, Samson and Killing machines, airports. Either you are an addict to video games or you are on Observer’s track in his TV serials obsession.
If you wish to, maybe you could reposted it when the effect of the drug has passed.
October 20th, 2012, 5:57 pm
zoo said:
Tara
Read #204, that may temper your sadness. Keep a critical mind and beware of made-up heroes, especially in Lebanon. Geagea is a hero…
Many people cried for Rifaat, for them he was a ‘hero’ too
October 20th, 2012, 6:01 pm
SANDRO LOEWE said:
ALDENDESHE,
I think your thinking that israelis killed HARIRI, TUENI, KASSAR, GEMYAEL, HAWI and finally WASSIM is paranoia. Because in case it was true then the syrian regime would be a zionist one cooperating with Israel. And Israel would be defending the syrian system by killing all their potential enemies.
Every time I read a post from Al Dendeshe the idea that you are a syrian zionist agent grows more and more.
October 20th, 2012, 6:03 pm
Syrialover said:
VISITOR,
Thank you for your courteous response to my earlier overlooked post* in another thread.
No, we are not seeing anti-opposition propaganda here. This forum is swamped with stuff that’s even more amateurish, sinister and irrational than that.
(*https://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=16405#comment-331630)
October 20th, 2012, 6:22 pm
Aldendeshe said:
@SANDRO
Like Lebanese or Israeli are not capable of killing and bombing, right! It is all Syria. Common man, we Syrian, not stupid lebanese, the M.O says it all. Assad, shoots people, car bombing are an Israeli/Lebanese thing. I don’t think you know the mafia’s these people are members in, or who they piss off one way or another on daily basis. I am100% positive and assured,that none of the bombing you mentioned in Lebanon, done or related to Syria. Lebanon, operate on the same ways Russia for decade was run, Mafia gangs. It is just happen to have Syria nearby to blame it all on them. Crack Pot Crap. Not buying it. Show me the beef!!! Millions spent on that Hariri investigation.
October 20th, 2012, 6:35 pm
Syrialover said:
Time to put the scorching spotlight on evil witch Bouthaina Shabaan for the Beirut terrorism asassination.
We know Bashar Assad has resorted to putting her in charge of that area because his team has become so shrunken and underpowered.
We already have the evidence for her giving orders and making arrangements for terrorist acts in Lebanon via disgraced Lebanese MP Michel Samaha.
(for those who’ve missed it, and there’s plenty more to read out there: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2012/Oct-08/190589-shaaban-recordings-evidence-of-criminal-involvement-source.ashx)
October 20th, 2012, 6:43 pm
Syrialover said:
ZOO (# 199) said:
“I do not have sympathy for Intelligence Chiefs anywhere in the world”
COMMENT: Except those in Syria you so loyally and admiringly endorse and sing songs for here. And those from Iran and Russia whose messages you faithfully post.
I’m being polite with this respose – I actually thought far worse (as well as laughing) when I saw that statement from Zoo.
October 20th, 2012, 6:51 pm
Syrialover said:
We have the usual rabid conspiracy theorists on the case here about the Beirut bomb assassination.
So here’s a new bone for them to go away in a corner and excitedly chew on:
Article: Lebanon seeks legal action against TV producers
Lebanon is seeking to take legal action against the award-winning American television series Homeland for its portrayal of Beirut as a city riven with terrorists.
In the eagerly awaited second episode of the second season of the CIA thriller, shown on Channel 4, millions of viewers tuned in to watch as the protagonists hunted terrorists through the narrow, dirty and dangerous streets of “Beirut”.
But Fady Abboud, Lebanon’s minister of tourism, who has spent a small fortune trying to revive the country’s reputation as the Paris of the Middle East, expressed outrage at the “serious misrepresentation” of the city.
“We are following the case legally. I raised this at the cabinet meeting and the president asked the minister for justice and the minister of communications to see what can be done,” said Mr Abboud.
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/lebanon/9618710/Lebanon-seeks-legal-action-against-Homeland.html
October 20th, 2012, 7:00 pm
Syrialover said:
[Re-posting, as this comment got mysteriously snagged in moderation]
We have the usual rabid conspiracy theorists on the case here about the Beirut bomb assassination.
So here’s a new bone for them to go away in a corner and excitedly chew on:
Article: Lebanon seeks legal action against TV producers
Lebanon is seeking to take legal action against the award-winning American television series Homeland for its portrayal of Beirut as a city riven with terrorists.
In the eagerly awaited second episode of the second season of the CIA thriller, shown on Channel 4, millions of viewers tuned in to watch as the protagonists hunted terrorists through the narrow, dirty and dangerous streets of “Beirut”.
But Fady Abboud, Lebanon’s minister of tourism, who has spent a small fortune trying to revive the country’s reputation as the Paris of the Middle East, expressed outrage at the “serious misrepresentation” of the city.
“We are following the case legally. I raised this at the cabinet meeting and the president asked the minister for justice and the minister of communications to see what can be done,” said Mr Abboud.
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/lebanon/9618710/Lebanon-seeks-legal-action-against-Homeland.html
October 20th, 2012, 7:05 pm
William Scott Scherk said:
JNA at 204 asks:
I do not yet see a full plan, but I support Brahimi’s activities and mandate — and the broad strokes of what we know of his attempts to broker peace (at least from the published remarks of the man, if not from the incessant gossip and wishful thinking).
The 6 point plan (of the previous UN/AL envoy) is the basis for any permanent ceasefire, with the agreement in Geneva the sole agreement that provides further benchmarks for a political, negotiated transition. I fully support both documents, since they are the only game in town (to have been nominally accepted by the dictatorship), and since they are the only plans that have the avowed support of the majority of the other actors and interests.
I thus fully support Brahimi’s attempts to deal directly with the state interest groups: Turkey, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Eqypt … and Syria. He has been the only person who has attempted to deepen UN contacts with the armed and unarmed oppositions in Syria.
From my perspective, any attempt to produce a ceasefire (if only a temporary holiday from war) is valuable.
Hope that answers your question, if not in detail. May I ask for a similar answer in re Brahimi, Geneva and the 6 points?
As for insult, perhaps I operate under a different scheme than the troubled and demented here who continue a barrage of stupidity and hate:
MOSLEM LOW LIFE COWARDS
human garbage JOO lizard people
MOSLEM CATTLE
JNA, your comments in an earlier thread are pertinent to ceasefire plans. On August 18th you said this:
I am sometimes almost as pessimistic as you seem in that comment, JNA (in judging what may be ‘impossible’ expectations). But I try to remember what Syrians will have to do to get to the other side, to get to the day after, to reconcile, to rebuild.
Here is what I wrote at a time when the 6 point plan was still getting lip-service from Baathist lapdogs …
October 20th, 2012, 7:13 pm
Visitor said:
You welcome SL@209.
Believe me propaganda it is. But I never said they are not naive, amateurish or irrational.
But remember what Hitler said about how to make effective propaganda.
“All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be.”
And,
“Its [propaganda’s] effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect. We must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public. The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous.”
And also bear in mind the importance of endless repetitions, that Hitler and his Goebel emphasized, of one and the same message and symbols until you wear out the audience into believing what is not real. Do I need to cite to you the endless false repetitions that take place on this site?
Anyway, that link from GMU I posted to you in that comment has more than one page. I linked it to the most relevant page. If you scroll down to the bottom of the linked page you will find links to other pages, and you can read about how it developed from early history up to the present.
For some of course, the material posted here by most regime goons (I am using the term here on purpose and referring to one particular goon of course) is obvious and can easily see the sinister and the amateurish character of the posts. But many will fall into the trap.
October 20th, 2012, 7:15 pm
Warren said:
Muhammad Al-Zawahiri, Brother of Al-Qaeda Leader: I Don’t Recognize the Elections or President Morsi
October 20th, 2012, 7:18 pm
Tara said:
Why can’t the US provide intelligence to the rebells about Bashar routes so he can be taken care of?
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syria-plane-intel-came-from-us-report.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32867&NewsCatID=338
Syria plane intel came from US: report
ISTANBUL
Intelligence regarding the Syrian plane carrying military equipment from Moscow to Damascus came from American sources, the Washington Post has reported.
Anonymous U.S. officials confirmed that it was American intelligence that had tipped off Turkey regarding the parts loaded on the plane.
October 20th, 2012, 7:34 pm
Ghufran said:
I spoke to a number of Lebanese friends, most believed that Wissam was a good officer who managed to make many enemies because he was bald and aggressive, something that is dangerous in Lebanon, he was close to Hariri but he also angered islamists and Israel, I am not sold on the theory that Syria or Hizbullah killed him, his assassination was clearly an inside job. The rotten politicians of 14th March coalition are trying to sell his blood to buy political power they can not afford and do not deserve ,they want to topple the government and bring back Saado and his army of pimps,but such a government can not govern and will trigger a harsh response from Saado’s political enemies, it took Hizbullah less than 8 hours to control Beirut when Saado and Ghandourah tried to twist the arms of the Shia and their allies, Lebanon can only survive when the balance of power is reflected in the parliament, the government and security forces, the identity of Wissam killers may never be known but civil peace in Lebanon is more important than one person or one party, I hope wissam’s killers are identified and brought to justice but I am not holding my breath until this happens.
October 20th, 2012, 8:08 pm
Tara said:
It seems like Libnan operates on a similar principal, HA or we’ll burn the country exactly like in Syria, Batta or will burn the country.
October 20th, 2012, 8:30 pm
Observer said:
Here is what was quoted before by the Keeper
“Only fools jump to condemnation without proofs.”
Therefore only fools jump to concluding that the strife in Syria is a conspiracy by a combination of Al Qaeda Salafi Israeli American Qatari and Saudi agents to send weapons to Syrians so that they can start a war with the regime.
Only fools believe that the arms we have seen with the rebels being simple weapons were actually meant to confront 122mm cannon and 152 mm Howitzers and 240 mm Mortars and TNT barrels and Cluster munitions.
Only fools believe that children of Dera’a wrote on the walls at the instigation and indoctrination of the CIA-Mossad-Al Qaeda plotters.
Only fools believe that the constitution which combines the power of the executive legislative and judicial in one persona is a reform
Only fools believe that the Intelligence chief that dismantled many an Israeli network would also plot to implicate Samaha who has confessed to carrying explosives to Lebanon.
Only fools believe that the regime is conducting an offensive against Turkey and that Turkey is in dire straits
Only fools think that the regime is facing a world wide conspiracy to unseat it for it has presented an incredible steadfast resistance to Israel to the point that it declared in 2007 that it will respond to the bombing of its facilities in the North in its time and place ( I am still holding my breath ).
Only fools think that the minister of national reconciliation can use the rest room without permission
Only fools think that the VP can do anything more than shoe shine his bosses shoes
I have left the Hyenas section and I am going to watch the Baboons who answer to a Duck
Cheers to Visitor as he goes on his roller coaster watching the zoo from above. When you see the Duck directing the Baboons please wave to me.
October 20th, 2012, 9:31 pm
SALAH ADDIN said:
GHUFRAN @ 218
The best assassins in the world are the Israeli clandestine operators. They work for years to infiltrate their opponents, and once they have a target they will choose the time, the place and the method. Examples are Imad Mughnieh, General Mohamad Suleiman, AlBahbooh, General Francois ElHajj, the attempt on Khaled Mechaal in Jordan, to name a few.
General Wessam AlHassan was successful in uncovering Israeli operators in Lebanon, which led to the dismantling and the arrest of more than thirty spying rings, and breaking the cypher codes and all their sophisticated methods of spying and communications.
He was too good in his counter espionage achievements against Israel in Lebanon. Too bad he did not take more precautions, knowing how much he had hurt the Mossad. It will be very hard to replace him. He is an Arab hero.
October 20th, 2012, 9:52 pm
Syrialover said:
Nice observations,thanks OBSERVER (#220)
October 20th, 2012, 9:58 pm
Syrialover said:
SALAH ADDIN #221
Yes, Mossad appears to have scored some hits over the years. But it doesn’t quite add up.
I often wonder, if Mossad is as brilliant as some people seem to think, how come they haven’t attacked more significant and strategic vermin?
Including in Lebanon right now.
And they would have a lot of countries saluting them and Iran nursing a black eye if Mossad directed its alleged magical assassination powers against the Assad regime.
(And no, while I’m no fan of Israel I can’t buy conspiracy theories about them wanting the Syrian situation to unfold as it has done and continue to worsen).
October 20th, 2012, 10:20 pm
Johannes de Silentio said:
218. Ghufran:
“Wissam was a good officer who managed to make many enemies because he was bald and aggressive, something that is dangerous in Lebanon.”
I understand that being aggressive can be dangerous, but bald? I’ve seen pictures of Wissam. Looks like he had a full head of hair. WTF, Ghuffie?
October 20th, 2012, 10:21 pm
Visitor said:
OBSERVER @220 said,
“….watching the zoo from above. When you see the Duck directing the Baboons please wave to me.”
Will gladly oblige.
October 20th, 2012, 10:27 pm
ann said:
All Praise be to Allah the One, Allah the Eternal, neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, nor is there to Him any equivalent.
Looks like the forces of evil and hate were right about who’s selling guns and ammo to the terrorists after all 8)
Syrians Place Booby-Trapped Ammunition in Rebels’ Guns – October 19, 2012
The primary source for doctored ammunition has been the Syrian government, which mixes exploding cartridges with ordinary rounds on the black markets through which rebels acquire weapons, the commanders said.
Some booby-trapped ammunition may also have entered Syria from Iraq, where during the most recent war the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency secretly passed doctored ammunition to insurgent groups, several American veterans and officials said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/world/middleeast/syrian-government-booby-traps-rebels-ammunition.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
October 20th, 2012, 10:28 pm
ann said:
How’s your fence doing? 8)
125. Johannes de Silentio said:
108. Citizen
“The battle for the future control of Syria will have enormous consequences for either world peace or endless war and conflict and slaughter.”
No it won’t. They’ll just build a fence around Syria and let the idiots inside slaughter each other until there’s a LAST MAN STANDING. And while it’s going on, everyone outside the fence will go on about their business.
October 20th, 2012, 11:01 pm
zoo said:
Strange that no journalist reported that… It is one of the fruits of desperation or a way to incriminate Iran?
Hezbollah firing hundreds of rockets into Syria on daily basis – Syrian rebels
20/10/2012
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=1&id=31524
By Yousef Diab.
Beirut, Asharq Al-Awsat – Syrian opposition forces have accused Hezbollah of actively taking part in the fighting in Syria, claiming that the Lebanese–based Shiite organization is firing hundreds of rockets into Syria on a daily basis.
Speaking exclusively to Asharq Al-Awsat, Syrian opposition Local Coordination Committee-member, Mohamed al-Homsi, accused Hezbollah of “intervening in the fighting alongside the Syrian regime with all of its power” adding “Hezbollah is firing its rockets – the same rockets that it claims are to fight Israel – into Syrian territory to kill Syrian people.”
…
Another activist informed the British newspaper that the rocket attacks began six weeks ago, adding “Hezbollah does this almost every night. It gets heavier when the fighting gets worse here.”
Responding to these accusations, Hezbollah MP Walid Sakaria, strongly denied that Hezbollah was firing any rockets into Syria, stressing that “it would be impossible to fire such rockets without people in the surrounding area hearing or seeing this.”
October 20th, 2012, 11:30 pm
ann said:
Anxious Turks suspect US plot is behind Syria’s implosion – October 20, 2012
Locals in Antakya, bearing the brunt of the fallout from Turkey’s involvement in Syria, believe Ankara is merely a pawn in US plans to foment conflict in the region.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1020/Anxious-Turks-suspect-US-plot-is-behind-Syria-s-implosion
“What’s happening in Syria is all part of America’s great project to reshape the borders of the Middle East. America and its allies don’t care about bringing democracy to the Syrian people. Look at what happened to Iraq!” he fumes. “The imperialist countries are only after oil and mineral resources.”
[…]
October 20th, 2012, 11:30 pm
Syrian said:
ANN; I don’t think Silentio got your drift he is here mostly for language lingos and typos.
Soooo how was your break, some have tried to put some videos in your absence but did not have your touch.
I see also you improved your sources, I’m mean the nytimes is not your usual xchina thing so it look like the break did you good, was there a spcial some one or something?
Anyway that story in the nytimes , I dunno I mean we all know that the syrain mokhabrat need some one to hold their thing when they go to the bathroom
I mean I would not really get so excited at least not yet.
October 20th, 2012, 11:50 pm
zoo said:
#222 Salaheddine
Sorry to contradict you but less publicized is the fact that most of the spy rings uncover were made with the intelligence service of Hezbollah. Are they Arab heroes too?
Hezbollah unravels CIA spy network in Lebanon
http://seattletimes.com/html/politics/2016817370_apushezbollahcia.html
Hezbollah has partially unraveled the CIA’s spy network in Lebanon, severely damaging the intelligence agency’s ability to gather vital information on the terrorist organization at a tense time in the region, former and current U.S. officials said.
“Hezbollah has accused Israel of assassinating a top Hezbollah operative in 2008 in Syria. The group and Lebanese officials say they have broken up several Israeli spy rings inside Lebanon over the past few years. ”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/10/11/israeli-leader-accuses-hezbollah-of-drone-launch/1627315/
Hezbollah ‘helped crush Mossad’ in Lebanon
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/war/israel_lebanon_war/news.php?q=1242074171
Head of Lebanon’s Internal Security Forces (ISF) Ashraf Riffi
A senior Lebanese security official has declared that the security branch of Hezbollah movement has played a key role in detecting the Israeli spies in Lebanon.
Head of Lebanon’s Internal Security Forces (ISF) Ashraf Riffi added that the recent arrests of the Israeli spies have dealt major blows to Israel’s intelligence service Mossad.
October 20th, 2012, 11:50 pm
ann said:
Bismillah! No – we will not let you go – let him go
Oh mama mia, mama mia, mama mia Figaro
Fareed Zakaria GPS : Kofi Annan on intervening in Syria – Oct 19, 2012
October 20th, 2012, 11:51 pm
zoo said:
230. ann
It seems that the Turks are less naive than the Syrian opposition and its supporters who don’t see further than their nose.
They think the USA is a ‘nice’ democracy. Obviously they prefer to ignore the devastating role of the USA in South America and recently in Iraq and they think that the CIA agents are paid to spend their time playing Sudoku and certainly not to plot.
October 20th, 2012, 11:58 pm
ann said:
230. Syrian said:
“”” syrain mokhabrat “”” syrain?!
Posting propaganda lies is aggravating your Dislexia 8)
October 20th, 2012, 11:59 pm
zoo said:
Wissam al-Hassan Assassination: Cui Bono?
Kurt Nimmo
October 19, 2012
http://www.infowars.com/wissam-al-hassan-assassination-cui-bono/
…
In Europe and the United States, the Cedar Revolution was portrayed as a grassroots effort to dislodge Syrian influence. However, other observers believe it was a continuation of CIA engineered color revolutions in the former Soviet Union and the Balkans.
“Mossad and CIA agents jointly engineered waves of anti-Syrian protestors, dubbed by the West the ‘Cedar Revolution’ after Lebanon’s cedar emblazoned flag, along the lines of CIA-NATO engineered ‘color revolutions’ that successfully toppled independent governments and installed pro-American satellite regimes in their stead,” writes Manjit Singh.
….
Contrary to the narrative now emerging in the United States – Syria and Hezbollah are responsible for killing Wissam al-Hassan – the exact opposite is likely true: al-Hassan’s murder is another violent engineered event in sectarian-riven Lebanon and is designed to provide further pretext for turning against Syria and fueling the drive to topple al-Assad and ultimately reduce Shi’ite political influence in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and eventually Iran.
….
Syria and Hezbollah have nothing to gain from recent events attributed to them. Following the attack today, Hezbollah denounced “the horrible crime [as] an attempt against Lebanon’s stability and national unity” and Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi condemned “the terrorist explosion in Beirut’s Ashrafieh” and voiced his “fear that the disagreements between [the Lebanese] would [worsen] because there are those who want to exploit the criminal incident.”
Israeli ambassador Ron Prosor, on the other hand, told a UN Security Council debate on the situation in the Middle East on October 15 that “Iran has provided Hezbollah with the funds, training and advanced weapons to hijack the Lebanese state and transform it into an outpost for terror.”
October 21st, 2012, 12:08 am
zoo said:
Another warning reported by Elias Muhanna a few weeks ago indicates that there is another scenario possible:
“An internal war between the military-intelligence branches.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/10/19/why-wissam-al-hassan-security-official-killed-in-beirut-blast-matters-for-the-middle-east/
• Sectarian tensions within Lebanese security services: Elias Muhanna, a Brown University professor and blogger on Lebanese politics, wrote after Samaha’s August arrest: “There seems to be a hidden war taking place between Lebanon’s military-intelligence branches. So far, there have been few public casualties of that war, but if the stakes keep rising as they did today, that may change rapidly.” He called it “a sectarian rumble looming in Lebanon’s security services.”
October 21st, 2012, 12:14 am
Syrian said:
Zoo 233
I feel your slowing down the tone and the sharpness of your comment as to match the level of ANN’s intellect
October 21st, 2012, 12:19 am
ann said:
233. zoo said:
230. ann
“””It seems that the Turks are less naive than the Syrian opposition”””
ZOO, the inhabitant of Iskenderun (Alexandretta) are not Turks, they are Syrians, and Antakya was once the capital of Syria. These Syrians living under Turkish rule/occupation learned their hard history lesson very well when they were lured to vote for the independence of Iskenderun by the colonialist French which led to the fabrication of their independent country before the Turks scooped them up.
October 21st, 2012, 12:27 am
Visitor said:
Al-Hassan assassination should be analyzed in the wider context as it relates to the state of affairs that Syria has evolved into as a result of the 20-months old Revolution. Talk has been going on for quite some time of impending regime collapse, or alternate plans such as plans B, C, D…etc.
As it is well known the fate of hizbillat in Lebanon is intimately tied to the fate of the Damascus Killing Machine Inc. regime of thugs. Likewise hizbillat is well known to have alternate plans to preserve its status in Lebanon once its ally falls or resorts to its so-called alternate plans.
What does Al-Hassan represent in the political and power establishment reigning in Lebanon? How does his continued presence or elimination hamper or enhance hizbillat’s plans or alternate plans? Answering these questions will not only shed light on the assassination itself, but also at the current state of despair controlling the Damascus Killing Machine Inc. psychology and where it is heading next. Knowing that al-Hassan represented a huge obstacle to hizbillat’s next expected move which is a virtual takeover of the state once its ally is no longer available will silence the sceptics as well as the conspiracy theorists. Here is an article that clearly answers much of the above. Its title is Why Wissam al-Hassan? And it answers the question it poses in its title concisely but with enough details. Sorry for the non-Arabs, I could only find it in Arabic. Sometimes this media would provide a translated post of the same article in one of its English subsidiaries one or two days after it posts it in Arabic. But that is not always the case,
http://www.alarabiya.net/views/2012/10/21/244972.html
So, people of the Great Syrian Revolution, tighten your seatbelts and brace for the wild ride from now on. Not that it hasn’t been wild already, but this is real wild. We are entering phase despair and final fall of the thugs of the Killing Machine to oblivion and lowest hell, their final abode.
.
October 21st, 2012, 12:29 am
Aldendeshe said:
I like shrek’s, but not sherk’s, save the shreks EXTERMINATE the sherks:
October 21st, 2012, 12:30 am
Visitor said:
Syrian @237 said,
“…. comment as to match the level of ANN’s intellect”
Sorry Syrian, did you mean to say, “…. comment as to match the level of ANN’s INSTINCT“?
Remember, we are talking about a Zoo here!!!
October 21st, 2012, 12:37 am
zoo said:
The same hysteria of Syria haters in all over as it was when Hariri was killed. The difference is that now many Syrians join the Lebanese Harirists calling for punishing Syria.
How ironical how they talk of pride and dignity when they are shamelessly begging foreign countries to rescue them by killing their own brothers and destroying their own country.
October 21st, 2012, 12:40 am
ann said:
Twelve Syrian troops killed in Turkey attacks: Turkish media – Sun Oct 21, 2012
Turkish media say the military has fired 87 times on Syria, killing 12 Syrian soldiers in tit-for-tat attacks amid soaring tensions with the Arab neighbor
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/10/21/267895/12-syrian-soldiers-killed-in-turkey-fire/
The figures were revealed on Saturday by a report published in the daily Milliyet newspaper, which also said several Syrian tanks were also destroyed in the strikes.
It claimed that five Syrian tanks, three armored vehicles, one mortar weapon, one ammunition vehicle and two anti-aircraft guns had also been destroyed.
[…]
http://presstv.com/detail/2012/10/21/267895/12-syrian-soldiers-killed-in-turkey-fire/
October 21st, 2012, 12:56 am
Syrialover said:
“How ironical how they talk of pride and dignity when they are shamelessly begging foreign countries to rescue them by killing their own brothers and destroying their own country.” (#242)
What a neat summary of the Assad regime’s posture and relationship with Iran and Russia!
Thanks ZOO.
October 21st, 2012, 1:27 am
Ghufran said:
Wissam, a bold and agressive officer, paid the price for doing his job as any security officer should do, whoever killed him wants to take revenge and tell the Lebanese that they are not allowed to cross the line drawn by more powerful neighbors. I just think it is premature to assume he was killed by hizbullah or the Syrian regime, a third more powerful party, the Mossad, should be a prime suspect and may have indeed committed the crime, frankly speaking , syrian intelligence may have the motive but is too weak and too busy now to pull an operation of this size, they failed to protect their own bosses and regime heads and I find it hard to believe that they are behind this murder. Hizbullah, on the other hand, has the resources but not the motive or the history to do this, such an attack will severely damage whatever left of their credit among lebanese people who saw Wissam as a national hero. Lebanon ,and now syria and iraq (especially kurdstan) is a haven for spies and foreign agents. israel chose a perfect time to hit its target knowing that after Smaha’s arrest by Wissam, that syria will be automatically blamed for his death, holding Miqati responsible for this is a joke, the guy is only alive because nobody sees a need to kill him,this is the Middle East where human lives are cheaper than used shoes.
October 21st, 2012, 1:41 am
Syrian said:
241 visitor
I have to agree completly with you on this one, I did not have to look further than her reply to that unusually dumb comment about the CIA and S.America from the 1970s era then her reply about Turkish Hatay
BTW ZOO,earlier someone let Warren out of his cage also.
October 21st, 2012, 1:50 am
Ghufran said:
Here is a political prostitute from Lebanon, the fact that he is a Shia made him more attractive for his employer(s). Future movement lied about his location and his job:
http://observers.me/2012/09/09/uqab-saqr-hariri-and-saudi-man-in-turkey/
October 21st, 2012, 2:02 am
Syrian said:
Supporters always say it is early to tell and give time for investigation.
So how about 37 years old assassination are you finally ready to say that Assad the father killed Kamal Jinblat?
or dose Wessam has to wait that long also to give us the abvoius answer?
October 21st, 2012, 2:05 am
Syrialover said:
The game revealed?
The “ANN” (acronym for a team?) posts are suddenly in a very different voice and style than before.
The complex lesson in Turkish history in #243 and other latest posts are definitely not the same voice that’s been posting crude insults, sick videos and dumb remarks here for months.
Change of team member?
Check back and it’s quite obvious.
October 21st, 2012, 5:12 am
Citizen said:
drink more and mor blood! barbarians !unmet killers!
Breaking news
At least 10 killed, dozens injured in Damascus car bombing amid UN peace envoy visit
http://rt.com/news/powerful-blast-damascus-syria-883/
October 21st, 2012, 6:22 am
Citizen said:
War in Syria Will Lead to New World Order: Lebanese Christian Leader Michel Aoun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMwLVvaNtXY
Lebanese former military commander-in-chief, Michel Aoun, is interviewed by Syrian State TV on Oct 11, 2012. During the interview, Aoun gives his opinion on the conflict in Syria. He says that the Syrian government will not be toppled, and that this war will put an end to the rise of Islamic extremism in the Arab world. He also believes that a New World Order will emerge as a result of the Syrian conflict, stating that World War III will most likely occur if the ongoing attack against Syria runs out of fuel without it leading to the toppling of its government.
October 21st, 2012, 7:18 am
Citizen said:
which one knows is true just by scanning the copy of anything they write.
Interchangeable with newsweek and time magazine.
They know that 95% of the `rebels` are not Syrian nationals, but ignore that and start the copy with, `Syrian rebels . . . `.
They also know that in recent months small groups of western commandos have entered Syria to do just this kind of demolition work, for which they have training and experience, but Anti war still ignores that, and starts off with `Syrian rebels . . ‘.
Running around, waving a AK47 about, firing wild bursts from it, is relatively easy to do, to then get easily killed when in range of trained Syrian troops, for these demented Jihadis are the distraction, under cover of which the western commandos move in on temporarily lightly guarded critical facilities.
So we know who anti war is now, and although Justin Raimondo had good stuff there when it was his sole operation, it certainly has gone to the devil since he took the devil’s coin and became only one of many there.
Outright invasion ? The Turks will be holding back realising that the western powers will be more than happy for them to take the brunt of a Iranian response, while themselves only supplying the Turks with materiel and logistics and communications, but not massed divisions of troops on the ground.
So, nothing will happen. Better that the west pull their commandos out, as they haven’t re thought through their strategy, now that the Turks have figured out their game, and make amends with Assad.
October 21st, 2012, 7:26 am
Albo said:
Syria: Explosion hits Damascus, 10 killed
A powerful explosion hit Damascus on Sunday, killing 10 people on a day when the U.N. peace envoy was visiting the Syrian capital for talks with President Bashar Assad on the crisis.
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I wonder where is the Christian poster who complained about the regime’s methods and the destruction of his home given how his folks get bombed every other Sunday.
His was most certainly a collateral damage, while the intent of the bomber here is pretty clear and the location carefully selected, dead kouffar are extra bonus, if not the main goal.
Well he can take relief and remember that they, at least, fight for better tomorrows: Ikhwanistan, the wave of the future. lol
October 21st, 2012, 7:42 am
Warren said:
Egyptian President Morsi Joins Preacher in Prayer for Destruction and Dispersal of the Jews
October 21st, 2012, 7:58 am
Warren said:
Israel Welcomes Egypt President Mohammed Morsi with Caution: Islamists to Respect Peace Treaty
October 21st, 2012, 8:03 am
Albo said:
I told you so in my post #2
U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks
Published: October 20, 2012
WASHINGTON — The United States and Iran have agreed in principle for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?ref=world
This comes out probably to annoy Obama before the third debate on foreign policy, but still
As several military experts explained at length, any aerial campaign on Iran wouldn’t end the enrichment program, just delay it slightly. Despite all its rhetoric, the US is thinking hard about the need for a deal and it isn’t speculation based on thin air, as this leak confirms.
October 21st, 2012, 8:33 am
Warren said:
Netanyahu Syria Golan Heights negotiation
October 21st, 2012, 8:37 am
Warren said:
Origins of The Muslim Brotherhood
October 21st, 2012, 8:54 am
zoo said:
Albo, Citizen
The bomb is Bab Touma, mainly christian area, is the Islamists terrorists retaliation for the killing of their “hero” in Lebanon who, for months, has helped them getting weapons to kill Syrians.
October 21st, 2012, 9:03 am
Warren said:
The Muslim Brotherhood Reborn
The Syrian Uprising
As Syrian president Bashar al-Assad struggles to contend with a massive popular uprising, the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood (SMB) is poised to dominate whatever coalition of forces manages to unseat the Baathist regime. Though in many ways the Brotherhood’s official political platform is a model of Islamist moderation and tolerance, it is less a window into the group’s thinking than a reflection of its political tactics. Unlike its parent organization, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, which often kept its ideological opponents at arm’s length, the SMB has repeatedly forged alliances with secular dissident groups even as it secretly tried to negotiate a deal with the Assad regime to allow its return from exile. Since the moderation of its political platform over the past two decades has clearly been intended to facilitate this triangulation, it does not tell us much about the ultimate intentions of the Syrian Brotherhood.
http://www.meforum.org/3198/syria-muslim-brotherhood
October 21st, 2012, 9:05 am
zoo said:
A hero or a savvy double-agent?
Profile: Wissam al-Hassan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20004476
….
A few years after Hariri’s death in a massive car bomb in 2005, there were reports that Mr Hassan was suspected of involvement.
As Mr Hariri’s chief of protocol, he would normally have been in the convoy that was hit by the blast but had taken the day off to take a university exam.
UN investigators were reported in 2010 to have found this alibi unlikely, but Mr Hariri’s son Saad said he had always had full confidence in Mr Hassan.
The following year, Mr Hassan was not among those indicted by the UN-backed tribunal. Instead, prosecutors sought the arrest of four members of the pro-Syrian Shia Islamist movement, Hezbollah.
Elias Muhanna, a professor at Brown University in the US and editor of the Qifa Nabki blog on Lebanese politics, said the allegations were a “strange, unexplained aspect” of Mr Hassan’s past, but had not dented his standing in the Sunni community.
…
October 21st, 2012, 9:10 am
zoo said:
Ann
Our local Oprah Winfrey is watching you as she has been watching every single of my comments to regurgitate a brilliant psychological interpretation, not of the situation in Syria, that she is incapable to do, but of the supposed motivation of some commenters.
“Oprah” is following day after day the psychological evolution of only the commenters who disagree with her basic political view.
After our local strategist, our TV serial addict, we have now our local Oprah, that’s achievement KL should be proud of.
October 21st, 2012, 9:26 am
Tara said:
Zoo,
“has helped them getting weapons to kill Syrians.”
Zoo, I am disappointed. I am used to you offering genuine opinions not propaganda. Do you have even subtle evidence to the allegation above?
October 21st, 2012, 9:28 am
Tara said:
The youngest son weeping… Hassan died as a hero but his killer will die like a fat rat in a Syrian sewer and will not have a funeral.
Syria denounced at Beirut funeral rally for slain official
By Angus MacSwan | Reuters – 32 mins ago
BEIRUT (Reuters) – Thousands of people mourned an assassinated senior intelligence officer at his funeral on Sunday, accusing Syria of involvement in the killing and calling for Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati to quit.
Heavily armed troops and police stood guard as people flocked to Martyrs’ Square in central Beirut for the funeral ceremony.
Many waved the sky-blue flag of the Sunni-based opposition Future Party. Others carried Lebanon’s cedar tree national flag but Syrian rebel flags and black Islamist banners were also seen.
One banner read “Go, go Najib” echoing the slogans of the Arab Spring.
…..
Hassan’s wife and two sons, the youngest weeping, listened as he was eulogized by the head of police, Ashraf Rifi, and President Michel Suleiman.
Suleiman said the government and people must work “shoulder to shoulder” to overcome the challenges posed by the killing.
“I tell the judiciary do not hesitate, the people are with you, and I tell the security be firm, the people are with you, with you. And I tell the politicians and the government do not provide cover to the perpetrator.”
In keeping with custom for state funerals, church bells pealed as police officers carried the flag-draped coffins of Hassan and his bodyguard to the mosque through chanting crowds. Moslem prayers were broadcast by loudspeaker from the mosque.
…
Mikati himself said he suspected Hassan’s assassination was linked to his role in uncovering Syrian involvement in the August bomb plot.
http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-gather-beirut-funeral-slain-official-100632280.html
October 21st, 2012, 9:50 am
zoo said:
263. Tara
It’s no secret that Hariri and his Future movement have been providing funds from Saudi Arabia and facilitated the transfer of weapons to rebels.
Just read Ghufran’s post #248 on Okab Sakr.
Al Hassan is part of that movement and had lot of powers to allow or stop this traffic. Until recently he was allowing it. His hatred for Syria is similar to Hariris’ and many Lebanese.
I find this guy very suspicious and the whole scenario on Samaha he presented based on a mysterious witness who disappeared (like the Siddik false witness in the Hariri case) is still unconvincing.
Read the article #204 from french investigative journalist Malbrunot that goes the same way.
I think there is much more behind this ‘hero’ than it appears.
October 21st, 2012, 9:53 am
zoo said:
Tunisia’s Ghannouchi dark Salafist face revealed
Ghannouchi reveals all
Michael Weiss, October 20, 2012
To read more: http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=448513&MID=12&PID=2#ixzz29wTUAMaUO
A secret video was leaked last week, probably recorded in February or March, showing the En-Nahda founder having an informal mentoring session with members of different Tunisian Islamic associations. He outlines his strategy for the slow consolidation of Islamist power, recounting the free advice he’s dispensed to En-Nahda’s supposed extremist rivals, the Salafists, here depicted as overzealous kindred who show a lot of potential. “Do not rush things. I tell the Salafist youth,” he says. “We all went through the same and we suffered. Now you want to have a TV, radio, schools and invite the preachers. Why are you rushing things?” The real threat to the country’s post-Ben Ali future, Ghannouchi explains, is the electoral victory of the secularists.
…
Except that Ghannouchi has long been a hardline extremist, as Oren Kessler documented in a recent report about En-Nahda. He backed Saddam Hussein’s annexation of Kuwait in 1991 (“joining together two Arab states out of twenty-two, praise be to God.”). As for the power that kicked Saddam out, Ghannouchi had this to say: “We must wage unceasing war against the Americans until they leave the land of Islam.” He reassured the leaderships of Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad in Tehran in 1990 that “the greatest danger to civilization, religion and world peace is the United States. It is the Great Satan.” He described the Oslo Accords as a “Jewish-American plan encompassing the entire region, which would cleanse it of all resistance and open it to Jewish economic and cultural activity,
To read more: http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=448513&MID=12&PID=2#ixzz29wTAafzy
Only 25% of a given NOW Lebanon article can be republished. For information on republishing rights from NOW Lebanon: http://www.nowlebanon.com/Sub.aspx?ID=125478
October 21st, 2012, 10:03 am
zoo said:
A useful boost to Obama’s election? Iran wants Obama to stay.
U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks
By HELENE COOPER and MARK LANDLER
Published: October 20, 2012 83
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2_20121021&_r=0
WASHINGTON — The United States and Iran have agreed in principle for the first time to one-on-one negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, according to Obama administration officials, setting the stage for what could be a last-ditch diplomatic effort to avert a military strike on Iran.
Iranian officials have insisted that the talks wait until after the presidential election, a senior administration official said, telling their American counterparts that they want to know with whom they would be negotiating.
News of the agreement — a result of intense, secret exchanges between American and Iranian officials that date almost to the beginning of President Obama’s term — comes at a critical moment in the presidential contest, just two weeks before Election Day and the weekend before the final debate, which is to focus on national security and foreign policy.
It has the potential to help Mr. Obama make the case that he is nearing a diplomatic breakthrough in the decade-long effort by the world’s major powers to curb Tehran’s nuclear ambitions, but it could pose a risk if Iran is seen as using the prospect of the direct talks to buy time.
October 21st, 2012, 10:08 am
zoo said:
Tara
You said:
“The youngest son weeping… Hassan died as a hero but his killer will die like a fat rat in a Syrian sewer and will not have a funeral. ”
Same words were heard 7 years ago when Hariri was killed. I am not sure if any of the numerous “fat rats in a Syrian sewer ” is one of the killer.
October 21st, 2012, 10:13 am
Observer said:
The Syrian Pound is falling further this is the official rate so the unofficial rate must be a lot higher this is from the horse’s mouth
http://www.champress.net/index.php?q=ar/Article/view/9495
October 21st, 2012, 10:14 am
Tara said:
Zoo,
The fat rats are cats with seven lives, Funny you said 7 years. May be it is time this year.
The question now is if Samah’s case going to die with Wissam assassination? Are we not going to see Buthina behind bars? What do you think about Bouthina?
October 21st, 2012, 10:27 am
Tara said:
Now that Iran feeling the bite of the economic sanctions and wants to talk, may be they are also ready to sell off Batta?
October 21st, 2012, 10:42 am
Juergen said:
Wasn`t Dschumblat once Assads best buddy and best marionette on lebanese soil? Even this bigot has left him and his brutal regime now, aparently that move serves him well.
Walid Dschumblat compares Assad to an ape.
October 21st, 2012, 11:03 am
Citizen said:
A classic MOSSAD operation.
Clashes in Beirut as security chief mourners attempt to storm govt HQ
http://rt.com/news/lebanon-hassan-funeral-rally-885/
A classic U.S. alliance operation.
At least 13 killed, dozens injured in Damascus car bombing amid UN peace envoy visit (VIDEO, PHOTOS)
http://rt.com/news/powerful-blast-damascus-syria-883/
A classic U.S. alliance operation.
Twin Iraq blasts kill eight in Baghdad Shi’ite district
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news/international/Twin_Iraq_blasts_kill_eight_in_Baghdad_Shiite_district.html?cid=33773332
A classic MOSSAD and U.S. alliance operation..
Jordanian police say large explosion hits shopping mall in nation’s capital
http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1065433/jordanian-police-say-large-explosion-hits-shopping-mall-nations-capital
A classic U.S. alliance operation.
At least 27 killed, over 70 injured in three blasts that rocked Aleppo
http://rt.com/news/powerful-blast-damascus-syria-883/
October 21st, 2012, 11:11 am
zoo said:
Tara
I worry that Samaha be murdered soon. Of course, his death will be immediately imputated to Syria, while, if my suspicions are correct, the investigation, if done honestly, may unravel the manipulation and attempt of framing Samaha by the Lebanese intelligence under Al Hassan and Riffi control, both adamant enemies of Syria, Iran and Hezbollah and both part of Hariri’s “future” movement affiliated to Saudi Arabia.
I don’t know much about rumors of Butheina involvement in Samaha’s affair. I think the whole story sound absurd. Why would Samaha carry bombs through a border when they are easily in Lebanon?
Why has the only witness for the prosecution disappeared? Why such a high rank person like Buthaina will burn herself by carelessly dealing directly with terrorist acts…
This tireless wave of Syria demonization rumors by some newspapers (remember the Al Arabya scoop of the Turkish pilots tortured and dumped back in the sea) are far too gross for me to believe them anymore.
Only time will get us closer to the truth, not the media emotional outbursts.
October 21st, 2012, 11:40 am
zoo said:
Juergen
“Walid Dschumblat compares Assad to an ape.”
Jumblatt is already in the zoo, he is a rare specimen of marmoset
October 21st, 2012, 11:48 am
ann said:
261. zoo said:
Ann
Our local Oprah Winfrey
You mean our NOVO RICH
😀
October 21st, 2012, 11:48 am
syrain said:
ZOO.
I see you let all your vermin out early today,
I’m not going to waste my Sunday on you,
You stay put in your cubical with the rest of your team, I hope your getting paid enough
October 21st, 2012, 11:51 am
zoo said:
#271 Tara
Quite the contrary. An Iranian rapprochement with the USA will benefit greatly the government of Syria.
I guess Saudi Arabia and Qatar are dreading that this happens, they prefer to see Iran suffer than becoming more powerful if and when the US sanctions are removed. I guess they’ll try all they can to prevent this to happen, like increasing rumors that Hezbollah is involved in Syria’s fighting and is accomplice to the killing of Wissam Al Hassan.
Check the wave of rumors coming…
October 21st, 2012, 11:58 am
zoo said:
How many nick names using the word SYRIA ( even with some dyslexy) Oprah would use to sound different with the same message?
October 21st, 2012, 12:04 pm
AJ said:
Assad soldier forcing a man to worship Bashar Assad
October 21st, 2012, 12:04 pm
zoo said:
Tara
Here we are, rumors are starting to come…’exceedingly likely’.. “bracing for the worst”…
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/comment/hizbollahs-naked-aggression-strips-away-resistance-facade
“Hizbollah denies any role in Friday’s car-bomb attack, but its record makes it exceedingly likely that the “Party of God” was somehow involved in this recent murder. Many have argued that Gen Al Hassan was killed to settle a score relating to his role in the arrest of Michel Samaha, an Assad apparatchik who was caught planning a domestic bombing campaign during the summer. In fact, Gen Al Hassan was probably targeted because of his growing security role that had started to threaten Hizbollah’s unrivalled control of Lebanon’s intelligence apparatus.
If Gen Al Hassan was killed by Hizbollah, as many have argued, he was not their first Sunni victim. Before him, former prime minister Rafiq Hariri, a bigger-than-life figure, was also assassinated, in 2005 by four Hizbollah operatives, according to the indictment issued by the UN-created Special Tribunal for Lebanon.”
…
Hizbollah clearly fears no fallout from Gen Al Hassan’s murder. For the Party of God, this is a war that is a continuation of more than a millennium of fighting. Whether Lebanon’s Sunnis and the world can prove any links between Hizbollah operatives and the Hassan assassination may be irrelevant.
Hizbollah is bracing for the worst anyway.
October 21st, 2012, 12:14 pm
ann said:
Death toll of Damascus’ blast climbs to 13 – 2012-10-21
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/21/c_131920443.htm
DAMASCUS, Oct. 21 (Xinhua) — Syria’s state TV said 13 people were killed and 29 others injured in the blast that struck a time- honored square in the Syrian capital Damascus earlier on Sunday.
A booby-trapped car with an explosive device under it, went off Sunday morning near a police station at Bab Tuma district in the Damascus, sources told Xinhua.
[…]
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-10/21/c_131920443.htm
October 21st, 2012, 12:15 pm
zoo said:
The New-York Times is lying or Obama wants to keep it secret so as not to displease Iran’s oil rich enemies?
White House denies plans for one-on-one talks with Iran
21/10/2012
WASHINGTON, (Reuters) – The White House on Saturday denied a New York Times report that said the United States and Iran had agreed for the first time to one-on-one negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program, saying it remained committed to working with major powers to resolve the standoff.
The Times, quoting unnamed Obama administration officials, said earlier on Saturday the two sides had agreed to bilateral talks after secret exchanges between U.S. and Iranian officials. Iran had insisted the talks not begin until after the Nov. 6 U.S. election because they want to know which U.S. president they would be negotiating with, the newspaper said.
The White House moved quickly to deny the report, which came two days before President Barack Obama is due to face his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, in a debate focused on foreign policy.
“It’s not true that the United States and Iran have agreed to one-on-one talks or any meeting after the American elections,” National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement.
“We continue to work with the P5+1 on a diplomatic solution and have said from the outset that we would be prepared to meet bilaterally.”
October 21st, 2012, 12:17 pm
zoo said:
I sincerely hope that Abdul-Moneim Abul-Foutouh will replace fake Morsi soon enough. He seems to be what Egypt needs, a unifier.
The Presidency Causes a Rift in Egyptian Brotherhood
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/presidency-causes-rift-egyptian-brotherhood
Discontent among the youth of the Muslim Brotherhood over the policies of the group continues to mount, most recently with the defection of 600 members – in conjunction with dozens of sons of prominent movement leaders – who have announced their plans to join Abdul-Moneim Abul-Fotouh’s party.
October 21st, 2012, 12:23 pm
ann said:
Blast in Syrian capital kills at least 13 – 10/21/2012
http://www.sbsun.com/ci_21822488/syria-explosion-hits-old-city-quarter
A taxi rigged with explosives blew up near a police station in the Syrian capital Sunday, killing at least 13 people even as the U.N. envoy to the nation’s crisis was visiting Damascus to push his call for a cease-fire in talks with President Bashar Assad.
Syria’s SANA state news agency said 29 people were also wounded in the blast in the Bab Touma neighborhood, a popular shopping district largely inhabited by Syria’s Christian minority.
Once largely immune to the violence that has swept over Syria since the anti-Assad revolt began in March 2011, Damascus has become a frequent target of bombings in recent months. There was no immediate claim of responsibility for Sunday’s blast, but Islamist groups fighting alongside the rebels have claimed to be behind bomb attacks against security targets in the capital.
Two Syrian officials speaking from the scene said the taxi blew up 50 meters (yards) from Bab Touma’s main police station. The officials insisted on anonymity because they were not allowed to brief the media.
An Associated Press reporter at the site of the blast said blood stained the street and sidewalks, shards of glass littered the pavement from shattered shop windows and the charred hulks of at least four cars littered the street.
Vegetable vendor Mohammad Hanbali, 27, said several people wounded in the blast were lying on the street when he rushed to help.
“It’s a cowardly act, carried out by terrorists,” said Hanbali, who was hit by a piece of shrapnel in the left leg.
Elsewhere, in the northern city of Aleppo, a suicide bomber detonated his explosive-laden car in front of the French-Syrian Hospital at al-Zohour Street, causing material damage, but no casualties, SANA said. It said the blast wounded several passers-by, but did not disclose their number.
[…]
http://www.sbsun.com/ci_21822488/syria-explosion-hits-old-city-quarter
October 21st, 2012, 12:28 pm
AJ said:
Funny how many keep their mouths shut when Assad forces murder, rape and execute fellow Syrians but are quick to criticize Assad`s critics if they haven`t dotted their “i” and crossed their “t”.
The difference between the Assad lovers and haters is that the later will never have a problem in criticizing the SNC, the UN, the US, the FSA and Turkey, KSA, Qatar, etc.
You`ll never hear an Assad supported say one negative word about Assad, Putin or Ahmadinajad.
How can we seriously have a dialogue with people who refuse to acknowledge the crimes committed by this regime? I commend Tara for being so patient and diplomatic.
Syrians have the right to defend themselves BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. We tried to talk, we tried getting UN help, now FIGHTING IS NECESSARY. It`s a shame it had to come to this, but that seems to be the only language these “people” understand.
What a shame that people`s worshipping of one man can lead to all this bloodshed.
October 21st, 2012, 12:56 pm
Tara said:
Zoo
Did you see Juergen’s link of Jumblat’s speech??????? ???!
October 21st, 2012, 1:02 pm
Ghufran said:
I witnessed an exchange of words between two Syrians, one was from Bab Touma ( the sight of the bombing today) and the other was from Reef Dimashq ( thawraji), the first guy, known to be a harsh critic of Assad, asked how those bombings will help Syria, the Thawraji gave a long answer moving from accusing the regime of doing it to insisting that only military targets are hit by the rebels, the guy from Bab Touma short reply was:
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October 21st, 2012, 1:19 pm
Albo said:
Funny how you see islamist filth raising Al Qaeda flags for Al Hassan’s funeral, the more they expose themselves the better, same for those who log here, NSA bots are automatically collecting data on them, written and audio, who they associate with, where they browse etc…setting up profiles that could be put to good use some day, same on skype and phones there’s nowhere to hide and that’s not a conspiracy but reality.
Websites and pages discussing Syria are filled with them, those who talk openly and their sympathizers and appeasers alike, that will make good catches.
October 21st, 2012, 1:23 pm
Tara said:
AJ,
“The difference between the Assad lovers and haters is that the later will never have a problem in criticizing the SNC, the UN, the US, the FSA and Turkey, KSA, Qatar, etc.
You`ll never hear an Assad supported say one negative word about Assad, Putin or Ahmadinajad.”
You are absolutely correct. We are free people. They have enslaved themselves, completely submitted to Batta’s line word for word with absolute no independent thinking.
October 21st, 2012, 1:31 pm
ann said:
Syria strife tests Alawites living in Turkey – 21 Oct 2012
‘Betrayed’
After the Ottoman Empire collapsed during WWI, France then occupying Syria, helped Turkey gain control over Hatay in the 1930s. The region had been considered part of Syria, but France was eager to win Turkey over to the allies’ side in WWII.
Furious by what they felt was the theft of much of their Arab territory, many Alawites and other Arabs left the area for Syria.
The Alawites who stayed behind became part of the Turkish state, founded on the strong secularism of Kemal Ataturk, its first president.
But today, Alawites in Turkey feel betrayed by a government they say is acting against their interests by supporting armed groups.
“We are Turkish citizens and the owners of this land, we have to ask why we’re not getting support from our government [like the Syrian opposition is],” Maktap said.
“Instead we see rebels firing bullets at the government that has supported us.”
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210217225938535.html
October 21st, 2012, 1:39 pm
AJ said:
288. ALBO said:
“those who talk openly and their sympathizers and appeasers alike, that will make good catches.”
Is that a threat? Typical Shabi7a language. Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
October 21st, 2012, 1:44 pm
Sami said:
LOSING SYRIA (AND HOW TO AVOID IT)
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Syria as a nation-state is crumbling. As President Bashar al-Assad simultaneously intensifies a brutal onslaught against its own people and loses control of broad swathes of the country, both the Syrian regime and its opponents are proving unable to provide for basic civilian needs. With the acceler- ation in the militarization of the uprising, we are approaching what increasingly looks like a failed state scenario, or, in the words of one defected senior commander, “a free for all.” Perceptions of the regime’s loss of legitimacy have spread; recent expressions of Alawi discontent, including clashes in Assad’s hometown of Qardaha, suggest cracks even in what some imagined to be an immovable regime constituency. With no transition process in place, however, the failure of the political opposition to organize effectively and present a widely accepted alternative to Assad’s rule remains as stark as ever. Instead we see a growing power vacuum, one that threatens to create mutually reinforcing sectarian conflicts from Lebanon to Iraq.
Limited progress is being made toward the ouster of President Assad. The armed rebellion is gaining ground, but liberated areas in the north and west of the country remain vulnerable to regime attacks; they also suffer from weak governance structures and a severe lack of resources. Further threats come in the form of sectarian strife in mixed areas and deepening rivalries between armed groups. Compounding these problems is the inability of the external opposition to convince many Syrians inside the country, particularly the Alawi and Christian communities, of their vision for a democratic Syria. New initiatives to establish a broad based and representative national platform are still struggling to overcome the infighting that undermined previous efforts. In the meantime, Syria is steadily being lost.
The United States and Europe, in partnership with key regional states, must play a larger part in stemming the increasingly dangerous dimensions of the Syrian conflict. The reluctance of the United States to pursue difficult – but likely more effective – policy options, as well as the obvious divisions within the international community, are making a bad situation worse. This paper puts forward five policy principles to help revitalize the partnership between Syrians fighting for change and their supporters in the international community:
1. The unification of the Syrian people around a national project to rebuild the country. The Syrian opposition and its international partners must work to support representative opposition bodies, including the Follow-Up and Communications Committee and the proposed Syrian Provisional Council. There are no shortcuts to creating functional opposition institutions, however, and support must not be unconditional; rather, it should be premised on these bodies’ inclusivity and internal good governance.
2. A U.S.-led effort to unify international channels of lethal and non-lethal support to opposition groups. To avoid a longterm destabilization of Syria and the region, the United States should work with its allies to create a unified, controlled flow of weapons and other support to the Syrian opposition. Measures should include the integra- tion of defected Syrian army officers and the merg- ing of existing outlets for military aid under a clear command structure. The United States and its allies must aim to create a single, functioning rebel army that can continue to contribute to the Syria’s stability and security during a post-Assad transition period.
3. Support for community-led projects within Syria that promote opposition unity and cross- sectarian ties. Efforts like the safe zone Sweida’s Druze have proposed for displaced Sunnis should be supported and, where possible, scaled up and replicated across the country.
4. Credible dialogue on Syria’s Kurdish ques- tion. The international community must take all necessary steps, up to and including the involvement of neighboring states and the establishment of an internationally recognized special commission, to reach a sustainable resolution to the status of Syria’s Kurds.
5. Coordinated efforts to plan for the post-Assad transition. There is a pressing need to better syn- chronize Syrian opposition planning and interna- tional efforts, which must range from supporting local governance efforts in “liberated” towns and villages in the country’s north and west to joint United Nations-Arab League leadership on “day after” planning. In particular, UN planning efforts must be linked to Syrian ones, including those of the Follow-Up and Communications Committee, with bodies such as the proposed Syrian Provincial Council playing a coordinating role.
Inaction by the United States and the international community is making what should be a real and achievable goal – a democratic Syria in which the rights of all communities are guaranteed – substantially more difficult to achieve. Concrete steps such as the ones above must be taken immediately, before possible outcomes for Syria become even grimmer. Moreover, these steps should be taken with the knowledge that the work of hastening the regime’s fall is inextricably linked to preparations for what will follow.
[…]
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Research/Files/Papers/2012/10/18%20losing%20syria%20shaikh/18%20losing%20syria%20shaikh.pdf
October 21st, 2012, 1:46 pm
ann said:
Syria strife tests Alawites living in Turkey – 21 Oct 2012
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210217225938535.html
“When something is happening in Syria we feel it,” said 31-year-old Kemal sitting in a park in central Samandag. “We have Turkish citizenship, but our origins are Arab.”
Kemal dislikes Saudi Arabia’s arming of opposition movements inside Syria. His criticism also extended to other Gulf and western governments he believes are partaking in a larger “American game” to exert further control over the Middle East.
As the effects of the Syrian conflict spill across its northern border into Hatay and other neighbouring provinces, Kemal’s views largely reflect those held by the larger Alawite community in Turkey.
Residents of Hatay were outraged when the Free Syrian Army, the main umbrella organisation fighting against the Syrian government, on its website claimed its main base to be “Hatay, Turkey”. After complaints to Turkish officials, it was later changed to “Damascus, Syria”.
The Apaydin refugee camp near Antakya houses dozens of former Syrian army generals and hundreds of army defectors, and is the suspected location of FSA commander Riad al-Assad.
“The Turkish government is not supporting a democratic transition in Syria, it’s supporting armed groups,” Matkap said.
“We believe the Syrian regime is not democratic, but using weapons and the tactic of war is not a legitimate method to oppose it.”
[…]
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210217225938535.html
October 21st, 2012, 1:46 pm
ann said:
Syria strife tests Alawites living in Turkey – 21 Oct 2012
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210217225938535.html
As time progressed, Makttap and others began organizing protests in Antakya against the government’s support for the armed opposition in Syria. He admitted that the overwhelming majority of the thousands of protesters were Alawites.
Makttap said Alawites have faced persecution since the time of Selim I, a 16th century Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, and today still feel marginalized in Turkish society.
After a number of large demonstrations in early September, the local governor banned all protests in Hatay as reports started to emerge of sectarian tensions between Alawites and Sunni Muslims in Antakya.
[…]
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/10/201210217225938535.html
October 21st, 2012, 1:55 pm
ann said:
“chickens are coming home to roost” 8)
Jordan foils major terror plot, officials say – Sun October 21, 2012
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/21/world/meast/jordan-terror-plot-foiled/
Jordan’s intelligence department fouled “a major terrorist plot” that targeted “shopping centers, residential areas, diplomats and foreign nationals” in Jordan, the country’s state news agency reported Sunday.
The terrorists called their plan “9/11 (2),” suggesting it was set to happen on the seventh anniversary of the last al Qaeda attack in Jordan when suicide bombs exploded in an Amman hotel November 9, 2005, the report said.
The plot, which was in the preliminary stages, involved “a group of 11 terrorists associated with the ideology of al Qaeda,” Petra reported.
All 11 suspects are Jordanian citizens who moved in and out of Syria, government spokesman Samih al-Maaytah said on state television Sunday.
“The group had intended to take advantage of what they believed was the Intelligence ‘preoccupation’ with other files, to carry out their plans,” Petra reported.
The plans included “using explosives, booby-trapped cars as well as submachine guns and mortars,” it said.
Suicide bombers were being selected to carry out attacks against two major shopping malls “in order to draw the attention of the security services away from” the “main objectives in Abdoun, in West Amman,” the report said.
“Their objective was to create a highly destructive explosive that would cause the highest number of casualties and extensive physical damage,” Petra reported. “They had planned to bring TNT explosives and mortar shells from Syria, exploiting the ongoing crisis there.”
[…]
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/21/world/meast/jordan-terror-plot-foiled/
October 21st, 2012, 2:05 pm
Tara said:
Ann,
I have excellent news for you. Ther are opening classes to help with reading comprehension, your long term problem. Check with your township. Guaranteed to achieve a 50% comprehension rate for challenged individual. You go girl.
October 21st, 2012, 2:11 pm
ann said:
292. Sami said:
“”” LOSING SYRIA (AND HOW TO AVOID IT) “””
BROOKINGS is a PRO `israel institution.
October 21st, 2012, 2:14 pm
ann said:
Is there a lonely draft in here or am I feeling a NOVO RICH coming
😀
October 21st, 2012, 2:19 pm
AJ said:
296. ANN said:
“292. Sami said:
“”” LOSING SYRIA (AND HOW TO AVOID IT) “””
BROOKINGS is a PRO `israel institution.”
That coming from a person who supports a regime that has caused terror in every single neighbouring country EXCEPT Israel, who claims to be pro-resistance but has killed more Arabs in 1 year than Israel in the past 10..
No one is more pro-Israel than the Assad Regime. It just pretends to be pro-resistance while doing Israel`s dirty work on the ground.
October 21st, 2012, 2:23 pm
ann said:
Syria Discloses List of Foreign Prisoners – 20/10/2012
http://en.rian.ru/world/20121020/176771111.html
Syria has handed the United Nations a list of 108 foreign citizens arrested by the Syrian authorities over their alleged involvement in terrorism.
Syrian Permanent Ambassador to the UN Bashar Jaafari sent the list and a letter, dated October 18, to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and Security Council Chairman Gert Rosenthal.
“The list explains the reasons behind each individual’s arrest in connection with their involvement in terrorism in Syria,” read the letter, which was made available to journalists late Friday.
[…]
http://en.rian.ru/world/20121020/176771111.html
October 21st, 2012, 2:40 pm
Albo said:
291. AJ
Not a threat, a simple observation.
Read up about ECHELON.
October 21st, 2012, 2:43 pm
ann said:
In Syria’s List of 108 Foreign Fighters, Traffic in Arms & People, Al Qaeda
By Matthew Russell Lee
UNITED NATIONS, October 20 — Syria on October 19 turned in to the UN Security Council a list of “108 foreign nationals who were arrested by the Syrian authorities” on charges of terrorism. Inner City Press on October 19 obtained the October 19 cover letter and list, and put them online here.
The list includes 20 from Lebanon, a dozen Iraqis, 44 Tunisians, nine Jordanians and nine Palestinians; the rest are Libyans, Syrians or of dual nationality.
There are allegations of bomb-making, erecting false police roadblocks, and kidnap for ransom. The finger is also pointed at the “An-Nahda Salafist party” in Egypt as being built up by Al Qaeda.
A sample, 33rd out of the 108: Mohamed Houssine Faress — “joined armed group” and contributed weapons — and fighter and journalist — trafficking from Lebanon. Alleged kidnapper.
Back in May, Syria turned in a list of 26 foreign fighters, on which Inner City Press also first reported.
Since then, the Security Council has had much to say about terrorism, and armed groups with external support, most recently in a Friday afternoon, French-drafted Presidential Statement condemning any outside support to an armed group – M23 – in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
In that conflict, the UN and its Group of Experts make much of uniforms and contested ID cards which they say prove the foreignness or outside support of armed groups.
[…]
http://www.innercitypress.com/syria1annahda102012.html
October 21st, 2012, 2:47 pm
ann said:
All Praise be to Allah the One, Allah the Eternal, neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, nor is there to Him any equivalent.
Here’s the List of 108 Mercenary Terrorists “Foreign Fighters”, Traffic in Arms & People, Al Qaeda
http://www.innercitypress.com/syria1fnicp101912.pdf
October 21st, 2012, 2:48 pm
Observer said:
I am sorry to post like Alawi News Network ANN
But this is a nice book annoucement
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October 21st, 2012, 2:49 pm
Syrialover said:
This forum is currently 80% a cats chorus of Zoo, Citizen, Ann (acronym for a team?), Warren and Albo – all rostered on together with their sneering anti-Syrian and Sunni-hating scripts to sing.
Time they got their own blog, but they know nobody would visit it.
But the audiences and contributors of this forum (dwindling due to their presence) have an automated antenna and off-switch for their stuff.
October 21st, 2012, 2:59 pm
Visitor said:
AJ,
Your comments are worthy of consideration. But I noticed comment 276 and decided to put off any comments for the moment in order not to waste my precious Sunday on this site of mostly contributors of amateurish sophists. May respond at a later time.
Sami,
Your post is also worthy of consideration. But no comments for the moment for the same above reasons.
October 21st, 2012, 3:00 pm
Juergen said:
Street protest in Damascus
October 21st, 2012, 3:07 pm
ann said:
Alahu Akbar Alahu Akbar .. “BOOM” you’re DEAD
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68f_1350837986
October 21st, 2012, 3:16 pm
Citizen said:
@306
another shame from Germany!
German man dies from injuries sustained in police attack
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/21/267973/german-dies-after-savage-police-attack/
A German man has died from serious injuries he sustained during a violent police attack in the capital Berlin nearly two weeks ago.
The 50-year-old man, identified only as Andre C., succumbed to his injuries in hospital on Friday, the German-language Tagesspiegel newspaper reported on Saturday.
The savage police assault, which was captured by a passerby on film, included the use of pepper spray, kicking him in the head and unleashing a dog on him.
The footage shows five police officers surrounding the man sitting on the ground.
The policemen can be seen spraying him twice with pepper spray, hitting him on the arm with a baton, and kicking him in the back of the neck. One officer then lets loose a dog to bite the victim in the head.
October 21st, 2012, 3:31 pm
ann said:
All Praise be to Allah the One, Allah the Eternal, neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, nor is there to Him any equivalent.
Simon says 8)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=22a_1350829191
October 21st, 2012, 3:33 pm
ann said:
All Praise be to Allah the One, Allah the Eternal, neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, nor is there to Him any equivalent.
“BOOM” Terrorists positions go up in flames and smoke
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5cc_1350829341
October 21st, 2012, 3:42 pm
Albo said:
304. SYRIALOVER said:
This forum is currently 80% a cats chorus of Zoo, Citizen, Ann (acronym for a team?), Warren and Albo – all rostered on together with their sneering anti-Syrian and Sunni-hating scripts to sing.
Nice to see how my few posts here and there have made such an impression on you that you’d associate me with people who post 10x as much. Sorry to burst your bubble, your posts too are incredibly one-sided and not a great loss if skipped. You who are always the first to pass judgements and claim some higher moral ground, it’s interesting to note you don’t blink an eye when terrorist acts are commited by your side, and none of your friends here either, so where is the higher ground? Where is the moral improvement?
You’re simply one side in a civil war, not a revolutionary fighting for freedom, dignity or any other bs slogan. There’s no revolution, no need to sugarcoat your rhetorics with terms taken from the lexicon of liberal democracy and human rights, that won’t fly. Same for AJ, yeah do use “any means necessary”, but don’t try to call that a struggle for the better, a principled revolution, using moral arguments, that’s ludicrous.
That’s a freaking civil war for f*ck sake, so ya’ll be consistent and just curse your enemies and sing the praise of your own criminals and executionners, you do that quite well already if it weren’t for the misplaced and hypocritical moralistic interferences.
And good riddance to the goners.
October 21st, 2012, 4:05 pm
Citizen said:
304- Sectarian SL!!
Did we cause you a tingling sensation in the eye? Are you Undersecretary of the University of Oklahoma in this forum?
To your knowledge you are personalizing the dialogue ! who is anti-Syrian and Sunni-hater ? I am Proud Sunni syrian ! Enough talk about this Stuff!! Do not be ashamed to speak of sectarianism?
October 21st, 2012, 4:19 pm
ann said:
NATO Mercenary Terrorists Bomb Christian Neighborhood of Bab Touma in Damascus Killing 13 and Wounding Dozens
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7bf_1350839646
October 21st, 2012, 4:47 pm
ghufran said:
it took the West 18 months and 30,000 dead Syrians to discover that they did not have a sensible policy to help Syria:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/21/west-policy-syria-failure-russia-iran
the question is: who will pay to rebuild the country and bring back 2 million internal and external refugees?
where are the whores of the GCC when you need them?
October 21st, 2012, 4:53 pm
AJ said:
Assad supporting terrorists injure small baby because the child refuses to worship Bashar.
http://www.therevoltingsyrian.com/post/34030816525/the-screams-of-an-injured-baby-go-unheard-around
October 21st, 2012, 4:57 pm
Citizen said:
We are living at the dawn of the post falseflag era, as no one
Everyone knows that Israel specialises in dirty stuff of that kind, just as everyone knows how absolutely reckless and underhanded and unethical and immoral and mass murderous all the leaderships of the US, Britain and Israel have been this past decade.
Less than Zero Cred is writ large across all their foreheads.
Everyone has seen the vids of the brutal murders of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Ghadaffi – at which, of the latter, the US Sec of State laughed.
Do not wonder whether the toxic leaderships of US, Britain and Israel have it in mind to do the same to Bashar al Assad and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and are salivating at the prospect of having a private riotous party in a private dungeon to watch over and over videos of their torture and slow murders.
Knowing that the secret minds of these leaderships are nests of roiling snakes, why should the Turks venture too far on the road to Damascus, for they would know that the perfect double cross presents to the western leaderships in that they will feign to be brothers in arms with the Turks, supplying them with all materiel, communications and logistics support, while at the same time few of their boots on the ground – save that of some commando units, will be seen.
Realising that the west’s plan is for Turkey to roll in gung ho into Syria while fully expecting its NATO allies to fully complement them with masses of ground troops, but which will actually be held back while Iran will, obliged as it is – under the mutual defence pact they have with Syria, to enter the fray to directly confront Turkish forces, ground and air, Turkey will hold back.
Turkey does not want to be secretly laughed at by these toxic leaderships of the west, as they are returned in the elections of next month and January, in the US and Israel respectively, by voting publics who will, with awe, newly regard Obama and Netanyahu as astute statesmen who kept them out of war.
What would then happen to PM Erdogan and his FM Davitoglu, should they allow the west to deliver Turkey into the maw of war to be chewed over by a formidable adversary ? At the very least, they and their parties will be discredited, and they themselves may physically suffer at the hands of vengeful crowds.
October 21st, 2012, 5:00 pm
Uzair8 said:
Ann #232
How could you possibly have knowledge of Dr Bashar al-Assad’s ipod content?
Who are you?
It’s what I suspected he may be listening to at this time. Iranian written Shabeehian Rhapsody. Particularly pondering on the words below. Let’s hope it pushes him to walk. As the ghost of Master Jedi Annan would say “Bashar, use the wind. Bend with the wind.”:
Mama, just killed a man
Put a gun against his head
Pulled my trigger, now he’s dead
Mama, life had just begun
But now I’ve gone and thrown it all away
[…]
Too late, my time has come
Sends shivers down my spine
Body’s aching all the time
Goodbye everybody – I’ve got to go
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, ooo – (any way the wind blows)
I don’t want to die
I sometimes wish I’d never been born at all
http://www.elyrics.net/read/q/queen-lyrics/bohemian-rhapsody-lyrics.html
October 21st, 2012, 5:03 pm
Mina said:
A bombing in a Christian neighborhood, on a Sunday morning, and no condemnations from the Western governments? The Iraqi scenario unfolding again.
October 21st, 2012, 5:05 pm
AJ said:
313. GHUFRAN said:
“it took the West 18 months and 30,000 dead Syrians to discover that they did not have a sensible policy to help Syria:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/21/west-policy-syria-failure-russia-iran”
The question is: will they actually do something about it? I personally don`t think so. No one, including the US wants a strong and democratic Syria. The US and the petro-monarchies will only intervene when the Syrian army the overall infrastructure of the country is completely weakened.
“the question is: who will pay to rebuild the country and bring back 2 million internal and external refugees?
where are the whores of the GCC when you need them?”
The world bank and other UN entities are obligated to assist in rebuilding the nation. As far as foreign investments, it`s all about the return on investment. So I don`t think we should get our hopes up too high on the outside.
My faith rests solely on the people inside. The FSA, the LCCs and all those who rose up. If they are able to bring down this regime with barely no outside help (which they are achieving one step at a time) there is NOTHING our people can`t achieve.
October 21st, 2012, 5:08 pm
ghufran said:
I was told that Dr AbdlAziz Alkhayyer was arrested based on inside information that he discussed initiatives to help with a tarnsitional period away from Assad. Alkhayyer was one of the key figures to be used to reassure nervous alawites, somebody from inside the opposition informed Jamil Hassan about this “plot”.
what is depressing about Syria is that Syrians are trapped between a brutal and dirty regime and a violent and fractured opposition that is now heavily inlfuenced by Talibani thinking.
pretending that Assad can be a good transitional president is in itself a sign of delusional disorder but the regime is working hard to make this idea is the only game in town, even Turkey is looking at this humiliating proposal as a potential solution !!
Do not blame the regime, we all knew that it can not be reformed, you must blame the opposition that failed to deliver despite international support, Khaliji money and an army of anti regime media outlets. suicide bombing, kidnapping and assasinations is not a strategy it is thuggery.
October 21st, 2012, 5:10 pm
Mjabali said:
Old money observer;
At the end of the day you are nothing but sectarian who hates the Alawis . Simple and clear. Cheers ya ben Franklin
October 21st, 2012, 5:11 pm
Syrialover said:
” No one, including the US wants a strong and democratic Syria.”
(CITIZEN #135).
Sorry for laughing.
I guess you are stating that they want a failed state being terrorized and burnt to ashes by an illegitimate mafia “ruler” supported by another illegitimate regime (Iran), with floods of displaced and hungry refugees, chaos in the region and the threat of chemical weapons in the air.
CITIZEN, can you please explain to us sensibly why they would want this? You talk as if you have a lot of knowledge of the workings and agendas of the “toxic” west.
Challenge: see if you can do it without resorting to crazy conspiracy theories and bizarre ill-informed fantasies.
October 21st, 2012, 5:25 pm
ghufran said:
this is the bomb explosion that Killed Wissam:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/oct/21/beirut-bomb-filmed-eyewitness-video
Ibrahimi’s statement after meetings in Syria:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/oct/21/syria-damascus-car-bomb-un-envoy-video
obviously,he failed to win a comittment from Assad and the rebels to stop the fighting.
the rebels greeted Ibrahimi with a car bomb in bab Touma, that was their answer to calls for a cease fire, the regime did its part too and continued its bombardment of rebel held areas today.
October 21st, 2012, 5:26 pm
Syrialover said:
GHUFRAN,
You know the truth and realities of the Assad regime, you have just stated it clearly in your posts above.
But it is not logical to then deliver a blame lecture about those trying to oppose it.
What is unfolding is human history with an unprecedented situation: Assad relentlessly destroying the country with the assistance of thug regimes in Iran and Russia.
In the face of this grim chaotic nightmare, nothing is sure, nothing is neat, nothing is clearcut, nothing is magically manageable.
In life, the option to lamenting problems is to focus on solutions.
October 21st, 2012, 5:36 pm
AJ said:
321. SYRIALOVER said:
” No one, including the US wants a strong and democratic Syria.”
(CITIZEN #135).
Sorry for laughing.
That quote was from me and no I am not the same person as Citizen. Not only am I not the same person, but my views are completely different.
I sincerely believe that many countries who are linked with Israel do not want a strong and democratic Syria. If they did, they would have helped a long time ago. Look at the level of assistance Qatar brought to Lybia and then compare that to the help give to Syria.
I think we will need to rely on the Syrians themselves (inside + expats) to take out this regime
October 21st, 2012, 5:42 pm
Albo said:
You’re correct AJ, as opposed to the naive Syria Lover who is wrong most of the time.
But be realistic, the opposition can wage war and spread chaos, have some local successes, but not reestablish order.
Their political options, the most proeminent ones, are refused by a large share of the Syrian population so you won’t have a democracy but also no stability.
Thirdly, now this is bigger than Syria, the power struggle between world and regional power will decide the outcome, not any group inside the country even if you feel they have a very large popular support.
October 21st, 2012, 5:54 pm
ann said:
All Praise be to Allah the One, Allah the Eternal, neither does He beget, nor is He begotten, nor is there to Him any equivalent.
Law and Order.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7b6_1350814025
October 21st, 2012, 6:12 pm
Syrialover said:
Sorry AJ (#324), too much tiresome and confusing scrolling of comments taking its toll here. But that quote fits CITIZEN’S comment in #315 perfectly, and my challenge to CITIZEN in #321 remains.
My response to you is “what would you do if you were boss of the NATO countries?”. Noting that Iran and Russia are actually onstage, not even lurking in the shadows.
Plus there are massive differences between military intervention in Syria and in small, compactly populated Libya, with the history of unsettled grievances and scores against Gaddafi itching to be settled by other countries.
I agree it is a matter to be settled by Syrians, but it never was or could be that with Bashar Assad’s foreign alliances and contempt for Syria and it people.
October 21st, 2012, 6:14 pm
AJ said:
325. ALBO said:
“But be realistic, the opposition can wage war and spread chaos, have some local successes, but not reestablish order.
I have faith in the Syrian people to 1) Take out this regime and 2) reestablish order… Local successes? Assad, Iran and Hezbollah are being defeated despite their obvious military power. (look at the FSA 8 months ago and look at it today and you`ll see what I mean)
“Their political options, the most proeminent ones, are refused by a large share of the Syrian population so you won’t have a democracy but also no stability.”
Please provide proof of this. All political options, from the secular to the salafists are more accepted than this regime. Combined, they are fully against the Baath. Even pro-assads agree with this.
The salafists and seculars will have to face off in democratic elections. (of course, most are in between but I`m just mentioning 2 popular poles)
“Thirdly, now this is bigger than Syria, the power struggle between world and regional power will decide the outcome, not any group inside the country even if you feel they have a very large popular support.”
Although I agree they have a lot of power, I think it`s the people inside who`ll ultimately decide the outcome. It`s just a question of how fast this will happen.
October 21st, 2012, 6:14 pm
ann said:
‘Bloodshed, torture, medieval darkness brought to Libya with Western involvement’ – 20 October, 2012
http://rt.com/news/libya-conflict-nato-foreign-836/
A year on since the death of Colonel Gaddafi, RT speaks with political analyst Ibrahim Alloush who thinks that it is the involvement of NATO and its allies that handed the country over to ‘a group of fanatic criminals.’
It’s as the former regime strognhold of Bani Walid is bombarded by the army in attempts to restore order in the volatile city.
RT:The tensions around Bani Walid just underline the challenges for transforming Libya into a peaceful country but despite this, was the western backed Arab Spring a success, is the country better of without Gaddafi?
Ibrahim Alloush: Well I think the picture speaks for itself. For the last three weeks Bani Walid has been lying under siege and recently it was bombarded, many civilians were killed and wounded, the city was not allowed to receive medical supplies, food or fuel for that matter. Let me remind you that several hundred people from Bani Walid have been abducted after the new regime came into power. This picture is not only restricted to Bani Walid in-fact there are several places in Libya where the so called revolutionaries, the NATO mercenaries that invaded Libya with support of NATO airplanes have kidnapped and are still keeping in jail without trial or any form of supervision, tens of thousands of supporters of Colonel Gaddafi. Also amnesty International recently demanded that the siege of Bani Walid be lifted. This siege represents a form of collective punishment that is not very different from the way the Libyan people were treated by NATO airplanes or by the so-called revolutionaries.
RT:As you pointed out, Bani Walid is indicative of how unstable the country is, and following the death of the US ambassador last month, NATO has offered its help to improve security in the country. Do you think that Western countries should now be more involved in bringing stability to this very troubled country now?
IA: I think that the involvement of Western countries was the source of trouble for Libya as a whole. We have seen that the state has become dismantled, as happened in Iraq and Somalia, wherever NATO, or US troops have walked in. There was a total implosion of the central state, and this is why you have cases like Bani Walid. If you look at it from the point of view of the rule of law, in fact, there is no rule of law in Libya, and this is the best environment for the control of states that used to be considered rogue states, as they refuse to abide by the dictates of the imperialist countries.
RT:Rogue, failed states are a target for extremists, for the likes of Al-Qaeda. Just how dangerous now is the situation in Libya, where the authorities basically lose control to extremists?
IA: I think the question is who brought Al-Qaeda to Libya, and now to Syria. It’s the same Western involvement, with the support of petrodollars from Qatar and Saudi Arabia. That is handing the country over to a group of fanatic criminals, who are bent on bloodshed, torture, slitting throats, bringing the country back to medieval darkness. We have seen very clearly what these people are aiming to do. They want to punish Bani Walid for its stance against the invasion of Libya by NATO. This is a form of collective punishment against the whole population for standing up for their independence and the sovereignty of their country.
RT:Today Turkey has called on the US, Britain, and its allies to intervene in Syria to prevent the looming humanitarian disaster there. Would the situation in Syria be different from that in Libya, if there was foreign military action?
IA: I think they are already intervening in Syria. All the weapons and all the volunteers, the fundamentalists who are coming into Syria through Turkey, and sometimes Iraq and Lebanon, they are not coming in on their own. They are being financed and armed by Western countries, as well as GCC [Gulf Cooperation Council] countries. What we’re seeing here now, is a form of destabilization. The same is happening in Beirut, this recent bombing is an attempt to destabilize the country.
[…]
http://rt.com/news/libya-conflict-nato-foreign-836/
October 21st, 2012, 6:22 pm
Tara said:
I’d love to have Ibrahimi’s job, flying first class or private jet, visiting lots of countries, staying in 5 stars hotels, meeting people, chatting around, and getting paid for it. Any Better job than this?
October 21st, 2012, 6:35 pm
ann said:
Israel Threatens Syria Intervention Over Chemical Weapons – October 17, 2012
http://www.infowars.com/israel-threatens-syria-intervention-over-chemical-weapons/
It is reminiscent of the excuse given to invade Iraq in 2003 – Israel will consider the “military option” in Syria to make sure its chemical weapons do not “reach the hands of extremists,” according to the Times of Israel.
“Israel will do everything it takes to ensure Syria’s chemical weapons do not fall into the hands of terrorist organizations – and if such a situation arises, then Israel will weigh a military option,” Netanyahu told a group of European ambassadors in Jerusalem. He said Hezbollah has aided Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad.
[…]
http://www.infowars.com/israel-threatens-syria-intervention-over-chemical-weapons/
October 21st, 2012, 6:37 pm
ann said:
Implosion of Syria Myths a ‘Nervous Breakdown’ for US, Allies – October 18, 2012
http://www.infowars.com/implosion-of-syria-myths-a-nervous-breakdown-for-us-allies/
The New York Times has finally reported what many watching the Syria insurgency have noticed all along: US-facilitated weapons shipments are ending up in the hands of radical jihadists. Of course while getting those facts right, the NYT, blinded as it is by ideology, gets the conclusion wrong. The Times has for some time been pushing the line that the US must act fast militarily in Syria lest the mythical “people’s uprising” be hikacked by radicals. In short, they have been — surprise — distorting facts to propagandize for war. The NYT line is that US “inaction” on Syria is leading to the radicalization of the rebels. Earlier this month the Times reported/opined that:
“Many Saudi and Qatari officials now fear that the fighting in Syria is awakening deep sectarian animosities and, barring such intervention, could turn into an uncontrollable popular jihad with consequences far more threatening to Arab governments than the Afghan war of the 1980s.”
Now we get the news from the Times that:
“‘The opposition groups that are receiving the most of the lethal aid are exactly the ones we don’t want to have it,’ said one American official familiar with the outlines of those findings, commenting on an operation that in American eyes has increasingly gone awry.”
Then the Times pushes its propagandistic conclusion to color the facts according to its own ideology:
“That conclusion, of which President Obama and other senior officials are aware from classified assessments…casts into doubt whether the White House’s strategy of minimal and indirect intervention in the Syrian conflict is accomplishing its intended purpose of helping a democratic-minded opposition topple an oppressive government, or is instead sowing the seeds of future insurgencies hostile to the United States.” (emphasis added)
Ah yes, the fault is all with the “minimal and indirect” intervention of the US in the conflict. Surely a Libya-type operation would already be reaping US foreign policy the same kinds of rewards we are getting in Libya!
So what is the truth? The truth is hard to swallow for the propagandizing media and the propagandized public: Assad was telling the truth when he told Barbara Walters in an interview earlier this year:
“Not everybody in the street was fighting for freedom. You have different components, you have extremists, religious extremists…like-minded people of Al Qaeda… [F]rom the very first few weeks we had those terrorists they are getting more and more aggressive, they have been killing. We have 1,000– over 1,100 soldiers and policeman killed, who killed them? peaceful demonstrators? This is not logical.”
Of course no one wanted to listen to him because he, like Saddam, Milosevic, Gaddafi, etc before him, had been branded a “madman” in the media. Who could listen to a madman? Who could possibly negotiate with a madman? They only understand one thing, force. We have all heard this interventionist neo-con garbage for decades but for some reason it still seems to work.
Likewise, Mother Agnes Miriam of the Cross, a Melkite Greek Catholic nun, was telling the truth earlier this summer when she told the Irish Times that the rebels were targeting Christians in Syria. She continued:
“The West and Gulf states must not give finance to armed insurrectionists who are sectarian terrorists, most of whom are from al-Qaeda, according to a report presented to the German parliament. … They bring terror, destruction, fear and nobody protects the civilians. [There were] very few Syrians among the rebels. …Mercenaries should go home.”
The reason that the weapons being funneled to the Syrian rebels are ending up in the hands of radical Islamists is because the rebels are radical Islamists. The founder of Doctors Without Borders noticed it after working with the wounded in Syria. German intelligence noticed it after an investigation suggested that up to 95 percent of the Syrian rebels are not Syrian.
It is a myth that the initial peaceful protests only turned violent reluctantly after they were met with force by the regime. In fact we see plans early on to turn events in Syria toward regime change. We saw it early in the 1996 US neo-conservative “Clean Break” study for then-Prime Minister Netanyahu, which urged him to “contain, destabilize, and roll-back” Syria and other countries in the region. We saw it more recently in numerous influential think tank studies like that of Brookings’ Saban Center’s oft-cited report early this year tellingly titled, “Saving Syria: Assessing Options for Regime Change.” Like the authors of the “Clean Break” paper, the Saban Center is heavily neo-conservative and pro-Likud.
In conclusion, here is the really bad news: As the US Syria policy falls apart, there is increasing danger that the built up tension in the region — particularly the disastrous decision of the Turkish government to support the rebels in Syria — is leading to a wider conflict that threatens to spin out of control. Turkey and Armenia are at each others throats, Armenia and Azerbaijan are preparing for war, Iraq warily watches chaos on its borders, Russia is installing its next-generation S-400 anti-aircraft missiles in its southern military region near Turkey, and so on. Backed into a corner by a failed policy, the US as usual is doubling down on a bad bet, feeding Turkey bogus intelligence about chimeral arms shipments aboard Syrian passenger planes carrying Russian passengers, etc. Rebel mortars lobbed into Turkey give a desperate Erdogan government the pretext it needs to establish a buffer zone in Syria and hope for NATO reinforcements, which are not coming.
[…]
http://www.infowars.com/implosion-of-syria-myths-a-nervous-breakdown-for-us-allies/
October 21st, 2012, 6:43 pm
Albo said:
328 AJ
1) the attacks are more deadly, probably helped by new weaponry and better training in some militias, Turkish support but not decisive in any way. As argued on this blog, they mostly failed in great cities. The casualties and material destruction are increasing, but no signifiant territorial gains have been made, we’re just descending into chaos. This is why most analysts talk about the current situation as a stalemate.
2)”Please provide proof of this”: I tought this was self-evident, but apparently not. Most of the fighting is done by sunni arab muslims, this is a sunni revolt, barring a few nobodies. 1/3 of Syria isn’t sunni, another 10%, the Kurds don’t trust the rebels since the regime made concessions to them, they have their own agenda which won’t be aligned with that of the rebels (also mainly because rebels work so closely with Turkey).
As in other countries of the Arab Spring, islamist are likely to win, much more so here because the feeling of sectarian vengeance is enormous unlike said countries. So you have a political equation without a solution, if the majority want political islam the only way to prevail is through establishing another dictatorship of its own.
Remember, liberal democracy doesn’t mean that because you have the majority, you can impose anything on the rest. This isn’t true of any modern democracy. When the islamists are voted by the majority, you get what you had in the Gaza strip which isn’t democratic by any stretch of the imagination.
3) think about Lebanon, Syria is like Lebanon used to be, only this time Turkey, Iran, the GCC, Russia an Nato pull the strings, and only them are the providers of advanced weapons necessary for modern warfare. What you saw as an improvement in the FSA is mainly explained by Turkey stepping up its support in the past few months. But now they seemingly are revising their policy, asthey start to become affected domestically by the troubles in Syria (Kurds, Alevis, Alawis, Secular opposition), and know that any further involvement will just bring them more migrants which they don’t want. Western powers as you pointed, won’t get involved more than they already are.
I have to go for now.
October 21st, 2012, 6:44 pm
Darryl said:
Dear Visitor,
I hope you had a good weekend and thanks for attempting to respond. Unfortunately you did not respond in an elaborate way about verses 17:16 and 17 and chose to use an English Qur’an to “translate out” the negative aspect of the word “Maker”.
My dear Visitor, when man first picked up a fallen tree branch and fashioned it into a weapon, killing of humans became common. The Babylonian king Hammurabi about 1700 BC developed his famous code to instill law and order through a penal code.
The prophet Moses came about 1300 BC with the ten commandments, two of those commandments dealt with a neighbor.
The Messiah came and taught if someone hits one cheek, turn the other and said love your neighbor like your self.
Then about 700 AD Allah in His book in Surat Al Towbah (9) verse 123 commands that a Muslim should treat his neighbor harshly and even kill him.
My questions to you are:
1. Why is Allah sending mixed messages if He is the same God?
2. Did Allah in 9:123 bring any improvement or has He taken humanity back past the point that Hammurabi started with?
3. Which message do you prefer your neighbor use toward you?
October 21st, 2012, 6:57 pm
Syrialover said:
AJ
I agree with all you have said in #328.
The Syrian people have shown their strength and determination to have change. And they will have won it, not have it imposed in them.
October 21st, 2012, 7:08 pm
ann said:
NATO packs it in; Turkey on the verge of a nervous breakdown – 16 October 2012
http://www.voltairenet.org/article176266.html
On October 8, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CTSO) began maneuvers dubbed “Inviolable Fraternity” (“????????? ????????”). The scenario focuses on the deployment of a peace force in an imaginary country where international jihadists and terrorist organizations operate against a backdrop of ethnic and confessional divisions. The accredited diplomatic corps, which was invited to attend the exercises, listened attentively to the opening address of the deputy secretary general of the organization. He clearly indicated that the CTSO is preparing for an eventual intervention in the Greater Middle East. And for those feigning deafness, Nikolai Bordyuzha specified that his deputy was not speaking of Afghanistan.
The Geneva Declaration negotiated by Kofi Annan on June 30 foresaw the deployment of a peace force if the Syrian government and the opposition jointly made the demand. The Free Syrian Army rejected the accord. The term “opposition” refers only to the political parties who have been meeting since in Damascus, under the aupices of the Russian and Chinese ambassadors. As the Geneva Accord was validated by the Security Council, the deployment of the “blue chapkas” can be set in motion without requiring an ad hoc resolution. Valery Semerikov stated that 4,000 men had already been enlisted in the Peace Force with 46,000 others in the wings available for the rapid mobilization.
With this as background, the signs of Western retreat from Syria are multiplying. The influx of Western arms and combatants is drying up except for the ongoing transfers funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Even more surprising: on six successive occasions, the NATO Command at Incirlik gave jihadists instructions to regroup within specified zones to prepare for huge offensives. While the Syrian Arab Army, which was formed to confront the Israeli Army, may be ill-adapted for guerilla warfare, it is highly effective in conventional combat. In each of these engagements, it easily encircled and wiped out the assembled units of the Free Syrian Army. Though the initial defeats suffered by the jihadists could have been attributed to a tactical error or to an incompetent commander, after the sixth debacle another hypothesis must be considered: that NATO is willingly sending these combatants to their deaths.
In contrast to popular perceptions, the motivation of the jihadists is not, properly speaking, ideological or religious but rather, aesthetic. They are not looking to die for a cause and are not focused on the future of Jerusalem. They strike a romantic posture and seek to intensify their sensations whether through drugs or through death. Their behavior makes them easy to manipulate; they seek extreme situations which they are then placed in, and their movements are totally steered. Over the last years, Prince Bandar bin Sultan became the leading architect of these assemblages, including those of al-Qaeda. He supplied them with preachers promising a paradise where seventy virgins would provide them with ecstatic pleasures not if they accomplished a particular military or political feat but only if they died as martyrs wherever Bandar had need for them.
It seems Prince Bandar has disappeared from the scene since the attack on him on July 26. He may well be dead. From Morroco to Zinjiang, the jihadists have been left to their own devices, without any real coordination. They could be recruited by any number of actors, as the recent assassination of the U.S. Ambassador in Libya confirms. As a result, Washington wants to unload this risky and burdensome rabble or at the very least reduce their number. The orders that NATO gives to the jihadists are designed to expose them to fire by the Syrian Arab Army which is eliminating them en masse.
[…]
http://www.voltairenet.org/article176266.html
October 21st, 2012, 7:11 pm
ann said:
NATO packs it in; Turkey on the verge of a nervous breakdown – 16 October 2012
http://www.voltairenet.org/article176266.html
On October 8, the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CTSO) began maneuvers dubbed “Inviolable Fraternity” (“????????? ????????”). The scenario focuses on the deployment of a peace force in an imaginary country where international jihadists and terrorist organizations operate against a backdrop of ethnic and confessional divisions. The accredited diplomatic corps, which was invited to attend the exercises, listened attentively to the opening address of the deputy secretary general of the organization. He clearly indicated that the CTSO is preparing for an eventual intervention in the Greater Middle East. And for those feigning deafness, Nikolai Bordyuzha specified that his deputy was not speaking of Afghanistan.
The Geneva Declaration negotiated by Kofi Annan on June 30 foresaw the deployment of a peace force if the Syrian government and the opposition jointly made the demand. The Free Syrian Army rejected the accord. The term “opposition” refers only to the political parties who have been meeting since in Damascus, under the aupices of the Russian and Chinese ambassadors. As the Geneva Accord was validated by the Security Council, the deployment of the “blue chapkas” can be set in motion without requiring an ad hoc resolution. Valery Semerikov stated that 4,000 men had already been enlisted in the Peace Force with 46,000 others in the wings available for the rapid mobilization.
With this as background, the signs of Western retreat from Syria are multiplying. The influx of Western arms and combatants is drying up except for the ongoing transfers funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Even more surprising: on six successive occasions, the NATO Command at Incirlik gave jihadists instructions to regroup within specified zones to prepare for huge offensives. While the Syrian Arab Army, which was formed to confront the Israeli Army, may be ill-adapted for guerilla warfare, it is highly effective in conventional combat. In each of these engagements, it easily encircled and wiped out the assembled units of the Free Syrian Army. Though the initial defeats suffered by the jihadists could have been attributed to a tactical error or to an incompetent commander, after the sixth debacle another hypothesis must be considered: that NATO is willingly sending these combatants to their deaths.
It seems Prince Bandar has disappeared from the scene since the attack on him on July 26. He may well be dead. From Morroco to Zinjiang, the jihadists have been left to their own devices, without any real coordination. They could be recruited by any number of actors, as the recent assassination of the U.S. Ambassador in Libya confirms. As a result, Washington wants to unload this risky and burdensome rabble or at the very least reduce their number. The orders that NATO gives to the jihadists are designed to expose them to fire by the Syrian Arab Army which is eliminating them en masse.
[…]
http://www.voltairenet.org/article176266.html
October 21st, 2012, 7:12 pm
ann said:
Tory MP: West-Backed Christian Holocaust in Syria – Oct 15, 2012
http://www.infowars.com/tory-mp-west-backed-christian-holocaust-in-syria/
Here is information you won’t see on your TV screen or mainstream newspaper in the United States: Conservative Party Member of British Parliament Mark Field writes in the Independent today that “rent-a-mob jihadis are tormenting a benighted Christian minority in Bashar al-Assad’s Syria.”
Writes Field:
“…for the two million plus Syrian followers of Christ, whose lineage goes back 2000 years to St Paul’s proselytising in the first century AD, these are especially desperate times. Ethnic cleansing is an ugly phrase, but that’s just what is going on right now for Christians in Syria. The unspeakable truth now is that the sizeable Christian communities in war-torn Syria are at greater threat of ethnic cleansing from their ancestral homes than has been the case for generations — often at the hands of the self-styled freedom fighters so feted by the Western press.”
Field notes that after the US invasion of Iraq, some 300,000 Christians fled that “liberated” country for Syria — one of the few places in the Middle East where Christians could feel safe and go about their lives unmolested. US/Saudi/Qatari/Israeli-supported “freedom fighters” — who as German intelligence finds are as much as 95 percent non-Syrian — are putting an end to that, threatening to completely eradicate a Christian population that goes back to the time of Christ. What do American Christians do? Cheer on the rebels as they kill Christians left and right in Syria because their government tells them they are “freedom fighters.” What a sick joke.
Well-done, Obama, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Hillary Clinton, etc. This is tolerance, State Department-style.
[…]
http://www.infowars.com/tory-mp-west-backed-christian-holocaust-in-syria/
October 21st, 2012, 7:20 pm
Tara said:
Syrian skies closed but flag carrier not worried
Withdrawing from the Syrian skies has burdened Turkish Airlines with extra costs but will not inflate ticket prices, according to Chairman Hamdi Topçu.
“The former routes passing through Syria were the shortest ones, but the [new routes] from the north or south of Syria do not change much,” Do?an news agency quoted him as telling journalists during the launch of the national flag carrier’s first flight to Egypt’s Hurgada. “The costs of the new routes are also not noteworthy so this will not be reflected in ticket prices.”
…..
“Turkish Airlines has reached its 2015 goals as of 2011. Some 10 years ago no one could think that [the airline] would fly to New York three times a day, to London eight times a day.”
The company plans to launch 32 new destinations by the end of this year.
October/22/2012
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/syrian-skies-closed-but-flag-carrier-not-worried.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32946&NewsCatID=345
October 21st, 2012, 7:25 pm
Syrialover said:
Hmmm. Since my observation (#249) there’s been a re-correction of the “ANN” postings.
The recent new voice and style of discussion has been elbowed aside to share the “ANN” posts with the usual default voice of crude abuse and insults, triumphant posting of nasty videos and simple cut-pasting propaganda garbage heaps.
I would love to have hidden video on that team. I wonder what the letters “ANN” stand for.
October 21st, 2012, 7:36 pm
Visitor said:
Dear Darryl 334,
I already made a comment today that I am not planning to spend anytime on this site. But this is a break for me and just noticed your comment. I do not mind going over it.
I am really surprised that you can make a shallow and dis-informed comment such as your latest. Especially, after I have given you all you need to understand the Holy Qura’n. In fact, that link that I have given you is all you need, and you would never need to come back here for more. Let me explain.
What are your credentials as far as understanding Qura’nic Arabic? You ask your self that question then go back to that Qura’n translation that I linked to you and look on the left side column under the heading English. You have the choice to select out of six different translations or all together at once and they will appear in front of you under the original Arabic text. You just have to select the proper selection box(s).
Now those who made these translations are recognized scholars both in the Mislim world and worldwide, and are experts in Qura’nic Arabic. In particular, the translation of Yusuf Ali has been the recognized library of congress translation since the beginning of the twentieth century. So, again Mr. Darryl, who are you to challenge these scholars, by your false and I may say sinister translation as you are doing nowexactly with the new verse. Go back and read any translation you want in this link and see for yourself that you are blind and full of false pretensions.
You could also go and read that same verse you have questions about here in that same translation(s) and verify for yourself that the intended fight is meant for disbelievers far and near and not as you insinuated with your neighbor. Whether it is Hamourabi, Moses or anyone else, your question is not relevant. Muhammad and his followers are missioned with the spread of the Faith of Allah throughout whether you agree or not agree and whether your limited mind sees progress or the opposite.
Now, if you cannot show some competency in understanding, next time you will simply receive a comment that will say: SORRY TOO BUSY FOR YOU. YOU HAVE ALL YOU NEED.
October 21st, 2012, 8:02 pm
Tara said:
Darryl,
Make sure to take a full dose Aspirin and a statin before you watch this.
http://www.tehrantimes.com/arts-and-culture/2248-iranian-film-muhammad-s-ramps-up-casting-
October 21st, 2012, 8:02 pm
Syrialover said:
CITIZEN,
I offer my apologies if I have unfairly ranked you with the others in that “cats chorus” here.
And OK, I will not dispute your claim to be a proud Sunni Syrian.
But sitting here sick with the possibiity of losing people and places that matter most to me to Assad’s senseless evil your stance confuses me.
I and others in the same boat are disturbed by lack of expressions of sympathy, care and respect for those Syrians who are sacrificing and losing so much, and disbelief at failure to condemn the regime.
Your posts seem remote from the realities of who is doing what and are about blaming the “toxic” west and jihadists.
October 21st, 2012, 8:21 pm
Ghufran said:
We may hear a confirmation from Liouaa Attawheed later on:
??? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? .
October 21st, 2012, 8:27 pm
Ghufran said:
Those jihadists really hate Aleppo and love their promised virginfull paradise:
?????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????.
?????? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ???????? ???????? ???? ????????? ???? ???? ???? 500 ???????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????.
October 21st, 2012, 8:33 pm
Syrialover said:
ALBO (# 325) said:.
“…. as opposed to the naive Syria Lover who is wrong most of the time”
Good. Anything that accuses me of being the opposite of your views makes me proud. I liked reading that!
October 21st, 2012, 9:26 pm
Observer said:
So Majbali I am sectarian because I called ANN Alawi News Network
How does this make me sectarian?
Alawis are entitled and should have their full sovereignty and independence and be free of oppression and discrimination and yes to have their News Network as well.
I want them to have their state and the Kurds to have theirs and every community if they so desire to have theirs on the principle of self determination and independence.
I want you to be free of the fear of potential and real persecution and for you never ever to think again that when anyone says Alawi it immediately means a demeaning or derogatory implication.
ANN should apply to anchor the Network I have no problem with that. Another would be Adoring News Network where there is adoration and adulation of the boy Prethident Freddo
Go ahead and declare your independence I will be the first to cheer.
“He who has a shard under his skin gets itchy and irritated when someone touches it”
Finally the Baath party and the rule of the Father and the Son was immense to me and my family members for all of them had all of their lands ( small and large ) property and assets confiscated and therefore we had to emigrate where I would say most are quite successful having rebuild everything from nothing
I wish for you and yours the same happy and prosperous life in whatever entity you wish to call your new state.
Cheers
October 21st, 2012, 9:40 pm
Ghufran said:
Libyan jihadists are busy killing their own people in ibn alwalid and killing Syrians in Syria.
AlQuds alarabi posted a good article on the slaughter of civilians in parts of Libya. Champions of freedom in NATO are looking the other way since cheap Libyan oil is now flowing “freely” to their bankrupt countries.
I scored 7 points for my last post ( and counting), the truth hurts I guess.
October 21st, 2012, 9:54 pm
Tara said:
I would call Ann Satan News Nerwork. Her/his extreme disregard of the sanctity of human lives and what he/she thinks are cool comments as evidence by the sunglasses she loves to post are satanic and pure evil. Ann’s remarks are embodiment of evil, and are very creepy. I go to sleep every night dreading to see Ann in my dreams .
Sorry to be blunt. My freedom of expression is uninhibited Sunday nights.
October 21st, 2012, 9:56 pm
William Scott Scherk said:
Things no longer remarkable among the daily outbursts at Syria Comment:
Death tolls
Demonstrations
Silent, absent President
Abhorrent hate speech
Stupefied state media
Baathist acolytes, envelopped in delusion.
Repetitive links to non-curated crap at Liveleak, heavy on the death shots or gruesome corpses, explosions — with smileys
Evasion of any discussion that might even creep close to the deluded Red Line of the Lion of Damascus, without which death and destruction.
**********
Like a poison spider at the middle of the web, the deluded imagine a splendid King, a Novo Ceaucescu, mythic saviour, genius of the Carpathians, Assad, who developped the same megalomaniac insanity as have so many tyrants before him. Without Him, nothing is possible. May Assad live on among the great crazed Etat-c’est-moi of our direst history.
One day the guns will still, the hospitals will be de-militarized, the Syrian Air Force will not bomb, detainees will not be crippled by torture, summary executions will cease, the poor victims will be free to grieve, to assemble, to travel.
Meanwhile at the bullwark a zoo and trumpet pretending the dam will never fall, the dam will hold, the King will stay on the throne. The Soviet system will endure. The graves will be forgotten and discussion of them subject to official mutism and denial.
Thinking of Ceaucescu, of Pol Pot, of the self-killing and population cleansings and punishments of the 20th century. Of evil stalking the earth before it is caught and punished.
Meanwhile, the deluded close their eyes to human suffering and injustice, and ride along with autocracy in its final brutal spasms. To their shame.
Syria’s monstrous regime absolved by moral blindness in the mad zoo of Assadism.
October 21st, 2012, 10:04 pm
Ghufran said:
???? ???? ? ?????? ????????
“? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ???????”
???? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ????????? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ????????? ????????? ???? ????? ??? ????????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? , ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ????????.
October 21st, 2012, 10:13 pm
Aldendeshe said:
God you are so boring Bill, poor guy, he is in his 40’s and still using sock for woman. Hey Bill, I wrote to 512 ladies and got 257 replies accepting my marriage proposal sight unseen, on the very first letter. Let’s see if you can get a 70 year old reply to you, go here, you will thank me dearly, and hopefully you will have no time to come over here and insult us. Let me know if you need help writing, because I can see you have zero chance of getting a single reply, women are smart, they can smell a Scherk half the earth away. Be on the safe side, start the letter with this, lie: “You will love me, I am the Un-Scherk type”
http://www.bride.ru
In the mean time, this decade, will send you dozen new socks, the one you got stinks.
When are you going to write about the Islamic terrorists?
October 21st, 2012, 10:31 pm
Warren said:
Turkey ‘has trust issue with US on intelligence’
Turkey no longer entirely trusts U.S. intelligence despite its apparent offer to help eliminate Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) figures, according to a prominent scholar, adding that Ankara has been convinced that the U.S. military presence in Iraq since the Gulf War has fed the militant organization.
Washington has come to see the group as an obstacle in Turkey and wants to eliminate certain figures in the organization, Deniz Ülke Ar?bo?an recently told the Hürriyet Daily News, while explaining a recent statement on the matter by U.S. Ambassador to Turkey Francis Ricciardone.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-has-trust-issue-with-us-on-intelligence.aspx?pageID=238&nID=32923&NewsCatID=338
October 21st, 2012, 10:35 pm
Warren said:
Remember, Russia Is More Important Than Assad
Insisting on President Assad’s fall damages Britain’s relations with his longstanding ally, writes defence analyst Paul Smyth.
As someone who trained for potential war with the Soviet Union it is ironic to be writing something that is pro-Russian. Yet the West’s muddle over Syria makes it possible.
Turkey’s recent forced diversion of a Syrian airliner transiting from Russia to Syria without providing clear evidence of illegal arms smuggling was a strategic mistake that damaged Ankara-Moscow relations.
Instead of dealing with suspicions of Russia arms smuggling quietly through official channels Ankara chose unnecessarily overt action that antagonised Moscow for no good reason.
Turkey is not alone in neglecting strategic priorities (such as having benign relations with Russia) that should shape handling of the Syria crisis.
By adopting anti-Assad rhetoric and giving support to Syrian rebels the UK has abandoned previous neutrality, strategic sense and painted itself into a corner, calling for a regime change it may be forced to increasingly facilitate. Predictably, insisting on Assad’s fall damages relations with his longstanding ally Russia, indicating that ousting Assad is considered strategically more important than a good relationship with Moscow, which is astonishing.
http://news.sky.com/story/1000724/remember-russia-is-more-important-than-assad
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Just like Georgia 2008, the West & NATO is not going to risk a confrontation with Russia. The Europeans have no interest or desire to fight a war over Syria, it’s not worth it. Especially as Europe is so dependent on Russian energy and Europe’s economies are in such a mess.
October 21st, 2012, 10:49 pm
Warren said:
Western policy on Syria is failing on a monumental scale
The only way forward for Syria is to broker a political settlement, in consultation with Russia and Iran
If Russia and Iran have been culpable, there has been a catastrophic failure of diplomacy by the west and its allies. UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon’s call for a ceasefire and an arms embargo is a welcome challenge to the west’s floundering policy. Britain, France and the US, as well as their allies, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, need to recognise that neither side is going to win the civil war engulfing Syria. Nor will the Turkey’s call for western military intervention to halt the humanitarian disaster resolve the crisis. A political solution has to be the priority.
The Syrian leader, Bashar al-Assad, is reported to be willing to consider the proposal by the UN-Arab League envoy, Lakhdar Brahimi, for a ceasefire for the four-day Eid al-Adha holiday on 26 October. The western powers and the Arab arms suppliers should urge their friends in the opposition to declare they will reciprocate if Assad makes good on his tentative promise.
Western demands for regime change were never going to work because this isn’t simply a conflict between a savage regime and the Syrian people. Assad and the ruling Shia-aligned Alawite minority form a tenth of the population and fear being oppressed by the Sunni majority. Christians and other minorities are similarly nervous. Together, those behind Assad constitute nearly a third of Syrians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/21/west-policy-syria-failure-russia-iran?newsfeed=true
October 21st, 2012, 10:51 pm
Warren said:
Pakistan’s Reckoning
“I felt hurt on opening my wardrobe and seeing my uniform, school bag and geometry box,” Malala Yousafzai wrote in a diary she kept in the Swat Valley in 2009. “Boys’ schools are opening tomorrow. But the Taliban have banned girls’ education.”
Today, as the Pakistani heroine, now 14, fights for her life in a British hospital, nothing less than the fate of modernity in Pakistan hangs in the balance.
Malala and her devoted father, an educator who ran afoul of the masters of the Taliban, knew the risks, but would not be deterred. The masked assailants, who asked for her by name on a school bus and shot her at point-blank range, came out of a culture of darkness that has wrecked the dreams of those who want Pakistan to be a normal country at peace with itself.
It is hard to believe now that the founding dream of Pakistan, born out of the partition of British India in 1947, was a secular one. The founder of this oddest of nations, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, was a Bombay barrister who was a firm believer in British law and Indian nationalism. He had married his second wife outside the Islamic faith and had wanted nothing to do with the Mughal culture of North India that had yearned for a separate Muslim state.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-17/pakistan-faces-a-reckoning-because-of-malala-s-gift.html
October 21st, 2012, 11:05 pm
Johannes de Silentio said:
354. Warren
“Western policy on Syria is failing on a monumental scale”
No. Syria is failing on a monumental scale, Warren. If the West continues to do nothing, what happens? Syria continues to burn. How does that affect the USA and the EU? It doesn’t.
October 21st, 2012, 11:18 pm
zoo said:
Maybe its is time to send the weapons back to where they came from.
Jordan says its foils al-Qaida-linked terror plot
http://news.yahoo.com/jordan-says-foils-al-qaida-linked-terror-plot-175220742.html
He said the men had brought in arms from neighboring Syria to use them in the alleged plot. He also said al-Qaida operatives based in Iraq have been assisting the suspects with manufacturing home-made explosives.
October 21st, 2012, 11:18 pm
zoo said:
Libya: NATO, Navy Pillay please help !
Fighting flares for 5th day in Libyan town
http://news.yahoo.com/fighting-flares-5th-day-libyan-town-153234447.html
Militias, many from Misrata and aligned with the Defence Ministry, have been shelling the hilltop town of 70,000 people for several days. State news agency LANA said on Sunday that 22 people had been killed and 200 wounded in the fighting.
WADI DINAR, Libya (AP) — Pro-government militias battled fighters in a former stronghold of the late Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi on Sunday, the fifth straight day of clashes that have killed at least 30 people.
The fighting in Bani Walid, some 140 kilometers (90 miles) southeast of Tripoli, has overlapped with the anniversary of Gadhafi’s capture and killing on Oct. 20, 2011. A year since his death brought an end to Libya’s civil war, Bani Walid is the most significant city in the country to still resist the nation’s new authorities.
A resident said Sunday by telephone that pro-government militias and fighters in the city were clashing on its outskirts. The resident, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, said there were reports of new casualties, but that the fighting was less intense than a day earlier.
October 21st, 2012, 11:24 pm
zoo said:
Kuwait has all the necessary kits to deal with 50,000 protesters without killing any.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/21/kuwait-politics-protest-idUSL5E8LL2MQ20121021
KUWAIT, Oct 21 (Reuters) – Police in Kuwait used teargas, stun grenades and baton charges on Sunday to disperse tens of thousands of demonstrators protesting against changes to the electoral law which the opposition has called a constitutional coup by the government.
Demonstrators gathered in various parts of the capital, Kuwait City, to march towards the government’s headquarters, but riot police swiftly surrounded some groups and used teargas and stun grenades to disperse them, Reuters witnesses said.
A medical source said at least 29 people had been admitted to hospital, most of them suffering from teargas inhalation or from baton bruises. At least 15 people, including two former MPs and a reporter, were detained. An opposition activist estimated that up to 50,000 people had gathered in different locations.
October 21st, 2012, 11:29 pm
Visitor said:
Dendeshe @351,
Another AAA video about cognitive dissodance.
Wow, and one more thumbs up.
Here’s another one for you and for the skeptics,
October 21st, 2012, 11:39 pm
zoo said:
Why is Turkey so insisting on a buffer zone?
Because of the Turkish law, only foreigners coming from Europe are considered eligible for the status of “refugees”. Syrians are not eligible, therefore not receiving any UNHCR funds and assistance. Because of the growing financial burden, Turkey wants desperately to get rid of them in a “buffer zone” in Syria, so they become IDPs for whom they are no more responsible.
The status of Syrians: “guests” or IDP?
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/the-status-of-syrians-guests-or-idp.aspx?pageID=449&nID=32930&NewsCatID=425
According to sources from the Foreign Ministry, the cost of establishing and running “accommodation facilities” for people fleeing Syria has exceeded $400 million. Probably not only accommodation, food, health and such expenses, but “logistic humanitarian supplies” to the Syrian rebels fighting the Baathist government in Damascus are also included in that figure.
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What is the status of Syrians at Turkish camps? Turkey with a reservation it placed in the convention on refugees is not recognizing refugees coming from the east. Thus, Syrian people at camps here are just “guests” of Turks; none of them has filled “refugee form” and thus recognized as refugee by the UN High Commission on Refugees.
Why Turkey is demanding creation of a buffer zone in Syria? Because while Syrians in Turkey are guests not eligible for international assistance, people gathered there would be “displaced people” eligible for assistance. Got it?
October 21st, 2012, 11:40 pm
zoo said:
A US foreign policy shift?
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-us-foreign-policy-shift.aspx?pageID=449&nID=32927&NewsCatID=406
It seems that the U.S. and the Western world were already alarmed by the rise of Islamists in the aftermath of the so-called Arab Revolutions. I think that such concerns have already had a great impact on policy changes and resulted in the U.S. being more reluctant to get involved in the regime change process in Syria. I think that we will witness a shift in U.S. policies concerning the relations not only with the “extremists” but also with the so-called moderate Islamic forces and regimes in the region, regardless of who wins the election.
October 21st, 2012, 11:45 pm
Syrialover said:
ZOO said #359:
“Kuwait has all the necessary kits to deal with 50,000 protesters without killing any.”
I see. The explanation and excuse now is that Assad didn’t have the “necessary kits” to avoid massacring unarmed protestors and setting Syria on fire.
October 21st, 2012, 11:45 pm
Syrialover said:
To: ALEDENDESHE #351
Copy: WSS
Finish the story. How all those 257 fantasy women (likely male scamsters in Nigeria) you are raving about took your money, did high fives and collapsed over their computer keyboards laughing.
If you can’t critique WSS’s comments with anything less ridiculous and offensive than that, you should stick with those sites created for old-guy sex pests to get mugged in cyberland.
October 22nd, 2012, 12:03 am
zoo said:
287. Tara
Sorry Tara, Jumblatt marmoset’s face gives me the creep.
October 22nd, 2012, 12:07 am
zoo said:
Wasn’t that predictable? Only fools thought the contrary
Syrians fear their war is spreading ‘and it will destroy us and Lebanon too’
Phil Sands
Oct 22, 2012
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrians-fear-their-war-is-spreading-and-it-will-destroy-us-and-lebanon-too
DAMASCUS // Given the extraordinary level of daily violence in Syria, a car bombing in neighbouring Lebanon might well have passed unnoticed.
But Friday’s assassination of Wissam Al Hassan, head of the Lebanese Internal Security Forces, has provoked worried discussion in Damascus, where the fates of the two countries are seen as irrevocably linked.
“It is a clear signal that our war is spreading, it will destroy us and I’m sorry to say it will destroy Lebanon too,” said Abu Anas, a middle -aged man from the besieged Damascus suburb of Spaina.
“It means there is no hope for any of us to avoid the worst, we are all marching toward hell,” he said.
…
Syrian opposition figures dismiss those protestations of innocence, but say it is too early to tell if the bombing will help or hurt Mr Al Assad’s rule.
October 22nd, 2012, 12:12 am
Aldendeshe said:
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October 22nd, 2012, 12:44 am
Syrialover said:
Incidentally ALDENDESHE you sure live dangerously.
I dare you to step outside your front door and market test your sex pest remarks – in a shop, office, restaurant, bus, aircraft, anywhere. The authorities will also then have a look at the contents of your computer and stash of “literature” and your worried, red face could be posted on a sex offenders register.
That’s how it is these days. Don’t believe me? Try it.
October 22nd, 2012, 1:06 am
Aldendeshe said:
I thought they do that for ones having Quran in hand, don’t you Jews still do that.
October 22nd, 2012, 1:19 am
Syrialover said:
ALDENDESHE
Go on, do it.
And no cheating by first getting rid of your computer hard drive and clearing out your videos and magazines in advance.
October 22nd, 2012, 1:22 am
Syrialover said:
A new thread has just started
October 22nd, 2012, 1:38 am
Citizen said:
321, 324, 327,342 :
the right adress is :
We are living at the dawn of the post falseflag era, as no one
michael mazur
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/%E2%80%9Clargest-us-israeli-exercise-history%E2%80%9D-us-troops-israel-three-week-missile-defense-drill
you can contact him directly !
October 22nd, 2012, 3:25 am
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